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Solitaryphoenix
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11-08-2008

Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Solitaryphoenix a private message Print Post    
You're probably right there, Alaginger; I would think given Jeff Probst's very well-known thoughts about quitters he would've pushed for another choice if they were able to do it.

I also agree about that possible final 3, at this point I don't particularly dislike any of those players, although they're not really faves either; this season I don't really have too many favorites. I like Jimmy Johnson, and Brenda. I also like Jane, if only for the fact that she was foresighted enough to learn how to get a fire going! While I'd like to see an older tribe member win, that's really just because that's my own demographic; at this point (unless they do something really pathetic!) I would be fine with Chase, Sash or Fabio winning.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
There are no complete boot lists confirmed out at this time, but from what I think I'm reading both Brenda and Jane do go pretty far.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 1:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Whoa.. I don't agree..

Jud/Fabio would have to do quite a turnaround to make me want him anywhere near final three.. but way too early to be happy with those three.. three guys from the young team.

But of course, it has all been decided by now.

HATE the idea of Naonka getting one more minute of air time, especially on a jury.

And maybe those three will do something to convince me, by then.. lots of time.

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
Maybe the quitters just decided that a nice vacation in a nice hotel would be preferable to camping out in squalor and getting assaulted by other people, mosquitos, snakes, etc.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
While I wouldn't describe any of the previous Ponderosas as " a nice hotel," they are certainly head and shoulders above camp life! I would have much preferred "Nay" to suffer and starve to the bitter end and then LOSE!!

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Stand up and get crunk!!!

Ginger, a girl I work with told me last week she read somewhere those were the final three. I know she doesn't go to TDT, so she read it somewhere else.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 5:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Yippidy Doo Dah Day.............

Yep, Lexie. There are at least 3 spoiler sources out there, and TDT might feel confident with one of them, or might have a source of their own.

Anyway, the sites that I am visiting all seem to have zeroed in on these 3 guys.....

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 5:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
And guys that at this time I could get behind to cheer for - would have liked an older person in the F3 - but it is what it is!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 8:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Fish heads, fish heads, roly poly fish heads...

Well unfortunately it looks like pure jealousy and spite on a couple of people's part (and then enough to vote out Jimmy J) may be the ultimate downfall for the older tribe..

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
If the end spoilers are right - and I - for one - don't doubt them, the older tribe cut their own throat when they voted out Jimmy J. Win the battle - lose the war scenario! They deserve what they get!

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 9:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Alaginger said:

Only the jury members go to the "Ponderosa" and stay there.

Actually, I remember reading an interview from my favorite exit interview site. That lady cop, from <100> Russell's first season who he couldn't buffalo, was voted out first or second. I'm pretty sure she said they all went to Ponderosa until it was time for jury members to start arriving. Then they were sent as a group to a 5-star hotel for the rest of the time. Which would make sense in terms of logistics. Herd them together like cats, easier to keep the group out of sight and under control (like no Twittering/Facebook), provide security - rather that sending them off one at a time.

They only start filming & showing us Ponderosa tapes when the jury arrives. I sure wish we could see them ALL! Can you imagine what
FUN
interactions that chatty Wendy and obnoxious about womenfolk Shannon could have supplied?

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Sunday, September 26, 2010 - 5:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Yes, Bis ....... you are right. I guess what I was trying to say was that by the time NaOnka and Kelly quit, the only ones staying at the "Ponderosa" would be jury members. The others would have been moved somewhere else, and it might be somewhere close where they could have drawn somebody back in to serve on the jury, or it might be somewhere they were flown off to...a resort somewhere else, or something. They definitely don't send them home, because of spoilers (LOL). I remember once where the members were flown off and we got to see pictures of 3 of them on the beach somewhere on horseback...but I can't remember who they were, or what season but it was far away from the Survivor show.

Oh, my goodness......what a visual I get of Shannon and Wendy together at Ponderosa. That really would be worth seeing. I would also like to see when Jimmy T. comes the week after Jimmy J.

