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Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, November 04, 2011 - 4:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Yeah, what Kitt said.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Friday, November 04, 2011 - 5:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
They didn't save him week after week. The second loss they voted off a weaker player (the one who actually lost the challenge). The next loss they voted off Ozzie's cuddle buddy, and Ozzy had a fit (otherwise Cochran would have been voted off). The last loss, Ozzie threw himself into Redemption island, as a 'big move.'

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Friday, November 04, 2011 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Ditto Kitt!!! Well said. :-)

Whoami
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08-02-2001

Friday, November 04, 2011 - 6:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
Ditto Kitt too! Very good insight on the idea that they will target the person perceived as the weak player as the cause to all their problems.

I worked Quality Control in a manufacturing plant, in the finished goods dept. One of the production lines had a girl with Downs working at the end of the line in packaging. Any time we took anything back to their line, they all blamed the rejected items on her. I finally had to take the supervisor aside and tell him that I didn't want to hear who did what, that it was his responsibility to just get the defects fixed. I also specifically told him I didn't want to ever hear him blaming "Nancy" again, as it was obvious most of the rejects were in areas of the production line she wasn't even involved in. Of course, he was just as bad (if not worse) than most of the people in his line in blaming her. Which is why I started including in my QC reports what the defect was, where "Nancy" was at the time, and whether it was even possible for her to have had a hand in causing the defect.

What's infuriating is, these kinds of bullies seem to think that the people they target in this way are too oblivious or stupid to realize what is being done to them. But it was clear with "Nancy," as they had her in tears one day when she too was pointing out the defect was nowhere near the part of the product she touched.

To the bullies of the world. Take it from an expert. We are very, VERY aware of the snitty little remarks, the exchanged looks, rolled eyes, etc. Its just that most of the time we'd have to lower ourselves to your level in order to call you on it and turn it into an argument. And frankly, you just aren't worth my time in that regard.

Oh, and it was JP, not Phil that blamed Cochran on the rope/knot thing.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Friday, November 04, 2011 - 6:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
WHO, picture me giving you a standing ovation. Way to go girl. You totally rock!

Mimi
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04-30-2009

Friday, November 04, 2011 - 7:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mimi a private message Print Post    
Whoami you rock!

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, November 04, 2011 - 9:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Cochran is a very very intelligent person. He is also fair enough that he realizes when he has a part in something. So when he contributed to a loss, he would acknowledge it and beat himself up over it.

But he never pointed out to the tribe the other people who also contributed to it. He is smart enough to know that the only reaction to him doing so would be to accuse him of being a crybaby and trying to blame others. It is just impossible to defend yourself in those situation. Damned it you do and damned if you don't

So he just kept his mouth shut and took the abuse even when it was unfair.

But inside he knew what was going on and it had to just eat at him. Until we can be in his shoes, we can't know how frustrating it must have been.

It is the mob mentality. We see it on these types of shows all the time. If someone else is being blamed, then by all means pile on and don't draw attention to yourself because someone might turn that spotlight on you. And they are right, that is exactly what would happen. That is why Dawn did not take up for Cochran. It was self preservation. But her confessional about it shows there was probably even more abuse than we saw on the show.

Let's face it, Cochran was an easy target.

And the sad thing is that his tribe mates don't even seem to realize what they were doing. They are all full of righteous indignation, which is just laughable.

The worm has turned, power to the worm!

Hypermom
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08-12-2001

Friday, November 04, 2011 - 9:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
Lost, so you think Dawn was lying when she said she should have spoke up for Cochran every time against her other tribe members?

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 6:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
I find Cochran uncomfortable to watch. I'm not particularly fond of him, but I don't dislike him either. I'm really interested, however, in watching how what he did plays out. This is so much more fascinating than had someone drawn the darn rock.

That said, I am one of the faculty advisors at my school to Rachel's Challenge, an anti-bullying, pay kindness forward movement in memory of Rachel Scott from Columbine. If Cochran was one of my high school students being treated this way, it would be a concern and a situation in which we would be hoping to get other students more comfortable in stepping in and speaking up for him, and others like him. I find it interesting to look at it from that perspective. I know Survivor isn't high school, but does how we should treat each other ever really change?

Of course, I recognize if Survivor was kumbaya all the time, would any of us watch??

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 7:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
By the way, Whoami, that was a lovely, from-the-heart post. Thank you for sharing.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 7:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Putting bullying aside. IMO, not wanting to pull a rock, especially when Cochran knows he is the lowman on the Ozzyteam was a no brainer. Regardless if he became the lowman on teamCoach he'd still basically be in the same position but at least he'd have a chance.

I don't understand why TeamOzzy would feel that Cochran doesn't have a right to play his best strategy. Do they (TeamOzzy) think that Cochran is there simply to be a number for their side to ensure others on the team can go further?

The name calling at the end of tribal was just poor emotional maturity and perhaps an indication that what Dawn said about the team saying very rude things to Cochran is true. It just proved that TeamOzzy isn't in a good place emotionally. If you can't hold your emotions in...well that immaturity will show in other aspects of the game.

Cochran gave back the Idol and fessed up right off the bat that he was the defining vote. To me both instances show a level of maturity and honesty, something not always seen on Survivor.

Sure Cochran isn't physically strong nor is he what Americans would consider handsome in a GQ way but would we be talking so much about his looks or strength if he was a female. I'm thinking if a not very pretty woman in a Madison Ave way, with very fair skin and no discernible muscle mass was talked to the way Cochran has been, well we'd be screaming bloody murder.

Solitaryphoenix
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11-08-2008

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Solitaryphoenix a private message Print Post    
ITA, Lilfair. They do think he's there to be an expendable place-marker that they can use and vote out when he's not needed any longer.

Hypermom
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08-12-2001

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
I just finished listening to the RTVZone recap of Survivor. Eliza brought up that Cochran was not allowed to sleep in the shelter.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
HM, that hurts my heart. Unless he had an extreme snoring or flatulence problem, that's just not right!

Hypermom
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08-12-2001

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
Mame, that wasn't mentioned. But, even if he did have those problems, it's not like the rest of them are perfect either, imo. :-)

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 5:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
That must be why he asked Coach where he would sleep.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 5:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
That is interesting. I could not figure out why he asked where he would sleep.

Why aren't they showing us any of this?

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 6:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Who is Eliza? Is she a hostess on that show?

Sammi
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03-31-2008

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 7:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sammi a private message Print Post    
Everyone is always saying how smart Corcoran is. I have yet to see any evidence of it. He has never been able to solve any type of puzzels they have had and he couldn't seem to figure out how to fix that rope during the challenge. So how come everybody thinks he is so smart??

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
While I cannot speak for "everybody," the reason I think Cochran is so smart is because he is a Harvard Law student. You have to have some smarts to be accepted into Harvard and even more smarts to be accepted into their law school.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 10:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
I agree, Mamabatsy. He does have some redeeming qualities.....just not in the looks and brawn departments. I'd rather watch him try to play the game than some of the women they've had on this show that relied totally on their cleavage and feminine wiles.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 4:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
Everybody is smart, each in their own way.

Fayc
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01-16-2010

Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 4:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fayc a private message Print Post    
I always think that too Dogdoc untill I drive in rush hour. lol

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 6:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
Well, there are some exceptions. lol

Calimom3
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07-12-2007

Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 5:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calimom3 a private message Print Post    
With all the praise for Hantz 2.0 sticking up for Cochran---- too bad Michalya wasn't given the same respect. I thought his bullying of her was extremely uncalled for, and everything he was accusing her of was all in HIS head... :-/