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Alaginger
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - 7:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Taken from Jeff Probst's TWEET account at the end of this evening's show:
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For following me tonight, you are the first to hear that next week...we merge. So the winner of the duel goes back into the game.

Kookliebird
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - 9:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
But, then,
It seemed like Matt may not make it back in due to a foot injury.

Tiernet
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - 9:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tiernet a private message Print Post    
CBS Misdirection?

Bonbonlover
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - 10:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
I think they will merge and the winner of the RI duel will re-enter the game,. It is perfect time to re-enter after all. So the question is, does Matt or Sarita win the duel? If Matt does have a foot injury and is not able to beet Sarita then Sarita will re-enter... If Matt does win, he re-enters.

Alaginger
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Thursday, March 31, 2011 - 5:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Thanks to Survivor Fever for pics and transcript to next week's Survivor: Redemption Island:
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Transcript:

Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor...

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Matt [camera confessional]: I cut my foot pretty badly.

Probst: ...an injury hurts Matt's chances in the most important duel yet.

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Probst: The winner of today's duel will go back on the game.

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Probst: And Rob hears the three words that could put an end to his dominance.

Probst: We are merged.

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Phillip [camera confessional]: This is a whole new game. I can see paranoia getting to him.

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Rob [camera confessional]: I know they're coming after me.

Alaginger
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Thursday, March 31, 2011 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
If I have this figured out right:
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Right now there are 6 on Ometepe and 5 on Zapatera, and 2 at Redemption Island.

Last season the jury had 9 members (counting NaOnka and Kelly S.)

So ... I figure, Matt and Sarita will battle it out at RI. One of them will leave for good, the
other will go back to play (be redeemed) and that will make 12 players for what Jeff announces as
a merge (9 for the jury and 3 for the Final 3).

That also tells me that the challenge later will be for individual immunity.

Plus we know that Rooster and Rob both have hidden immunity idols.

After the challenge and the TC, somebody will be leaving for 1) Ponderosa to serve on the jury (which is what I think) or 2) Redemption Island to try to get the right to reenter the game.

In previous interviews with Jeff and Mark Burnett, they only mentioned one returning, so I have a feeling this next week, when somebody returns (either Sarita or Matt), that is going to be it for the Redemption Island part of this game, but I'm only speculating at this point.

Alaginger
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Thursday, March 31, 2011 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Jeff's Blog for the last episode:
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Thanks again to everybody that tweeted with me last night. If you’re still not on board, you should join us on Twitter at @JeffProbst. We’re having a fun conversation in ” the interactive living room” and a great shared experience.

Okay onto last night’s episode…

DAVID

I like David. He’s the kind of player I’d like to have on the show every season. He’s playing a long-term game and he’s willing to make big moves. He came to win, not make the jury.

I don’t have much time for people who are satisfied with making the jury. I’m not convinced Sarita wants to make it to the end. So far I haven’t seen the killer instinct. Maybe it will come out next week on Redemption Island. I had huge expectations for Sarita. I loved her in casting, but I really believe the game was much more than she anticipated and ultimately just too difficult. Now she faces an interesting dilemma. Does she give it her all and try to beat Matt or just throw in the towel and call it a day?

DUEL

What’s to say? Matt is unstoppable. Five straight duels without a loss. Our duels are scheduled long before we know who will be competing so whether it’s physical, mental or both, it has nothing to do with who is at Redemption Island. It’s just luck of the draw.

HOT DAYS

Watching this episode reminded me how damn hot it gets while shooting Survivor. Redemption Island was especially hot because there was absolutely no breeze. I always seem to sweat more than the Survivors and that’s annoying. I guess they acclimate since they are living in it, and maybe because they’re dehydrated most days, but I always notice when I’m the one dripping from the forehead and they’re not.

ROB

I continue to be impressed by Rob’s game play. Granted it’s his fourth time so he should have something figured out, but seven episodes in I think he has played as close to a perfect game as anyone ever has in our 22 season history.

He hasn’t missed a single opportunity to gain favor or advantage. He is squeezing every bit of juice out of every opportunity.

