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Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Lisa and her hubby bicker a lot naturally, but it looked like he was not happy with Lisa's droning and basically he told her he wanted to get far away from her. (The feeling I got was that he missed Sam and her happier, lighthearted attitude and didn't like Lisa's "downer" attitude.) She really ripped on the CA family a lot.

Lori
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04-18-2003

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 6:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Who knows why Sam's husband was upset with the kids getting specific things...probably wanted more for himself! Yuck...did not like that man.

Lisa's husband basically was annoyed with her whinning and complaining and just needed to get away from her for awhile. Like Julie said, it looked pretty normal...have a feeling they fight like that a lot.
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Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It was an interesting show. Lisa and the rich family deserved each other. They all were awful and the neighbours acted like juvenile bullies.

Lisa is abrasive and less than loveable, but her family and friends were much better and more gracious than the California brat pack.



Cablejockey
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12-27-2001

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I found the California family and friends disturbing. If they were able to act that rude and smug with a camera crew right in their faces, how bad would they have been if they were not being watched?
Lisa's family were normal and endearing, I just don't understand what Lisa's probelem is. But how awful for her to hear how much her family liked and missed Samantha.
Next week's show looks interesting with the switching of dads.

Lori
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04-18-2003

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 7:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL...wait until the California group see how they are portrayed! Especially the dark haired woman (Nomi) whom they kept showing opening her mouth wide and laughing insanely about Lisa being a dential hygenist!

Hippyt
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06-15-2001

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Lisa has a screw loose. She never tried to fit in with the family,she was ripping them,their house,the yard,the noise,their lifestyle from day one. She was snarky and rude. She kept saying I am a guest,but had no problem getting on the little girl for her singing abilities. She took her abrasive personality and she got what she deserved,imho.
I can guarantee you when she watched this show though,her focus would be on the icky Cali women. She will away thinking she did nothing wrong,because for Lisa,it's all about her.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
hmmmm my impression was the neighbors were out talking to lisa, and lisa's personality just threw them, like her need to be abrasive and self important, I think it seemed rediculous to the Calif neighbors, and then I think a "gang mentality" unfortunately took over.

A lot had to do with how Lisa came across from the get go, she was abrassive, and strong willed, and the kids tried to stay away, didnt know how to relate to her, and she didnt know how to relate either... so of course they sat in opposite corners.

With Samantha, the Lisa's husband mentioned how soft spoken she was, and how she listened, and how opposite she was of Lisa... I think Samantha should be credited with trying to get along, at first she was very off put by thier lifestyle, not healthy food, not exercising, all that tv watching, and yet she gives them money to buy a tv and surround system along with a new sofa sectional... again, she seemed more genuine, and I think she would keep up a correspondence with the kids. . . but Lisa really sneered at that idea - I think LIsa felt that Samantha was as fake as Samantha's friends came across.

I saw Lisa with a what goes around,comes around. I dont know what time she came home, but her family sleeping seemed odd to me, and overly dramatic as they made a point of saying goodbye to Samantha.

Bizee
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08-17-2002

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 8:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I hope that Samantha watches this and is horrified at her friends. She doesn't seem to be that way, but maybe with them she is.....

Hope they are all totally embarassed at the complete asses that they are.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That's not nice...

I really don't think the friends were asses at all. I think they were likely justified--as some posters noted, she got what she gave and she never tried to be gracious or never tried to fit in.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 8:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That OC dad is such an @ss! Why did he even sign up for this show??

Tearose65
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06-03-2004

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 8:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think Lisa made the best impression nor did she make herself presence the most welcoming it could be.. but those people in Laguna Beach were pompous, plastic, demeaning, and fake.. everything everybody has to say about negative southern california people was shown in those people... How typical, wonder if Laguna Beach is proud

how big was her trailer? how totally disgusting....

