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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 12:39 pm
I think the big alliance is Rafe and Steph and they know who will be the biggest physical competition at the end. I like them both, so would love to see them as the final 2. Gutsy play, though I agree that it was more in Rafe's best interest than Steph's. Voting off Judd right then was smart. When he bellows about it at the end, all they have to say is that Gary outed that he lied and they didn't feel like they could trust him. And if he says "Why didn't you talk to me about it?" their response should be "Why didn't you talk to me about it?" Lydia was playing well last night. Good for her!
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Babyruth
Member
07-19-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 12:51 pm
Hey Ms. Fruitbat. Good thing bats are already deaf, or you might hear the roaring silence of your throngs. lol 
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:21 pm
I don't agree that Lydia was responsible for Judd's ouster. Danni was the one who got Rafe and Steph thinking. It's clear Lydia never talked about it with Rafe and Steph because Danni had to convince them that Lydia would go with them. In fact, Lydia was still trying to work with Judd when the others were already turning against him. Her voting comment on the web site confirms that she really wanted to form an alliance with Judd rather than just bait him into blabbing about turning against Steph and Rafe. If she were really playing well, she would have realized Judd wasn't the right person to approach in the Gang of Four. Danni correctly realized that the ones to go to were Steph and Rafe.
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Yacky
Member
07-06-2005
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:31 pm
I want Steph in the final 3 with Rafe and Cindy. If Steph had voted Lydia it would have been a tie, then what? I dont think she had much of a choice at this point. I was happy to see Judd go.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:35 pm
Yeah I was wondering...what did Judd do well enough to score that lovely woman? And on the fabulous Febreez family moment - was Judd in there or does he have a twin with the same beard?
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:37 pm
I think Danni was very clever in her manipulation. She could have simply lied and told Steph that Judd was possibly changing his position. Instead she played out her plan and it worked. At least she can't be accused of lying. Is Lydia the only one who has seen through Steph as she mentioned a couple of weeks ago?
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Yacky
Member
07-06-2005
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:40 pm
Judd does have an identical twin named Timmy.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:42 pm
I'm watching last night's show now. And I just gotta say... I totally LOVED Stephenie's face during the IC. When Danni changed places with her. When she realized she was out of the game. When Danni had the IN placed on her neck. HAHAHAHA! Looks like she sucked on a lemon! (She really is a poor sportsmanship, too!)
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:48 pm
Costa, I loved all of those moments. What was it Steph said when Danni switched with her - "Not good"?
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:48 pm
Yacky, from the way they talked, Rafe was more reluctant than Steph about voting against Judd. If Steph had said no to a Judd vote, Rafe would have followed her and it would have been pointless for Danni to vote for Judd. Lydia would have been gone 5-1. It was a bad move for Steph because she should have seen that she was Judd's closest ally and Judd couldn't afford to get rid of her. Judd even told his wife that he was hoping Steph would take him to the final two.
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Yacky
Member
07-06-2005
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:52 pm
Thanks Spear I didnt catch that last night. I tend to miss a lot with 2 year olds running around.
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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:54 pm
Roxip, I had forgotten about that Judd twin! I didn't know he had one either and it freaked me out a bit. The editing made me laugh last night. I KNEW Judd was going because they showed him making too many cocky statements. Reality show rule #1 - "No matter how confident you feel about your chances, always appear humble and a little bit concerned about your chances of staying in." (Of course, not appear too concerned... that'll get you booted too!) I did feel bad for Judd. Not too bad, though. He could be very annoying. You're right about Danni...she did well, too. I have missed a lot of shows this season, so have a question. I seldom notice Cindy at all. Has she been that low key for the whole thing?
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:55 pm
I'm so glad Steph didn't think that move through, but she has no idea that Rafe can think for himself and is teetering on the fence.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:59 pm
Yeah, she's been pretty lowkey, Yes. She's come close to winning a few challenges, and won last week's reward challenge. Judd's comments as he left last night probably did not endear him to anyone left in the tribe. His mouth really shoots off at the wrong moments, doesn't it. How nice to call your fellow contestants "scumbags." I think (hope) it's gonna be Rafe, Cindy, and Danni in F3. And if Rafe wins (which he might; he's won a lot of IC), he's really gonna have a tough decision. I know he feels really close to Cindy, but I think he's getting close to Danni, too. I think he'd pick Cindy though. And Judd goes out lying about not lying. Sheesh!
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 2:04 pm
I noticed that Judd said "scumbag" twice - once when he was walking up to get his torch put out and then as he was walking away. However, the second "scumbag" sounded exactly like the first. Could this have been a perfect example of editing?