I’m going to take a moment for all the “Probst loves Rob” haters to scream at me… go ahead. Let it out. Let it breathe…

I like Rob. Always have. Going all the way back to Survivor: Marquesas when he told me after he was voted out, “Give me another shot. I’m not finished.” I liked him in All-Stars when he took advantage of Lex to keep Amber in the game and then asked Amber to marry him just before the reading of the votes, thus ensuring the million dollars would be his no matter what. I liked him in Heroes v Villains when he miraculously changed his stripes and went from the dark side to the light. Still not sure how that happened.

And yes… I still like him today.

ZAPATERA

While we’re shooting the show, I’m unaware of most of what goes on out on the beaches. I don’t know the nitty-gritty and truth be told I really don’t know all that much about how the individual players are playing the game. But when I get home and start watching the episodes, I’m no different than you guys – I find myself rooting for and against different players and different tribes. Right now, Zapatera is driving me nuts with their infighting and complaining. I know it must be frustrating to read this if you’re a Zapatera member but it’s really how I feel. I can’t take much more of their whiny-ass complaining.

Enough philosophical chats, for crying out loud. Do something. Change your fate.

I want someone to stand up and take control of the tribe and start leading them. Specifically…David. That’s who would get my vote for leader and the reason is I think he’s the only guy capable right now of making bold moves to get his tribe back on track. Ralph makes fun of him for being an attorney. The truth is, the guy is the only one right now who is looking at the “big picture” and is trying to right a quickly sinking ship.

Zapatera is a great example of the psychological phenomenon “groupthink.” In Zapatera, you have a group of people who are making decisions that match the group consensus but without ever truly evaluating the worth or long term effect of their decisions. They so desperately don’t want conflict that they get rid of anybody who doesn’t peacefully agree with the group. It’s not working. You have to have the balls to stand up and tell the Emperor that he’s naked! Zapatera is naked!

I think they made a great move in voting out Sarita and that may just be the first move in the right direction.

A FEW SPOONFULS OF RICE A DAY

The scene in which they debated about saving Rob some crispy rice was funny and caused great drama surrounding Phillip who was clearly picking a fight because once again he WANTED TO BE HEARD!

Beyond that though, it was a great visual reminder of how little they are living on every day. They are given a tin of rice on day one and told to ration it so it will last the entire time. They know from past seasons that if you run out, it will cost you something valuable to get more rice. So that is why they eat only a few spoonfuls each day.

ROB v PHILLIP

I love this ongoing love/hate, mentor/student relationship between Rob and Phillip because it highlights the truth about how we treat each other in our society. Age doesn’t mean a damn thing. Nobody respects you simply because you’re an elder. Should we respect our elders? Hell yes! Do we? Hell no.

We respect you if you’re powerful or rich or famous or hot or really good at sports, but age? Ha! You’re just an old dude whose ass I can kick, so get the F out of my way before I run you over with my Prius.

There is a guy at my gym, Abraham. He’s a very nice guy who fancies himself a comedian and as a result he is constantly spouting one-liners. All day, long. He’s a bit of a wordsmith, I’ll give him that. He has a turn of the phrase or a corny joke for every moment.

The truth is if he was a twenty-something I’d probably give him some attitude and tell him “not everything is an anecdote.” But Abraham, is in his 80’s and because of that, I have a different attitude about the whole thing. I listen and I laugh and I always appreciate that this man has lived a lot longer than me and if he wants to tell a few jokes we should all be happy that he’s still sharp enough to pull it off and support him.

But Survivor doesn’t care. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast. Being older on Survivor is rarely a plus but instead just a great reason to get rid of you. Is it fair? Doesn’t matter? Would I feel the same way if I was in the game and had some “old dude” slowing my tribe down? Probably. Then again, I’D be the old dude. Maybe that’s the real truth. I’m just channeling my own frustration that on Survivor, I’D BE THE OLD DUDE!

Survivor blogs. Humbling and cheaper than therapy.

CHALLENGE

This was without question one of the greatest challenges in recent Survivor history. We had all the elements. Great stakes – a helicopter ride and afternoon picnic. Great weather – pouring rain and deep mud. Great competition – it was back and forth until the last shot!

