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Chieko
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11-20-2003

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What annoyed me about Katie was how she verbally harrassed Ian and talked about how important their alliance was and how important her vote was when she brought nothing to the table other than her vote. She was part of an alliance that she didn't contribute to at all and yet she seemed to have illusions of grandeur about herself and her position. She made an alliance at the very first of the game and was ready to ditch it several times but seemed appalled that Ian might do the same.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think your right Karuuna...but just like me, I think both Tom AND Ian forgot that fact!!!

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't believe Tom or Ian would have taken the other to F2. That would have been suicide. Taking Katie to F2 would have been a sure thing for either one of them.

Tom knew he would force a tie by voting for Ian. If Tom had been playing the father role, he would have taught the boy his lesson and gone ahead and voted for Jenn in the second vote. He did not. He was p----d at Ian and wanted him gone. To do this, he had to have been extremely confident that he could win the final IC because I think the two girls would have taken each other to F2.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Just my opinion, but...I think Ian really got to thinking about his actions and how they would be perceived by the people who matter to him - he specifically mentioned his father and his family - and he also really cared about his friendships with Tom and Katie. I respect the fact that he wanted to make a choice that enabled him to regain some measure of respect from Tom and allowed himself to feel that he had regained some of his character. It was a moral choice. Yes, it cost him $1 million but in his post-show interviews he doesn't seem to regret the choice (and $75,000 and a 'Vette isn't something to sniff at when you are that young!).

Isn't this basically the same thing Colby did in Survivor Australia - he knew that taking Tina to F2 with him was not the best choice, but he honored his word. I like it when people make choices based on character as opposed to greed.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ian has my respect. I have thought about it really hard and I don't think I could have done it.

Okay, let's be honest, I know I couldn't have done it.

Jan
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think I read somewhere that the vote was 6-1 for Tom. If that is true (and since we know Coby voted fro Katie against Tom) then that means Ian actually voted for Tom to win! I assumed he would vote for Katie??

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jan, Ian did tell Katie that he would never write her name down! If he had voted for her to win, he would have had to write it! :-)

Spear
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08-06-2001

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 10:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
On "Survivor Live", Tom confirmed that he and Ian's original deal was to take each other to F3 only and then duke it out. They both agreed to take Katie to F2 (since she was easier to beat).

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Merrysea, excellent point!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A lot of people are assuming that Ian could have defeated Tom in the immunity challenge. If he felt he couldn't hang on and defeat Tom, then the only graceful option was to drop out and let Tom take Katie to the final (which Tom probably would have done anyway). If so, dropping out probably cost him nothing and allowed him to retain his dignity and the respect of family and friends. A pretty good decision I would say.

Cablejockey
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12-27-2001

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've been watching the interviews Jenna and Dalton did on the 'Red Carpet' on the CBS site. When they interviewed Katie, she was still going on about how she was treated at the final TC, and how everyone thought she was funny before.




Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Chieko, I feel ya! It bothered me also that Katie was jumping all over Ian for checking out his options; when she was constantly checking out her own!

Kep, Tom's big beef was that Ian wasn't even going to take him to final three, as they had agreed. I think after Tom found that out, all bets were off and Tom was just operating to save himself.

Roxip, I agree with you. If anything, I respect Ian more for having made that choice. I'm only sorry that he did it partially for Katie's sake. She obviously would never have done the same for him. It was all Katie all the way, in her game.

Jimmer, I'm not sure about who would have won. As I recall, after Ian gave up the challenge to Tom, I thought he said he was giving out anyway. And then he said he could have lasted five more hours. So I'm unclear about how Ian was really doing at that point.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Katie seems to be one of those people who are totally oblivious towards their effect on people...she probably has a close circle of friends and they all think she's funny - but those she doesn't allow in her privileged circle more than likely think she's obnoxious and a snob.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Roxip...couldn't have been to big of a circle if none of them came to see her on "family/friends" day...

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 5:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I most despise Katie for the crappy way she treated Janu, who was one of my favourites from the first when she shinnied up the coconut tree.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 6:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

quote:

when she shinnied up the coconut tree.




There's a song in there, somewhere.

