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Brenda1966
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07-02-2002

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 12:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I agree AuntiMike and Lilfair. I just knew the cool kids would act like that. And I'm really surprised how the Mormon Mom acted toward him. As a mom I would think she'd been a bit more welcoming. And yes, Cochran's move delighted me and made the season more interesting. I don't ever want to see that bag of rocks! Thank you Cochran!

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I think Cochran enjoys playing the role of the victim.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
The very thought of thinking it is justified to be rude and arrogant towards another person, regardless of they did, is so wrong. Can't anyone assume any responsibility for themselves? It is so lame to blame Cochran for their actions....ie. he made me do it. Why doesn't anyone take the high road anymore? On that note, I don't hold Dawn any higher or lower than the others. They were all rude and inexcusable in their actions. I'm not letting Cochran off the hook; he is apparently annoying and not well liked but he has to learn to cope with who he is, just as they need to assume responsibility for who they are. It seems as if we are always so busy blaming others we forget we need to step up and be better people too!

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Why doesn't anyone take the high road anymore?

I know. That's precisely my point about the sore loser, who admits he's insulted for being used and humiliated, choosing to sit away from his former tribe mates. No high road. Just a low, low road as he kvteches about poor him, being left all alone, even as he consciously chose to sit away from his tribe mates.

He chooses to be an outsider and makes sure he looks victimized by it. He'd be much better off taking the high road rather than creating a narrative about his victimization.

It seems as if we are always so busy blaming others we forget we need to step up and be better people too

My point exactly. He made his decisions, and he needs to stop blaming others--and saying he has no ill will toward them--and become a better person who is willing, finally, to engage with the people in the tribe rather than shun them so he can look like a sympathetic figure. It's sad, actually, because I think he has come to believe it. Nor would it surprise me to learn that he engaged the same sorts of passive aggressive behavior while still in the game.

Brenda1966
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07-02-2002

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Interesting how we see things so differently. I thougth Cochran *did* take the high road, he went out and talked to each player, greeted them, tried to say "no hard feelings". His social awkwarness keeps him from always finding the right things to say, but I saw him trying. And frankly it's more than I would have done after how they treated him back at camp with the "you disgust me" type of comments. I thought it was brave of him to approach each one.

I'm sure he's annoying as all-get-out. I'm probably glad I didn't have to live with him. But I didn't really see any passive aggressive behavior. I would not have gone and sat right next to the cool kids that shunned me either. Who wants to subject themselves to that?!

I realize Ozzy is still in the game, but he seemed to greet Cochran with some respect and kindness. I think Ozzy is probably better able to process that this is still just a game. And I appreciated Probst respect of Cochran's bold move, even though it didn't pay off. Not every gamble will, but cochran had the guts to try to make a move, not be a coattail rider.

At least Edna will be there soon and Cochran and Edna can discuss koolaid flavors. LOL.

Holly
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07-21-2001

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I think he's an attention hog and his 'poor victim persona' as he slouches about keeps the cameras on him--just what he wants.

I have a bad feeling that he'll be back, being one of Jeffie's pets after all and the amount of camera time he's garnished this season almost guarantees it.

Jewels
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09-22-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 1:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jewels a private message Print Post    
I see it completely different. :-) I think he didn't sit next to them at the table because that is what he is used to. The socially awkward nerd does not sit at the same table as the cool kids. I'm sure he has put up with that since he was a young kid. You move away before you are told to. Classic reaction to bullying.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
It seemed to me that Cochran sat down at an empty table and the others chose to sit at the far end.

Now that I've seen him out of the game I have even more empathy for him. I liked him in the game but now understand why he is so awkward with others. He doesn't like being surrounded by people all the time. I'm the same way. When I was working, I'd have to do lunch alone even though my co-workers thought I was being a snob. Too much interaction with others makes me uncomfortable. That's his problem too. I say inappropriate things too when I'm feeling overwhelmed by people.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 1:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Right, as I said, a disposition he has "come to believe" so he can "look like a sympathetic figure." He's so accustomed to it, it's become his passive aggressive way of differentiating himself from others.

I also have a hard time lumping all the other contestants into some "cool kids" rubric. Let's leave aside Whitney, who, where I live, might be described by some words, but cool would never be one of them. But Dawn? A cool kid? A mother of six with a PhD who teaches English composition at BYU? And she manages to get along with the rest of the group quite well rather than alienate herself from them. It's very telling, indeed.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
LOL - Guys like Cochran don't shun people. Guys like Cochran are the ones who are shunned and isolated by people who think that the game (and probably life) is all about looking good and being physically competent. Cochran was low man the moment he stepped on the beach with those people.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Here's the difference I see - Cochran decided to single handedly cost everyone of them their shot at the million dollars. Which was his prerogative in favor of his own game, but that doesn't mean they have to like it or act like they like it. Each one of them, even though they treated Cochran poorly at different times, made conscious decisions to KEEP Cochran in the game regardless of his uselessness in challenges and around camp.