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 8:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I bet the OC mom is going to be so disappointed in her kids for acting that way...how can she be so sweet and her kids so self centered?? and her DH doesn't deserve her

Mizinvanccouver
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02-22-2003

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 9:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just finished watching and I can't stand Sam's children. Both of her children act like bored spoiled brats. As Pamy mentioned I can't believe how self-absorbed they are and I'm surprised Sam's children have such attitude.

Lisa is very abrasive but those women in Cali should have rose above that if they knew that (they even said) that LIsa is insecure and tried to warm her up.

I can't stand Sam's husband. I
I get the feeling that her husband might realize that they are not a good fit. Even her neighbors said it was much quieter over there. I didn't like the way Lisa was making fun of Sam's letter to the family.

Bottom line I think Lisa really needs to do some soul searching so she can be a happier person and quite nagging, bitching, complaining continuously before she alienates her husband and family.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 10:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I never like hearing people talk about how someone is jealous of them, but in this case I don't think the California friends were doing it to be demeaning, snobby, or "complete asses." I think they were trying to figure out the reason for her behavior and comments. I certainly didn't find their attitude as snobby as hers when she put down their neighborhood, lifestyle, and parenting skills. I don't think Lisa's family enjoyed listening to her deride Samantha's lifestyle either.

Lisa came across as very defensive and more concerned with their differences than the rest of them were. The way they kept showing the same clip of the friends laughing to make them seem evil was ridiculous. This is the same woman who had bragged that all their houses could fit in her yard and then insulted their paint color. That's why I didn't feel too outraged when the neighbor then asked "So how big is your trailer?" If you dish it out, be ready to take it.

I couldn't understand why she expected the husband to treat her like a guest. The whole point of this show is that she's the wife, not a guest. If he's hosting a party, she's the hostess.

On the subject of the children, I don't care how spoiled or lazy someone's kids are. They're still children. You don't heckle them when they're trying to accomplish something. At that point I felt Lisa was trying way too hard to play the role of villain for the cameras. Perhaps she was coached by the producers. It just felt too fake. I think even she knew she had gone too far, and then tried to tell the boy not to take it too hard.

Lkunkel
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10-29-2003

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 11:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sam inadvertently made two missteps when meeting Lisa the first time: first, she told her that while going in to tell Eric goodbye, he woke up and said he loved her; and second, she told Lisa that her hubby had set the alarm to not only be awake, but to also be up. If you remember when Lisa left, Eric had said he would not miss anything about his mom, and hubby didn't get up OR say anything but shut (or lock) the door.

Were the Californians rude? You bet. But Lisa did nothing to make herself personable. The party wasn't to treat her as a guest--she was the HOSTESS. But, let's face it, she had already been rude in front of the music teacher, which I wouldn't have stood for--the teacher was in charge--not Lisa and that was a time Sam's hubby should have spoken up.

Lisa's natural behavior is loud and abrasive. Sam noted that all she had learned about Lisa is that she had balls--which is not generally the description that a wife, mother, and dental therapist wants to have bandied about. But for me a telling fact of how Lisa comes across was in Lisa's NEIGHBORS commenting that it had been a quieter week; I guess that while her backyard may hold the 5 houses and yards in Samantha's cul-de-sac, her property borders are not expansive enough to keep her voice from carrying across the street.

The gifts didn't make sense. If Lisa wanted to give Sam's family the "gift of time" then what was with this allotment:
10,000: Orthodontia for Katie
10,000: Swimming Pool Slide for Katie (Is the pool even DEEP enough for one?)
15,000: Jacuzzi for Zack to relax his tired muscles
15,000: Family room furniture so they can spend time together
Why not have them go on a vacation together? Or do an activity together? There's nothing in there that seems conducive to them being a family.

Sam's monetary decisions actually address the family as a whole--except the college funds; I loved how she explained her reasoning for the sofa as "so Katie doesn't have to give up her room for guests," which made it seem even more thoughtful.
03,000: sectional sleeper sofa
03,500: big screen TV and surround sound theater system
05,000: hot tub
05,000: for Katelyn's college fund
05,000: for Eric's college fund
13,500: all-inclusive paid trip to Cancun for the family
15,000: deck for hot tub (might be enough to fix pool as part of deck!)

