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Cdbga
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10-04-2004

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 4:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cdbga a private message Print Post    
Is the hidden immunity idol still good at this point? For some reason, I thought it was only good up to the final 4 (but I may be confusing it with last season's hidden idol).

If he makes F2, I think Terry could have a good shot with the jury. ( I agree that the jury vote is hard to predict because you don't know what criteria each jury member will use...sometimes you get a deserving winner...like Tom in Palau...sometimes you get Jenna from The Amazon). Just going from the jury reactions last night, it seems Austin and Sally are still on his side (and in post-boot interviews, they both understood why he didn't give up the immunity idol). Bruce expressed respect for him in the past. Courtney didn't seem to have any love left for her former tribe-mates. And now, Shane's alliance has turned on him. While Aras may be right that Terry isn't great at playing a people game, Terry HAS been able to play an honest one (the fact that nobody has allied with him has meant that he hasn't been put in a position to go back on an alliance). He has stuck with the alliances he's tried to make. He might not have won friends (at least from Casaya...HIS tribemates seemed to like him a lot), but he also didn't make promises to his "friends" then turn on them. I think Terry has played a great game up to this point. No one can deny that he has physically dominated the game, but he's done as well as I think he could strategically. He wasn't successful in finding an alliance, but it wasn't for lack of trying. He just had the misfortune of coming in to the merge on the wrong end of the numbers game. Of course, this could all be for naught, as he still has to get through 2 more votes to make F2.

Cablejockey
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12-27-2001

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 5:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cablejockey a private message Print Post    
ITA Allietex, about the attitude Casaya has towards Terry. That's why I've been hoping he wins. They acted like they are going to win right from the start and while a positive attitude is good, it wandered over to arrogant after awhile, which is bad. I hope Terry keeps ruining their plans.
I hope Shane realized that it was his own alliance who booted him out, while Terry didnt vote for him. But Shane never seemed to be really trying, especially in the IC. He mocked Jeff's speech about the game may be ending for someone tonight, and jumped into the water to splash Jeff who was standing on his little raft--that was funny though.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 5:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Ahh! Thanks for pointing out the error, Tabby :-) I didn't catch it at all. I can't edit it but anyone reading will realize that it's wrong when they get to your post.

As for who Terry showed the idol to, he did show it to Danielle but she has expressed her disbelief that it really was the idol. I have to think she believes it is the idol now since she didn't bother to look for it when she got to Exile Island. Plus, Aras didn't look the last time he went to Exile Island so I think they all believe he has it at this point. I'm surprised that none of them were expressing some worry about what they'd have to do next, with Terry having immunity no matter what.

Riviere: It's possible that Courtney was just trying to hold laughter at the result of the vote. I wasn't sure, just saw her put her head down in her hands. It gets hard for me to keep track of the reactions since they do quick shots of the people :-)


Spear: I'm not sure Terry's being wrong about the votes is a reflection of his social play in the game. Even the people who thought they had strong alliances within the old Casaya tribe have been wrong about those votes. Terry's at a complete disadvantage there because no one on that team will discuss gameplay with him. Each time they have, they have purposely fed him the wrong information or let him believe the wrong information. The only time he's known anything is last week when Courtney was switching to his side and Danielle honestly didn't seem sure what she was doing until she went to TC. She had promised everyone to vote with them and everyone seemed to believe her so I can see why Terry would as well.

I remember back to before the merge and Terry's tribe loved him. They were all bummed any time he got sent to Exile Island. So, I do have to wonder if it's because the Casaya tribe made the decision not to give him a chance that they act like they do about him. It should be interesting to see how he presents his side of the argument to the jury if he gets to F2. If he doesn't change his position a bit, then I'll agree that he's bad at the social aspect of this game. Right now he's given up trying to be friends with this tribe and is just doing what he can to keep them off their game. It's a risky thing to do, jury-wise, but what else can he do? He's pretty much damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 7:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
I was very surprised that Shane did not throw a fit over being voted out and snipe like Judd did last year. Maybe it is true, as someone suggested a while back, that he has just been acting like ass to make the show more interesting.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 7:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Shane was actually quite articulate and calm on the Early Show today. Although he was still a little rough looking and apparently had gone back to smoking.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I think that Cirie deserves the vote for the second Yukon - she has managed to backstab almost every member of her alliance and yet somehow they all still like her! I wonder now that they are watching the show they have figured out that she has single-handedly almost decided every week since Casaya started having to vote out its own who is going....

