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Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Chris has it in the bag.

In my opinion, he has everybody's vote on the Jury so far. Even Julie's...

He needs to make sure he gets to Final Two and I think he has the best chance at it.

Baylex1
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08-20-2004

Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
While I dispise the way Twila and Scout treat Eliza, I know Julie was too popular with the jury to keep. I'm hoping Chris will think Eliza is hated by all the jury and take her to final two. Scout and Twila are just too superior acting to me. I'm a senior and I don't think of young people as less than me just because I've lived longer. That's just stupid ego on their part.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 7:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Chris needs to get rid of Eliza next because she is a strong player.

Both Scout and Twila are injured and he could possibly win the endurance at final 3 against them but not Eliza.

Carlito
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03-26-2004

Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Great job tonite Raen. Thank you!!!
Now to the final four:
Chris did the only thing he could do in his position and vote with Twila and Scout.He has to know he needs immunity as much as Eliza does because Scout and Twila will not turn on each other and that would leave him out of final two.If
he or Eliza do not win IC next its over for both of them.I need someone to help me here because i think at F4 there is one more physical challenge left before the mental and memory challenges for F3.Does anyone else think the same?
If its true then i stand by what i've said about Chris and Eliza.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 8:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Final 3 is usually the stamina challange. Both Chris and Eliza could win against Twila (now injured) and Scout (bad knee).

Chris and Eliza need to take either Twila or Scout with them into final 2 to win the jury vote, not each other.



Mush
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09-09-2002

Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 8:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yeah, Chris is sitting pretty good right now. It made sense to vote out Julie, but I wonder why he made it seem like it was in doubt. I think that his vote for Julie without letting Eliza know what he was planning alientaed Eliza unnecessarily. But, it probably doesn't matter since Eliza's only alternatives are Scout and Twila, and she'll never dump Chris for one of them.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 9:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree, he should have never told Julie he would keep her..now he has lost her vote and ELiza's if she is not final2.

Mush
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09-09-2002

Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 9:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ok -- so if Eliza doesn't have immunity next week, Scout, Twila, and Chris vote out Eliza. If Eliza DOES win immunity, Scout and Twila vote for Chris, and Chris and Eliza vote for Twila, leading to the dreaded tie. Right so far?

Following the tie-breaker that Chris described a couple of weeks ago, they re-vote. If the vote stays the same, Chris and Twila become "immune" and Scout goes because she's the only one who is left. Eliza *could* switch her vote in the re-vote and vote for Chris, but I can't see her voting out Chris to save Scout.

This seems too simple. What am I missing? Will the tie-breaker rules be different? Is it possible that Scout and Twila will turn on each other? Will Eliza turn on Chris?

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 9:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I came here to post what Nick has already posted: Chris has this game won as far as I'm concerned. He'll destroy whomever he competes against.

My bet is that he wins immunity to get into the final two and knocks off Scout because she at least has some chance to beat him, with sympathy for her gimpy leg etc.

Annie
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11-10-2004

Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 10:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just loved the look on Eliza's face when Julie was voted out!! I don't want Eliza to win, they need in ensure she doesn't win immunity (they as in Chris) cuz Twila and Scout can't stop her. Eliza won't get votes, nor will Twila, Scout might get some sympathy votes, Chris deserves to win.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 10:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm really sick of Scout and Twila and their attitudes. The only reason Scout is still there is because she's so weak at competitions that the others are keeping her since they think they can beat her easily. It was no surprise who was going to be out first on the obstacle course. Scout also couldn't even do the other challenge fast enough because she couldn't get to the spots fast enough to even try to put the questions together. I thought it was ridiculous when Twila was calling Eliza immature about the bananas being buried since I thought her response in the first place was totally immature, esp. for a woman her age!

I still want to see Chris and Eliza in the final two. Eliza has done really well on the competitions and has managed to stay despite being targeted since the beginning. I'm getting to the point where I'd just as soon see her win since she has been dismissed so much by the others since day one.


Baylex1
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08-20-2004

Friday, December 10, 2004 - 3:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree Watching. I've seen older women treat young employees the same way where I work. It's disgusting. I hope Twila and her mouth and Scout and her pillow go next!

Upstate
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01-16-2004

Friday, December 10, 2004 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
why doesn't anyone think eliza would get any votes? jules and ami would vote for her. i think even leeanne would depending on who else is in the f2.

i haven't liked scout from day 1. she is imo very arrogant.

i guess for reasons of life struggles i would like chris or twilla to win. don't get me wrong if i felt one of them was mean or selfish i wouldn't care for them to win if they were dirt poor. but since they both have listed as working on highway crews you know they make a livable living. but probably paycheck to paycheck. where as eliza is pre law and scout i'm not sure about. guess i really don't care.

i thought eliza made a good point about they all deserved to be there as the last 5 standing. i felt it showed a lot of character on her part.

eliza still can't catch a pig. lol i felt she tried. but i felt she tried the first time around to.....just that she was the flavor of the moment to dump on. i'm glad she stayed long enough so scout's true colors came out. she is very condesending and rude. oh well i'm done. just rambling.....too much time to kill here......weather is bad and no school.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, December 10, 2004 - 8:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
One of the things I like about Survivor the best is seeing the smug looks wiped off someone's face in TC, especially if I want them gone.

