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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 10:53 am
As well, the point is that different things are more offensive to different people and one has to at least partially consider the intent of the person saying it.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 11:11 am
I agree Karuuna about it all being a bit overblown. The title of the ep was something about Cults and several cast members have spoken aobut how Coach was like the leader of the cult and his team are all the followers. The Manson family was a cult and that's how I took Cochran's comments about it - in the vein of being in a cult atmosphere and the next victim of this cult. Was it in poor taste? Maybe. Socially inept? Yes, I would say that's Cochran. I didn't see any malicious intent or disrespect to victims of Manson or Jonestown.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 11:33 am
Well, I'm just sitting in a chair and posting an opinion about what I personally find offensive, so I wouldn't characterize it as "overblown' for me. It isn't like I'm posting hate messages on his facebook or advocating against him in any way. I already accept that it is likely he will continue to get lots of air time, whether he wins or loses over Ozzy in a "duel or truel", on or off the jury and that we'll have to hear much more from and about him at the finale and that we may see him in other seasons and personally, I'd rather never hear from or about him again, but it is a pretty miled, shrug of the shoulder reaction, IMO. I'm not going to stop watching the show or throw a shoe at my tv. Maybe I think some reactions are a bit too accepting, but I wouldn't say that, since those are valid reactions as well.
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Yankeefan1955
Member
08-01-2008
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 11:41 am
How do you know the Whitney cheated? and how pompous is coach, I am didliking him more and more, like God really wants him to win.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 11:45 am
Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, and to provide counter arguments to opinions as well. The point I'm making is that I think it's over-analysis of what he said and what he meant. And I base that on *many* examples of Cochran saying things that are inappropriate and socially inept. To me, it was just another example of his lack of skill in that area, so yes, I think that reading more into it than that is likely an overblown explanation of his mental state and intent. There's no reason to ascribe more to it than his general social clumsiness, of which we have dozens of examples. JMO.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 11:52 am
I concur, Karuuna, I concur 
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 11:58 am
Yeah... what Karuuna said.
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Holly
Member
07-21-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 1:27 pm
It's beginning to feel like a Big Brother thread in here 
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 1:41 pm
LOL Holly!
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 1:58 pm
I agree Karuuna about it all being a bit overblown. The title of the ep was something about Cults and several cast members have spoken aobut how Coach was like the leader of the cult and his team are all the followers. The Manson family was a cult and that's how I took Cochran's comments about it - in the vein of being in a cult atmosphere and the next victim of this cult. Was it in poor taste? Maybe. Socially inept? Yes, I would say that's Cochran. I didn't see any malicious intent or disrespect to victims of Manson or Jonestown. ITA To me, the prayer meetings are more disrespectful than references that seemed to be more about the cult status than the deaths.
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 2:11 pm
Sometimes I feel like I'm watching a totally different show than some of you. Cochran is neither icky nor deplorable in my opinion. Sure hes made some questionable moves and remarks but I think hes a good kid, socially awkward maybe? I'm sorry to see him go. I liked his confessionals..sure, some were cringeworthy but some had me laughing out loud..I'll miss him.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 2:12 pm
seemed to be more about the cult status than the deaths That might work if he hadn't compared himself to Sharon Tate, but he did. Sharon wasn't about the cult, but about the carnage the cult produced. I'd also add that Cochran seems very literate re: pop culture--that's one of the reasons his speech at tribal council seemed to me to be borrowing directly from Brando's speech in Apocalypse Now ("You're a delivery boy, collecting a bill, for a bunch of grocery clerks"), even though it was edited down, rather than something extemporaneous--and the reference to Ms Tate/Mr Buglioi's book was obviously a knowing one. He knew who Ms Tate was, what happened to her at the hands of the Manson clan, etc. It all fits with his previous references to women as b**ches, so it doesn't make my feelings toward him any worse than they were before; it just gives a rounder portrait of what I'd already seen.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 2:15 pm
Cinnamongirl, I'm surprised at all the venom toward Cochran as well. I think he is a good kid too, a bit awkward, but I also find him amusing and funny. But I like off beat, cutting edge, what some would call rude humor. Southpark and such are right up my alley. I've enjoyed Cochran's confessionals. I hate to think what this season would have been with just Ozzy's and Coach's ego-ridden confessionals. Cochran provided the much needed humor!
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Hypermom
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 2:38 pm
I like Cochran. He's a square peg trying to fit into a round hole, imo. He's not pretty....no posters are drooling over him as they do Ozzie. It's just that Cochran ruined things for Ozzie, so his fan club doesn't like him. ::shrug:: It makes me wonder if Ozzie, Albert, etc. had made the comments, would there be three pages about it? lol
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 3:18 pm
If I had to choose, I'd rather spend time with Cochran than either Ozzy or Coach. Cochran just seems to be a regular person who is socially awkward, but harmless. I think some of the things he's said that rub people the wrong way are things that one might say among close friends but not in public.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Friday, December 02, 2011 - 8:48 pm
I almost forgot, but here's the 2nd interview from my fav exit interview site: Exclusive: Dawn Meehan talks about 'Survivor: South Pacific' http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-dawn-meehan-talks-about-survivor-south-pacific-12930.php
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Sunday, December 04, 2011 - 5:05 am
Wow 6 men and 2 women left. In past years weren't there usually more women than men at the end? Didn't the women get together and pick the men off? I could be wrong.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, December 04, 2011 - 6:01 am
The only strong female alliance that I can remember was put together by Parvati several seasons ago -
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Sunday, December 04, 2011 - 8:41 am
To me, Cochran is just another one of those law students who stays up all night trying to think up ridiculous, unrealistic questions with which to trip up the professor. In the meantime, the rest of the class puts their heads in their hands just knowing that they're going to lose 15 minutes of learning to his dumbassery and relentless need for attention. He's like Horseshack with an IQ. Cochran gives me unpleasant law school flashbacks. The Socratic method of learning is difficult enough without a Cochran throwing a monkey wrench into every class.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Sunday, December 04, 2011 - 9:59 am
LMAO about Horshack. What would Welcome Back Kotter have been without him? 
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Toolhound
Member
06-22-2007
| Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - 2:10 am
Horseshack with an IQ.LOL. That is the perfect description of Cochran.
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