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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 9:15 pm
As much as I might not like the word, Cochran is an equal opportunity b-word slinger. His first (aired) usage of it was when he called Ozzy a little b***. Can't remember his second. Don't think there's much misogyny there.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 6:14 am
Some people never take it well when a perceived weakling that's been bullied takes control of their lot. It would be better if the bullied weakling fights for those that have treated them with distain and harshness.
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Loremma
Member
04-25-2004
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 6:49 am
If Ozzy etc. really wanted to show Cochran he was on their tribe and lets make this a strong 6, they should have given the immunity idol to Cochran at tribal council instead of Whitney. I don't think Cochran would have switched his vote on the re-vote. He'd have no fear of picking rocks because he was immune. But Ozzy etc didn't think of Cochran as one of their core group so he didn't need protecting. Have they never seen the show before where the perceived last person in their alliance is very willing to flip?
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 7:20 am
Loremma, your last sentence says everything! Why on Earth wouldn't the lowman try to advance their game, they have nothing to lose. There is no real difference between 6th or 7th place. And they'd leave knowing they gave it a shot. Coward, I don't think so. Playing the game for themselves, yes. Did that cause TeamOzzy some stress yes!
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Holly
Member
07-21-2001
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 7:22 am
Being concerned (I'll use concerned rather than scared) about pulling a black rock doesn't make Cochran a coward. Well, Dalton and many of us disagree with you, Jimsky. He's a pathetic player AND a coward. Poor little man should have stayed in the library where he belongs.
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Jewels
Member
09-22-2000
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 7:33 am
Bullies just don't like to see the disadvantage succeed. It makes bullies horribly uncomfortable to see those that they deem "less than" succeed so they have to lash out in order to feel strong, but they are so weak. It's so sad to see on t.v. and in real life.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 7:33 am
Well, Dalton and many of us disagree with you, Jimsky. LOL - So I guess that would make Jeff Probst a coward as well? So Jeff and I and many of us will disagree with you. So there! 
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Jewels
Member
09-22-2000
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 7:35 am
I guess if you can put a big name in your column, Jimmer, it makes it okay. I'll take Jeff in mine. 
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Hermione69
Member
07-23-2002
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 7:41 am
Hey! Don't denigrate libraries!
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 8:29 am
Allietex - ITA 100% w/ your eloquent Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 11:32 a.m. post, and your subsequent posts on this subject. I commend your sense of fair play and compassion! 
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 8:47 am
If seems to me that if personal immunity carries for both votes, so would the idol. The personal immunity idol had no play in the 2nd vote as only Keith and Rick could be voted for.
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Hypermom
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 9:00 am
I'm glad Cochran switched sides. Survivor is hard enough without having to deal with being bullied. Since we only see a very small portion of what actually goes on, I'm sure it has been a lot worse for him. Dawn crying and saying she should have stuck up for him, sealed it for me.
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 10:14 am
People have always switched sides on Survivor. I don't think Cochran has any chance so why not? I don't care that he isn't helping the rest of the Savaii - too bad for Ozzy! I kind of wished Christine would have beat him just to see what would have happened. haha I don't know if I have a favorite yet - I like Albert and Sophie so far.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 10:15 am
I suppose whether you think it was a good move or not, has a lot to do with who you like in the game. Folks who like Cochran see it as a good move for him. Folks who don't, not so much. Personally, I think Survivor is always a bit of a crap shoot, you never really know if your move is going to be "big" or a dud. You just have to use your intuition and play the odds. Ozzy's big move to go to redemption, turned out to be a dud. If they had sent Cochran, Christine would have won, and probably would have stuck with Ozzy's tribe. But he thought it was a 'big move." Whether Cochran's move is big or a dud (for him) remains to be seen.
