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Knightpatti
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12-06-2001

Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Knightpatti a private message Print Post    
Spoiler
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Cirie's fire was larger than Danielle's. I hope that all the spoilers are wrong. I hate knowing from the beginning what the spoilers are, but I will always look! Maybe MB gave false information out there to hide that Cirie actually is the winner!

I disagree with the person that Cirie does not deserve to win. SHe has been playing this game from the beginning, since she was threatened to leave from the beginning. SHe rocks!

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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 8:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I would be very happy to see Cirie win Survivor. There are different routes and strategies that people use to win and I think that Cirie's strategy has been very effective. Some people win because they get lucky but if Cirie wins it will be because she has played a very good game.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 8:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Oookay! I just checked some other boards. I may be the only one here but I'm not crazy for looking at Terry that way. Many posters on other places caught those sentiments.

Once again, I'm not against any one of these four(I have no choice but saying that: four). Any one of them deserves it if they made it to the F2 and manage to have enough votes for the cool mill.

But imho Terry is not such an underdog as some here think. I think Aras was a true underdog. He coulda been gone after any previous TC. That might be why Aras, not Shane, was the only one who has given his best in each and every challenge. -- It's unfortunate he was up against the "Capt. America", but he gave it his all never the less.

There was always the worry that, Terry could have past on the "ii" to his "ally"(Too bad that word do not exist in Terry's dictionary. He doesn't need any one.). In any given TC, Aras could have been gone with the wind if ii was used in this strategy.
The girls had wanted to see Terry take Aras out for them. Shane has a plan to take Aras out, or a F2 plan not including Aras. Courtney had a plan to get rid of Aras w/o getting her hands dirty... You name it, some one had a plan to rid Aras whenever it's convenient. (Okay, I know that could be said about D as well...)

Anyways, Terry has played this whole game with a strong arm and a cautious heart. If he can make the F2 and swing votes for himself, he definitely deserves the big money. I just want to see something different for fun. I wish he had made tougher choices like keeping Dan(even though I did not care for Dan). I wish he had used the ii to save his team, keep the numbers and inject more possibilities..... If this game was so easy for him like wild fire going through dry woods, then tptb did not pick any worthwhile opponents for this season.

Jooleechenlvr
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04-21-2004

Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 8:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jooleechenlvr a private message Print Post    
How has Cirie played a good game? She won reward challenge because Aras threw it. Other than that she just stayed out of the way and let others argue with each other. She is like driftwood in the BigBrother house. The ones that fly under the radar and before you know it are in the finals. Those are the kind you need to get rid of first. I remember Shane and Aras telling Melinda and Cirie they were the next 2 to go and now Aras and Cirie are bosom buddies. All of them should try to take Terry to the finals because the votes more than likely would be against him...

Chy
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07-19-2003

Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 9:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Not so sure about the votes against Terry at F2.
We know Terry will get Austin's vote. Bruce likes Terry. Respect is a better word, but Bruce might give Terry a vote. Shane still has the fresh memory of "special time w/Boston" and being screwed by his Casaya tribe. Courtney hates Danielle, might not like Aras either. Cirie won't .... wait, there are too many combinations at this point, I'll let Math geeks do the logic. I'm bad with that.

But it most likely won't look good if you took Terry to F2 given the choice between him or another Casaya.....

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 9:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
I had to replay the preview a couple of times to make sure that they weren't showing Danielle in one of the final three challenges. They showed her doing tonight's immunity challenge, bringing back her second bag of puzzle pieces. Terry and Aras were shown climbing a wall that I believe is new, so that's probably part of the final three challenge. Clips of Cerie were of previous times, too.

I agree that it looks as though Cerie's fire was bigger. I'm hoping that's true and not a blind alley they're leading us down because I'd rather see her in the final three than Danielle.

Cerie's game has been manipulation through mental plays. When they had the challenge where everyone said Shane thought he was in charge but really wasn't the opposite question would have been who IS in charge and others don't realize it and the answer would have been Cerie. She's maneuvered a lot of them to do her bidding. She may not be great at the Out Play portion, but she's got Out Wit down pretty pat.

Danielle, on the other hand, has mostly just sat around doing nothing and thinking she was contributing and playing the game.

