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Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 11:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
WRT the 'self-victimization' of Cochran, I think a LOT of it is prompted by the camera crew, same as what is done in the Confessional clips. Camera crew ASKING:

What do you feel?
What are you thinking at this moment in time?

We never hear the camera crew asking. But I don't think the Survivors are merely offering up their 'takes' on the situation, they're responding to the questions. At the same time, the camera crew knows that they have to supply film for editing. Wouldn't do to have Cochran simply walking up to Ponderosa only looking despondent and fearful, they need dialog.

Same as I feel the baby piglet scene was rigged. So Cochran missed out on his 'loved ones' chance, found a baby piglet without its mom so he sends it running out (by itself) into the forest to be eaten by wolves? Gimme a break! Still, it makes for good edit.

As far as Cochran sitting by himself at the table, I have no doubt his former teammates chose NOT to sit with him, it's a big table. Last time we saw that was when Russell was left sitting by himself at the end of the table - Natalie was incircled & eating with all the other Jurors. Yep, she won.

ETA: I bet the villager that rented out the baby piglet was standing behind the bushes to recapture it once it had been (choreographically) released.

Egbok
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07-13-2000

Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 11:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Egbok a private message Print Post    
Biscottiii, I'm glad you brought up the piglet. I was worried for the little fellow. I'm sure this was a CBS rigged filming too and the piglet is probably fat and happy today.


Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 12:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Yeah Egbok. If Cochran is such a lover of animals (& I think he is) I have no doubt he wouldn't agree to such a scheme if he didn't think Piglet would be safe. Hey, it was such a SWEET little piglet too.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 10:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
It was much too clean to have been a wild piglet. Even if it didn't have mud to roll around in, it would have been covered with little twigs and leaves. Little piggies love to roll around.

Jackie2850
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10-28-2010

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jackie2850 a private message Print Post    
Cochran's former tribe treated him well. They got rid of Ozzy's girlfriend, instead of Cochran. The sided with Cochran in most every instance, even with Ozzy going to Redemption instead of Cochran. Which was their biggest mistake! They should have realized that she didn't like her former tribe, and would be on theirs. Cochran's problem is that everyone on the old tribe fell for his ga-ga. It worked so well, that he thought the new tribe would fall for it too. In no way, is Cochran a victim, he was the passive/agressive mastermind of his old tribe. And he got too cocky. And he has no loyalty. Not to realize what others suffered for him, and to hate them for it, shows he only cares for himself. No loyalty at all.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Actually, in spite of keeping him around, Dawn's exit interview clearly states that her tribe treated him terribly while he was around. I don't see why she would lie about that.

It's not just keeping him there, that constitutes "treating him well." That only means that they were willing to 'use him.'

And as he said in his exit interview, the fact that *later* some of them said they were going to take him to final three only because they thought he couldn't win wasn't much of a compliment either.

FWIW, he didn't hate them for it, he tried to make nice at Ponderosa. It was them who rejected him still.

Jackie2850
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10-28-2010

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 11:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jackie2850 a private message Print Post    
In every season there is someone 'they' want to take to the end because 'they' think he/she won't win. And there are many of those who 'they' thought wouldn't win, that did win. That's part of the game. That may not be a compliment, but it isn't an insult, or shouldn't be used as an insult either. And I can understand the former members being mad at Cochran! The remaining members saved Cochran several times, and he literally took the chance of $1 million away from each of them! He threw them away for a tribe who has never helped him at all! In Survivor history, Cochran will be a lesson to get rid of the weakest player asap, even if you feel sorry for him!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Exactly Kar. People keep saying they wanted to take him to the final three as if that was a good thing. The fact is that they wanted to take him to the final three because they thought of him as a loser and the perfect fall guy. Anything but a positive thing. Plus he would have had absolutely no argument for winning if they had taken him to the final three. Although switching tribes didn't get him further in the game at least he was playing on his terms.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 11:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
They didn't save Cochran and their actions demonstrated that they didn't like him or feel sorry for him. I don't think that anyone "saves" someone in Survivor out of the goodness of their heart. They keep the person because they think it benefits their game.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 12:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Spear, it's in the third video, right after the phony "finding" a piglet section ('I think we're kindred spirits'--right), just as he's calling his former tribe makes 'a bunch of bitter jerks.'

