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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 8:11 am
Ooooh, I agree that would be great RB!! Why not do an all-female one, too, to be fair That would also have its own dynamic tho on second thought it might be quite painful to watch lol.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 11:30 am
Tish... I knew someone would ask... it has been a long time since I was in LA. I was thinking SMB as the dregs of the wannabes. Where they go to fade into the landscape of LA dreams. And I guess I was not too clear about Survivor either. I think Survivor does a better job of casting than most of the reality shows. At least as far as age, appearance (breast size not withstanding) and background. Someone commented earlier about flat chested women and someone else found that objectionable... but the first thing that popped into my mind with that exchange was the 70's T&A televison programming. Anyway... I am so far off topic I need a map to get back... On the topic of race... it does seem as an observor that many tv shows and movies too either include people of color as a token demographic or pigment challenged (as a person who sometimes fades in photographs I am using that phrase as a joke... dont jump all over me) people as the reverse token on other shows. There is some improvement especially in dramatic programming but comedy and now reality still seems heavily polarized. What I dont get is why entertainment doesnt reflect the reality we live in. But then living in a metropolitan, diverse area of the country... maybe that is my reality and not others.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 4:54 pm
We mention the 'race' issue regarding who we see on the tv screen. But what about the applications. Are non-whites applying to be on the show in greater numbers than they are presented on air? I would hate to see "affirmative action" used in casting any reality series. It should be based on applications and potential on air personalities, not racial equality. 'squeek'
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Justafan
Member
04-17-2004
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 6:13 pm
I'm sooo tired of this Omarosa stuff. Why don't just except that it was NOT race issue once in a while? may be those not chosen were not the most exciting players? Geez!
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 6:19 am
There is a difference between affirmative action... which a very serious topic that has nothing to do with game shows... and a representative sampling of the population for the purpose of making a reality tv show realistic.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 4:42 pm
I am a Native American - I don't think that there have EVER been any Native Americans on Survivor. Maybe it is just that our racial stereotype has every single one of us able to start a fire with nothing but a stick and easily living off the earth....
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 5:02 pm
Well, if you think about it...everyone seems to be 'pigeon-holed' somehow or other. We Irish are all drunken fighters, the Scots are all supposed to be penny-pinchers...and on and on and on. Every one has been 'rubber-stamped' as something in the past.
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Starshine40
Member
07-30-2002
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 6:29 pm
Alisons said, "Maybe it is just that our racial stereotype has every single one of us able to start a fire with nothing but a stick and easily living off the earth...." Alisons that gave me such a good chuckle! Yes, that would be a sterotypical idea I guess of a Native American. But wouldn't it be neat to have one on Survivor. One who really did know how to start the fire and live off the land???? Someone from the northwest had posted earlier that anyone from up there who camped knew how to start a fire in the rain with damp wood. How neat! I have done quite a bit of genealogy on my family (mostly my mother's side) and am descended from English, German (traced farther back to Switzerland) and whatever else. Mainly they were just farmers, etc. and I still have to have a match or lighter to "make fire". LOL
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 11:21 am
My personal belief is that there will always be predjudice and bias, no matter where you are. While the idea of social equality is a wonderful idea, I cannot think of a single culture (past or present) that doesn't have some form of social hirearchy based on bigotry. From the caste system in India to the aristocrats in Britain, predjudice and bigotry are not a social issues belonging solely to America. In some countries its the caste you were born to, in others its your financial status, and in my country, most believe its the color of your skin that makes one person "better" than another. While its a good idea to NOT pass down social predjudices, I don't believe that is enough. I personally think that "equality" is what needs to be taught, promoted and in extreme cases, regulated via statues (hence Affirmative Action). We humans, left to our own thoughts, will always develop predjudice and bias based on our own personal preferences. We should as a community recognize and accept this fact. That will be our first step to understanding and changing social predjudices. JMHO....
