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Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 7:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think this was the best episode the season.

The look on Jenn's face was great.

I am proud of Coby for his great exercise in self-control in not doing somersaults.

Cary deserves an Emmy for her performance.

Katie was so good in her performance of indignation I completely forgot her plans to jump to the other side.

Tom and Ian - what can you say? The perfect strategy.

As for Gregg, bye-bye.

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Palau Aggressor II - what an incredible dive boat (I've been on the Kona Agressor twice).

http://www.aggressor.com/subpage11.php

And the boat's captain - I know him! That's MIKE!! Yes, I have gone diving with Captain Mike, many times. He used to own a charter business called Eco-Adventures in Kona, HI. Then the owner of the boat he was using sold it, so he closed his business and went to work for the Aggressor fleet.

We were just there in spring 2004 and, true story, Mike told me he was planning to submit an application to Survivor (I was always wearing one of my buffs as a headband). We gave him some advice on his plans for the video (his original idea was too boring, not eye catching). Imagine my surprise seeing Captain Mike (even so briefly) last night. When I saw the boat coming around the bend, I recognized the standard Aggressor design, but Captain Mike? That was great! Guess that means he won't be eligible to be a contestant on Survivor now that he's "worked" for the production company. Too bad, he would have been a fan favorite.

So I'm noising around the Captain's Log for the Palau Aggressor II.
http://www.aggressor.com/capt_archive.php?vessel_id=11

Anyone know the dates of this Surivor? According to the logs, the boat was in Dry Dock for a couple of months late last summer. I was wondering if they chartered the boat for a whole week or the duration of filming (and utilized it as a base of operations for underwater filming).

'squeek'

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Loved Ian and Tom on this one. Good for Katie. I also liked Gregg's closing statement. It proved he was a good sport!

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 7:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kona, for some reason I was thinking they filmed in the fall.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It was being filmed during the showing of Vanuatu

Tweety
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04-14-2003

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kona, speculation is that the reward cruise was on December 1st.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I didn't finish reading this whole thread yet, but here's some thoughts.

On the GMA, Gregg did have a discussion w/ the interviewer and said that "now" that he thinks about it, giving the reward to Ian might have been his only chance. He said he thought all would forgive him for wanting to spend a little time with Jenn. Taking Katie was a way to give a chance to whomever did not happen to enjoy the last reward... (Caryn and Tom did get to go already)
As if this morning, he still did not seem to believe that Jenn and himself showed a strong alliance infront of the others. Romber was mentioned to be the only couple who pulled that off. (Harry had shared w/ the interviewer how his household thought Gregg and Jenn were going to take it all the way.)
To me, Gregg's true revelation did not come til he heard Tom's convo w/ JP. At least that's what I took from the GMA thing. AND, that was a few hours ago before my morning nap. Let's hope I did not dream about all this ;-D !

Let's face it, all them alfa guys want to take a lady to the end. A weak lady, though. Tom is banking on Caryn; Ian is betting on Katie. Gregg was taking Jenn and was adment about not having Steph around to ruin that for him. Actually, Tom might have made the alliance earlier w/ Steph and Katie for that reason, too. Just remember how fast they dumped Steph, not so high and mighty on the "Moral" either.

I won't like Katie as a friend. She's not the "most deserving" in some eyes. But she's there to win as big as she can just like the rest. So far she's been really lucky and "useful", wonder how long that would last.

Good luck to Jenn next TC.
From the way Gregg answered about their relationship, I got the feeling maybe G & J had a "chance" to develope something. To me that means Jenn is off the game soon. But again, hope some one else can confirm all I thought I've heard--yes, my meds didn't even allow me to keep my eyes open, LOL!

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If I were any of them I would want to take Caryn to the end. All they have to say is I worked hard to get here, Caryn hasnt done much of anything and she isnt liked at all.

I am not crazy about Tom. I hope Ian wins because he has been playing hard and also seems to be the brains behind the Tom/Ian alliance.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 9:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree Maris, I couldn't believe how thick Tom seems to be with the alliances going on around him. I really admire Ian's ability to assess the situation and take the risks to play the game!! Ian really impressed me last night

Go Ian!!

Chy
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07-19-2003

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 9:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris, your reason to take Caryn to the end could be just the reason to take Katie. I am worry about that scenerio: Tw/K or Iw/K as the final two.

At that point either Tom and Ian could say: I've been working hard,...was the main reason our tribe stayed together... feeding you...yada yada... but Katie was mean to Jenu, stabbed Coby, Steph, Gregg and whomever else sitting on that side ....
Give me your vote, I'm the true Survivor....

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 10:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Chy, I'm thinking along those same lines. Coby will definitely vote for Caryn if she is in the final 2, he was somewhat buddies with her and complained about Jenn, Katie, and Janu not pulling their weight around camp to Caryn. He won't give a vote to Ian or Tom over Caryn either, imo.

If I was there, I'd want Katie next to me in the F2. As of now, I think they dislike Katie more than Caryn right now, who knows what will happen in the next few days.

I missed Coby's reaction at TC. I am glad I taped it so that I can watch it later!

Tabby, I agree with you that Tom sounds like Boston Rob! I was thinking the same thing during the show when Tom was droning on and on (well, he probably wasn't but that's how I heard it).

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Tom is kind of losing his focus...he was so sharp and alert early in the game but lately he has seemed to be kind of foggy and his decision-making process has seemed a little slow. Is the stress of the game getting to him?

