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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 3:00 pm
I didn't mean that he betrayed her.. by 'knifing' I meant he played a role in her demise. Of course who could blame him for saving his butt when the opportunity arose. They're all there to play a game & like you said he had had no loyalties to LeAnn. I just think it's ironic that he is there because of her 'nice gesture.' I suspect this memorable turn of events will further increase the already disturbing gender division (imo) in future seasons. Hmm on second thought... Chris may have promised LeAnn & the rest that he would vote Eliza out. We of course never get to see all of the conversations that take place.
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Costacat
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07-15-2000
| Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 8:28 pm
Jimmer, I disagree. I don't think they liked Chris as much as they wanted him around to build their fires. Scout said as much when they were rained on two episodes ago. These women really aren't thinking... they are at the point where they need to get the strongest people out. LeAnn already proved she wasn't the strongest player in many challenges; they should've booted Chris. Who has a real good chance to win immunity the next coupla times. I don't really like Chris, but if he wins, I'll think he deserved cause the women just handed him the game. More interesting, I think, would be Ami and Eliza in F2. The jury would really have to think about who played the game, then, rather than voting in a popularity contest. Which is what this is lookin' like it's gonna be!
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Allietex
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08-16-2002
| Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 9:09 pm
Cost, I disagree. I think that at least some of them ARE thinking for themselves at last. Voting Chris out might have been to the advantage of some of the women, namely Ami, Leann, and Julie. But for the other three, they saw that with Chris gone, they were the next on the chopping block. It is down to a matter of numbers. Twila, Scout, and Eliza finally saw that they were way down the pecking order. If Twila and Scout had gone along with voting off Eliza, they would then be the next women to go. They knew that. Ami has been determined to get rid of the men from the beginning. It was a good stategy for her. It got rid of her biggest challengers. She wanted to vote out Chris this week, but went along with voting off Eliza because she believed that the next week there was no way anyone was going to ally with Chris and then she could get rid of him. She thought she had things well in hand. Her mistake, however, was to overplay her hand. Do you really think that Scout or Eliza think they had much of a chance to win immunity? Without it, they were gone. If they did not make their move now, it would be too late. They would not have the numbers. If they can hold this new alliance together, they at least have a chance for the final four and from there anything can happen. Without the new alliance, they would just get picked off one at a time, in whatever order Ami decreed. No, they are thinking at last.
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Hootyhoot
Member
12-18-2001
| Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 6:32 am
Allietex, you said everything I was thinking! I'm rooting for Twila, and without this move she was a goner. For Chris, the strategy was obvious ... he'd do anything to save his butt - but you have to give Twila, Scout, and Eliza credit for seeing that to continue with the women's alliance would mean that one of them was next to go. I think Ami played a heck of a game, but I don't want her to win ... Even though I admired the women's alliance at the start, if it continued to hold together, it would make a very boring game out of future Survivors. I can't wait for Thursday!
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 9:43 am
Wow ... some pretty impressive analysis here. Chris has played a rather solid game. He could have easily fallen into the trap of being an obnoxious sore loser once he realized that the men were being voted off, but he kept it together, making himself valuable. Thus the woman "liked" him and what he could do for them (as a worker and an ally) and it has kept him in the game.
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Gumby
Member
08-14-2004
| Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 1:32 pm
Why does it have Scouts name as Cloud on the pictures when you first come into the Survivor threads?
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 7:36 pm
well, scout probably isn't her real name, either... -------- someone mentioned above that chris lost the first challenge on purpose. i just thought he had horrid balance. where did we learn that he lost on purpose? just wondering. -------- i don't really care for ami, but if she and eliza were final two i would have to think ami played a better game--at least from what we have seen so far; i realize things can change and editing may have a lot to do with how we 'see' people. i haven't really liked most of the winners (sandra being one of the exceptions) so it wouldn't bother me too much! bring back chad!
