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Jewels
Member
09-22-2000
| Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 5:02 pm
Exactly, Jimmer. 
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 5:10 pm
I seriously doubt that Sophie, Dawn and Albert would have stayed loyal to Coach. They have stayed loyal. They could have dumped him the last two weeks, but instead they dumped Cochran and Edna. I don't think it would have been any different.
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Konamouse
Member
07-15-2001
| Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 5:17 pm
Also, Ozzie TOLD Cochran to play the double-agent, to go to Coach's side and pretend to want to change loyalties, to garner information Coach saw how he was treated by his own team and knew exactly what to say. Combination of Ozzie et al pushing him away, and Coach holding open arms.

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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 6:08 pm
The whole idea of making someone a double agent, though, is that you trust them. Rather than use that trust to his advantage--the ousted player could have learned some information to his advantage first and his tribe secondarily--he chose to not think particularly strategically and, eventually, was tossed out sooner than he would have been if he had used that trust advantage. And, because he misused the trust Ozzy imbued him with, he considers his former tribemates "a bunch of...jerks"! Also, Dawn was never loyal to Coach. She, like Jim (whose personality I hate) always demonstrated they were willing to take smart, considered chances to change the trajectory of the game. Elyse's ouster, remember, was Jim's idea and Dawn was more than happy to go along. But there is a difference between smart, considered game-changing votes that can help you and ill-conceived votes that leave you in a worse position than make you feel "humiliated," "insulted," and worse off than you otherwise would have been.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 6:16 pm
The double agent ploy failed due to Ozzy's laughably poor acting. Cochran had nothing to work with as a result.
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Sportsfan
Member
09-03-2007
| Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 7:31 pm
The only reason Sophie and Albert stayed loyal to Coach was there was no one to switch over to. Cochrane and Edna were both useless, neither one could win a single thing or even come anywhere but last for Pete's sake. No one in their right mind would align with them against the stronger players. As for Cochrane being annoying and the others not being tolerant. I could not image how torturous it would be stuck with him on an island 24/7 for over a month. They deserve medals in my opinion. I hope we never have to suffer through his blathering again. (in case you haven't noticed he really really bothered me lol)
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, December 12, 2011 - 9:14 am
I can honestly tell you that attorneys like Cochran are the WORST people ever to work for.
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Toolhound
Member
06-22-2007
| Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 2:38 am
Maybe some of you forgot that Ozzy saved Cochran when he went to redemption Island or Cochran would have probably been out of the game a long time ago. Then Cochran stabbed Ozzy in the back. To me this has been the season of stupid plays and if I was at the Ponderosa Cochran would not be able to sleep at night.He cost then a chance to win One Million Dollars and it takes a while for that sting to go away.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 7:21 am
You make it sound like Ozzy "saved" Cochran for some altruistic reason out of the goodness of his heart. Ozzy went to Redemption Island because he thought it would further his game and be a cool looking memorable move - not because he cared one bit about Cochran. All of those people would have kicked Cochran to the curb the second they thought it would improve their chance of winning. And rightly so. They're just upset because Cochran did it first.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 8:06 am
Exactly Jimmer. Ozzy went to RI to feed his own ego. It had nothing to do with "saving" Cochran. It was a failed plan to fool the other tribe, send in a "spy". Also allows Ozzy to show his prowess at the challenges there. Nothing altruistic about it AT ALL.
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 8:34 am
I still think it is odd that people think Cochran plays the victim. I'm not saying he doesn't. However, the rest of his tribe members, who are so vehemently blaming him for their loss of a million dollars sound very much like they have the victim mentality as well. I still believe that people don't take enough responsibility for themselves and their actions and want to blame others, very often the "weaker" one in the pecking order of life, so that they can feel exonerated. Enough already, everyone played the game and made choices. Now they have to live with those choices.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 8:35 am
The real question is, since Jim, Keith and Whitney have all said they wanted Cochran to go to final 3 with them...would they have really voted him out or would Dawn have made the walk of shame? I guess we'll never know.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 12:16 pm
Where are our Ponderose clips from last night!!
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Lorie
Member
08-29-2003
| Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 2:41 pm
have we seen Edna at Ponderosa?
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 3:02 pm
Not up yet.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 6:31 pm
I just checked too & they're still not up. I'm dying to watch them, wonder why it's taking so long.
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Roblover
Member
05-17-2011
| Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 6:50 pm
Ozzy is on Redemption Island because it is really the best place for him to be. He does not have to annoy any members by voting them off and he does not have to interact with them, other than to feed them when they come to Redemption Island. In other words he is not making any enemies. If you have good wilderness skills, Redemption Island is the place to be. It was made for Ozzy! I wish they would get rid of Redemption Island.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 6:53 pm
Roblover, I would add that at Redemption, he only has to beat one person in each competition. If he was with the tribe, he would be competing against multiple people at the same time.
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Jewels
Member
09-22-2000
| Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 8:34 pm
Could this somehow mean that Edna didn't actually go to Ponderosa? I don't read spoilers and don't want to know anything, but it's awfully strange that the videos aren't up....hmmmmmmmm.....
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 8:42 pm
I faithfully read the spoilers, and there is nothing there that gives any clue about why the Ponderosa clips are so tardy! Just so you know -
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 9:49 pm
Holidays and the person who posts them is on vacation? Here's hoping they all get posted promptly after Sunday's show.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 1:17 am
Not sure why they're not on cbs.com yet but this week's Ponderosa clips are on YouTube: Edna Pt. 1 Edna Pt. 2
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 1:28 am
Thanks ever so much, Spear, for getting those over here.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 2:04 am
Hey, just checked and they are FINALLY on CBS too: http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/2177220552/south-pacific-ponderosa-edna-pt-1 http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/2177220567/south-pacific-ponderosa-edna-pt-2 ETA: I had been checking YT as well, nice that Spear caught it though.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 2:28 am
Sweet! I was hoping that they would treat Edna kindly and Cochran might find a friend. Yep, they all embraced her. Sweet.
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