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Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
There was no way that Eliza was going to vote any other way. There is no way she would risk a tie. I think the editors are having a tough time this season. They are doing a good job too!

I also think Eliza did a good job of possibly getting Ami's vote in the end, should she make it to the F2. I'm not sure Eliza did that on purpose, but I think it will work out that way.

Jeff has said in an interview in the past that he looks at the votes, puts them in the order in which he wants to read them, then goes back in to TC to read them.

Chris had a good point with Eliza about being in the F4 with Scout and Twila as easily beaten competition. Although, I think he is too quick to dismiss Twila as competition. It will be semi interesting if Julie manages to get immunity next week. I sure would like to see her talk her way into F4. She seems to just be welcoming the sitting duck roll. She needs to fight. Look at Chris...he was never supposed to be there at this point in the game. He is still there. Not that he did a lot of fighting for it, basically Twila told him to get Eliza to vote with him, Scout and herself. Anyway, it would make it more entertaining for us to see Julie fight her way out of the position she is now in.

I was surprised that Ami was such a poor sport after all. I wonder how things will go between Ami and Leann now since Leeann is really the one responsible for Ami Ami being voted out. If Leeann would have kept her mouth shut or just lied about not being with Twila and Scout in the F4, things may have gone differently and Chris would probably have been voted out.

Chris make me LOL during the previews for next week!

I don't care too strongly about who wins either, as long as it isn't Scout. I find it kind of nice that someone I can't stand won't be in the F4.

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I want anyone but Julie to win. I like Scout. I think Ami was a poor sport loser. I also hold a grudge against Julie for lying to Twila about the guys coming to her too... (was that the lie she told? I can't remember for sure.)

Amchess
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08-27-2002

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh yeah, I forgot about Julie! I don't want her to win either.

Gen
Member

08-22-2003

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Julieboo, you are right, Julie did lie to Twila about the guys coming after her. She is very sneaky!

I also like Scout. She seems to be a hard worker on a daily basis even though she doesn't win challenges. If I remember right, Sandra (Pearl Islands) didn't win any challenges either.

If Chris, Twila, Scout or Eliza won, I wouldn't be unhappy. I'm just glad that Ami is gone!

Mak1
Member

08-12-2002

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm glad Chris is still there, and so entertaining.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Actually Eliza would have been better off with Ami and Julie if they could have made it. Eliza would have gotten F# for sure--maybe better. Right now she's looking at F4 only, unless she can win IC. She is on the bottom of the pile in the Chris/Twila/Scout/Eliza group.

I think Eliza will do well against Scout and Twila over all in IC's with chris being tough competition.

With Ami and Julie, Ami would be her main competition for later IC's.

I think Chris would win if he was in F2 with either Scout or Twila. It would be close if he was in F2 with Eliza.

I think Eliza would have a good chance against Julie as F2, and it would be tough with Ami, as Ami played VERY well.

If any of the gals get to pick who the take to F2 at this point, I would not figure Chris would be a choice for any of them--he would have too great a chance of getting the votes need to win.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Then Eliza needs to buddy up with Twila & Scout (and maybe even Julie too) and boot Chris...

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Julie--I would expect that exact thing to happen if those are the F4 and Chris does not win immunity.

These 4 would be foolish not to get Julie out first though. Julie odesn't fit into the plans of any of those 4--right now it feels like she is the odd person within the remaining people.

I have to say though, that Twila succeeded in initiating the most impressive power overthrow in all of Survivor.

That one just might win her big points at the final vote--I figure Lea and Chad (at least) will give it the respect due.

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought Chris rather implied to Eliza that she was F2 with him?

When they were off on their reward, Chris said something like ... after Julie's gone, look who we have to compete against? The implication was that he and Eliza could beat Scout and Twila in anything. At least that's the impression I got.

