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Alaginger
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Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 9:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Let me start off this thread with the gathering of what we know so far. Then, in the morning I can go see what is new out there and bring it over:
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Both of the HII's have been played by Sash and Chase at the last TC. Missyae had spoiled that Holly was not happy about HII's, so that lead us to believe that they were played at the TC where she gets the boot, but that was not the case. As Brownroach at Survivor Blows pointed out, and this is good logic, if at F4 two players have HII's, and another player wins immunity, that is an automatic boot of the remaining player, so why even bother to have a TC?

I'm still wondering about all the bad news that Jane was suppose to receive and I never saw or heard anything of it from her daughter's quick visit, so I guess the knowledge that she was getting the boot that night was the bad news that set her off.

At F5, there will be an IC where Fabio wins immunity again and, therefore they can't boot him, so Dan takes the walk.

At F4, there is another IC where Fabio once again wins immunity, and this time Holly gets the boot. Not sure why Holly was picked over Chase or Sash, but it's not what we first suspected about Chase and Sash playing their HII's as they are now gone.

And that leaves an F3, which if you have been following the general spoiler thread, we have known since Day 1 is to be Jud (Fabio), Chase and Sash with Fabio favored to win. The spoiler is out that Sash will not receive one vote at the Reunion, but that is something we will just have to wait and see. If he doesn't get a vote, it is supposedly for something that happened at this last TC that we were not made privy to (an accusation by Jane that he offered to buy her vote). Since we didn't see it....we can only call that part unsupported spoiling/speculation ... but that is what is out there.

Friend
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 5:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Friend a private message Print Post    
Coffee, yummy.

I'm still wondering about all the bad news that Jane was suppose to receive

Maybe hearing that her go cart broke again sent her over the edge.

Tntitanfan
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 5:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Haven't HII's been carried later in the game than F6 before? I thought I remembered like F4 or so?

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 6:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
TNT: This is what was posted at Survivor Blows:
(Oh, and I gave poster Brownroach the credit, and it was poster Michel.)
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The HII had been good until F4 but they put it until F5 in Fiji where there were 2 idols available. Imagine the mess if at F4 someone without the HII wins individual immunity: Automatic boot! It went to F6 in Gabon.

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 6:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Here's the transcripts that goes with the preview that was shown at the end of last night's show.
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Transcript:

Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor, with only 5 players left, one thing is certain.

Dan [talking to Chase]: Holly's got me hands down as a threat.

Sash [camera confessional]: Holly could be a threat.

Chase: Dan is a bigger threat than Holly.

Fabio: Chase is a threat.

Holly: Sash is a huge threat.

Chase: Fabio is a huge physical threat.

Fabio: He's a big threat.

Chase: He's a bigger threat.

Sash: He's one of the biggest threats.

Probst: Everyone is a threat.