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 12:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I agree, Jimmer. They said exactly what they thought of him (and it was very derogatory) when they explained why they would have taken him to final three.

To me, that's quite a bit different than taking someone because you think they might lose.

As for saving him, they never saved him, not once. At each time they went to TC, it just made more sense to eliminate someone else at that moment. It wasn't about 'saving' Cochran, not ever.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 1:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Yeah... what Karuuna said in all of her above posts.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
The sided with Cochran in most every instance, even with Ozzy going to Redemption instead of Cochran

I remember that much differently.. they all, especially Keith!! gave him the gears for not maning up and going to RI instead of Ozzy.

The remaining members saved Cochran several times, and he literally took the chance of $1 million away from each of them!

awwwww Cockran took away their chance at a million. That just sucks doesn't it? I get they're bitter, but its a game that they're playing for themselves, not for others..

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Since we are going only on speculation and what our own feelings are about this matter we really don't know what anyone else's motivations or feelings were about this at the time it was happening.

Bbpeach
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07-06-2005

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbpeach a private message Print Post    
There is only one player who doesn't "get their chance at a million taken away". However, most casts, once out of the game can put aside their differences and get along. I think these people didn't care for Cochran from the get go, and them treating him badly has nothing to do with the fact that he flipped on them, since they treated him badly from the start.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 2:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
ITA Bbpeach, well said!

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 5:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
I am glad that Cochran is going to enjoy the reading of all these pages and pages of controversy about himself! I can envision him hugging himself wih glee at being so "important." I also hope all this helps him to see that he is as self-destructive as a person can be and that he needs help from a professional to turn that tendency around. From the "get - go " he presented himself as a whiney, needy person, and that sort of personality has a very difficult time having a full and happy life without help to learn how to act differently.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, December 09, 2011 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Thanks Tishala.

Christy358
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07-10-2007

Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 9:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Christy358 a private message Print Post    
I think Cochrans plan should have worked. The players less likely to win individual immunity should have started voting out the stronger ones before they voted off Cochran.

I did not see him as whiney or needy. I saw someone who was well used to being perceived a certain way by every new group he tried to join and dreading it.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 10:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
While I agree that Cochran could use some work on self-image, he needs that work precisely because he was damaged by a world who won't accept people as they are....

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
True, Kar, but I think there is a better chance to change Cochran than the rest of the world. He is obviously a bright guy - he just needs guidance about how to comport himself with other people so that they find him acceptable, thereby raising his self esteen!

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I agreed that he needed to work on his self esteem issues - which make him come off as self-deprecating. However, he did note in his interview that he is not like that in life on a daily basis. It may be that it was exaggerated because he was so very far out of his comfort zone. In a life where intellect is more important, he may not be that way at all.

So, I think we shouldn't extrapolate his Survivor behavior to all of life.

But his behavior is not an excuse for bullying behavior. None at all. There is nothing harmful to *others* in being self-deprecating. There IS harm caused to others by bullying and mean-spiritedness.

Sportsfan
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09-03-2007

Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sportsfan a private message Print Post    
I'm with you TNT. He is whiney and needy and that is not the fault of everyone else.
His self depreciating schtick got old real fast. Every time I watch him a scurrying rat comes to mind.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Every time I watch him a scurrying rat comes to mind

But would you feel that way if he was a tall good looking guy?

Holly
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07-21-2001

Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I'm with you too TNT.

He choose to go on survivor and put himself "so very far out of his comfort zone", knowing full well that he's a loner, can't take the sun, has no physical endurance or strength, really doesn't like being around other people for too long, is very socially awkward, etc. etc.
Makes me scratch my head.