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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 1:04 pm
I'd like to know that too Jimmer... what was so cowardly?
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 1:08 pm
Keith, Jim already back stabbed Ozzy by voting out Elyse. Remember the total meltdown and stomping of ozzy's feet when that happened. Keith and Jim were cowards then by not telling Ozzy we are voting off your gf, Elyse. They blindsided Ozzy. This game is a social one and not just a physical one. There were 3 chances to vote out Cochran and at each venture they decided to keep Cochran because they thought he was expendable at any time and that he would never win a challenge. And as someone mentioned up thread if there is a puzzle challenge or a memory challenge Cochran has a fair chance at winning those. Team Ozzy created their own monster in Cochran and now they have to deal with it. The term don't burn bridges is absolutely apropos in this game. TeamOzzy burned the Cochran bridge a long time ago. TeamCoach is playing Cochran too but in a subtle way. So when it comes to the final vote I bet Cochran will vote for anyone on TeamCoach before he'd vote for anyone of the people that were outright mean to him from TeamOzzy.
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Lostfan
Member
03-10-2010
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 1:16 pm
also from the same interview with Jeff that Cinnamon posted- Jeff: re Cochran - For the life of me, I cannot find any strategic advantage to switching sides at this point other than avoiding the colored rock. Obviously, the colored rock exists as a game of chicken to see if anyone blinks first, so I ask you: Would you ever in a million years change your vote to avoid it? And is it indeed an act of cowardice to do so?
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 1:21 pm
Why did Ozzy think saving Cochran and going to RI and beating out Christine (who hated her team for voting her to RI and would have likely joined Ozzy's team at the merge) was a good move for them? I haven't watched thoroughly so am truly asking because I don't get it. Thanks.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 1:23 pm
Jeff's comments. "I cannot find any strategic advantage to switching sides at this point other than avoiding the colored rock." "At that point in the game I am not going to draw rocks. This is a zero sum game which means there is only one winner. I’m not drawing a f—ing rock this early in the game. Too many moves left to make. I like Cochran’s move." Which is what Cochran did!
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 1:36 pm
Each season I like Jeff less and less. Seriously, Jeff, you can't see any strategic advantage to switching sides??? Besides the rock thing how about no longer wanting to play with people that dislike you or belittle you? Is that a good enough reason, Jeff? I have a feeling Jeff's never been on the hurtful side of bullying. He knows he was 100% on the bottom of TeamOzzy and he had nothing to lose switching sides. If he's 6th or 7th it doesn't matter but now has a chance to maneuver within TeamCoach . So his strategic advantage to switching sides was simply having a chance.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 2:17 pm
I agree. 6th or 7th doesn't matter. In fact, too many Survivor players seem to end up playing for their "team" and are seemingly happy to act as supporting players. It was obvious that he was going nowhere with Team Ozzy as they already had formed some firm opinions (negative ones) about his value as a player. At least he has a shot with Coach's team. And he is making a difference in the game rather than being a peripheral player.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 2:17 pm
Plus it shakes things up for us viewers. How considerate 
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 2:19 pm
Brenda, it was pretty clear to me that everyone but Ozzy, Dawn, Keith and Rick would have to draw rocks. And I agree with you that is one of the reasons why Dawn didn't switch with Cochran - she knew she was safe regardless if it came to drawing rocks.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 2:23 pm
I agree Jimmer. And Jeff contradicts himself. Says no way he'd draw a rock, but implies Cochran wasn't being strategic in not drawing rocks. Cochran had no chance of moving up on his tribe. He knew that. the other tribe is an unknown so he gambled. I agree with scooter-- at least this makes it more interesting for *us*.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 2:39 pm
Cochran was bullied by everyone EVERYONE on his team, and when he deserted them, they called him a coward. How much longer was he expected to stick around and be savaged? Lord of the Flies all over again. Good for Brandon, he stood up to the bullies and defended a less-than-wonderful player.