He screwed them to the wall and cost each of them their shot at a million; they all kept Cochran in the game and gave him his continued shot at the million.

I'm siding with the screwed over tribe on this one.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Well they don't like him and treat him like dirt (possibly justifiably) because they think he cost them a million dollars. Um ... but then they never did like him anyway and always treated him like dirt so it's not much of a loss for him.

Jewels
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09-22-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jewels a private message Print Post    
Amazing how different our opinions can be. :-) I have a socially awkward, tries hard to fit in, nerdy, borderline on the autism spectrum son and I see this so extremely different than many of you.

Call it whatever you want...cool kids, mean kids....whatever label you put on it. Cocharan is not one of them. He owes them nothing. They didn't let him in on their plan. He was out there fending for himself. He took a risk, at least he was willing to take one. It didn't pay off, if it had....who knows.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
Poor Cochran.
Poor Jim.
Poor Whitney.
Poor Keith.
Poor Dawn.
Poor....next person coming to Ponderosa.

It's all Cochran's fault they are not winning the million dollars.

Phew. There I've gotten that off my chest!

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
I'm curious how folks would react if it hadn't been Cochran who'd done this 'major move', or 'screwing over', or however one sees it.

What if Ozzie or one of the other 'cool kids / less annoying players' had done it?

Personally I doubt the reaction would be quite as vitriolic. I think the overall response would be 'Whoa, that was a ballsy, history-making thing to do!'

Of course there would be bitterness on behalf of the screwees towards the screwer, (we're talking about a million dollars here), but not to sophomoric extent that's been dished out to Cochran. IMHO anyways.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
Oh, I forgot to say......there can only be ONE million dollar winner. Does that mean everyone else was screwed by Cochran?

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
ITA Jimmer, Jewels, and Auntiemike.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
From where I sit, the awkward outcast and the 'bullying' crowd act in rehearsed and repeated ways to continue a dance with which they are all familiar. Cochran's cowish behavior annoys people, and people who have some bullying tendencies then pick on him which causes him to be more placating (and inwardly hateful), and them to be even more mean.

The truth is, it is FAR easier for the bully to back off and be kind than it is for someone who has been bullied their entire lives to somehow magically in the moment choose to behave differently. It takes a whole new set of learned skills, and it takes quite a long time to practice them to get them right.

So now w have the 'mean kids' screaming about how they are victims of Cochran's choice, all the while they are bullying him. It's a little absurd. If you don't like victimizing, don't do it; or don't be so hypocritical when you're the object of it.

In other words, if you want someone to help you win a million dollars, you ought to be nice to them; and not be surprised when they return your peevish behavior with betrayal.

I'm taking the side of the awkward nerd, because I identify.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
not to sophomoric extent that's been dished out to Cochran

I'm sorry my feelings about this matter seem sophomoric. I thought I looked carefully at his play during the game and at Ponderosa and reached conclusions about it. He has called the results of his game play humiliating and insulting, so I'm not really second guessing his own estimation of it; how that is sophomoric is, really, beyond me. His decisions to divorce himself from his other tribe members is pretty clear in the clips. In one, all the other members are sitting at the table eating and he chooses to sit away from them. That's a fine decision, I guess, but if he acted that way during the game, all the while telling stories about pooping his pants and telling girls he wanted to trade sperm with them....well, what is there to say?

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Tisha, if you read that post carefully, you will see that the poster was referring to the other cast members as 'sophomoric', not you. Unless of course you were in the running for a million dollars, and we didn't know. :-)

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Why the sympathy for a grown human being who is exceptionally intelligent and capable of determining his own course in life (and clearly has advantages, Harvard is NOT a cheap adventure). This MAN made his own decisions based on his own insecurities or needs, why does he have to be treated like he's somehow handicapped in life and requires protection? I find that condescending.

Trust me, he has a terrific future OUTSIDE of Survivor, and possibly on a future season of Survivor as well. He will take great joy in running over whomever stands in the way of his success, believe me this is what lawyers do. He is made for the game of life and he is a winner. I save my "poor whomever" feelings for the truly disadvantaged. That is NOT Cochran.

Gumby
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08-14-2004

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gumby a private message Print Post    
Tish,not trying to speak for Mame here, but I think she was referring to the other tribe mates and their behavior. That's the way I read it anyways.

Egbok
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07-13-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Egbok a private message Print Post    
I'm a Cochran fan and I expect to see him back on a future Survivor season.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 3:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Eggie, dear, wash your mouth out please and then go to confession. \kidding.

I'm all for nerds having huge success in life, it is their payoff for all of the unkindness they may suffer on the way: I'm just not in favor of the sympathy-fest for this particular one. He's made well-considered decisions in favor of himself, why shouldn't he suffer the ramifications? It's a lesson in life, and one he clearly needed to learn.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 3:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
just as Cochran does not our sympathy, neither do the others need our encouragement for their behavior. It's ALL wrong in my book. Everybody needs to grow up. Some will and some won't. Such is life.

I don't want to defend Cochran, nor do I want to justify the others.