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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:47 pm
Ugh. What a crappy episode. I really felt like this episode's outcome was overly-manipulated. I don't agree with why Koror was forced to vote someone out. They've been winning EVERYTHING, so the producers shouldn't have punished them. Then to have Koror decide the fate of the Ulong immunity sucked too. What I REALLY WONDER is why no one voted for James to give him immunity, and no one from his own tribe voted for James either. Not one single vote. What happened to last week and how annoyed they were with his bossiness? This whole episode reeked of producer interference, much the way BigBrother has been stinking these past few seasons. Grrrrr.... This isn't the Survivor I have liked so much in the past. PS - I loved Koby for asking that his tribe not GLOAT when they got the food. And then what did they all do except Koby? GLOAT!! GRRRRR!!!!
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Halfunit
Moderator
09-02-2001
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 8:09 pm
Interesting, Eeyores... I found this episode to be refreshing! Something we've never seen before - it held my interest, making me want to see what exactly would happen. Normally I sit here and listen and half-watch. Not tonight. This epi had me from start to finish, just glued to the television. Loved it!
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Kaili
Member
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 8:22 pm
Oh poop. It's Wednesday. I didn't know it was on tonight. I haven't even gotten around to watching last weeks show all the way through yet (I just watched the part from the immunity challenge through tribal council). So, since I didn't know the day changed, I didn't tape it! Damn damn damn.
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Bluejaxrock
Member
04-23-2004
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 8:29 pm
I enjoyed this episode alot. I liked how they switched things up and made Koror vote for who they wanted to get immunity...DH and I were amazed there weren't more votes for Ibrahim. Logic says keep the weaker link to better overpower them at challenges. I believe he is the weaker link today, maybe not so tomorrow. The main reason I liked the immunity shake-up was that it didn't give Ulong any strategizing time. They were all set to get rid of Ibrahim, and to have to choose someone else made it interesting for me. Danged DH hardly ever watches, but he pegged that the Ulong vote would end in a tie. (He does the same with BB, and it really drives me nuts! I watch faithfully and can't figure it out! lol) ETA: Why would I vote out Angie who's been one of the strongest competitors? I thought for sure James would go. Let's see, you're down to 4 members and you get rid of stronger over weaker. Yeah, makes a lot of sense.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 8:48 pm
Good show but I think a little too much manipulation by the producers for my taste (of course, they manipulate all the time but not in such obvious ways). I was very disappointed that Angie was voted out as I found her to be very entertaining. What an awful difference losing that challenge made. Instead of sitting there enjoying stew and probably giving Willard immunity, they were snookered into voting out Angie. Argh! 
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Hootyhoot
Member
12-18-2001
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:20 pm
What a classy farewell from Angie. She went out with grace.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:36 pm
Why did Tom put a square root sign over Willard's name when he wrote to vote him out?
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Pepper
Member
03-16-2005
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:09 pm
Noooooooo not Angie. She deserved to stay for her fighting spirit.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:16 pm
I noticed that, too. I thought "The square root of Willard?" I did like this episode and wish they would do more surprises like this. Perhaps even make this immunity thing a permanent arrangement. I liked that they didn't have time to strategize over who should get immunity and they didn't have time to strategize over who to vote off. It was great to see how much more varied the votes are when the teams aren't given the chance to coordinate their votes and are forced to think for themselves. One thing that seemed strange to me is that Ulong never seemed to really develop alliances. It's also frustrating to see how willing these players are to allow the Rob and Amber strategy. This is the second time we've seen a power of two develop in the form of a flirting couple, and the people around them don't nip it in the bud. If that other Ulong guy hadn't sprained his ankle and his girlfriend hadn't been such dead weight they'd still be in the game, too. Why don't these people see the danger in allowing couples to develop?
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Needmylifeback
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:25 pm
Eeyoreslament... I think Tom put the square root sign to identify (to himself?) that that was his vote... I've noticed lots of others put something on theirs in the past ... maybe just to see that so and so was 6th to vote but their vote was read in the third position...
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:33 pm
Angie didn't deserve to go and I was hoping that the spoiler I read somewhere was wrong. I almost thought so with the first vote and then bam... they have to vote again. I was surprised at the votes for Bobby John. I would have voted James out in a nano-second. They sure forgot how bossy he was with the luxury challenge that he was sure was so great they would win and then they didn't. Then he got knocked off both times by Coby. Plus, I find him the most annoying on that tribe. The only person I really respect on that team who is now left, is Stephenie. She's been instrumental in winning them all the reward challenges. Angie got a raw deal! I too enjoy how Coby said not gloat in front of the other tribe. It raised my opinion of him.
