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Cousin_jake
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07-04-2002

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 6:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't feel that Chris wasn't as deserving as Twila - heck - whatever it takes to win. I just couldn't figure out the double standard re lies and I couldn't figure out Sarge's responses at all.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 6:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Anyone have a transcript of what Sarge said?

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 6:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I haven't seen the show yet, but was there any word from Jeff on the next season? Is there a next season?

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 7:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes. I think in March. It's a two syllable place that starts with P.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 7:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's Survivor Palau. It will be on in March after the Perfectly Wicked show.

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks....What is the Perfectly Wicked show??

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
IMHO, Its pure dumb luck who ends up at the end. I have watched this show since it started and it does not matter how you play the game. It depends on the mix you are with. One Survivor show the winner played devious, another by flying under the radar... etc. Just pure dumb luck.



Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I turned to konashark and said "I expect Eliza to give the Sue Hawk speech". Wow! Don't hurt yourself on that acid tongue. Apologize? <QT> This was Survivor. You are going to get your feelings hurt in this game - and that was the epitome of a sore loser.

Way to go, Scout, calling out the Bull that was in Chris - he is quite the spin master. After the jury questions, during the commercial, konashark said to me "if I was Chris, this is what I'd say...." and damn if that wasn't what Chris did. Apologize and say he would have done it different if he knew how much he was hurting his friends. Wow, more Bull. But that is how you play the game.
Any one remember Brian? He was the same - just a little more crafty about it in front of the others (avoiding very blatent promises). But boy did he tell it straight in the private interviews.

Props to Ami! Shame on Sarge. Chad, don't play poker. It wouldn't have matter who was sitting next to Chris, your vote was going to a guy.

The FBI let Brady come on the finale show? Not that we would have known. This has to be the least amount of input from the pre-jury boots (although they got their full interviews on the Early Show).

After watching the season (and having access to the private interviews), my vote would have gone to Twila. If I was out there playing the game, things might have gone differently - the viewers have a unique perspective that makes the player's actions sometimes questionable.

Now, on to Palau. It's one of the best places for SCUBA (the WWII wrecks make awesome fish reefs). And we are promised a twist that makes this game different from previous...well, 20 players is different. Can't make three teams from 20. Maybe we get our wish - one big tribe and every competition is random teams? Just wishing outloud.

Perfectly Wicked = Survivor of Wedding Planners with the winner getting an Apprenticeship with Martha Stewart Living corporation.

'squeek'

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
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Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ami is a serious babe! She looked so good last night--she has the most perfect teeth and a sexy mouth. I thought her hair looked great, too. I agree with whomever said the men don't look as good generally. I thought Chad looked great on the island, but not last night. Twila had, to be generous, an unfortunate run in with scissors. I'm not sure who thought those bangs and those layers on the top of her head were a good idea, but someone kindly keep him or her away from me.

I have liked Scout for a long time, but more because she just struggled through and seemed basically inept at everything except keeping her mouth closed most of the time and being ahead of the curve in game playing--she is the reason Chris and Twila made it to the final two, after all, since she initiated the alliance--but last night I was really happy to see her call Chris on his ability to lie and call the rest of the Survivors on their fake indignation. It was only better that Jeff called "Sarge" on his "moral values," too, because like many people who pretend to possess them, he is just a poseur; he is willing to listen to whatever slander he can wrap his ears around. Oh and did we know Scout has an artificial knee? I don't think I did.

I didn't like Twila or this season much until last night. That has changed. It was electric and I think Twila is, in more ways than one, a winner. I alkso decided Chris is most like former soft-porn actor/car salesman Brian than like any other survivor.

Carlito
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03-26-2004

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was so disappointed with the outcome of the jury voting against Twila. I kept waiting for Jeff to do the same thing for Twila they did for Rupert.She deserved to win survivor.I am so sick and tired of jury voting against someone rather than for someone to win.After all its a million dollar default to Chris.I was so upset with the jealousy and misdirected logic used by the female jurists that i wanted to punch them.All that smoke about Twila and her using her son was BS.Chris flat out did worse to all of them including the men and they did not call him on it. Scout was the only adult there and she did call chris out.It was too bad she couldnt convince the other children.IMO Twila was the winner even though she did not get the big prize.

