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Sassynegal
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01-21-2005

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 7:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am a big Tom and Ian fan - but then I always want the people who are the ultimate survivors to win not the Jenna's or the Ambers who do nothing and win because they were nice. I'd like to see Steph, Tom or Ian as I see them as most deserving. Which means they won't win I am sure but hey they have my vote

Cousin_jake
Member

07-04-2002

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Unless Steph strings 5 or 6 immunity wins together she's history. This was Coby, Jen, Gregg and Stephanie's chance to boot Ian or Tom and they didn't do it. (Depending on which one didn't win immunity) Tom, Ian and Katie seem to have a strong alliance and seem to be controling the votes. The others don't seem to realize the pecking order and are just letting them do it. Once they wake up and see what's happening, it'll be too late.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
On the Early Show, Coby says he didn't see the writing on the wall.. thought he would not be the first to go, but in hindsight he understands.

Tabbyking
Member

03-11-2002

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
did coby mention not knowing steph was in the original alliance? i think he would have done things differently had he known...who would have thought they would have had an alliance from before she went to ulong, since they were only there a day and half before picking teams.
i still say you may have an early alliance but to let the others know if they don't carry their weight you could change that alliance. katie just seems to be riding the coattails of her fellow alliance members.
part of me thinks she wouldn't be able to win when it came to a final vote because she hasn't contributed much. another part of me thinks if she is up against tom or another 'dominating' person, she (or jenn) could win because the domineering or bossy personality has irritated people.
i think we should just declare steph the winner and go out for pizza.

and i'd fall down laughing if janu somehow came out the winner!!

Happymom
Member

01-20-2003

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Coby mentioned something about Steph that really indicated to me that he had no clue at all about the original alliance Steph has with Tom, Ian, and Katie. I do not think he would have taken her aside like that if he'd known. His gameplay was all wrong the final day or few days.

I wish I had heard what Ian said when he voted Coby out. I am beginning to think I should stop watching reality tv with my family. They all talk WAY too much! Save it for the commercials!

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tabby, I put all I got from the interview in Coby's thread. He says he just wanted her to have all the info because she deserved to stay longer..

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I didn't like Coby at first but he grew on me. I felt sorry for him when he broke down and cried last week.

I have never been a Tom fan and I think he gets more bossy each week.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yep.. went the same way for me, Pamy, with both of them.. well I liked Coby then didn't and then really respected him for his great showing in the competitions and humor too.

He's graceful going out, too.

Tom.. BOO

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kep>>>Ian did try to get Colby to go fishing with them. Colby chose to take the low road and act all witchy, rather then step up and do what he obviously wanted to do.(go fishing)<<<

Ian did not ask Coby until he realized that Coby was feeling the sting of being left out. It was condescending and Ian knew he would not accept; the boat was clearly too small for all of them anyway. I would have had a similar reaction. Too little way too late.

I thought Coby was sure Janu was going so took the pizza. I now see that was correct.

Steph lost her step when she merged. She has always been so careful to think things through until now. Her lonliness and lack of connection with her tribe drove her into the arms of the sharks. I was disappointed to see her go back and report Coby's words.

Ian would behave differently if not hooked with Tom.


Sasman
Member

07-08-2003

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Fruit, as they say 'Lie down with bats, get up with fleas.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ian comes off as pretty arrogant in his interviews.. I can't tell just how much he sort of rides along with Tom (not entirely, because he's been strong in some competitions, notably the eating of the beluts) and we also haven't seen as much of this tribe; no we will get a better chance. I don't mean Ian's a slacker, not compared to most of the girls on his original tribe, but that he's strong as long as he's allied with Tom and Tom's in power..

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Bat, Coby did say that he didn't think they'd target him first, but that he also knew he'd jump off quickly in the competition because he was just tired of the games, done with them. So he was saying "let the chips fall where they may".. at least this is what he says, after the fact.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The thing is we only get to see what they show us so on the surface it may look like Coby is whiney and I know I am stereotyping here, I didnt find it all that unbelievable that a firefighter who went to school at Malloy might want to leave the gay guy back at camp with the girls.

You dont know how much Tom has orchestrated by action Coby being outcast by the group. Trust me you dont get any more homophobic than a fireman from queens who went to Molloy.

Csnog
Member

07-18-2002

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris, My thoughts exactly.

I don't know anything about the school Tom went to but I always felt that Tom only tolerated Coby.

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Molloy was an all boys catholic school back in Tom's day, very much a jock school and it is one of the top catholic schools in NY, arguably number one or number two. You need top grades to get in but I know when my son and I looked at the school (it is coed now) we were totally turned off and didnt even apply.

