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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 7:21 pm
I had an unhappy marriage, but it took more than a month to find that out. Just sayin' -
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 8:12 pm
Didn't Cochran say in one of his confessionals he WAS in the best shape he'd ever been in when he went on Survivor? He said this was his "bulked up" version. Whitney - really? Gimme' a break.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 8:47 pm
Yes, he did say that Teach, so it does sound like Cochran prepared, as best he could. Some of us are not built to look like Ozzy. Whitney, what can I say. From her Ponderosa clips she appears very, very immature. Secret marriage? Immature.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 10:37 pm
no ones talking about how creepy it was when Cochran said he only massaged his mom!!!!!!!!?????? most men wouldnt say that,imo...
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Holly
Member
07-21-2001
| Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 10:58 pm
Or when he talked about his poop while swinging the girl in the hammock! Ewwwwwww. Or how enjoyable it was having his inside thighs massaged. Ewwwwwww. He's just a disgustingly creepy little man all around, imo.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 11:10 pm
Yes, I felt like the last time he'd had the inside of his thighs massaged, he'd paid for it. And really, anyone who says "Helter Skelter" and then invokes Sharon Tate knows exactly what happened to Mrs Polanski--because he read the book! It was a deplorable thing to say when he compared himself, according to the book he cited, to a woman who begged to let her 8 1/2 month old fetus live as she was stabbed to death. What a deplorable young man.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 11:20 pm
Lilfair I agree about Edna being on her last rung.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 12:00 am
I'm with you, Tisha. Drinking the Kool Aid refers to people being brainwashed by a cult leader, but Sharon was the victim of a savage and random attack (just because she was living in the same house as .. I think it was Terry Melcher, Dorris Day's son and don't remember why they chose his former house) but all of those there just happened to be there. And Sharon Tate happened to be famous. But the joke wouldn't have been funny if he mentioned the LaBiancas. Those invoking Drink the Kool Aid may or may not know about Jim Jones and Jonesville, but Cochran is billing himself as witty and intellignet, not that I buy that, so he did know. But I'm sure there have been more loathsome people on the show, by far.. Fairplay, among others. Cochran, to me, came on to play the weak victim. And I also thought Coach wasn't so pleased to be handed that reward. In fact, I think he actually threw that competition.. after he had two bags on the boxes, it looked like he wasn't trying very hard to win.
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Solitaryphoenix
Member
11-08-2008
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 4:35 am
I didn't really like Whitney very much while she was in the game, and after reading the interview at realityworld.com (one of my faves too!), I like her even less. How deplorable to lie about your relationship status - she didn't just lie to her fellow players about her marital status, she lied to Survivor, which isn't exactly the same as what Jim did. I don't understand why she and her husband felt the need to keep their marriage a secret, but to now pull the 'private life' card is pathetic. I'm very glad she didn't win, and it seems she and Keith deserved each other. Just MHO.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 5:00 am
But drinking the Kool Aid was how Jim Jones killed off the members of his cult. Children drinking Kool Aid and dying is sad. Cochran is not going to his death.
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Holly
Member
07-21-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 6:22 am
Cochran is not going to his death. Yes, and that's why comparing himself to Sharon Tate was so offensive. She was brutally murdered. He, in contrast, was possibly getting voted off a stupid reality show. As to the phrase "drinking the Kool-Aid" it has become such a part of the vernacular that the Jim Jones cult is seldom brought to mind. Also, the cult consisted of adults who had a choice in their death. Sharon Tate did not. Big difference, imo.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 6:30 am
Children went to their death too.
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Lostfan
Member
03-10-2010
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 6:33 am
Cochran, to me, came on to play the weak victim. You get what you put out - good riddance to him- just wish he went before jury she didn't just lie to her fellow players about her marital status, she lied to Survivor, which isn't exactly the same as what Jim what did Jim do?
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Roblover
Member
05-17-2011
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 6:44 am
One of the photographic images that is forever burned in my mind from the mass murder that occurred in British Guyana in the cult led by Jim Jones is a close up of a little pair of children's sneakers laying on the ground. Some people are misinformed in that they think that most of the people drank the poison-laced Kool-Aid willingly but the facts are that many were shot when they didn't drink it or give it to their children. I do realize, as I stated previously, that I try to overlook ignorant references to the Tate murders and the Jonestown murders because the people making them were not born when the tragedies occurred but it still bothers me because society has accepted casual references to them into the current vernacular. Did Whitney lie to the Survivor producers or just to the other players? If she lied to the producers, wouldn't she be disqualified from being on the jury? If Cochran's original tribe had planned on taking him to the finals and did not tell him, I think they, not Cochran, made one of the most stupid moves in Survivor history. They all seemed to have turned it around making it his mistake.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 7:00 am
I'm not sure why some people get all bent out of shape by one expression but don't seem to mind the other? And "drinking the kool aid" is a direct reference to the massacre.
