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Nerovh
Member
06-12-2005
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:01 pm
Ok, so maybe I shouldn't have used the word "manipulation". But I'm not sure what word to use for it. He used her as his spy with the others. He kept very tight control over who she talked to or associated with. He was kind to her in some of the later confessionals, but there were a lot of times he called her "idiot" right along with all the others that he WAS manipulating. He told all of them that he would go to the end with them, and I don't believe for a minute that he decided from the beginning that Natalie was the one he would be true to. It just turned out that she was one of the ones he could beat and he liked her. I like Rob. I'm not condemning him. I just think there was self-interest and at least a little manipulation in all his relationships on the island. If somehow Natalie had made Rob think she could beat him in the end, I don't think he would have kept his word to her anymore than he did the others.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:02 pm
But Rob was Survivor celebrity so his fan base were survivor fans, AKA his fellow Survivor contestants, AKA his starstruck puppets.
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:04 pm
People skills and game skills that he learned along the way of his 4 seasons. He wouldn't have been so "into" Philip his first time out. No way!!
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:05 pm
ITA with Brenda1966 in her May 15, 2011 - 9:40 pm Post: The bitter jury doesn't surprise me, but Julie's below the belt hit on Natalie about how her mom wouldn't be proud of her was just so nasty. Shame on her! And I thought Steve's words to Philip made him look petty, and childish. sometimes it's the right time to be the bigger man. I really wanted a Rob win and when he won final immunity is when I jumped off the couch and cheered. His raw emotion was good to see. After booting Ashley there was little suspense as to who'd win. I was waiting for Philips master plan to be revealed, but he didn't try to win over the jury at all! I'm really glad Rob won fan fave. He certainly outplayed and outwitted this season.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:08 pm
All these things that Rob has learned - could they also not have been learned by people WATCHING this show for 22 seasons? It doesn't seem like any of it is earth shattering: keep in mind it's a game, keep your friends close & your enemies closer; have 1 person you're truly tight with but have everyone thing they're the "one" - Hatch demonstrated this strategy the very first season! If they've been paying attention, they should have had just as much knowledge of the game as Rob did!
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:21 pm
I personally don't think its as easy and simple as that teach. Just my opinion though. They all come out saying it was way harder than they ever thought it would be. Its so easy for us watching. I can't tell you how many times I screamed at the tv, yelling for these guys to get a clue.. I love Rob, think he deserved the win without a doubt. The season was predictable, RI was a bust IMO, and I hope to never see him or Russell back on another series.
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Retired
Member
07-11-2001
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:28 pm
I don't think I've seen this mentioned. Rob has a psychology degree. That had to help him with his game. Link is from Yahoo. Facts About Rob
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Debra
Member
11-20-2003
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:35 pm
Mame, I just heard a radio interview with Dennis Miller and Phillip. Phillip mentioned that his son is in military school and has not seen any of the episodes yet. I guess we now know why we didn't see him last night.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:39 pm
Philip was extremely mellow last night on the reunion show - almost like they drugged him. He was not the same guy I had been watching the last three months.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:46 pm
I honestly don't think Philip exists in the same reality as the majority of the rest of us.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:49 pm
He probably realized that his appearance on the show actually made him look as "crazy" as they all said he did....so at the reunion, he bit his tongue and held all the crazy bottled up inside.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:53 pm
Rosie, you made a very good point: Bitter juries should realize how they sound to the watchers. I really hope that Phil and Russell are not coming back to Survivor. I don't want to see Coach either. I'm afraid that 2 of these 3 are the ones coming back. I don't think Matt would be invited back. Maybe he would because he came so close to fan favorite, but Jeff said Matt was a terrible player. I agree with whoever posted way way earlier that now we need Rob Cesternino (I'm sure I got that spelling wrong) back. (But I think he had a 2nd shot and blew it.) This is not going to be popular with you all, but I'd love to see Jonathan Penner back. (I doubt he'd be back either because he also had 2 chances already.) Along with many of you, if they must bring back RI, I hope they revamp it some. I didn't mind it, but I agree with Dalton Ross that it takes something away from the dramatic vote out from TC. Also, I really dislike that some of the duels saved more than just the winner. That was the worst proposal and acceptance ever. Poor Carolina. (and I feel bad for Dave too) I don't think she would have said yes if she weren't on tv. I hope that sometime we get to hear about the reaction to the merged tribe's name. Also, I hope Rob is asked in an interview about the working together comment at the last IC. I wish Phil had done a better job at the final TC. I wanted Rob to win, but I really had high hopes that Phil would make some speech that was reasonable and smart etc. I had somewhat of a soft spot for Phil, but he was disappointing. He is really lacking socially and is not a good Survivor competitor. I think Rob has really humbled over the years. Except for his bonehead comment about which "idiot" to vote out (between Ashley, Natalie, and Phil), I thought he did a good job of being respectful to the others in his confessionals and especially to their faces. He seemed humble at all TCs, during the Reunion show, and on the Morning Show. $2 million plus all the TAR $, his Vegas show, and the $100,000, and any $ they may have received from their televised wedding is a lot; however, I don't see them as filthy rich in this day and age. I'm sure their house is worth a lot less (and it wasn't a mansion or anything, just a regular house) than when they bought it. They have 2 kids to provide for for many years to come. Who knows what the future holds. Amber is probably not earning any income and who knows how much Rob is getting paid for his upcoming show or if it will last. The income they've earned from CBS is highly taxed and probably needs to cover many years of expenses. It's a lot more than I have (or ever will), but I think they have to be wise and careful. $1 million after taxes is just not all that much anymore. I would guess that off the top the taxes are about $350-400 K on $1 million. Depending on how any how the money (before this morning's $1,100,000 winnings) was invested, they may not have much left. Back to the show, I don't think it was fixed at all. They had some strong players this season on each tribe, but they all got voted out early. Rob and Russ picked buffs blindly, so, no fix there. The final IC was barely won by Rob, Ashley almost won that. Besides, to have the game fixed, it would leak out...too many would have to be in on it. The legal implications of not abiding by the law are huge. There is no reason for Survivor producers etc. to jeopardize the success of their show by "fixing" the outcome. I don't see it as set up for Rob. As a season or for any of the challenges. Jeff said all the challenges are decided in advance of the season. I believe him. There are puzzles every season. There are balance challenges every season (and they do favor women). There are strength and endurance challenges every season, etc. No way do I think this season was set up for Rob or tweaked along the way for Rob to win. Rob and Russel both had an advantage coming in to the game, but I think the disadvantage they each had coming in was bigger than any advantage.
