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Max
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08-12-2000

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
RE: the previews for Sunday's show and the fire challenge. I stepped through the clip in slow-mo on my DVR. First they show the flints sparking, then they cut away a sec, then they show both fires starting to catch. Cerie's has a larger pile of grass and sticks and is smoking a LOT with some obvious embers. Danielle's is a much smaller pile of stuff, but actually has some small flames visible.

In other words, it could go either way. If Cirie's keeps smoking but doesn't ignite, then Danielle's could be built up quickly to burn the string. If Cerie's takes off, it will be high enough very quickly to burn the string.

At least we only have to wait a few days instead of a whole week to find out! :-)

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
I'm glad the finale is so soon, but I need more recording devices in my home!!! I usually record 24 ay 3 on Wgn from 8-10, then tape Grey's Anatomy while I watch Crossing Jordan. I guess I'll have to give up an episode of 24 but I usually always tape Survivor even though I watch it in case I miss something! GAH! I've got to get my son to connect an old VCR we just acquired so I can at least tape one more show! It wouldn't be so bad, but those are season finales, too! Geeeze..and I remember when I hardly watched TV at all. Hmmmmm...has TVCH made me a bigger couch potato? LMAO! I hate being left out of discussions, doncha know!!

I thought Courtney was totally obnoxious at Tribal Council. She reminded me exactly was she was so annoying!

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I have comcast cable, digital, with on demand. on demand will let you watch all the survivor episodes from the current season (and TAR eps.) for $.99 per episode. After you buy, you have 24 hours to watch, just like when you buy a movie rental through On Demand. It is a great option for those who have it and don't have enough space on their dvrs (the HD programs take up a lot of room) or don't have enough recording devices.

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 12:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
All Terry was asking is that she just not drop a large stick wherever she wants. They all walk in a line back to the camp and just dropping your stick in the dark could be dangerous for the folks behind you. Terry just asked her to be more aware of the surroundings and all Cerie had to say was, Sorry....she didn't need to get all defensive. That's the way all of them have acted towards Terry - until the Aras / Terry make up chat. Terry can never say anything right or act right to please them and I think he has finally gotten to the point that it doesn't matter to him. Is he going to lose votes based on that conversation...heck no. Aras, Cerie, Danielle will all vote for each other against Terry in a final and he knows it. Terry is the clear winner. He has been put in a hostile situation with no one to cover his back.

GO TERRY!

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Happymom, thanks for that info. I have Comcast and I've only recently been using On Demand to watch old movies. I have not become familiar with everything else it offers.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Watching, same here! I usually tape Housewives+Grey's on one, Low & Order+Jordan on the other since I have to work till 10:00 pm on Sundays. Other weeks I might get out earlier but this week is the last week for the college also! I'm going to count on finding nbc programs on re-run later.

Hey I'm glad some more of non-Terry-lovers came out of the wood works. I don't think any one would hate Terry, just don't love him that much either. All of these four are worthy players. Aras has been as big a target as Terry. Cirei herself thought she'd just last for 6-7 days.(JP said this morning they casted Cirie to show us how different types of people could go on the show, too, but never expected her to last so long!)
Danielle was targeted by all the guys, even Cerei and Courtney consider her a bigger threat in challenges.
They all deserve to be there, and I'll be happy to see any of them winning those big bucks. I'm just not ready to call him St. Terry.
Sure his plans falling through would be intense for him. But what do you call that tie rope act Aras being doing? The fact that C+D are still there is amazing enough. We've all being shown of C's "plan-cooking". But the fact that D hasn't being "shown" that much does not mean she didn't do any of that. I feel bad for D that people discount her just because she's not as strong as Terry or Aras. Although I kinda figure that, there must be a reason that Bruce will think highly of her.

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 1:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
Chy, I agree...they really have not shown much of Danielle. She was the key swing vote at one time and the only negective I can remember is that her tribe thought she was lazy. Courtney is upset because when she thought Diane was going, Diane outwitted her (thanks in part to Cerie). We really don't know how much that was masterminded by Cerie or Diane so I give them both credit. Where Cerie excels is that she is able to backstab someone and make the person left out feel okay with the situation. Anyone who can calm down Shane is probably someone special.

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
Not sure why I kept typing Diane instead of Danielle. I like the idea of using C's and D's.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I was wondering who the heck Diane was...I was having a Big Brother flashback!

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
Chy, I don't hate Terry either, but I just wanted him to lose an immunity challenge.
Just to bring him down a little.

Courtney looked ugly with the faces. Even makeup can't fix up her up. I guess it is her continuing need to be in the spot light. The edit folks like that sort of thing...makes for better TV.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 4:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
When Terry first asked who dropped their stick, nobody answered and I think probably because as far as Cirie knows, others might have dropped theirs too. Plus, she looked kind of scared in the pitch dark. Terry was rude first about it and still I don't think Cirie was rude. I'm sure Terry isn't a bad guy but he sure acts like he is superior. He rubs people the wrong way, on purpose? I don't know.
Cirie has been very respectful to all of them.
Usually, the loner(in this case, Terry) has the backing of most of us here but not this time and for good reason.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 4:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Also, I don't think it's backstabbing when you vote one of your tribe out because you can't vote anybody on the other tribe out. If Cirie would have voted Danielle out or Aras, would people still call her a backstabber?