A massive effort by both groups. This challenge was no joke. Busting through the hay, crawling through the mud, climbing through the sticks, over the net craw and finally through an amazing “brick” wall. It was awesome.

INSIGHT

The brick wall was made out of wood and each brick was hand placed by our art department. It took hours to get the walls just right. We had to think long and hard before deciding to rehearse this challenge because of the amount of work required to set it up. I could see our art department team watching the rehearsal with equal amounts of excitement at watching their challenge play out and dread knowing they’d have to replace every.. single.. brick…brick-by-brick on the wall.

I loved this challenge. Look for it again next year.

When I see them at the end of a challenge like that, there is no question in my mind as to why so many of you want to play this game. It really is the ultimate adventure. A chance to test yourself on every single level.

REWARD

Another great moment in this episode. A helicopter ride is still a special treat for most people as it’s not something many of us ever get the chance to do. When you add in that you’re flying over and then landing on an active volcano it makes it all the more special.

This reminded me of the old days when we had enough time in our show to have some amazing rewards. Strategy has taken over the game and so now our time is limited and that’s why you see fewer epic rewards.

ROB OFFERS A CLUE TO THE GODS

Rob tossing the clue for the idol into the active volcano was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. All credit goes to Rob for that one. He could have just tossed it before getting back on the helicopter, but instead he saw the opportunity — ah forget it. Just refer back to my earlier comments about Rob.

SARITA HAD TO GO

Sarita, I know I have to see you at the live show so I hope you won’t be frustrated but this was the right move. Your heart wasn’t in it.

Unfortunately for Sarita, she doesn’t get to go home. Instead, it gets worse. She has to go to Redemption Island where the worst thing that could happen is that she beats Matt and has to stay in the game even longer.

Matt may have his easiest duel yet.

See ya next week!

Alaginger
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Thursday, March 31, 2011 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Wow --- the analyzers at Survivor Blows are at it again, and making some really good observations:
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Here is Matt, and a little bit of Sarita in the background) coming in for the RI challenge.
Notice that Matt is wearing his right tennis show, but seems to be carrying his left one in his hand. The analyzers say that this shows the foot is not comfortable with the shoe on.

Notice the two plateforms in the picture and compare to this previous challenge in another season that Coach won.
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If I remember right, that challenge is done better bare-footed cause the pegs get smaller as the competitors step down a bit. If Matt's cut if on top of his foot, or the heel, he should do fine in this challenge.

Juju2bigdog
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Thursday, March 31, 2011 - 10:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
I think they are just trying to ramp up the teeniest bit of drama with Matt's cut foot. How could he not win yet one more time against Sarita?

And now I can't remember where I saw it, but somebody on one of the boards or Twitters or whatever says there is a picture (or video) showing Matt with the merged team. Ginger will no doubt find this pretty soon and confirm.

Alaginger
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Friday, April 01, 2011 - 4:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
JuJu ... this is the video they are talking about.
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This is Matt, still wearing his Ometepe buff, with several snuffed torches laying up beside where he is giving a confessional after defeating "Stephenie" at RI. He still has Sarita to beat in order to return to the game, and when he does return (if he returns), there will be a merge and he will no longer be wearing the Ometepe buff. I'll go get the name of the new merged team and bring it over in the next post.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor/video/?pid=hawUIbTG3UVa9j7nGvGkM37M3Yj2_E9r

Alaginger
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Friday, April 01, 2011 - 4:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
CBS Misdirection Clues:
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CBS Press Release

The winner of the Redemption Island Duel reenters the game only to find themselves in the middle of a merge, ON "SURVIVOR: REDEMPTION ISLAND," WEDNESDAY, APRIL 6

"This Game Respects Big Moves" — The former tribes have big plans for one castaway who has the potential to change the game. Meanwhile, this same castaway grapples with the decision of whether to make the powerful move, on SURVIVOR: REDEMPTION ISLAND, Wednesday, April 6 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
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The merged tribe's name is suppose to be:
Murlonia

This was found on the call sheets that were accidently left in a hotel room after the filming of Survivor: Redemption Island which spoils the dates and the last 3 challenges, and from which spoilers can figure out certain information, but not who the Final Three are.

