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Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 4:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This is about the politics of division. With the men and women on different teams... the male/female divide will not play into the game... YET.

Looks like the guys are going with YOUNG people vs OLD people as on opening salvo.

We will see how many ways these people can divide and sub-divide each other.


Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 5:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think after the way the show opened, that some of the women were put out that the men did get special treatment. Jeff stated and warned them not to get upset and to remember that they are in a different country..some people might think it was for the benefit of the pig killing...but the more astute viewer will know it was for the benefit of the women that they will be treated differently...ie..their customs are different from ours.

American women, regardless of different country or not, will not tolerate the lower treatment. Thus, I figure the women will make it a point to show that they can be as strong as the men...and they did such tonight.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 5:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In some ways, I can see the girls also going with YOUNG vs OLD with the way Scout and Twila commented on the "sorority" girls out in the water.

Ghostof4h
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08-26-2004

Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I honestly thought Chis was gone, which would have sucked because he lives like 30 miles from my house.

I think Scout on the women's tribe is an early boot.

Lot's of total cuties (female..lol) on Vanuatu. Makes me wish they had picked me, dammit!

Cablejockey
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12-27-2001

Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If they are smart, they will get rid of the young and self indulgent ones now. Every show there is a group who lets the other do all the initial hard work while they lie around. Later the worker bees are booted out and the lazy drones are around for the finish. It does remind me of the Jenna Heidi group, and look how they ended up. Just for once I'd like to see that lazy group get the boot early.

Ghostof4h
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08-26-2004

Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 5:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Does anyone have any idea why I posted "Lot's" instead of "Lots" above?

Freckledgrl
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08-27-2003

Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 5:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Because all the cuties were clouding your brain paths? ;)

Ghostof4h
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08-26-2004

Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 5:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe my mandana was too tight.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 6:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Here I was getting all Psych 101 and that's not what was intended..heheh, silly me.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 7:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You got it right Nick.

Your post was good.


Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 8:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Cablejockey - I agree, that's the way I would like to see it played but I think Scout and Twila will be the first to go off the womens tribe.

On the mens team I was surprised <self-edited in case someone hasn't watched the show> was voted off but he may have talked "game" too much. They didn't show us enough on the show for us to be able to tell exactly what rubbed them wrong or gave them reason to ditch him other than being part of the 4 young, buff guys group.

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 4:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't see Scout lasting long, or Twila, either. Scout disappointed me though- I guess I had really high expectations of liking her and she didn't shine like I expected. Then again, we didn't really get to know anyone at all. I can see Twila being too bossy and too aggressive though. I see the women going into age based alliances.

I didn't get why the FBI guy was the only one to vote for Rory...was he out of the loop? Did he not want to vote with the young guys or vote against Brook? I thought maybe he was trying to keep Chris while not pissing off the rest of the young guys by voting against one of them.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 4:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Brady did not want to align with anyone yet and sincerely did not like Rory. Good move. It is very early to divide. They have to stick together and beat the women. Voting Brook left them one strong man short. Odd choice.

Scout and Twila are going if they do not relax on the work eithic spouting. Foolish to get your tail in a knot so early on and diss the voting power. The younger women were helping, just took some breaks. The editing would make us think they were doing nothing.

I always wonder why the work horses do not delegate lesser but necessary tasks to those who do not have the inclination or skill to build a shelter. Why alianate anyone the first few days?

Jasper
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09-14-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 5:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Seems like Brady was totally left out of the loop, I enjoyed last nights show immensely but think Twila needs captions. At this point I don't feel like we really got to see much of anyones personalities so I'll reserve judgement on everyone for now.



Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 5:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wasn't sure I would like Twila when I saw her face during the tribal ceremonies. She had this intense look on her face, almost like she was angry.

Then I remembered that sometimes when I'm concentrating or trying to listen when I can't hear something, I've been told that I look angry and pissed off when actually I'm not. Wonder if Twila has that same facial look as me? It was loud there and I'm sure she was trying to understand what was going on.

When I saw her working and commenting on the Sorority girls...I actually thought she was funny. I don't know if Twila was harping on the younsters for not helping out, she may have just mentioned it to them (they didn't really show it), all they showed was the girls complaining that they were helping...just taking more breaks... I fell over laughing... Yeah...Breaks... stopping in the middle of hard work to bathe and sit and chit chat.

Unfortunately the youngsters will resent having someone tell them what they SHOULD be doing and will most likely vote them out, but I'll bet they won't until AFTER all the stuff they need has been built and set up!!! LOL

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 5:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Does anyone have any idea why I posted "Lot's" instead of "Lots" above?

Ghost, does it have anything to do with a large, wife-shaped pillar of salt?

