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Ep. 5 - October 13, 2010 "Turf Wars"...

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Alaginger
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 4:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Thanks to Survivor Fever for pics and transcript for Episode 5:
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Transcript:

Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor, NaOnka becomes her own worst enemy.

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NaOnka [talking to Alina?]: I'm hurtin'. It's killing me.

Probst: And Marty's million dollar dream ride...

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Marty [camera confessional]: It would take something extraordinary, completely whacked out to disturb my plan.

Probst: ...grinds to a halt.

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Probst [at tribal lineup]: Drop your buffs. It is a brand new game.

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Marty: I was definitely not counting on this.

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 4:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Pulling this over from the General Spoilers because it now pertains to Episode 5. This is the episode where the tribal swap takes place. So far I have no idea which of these groups will be called New Espada and which will be called New LaFlor.
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"After the swap, these are the tribes.

Brenda Lowe
Kelly Shinn
Fabio (Jud)
Sash (Matthew)
Kelly Bruno
Marty
Jill
Jane

VS

Naonka Mixon
Benry (Ben)
Chase
Alina
Yve
Holly
Tyronne
Danny

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 5:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
So far this is all we have from Missyae about Episode 5:
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Missyae comments about EP5:

"There is a lot coming next week. Hard to imagine how they are gonna get all of this in 1 episode. All the way from how the swap is done, the new tribe dynamics and who is running scared and on tough turf, how and why the boots happen. Gonna be a very busy hour next week!"
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Ginger: We were told a long time ago, and it was mentioned in the General Spoiler Thread, that at some point there would be a double boot. From Missyae's current statement, it looks like the swap and the double boot are going to take place in Episode 5. We were also told (previously) that the double boot would both be female.

When I find out which tribe is which, and also who the double boots are, I'll bring it over. One of them has to be Yve, and the other will be between Kelly B. or Jill (and I'm guessing Kelly B.) because it has been spoiled that she gets blindsided by her previous LaFlor mates, and it's because they think if she gets to the Finals she would win the sympathy vote. We have heard that said more than once in the previous episodes.

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 5:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Brought this over from TDT:
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According to missyae at Sucks (posted prior to Ep2's airing), these are the re-shuffled tribes:

Tribe 1 (5-3 La Flor advantage): Brenda, Kelly S, Jud, Sash, Kelly B; Marty, Jill, Jane

Tribe 2 (even 4-4 split): NaOnka, Ben, Chase, Alina; Yve, Holly, Tyrone, Dan

TDT: From the extremely poorly buff-o-matic job on Alina and NaOnka in the post-Ep4 preview of Ep5, it's clear that Tribe 2 above is New Espada, which means tribe 1 is New La Flor.

Ginger: TDT is referring to this picture:
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They claim that the buffs are altered to throw us off, and that they are actually blue for Espada. As far as I know, Missyae has confirmed the swap make-up, but I don't think she has clarified which is Espada and which is LaFlor. But, for right now, TDT makes this claim, and I notice that Krautboy over at Survivor Blows is going with that.

Still some controversy as to whether this is a double boot or not, but I'll keep you poster.

