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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 8:59 pm
Why did Ozzie throw the idol away like that? If he or they had thought about it, they would target a really strong player. If they had no intel, just let the votes fall where they may, not use the idol on someone who wouldn't be an obvious target. And in the same vein, why did they target Rick? Why not Brandon or Albert who have done the best in challenges?
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 9:12 pm
I kind of like that Brandon has tucked Cochran under his wing. I think Coach is enough of a nurturer/caregiver to want to help poor Cochran too. It cracks me up that when Cochran decided to play the game.....which he has every right to do.....his own tribe calls him a coward and gets on his case about it. Well, duh! What have they done for him to make him feel like he is part of their team. I don't think Cochran will last much longer but he sure should hold his head up high. He's played the best he can. I am soooooo over Ozzy. He just seems so arrogant to me. Wish someone would take him down soon.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 9:12 pm
Why should Cochran stay loyal to a tribe who treated him basically like crap the whole game? He's not in this just help Ozzy win. I like Cochran. I always like the most intelligent people in any situation, and he right up there with a Mensa IQ. Also, I come from a clan of people with milk-white skin, just like Cochran. I wouldn't dream of bad-mouthing someone because their skin is a certain unpopular colour.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 9:19 pm
So Cochran went from being the number six person in his tribe to being number seven in a tribe that he was told is solid. And he's the smart one?
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 9:25 pm
This was a very good show tonight IMO--I have to watch it on CBS.com tomorrow to catch at least the portion I missed though--but I really am upset about the way Probst interjected himself into the game. He knew that the whole Ozzy to RI thing was a ruse, but at the duel, he acted as if it were legitimate. IMO it's important that he remain neutral about things like that, not bringing it up or whatever, because if Upolo had believed it, it could have changed the game completely. With that out of the way, I believe that if Cochran wanted to make a move, this was the wrong time. It puts the Savaii group at a serious disadvantage in terms of raw numbers, so the best he can hope for at this point is coming in 7th (unless he can sow seeds of dissent among the Upolo folks and become a surrogate Upolo, but in place of whom? Coach will protect Edna; Sophie, Albert, and Brandon are part of the core, etc). Cochran admitted that he was playing emotionally and his vote at TC proved that. If you are going to make the move, you don't make it at the merge. With the numbers tied. ETA: Ooops. Merrysea posted while I was typing. ITA.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 9:31 pm
There are now five people who will (or should) be voted out before Cochran. By the time they get down to eating their own, Cochran along with Edna will be seen as a good person to take to the end. It was a pretty good move for him. Perhaps the only chance he had in the game. If it doesn't work, he is no worse off than he was.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 9:38 pm
I had the same thought Mama. Cochran can't win individual immunity, likely, so he'll probably float along for a while while the strong players take each other out. I think it was a bold move and I'm glad he went for it. No regrets. No rocks from a bag!
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 10:10 pm
Who is Woody?
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Jag2000
Member
07-01-2009
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 10:21 pm
Cochran looks like Woody Allen, thus Woody. I didn't understand it either, but figured it out. Am I right?
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 10:22 pm
Yes Jag, cause he looks like Woody Allen.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 10:25 pm
Something's wrong... this episode I liked Brandon . And he was so right in answering back Jim, when Jim berated Cochran yet again - that's exactly what you get when you treat someone badly like that. I think Cochran had to switch now, because he needs the others tribe to really trust him by the time Ozzy's tribe numbers have dwindled. If he'd let Ozzy and co vote out one of Coach's trusted members they'd have always held that against him. And letting Survivor purposely go to a random elimination - that's not Survivor, and I'm surprised any of Ozzy, Keith or Jim wanted that. They didn't seem to get that their team has only three out of nine odds in getting the rock, but individually their odds were the same as any member of the other tribe's. Good episode .
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 10:25 pm
Tishala's nick for Cochran.
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Egbok
Member
07-13-2000
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 10:27 pm
Cochran = Woody Allen
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 10:28 pm
I know that strategy is NOT Ozzy's forte, but why on earth would they think Coach's team would shoot for a weaker player like Whitney? So their HII has now been flushed out and tossed away. Didn't they even consider the stronger player, which poses more of a threat, would be targeted? With Cochran busily spilling ALL the beans, Ozzy's closest sidekick Keith did the torch snuff. Dumb! Dumb! Dumb!! ETA: I don't blame Cochran either for preferring to play his own game rather than reach for a rock. Whether too early or not, sometimes you've got to take your chances. Anything could happen.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 11:00 pm
So Cochran is now seventh of seven instead of last of 6. But of course there will be those wanting to ally with him against their own team at some point. Had he stuck with his own team he might be last but would be sixth of six with the other tribe at five. Ozzy's acting and all the flaunting of the idol.. and doesn't Coach still HAVE an idol?