Lisa was making fun of Samantha's letter from the opening--but didn't realize SHE was the only one laughing. Sam thanked them for the opportunity to share her values, morals, and her positive, optimistic look ... by the time Lisa hit "optimistic" she was laughing in a cackly "I-don't-believe-this" way. The END of Sam's letter was what I thought was the most touching point, and I hope that Eric is allowed to keep that part of the letter and can reread it when his family isn't laughing at him about his sweet sensitive side. I thought it was a wonderful bit of reinforcement.

Yeah, they may interact with barbs and jabs, but I did note that Kate was wearing the outfit she and Sam had purchased and that even Dad had let up on the barbs. I grew up with it, and, while it may seem like good fun, it's pure hell on the old self-esteem.

I wish they wouldn't have edited out what Lisa was snapping at Eric about regarding his sandwich. When Hubby stormed out he and his plate were gone, while his milk was still on the table. During the exchange, Kate muttered that she really missed Samantha.

If the exchange as the scene opened was accurate, this family may not be together at this point:
Lisa: Why have I been with you for 28 years?
Hubby: Because I've been too lazy to go out and find somebody else?
Lisa: No, it's because of my positive attitude.

The whole mocking of the positive attitude may actually stir hubby into action--especially since we (Potshot and I) think Lisa is alcohol-sensitive and her excuse of "this family is driving me to drink" made me wonder how sloshed she was most of the time in California. I also wonder if that was one reason Sam's hubby didn't give her anything to drink on the boat: she's abrasive enough sober, and she is not a sweet drunk.

Forum_moderator
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01-01-2004

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 5:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
While this episode may invoke strong emotions,
let's remember that name calling is not allowed.



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Momsandy
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07-05-2004

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 6:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wasn't sure if I would but I really enjoyed watching this show. I also thought that I would cheer on Lisa from her humble home (more like mine) than I would Sam and her lifestyle (not at all like mine).

In the end, I felt sorry for Sam's children and how they came across on the show. It could not have been easy for the children - who are used to Sam's sunny disposition - to know how to react to Lisa's overbearing, criticizing and negative personality, thereby coming across (wrongly, IMHO) as rude. Same for the neighbors. I think they were probably a little shocked into their behavior by Lisa's rude behavior. If she was expecting to be treated as a guest, she certainly should have acted as a guest. She chose to make a misguided attempt at 'reforming' the family.

Surprisingly, I thought Sam was refreshing and went against my stereotypical perception of a 'rich' person - she was so down to earth and when I thought she would judge the regular family, she chose to try to lift the children's spirits and give them a healthy dose of attention that I am thinking is sorely lacking in their lives.

I'm choosing to think that Sam will keep in touch with the kids - they seemed to have genuinely touched her heart. I hope Lisa does not stand in the way of that.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 7:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I hated how lisa made fun of Sam's letter. Especially when Sam wrote to Eric, something like under his exterior is a gentle soul, and Lisa totally was making fun of it and in turn Eric couldn't "enjoy" it... That was really mean.

Chieko
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11-20-2003

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Momsandy, thanks for saying what I wanted about Sam's kids. Pamy and Mizvan...honestly I didn't see the kids being rude or self centered- just withdrawn from a personality they didn't know how to deal with. I've been around people like Lisa, you just try to avoid them and head in the opposite direction. Did I miss something? Pamy and Mizvan I would like you to point out specific incidents where the children acted rude or spoiled. Actually, I thought Katie looked like a sweet little girl who would have been fun to get to know if she would have tried, and I never saw her have one positive comment to say about Zach. Did I miss it?

Autumn
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10-29-2003

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 8:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This was my first time catching the show and I didn't see all of it (my nephews dropped by and they are a precious priority) but I did see Lisa outside with the neighbours and I disagree that they were rude. (not the mention the look on my face when the cameras panned to the hole in the wall from Lisa whipping the door open! Hello!)