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Willsfan
Member
09-04-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:38 pm
I didn't want to see Angie go! I wanted the others to stay too, although I was disappointed in Ibrehem. He should have gave up after the first dive instead of wasting time but at the time he just wasn't thinking. I think we saw tonight that Tom and Ian will be voted out if Jennifer and Greg have their way. So far, the only two I've found interesting on that team are Ian and Tom. Coby is amusing but we haven't had the opportunity to see much of this tribe. The women might be equally as entertaining but I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:44 pm
i am totally disappointed in katie who is our local person on this show. she sits out every challenge she can and is as lazy as rob and sean were before the merge when they were on.... i wanted her gone before willard even! angie was a mistake to get rid of in my humble opinion. she has been pretty strong in many of the challenges. i would have voted james out. what's with the votes for bobby jon? he seems to be a pretty hard worker and good at challenges. do these people not realize they need the strongest people, at least until the merge. uh, guess not, from the number of people they have dwindled down to!
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 11:05 pm
In past seasons, Jeff Probst has stated that there were different twists planned depending on how the numbers in the tribes went. For example, in Survivor Amazon, they were able to split the teams evenly into 3 guys and 3 girls using alternating picks because each team had lost 2 members. If it was uneven, they may have swapped players in a different manner (like standing on a disk with a new colored buff beneath it). With 9 per team this season, they had to plan for what they would do if one team won the first 4 immunity challenges and was ahead 9-5. If they did a normal immunity, they run the risk of the advantage becoming 9-4 and that really messes up the sitting out of players for reward and immunity. You almost have to merge if you let that happen. By getting rid of a player from each tribe, they guarantee 9-5 turns into 8-4 and they can go at least another week with 4 sitting out reward and the other 4 sitting out immunity. If it gets to 8-3, then they can merge at 11, which is not too different then the more common merge at 10 players. or it's all a fix!
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 11:34 pm
LOVED this episode! Coby was funny, Ian saved the day after almost losing it, the "twist" of immunity was fabulous -- seeing the team scramble to vote without being able to "consult" was highly entertaining -- and even though I was disappointed to see Angie go, I think the entire episode was riveting! My favorite line -- when Jeff shot down Ulong's hope of a merger. I think he gets mighty disgusted with any type of "quitter" mentality -- or even for people looking somewhere besides themselves for help / rescue.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 1:00 am
If they want to kill one team just let the other manipulate who goes from that team as well as getting rid of a bit of deadwood on their team.. it was an ok episode but seemed to be a twist that could have been interesting if things weren't so lopsided already.. instead of getting rid of the person who single handedly took the team down this week, he is protected and they lose one of their better competitors. Again.. ok episode but crappy outcome. Oh well.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 2:53 am
The double elimination was also done last season -- the male tribe in Vanuatu was forced to eliminate one person even though they won the Challenge. (I think that hurt them much more than getting rid of the young, strong guys.)
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Essence
Member
01-12-2002
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 6:36 am
I'm kind of glad Ibrahim got immunity. Yes he screwed up this challenge, but like in his speech... that's one thing. I guess they all forgot about James' performance during the last immunity challenge. Had he been able to win at least one heat against Coby, they wouldn't have lost that week. I just wish they would have been smart enough to think things through (even in that short amount of time) and voted off James. I wonder what the girls were thinking to vote for Bobby Jon?
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Hootyhoot
Member
12-18-2001
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 7:30 am
I didn't like the way Ulong was blindsided with the voting rules. If you're supposed to Outplay Outthink etc., you ought to at least have an idea of what's going to happen next.
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 8:13 am
Williard may have asked to be voted off since probably went in thinking he only had to be there a few days before a vote. Also, it kept the team positive since they didn't have to form voting blocs yet.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 8:21 am
My opinion of Coby went way up when he said not to gloat in front of Ulong.
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Mak1
Member
08-12-2002
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 8:26 am
Essence, I saw Angie on CBS this morning. She said the reason they hadn't voted off James was because, looking ahead, he wouldn't be as big a threat in individual ICs as Bobby Jon or Ibrahim. Since they suddenly couldn't vote off Ibrahim, that left Bobby Jon.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 8:33 am
Good show last night. I was happy with the choices they made of who to vote off. But stew and rootbeer? What a combo.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 8:50 am
what a crappy show last night...why not kick them while they're down. Oh wait... Steph should be allowed to make it further in this show than she's going to. Bobby Jon as well. Yeah...rootbeer and stew?
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Missy2
Member
07-31-2001
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 9:20 am
It is so funny to hear peoples thoughts on last nights show! Either we loved it or hated it! I LOVED IT!
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