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Gidget
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07-28-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
absolutely... i was thinking for all her protestations about how great a competitor she is, she seems to be a jinx.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 7:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think a woman had a chance in that competition. I just looked at my DH head and then mine. He has an inch on me and would have his nose above the water.

Steph just ended up on a less powerful team.

1 man and Katie.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 7:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Normally I feel for someone who cries, but when Steph was crying all I could think was "what a crybaby!"

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Personally, I felt that Jeff stepped over a line at this tribal council. He was very manipulative. Seems he may have picked another favorite and will attempt to keep her in the game at all costs. I've been losing respect for him for a while now, and this just sped the process up a bit.

Happygal
Member

11-15-2004

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Why didn't Tom and Ian (with Katie & Steph and possibly Janu) go after Greg and get rid of him while they have the chance? He's a big treat physically, he's got a strong alliance with Jenn, and he's trying to break-up Tom and Ian's final 4. I don't understand their thinking.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Even though I think the men had the advantage in that competition, I do think Tom's idea of making a dam around his nose with his hands would have made him the winner. Interestingly. Jeff kept telling everyone what Tom was doing, but no one tried to copy him. Maybe they couldn't hear with their ears underwater.

But it was a really bright move to win.

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
He's a big treat physically? Yeah, he's okay... LOL!!!!

Lycanthrope
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09-19-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tom, Ian, and Katie should have gotten Janu or Karen to vote off Greg. Greg seems to be the best 'player', and the most ruthless. He's the biggest threat to all the other players, except maybe Jenn, who I think he'd take to the final 2. Now it looks like Steph will try to rally the girls against the guys...but this won't work. Jenn will blab to Greg and all will be unanimous to vote out Steph next week.
My favorites are still Steph and Ian, but I think Ian has a much better chance of winning now.

Sassynegal
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01-21-2005

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't understand all the hate on Stephanie, she has worked her butt of to get here and I can see why she'd be frusterated enough to cry.

I'd pick that crying over Janu's anyday!!!

Lycanthrope
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09-19-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Totally agree, Sassy...

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have a bit of a different take on what Jeff did last night in TC. I'll admit right off the bat it's only speculation, as we can't know for sure until Jeff says his intent.

I submit that Jeff was trying to do a couple of things. First, what he tries at every TC--to get people to say things they might not want to say--that they wouldn't say just walking down the beach with everyone.

Next, I think he wanted to see in Janu would indicate in some way she did indeed want to stay--to see if he could get her goat enough to say something about wanting to continue in some fashion.

What I think he ended up doing was causing Janu to realize she had nothing left to give--or to get concerning Survivor. He may not like people quitting, however in every case when it's indicated someone is considering it, he has questioned them rather intensely to find out (there was the woman who was a wreck till the guys joined them, there was Otsen, there was Sue).

It end up being manipulative to definition--but I don't think his intent is to manipulate her to make that choice--I think it's to manipulate her to admit the choice they have made.

Janu could have answered differently when he asked if laying down your torch is the same ask asking your tribe mates to vote you out. She could have said, "no Jeff there is a bit of a difference. By asking my tribe to vote me out, I am indicating I am ok with no longer playing the game, although leaving the choice in their hands to decide if they want a weak player at their side. By quitting, I remove all control from their hands and make the choice for them who goes and who stays."

At that point, he would have said something like, "ok, now we vote".

I'm betting Stephanie would have gotten some votes--and possibly enough to have been voted off. That is what happened with that one woman who was wreck and asked her tribe to vote her off--yet they kept her.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Greg, Jen and Caryn dont know about the T/I/K/S alliance. I don't think Janu knew either and was aligned with Coby. Janu wanted out plain and simple. Steph has overcome a lot and she thought she was going because no one talked to her before TC.

Tom couldn't give away his alliance with Steph to Greg and the vote could have ended with Janu as the swing vote and showed Tom and Ians hand.

I think Tom doesn't know that Katie doesn't want Steph in either.

Past castmates said that TC can last hours.

This is all speculation on my part as I see the Koror team unfold.





Goddessatlaw
Member

07-19-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sassy, I could see Stephanie crying because she was frustrated after all that work she'd be going home when another player was essentially begging to go. Unfortunately, she decided to ridicule the player who was asking to go (and by the way, not one of the ones agitating to throw out Stephanie, and who in fact decided to go in part so Steph could stay - "hey, don't do it for me") rather than focus on the people who wanted her out. The whining and eye-rolling business pretty much sealed it for me. I'll be glad to see her go now.

Lycanthrope
Member

09-19-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Regarding Jeff's performance...

I think it's obvious that he likes Steph and wants to see her stay.(So do I)

But I also agree with Lance on just about every other point. It's his job to get the Survivors to talk, and when he hits a nerve he hammers it. I don't think he goaded or manipulated Janu into quitting, he just made her see that that is what she wanted to do.