If it's Terry, Aras, and Cerie in the final three, I'll be happy with whoever wins. They've all played well in their own ways.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
I'd like to suggest that no one voted for Terry because Danielle told them Terry didn't give her the idol before TC. If he had given her the idol, I'm betting she would have told them and there would have been 3 votes for Terry.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 11:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Max - well said. All 3 (Aras, Cerie, Terry) have played a great game. I agree about Aras being the only person who TRIED in the challenges. Others would drop out so easily for food. Only when people got a whiff that they'd be on the chopping block, would you see them make an effort (except Shane).

In any case, The best F2 would be Aras/Terry if you take challenges into account.

If manipulation and suspenseful jury portion is what you're into, an ideal F2 would pit Cerie against Aras. Both were puppetmasters, both stabbed their Casaya members in the back, and we really have never had any clue who the other Casaya people like better out of the two. If Aras is in the F2, I could see Terry voting for him, because he was the most challenging opponent for Terry.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 1:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Courtney sure seems to have it in for Danielle. Somehow I'm not surprised that she is acting bitter...

I'm with Lance! As soon as I thought, dang! he should have given Danielle the idol, then I realized she would have run back and zapped him. He really couldn't take that chance.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 3:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
it sure looked in the previews for next week that Cirie is out. I hope that isn't the case.

I was thinking as I watched, why do a two parter when they give away in the previews who is leaving.

I hope I'm wrong

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 5:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
My impression of Terry last night was that he is like a spoilt little brat. He looked like a 7 year old in that challenge asking Jeff for clarification. Sore loser.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 5:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I agree with you Maris. I don't think I have ever seen a survivor complain about the rules before.

I have a question, as my dang tape cut out about 3 minutes early. Can someone rewind and tell me about the fires (Cirie's and Danielle's.) in the previews. To me, when i saw it, it looked like C had a huge fire and D did not. Is that right or was it just hopeful thinking?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 5:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
It appeared that Cirie had a big fire and Danielle did not.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 6:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
Yea Maris. I agree about Terry. If Cirie makes it to the final 3 she better make a deal before the endurance challenge to be taken becuase I doubt if she could win it.

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 6:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
from what i understand (and i may be wrong) that was a magnesium flare-up, jimmer. short lived.

Yoda
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08-11-2005

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 6:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yoda a private message Print Post    
I thought Terry was pretty imature for someone who's always telling us how old he is (and we all know maturity and age don't always go hand in hand). I was pulling for him until last night.

I like Cirie's game because it says: Outwit, Outlast, Outplay and I think she's done that. It doesn't say dominate the challenges and then expect everyone to hand you the win. Richard Hatch certainly didn't dominate the challenges but he controlled the game and that's what Cirie has done.

I also like Aras because he has played hard and with Terry winning all the II Aras has had the target on his back.

Any way you look at it I think it should prove to be an interesting final...can't wait to hear what Courtney has to say.

Marej
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09-20-2002

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 6:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marej a private message Print Post    
I hope D is in the final 2, only for what Courtney will say to her. I want a C / T final 2 and hopefully C will win.

Sheilaree
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07-19-2002

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 7:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sheilaree a private message Print Post    
I hope it the final two are Ciere and Aras, I don't think CIERE even saw Terry where she through her stick. Aras did right on bringing Cire on the reward because she brought him. Ara's did say he was sorry to Terry about that remark. Any word on where the next Survivor is going to be?

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 8:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Just because we have never seen someone ask for clarification of the rules doesn't mean it hasn't happened. As for Terry being immature, I'm 47 and I have no problem admitting that I've had moments that may not have been real mature. But I was more shocked at Aras than Terry wondering where he was getting his comments from.

Over the last couple of weeks, the editing has really played up on the competition between Aras and Terry which led to last night's showdown which led to showing the two men working out their differences.

In other words, the producers realized this made for a good episode.

Courtney's feelings could not have been any clearer unless she had shouted them out.

Hypermom
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08-13-2001

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 8:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
If I was in Terry's spot, I'd be a little cranky too! Knowing since the merge, that if he screws up one time, he'd be gone. Knowing that the others don't want you there and voice it all the time. Being the outsider all the time. Trying to get someone to be in an alliance with you, with no luck. I probably would have walked by now. lol

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 8:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
I'm willing to cut Terry some slack regarding his behavior. He has a right to "crack" a little bit too, doesn't he? He's only human and I'm sure the stress is finally getting to him. It doesn't surprise me that his composure might slip a bit and he'd be unreasonable.

