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Alaginger
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Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Need to go ahead and get this started, cause I'm pretty well tied up tomorrow most of the day:
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Thanks to Survivor Phoenix:

Picture of Episode 9 TC:
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Back Row: Fabio, Sash, Benry, Marty, and Chase
Front Row: Dan, NaOnka, Brenda, Jane, Holly and Kelly.

Per Missyae: This is the episode where Marty gets the boot, and Brenda wins immunity. You can hardly see her wearing the necklace, but you can most definitely see nobody else wearing it.

Alaginger
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Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 5:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Thanks to Survivor Fever, pics and transcript:
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Transcript:

Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor...

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Sash [talking to Brenda]: It should really be you and me running the show.

Probst: Sash and Brenda struggle to hold onto power.

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Brenda [camera confessional]: People need to remember where their place is.

Probst: And at Tribal Council...

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Naonka [at Tribal Council]: I could see through Marty.

Fabio: Like Marty said, we just...

Naonka: Fabio, wait a minute.

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Fabio: This is crazy.

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[Naonka displays middle finger]

Probst: Naonka lets her freak flag fly.

Alaginger
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Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 5:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
SquidProQuo, over at Survivor Blows, did a good job of transcribing the voting booth confessionals, so here it is:
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"Ep 8 Insider Clips"
Voting Clip:

Jane (Marty): I hope everybody is smart tonight.

Dan (Alina): Says nothing.

Nay (Alina): I can't believe you just threw me under the bus (rolls eyes) and I just tried to save your butt.

Marty (Alina): You can't lie and steal and expect to stay around in this game.

Purple Kelly (Alina): I'm afraid your scheming is going to turn around and bite me in the butt.

Chase (Alina): Ummm, last supper. Appreciate the catfish. (Says something else brief like "see you around" that I can't quite hear.)

Alina (Marty): It's either you or me tonight, so let the best argument win.

Fabio (Alina): Says nothing but makes a funny face/hand gesture like what's going on.

Brenda (Alina): You did this entirely to yourself. Nobody wants to play with you.

Ben (Alina): You are a 100% grade-A dirt squirrel and it's time for you to go home. (Then makes rodent-like noise)

Holly (Alina): The whole food thing just didn't jibe with me.

Sash (Alina): You betrayed me at the beginning of this game, so now you have to go home.

Alaginger
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Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 5:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
SquidProQuo also did some transcripts of scenes that got left out of last-night's show. Some interesting stuff in there:
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1. "RE: Ep 8 Insider Clips"
Here are a few of the more interesting clips:

Very telling clip of Brenda talking about how she feels she's one of the smartest players in the game and has aligned herself with the other smartest player, Sash. She feels she can beat anyone out there and assesses those players that she feels are most likely to get to the end with her:

- Sash: She says he's "too diplomatic" and too routine in his rapport with people. (This doesn't necessarily sound like a flaw to me!)

- Nay: She says that Nay is doing a lot of immature and unnecessary things and she doesn't think the jury will reward that kind of play.

- Chase: She says he's a "ball of paranoia" and has no control and that they have to constantly reassure him so he feels like he has control.

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Interesting clip of Sash talking about how "there's no doubt I'm the most popular player." He says everyone shares info with him since they like him and therefore he's a great position.

He says the #1 thing on his mind right now is jury management. He wants people to like him, and he's all about boosting others' egos and making people think they're in control.

He says that the strongest, physical players will most likely get weeded out first. So he has a great shot at making it to the end since he's the skinniest guy.

He says "at the moment" he's still sticking by his minority alliance, but it's an individual game now and he'll do what it takes to get to the end.

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Scene where Marty warns Sash about Jane and says he warned Brenda too. Sash appeases Marty by telling him "he's fine with cutting Jane loose."

Then there's a confessional where Sash says that Jane's not a serious threat and that Marty has a personal vendetta against her. But Sash also says that he realizes Marty is smart and playing the game hard, and "as soon as I see someone strategizing to the same level that I am, it's time to cut them loose." (Meaning Marty)

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Holly says that personally, she thinks Marty is a much bigger threat and she's rather see him go 1st before Alina. She says that Alina is a hard worker and she doesn't see why the younger kids think she is a threat. She says something must have happened earlier in the game. She also says that Nay was the instigator in the food stealing incident, and that it wasn't Alina's fault.

