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Ep. 13 - It Could All Backfire

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Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Gender lines are drawn as one group hatches a plan to vote off the Survivor who doesn't win Immunity.

One Survivor feels betrayed when the winner of a Challenge chooses a different tribemate to enjoy the Reward.

Going into Tribal Council, one Survivor holds the power and is torn between an alliance and a friendship. Which way will the vote swing?

Alaginger
Member

07-11-2002

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 6:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
JP: Next time on Survivor...
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Caryn: I don't really have a deal with Tom.
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Katie: We know you have a deal with Tom.
JP: ...the women compare notes.
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Jenn: Katie just cleaned house.

JP: Ian and Katie have a blow out.
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Katie: You said you would never lie to me and you did. You didn't even think about how that was going to make me feel to have you go against your word.
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Ian: If you want me to step out, I mean I'll do it.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 7:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Look at how Caryn has her eyes looking down and to the left. Those are classic signs of lying.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sounds like Ian made some plans to boot Tom without telling Katie. The phrase, step out, has got to be to an agreement. Nothing else.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Am I correct in believing that Caryn was not part of the original alliance? If so, maybe that's what Katie is upset about - that Caryn was brought in without being consulted first. And Ian is offering to help get rid of her.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 8:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Correct. We are saying the same thing. If Caryn were brought in that would mean she is not the next boot which has been the plan all along. So it appears that Ian changed his plan to boot Caryn without telling Katie. Who he changed to is curious. Would he dare want to boot his buddy Tom? Probably not but I see no advantage to booting Jen.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 9:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
One Survivor feels betrayed when the winner of a Challenge chooses a different tribemate to enjoy the Reward.

I think this is the Katie/Ian fight.

Remember how Ian said he was taking Katie on the Cruise if he won? I think he probably tells Katie that he'll take her before this reward and then he takes Tom instead, because Katie just got the last reward. She's mad that he "betrayed" her.

Ugh...


Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Katie is being edited (or is really giving these sound bites) to appear to have this sense of ENTITLEMENT - like she is the best deserving to win Survivor.
Honey, you are just damn lucky that Tom & Ian & Gregg kept you all from having to go to tribal council as a tribe long ago - or your butt might have been booted before the merge (early alliance be damned).
I agree with you, OnlyHuman, sounds like she is jealous of Ian & Tom, and that can be dangerous for either of them (if she can convince Caryn to turn on the boys).

'squeek'

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 9:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Onlyhuman. Bingo! That is it. The remark "step out" fits here. Odd that they do not take off for the reward directly from the challenge. Usually there is no time for a discussion like this.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Whew. Glad some of y'all figured out what "step out" means. I was kinda scared. Yep, it makes absolute sense if Ian is offering to step out of going on the reward because Katie thinks she was promised.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 8:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
VO> Two Survivor episodes to go...
VO> New strategies emerge...
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Ian> Tom is strong...
Tom> The only thing now is to threaten her...
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Katie> If you wanna play that way, then all bets are off
VO> One Survivor is about to crack..
Katie> You promised me that you would never lie to me and you did yesterday. I lost my best friend out here...the closest thing I had to family.
VO> And two critical challenges, will determine...
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JP> Ohhhh Noooo
VO> ...who makes it to the Final Four
VO> Don't miss a new Survivor Thursday, and the CBS Finale Sunday

(Sorry - I messed up the pic)
Jenn responds to the Red Chevy Corvette reward challenge prize
(Sorry - I messed up the pic)
Ian and Tom neck and neck for the car
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Smiling Ian .... speculation is Ian wins car!!!

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Layout of Immunity Challenge.
Looks to be balancing on rope paths made up of square and round stepping places. Cross over once, twice or more times to pick up puzzle pieces. Puzzle stand can be seen to the right in one of these pictures.
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Tom returning as Caryn goes the other way...is she ahead, or is he ahead?
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Looks like Tom falls (which is probably where the picture of JP saying "Oh No" fits in.
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CBS Misdirection pictures are trying to make it look like Jenn wins II, but I think Tom wins. Why do I think that? My speculation --- Caryn is speculated to leave this week. Katie would love to get Tom out of the way and with Immunity, she can't go there. So, a deal is probably stuck which catches Caryn in the crossfire!

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
3a
Jenn responds to the reward of red Chevy Corvette
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Ian and Tom neck and neck for the car

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Ginger!! You always bring the best stuff here!

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Ginger!

My thinking on immunity and Caryn supposedly leaving.

Tom> The only thing now is to threaten her...

This quote implies that Tom or Ian is in danger.
If Jenn wins immunity, then Katie may be with the girls and trying to target Tom. But then Tom and Ian come up with the plan to threaten Katie with Caryn, saying that Caryn has sided with Tom and will again and does she really want to rely on Caryn's vote? Faced with the possibility of going home, Katie blinks once again in the game of chicken and votes off Caryn.

This could also be true if Ian or Tom wins immunity, but I would think that they would target Jenn in that case, so the fact that Caryn is the supposed boot this round makes me think that Jenn pulls out a miracle immunity win.

Egbok
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07-13-2000

Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 10:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Ginger! I love this stuff you bring here for us to speculate on...yay Ginger!!

