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Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wish Twila had won. Chris just got on my nerves last night with his <> attitude (and I usually ignore that kind of thing) and his condescending statements about women. I think it is ironic that he is the one who the women kept with them for so long...I wonder in watching the shows and the reunion show and seeing his statements has anyone's mind been changed about his character (and his ego)? Somehow I don't see a lifetime of success for him...I would think he would plow through the $1 million and be back working on a road crew again in the future.

All in all my all-time least favorite winner.

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Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 1:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow...you like Amber more than Chris!?!?!

Amber is my #1 least deserving Winner...followed by Jenna M.

Yup..I think of all the Contestants...Sarge disappointed me the most and Ami redeemed herself the most.

Yikes! I could find myself rooting for Ami if she had let her true self shine through like she did last night at the reunion.

My final thoughts: Chris deserved to win as much as Twila did. I was rooting for Twila, but I knew she was doomed from the moment the questions began. Good for her for not backing down.

Ami voting for Twila just blew me away and was the most unexpected move I've ever witnessed on Survivor.

Trisha1
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08-08-2002

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 1:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Chris played a flawless game and really deserved to win! Twila-when she swore on her sons head that was it for me. Apart from her harsh nastiness especially towards Eliza, I found her to be over the top.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I like Chris. He probably overcame the greatest odds to win of anyone ever on Survivor. I think most of his comments about women in general were tongue in cheek but often right on target.

Yeah, he has an ego, but so did all the rest. I don't think many people would get very far in this game without an enormous ego.

I did not seen anything to make me question his character. They made a big thing about his lying, but everyone lied in this game either by commission or omission. I questioned his being so vehement to Julie and Eliza, but I guess he thought it was necessary or he would not have done it. He had to know it would tick them off. And did he dare tell them the truth? It would have sent them scrambling to make other deals and who could blame them? Look what happened when Eliza found out she was going to be voted off by Ami and her pals.

I thought it was interesting what one of the women said (can't remember which one) when asked about the women's alliance. She said she did not want to go to the end with "all" the women, just that she wanted the last four to be women. Of course she wanted one of those to be her.

People ask what the weakness in the women's alliance was. Doesn't seem to hard to figure out to me. Seems the "women in power" felt they had the right to dictate who was going to go and stay and those leaving should be happy because the winner would be a women. Well, I imagine none of them were happy with being a willing sacrifice just so some other women could win, so they rebelled and that ended the alliance. Would have been the same thing if they had been men. It had nothing to do with gender. It had to do with the situation.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I really liked the final speeches of both. I thought they were the most sincere and well spoken of any ever on survivor.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 2:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought at times Twila was very harsh when there was simply no reason for it. She and Scout did gang up on Eliza at times.. calling an adult "little one" all the time is hardly appropriate.

And we all talk about the "rules" and of course there really are very few of them.. you have to remain there (not be voted out, have to be evacuated, die, quite, etc.) at the end AND you have to get more votes from the jury.

However we often seem to have our own unwritten rules for the JURY as well. Frankly, whoever gets to final two is there, and must "deserve" it under the non-rules but then the jury votes following their own non-rules and the final winner must therefore "deserve" it.

It is too bad that this time no one asked either of them what they planned to do with the money (not that it is really their business, but it is fair game to ask and to use the answer in their decision).

I would have been interested to hear more from Twila about her life, why she is working three jobs, etc.. if she won would she go back to school? Actually even with $100,000 (before taxes) IF she isn't heavily in debt, she may now be able to get training so that she can then work just one job to get by).

And Chris.. would be interesting to at least get him to put on the record what he'd be doing.

When he won and ran out to his family I saw a person who was a Chris clone with a harsher face and worse hairstyle (yeah..) with a rather hard/manic look and I thought.. whoa.. guess who plans to help him spend it? I hope his fiance steps in and makes sure they get married and then they decide as a couple, what to do.

Mak1
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08-12-2002

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 3:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lol, Sea, I noticed that intense family person, too.

On Good Morning, Twila said she will use her money to pay bills. Asked if she had enough after taxes to pay all of them, she said she'll most likely come up a bit short. Chris mentioned plans to buy a Harley, finish their house, and that there are a few charities he and his fiance are interested in helping. (He named them, but I don't remember....CRS.) His fiance said their wedding will be bigger, especially with all the people they now want to invite. She looked towards the other Survivors after that statement. I know I've forgotten some of what Chris said, but those were the things that stood out in my memory. He plans to go back to his job because he really likes the job and the friends he works with.