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Roblover
Member
05-17-2011
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:48 am
Cochran should respond to the traitor comments with "traitor to what? The team? Since when have I been a member of this team? You all have been trying to vote me out from the beginning." And I would probably add that I never liked Keith as a person (although it wouldn't be necessary, I would just like to say it : - )). And then I would not engage in conversation with them anymore because anything else would be redundant and just result in fruitless arguing. I am not a Brandon fan only because I think he is too immature to be there but I was proud of him tonight when he spoke up for Cochran. Reminded me of what brave children do when they see another child being bullied. I could not be more over Ozzy now. On his first season I really admired him. Guess familiarity does breed contempt. : - ) Thanks, Sea, for pointing out that Coach sure does still have an idol. : - ) Too funny!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 1:12 am
I think what puzzled me was that Cochran proved that he colluded with the other tribe because he knew who they were voting out. He should have put in a vote for someone on HIS (original) tribe, other than Keith who didn't have immunity and then keep his mouth shut, at least until it came out later.. but to whip around and throw it in their faces.. probably not the best tactic. If he has dreams of being in final two or three and any of them are on the jury.. he's lost those votes and his new tribe alliance would probably vote for someone from their tribe over him too. So both Cochran AND Ozzy making some insane moves and then crowing about them..
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 2:51 am
I really enjoyed this last episode. Here are my thoughts on the Cochran vote. He knew that his tribe viewed him as number 6 out of 6. Even Dawn felt sorry for him. The male members of his tribe, mostly Keith and Ozzy made him feel very inferior, even though he has a huge brain. Why would he feel loyalty to that group?? I certainly wouldn't. The other tribe offered him a home and a group that would not ostracize him. They promised him friendship and an equal shot with immunity to get farther in the game. I don't blame him one bit. Now Jim and Ozzy will have to fend for themselves and try to figure a way to avoid Redemption...Coach, for the first time, is in complete charge of the game.
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Nerovh
Member
06-12-2005
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 3:29 am
I haven't seen any evidence on the show of Cochran's intelligence. He just threw away any chance of winning at all. Any of his old tribe will NEVER vote for him if they are on the jury, and the other tribe will vote for one of their own. Plus all that running around begging Coach and the other tribe to "protect" him? Why the heck can't he protect himself? That's a big reason why I can't stand him. If you're going to screw people over, at least own it and don't try to hide behind stronger people. He may well get to the finals because everyone will know he can't win, but it will feel like Phillip from last season all over again.
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Gumby
Member
08-14-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 4:22 am
Sea, Cochran could only vote for Rick or Keith on the second vote. They weren't allowed to chose anyone else at that point.
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Whowhere
Member
07-16-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 5:01 am
I see evidence of Cochran's intelligence just based on how he speaks. I wouldn't judge his smarts on this latest move. I concur with everyone who say they don't blame him for doing what he did based on how his "team" has treated him thus far. Last night was the first night I saw Cochran being himself and not a guy trying to prove himself to a bunch of people who think they are better than him. I think it's smart to align yourself with people who seem to like and respect you - even if your days are numbered. Would you rather spend less time with people who make you feel good about yourself or spend maybe one additional week with people who make you feel inadequate? Besides, this move of his does not guarantee he will go any sooner than he would had he not switched. This is Survivor - anything can happen and since we know he's an uber fan, HE knows that too. Remaining aligned with his old tribe would be something that we EXPECT a Cochran-type person to do (bow down and do what other people tell him to do), so I'm happy that he went out of his comfort zone and turned on them. Hubby and I were high-fiving after the last Keith vote was read. I like Cochran and am pulling for him, Albert and Sophie. I like his lily white, semi-freckled skin too. And, I loved loved loved Brandon sticking up for him. Who knew he could be so quick-witted and say what he did to Jim at tribal? I felt proud. Go Brandon!!
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 5:23 am
It does seem that Cochran's tribe treated him poorly because he was perceived as the weakling of the group and socially awkward. Instead of voting him out they kept him around, over Elyse, Mark and Semhar. So now they have to deal with him turning. Does Cochran have a chance at winning any of the upcoming challenges, unlikely but stranger things have happened. Brandon did stand up for Cochran and for that I dislike Brandon a little less. How could Jim, Keith, Ozzy, Whitney expect Cochran to stand by them after the way they've treated him. I loved how Albert and Coach instantly saw through Ozzy's poor acting skills. LOL I doubt that the 6 strong are going to stay that way until the end. Cochran will always be better off with Coach and team than with Ozzy and his team.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 5:23 am
How do we know the others like or respect Cochran? How could they really trust him? If he is so intelligent, he knows that.. and if he is that intelligent, I would have hoped he would have prepared ahead of time by building up some skills. He could have gone to a gym without risking being in the sun. I don't see him having an equal chance.. had he stayed with his tribe, he wasn't the target this week so he'd be fifth in their lineup. Instead he's seventh and definitely a target and again who's to say he won't flip again? (though I can see coach and Brandon expecting that he will be so grateful that he will be loyal, but then others on that team will worry that Cochran would stay longer than they would and then perhaps target him) I wonder if he considers Jeff Probst to be one of his attackers? I certainly don't enjoy him one bit. (But I do also boycott Woody Allen, so the resemblance isn't endearing for me)
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 5:29 am
Well said Whowhere! Why should Cochran be expected to have loyalty for people that have clearly had no respect for him, no matter what he did? From the gitgo. However, he did the honest thing in giving Ozzy back his HII. I think that move will go over BIG time with Coach & Brandon. Might help pull Cochran into the fold (like weakling loyal Edna) in being protected.
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Sean
Member
02-26-2011
| Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 5:41 am
Here is my recap of Wednesday's episode: Survivor South Pacific Recap: "The Worst Double Agent Ever: http://sfurfaro.blogspot.com/2011/11/survivor-south-pacific-recap-worst.html
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