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Fabio talks about how he's hung over because he got drunk at the merge feast and evidently peed on a wood pile. He says that "last night was a blur" and he hopes he didn't say something embarrassing. But he's not upset about it, because even though it's a game for $1 million, he wants to have fun. He's "stoked" about the merge feast, because it will be a great memory that he'll have for the rest of his life.

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In the deleted scene on EW, Nay talks about how "people forget this is a game, not real life." She says that people like Marty, Fabio and Ben got all upset about the food stealing thing, but they need to realize that everyone lies and it's just a game. She says she's over it.

Nay also says that there are times when she wants to leave the game and eat, but she doesn't want to let herself or her family down.

She says she can beat everyone "hands down."

Alaginger
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Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 5:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Jeff's Blog for the Week:
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Things That Are Awesome!

I finally figured out Naonka. At last. After 7 weeks, it all makes sense now.

More on that later. But first…

THE MERGE
Every season we look for new ways to merge the tribe. After 21 seasons I’m the first to admit that coming up with fresh twists or new wrinkles in the game is one of our biggest challenges. We spend a lot of time talking, brainstorming – searching for those new little moments.

Since the contestants can always sense when the merge is coming, all we can really do with the merge is try our best to find a clever way to reveal it.

Using the combination of key and chest was a nice new twist. Nothing earth-shattering but it lets the tribe know they are merging and yet still carries a bit of mystery. What is the purpose of the key? What’s in the box? In this case it opened a chest containing a merge feast along with their new buffs. Which brings up another question…

Why do we give them food at the merge? Why do we give them food at all? Why not just let them find their own food.

We give them food because they need it… they deserve it… and most importantly, it’s good for morale. When the contestants become too dehydrated or too hungry or too depleted overall, their morale drops and the game suffers. That’s not good for us or them.

Trust me, you can give them all the food you want, so long as it only lasts for a few hours or even a day or two, it doesn’t make much difference. The amount of calories they are living on is minuscule. Typically, a few spoonfuls of rice. Not much.

The merge itself represents a turning point in the game. The merge is a reset. The impact of the merge has changed over the many years Survivor has been played.

Initially, the merge signaled the beginning of the individual portion of the game. You would compete in individual challenges for individual rewards. If you were good you could win your way to the end and nothing could stop you. But as alliances began to take hold, the merge began to morph into something else. Now you needed the “numbers” in order to stay strong.

When the hidden immunity idol was introduced, the impact of the merge shifted again. Now if you had the numbers and an “idol” you had a very good shot of getting very deep into the game. It’s part of what makes Survivor fun, it is always evolving.

IMMUNITY CHALLENGE
I’m so proud to tell you that the Immunity Challenge was created by Edwin Davis. Edwin has been on our show for years. He started as a Dreamteamer, testing the challenges. He was a very nice kid. He was heavy. He was a little shy. He spoke very little English. Over the years, Edwin has changed quite a bit. He has leaned out and gotten very healthy. The dude is a stud. His English is fantastic and from a career point of view, he has moved up the ranks and is now creating challenges!! The career opportunities that exist on Survivor are one of the greatest aspects of being a part of the show. We have so many young people that have started as Dreamteamers and are now full-fledged crew members. Last count, 10% of our entire crew was made up of former Dreamteamers. Awesome. I love seeing young people bloom.

JANE
Speaking of blooming… are you falling in love with Jane the same way I am? I like it all – from the comment about her shotgun…

Jane: I’ve got dogs that live in the yard. I feel very safe…. Plus I’ve got a shotgun.

…to how she trained for the show by running the stairs at her house… to doing P90X. Have you ever done P90X? Killer work out. It will kick your ass for sure and you can do it from home with only a few bands. I’m not preaching but your body is your temple. You wanna live a long life, you have to take care of yourself.