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 6:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Here's Jeff's Blog:
IF IT’S A SPRINT PHONE, THAT MUST MEAN THE LOVED ONES ARE COMING!!
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We’ve been through this season after season. I love the “loved ones” visit. I fight to have it in the show every season because it always pays off. Plus, Sprint loves it and Sprint is a major sponsor so if they like it, we really like it.
It’s almost always emotional and on the rare occasions that it’s uncomfortable due to an odd family dynamic, you always learn something new about the Survivors. This season was pure emotion. Let’s review, shall we?
HOLLY – I think it’s clear that Holly and Charlie have a great love affair. He was a very nice guy and so happy for Holly’s adventure. Married for 25 years and obviously still going strong. In fact, if given the chance, I think he would have stayed for the rest of the show just to be with Holly.
JANE – This was the first time her daughter Ashley had been on a plane. She was feisty just like her mom. She’s clearly a young woman who carries a lot of responsibility. She was a bit nervous at the prospect of being on television, but I have a feeling that once she was back home she was bragging about her trip to Nicaragua!
CHASE – Yeah, sure he’s a big football playin, country music singing, good ‘ole boy… but bring a boy a hug from his Mom and he’s reduced to tears. Connie was a delight to have out in Nicaragua and I think the loved one visit really connected Chase with his mom in a new way.
FABIO – I really liked Fabio’s mom, Anne. She has an amazing sense of calm about her and clearly loves her son. She was smiling the entire time she was there, she had nothing but positive things to say and it made me look at Fabio, aka Judson in a different light.
SASH – Leigh was so excited to see her son, Sash. I loved hearing Sash talk about what it was like growing up with not much money but a lot of love. I think Sash needed that comfort. He doesn’t have a lot of friends in the game right now.
DAN – My personal highlight. You don’t see men share affection enough, especially father/son affection. I was truly moved watching Matthew kiss his father so openly and so often. There was no embarrassment, only love. If you were watching in HD you could probably see that I was tearing up myself. The entire crew thought it was pretty fantastic. For a moment I considered not giving Dan a hard time anymore. But only for a moment.
CHASE’S REWARD DECISION
It’s hard to criticize Chase’s decision of who to take with him on the reward. He certainly bought some goodwill with Sash and Holly. And just as important, by not taking Fabio, he kept Fabio from putting food in his belly. It was a smart move as it could have made a difference in the next Immunity Challenge. Turns out it didn’t, but strategically it made sense.
FABIO’S FEELINGS WERE HURT
When Chase came back from the reward, I really respected how honest Fabio was about how he was feeling. He was trying so hard to be “fair” about his frustration but he knew he needed to share that frustration with Chase. Fabio grew on me a lot with that exchange. I didn’t sense any game play, just a guy trying to get something off his chest and then go kick some ass in the next challenge, which he did.
FABIO KEEPS HIMSELF ALIVE
These types of memory challenges are already difficult but add 30 days of no food and no sleep and they become extremely challenging. You are trying to remember symbols and placement. Fabio came through big and it seems clear that without immunity he was next to go. He’s too big of a threat to leave in the game.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE SCENES OF THE SEASON
After the immunity challenge, the gang goes back to camp and now has to decide who to send home.
The moment of Chase, Sash, Holly standing in a circle as Jane approaches was riveting. It was like an Alfred Hitchcock movie. The other three knew they were going to “kill” Jane but didn’t know how to tell her.
Then… Jane starts to figure it out.
Jane: “So, is it me….?”
Cue the scary music…
Holly: “This is not easy.”
Silence.
Jane: “So you all been conniving this whole time?”
Cue ominous bells…
Chase: “Yes, there has been discussion…”
Jane gives a not so subtle flip of the middle finger to the group.
Then tears.
Jane: “My alliance have turned on me.”
Then anger.
Jane: “ They’re liars. They’re cheats. They’re backstabbers. I’m most disappointed in my Carolina homeboy, Chase. If I was Chase I wouldn’t show my ass back in North Carolina.”
Then the rage.
Jane grabs a bucket of water and violently dumps it on the fire.
Jane: “By God I started it and I’ll put it out!”
And with that moment I think Jane solidified her spot as the most “root worthy” person on this season of Survivor.
I LOVED this moment. Let’s pass out some recognition to the folks that made it happen:
Kudos to the team who shot this out in the field. Great coverage of this scene. Remember, there are no second takes. What you see is happening in real time. If we don’t get the shots, we don’t have it. We got it. All of it.
Don’t forget the audio. Our sound team has to make sure they get every whisper without ever getting in the way of the shot. When you’re shooting in a circle with four people, that is much easier said than done.
This was excellent work by the Survivor editing team. This scene is brilliantly cut. It’s cut so well you don’t even realize it’s cut. Quentin Tarrantino would be proud.
Fantastic choice of music, which guided our emotions so seamlessly.
And finally, a huge nod to our producing team who oversee all of this. This scene is yet another great example of why Survivor still shines above all the other shows in our genre. We have the best of breed in every single department.
TRIBAL COUNCIL
Whoa! Jane tore it up. She broke it wide open. Wow. Fabio just got a huge wake up call. Dan just got a huge wake up call. Did either of them hear it?
At Tribal Council I always try to ask the questions I imagine you are asking at home. Or in this case, the questions that I imagine my mom is asking at home.
When you looked at the scenario it was painfully obvious. There are six people left. Three of them — Chase, Sash and Holly — were hung out to dry by Jane when she exposed their alliance. That leaves three others — Jane, Fabio and Dan. Classic Survivor. You wait for this moment because the game can change on a dime. But did it? Nope.
Even after discussing it, nobody changed their mind or their vote. Now Dan and Fabio must win every challenge or they are gone. That means one of them is gone next….
Unless of course something changes… ah, but that never happens on Survivor, right?
FINAL FIVE
Okay – here’s where we sit. Our final 5:
Holly – Could win. She has made a dramatic comeback and seems well-liked. A jury might respond to the underdog story.
Chase – Could win. Especially if he dominates the last few challenges and takes the right people to the end with him.
Sash –A long shot, would need to take the right people with him and do an amazing job at the final Tribal.
Dan – I just don’t see any way Dan can win, which is why I will be amazed if they vote him out. Dan should be in the final.
Fabio – Could win but he will have to win every challenge because at this point if he loses, they’ll take him out.
THIS SUNDAY DEC. 19th – THE FINALE AND LIVE REUNION SHOW
Sunday is our two-hour finale followed by the Live Reunion show from CBS in Los Angeles. I think it’s going to be a good one.
In addition to crowning a winner, I’m so looking forward to having Coach Jimmy Johnson back to chat. Rumor has it he’s bringing a special guest with him. I’m very curious as to who will win the Sprint Award voted on by you guys.
And I can’t wait to talk to Naonka! Yes I’m going to talk to her! You’re crazy if you think I’d pass up that gold, especially during a “live” show! Who knows what she might say or do? I’ll be sure to have security close by in case she tries to take me out.
BIG ANNOUNCEMENT
Finally, we have a big announcement regarding the next season of Survivor that I think you’re going to want to check out! It’s.. EPIC.
I hope you enjoy Sunday’s finale!!

