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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Friday, March 10, 2006 - 8:45 am
Terry better hope the merge happens before the tribe gets small enough to vote him off, because Austin and Nick are tight and will see Terry as a major threat after the merge. Terry has to know this so I think the only reason he was willing to vote Dan out was because he has the Idol. He probaby believes they will merge before he would face two elimination votes. Of course now Austin and Nick are not going to trust him because they saw him break his alliance while they stayed true to theirs. They will figure if he broke his word to Dan, he will do the same to one of them if the occasion arises. He might just have caused himself a lot of problems by going against Dan. A tie might have been better.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, March 10, 2006 - 9:20 am
I just wish Dan had pushed the issue and tried to make Terry stick to his word. The "fair" thing to do would be to go to 2v2 and then take your chances. Terry had the ace in the hole anyways. Boo on Terry.
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Mak1
Member
08-12-2002
| Friday, March 10, 2006 - 9:50 am
On The Early Show today, Dan said he was disappointed in Terry's vote. He said when Terry decided to vote off Ruth Marie (is that right?), he realized Dan was not playing with good strategy. Dan also said he lost 32 pounds in 15 days. Yikes!
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Babyruth
Member
07-19-2001
| Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:00 am
Mak, did you mean to say, "he (Dan) realized Terry was not playing with good strategy"? Or he (Terry) realized Dan was not...? Anything else you wanna share about the Early Show? I missed it. 
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:16 am
Dan said Terry wasn't playing with good strategy. I have to say I was very impressed with Dan on the Early Show. He was very upbeat and positive about the experience, no whining, quite the centered and impressive guy. He talked glowingly of how much he loved it on Panama, how beautiful it was, and what a great experience it was. It was very refreshing!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:18 am
I wasn't a fan of Dan (the astronaut card kinda bugged me; seemed like he was bragging). But it was a stoopid decision to fall on his sword and not fight to stay. Terry is gonna end up using his II sooner rather than later, and he just sent one of his allies home.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Friday, March 10, 2006 - 12:13 pm
If it was me I would be getting sick and tired of Terry appointing himself manager of my group. It was a management decision???? At this point I can see them keeping Shane because everyone hates him. Who better to be with in final two than with Shane.
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Heyltslori
Moderator
09-15-2001
| Friday, March 10, 2006 - 12:48 pm
I cringed, Maris, when Terry said that "management decision" thing. So many times they say things in tribal council and I'm thinking they have no idea how that sounds! I was glad that Terry told Dan that they had decided to vote him out rather than having him be surprised.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:02 pm
I think Terry made a mistake voting Dan out. There is a strong chance of a merge before the next vote in which case they wouldn't need a strong, physical competitor any more. After a merge, Dan would not be one of the first targets so Terry would have an alliance member who could go deep into the game. Also, Nick and Austin might choose to go with Aras, and though Bruce might go with the original "old men" tribe, the same cannot be said of Shane.
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Mak1
Member
08-12-2002
| Friday, March 10, 2006 - 2:08 pm
Yes, BR, what Karuuna said. Sorry for the mistake earlier. Dan also laughed at his inability to solve the puzzle. He said he normally is very good at puzzle solving. When asked why he would want the challenge of being on Survivor, after the thrills and challenges he has had already in his career, he answered that in a shuttle mission there is a whole group of people guaranteeing your success, whereas this would be an individual challenge. I was impressed with his upbeat and positive take on the whole experience, also.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, March 10, 2006 - 8:15 pm
I liked Dan very much on the early show. So far, Terry's strategy has kept him there at least two episodes longer (being he has the immunity idol) I think he's stronger with Nick and Austin since they had a FOUR MAN alliance and Terry went with the majority. I'm just sorry that Sally was let off the hook (twice).
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 12:35 am
yeah, sometimes the biggest 'prize' in winning the reward challenge is picking who goes to exile island! in this case, casaya left only the four males to battle it out. pretty smart on casaya's part! i agree about sally being let off the hook twice. i wonder if they lose the challenge next week if casaya would send sally again. they should choose terry and maybe the other 3 would band together and get rid of him. i really like terry but i don't like what he did to dan and to his earlier alliance with ruth marie. he changes things up to fit whatever is best for him. smart, in that the others are still looking to him as a leader, but he won't gain a lot of votes if he makes it to final 2 and has broken every alliance he ever made!
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 10:03 am
Tabby, I was thinking the same thing about Terry and final votes. But, RM and Dan can't even make jury! If he makes it to the final two, who knows what'd happen with those other members of the Cookie tribe! Initially, I thought Terry should stick with Dan no matter what. But now that I've read some other opinion, well... It could be true that he had a four-men alliance and think that he needed to go with the majority. We can't blame him if he intended to keep the "ii" for his own skin. Terry is thinking down the road. They were going to vote off Sally($#!@@#) until the game changed that for them. They don't have a clue when the merge may come and just really thinking about preserving stronger members to avoid going to TC again. Personally, I would have used the power of "ii"--however the scenario would, the "ii" would've switched the outcome the Fly-boys way. But, does Terry know that the "ii" this season, is good for multiple uses? I just figured it out from an old interview JP did before the show started....
