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Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jolanda was on Ulong.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I like your idea Schoolmarm!

I don't understand what they are trying to achieve by not merging the teams...or at least try dividing them equally.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think maybe the lack of merge this season is just to change things up. I think we have come to DEPEND on the merge, and they just wanted to throw in a twist. Now, I may not agree with the twist, but it's a break from what we "expect".

I don't think putting the 2 remaining Ulong on a mini-team would do them any good either. I think it would UP their chances of being booted first. Sure their mini-team members would use them to win a team immunity, but the full Koror bond would still be stronger. The only way I could see this working is if BOTH Steph and BJ go on a mini-team with an equal number of Koror members. And even then it's a long shot.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think that the best chance (and it's a very slim chance) the Ulong people have of winning is if they keep that tribes the same and keep fighting it out. That way at least they can help each other out and win immunity as a team. I’d like to see them fight it out till the end. I don’t think a merge at this point will really work.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 7:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Do the producers make the decision when or if to merge before the game begins? Do they ever go with a sort of "if this happens we do this or if that happens we do something else?" I wonder if when Ulong began to lose every immunity challenge, the producers decided to just let it go to see how far it would go. I have felt all along that after they reached the normal merge point, if Ulong had won a challege, the merge would have occured, but since they did not they decided to play it out to the end. Does any of this make sense?

I too wonder how they would vote anyone off when there are only two people left. Would have to be a pick of the draw type of thing or letting the other team choose.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 7:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I seem to remember that the first "switch" was during Survivor Africa, when the young crew were just picking off the old crew, so they had three of each team go meet, and all of a sudden they were trading buffs. I remember an interview with Jeff at the time, about how the producers saw this "picking off" was happening, and that they decided to mess with it.

I could see the producers planning NO MERGE before the season starts. But then, I have no clue how that would end up when there are only teams of 2 or 3 left. MERGE has been in every season, so it would be neat to see no merge. If it wasn't planned, perhaps the string of losses to Ulong prompted the producers to give it a shot.


Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 7:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I suspect that they make some of these decisions as they go. Some people might consider this to be unfair, but I think that it is all part of the contract that the producers can do whatever they want.

Roppiepie
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05-06-2004

Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 7:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Some other Survivor addict once told me, "You have to begin watching the show knowing that it is already over. Post-production gets the film and the editors weave a story." Of course it is edited for a maximum of drama with a heaping helping of humor and shmaltz thrown in for good measure.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 11:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I know from a fan site that all of the challenges and their order are decided from the start, as they have to be built etc. Other than that, I guess they can merge when they want, or make those "tribal council" decisions (like Koror giving immunity to someone) throughout the game.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Monday, April 04, 2005 - 4:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't really think the producers make things up as they go. I believe if this was true, they certainly would have intervened (done a switch or mixed up the tribes) sometime during Ulong's self destruction.

I once read that all the twists and challenges are all planned out before the show starts so that the show will truly reflect the decisions and gameplay of the contestants. I don't see any reason not to believe them.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Monday, April 04, 2005 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kep, I have heard the same all along--including from Jeff at various times over the seasons.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, April 04, 2005 - 11:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Although the challenges are planned well in advance, they do have "backup" challenges in case something goes wrong (production difficulties). John Kierhoffer (sp?), the guy who designs the challenges, was interviewed over the phone on the last Survivor Live and he mentioned this. I think he said one of this season's challenges was originally a backup but I forget which one.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Monday, April 04, 2005 - 3:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought I read a thread here, somewhere, where Jeff Probst indicated that they had "plans" made depending on what happpened at each immunity challenge -- like if Team K has 3 voted out and Team U has 1 voted out....However, I have NO idea where I saw that thread -- maybe someone else can find it or will know who posted it.


Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 4:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Teach...are you sure that was Survivor or BB?

Crzndeb
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07-26-2004

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 8:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Since I read spoilers, I'm really enjoying everbody's thoughts on what is going to happen. I know that spoilers aren't always accurate, but I think some people will be quite surprised.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 11:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Pretty sure it was Survivor - -I haven't read a BB thread in months! :-) He said they planned out each challenge (have to in order to get them ready) and they also made plans based on "what if" -- like what if one team wins all the reward challenges (how would they make sure the other team got fire?), or what if one team wins all the immunity challenges. I may be wrong but I think it's a form of storyboarding where you make plans as much as possible to account for all the myriad of outcomes that might occur. I'll see if I can pull up the article - -but I'm sure it was Jeff Probst, so it had to be about Survivor.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 11:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe this was the post that made me think this way. Bob2112 had this posted on March 16:
"In past seasons, Jeff Probst has stated that there were different twists planned depending on how the numbers in the tribes went. For example, in Survivor Amazon, they were able to split the teams evenly into 3 guys and 3 girls using alternating picks because each team had lost 2 members. If it was uneven, they may have swapped players in a different manner (like standing on a disk with a new colored buff beneath it).

With 9 per team this season, they had to plan for what they would do if one team won the first 4 immunity challenges and was ahead 9-5. If they did a normal immunity, they run the risk of the advantage becoming 9-4 and that really messes up the sitting out of players for reward and immunity. You almost have to merge if you let that happen.

By getting rid of a player from each tribe, they guarantee 9-5 turns into 8-4 and they can go at least another week with 4 sitting out reward and the other 4 sitting out immunity. If it gets to 8-3, then they can merge at 11, which is not too different then the more common merge at 10 players."

It seems to make sense that the producers actively plan for "what ifs" so maybe my brain twisted that into seeing it in this post which I remembered as an article (and it's clearly not). Can I claim Early Onset Senility?? LOL


Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I seen a commercial for this weeks Survivor during the Amazing Race.

It appears there is no merge this week.

There probably was going to be a merge, but Ulong just never gave them a chance.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 4:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
But Teach, it doesn't look like the producers did such a good job of planning this year. I believe the current stance is 8-2?

I don't know where Bob got the info, but I remember Jeff saying just the opposite. I'd be interested in reading a Jeff Probst article saying either one or the other. I'll have to do some research...

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Let me know if you find anything! :-) I'm in the middle of grading 40 research papers, so with all the "fact verification" I'm doing there, I won't have much time to look for proof about what Jeff did or didn't say. (Bummer, too, the latter sounds like MUCH more fun! LOL)