Okay, back to Jane. Her effort at the immunity challenge was one of the most inspirational and impressive things this season. I think had we continued she would have defeated Fabio, too!

Jane has lived a hard life. It shows in her face. At times it shows in her attitude. But if you want somebody in that foxhole with you, Jane’s not a bad choice.

Marty is hollering that they should vote her out, but nobody is listening. He’s right. If “the little old lady from North Carolina” gets to the end, she has a very good shot at winning. Marty’s problem is… he is always hollering.

NAONKA NAONKA NAONKA…
Okay as I said earlier, I’ve figured out Naonka. I’m no longer surprised by anything Naonka says or does… because… did I say this already…? I finally figured her out! Eureka!

Are you ready…? Here it is…

From a maturity point of view, Naonka is a seven-year-old. That’s it. That’s my big discovery.

When dealing with Naonka you simply have to treat her as you would a first-grader. Think about it. She’s selfish. She’s a know-it-all. She’s defiant. She’s a rule tester. She denies everything and only apologizes when she is actually caught doing something. She behaves in every conceivable way as though she were seven years old.

That’s why, at the end of the day, people like Brenda can still find her a little charming. They see her like I do, like a small child. Who can be mad at a small child? It’s not the most flattering thing to say about a twenty-something, but I do believe it’s true. I’m not defending her actions – not at all – but it does make it easier for me to relate to her at tribal council.

Even I have to admit…stealing the food was one of the most brazen things I’ve ever seen on our show. Outright crazy until you remember, she’s only seven.

MASLOW’S HIERARCHY OF NEEDS EXPLAINS ALINA’S BEHAVIOR
At first glance you could say that Alina made a bad move taking part in Naonka’s stealing of food, because it made it so easy to justify voting her out. But was it anything more than basic human nature? Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs lists Physiological Needs (which includes food) as our most basic need. You get really hungry and you’ll do pretty much anything to get some food. At the lower end of the Hierarchy of Needs list is “Esteem” which includes… respect of others (which relates directly to Survivor.) In other words, when you’re really hungry, food will blind you to common sense and next thing you know you’re stealing food even though your subconscious knows there is a consequence waiting for you just around the corner. Alina’s not dumb. She knew she would pay for that action. Her hunger just won out.

My take on Alina: She’s much sharper than most women her age. She’s a player for sure and a good player. Did Alina act shady? No more than anybody else who has ever played Survivor. She was just playing the game. Everybody has a strategy. Everybody is “playing the game.”

It’s a fascinating facet of humans. Our ability to judge others for doing the same thing we would do in the same situation. All of these knuckleheads are playing the game, but when anybody else does it – they’re shady. By the way, I looked up “dirt squirrel,” which is what Benry called Alina when he voted for her – not a very nice term and not sure what it has to do with Survivor. Either way, Alina is gone.

But the craziest thing of this episode…..?

Naonka is still in the game!!!! Could Naonka make it to the end? Time will tell.

See ya next week.

Catfat
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Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
Naonka lies, steals, pushes around a one-legged girl, throws a bird, bad-mouths everyone---I would say this is the behavior of a street thug. Certainly not a school teacher.
I do not see her as a cute 7-year-old.

Costacat
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Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 6:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
NaOnka has an ego that is enormous. And it is totally unjustified. I do not find her attractive at all, and now that we've seen what she's capable of doing (without regrets), she's even uglier. Street thug is a good analogy.

Pamy
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Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 9:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
according to her FB page she is only a teacher at YMCA, so at least she isnt a school district teacher and I hope the Y looks closely at her behavior to make sure she isnt like this with the kids

Biscottiii
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Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 10:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Bingo Pamy! Glad to hear she's not a fulltime teacher!