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 3:36 pm
Do we know why Cindy was not in the loop about voting Judd out?
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Iheartkaysar
Member
08-16-2005
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 3:51 pm
RE: Cindy winning last week's reward challenge, remember, she only won b/c the others didn't smash her pots. She came close in one immunity challenge, but I don't think she's a real threat. Has anyone else noticed the abnormally (I think) high number of twins who end up on reality shows? Wonder what that's about? I can't help but contrast the exits of Bryan and Judd- says a lot. I think this wasn't Steph's best move. IMO, Rafe is in control of this game and has been for a while. He doesn't talk loudly, but people listen to him, you know what I mean? Fun episode! As I posted in another thread, the funniest moment for me came when Jeff announced that the immunity challenge would be based on mental ability- Judd rolled his eyes in defeat right at that moment!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 4:02 pm
She's come in close in more than one challenge, Heart.
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Gonzilly
Member
07-09-2005
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 5:01 pm
tnt, it always makes sense to leave on person out of the loop because then the person getting voted out doesn't know who voted against them. I am sure when Judd gets to question the final 2 it will be a question asked. On a different subject, later when Stephanie gets questioned by her vote she can tell Judd it would have been a tie if she didn't vote that way so she was trapped into voting against him to protect herself.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 5:38 pm
Babyruth, the throng did arrive! And her name is Brenda. See? bats are NOT deaf........wanders away shaking head and muttering
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2005 - 9:21 pm
Thanks, Gonzilly! Guess I just suck at stratagy!
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 3:01 am
Gonzilly, the problem with that is that whoever doesn't make final 2 (including Cindy) could just easily tell Judd that it was Cindy who voted with him. Also, the final 2 can't both claim to have voted with Judd. I also don't think that Steph can convince Judd that she was just voting with the group. Judd knows that Steph was dictating things. On Survivor Live, he was angry that Steph didn't come to him after talking to Danni to verify her story. While I'm as happy as anyone to see Judd get booted, I think his anger at Steph is justified. (Well, I'm also happy to see Steph lose another vote on the jury.)
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 4:19 am
I agree about Judd's anger at Steph being justified but he got paid back the way he played the game too. Hopefully, the same thing will happen to Steph. What goes around comes around.
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 5:59 am
On Survivor Live, he was angry that Steph didn't come to him after talking to Danni to verify her story. And what would he have done? Lied.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 6:26 am
Judd would have said he wasn't serious with Lydia, and Steph should have believed him because it was true -- there's no way Judd would have turned on Steph for Lydia. Judd's a "bad sportsmanship" but he was loyal. His first alliance was with Steph and Jamie and he never wavered from that. Anyway, I'm glad Steph didn't talk to Judd because now he's gone and she's in worse position -- both satisfying results as far as I'm concerned.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 8:10 am
As much as I’m thrilled Judd is gone I do think that Steph made a fatal mistake voting him off. If those 2 were in the final 2 I think Steph would have won the votes. No, even if she does make it to the final 2 she’s got less of a chance against any of the remaining folk. She’s gonna be so pisssed when she either gets booted or if she does make it to the final and losses because of her ousting Judd. Boy oh boy will she throw a hissy fit over the injustice of it all. The best part of this season, I think will be the final episode when all the sore losers get to “speak their peace”. Go Raffe!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 8:25 am
Judd thought taking Steph to the finals would guaranteee him a spot (since she'd already been a contestant). He was upset that he was outplayed (part of the game, "man"). Judd also isn't gonna think of whether she had a good strategy or not. He's gonna take it personally. Which really is a fatal mistake on his part, as well as hers. I do think Steph will be an "interesting" evictee. She's really shown her true colors when challenges don't go her way (when Lydia blasted her out of the RC two weeks ago; when Danni switched places with her this week). I keep feeling like she thinks SHE deserves to win. But all I see is a really sore loser.
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 10:04 am
Let's not forget that Judd's vote isn't the deal breaker for or against Stephenie. I think she needs to look long and hard at the other jury members. I doubt that she would have Jamie's vote or Gary's vote. Not sure about BobbyJon's vote. I think that when you get yourself into a position of power you have the chance of making more enemies as you need to turn on your alliance partners to get further ahead. They (Cindy, Rafe) might not look kindly on her if they end up on the jury. I also don't think she will have Lydia's vote, nor Danni's. Yep, in my mind, there is no way that Stephenie could win this even if she ends up being F2.
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