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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 9:21 am
Every year there are a few people who would rather "bond" than do any work, especially in the beginning. They splash in the ocean, lay out in the sun, admire each others' body work. The ones who are building shelter and making a decent campsite are really resentful of these "Heidi/Jenna" types, with good reason, and if the camp is not made, everyone will be cold and miserable. Can't those youngster see that? Do they not care? I'm not sure what the answer is. Obviously, the work has to be done. Would a good solution be better delegation of tasks? How would the H/J faction react? Would they resent someone telling them what to do? Or at this point are they waiting for instruction? Someone pointed out on another thread that the workers create animousity and are usually voted out early. Maybe the early bonding is the answer to staying in the game longer. I only hope that the workers can find a way to unite and dump those sloths who do nothing. I love this bickering!!
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 9:47 am
Just on a side note: I noticed that on the women's team (I refuse to call them the girls!), there was a clear division of who worked and who played. With the men's team the division seemed to be geared towards age, the youngsters vs the oldsters. Just an observation. Not sure if one split is more advantageous or better than another. Unfortunately, I would probably be in the working group and most resentful of those who didn't pull their weight. One must be careful, however, in being the one in the position to delegate...makes them vulnerable as a "strong" player to be booted.
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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 9:53 am
the women's team was divided by age also. the younger ones didn't want to do any work and the more mature ones did.
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 11:57 am
I always take the "work/not work" thing with a grain of salt. Maybe it's just hard for me to believe that people would want to lie around all day (something I find boring, especially with no tv, books or internet to entertain me) rather than do something productive. I also think it's easy to manipulate the editing on this one. One of the younger women indicated that she thought the divide was between those who wanted to work without a break, and those taking "reasonable breaks". I'm reserving judgement. I actually didn't like the two older women who were supposedly the hard workers (Twila and Scout, I believe) last night, because they both seemed quick in their interviews to be catty and judgemental about the other women. We'll see.
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Kaili
Member
08-31-2000
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 12:13 pm
I kind of thought so too, Guinevere... I was set to like Scout, but she rubbed me the wrong way last night. I realize that we really didn't get to see much of their personalities and we don't "know" any of them yet, even to the degree that we are able since we never "know" them. Yes, a shelter needs to be made and things need to be done. But it is reasonable to take breaks, conserve energy, go in the water to cool off, etc. I think they edited it to look like the younger women were just prancing around in the water, but if you're working and hauling wood, etc in a hot, tropical, humid place- yep. I'd want to jump in and cool off too. Twila's job is one where she would probably be doing a lot of manual work and probably often be in the sun all day for long hours. It's probably not as big of a switch from her normal routine of working hard as it is for the younger women, or even most people in general. Keep in mind that Scout was the one who didn't even want to keep looking for their camp the night before. They had to ask her if she'd be willing to continue on when the majority wanted to.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 12:16 pm
They do it every Season. During the first show...The hard-headed types are shown to be the work horses and the younger (Males or Females) are shown to be the slackers. And sometimes it's right...
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 12:52 pm
Boy, aint that the truth Nick? Remember the mall rats in Survivor Africa? These ladies don't appear to be that bad tho...*grins... but time will tell. BTW...while the women and their work ethics appeared to be divided along age lines, I think I remember ALL the guys working... ...do I remember that correctly?
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 1:04 pm
Kep421 - Boy, aint that the truth Nick? Remember the mall rats in Survivor Africa? *snickers* actually, I don't...but I can remember watching Surivor Africa...they all tend to run together for me. But, as if it's part of the template of the show, invariably they start the season this way; with one tribe or the other having the Worker/Non-worker division. As for the guys, I don't remember any of them commenting last night that any one of the guys was slacking...I think they were all holding their own. Which makes for more mystery why Brook was booted.
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Hippyt
Member
06-15-2001
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 1:15 pm
I agree about it being a mystery why Brook was booted. The older guys already seem to want to target the younger,strong guys. Don't they realize that it's too early in the game to boot off strong people? They need these guys to win IC!
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 1:33 pm
I thought it odd too but they are thinking about keeping their numbers strong and by eliminating Brook they, "the fat guys", have the majority. It may prove to work. In the internet interview Jeff said the teams had divided and he called this group the fat guys who number 5 I think.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 2:20 pm
It's always the same thing...so called workers moan and groan that they are doing all the work and the so called slackers say these people never take breaks I’m not going to kill myself and that is not healthy. blah blah blah I'm pretty certain the so called slackers, usually the youngsters aren't accustomed to, or interested in manual physical labor. It’s likely they've been generally taken care of most of their young lives… they figure the work will be done for them. The so called workers like to play the martyr card…look at how hard I work and I'm not appreciated. If it weren’t for me, this place would be a shambles. How great am I? I believe the so called workers enjoy the hardship they generally aren't the kind that can lay around all day and do nothing. And the so called slackers don’t know any better, yet. Most of these divides work themselves out as the numbers begin to dwindle.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Friday, September 17, 2004 - 7:47 pm
Nick....said:As for the guys, I don't remember any of them commenting last night that any one of the guys was slacking...I think they were all holding their own. Which makes for more mystery why Brook was booted. As I recall, Brook and a couple young guys had a discussion about which among them being the weakest link who needs to be sent home. The sargent happened to be there and they tried to make him "see the light" and oust Chris with them. But good old Sarge turned right around and strategised with Chris how they need to get together and rid the young and strong ones. One of them mentioned JP's name and the other said: But JP has being the only one of them actually working(or something like that). That, I think, was how Brook got singled out. (Some guy also mentioned in the confessioal that Brook was cockey.) So, yes, some of those men must be taking notes about who all are working or slacking as well. MB's peeps probably did not have enough time to edit it all in. Or they might be saving it for another tale later.
