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Texannie
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07-16-2001
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:21 am
http://tvguide.com/news/insider/040521a.asp Survivor: All-Stars Color Barrier by Ileane Rudolph Here's six players who didn't make Survivor: All-Stars: Original class-clown Gervase Peterson, Clarence Black (Africa), Sean Rector (Marquesas), Nick Brown (Australian Outback), Ted Rogers (Thailand) and Osten Taylor (Pearl Islands). In case you didn't notice, there were no — as in nada, zip, zero! — black male players in the championship edition. In fact, the only contestants of color were two women — Alicia Calaway and Shii Ann Huang. Does this strike anyone as odd? Of course, the absence of some of the guys we listed can easily be explained. Although hunky, Osten was the first Survivor ever to quit the game. Hardly All-Stars material. And maybe Ghandia Johnson's sexual-harassment accusations kept Ted out of the running. But dudes like ace-plotter Sean wonder how they were forgotten. "I'm not surprised that Rob Mariano got the girl, the car and the money," Mariano's old buddy tells TV Guide Online. "I am surprised that there weren't any brothers on the show. "Everybody wanted to do it. There's a few of us that would have been great," Sean adds. "There were a lot of politics involved. A lot of people aren't talking about that, but the black people that did the show are very aware of that. It sets a real bad precedent." Gervase says he's equally puzzled. "We're not angry black men out here that are mad because we didn't make it on the show," he points out. "But are you trying to tell me that one black dude wasn't good enough to be on Survivor: All-Stars?" "I didn't think about it," responds Survivor producer Mark Burnett. "I don't cast by color. I just cast who I thought were the best. I will tell you — nothing to do with color — I was very close to putting Sean Rector on the show because I really like him. He's a good character." Just not quite good enough, we guess.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:32 am
I dunno what the reasons were but I wouldn't have minded seeing Sean or Ted again. Guess these types of allegations...while easy enough to say are hard to prove or disprove for that matter.
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Broxi
Member
03-11-2004
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 11:32 am
Who knows what reasons anyone used to not have those people on. But.. if we always look for reasons to place labels... then why is it NO Heavy people are on it... where are the Flat Chested women?????????? I don't understand to be honest why in America almost every subject can turn into a Race issue.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 6:26 pm
Osten quit! In my book, he forfeits any right to EVER come back to the game!
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Hippyt
Member
06-15-2001
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:05 pm
Well,I feel Sean should have been on All Stars,but this article is just a little late in coming.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:05 pm
Because things are not equal in America Broxi. And the first thing I noticed when the cast was announced was that there were no black males in this season. Really stood out to me.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:07 pm
Good thing I don't read your book Pamy, lol. You know I still love Osten.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:09 pm
I know Mojo! There were no blk men in Pearl Island either!!! MB!!! pick my DH next time!! damn it!!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:10 pm
oh duh! Osten was in Pearl Islands! lol
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Hippyt
Member
06-15-2001
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:13 pm
Well,there were reasons the people for this show were picked. I just think there were people picked who should not have been there,and others who deserved to be there. Flat chested women? I find that rather offensive and childish.
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Broxi
Member
03-11-2004
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:47 pm
I am a Bi-Racial Woman who was born in Scotland... And I have to say... Race is not an issue there... but Religion is. Anyway... the reason Mocha I said "I don't understand to be honest why in America almost every subject can turn into a Race issue" is because it seems no matter what the situation someone finds a reason to believe it is Racially Motivated when there is No Racial Bias being shown. And as a side not.... believe me... it is not only white people who have these views! I see it from BOTH SIDES! And Hippy.... no offense was meant when I said where are the flat-chested women. As I was someone who WAS rather Flat prior to getting breast cancer {which has made me really flat}... It was a comment made simply to say and make people think about it... Everyone can fall into some catagory of Bias. I find it insulting that only large breasted women and skinny women seem to be on these shows! Are there ANY WOMEN With CURVES applying for these shows????.... I am sick of the BARBIE look on these Reality Shows! But thats alright.... I guess I have a different opinon than some.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:49 pm
Well unfortunately race and racism is an issue here. And that's speaking as a black person that unfortunately has to see things as a bias uaually first for self-preservation.
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Broxi
Member
03-11-2004
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:55 pm
Mocha I can understand what you are saying. But in my case I again can say it is not one race that holds the bias card. But this subject will soon be out of hand..... So thats is for me. I will end this post and my visit to this thread with..... Bias is Taught Folks.... it is not something people are born with.