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Cousin_jake
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07-04-2002
| Monday, November 29, 2004 - 4:48 am
Ami has played a good game until recently. When she and Leann told Scout that they weren't promising her final 4 (as Scout thought they had) but they had promised Julie final 4, that was a bad game move. That knowledge made it crutial for Scout to try and do something to shake things up if she wanted to stay longer than final 6 or 5. By booting Leann, they got rid of one of the three that felt they had it in the bag for final 4 and now Scout's voting block of Chris, Twila, Scout and Eliza in a power position if they stick together this week and boot either Ami or Julie depending on who doesn't win immunity. It was a good game move for those 4.
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Kaili
Member
08-31-2000
| Monday, November 29, 2004 - 6:16 am
I actually saw Ami letting Leann do all the talking to Twila and Scout- Ami just looked at Leann and let Leann respond. She pointed out that Leann didn't seem comfortable with Twila's response...but she never said it herself. She let Leann take the fall for her- she set it up so they were still aligned but Leann would be the bad guy between the two of them in Scout and Twila's eyes. Not very nice, but smart. I think she's playing a great game- I don't know who's set to go next week, but I can see her getting Julie to go before her.
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Cousin_jake
Member
07-04-2002
| Monday, November 29, 2004 - 6:45 am
If she manages that without immunity, she's really good! It would be in the best interests of Twila, Scout, Eliza and Chris to vote out Ami if she doesn't win immunity. Of all the players left, I think she has the best chance of winning a few immunuties in a row.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, November 29, 2004 - 10:21 am
I had thought that Eliza was the player upset by their ranking in the order but obviously it was Scout. Don't like Eliza but I believe she is the smartest of the final group left. She seems to do well in all the memory challenges. Just wish she would keep her mouth shut...wonder how many flies she has swallowed so far? Do you think when she watches the show she squirms because of her absurd over-the-top facial expressions?
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Monday, November 29, 2004 - 10:43 am
Roxip - Eliza WAS the player upset by the rankings, in the immunity that the women took her out first after the guys (I think it was the sling shot game). Yet we can't say she was smart, because she STILL voted with the female block, and didn't approach the guys. (Who knows though, maybe she DID approach them, but until Twila suggested it last week, people just disliked her so much at camp, that even the men couldn't see past wanting her out, to bring her into an alliance.) I think her over the top expressions are because of her eyes, however her eyes look like she has a thyroid problem, which causes people's eyes to be more out-set. JMHO. OK, so if Ami and Leanne put JULIE into their final four scenario, then who was their FOURTH? It couldn't have been Twila, considering how they came down on Twila for not being a part of them earlier in the game. I don't get that part. Especially considering they were willing to vote out Eliza. What am I missing. Wouldn't Scout STILL have a place in a final four scenario with Leanne, Ami, and Julie? I do not think that they will vote out Julie next, even if Ami wins immunity. I still think they(Scout, Chris, Twila) want Eliza gone, and they still have the number to do it this week. Julie and Twila probably bonded with each other when there was the switch. Also, if it's a Chris/Scout/Twila alliance, Julie is also close to Chris, which will save her butt. If Ami wins immunity, I say Eliza goes this week. If Ami loses, I still think Eliza has a chance to go. Kaili - I completely agree with your comments about Ami's game-play. It IS pretty darn good. ESPECIALLY letting Leanne take the fall, and manipulating the conversation that way. I totally respect that!!
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 1:31 pm
There's a clip on this week's Insider where Twila, Ami, Leann, and Julie reaffirm their F4 commitment so Twila was obviously their fourth. So, although Twila ditched her F4 for a different F4, I think she is in a better position in her new F4.
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 8:37 pm
She may be in a better position for final 4, but Twila's blown her chance at winning the million dollars by ditching the first group. I can't see Leann, Ami or Julie voting for her to win the million dollars should Twila reach the final two. Neither can I see Sarge or Chad giving her their votes too. Of the four people now on the jury, Twila has the honor of betraying each one. Now that's not playing the game of Survivor very well, imo.
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