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 5:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Jeff's Blog of Episode 4:
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LIFE LESSONS
Jimmy T: (To Marty) “You preppy little b*tch. You wouldn’t last a minute in my world.”
You knew it was only a matter of time. Jimmy T wasn’t ever long for this game. I wonder if he understands why he was voted out? Does he realize the reason he was voted out is because it’s very difficult to be around him?
Jimmy T: “And I’m easy to get along with… I think.”
Hmm. Maybe not. Jimmy T, I know you mean well, I really do. You have a great spirit, but dude, you are tough to get along with. You were tough for me and I wasn’t living with you.
Had you been a major force in challenges, it certainly would have made you easier to tolerate, but it wouldn’t change the fact that it’s your inability to just listen… to just be….that really got you trouble.
INSIGHT: In case you are not aware, Jimmy T entered a Sears contest in which people applied online to be on the show. He won the Sears contest, so clearly a lot of people voted for him to be on the show. We were delighted he won, he’s a fantastic character. He was open with his opinions, he gave colorful interviews, and the sound of his voice and his look were quite memorable.
But still, I couldn’t do it. I just wouldn’t be able to do it. I would have voted him out too. This is yet another reason why Survivor is so difficult. It tests you on every level and your truth always comes out.
Consider the dilemma that the older tribe is facing. They have a major obstacle in Dan. Dan is of no use in any challenge and doesn’t do much around camp. But Dan isn’t a pain in the ass to live with. Dan is a pretty easy going guy and if he’s in your alliance he’ll vote whatever way you tell him to vote. In the world of Survivor this makes Dan more valuable than Jimmy T.
I’m a terrible analogy maker, but it doesn’t stop me … it would be like desperately not wanting a dog but being told you had to have one. No matter what dog you get, you know you will have to feed them, walk them, bathe them, etc.. but there is one choice you can make that will make a difference – you can choose between a dog who barks all day and a dog that doesn’t bark at all. Dan doesn’t bark. Jimmy T never stops.
That’s why Jimmy T is gone. He barks too much. There are so many life lessons offered up every week on this show. I really do find that I learn things about myself year in year out.
This season has forced me to go inward and study my own ego more than any season in recent memory.
Shannon, Jimmy T, Marty and Naonka have really caused me to consider my own annoying ego-driven traits. I often find myself wondering what I would do given the same situation. Would I behave any differently? How would I come across to the audience? Am I one of those “chuckleheads” Jimmy T referred to in his speech about Jimmy Johnson?
For all my criticism, I’m pretty sure I would have made the same moves as the older tribe has made. So why am I so annoyed with them as I write this? Well for one reason, I have a cramp. Hamstring. Right leg. My buddy told me to drink two ounces of pickle juice to get rid of it, so I did. Cramps still there. Now I’m wondering if he was putting me on.
HAS ANYBODY NOTICED JANE?
Jane is one of the bright spots on her tribe. She “gets it” on a very basic level. She doesn’t hoot and holler screaming for attention, but she is definitely playing the game.
Another person I think is playing a pretty quiet but solid game is Sash.
INSIGHT:
Before the game started, we met with everybody just to check in with them. I boldly told Sash he would be the first person from his tribe to be voted off. Clearly I was wrong, as Sash seems to be pretty solid for the moment. He’s playing a very good social game. He pops in, checks to make sure the vote is going the way he thinks it should go and then he is gone. Doesn’t make for the most interesting character, but he’s safe for the moment anyway.
NAONKA STRIKES GOLD
Just when I think all hope is lost… a Survivor miracle happens! Naonka finds the idol. Ya gotta love it, right?
Much like Jill did with Marty, Brenda practically gave the idol to Naonka by telling her where to look. Much like Marty did with Jill, Naonka took the information, found the idol and has no intention of sharing it with anybody.
Did it strike anybody else as odd that Brenda didn’t even really look for it? She just let Naonka find it. Am I missing something? Is this strategy? Do Jill and Brenda both feel it is better to not have the idol? It’s an interesting idea from a strategy point of view.
It really doesn’t matter if Naonka has the idol or not. You could give her immunity all the way to the end of the game. Wouldn’t matter. Naonka doesn’t understand a fundamental element of the game. In order to win, others must vote for you. It seems so basic but clearly it has escaped her thought process.
Naonka, at this point, has ZERO chance of winning the game. I don’t think she realizes that simply getting to the end is not the goal. Can she change? Absolutely. Could she become a hero and be forgiven? Absolutely. Do I think it will happen? Hang on, let me check my lottery ticket to see if I have a winner.
Nobody is going to vote for Naonka to win the million dollars, which, in another beautiful Survivor twist, makes Naonka a great person to take to the end.
MARTY THE STATEGIST
Occasionally Marty makes a good move. Nominating Tyrone to be in charge of challenges was brilliant. I loved it. It pissed Jimmy T off, which is what Marty intended and provoked Jimmy T into another outburst that led to his ouster. Marty is definitely a very good pot stirrer. My only criticism is that he still doesn’t see the forest for the trees. Like I said earlier, I’d probably have made the same moves he did, but for different reasons. That’s the key difference. The reasoning behind the decisions. But Marty could still win the game. He is very well spoken and if he makes it to the merge with any kind of an alliance he could do very well.
CHALLENGE
Well, I have to give the older tribe credit. They practiced at camp for hours trying to figure out a way to communicate with each other. But at the end of the day, the performance of the older tribe was pretty pathetic. They seemed to have a good system but when it came to game time, they just fell apart.
To be clear, when the younger tribe won, the older tribe was nowhere close to finishing. It was a disaster.
By the way – to Tyrone and anybody else reading this, there is no such thing as 110%. It doesn’t exist. You can’t give “110%.” 100%. That’s all you can give.
PERSONAL MOMENT
That was petty. Picking on Tyrone for saying 110% — it’s petty. He’s just trying to motivate his tribe. I get the intention. The truth is, sometimes I just don’t have that much to write about so I just start picking on people for no good reason. Like the way Dan sits down. It’s petty to pick on him for something he can’t help. Watching him kneel down like the Tin Man from The Wizard Of Oz is actually quite charming. The guy is out there giving it his all and here I sit in my cozy little house with the rain pouring down making fun of him. It’s petty. But I still do it.
CHASE HAS NO CLUE
So what would you have done if you were Brenda and Chase shared the clue for an idol that you knew Naonka already had? Would you play along and not tell Chase that the idol had already been found? Or do you tell him the truth like Brenda did? It’s a tough spot. Two alliances. It’s a big risk to not tell Chase, but now that Chase knows, the chances are that everybody will know. Brenda made a big move. One that I think I would have made as well.
Once again, for all my criticism of everybody, the truth is… thus far, they seem to be playing a very smart game.
Chase said it best…
CHASE: ‘You really can’t trust anybody in this game, but sometimes you have to.”
TRIBAL COUNCIL
They tried their best to rewrite history and convince themselves that they were much closer than they were in the challenge. But the real story of tribal council was the life lesson offered to Jimmy T.
INSIGHT:
Tribal council went much longer than we were able to air last night. It went for at least an hour and a half. I kept it going because Jimmy T was being given a real big dose of honesty by his tribemates.
There was some hard truth delivered to Jimmy T. I’m not sure if he took it to heart or not, but it’s rare when you get a group of people to tell you the absolute truth about how you are perceived. This group did that for Jimmy. It was a gift. They gave him the truth. I hope it landed.
It wasn’t ever going to save him from the vote. Even though a couple of them were starting to turn, I think it was too late for the majority. They’d simply had enough.
Maybe that’s what Jimmy T will take from Survivor – the life lesson that sometimes perception is reality.
Truth is, we’ll miss Jimmy T. It’s easy to complain about his non-stop bragging and annoying habits but that’s what made him so much fun to watch. He’s the guy you love to hate.
I’m so glad I’m the host and not a contestant.
See ya next week.

