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Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I think another reason Terry took Shane is because it was in his best interest...he has tried to turn Cirie from her strong alliance and it has never worked -- he probably thought Shane was the one most likely to turn away from the alliance.

Bob2112
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06-12-2002

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Terry needed to turn the question back on Aras and Daniel and ask them what they would have done. Both would probably have sent Terry back without a hug, but they would also have to identify who would only have gotten a hug. That could have deflected the talk away from Terry and possibly stirred things up a bit. It might have given him something to work with later.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 12:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Terry wasn't questioned about his decision so there was no need to "turn" anything. It was his choice to stir things up by trying to explain his decision (and doing a poor job at that).

Hypermom
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08-13-2001

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
Cable, I listened to the show too. After hearing Shane talk so well about Terry, and not well about Aras and Danielle, I'm wondering about the editing of the show.

Cruzlvr
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11-13-2003

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cruzlvr a private message Print Post    
If you never watch the Survivor live you really should at least go see todays with Shane on it when it gets archived. My opnion only, of course, but he has been one of the best on there yet. What a different person than the Shane we have seen on Survivor. He is very articulate and intelligent. For the most part, he didn't have a bad word to say about anyone and (surprised me) really said how much he admired Terry and defended him to Jenna. But best of all (for me ) he didn't take any crap from Jenna and even told her was surprised that she won her season. He also called her out on how she talked about him this season. He said if you are going to talk crap about someone, then don't be nice to them when they come on your show. LOL Apparently he watches and knows Jenna called him creepy and when she stuttered and try to get around it and he didn't let her get away with! (guess you can tell I am not a big fan of Jenna) . Anyway, I think this one is well the worth the watch. It certainly changed my opinion of Shane.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Regardless of whether the question was asked or not, I agree that it would have been an excellent strategy on Terry's part to ask Aras and Danniele what they would have done. It would have taken the pressure off of him and someone would have been upset about their decision.

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willsfan a private message Print Post    
I voted for Bruce to get the Yukon. For me it was the most logical choice, no one else almost died.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 12:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Interesting fact I read at another forum: there is one and only one member left of each of the four original tribes (younger/older, men/women).

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
Of course, we don't really know if Terry was asked to explain his decision. Clearly, we see very little of what actually happens. One thing I miss about the first few Survivor games is being able to see more of what is happening between the contestants. It seems now that almost the entire focus is on the competitions.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think the rationale behind Terry's reward decisions was good. I understand the 3 couples, because as husband and wife, you see each other EVERY DAY, and depend on each other for your day to day survival. The same goes for Shane and his son. They see each other every day, and the son is dependent on Shane still, for his survival. There is a more intense responsibility to each other, in those 3 pairs.

A mother/adult-child relationship is not as intense. I'm not taking away anything from the special bond between mothers and children, but s an adult, how often do you see and talk to your parent? How DEPENDENT are you on them, for your day-to-day life?

Coming to an island and being AWAY from someone who you see DAILY is probably way worse than being away from a parent you don't even live with, and is just your "default" close person.

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As for Terry not taking Cerie and HB to the resort....I can see that. If there was anyone he thought he could maybe "woo" to his side....it would be Shane. As well, I really get the impression that Cerie and Aras are VERY TIGHT, and it would be pointless to spend an evening with Cerie, because of all people left, she ain't breaking her loyalty to Casaya.

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I think I'm going to vote for Bruce, because he wasn't ALLOWED to finish the game.

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
Terry picked Courtney to go to the final two. Out she goes. Next he picked Shane to go to the final two. Out he goes. If we can beleive the previews, he is going to pick Danielle to go to the final two. Will history repeat it's self and send her off?

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
It was Terry's choice for the reward--his reasoning shouldn't matter--they should accept what he chose because he won that right--they lost.

Terry arrogant?? TO me arrogance is saying you are better than you actually are. Terry hasn't done that. He's contributed to camp work as much or more than anyone, even knowing they would boot him out immediately if given the chance. He's been respectful of the game and players.

He has been a competitor--a competitor no one can beat so far. And they are all being pissy about that. I agree with those who feel Terry is being punished by the others for trying to stay in the game.

