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Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Apparently the first 7 voted off had their tongues cut off.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'll put down the wine glass and step away....YES I meant Chris not Sage.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
lol Lilfair, s'ok, just wanted to make sure because at first I thought you were pointing out that Sarge knew that stuff but still got voted off until I realized you meant Chris :-)

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 7:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Was Amy making kissy faces at the greased pig?

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
isnt it ironic that the winner was the person that shoulda been voted off first?!

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I can't believe I'm saying this...Ami seems to be a likeable person outside of the game. I was floored when she voted for Twyla; I thought hell would freeze over.

Congrats to Chris but I was really pulling for Twyla tonight. She did alright.

Roppiepie
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05-06-2004

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 8:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm so disappointed in Sarge and so awesomely respectful of Ami tonight! Twila didn't deserve Sarge's acid tongue. What a big cry baby and poor loser. On the other hand, Ami totally redeemed herself in my eyes. Her tears when Twila was speaking, were so real, so genuine.Twila has nothing to be ashamed of. Every season there are people who are so sanctimonious and indignant at the reunion show.Eliza reallytakes the cake, demanding APOLOGIES from Twila and Chris. I only hope that one or both of them kicks her butt after the reunion! Honestly, Eliza...STFU !!!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 8:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don’t understand why Sarge was so upset with Twila. It was Julie’s betrayal and lies to Twila that led to the men getting voted off. Sarge should be upset with Julie if he was going to be upset with anyone.

I just wish that Chris hadn’t lied so much to Julie and Eliza. He was in a strong position and he didn’t need to hurt their feelings that way. Kind of distasteful.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 9:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ketchup, Ami was "shuushing" the pig. I remember seeing that when it first ran, and I thought that it was sweet that she cared that the piglets were scared.

Ami was the absolutely most cool person at a Survivor reunion ever. She understands the game and found it in herself to recognize that Twila just played the best way she could. I was never an Ami fan, but tonight made me think that maybe she got some editing that showed only her negativity.

Twila certainly still appeared to be feeling badly about playing the way she did. Even though it got her to the final two and to a 100 grand, she is clearly in pain over the venom some of the females and Sarge displayed. Jeff talked briefly about Twila's actual "need" for the money. I read somewhere that she works 3 jobs, 365 days a year and still doesn't make that much. I believe that this was in a TV Guide and came directly from Jeff's mouth.

I find it interesting that year after year, the final two are grilled for lying to people, yet nearly every single person on the jury lied at one time or another. I guess loser's poop doesn't stink.

One more thing, then I'll shut up for awhile. Does anyone besides me think that the survivors (mostly the men, IMO) oftentimes are better looking when they're playing the game? Chris looked like an entirely different person, and I didn't think he looked good. The women seem to clean up well...Ami was gorgeous, and LeeAnn looked really nice, too.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 9:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'll go a step further and say that almost all of them look better when they are playing the game, instead of in half a ton of make-up and lip gloss (well not the men but .... ). The guys look better playing the game as well. I guess I just prefer the natural look.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 9:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Julie is so pretty with/wihtout makeup...she is just stunning.

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 10:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I really liked Twila's last words in her last speech at TC. They had no right to attack her that way and to make her feel so poorly about herself and I'm glad she let Sarge know it. I had so much respect for Sarge until that. Interesting how these people can show their true colors at the final TC and end up looking worse then the final two when it comes to true character.

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 10:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
IMO Scout amd Ami made the best showing on the jury, the others were kind of bummed that Twila could have possibly made it that far. Although it did seem like a double standard...Chris because he was male "played" them but Twila, a female "lied" to them.

Oh well, Chris played hard and deserved to win and I am very glad Twila and Scout got as far as they did. Pretty good season and I enjoyed every Thursday!


Kappy
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06-29-2002

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 10:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"Chris because was male "played" them but Twila, a female "lied" lied to them."

Amen, Wills.

As Twila said to Chris at the reunion - "I was painfully honest and lost and you lied like a dog and won".

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 10:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought Chris was just plain <QT>. He manipulated and lied and toyed with people even when he didn't have to.

Even at the very end, he was telling Scout he hadn't made up his mind. Yeah, right. At least she knew he was blowing smoke and didn't get her hopes up.

Funny, too, Eliza calls Twila a , and then wants an apology from her???? In what universe?

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 10:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i felt sorry for Twila, I wish her well.

Urgrace
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08-19-2000

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 10:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It looked like Jeff really liked Twyla. Did you notice when the show was over he went directly to her and gave her a big hug?

Never have liked the jury voting for someone like a popularity contest. Haven't they learned that it's outplay, outwit, outlast that they are supposed to be voting for? I'm glad Chris and Twyla made the final 2. They were the most deserving. At any rate, this was the best Survivor yet.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 11:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think there is a difference between being blunt and honest and simply tactless. Twila was often aggressively tactless and her big lie.. it wasn't like last year when someone demaded that someone swear on the life of a loved one, she just spontaneously came up with that to convince Ami and Leann.. whatever.. I'd like to think that I might have come around and voted with Ami and Scout but not sure I'd have been able to at that time.