Also, posters seem to think that the above CBS Misdirection refers to Matt in the first part (they think he beats Sarita and returns to a merged tribe) and to Phillip in the second part "Making a Big Move".

Alaginger
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Friday, April 01, 2011 - 5:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Here's a little bit of the transcript that was taken from the confessional Matt made that I gave the link to above:
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I think this shows his frame of mind after defeating Stephenie, and where he thinks his loyalty lies.....

"I definitely think I'm gaining a lot of strategic points from everyone that comes to Redemption Island. Stephanie offered up a ton of info on her tribe that pretty much inside information."

"Judging by what she said about the people that they are, I think I'd like to stick with my own Ometepe tribe, but you can't judge a book by what just a few people say; you have to find out for yourself. She definitely provided me with some valuable information. From a strategy standpoint I feel like I'm probably in the best spot in the game, knowing pretty much what both sides are doing."


Merrysea
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Friday, April 01, 2011 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
How do they get from that video that Matt is with the merged tribe? He's still wearing his yellow buff, and there are only the five torches of the people he defeated there.

Alaginger
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Friday, April 01, 2011 - 1:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I couldn't find any other chatter, Merrysea, except about this video. If there was some other chatter that Juju saw, I have yet to stumble over it.

Will keep watching.......

Lexie_girl
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Friday, April 01, 2011 - 1:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Didn't Jeff say the winner of the next challenge would go back into the game at the merge? I know I heard it somewhere on the show, or read it in one of the many blogs for the show. Obviously, they can't keep Matt out on RI for the remainder of the game. I thought I heard or read somewhere that as soon as they merged, Matt would be brought back because now he gets to compete for individual immunity. With all that knowledge he has learned from RI, he could be a most dangerous yet valuable player.

Merrysea
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Friday, April 01, 2011 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
In the previews, Jeff said that the winner of the RI challenge will return to the game, and they are now merged (and it looked like everyone was at the challenge). It makes sense that it will be Matt - of all the people he faced, it would be surprising if Sarita beats him, but I suppose it could happen.

Lexie_girl
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Friday, April 01, 2011 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Oh okay.. I think I misunderstood you Merrysea. I thought you were questioning whether the winner of RI duel goes back into the game at the merge. Now I see you were questioning whether it was Matt who goes back into the game.

Kookliebird
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Friday, April 01, 2011 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Maybe I'm wrong, but it looked like all the tribe members were at the RI challenge. Unless I'm mistaken, wasn't that when Jeff said they are now merged?

I think it's Matt too.

Merrysea
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Friday, April 01, 2011 - 2:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I'm pretty sure it will be Matt; I was just saying that the video posted above was while he was still at Redemption Island, before the merge.

Alaginger
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Saturday, April 02, 2011 - 5:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Yes ...... to all the above (LOL)
1) Matt will compete against Sarita
2) Matt will probably win, but it's not a given, yet!
3) All the other players will be at the challenge, and they merge, with the winner joining them. In the pic, you can see they have brought their stuff with them.
4) When JuJu mentioned a video that was being talked about, I visited 3 other sites, and the only video I saw being talked about was the one I posted above. That video was definitely taken after Matt competed against Stephenie, and before he competed against Sarita. I did not see any other video showing Matt in with the merged tribes, and I did not see any other video being talked about over at Survivor Sucks, Survivor Blows, or Survivor Fever. If there is such a video, I could not find it.

Alaginger
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New Pictures up today:
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Notice both tribes are definitely at the RI challenge.

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Here is Matt and Sarita competing

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You are merging responses:

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Redemption Island starts again......
and the players all let out with a loud moan!

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Here you can see Rob and Rooster at the same location working on new shelter

Ginger: My speculation --- If Redemption Island starts again, I think next week will be a double boot. The other sites have been harping about a double boot for a long time now because since the call sheets at the end got left accidently in a hotel room, and the spoilers know the last 3 challenges and dates of them (but not who plays or wins), the mathematics figured out that there would have to be a double boot somewhere to make the numbers work out to fit the call sheets.

