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Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Oh, I liked Coach too have from the beginning of the season where the deck was kinda stacked against him but I didn't think he deserved to win over Sophie for nothing else but for his god spiel crap. But he thoroughly entertained me. For me the 3 Survivors that entertained me most this season were Coach, Brandon and Cochran. And I’m very happy Sophie won the million dollars.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 10:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Where the heck was Brandon's wife? I hope she hasn't sided with his nasty family. How could they shun him like that? Uncle Nasty was horrible. If anything, he and they should want to be extra nice to Brandon because it hurts to lose.

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
I really can't get over how awful Russell behaved on the show last night. He acted like he was a gangster or something. He took this game way too seriously! He's a legend in his own mind.

Brandon just about broke my heart. Having most of his family disowning him over this game is so sad. Don't they realize the only reason B was picked to go on the show was because of Russell? They used B for ratings. The fact that he is new to sobriety meant nothing to them.

Sad, really.

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
PUZZLED - yes, was his wife there? His wife and 2 children should have been there to show support.

Does Brandon have a job? Is it with his family?

Please tell me his entire family hasn't abandoned him. What a bunch.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
ITA, Mamabatsy, I saw it as a scramble to try anything to get one of them to win. I thought it was a good idea, even if they couldn't do it.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 11:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I don't understand the fuss over Sophie asking Albert to drop his tiles and help her when she was close to defeating Ozzy.

Except Sophie didn't "ask" Albert to drop his tiles, she demanded it.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
I find it odd that Sophie was described as a spoiled brat. I never really saw that in her. The only negative was when she asked/demanded that Albert help her.....I hope Ozzie wasn't basing his entire opinion of her on this. I think she was finally succumbing to the pressure at the end of the game.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 11:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Lexie, I so agree with you about Brandon and the Hantz's.

I couldn't believe Russell told Brandon that he was "Uncle Russell" and "Russell from Survivor", and he would sit down and shut up if Brandon wanted him to. I was so hoping Brandon would say "sit the ^&*(# down!"

But Russell should have refused anyway. He shouldn't have put it on Brandon to make that call. What a... well you know. LOL

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Speaking of sobriety did you see Ozzy guzzle that bottle of bear, yikes.

Many people are legends in their own minds once they leave "The Island" both Russell and Ozzy think they played the greatest games only they DIDN’T.

Both played the same poor game...flip sides of losing coins. Neither one had any social game. Ozzy's team would have cut him loose before the f3 he was not hero worshiped until after their tribe got annihilated. Ozzy’s team needed him to help the team win comps but none of them were licking his boots and none of them wanted to sit next to him at the end. They ousted his island girlfriend without even a blink….unlike where Boston Rob was worshiped from day one and hed them all under his control, happily. Boston Rob played a stellar social game and generally speaking it’s the social game that wins you the million dollars.

And Russell never won or never will win the million dollars because he has/ had zero social game and the jury would vote to give the million to anyone but him…hell they’d vote to give the million to Wall Street jerks before Russell.

Brenda1966
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07-02-2002

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 11:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I suspect Russell was also acting up for the camera as you know he'd love another shot at Survivor. He's a legend in his own mind!

Marameko
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07-14-2002

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 11:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
I fell asleep before Brandon or Russell spoke so I will have to check the DVR.As long as Coach did not win I am happy.
I don't see any reason why Brandon had to tell his last name.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Same location, Tish, Samoa.

Lostfan
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03-10-2010

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lostfan a private message Print Post    
Except Sophie didn't "ask" Albert to drop his tiles, she demanded it.

Exactly- she was really rude about it - ordering him like he was her servent-

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Marameko, Brandon had a tattoo that read "Hantz." He couldn't keep his shirt on for 39 days.

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
I suspect Russell was also acting up for the camera as you know he'd love another shot at Survivor. He's a legend in his own mind!

Russell has been bashing Brandon on Twitter this whole season. It wasn't just for the camera's.

While we're on the subject, Russell and Brandon's dad Shawn have a house flipping show coming to A&E next year.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Except Sophie didn't "ask" Albert to drop his tiles, she demanded it.

Demanded? Asked? She was excited. She was close to defeating someone that they all knew they would lose against in the final. I suppose she should have said "Albert if you would please be so kind to give me some assistance with my tiles so that we can work together as a team and defeat our common opponent Ozzy that would be much appreciated".

LOL - I can't remember exactly what she said but, given the pressure and the circumstances, IMO something along the line of "Albert! Help me pick up my $#%^&%$ tiles!" wouldn't be out of line as far as I'm concerned.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I thought that it was within the realm of ok-ness for Sophie to ask Albert to pick up her tiles if in fact Albert was on board to oust Ozzy. Sophie had a good track record of winning challenges compared to Albert and she did say she read about building houses of cards.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 1:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
But that would have made Albert a target and he wanted Sophie out anyway. Of course they were all right that Ozzy would have probably won, but Albert was right that Sophie would be able to beat him.