By the way ... I read in either the Insider or somebody's interview after Wendy was voted out, that she got off the path going through the graveyard right outside of the TC, and got sidetracked, wandering through the "made up" grave site. I don't know if she got lost or just got sidetracked for a bit.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Monday, September 27, 2010 - 5:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Ginger: Since we have been discussing the quitters, I decided to do some cutting and pasting of the subject below, because it has some reference to the rules of Survivor for quitting the show and still being on the jury. This cut and paste is all taken from the problems Andy Dehnart (journalist and reporter of Reality blurred) had with CBS after publishing the survivor contract and rules. Here’s a part of what Andy had to say about what happened.
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“In late July, almost eight weeks after I first published my analysis of an annotated version of the contract cast members sign, a CBS lawyer in New York sent a DMCA takedown notice to Scribd, the document hosting service I used to present the files in an easy-to-use reader that was embedded in my stories. CBS’ letter claimed that “[s]uch copying and use of this material constitutes clear infringement of the Rights Owner’s copyrights under the Copyright Act, including the DMCA, and its counterpart laws around the world.” Two weeks ago, I sent a counter-notification, modifying Scribd’s template and writing in part that “I believe the claims of copyright infringement are inaccurate and should be rejected because: My use of the material is legally protected because it falls within the ‘fair use’ provision of the copyright regulations, as defined in 17 USC 107. My use was for criticism, comment, and news reporting about the documents as part of my work as a journalist and television critic, and the annotated documents were embedded as part of these two stories that reported on, criticized, and explained the contents of the documents.” (Copyright law allows for fair use, which includes “for purposes such as criticism, comment, [and] news reporting.”)…..As explained above, that essentially gave CBS 14 days to sue me…..two weeks later, a representative of Scribd wrote to me to say that “CBS has not responded to multiple requests for follow-up on your counter-notifications,” and the the documents “have been restored.”
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Ginger: Now, here are excerpts of the original article, now that it has been restored, that I thought would be interesting to us:
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Survivor rules: the contract that details pay, tie-breakers, prohibited behavior, and more
Reality blurred by Andy Dehnart
The rules includes ones we’ve never heard of, and ones that have clearly been broken. For example, quid pro quo is not permitted, nor may “one Contestant receive a benefit of some form of consideration” from another, but there was Yau-Man promising a truck in exchange for immunity. There are also very clear rules against two things we saw Russell Hantz do during the last two seasons: communicating with members of the other tribe and taking and/or damaging personal property.

The document’s longest passage has to do with procedures to break ties, including the infamous purple rock, though its color is not specified. There are many permutations beyond that, however, that have apparently never been necessary. It also includes clauses that haven’t been invoked before, but that could be, including allowing a medically evacuated contestant to return to the game.
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Ginger - And finally, here is a reference to the “quitting” we’ve been talking about, taken from the poster Georjanna over at Survivor Blows, which is where I got the links this morning to bring you what I have brought, and this part came out of her discussion after she had bothered to read the referenced contract and rule book … the part that refers to quitting and still being on the jury.
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“The phrase “In Producer’s sole discretion” introduces, concludes - or is liberally sprinkled through-out - virtually every paragraph of both documents. For instance, there is the gem of a “Rule” that governs the Jury participation of contestants who have quit the Series.

In short: Assuming that the same “Rules” are still applicable (the material at Reality Blurred references a seven-member Jury and a Final 2) if anyone who quits the Series subsequently serves as a Juror, it would appear to be because that is the way the “Producer” wanted/wants it and not because those Rules contain an irrevocable Palau Clause."

However, the Rule that imposes the penalty (apparently, the forfeiture of the right to any prize) for quitting the Series is contained in one of the few paragraphs within the same document that appears to be discretion-free.
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Ginger: So, based on this, I guess if NaOnka and purple Kelly quit, but still wind up on the jury, it is at the Producer’s discretion, but they have penalties (whatever they might be).

