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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 10:03 am
That is correct Scooter - everyone but Ozzy, Dawn, Rick and Keith would have had to drawn rocks.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 10:19 am
And Whitney if she had the idol?
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Hermione69
Member
07-23-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 10:44 am
I have not seen the show yet, but I've read every post. I can truly see both sides of this. I don't really blame COchran for the move, yet understand the anger of his team. Only time will tell if it ends up being the right move for him or not. I think if he can draw over Dawn, and bond with Edna, they would only need one more to possibly have another split.
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 10:51 am
Cochran could win immunity if it was a puzzle.
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Loremma
Member
04-25-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 10:54 am
The main anger from Cochran's team is that Cochran ruined THEIR plans. Ozzy etc needed Cochran to advance them in the game, then when needed they'd vote Cochran out. Cochran is looking out for himself in the game and how dare he! (said by Ozzy, etc.)
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 10:56 am
Loremma, such an accurate post!!
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 10:57 am
Scooter, I'm not 100% positive, but I think the HII was good for only the first vote. I think Whitney would have also had to pull for a rock.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 11:27 am
If seems to me that if personal immunity carries for both votes, so would the idol.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 11:32 am
Every member of his tribe has made no bones about the fact that they would have voted Cochran out at the drop of a hat. They have basically treated him as expendable from day one. The only reason he lasted this long was because someone else annoyed the tribe more than him. As to timing, this was the best time for Cochran to switch. I believe that if the plan had worked and Upolo had bought the deception, Cochran would have not switched so soon. but once Ozzy's plan fell flat because of his overacting, it had to be now. Cochran had to prove to his new tribe that he was really willing to switch and was not just a "plant" to gather information. The only way to do that was to vote out a member of his old tribe. Waiting would have just made them suspicious and they would never have trusted him. It was a huge commitment on his part. As to him being seventh instead of sixth, so what? One more place in the scheme of things is useless. And at least he will be playing with people who show him some respect. and who knows, he just might win an immunity challenge just at the right time. A lot can happen between the merge and the end of the game. Also, remember toward the end of the game the "contenders" start eying each other wanting to get rid of the stronger players. And Cochran becomes a desirable candidate to take to the end. And once again, they will feel they can vote him off anytime. I am with those who say he owes Savii nothing. Brandon hit the nail on the head when he said they got what they deserved for treating him so badly. He must really have felt beat down the way his tribe let him know they had no respect or any use for him. A lot of the things they said to him were really unnecessary. It seemed a lot of times as though they went out of their way to make him feel as miserable as they could. They were so blatant about it. And yet they really felt he owed them his loyalty. Why should he? I imagine he has faced a lifetime of that sort of thing. Anyone who has never been in his situation has no idea of how hurtful it becomes. And Ozzy has gone from being one of my favorite players of all time in his first season to being one of my least favorite players. I really have no favorites this season. It seems the more the players reveal themselves, the less I like them. I guess I have become a Cochran fan just because lacking a favorite, I lean toward the underdog. And I do like how through it all, he can still laugh and poke fun at himself. That ability, along with his brains will take him far in life, if not on Survivor.
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 11:33 am
Thanks for the explanation re the idol. I watched it twice to get the explanation and still couldn't understand. However, if they had given it to Keith, they would have guaranteed keeping a strong player on their team no matter who drew the rock.
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Hypermom
Member
08-12-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 11:39 am
The deleted scene from last night shows why Cochran made his choice: http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_south_pacific/2011_Nov_03_cochran-deleted-scene
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Lostfan
Member
03-10-2010
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 11:51 am
I also detest cochran- His move was such a "coward" choice- he wont last, he will never ever be able to outlast in a physical or endurance comp- I hope his is voted out next. I would love to see him compete next to Keith- put the fear in him as he heads to RI to face the guy he backstabbed - 
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 11:57 am
Thank you Lexie!