I hope Terry doesn't slack off on this week's challenge. He would be in a more powerful position if he had control of the regular Immunity and gave the Immunity Idol to someone else...better insurance. Doubt that will happen though.

I have always felt that Shane was playing it up for the cameras. He's an actor - it is what he truly wants to do. Obviously hasn't ever realized that no Survivor-ex has really "made" it in the industry.

I love it that Terry keeps kicking Aras's B*TT in challenges. I know it has to drive Aras absolutely CRAZY!

I thought Terry did a good job of picking people for the reward, although I might have let Cirie and her husband accompany my wife and me back to the resort. Danielle screwed him over so he treated has with contempt - which she richly deserved IMO. Quite honestly I think Terry would have stuck with their deal to final 3 if it was him, Courtney and Danielle and taken the person in the order of their final challenge. To Terry, in his somewhat deluded mind, that would be the right thing to do -- compete against the best at the end.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
I don't mind Terry but I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Aras and I wish he would win something already!

I also hated Terry's comment about Danielle saying it was just her mom I thought it was rude I mean come on a mother is just as important and Aras was right. I'd love to see Cirie win something as well.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 8:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I wonder how Terry's mom felt when he said he's chose his wife over his mom lol. I know I'd want to smack my child for saying that on tv lol.

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 8:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
that's the way it is supposed to be. once a man marries the wife is supposed to come first.

now, i agree with terry sounding disrespectful to danielle and aras. they didn't have spouses so their moms come first.

Jami
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10-08-2003

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jami a private message Print Post    
One thing about Terri, if he makes F2, he can honestly say, "I didn't vote any of you out."

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
So, Shane on the Early Show..

- was surprised

- loves his son but did credit son's mother, "Bird", for letting them play.

- mentioned that for the last 5 days he had built a "summer house" up on a ridge away from the others and would isolate there. No one else was "allowed". And this did make it easier for them to plan, with him physically out of the loop. Sounds like a major bad move on his part to me.

- Smokes three packs a day.

- Has been impressed with Cirie's progress from being an obvious target, to thinking maybe she can win.

- Doesn't look all that different in real life!

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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Hmm.. his hair is actually even "higher" I wonder if the "rooster comb" look is the new "combover"?

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Hmph let my child put me 2nd and we'll see how it's the way it's supposed to be. :-)

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I don't understand about the 2nd Yukon. Will one of them get a Yukon?

I think Terry gets on their nerves. (In the q & a challenge, they voted him (or him and Courtney) as one who never shuts up/talks too much.) I don't think he is playing to the jury enough. It's easy for me to say this because I'm obviously not out there where they have nothing to distract them from each other and the game, but if I were playing this game, I would always be really careful to try to not annoy anyone, make anyone mad etc. (I think Cirie has been doing a good job of this so far.) Having to vote people out is part of the game, but I don't think Terry is being as tactful as he needs to be to win this game. You usually have to be likeable to win this. He indicated on camera that he thinks he is a shoe in because he has dominated physically in this game. (not word for word) Many people do not vote to give someone the $1 million based on that and often they purposefully will not give someone the $ if they like the other one more/hate the other one less. Terry may be really likeable in real life and so far the little we have seen has been mostly likeable or ok, but what we haven't seen...well...maybe he comes across very arrogant and annoying to the others (who have/will become the jury members). Just because Terry may vote for the strongest physical competitor and one who has done a lot around camp if he was on the jury does not mean anyone else will. I don't think he is thinking about this in that way.

Speaking of being tactful, he was not at all when trying to explain his choices of who to reward. I understand his point about his wife, I think a lot of men feel this way, especially those his age and older. However, I don't think it was smart of him to tell Aras this. (For one, Aras cannot relate to it because Aras is not married/hasn't been married for a long time, so even if he was married, it would be such a short time I still think Aras wouldn't understand.) I understand Aras' point too, he and Dan. don't have spouses, their moms are just as important to them as Terry's wife is to him, they are their rocks. I think Terry really blew it with the whole conversation. I think Aras is quite mature for his age. He indicated that Terry holds the age thing over his head often. Therefore, I think Terry will never get a vote from Aras if Aras is on the jury. I also think Aras will be on the jury because I don't think Terry will take him to the F2.

I also think Terry probably comes across to them as very closed minded and his way is the only and best way and superior to their ways in a number of things. I also think Terry probably toots his own horn for this physical accomplishments in the game and his life accomplishments. This probably drives them crazy.

