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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 7:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Demeter, Just out of curiosity, what do you base the above statement on (the one referring to psychology)? Are you a clinical psychologist?

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 11:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I personally know that people are drawn into psychology for either of two reasons.........ONE reason is the person has some trauma in their past and is seeking knowledge to try and handle their condition. Often people who become counsellors/ psychologists have 'issues' from their past.

The second reason is that some individuals like the CONTROL aspect that Psychology training can give you. This is the category that I feel ROB is in. And of course, as Demeter has said...it aint gonna get you a job. Rob works construction.
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Brian also had courses in Psychology if I recall. Or something he did to work "human behaviour" which helped him in the Used Car business as well

Sasha
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03-06-2004

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 3:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sasha a private message Print Post    
Regarding the Tom/Lex alliance: I remember when Lex was whining about Rob voting him off and ruining his strategy, Rob stated "yeh, you would of brought Tom along." Lex appeared to nod in agreement. Then Rob spoke into the camera and said something like "Tom you were ratted out and it was by your good buddy Lex."

Regarding the psychology degree: Kudos for Rob to spend the time, money and energy to pursue post-secondary education. He is still young and may even advance his degree further in the future. If he chooses to remain in construction, I still think that having some education behind him would make him more employable if supervisory or management roles would arise. In life you can lose your money, material wealth, family, friends etc. but you cannot lose your education.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 6:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Lori...if it's any consolation I go to Canton fairly frequently and to the best of my knowledge I've never seen Rob lol. It's the type of suburb that has a center of town that's a pain in the butt to park in (when my 1st mortgage broker had an amazing Deli friends and I would go there, but it closed recently) and a bunch of strip malls where you drive up to the store you want, go in it, and leave. My boyfriend is from and buried there, and in all the years I've gone I've only bumped into one of his family members once and they were in their driveway at the time and I was driving past lol. Watch now, with that said I'll prolly run into Rob next time I go :-)

As for psychology, I'm not sure I agree. Once of my best friends is a school psychologist and while she went back for advanced degrees as the years went on, when we first me she was employed as such and only has her bachelor's....so if you want to there are certainly entry level jobs in the field. As for why that was Rob's major...ask Rob. I think we all have our stories of why we chose what we did to study and only he can tell us why he chose it. I did read he went into the family business, so it might explain why he is doing what he is doing. I really should ask my old BF's family in Canton if they know him or his family, as they have a construction business too.

I have a few more comments but church starts in less than half an hour and I'm no where near ready YIKES. Think I need to borrow Jeff's helicopter to get there! I actually REALLY don't feel like going out now/today but there's an amazing Medium in from England and only there this week so I'm gonna toss on somethinng and go.

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 6:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spygirl a private message Print Post    
I agree wholehartedly with Demeter on the issue of a BA in psychology - it is rather useless. You can't practice and it is such a generalist degree that you don't learn a lot about anything, just a little bit about a lot. They might pick up a few tidbits of helpful information, but I doubt it would be considered a real advantage. A clinical person, however, would have an advantage. I auditioned for the second season of Big Brother knowing that even if they were interested in me as a person, they would never accept me because of my professional training. Heck, my entire 10 years in school was spent studying human interaction.

Sunshyne, you had to know that your categorization would be highly offensive to people who have chosen social sciences as a career option. So speaking as a licensed clinical psychotherapist, let me add a third category to your list - people choose to help people sort through the pain, trauma, and confusion of life because it is what they are good at, what they enjoy, and what they feel led to do.


Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 7:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Ok I'm waving the white flag here...made a valiant effort to get out the door, but couldn't find anything (still can't find my black shoes) and it just started pouring. So the heck with it...I'm sure I'll regret this later, as this speaker/medium only comes in twice a year, but right now I just don't have it in me.

That said, I'll get back to my point. I think ALL degrees uesfulness depend on the desires and motivation of the person holding them. I'm not sure why we are dissecting Rob's degree (folks just can't accept he has a solid education?). But I'll turn to my personal life for an example. I double majored in Advertising and PR in college. While most folks at that level were doing dummy projects for fake businesses, I called, set up a meeting and ended up doing a real press kit for the Boston Bruins. That later helped open many doors and I ended up working for the NHL and in the field for 8 years. When a friend asked me to help him out with his band, I fell into working professionally in the industry because folks liked my work. Now I'm not trying to toot my own horn, esp since PR is currently dead as a doorknob LOL, but want to make the point that it's the choices we make and the opportunities we either create or take advantage of, that IMHO truly make us successful or not. Heck look at Troy on the Apprentice. Even before the show he did quite well with NO college degree.

