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Watching2
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07-07-2001

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
Ok, I was wondering what he was smirking at! I wonder if the jury gets to "talk" about what has transpired because if Judd can get Cindy going, her questions might be tough for her prior "alliance." I'm sure no one is going to give it to them as good as Judd. That would make seeing Steph in the finals fun...even though I don't want her there.

Justfun
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11-08-2005

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Justfun a private message Print Post    
I only saw part of Cindy's interview on The Early Show, but she was asked who is "in charge" at camp? Cindy's response was something like, "...Rafe. He is smart making it look like it is Stephanie". I wonder if that information will somehow make it to the jury members before voting?

Yesitsme
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08-24-2004

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 11:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yesitsme a private message Print Post    
Oh, I would have given them the car....I'm with Rafe, 4 people get a car if I don't, then let them have it (though not sure I would be as open about it as he was.) If you don't win yourself doing that, the winner would be a complete jerk if they didn't buy you a car with their winnings (didn't we learn with Colby/Tina that you can give things, just not money?) I think that was Cindy's million dollar mistake. I don't blame them at all for voting her out. Cindy got a bit too cocky...she forgot who was doing the voting!

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Yes, the thing is unless Cindy got the rest of the ICs, there was no way she would have made it to F2.

Spitfire
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07-18-2002

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spitfire a private message Print Post    
I thought last nights episode revealed that it is not Stephanie who makes decisions about what happens in the tribe, it's actually Rafe at this point. She seemed to go along with what the tribe was doing like most people tend to do if they want to stay around.

I loved Cindys comment at the end about the looking at the stars through her moon roof. LOL!

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 1:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Stephanie didn't decide that Cindy had to go last night. Rafe started that ball rolling and Stephanie had to go along with the others. I know I'm in the minority here but I want Stephanie to win. She deserves it just as much as any other player, yeah she was on last year, so what she still has to go through the same thing as the others. Also, do people really think that she begged to be on this Survivor? Should she have said no when they asked her to be on this season, I know I would have said no but that is because I'm not into that kind of suffering.
I liked Cindy's reason for taking Steph on the reward, she came in 2nd.
At this point, I don't care who wins because I like them all, but I'm rooting for Steph again.
Judd is a sore loser.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I have to continue...
Steph stood up for Cindy's decision by telling Rafe she would have done the same thing, that's honesty and in my book is worth much, also she continued by telling Rafe that Cindy actually felt bad about the decision.
Cindy's biggest error was that she kept talking about it and maybe that was her way of trying to make herself feel better but the result was that she annoyed the heck out ot some of the others.
Rafe disappointed me a bit for going on about the car thing but I felt the same as he did about it.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I think Rafe going on and on about the car thing was just politicking instead of legitimate kvetching. He saw a weakness and he went for it...and it worked. I think he's a very smart, subtle, charming player. He knows how to play his cards. At least so far.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I'm not so sure about the charming part, Tish! I'm not seeing charm. I'm seeing snake in the grass... :-)

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Even snakes can be charming. Remember Eve?

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Nope. Just watched the ep. Not a fan of Rafe's at all. He is a snake. And he lied to Steph; the reason why he wanted to vote out Cindy was cause he promised Danni F3. He was just saving his own arse. And yes, he's won the most challenges and is the biggest threat. Nice diversion, but still not a fan.

Holly
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06-19-2005

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 3:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Rafe seems like a reasonably nice guy but I'd never call him charming either. He's too geeky and at times "girlish", which I'm not sure is somewhat of an act.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 4:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
let me just add my usual comment to the episode, cant stand "I don't have a car and should win a car" Stephanie and I hope she doesnt win.

Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 7:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Starshine40 a private message Print Post    
I know Danni promised Rafe that if she won F3 that she would take him to F2. But I didn't hear him promise Danni the same thing. Anyone hear that for sure?

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
Maybe giving the 4 others would have bought her a week but she knew unless she had immunity this week or next,there was a good chance she was gone! 2 people agreed that they didn't blame her! I may be selfish but I'd be enjoying my new car LOL.Also I've got a sneaky feeling we will be surprised at one of the ones that make it to the final 2, just going by a comment I heard jeff say on a show tonight!

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 8:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
To bad we are just now seeing that Rafe has masterminded the eviction of each of his former alliance and pinned it on Steph. Last nights episode made that the most clear that we have seen yet. I'll jump on the "Rafe is a snake" bandwagon...

It's good game play on his part and too bad the jury won't realize it till it's to late. Rafe knows that each of the Jury is upset with Steph, because of how he's played it out and entirely overlooking him. It's a good stratagary, but only if you make F2 and Rafe won't.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 9:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Rafe has a good chance to win all the remaining IC's. He got rid of all the other guys LOL. He must figure he can beat the girls.

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 10:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
I think the plan (from Danni, Rafe and Lydia) was to evict Stephenie, but then she won the IC. The three of them kind of looked at each other strangely after she won.

I think Rafe and Danni have played extremely well. And Lydia. She didn't panic, she didn't "go Jamie" when she knew her head was on the chopping block. By staying calm, she gave someone else the chance to make a mistake and be eliminated. While I'm still cheering for Rafe, I'd be fine with a Danni or Lydia win. Just not Stephenie!

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 12:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
I thought Rafe told Danni he'd take her F2...maybe it's wishful thinking on my part but I thought he said that Thursday night.