I don't see how Terry could possibly not be in the final two. He will be in the final three for sure because even if he does not win immunity next, he has the im. idol. I am sure he will win immunity in the F3 challenge. He is strong, has endurance physically and mentally. He is smart and has a great memory. I really doubt he would not win that F3 challenge. For me, the question is, who will he take to the F2.

I think Shane was maybe the only Cas. member to talk so blatantly and arrogantly about Terry being the next to go after the merge. It's hard to tell with all the editing, but he was the one shown on camera starting those discussions in front of Terry.

I think Bruce may vote for Terry, but I also think there is a very good chance he will vote for the Cas member that is up against Terry in the F2 because Bruce never got voted out and doesn't have those hard feelings associated with that. He may have felt he was next to go at times, but when it comes right down to it, you never know what will happen until TC is over. He may think of this. Or, he may reward Terry's physical dominance.

I think Shane's vote is hard to predict. But, he really doesn't seem so prone to hard feelings. I think he is more thoughtful than he really let on. I think the Shane we first saw is not so much the real Shane because of the nicotine addiction.

Courtney's parting words were something like no hard feelings. But, she seems to be ruled by her emotions at times. She did seem mad at Danielle during last night's show.

I don't think the jury members are allowed to talk about the game or who is left.

Yoda
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08-11-2005

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yoda a private message Print Post    
I'm voting for Cirie to get the second Yukon because although she sucks at the challenges she has worked hard at camp and been in control since day one. She won't win the million but she deserves something for having to look at Shane's rash......

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
happymom, on the CBS website the public is being asked to vote for another Survivor to receive a Yukkon. it can be anyone whether they are still in the game or not.

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
I would have made the same choices as Terry as to who "got love," except I would have taken Cirie and H.B. to house and let Shane and Boston stay at camp. I don't really have an opinion about him offering an explanation for his choices and, quite frankly, don't blame him if he is arrogant about his physical domination. None of these people have been exactly kind to him since the merge, so if he wants to rub it in their faces a little, more power to him.

Mistysmoke
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08-10-2001

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mistysmoke a private message Print Post    
Courtney was interviewd on a local radio station today, she still seemed upset with Danielle. Bruce was also on our local radio station a bit ago and it was really interesting of why he didnt join Terry when given the option.

Yoda
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08-11-2005

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yoda a private message Print Post    
I would have let Cirie and HB go to the resort thinking that Boston might like the adventure of camp

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I would have taken Shane to the resort if I were in Terry's place. Had nothing to do with Shane but as a parent I would like a child to think his parent was picked first -- I would have done it for the kid.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
It is said that people who end up as front page news are those that you least expect (Son of Sam, Ted Bundy, etc.) because they don't look or act like a person who would do something to be on the front page. Does that mean that we never have to worry about seeing Shane on the front page?

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
LOL, N_T! He certainly looks like the type you would expect to see there.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I wouldn't have wanted my kid at that camp. It was good for HB to see how hard Cirie has had it, makes him appreciate her more.

I like Terry but I also like Aras and if I had to say one of them were wrong I would say it was Terry. I understood what he was saying but you should never tell someone that their loved one isn't as important as your own loved one.

I want Cirie to win the Yukon just because I like her.

Cablejockey
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12-27-2001

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cablejockey a private message Print Post    
I am watching Shane on the CBS internet show and he has been singing the praises of Terry--admiring his tenacity, admitted the whole group was against him yet he didnt give up. He said he's a good man. Courtney had good things to say about Terry last week. Jenna the host is suprised because she thinks Terry is too arrogant. Shane was not happy to see Jenna and Dalton 'bomb on him--shane-- for 7 weeks and call him a creep'He also doesnt like Cirie for lying to him but admires her game play.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I started to vote for Cirie, but then decided to vote for Bruce. I'd also be happy if Cirie won it, but she'll get more money than Bruce and he lost his chance the hard way.

Terry is great at competitions but seems to never quite know when to shut up.

I mean, I could follow his logic on the choices he made (but he did reward the first two out of the competition). At first I thought he'd choose Cirie to have the over night and let Shane's kid experience the camp (I think that would have been something for Boston to brag about forever) but then thought how UN relaxed Shane can be in camp and think Terry did a good thing in letting the two have the more relaxed setting. And it was so great for Cirie to have her husband see just what she was experiencing. As it went on, I thought the choices were actually perfect.

However, Terry should have simply been quieter about his decision, and been VERY sympathetic and supportive of Aras and Danielle, just saying he was sorry, had to make choices and that's how it went.