As for Rob, I don't think it really matters how useful a degree he holds or not. It simply shows that he is no dummy, at the very least has a well rounded educational background, and one that should have given him some insight into people. And considering how far he went in the game I think he showed this, regardless of whether you like him or not. He dominated in the physical callenges. He dominated in the mental challenges.

And the last thing I wanted to note (at least for now) is I keep forgetting to mention one of the reasons I do respect Rob...even though I may not have liked some of his lies. After his first Survivor, unlike most of them he didn't try to extend his 15 minutes or turn it into something else. He went back to his life and his 3 jobs and was quite happy with that. Now for all the talk about Ruperts mentoring (and good for him this isn't a putdown you can relax Rupertbear and others LOLOL), how about Rob coaching in-line skating at BU? That doesn't sound like a super high paying position to me, not being a major sport, but I read in a couple articles locally how much the kids felt helped by him.

So my point here is regardless of whether you like how he played Survivor or not, why must folks bash his accomplishments in real life? I don't get it.


Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 7:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spygirl a private message Print Post    
And to be clear, I am not dissecting Rob's degree or in ANY WAY bashing his accomplishments - I weighed in on a bit more generic topic - "Is a BA in Psychology an advantage or not in the game of Survivor?". IMO, very little if any at all.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 8:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Spygirl FYI my comments weren't directed at you or anyone specifically...just the general direction of the conversation.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
Lurk...no offense but ANYTHING with regard to Rob, I feel you are often overly sensitive.

Now, you could feel the kettle is calling the frying pan black here in this regard but I mentioned his degree in psychology only in general terms and felt it didn't really help him out in Survivor but I kinda jokingly surmised he took that as his major before applying for the show.

We have a few more weeks to fill in before BB starts. And I think you could call this just shooting the sh*t...it's a time filler and I don't think you should feel the need to constantly try to defend him any more or accuse people of bashing him where there's none going on, in my opinion.

Survivor All Stars is finito...Amber won, unfortunately but I think any 'high' emotions with regard to the show have long burned down.

To me, this is just standing at a bus stop, in the pouring rain and making conversation 'til the real deal...the bus, arrives. :-)



Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 8:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Rupertbear, I see it differently (BIG surprise lol)...of course we are just running out of stuff to talk about and pulling stuff out of the air. But think how'd you feel if your favorite player was constantly on the end of put downs, especially ones that smash his achievements. I really think it's uncalled for. This is JMHO of course, and I just wanted to state it.

Nothing wrong with chatting...I just wish so much of the chat didn't keep putting someone down, in my opinion, unjustly. Heck I don't know the guy...so I don't think I'm overly sensitive....he could be a jerk in real life. I'm just going off the same info we all have. But it does get old to keep reading everything negative and NOTHING positive.

And tone is hard here but I can assure you I'm not all fired up...I was just making a point, which I thought was the purpose of a discussion board

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
No no...I wasn't assuming YOU were all fired up. LOl...see how things get misconstrued?

But, I don't see all this bashing & smashing, myself...it's MOSTLY a discussion on psychology degrees NOT rob!

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spygirl a private message Print Post    
Rupert, I think you identified why sometimes these conversations get off track so easily...

"Why must folks bash his accomplishments in real life"...that can easily create defensiveness. People will likely defend if they are being accused - even if the accusations are not direct. Just my two cents.


Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Funny....I think quoting and dissecting someone's post when they are just adding their opinion or view on the topic being discussed can create the same effect (or IMHO worse because it is directing it at someone's actions and changing the topic from whatever the discussion is to that person). I'm sorry if I did not think about every word/way I said it. Folks seldom do here. Mercifully, they generally are not quoted and held up for discussion after. I'd appreciate it if we don't use my words that way please. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with whatever point I make. I have no problem if someone thinks I'm wrong. But I do have a problem when what I say and how I say it is dissected. Thanks. Just my

Oh...here's a buck fifty worth of insight. I think it's interesting (and I'm pointing the finger at no one here) how some folks make a sport out of trying to prove this poster or that poster wrong, rather than just discussing the point of the post. Luckily those are the minority, and generally folks who have heard and believe erroneous stuff.

So all this said, how did we get from Rob and his major to this??? Maybe we need to get him in here and see just how much he did learn with his psych major :-)

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spygirl a private message Print Post    
Lurk, you said you don't understand why people are bashing his accomplishments. I'm not sure how many other ways that statement can be interpreted except as a judgment on the people that had commented on Rob's degree. While it may seem like a very small detail to you, it was not to me.

