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The TVClubHouse: Survivor XI - Guatemala ARCHIVES: **SPOILER -- Dec 8th Show **: Archive through December 09, 2005 users admin

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Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
I looked at the car thing a totally different way. I thought NUMBERS -- if you give the others the car, you have 4 people who potentially are thinking positive things about you, for the current tribal council anyway.

Continue w/the numbers -- you know you're taking one person w/you to the feast; that leaves THREE back at camp -- which is the MAJORITY! Now, if you've just given those three people cars, they're probably going to plan the demise of your feast partner rather than you, again -- for this tribal council only.

I don't know -- this would have been a difficult decision for me. I really LOVE my current Jeep (it's 6 years old, but I still love it), and I wasn't terribly impressed w/the Pontiac. Given the numbers above, I might just have given those other people the cars in the hopes that it would keep me safe for at least a week; then I'd have to finagle again.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 9:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I also thought that the "give up your car to give the others one of their own" was a classic Survivor McGuffin....like Cindy could say, "Oh, of course! That's so nice and honorable!" and then, as a reward for her making that decision, Jeff says, "Sike! You get to keep your car because you're such a good sport! That's why we have five cars here, silly!" But nooooooooooooo

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 9:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
You know, Tishala...that has potential, and I could see that happening. Never thought of it! Now that Cindy didn't do it....we'll never know!

Pirate
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06-20-2002

Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 9:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pirate a private message Print Post    
As for me, I would have given the cars to the others. But then, I don't need a car. Besides, you got to pay all them there taxes on it.

I agree with Teachmichigan's senerio. Cindy should have given the cars away. I really think she sealed her fate with the line, "With hard work, I don't see why I can't win the car and the million too!" or something like that. And then to come back and rub the other's noses in it was little much.

And when are these people going to learn that if you take Step with you on the reward, your a gonner?

I hope Rafe or Danni win this thing.

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 9:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willsfan a private message Print Post    
Yeah, the car reward was a Catch 22. LOL What a great twist!

The curse lives on. hahaha

I really like Danni and it would be funny to see Danni & Lydia in the final two. Most of the jury doesn't think Lydia deserves it but if she makes it that far then she must have done something right.

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 10:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
Why do they all think Lydia doesn't deserve to win? She has cooked, cleaned up camp, done all the challenges to the best of her ablility and has usually been stuck with no reward, no extra food, no nothing. Yet she still hangs in there trying.
She may not be young and have a beautiful body, but she is giving everyting she can.
Go Lydia!!!

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 11:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Yeah!! Go Lydia!! And I'm not saying that just because she's from Washington...

Mameblanche
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04-13-2005

Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 11:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Lydia and Rafe final 2! One can dream can't one?
She's an underdog, and he's a boy-scout. What's not to love? Stephanie is my 3rd choice... she's awesome. In these games why do they keep the 'Alphas' is what I want to know? She shudda been gone long ago. Done her time, time to go. If they are too weak/dumb to cut her loose, she deserves to win!

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 11:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
as my dd said, "i'll bet if cindy had given each of the others a car, ellen or oprah would have given HER one and maybe she could have stayed longer."
but what's one more week? another 5 or 10k? the car is worth more than that. i honestly don't think that if it had been him, rafe would have given cars to each of the others. it's real easy to say if it isn't really happening to you. he may think he would be 'honorable', but i have to wonder 'what if?' had he won the challenge.
i also was surprised that rafe and steph thought exactly the opposite of what i would have expected out of each of them!
lydia has never faired well in challenges, but she keeps on ticking after taking a licking. she does a lot of the wood gathering and cooking. i liked rafe better a couple of episodes back. if danni wins, it will be another under the radar win. (i still can't believe jenna, who sunbathed and stripped as her only contributions, won over matt who almost singlehandedly fed the tribe!) i liked steph better tonight, almost as much as i liked her last season, but i still feel kind of so-so about someone coming back and being able to win it all. at this point, it's lydia or rafe for me, but if rafe goes much further down on my likeability chart, it will be lydia all the way! i think i could be friends with lydia. she is pretty easy going and laughs a lot. i'll bet she's a kick in her real life.

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 11:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willsfan a private message Print Post    
<<"Why do they all think Lydia doesn't deserve to win?">> Who knows?
I have never figured out why some of the survivors figure they deserve to win more than the others. It's the same way in the Big Brother house, every HG thinks they deserve to win more than the others.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 1:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Tishala said:

quote:

I also thought that the "give up your car to give the others one of their own" was a classic Survivor McGuffin...



