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Watching2
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07-07-2001

Friday, October 21, 2005 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
All I could do was laugh at Bobby Jon and I think it was Brandon? They looked so totally ridiculous screaming at each other that way!

How was Brian able to talk to Rafe to tell him who to give immunity?


Native - I understand about the ADHD. My son is 18 now, but when he was young? It was pure hell. And what I found the most upsetting is people saying that people just gave meds to their kids because they didn't want to bother disciplining them. My son went through hell for years because the school wouldn't even fathom he had it because he was asthmatic and on medicines that made him jittery. By the time he finally got in for testing and on meds, the poor kid's self-esteem, self-worth, was in the toilet. He just plain thought he was BAD and so did I as a parent. Happily now the "H" is rarely apparent except in very specific circumstances and that's when others are acting all "hyper" at the same time. He does still have problems with concentration and "hyper-focusing" so that he forgets anything else he's supposed to do.


Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, October 21, 2005 - 4:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Personally, I think Margaret was irresponsible in telling Judd he had ADD. ADD should never be diagnosed by a few observations and a nonprofessional. Margaret perpetuated a common and harmful myth that ADD or ADHD can be diagnosed by casual observation, which it cannot and absolutely should not.

I cannot say how many times I have heard stories about teachers saying this or that child has ADD and should be on meds, and how horribly harmful that is to the children and their parents.

I am dismayed that a health care professional doesn't know better.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Friday, October 21, 2005 - 4:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
I think Judd will be next -- he may be strong (in more ways than one :-) ), but that would be a DISadvantage if he makes it to merge and is fighting for individual immunity. With the puzzle, he showed he's not "dumb guy" (he just plays one on TV), so if you couple that w/his strength, he could be a real threat.

I enjoyed watching Brian scheme, and he definitely left with class and good sportsmanship!

I'm really liking Amy, and I still enjoy watching Steph -- she was a bit better last night. I think my favorite is still Gary, though. He's our hometown boy and he's showing a lot of common sense in how he's playing the game (minus the lie of course -- and who knows, that may have helped him keep under the radar this long!).

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, October 21, 2005 - 5:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
the challenges this season seem to have been designed to hurt ppl!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, October 21, 2005 - 5:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
<<Dear CBS,
Will someone PLEASE retire the obligatory clip of a snake in *every* episode?
Yes, we know they are being sneaky and duplicitous ... like a snake. We get it!
We don't want to see another snake shot unless its biting a contestant or otherwise related to game play. Got it?
>>

Delilah,
I'm glad I'm not the only person who hates this! Ugh!! I scrunch my eyes tight and turn my head every time I see one of those things. YUCK


Luvmom
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10-17-2000

Friday, October 21, 2005 - 6:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvmom a private message Print Post    
Lance,Gary did play.He was teamed with Amy in the guy/girl comp. when she hurt her ankle.He help her off the field.I'm not sure if Rafe played though.

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Friday, October 21, 2005 - 9:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
Don't care for Judd and his personality at all. Sure hope he does not go as far as predicted. Would rather have someone I like be the winner. Also, hoping him having an identical twin brother is not a big twist. Will be interesting to see who he brings to family challange.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Friday, October 21, 2005 - 9:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
Luvmom, thanks for the correction. I have no idea how I miss a guy 6'4" trying to roll a huge ball over someone. Sigh.

Kc103
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07-13-2004

Friday, October 21, 2005 - 10:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kc103 a private message Print Post    
Costacat, I'm in agreement with you about Stephenie. I know that many people here seem to like her though. I never quite saw what the big deal was about her the first time around. It seems they are tending to "focus" a lot on her this season again...probably because she has been popular with a segment of Survivor fans I guess. Sometimes I feel her demeanor is a little on the poor side. I mean how many other contestants were handed a second chance to participate in this show??(All-Star season being the exception.) Very few! I always get the impression that she feels she "deserves" the win this time. JMO of course!

P.S. The use of "retarded" the other night also hit a sour note with me. Came off sounding quite immature to me.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 12:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
Add me to the list of folks who cringe when Steph calls something/someone "retarded." Last week I mentioned she acted like a pre-teen with her "he gets so gay" comment about Bobby Jon. Same thing with using this term. You'd think the girl was in Jr Hi school or something. Has she not learned to grow up and find an adult vocabulary?