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Gemma120in2002
Member
07-05-2003
| Monday, September 20, 2004 - 7:49 am
Yes, they said that JP was the only one who was actively trying to make fire. The young guys made the mistake of talking about weaker and stronger. They should have kept it on an individual merit basis. They didn't say old, but I think that weak = old to a lot of people.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, September 20, 2004 - 1:10 pm
It would appear that in this particular instance young = dumb!
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Gemma120in2002
Member
07-05-2003
| Monday, September 20, 2004 - 4:11 pm
Snicker! Yep!
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 9:53 am
Doesn't it usually...LOL!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 8:18 pm
One thing I can never understand is the why a couple of contestants will go wild trying to build a great big shelter for them ALL. Wouldnt it be more practical to build a couple of smaller shelters for 2-3 ? that way the strong work ethic people would have nice wellbuilt little shelter and the others would be responsible for their own. That would keep the target off the backs of the people who expect everyone to do their share. Frankly, a smaller shelter for 1-3 people is more practical as just breathing will heat the air of a smaller space. Just an idea
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 8:50 pm
Sunshyne, that would give people an opportunity to plot and plan. LOL! Maybe it's easier to build one shelter to house them all rather than three to house two or three people. Survivor is, as Probst said, a social game. IMO, one has to balance the work vs non-work socializing to move forward in the game. You don't want to work constantly and yet, you don't want to look completely lazy either.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 4:27 pm
Is it my imagination, or have NO shelters really been built yet by either team? It kinda looked like they were angling to do that (chopping beams and stuff), but I've not see any of the teams really INSIDE a shelter. And since the women were all complaining about being cold 'n wet, that leads me to believe they didn't build one. Heck, I'd be working my butt off to: a) get fire b) get shelter (and shelter OVER the fire) c) get food d) get more food e) get water Wasn't there a year where one team kinda split up the tasks? One group went for water all the time? One food did firewood? One did food scavenging? But didn't they all pitch in to build a shelter? Then again, I'm a major wimp. I don't like to be cold. And I'm cat-like in that I don't like to be wet, either! Purr.....
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 6:14 pm
Somewhere Scout was talking about her carpentry skills, so I should think by now the women have a condo for their own use and a couple of rental units! Actually Scout has been a big disappointment for me as I was hoping that she would be a poster gal for older women. NOT!! The team gave her the "orders" position because of her lack of physicality, and THEN she can't see the missing piece in the water!!
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Kimsue
Member
07-06-2004
| Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 6:57 pm
Costacat, I think I would be for suggesting the split of chores as well. Although, I do not think they will have to much bad weather to deal with because Probst said they had real mild weather compared to other tapings.(on Regis & Kelly) I think I would want to be on the team for building shelter or at least working on it on a regular basis. Don't they usually have some sort of contest to see who has the best camp or who's camp they will live in when teams combine? I think I would want the home field advantage when it came to this point. Anyone can build a fort if they try. Even my 12 year old.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, September 27, 2004 - 12:37 am
Ha ha Plotting takes place EVERYWHERE! not just in a shelter So I still think that in a colder night environment that smaller shelters would be more sensible. Mind you, then they'd be fighting for who gets the blankets LOL In one big shelter they could ALL cuddle up under those blankets they won. ((oh and I just thought of something....if the shelters were smaller the CAMERAMEN couldnt get in for those kinky nightshots of the contestants sleeping )) <el>
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 8:14 am
Sun, don't you think if the hard workers made small shelters with different degrees of comfort and sturdiness, that'd become a great excuse for the lazy ones with flimsy huts to vote them off? They(the hard workers) could be called selfish and got kicked off by the real selfish mates just so they'd have the better shelters for themselves.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, October 03, 2004 - 12:04 pm
LOL you are most likely correct. It seems that the food providers and hardest workers are often kept til the end. Not ONE has actually WON the game yet. I wonder if it is because they are so tired that they cant win the immunity challenges. The contestants that lay around seem to have the energy to really hike it up a notch for comps. imho
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Baylex1
Member
08-20-2004
| Monday, October 04, 2004 - 12:28 am
I'm so glad someone started a seperate thread for this. I'm a senior so nobody could accuse me of being young and uninformed in these matters. All I know is if I was on that island I would prefer to bond with the younger women. I get along just fine with young people. I do not get along with older, pissed off people and go out of my way to avoid them in my every day life. I do have a few friends my own age but be assured they are not of the "keep off my lawn" type. It's like Mia said. While the older ones were building shelter or looking for something to build with, the younger ones were gathering firewood, and hauling water, so the oldsters did not do everything alone like was portrayed in the editing. Taking short breaks does not mean they weren't working. The martyr card has been played by pissed off Twila just as it is every year. To avoid this in the future the producers need to assign the tasks from the beginning so we can get on with the show instead of stopping to sort out this BS every year. And I do mean BS.
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