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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:02 am
None of those "macho" guys on his old tribe would have voted to award Cochran a million dollars anyway. They could never stomach the idea that would mean he had defeated them as Cochran doesn't fit their image of a strong player. Plus what argument could he use at Tribal if he stayed with his old tribe? I tagged along and got into the final three by doing nothing? At least now as a fan of the game he can feel that he made a memorable move and got some payback on the people he felt disrespected him. Good for him!
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Whowhere
Member
07-16-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:13 am
I'm not a Woody Allen fan either and I fail to see the resemblance. "...he wasn't the target this week..." He's been a target every week on their team. He has taken the brunt for all of their failures even though other team members weren't exactly flawless, including Ozzie. Hell, even Jeff has been "picking" on Cochran during competitions and at tribal. Time will tell where he rates on his new tribe but it appears that even the country girl is getting in his face and dropping the f bomb so I only see that behavior as strengthening the newly formed bond between Cochran and his new friends. Brandon seemed to fit right in to the role as protector and I wouldn't mind seeing a little bit of back and forth between him and Jim. As someone eloquently posted some time ago, Cochran is what I always hope to see on Survivor. Not a lingerie football player, model or wannabe actor/tress. I also didn't know you had to be a muscle head to win the game. The theme is Outwit Outplay Outlast not Overpower Overplay Overact. And, Ozzie was setting it up to make Cochran be the scapegoat. His plan was to make the other team think that Cochran found the idol, played the idol and turned on his team. Why would Cochran, who has been nothing but an albatross to his tribe, be ok with playing the role of being a sneaky traitor bad guy? I don't think Ozzie gave Cochran much of a choice.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:13 am
Brenda asked - way upthread or even in the achives - about Dawn and Ozzy having to draw if it came down to rocks. Since that question, I have seen several posts that indicate the posters think as I do that immunity means not only other people can't send you to RI, you can't send YOURSELF -
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:31 am
Add me to the list of those understanding why Cochran made the big move he did. It was just a couple of weeks ago that Ozzy asked Cochran how he spelled his name so Ozzy wouldn't spell it wrong when he voted him out. I don't know if Cochran will make it to the end, but at least now when he does go, he will be going out on his own terms and not voted out by his so-called "teammates" who have ostracized him since the beginning of the game. I'm also going to give props to Hantz for standing up to Jim when he was bullying Cochran.
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:40 am
I still don't understand the point of giving the idol to Whitney at tribal. It was a total waste. Whitney was not on anyone's radar. They should have assumed that the next strongest person on the team after Ozzy is Keith, and therefore Ozzy should have just given the idol to Keith. Any votes for Keith would have been discounted and Rick would have gone to Redemption. No revote, and no picking rocks. I don't get it.
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Whowhere
Member
07-16-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:40 am
And after Cochran wouldn't tell him how to spell his name he writes "Coc k-Train". I'd turn on him for that alone. LOL! Meanwhile, I'm riding on the Coch-Train full speed ahead! Wooo Woooooo!
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:44 am
For their stupidity of giving the idol to Whitney, I would like to see Ozzie go to Redemption next week and play against Keith.
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Konamouse
Member
07-15-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 7:09 am
Why did Cochran change his vote? IMHO: NO ONE wants to chance that damn rock. Rick & Keith, Dawn & Ozzie, Whitney would be immune. That really increases the risk of your own rock sending you to RI. Not good odds. Why did they target Rick? IMHO they were expecting the rock/tie-breaker and Rick would be immune, they wanted to "save" what they perceived to be a weaker player; and they didn't think Coach (they assume he has the idol) would think Rick was the target and thus wouldn't use it. Why did they give the idol to Whitney? IMHO: they used the same logic as above thinking the other team would target a weaker player...we didn't see Upolu telling Cochran who they were voting for...so we don't think there was any misdirection. They didn't think Upolu would target a strong player for the same reason Savaii didn't; the rock/tie-breaker makes the two votees safe (see above). IMHO: Using the idol so early was gutsy but definitely backfired. This is the first time we can remember the merge being so EVEN in strength and numbers. Dawn is vunerable available/for swinging; Sophie & Albert are tight and willing to break from Coach at the right moment. They won't take Brandon with them. Jim is a lose cannon. Rick & Edna are invisible right now. Whitney is lost without Keith and will hold tight to Ozzie now. Wonder what happened when Savaii found out the truth about Brandon's family hx.....they never showed that reaction.

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Holly
Member
07-21-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 7:09 am
Well he was obviously given false information, told by someone (Cochran, the puppet?) that Whitney was the target. Ozzy for the win.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 7:48 am
Perhaps Upolo hasn't told Savii about Brandon's father yet. Sorry, Brandon and Cochran - YUCK! "Come sit by me." Nauseating.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 8:01 am
Cochran owes no loyalty to Savii, none. As creepy as Brandon is, right now, I rather see him win over Ozzy, Keith, Jim, or Whitney. Ozzy has forgotten so quickly that his team went behind his back to vote out his hammock buddy, Elyse and Jim was the one that set that up. Jim was more cowardly in that instance than Cochran was last night, imo. These people have very selective memories.