Bonbonlover
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 7:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Do Jeff's blogs seem to get snarkier as the years go on?

Denecee
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 10:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Yes and I love it! Only wish he would have ragged on Nayonka more, wow, I cannot believe her attitude toward Kelly and just how she lies to herself.

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 11:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Voting Booth Confessionals:
Thanks to Survivor Blows ---
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Holly (Dan): Dan, sorry about your shoes, I really am. You sat out 2 challenges and you're the weak one on the team. You need to go.

Dan (Jimmy T): Says nothing.

Yve (Jimmy T): Jimmy T, you just gotta trust you're enough. I am sorry. You really are a wonderful man.

Marty (Jimmy T): See you, pal. You made your first mistake within one hour of playing the game. You made your biggest and last mistake when you crossed me yesterday.

Jill (Jimmy T): You're a good guy and I'm sorry about tonight.

Jimmy T (Dan): You __? the least and you contributed the least. It's not my fault you didn't know how to make fire. I'm just trying to help you out, brother.

Jane (Dan): Danny, Danny, I love you to death and I can't wait to party with you. But right now, I do believe Jimmy T. is a little more athletic and will be stronger for the tribe. And his little antics don't bother me at all, 'cuz that's just the way I am. I take people with a grain of salt and I try to find humor in what everybody does, whether it's good or bad.

