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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 9:43 am
I don't think that I would tell an unnecessary lie, Costa. I'm an incredibly honest person in my everyday life and I wouldn't see that changing to that degree. I'm not saying I wouldn't lie at all...but I think my dishonesty would be more likely to fall in the "lie of omission" or in simply misleading people, than in a straight out lie. I can understand why Judd told that lie, but that is not something I could have done. It is all about one's personal morals & ethics. I was brought up around a lot of dishonesty and it just pushed me in the direction of almost pathological honesty (something my ex-boyfriend gave me all kinds of grief about. It isn't just the not lying, but I'm the kind of person who will always go back to a store and let them know they have undercharged me, so that I can pay what I owe them. That always get very strange looks from Customer Service.). The funny thing being while I rarely lie, I am quite a good liar and manage to be very convincing when I do. (There was a time when I lied a lot more than I do now.)
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 9:51 am
I guess I ought to say... I would probably lie, white lie, or lie by omission. But I would never outright, for no reason, lie as Judd did. I don't have a problem with lying within the game. I have a problem with intentionally lying for no real reason. (Being disingenuous doesn't count as a reason! <grin>)
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 11:40 am
I agree Costa.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 3:01 pm
This is what I got out of the Gary Jamie conversation - Gary knows that Stephanie, not Jamie, is running the show and she has the votes with or without Jamie. He basically told Jamie that he didn't want to vote for Jamie, but if they came to him and told him that they were voting for Jamie, then he was going to vote for Jamie because he knew that he was not in a position of power and he wasn't going to make enemies of the people in control, so he could stay in the game as long as possible. I think that Jamie perfectly understood him, but it still pissed Jamie off. I think Jamie reasoned that he wasn't really lying when he told them that Gary said he would vote for him because Gary had said he would if the others told him they were. I think Jamie is smarter than Stephanie and others are giving him credit for. I think that after talking to Gary, Jamie KNEW his number was up and he was just trying some last minute pot stirring, hoping that they would turn on Gary if he made it sound like Gary had given away their plan to oust Jamie.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 4:27 pm
I hope so, Az. I hope he's smarter than I thought. I do think he's smart enuf to realize he's been a total idiot and, had he not won immunity, would've probably walked.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 4:34 pm
Yeah, I think it's funny that they keep talking about Jamie being paranoid, but can you call him paranoid when people really are talking about voting him off? Stephanie has talked behind his back about voting him off for the last 3 weeks.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 3:04 am
This clip from the website is interesting: http://video.cgi.cbs.com/vplayer/timeplay2.pl?type=ram&id=16907 It shows Gary working on Steph and Rafe. He did tell them that he knows Judd was lying (but his reason was that he saw Judd looking up at the trees). Steph and Rafe also think that Jaime misheard Gary or is up to no good, because before he talked to Jaime, Gary had just told both of them that he would vote with the group.
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 8:48 pm
In the voting last thursday, who voted for cindy? and why?
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Ajed
Member
11-08-2005
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 10:03 pm
Gary voted for Cindy -- I think it was so he didn't ruffle Steph's feathers
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 12:04 pm
I think that Jamie deliberately made up the lie about Gary. Jamie is only concerned about himself and knows that he is on tenuous ground with his tribemates. He is going to do anything he can to keep himself around.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 1:01 pm
I also believe that Jamie deliberately lied about Gary. I think he knew perfectly well what Gary meant, and was just stirring up bad feelings toward Gary. It seemed that at first, Bobby Jon was the choice to go. But if he got immunity or found the idol, Jamie wanted to be sure there was an alternate choice. If Gary won immunity or found the idol, they still had Bobby Jon. The editing made it seem they had changed to Gary, but who knows. Jamie has to know that the rest like Gary better than they do him. The only reason he has not already gone is because he is "part of the team." They had the numbers to vote out Jamie and still have the majority if they wanted to. Jamie was walking a thin line. I am not too sure they would not have voted him out if he had not won immunity. Once Gary or Bobby Jon was gone, they can vote out Jamie and still have the numbers with a margin. They no longer need Jamie. He is going to do everything in his power to turn the group against Gary. I was pretty sure Gary had found the idol, because when he came back to came, he had his right hand behind his leg and there was definitely something in it. I said at that point he had it. Good going Gary!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 4:17 pm
Hey Allie. I noticed the way he was kinda holding his hand to the side, or in his pocket. And I figured that was when he'd found the mini idol, too!
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