Vanuatu seemed like one of the best places Survivor has used for a location. They didn't appear to be starving as badly as most previous casts, water seemed to be in good supply, and they weren't all bug-bitten.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You know, this season... In my opinion was full of some of the most unlikeable survivors ever. I thought Scout acted sanctimonious most of the time (and that bit with the pillow did not endear her to me). Twila was downright nasty -- I never did see a reason for her to treat Eliza the way she did. I thought Chris was a <QT>.... and so on and so on and so on. If I were on that jury, I'd be having to do that "vote against" someone.

I'm watching the reunion show right now. I still have a really bad taste in my mouth. In my opinion this was the worst season ever (well, OK, maybe tied to that one where Amber won).

I know some of you gripe about the popularity contest, but heck. It'd be nice to actually LIKE the winner of the show! (Whomever said Jenna and Amber? I agree there, too!)

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 5:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I actually LIKED Sandra -- the winner from 2 seasons ago. She was blunt, like Twila, and a bit sneaky, but she was less abrasive. Yup -- been awhile since we've had a "likeable" winner.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 6:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
THanks so much Mak.. I recorded the Early show but my DVR then ate it up.. my fault, should have marked it to be saved because I know that the DVR is clueless about the actual capacity of the drive.. sigh.. and I was upstairs watching other stuff.. (Peterson trial)

So Twila has a hunk of debt then.. unless she is counting paying off a mortgage, but that sounds unlikely.

Well.. bottom line, this money cannot HURT her and she may find some opportunities due to her "fame".

Sounds like good answers from both of them.. cool.. though I hope he buys a good helmet with the Harley.

Costa, I didn't find them to be all that unlikeable or all that likeable.. it was mostly "meh". I happened to like Amy and I liked Braday and of course some of the early leavers we never do get to know.. for instance, this wasn't a year when the firt voted out on each team were hated by their team, really.. I share some of your feelings about Scout and Twila and Chris and others but they didn't rise to the level of other "villains".. I guess they simply were unpleasant but not really entertaining.

Twila had the potential to be entertaining but she was just, for me, unlikeable most of the time (I think she showed grit and guts,but I didn't find myself rooting for her much). Sandra remains my favorite winner. Oh.. snork.. yes, Teach, you too? Sandra was less abrasive but really just more entertaining and likeable. IMO, of course.

Gen
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08-22-2003

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The Charity that Chris mentioned on the Early Show is the Victory Junction Gang Camp in North Carolina. It was co-founded by Kyle (NASCAR driver) and Pattie Petty in memory of their son, Adam, along with Paul Newman. Adam died in May of 2000.

The Victory Junction Gang Camp will enrich the lives of children with chronic or life-threatening illnesses by creating camping experiences that are memorable, exciting, fun, empowering, physically safe and medically sound.

http://www.victoryjunction.org/vj/index/home

Ladybug007
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08-13-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 8:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Still, Twila has a mullet.

Annie
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11-10-2004

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 9:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sorry Trisha, I don't think Chris played a flawless game, he lucked out being in the right place when the women alliance started falling apart. IMO, he spent that last tribal council kissing everyone's rear. Twila was never a favorite of mine, she was abrasive and spoke her mind. But she was also the one who nudged Chris into breaking the women's alliance, Chris couldn't figure that out for himself. Flawless? I hardly thing so. As for Eliza, she annoyed everyone from the get go with her non stop chattering. I think it would be nearly impossible to not lie in this game. If you go in thinking you can be honest and hold yourself to a higher standard, you may as well go in with a one way ticket home after one week.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 12:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I dont think Chris lucked out for final two. Anyone who does archer knows that it is about strength in the arms and shoulders...this final competition was picked for Chris to win (in my opinion) just as the balance beam endurance challenge was Jenna M's to win.


Twila has been my favourite since day one unfortunately women are more unforgiving of an outspoken aggressive woman than they are an outspoken aggressive man. I feel Chris got away with alot as he was male. He also was a really good liar.

I felt bad for his finance...there was no need to keep her in the dark all these months. This is the first time we have heard of a finalist lying to their family that they were in the final two. This says MORE about his character than his seemingly FAKE speech about doing things during the game that wasnt his character.