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 11:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Tom is as sharp as ever. He has worried since the beginning of the game of appearing to be too strong. I would not be the least bit surprised that he threw the immunity challenge last night. Ian is proving to be very good at strategizing. As long as it's working and he doesn't feel threatened, Tom can stand back a little.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am liking both Tom and Ian for their game playing. I especially respect Tom for not taking himself too seriously, and being able to admit they should be looking to get him out.

I would love to see a Tom/Ian final two. I think the questions they would be asked have the potential to be good, and I think they would have good answers. I also think the choice would be tough for the jury.

Awhile back it was discussed how Tom was making a lot of choices for the tribe--dictator was the word used--lol. As it ends up, I think the choice he had were very good for the tribe.

If you are going to lead and make the calls, you might as well make correct calls.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 1:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It is obvious that Ian and Tom like and respect each other. I have a feeling that if they are able to make it to F2, it is going to be difficult for both of them when they have to compete one on one.

I can't help being partial Tom. After all, his favorite smell is his wife's neck. After I read that, he could have been a cross between Richard Hatch and Johnny Fairplay and I would still love him.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 1:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
As far as having heart combined with ability in challenges and in playing the game of survivor, Tom/Ian/Gregg/Steph would sure be a great final 4 to watch if you are looking for a good game.

They each bring something a little different to the game iteslf--and maybe it is that aspect I'd like to watch between the 4 as well as seeing a good game.

One can never know about the jury though--they can't know if the jury will vote strictly by who payed a good game 9and how that is defined by each in the jury) or if they will vote based on something they took personally. Or if by total chance like Greg did in S1.

I have a feeling we will see a very intense last TC from the jury though. They were all close to each other, being in Koror except for Steph.

Whoever wins this version of Survivor is going to have ot work very hard for it--as it should be.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 1:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, if you're going by who has worked the hardest, that would definitely be Tom and Ian.

Most of the women in this season have really disappointed me by their lack of working (or so it appears - it could always be the editing although Coby didn't think so). We are starting to have way too many people trying to stay under the radar.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 1:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Native, I blame that under the radar thing on the people who play Survivor. It is an approach that has had a fairly high level of success--people tend to go with what works.

Leaders tend (over all--not in every case) get picked off pretty fast--even good leaders. In other versions, I think Tome would be one of the first to go just because anyone who tried to be a leader was booted immediately.

Of course this is all said knowing that we see 40 minutes out of 3 days--MB can probably show us virtually anything he wants us to see. If a person worked 20 minutes of of 3 days, MB could put every minute of that in, and it would appear to us that the person was going a huge amount of work (since 1/2 the show is the challenges).

And anyone being lazy for 1/2 hour could be shown as the laziest person to have even played the game. LOL

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 2:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tom is now my fav to win.
At the RC last night, I thought the looks on the faces of those getting their lever pulled were priceless. Tom was the only person I noticed not taking it personal. Each person was all "Uh!" everytime their lever got pulled. Cracked me up that Katie trusted Gregg and then he pulled her lever. Then he took her with him which IMO, sealed the deal for him getting the boot.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 3:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with Maris and don't think that Tom expected Ian to talk to Katie. When Tom and Ian talked, they were willing to pick a stone if they had to but thought that in the case of a tie vote Katie would vote for Greg. I was shocked when Ian told Katie the plan, but realize he was being smart since he told her right before they left for tribal council. Jenn better back her bags.

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 4:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
while it is true that editting can skew what we see i am willing to bet there are enough different personalities and interaction that they dont have to overly manipulate what is aired. just because big brother does it and we have the proof from the live feeds doesnt mean survivor does. big brother seems to try to create stories and characters. i see a lot less of that in survivor. i do think we get a pretty accurate depiction. for one thing the survivors tend to be people with lives before reality tv. and they will have lives after it. unlike some of the other shows that are mainly populated with wannabees

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 5:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A co worked thought that Ian and Tom did at least imply they'd give her a chance to vote straight up for Gregg and avoid the tie. I missed that. But it does make sense.

I'd pay to see a final 2 of Ian and Tom. It'll probably end up Ian and Katie. Ian is a most astute player. He's saving Katie to be in the final 2 because he knows he'll beat her, the jury will back up Ian.

Tom may be too loyal to go against Ian. Tom goes in and out of good play whereas Ian is steady and on course.

Have any of the females even broken a sweat working around camp?

I’ve learned not to read anything into the previews…I hope that holds true this time, too.


Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 6:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes, Tom and Ian planned to talk to Katie about voting Gregg. And that is what happened, it was not just luck! Rewind the tape and you will see...

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 7:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If I was Tom I would drag Katie to the end and the same would apply to Ian, TAKE Katie with you! Ian calls Katie his girl. Tom should worry about that a little, along with how strong Ian is. Katie is apparently lazy and I don't think she would get many votes.

Caryn has always been an outsider as we found out when she mentioned being in an alliance with Jen, Greg, Coby and Willard.

Greg's bad move was thinking he was in a tight alliance with Tom and Ian. Greg had the numbers with Steph, Jen, Coby and Caryn against Tom, Ian and Katie but he was sooooo bent on getting Steph out and lost sight of the end game.

Three strong guys have to look into getting rid of their competition while they have a chance. Greg was blind in his ambition of keeping his tribe pure and ousting Steph.

Did he realy think that Tom and Ian would want him now that it's IC?

I think Tom and Ian are playing a superb game, but one will have to turn on the other to be a great player.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, May 06, 2005 - 7:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have to wonder why Gregg was so sure Tom and Ian would stay loyal to him when he was off on the boat plotting to take them out.

I guess he was worried about it because he mentioned that it was a relief to get back to camp and see that there was no plotting going on. They just out acted him. At least he was not indignant about it like Katie.