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Holly
Member
07-21-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 7:20 am
Not in my world, Jimsky.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 7:36 am
Jim misrepresented his profession to the other players. We - and the PTB -have always known that he is a supplier of medical marijuana.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 8:43 am
What is it in your world, Holly? And where did it get that meaning? All I'm saying is that sensitivity to certain references partially relates to the individual's background, knowledge and experiences. Do I think the Manson reference was funny or appropriate? No. Was he making fun of the Manson murders? Not IMO. Would I have thought twice about it if it hadn't been discussed here? No. Does the expression "drinking the kool aid" bother me? Not particularly because I'm sure that the person using it isn't making fun of the massacre.
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Holly
Member
07-21-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 9:23 am
It means to blindly follow a group or leader's dogma and/or propaganda without questioning it. And yes, it got it's meaning, no doubt, from Jonestown. But over time the association with Jonestown has faded, IMO, and it has simply become a figure of speech much like "passed the acid test". I doubt anyone bothers to wonder where that phrase came from as well.
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 9:34 am
I remember it well. I also stopped the DVR to explain to my 15 year old the reference to Sharon Tate and the Manson clan. (Incidently, Sharon Tate was from the town I live in) and we don't forget. We need to always be respectful to the phrases and how they might impact other people. Just because it's used universally doesn't make it less offensive.
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Roblover
Member
05-17-2011
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 9:52 am
Holly, I do know the the origin of "passing the acid test" : - ) and as I understand it, it has nothing to do with tragic events. Jimmer, You are right that "certain references partially relates to the individual's background, knowledge and experiences". I noted in my first post that Cochran was probably not alive when the Manson and Jonestown murders occurred. I just think it is sad when there doesn't seem to be any common collective memory or sensitivity of tragic events that happened in recent history. My criticism was directed at our culture rather the person using the phrases. I am not a fan nor a non-fan of Cochran. I'm enjoying the show but I do cringe now and then : - )
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Roblover
Member
05-17-2011
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 10:05 am
This discussion has made me think of all my personal cringe moments this Survival season, besides the one we have been discussing. Not in any particular order: 1. Rooster killing 2. The pork challenge - I had to close my eyes and ears for this one 3. Anything Cochran has related from his past 4. Group prayers about winning the game 5. Whitney committing adultery and still thinking she has not sinned. (I can mention sinning because the God she professed to be praying to is the same one that considers she broke one of Commandments.) 6. Brandon seemingly obsession with women tempting him. Actually anything Brandon ponders about is cringe-worthy to me because I am sorry for him that he is on this show. Anyone else have any personal cringe worthy moments this season?
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Lostfan
Member
03-10-2010
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 10:10 am
I have always been AGAINST the killing of the chickens (or any animals) for food on this show - am I thinking of something else, but didnt one season someone kill a young bour (sp) makes me sad/sick when they do this on live tv
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 10:20 am
It is a direct reference to the massacre, for sure but Cochran compared himself to a victim, and a victim who was not going along with her massacre.. just a bit more unseemly to me and of course much closer to home because of where I live. These people were at home and were invaded, they hadn't chosen to move to a compound (and of course they were deluded and of course the children were not willing in any way since they were incapable of giving consent and of course the politician who was there to investigate and gunned down was not willing, but still he did go TO the location with some knowledge that something was not right. Cochran also went on Survivor with knowledge that he wasn't going to spend the summer sitting around a campfire, roasting marshmallows and singing Kumbayah, but he went into victim move and whined and grossed people out with his stories. And perhaps this was all part of his master plan, to stay as long as possible and make a bit more money. Surely he didn't really think this was a totally winning strategy? Or maybe he's seeing the trend and knows that by getting more attention from the crew and editors and more reaction, good OR bad from the viewers that he would quite likely get to come back on another season to get still more attention? Could be. I'm sure it wasn't his parents' dream to send their son to Harvard (or have him go there) so he could go on a reality show and reveal icky stories about himself.. Back to being put off by Cochran's reference to himself as Sharon Tate. I'm offended by that and I'm not sure why just because many people refer to "drinking the Kool Aid" that should lesson my offense at what Cochran said? They aren't connected in any way. I might have been offended IF Cochran used the Kool Aid reference saying that one tribe or both had FORCED him to drink the poisoned drink, but that wasn't mentioned .. Sharon Tate was and that is offensive to me. And as Tisha pointed out, he undoubtedly had read the book or seen the movie since he used the "Helter Skelter" phrase in conjunction with Manson and Sharon Tate.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 10:51 am
I think it's all a bit overblown. I didn't really care for the reference, but only because I didn't think it was an apt analogy. But then, someone who has had little food, and very little friendly support for almost a month is probably not thinking all that clearly either. I don't find Cochran creepy, just socially inept. Big difference. His reference to the Manson murders is just more of his inability to empathize in an effective way, not meant to be a display of victimhood, or anything else. He just lacks that social skill, and therefore doesn't self edit well.
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