I felt Chris won this game at the final tribal council. Twila simply could not speak clearly enough (make her thoughts known) and therefore lost the game right there. ALSO, am I wrong?? I thought SCOUT originally came to Chris with the deal. Twila did LATER but Scout did first.

I was so upset that Twila sat quietly and let Chris set her up. Like he was the innocent party who hooked up with her AFTER she offered a deal. Twila talked about Julie then Eliza being brought into the Scout Leanne Ami final four but she didnt Hammer it home the way she should have. Allowing herself to be baited about the little white lie was also a 'game losing' point that Twila screwed up on.

I feel worst about Sarge's attack on Twila. It bothers me that he KNEW that twila worked seven days a week at 3 jobs and yet made his decision for Chris based on revenge. Chris is a construction worker?? if I recall correctly. Up here in Canada they make GOOD MONEY!!

I still think that the voting for the winner should take place a day or so AFTER the question period at TC so emotional choices would be unlikely.

Oh, and to finish off my rant (I have been avoiding the Survivor area due to...well, you know) ELiza acted like a youngster, child...and she was small. The nonstop nattering would drive most people MAD! She focused her anger on Twila when the true person who screwed her over was Chris. strange how that goes eh?

FINAL THOUGHT~!!! This is still just a glorified popularity contest

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 12:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"this final competition was picked for Chris to win (in my opinion) just as the balance beam endurance challenge was Jenna M's to win."

As has been pointed out in prior seasons, challenges are decided upon before the game starts. The final competition would've been the same had Chris not been in the final three.

Chris is under contractual obligation not to tell anyone how/when/if he was booted for the game or where he ended up finishing. Other contestants families have reported the same, that they didn't know when their brother/sister/husband/wife etc. finished. If I made final two, I would especially not tell anyone because of the financial penalty. To hold against him his following his contractual obligation and that it somehow sullies his character is absurd.

Lastly, whether one of the final two is dirt poor and the other fantastically rich doesn't mean the poor person deserves to win if the rich person played a better game. It's about playing the game of Survivor; not the game of I'm the poorest give me a million dollars. So, even if Sarge felt Chris played a better game he should've voted for Twila because she works seven days a week and has three jobs? Yeah, I don't think so.

Survivor isn't just a physical and mental game. It's a social game as well. That doesn't equal popularity contest. If that were truly the case, some of the winners of past Survivors wouldn't have won.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 1:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
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Anyways, like I said, if this complete secrecy clause was done each season why was it made look like it was unusual this year?? Also, I think we all know they are also NOT ALLOWED to contact each other prior to the final show and they do as well...... so.....stands to reason....

Yes, in my opinion it is a popularity contest based on our socially acceptable ideals. ie/ pretty girl jenna M& Tina & Amber---- pretty guy Ethan & Car-dealer porn guy(gak cant remember his name!!Brian???)---easy to get along with Jenna/ Tina/ Ethan/ Brian/ Amber

<> I did not SAY that Twila was more deserving. So, even if Sarge felt Chris played a better game he should've voted for Twila because she works seven days a week and has three jobs? Yeah, I don't think so.
I said very clearly that yet made his decision for Chris based on revenge. THAT was my point...i said NOTHING about who was deserving. That was your thought and your perspective, not mine. I was commenting on Sarge and his previous comments.

On a final note, yes I know that the challenges all have to be okayed by higherups prior to being used. If you, have link showing that the challenges are put into a certain PREDESTINED nonmovable order PRIOR to the producers knowing which contestants will compete that week, well I'd love to have it.

Everyone I know, and family wonders HOW and WHY they chose certain comps for certain times.

This is my final post on this subject but will come back to find that link. I look forward to reading about how the challenges are set in stone.

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Wendo
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08-07-2000

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 2:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
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How was the "secrecy clause" made to look unusual this year? Because Jeff asked Chris's fiance if Chris told her he was booted the night she was there? Jeff asked a question, that's all. He wanted to know if Chris told her or not. He didn't. Other Survivor's haven't told either. As far as the Survivor's not being allowed to contact one another, I've never heard that. We all know that they're not allowed to even hint as to what will happen on the show. But not contact each other, I don't think so. Maybe you're confusing this with The Bachelor rules.