Jandy
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02-02-2004

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 6:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i wondered why the older women didn't just call the sorority girls over and tell them they wanted help. It would have made the point.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 6:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Your right Jandy it would have made the point perfectly...

...but my guess is the girls would have complained that they didn't need anyone bossing them around...

When you have people who feel the need to get things done now and people who feel the need to get things done whenever, it doesn't really matter what is said, or how its said, because the outcome will still be the same. It always turns into the "YOUR BOSSY"..."YOUR LAZY" confrontation. It happens year after year in Survivor... its as sure as the lack of fire on the first night....

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 7:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Those diary talks are really interviews. They are asked to give comments on the other outcasts. They were probably asked what they thought about the young ones swimming and even how would you classify them, thus the scority girls comment. It is impossible to know what they are really thinking and how important what they say is to them.

I think Brady was definately in the loop. He chose his vote carefully so as not to choose sides. That is my guess.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 7:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Fruitbat, I think you are right. Brady, besides being gorgeous!, is a FBI man after all. I think he's seeing how things pan out and no one can say he is taking sides.

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 10:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i totally didn't see why brook was voted out. but, i attributed it to the fact that i didn't know who was who during the entire show unless their name was up on the screen. LOL

Jan
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08-01-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 10:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Speaking of Lines of Division, I have seen two names of cliques so far... for the women there are "the sorority girls" (the young ones as named by Probst on Survivor Live internet show) and for the men there are "the fat five", the older men as named by Brook on the same show.

Erinkay
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09-16-2004

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Brook happened to be the luck of the draw. The older guys were looking to boot out one of the younger ones in order to preserve themselves. I hate that there aren't "live feeds" for survivor...perhaps we'll never know the real reason for Brook being 1st out.

Bearware
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07-12-2002

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the men are more devious, and therefore the division will be long gone. These guys will have already seen Rob win, and will be unwilling to let history repeat itself. They know the young turks are stronger and faster, so they will make sure they are always outnumbered. I find it interesting that the producers began the numbers that way. I wonder if it was an effort to see if they young and cocky can bully the older into following their will. If they can, then they would deserve to win.

For the women, I think it's going to play out a different story. Women don't 'team up' nearly as well as men. Priorities and alliances change, and while the newness of being in paradise was there, you saw the sorority girls lazing around like it was spring break. As they get tired and hungry, that's all going to wear on them, and emotions will rule. I think that's one reason the new tribes are formed later on in the game. If there weren't some men in the 'pack' the women would just self destruct.Paws_Up!

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 5:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I noticed that Sarge was trying to create another "division" between people that see the show as a competition and others that see it as an extension of your real-life personality.


Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 7:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
All of the women, even Scout, are quite slim and trim. This was a huge advantage during the 'trying to pass on the balance beam' comp.

BY contrast, the men are a mix of young and athletic and Older-appearing, out of shape/ heavy builds. I was shocked that Chris wasnt voted out that first TC. He seems like a typical workingman's beerdrinkers build (skinny legs and barrelbody) This is definitely warming up to be the battle of the Ages.

I can see their point however. make it to the merge and then it doesnt matter.

the out of shape guys will be able to live on their bodyfat and feel better than the young muscular guys therefore probably dont really care about winning comps, in my opinion.



Beruthiel
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10-08-2002

Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 11:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Finally, a reality show in which being 'larger' is an advantage. I'm chuffed, and will be rooting for the older, larger, and more industrious players, be they men or women, plus, the wilier they are, the better.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 3:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The compettions this week were interesting. The women had a decided advantage in the reward challenge because of their size, but more because a woman's center of balance is lower, in their hips as opposed to men whose center of balance is more around the shoulders. This would be a clear advantage in the kind of competition they were doing. I hope I am not spouting nonsense here, but I did read this about the center of balance with men and women in an article once.

On the other hand the men had an advantage during the immunity challenge. Having the drill sargent call out the directions was a given. And he drowned out Scout. The girls were complaining they could not hear her as they went futher out.

Not saying that the producers planned it that way, but I could see the advantage plainly in each case. Just found it interesting. Wondering if anyone else felt the same way.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 4:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'll agree with you Allietex. Well stated.


Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, September 27, 2004 - 1:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
yep...they knew that the Guys had to finally win one. LOL

The drill sargent's voice is really loud. I thought for sure he was going to go down and POP Rory a hard one!! Why were those guys singing trying to confuse their OWN team ?? LOL

Something tells me Poor Rory is next to go on the men's team.

There seems a point in the game where people want to get rid of those who dont FIT with the team. unfortunately, Rory started his downfall that very first night walking to the camp in the dark. This game is brutally like real life........FIRST impressions mean everything.