Upstate
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01-16-2004

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i kind of want chris or twila to win. i would of said eliza but she does have the car now and i think with her life/education she will be able to make it in life.

don't forget chris voted sarge out too.

my son had me laughing last night watching the show. he said mom feel free if it ever comes to winning a million dollars to swear on my life.......i don't have a problem with that. lol ok will keep that in the back of my head for in the future.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I hope that I'm proven wrong but I'm not convinced that Chris can get any of the women's votes on the jury (except Twila's), regardless of who he is is up against. I just get the impression that they may complain a lot and still end up voting for the woman to win over Chris. Which means that Chris can not win.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 11:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm thinking that Chris will stick with Eliza to break up the Scout/Twila alliance. He was listening very closely to Ami as she talked about it.

I think it will be close against Eliza. I think Chris will have both guys and Scouts and Twila's votes. They really can't stand Eliza.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Putting myself in Chris' place, I'm thinking I have no idea if I'll get the votes of any of the gal alliance. I know they were tight at one time, but I also know they fell apart.

Chris can only go by what he sees in the game--we get a different flavor of things watching after it's all happened and presented to us.

Although I know Eliza is seen in a better light than twila or Scout to the gals that will be on the jury. He can also beat Scout and Twila in more of the challenges than Eliza (at least the physical ones). I think if he makes the F$, he will do whatever he can to make F2 with the person most likely to get the fewest votes.

I think if Twila or Scout get to pick their F2 person, they would pick each other over anyone left.

Native_texan
Member

08-24-2004

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did anyone else hear the loud bang when Ami's bubble exploded? If I were Twila, I really would watch my back because that woman seems like she could be vindictive.

Hint to Ami: When you are trying to kiss up to people, you don't talk down to them. It looks like Eliza could even see through it.

I can't see Chris making it to F2 unless he gets the last two immunities because I still think it's a gender battle. I think Twila saw how the women were aligning themselves among each other and knew that once all the men were gone, she, Scout and Eliza would be next. They had to make their move before Chris was voted out so they would have the numbers. There's little doubt that Julie will be next unless, heaven forbid, she gets immunity.

What I'm really afraid is going to happen is Scout, Julie and Eliza are going to align against Twila and Chris. Twila can't be trusted and swearing on her son's life has really hurt her. The only thing going against Chris is that he's a man.

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Aside from the ethical implications of the “big lie” (which we have already discussed a lot over the course of several seasons of Survivor/Big Brother etc.), the problem with Twila’s lie from a game standpoint is that there is really nothing that she can say now that will make the others believe that she will be true to her word. If you lie gently at first by making a fairly weak pledge, you can then up the ante and convince others at a later point. There is no way that people will believe Twila now, regardless of what she says – and even Twila knows this!

Mush
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09-09-2002

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 12:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've been thinking about Chris' game play today, instead of doing what I'm supposed to be doing.

His horrible performance at the first immunity challenge had to be part of his strategy -- he sure balanced fine last night This ensured that he was seen as the weakest man. According to the recaps, he was also one of the main guys setting up the old vs. young alliance in the men's tribe that first show -- I wonder if he steered the direction to Sarge being the "leader" since the original conversation was between Chris and Sarge.

He couldn't have known that the women would pick off the men, but he sure was positioned for surviving that as the weakest man. And, when the numbers got low enough for the women to start thinking and turning on themselves, he was the "outsider" that they would turn to in order to tip the balance, leaving him in the strongest alliance heading in to the final days.

Brilliant -- I'm for him to win it all.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Julie's lie was worse than Twila's. Twila lied about only herself. Julie's lie involved others. (She said they did something that they didn't do.)

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Scout would never vote for Eliza. She truly dislikes her. But then again, if Chris gets Scout voted off or out before the final three, she may turn on him.

I don't think they often know who voted against them. So not sure that Sarge would know that Chris voted for him till after the show is over. I still think the two men on the jury would vote for Chris over any of the women.

That leaves women on the jury. Leann is going to be more angry at the women than at Chris, so she may have to go with Chris, versus one of the women. Ami will be a throw up, at the last minute Eliza chose not to save her, so she may well hold that grudge. And she will likely vote for Chris over Scout or Twila.

So, it seems to me that Chris is setting pretty good. He hasn't really ticked anyone off, and he's really played the game well by hanging in there even when the odds were so against him. But if he does win, it will really be Twila's strategizing and pointing him in the right direction that got him there.