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Loremma
Member
04-25-2004
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 10:27 am
I agree that if you think Cochran's move was a good one or not depends on whether you like him or not. For those who think he was a coward, do you feel Boston Rob was a coward when he blindsided his biggest ally Grant on his season? They were tight and Grant even professed his love for Boston Rob, so wasn't he a coward by engineering his ouster instead of fighting him to the end? What would Cochran's chances have been if he didn't change his vote? He knows he wouldn't get far with his own tribe. He might stick around a few more tribal councils but then he'd be gone. His tribe would think he was too close to Coach's tribe and you can't trust him so let's vote him out. Now he can, hopefully for him, sit back and let both tribes pick off the physical threats. He's proved his "loyalty" to Coach's team so they'll leave him alone for a while. I think Dawn might come with Cochran now that her tribe is down in numbers. If she didn't win immunity last time she might have voted with Cochran.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 10:48 am
I don't like Cochran but I can see that it was a good move for him. I'm just kind of over Coach so I would hate to see him best Ozzy in the game...Ozzy is just more my type of player...maybe not very bright but I love to watch him at physical challenges. Besides, that fake praying stuff made me really, really, REALLY dislike Coach. I'm a firm believer in the power of prayer, but praying to influence a team member kind of nauseates me.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 11:21 am
Starr thanks for replying. I'm not impressed with Ozzy's gameplay at all. Christine was very vocal about disliking her team so Ozzy's team would have been the only hope for her. He shouldn't have gone to RI and should have voted out Cochran.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 11:39 am
I don't like Cochran, at all. He annoys me. But I think he made the right move at the time and it will likely affect the rest of the game.
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Lostfan
Member
03-10-2010
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 11:54 am
Just exactly how was Cochran "bullied" at 1st tribal council- the whole group was going to vote out the weekest (Cochran)- they gave him another chance- he sits around on camera saying crap about the others - ozzy and crew once again SAVED his azz by taking a bullit for the team when they could have been rid of that week player- he is the reason they always lost- he is just an ungrateful player who likes to play the "victim" card and call everyone a bully when things don't go his way- I'm sorry- he is an adult- get over it- those team players could have got rid of him day 1
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 12:00 pm
I always thought refusing to play russian roulette was smart, not cowardice. The rock in a bag is russian roulette in my mind. I don't care who it is. I think the rest are utter fools to agree to drawing rocks from a bag! Of course Ozzy or Dawn wouldn't have had to drawn, so no skin off their nose. And Ozzy will draw because his ego tells him he can go to RI and come back.
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Saggkl
Member
07-16-2002
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 1:32 pm
what Roxip said. Ditto
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 1:33 pm
I agree that the praying bit was probably over the top, although I like when Coach gets all ZEN, cuz it cracks me up.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 1:40 pm
What Lostfan fan said. Ditto.
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Holly
Member
07-21-2001
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 2:11 pm
Ditto on what Lostfan said. He's just lucky he's lasted so long due *only* to his tribe cutting him breaks from Day 1 rather than unloading him at the first opportunity. He slowed them down and hindered them constantly in challenges. I can't wait to see if he'll join in when his new team starts with the group pray/hugging/dropping to their knees nonsense. I hope Sophie and Albert pull away from that cluster soon.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, November 04, 2011 - 3:53 pm
Or is it only the perception of him physically that makes people think he lost the challenges for his team? This last one for instance he was paired with Jim, heck they were even dressed as twins as they shared the task, yet he was 100% blamed for the loss even by people who were blindfolded the entire time and couldn't even see what was happening. Week 1 both Cochran and the Teddy Bear guy had trouble getting over the wall, the Teddy Bear guy blamed Cochran to deflect blame from himself. They won the Reward challenge. Week 2 they won the combined reward/immunity challenge. Week 3 was the one where they wound back that wheel which dragged the people with the boogie board. Cochran was a wheel winder and did fine. Week 4 they won the challenge. Week 5 was when they tore bits off the gross bit of meat. They only just lost and Cochran performed no different to the others. Week 6 they won the challenge. Week 7 was the knot one Phil blamed on Cochran, despite him being twinned with Jim. So really Cochran had a hand in losing two out of eight challenges yet he's perceived as the loser, constantly failing his tribe. When you're not quick to protect yourself, instead being the type to admit your own mistakes, people can take advantage of that and jump on the chance to attack rather than risk anyone pointing the blame at them. Add in a bunch of jocks to the mix and we get the ostracising behaviour we've had to suffer through all these tribal councils.
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