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 1:36 pm
Anyway, doesn't the <55> know that the term is "executive decision" not managerial decision? Sheesh. It was stupid to vote off Dan. They don't have the numbers to make it through the merge as the larger tribe and the two younger, stronger guys are threats for immunity. Terry could always count on beating Dan in a challenge.
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 2:35 pm
quote:But, does Terry know that the "ii" this season, is good for multiple uses? I just figured it out from an old interview JP did before the show started....
What do you mean? It is my understanding that once it has been used that's it, it doesn't go back to exile island to be rehidden. But that the holder can use it any time they need to up until final four if they make it there. I think Terry made the only decision he felt he could. If he had of told the guys he couldn't vote Dan out they might have voted for him, forcing the tie, his possible loss and having to use his immunity idol. I'm not sure the other two would have thought that far ahead, but they may have thought what the hay, either way one of us is going to either win/lose at the tie and if we win there is a 50/50 chance he has the "ii" and he'll be forced to use it. Or quite possibly if Terry had of stuck to his guns he could have persuaded Nick or Austin to bounce in a bid to save their own skin. I don't think they ever know what will happen at a tie, or are they briefed about this before hand? But if I were the two younguns I'd get rid of him pdq in one sense as he has now turned on two people, but on the other hand they need the numbers, and let's face it Nick and Austin don't come off as too bright.
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Cruzlvr
Member
11-13-2003
| Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 2:54 pm
My understanding on the II from Exile Island is that once it has been found and the person uses it, it goes back to the island and gets re-hidden. Then the next person who finds it can use it. That is what was meant by it can be used "multiple times". The person who has it (right now Terry) can use it up to and through final four if he doesn't have to use it before that time. In other words if Terry never gets voted out he won't need to use it. If it gets down to F4 and he gets voted out at that time, he can use. However, if it is F3 the II idol can no longer be used. 
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 10:07 pm
Jasper, it's true. Cruzlvr explained it very well there. The mini "ii" could have been used again and again this season. (That was sited by JP as one of the "differences" between this and the last season.) Theoretically anyway, assuming one of them would find it again each time it's used and re-hidden again.
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Sallycat22
Member
08-31-2005
| Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 6:41 am
What if Terry hangs on to it until the final two? Is then able to just declare himself the winner?
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Cruzlvr
Member
11-13-2003
| Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 6:54 am
Sally, No the II can only be used up to and including F4. If Terry has not used it by then, the II becomes useless.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 9:59 am
I wonder if Terry could use it to save another outcast? Suppose Terry still gets to "manage" the tribe and wins all the real ICs after merge, he will never need to present that mini "ii" to save his behind.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 10:17 am
Well if Terry were to win individual immunity, then he could transfer the individual immunity to an ally, knowing that if the tribe voted for him (Terry) instead, he would be protected with the Exile Island one.
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Lancecrossfire
Animoderator
07-13-2000
| Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 2:40 pm
An ally-you mean like Dan was? LOL
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 4:11 pm
Thanks for the info. I thought it was a one-off and once someone used it that was that. I would hope if Terry makes it to the final four without have to pull the II and he has individual immunity as well that he would transfer the ind. imm. to an ally at that time knowing he has the II to fall back on, good deal making leverage as well.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Monday, March 13, 2006 - 7:50 pm
i did remember that in early interviews jeff said it could be used multiple times, but then when the show started, i swear he said it could be found/used once. it sure puts a different spin on things if it can be found and used again. but terry could well be the one to find it again. depends on who the losing team picks to go to exile island. and once they merge, i wonder how the exilee will be picked or if they'll quit with exile island.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, March 13, 2006 - 9:12 pm
I still swear he said it could be used once. Mebbe Mr. Jeff misspoke during the pre-show stuff? Since he's not mentioned it during the actual TV show?
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 2:00 pm
I'm fairly certain Jeff said it could be reused til FF.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 2:59 pm
i only remember hearing him say that pre-game. but the show had already been completed by then, so he must have known how it worked...you'd think, anyway! but during the show, i swear he said it could be used only one time. not sure where to look this up at this point...
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 2:59 pm
I guess I understood it that way too, Rupertbear. That is why I am so confused. If someone else has found it and not used it (ie. Terry) then how could it be reused? If I were sent to Exile Island, read the clues and started looking and actually looked in the right place, would there be another idol there? Or, would I have to figure out that someone else had it and I had just gone looking for nothing?!!?
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 3:01 pm
here is what i found pre-game. i'll go see if i see anything different about what he said DURING the game's airing... Exile Island's immunity idol can be used repeatedly, won't be played until after votes are cast Talking about Thursday’s debut of Survivor Panama, Jeff Probst revealed that the immunity idol hidden on Exile Island—the remote location where one person will be sent, alone, every few days—may come into play more than once. That’s because, after it’s used, it will be hidden on the island once again. Further, and more significantly, “the possessor puts the idol into play after the ballots have already been cast,” Jam! Showbiz reports. That means that if the person who has the most votes cast against them has the idol, the person with the second-fewest amount of votes will go home instead.
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