Alaginger
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And here are the CBS misdirections for the week:
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INSECURITIES ARISE AND ALLIANCES ARE QUESTIONED AFTER A CASTAWAY IS FORCED TO MAKE A TOUGH DECISION, ON "SURVIVOR: NICARAGUA," WEDNESDAY, NOV. 10

"Running the Camp" — One castaway makes a difficult decision that backfires, allowing another castaway the opportunity to devise a strategy to flush out the hidden immunity idol and blindside a rival, on SURVIVOR: NICARAGUA, Wednesday, Nov. 10 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Alaginger
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Friday, November 05, 2010 - 4:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Thanks to Survivor Fever for more pics and transcript:
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Transcript:

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Jane: There's only one really evil person in this game right now and that's Marty.

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Announcer: The country girl takes on the city slicker.

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Marty : Everybody underestimates how dangerous Jane is in this game.

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Jane: He knows there's a noose around his neck and he's gonna be hung.

Announcer: And...

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Jeff Probst : Go!

Announcer: The men battle the women in a crushing, knockdown, breakthrough challenge.

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Ginger: It's obvious that this is an (obstacle course) Reward Challenge since it is the girls against the boys, with Chase sitting out.
If the pics were in sequence we could definitely say the boys win, as they are pushing through the wall before the girls even get there, but there is no guarantee that these pics were given to us in sequence.........so, right now, not sure who wins or what the reward is.

Reader234
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Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 8:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
never mind


this is what missyae posted on another thread here reguarding this preview: "Nice video, I think they managed to show all the different legs of it. I wonder why they are just basically spoiling everything themselves now? "





Alaginger
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Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Yes, I saw that over at Survivor Sucks, Reader...
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The funny thing is that we have had video pics and transcripts for as far back as I can remember, and before spoilers that had the "in" gave us factual spoilers, most of the spoilers at the other sites were trying to analyze those pics and transcripts and make decent spoiler speculations. That's what I started bringing over here a long time ago from Survivor Fever, Survivor Blows, TDT, Survivor Phoenix, and Survivor Skills. I usually did not go to Survivor Sucks because of the foul language, and most stuff worth reading there would show up cut and pasted at Survivor Blows anyway, and then I could bring it over here.

So ....... I'm surprised that Missyae is saying that the pics are CBS now spoiling their own show, when those things have been around for years. Many, many, many times those pics were misleading and we would be had (LOL). Almost all of Missyae's spoiling has been right on the spot, so it has been from a reliable source, and not from figuring out pics and transcripts.

Alaginger
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Monday, November 08, 2010 - 6:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Found this over at Survivor Blows this morning:
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More from Missyae today (11/7):

Chase will not share in the reward this week which is often listed as 'American as'.
ROCKS - 3 COLORS - 2 TEAMS -

Ginger: So, Chase gets a "sit out colored rock" and no reward, and it must just be pure coincidence that the 2 teams wind up boys against the girls.

Be interesting to see if they show the difference in strategy from the 2 power players this week. They had different ideas on who should have been booted this week. One leaned towards Jane, one leaned towards Marty.

Poster asked: Reward is apple pie?
Missyae reply: B I N G O

In response to a question about Yve and Tyrone not getting along at LL:

They play board games at Ponderosa. Tyronne made some uncalled for remarks aimed at Yve while playing one of those board games. Then stood over her as if to dare her to speak back to him, intimidating her. Everyone just 'let it go' for the time being. Maybe on the finale his actions will be called out.

Sash won the power struggle. Brenda preferred Jane leaving next.
Ginger: I find this odd, since Brenda was always on Jane's band wagon, and supposedly they had promised her that she would outlast Marty.
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So summarizing the show:

R/C - obstacle course
Chase sits out
Reward is "Apple Pie"

IC - Missyae has hinted it has something to do with "Memory" and similar to something done in the past. We have had several challenges over the years that do with "Memory", so until pics show up (if at all), no clue to what the challenge is.

IC Winner - Brenda

Boot - Marty

Juju2bigdog
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Monday, November 08, 2010 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Ginger. Should be a good show if boot is as predicted.

Costacat
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Monday, November 08, 2010 - 4:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Me, I'm waiting for the next three after this one... :-)

Alaginger
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Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 1:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Final confirmation on which team wins the Reward Challenge, per Missyae:
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The men do, indeed, win that challenge.