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Maris
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03-28-2002

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 5:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yep Tom was very good at saying he was lied to by everyone.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 5:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sorry, I should have said that Tom *thought* Gregg and Jen were betraying him. He was told that, and that's why he voted off Gregg, right? I think Tom honestly believed that Gregg was going to vote him off, and didn't just try to lay the blame elsewhere.

In his mind, he wasn't betraying Gregg, since he thought Gregg had secretly broken their final five deal.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 6:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
But weren't Greg and Jen betraying him?

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 6:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lurkin, I think that early on in the game they showed Katie doing a sock puppet skit for her tribe and everyone was laughing. I thought it was funny at the time, but can't pull it out of my memory now to save my soul. I don't know why they only showed us one time that she was a comedian, and instead, generally showed her to be sniping and whining (IMO). Maybe it was just editing, since villans are generally more fun to watch or something, ya know?

Gosh, I just never really found anyone to root for other than Steph this time. The finale was not that exciting for me, but I still love Survivor and miss it already...bring on Big Brother!!!!!!!!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 8:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
As I recall, when Gregg won immunity and took Katie and Jen, they agreed it was them to the final three (Katie flipped on Ian/Tom).

At that point there were six left, and Caryn was supposed to be the next to go, leaving the alliance of five. However, this three group (Jen, Gregg & Katie) agreed to vote Tom off IF Caryn won immunity. When Ian wins immunity, they decide to go with voting Caryn off.

But Caryn and Ian were spending their time convincing Tom that Katie could not be trusted, and that she was flipping to Gregg & Jen and wanted Tom off (which was true!). So Tom, Ian, Caryn decide to vote off Gregg and force the tie.

So, as I see it, Tom really believed that Katie had flipped, and also that Gregg and Jen were gunning for him as well (which they were). However, they were going to keep him to final five, as promised. They only agreed to vote him off if Caryn (no. 6) won immunity.

Although it was also clear that they were then going for Tom at the first opportunity. The real flipper here was Katie. The one who screamed and ranted the most about other people flipping.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 11:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jimmer, how do you figure that Gregg and Jenn betrayed Tom? Their deal was for F5 only and they stuck to that deal by voting for Caryn. They had no deal to just quietly accept being 4th and 5th. They had no deal not to try and flip Katie.

Karuuna, I don't agree that Tom thought he was going before Caryn at F6. Ian convinced him to break the F5 deal because Ian thought that Katie had flipped and they would be the minority if Caryn had been voted off. The fact that Tom would have been a target if Caryn won immunity at F6 does not count as a betrayal by Gregg and Jenn. The F5 deal would effectively be void at that point and Gregg and Jenn weren't committed to keeping Tom ahead of anyone else.

Yes, if anyone had betrayed Tom and Ian, it would be Katie. However, Tom and Ian didn't know for sure that she had flipped and Katie never really got the chance to do so. It's also not clear whether she would have really turned on Tom and Ian assuming they stuck to the plan and booted Caryn off instead of Gregg. (Remember that Tom would have probably been immune at F5 so it's not very likely that Katie would have agreed to vote Ian off.)

To be clear, I'm not saying that Tom and Ian are bad people for choosing to break their F5 deal with Gregg and Jenn. It was an excellent move but it should be seen as what it really was -- Ian and Tom (and then Katie) breaking their deal with Gregg and Jenn. Tom can't claim that he has always kept his word and he shouldn't get mad when Ian *thinks* about making the same move on him.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 4:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"...I only remember her being the bully in high school making fun of everyone, talking behind backs, pouting til you get your way. I don't remember ever being shown as funny.
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To some people, making fun of and being nasty to others is "funny". So many people do enjoy the put downs, as they see it as "all in good fun", or just as someone's "sense of humor", and anyone who doesn't see it as funny is considered humorless and needs a life. I think its a sorry comment on society's current attitudes...Look at Simon of AI...many just adore his nastiness...and of course he is only doing it for the good of others and he in no way enjoys the fame and notoriety it brings him...

Katie's only problem is she didn't have the Robfather's smile...then she too would be adored...

Cablejockey
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12-27-2001

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 5:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I absolutely agree with your comments Kep421--you said what I've been thinking, but, couldn't put into words.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for helping to clear things up. It's surprisingly complicated.

I have to say that it was a very good season!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Spear, the impression I got from that episode was that Tom understood Jen & Gregg & Katie to be plotting to get him out. And they *DID* discuss voting Tom off before Caryn. In the end they decided to stick with Caryn provided she didn't win immunity. That's what Ian and Caryn conveyed to Tom, that they had considered voting Tom off and couldn't be trusted.

That they ended up doing what they had promised is one thing - but it is also true that they had considered the other plan as well (even if Caryn didn't win immunity), so that's what was conveyed to Tom, and why he thought they might turn on him.

All of which is consistent with the post-show interviews where Tom says he was wrong to vote Gregg off, but the information he was getting from others lead him to believe he couldn't trust Gregg.

Tootseug
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05-23-2004

Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did they ever give the final vote on the show? It seems to me they stopped after 3 or 4 Toms and 1 Kat. Did they reveal the votes of ALL the voting members, and if so, what were they?
Thanks

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Only Coby voted for Katie, the rest voted Tom

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 11:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i noticed our local paper's coverage of survivor had katie listed as a 'former' executive advertiser for a radio station'. they were going back to the beginning of survivor which makes me think perhaps she wasn't working there at the time she left to go on survivor; the article seemed to indicate the 'former' was not just since being on survivor; more like it was her last job, even if were a long time ago. and no offense, but our small county does not have much need for executive advertisers for small country stations. most of our local rags and stations want 'telemarketing' types to make cold calls and solicit ads. i don't know of any small town places in our area that have a real 'executive' position in their advertising departments. maybe fresno, but not merced, a town of maybe 70,000 people.
i interviewed with some news agencies and radio stations and their advertising department staff were grunt workers, not executives.
i hope katie spends her money wisely while realizing true friendship will last longer than the dollars she got...especially after taxes. true friends do not totally tax us, although the money certainly will be! :-)
i also pray ian got over what katie refers to as his crush on her. maybe he got a good antibiotic...