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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 3:30 pm
I agree sasman, but I also think we dont get the whole picture, just like in all reality shows. Coby did volunteer for bait. What he reminded me of was a little kid in the playground saying Ian come play with me and Ian went with the popular guys. Coby wanted Ian to show some sort of loyalty that didnt exist.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 5:46 pm
All the above makes sense when considered with Coby's exit interview on the Early Show. He said that when they did the Immunity Challenge he knew he'd jump off first (actually I heard that snippet on one of those evening tabloid shows that I flipped through..Extra or ? that he knew he would be the first to jump off. It wasn't jumping FOR the donuts, though he said after all those days with nothing sweet, the donuts were a great reward. He sees it as just not wanting to beat his head against the wall and he knew he was bitter and knew it wasn't pretty. Any when you add up all the reasons for him to go.. he WAS a strong contender when he wanted to be, he was being difficult, he probably eats more than Janu, so he got to leave first, before Janu.
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Hummingbird
Member
08-21-2002
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 6:59 pm
I love Tom! But then I am a sucker for a "manly" man. Remember the old deodorant commercial with Pete Rose where he said, "A man oughta smell like a man?" Well, for me anyway, a man ought to act like a man. I like knowing the man I'm with could rise to the occasion (no pun intended) and live off the land if ever need be. Guys like Tom have always appealed to me.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 7:08 pm
Hummingbird - Do you smoke Marlboroughs too? 
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 8:45 pm
LOL, Eeyores.. probably unfiltered ones.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 4:36 am
LOL, Eeyores! Well I don't like Tom. Homophobic, macho men turn me off. Coby is smart, fabulous at challenges, got fire wood, did chores, and acted like a man because he is one!
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Chieko
Member
11-20-2003
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 9:11 am
Gosh, do we have to put Tom down in order to raise Coby up? They are just very different men.I like them both, a lot, but they had trouble relating to one another and should we be surprised? A fireman and a hair stylist? I would like to have both of them in my life! I don't get the Marlboro analogy either. Wouldn't it be the man smoking the cigs and not the admirer?
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 9:45 am
Cheiko - I asked if she smoked the Marlboroughs, because "The Marlborough Man" is sort of a symbol of manliness and ruggedness. If she was weak to those sorts of men, maybe she was attracted to the Marlborough advertising. I don't dislike Tom so far. He's been great in challenges, he's been like a team leader, and he's been fairly sensible so far. That said, if he is your typical Molloy/Queens/firefighter stereotype, and holds homophobic views, I would think it sad, and hope that meeting Coby was an opportunity for personal enlightenment. I haven't weighed in on what I thought of the show yet, but FWIW, I thought Coby was acting very childish that episode, and deserved to go. It is too bad he reached his breaking point, because he would have been entertaining to watch for a little longer.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 9:59 am
Chieko, no, we do not have to put Tom down to raise Coby up. Some of us are putting Tom down because we just dont like him and some of us are saying we like Coby and some of us like both of them.
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Merrysea
Member
08-13-2004
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 10:15 am
Why is it okay for us to stereotype Tom as someone who might be homophobic because of where he's from, yet if we think he's stereotyping Coby, that's wrong? I haven't seen any evidence that Tom didn't like Coby because he's gay, yet I have seen that Coby didn't like Tom for being strong. Maybe they don't like each other for who they are as people. There's a whole lot that goes on that we don't get to see! I know that I liked Coby a lot until the last two weeks, then I didn't like what I saw in his rants. So far, Tom hasn't done or said anything to make me turn against him.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 11:44 am
Tom is not stererotyping Coby. Where did that come from? Makes no sense. Neither does Coby not liking Tom because he is strong. Queens love strong men. {rolling on the floor holding my sides and slapping the floor laughing at myself. I am my own best audience} Seriously now, we are speculating that the smart money is on Tom being homophobic because we can. And we are having a grand time doing so. 
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 12:38 pm
I think that Tom is actually playing the character of a gay man who is pretending to be a straight guy who is a homophobic fireman. I'm just speculating like you guys of course. 
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 1:21 pm
I am snickering right now because of you Fruitbat. 