Ladee
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12-12-2004

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 11:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sarge is just a big cry baby..like Jeff told him, he was upset over just hearsay. Chris voted Sarge off and as far as I am concerned Sarge is a creep. He said Twila and her son have to set it right with God.....Geeesh...all she said was a promise on her sons head...she didn't condemn him to hell if she told a lie...get over yourself Sarge.....Chris was a premeditated liar and Twila got caught up in her moment of having to tell a lie....Chris continued to lie and lie and lie.....yet everyone concentrates on the one lie Twila told....totally unfair. They all ended up being crybabies because they didn't win the money. In my opinion Twila deserves it more than Chris..he skated.

Ladee
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12-12-2004

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 11:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
PS....since when do all the players think you are going to go on Survivor and not LIE.....hasn't happened yet...don't these people watch from year to year. Twila played the best upfront game and Chris just played. Eliza lied openly on the very first show and then on the second...and then on the third and even laughed about it when she had her little one on one with the camera....then she expects Twila to apologize....Eliza, go home!!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 11:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

quote:

Never have liked the jury voting for someone like a popularity contest. Haven't they learned that it's outplay, outwit, outlast that they are supposed to be voting for?



I always saw it as exactly the opposite. Survivor, Big Brother, and the like are all first and foremost popularity contests. If it were anything else, the winner would be decided by a final challenge instead of by a vote. Any player who doesn't keep their jury appeal in mind isn't playing a very good game. The campaign is a big part of the game. Neglecting it is like running a marathon and then stopping right before the finish line.

I didn't care who won, since this season was the first time I actually needed constant reminding to tune in. However, I was glad that Twila took the time to put her feelings on the table regarding the thing about her son. Last week I was disgusted with her for cussing and fuming when it was brought up, but tonight I finally understood why she'd had such a strong reaction to being reminded of it. I understand why some of the others were so angry with her, and I don't think people who do things they know are scummy should whine about facing the consequences, but I was glad that the others got to see that she really did get it. They seemed to be able to get over it after that.

On the other hand, Julie seemed to have a change of heart about Chris after having watched the broadcasts. She must've seen something she didn't like once the shows aired. I got the impression she regretted voting for him to win.

Annie
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11-10-2004

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 1:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I actually thought for a moment Chris deserved to win, then I changed my mind. He didn't play the game. Although Twila was not my favorite, I felt bad for all the crap she took. IMO you can't play the game w/out lying at some point. Her only downfall was being so vocal (honest, in your face) game play. Eliza, Ami, Leeann, and Sarge were all big cry babies. They should change the final voting process to the live show, it would be less emotional and more honest. I was so glad Scout called them all on being self-righteous. Even in the end, the women alliance was nothing more than sniping and name calling. It's a no wonder it was a failure. Eliza was and probably still is a simp of a spoiled brat. I'm glad Twila didn't apologize to her. As for Chris, he spent his time apologizing for being an a$$ and they bought it. Even Jeff knew Twila was more deserving. Whether Twila was more "needy" or not, she did what she had to, to make it to the end. I think I'm safe in assuming, Twila sleeps better than Sarge, Leeann, Chris, and Eliza.

Cousin_jake
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07-04-2002

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 5:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I too was puzzled by all the venom directed toward Twila about swearing on her son's name. That was her one "big" lie but it was told under pressure and she almost immediatly regretted it. Chris, on the other hand, told many calculated lies. Frankly, I don't care that players lie, it's part of the game, but I don't get Sarge and Leann's venom toward only Twila. Sarge acted like a complete ass both at the final tribal council and at the reunion. (As did Eliza but I expected that)I was hoping things would have changed by the reunion when they'd had a chance to watch the shows. To me, Ami was the best post boot. At the moment of being voted off she was bitter but she recovered and gave credit for bring outplayed. Good for her. As for Sarge, he went way down in my opinion.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 6:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I cannot decide what to think about the "Jeff carrying the votes home" skit. The hacking his way through the jungle, the sky diving, the motorcycle drive to the stage. I realize it is a joke but I wonder why they do it. I did laugh as he "hacked" his way through the jungle till daylight.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 6:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
As y'all don't understand some of the game players, I don't understand some of the people here. Chris was just as deserving as Twila of the win. You didn't like the way he won? That's fine. He won challenges when he had to, stirred the pot when he had to, outright lied when he had to. He played just as hard as Twila did. If the people on the jury were taken in by his lies, that's their problem. And I don't think Jeff thought Twila was more deserving, just because he felt sorry for her and hugged her. Like he said, both of them deserved to be raked over the coils. I like Twila, but I lost some respect for her over the way she and Scout treated Eliza. It was childish, immature, and totally unnecessary to the game. No one came out of this game 'squeaky clean', but that's okay, too. I just think that anyone who makes it to the end deserves to be there, whether I like the way they play or not.