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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 12:48 pm
i think it was wrong to eat the chicken, too. even if the 'ceremony' had ended, the chicken was to be left there as far as i'm concerned.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 12:59 pm
It doesn't matter if they meant disrespect or not, the point is it was disrespectful irregardless if the ceremony was over. They said no you can't eat it. That's pretty clear cut and an indication that it's off limits. How much clearer could they get?
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Yowie
Member
07-21-2005
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 1:09 pm
re: the chicken I totally expected the heavens to open after they ate the chicken - and they did - but I also expected Rafe to be in the favour of the Gods and therefore win lol. Last time I was in Mexico (in Playa del Carmen just south of Cancun) we saw what appeared to be a local homeless man take some food and drink off a small Mayan shrine (but not all of it - he left some behind) - and he went and ate/drank on the beach. I assumed that he wasn't supposed to eat it, but maybe if you're homeless and/or starving it's ok.... Re: Danni's lips When I first started wearing lip gloss, I would put it on really, really thick - and when I spoke it would get on my teeth and inside my lips - and I used to do the licking the teeth thing like Danni did last night (drove my Mother crazy lol - and me too watching Danni yesterday). So it seemed to me that she just had way too much on - and wasn't used to wearing lip gloss at all - she should have just used lipstick. I also think it was that plumping lip gloss stuff that Sephora sells now - it's supposed to make you look like you had a mini-collagen injection. (as someone else metioned above)
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 1:12 pm
I don't understand how everyone is sure that they weren't THAT hungry at that stage in the taping.. even the people who got the highest number of food rewards still didn't get more than a meal a week and that corn mostly is just passed through the body. And the four of them had at least two more competitions and even Lydia may well have decided that some protein might help in that effort. Judd said he lost 30 pounds and he wasn't out there quite as long and had several food rewards as well. I think eating was used by several of them as one way to keep Steph from winning, should she be up against them. And it may have helped tip the scales. (probably not, IMO) The physical setup for the challenge favored Danni, with her longer legs and I think it was clear that Steph's back hurt. I can't say if I'd have eaten that chicken but I can't come down on those who did. Just cannot. I'd have had a hard time watching the chicken be killed in a less than humane way anyway. Rafe seemed whinier to me than anyone else.. he really did seem to think Cindy owed them cars and that Danni owed him final two. Boo hoo. I wanted Steph to win, but never thought she had a chance to even get that far. I really thought when Danni won immunity that she and Rafe would team up to keep Lydia and boot Steph and I think Steph might have worried about that, so she wasn't going to be fighting too hard to keep Lydia when Danni said she couldn't boot Rafe. So what did Lydia expect? Judd is just a sore loser, IMO.
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Adven
Member
02-06-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 1:32 pm
I bet that Mayan who said no to the chicken was really one of Mark Burnett's boom operators. I think I saw him on Palau playing a tribal elder.
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Jami
Member
10-08-2003
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 1:32 pm
I wouldn't have eaten the chicken after it had been out in the heat for several hours anyway (at least I don't think I would,,,never been starving). But what comes to my mind after reading these debates it that Paul said, inspired by God, in the New Testament, that it was not a sin to eat meat sacrificed to idols. Of course he, Paul, also said that he would abstain from eating the meat if it offended someone. But I think he meant not to offend anyone against Christianity. Anyway,,,just the thoughts that came to my mind.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 1:36 pm
I agree Seamonkey.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 1:37 pm
Yowie, that sounds right. The hot lights were probably contributing to the gloss melting from her lips. Odd that she wore it again for the CBS morning show interview. Now, I remember hearing about lip plumping products. This all makes sense. Extremely annoying to watch her mouth gymnastics. SeamonkeyI agree with all you said. The outcome would have been the same for Steph, no matter who won, but Danni clearly had the advantage of a more comfortable position. Had Lydia gotten that far she would not have been able to assume the postition. They should have measured them and adjusted accordingly. Judd lost 45 pounds. Adven, you are correct. His name is Chip. He changed his Marilyn Manson T-shirt for native dress.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 1:41 pm
It's good to see someone making fun of another culture's beliefs.
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Adven
Member
02-06-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 1:41 pm
See? HRH says he's the boom operator, too. I'd say that pretty much ends this argument.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 1:44 pm
<slipping out of this thread in case lightening strikes...>
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Iheartkaysar
Member
08-16-2005
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 1:51 pm
Just a note- a commercial for "Entertainment Tonight" just flashed on my TV, and said, "How did a former Miss America win Survivor?" Danni's accomplishments are growing exponentially! I thought she was graceful and classy on last night's show and on TES this morning. I think she's my favourite winner!