Don't dish it out if you can't take it!!

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willsfan a private message Print Post    
Is Cerie a mother figure for Aras and that is why she was able to bond with him? If his mother is his rock and Aras thinks mothers should rank higher than wives then I can see why that alliance has stayed strong.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 3:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
This is a game where you have to win jury votes; it's not a sporting event where sore losers just have to sit back and accept the score -- they can get back at you in the next vote or the final vote. So of course, it *does* matter who Terry decides to bring on a reward and there's no rule that says that the other players can't be mad and use it against him. That's what this challenge was designed to do.

At this point, an outsider like Terry really can't use Reward wins to entice people to join him in an alliance. With all his immunity wins, he can afford to sit back and let the players come to him instead of choosing for himself who he wants to form an alliance with. It would have been more useful for him to let someone else win and have the burden of making choices, allowing him to later work on the ones who are left out. If he really, really wanted to win the Reward, he could have made a show of choosing randomly. Or as has been alluded to in this thread, maybe a smarter choice would be to let the others vote amongst themselves.

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 5:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
One of the disappointments in the final voting is how they all mellow out towards each other with a few exceptions.
Terry wants someone up against him who doesn't clearly deserve to win
Courtney...difficult
Shane....difficult
Danielle...semi difficult
Then they say "Oh let's give it to old Terry"

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 9:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
i remember being so disappointed when christie (sp?) voted for jenna to win after she stated she would never vote for 'either of the wicked stepsisters'. people must change their minds somewhere along the way. i still can't believe jenna won over matt! he worked his butt off, single-handedly fed the group with fish and was a strong competitor. jenna lazed around and at some point took her clothes off for peanut butter and chocolate.
jeez, looks like a winner to me...

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 9:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Oh yeah, that just killed me! I really liked Matt! And Jenna was so mean to Christie, I was floored by Christie's decision.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 10:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think that Christie's vote upset and annoyed me more than any other vote in the entire history of the series. I had cheered for her all the way and I commiserated with her (in my mind anyway) over the miserable treatment that she had received from Jenna and the other one (can't remember her name).

As a viewer, I felt betrayed and suckered when she ended up voting for Jenna.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 10:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Heidi. <79>

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 10:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
All the votes have already been tallied. What they saw, did, and said back on the island compared to what they are saying on the interviews now can be completely different - they are being influenced by watching the show. So for all the positives they are saying about Terry - I give that a grain of salt right now. But he still deserves it (he is a true Survivor).

'squeek'

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 5:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
Can't these people hold on to a grudge???

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 8:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
If the F4 end up with a tie vote, no one will be safe at TC. Haven't heard any of them mention that yet. Unless Terry wins the IC, seems like his only hope to be safe is to vote Danielle.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
LOL Sally!!!!

Spear
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08-06-2001

Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 9:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Puuzled, are you talking about the Purple Rock tiebreaker? I don't think that is used at F4 any more (and even then, the one with Immunity was still safe). I think the last time the F4 tiebreaker was mentioned (S9?), it was supposed to be a challenge between the two players with votes.

Here's an old article where Jeff Probst reveals that the use of the Purple Rock tiebreaker in S4 was actually a mistake: link

quote:

The most interesting thing about Marquesas - and what nobody knows - is that we screwed up on the colored-rock tiebreaker that knocked out Paschal. In the event of a Tribal Council tie, Survivors pull rocks out of a bag, and whoever pulls the colored rock is eliminated. The way it's supposed to work is that once the tie is revealed, the people for whom votes have been cast and the person with immunity all become safe; the others have to pull rocks. We didn't realize that process works for all numbers except for four. (With four people left, only one person is eligible to pull a rock since one has immunity and two have received votes.) I realized something was wrong about halfway through as Paschal, Neleh, and Kathy were all pulling their rocks out. Even if I had figured out exactly what was wrong, there would have been no way to correct it because we had already done it. Let me be clear - no rules were violated. It's just not what we meant to happen. And that's the truth.




Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Spear. I didn't realise that they had changed the purple rock thing. That was just so awful.