I think Eliza,Leann,Julie and Sarge will reap what they have sown.They were wrong and know it.The game objective is to outwit,outlast and outplay to win the prize.They should all admit they were outplayed,outwitted, and outlasted and get over it! IMO Scout and Ami were adult about it and realized Twila did all that to win and beat them. <> I think Jeff knew they were wrong and kudos to him for calling them on it. Hopefully,next year
they will change the format of the jury to prevent this from continuing.

<mod LA>

Lve2laff
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01-16-2004

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
YOU TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH, CARLITO. I agree with you. I was so disappointed in Sarge---and so proud of Ami last night. I think true colors really showed in the reunion show. And, Eliza <> needs to get over herself.

<mod LA>

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A major part of Chris’ strategy was being nice and civil to the other players, even when the situation wasn’t going his way. People may think that this is obvious and easy but it isn’t at all. He could easily have been bitter and unpleasant. As far as we can tell, the guy kept smiling and helping out, no matter how much it looked like he was a sitting duck and would be voted out no matter what. That is good strategy and it really paid off for him in the end.

I like honest people and I think that with the exception of her one “big” lie, Twila played a much more honest game than Chris. However, while many here may find her outspokenness to be an endearing trait, we didn’t have to live with it for 39 days. You can be honest and tell it like it is without being abusive and nasty. Being abusive to people who will eventually decide whether you will win a million dollars is not good strategy.

Just to add, why do many people here feel that Eliza acted like a “spoiled brat”? I can’t recall her acting that way on the show. Now Twila and Scout referred to her that way many times but that is purely second-hand and distorted information. Was there any evidence shown on the show that Eliza behaved in some exceptionally bad way to warrant this description (other than yapping too much)?

Lve2laff
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01-16-2004

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 10:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I made the comment simply because, months later...after the filming ended she was still sending SOUR GRAPES about Twila. Come on, it was a game. I just feel like her actions, for the most part, was that of a spoiled brat. I did find myself, in the middle of the show, rooting for her...I was glad that she won the car-but I just dont know as the show progressed....

Cousin_jake
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07-04-2002

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 11:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Demanding apologies for being lied to? Bah - here's a soother Eliza. Also Sarge - for all his righteous indignation directed toward Twila - how comw he wasn't pissed at Julie for telling Twila the lie that caused her to switch plans and vote against him? Glad Jeff correctly called Sarge out on at the last tribal council - how come the venom directed at Twila for a lie that you weren't even there for and believed just based on hearsay? Sarge really came down in my estimation for his behaviour at the last tribal council and the live reunion.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 11:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I could've skipped the whole season and just watched the finale.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 11:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Actually, I did. I hadn't watched any episode since the first one, and then I watched the finale last night!!! :-)

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have found a very easy way to predict the winner once the F2 emerges - the person I don't want to win, will win. It is very, very simple.

The jury, no matter how they attempt to justify it afterwards, is always mean,jealous, petty, small, etc.

There have only been two Survivor winners I would have voted for: Brian and Ethan. The rest have been pretty icky and undeserving. Each of their opps hurt people's feelings and showed their strategy openly. The winners mostly got there through dumb luck and being carried along by the actions of others - both strategical and physical - or they were carried far because they were not seen as a threat.

Survivor has become incredibly predictable in a very sorry sort of way.

Jasper
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09-14-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Chris played a great game, was diplomatic most of the time and won challenges when it really mattered, did he deserve it, imo yes.

Did Twila play a good game, yes as well in a different way, and unfortunately for her she rubbed some people the wrong way.

They both lied to people, but I don't think anyone will ever win this without lying about something at sometime. The one thing that bugs me about Survivor is that fact that the 90% of the jury always seems to forget about their own behaviour.