And I sort of doubt that the rules hadn't been explained anyway. I think she was confused with comps where you go to eliminate a person and then another but in those they take turns usually.

Much stranger was how Albert was the only one who kept dogging another competitor (Sophie) on the next comp.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 1:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Michaelwinicki, I agree - Coach was in a lose/lose (I wasted brain space considering this today after I finally saw the whole episode). Coach needed someone to beat Ozzie, and no one was going to do that but Sophie. Unfortunately, he framed his argument around Sophie's thinking which was "Rick has made no enemies and lots of friends, he's a hard worker and not disliked. He might very well win." If Coach was verbalizing a concern about no one else being able to beat Ozzie but Sophie, they didn't show it and his reasoning re Rick was flawed. Let's face it though - Coach wasn't going to win against Sophie or Ozzie, and Albert/Rick were not going to defeat either of them in a challenge, Coach picked the one he had the most chance at. But given the last five, Coach wasn't going to win unless somehow it was a battle against he, Rick and Albert. That wasn't going to happen. Oh, and can I point out? Coach wasn't able to save the situation himself.

I agree with whomever said if Coach just owned his business and said "Ozzie, I could not win against you and I am sorry for using Brandon's God against him, but I'm here to win a game and these things got me one or two steps further," Coach would have earned that one extra vote than would have taken him to the million. He simply wanted to save the perception of his honor (really, no one would have cared except that he himself made it an issue). But he didn't do that, so I don't mind that he lost.

I do mind that Sophie won, though - I was rooting for her until I saw all of last night's episode. She did more in the challenges than Albert or Coach or Rick, but she wasn't out there masterminding anything like Coach was with his "family" koolaid business. Sophie coasted on her original five finger plan that Coach in fact organized(but Sophie at least managed to support her own behind by winning challenges).

I didn't like Sophie's demand that Albert abandon his own effort to save himself in order to accommodate her effort to save her own ass. He had no reason to believe that his own hinie would be saved if he lost. A million is on the line - save your own butt it's Survivor for Pete's sake. I thought it was bitchy and self-serving of Sophie - she didn't say "Albert, we're in this together if you pick up my tiles you're safe I swear." Even if they discussed it before, he'd be a fool to believe her. She didn't just say it once, she demanded it repeatedly. Ozzie was right in calling her out on her self-centered brattery.

All things considered, I would have had one helluva hard time deciding for whom to vote last night if I were on jury. If I were Cochran or Brandon, however, I wouldn't have voted for Coach. Under no circumstances would I have voted for Albert. He contributed nothing to saving his own butt or to strategy. At least that we saw.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Seamonkey, I noticed that why was Albert on Sophie's butt time after time? But for all we know, Sophie was on his. It would have made more sense if Sophie and Ozzie were dogging each other, but Ozzie would have gone right when she thought left.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Honestly, I did see Coach (at tribal council) at some point admit that he came in to play honorably, but at some point he realized that it simply wasn't possible and apologize for those he mislead. I don't think I was hallucinating.

It didn't help him with the votes however. Do we know who else (besides Cochran) voted for him?

I agree with GAL, I would have voted for Coach in the end.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 1:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Russell didn't just travel to LA on his own.. quite clearly, he was PAID to be there and there was no way he wasn't going to stand up and trash Brandon because that is why they brought him out.

Brandon seems to still be that boy trying to find friendship in and please a gang. And that Gang is the Hantz brothers and perhaps more family. He did seem to indicate that his wife and children were not included in that, but he'd be wise to literally move far away from his side of the family.

And maybe some spiritual advisor who can help him to stop swallowing the poison they are dishing out but also not to demonize others in the name of keeping himself pure.. that sort of thing leads to Hijab and Burka dress on women so that the men aren't led astray.

Unfortunately hel'll probably stick with his "family" and be brought back to Survivor along with Cochran.

And I actually wasn't so much knocking Cochran above, but WISHEING for HIM that he could gain confidence and stop with the self deprecation.

Ozzy probably WAS auditioning.. lots of the reality bunch make pretty decent money touring around and speaking..

As far as any one or two of them taking more time.. that is the job of those in charge of the show and clearly they always let a few who they consider "good television" to dominate.

I swear I had been wondering who the heck was that guy with the white hair/beard who was bouncing around hugging people and only after I read Tisha's recap did I realize it was and remember that there ever was a Papa Bear.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 1:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
You know Sea... that also bothered me about the final comp. GAL, I think Albert was dogging Sophie on that comp. That was just crazy. There were five different areas of ingress and egress and only four of them competing. There is no reason for Albert to have been dogging Sophie in that competition.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I also saw Coach clearly admit his failure to live up to the standards that he set for himself early in the game. I think sometimes failure gets confused with hypocrisy and that people who aim high and fail are sometimes labelled hypocrites.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, December 19, 2011 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
thanks, Jimmer. Was beginning to think I had just imagined it!