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Whoami
Member
08-02-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:00 pm
On the Cochran subject, Allietex said, "Anyone who has never been in his situation has no idea of how hurtful it becomes." Here here! As one who has been in that situation many times, I can tell you first hand how hurtful it becomes. Their "subtle" remarks to each other about him, as though he's not even there to hear the things they're saying about him just infuriated me, as did their piling on him about how he should "redeem" himself and go to RI last week. They weren't trying to build him up for a big competition, they were just flat out trying to get rid of him. I'm so familiar with the tone of voice they were using, like trying to convince a person they consider a simpleton to agree to the thing they're trying to manipulate him into doing. I'm so glad he didn't buy into it. And add me to the Kudos to Brandon Brigade for speaking up for Cochran. He may have some really wierd ideas about the wiles of a woman, but boy he really earned a lot of points from me for standing by Cochran. The kid took a giant step towards manhood in that very moment, IMHO.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:01 pm
I don't think that is true about the rocks, I think everyone has to draw even if they have immunity. Unless they have changed it since we last saw the rock thing.
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Holly
Member
07-21-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:03 pm
He repulses me. In all ways. Wouldn't that be awesome if he had to go to RI and face Keith. Coward that he is though, he'd probably faint dead at the thought.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:18 pm
Why was it a coward choice to not want to put his fate in drawing a rock from a bag to protect a bunch of people who have treated him like dirt under their feet? With Keith being the number one basher. Do you think that Keith would not back stab Cochran? He didn't seem to have a problem backstabbing Elyse and Ozzy a few weeks ago. Funny how that little fact seems to have been conveniently forgotten. He let Cochran know a long time ago that he has no respect for him and considers him expendable. He was pretty vocal about it last week. And just because you stab someone in the chest instead of the back does not make them any less dead. When you let another person know you do not value them in any way, you can't expect much loyalty from them in return. This game is about bold moves, especially by people who are not likely to win physically. In a head to head competition, Keith would probably annihilate Cochran, but that does not make him the better person, just stronger. Cochran made his move, certainly a bold one and it was neither dishonorable or cowardly. Whether it works for or against him is not really the point. He quit being their pawn and made a move for himself. More power to him.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:39 pm
No one would have had immunity if they were drawing rocks. Everyone but Rick and Keith would have had to pick a rock. I think Cochran did them all a favor. He also turned the show from ho-hum into something I can't wait to see next week.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:42 pm
Love Brandon. He summed up the whole ep in his sentence at the end. Love how Coach and now Brandon took outcast under their wing. Im team Coach, Brandon, Cochran, Albert
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:47 pm
Excellent posts Allietex & Whoami!!
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:47 pm
No one would have had immunity if they were drawing rocks. Everyone but Rick and Keith would have had to pick a rock. But I thought they said there would be only 8 rocks in the bag - meaning that Ozzy and Dawn also don't draw rocks.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:55 pm
They did say that Lexie. So I don't think it's clear who would have had to draw rocks, but Ozzie and Dawn clearly thought they wouldn't have to. I think that's partly why Dawn switched back to thinking Chochran shouldn't switch his vote -- she felt safe as she didn't have to pick a rock.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:58 pm
In all of this I forgot to say I'm really glad Christine is gone!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 1:03 pm
I'd appreciate an explanation from people who think Cochran was cowardly in voting out Keith. What was cowardly about it?
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 1:04 pm
From Entertainment Weeklys interview with Jeff P, taken from Alagingers post in the Spoiler thread....about picking the rock Jeff: "Would I draw rocks? Depends. Jim’s logic made no sense to me because he kept saying that his “tribe” had the better odds, because they had two people with immunity, but Jim still had the same odds as everyone else. This is an individual game. At that point in the game I am not going to draw rocks. This is a zero sum game which means there is only one winner. I’m not drawing a f—ing rock this early in the game. Too many moves left to make. I like Cochran’s move. He’s a long shot to win so he went for broke."
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