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Biginjapan
Member
07-23-2005
| Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 4:21 pm
I hope Terry does not win this. I never liked him after he turned on Dan. And all he can do is win challanges. He has been horrible at strategizing. I prefer somebody who can outwit to win.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 4:42 pm
I am in total agreement BiginJapan! It really bugged me when he said him booting Dan was a managerial decision. Like it was for the good of the "team"? It was good ONLY for Terry. Sure he is a great competition winner, but he is a rotten friend. (Assuming he was friends with Dan.)
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 5:09 pm
How can any of them be friends, especially after only a few days, when Dan left?
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 5:26 pm
I guess they really can't be friends, but I still think it was rotten for Terry to do and I also think his "excuse" was a farce.
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Sallycat22
Member
08-31-2005
| Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 6:27 pm
I am curious to see how Terry will handle a loss. It might tell us more about him than all the wins.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 8:09 pm
How on earth could Terry strategise? His tribe was pagonged the minute the merge started. He tried getting people to break from Casaya, but no one would, even though some probably would have benefitted. He just had no way to strategise, except to keep winning immunity.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 8:44 pm
I think he had to handle loss after loss before the merge ..
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 10:07 pm
True, Sea! That is why his team went into the merge without the numbers!
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Riviere
Member
09-09-2000
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 4:49 am
Folks forget fast the small but close knit team had no choice whatsoever to vote off a member, and it was Dan (whom I'd liked very much) who botched the deciding IC when they were ahead and it looked like a shoo in? Dan basically had to outwit Cirie on that task and failed. Dan even accepted the loss fell on him since the others like Terry had done their parts. Unpleasant as it was voting off a friend & ally who else might they have chosen? It seemed more 'fair' to vote off the weakest link and it was Dan. I'd rather they'd won that IC but they didn't, and yes we have to remember Dan was so upset about the loss he'd have voted himself off if he could have! He handled a bad situation with great grace. Yet I didn't see Terry being arrogant nor even making a self serving strategy nor did he 'turn' on Dan or backstab him. He was a good solid team player who would have voted whichever pal lost the IC forcing them to the TC. Tough choice? Nah, I'd have been disappointed if Terry opted to keep Dan and oust one of the younger guys who worked so hard to avoid that loss. That would have been arrogance ~ if Terry told Dan don't worry about it, buddy, we'll boot this other guy, he's young, he'll get over it, blah blah blah... Wasn't it Aras crabbing about his mom being as important as Terry's wife that spurred him to discuss the reward choices? I recall Aras having a mini hissy fit while Terry was calm trying to explain the logic. I agree, Terry was sort of damned if he did or didn't but made excellent choices. He didn't owe anyone a word to justify them. Above all he finally realized Cirie runs the show and only Shane did approach Terry while C A D have been downright closed. That was very self serving of Shane. With Terry immune S C A D were in the same boat as Terry's bloc was when they sadly had to let Dan go! So it's ironic S told T it was time to boot the strong but jealous Aras but turn around believing C & A would help oust Danielle. Then if it worked Shane could always emphasize that well, we all know who cast the vote against you, Aras, right buddy? Terry fell into that one! In hindsight Shane couldn't have been that shocked C A D saw him as their weakest link? The final weeks of play have made the "me against them all" Terry look all the better since he tries so hard and has no ally he can trust. If some find his winning IC to stay alive 'arrogant' many of us note Terry really hasn't lied to anybody or been a manipulator like Cirie. I admired Aras sticking to his voting bloc until Shane had to go. Yet unlike Terry I'd have shot myself in the foot and said look, kid, when you're my age you may see why my wife and Shane's son and Cirie's hubby were just a lot more important than your mother spending a night with you at this time! So yeah, I'm more a Terry fan since I think if he was my ally he'd be loyal & truthful until the day he had no choice but to oust me. Hope to see Terry & Aras purely outmuscle each other to the end and I suspect Terry does, too. Old dog, young pup, and no sly foxes in the way to the jury! Though if Terry keeps his amazing IC winning streak wouldn't it behoove the gals to crawl to him to be final 3?