Jeff Probst said a long time ago they would not have double boots again, but they have had two individual immunity challenges with two TC's in one episode for the viewers before. So if there is a double boot next week, it could be a double boot or a double challenge/boot episode.

Pamy
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Saturday, April 02, 2011 - 7:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Im really loving the redemption island twist...not sure how I feel about it continuing now after the merge...Interesting and intriguing though. This has been my fav season in a long time!
Gooooo Rob Goooo Phil Gooooo Matt!!!!! my picks for final 3

Bidasea
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I sure hope you are right Pamy..But this season I don't really dislike any of them that much. It's been my favorite season in a long time too.

Biscottiii
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Ditto! I didn't expect to enjoy it so much with the Redemption Island twist (thinking it was just a gimmick to keep Russell/Rob in the game). But it's turned out to be fun. One of the best seasons IMO in a while!

Ark
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Saturday, April 02, 2011 - 6:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ark a private message Print Post    
This season has been so focused on Rob that I don't even know some of the players that are still there so I don't know if I like them or not.

Alaginger
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Thanks to Volcanic Glass, we have a picture of the individual immunity challenge for Episode 8:
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Here is the same picture, cut into two halves so you can see the detail better:

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1b

It's a matter of balance. Balance on a log. Balance of a ball on a tray. Two more balls waiting on the post in front of the competitor to be added to the tray as the challenge gets more difficult.

Posters at Survivor Blows point out that this challenge should favor one of the gals winning as they usually have more balance control than the guys. Phillip already appears to be struggling.

Neither Sarita or Matt are shown in the picture, so it does not tell us who won the RI challenge.

I thought it was odd that 4 of the old Ometepe tribe are standing side by side, and Rob is definitely on the other side of Mike and Steve.
Also, Andrea is not in the picture, but she could very well be to the right of Natalie. More than likely they drew for positions, and where Rob is competing doesn't mean a darn thing.

Alaginger
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Well, lookie here, lookie here....
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Hey Juju ... could this be the picture?

Survivor Phoenix has this picture and put it on Survivor Blows with a little note that says:
"I Spy"

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I do believe we see Matt working with the merged tribe on a new shelter!!!

WooHoo!!!

Scooterrific
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Monday, April 04, 2011 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
Question...how will they continue with Redemption Island...anyone know?

Lexie_girl
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Well, lookie here, lookie here....
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YAY for Matt going back into the game!! I love him (as well as Rob).

Tntitanfan
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I think - IF they continue with the RI theme - that it will work exactly as it does now. Maybe the person there would come back to be part of the final three?

Alaginger
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Monday, April 04, 2011 - 4:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
There is some speculation that the TC this time is going to be a double boot. If so, that would put two people at RI to battle it out at the beginning of next week's show. Then it would continue as has been, up until somebody is allowed to come back into the game. I'm surprised that RI is starting up again, because both Jeff and Mark Burnett said in pre-interviews that one survivor would return to the game. This sounds like it is going to happen twice, to me.

A double boot this week has not been announced, just speculated to make the numbers work out in the end, and to get RI up and running again.

Merrysea
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Monday, April 04, 2011 - 6:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
Maybe the person who "comes back" this time is fighting for a place on the jury, not for the prize money.

Alaginger
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Tuesday, April 05, 2011 - 5:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
The SOTS (State of the Spoiling) is up at Survivor Blows, done this week by CTGirl.
Her take on the analysis done from pictures and clues is:
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Matt wins the RI Challenge (supported by the picture we just saw posted above)
No guess on who wins the II challenge. It favors somebody with balance and control ..... maybe one of the gals, like Natalie
CTGirl has picked Mike as getting the boot as he is the strongest competitor on Zapatera to the eyes of the Ometepe group.

There is a picture of a handshake with Rob seen squatting on the beach up against a large rock, but the person on the other end of the handshake is blocked out. The posters at Survivor Blows did a neat analysis of the hands of the men, and have decided it is Matt......so that tells us that Matt returns and remains loyal (at least for awhile) to the Ometepe tribe.

CTGirl did not mention that Rooster and Rob both still have hidden Immunity idols, and she did not suggest a double boot.