Yup. In S6, Matt won a visit from his Mom as a Reward and he chose to give it up to let the rest of the tribe get a visit from their loved ones. Because he did that, Jeff rewarded him with a trip to a village feast -- with his Mom.

I guess Cindy didn't see that episode. Who knows what Jeff would have given her if she chose to give up the car.

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 2:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
I like to think I would have given up the car, all strategizing aside. I know some people say, "It's a game, it's different," but I'm of the belief that competitions like this reveal character.

Rafe is my first choice, followed closely by Danni (I think she's contributed a lot, both physically and in terms of strategy). Lydia is my third choice; she's got more spirit than anyone. I would hate to see Steph win, and honestly, I don't know how she could, as she's alienated pretty much every jury member.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 5:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
I think I would have kept the car and am glad Cindy did too. These people are playing for a million dollars and their gratitude to Cindy would soon pass (witness Stephany going with her to the feast and then voting her out). I liked Rafe better before this episode. Go Lydia

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 6:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Tish, I hadn't thought about that!! You are gooood!!!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I think Lydia is my first choice. She really has survived against all odds. Especially the fact that she's really not had any *real* foodl, poor thing.

I'm not a Danni fan (not sure why, can't put finger on it, just not a fan). I've also not really been a Rafe fan (again, not sure why). And I really don't like how he's been playing/acting the past coupla weeks.

I do think whoever wins the final IC will take Stephenie, if she's still there. Unless the jury votes opposite of what I think, she doesn't have any votes from the jury. She had her chance once; I doubt if they'll give it to her.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure I see Lydia winning that final and oh-so-important IC. I suspect Lydia will go out next, and the F3 will be D/R/S. I hope not, but that's what I suspect.

I haven't watched last night's show yet, and I want to thank everyone for spoiling, especially Regee! Great job! Have a BELLINI!!!

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
Don't get me started on why MATT should have won that Survivor!!! Didn't he win the car, too? I was so mad he didn't win!!!

There was no guarantee that Cindy would have won had she not taken the car, but from a strategy standpoint, I would have thought to give it away as to at least buy me some time w/o getting voted off. She was a goner after not getting immunity.

It's funny how some people liked Steph better this last show since I've been neutral on her up until now and she really bugged me last night! LOL Figures!

At this point, I'd like to see Rafe & Danni in final 2. Steph is now bugging me and as much as I like Lydia and she's doing her best around camp, I still like to see a winner who was a contender by winning competitions during their time there, not someone who has been taken along since they were thought not to be a threat. I guess we'll see come Sunday!

Holly
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06-19-2005

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Danni for the win! And please, let Steph be the next one to be snuffed.

Landi
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07-29-2002

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
all the survivors on that jury said - they thought matt was crazy! and then jenna started winning the immunities at the end. although i agree that matt should have won it.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
I may be slow and this has already been discussed but it just dawned on me that the reason Steph had no problem with Cindy keeping the car is because the minute Cindy made the decision to keep the car, Steph made the decision that Cindy would be the next to go. Otherwise, I think Danni would have gone last night and Cindy next week.

Secrey50
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09-15-2005

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Secrey50 a private message Print Post    
Why did Judd look so pleased that Cindy was kicked out. She was the only one that didn't vote for him wasn't she?

643urout
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11-30-2005

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 8:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 643urout a private message Print Post    
I think he was smilling at what she said about her car as her tourch was being snuffed.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 8:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
I agree with Iheartkaysar & Teachmichigan.

I could honestly see Rafe giving the cars as strategy...because I would.

Stephen....please, please, please let her be the next one getting the boot.

Rafe or Danni to win would make me a happy camper...or even Lydia...just NOT Stephenie.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
Cindy knew she was done even if she had given the cars away, since she wasn't in on the Judd boot. IIRC, the price of the car added to the prize for 5th place is equivilant to the 3rd place finisher's prize...so unless she felt she could get 3rd or better, it was the smart move.

Sheilaree
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07-19-2002

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 9:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sheilaree a private message Print Post    
I agree with Cindy, it is a game, and she should at least get something out of it if she couldn't win the game. Do you think they would have voted for her even if she gave them the cars I don't think so. I was wondering why Judd looked so happy about Cindy getting kicked off, and I forgot they "jury" supposelly don't talk to each other plez.

Webchiq
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07-11-2005

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Webchiq a private message Print Post    
Judd loved what Cindy said, "I'll think of you as I look at the stars through the sunroof on my new car."