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Misspoufy
Member
09-30-2004
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 4:59 am
I like Terry, a lot. I wish he could win this, but I don't think that's going to happen...and I'd be highly surprised if it did. As for the boot of Dan and his "managerial decision" comment. I don't understand why people are upset by that. He and Dan are both aviators, upper management kinds of guys. They had to boot someone, they didn't want to, and they all agreed it had to be the weakest member...Dan. Even Dan agreed. That's a managerial decision. As for Terry trying to garner votes through strategy. The Casaya people will hardly TALK to the man, and every time he's tried to form an alliance of any kind they stab him in the back. Their stupidity and stubbornness has cost some of them the game. They should have figured out long ago that they couldn't beat him in the IC, they knew almost from day 1 of the merge that he had the HII, so why didn't one of them make a deal with him long, long ago? If they really wanted him gone that badly if one of them had made a deal with him, he'd have given them the idol. He'd have been gone the next TC. Instead here they are final 4 and he will definitely make it to the final 3, no matter what. He hasn't needed to strategize, and anybody on the jury, except for his own two tribes members, are going to stick with their own tribe out of dumb loyalty. Stupid really, when you think about it. Terry ought to win because he's done what no other survivor has ever done...win all the individual immunity challenges, as well as most of the reward challenges. The old man has creamed the young'uns. That alone ought to get him the million bucks.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 8:34 am
Just have to chime in on the mom vs. spouse controversy. Though I agree with Terry that a spouse needs to come before a parent (to the married person), someone who's never been married probably wouldn't understand that. It's kind of pointless arguing who loves who better. How can Terry really say he loves his wife more than Aras loves his mommy? You can't argue somebody else's feelings.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 8:57 am
Does Aras LIVE with Mommy? Sleep with Mommy? AT his age I didn't live near Mommy and being busy with work and life it wasn't unusual to go over 40 days without seeing her. My husband I saw every day. I only fault Terry for even trying to explain it in terms of closeness. Even if Aras started the complaining and whining and demanded to know why, Terry could just say that he couldn't hurt that child and, that as older children, Aras and Danielle could surely understand THAT. And then just say, I'm sorry, I had to make SOME decision and I chose Cirie and her husband to be in camp. In the past a mom going to camp was somewhat uncomfortable in camp. (It would have helped if Shane had appeared to try harder in the competition). Anyway, I'd have made the same decision. If Aras' mom and Danielle's moms are in happy marriages, I'm betting they would choose their spouse over their adult kid, to have a visit.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 9:13 am
Sea, I totally agree with you. I was just saying that Terry arguing with Aras about it was a waste of breath. It just made him mad, and like I said, if he's not married, he might not understand the difference (hard to believe, I know). Anyway, I think maybe Aras was arguing just for the sake of arguing with Terry. You can't measure the love in someone's heart against the love in someone else's heart for their loved one (not to be too redundant!). 
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 9:35 am
I think that Terry knows that he is not going to get Aras' vote at the end no matter what. The main threat from Aras is in the competitions. That is why he made the comment about throwing Aras off of his game.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 12:12 pm
I hope all men don't feel the way Terry does!!! I better come first in Dylan's life..forever!!!! LOL!!! Kidding aside, I think it depends on your relationship with your Mom. When I was engaged I would go to Vegas with my mom, went on a cruise with my mom, and did many things with her I didnt do with fiance. Mainly because we were so close and had a blast whereever we went. My fiance knew this and sometimes he would come along, sometimes he wouldnt. I didnt have as much fun with him as I did with my mom....prolly why we never got married!! LOL Now I totally in love with Bill, we have fun together but I would still trade a weekend with him for a weekend with my mom.
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Sallycat22
Member
08-31-2005
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 2:33 pm
Okay...we have the relationship with a MOM (Aras) vs a relationship with a DAD (Boston). I know I am sick here, but I would have liked to see Shane's reaction if he got sent back to camp with just a wave. He did come on strong in the interview by giving Boston's mother the credit for raising Boston. Boston seems way more mature than his Dad. I bet he could have done better at the challenges too.
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Hummingbird
Member
08-21-2002
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 2:39 pm
If Terry doesn't win, there is no justice. He has been the underdog since merge and is winning everything and and spoiling the best laid plans of the Aras pack. Aras had no say in who was chosen to spend time with a tribe member because HE DIDN"T WIN! His jealousy is flaming.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 3:07 pm
Pamy..that is so sweet for you to say that about your mom. I would like to think my girls think that about me but in fact it is my two grandsons, 20 & 11 that would pick me over anyone else. (I have taught them both to play gin rummy and that's the lure). I feel Terry has had an unfair advantage with his training...like putting the wolf in with the sheep. The challenges have all seemed to be so physical and slanted towards his winning. I'd like to see Aras win and knock some of that cockiness out of Terry.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 4:43 pm
I agree that Terry didn't handle the explanation well. And I'd also have wanted SHANE sent back to came or to exile island, but I couldn't look at Boston and do that to him. How long has Terry been retired? I've known and worked with tons of ex military guys who were totally out of shape, so if Terry has kept up his fitness, that isn't unfair, just his own hard work. Shane is younger and it isn't Terry's fault that Shane is a smoker and undoubtedly gets winded and Aras is young and involved in yoga and often comes quite close to beating Terry. Terry simply has a fire in the belly and he wins and that's that. And then again, Survivor isn't always fair anyway. I don't see Terry making it to the end because he won't have that extra idol stashed away for use and chances are, someone will beat him. Not a single one of them would bring him with them to F2.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 5:10 pm
