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Jane_bond
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09-18-2001

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 5:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The problem, Baylex, is that we do not know exactly how delusional Mia was about the amount of work she and her cohorts had done. We've definately seen Lisa working (and I didn't realise that she was in the young thing tribe - is that solely because of the silicone?)but we haven't seen the others do much of anything except laze about.

If they have done work, is it not entirely possible that Mia, in her youthful myopia, has exxaggerated how much. Perhaps she went to get a pail of water and a couple of bamboo poles and feels that this qualifies her for "working hard". It wouldn't be the first time I've heard young women bitching about hard they've worked when in reality they've done little to nothing in comparison with the majority of others.

(I am also reminded of my husband who thinks that vacuuming the rug one in a 12 month span - for him that is, I do it more often than that! - qualifies him as an equal contributor in the domestic sphere - "I need you to help out some more around here, I don't have the energy to do all the housework." "I do housework!! I vacuumed the living room last week!" )

Baylex1
Member

08-20-2004

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The ones I see always bitching are the older women each and every year. It is annoying and it is getting tiresome. You can speculate or insist on telling yourself that the young ones don't do anything to justify your point but that doesn't make it the truth.

Auntiemike
Member

09-17-2001

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 7:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Since we're not there 24/7 we don't know the truth. We have to rely on the editing, which is done with entertainment in mind and can sway people one way or another. Perhaps we should not get so involved in their lives and be more active our own. It is just a show and we shouldn't get so serious about what all it represents.

Lighten up is my motto. (No offense intended). Just having a "senior" moment and spewing my thoughts.

Peace.


Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Let’s face it. They are on an island, trying to survive with a minimal amount of help. They could work 24 hours a day and still have lots to do. It’s just the same as real life – different people have different priorities. Some people will work at their job for 12-hour days (or more!) while other people think that there is more to life than working (health, strength, socialising, enjoyment, sanity?). The problem comes when people try to push their values on others and feel that the others are not meeting their arbitrary expectations.

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yep they are on an island, playing a game. Not going on vacation. They are supposed to be working as a team. It would appear that there is a difference of opnion as to what exactly consititutes "teamwork".

Some think that teamwork means working together to accomplish a collective goal. Others think that teamwork means the best and most efficient way to get french braids into one's hair.

Go figure....

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 10:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
So do people think they should spend every waking moment working or should there be some time for socializing (hair braiding) and rest, etc? If you agree that they shouldn't work all the time, then it once again becomes a matter of opinion as to how much work is enough.

Some people just like to work a lot and become offended when others don't subscribe to the same values. We all know those people in our real lives - the ones that put in tons of extra hours and then complain that other people aren't doing enough. And you know what's funny (or sad). When these people leave or retire, the rest usually just manage to muddle along quite nicely without them!

Baylex1
Member

08-20-2004

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The younger women did not spend all their time braiding hair nor have they treated this like a vacation. That much was established on the last show and also the day after on the morning show. The problem arose because Twila wanted to work straight through the day and evening without a break. Then she went to Trible Counsel and pulled the martyr card. Go figure.....

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 11:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
yes, I understand about people having different work ethics, and do not think there is anything wrong with that. I can be a workaholic at times, and yet I work at my own pace and do not feel pressured by those who worker "harder" than I do.

These younger ladies are sitting back and letting the "workaholics" do all the work, then sit and whine and complain that they are being made to look bad because there is nothing for them to do. This is as bad as playing the "martyr" card. If it upsets them that much, how hard would it be to go over to one of the workaholic's and offer to help out?


What I don't understand is the attitude that if someone has a strong work ethic, and should (God forbid) expect others to do their fair share, makes them a "martyr".

This isn't a "job" per se, where everyone has their own task's to do. They are supposed to be working as a team. Sitting back, letting others do the work, then whining because no one left anything to be done is immature. This is exactly what the young ladies are doing. They are not trying to pitch in. They are "letting" the others carry the load, then crying foul when they are accused of not stepping up to do their fair share.

This is what I'm seeing.

Cndeariso
Member

06-28-2004

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 3:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
this is what i saw and it may be different than what others saw based upon the comments prior to my post.

i saw jeff purposely ask twila about the work of her and the others to provoke a confrontation so we would have 'good tv'. i heard twila answer without any mean spirited comments. i saw mia attack, call out or whatever you want to name it, twila in a mean spirited manner. i heard twila respond honestly and then try to drop the conversation.

so, from my point of view and mine only, i saw jeff play on mia's psyche and then watched her feed into his game, thus, causing her to be voted out.

survivor appears to be just as manipulated by the production team as big brother.

you do not have to agree with me and i respect that. i am only posting my opinion.

Nickovtyme
Member

07-29-2004

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 3:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Once again....I'll say that they do (the editors) this every season.

In the beginning of the season, the play this "card" to establish some drama. Usually, half way through the season or so, the work issue no longer becomes an issue.

And, if Mia and the others had been doing so much work, there wouldn't have been time for the cat-fighting. Perhaps, Twila would have been walking around with French braids in the last episode; or had time to work on her tan.

But, with that said, Twila's not going to be around very long....so none of this really matters.