Then, you come back with a post that is another post of thinly vieled attacks..."how some folks make a sport out of trying to prove this poster or that poster wrong". I am in no way making sport out of anything I wanted comment on why this conversation derailed. Besides, isn't that exactly what you just said you didn't like to have done to yourself - to have your post dissected for interpretation?

Anyway, please accept my apology if I personally offended you. I only wanted to call attention where small little comments that are sliced thinly can create big cuts.


Tishala
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08-01-2000

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 4:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I guess I've never thought of education as useless in any way. I don't see a bachelor's degree as a kind of vocational training I guess.

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spygirl a private message Print Post    
I guess I'm speaking from my own experience with a BA in Psychology. It was made relatively clear to me going into the major that I would need an advanced degree to be able to do anything directly related to the field of Psychology. It isn't useless in the sense that it is an achievement of a college degree - which in and of itself is wonderful, but a BA in Psychology doesn't lend itself to a lot of job opportunities - or help in the game of Survivor

Crossfire
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08-07-2001

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 6:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Crossfire a private message Print Post    
Hey, who turned off the funny in here?

*flip* *taping switch*



Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 6:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I'm going to offer another perspective here, which is contradictory to what some have posted. No offense, just different life experiences, perhaps?

There are many counseling jobs for those with undergrad degrees in psychology. They include women & children's counselors in battered women shelters, probation/parole officers, counselors in halfway houses (jail release, drug rehab, alcohol recovery, juveniles, mentally handicapped, etc), psychiatric assistants and many, many opportunities for state or county or charitable organization counseling positions in inner city or rural areas.

My experience has been that many of these extremely beneficial programs that serve the needs of the lower income community are filled by BA's in Psychology since they can't afford to pay very much. And many, many of the counselors that I have worked with in these programs are extremely competent and very good at their jobs.

Broxi
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03-11-2004

Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Broxi a private message Print Post    
Okay back to the subject.... Sasha posted a good and short summary of what happened... Regarding the Tom/Lex alliance:

I remember when Lex was whining about Rob voting him off and ruining his strategy, Rob stated "yeh, you would of brought Tom along." Lex appeared to nod in agreement. Then Rob spoke into the camera and said something like "Tom you were ratted out and it was by your good buddy Lex."

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I also recall seeing something to that effect. Now.... although I do not like Lex {Just wanted to get that fact out}... Kathy starts the blab fest by running to BR {hoping to maybe get BR to keep her around longer.... since she gave up some info. BR may have thought she would give up more at a later date}.

Lex.... maybe he also figured if he shook his head in the affirmative... BR would have thought to keep him around as he did not appear to have lied to his face? Just the flip side to what some have said.

Sunrisedd
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09-15-2000

Monday, May 17, 2004 - 12:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunrisedd a private message Print Post    
Crossfire, it is obvious who flipped that switch! :-p

My husband has a BA in psychology and has a good job working as a supervisor at the DSS helping children who are abuse or neglected at home.

Now my DH thinks this major is beneficial to him in normal relationship with people also. I tend to agree until he tries to use his mind games on me. lol

So I have to agree that a BA in psychology would be helpful to Rob in the Survivor game.

Jasper
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09-14-2000

Monday, May 17, 2004 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jasper a private message Print Post    
I thought from what Jeff said, that they were unaware of who would be on the all star show until they got there. Althought I imagine that would have been difficult to keep under wraps, especially if they are friends. And I do recall Lex actually saying something to Rob and Rob right after in one of his "diary rants" saying that Lex had just outed his friend Tom and didn't even know it.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Monday, May 17, 2004 - 8:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
I agree Sunrise...it IS obvious :-) But let's get back to what we WERE discussing YaY....as I posted earlier, I have friend who started a great career with only a BS in psychology. When I thought about it more I realized another friend who is a social worker began that way as well. So I totally feel that like most jobs, if you want to move up you generally go after advanced degrees, but a bachelor's is ample to get you in the door.

As for who was on the show, I think they weren't sure UNLESS they were in touch with folks personally and that person told them. Meaning Mark Burnett didn't give folks a casting list. That was my take on all this.


Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Monday, May 17, 2004 - 9:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
But any of the previous survivors who did maintain contact, whether by e-mail, phone or actual visiting, could easily say,"hey, they've asked me to be on All Stars, how about you?"

