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Hermione69
Member
07-23-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 10:25 am
If anyone from Redemption Island wins, my personal feeling is that it will be a real travesty to the core concepts of what Survivor was built on. I will be extremely disappointed in an RI person winning. They've allowed RI to stay relevant too long into the game and it's striking me as colossally unfair at this point. I think some people may be letting their personal feelings about Matt and how likable he is impact how they would normally react to RI. Ask yourself this, if Matt and Rob were in each other's shoes, would you feel Rob deserved to win if he was voted off twice and came back in this late in the game to win it all? I wouldn't. JMHO.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 10:29 am
Hermi, I agree with you 100%! Redemption Island should have ended with the merge.
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Hermione69
Member
07-23-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 10:37 am
And yes, I realize the producers have the right to do what they want, but they are messing with a formula that has worked for over 20 seasons, a formula that, no matter who has won at the end, people have felt was fair. This not only does not feel fair, but it feels like they are dangerously close to just creating a new game altogether. YMMV. 
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 10:37 am
That's the point isn't it - it might be ok if Matt gets a free pass into the final three (I'd hate it, but there are a significant number here who want it) but what if it's one of the other RI people, like Ralph? The producers should have thought it through, and for that reason if no other, I think they won't do it. I think it'll get down to four main people and four on RI, and at the beginning of the next episode (which will be the start of finale day) the four at RI will dual (qual) and the winner will go back to the tribe to make five again, and then they'll do the normal five to four to final three challenges. What's possible though, if the final four are intent on getting someone (say Rob or Grant) out, and forget about the returning RIer. I can see them seeing Mike or Matt as a returning threat, but if it were Ralph or Andrea they might be ignored. Depends who's out fifth too. just rambling
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:07 am
Lost, they may not be able to vote out the person that makes it back from RI. That person might win immunity and get into the finals. (or get right into the finals...terrible scenario imo) That is why I think Mike made the decision that would benefit him best in his best case scenario.
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:08 am
I think Kitt has got it right. The finale will start with a dual and the RI winner will be back an number 5. Then 2 Immunity competitions and 2 tribal councils to get down to 3. Then the regular questioning and voting for the winner. That's already a lot to fit in 2 hours. They would have to do 2 more RI duals to bring the player back into the final 3. That would basically be 5 competitions and 2 tribal councils before even getting to the questioning part of the final 3. There's just not enough time.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:09 am
Brenda described it very well when she said it's like a mini-tribe with one person getting eliminated each time. It totally detracts from the significance of Tribal Council. Now the people don't even have to win to avoid elimination from Redemption Island. I was okay with it being a duel but this mini-tribe thing is silly IMO. And people getting multiple chances to go back into the game. Seriously? Redemption Island was a novel concept but once Matt came back that should have been where it ended.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:25 am
This game doesn't make any sense to me. It's all about Rob, nothing else, just bc this is his 4th time at the game, doesn't mean he deserves to win. Like others have said, I also think he has a huge advantage over everyone. If this was his first season, things would be different, but it's like putting a forest ranger against a cub scout, the outcome is predictable. I would rather have seen him against his Survivor peers again, but then the last time they eliminated him, so. The followers are just handing Rob the game, they still do what he says, ridiculous. I think Redemption is a bust too, unless they will make a new tribe, but that doesn't seem likely at this point. I don't know why Mike let the followers see their loved ones, but at least he was able to do something in the game, maybe it will help him later on. It would still be great to see Matt beat Rob at Redemption island, but it doesn't seem likely this point, though you never know. It would also be great if Mike or Ralph were in the final two, like Steve said, their tribes' votes would go to their tribe, that would be an interesting outcome.
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Bbpeach
Member
07-07-2005
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:27 am
At this point in the game, whomever can win the rest of the RI duels to get back in the game, yes, they would "deserve" to be in the F3, much more than either Ashley or Natalie, who IMHO have done absolutely nothing, aside from kissing up to Rob, to be there. We've not seen them do anything physically or strategically to prove they are playing a game at all. They are simply there to take a ride on the Rob train. One could argue the same with Philip, tho I give him some credit for whatever crazy strategy he thinks he's playing. I also give Grant credit in that many of the tribe challenges that Ometepe won, was mostly due to him. As for the Outwit part of the game, as much as I dislike him, Rob is the only one that had any smarts about him at all, unless somebody wises up and takes him out. Having said all that, I'm a firm believer in whoever gets there deserves to be there, regardless of how they got there. If the game is set up to allow that final RI winner to enter at F3, so be it.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:29 am
It's crazy that there are still 9 players in this game who have a chance of winning, but only 2 eps left! I don't think it's obvious at all the Rob will win. I think it's a long shot. No one is going to want him at the end. He'll have to get there entirely on his own.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:30 am
For me RI was a big failure. It had potential but in the end I think it mucked the game up. I hope this is the only season we'll see it. I'm still baffled that no one is talking about the HI. Jeff asks about at each tribal council. I'm not the biggest Rob fan but seeing him give his complete all in that challenge made me more of a fan. He has played a good game but I think he was lucky to be put on a team of yes men and women. I always got a kick (in a weird way) out of Phil until he played the race card. It seems like he's been playing the role of the obnoxious one but I feel he could have done it without bringing in race. Anyway I wouldn't mind seeing him in the F2 regardless of who is sitting next to him.