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Hummingbird
Member
08-21-2002
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 1:21 pm
No, I don't smoke Marlboros! I may do some stupid things before I get through with life, but smoking isn't one of them. I am a girly girl who appreciates a manly man. I saw no evidence that Tom is homophobic. (I detest that stupid word!) Does it imply that someone is afraid of gay people? There may be some people who don't like gays for reasons only they can explain (I am certainly not one of them)but afraid of them? Like some people are afraid of clowns or heights? Coby was unlikeable because of his personality not his sexual orientation.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 1:30 pm
Oh I love that Jimmer! I think you are onto something here. I hate the word homophobic too, but it is the word in common usage, stupid as it may be.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 3:06 pm
I liked Tom better before he got so drunk. For personal reasons, I don't find it entertaining to see someone in that state. This is not meant to be judgmental.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 3:54 pm
If I'd been stuck somewhere with Coby and Janu, you can bet I would be snockered at the very first opportunity!! He wasn't even apparently hung over the next AM though!! I'd be willing to bet he is more a beer guy than a wine drinker. Not being judgemental - just reflecting on the firefighters I know - and LOVE!!
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 5:04 pm
Whew, caught that in time.. I just posted that it was RUM.. but now I question was I channeling Popularity Contest on CMT, as I'm watching the repeats of the first two episodes now!! But whatever he was drinking, and I thought it wasn't wine or beer, he was drinking straight froom the bottle, the others drinking out of coconuts..
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Mak1
Member
08-12-2002
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 5:34 pm
You put the wine in the coconut and drink it all up.....
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 6:30 pm
ACK! I prefer a very dry wind.. would have thought Rum would go better with coconut.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 7:07 pm
I seem to recall when he first smelled it, Tom pronounced it to be rum. Smelled, not tasted, so we don't know if he was right. From the effects, I would guess it was a strong home brew of some sort, probably not grape if the locals made it. There we go - somebody could go look up local fermented beverages in Palau to keep us going until Thursday.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 8:17 pm
Aha so I wasn't hallucinating. (there was definitely rum in Popularity Contest too).
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, April 18, 2005 - 4:09 am
Where did I get wine? I think I watch the show with such rapt attention, and then I find that I don't know what happened!! Perhaps because I prefer wine to other beverages?? And make that WHITE wine, although I am regularly going to wine tastings and trying to like red wine!
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Monday, April 18, 2005 - 2:07 pm
Titan -- try Australian Yellow Tail Shiraz -- it's heavenly! Trick w/red wine is to NOT chill it. Even after opening it, store it in a cool, dry, dark place like a pantry and drink within a couple days. Cafe Zinfandel is also a red wine that is a bit sweeter and not so dry. I'm still not a big fan of merlot -- but the cheap Arbor Mist Blackberry Merlot goes down very easily! (don't know if it truly counts as wine though! LOL) So as to "stay on thread" -- I still love Tom and Ian -- was sad to see Coby go (loved his snarkiness), and would be thrilled to see Steph go far! The preview of the next show w/ "exile" island probably isn't as big of threat to Steph sicne she KNOWS she can handle being alone!
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Md_race_fan
Member
12-07-2004
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 11:10 am
Hi all -- Was wondering how I would go about getting Cooki to fix my EP. 9 results? I had Coby listed to be voted off and in the results listing it shows Caryn.
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:12 pm
Md--I'd suggest going to the games area and post in the Cooki's game discussion thread. I believe she looks in on that thread.
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:15 pm
Another thing you could do is click on her name where she had made a post, showing her profile. At the bottom is a link to click on to send her a private message. She will get an email message from TVCH, with your message--you can let her know that way too.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 10:03 pm
sea, i had to giggle at your "I prefer a very dry wind"... was thinking santa ana or a personal gas problem. then i realized you meant wine! i used to like merlot but some of them seem to have sweet koolaid crap in them now. i buy foxbrook's cabernet sauvignon now. it's $23.98 a case at save mart. lol my own 2-buck chuck.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 5:07 pm
Yeah.. typos take over when I type.. I so rarely drink anymore, even Pepsi is just "ageing" in my fridge while I drink lo cal water.. My brother is the wine fiend in the family, so when I go up there at Thanksgiving I get some good stuff. But I've always found myself preferring the dry reds, even when I was quite young (though I went through a time early on when I drank Mead(!), which is akin to cough syrup to me now, and Leibfraumilch..
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