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Hippyt
Member
06-15-2001
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 9:14 pm
Bias? what nice way to describe a problem. You are correct racism is taught.
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Padivius
Member
08-21-2003
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 8:12 am
This issue is ALWAYS blown WAY out of proportion in any situation (and it can be applied to most situations you can think of.) What difference does it make what colour skin the contestants have? While I'm all for equality among different social groups, when I read about events like this, which have little IF ANYTHING to do with racial differences, it really makes me mad. In this situation, racial equality DOES NOT mean that there is always a representative for both black people and white people (and Asian people) (and...) on the show. It means that all black (etc.) people who apply are given equal consideration. SO, I think that this whole movement towards "equality" among social groups over the past half-century has gone awry. While striving towards equality, we've instead geared towards overcompensation for the past. The people who lose in this situation? The heterosexual, white males. Like me. And I've REALLY noticed it in the past few years, and that's why it makes me so angry. What used to be discrimination towards what was "unusual" -- homosexuality, coloured skin, feminine gender -- has instead turned into discrimination towards the "norm". And quite frankly, I'm sick of it.
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Padivius
Member
08-21-2003
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 8:20 am
As an afterthought: of all the coloured males on the show (Gervase Peterson, Nick Brown, Clarence Black, Sean Rector, Ted Rogers, Daniel Lue, Osten Taylor) the only one I thought deserved to come back was Gervase. Nick was just too boring, didn't stir the pot. Clarence didn't do anything really influential enough to merit coming back to an All-Stars edition. I thought he was a jerk anyways. Sean didn't do anything either. Literally. He didn't work around camp, he was lazy and egotistical. Ted freaked me out! Really! He was kinda disgusting! And he really didn't do enough to come back to an All-Stars Edition. Daniel just didn't make it far enough. Osten quit. Now GERVASE -- yes he was lazy, but he was the comedy too. Everyone remembers him as the original Survivor entertainer (him and Greg). Everyone also remembers how his son was born while he was on the show. Maybe I'm stretching for some of those explanations, but the only one I thought really meritted a return invitation was Gervase.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 9:22 am
OMG! I totally forgot about that moment!! That was one of the best moments, seeing Gervase's face seeing his child!
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 9:55 am
runs quickly from thread
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 1:19 pm
You know in retrospect this thread got me thinking. Not about race perse. Though I too am tired of Santa Monica Blvd. types on all these shows. I would like to see more diverse personalities... period... age, race, physicality, profession. Survivor probably does a better job than most of the shows. But anyway... it would have been great if they had found a way to bring back all the players who wanted to participate... added a few weeks to the show with some different formatting to get down to the final 18 fast... then we all could have seen our favorites and it truly would have been an all stars... you would have had to survive those early weeks to go for the big bucks.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 2:28 pm
I can sympathize with how you feel, Padi. No matter what they do or how they do it, someone always ends up getting the short end of the stick, no two ways about it. In an Elysian society, there would be no need for such impositions. Merit would stand for more but who knows when or if the standard will ever be based on just qualifications any more. Maybe I am totally naive but I thought we'd come a long way in regarding every one as equal, no matter what but I am guessing this won't change until equality is a reality. And no matter Sean's work ethic...he was eye-candy...what a bod...so I would have liked to have seen him again.
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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 3:40 pm
I want Pamy's hot Hubby in the next season... just sayin'!
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 3:57 pm
Um...point me to a picture, Moondance....lol ;)
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 5:34 pm
Gidget, what are "Santa Monica Boulevard types"? When I think of S.M. Boulevard, I think of either transsexual prostitutes or West Hollywood "Boys Town" boys...and I don't see either of those on Survivor. Heck, we see more of the WeHo boys on TAR (even one from a billboard) than we ever have on Survivor.
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Hippyt
Member
06-15-2001
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 8:25 pm
I'm sorry,but to me this conversation is so inane and been there done that. The media does a good job of making all of the Survivors into characters. Disecting the black males is just another media cry for attention.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 7:36 am
Well, I want to be sexist...said it before and I shall reiterate....I would truly LOVE to see an all male Survivor. I want to see if any of the dynamics change, with no females around. I want to see if Burnett would turn up the pain switch on challenges. I want to the alpha males emerge and watch to see if the others will gang up and over throw him/them.Watch males battling for supremacy without the distraction of females around. And lastly...I read that there will never be an all male show because males will tune out...but I find that kinda hard to believe.
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