I continue to disagree with the notion that Survivor is a popularity contest. Anyone who's watched each and every Survivor knows that it's not always the pretty ones who win.

Surivor one: Rich vs Kelly. Virtually EVERYONE hated Rich (except for Rudy.) Yet, he still one.

Survivor two: Colby vs Tina. I think most would agree that between the two Colby is the "prettier" one.

Survivor three: Ethan vs Kim J. From what I remember, Kim J. didn't endear herself to the jury as Ethan did. And, Ethan bonded with the others more.

Survivor four: Vecepia vs Neela. Again, the young, pretty one didn't win. Just the person who the jury thought played better.

Survivor five: Brian vs Clay. Personally, I didn't think either of these two were that "pretty." And, the jury found Brian to be rather "slick". However, they felt he played a calculated game.

Survivor six: Jenna vs Matt. Most of the jurors who voted for Jenna to win said what swayed them the most was her winning the last two immunity challenges; also, her knowing not to take Rob to the final two. Further, I think Matt's rather nice looking.

Survivor seven: Sandra vs Lillian. Again, two who do not fit your definition of "young and pretty". Lillian, wearer of the Boy Scout uniform, lost because of said uniform. Saying she was honoring the code of the Boy Scouts while lying out of the other side of her mouth. That did her in.

Survivor eight: Rob vs Amber. Again, Rob played a bad social game, pissing off jury members. And, I think many would argue that Rob is quite the nice looking fellow too.

Survivor America votes: Rupert vs Colby. Rupert winning by America's vote. Hmmm, Rupert as "young and pretty." He's a great teddy bear kind of guy, but I think Colby has him beat in the looks department.

Survivor 9: Twila vs Chris. Again, I don't think Chris (or Twila) is a dog, but they hardly fit into the "pretty" category. Again, both played the game well, one played the social aspect of it better.

The jury votes in all these past Survivors and why they voted contradicts the notion of Survivor being a popularity contest. Every jury member has given us a reason (whether we agreed or not) as to why they voted the way the did. I've never heard any of them state it was for popularity.

I never said you felt Twila was more deserving. I merely pointed out that money or lack thereof isn't necessarily a consideration to give one a vote. Sarge voted out of revenge because he felt betrayed by Twila. He also felt Chris played a better game. Why is it wrong for Sarge to vote out of revenge (there are no rules when it comes to how the jury votes)? And, why is it wrong because he knew Twila's work schedule? You pointed it out in your prior post, not me.

I think most who watch Survivor can surmise that the challenges are approved by the higher ups. As for the challenges being set, I have no link for that. I recall it from a tv interview that Jeff Probst did a while back. They don't choose HOW and WHY for certain competitions. They're thought up before the show begins and the order is set. Period. Perhaps someone here on the board will be able to comment on this.

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Kaili
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 5:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The jury members all give great reasons...wasn't it Survivor (or was it Big Brother?) where someone told one of the finalists to "pick a number"?

Actually, when laid out like that, I'd say you're right, Wendo. I think as you watch and forget the other ones because you're "in the moment", it may seem like it's all popularity....but "popularity is part of it- it's the part where you win the social aspect of the game. People aren't just popular for looks, people are popular for having good personalities and not pissing people off.

Sure, one or two jurors may at times vote based on emotion or whatever--- but think about how many times we've tried to predict the votes and we often are wrong. Like thinking there's no way Ami would have voted for Twila. Or that there was no way Jenna M. would win (she did easily). And in any case, who are we to say they voted for the wrong person? They were there- not us. We know all about editing and the warped impression it can give us of people. If I recall, Jenna M. was originally going to be edited as the sweet girl-next-door.

Baylex1
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08-20-2004

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 6:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree that just because someone is poor they are not more deserving. That's just plain bs to vote along those lines. What really bugs me is people asking what charity the winner is planning on helping. I would just say that I haven't decided. It's nobody's business what the winner does with the money. I did not like Sarge or Twila. <mod LA>

Faerygdds
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08-29-2000

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The other thing that I see as wrong with the whole... "the last comp was MADE for Chris to win is this..."

Every year the final 3 comp is endurance. and Every year (exception being Thailand) the women can outlast the men -- especially in the balance department! When I saw what the competition was, I was THRILLED that they had levelled the playing field.

The game was thus -- Would Chris, with his horrible balance be able to outlast the arm strength of Twila?