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Loremma
Member
04-25-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 8:05 am
I think Cochran felt he had better odds with Coach's tribe because they didn't have the macho male players that he has on his tribe (Ozzy, Jim, Keith) who viewed him as a weak player. Coach's tribe has perceived weak players in Rick, Edna and Sophie so he's with like people. Dawn will switch with Cochran when it suits her. Cochran was always at the bottom of the tribe numbers wherever he is and this will shake up his tribe and hopefully they will focus on getting out the stronger players on Coach's tribe. Bottom line, Cochran switching his vote guaranteed himself 3 more days and in Survivor, that's all you can ask for. I wouldn't gamble on not getting the rock, either.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 8:43 am
Rvenge of the Nerds! What a great ep! Cochran's gutsy move showed balls. So much for his former bullyboy teammates thinking he was a wimp, haha. And as much as Brandon turns my stomach, I thought it was wonderful when he stood up to Jim (?) on Cochran's behalf, and told him off. As someone else said upthread, I dislike him slightly less now. (But just slightly.)
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Connies
Member
03-11-2010
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 8:46 am
I don't know if this is the appropriate place to post this, but I just read that Ethan's cancer is back. So sad.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 9:02 am
Ozzy is playing this game very poorly. His idiotic plan to go to RI instead of Cochran did his tribe in! Christine so hated her tribe and made it known. She would have been an ally to TeamOzzy. Instead they kept the "weakest" player eligible to continue to play the game and in fact he did continue to play and in turn screwed TeamOzzy. Serves them right LOL.
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Llkoolaid
Member
08-01-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 9:12 am
I detest Cochran, I don't even think Cockran now when I think his name, I think of the beetle. Big move , you just went from being 6th place in group of 6 to 7th place in a group of 7. You screwed over Dawn who was your friend, you screwed over Ozzy who saved your sorry ass, what did you get out of it. Well let's see, you went from people thinking you were useless, to people thinking you were useless and untrustworthy, glad you made this move on your own terms. Must add Keith is a bully, Ozzy is arrogant, and they deserved what they got. Cochran, has taken Johnny fairplay's a step up on the ladder for me. I don't think he made a big move, he made a stupid move.
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Llkoolaid
Member
08-01-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 9:15 am
I agree 100% Lilfair, it was so obvious Christine was theirs for the taking, this must be the year of the dummies.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 9:15 am
Time will tell.
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Sourweedjm
Member
04-06-2007
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 9:17 am
team cochran!!
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 9:20 am
I'm not a Cochran fan by any measure but his team really did have a bully vibe towards him and I don't blame him a bit for taking a chance with the other side. Based on the coming attractions it looks like his move may shake up the game instead of each tribe picking the other off.. which is boring. Also I agree with him not playing for rocks. The whole idea is stupid. I am not sure he would have moved this early had it not been about the rocks. There have been a few posts that Cochran and Edna as weak players will be players others will think about taking to the end and that would be a huge mistake because Cochran has just shown that he is only physically weak. Mentally he is playing the game for all he's worth. The real question is he smart enough to allow fences to mend with his own team. At some point one or more of them might need him and it might be advantageous to him as well. I do think he would swallow his pride and keep doing what he has to to Survive. As for Brandon, he may be a head case but the kid is otherwise fearless when he thinks he is right. You don't see that kind of commitment to one's ideals much these days.
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Tweety
Member
04-14-2003
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 9:24 am
Does the idol Ozzy played get re-hidden?
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Sourweedjm
Member
04-06-2007
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 9:38 am
great post gidget!
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 9:46 am
Ozzy explained his "logic" in using the immunity idol on Whitney. He thought Coach's team would force a tie. Knowing that whoever they voted for would not be drawing a rock, they would vote for a weak player so that the two strong male players would be pulling a rock from the bag. Actually, it kind of makes sense, except I think Ozzy overthought it. I think he should have just kept his idol. We were clearly shown Chochran telling Coach that Ozzy was going to give the idol to Whitney. We never saw Coach's team contemplating voting for Whitney. We did see Ozzy's team talking about who they thought wouldn't have the idol and hence voting for Cowboy. I agree Jimmer. Chochran's team, the guys, would never want him to win, so he didn't have their votes to lose. They treated him horribly and I'm glad he jumped ship.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 10:01 am
Very nice post, Gidget (and it is spot-on)
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 10:01 am
Ok...so let me get this right...if the second vote would have been a tie, as well, then Rick and Keith wouldn't have drawn rocks either?
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