I don't think Katie ever felt about Ian than he may have felt about her...yet, she understood that and used it against him. It's Ian's fault really. I didn't like Katie, but Ian should have not been so naive. Tom used it against him too.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 8:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought this review was great, but I can never get the links for EW to work...


Having dominated from start to finish, firefighter Tom wins ''Survivor: Palau''; Ian's surrender sends Katie to an inexplicable second place by Josh Wolk



MAN IN THE IMMUNE Tom was never seriously at risk

We all knew it was inevitable that, barring his losing an immunity challenge, Tom would end up winning this season of Survivor. It was as certain as the fact that the scribble boards to this article will be choked with cries of ''Where's Dalton?'' (He was at the live finale, rubbing shoulders with the cast members and trying to figure out how Caryn turned into Sharon Stone for the reunion show, so let's move on.)

But what I didn't see coming was just how easy Katie would make it for Tom. Her entire campaign platform was ''Vote for me! I was useless and lazy, but at least I knew whose ass to affix myself to like a barnacle.'' In her opening remarks, she made the nonexistent distinction that it wasn't that she skated by: No, what happened is she had made the strategic choice to let two stronger players carry her through. In other words, it's not that she didn't deserve to win; it was that it was her strategy not to deserve to win: Ergo, she deserved to win.

Perhaps — just perhaps — this theory would have worked if she had ended up against someone not in her original alliance, say, Caryn or Coby. Then she could at least brag of outsmarting those who brought her along. But how is it supposed to win people over when you say, ''I sucked as a competitor, but I stayed alive by hopping on the back of a great, talented competitor. See the guy to my right? Yeah, that's the guy.'' To be fair, that's kind of how Tina beat Colby in Australia, but at least she cooked occasionally and wasn't an alienating pain in the ass.

We all knew Katie was going to lose as soon as we saw only two votes cast at tribal council: They usually show as many as they can all the way up to a tie to make it seem as close as possible before the reveal. But the only one they had to show was Coby's, with his nonsensical, bitter rantings about honesty. (How did Tom ever screw him over, anyway, other than by not picking him for his alliance in the beginning, thus rekindling a thousand horrific kickball memories?) I find it a little difficult to get emotional over new daddy Coby's cathartic Survivor experience — no matter how badly Jeff Probst urged the audience to — considering how weaselly he was during the game. One minute he was weeping that no one treated him kindly growing up, and the next he was making bitchy, personal slams about everyone else in the game. And then there was his euphoric self-delusion: From the moment he was kicked off through the finale, he incessantly repeated how flattered he was to be a threat, even though it seemed more that he was booted because he was annoying. But it was as if repeating that he was a power player made it so for Coby. So if you're ever stuck in a room with Coby and desperate to get away, just appeal to his ego: ''Coby, I'd love to stay and talk, but I'm worried you'll win the conversation.''

While the tribal-council winner was never in question, the road from four players to two was quite an unpredictable ride. It's been painful watching Ian self-destruct; he wanted so badly to be a tricky player, but that desire was always trumped by his need to be liked. I respected the guy up until the past two episodes, when he was moved to spastic, arm-flailing histrionics whenever Katie or Tom would tsk-tsk him for his alliance switching. (And why, right up to the end, did he never point out that holier-than-thou Katie had flipped on him even before he flipped on her?) It all led up to his quitting after nearly 12 hours of standing on a pole, just so he can say he has two buddies for life. What the hell does he need two more friends for? The Chevy SSR only seats two, so if he won that, he'd only have room for one pal anyway.

(I'd like to take a second to address the SSR spotlight, if I may. Instead of attacking Howard Stern, could the FCC focus its energy on something more offensive on the air, like Mark Burnett's ever-growing product-placement greed? We usually hear about the prize car at the end of the show, but this time we got an extra sneak peek on the island, with footage of the starving final four oohing and aahing over the car as if it were made out of meat. This overblown reaction was even more foolish coming a week after Ian won a Corvette, which was a hell of a car. Now how are they supposed to get jazzed about a lemon-colored monstrosity that is 75 percent trunk space? The only good thing I can say for it is that it's the ultimate sporty ride for the man who wants to impress his date but also needs to move his piano.)

