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Maineiac
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08-24-2009

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maineiac a private message Print Post    
I think Natalie should be very proud of herself for being able to last 39 days in those conditions. I, and most people would not be able to last that long.
As far as playing the game, Natalie didn't play any game. She befriended Rob, he knew from the first day she would be loyal to him, so he protected her to the end. She never did well in challenges, not even close. Lets not forget how lazy around camp her and Ashley were.
She didn't play better than the Zappaterra(sp) tribe. She didn't play at all.
She was nothing more than Rob's luxury item in the game.

Lostfan
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03-10-2010

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lostfan a private message Print Post    
I think Survivor is all about having "game" and Rob had it in spades.

of course he did ... he also had 10 years to perfect it. Anyone who has gotton the chance to play 4 x would be better than brand new survivor virgins .... just sayin :-)

Maineiac
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08-24-2009

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maineiac a private message Print Post    
Lets not forget that the editors controlled how much we heard about Matt's faith in God. They didn't have to show us so much of it. It wasn't Matt's fault.
His religious talk didn't offend me at all just like if someone were jewish or muslim and mentioned if often. Who cares, he wasn't pushing it on anyone.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
True, Rob did have a few go arounds and time to perfect.. but he is also 10 years older than when he started.Not everyone can stay fit enough to compete in Survivor for 10 years. (remembering Colby)

Nerovh
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06-12-2005

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I think riding coat-tails is a valid strategy. I really do. The little blonde Natalie from Russell's season used it very well. But with her it was an actual STRATEGY. She admitted that she was using Russell as a meat shield to get to the end, and she actually was the force behind getting out one of the other players.

This Natalie, while I am sure she is a very sweet person, had no strategy at all. She just sat there and waited for Rob to tell her what to do. She literally did everything he told her to do with very little thought of her own. I can't say she didn't "deserve" to be in the final 3, but it felt like Rob deserved to get her prize money as well because she was never more than an extension of him the entire game. During some of those challenges, she looked like she was completely lost without Rob telling her what to do, and even at the final tribal, she still seemed to want Rob's approval. I do NOT think she should be ashamed of herself, or that her family shouldn't be proud of her. I just think she was waaaay to young and immature to be put on a game like this, and I did not enjoy watching it. At least Rob was fairly kind in his manipulation of her. Russell would have torn her to shreds if she'd been on his team.

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Anyone who has gotton the chance to play 4 x would be better than brand new survivor virgins .... just sayin

Russell wasn't. :-)

I still maintain their having been there before was also a disadvantage. Russell and Rob both were known factors and should have immediately been voted out. The fact that Russell was, but Rob wasn't, is a great testament to Rob's people skills and that is a huge part of winning Survivor.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Matt's talk didn't offend me at all, it just bored me to death. People like him who are constantly saying they're "doing God's will" aren't very good PR people for him, lol. Matt sat on Redemption Island, and didn't win the big one. I guess he forgot to use his own free will and the brains God gave him to win the game

Yes, Rob had multiple opportunities to perfect his game. Conversely, all of the other players KNEW that and if they had even teeny tiny brains, they would have gotten rid of him, now wouldn't they?

But Rob's team looked up to him rather than viewing him as an experienced player. They all also rode his coat tails as he was always awesome in the challenges. Rob is being blamed for having experience, yet the newbies aren't being seen as stupid idiots for keeping him there! C'mon!

That said, I'm very glad for Rob that he finally won!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Rob didn't exactly manipulate Natalie. He said he would go to the end with her and he did. In fact, there was one point in the game where I thought it would have been to his advantage to have her voted out and he worked to keep her.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
When his tribe kept Rob in with all the Tribal Council opportunities they had to chuck him, heck yeah, he deserved the win, if they stupidly wouldn't cut him loose to give themselves a FAIR chance.

