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Alaginger
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 6:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Let's start this week with Jeff's Blog
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Okay, I’m not a lawyer, but it seems to me that there is a bit of an implied contract when you agree to be on Survivor.
On our side, we promise you the adventure of your lifetime. Something you have never experienced before and will probably never experience again. It’s a multi-million dollar, life-changing thrill ride that will test you on every level. We promise, and we always deliver. Always.
In exchange we expect only two things from you: Show up… and play. That’s it. When you fail to do one or both of those requirements you are not living up to your end of the bargain. One might say you are in breach of our implied contract.
That’s my new philosophy regarding quitters on Survivor. You’re breaking your contract. There are certainly exceptions to the rule, such as medical evacuations and family emergencies, but I’m talking about the contestants who just decide they don’t want to play anymore. In this case, Naonka and Purple Kelly.
You’d think that by the time you have gone through the long arduous process of casting, meeting the executives at CBS, suffering through your immunization shots, getting your passport, arranging to leave your life for 39 days, getting on a plane, meeting with the press, and then lasting 28 days to give yourself a 1-in-9 shot at winning a million dollars, that this would be a no-brainer. Of course you’re going to finish; quitting would be foolish, right?
I’m not going to rehash the events of the quit, that’s just a waste of time and space.
I will however mention that when Naonka had the chance to walk away from the reward in exchange for tarp and rice, I truly believed she would do it. I was initially shocked when she didn’t move. Shocked. Naonka had just told everybody she wanted to quit. She knew she would be eating real food and sleeping in a real bed within hours, and all she had to do was stand up and say “It’s the least I can do before I quit.” She would have redeemed herself just a little bit.
But upon reflection I can clearly see that my expectation was flawed. Naonka has been consistently selfish for 28 days, and for her to stand up and suddenly do the “right thing” would not be consistent. Naonka went out the same way she came in, “Looking out for numero uno.”
In addition to not being a lawyer, I’m also not a psychologist, but it never seems to stop me from offering up an opinion. So here’s my take on whether they will regret this later in life:
I don’t think Naonka is going to regret her actions for one moment. I think Naonka has a lot of maturing to do and it doesn’t appear to be coming anytime soon. Quitting Survivor doesn’t make Naonka a bad person in my eyes, it was just disappointing. I’ll be curious to find out the reaction from Naonka’s family at the reunion show.
In the case of Purple Kelly, I think she will learn a lot from this experience and will at some point regret not sticking it out for 11 more days.
When you quit, when you give up and walk away from a task, even though you know you have some gas left in the tank, you are in a sense giving up on yourself. Purple Kelly had a lot of gas left in her tank. She’s a very strong and resilient young woman. Naonka gave her permission to quit and she took it and ran. I have a feeling the next time Purple Kelly is in the same situation she will think a long time before quitting.
JURY
I know a lot of you are angry right now because Naonka and Purple Kelly are allowed to be on the jury, so let me explain.
The reason they will both be members of the jury is because a precedent had already been set back when Janu quit in Survivor: Palau. Janu quit the game but was allowed to be on the jury, so we used the same reasoning with Naonka and Purple Kelly. It wasn’t an emotional decision, just an issue of fairness.
And yes…Marty, Alina and Brenda were very upset when they found out these quitters would still get to have a vote to decide who wins the million dollars.
IMPACT
Naonka and Purple Kelly quitting just blew this game wide open. It’s like we’re starting over. Their quit benefits some and penalizes others. The person who lost the most was Sash. He not only lost Purple Kelly, who would have voted any way he wanted her to, he also lost Naonka and her idol. He could have taken those two to the end with him and probably been a shoo-in for the million dollars. Instead he now must scramble to make something happen, and other than Dan, everybody else is a threat to win the game.
From a show point of view it’s an awesome turn of events. It changed everything and makes for an exciting and unpredictable finish.
Everybody left in the game has a legitimate shot to win.
Everybody except Dan. Dan’s best hope was to go to the final with Naonka and Purple Kelly. Now that they’re gone, I cannot think of a scenario in which Dan could beat anybody to win. This makes Dan a great person to take to the end. The dilemma is going to be who else do you take to the final?
I am not picking on Dan, I actually enjoy Dan quite a bit, and I could be wrong and Dan could win. If he does win, stay glued to your television because there is a very good chance that at the live show, as I read the last “Dan” vote, I will become light-headed and pass out on the CBS stage. Fortunately, Dancing With The Stars tapes nearby, so Tom Bergeron could run over and handle the rest of the reunion show.
Okay, so we are down to seven: Jane, Benry, Fabio, Holly, Sash, Chase, and Dan. There is going to be a lot of scrambling happening from here until the end. Here is my assessment of what each player needs to do:
Chase needs to form an alliance and stick with it.
Fabio, Benry and Jane need to start winning immunity or they are in danger.
Holly needs to keep mothering and nurturing and keep the attention on others.
Sash has the most work to do since his rug has been pulled out from under him.
Dan doesn’t need to do anything; it’s been working for 28 days. Why change?
It looks like we might have an exciting finish….
See ya next week.