Judd was driving me nuts at TC not letting anyone (even Jeff) finish a sentence.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
It's part of his intimidation tactics.

When they call him a doorman...I am guessing that can translate to doorman at a bar---as in bouncer.

There's no way he dresses in a fancy uniform and holds open the door for little old ladies to pass through with their poodles at some posh, upscale apartment building or hotel.

I could almost 'hear' the bouncer talking the other night at Tribal Council. Good place for him to be working too as he seems to have an issue with alcohol, preferring alcohol over a meal and taking beer which doesn't belong to him.

This was in Stephenie's bio:
She received her Bachelor of Science degree in business administration with concentration in marketing and management. She currently works as a territory sales representative for a pharmaceutical sales company and bartends part-time.

I am very surprised she is so inarticulate considering her educational background. Too much time hanging out in the bar is my guess.

Oceanelvis
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07-21-2005

Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oceanelvis a private message Print Post    
funny RB....You know I never thought about that as a doorman. It totally fits his personality to be a bouncer type. As far as Steph, I think its the day and age that young people today lack some of the social graces and utilize proper and tonal qualities to thier choice of verbage.

At TC you could tell the beer was talking ...not Judd..LOL

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 3:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
The CBS site says Judd works at a prominent hotel in NYC. Until someone shows me that CBS's information is incorrect, I will have to believe that he really is a hotel doorman, not a bouncer.

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
Judd reminds me of the doorman on the TV show about the mother & daughter "The Gastinos" on the "E" Channel. It may just be the accent, but they look alike too.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 4:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
I'm skeptical...I'm going with bouncer...:-)

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 4:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I think it's bull to excuse Steph's (or anyone's) ignorant remarks, on their age. There are plenty of young people who are sensitive enough not to go around using the word "retard."

I also think it was not only rude of Judd to act like he did at TC, but not smart. Isn't he putting a huge target on his own back?

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 7:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Julieboo, I'm with you. Stephanie doesn't get a pass in my book because 'all the kids talk like that'. She is old enough to know better and apparently she isn't sensitive enough to care.

Kc103
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07-13-2004

Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 12:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kc103 a private message Print Post    
Sallycat22, I asked that very question under "Judd" in the contestant thread when the show first started. No one responded though, so I thought maybe I was just hallucinating! LOL I only caught a few minutes of that show here and there, but did see that doorman guy...who looked and acted like Judd. Hmmm...is he another "wannabe" actor-guy if that is him???

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 12:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Hee, Kc! Of course he's a run of the mill NYC doorman...the only question is "where?" It'd be great if he were another actor wannabe like Colby instead of another woe-is-me who can't contain his outbursts like that one who wore the tie-dye!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
In Judd's world, he doesn't need to worry about what he says. In Judd's world, his "brute strength" is so desperately needed that he cannot imagine being voted off. His ego is so massive, that he cannot see whether his mouth is gonna get him into trouble. I'd love to see him leave as the last member before they begin to assemble the jury. Hehehe...

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
Kc103 Now that I think about it, I believe that Judd would be bragging about being on that TV "Gastino Girls"show. Of course a lot has to be cut to fit the time slot.
Here's another thought. When the ousted members are interviewed, often they mention how different they were on the Survivor show than they are in real life.
I wonder if the limited diet causes some of these fits. When I go on a strict diet I get pretty cranky

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 1:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
"She currently works as a territory sales representative for a pharmaceutical sales company..."

Maybe Steph got April's job.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Judd's bio says he's a doorman at a "prominent" NYC hotel. I've never been to NYC (one of destination dreams) but it probably wouldn't hurt to have some bouncer abilities. And I'm thinking he can probably kiss a$$ pretty good when it comes to tipping.

Producerchic
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06-29-2004

Monday, October 24, 2005 - 5:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Producerchic a private message Print Post    
"She currently works as a territory sales representative for a pharmaceutical sales company..."

Maybe Steph got April's job.


Hey Native... can you come and clean the soda from my computer monitor?

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, October 24, 2005 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I did not like Margaret much and felt she brought her ouster on herself by her negative attitude.

I also do not like Judd much because he has acted like a bully especially this week. He is needed because of his strength and that will keep him around awhile unless he takes on someone more popular than he is.

Sooner or later, though if they get a chance he will be gone. You could see on their faces that most of them agreed with everything Margaret said. They just felt he was still of use to the tribe and she was a drag on them.