Triciatoronto
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07-04-2010

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Triciatoronto a private message Print Post    
Cruz, I agree that Rob should have won all-stars and it was the bitter jury that did him in. I don't think Zaps downfall was voting out Russell. They won the immunity challenge after that vote. I wish Jeff would talk to everyone at the reunion if only for a minute.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
I agree, Lostfan. Rob had a huge advantage over the others.

Rob said that he and Grant were fine until after a few eopisodes were aired. I'm guessing that Grant was really angry over Rob making a fool of him by pretending to be looking for the idol with him. I'm sure Grant felt that that was unnecessarily mean.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
So did we ever get to see Philip's son? Was he in the audience? Do we even know his name? I keep thinking about the hazing this kid must be getting at school cuz of his dad's onscreen oddities. Am I weird for worrying about him? Probably. But that's just me.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Can anyone who is on the "Rob had huge advantages" train please explain what the advantages were? I just see his history as being a gigantic red target, and those who had the bows and arrows to shoot the target were idiots

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Exactly. Grant was all upset over Rob's betrayal. LOL - I guess he didn't watch Survivor All Stars.

Sportsfan
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09-03-2007

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sportsfan a private message Print Post    
What a great ending! So happy for Rob, he played the perfect game in my estimation.

I wish that they would change the rules for the fan vote to include the provision that if the fan vote is the winner, the prize goes to second place. Or they do it online right after winner is announced. Many people voted for Rob just in case he did not win overall.

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Not just that they were idiots, but that Rob is really good at playing people.

Rob not sharing that he had the HII with anyone was smart, actually. Sorry if that is why Grant has his drawers in a knot.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
I'm very annoyed that there are two returning players next season. Enough already. And fix the Redemption Island situation - it shouldn't last so long and there should be some kind of momentary protection for the returning player. Maybe immunity for one vote or something, give them a half a chance to reestablish relationships/game plan so it's not such a revolving door.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Rob has made fools of better players than Grant; Grant needs to snap out of it and stop acting like a scorned lover.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
LOL Gal!

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 7:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
You can't make alliances with everybody and expect to be able to maintain them without being deceitful.

You do have to be respectful, after all they are the jury.

This was something Rob learned and Russell did not.

Did we forget that Sandra also won two times?

Did she NOT deserve the prize because she had already won, or did she play the game?

Rob has a genuine love for the game and having seen him grow in the understanding that it is a game, made him a master of it.

All the high drama doesn't matter if you can't win a jury vote.

It doesn't help if your tribe votes you off just because.
It does matter if you can avoid it because you were once there.

We will see the same thing in Big Brother...The maneuvering, the social game, the alliances, the outlasting and then the jury to grant you the winner, all the while you were in the game.

Nobody comes away unscathed, as we the couch potatoes are their worst judge.

Konamouse
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07-15-2001

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 8:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
So when did Rob tell his tribe that he had the idol? The girls said he did so after the merge (hence the reason for not voting for him when they were down to 5). Or did he just tell his 2 girls & Phil? Obviously the editors/director didn't want the TV audience to know so we'd be on th edge of our seats during that tribal council vote.


Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Phillip was just as crazy and obnoxious during the jury questioning as he was during the game. Personally I am glad he is no longer working for the government. He is kind of scary crazy.

Bevdan
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05-09-2011

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 8:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bevdan a private message Print Post    
what seems to be happening now is that the last
2 shows who ever finds the idol is at least saying to his alliance that they have it and will
share it if they need to. So now everyone thinks that they need to know - Good for Rob that he understands how to really play and kept it form them.

Connies
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03-11-2010

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Connies a private message Print Post    
So is the majority here thinking that Phil was indeed crazy and not acting? He sure didn't look happy last night regardless. He was entertaining if nothing else.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Monday, May 16, 2011 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Well I should known who was going to win the $1 Million and will probably end up hosting the darn show with "Ambuh" one of these days. Then to make it even worse the $$ for fan fav; but then I can't complain since I did not VOTE!
If they bring back Russell again I won't be shocked.