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Chief1
Member
08-18-2003
| Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 7:56 am
Wonderfully stated, Kep! I am in awe, however, that there are many who have posted on these boards who still hate to admit that racism still exists. Of course is does. IMHO, it all depends on personal perception, not truth or lies. Maybe if we could possibly take a brief look at different views .... For instance, there are some who believe racism exists and is more prevalent than ever. We can't say no to that view, since there's a strong possibility that they are the recipients of this every day, and know it when they see it (or is directed toward them). To challenge them for proof only "proves" their point. They may, in fact, be considered realists. Then there are those who believe that it exists, but denounce how "bad" it is, and suggest that people use it as a "card." We can't say no to this, either, because maybe where they live/work/socialize, it isn't the norm. People do have the ability to get along without race becoming an issue, so from this point of view it doesn't seem real. Maybe idealistic? And how about those who think racism hasn't been an issue in say ... forever ... and that the word is overblown, overused, and over-attended to by the media, etc. Maybe they live in areas where only one race of people congregate, and therefore don't see the problem (literally). And if not, maybe they believe everyone is treated fairly. Hmmm ... clearly aversive. Regarding the media, we've heard it before, talked about it, and producers/directors have even admitted to using certain "perceptions" of individuals to inflate the popularity of their works. Why are we still denying it? What's ironic is that, while we don't all agree that these "perceptions" are true, we still "buy" into the stereotypes and respond accordingly. For example: Black women & men / White women & men Blonde jokes Geeks / Nerds / Jocks Rap music / Pop music The list never stops! It's about the all mighty dollar and what sells.
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Immunity_man
Member
09-26-2003
| Friday, June 04, 2004 - 5:18 am
Well, I'm mostly black and part native american and I wasn't offended, and I consider myself to be black. And quite frankly other than Sean, I just can't see the others being a key factor in any of the games. Maybe Gervase could have been considered, but all in all the most the interesting black male in the series has been Sean. I am not convinced that it was intentional by Burnett to exclude black men. I don't know what his reasoning was for choosing the males that he did. It's just a reality TV show. Personally, I think Osten's name should not even be mentioned in the same sentence with Survivor.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, June 04, 2004 - 6:40 am
I agree Mr. Immunity...I don't think Burnett intentionally excluded black men. If he were racist he wouldn't have chosen any minorities for any of the seasons, to begin with. Lol, well as far as Osten goes I Man, I'm willing to cut the guy a little slack. As far as physically, he was one of the most outstanding men ever to play in one of the seasons but I think mentally, he wasn't ready for what the game entailed. If he had looked like Skinny Ryan, we might have said, "Well look at him, he's obviously way in over his head out there." But because Osten was such a strapping specimen of manhood we all figured...what a wuss but as I say, I don't think his brain was as 'pumped' for the game as was his body.
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Sunday, June 06, 2004 - 2:41 pm
Osten was out of his eliment because he was too concerned over damaging his well tended too, pampered body. Osten has not been the only male on Survivor who started out very buff. Burton comes to mind. Matt comes to mind. Several others as well started out in very good physical eye appealing shape. Osten's only mistake was that he didn't do his homework prior to applying for the show or he would have never considered it.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Sunday, June 06, 2004 - 2:49 pm
True Deb...that's what I meant by <<I think mentally, he wasn't ready for what the game entailed.>> Yes, the other guys you mentioned were very buff... Burton was ahhhhhh...yes very buff...lol.But I think these other guys were outdoors types. Maybe Osten had never even been camping in his life...I know I never have! lol
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Sunday, June 06, 2004 - 2:49 pm
So...to answer that age old question about bears and woods....the answer is NO! ;)
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Monday, June 14, 2004 - 3:07 pm
Nah, I don't think I could hack Survivor either. My way of "camping" is paying for the sight that has a pick-nic table & BBQ pit (one with a concrete slab is nice too) It has public rest rooms with showers within walking distance. You bring your tent, cots, pillows, etc. and you "rough" it. LOL
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, June 18, 2004 - 5:47 am
Oh Texasdeb, we could definitely go camping together. I insist on running water and electricity at my campsites - that way I can hook up the fan to cool the tent at night...LOL...and definitely have showers (warm ones thank you) within walking distance. River Road Campground at the Guadalupe is my favorite!
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, June 18, 2004 - 7:34 am
The back yard is 'roughing it' enough for me...I know...shameful for a bear! ;)
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Friday, June 18, 2004 - 4:28 pm
I roughed it this week. I couldn't get the shampoo bottle open at the hotel this week and couldn't wash my hair one day.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, June 18, 2004 - 6:11 pm
Roflmao! Funny, kiddo! ((hugs))
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