Talking about dianosing conditions, I will never forget the year the Texas legislature in their great wisdom passed a law requiring teachers to diagnose hyperactivity and advise the parents to take the student to the doctor for medication. I do not remember just how specific the law was, but I do remember that it violated the existing law because hyperactivity is a medical condition and teachers could not legally diagonse it. We were instructed by the Texas Education Agency to disregard the law until it was clarified. Only took until the next session for it to be thrown out. We all got a big laugh out of it at the time.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Allie, there are some teachers in Texas who still try to diagnose. Sometimes I think it's just because they don't want to deal with an energetic child.

I will never forget picking up Travis one day when he was in the 2nd grade and he said proceeded to tell me that he had been to the counselor that day because he was acting up. The counselor asked him if he was takings his meds or if he was hiding them, throwing them away, etc. She said if he wasn't she would call CPS and he would be taken away from his mom and dad. I have to say that is probably one of the longest nights of my life waiting for morning to come so I could get to that woman. She readily admitted saying all of that and informed me it was the law to report misuse of meds. I told her that in the future she would call me if she had any questions, that my son had never even thought about doing any of those things with his meds but now he might. I told her if she ever told my son he would be taken away from his parents again, she would have more to deal with than just me.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Good lord. And that counselor still had a job after that?

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kaili a private message Print Post    
I finally just watched the show last night...

Rafe looked absolutely sickly at TC. Everytime they showed him, I thought he was about to vomit.

Judd acted like a jerk at TC....but we see so little of what really happens there that I wonder if Margaret was a lot worse than they showed....even the other girl voted for her who was on her team before.

Stephanie seems to only be "not that bad" on the episodes when her team wins because she has nothing to whine about then. I'll give her credit though- she does put everything into the competitions.

And so does Amy. I really didn't think I'd like her but I do more and more. And she looked sooo happy when they were complimenting her at TC. Like a little kid getting praised (or a city girl getting praised by outdoor-ish athletic types).

I don't know why Rafe didn't compete since only Lydia was sitting out- maybe there were more rounds that they played in the game that we just didn't see?

Spear
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08-06-2001

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 2:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
On Survivor Live, Margaret and Brian confirmed that Rafe did not compete.

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 5:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
my feeling is that judd is really a doorman for a posh hotel or apartment building. he would make good tips if he kisses ass.
i still liked margaret, even if she did diagnose, probably pretty accurately, jedd's ADHD. they could have factored in her help with all the sick tribe mates the first episode or two. she was still ahead in my book.
as for steph's comments, yep, typical junior high. i have pretty great kids but i was always hearing that this or that was "gay", "retarded", "stupid", etc. just different words for what i would have considered, "lame", "pea-brained", etc. she should be a little past it at her age, however.
i like stephenie, but don't feel she deserves anything. she's lucky she got to come back. she has to earn everything, though, just like any other contestant.
bobby jon is less likeable to me this time around.
he really seems wussy.

Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 8:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Starshine40 a private message Print Post    
Tabby, I had to laugh at your last line that Bobby Jon seems "wussy", especially after your comments about what terms "kids" would use! LOL!

"Wussy" seems on a par with "retard", "gay","stupid", etc, haha

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 8:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Margaret was on the radio yesterday morning (She's from around here) and she talked a great deal about Judd. Trapper Jack ( the radio personality) openly disliked Judd and supported Margaret though out the time she was on (he had her hubby recap shows on Friday mornings).

Anyway, Margaret said that Judd did things at TC they didn't show. He became physically threatening, he leaned over the people between them and put his fist in her face while telling her to shut her mouth. Apparently a lot of Judd's actions had to be edited because the profanity was profuse. After he did that, she said Jeff asked how she was feeling at that moment, and she told him that a million dollars wasn't enough money to have to put up with Judd's physical threats.

She also said that Judd openly disliked her and would make un-solicited nasty comments at the camp. She also said that Steph appears to be his ally. She hoped that the tension would lessen after she left, but she thinks Judd may target Cindy next.

I got a laugh when they replayed Judd's comment about Margaret not knowing anything about sportsmanship and that she probably never played a sport in her life, and Margaret commented that of the two of them, which one LOOKED like they had played sports???

She seemed nice and well grounded. Not the evil packing momma Judd would have us believe...