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 8:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Okay...I've got to do a little figuring out here for myself, so thought I would let you guys join in:
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Missyae has spoiled and/or suggested that (1) Marty gives his idol to Sash, and Jill gets burned and (2) that NaOnKa betrays Brenda, and the next day after TC quits but gives her idol to Chase. So addressing the (1), I brought over the mix-up at Episode 5 where they have the swap:
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"After the swap, these are the tribes.

Brenda Lowe
Kelly Shinn
Fabio (Jud)
Sash (Matthew)
Kelly Bruno
Marty
Jill
Jane

VS

Naonka Mixon
Benry (Ben)
Chase
Alina
Yve
Holly
Tyronne
Danny
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So, you see that Marty and Jill wind up on the same tribe as Sash. Plus we know that Jill does not make the jury. Therefore, I'm guessing that during episode 5, 6, 7 or 8 we will see Jill get burned and the Marty/Sash thing play out. The merge is at episode 9 when there are 12 players left, and Jill is not one of them. This really bums me out a bit, cause Jill figured the clues out, gave Marty the info, practically showed him where to dig, and then even told him in Episode 3 that he should share it with the tribe to earn their trust.
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Regarding (2) - That part doesn't play out til after the merge when NaOnka, Brenda and Chase are all at the same camp together again.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Ahem . . .

Really looking forward to when Marty leaves, I may even plan An Evening of Schadenfreude around it. Any idea when that might be? I need to plan my hors de ouvres and fine-tune my cackle.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
ooooooooooooooooo.....




Now I am curious to see how the strong alliance works after being split up. thanks for the info!

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure if I have this pinned down right, but if I do:
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Kelly B. will not make the merge
Yve, Tyrone and Jill will not make the merge

So, Goddess...in answer to your question, Marty makes the jury...so hold up on those hors de ouvres.

And Panda, it appears the strong alliance of 5 will be back together again after the merge, cause none of those 5 are in the list to get the boot before the merge.

Summary (and only if I'm understanding everything coorectly from all the clues that are out there)

episode 4 - Jimmy T. (boot)
episode 5 - Swap (list of new mix is posted above)
Episode 5, 6, 7, and 8 - boot (in no apparent order --- cause I don't know) - Kelly B., Jill, Tyrone and Yve.
Episode 9 - jury (9 members plus 3 for Final 3)
Final 3 - Chase, Sash, and Jud (???)

Sammi
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03-31-2008

Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sammi a private message Print Post    
If that list of rules is correct then that girl STOLE the shoes right out of his bag. Wonder if there is going to be any punishment for that???

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Probably not for the following reason:
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“In Producer’s sole discretion”

Seems like they make rules that can be changed at a moment's notice, right in the middle of a challenge even, and it is “In Producer’s sole discretion”.

Almost sounds like a big joke, to me!

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 6:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
"Jud" is Fabio.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 6:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Oh, Keldogg......(LOL).... I meant for the (???) to reflect that the Final 3 being those 3 guys, in my mind, might still be questionable.

But, yes...you are right ...Jud has the nickname of Fabio.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, October 01, 2010 - 3:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
ooops, sorry....I thought you weren't sure...my bad!

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 5:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
More at Survivor Blows this morning where OutFrontGirl brings over some more spoiling from Missyae regarding the two quitters (NaOnka and Purple Kelly). In the first part, Missyae was probably asked about Brenda getting the boot and then NaOnka quitting and then Purple Kelly leaving, was it one TC right after another?
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10/1 missyae comments:
Back to back weeks to me are boot numbers. I DO NOT keep up with filming dates, cycles, calendars, I have said many times that is not my thing and TDT does a much better job on that than I would ever come close to. When I say, back to back weeks, I am not thinking whether that is 1 day, 2 days, 3 days, or the same day. In this case Brenda left The Game at night. The next morning Naonka decided to quit for a pretty stupid reason at that point in The Game.

notify Brenda, hey we are going to TC today. At that TC, Naonka quits and Kelly S also quits. Jeff tries to talk them into staying and they won't do it. All 3 people in that original alliance left within hours of each other and had they stuck together, who knows, they might have been your final 3. There will be something done by Jeff to remind them at each TC after that, YOU QUIT. Even after getting that far and doing all she did, Naonka still had NO REGRETS about any of it.