Tyrone (Jimmy T): Hi homie, the Jimmy T show is over. I encourage you to swallow your pride, become more vulnerable, accept your faults and try to move forward and learn from this so you can become a better human being.

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Lastest Missyae spoiler regarding Episode 5:
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“Okay, just joking. (Ginger: by joking, he is referring to the hint of the swap and the double boot being in the same episode. That joke caused a lot of people to do a lot of work for nothing, but to each their own.) Here you go. This week is only ONE boot. This week features TWO Captains making the selections for the new tribes. ONE captain has a big decision to make. Marty and Jill will have a tough time adjusting to their new tribemates. I dont know if they will start showing it this week but another player starts their juggling act going between two main alliance members. New bonds are made. NO double boot this week. This is not a joke. DOUBLE boot is the following week.”

“It is NOT the old way of alternating picks where you pick a player and then the next pick is made by them. ONE Captain per tribe makes all the selections.”


Alaginger
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Aha ........ more proof as to where NaOnka winds up after the swap:
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Here's a promo shot showing NaOnka wearing the blue buff of Espada, without CBS trying to doctor up the buff and pull the wool over our eyes. She is definitely on the NuEspada Tribe.

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Alaginger
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 3:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
CBS Misdirection Clues:
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10.07.2010
IN A SURPRISING TWIST, NEW TRIBES ARE FORMED AND THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE GENERATIONS COMES TO AN END, ON "SURVIVOR: NICARAGUA," WEDNESDAY, OCT. 13

"Turf Wars" - The newly formed tribes struggle to find their footing with some castaways making new allies and others seizing the opportunity to take a leadership role. Meanwhile, one castaway reaches an emotional low point as relentless rain storms batter the Nicaraguan coast, on SURVIVOR: NICARAGUA, Wednesday, Oct. 13 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.


Alaginger
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Missyae lets us know who the two captains are that do the schoolyard picking for the tribal swap:
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"The 2 Captains are Holly and Brenda"

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 6:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I hesitated to put this here, rather than the general spoiler section since I think it refers to the next 3 episodes, but since it is going to start in episode 5, I figured I better go ahead and laid it out for you here.
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Missyae: I say that Jill and Marty are going to have a tough time because they don't have the numbers where they land. Also Jane told off about them having the idol and pretty much everything that had happened at their camp. So it is all out there, no secrets. I have told you before, Jane does not like Marty and actually that is a bit of an understatement.

Tntitanfan
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Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
A totally extraneous question - should I be reading
Miss yae or Missy ea? Totally doesn't matter, but it has been bugging me so thought I would ask!

An OT question is how on earth were the team captains decided? Brenda - down with it! Holly????????????

Alaginger
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Friday, October 08, 2010 - 3:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
They probably reached in a bag and pulled a rock out...........that's my guess. Color rock is picker?

Alaginger
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Friday, October 08, 2010 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Thanks to Survivor Fever, transcript and pics for Episode 5:
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Transcript:
Announcer: Wednesday, the Survivor game is turned upside down.

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Jeff Probst: Old versus Young is done.
Announcer: New tribes form.
Ginger See Marty reaching to hug Captain Brenda, and Jane glad to see the young ones, and Naonka slinking off to the other tribe.}

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Jud: The old switcheroo.

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Jane [camera confessional]: I like these kids.
Announcer: But old conflicts remain.

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Marty [camera confessional]: I'm in control of this tribe.

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Brenda [camera confessional]: He's coming into our home and he's already setting up like he's the king.


Announcer: And the weather...

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Benry [camera confessional]: There's no shortage of rain.

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Naonka: I just want this to stop.
Announcer: ...will take it's toll.
Benry [camera confessional]: She's hanging on by a thread.

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Naonka: I really just want to go home.
Ginger: This is a very telling picture of Chase comforting NaOnka.

Alaginger
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Friday, October 08, 2010 - 7:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Also, thanks to Survivor Fever, the Episode 5 Challenge:
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Episode 5 Challenge - "Spit It Out"
John Kirhoffer/Challenges Producer: "We have a challenge coming up called "Spit It Out" which is probably the most inventive and the most fun challenge for the audience, at least, that we've ever seen. If you love roller coasters you're going to love "Spit It Out"."
(Source: TV Guide Channel)
Each tribe has a water wheel with 3 players strapped onto the wheel. Other tribemates push the wheel around and as the strapped in players are dunked on the downside they get a mouthful of water then as they are are pushed around onto the topside they spit the water into a funnel. The water is funneled down probably into buckets. First tribe to fill their bucket wins?