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
What I got out of the two Ponderosa Clips:
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Figured you guys, like myself, would be interested in the reaction at Ponderosa. So, here's my take on it:

1 - The doctor weighed the two girls in. NaOnka had lost 11 pounds, and Kelly Purple had lost 12 pounds. (Remember NaOnka had just been to the movie and eaten hot dogs, candy, etc.)

2 - Marty was angry at TC, but Brenda who seems to always have her emotions under control, talked with him and made him see that for them the game is over....and from here on out they are just people, not players anymore. So, Marty greeted both girls at the door with open arms, apologies if he had ever done anything in the game to p*ss either one off. Brenda greeted with open arms and no admonitions about them quitting the game or NaOnka booting her off.

3 - Alina had taken it hard at the TC (we all saw her crying there) and it must have lingered. All we saw of her at Ponderosa were private confessionals from her own room. By breakfast the next morning she was over it, and got into the same mood as Marty and Brenda were doing. There was discussion about the quitting at the table, but no finger-pointing or bad-mouthing (but in any private confessionals with Marty, Brenda and Alina, they all don't agree with what the two girls did).

4 - On that second day they all went shopping in Granada and acted just like average everyday people in a group, shopping, eating, dancing, whatever.

5 - As a side, with Purple Kelly having her hair clean and hanging down you can (for once) actually see blonde at the top and about 2/3's down, and then the bottom 1/3 is all very purple.

6 - One other thing ... every time the 5 of them toast the jury, NaOnka and Kelly joined in like they are just like the others. I think Jeff is going to make sure they see they are not just like the others, even though they get full Ponderosa treatment...but that's just my feeling.

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 8:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
The pics and transcript for next week are...........
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not up!!! Survivor Fever has it up, but the link to click in says "Service Unavailable" so I can't get any pics of transcript for the preview we saw last night at the end of the show. Basically, from what I remember, it looked like everybody was being targeted by somebody!!! (LOL)

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
From TDT we get a picture of what appears to be the IC next week:
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The participants, from left to right, are: Chase (green), Jud (red), Dan (blue), Jane (orange), Sash (turquoise), Benry (some color obscured by the structure), and Holly (yellow).

There's probably more to the challenge than just the mud race start, but that's all that was shown during the recrap promos of future challenges.

Ginger: And, from our spoiler list from Missyae which has been in the "General Spoiler Thread" for quite awhile, we know Benry gets the boot here.

TDT is speculating that Jud (Fabio) will win immunity since he goes on an immunity run near the end. That's probably a good guess, but not written in concrete yet. If the tribe sees Benry as a bigger threat than Fabio, they might spot him for the boot anyway and Fabio can start his run next week. But, it's still a good guess for the IC winner.

Costacat
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 2:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Jeff updated his blog:

UPDATE (Dec. 2, 12:00pm):
In response to so many comments about last night’s episode I wanted to add a follow up on the topic of quitters being allowed to be on the jury. When Janu quit and was allowed to stay on as a member of the jury, the precedent set was one that says “if we are in the jury phase of the game and you quit, you will still be a member of the jury.” Here is why the Janu precedent is important….

If you take it one step further, you realize that the decision has major ramifications because whoever Janu was in an alliance with, may still benefit from her vote at the end of the game. It could be a million dollar vote… from a quitter. Not the greatest situation but that’s the precedent that was set.

So, we did not believe it would be fair, based on precedent, to suddenly change the rules and say to Naonka and Purple Kelly, “you cannot be on the jury.” Because that could unfairly penalize someone in their alliance. If that person made it to the final and Naonka and Purple Kelly were not on the jury that could make a case that it was “unfair”… based on the precedent set with Janu.