Marej
Member

09-20-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I enjoyed Coby's facial expressions and the look he & Steph gave each other after Janu left.

Sassynegal
Member

01-21-2005

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ok well I agreed with her rolling her eyes etc. I was annoyed too that Janu was so negative. I didn't see it as ridicule, but more as venting frusteration - I'm going home after busting my a** and here she wants to go and your keeping her - I'd be upset too but then again I'm competitive and tend to side with the stronger more competitive survivors over the whining ones - to me surviving isn't crying through the game (JENNA) and begging for it at the end it's busting you as* and doing all you can to survive... Just my opinion and justification why Steph, Tom and Ian are my favs.

Denecee
Member

09-05-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think that Steph was so frustrated because of all the effort she has put into this game and getting as far as she has. She knew that she was going to be voted out and she just couldn't believe that somebody who wanted out was not going to be voted out which added to her frustration.
I personally would like to see this game played for once by the strong folks getting rid of the weaker players first. Stephanie is in the top 3 of the strongest players of who could really survive in this situation. The girls who are sitting around letting the men do all the work need to go!
Good post Lance!

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Janu wanted to go out her way. Yes, Jeff may have pushed her a bit and manipulated the whole thing, but Janu still wanted to do it on her terms. She would rather have walked than to be used as someone's lackey in future votes. Imagine your last few days on Survivor knowing that the only reason your still there is because your not a threat. She blind sided the other members and showed them that she could do something to mess up the alliance. Plus, she probably never felt like she was part of the alliance.

I never did notice...did the contestants get to pick their position in the IC or was it laid out for them. Tom was smart enough to realize the tide would get him last.

Steph is a tough competitor and I took the eye roling thing as her disbelief that here is someone willing to quit, yet, they weren't going to vote Janu off...no matter what.

I felt bad for Janu when everybody laughed because Janu quit the IC first...like was stated, it was like laughing at someone who trips and falls...its funny until you realize they really hurt themselves.

I think Janu wanted to leave on her own terms...loosely speaking, of course.

Thanks, Eeyore...I'm glad somebody else noticed.

Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree Sassy. Steph has earned her place and deserves to stay in as much as anyone. She is a terrific competitor and I could understand her frustration with the situation at TC. I'm glad it worked out the way it did. Janu was DONE with the game and wanted to go.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I pretty much agree with everyone's point. I just need to have some things cleared up which are pretty futzy in my head. I remember that Jenna Morasca quit the game because of her mother. The boat came and picked her up on the beach. Did Susan also quit (because of Nekkid Richard rubbing all over her) or did she lay down her torch at tribal council because she didn't want to take the chance she wouldn't be voted off? I'm thinking she also quit as opposed to laying down her torch as opposed to laying down her torch at TC. If so, then the only other person who would have actually "laid down the torch" would have been Osten (who couldn't swim, couldn't fish, was afraid of being attacked by birds, was afraid he was going to get sick, etc. and basically whined about everything.) I remember how pissy Mark Burnett was when Osten laid down his torch - he wouldn't even run Osten's goodbye clip at the end of the show. Maybe Mark felt a little sympathy towards Janu because he ran her goodbye clip.

Lexie_girl
Member

07-30-2004

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Nick... I took them laughing at Janu was when Jeff asked if she could start a fire and she said she hadn't as being Janu hadn't done anything in 20-something days much less start a fire. I took it more as a "You've got to be kidding... Janu start a fire?? Janu is too lazy to do anything much less start a fire." That's how I took it.

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The difference I guess is that Nobody really picked on Osten and Osten was such a prima donna. He was really bad in challenges and Janu really busted her butt in that reward challenge despite the way her team treated her. I think he did feel sympathy towards her because of the way the women ridiculed her.

Susan was someone they didnt really want to piss off in my view. She was making an allegation of sexual harrassment and the last thing the producers needed was a lawsuit from a disgruntled contestant. I think that is why they let her go without a fuss.

Jenna, well they couldnt really say anything to her.

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"never did notice...did the contestants get to pick their position in the IC or was it laid out for them. Tom was smart enough to realize the tide would get him last."

I noticed that all the men were lined up on one end and the women on the other.
Also the men had their head against the frame (top rail) and held onto the bars and the women seemed to be in the middle of the cage with their heads not touching the frame.

Nickovtyme
Member

07-29-2004

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe, Lexie, but I thought they started laughing as soon as they realized that she had given up. To me it was a laugh like, "there goes Janu, knew she wouldn't last...quitter." And it wasn't just the women, they all were laughing.

I dunno...10 people watch the same show and you get 10 different views on what happened. :D

Sassynegal
Member

01-21-2005

Friday, April 22, 2005 - 12:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Denecee I am with you. I think a good twist in this game is once you get to the merge the immunity challenges change and the last person to finish the challenge is eliminated or the last 3 people to finish are the only ones you can vote for. Then you don't get the Jennas or Ambers winning the games!