From what I caught, Lisa headed outside then proceeds to tell the neighbours she could fit all their houses into her backyard - basically putting them down. These aren't so great, I could fit all this into my backyard. Then she's a "dental therapist." She barks that she doesn't do "cleanings" so when the confused lady asks for clarification she says: "I do cleanings." Uhm...isn't that what she just asked before you got snippy? It seemed to me that the neighbours had attempted to make conversation and Lisa took every opportunity to take a shot so I don't see how, when the tables were turned, they are the rude ones.

I saw a tiny bit on the yacht ~ where she stood in the background waiting for everyone to make her feel welcome and for the husband to get her a drink. Uh...you're the hostess - mingle, greet people and ask if they'd like something to eat or drink. That's kind of the point.

I know I'm in the minority here and was just gonna hush cuz admittedly I don't watch the program but I wanted to say something about the neighbour situation. Again, its just my opinion. *steps down and walks away*

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Autumn-I totally agree with you!!!

I think anything the friends/neighbors said was totally justified. Why did Lisa thing she was a princess and not the host?

I did not think Zach and Katie were rude at all. (Anyone see the clip-was only a clip, not actually on the show--I think--when Lisa said to zach (as he was batting) "You stink.") Might have even been "you suck"

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 8:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I didn’t blame Sam’s children for being distant. They aren’t use to being verbally abused, unlike Lisa’s children. The min Lisa walked in that house she was on those kids. Anyone with the slightest amount of respect for themselves would distance themselves from a person like Lisa.

As soon as Sam walked back into her home both children’s faces lit up with the biggest smiles. That says a lot about Sam and her relationship with her kids.

Sam’s husband was a <el> as were the neighbors. Even though I believe that Lisa was rude and unfriendly to the neighbors, the neighbors made themselves look as bad as Lisa. There were no winning personalities in California.

Back to Sam’s kids. I admired them for holding their tongues. They must have been taught that if you can’t say something nice say nothing.

I thought Sam made an effort and Lisa didn’t. That too says a lot.


Mizinvanccouver
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02-22-2003

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Chieko- Sam's daughter was not even remotely interested when Lisa arrived and just moped (sp?) on the couch even BEFORE Lisa started her picking on everyone. As for when the daughter was singing, I sort of agree with Lisa as far as her body language but she didn't have to keep picking on her. One comment would have been enough.

Honestly the 2 children just seemed lifeless and there were many times I myself just wanted to wipe the smirk off of the daughters face. She just seemed to have attitude and acted like she was better than Lisa, right from the start. I can't give too many examples because they just didn't talk it was their body language that spoke volumes to me.

I am not justifying Lisa's behaviour. Lisa is very insecure and her defensiveness shows it.

I have to say this AGAIN: You would have thought the Cali women being that THEY SAW AND COMMENTED Lisa was insecure could warm her up. I myself know how to warm up people like her, ESPECIALLY if I was on TV.

Also at the very end yes, Sam's children were estatic to have her back but if you look at the very last clip you can see her daughter pulling on her gums making faces and the son again just sitting like a lump on a log lifeless on the couch. Both children seem very unmotivated to me but this could also be the editing.

Anyway bottom line I really enjoyed Sam, Lisa's family but did not enjoy Sam's husband and children but alas that's what made the show so entertaining!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I didn't see any smirk on Katie. She was kinda mopey, but not smirky and I never got any impression that she thought she was any better than Lisa, I think she's a little young for that...

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I didn't particularly care for Samantha's family, but if I'd had to put up with Lisa for a week, I probably wouldn't come off all that well, either.

They go to a restaurant and she gets drunk, loud, and abrasive. She tore the kids down unmercifully--that baseball batting scene was absolutely dreadful and the singing stuff pretty insensitive, too.

Won't give the neighbours a pass, though. No matter how they may have detested Lisa, they could have contained themselves for one evening.