As for Scout calling Chris out, I'm glad it didn't sway anyone from their vote, it seemed like a last ditch effort to get everyone to vote for Twila. I appreciated his comeback to her.

PS did anyone else have a snicker at the jury when both Eliza and Julie helped Ami down, seemed like she was still their queen bee, that's what charisma will do for you I guess!
Can't wait for Palua!


Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe Eliza wasn't mad about being lied to. Maybe she was mad because of the <> behaviour of Scout and Twila towards her that we saw last Thursday and last night. And no, I'm not an Eliza fan, I really liked Twila until she behaved so nastily for absolutely no reason.

<mod LA>

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree Ladytex! I don't think Eliza was mad about being lied to as I think she felt that that was some part of the game. After all she wasn't all that upset at Chris.

What she was mad about was the way that Twila and Scout treated her for the whole length of time she was in the game. Chris didn't treat her that way. Being honest and outspoken can be admirable but not when you're stuck on an island for 39 days with someone who is "being honest and outspoken" by repeatedly telling you that they want to get rid of you and that you are undeserving and annoying (should I go on?).

Like it or not, part of playing a good game is getting to the end in a way that doesn't unnecessarily irritate the jury. In that respect, Twila's play was very poor.

Hippyt
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06-15-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 12:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Chris is a very deserving winner. After all,the motto is outplay,outwit,outlast. He certainly did all three of those.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 1:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Okay, y'all ... you need to head on over to the fishbowl, right now Rory and John P are in chat and folks are dropping in and out all afternoon.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 7:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ladytex, I've agreed with all of your comments. I'm glad Chris won instead of Twila. He did what he had to do without being outright nasty and grating to people. Twila's mouth would have driven me crazy, esp. when she rubbed me the wrong way often just watching the little bit of the experience we did from home.

I also felt sort of bad for Chris. He WAS the winner, not Twila. Last night was like the "Twila show" and not about who actually won. I wanted to like Twila and root for her, but it was her own actions, which had nothing to do with the lie about her son btw, which totally turned me off.

Chris may be the biggest bullshitter of all time, but he wasn't outright nasty to people and that's part of playing the game, imho.

I was glad they finally at least made a token mention to the island hottie Brady who was voted off far before his time (well for me because I liked looking at him.. teehee.) I guess his new wife probably is happy to have him to herself though.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 10:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Does ANYONE think the whole reunion show came off as hard on Twila? Everything seemed to bash some aspect of Twila's game play. To me, it felt like a nasty version of "This Is Your Life". Ugh. Towards the end, if you rewatch it, the bring up the "swear on my son" thing AGAIN, and they show Twila sort of rolling her eyes like "ugh, we're still dwelling on this?"

I think it was cool that Chris won, because he was pretty much doomed before they managed to flip the script on Leanne.

I also would have been happy if Twila won. Sure she swore, and some of us/them thought it was a bad karma thing, but she played it fairly honestly. She was herself the whole time. And the samaritan in me would have liked to see her get the money, as she works hard to provide.

Carlito - How would you like to see the jury format changed? I'm interested in your ideas.

I agree with whoever said the non-jury members weren't given much attention.

My final thought is why didn't Chris just say to the jury "Why would I take someone who could beat me in the final two immunity challenges?" I really think that he took Scout and Twila because they were easy to beat. Why don't people ever tell the REAL reasons that they voted the way they did? I think Chris voted the smartest way by getting rid of Julie and Eliza, he upped his odds of winning the whole thing. What is so wrong about saying "You know Eliza, you know Julie, if I were with YOU TWO in the final three, you would have given me a run for my money in immunity challenges, and were probably more LIKED by the people on the jury, so that I would be shooting myself in the foot by bringing either of you two along."

There is no way Eliza or Julie could have argued with THAT. And isn't that why he took the two older women? Because they were easier to beat in challenges, and in the final vote?