Baylex1
Member

08-20-2004

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 5:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I know that Mia said we only saw a litttle bit of what went on by watching the show. She was on the early show on CBS. She said it was edited that way but in fact the young girls did not just sit back. Twila was mad because they dared to take a break and she work like 9 or 10 hours straight without a break and expected everyone else to do that too. That is what you did not see on the show.

Babyruth
Member

07-19-2001

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 5:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I guess until we hear both sides, we won't know exactly what transpired. Fact is, however, Twila kept her cool and is still there, while Mia lost hers and went out screeching like nails on a chalkboard. Good riddance to a poor sport!

Cndeariso
Member

06-28-2004

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 5:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i also didn't see twila get mad on the show until provoked by mia. so, i guess that was edited out too.

(agreeing here, not being confrontational)

Catfat
Member

02-27-2002

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 8:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It is irrational for people like Twila to expect others to work 10-12 hours or so without taking a few breaks. My husband does (did) that and got really angry because I and my children and all his crew would not do the same, no matter how much we protested or fell into a faint. Some of Twila's words are exactly the same words he uses. (I am having all sorts of regurgitations just remembering). He would say things like "When there is work to be done, by God, we work until it IS done."
This year he had two heart surgeries, died twice and had to be jolted back to life, and is finally realizing how stupid his behavior is.
If he works himself into a grave, I will get to keep the shelter and fire and his oxen and asses and all that is his. Snort.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 10:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
CNdeariso stole my thunder LOL. I remembered that the Tribal Councils often last for hours and Jeff throws all kinds of questions at the contestants to see what kind of response he will get.

I saw Twila give a nonthreatening, nonfingerpointing response that Mia jumped on, embellished and then attacked her with the next day.

I agree that Survivor is just as producer-manipulated as BigBrother. Probably more-so since we dont see most of what goes on.

What I am amazed about this year is the Guys Team. Rory looks like the only guy who is out getting food and then the Sarge has the hoospa to ream rory OUT for it. Going for walks Sarge called it, any of us would call it 'getting food'.

Sigh, I will never figure out Testosterone-based Lifeforms. Their minds work so differently.



Baylex1
Member

08-20-2004

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 12:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LoL Catfat, good for you. Double snort.

Cousin_jake
Member

07-04-2002

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 3:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree about the editing but t'was ever thus. We saw Rory coming back with his shirt full of oranges but we didn't see see the reaction of any of the others and we didn't see them eating the oranges.

Costacat
Member

07-15-2000

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 4:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
We've only heard one side: Mia's. It's only been Mia who's claimed it was the "editing." I would suspect that there's a bit of fault at both women (Twila and Mia). I'm sure Twila does like to work a lot, but I don't blame her. I'd like to get the camp all set up, shelter made, food gathered, wood gathered, so that I could enjoy some downtime and not worry about what still needs to be done. I also suspect that the younger women didn't work all that much. I'm sure they did work some, but it appears there is still a lot of work to do and not a lot of folks are doing it.

But really, Mia was thrown some bait, and she took it and ran. Calling out Twila simply placed a gigantic target on her own back, and she's now out of the game. And still bitter.

The fatal flaw with the women's tribe (same as on The Apprentice) is that there is no real team there. The women must learn to work as a team to win challenges. The obvious division (as pointed out by John, when he visited the women's tribe) shouldn't be so obvious this early. I think the women are gonna pick themselves off, one by one, until the merge. Unless they continue with double evictions.

Fruitbat
Member

08-07-2000

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 6:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sun, my impression is that Rory took many walks and returned with food for the first time when we saw those oranges.

He waited until Sarge called him out and then produced the oranges in a smug and arrogant manner. He was waiting for flack.

If Rory was the food gatherer he would have announced his booty or Sarge would have asked what he found.

The work argument is in every tribe in every season. Usually the non workers go first. I have always wondered why they cannot easily choose different jobs and talk about break times.

I also tire of the workers hard edges. Why alienate other team members the first week? If you are a hard worker, just do it and keep your mouth shut until you observe more. Bonding with everyone early on is important. Don't make yourself a target. This seems so simple.

Gen
Member

08-22-2003

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The FACT is that we don't know the FACTS! What we hear and see on the show or in interviews can be and probably has been distorted by editing or by the perception of the interviewer and interviewee.

Fruitbat
Member

08-07-2000

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Gen, you are right. We never know the facts and never will.

Different players who have the facts see things differently too!

Figuring out a situation or problem using the scraps we get is where the fun lies, for me anyway. I love to speculate.

Gen
Member

08-22-2003

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh, Fruitbat, I agree that speculation is part of the fun. I do draw the line, however, when the speculation becomes confrontational - there is enough of that on the show without adding more.

Fruitbat
Member

08-07-2000

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am with you there. Just ignore the heat and speculate with ME! :-)

Cndeariso
Member

06-28-2004

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
so far, i haven't seen anyone here being confrontational and i applaud everyone for being able to discuss the show in a civilized manner when it is so obvious we have such differing opinions on this subject.

Roxip
Member

01-29-2004

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 12:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL...testosterone based life forms! TBLF for short?