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 2:00 pm
She was the first runner-up for the 1996 Miss USA pageant. 
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Rabbit
Animoderator
08-12-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 2:04 pm
Danni represented Kansas in Miss Teen USA in 1992. She was first runnerup for Miss USA in 1996. She was a model with the Ford agency.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 2:13 pm
Ok, you guys. If you think you are going to steer this discussion away from that chicken you are sadly mistaken. A throng is about to arrive home from work, now, to weigh in. Some of them actually know Chip.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 2:22 pm
You're absolutely right, Ms. Bat. The outrage over the chicken eating and disrespect of native Mayan rituals should not be let go so easily. 
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 2:41 pm
I wouldn't have eaten that dang chicken because it still had guts & stuff in it (needless to say the gross smell of the burnt feathers).
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 2:41 pm
Steph played the better game...had it not been for Rafe and his scapegoat strategy...Steph would have faired much better. What I don't get is that the whole alliance voted Jamie and Judd off, but Steph was singled out...only because Rafe made it appear it was her calling the shots, when, in every discussion about who to vote out....Rafe instigated it and Steph went along with it. That's where Rafe messed up...he was betting on Steph or him winning the final IC, which Danni clearly had the advantage in. Judd was right about Danni skating to the end, riding Steph and Rafe's coattails mixed with a couple of IC's. I still say the better players came in 2nd and 3rd. For me, I'll just put Danni right next to Amber and Jenna M. As far as the chicken goes, I think if Lydia had stayed out of it, it would have been a bigger deal than it was. When Lydia was eager to join in, then all bets are off. I find it no more disrespectful than the guys a couple of seasons ago trying to start a fire using the Blessing Stone or whatever that thing was called. Of course this is only my opinion.
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Babyruth
Member
07-19-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 2:41 pm
I think it was just a way of drawing a line of character in the sand. At what point are they so deprived/depraved that they will step over the line and disrespect the solemn cultural and religious ceremonies of their hosts? Is it survival instinct or just greedy impatience? Since they knew when their next meal was coming (end of the show feast), and they had corn at hand til then, I'm finding their actions to be sheer disrespect.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 2:51 pm
The chicken was a symbol...as is a country's flag...one does not desecrate a symbol that has import to a culture. They were thoughtless.
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Babyruth
Member
07-19-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 2:56 pm
Rb, I disagree. To me, the word thoughtless implies a lack of thought was given prior to their action. It was apparent to me that they knew what the chicken meant, and that they had been told it was not to be eaten. They (except Rafe) chose to disrespect that.
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Adven
Member
02-06-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 3:18 pm
Good job, HRH! We're back on topic! Clearly they aren't buying the boom operator theory. My view is just because Mark Burnett sends a few locals up the hill to put on a show for the tourists, does not mean we are witness to something of cultural significance. I've seen Mark Burnett interviewed and high culture is not his strong point. RB, I'll allow a country a finite number of cultural symbols that if disparaged gives all and sundry the right to become offended and indignant. A scorched chicken isn't one of them.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 3:20 pm
I disagree that Danni skated to the end. She was a strong competitor before the merge and controlled the Yaxha votes after the swap. She was outnumbered after the merge but unlike Gary, had the good sense to lay low and work on Rafe and Steph -- the one who were in control. (From the voting comments, Gary played too hard -- he tried to make an alliance with everybody so no one could trust him.) I don't think that the jury was completely unaware of Rafe's role in their eviction. Cindy explicitly stated that she knew Steph was the scapegoat. In the red carpet interview of Jeff Probst, he said he thought Danni would have beaten Rafe in the F2. Rafe and Steph didn't need Danni so it is to her credit that she was able to convince them to take her above Judd, Cindy, and Lydia.
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Danzdol
Member
04-21-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 3:29 pm
Help! my dvr did not record the reunion show..I just went to watch it and there was nothing there! urgh! where can I get pictures of it ?
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Monday, December 12, 2005 - 3:35 pm
1. I don't think Danni skated to the end. She was a good competitor physically (she kicked y'all's beloved Steph's behind in a few of the comps) and she used her brain to survive against the odds. 2. I wouldn't have eaten the chicken, I thought it was disrespectful. 3. Rafe lost major cool points with me last night and his whining. He didn't play any more ethical than anyone else.
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