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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 7:53 am
The only problem with Matt being there at the end is that he has in absolutely no way outwitted anyone.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 8:14 am
Does anyone else think the final twist in the game will be the last person standing at Redemption Island will automatically be in the final three? Yes, I always thought it would be like double elimination when playing softball or baseball. If you made it through RI to the end, you were in the final 3.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 8:20 am
No, not a seat at the final 3 because they didn't have to play the social game and they made friends with the jury while the players still IN the game did not have that prerogative.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 8:26 am
You have a valid point there, Jimmer. But I wouldn't mind Matt getting into the finals if he manages to last that long. He's had to win or place every challenge by himself rather than coasting with the assistance of a tribe through the first weeks of the game. The Redemption Island twist was created with no homage to "outwitting." If you get there at all, you have been outwitted to some degree or another. So it's kind of even-steven for everyone who has that chance to go back in the game. The jury will have the chance to judge whether his "outplay" and "outlast" performances can overcome the lack of "outwit," if he makes it that far.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 8:31 am
I hope whoever sits across from Matt is smart enough to point out that he didn't outplay or outwit -- he only outlasted. If they bring someone back from RI with a guaranteed spot in the finals, I think that will stink. They should come back and have to survive at least one vote out.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 8:35 am
That is a fair point, GAL. Winning Survivor has always been a measure of the success a player has in achieving those three goals and I guess it would and should ultimately be up to the jury to decided if his strength in the other two areas is enough to more than off-set his weakness in the outwit aspect of the game. It just seems to me though that the Survivor producers have eliminated a key element of the game (outwit) if a player can make it to the end solely through his skill at challenges, particularly since Matt was the very first person eliminated by his tribe. ETA: I was wrong. Francesca was the first voted off (LOL - How could I forget Phil and that tribal council). Matt was second voted off and completely blindsided. And then Matt was first voted off again, once he returned to the game. So Matt has been voted off twice.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 8:40 am
Matt also has the added benefit of never having voted out a single person on that jury.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 8:41 am
BTW, Mike giving away love last night had to be the most bone-headed move since Eric gave away his immunity to the girls a few seasons back.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 8:57 am
If Rob makes it to the final, I hope he wins! He impressed me last night!
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 9:12 am
The thing about Redemption Island is, it was planned out before the season started, with no way of knowing someone was going to last for so long. Plus, at this point, Matt has not been winning each "dual." If Ralph happens to be the last person standing at Redemption Island, does he deserve a spot in the final three? I don't think he has done anything to deserve that.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 9:12 am
Initially I was intrigued by the whole RI notion.. but I think they have overplayed it. Once Matt was allowed back in the game RI should have stopped... he should not have been given a 2nd chance at Redemption.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 9:15 am
Plus, at this point, Matt has not been winning each "dual." Merry, I'm confused by your comment. Matt has won every dual with the exception of last night where Mike won and Matt came in second.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 9:19 am
I thought he came in second on a couple of others? Not that it mattered. LOL - It seems almost impossible to eliminate people from this show at this point.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 9:21 am
Yes, Matt also came in second on the card-stacking dual. So he would have been out a few weeks ago if only the winner got to stay.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 9:24 am
Ralph also said last night that if a Zapatera member made it to the final three, they would automatically win. I could accept that under normal Survivor rules, because they would have really had to fight to get there. With the RI twist, neither of the two remaining Zap members deserves the win, IMO.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 9:25 am
I hope the powers that be are listening to our comments. I think RI needs some fine tuning. Yes, if Ralph were to get back in with a guaranteed final spot simply because he was on RI I think people would be upset. Also RI was supposed to be isolating, now it's just a mini tribe of 2-3 people. I like how it worked in the beginning, but I think they've dragged it on too long.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 9:25 am
Well, we know he won the RI duals from Francesca through Sarita (and that is 6 right there). I'm going to have to go and check back on the last two challenges. I remember the tile stacking challenge, but dont remember if David or Julie went home that week.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 9:30 am
Lexie, that was the week David went home.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 9:31 am
Okay, I checked two weeks ago. Matt won the tile-stacking dual which knocked David out and made him first member of jury - giving Matt 7th RI win in a row. I can't find out much about last week's challenge because Videomic wasn't here to spoil.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 9:58 am
I strongly do not want the final RI person to make it automatically into the finals. They have to compete and risk being sent to the jury once they are back in the game! If it happens any other way, I'm going to be very upset! I think Mike's decision was smart. Yes, he risks Ralph's vote in the end, if Mike makes it to the finals. I think he knew Matt would not vote out of spite if Matt gets onto the jury. Mike may have actually felt that was what Jesus would do. But even if he didn't, it helps to get Matt's vote. So, if Mike makes it to the finals, I see Mike's move as possibly risking only one vote (Ralph's) and possibly gaining some Ometempe votes once those tribe members are sitting on the jury. Most or all of the winners of Survivor have won because they were well liked. Mike is pretty smart and sensible. If he understands the game (and I believe he does) and has watched previous seasons, he knows this. The former Ometempes that are on the jury are all going to be freshly smarting from being blind sided. I think Mike made the best, smartest choice in this situation. Wow what a performance by Rob! I too was worried he was going to topple down those stairs! I'm so glad he is ok. The more time goes on, the more I'm rooting for Rob. I agree with whoever posted that he has to win every challenge now or he's at a huge risk to be voted out. (every challenge except one, where he can use his HII) I also agree that voting Andrea out was obvious. Especially since she performed so well in that terribly hard challenge. Amazing to see Rob crawling up those steps with his last board and Grant running up them with his last board.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 10:03 am
I checked on TWOP and it was the shuffleboard-type challenge where you slid your disk into a colored portion of the board.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 10:07 am
Wasn't it funny when one of the guys on RI said something about them all being Zaps (including Matt)!?
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Lostfan
Member
03-10-2010
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 10:11 am
I do not think Mike made the best move by giving the reward to the tribe .... they would vote him back out in a heartbeat if he made it back in .... that move did NOTHING for him. They turned on Matt the 2nd time, they would do it again to mike. And YES Matt does desrve a spot in F3 if he makes it back in. He has had the most touphest spot out there. No allies, no other pserson to talk to for the majority of the time. ANd he has had to outlast everyone who was sent to RI. It wasnt his choice to ad the RI to the game. He had to do what was delt him and he more then fullfilled it. I just hope the tribe gets a darn clue and 1st chance they get to vote out Rob. Go Matt, I hope he makes it all the way. and wins at the end.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 10:15 am
And YES Matt does desrve a spot in F3 if he makes it back in. Does Mike deserve that spot? Does Ralph? How about Andrea? What if Ashley is voted out next - does she deserve a spot in the final three?
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 10:25 am
A 4th or 5th place, not an automatic 3rd. You might as well hand them the title, if you allow them to re-enter at 3rd, as they are the final 3 with a 9 member jury.
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