So any of the people who were friends could in theory assure each other, they had each others 'six', as my army buddy calls it, before the game ever began.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Monday, May 17, 2004 - 11:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
EXACTLY RB (lol see we can agree on stuff hehe)! That's why I think that theory you posted--I'm gonnna parahrase so sorry if I get any of it wrong--that Lex was so bent out of shape because Rob broke a PRE-game alliance could hold merit. Now with Lex it's hard to tell cause he doesn't come across as the most stable human I've seen BUT he did seem to go overboard (even for him) with the betrayal...the Mohawk...the tude...the scary sincere hate looks, etc. So I certainly could see their being more to it. And given the rules he can't just come out and say, "but hey we vowed to stick together before the game." LOL

If you think about it I think this makes good, common sense. And, of course, we'll never have a way to know for sure.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Monday, May 17, 2004 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
Yeah well, I give whomever thought of this over at the newsgroup credit. It wouldn't have occured to me that they'd already be '"allianced" before they even stepped ashore.

The fact that Lex was decimating his own tribe was very puzzling but would make sense if he figured Rob was a safety net.

And of course, you're right Lurk, it can't/won't come to light now unless someone writes a 'tell-all' book about any and all juicy scandals that have happened behind the scenes all down through the various seasons.

Actually, I'll bet ya that would be a hot seller, cos we'd all be fairly curious.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Monday, May 17, 2004 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
LOL but would the book earn more than they'd lose in the lawsuit Mark Burnett would be sure to have against them and their near sure violation of their contracts?! hehe

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Monday, May 17, 2004 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
Well, mayhap if it was written by someone not associated with the show buy co-authored by
A. Nonny Mouse ;)

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 8:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Did ya'll notice that when Rob asked Tom over and over about an alliance with Lex, that Tom never did answer that question? Of course, we don't know why Tom didn't answer that...

Tashakinz
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Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tashakinz a private message Print Post    
I think the whole Tom flip/flop issue came out when Lex pointed out to Rob during their fight that if they had voted Amber out instead of Jerri and then merged on schedule that he (Lex) would have had the numbers and been in control. The only way for that statement to have been true was if someone on Rob's team would have voted with Lex, i.e., Tom.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 9:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
I think the whole "alliance before the game started" is of little importantance--very little".

Amber stated that before the game started, she didn't even like Rob. If we use Rob's logic of the value of bringing up any before game perceptions, he better back away from Amber--or figure she is just using him, since she didn't like him before.

There is a saying in sports that goes like this: "In sports there are few things as unimportant as the score at half time."

If that is true at all, what goes on before the game would be much less important. Making a plan before the game such as that holds little value--things change so much once the game starts that what really counts is what goes on within the course of the game.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 12:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
Yes, I think you're right Lance, in that the game play is constantly shifting and changing, like a living thing.

Alliances often shift from one tribal council to the next, so they all have to be constantly on their toes, so to speak.

One thing I think I can say, without fear of contradiction...if you were in an alliance with Rudy, nothing short of a landshark devouring him, would sever that alliance! :-)



Gina8642
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06-01-2001

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quote:

I thought from what Jeff said, that they were unaware of who would be on the all star show until they got there.


In theory, this was how it was supposed to work. However, most or all of the cast broke the rules this time around. The end of the game was very well spoiled if you read sucks, as well as many of the important plot points. IMO - it's clear that much of that information came from the contestants themselves. It was also clear that many of players broke the 'no contact' rule both before and after filming.

(For example, Jenna M and Ethan went from 'just friends' to 'dating' during a time they weren't even supposed to be speaking. Just as Amber and Rob saw each other nearly every weekend, and are now engaged. There was definately not 'no contact'. JennaM implied in at least one interview that she was still phoning folks right up to the moment she left for the island. I'm sure a few followed the rules. I think for others, the only question was, was who would be on their tribe.)

I also agree with Lance, that making alliances pre-show is not a good idea. I'm not sure I would have thought that pre all stars, but now that I've seen it, I think one needs to play with the cards one was dealt, rather than hoping something would works itself out at the very end of the game.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, May 21, 2004 - 7:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
"
Sunshyne, you had to know that your categorization would be highly offensive to people who have chosen social sciences as a career option. So speaking as a licensed clinical psychotherapist, let me add a third category to your list - people choose to help people sort through the pain, trauma, and confusion of life because it is what they are good at, what they enjoy, and what they feel led to do."
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I am sorry you felt personally antagonized at my comments about PEOPLE that I KNOW. Each one of them fit these two categories.

I did NOT know that some of you would CHOOSE to think that I was trying to offend you. Unless someone has faced issues in life I cant imagine anyone remarking that "it is what they are good at, what they enjoy, and what they feel led to do."

To help people is a noble profession.
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SIGH!! Survivor is over. I am in WITHDRAWL!!!!