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 2:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I could see an Eliza Chris alliance, and this next vote they might decide to vote out one of the Scout/Twila alliance, instead of Julie.

I really can't stop thinking about Julie's secret connection with Chris, that was mentioned two episodes ago (where they comment that she is his informant). I would REALLY think it a cool move, if there was more to those two. If they bust up Scout & Twila, then the F4 are are people in it for themselves.

There's just something in me that can't drop the knowledge about Julie being Chris's secret informant. Even though her facial expressions when Leanne was voted out showed she didn't know THAT was going to happen, I still think she should play her alliance with Chris.

I actually don't mind Julie. I have ALWAYS liked Eliza, probably because she reminds me of one of my best friends. I think she just talks alot, and I think that's cool. In a game like Survivor, where you are broken down physically and mentally, it's great that she is always talkative and smiling. She's obsessed with Survivor, so it would be cool to see a Survivor addict (like ourselves) win the game.

I finally watched last night's episode, and I don't think Ami was so horrible. She knew her time was numbered, and did what she had to do. She is VERY persuasive, and is a talented manipulator(mods, those aren't insults). She knew Eliza was her only hope, and she worked her hard. I think she DID play a somewhat honest game, in that she spoke her mind to everyone. So it's understandable she could find it offensive that someone would swear on their family. She had never even seen an episode of Survivor before the show, so she doesn't know the antics of Johnny Fairplay!! I think she played a GREAT game, and her only mistake was letting people know where they were in the pecking order with Leanne.

Native_texan
Member

08-24-2004

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 2:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I do remember Chris' comment about Julie, but I remember wondering if Julie knew she was Chris' secret informant.

Ami was a very good player until she knew her time was up and then she reminded me of a wild animal backed into a corner. Her treatment of Scout last night was downright vicious. I don't for a minute believe she has never seen an episode of Survivor. Ami does not seem like the type of person to go into a situation without being fully prepared.

Dogdoc
Member

09-29-2001

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ok, I have to admit that I like Eliza now. I want an Eliza/Chris F2. From the beginning Chris has said that the women were a force to be reckoned with. The other men were sure they could easily pick off the lowly women. We women are unpredictable. I don't know how the voting will go.

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Eeyore makes a good point about a Chris/Julie alliance. They were head to head in the reward competition on last night's show, and he stopped to ask her if she really wanted it. That's unusual in a *reward* competition, unless there's something else going on... :-)

Nickovtyme
Member

07-29-2004

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 3:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Eliza/Chris Final 2:

How I see it -

Sarge - Chris

Chad - Chris

Leann - Chris (I still don't think she would give the nod to Eliza after campaigning to get rid of her and then Eliza being the reason she was voted out)

Ami - Chris (I think Chris will get her vote just for his "Never say die" attitude and making it much further in the game than he was supposed to)

Julie - Eliza (Because Chris left her out of the loop)

Twila - Chris

Scout - Chris


That's it for me...If Chris can get in the final two...he wins.

Hootyhoot
Member

12-18-2001

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was really impressed that Eliza won that very physical reward challenge. Although I'm not a full-time student of this gang (I practically did spend forty hours a week on previous Survivors!) ... I didn't think of Eliza as an athlete. But she never faltered. Way to go, girl!

But I am rooting for Twila. Remember how she hung on that pole with her teeth? She could win an endurance competition, if that's what's coming up next.

Cruzlvr
Member

11-13-2003

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sarge knew that Chris voted against him the week Sarge was booted. He said on his interviews that he told Chris to vote that way. Sarge knew he was going and thought Chris might have a better chance if it appeared is was going with the majority.

Ami said on Survivor Live today that she doesn't hold a grudge against Eliza. If she was in Eliza's shoes should would have done the same thing. She likes Eliza and wants to be friends with her, Leann and Julie.

The reason why Ami was so upset about Twila's lie is because this is a really "push button" lie for her. I don't know if anyone else remembers but during the reward where they got the coffee and the pictures and letters from loved ones Ami was telling them that her younger brother had been killed by a drunk driver, so swearing on any member of your family's life is really a "no no" for her. She was close to her brother and has seen what is has done to her parents.