(OFGtheory wrote:
missyae, thank for clarifying that Na Onka isn't remorseful about backstabbing Brenda. I'd gotten the impression she was. Really doesn't seem like the type to feel much guilt. Can you say why she does quit? Temper tantrum? Hissy fit? Wants a sandwich? Can't stand to be around Fabio one more day?)

Missyae:
Her bones were hurting. She thought she was sick.
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Ginger: So, if I am reading this right added to what we have already been told, NaOnka betrays Brenda and Brenda gets the boot at TC. The very next morning NaOnka decides to quit and gives her idol to Chase. The next TC had to have happened the very next day in timeframe of the players. Since we sometimes get two TCs on one show, Missyae cannot tell us if Brenda leaves one week, and then NaOnka and Purple Kelly quit the next week. She just says it is the next TC, and that NaOnka has no regrets about anything she has done.

Now we have been told that NaOnka quit because her bones hurt and she thought she was sick. We've already been told that Purple Kelly quit and knew she was the next to go anyway.

My question is the timing in the show. We know it is after the merge, cause NaOnka and Purple Kelly are allowed to stay on the jury, even thought Jeff makes sure to point out "You Quit".
But how many other players are left at that point is the question? If the only other players left are the Final Three, why bother to give Chase NaOnka's idol because she isn't using it, and at F3 it would not count any more. Does she not know that? Or does she know that and is making a useless point? Or are there other players left besides the F3 and Chase now has a hidden immunity idol?

As we get more spoiling, this timeframe might become clearer.


Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Whoa! Hold your hats!!! I sure didn't see this one coming...........

A poster asked Missyae a question regarding Ponderosa, and look at the answer:
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Question for missyae:

For the last few seasons, I start a video thread in Spoilers titled, "Life At Ponderosa." They are fun and delightful to see. CBS won't release them until the jury starts forming. Will NaOnka be there? She quit the game, so please say no.

Missyae: She will be there. I am just speculating but I would guess there will be lots of talk between Kelly S, Naonka and Brenda about how they had it won and blew it. I mentioned long ago, the fans of female Survivors had nobody to blame but the females for what happens. When Sash and Chase make their alliance with Holly and Jane, that was Holly and Jane's fault. When Naonka helped engineer Brenda's ouster, that was her fault. Kelly S could have stuck it out, jury members at that point wanted her to but she didn't, that's her fault.
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Ginger: If after Brenda is booted and NaOnka and Purple Kelly quit, if Holly and Jane are left standing and make an alliance with Sash and Chase, then Jud (Fabio) must go on an immunity run. Other posters at Sucks are saying this, and it crossed my mind also.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 6:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Not really sure what this means, but I cut and pasted it here out of a paragraph where Missyae is talking about how much she likes this season. She mentions a lot of other stuff she liked about it, but none had the spoiler value that I think this does:
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"We have stopped talking about Holly and the shoes and now its how does Holly make it that far? Well, the older ladies hook up with the younger guys. In my opinion, Brenda is an all star. She was dominating this game with her strategy and gameplay but just maybe got a little too confident. When Chase starts sleeping in between Jane and Holly, that should have been a HUGE clue, something was up."

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Ginger: So, does that mean that Chase is instrumental in what happens to Brenda?....which is followed up by NaOnka and Purple Kelly quitting?....and by NaOnka giving Chase her idol.
This quitting things gets curiouser, and curiouser, and curiouser all the time.