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 6:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Okay ... here's the final voting booth confessionals. Make sure to really read what Jane and Sash had to say:
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Dan (Jane): <says nothing>

Holly (Jane): We should have listened to Marty a long time ago.

Jane (Sash): You can lie all you want to. <camera quickly cuts to overhead angle; we see Jane fold her vote and put her vote in>

Sash (Jane): You're a classy Southern lady, but what you pulled at camp today, and at Tribal, is utterly disgusting. <camera quickly cuts to overhead angle; Sash folds his vote and puts it in>

Chase (Jane): Love ya, Jane. You know I wish this wouldn't have happened. Gotta keep myself further in the game, though.

Fabio (Jane): You've had a great run, but it's your time to go, and pouring the water on the fire at camp was not cool.
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Edited to Add: KiKi at Survivor Blows says that you can tell from the video of the voting booth that what Jane said and what Sash said were both cut off. Evidently they both said more than we are allowed to see and hear.

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 7:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Kiki at Survivor Blows has watched the deleted scenes that appear at the Survivor: Insider and has summarized them nicely:
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Cut to shot of Chase/Sash/Holly/Jane talking and Chase says "We all know if Fabio gets to finals he wins." Everyone nods. Sash says "He's played a really great game without backstabbing or doing anything bad." Holly says "We have to see what happens at next challenge." Jane says "We have to win."
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Jane packing to go to TC. She's taking some different bits of wood & saying she is going to make things out of them -- one a Christmas decoration, one a clock, a present for one of her friends who is helping daughter at farm etc. (She's crying & is upset). She says she isn't giving up but she wants to be prepared. She's going to make a speech tonight & it's going to hit home with some people. Hopefully they'll change their minds, but they're going to hear what she has to say. At least she can hold her head up when she goes back to NC knowing she played a good game. Most disappointed in homeboy Chase but when you lay down with liars, you become one. He played his game his way, she played her game hers. Tonight some (blank) is going to hit the fan. Those 3 will know that none of them are going to get her vote in the final.

Clip of Fabio after IC -- he's stoked he won. He knew it was do or die & that Jane could not win it. So far so good today. Right now Sash/Holly/Chase are talking about whether they want to vote out Jane or not. He's hoping Jane goes home tonight and they can figure out something tomorrow because it can all change again tomorrow (me: the "they" seems to be him & Dan). He's stayed low profile until now, but now it's coming down to the last minute & we're all trying to see how this is going to play out. It might take some lying to get it done, it might take holding 2 promises to get it done. It is all going to depend on whether he can win immunity or not. It's critical now.

Secret scene Jane says Chase was going to talk to Holly but he hasn't reported back to her. She tells Chase to go to tree mail & she'll go down to beach so they can meet up & talk. She gives him a coconut when they meet up. He tells her he didn't want this to happen. She says she feels they played her for a fool. He swears that when he & Sash came up to her the other day, they were dead serious & that he took Holly on reward because he trusted her (Jane). He says this kills him because now he doesn't know what he's going to do to get to finals. Jane wishes they would reconsider & asks him to give her the HII so that she can play it. Chase tells camera that if he did that it would keep Jane around but then Holly & Sash wouldn't trust him. He would love to keep her in, but he's got to get himself further in game somehow. He tells Jane he can't give her HII because then it sc@ws him. If he can't convince them, he wants to thank her for making the game so fun for him & she is one of a kind. She says she wishes he would convince them. He says he will. Jane tells camera that Chase not giving her HII tells her he really didn't have an alliance with her. Says he is a backstabber and a liar.

