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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 6:14 pm
This was posted by someone at the Survivor Newsgroups. I thought it was interesting and possibly plausible. <<While watching the show last night I had a thought. What if Lex disassembled his tribe, getting rid of Colby & Ethan before the merge, because he was counting on his pre-game alliances after the merge. Lex has already said that Rob screwed him "outside the game", and Rob outed the fact that Lex & Tom had an alliance before the game even started. So I'm thinking that Lex, Tom, Kathy & Rob had a pre-game alliance. I remember watching when Lex was systematically weakening his team, and being very confused at what I considered really dumb play. If he felt certain however that he had a guaranteed alliance after the merge, he didn't need to keep his team strong. So the reason he was so pissed at Rob was not just because of the Amber thing, but because Rob broke an earlier agreement. He's still a whiny hypocrite, but it makes it a little easier to understand his reaction and why he decided to trust Rob so easily. >>
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Pascalle
Member
09-25-2003
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 6:44 pm
From what I understand from Lex's interviews, he and Rob were friends before the game, often calling eachother- ect. He just assumed Rob would honor that friendship but he forgot Rob was playing the actual game which in fact he should have been doing.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 7:49 pm
Good speculation Rupertbear. My take on it last Sunday was that Rob was simply making a guess that Tom had an alliance with Lex before coming into this Survivor. But then I also feel it's in Rob's, nature when caught stabbing someone in the back, to justify it in his own mind that he was really stabbed first. But then that's just speculation on my part, lol! I also think people felt that because Lex and Tom were close in Africa that they would team up again. But that's a little like assuming Sue would team up again with Richard. And I don't think we really saw people teaming up the way we would have assumed they would. I think Pascalle is closer to the truth if we're to believe what we've read and seen.
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Pascalle
Member
09-25-2003
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 8:02 pm
I don't think any of us can assume what Rob or anyone else is really like. For instance, I was surprised that Rob was a college grad. I mistakenly assumed all college grads have this annoying intellectual persona (at least in my family) so I was pleasently surprised to see that Rob did not act like that. To prove my point, watch how many people will now post "I'm a college grad"- yada yada yada. Nobody cares.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 12:44 am
I cant remember but.....someone let it slip about the LEX TOM alliance just before they were voted out. It seems that Rob was told about it as a warning to watch out for TOM especially around the merge. ACK, my memory. Cant remember WHO overheard the LEX TOM conversation! All I know is the person said they had heard the two guys conspiring on the boat before the game actually started.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 7:12 am
Pascalle, I too was surprised that Rob was a college grad ... and... that his degree is in psychology. I don't think someone can sit through so many psyc. courses and not absorb something about it. We really don't know him or anyone else, just as you said. Good point.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 7:31 am
Sunshyne, I remeber that. Thanks for jogging my memory. I cant remember who tipped their hand either.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 8:33 am
was it Kathy? or was it actually Tom? I think Rob said something like what a dummy for lettting that info slip
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 8:47 am
Oh yeah...I do remember that bit too...think it may have been Tom.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 9:17 am
Kathy was my first thought. It definately wasn't Tom. The messenger was warning Rob ABOUT Tom possibly not being true to his word. Rob even called Tom on that during one of the final shows. He tried to get him to admit that he and Lex had made an alliance before they arrived on the island.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 9:20 am
yeah, I think it was Kathy.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 9:32 am
I don't think you need a college degree to have an annoying persona....
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 9:37 am
LOL I hadn't read this thread. Guess I'm the only one NOT surprised that Rob was a college grad (with an interesting major too I thought, all things considered). But see I live outside Boston, so I'm used to not letting a tough Boston accent influence my feelings on intellect. I listened to the way Rob spoke to the camera all season...while not the most eloquent linguist, his vocabulary was always strong and his insights quite well thought out (once you got past the bravado). And I actually think this time I may have to agree (don't faint) with Rupertbear. I remember thinking early on how impossible it would be for Survivor/Mark Burnett to police alliances with folks who know each other. I recall thinking that might have contributed to the terrible teams we had...mixing up of folks. It wouldn't surprise me at all if a scenario like that happened.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 9:49 am
Funny, Lurk! After watching Rob in his audition tape, it was my impression that he put 'on' a lot of the accent. It didn't seem anywhere near that pronounced to me,in the tape he sent in.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 10:07 am
The pre-show alliance is an interesting theory and one that explains Lex’s rather odd strategy and his anger at Rob. There was also a reference to this during the reunion show where someone (Rob?) made an off-hand comment something like “didn’t we all get a bunch of phone calls?”. Of course, they weren’t supposed to do this and I would think that they would be reluctant to admit it, as it would probably contravene their agreement with CBS. I’m not at all surprised that Rob has a degree. Unfortunately, there seems to be some stereotypes associated with certain accents or backgrounds or education that may lead some people to very incorrect conclusions.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 11:29 am
Something that struck me was when Kathy was saying to Rob that her and Lex planned on him being in their final 4 with Tom. She acted like that was the plan from the beginning when she was chiding Rob about his turning on friends. Now...wasn't Kathy the one who was talking after she went on the boat ride with Chapera and wondering whether she would have to switch alliances? If there was some master plan to include their good friend Rob, then why was she babbling like it was some big decision whether to stay with Lex or switch to Rob back then?
