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Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Mangong away. Their arrogant attitude at the very beginning deserves just what they're going to get in the coming weeks.

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have to confess, Rory was my least favorite Survivor ever. He nagged, complained, kvetched, cajoled, ad yammered in that nasal voice so much I don't know how he made it as far as he did. I know the guys thought about getting rid of him earlier and I was amazed they didn't. Then the women didn't because they needed someone who worked around camp. But thank heavens they have gotten rid of him now.

At this point, those women have an island Sappho would be proud of....and poor Sarge doesn't know what to do! I do hope Chris goes next, though. Chad and Sarge are OK by me...just wish we had some of those cute guys they got rid of so quickly.

carlito, Bamboozled was Spike's film from 2000 that asserted that African American actors have to be minstrel performers to succeed. They even perform in blackface

Happymom
Member

01-20-2003

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Twila seemed totally hyped up on coffee! At times, she was talking a mile a min.!

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 11:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I’d like to weigh in here after they all now know what the lines are. Of course we could see it coming. I’m think the guys should have seen it coming too—and whatever they get they did to themselves. First they vote off the men who would do best in the challenges—making the chance to win team immunity decrease with each trip to TC. It would seem that since the current guys didn’t see it till the votes were read, they may have also voted off all of their insightful players.

Rory was made quite aware of the plan—the woman came right out and told him so—it was only his ability to shine in each challenge that gave him an extra 3 days. He tried his best to tell all the other guys what was going on—and still they didn’t listen. I think he had reason to be happy being back with people who weren’t overtly telling him he’s next—until he found out they had closed their minds to the possibility of being played like a harp. He finally got them to all go for Ami—of course having John there and one of the other two woman gone would have made it 5 to 5.

So, they dug their own grave. I noticed in the previews Sarge whining about what was going on—yet he didn’t whine at himself for the poor choices he helped make that got him to that point. Too bad he didn’t—I was hoping he would (along with the other guys) be willing to take responsibility for what they did. Even with all the chatter back and forth after the tow tribes net with John being gone, the guys still didn’t get it.

Now on to this issue of gender based alliances. I just don’t get who it’s ok for the women to band together and want to vote off the guys just because they are guys, yet it’s not ok by the people on the board when the few times it’s happened the men wanted to vote off the women just because they were women. Personally, I think saying you deserve to win because you are either gender just doesn’t add up. Yet, in the history of TVCH, it’s been ok (in general) when a woman or the women do so, but not when a man or the men say so.

Pamy, I think your term of mangoning is an excellent one! Great job!

Congratulations to the women for being able to get a 6-3 advantage.

I wonder if the remaining men will work for water, fire, etc for themselves only, letting the 6 women fend for themselves? Scout and Twila have proven to be hard workers—the other 4 women have not. Or if they will try to break up that 6 person alliance, hoping to get 2 women to join in so they have a 5 to 4 edge. I just don’t see that happening in 3 days time. I look for the count to be 6-2 after next Thursday night—and I also figure that as soon as Sarge doesn’t have immunity, he is gone.


Bbfanatic
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08-14-2000

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 11:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tishala- I agree with you about Rory. Plus, I remember him being kind of rude in the beginning. That made him stand out. I dont think the others forgot that.



Native_texan
Member

08-24-2004

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lance, I agree with you. I have no problem with the gender race here. The biggest mistake the men made was making it an age race among themselves and taking out the strongest players first.

Do the women realize that once the men are gone, they will have to turn on each other? Maybe that's why they are all cozying up to Ami right now. I would love to see each of the women discover they actually have the ability to think for themselves and take Ami out first.

Although I hated to see it happen, Twila and Julie made the right choice. If they had stayed with the men, once all the other women were gone, they would be next. At least with the women, they have a possible chance.

Bob2112
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06-12-2002

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Don't forget that the only reason that the men could have made it 5-5 last week was because Ami turned on Lisa and had her booted instead of Rory the week before. She opened the door for the guys top tie it up, when she should have gotten rid of Rory first. Then, even if they lost immunity the next week, they could have booted Lisa and not risked losing the advantage.

The only hope I see for Sarge (and the other guys) lies in Twila and Scout. Twila seemed open to booting Eliza, but wanted to get rid of Rory first. Sarge may be able to guilt her into voting out Eliza this week. (Especially if Eliza catches a pig and pulls a Kimi and won't let them eat the pig).

Scout appears to be the only other woman (Ami being the first) that is mentally strong enough to be willing to make a decision on her own and against the group. She did choose to go against the group because she would not vote Lisa out, so she may be willing to do it again (at least for one week) and boot Eliza (before a stronger player) out of some sense of either fair play or a small gesture for tricking Sarge and the guys this week.

Of course, the following week they'll call it even and boot the guys anyway, but maybe for one week there can be a flicker of hope.

or

Theory #2: All the guys are gone 3 weeks from now.


Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I disagree that the men made a mistake by booting off the young guys first. They didn't need physical strength to win the ICs that they lost. They also had the disavantage of being forced to boot someone even though they "won" the combined RC/IC. Besides, it's the young guys who tried to form an alliance first, and they stupidly did it without the numbers to back them up. Even before his exit, JK was trying to get rid of Chad instead of Julie or Twila.

Padivius
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08-21-2003

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 6:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I can't believe there are people who value sex appeal more than good gameplay on a show like this.
Sorry, I take it back... it is very easy to believe that. However, I think it's a very immature way to look at it.
I watch this show to see interpersonal skills tried and strategic skills honed, which is what this game is about. It's not about watching some immature young, good-looking people walk all over those who are there to really play the game, and not spend the day at the beach.
You know, much as I find someone like Julie attractive, I'd much rather see her go and watch Twila and Sarge for the rest of the game. I am so glad that the older crowd has dominated this time, because it's been a long time coming.

I was not sorry in the least to see Brook, Brady, John K, John P, or Mia leave. Their generation (which incidentally, is MY generation) finally got what was coming to it. And not a moment too soon either.

-Padi

March
Member

10-02-2003

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 8:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yeah Padivius, I totally agree.


Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm terribly sorry for my "immature" attitude about whom I would rather watch on network television. I stand by it in all its glowing sarcasm.

Catfat
Member

02-27-2002

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 12:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Way to go, Tishala!! LOL

Csnog
Member

07-18-2002

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The pig comes with the tree mail. She didn't catch it.

Twila wanted Rory out first because in her mind he could win challenges, was stronger and she saw herself relegated lower on the mens side along with being shown as leaving the all female alliance. I don't think she will stay long unless she gets back into the good graces of Sarge and they bring another female into the group.

The women will dump her as soon as the men are gone.

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 9:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Does ANYONE think Ami will be next, like Twila wanted to happen? She said to Sarge that Rory had to go first, THEN Ami. Does anyone think this could happen??

Hippyt
Member

06-15-2001

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 9:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
yeah

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Nope--I think the gals will go through with the purging of the guys.

Ok, they still can get rid of a woman and have a clear edge in the numbers--and may think to get rid of a strong woman first. If they do that, then they will through all sorts of suspicions into the gal alliance.