We always strive to be fair. When you remove the emotion of the situation it’s easy that this was the “fair” thing to do. It wasn’t a popular decision on location and we understand that as fans you really don’t like it at all, but it was the fair decision.Will we look to make changes in the rules from this point forward…? Consider that a big YES. Thank you for your input, we listen to your feedback and in this case we agree with you.

I’m sure we’ll deal with this at the live reunion show on Dec. 19th as well.

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Thanks a bunch, Cost! Evidently CBS and the producers of the show are getting the message from the viewing public!

Kookliebird
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
I imagine that Naonka and Purple Kelly will be "grilled" by Jeff at the finale.

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 6:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
This is not a spoiler, but in the interview with Fancast.com, I found it interesting what NaOnka said about hate mail and security:
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Gordon: Now NaOnka, you’re a P.E. teacher in your regular life. Has your appearance on “Survivor” affected your career at all?

NaOnka: This might upset a lot of people, but…nope! It sure has not. Actually, I’ve been getting requests to do more schools.

Gordon: Really?

NaOnka: And it’s pretty ironic because I thought it was going to hit me really hard. The only thing that was weird was that somehow my place of work hit the Internet. The location, the address, everything. So, I started getting a lot of hate mail at my job. They started emailing my boss. People were actually coming to my job. It was crazy. I needed security to start walking me to my car. I think people need to understand that this is a game, this is not real life. The way we play this game has nothing to do with our lives, we were trying to survive in Nicaragua.

Biscottiii
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 9:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Alaginger, I hope you don't mind that I copied your EXCELLENT description of the two Ponderosa Clips over to the 12th Show thread.

Our Canadian Friends can't access CBS Youtubes (licensing issues with Canada) and not everyone wants to check the Spoiler thread. They're just as curious about what happens at Ponderosa as we all are. Thanks for writing it out!

Lexie_girl
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 6:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Yeah, uhhhh when you need security to walk to your car because you threatened to throw an artificial leg into the fire, you're NOT getting job offers!!!!

Alaginger
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
That's fine Bisc ... I don't mind if anything gets copied there. Just make sure there is nothing in it that is of spoiler value, cause that is what I have been sanctioned to try to keep in this section of threads. I just reread what I had written, and I don't think there was anything of spoiler value there, so that was very nice of you to think of that!

Over at Survivor Blows, one poster has viewed all the secret Insider videos. I read through them yesterday but didn't see anything of spoiler value to bring over here.

Alaginger
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 7:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Finally some pics and transcript are up at Survivor Fever from the preview shown on Wednesday night's show:
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Transcript:

Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor, the 7 players still in the game want it and they want it bad.

Chase [camera confessional]: It's going to be a fight to the finish.

Probst: The knives come out and no one is safe.

Sash [talking to Chase]: The only person that could beat you at the end is Jane.

Dan [talking to Benry]: We're voting off Jane.

Chase: Holly will...

Fabio: We're voting off Holly?

Holly: I just don't trust Sash.

Jane: Fabio is going home.

Benry: It's crazy what a couple of hours can do around here.
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Ginger: In this picture it doesn't appear that Dan, Sash, Benry or Jud (Fabio) have the II on. That's assuming this pic is from an IC (it could have been after an RC). Anyway, reading through the confessionals of the names of who's being targeted, I almost want to guess that Chase might have the necklace. Will be interesting to see if Missyae tells us who wins immunity.
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Alaginger
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 7:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Okey-Dokey - more pics and transcript from a different preview over at Survivor Fever:
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Transcript:

Announcer: Wednesday, the Survivor tribe is split
3 versus 3. The 7th castaway is a wild card

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Sash [camera confessional]: Pretty much make me
your best offer.

Benry [camera confessional]: If Sash were smart
he'd jump on board with us.

Chase: I'm gonna try to do my best to make sure he
feels real good with our group.

Announcer: Will the alliances crumble?

Benry: As long as it's not me going home next.

Holly: Oh no.

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Announcer: The only way to guarantee survival, win immunity.

Chase: It's going to be a fight to the finish.

Sash: They really have no idea what's going on.
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Ginger: Survivor Fever's speculation is that the mud challenge is the IC, so the returning pic I showed in the above post would be from that.