Chy
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07-19-2003

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 4:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Dfng and Sally, I hear you!
It is my view as well that Cirie also deserves "credit" for kicking out Courtney and Shane. Don't understand why all the "hate" towards Danielle from those two. ??? Yeah, it almost looked as if Shane and Courtney were competing for camera time showing disdain.

Denecee, I did not actually do the research, but I'm not sure "Terry do not have the backing of people on this board". I thought I was the loner trying to give some cheers for the other three. Check in previous pages and you'll see many "GO TERRY" or "Go Cerei". I have not seen any "Go Aras" or "Go Danielle". I think many around here think Terry deserves to win and Aras was the rude one. No one spelled it out, but they may sorta agree with Courtney that Danielle 'sold her out'.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 5:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
While I know the chances are not good for him, I am backing Terry until the very end.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 8:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Same here.. I'd love to have Terry and Cirie in the final two.

As for this being the first time someone has questioned anything in a challenge? I believe Sue Hawk came so unglued in all stars that she quit right then AND sued. And there have been other lawsuits as well. I'd say that is way more of a reaction.

(I think there have been others as well, but I'm too lazy to look 'em up).

And Jeff agrees with several of us that Terry would have been CRAZY to give up that little exile island immunity idol. He also pointed out that Cirie said it awhile back that if Terry gave up that idol it would be the stupidest move in Survivor history.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
Courtney is more upset with Danielle than with Cirie because first, she had an alliance with Danielle, Shane and Aras, and then she, Danielle and Terry had an agreement to go to final three. I don't think Courtney ever had an alliance with Cirie other than Casaya sticking together to vote out La Mina.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
There was never a time that Terry could have given his teammates the immunity idol to have the upper hand in numbers once the merge happened. They always needed two to turn. They were never able to get two.

If he had given up his idol, he had no protection. He had no way of knowing he was going to win all those challenges.

And even if he had been able to turn two of them and had the numbers what was to prevent his own tribe from voting him out as the biggest threat. After all he voted out Dan and he was his best friend on the tribe. No, Terry would have been a fool to give it away and if he had, he would probably already be gone.

I also would not have trusted Danielle. He made a pact with her once and she went back on it. What would make him think he could trust her?

Before the vote he could not be sure that Aras and Danielle were not playing Cirie for a fool. He might suspect, but he could not be sure.

And if he had given her the idol, Danielle could have gone to Cirie and told her that she would vote with her to oust Terry if she would promise to take her to the final two if she won, would Cirie have turned her down knowing that otherwise Danielle would vote with Terry and she would end in a tie between her and Terry. Would she have agreed to betray Aras for a sure spot in the final three? Probably not, but could Terry be sure of that?

Terry worked too hard to give up the idol on the off chance Danielle would stick to her word. As viewers we can be pretty sure she would have, because we know Cirie and Aras did have a solid alliance and Danielle was the odd one out. But Terry could not be sure of that.

And even if she had voted with him, and they ousted Cirie, how could he be sure she would keep her word and stick with Terry to the final two? She might have gone with Aras thinking her team would vote against her if she took Terry.

The only way he could be sure he would be safe into the final three was to hang onto the idol.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I certainly do not think Terry is a saint by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think he has had a hard time the last few weeks. How would you like to be put into a situation where everyone wants you gone and treats you like you are an intruder who has no right to be there because your teammates are gone?

There has been a smugness and arrogance about Aras and Cirie the last couple of weeks that has been rather unattractive.

Yes, he was short with Cirie and even though he was correct that she should not have left the torch where it could trip someone, he should have been more polite and probably would have made more of an impact if he had just quietly picked the torch up and placed it out of the way. He really had no right to treat her like she was a child.

But Aras' remark was uncalled for. As he admitted himself, Terry has never made any disparaging remarks about women. That is the kind of remark that can be damaging to a person's reputation because some people will believe it. Terry was rude but Aras went way over the line and owed Terry an apology. My respect for him went up when he acknowledged it.

It is obvious they resent Terry because he has upset their plans and forced him to vote out their teammates. They have treated him as a pariah. As someone said, nothing he can say or do is acceptable to them now. And calling him out on every little thing sort of makes it OK to be ugly to him.

I saw that happen at my school one time. A teacher did something that was a little out of line but not really all that bad. But a lot of people got down on her and everything she said or did was blown way out of proportion. The atmosphere got really tense and those of us who tried to defend her were ignored. She finally resigned and moved away and it was over something really insignificant. It took me a long time to regain respect for some of those people involved. I guess ever since then, I am very sensitive to people being treated like that. It just makes my blood boil.