I did like that he confronted Aras and asked for an apology. He just seems like a man who is very confident in himself.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Great show last night! I am not surprised that Terry lost composure either, I understand how difficult it must be for him to be stuck there with people who are against him and not always very friendly etc. However, two of those people will be on the jury. I don't think Terry thinks about this. He should just keep his mouth closed for a few more days. I know that is hard, but to win the million, he needs to be nicer, not overbearing, more easy going and just put up with whatever he doesn't like. This is a game, not life. He would have a much better chance of winning the $1 million if he makes it to the final two if he wouldn't boss them, point out stuff etc.

I thought it was great that Terry point blank told Aras he needed an apology and I thought it was great that Aras gave him one.

I think in real life they are both probably really great considerate people.

Courtney was really annoying at TC.

I watched in slow motion the scenes from next week. Only Aras and Terry are shown on the wall. The sand at the bottom has sand colored pixels moving around to block whichever girl is left to do that challenge. CBS inserted footage of Danielle from last night's challenge running with a bag of puzzle pieces, like Max posted above. I don't remember seeing Cerie in the previews for next week, doesn't mean they didn't insert previous footage of her though. I was just so focused on Danielle because watching it the first time, it look so much like the two guys and Danielle in the final challenge.

Looks like that final challenge is not the stand forever type of final challenge we've see in the past. If it is how the previews show, Cerie doesn't stand a chance of winning the F3 challenge (if she wins the fire F4 tiebreaker).

I loved how intently Bruce seemed to listen to the F4 at TC.

They all must know about Terry's Yukon. I sure wish they would have shown us footage about that.

I think 3 hours of survivor is a great mother's day gift! I'm so glad we don't have to wait a week!

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
I suspect they showed us the part about Terry questioning the rules for some reason. Just like they showed Cirie making a fire for Aras. There usually seems to be a reason for some of what they show. Maybe this becomes a source of questions in the final 4.
If a Casaya member wins the final immunity, wouldn't you think to take Terry to the final 2 instead of anyone else. That way, you would not be splitting the vote among your own team.

Vickie
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07-16-2004

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vickie a private message Print Post    
I'm sorry but I did think Terry was a big baby on the game. He did make the people feel bad in "not" winning the games. Terry does (did) feel more superior than his team mates. He did win all the other games so why not feel that way. Cirie did have a right to tell Terry to talk to them the way he would talk to an adult because of the way he was talking to them. Terry lost two games in a row on important games. He was only going to give Danielle the ii if he won the ic. He wasn't into taking any chances on others. He could of shook this whole game if he played like cirie did in the chance taking. Think back on how many people were thrown from the game when they pointed out the things Cirie did to change the votes. I agree with some of you on that Cirie, Aras, & Terry should be final three. Cirie saved Danielle from the block and that is the only reason she made it this far. Not from any game playing of any sort.

All I got to say is Great Game Cirie!!!!!!!!

If she is out this time I still say like I did at the beginning yeah Cirie!

Side message: Jeff P said this is the final time the ii could of been used. They never show them taking it from Terry though. I guess he gets to keep it????

Yoda
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08-11-2005

Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yoda a private message Print Post    
The thing that bothers me about Terry is not so much his thing with Aras (two male egos clashing ala Bobby John and Jamie last season) but how he treated Cirie I thought was out of line. She's not a child and unless she threw her torch at him she didn't do anything wrong.

I'm glad when confronted Aras apologized but I wish Terry would have apologized for getting physical at the challange. I realize Aras was trying to get the girls to help him by blocking Terry (that's not a new concept to Survivor) but it's a different matter when you physically put your hands on someone like Terry did.

I also thought Terry wasted valuable time during the challage asking Jeff for clarification because Jeff is quick to call someone out when they do something wrong during a challenge and he wasn't saying anything.

With that being said....I still think Terry has played a good game against the odds but would love to see Cirie win it for all of us couch potatoes that dream about being on Survivor but don't get off the couch!