Survivor Fever thinks this is the Reward Challenge:
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Arriving at the challenge
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The challenge

And from this pic they are saying it appears that Chase, Holly and Jane went on reward.
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Tntitanfan
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 8:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
While going on a reward challenge is great, this is NOT a good time to be away from camp and the buzz going on there! Just sayin'

Pamy
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
does anyone know Chase has II?

Alaginger
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
To the best of my knowledge, nobody knew that NaOnka had a II except Brenda who helped her find it. She gave it to Chase in private, so unless he tells somebody, nobody should know it.

Alaginger
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
CBS Misdirection Clue:
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A castaway is left questioning alliances after a broken promise leaves them out in the cold on the next episode of Survivor Nicaragua.

Pamy
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 2:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Thx Ginger!!! Do we have info on if Chase uses it ...ooopss dont answer that here!!!!! Im not in the whole season spoiler thread...but if ya know you could put answer there:-) I cant remember if I read what happens, I did remember reading she gave it to him

Alaginger
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Pamy ... follow the directions to the season spoiler thread

Pamy
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Friday, December 03, 2010 - 10:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
LOL! I did! ty!

Alaginger
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Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 6:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Well! Well! Well! ... just a bit of a turn-around here this morning:
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Over at Sucks, a couple of days ago, somebody asked Missyae if Chase won the Family Reunion Reward Challenge, which isn't even this week, and Missyae said:

"I was told long ago Chase wins lots of Rewards and Fabio wins lots of Immunities."

I didn't think too much of that, but after reading the posts at Survivor Blows this morning regarding the RC and the IC probably being just the opposite of what we originally assumed, I remember that thing Missyae said a couple of days ago and thought this morning "I bet he was telling us this week's winners and being subtle about it ... especially since he is being sued by Mark Burnett and company."

Based on picture analysis, Survivor Blows posters think the reward challenge is the one with the mud crawl in it. They think that is probably just the first lap to it and we have not seen the rest. The picture above of the 4 guys coming back with mud on them, shows they are not the winners...so that leaves Chase, Jane and Holly. There are other pics of Jane and Holly where their hair is dirty, and then other pics where their hair is clean-looking. So, the Blows posters think Chase wins reward, it is a spa trip with shower and hair-washing, and he takes Holly and Jane (two of his closest allies), and they really owe Holly a reward for her sacrifice recently for the tarp and rice. In the pics, the girl's hair looks fluffier and also reflects the sunlight.

The posters also think that the other picture above of the 4 guys without mud on them is not a return as losers from an IC, but still a return as losers from the RC, and they have been in the waters and cleaned off the mud.

That leaves the pic of the 7 contenders at the color-coded posts that are wrapped with cord that is attached to their bodies. Based on spoilers that at some time Jud (Fabio) goes on a IC run, the Blows posters think he wins this week's IC.

It makes sense. The pictures work out. And the Missyae spoiling hint works in.

The only thing that doesn't work is the CBS misdirection where they have the word "IMMUNITY" on the screen over pics of Jane at one time and Chase at another, both with mud all over them....but CBS has mislead us many, many, many times in the past..........so Blows posters are discounting that.

Anything definitive ..... "No". But speculation from Blows is Chase wins RC, Jud (Fabio) wins IC, and it is a given that Benry gets the boot this week.

Lexie_girl
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Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 7:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Well! Well! Well! ... just a bit of a turn-around here this morning:
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Ginger, who is being sued by Mark Burnett and Company?

Tntitanfan
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Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Supposedly a lawsuit has been brought against Missyae -

Lexie_girl
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Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 7:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
hmmm....

How do you sue someone over the internet?

Alaginger
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Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Missyae has been very vocal about ....
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a lawsuit he has in hand. It didn't say if it was CBS or Mark Burnett or what.

The latest posting in this vein was (1) Missyae saying something when another poster at Sucks showed the fantastic ratings CBS got last week when the "quitters" episode was on, and Missyae responded that it looked like he (sarcastically) was really hurting the ratings of the show. and (2) Missyae said something about another spoiler a few years back spoiled a season and wrote a book about it, but obviously they weren't as uptight about spoilers back then (or something along that vein).

Costacat
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Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Hey Ginger. Have you figured out that Missyae is a he? Or are you just giving up and calling him/her a he? :-)

Alaginger
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Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 3:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I'm pretty sure Missyae is a he. There are too many signs of a "male", plus the posters at Blows that I trust the most say "he". Nobody has ever come right out and asked (that I have seen) and Missyae has never come right out and said (unless I missed it).