I'm sure that there are some people out there who think that Ian did the right thing. These are the same people who think that Titanic would have been a better movie if the ship hadn't sunk. This is a game show with one winner. It is the very definition of the show that someone is going to have to hurt someone else. It is not constructed to be a parable on ethics, and if it was, it would be incredibly dull. These players already have friends and family at home, and if they don't backstab them, they're doing just fine in the morals department. If you want to see someone win a million bucks by doing the right thing, try to find a game where contestants try to find the best cure for cancer, but stay away from TV.

Yes, Ian probably felt good about his decision, but in about a month, when he's sleeping in the storage closet of the Philadelphia aquarium on a bed fashioned out of penguin feed, having just finished a meal of fried minnows that his dolphins had spit back at him for being too small, and Katie hasn't called him back because his bowl haircut won't really fly with her Madison Avenue friends, maybe he'll rethink that decision. Especially when he loses his job because none of the dolphins will obey him anymore because they watched the show, too, and are thinking, ''Why should I do tricks for a schmuck who gave up a million bucks just so a fireman will teach him how to slide down a pole?''

As for the reunion show, there were the usual physical surprises: Caryn had her makeover, Gregg had metamorphosed into C. Thomas Howell, and a long winter had downgraded Stephenie's tan from midnight black to a mere skin-cancer brown. And then there were the shocking revelations, like Ibrehem disclosing that he learned from the loud Jolanda's ousting that he shouldn't show a strong personality, even though Ibrehem couldn't have mustered a strong personality if you hypnotized him into thinking he was Jenny McCarthy.

And then there was the moment that Jeff Probst meant to be uplifting, but managed to make viewers feel bad about America in two unintended ways: When discussing Coby's fabled victory over James on the raft battle, he asked James if his Alabama steelworker buddies gave him any crap at the plant for losing to a homosexual. James revealed that he was actually now unemployed, but that yes, his old pals did tease him. So there you have it, people: Our nation's workers can't get a job, but at least they're homophobic. Add that to the fact that America's auto companies are struggling, and their solution is to design misshapen jalopies like the SSR. The pride is . . . back?

Oh well, at least our nation still rules the world in wacko singing teachers. Take us out, Wanda!




Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 9:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thank you NICK!!! That was a great read!

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 9:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hahahaha, great skewering.

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 1:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Loved it!

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 4:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Loved that article....made my morning...LOL

Lexie_girl
Member

07-30-2004

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 6:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
and a long winter had downgraded Stephenie's tan from midnight black to a mere skin-cancer brown. <<< snort

Lurkin
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02-15-2002

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 3:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't understand 2 things. Maybe it is just me.

I thought the agreement was Tom, Katie & Ian together voted to take each to final 3. Tom got mad because Ian agreed in a deal with Jen & KATIE to vote Tom off. Jen told Tom he went ballistic on Ian, made Ian cry. If I am right to this point. Why was Tom not mad at Katie also who agreed with Ian and Jen to vote Tom off. Why was only Ian the bad guy why not Katie??? Was she also not breaking the agreement? Am I missing this? For some unknown reason this is bugging me.

The 2nd thing I am missing. All I hear is Katie is so funny, I made everyone laugh. I don't remember her being the life of the party, I only remember her being the bully in high school making fun of everyone, talking behind backs, pouting til you get your way. I don't remember ever being shown as funny.

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tom never fully trusted Katie; and also knew that she had vascillated before between Tom/Ian alliance and the women's alliance. That's why he tried at one time to throw Katie off for Caryn.

I also think it was because Tom and Ian saw Katie as a ridealong sotospeak. It was Tom and Ian winning the challenges, and Katie was there thru their graces (in their minds).

It may very well have been because Tom always saw only Ian as completely trustworthy as one by one his other alliance partners were shown not to be (Greg, Jen, Katie). Even though all of them conspired to vote Tom off, Ian was the last person Tom heard about doing so, and probably the last person he thought would do so. Tom must have felt finally all alone at that moment.

Spear
Member

08-06-2001

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 4:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Gregg and Jenn did not betray Tom. They had an F5 deal and they stuck to it (remember that they voted for Caryn at F6). Ian broke their F5 alliance and Tom went along with it. Tom probably understood that he broke his word with Gregg and that's why he tried to lay the blame on Ian and Caryn ("they led me to believe ..."). Since he betrayed Gregg, he shouldn't have gotten all p*ssy when Ian tried to do the same thing to him.