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Set-Up is high up on a platform.

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Espada set-up is Alina on left, Yve on right, and out of picture probably Holly, with at least Dan and Chase turning the wheel, and NaOnka in the background.

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Kelly B. on LaFlor (Jill is behind her, but I had to cut it out for the pic) - Actually in another pic you can see Sash and Jill and Marty behind turning the wheels.

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They had this one marked Alina, but I think
it is Yve with Dan behind.

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Purple Kelly spitting water

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Yve spitting water and here you can see the
funnel going to the bucket really well.

Lexie_girl
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Friday, October 08, 2010 - 7:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Jeff Probst rocks my world...

How is it possible after all these seasons, they are still able to come up with such unique challenges?

Alaginger
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Friday, October 08, 2010 - 2:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Still not sure who is getting the boot, but:
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Okay, it's beginning to look like most speculators think Tyrone gets the boot in Episode 5. It's based on that stupid sandwich clue that was given way back when about the general series, so it was discussed in the General Spoiler File. I didn't understand it then, and I don't understand it now (LOL).....plus I can't discuss it further because it takes in Episode 6 and Episode 7.

Regardless, once Missyae actually comes out and tells us who gets the boot, it appears it is probably going to be Tyrone, and if that's the case, La Flor will win the spinning/spitting challenge.

Alaginger
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Monday, October 11, 2010 - 5:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
No more news worth reporting since Friday's post:
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Missyae has announced that she will let us know on Wednesday morning who is getting the boot this week. That's pretty late for anybody here who is playing a game somewhere. No transcripts or pics came out over the week-end to shed further light on the subject. The analyzers over at Survivor Blows are speculating more towards a "Tyrone" boot this week, but they really aren't positive.

And, since we don't know who is getting the boot, it could be either nuLaFlor or nuEspada winning the challenge.

If I get anything more, I'll let you know.....but Missyae seems to be the best spoiler source right now, and she/he isn't saying until Wednesday since a lot of posters enjoy not knowing.

P.S. I see that Survivor Fever is showing Tyrone as "vulnerabla" in her boot list section, but actually she has everyone else marked as safe in Episode 4. Since this is Episode 5 coming up, I think she is still trying to pin it down....but suspects it is Tyrone going home.

Panda
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lalalalalalalalala


oooh good think I read here, I was going to choose Tyrone in the game!

Alaginger
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Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Checking all around today, and things look pretty much the same:
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Missyae says she doesn't plan to reveal the boot til Wednesday afternoon, so at least one week will be a fun one (guessing her interpretation of fun is people not knowing). TDT, Blows and Fever are all leaning towards a Tyrone boot, but I think, in the back of my mind, that it might also be a Kelly B. boot. Leaning more toward a Tyrone boot, though, from clues that have been hinted at.

Missyae seems to think that once this episode is over, all the other boots will be obvious, so that's why Tyrone throws me off a bit. If it was a woman this week, the other boots would be more obvious to me.........whatever! Will know tomorrow afternoon........Thank Goodness I'm not playing any of the games, but I feel bad that I couldn't be more decisive here for those of you who are playing the games.

Lexie_girl
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Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Ginger, don't worry about it. I knew the final three last season and still tanked in Who's game.

Alaginger
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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Okay ........ we now have our boot for tonight:
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Just got home from a women's club meeting and luncheon, and the first thing I did was check to see if Missyae had made the announcement.

Missyae: Tonight's boot is Tyrone

Ginger: and with that, we know that nuEspada, which is Holly's new group, will lose the challenge. Not sure, but if Espada had the Medallian of Power, wonder if they played it and still lost....or if they chose not to play it.

Friend
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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Friend a private message Print Post    
I hope you had fun at your meeting/luncheon, Alaginger!

I'm sorry to see Tyrone go. I will miss his making faces and eye rolling at TC. Wish it were NaOnka or Marty instead.