Twila really disappointed me last night. I'm hoping this time it really was the editing because I have liked her from the beginning. I was surprised that Julie hugged her when she and Chris got back from the reward?

Chris really had me nervous last night. I'm afraid the only way he has a chance to win if it's him and Scout/Twila in F2. I hope he wins because he has played this game better than anyone (even Ami) for the simple fact that he is a man (not a sexist remark - referring to female alliance) and still there. I can't wait to find out how he did it because I think there's something there we haven't seen.

I have to say watching Julie and Chris on that volcano last night was beyond words. I think that was probably the best reward I have seen yet. It just goes to show how life sometimes gives you experiences that you never thought imaginable. I learned that big time last year on my birthday when my husband fulfilled one of my impossible dreams by arranging for me to fly in a fighter jet.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, December 10, 2004 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Upstate, I do believe that if Eliza is in the F2, she stands a very good chance of winning.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, December 10, 2004 - 10:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I hope that Chris does well but I don’t fully understand why he made the same promises to all the players. There was no reason for him to make a promise to Julie that he would then have to break. Once he knew that Julie hadn’t won immunity and that he had the votes with Twila and Scout, I think he simply should have told Julie that she betrayed the guys who had trusted her at the merge and that as much as he likes her, he couldn’t support her because of that. Seems pretty clear to me, and I don’t think there is much that Julie could have said in her defence. Now Julie and Eliza feel betrayed and may be upset enough not to vote for Chris if he gets to the final two. Chances are that they will vote for Chris anyway, but the lie seemed unnecessary.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, December 10, 2004 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Chris' problem was that he genuinely *liked* Julie, and she had been an informant for him at times, which helped him get where he was. I think that's why he struggled with maybe keeping her over his alliances.

In the end, I think he decided he needed to play the game strategically rather than what he might have preferred to do personally. So I don' t think he was lying as much as he was trying to buy time to make his decision, albeit in a clumsy way.

Hootyhoot
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12-18-2001

Friday, December 10, 2004 - 5:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Native Texan ... I agree that that was the best reward yet. I was lucky enough to see an small eruption of the Arenal volcano in Costa Rica ... truly a magificent sight, even though it was not anywhere near the great show that Julie and Chris saw.

Cousin_jake
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07-04-2002

Friday, December 10, 2004 - 5:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't get it either. At this point in the game, you need to be thinking about who you want beside you if you make final 2 and, at the same time, vote people onto the jury without having them feel like you've betrayed them. To me it was no contest. Ami and Leann would vote for Julie or Eliza over Chris. If he's against Twila, he probably has their votes along with the two men's votes. He should have just told her what Jimmer said.

Roppiepie
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05-06-2004

Friday, December 10, 2004 - 11:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I would love for Chris or Eliza to win!!! By failing to break up the couple, (Scout and Twila) Chris shot himself in the foot. If Eliza wins immunity, he's gone. If Twila wins immunity, Chris goes. If Scout...ya got the picture? The duo should have been split up. Either Chris or Eliza has to hook up with the duo to vote the other off. Eliza is a strong little firecracker! She could easily win the next IC. If the final IC is endurance, Eliza and Twila will fight to the death!!!

Mush
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09-09-2002

Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 5:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
One reason that Chris kept Julie guessing about his vote... If he had told her right off that he was voting her off, she may have gone to Scout, Twila, and Eliza to try and resurrect the old female alliance and get rid of Chris. As long as she thought that she could stay with her current Chris-and-Eliza plan, she didn't go trying to make a new one.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 6:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Another reason is that Eliza would have been gone if Julie had won the IC.

Chris needs to win immunity or needs Twila to win immunity to last to final 3.

While Scout has not won any challenges, (neither did Sandra from Pearl Islands) she has maneuvered within the tribe.

Twila told Chris to talk to Eliza and they saved her fanny from going home.

Eliza seems to to be a little spoiled and getting what she wants. All of the players have complained about her attitude.

Chris needs to win immunity to stay and send Eliza home.

Eliza needs to win immunity to stay and send Chris home. If she sends Twila home and keeps Chris in final 2, Chris could win.

If Twila wins immunity and sends Eliza home Chris could win final IC against Scout/Twila because of their injuries.

If Twila wins final IC she takes Scout with her to final 2.



Boberg
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10-04-2002

Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 6:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My prediction:...Chris and Twila final 2...Chris wins.

Chris has played this well..Twila and Eliza are equal competition physically, Eliza stronger on smarts competitions.

Unless she wins immunity again, Eliza will be gone next week she will not be able to keep her mouth shut about Chris's vote (in her mind a betrayal)

Scout is floating along..she is no competition and everyone there knows it.

Roppie I disagree with your analysis..Eliza still hates Twila enough to vote her out..all the women(unless they band back together) still need Chris's vote at next tribal council.

I think Amy's vote is up in the air..she may very well respect Chris's ability to make this big comeback!

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 7:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree that Chris' lying to Julie & Eliza seemed unnecessary & a bad move. But I think he could still suck up to them & do some mending by explaining that it wasnt a bald-faced lie, he was torn, and that he nearly did break his alliance with Scout & Twila because he cared about them. He could say that he realized he would have been hosed if he broke his original alliance & and that Julie was too formidable of a competitor though in his heart he wanted to bring her, as she had become like a sister.