It is very very very "Queens".

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Friday, April 15, 2005 - 5:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't doubt what you opine about Tom, not at all. And Coby did say that Tom was a dictator from day one, that everything had to be Tom's way. And when asked if he and Tom were friends now, his face was quite expressively saying "no" although he uttered not a word.

However, Coby also described himself in his interview as being "whiney" and "crazy" and as a "bitter queen" and therefore not entertaining any more, at the end.

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 2:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That's very true MsBat, Ian didn't try to include Coby until after the harm was done. Ian did realize they hurt Coby's feelings and he tried to make amends by trying to let Coby know that he could come along if he wanted to. I think that was very mature, although an apology might have gone further. But at least Ian tried.

If Coby wanted to go, he should have gone instead of just pouting about having his feelings hurt. Everyone makes mistakes, I've hurt people's feelings without meaning too and other's have hurt mine. Doesn't mean you have to hold a grudge against them, especially when someone tries to make amends.

I think it doesn't matter if Tom or Gregg didn't want him to go fishing...if he wanted to go, Coby should have gone when the offer was extended and not allowed Tom or Gregg to exclude him.

Nickovtyme
Member

07-29-2004

Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 7:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
At least nobody got naked for the cookies and milk or any of the treats, for that matter.

I hate to say it, but Steph will be around for a few more shows, but she won't make the finals...unfortunately.

Janu definately deserves to go before Steph and might I be so bold as to say, all the Koror gals need to go before Steph...

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think it was a case of only being three spaces so if Coby said yes at that point,one of the three alpha males would have to stay back.. and it wouldn't have been all that pleasant. Seems like if Tom has just asked who might want to go, it might have gone better. I think Coby just wanted to be considered to go. But this wasn't about that one incident anyway.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think this had anything to do with homophobia. Coby had already said that he wanted to stay and do bait. So the others had every reason to believe that he didn't want to go out fishing. He wanted Ian to stay, Tom wanted Ian to go, and apparently Ian wanted to go, too. So what's the problem? Is Coby hurt because he didn't get his way and decide that Ian had to stay, even if Ian didn't want to?

Csnog
Member

07-18-2002

Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 9:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The alienation between Tom and Coby started the first few days not just this show.

I suspected that Tom didn't want anything to do with Coby and as I said he barely tolerated him.

Ian is Tom's lacky or son figure and Coby did start to whine a few weeks ago after he figured out that he was not going to be included into the "mens" club ever.

Coby said it himself that he turned into a bitter b---h because he was an outcast the entire time on the island. No matter how hard he worked or how good he was at the immunities.

Coby's mistake was that he assumed that Gregg was in an alliance with him but Gregg and his group is floating right now and went with the in crowd for the moment.



Chieko
Member

11-20-2003

Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Merrysea, that is exactly how I saw it, too. Coby had already stated he wanted to do bait and he wanted Ian to stay with him, but Tom stuck up for Ian knowing that he would rather go out on the boat fishing. I really do think that if Coby wanted to go, it would have been arranged, there were two boats, two natives and there could have been plenty of room for all four men. He chose to act offended and pout----I'm sorry for him, it probably comes from a long history of being left out and becoming sensitized to it. On the other hand I did not think it reflected poorly on Tom. Tom liked to fish and he knew Ian liked to fish, he did not tell anyone what they had to do---actually it was Coby trying to tell Ian what to do.

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Actually, i think it was the natives who said that "some" of the men needed to stay back and "watch the bait" or continue catching bait. Coby volunteered to stay back and volunteered Ian to stay with him. So i don't think having them all go was an option.

Since Coby had volunteered himself to stay, Tom must have assumed he *wanted* to stay and suggested that Ian go fishing. That's when Coby made the "left out again" comment, although he rather set himself up for it; and then when Ian offered for Coby to go fishing, Coby was too busy perfecting his petulant pout to relent and be included.

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes Karuuna, I think that is how it went. Natives say that two go fishing and two stay back for bait. Coby volunteers to stay back and do the bait (before anyone asks). Then Tom mentions how much fishing Ian has done and suggests that maybe Ian could join them fishing if three would be okay. The natives say that would be okay and Coby gets upset and says that he is being left out again.

Okay, Coby was sort of being left out, but I don’t think it was some overtly deliberate plot by Tom to do so. It just worked out that way. I can see both sides of this.

Sasman
Member

07-08-2003

Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I suspect that Tom is homophobic but I also think that Coby wanted it both ways by initially volunteering for bait and then saying he wanted to go fishing when Tom got involved. He really was acting like a spoiled child in this situation and IMHO well earned his eventual fate.