Get Stephenie out next...go Rafe & Danni!

Spear
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08-06-2001

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 5:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
I'm pretty sure we saw Rafe promise Danni F3 only, not F2. Steph and Rafe have been together since the start so I don't think Rafe will ditch Steph if he has a choice. Besides, Steph might be a better F2 partner because she has more enemies than Danni.

In her interviews, Cindy has been saying that Rafe was the mastermind and Steph was the scapegoat, so at least one person on the jury knows who's really pulling the strings.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I dont think Rafe will have a problem ditching Stephanie. She dumped Judd after he gave her his reward challenge, same thing with Cindy. Stephanie has no allegiance to anyone and I am sure Rafe has figured that one out.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I saw Rafe promise Danni the finals, and that's why I made my comment up above. He promised Danni but neglected to let Steph know that's why he really wanted Cindy out. Well, that, plus she was a better competitor. She came in 2nd in quite a few of the challenges that Rafe won.

Rafe is a snake. He would have no problem ditching Steph at the first opportunity. However, I think he's gonna realize he may not win against Danni and, since he's managed to poison the jury pool against Steph, Steph is his best bet at winning this thing. She also has only just won her first challenge, so he may not perceive her as that much of a threat.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
Ahh but Judd is only pissed because it happened to him first. That's where this whole Rafe scapegoat plan has gone wrong. Rafe is betting his whole lot on the hope that he's next to Steph in the finals. Steph will make F2. Question is: Will it be Danni or Rafe that takes her.

And since when does allegiance have anything to do with this game.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 1:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
Noooo...God...I'd prefer to see Lydia win it over Steph...here's hoping everyone's theories are incorrect! ;)

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
I am always for the older woman or the gay guy, so I am OK with either Lydia or Rafe.
Call me prejudiced, but those are always my choices.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
Hey RB! Good to see ya around!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 5:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I thought Rafe and Danni were promising to be final two together. I vaguely remember one telling the other something like "i'd even take you if I thought you'd get more votes than me". Of course, I could be hallucinating again. :-)

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
Hi ya Nick! :-)

Well Karuuna...you and I are sharing the same hallucination!

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
I don't see Rafe as a snake, just a smart player. He may not be announcing that he's in charge, but he's not pretending he isn't in on the voting out of members of his former alliance. He's always had misgivings about his alliance. He's taking advantage of opportunities, but still treating the other players with respect. That's where he differs from Steph or Judd, as examples. I think the same can be said of Danni. She's played hard, but does it in a quiet, non-bullying manner. Although this season didn't start off well, IMO, I'm loving the latter part of it. Tomorrow night will be fun!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 7:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I just re-watched the show and I only saw Danni promise Rafe the final two. They did not show Rafe promise Danni any more than final three (not that he didn't do it, but I don't think they showed it).

I am enjoying this season. IMO it is definitely one of the better ones.

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kaili a private message Print Post    
I like it too....too bad the finale is being aired here after the Packer game. The Packer game will likely go until 10:30 or 11:00 and I'm sure they'll still do the post-game wrap up news stuff so the show won't be starting until super, super late.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I like the way Rafe is playing the game. The motto is to outplay, outwit, and outlast your opponents. Isn't that what he is doing?

I have never understood the attidude that lying, manipulating or plotting is somehow dishonorable in Survivor. In real life, yes, but this is a game. Those things are not only permissable, the game is so structured that they are necessary. You can't win without it.

Once you have entered into an alliance or agreed to vote someone out, you have manipulated and plotted. And if it is a secret alliance, you have lied at least by omission, if not by commission. And if you agree to vote out someone in your own alliance then you have betrayed, whether you instigated the move or not. It is not being a "snake in the grass, it is playing the game."

I also find it amusing that someone is condemned for doing something to "save their own arse." Excuse me, but is that not what they are suppose to do? Are they supposed to throw themselves in front of the train to save someone else, so that person can win the million bucks? I don't think so. Everyone who has ever voted "with the tribe" to vote someone out has done so to "save their own arse."

It has never bothered me when the survivors lie, plot, and manipulate the others. Those are the master players. It is how the game is set up.

What makes me dislike a player is the personality shown in the on camera talks. I don't like it when they try to play the innocent who has never lied, plotted, manipulated, or betrayed anyone. It is OK to use that on their fellow players, but don't try it on the viewers. We see too much.

I also don't like bullies. Jamie and Judd are probably really nice guys in real life, but in the game they were just in over their heads and their frustrations caused them to act like jerks. I would have had more respect for them if they had manipulated rather than bullid.

I did not like Step because of her whining and sense of entitlement early in the game, but I did respect her because I thought she was playing a strong game. But the last few weeks, she has been so out manipulated by Rafe, Danni, and Lydia that I have lost respect for her.

Danni has been stronger than I thought she would be and Lydia has kept her head throughout the game and gave no one a real reason to oust her. I really like the way they set Judd up last week by getting him to talk too much and turn Step against him and the way they manipulated Step into doing so.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I like the subtle manipulations done with finess. I think that is the way the game should be played. In other ways, the best players are those who can lie, manipulate, plot, and betray without getting caught.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
Rafe and Danni are good chess players...they always seem to be a step or two ahead of the rest.

Lydia is nice but I believe is riding coattails.

Steph...um...no comment.