Ultimately though it wasn't about arm strength, it was about balance... both Twila and Scout fell off because they were thinking about their hands and not their feet.

And Wendo, you are correct... There was a "Survivor food challenge" on Oprah once and they had one of the challenge coordinators on and he said the challenges were coordinated and set before the show starts.



Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 7:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It is really hard to second guess why a juror makes a certain vote in any of the Survivor (or Big Brother) games. We only see less than 1/7th of 1/24th of the activities and interactions at camps & competitions between contestants. And we see some of the private interviews that they don't see. And none of us ever sees/hears about interactions at the sequester camp. I'm sure later boots are bad mouthing the final two. And there is more to the Tribal Council interactions that the jury sees but is edited down. There was a post-Survivor article that said some TCs are over an hour of interview and then they sit around while the producers are putting the votes in a certain order for Jeff to pull.

We are manipulated by the editors/producers to view each contestant as a character. It plays on our emotions and creates water-cooler discussions for days - that means these guys are doing their job. If there wasn't controversy, even fewer people would watch the show (and - did you see? Desperate Housewives beat Survivor Vanuatu finale in the ratings on Sunday, 22 million to 18 million).

My opinion? Jeff liked the 'character' that Twila brought to the show. And I think he wanted her to win (just from some of the questions he asked). Probably because of the rags-to-riches story potential (ala Rupert).

'squeek'

Misspoufy
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09-30-2004

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
We all become so emotionally invested in these reality television shows we forget the most important, major component...they are a game. Just like Jeopardy, how much money was Ken Jennings going to win before someone finally beat him, this is a game show with exotic locales and earthy, gritty people.

If our emotions become so involved just imagine how the participants become involved. In this microcosm the interactions are extremely intense, and this little world is all the reality those people know for 39 days. It's no wonder their feelings become hurt so easily and I believe their true characters shine brightly. So when I see a few sour grapes, a la Sarge, I don't take it to heart. He didn't win, someone else got further than he did and it was tough for his macho self to accept.

As for who won, I think Chris deserved the win. Sure he lied, I've not yet seen a Survivor winner who DIDN'T lie...that's all a part of the game. Outwit. Isn't that one of the words in the motto?

Personally, I liked Twila, but I believe her mouth was her downfall. If she could have kept it shut more she'd have won.

I'm already looking forward to the next installment of Survivor....but geez March is a long way off :-(



Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I still don't like Chris...I also thought that Twila did some horrible things but I believe, in the final tribal counsel, her remorse was sincere. I think Chris was calculated.

To me Amber was just boring. I didn't dislike or like her...she just was like wallpaper.

And my least favorite thing...him saying he was going to use some of his winnings to make himself a better person. IMO money does not make a person better, it just makes them richer. You can't buy yourself more character.

And yes, I know its just a game. It isn't a matter of life and death to me, just great entertainment. I'm always torn when my favorite shows come to a conclusion...I am happy to have more free time but I miss my shows when they are gone...LOL!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 1:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yee haw!! misquoted again Yes, in my opinion it is a popularity contest based on our socially acceptable ideals. ie/ pretty girl & pretty guy & easy to get along with

Not sure how anyone could think I meant only the pretty ones win LOL But i did give examples of each in the previous post.

I notice the links werent available proving that the Challenges were preset up in a specific order not related to whom is Better TV for final two.

Of course I believe that All challenges and puzzles are checked out ahead of time for acceptable risk/ danger and difficulty. That is a given!! But the order that they occur seems suspect...like Shiann's endurance comp win. ((Mind you I LOVE conspiracy theories wink wink))

Hey, remember that one puzzle combination of word games that was submitted by a young girl? It would be fun if the public were allowed to submit ideas. Maybe there'd be some NEW ideas.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 1:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
oh and actually Richard Hatch was kinda easy to get along with and personable. In many ways he is goodlooking as well.

It really does come down to 'who gets along with whom' whether you make it to the end. Colby left some with bad feelings......tina got along with everyone, for example.

Anyways, I promised not to BLAB so I will leave ya all again. Take care til next season!!

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 5:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Of course a huge part of it is who gets along better with the others best. Sometimes. Other times the jerk of the season is kept around to be taken to the end (after slipping by due to bigger threats). This happens all the time on Big Brother, and from Survivor: Clay made F2 becuase he wasn't a threat to Brian to lose to.