Chase talks about how great it was seeing mom at reward. Didn't think he'd miss mom so much. He realized his mom means more than anything else to him. His mom loves word games so challenge was perfect for her. Might have put a curse on him because he had to choose. Choosing Sash was an easy one because he hadn't been on reward in a while. Having to choose between Fabio/Jane/Holly was hard. Fabio was very emotional & he's probably going home soon, so he would have been a jury vote, but he wanted to keep Holly close to make sure she can help him get to end. He trusts Jane at camp, so he went with Holly who he feels can get him further in game. He went with heart. He prayed about it. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite him in the butt with jury votes, if he makes it that far. Had a great time with mom but at same time said to mom that he could have just lost the million dollars. Fabio was very upset, but he doesn't blame him. He loves him to death. Fabio's an emotional guy, he said he would have taken him, and knows he would have, but this is a game. He tried to do as much damage control as he could with Fabio but doesn't know if he has his jury vote.

Tntitanfan
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 7:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
I LOVE Jeff's take on things!

Tntitanfan
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 7:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Back to say thanks for Ginger for the HII info! I am never sure what I remember -very little! - and what I have imagined!

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
That's what I'm getting paid the big bucks for!!!

For those that don't know this is all volunteer, that was just a bit of a wee joke!

Costacat
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    

quote:

Having to choose between Fabio/Jane/Holly was hard.


And once again, where was Dan? No where in the picture. Not even in anyone's thoughts!

Costacat
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 8:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Ginger, while you may not get paid in actual dollars, you get the everlasting devotion of all of us spoiled fans. You know we lurves you! And yes, we all depend on you! You are truly indispensable!!!

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 8:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Exactly "Cost". Maybe he is just a figment of our imaginations.
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KiKi at Survivor Blows reports on the Ponderosa Clips of Jane.

Jane goes to Ponderosa & is very happy & everyone gets along really well. She & Marty make up. She lost 14 lbs. She is very nice & level headed & says she had time of her life on Survivor. She's sad she left the game because she loved the game. She is not the bitter hag she has been made out to be at all. If she is, she is hiding it very, very well.
Nothing spoilerish from the Ponderosa clips, but Jane is def. voting Fabio.

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Somebody over at Sucks also made mention that there were 4 videos at Ponderosa when Benry was booted, but only 2 when Jane was booted. I read somewhere that the video with Benry where the group went shopping for the day was to make room at the Ponderosa for the day for the Family "Loved Ones". That might be why we got more footage then, rather than now. It could also mean that Jane did and said some stuff on arrival that had to be edited out. Basically what is on the clips we can see is totally harmless stuff.

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
The ratings for Survivor sure aren't hurting!
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THE PENULTIMATE EPISODE OF "SURVIVOR: NICARAGUA" DELIVERS LARGEST AUDIENCE SINCE ITS SEASON PREMIERE
The penultimate episode of SURVIVOR: NICARAGUA delivered its largest audience since its season premiere, leading CBS to a nightly win in viewers and key demographics, according to Nielsen preliminary live plus same day ratings for Wednesday, Dec. 15.

Lookieloo
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 4:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lookieloo a private message Print Post    
Before this season comes to a close, i would also like to thank Ginger for all the spoiling she does for us. Your tireless efforts are greatly appreciated by me.

so..............

THANK YOU!!!!!

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 4:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
TY, Lookie

Costacat
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Penultimate? Who uses that word? That's hilarious!

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 5:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I only cut and paste .... I don't make up words! Now, if I only knew what penultimate meant! Guess I'm going to have to get out my dictionary, but I'm sure it's something good!!! (LOL)

Bonbonlover
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 5:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
pe·nul·ti·mate 
–adjective
1.
next to the last: the penultimate scene of the play.



Well I certainly learn something new from this show!! I had guessed it was a superlative form of ultimate...

Costacat
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 6:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I knew it was next to last. I just wanna know why the heck someone would use it. It's a random word that is not often used. It's a conundrum.

Tishala
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 6:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I use it when appropriate.

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 6:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Oh ..... well, thanks a whole-heaping bunch! Now I have to go look up conundrum.

Tntitanfan
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 7:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
In another threaad Costa (I think that is who is was) says that she knows what the announcement will be because it is in the spoiler thread. What have I missed? And/or read and forgotten? - Lordy, how I miss my mind!

Alaginger
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure what that is referring to TNT. Maybe Costa will step in here and clear it up.

I do know that Jeff will be announcing Survivor 22 which is the Rob vs Russell show and we have a thread already up with spoilers in it for those that want to go there.
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