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 1:55 pm
I think Philip almost seemed embarrassed by how he was portrayed on the show. He has had a chance to watch himself look crazy and behave like a real loonietunes. His being a "special agent" was made fun of by everyone including Jeff, to the point that they had someone come to verify it. Even though he was on a t.v. program, with all kinds of filming crews, he was now sitting on stage in front of a live audience, and an audience that basically thought he was nuts. I'm not surprised that he was so quiet and mellow.
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Maris
Member
03-27-2002
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 2:01 pm
Phil is like Inspector Clousseau. Bumbling civil servant whose view of his experties is at odds with his abilities.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 2:02 pm
LOL Maris. So true . . . ETA nice post, Happymom.
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 2:07 pm
I don't think Rob was respectful in his confessionals at all and he didn't need to be either...He was super nice and respectful to their faces though. I remember watching mid season and thinking to myself... holy $hit..these guys are going hate hearing him say those things.. it wasn't just "idiot" on the last show.
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 2:09 pm
I don't think it was fixed either. No way. and $1 million doesn't go far these days. Not where I live anyways
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 2:18 pm
Here's something: The way you controlled everyone and everything out there was simply amazing, but even for you, asking Ashley to collaborate on the final immunity challenge was a bold, bold stroke, my friend. [Laughing] You know what, I try to keep all my bases covered. Who knew? Who knew at that moment if she would automatically get it and then step up and tell me? I mean, I didn’t expect her to, but it’s one of those situations where you have to throw it out there and if they bite and you can hook ‘em, then more power to you as a fisherman. That is from an interview of Rob by Dalton. ('Survivor' Central May 16 2011 10:16 AM ET 'Survivor: Redemption Island:' Boston Rob talks about lying to his wife, why Grant is so mad at him, and being done with the show forever...) So at least one of my ?s was answered!
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 2:56 pm
$1 million doesn't go far these days especially after you pay taxes on it!
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 3:42 pm
Rob pulled the family man card at the end. The three girls at the end had a golden opportunity to rid themselves of him, but they didn't have the maturity to pull it off. I think they were somehow thinking Rob wouldn't go after them.
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 4:12 pm
So happy Rob won. The man has certainly paid his dues playing this game. It's not his fault the girls didn't have the sense to vote him off. He spoke to the jury perfectly and in a very humble way. Amazed how his cohorts praised him more than themselves. I think he played a perfect game. Loved how he spoke of Phil at the end and was considerate of his feelings. I thought the questions were ridiculous asked of them. I don't know WHO U R? What was that supposed to mean? I thought Julie was disgusting with her comments, particularly to Natalie. Loved David and his speech. Wish he and Rob could have paired up, though that proposal was strange and she did not look happy. They can't be dating more than a few months. Phil is still nuts, no matter what he claims. Where did find that woman? How come no one from his dept., boss or co-worker? Not happy with redemption island again and 2 coming back. I will vomit if it is Russell. I hope they bring back two that are not enemies, and it is about time, they bring back 2 women! It's time to revert back to a final two. I hate a final three. I will watch Rob's new show. I think he'll be a hoot.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 4:32 pm
I'm guessing Coach and Phil come back!
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 4:49 pm
Two women would be excellent. I kind of like the idea of two who supposedly rode coattails, to see how they would play a second time. The whole dynamic of a returning player would change if it were two women, because players don't usually consider women such threats early on.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 4:52 pm
Just got done watching the show and was appalled at Julie's words at tribal council. What she said to Natalie was so pathetically below the below and i couldn't be happier with Philip that when she went to turn her vile on him, he told her her "to hell with her". kudos Phil!
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Justalittlebean
Member
08-15-2003
| Monday, May 16, 2011 - 5:32 pm
I'm guessing the same about Coach and Phil. I do think Phil has Coach beaten when it comes to being weird.

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