I really have to agree with those who say Terry is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't when it comes to Aras and Danielle especially. Danielle keeps reminding me of Jenna who won against Matt - spoiled Jenna - lazy and resentful of anyone who had more then her. I remember someone saying it wasn't fair that Matt had more money coming into Survivor - as IF that had anything to do with the game! And yet I'm sensing that same type of mentality in this final group that it isn't fair that Terry came into Survivor being so strong. And because of that mentality, Terry will lose in the final two - sadly in my opinion.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-30-2004
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 7:03 pm
ITA with the poster who said Dan & Terry were likely the managerial types and that spurred his comment, IMO more of a military type of phrase as well. But about the boot of Dan and his "managerial decision" comment: I believe Terry was asked (he didn’t volunteer the subject) at TC, WHY he was voting for the person he was about to vote for. Terry likely knew at that moment everyone else was voting the same way. Saying "managerial decision" was certainly more respectful and face-saving to his friend Dan, than to answer Jeff with something like "we're voting off the weakest link" or "we're voting out the one who goofed up our chances at the IC" or "we don't think this person on the team can help us win more challenges". "managerial decision" sounds more cold, cut&dried, and not personally directed at any specific player. Dan's past training and job experiences should have left him more able to solve the puzzle faster than Cirie too - that was mainly what upset Dan. I agree with whoever said, if he could, Dan would probably voted for himself too.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 8:53 pm
Terry hasn't just won the physical competitions. The swimming to see the line of puzzle pieces was much more mental than physical. The last challenge just required balance -- not necessarily physical strength. Even the team challenge where they had to follow their ropes then dive for a bag was more teamwork than physical. Cirie's team lost largely due to the fact that they got tangled -- not because they couldn't follow the course. I think Terry has the brawn and the brain -- just don't know if he has any "buddies" on the jury to bring it all the way home.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-30-2004
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 9:02 pm
Personally, I'm becoming pretty impressed with Terry for holding his own in an uphill battle of the odds - mentally as well as physically! Was rooting for Cirie but that whole alliance group has acted pretty snakefaced - and Cirie is losing some of her appeal to me. As far as the jury goes, I'm not willing to write off Terry as a no-win yet. 1) He's already got Austin/Sally votes on his side. 2) Shane has now been blindsided by the pack twice in a row, left to look foolish to his son and the world of TV viewers. Last week (after the Courtney surprise), he kept asking Cirie if things changed or if they were changing their votes, PLEASE would they let him know, would they call him down from the ridge to tell him what was going on THIS time? Cirie assured him that they would! Instead, the 3 of them STILL left him out of the loop and blindsided him for the 2nd time at TC. (Shane likely knew Terry was voting Danielle, after his chat w/Shane & reinforced by her selection for Exile Island.) Shane is now left somewhat beholden to Terry for allowing his kid Boston to see him as a winner, picked like a first draft choice! Allowing Boston the experience Shane himself said he would have liked to win more than any of the rewards ever offered. BTW, I feel that Terry (father of two kids, a boy & a girl, himself) was VERY perceptive & wise to NOT send Boston back to camp. Didn’t need for someone to make some demeaning remark or attitude towards Shane in front of his kid, no matter how fun sharing the survival experience could be. 3) Bruce seems like a fair man. With all his karate training, mental meditation conditioning, teaching experience, I don't think he would automatically, sheep-like, just follow the pack. Bruce/Terry both started out on the older man's team. Bruce said he knew all along the younger Casaya people were just buffooning him with the "we respect you so much as our senior and most experienced player" baloney. I think he would have GREAT admiration for the mental/physical prowess Terry demonstrated in winning so many challenges. I also think Bruce noticed that Terry has respectfully spoken to other players – even looney toonies such as Shane and Courtney. 4) Isn’t 4 votes on the jury all it takes?
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Biscottiii
Member
05-30-2004
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 10:26 pm
Just speculating, but... Did anyone else perceive this the same way or am I just imagining? When Bruce was giving his Survivor Castoff interview the morning following his medical evacuation episode, from what I saw thru the links TVCL people gave, it seemed more difficult than the typical interview. He wasn't allowed to give away info and looked like he was worrying about saying the wrong thing. Such as, when asked whether he had returned to the jury, Bruce saying they would have to wait till next week's show to find out. What I thought was when they asked if he ever gotten his shoes back (shown in a link on their website, a short clip, Cirie had "rescued"/borrowed his athletic shoes after he was evacuated). Bruce seemed startled at the question and stumbled over his words before he admitted 'yes, he had gotten his shoes back'. Said Cirie had small feet like he did, so it wasn't surprising that she was the one to be able to wear them & he had left barefoot in the stretcher. Bruce didn't elaborate A TALL about when/how/where Cirie managed to get them back to him. Just looked uncomfortable with the whole subject. Left ME wondering if perhaps the logical timing to get his shoes returned was at the JURY house where she could have washed and handed 'em over. Maybe Cirie joined him @ the jury house not making to F2. So Bruce was startled by the sudden interview question, afraid of giving any info away? Whatcha think?
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 11:36 pm
terry voted for aras, didn't he, not danielle? nice detective work, biscottiii...perhaps this is a new bestselling movie/film: "In His Shoes"?? i hope the guy from 'the flamingo kid' plays bruce and queen latifah plays cirie, although they'd probably have to bind latifah's feet to have them fit the sneakers...
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