Here's an observation. In the Immunity Challenge pic, Jeff is wearing a dark blue shirt which has two pockets on the front. In the pic where he has his arms up indicating "the winner", his shirt is green and I only see one front pocket, plus he's standing in sunshine in front of the Survivor sign, wearing a hat in that pic.

And what do you guys think the other end of the rope course is all about? I see a type of net? and a green looking square thing. And come to think of it, in the pictures, I don't see any of them carrying anything, coming or going.

Any thoughts?




Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 1:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow, Eggie! Good observation skills!

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 9:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks a bunch, Ginger!

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Monday, May 09, 2005 - 7:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yea Eggie ... I think the picture with the green shirt must be for the winning of the car at the Reward Challenge. CBS Misdirection has it coming up in the previews right after the pictures of Katie doing so great, so I thought they were trying to mislead us that Katie wins II, but they were even misleading us more by having the wrong picture of Jeff in the wrong spot, to boot!

I'm still trying to figure out what those things are on the far left side of the II challenge. I see the platform where they start with the tables behind them, and I see platforms on the other side of the rope walks, but further are some shiny, rectangle things that look to be under water. I don't get that at all.
There are a few more pictures up today and a couple of them definitely show Katie falling off the rope walk. Hubby is on the other machine, so I can't get the pictures, tweak them, and upload them until later.

I've been looking at the CBS clues this week and I think I might have it figured out. AGain, only speculation on my part:
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Gender lines are drawn as one group hatches a plan to vote off the Survivor who doesn't win Immunity. I think this means the three girls form an alliance and decide to vote out whichever one of the guys doesn't win immunity.

One Survivor feels betrayed when the winner of a Challenge chooses a different tribemate to enjoy the Reward. I think Ian wins the car and an overnight getaway and takes Tom with him and Katie is PO'd.

Going into Tribal Council, one Survivor holds the power and is torn between an alliance and a friendship. Which way will the vote swing? I think Katie is the swing vote. If Tom has won the II, then the vote from the girls would be against Ian. Ian has been her friend all along, and she goes against the all-girl alliance and votes with the guys to boot Caryn.



Egbok
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07-13-2000

Monday, May 09, 2005 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yea Ginger...........I agree with your take in red. It makes sense to me that Ian's frame of mind in winning RC would be that Katie got to go last time with Gregg and Jen, therefore, he takes Tom.

And the pictures showing Ian so dejected by Katie's outburst, is probably after coming back with Tom from RC and discovering that Katie has aligned with the girls and that Tom or Ian is next to be VO.

Ginger, another great job in bringing us this delightful stuff!! Thank you sooooo much!!


Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Monday, May 09, 2005 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Good work, Ginger!

Now here is just something I was thinking of. IF Ian is really 6'8" tall and IF he wins the car, he is not going to fit in it. His head will be uncomfortably hitting the ceiling. Legroom in a Corvette is okay, but headroom is not. On the other hand, he is young and might be able to contort his posture for the thrill of driving it.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, May 09, 2005 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think he might make the sacrifice...and maybe there's a sun roof!

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Monday, May 09, 2005 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
(LOL) Maybe that's why he has to take Tom with him, and Ian folds up and lays down for the ride...........(chuckle)

Scout
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01-20-2005

Monday, May 09, 2005 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for posting all this Ginger. It's really interesting.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, May 09, 2005 - 3:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A sunroof actually results in less headroom, but a convertible...



Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 3:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Supposedly this is the car that Ian wins.
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Here's the 4 pictures showing Katie falling that I promised you. Notice that Caryn is having a bit of trouble in the middle also, but Katie and Tom look good at this point.
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Here are two more pictures showing something to do with hanging on to ropes, and Survivor Fever seems to think this also fits in with the II and also puzzle solving.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 6:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Here's the link to Garbotalk again...a really good read. I so look forward to that each week.

http://www.survivorfever.net/s10_predictions_garbotalk_ep13.html

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 6:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Ging!!! When I tell you that you are Da Bomb - you are like "Off the Charts Da Bomb!!!" You totally rock.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
ditto on the explosives.

Egbok
Member

07-13-2000

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 8:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yup....

Ginger rocks!! Thanks for this excellent read!! I really enjoyed it!!


Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OMG.. Ging... not only are you Off the Charts Da Bomb - you are also my neighbor. Every now and then I tend to peruse profiles and today was your lucky day for profile-perusing. I work downtown and live on the Westbank.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 6:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Guys .... this is my week for being made to feel very special ...... Mother's Day, Club Activities, and now the accolades here. WOW!!!

Lexie .... Close, but not close enough to reach out and touch someone (sounds like a slogan for a well-known company). There's that really big ole Lake Pontchartrain between us (LOL). I see you are still a whipper-snapper. Tonight I went to hear a 5th and 6th grade band and chorale concert because my 11 year old grandson plays drums. He really rocked them (if you know the song). So, you can see it has been a long time since anybody could call me a whipper snapper....and that's why I have the time to hunt up this stuff for you guys and drag it over. It's caller "RETIREMENT!!!".....

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 7:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ginger has been ROCKING for years!!! Love her!

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, May 13, 2005 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If you call 46-years-old as being a young whipper snapper, I'll take it!!!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, May 13, 2005 - 11:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ginger always ROCKS!!

Man, when Katie fell, she just looked so, um, plump! She must be eating lots o coconuts..