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 1:59 pm
Azriel ~ I love Kathy but there were times when I wondered if she even knew what exactly her strategy was. I thought she was trying very hard to appease as many people as possible but then there came a moment when friendship overtook reasoning, as I think it did for Lex as well, and that ended up sealing their fate. As for Rob referring to someone as being a "dumb ---" for what they did or said, it was usually in reference to the fact that the person had believed him. And he took alot of pleasure in their being dumb enough to believe him. I still think the pre-set-alliance between Tom and Lex is just speculation and nothing more. It's just my perception but I think Rob came up with that as a way of defending his own actions. And I also think he's very experienced in making others feel they are wrong while he is right. I want to add that I was never surprised that Rob had a college degree but that the degree was supposedly in psychology! Why? Because I have a perception of psychology majors as people who are kind and full of compassion. So now I know better. Don't assume anything about any college major.
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Lorie
Member
08-29-2003
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 2:34 pm
I just found out that a friend of our's cuts Rob's father's hair. This friend owns his own shop in Canton, Ma. I only live about an hour and a half from there and wished that I could just walk up and down the streets and see if I could catch a glimpse of Rob. But would that be considered stalking?
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Demeter
Member
08-05-2001
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 2:39 pm
An undergraduate degree in Psychology means just about nothing. There is very little a person can do with such a degree. Advanced schooling is required to get anywhere with a psychology degree. Undergraduate degrees are primarily bookwork and very general in nature. Just the basics. People are complex and therefore those who choose to advance their skills into the clinical arena take on years more of training with thousands of hours of face-to-face contact in addition to the classwork. So, if somebody goes on Survivor with a clinical psychology background, I might think they have an advantage. But someone with an undergraduate degree has next to no advantage based on the degree alone. But then again, maybe not. Because in the end, we are all human and in such an environment we can end up letting our emotions rule over any knowledge base we have of others.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 2:59 pm
Hmmm, ya never know Demeter. Rob may have been taken that course in preparation for applying to Survivor. After all, he seemed to be Svengali or Rasputin out there with the others! lol ;)
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 3:27 pm
Lorie, no, not at all! LOL
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 4:51 pm
Kappy....... "I still think the pre-set-alliance between Tom and Lex is just speculation and nothing more. It's just my perception but I think Rob came up with that as a way of defending his own actions." He was actually told by, we think Kathy, of this fact and he believed it. Simultaneous truth, Kathy may have mistaken what she heard or Tom could have been playing Lex (or vise versa). I think that is what you are saying. Regardless Rob acted on this fact, whether acurate or not. Demeter, I agree. A BA in psychology is valuable but does not mean one is necessarily qualify one to be adept in this field.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 5:26 pm
Demeter ~ thanks for the info on the major. I really do realize they're all as individual as any other major or profession out there. Thanks Fruitbat for the explanation of where the Tom/Lex theory came from!
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Pascalle
Member
09-25-2003
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 6:02 pm
I don't think Rob has to defend his own actions. Like he said, they all saw him and Amber break alliences one after the other and they still didn't get rid of him or Amber when they could have. I heard Amber say this too. The fact is, Rob was right, they were stupid enough to believe him time after time when a million dollars was at stake. Sheesh!
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Demeter
Member
08-05-2001
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 6:16 pm
I agree, Rob does not have to defend his actions to anyone. I'm not a Rob fan, but I'm sure he played the game the best he saw fit. I think each one of them played the best they could in the moment. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I do wish Rob would not be whining so much about "deserving" the win more than any other player. Obviously the one that deserved it won. That's how it works. The one that gets the votes in the end is the one that deserves the win.
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