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Hermione69
Member
07-23-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:37 am
If being there before is such a huge advantage, why is Russell still not around? Because people knew him and how he would play. Just like with Rob. I think Rob and Russell both came in at a distinct disadvantage. Every single person there already knew them and their style of play. Rob should have been long gone, first out, just like Russell, and it is a testament not to his survival skills, but his people skills that he not only stayed, but emerged as the one running the show. Most of us who think he deserves to win are not looking at his past performance, but his performance this time, and really, that is all we should be looking at. He's been astonishing at getting people to do what he wants them to do. I can understand not liking that "style," but to say he doesn't deserve to win just because he gets on your nerves or you don't like him really does him a disservice in my opinion. At first, I didn't want him to win either. I was rooting for the other tribe for booting Russell and wanted to see them take out Rob at the merge. When that didn't happen, I was really hoping to see the girls join Steve and take out Rob. But I'm sold now. I totally think Rob deserves it this time. At least as things are now. He could blow it still.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:38 am
Yes. The HII is the elephant in the room isn't it? Why is no one saying anything about it? Why aren't they looking for it? Why is it never addressed? Rob had a big advantage which is experience but he also had the disadvantage of the other people knowing all about him and his game. See Russell for how well that worked out.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:41 am
I don't want to see Russell thank you very much! 
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Hermione69
Member
07-23-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:45 am
I'm a firm believer in whoever gets there deserves to be there, regardless of how they got there. Bppeach, I am usually like that, too. I remember arguing for Vee deserving the win when many, many did not think she did. Whatever gets you there and however you get the votes is valid. A lot of people have won Survivor who I did not like much, but as I look back over previous winners, there is not one person I feel didn't deserve it or that it wasn't fair. I just cannot get behind RI influencing the game this late, though. LOL. As if that wasn't already obvious! Will be interesting to see what they do next season.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 12:09 pm
I think the producers fell in love with RI and the viewers didn't. I think it had its place up through the point where Matt came back in the game, but now it is still hanging around (filled with a lot of players that we really don't care much about) and they are still hanging onto it and we are sick of it...kind of like the guy you used to date that your mother still invites to family dinners when you have moved way past him!
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 12:12 pm
LOL, Roxip, that's an excellent way to put it!
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Hermione69
Member
07-23-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 12:12 pm
Hahahahaha!
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 12:13 pm
Russell also had an advantage, he's gone bc of it. One tribe took a chance and got rid of someone with an advantage, the other just followed. If any of the followers are in the final 3, what can they say about how they played the game? At least with Russell, that tribe made a move, they did something, they didn't just follow.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 12:28 pm
if Matt gets to the finals, and he is able to convince people to vote for him, having not been really in the main game, then I would consider that "outwitting". 
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Hermione69
Member
07-23-2002
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 12:36 pm
I wouldn't. I think if Matt gets the the finals, he's gonna win because he didn't have to do any real outwitting. I would consider that people being sore losers that they were outwitted by the others. 
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Sallycat22
Member
08-31-2005
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 12:47 pm
Phillip said that he had something he was going to say that would turn the vote against Rob in the end. He was giddy over his genius plan. I admit I would like to hear it.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 1:00 pm
Would you trust anything Phillip said to be as witty and insightful as he claims it to be? I know I wouldn't. I think if there is any element of truth to Phillip being irritating on purpose so that the others think he would be good to stand against at the end, he has overlooked the fact that being irritating makes you someone no one will vote for. I think the sheep have some good arguments if they get to the final two/three but I hope they wouldn't beat Rob. . They all knew Rob was good with puzzles and would help Ometepe win challenges . They all knew Rob would make good strategic moves and recognise weak players, so if they aligned with him they would benefit from that . They knew if they showed any disloyalty to him, or were caught making alliances against him he had the wits to boot them . They knew if they stayed loyal to Rob and each other and won challenges they were more or less assured to get to the final six Although they looked like sheep, they all made wise decisions up until all the Zaps were Pagonged. How they get/got themselves from the six to the final three is what they're really going to have to sell, to make it sound better than what Rob can (truthfully) claim he's done all through the game.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 1:08 pm
I think the reason RI has dragged out this long is they probably shelled out a lot of money building that arena and Mark Burnett wants to get his money's worth out of it.
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Lostfan
Member
03-10-2010
| Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 1:19 pm
At this point in the game, whomever can win the rest of the RI duels to get back in the game, yes, they would "deserve" to be in the F3, much more than either Ashley or Natalie, who IMHO have done absolutely nothing, aside from kissing up to Rob, to be there. I absolutly agree with you here .... Matt deserves to win over either of those 2 girls. They ahve done absoultly nothing but hide behind rob there protector ...lol also, why is it that poeple keep saying the RI guy will enter at F3? Is that in a spoiler page somewhere? just curious. This game doesn't make any sense to me. It's all about Rob, nothing else, just bc this is his 4th time at the game, doesn't mean he deserves to win I agree ... sick of watching the rob show. He has 4x the experiance than anyone else. I hope someone else wins this. I would love to see Rob and Matt in F3 and Matt win it! 
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