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Hwy1diva
Member
05-10-2011
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 3:24 pm
Good for Cochran to stand up and change sides. His team has bullied him and treated him terrible. What does his team think? That you can continue to beat someone down and still expect them to remain loyal to you? Really they must be nuts. I say "go Cochran" may the bridges he burn light his way to victory.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 3:39 pm
I don't think Cochran is a coward. The whole thing about breaking a tie with choosing a black rock is what caused the problem. Somebody had to stick their neck out. This time it was Cochran.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 4:58 pm
I think Cochran made the show interesting. Poor Benjamin and Oz thought they were directing this show. ha
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Holly
Member
07-21-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 5:08 pm
Sadly, Benjamin and Ozzy are directing the show.
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Mimi
Member
04-30-2009
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:01 pm
I don't really like nor dislike Cochran but I still haven't read anything that explains why this was cowardly. I hate bullies and his team was full of bullies. There is no way I would have sat there and let them speak to me like that so I would have been voted out early so his keeping quiet kept him in the game. They only wanted him for the numbers. They reaped what they sewed. He may not go much farther in the game but at least he didn't do their bidding. Kudos to Brandon for sticking up for Cochran and hitting the nail on the head!
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:30 pm
I think all the "cowardly" comments about Cochran have to do with him being unwilling to take the "black rock" risk instead of sellng out his teammates. I am NOT saying that he shouldn't have flipped - just that I think that was what engendered the "cowardly" accusations.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:36 pm
From my fav exit interview site: Exclusive: Christine Shields Markoski talks 'Survivor: South Pacific' http://realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-christine-shields-markoski-talks-survivor-south-pacific--12844.php
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:41 pm
Here's Dalton Ross's explanation of why Cochran's move was cowardly:
quote:Jim was right. John is a coward. I’m not saying this to mean. It’s just the truth in this instance. It would be nice to pretend that this was about John finally fighting back against the bullies that had tormented him over and over again. Hell, I know what that's like. I’m so scrawny and weak that growing up people used to call me “The Ethiopian Poster Child,” which was both humiliating and wildly offensive. But John was never really tormented. In fact they kept him around even when he kept screwing them up in challenges. No, John was just scared. He was scared of pulling a colored rock. Don’t take my word for it; he said it himself several times. In a game of who blinks first, the neurotic nerd unfortunately had to play right into the stereotype and blink. And now he goes from being in 5th or 6th place in his own alliance to 7th place in a pre-existing one. Make no mistake, this was no strategic masterstroke or brilliant backstab. It was fear.
Entertainment Weekly
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:42 pm
for entirely different reasons than those that jim thought that he was a coward, i, too think he is a coward. if he is going to make a move, so be it. However, to have to "seek protection" is a bit cowardly in my book. Pathetic. And, no, I don't want Ozzy to win. I want Dawn or Sophie to win.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 6:59 pm
And both Cochran and Hantz 2.0 have issues with women: Hantz thinks they are there to tempt him while Cochran has twice called a woman on his tribe a "stupid b**ch" (different women each time, so at some point Cochran might want to ask himself whether it's the women or himself). Those two are like a match made in misogynist heaven.
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Starr
Member
07-09-2005
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 7:25 pm
Shenanagon - > Why did Ozzy think saving Cochran and going to RI and beating out Christine (who hated her team for voting her to RI and would have likely joined Ozzy's team at the merge) was a good move for them? From my understanding, it was purely about numbers. They thought for sure Christine would go back to her team, giving them the advantage (7 to 6) after the merge.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 7:45 pm
Being concerned (I'll use concerned rather than scared) about pulling a black rock doesn't make Cochran a coward. And going from 6th to 7th is a negligible difference. The easy (I'll use easy rather than cowardly) thing to do in that situation would have been to vote with his former tribe. The tough (courageous) thing was switching sides.
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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 8:22 pm
Yay for Cochran. Sorry to see Christine go.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 8:49 pm
The thing is that Cochran might have been willing to take the risk for people who treated him decently. If you are going to put your game life on the line for a group, you at least should feel a part of that group.
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