I really like Cirie and I could be happy for any of the four to win, even Danielle. I have always said anyone who makes it to the end deserves to win because they got there how ever they did. We tend to respect some stategies more that others, but people have to use what they have. Circie certainlly could not have used Terry's methods to stay in the game.

But that does not keep me from having my favorite. And that is Terry. I have to admire him for overcoming tremendous odds to still be there. Yes, Aras has been in danger, and even though he has tried very hard to win, he only did so this week. The reason he has not gone, up to now, is basically because of Cirie orchastrating the votes. But Terry has kept himself in the game through sheer determination and mental toughness.

Tater
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03-19-2003

Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tater a private message Print Post    
You can make a decent case for any of the four to win IMHO.

Terry, for his dominance in the challenges. His people skills or seemingly lack thereof, leave a lot to be desired. But I respect the fact that in the face of defeat, he won’t quit.

Danielle, for knowing when to switch votes to get ahead. From what has been shown, that seems to be her only skill.

Cirie, for her manipulation tactics. She has the OutWit part down pat.

Aras, looked strong and thought he would be able to win more challenges. He has listened to Ciries logic and can now say that it was she that pushed the buttons not him. He then appears clean of the backstabbing.

Yes, Ciries my favorite, alas, we will have to wait till Sunday night to learn her fate. She seems as if she could be a member of this board. I am glad that she has realized her potential in life.


Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
Tater, I come from a family with some poor losers. It isn't that Terry won't give up, he can't take losing. He's a good winner though.
That type plays Monopoly like it is real money. Go for blood on all games. It makes them sick to lose. Not fun for the rest of us.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 12:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
Allietex, I agree with everything you said. And from listening to what Austin, Sally, Bruce, Courtney and Shane have said about Terry on Survivor Live, I think it's the editing that make people believe Terry is more arrogant than he really is.

Tater
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03-19-2003

Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tater a private message Print Post    
Actually Sally I like your observation of Terry better than mine! LOL!

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 1:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Thanks Merrysea. I just think labels can be so easily attached to people. Terry has been labeled arrogant, so everything he says or does is examined minutely for arrogance. Just as Shane was labeled weird, so everything he said or did was viewed through that lens.

Sometimes labels are deserved. Sometimes they are not.

I guess the thing that bothers me about Terry's so called arrogance is that I have actually seen very little evidence of it. What we actually have is the other people SAYING he was arrogant. But was he or was it just their perception of him. I think a lot of it also has to do with his age.

For example Shane used to ride several of the girls about them not doing anything around the camp. Their reaction to him was that he was a jerk.

If Terry did the same thing they would label him as arrogant. Just the difference in perspective toward people of differing ages. Like the difference between your reaction to your brother and your father.

But we have actually seem the arrogance and smugness of Aras and Cirie as they have orchastrated the last few votes.

Don't get me wrong. I still like Cirie and could be happy for her if she wins, just as I could with Terry or Aras or Danielle. And to some extent she deserved to be a little smug. She has controlled that tribe for several weeks now and they did not even realize it.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
So just because Terry won't give up, that means he can't stand to lose.

For heaven's sake the man is playing for a million dollars. He is a strong competitor who is strong physically and mentally. Think what winning that money would mean for his family.

Isn't this characterization based on his actually winning all those challenges and almost winning the others. And on the reaction of the others to him?

And asking one time for clarification of the rules of the challenge? Does that mean he has some kind of sick complusion to win? Isn't that just a bit harsh based on the sketchy evidence we have?

Misspoufy
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09-30-2004

Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 2:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Misspoufy a private message Print Post    
Sometimes I wonder if everybody is watching the same show because of perceptions. The way we see people is so different from the person sitting next to us.

I don't see Terry as arrogant at all. Nor do I think he's a poor loser. He didn't utter a peep when he lost the immunity challenge. I honestly feel he thought Aras was cheating and stopped to confirm the rules. Of course that stopping caused him to lose the reward challenge, but that's not being a poor loser.

As for him being arrogant...I think he's perceived that way because he has no interaction with the others. That's not by his choice. When he was in LaMina he interacted well and no one thought he was arrogant then. You try being in a roomful of people who do not want you there and spend every moment making you feel unwanted, unneeded, and doing everything they can to kick you out the door and see how you respond. I think Terry has responded with grace and humor.

On the other hand, the Casaya tribe has gloated and grinned from moment one of the merge that they had the game won. Aras was so sure he could beat Terry, just by age alone. That's arrogance. Kudos to Terry for proving otherwise. Arrogance is standing right in the middle of camp and openly discussing, right in front of the remainder of LaMina, who was going that week and doing it loudly enough that everyone knew all about it. Arrogance is the first three chopping Terry's ropes right off the bat and then using every opportunity to say how awful he was through their votes.

So do I like Cirie, Aras, Danielle, Shane and Courtney. No, not a bit. I don't think Terry has a chance to win it, that group will stay loyal to the bitter end. The ONLY way he'd have a chance is if he's up against Danielle. I do believe Courtney and Shane would vote Terry...but I've been surprised at people's votes before. In this game, nothing is a sure thing.