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Lori
Member
04-18-2003
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 11:07 am
The thing I noticed most about Zach and Katie (although this could be due to editing) was the fact that they did not answer Lisa when she spoke to them. This happened repeatedly. Even my 16 year old very hormonal/moody son commented on how odd that was. Of course I think the kids took cues from their dad...he wasn't all that gracious. }
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Peeper
Member
06-14-2004
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 12:39 pm
I agree with you Lori, the dad was not interacting with Lisa, so the kids probably felt like they did not have to either. I did not like the way Lisa was critizing Sam's kids. That was uncalled for IMO. I really like the way Sam took time with Lisa's kids especially when she took Eric to the restaurant to cook with the chef. I did not like the way the Sam seemed to rub in Lisa's face the fact that Lisa's family seemed to really love Sam and were going to miss her. I hated the way Lisa spent the money. Why braces for the little girl? That almost seemed like an insult to me and may have been embarrassing for the little girl.
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Tk4x5
Member
07-10-2004
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 12:49 pm
One of the neighbor's did say on the boat she wondered why Lisa thought being a dental hygienist was something to be ashamed of/hide. re: Lisa's earlier comments to the same neighbor about being a dental therapist NOT a dental hygienist. I didn't get it either and from the looks of the Cali folks teeth I would surmise they spend a great deal of time w. dental care professionals. Were the ladies rude on the boat? It could be construed (or edited) that way. However, they may have thought Lisa as rude for disppearing first on the boat and then at the house. No one really seemed to want to exclude her, she did that all by herself. ETA: The Cali father seemed like he's one of those people that is always wound tight. Someone that likes things done a certain way all the time, black and white, no gray and very little spontaneity. What surprised me was the amount of $$$ he makes as a private yacht captain!! Who knew?
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Kellsma
Member
08-28-2002
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 12:55 pm
I love all the comments. I am one of those Californians living in OC. Sam's family was from Aliso Viejo, a brand new community and city. It is very nice but it is not a "rich" community. It is just as Sam said, upper middle class. I really don't think they have a maid, they have a cleaning person that probably comes in once a week or once every two weeks. Mose people around her do. Same with the gardner. It is very inexpensive. If they wanted really rich, they woud have gone to Newport Beach! The beach they went to is Salt Creek Beach, it is not in Laguna Beach-as a matter of fact my daughter is there right now at Junior Lifeguards. I think this show was all about editing. They wanted to show true culture clashes. I can guarantee you that we have plenty of woment out here just like Lisa. They just did not show any :>). I was glad to see how Sam's kids acted when she got home. It shows that you get what you give and she seems like an incredible Mom and that is what the kids relate to. We've been to those batting cages too! It was fun to watch and look for stuff we could recognize.
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Lkunkel
Member
10-29-2003
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 12:56 pm
I did love the hole in the wall from the door. Autumn: I more than agree about the neighbors at the house--but I wasn't happy with their conduct on the boat/yacht. By that point, the dark haired woman had filled in the other women, so I don't think Lisa had a chance. Add to that, that Sam's hubby DIDN'T introduce her to everyone, which was rude and so was the comment "I see you've got someone else doing the scutwork." I agree: Lisa WAS the hostess and should have gone over and mingled. But I didn't even see that there was a place for her to really sit with them AND the whole "she doesn't just clean teeth, she does therapy" was a little offputting. Of course, it also amazed me that Sam's Katie was 12. She seemed more like 7-to-10-year-old group in height and mannerisms. I was a little surprised (I dunno why!) about Lisa's attitude about Katie's and Zach's "passions". Are they good? No, but the kids, seemingly, have fun and enjoy them. But then, her own son has a passion for being a chef that she doesn't see--yet Sam did in under 4 days. I mean, regardless of what they do with their lives, they will at least, have something that they can return to as a stress reliever. ETA: Peeper: I agree about the braces--that was just weird. I commented above about it being an inadvertant misstep. I took it to mean that she was trying to comment on how positive Lisa's family made it for her--not knowing about the disaster at her house.
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Autumn
Member
10-29-2003
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 1:25 pm
I must go to too many family functions and events for others because I'm never introduced ~ especially when helping the host ~ just tossed in and you mingle and make others feel welcome. Roll up your sleeves, put on the smile and go to it. That's just what you do - perhaps its done differently down there. I didn't catch a lot of the yacht stuff but my immediate reaction to "she doesn't just clean teeth, she does therapy" (from reading it in your post above) was the lady explaining to the others as it was explained to her. She knew from experience not to mention 'cleaning teeth.'
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Lori
Member
04-18-2003
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 1:31 pm
The whole "cleaning teeth" business was odd. Lisa told the neighbors she did therapy but when pressed, she said she cleaned teeth. I didn't understand it at all...maybe she was embarrassed by it, although I cannot imagine why. Lisa was very very insecure about everything.}
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Mizinvanccouver
Member
02-22-2003
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 2:23 pm
Julieboo-Katie's general attitude from the start was,"My mom is better than you..." IMO She didn't say that but her body language. Remember this is IMO only. Actually Lori pegged it for me...it's been bugging me why exactly those kids irked me so much. Lori-You pegged it for me! I couldn't figure out why I disliked Sam's kids so much but you said it! It's because they wouldn't answer Lisa. Nothing infuriates me more than when someone ignores me. Thanks for nailing that one on the head for me!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 4:38 pm
Mizin, using only body language, how does one convey "My mom is better than you?" Not trying to give you a hard time (really) but I don't see how body language can express that? (I'm trying to imagine that in Charades!) 
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 7:53 pm
Has anyone found any info on these ppl after the show?? I would love to watch the moms watch the show and see their reactions..I bet Sam would be so embarrased at how her family acted. Did they give the OC's family's last name??? I want to look them up...LOL
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Lkunkel
Member
10-29-2003
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 8:17 pm
Pilek. Jurek and Samantha Pilek.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 9:35 pm
Thanks Lk!! LOL his name looks like Jerk
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Lkunkel
Member
10-29-2003
| Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 9:44 pm
I thought it was just the way Lisa pronounced it. So, I rechecked the tape...nope.
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Willwillbee
Member
09-20-2001
| Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 2:44 am
Lkunkel wrote: The gifts didn't make sense. If Lisa wanted to give Sam's family the "gift of time" then what was with this allotment: 10,000: Orthodontia for Katie 10,000: Swimming Pool Slide for Katie (Is the pool even DEEP enough for one?) 15,000: Jacuzzi for Zack to relax his tired muscles 15,000: Family room furniture so they can spend time together *I* think she spent the money on things they didn't need just to piss them off. Katie didn't look like she needed braces. Who *wants* a $10,000 slide??? It didn't look like they needed new furniture & probably not a jacuzzi (these were things *she* wanted for herself)
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 5:36 am
I agree Will..she picked those things to piss them off. hahahah
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Lkunkel
Member
10-29-2003
| Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 11:59 am
When, in the end, after the time Sam spent on the selections for Lisa's family, it really comes back and bites Lisa in the butt showing her how petty she really was. I guess i didn't think about that when I wrote it. I didn't want to think she was that petty...but I guess she was.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 12:26 pm
Yep, I think her spending was not thought out well. The braces thing may even have embarrassed (or insulted) Katie. What if she liked her teeth. The jacuzzi & family room furniture were things her (lisa's) family wanted. Not sure about the slide.
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Blacksheep
Member
10-18-2003
| Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 12:28 pm
Petty pegs Lisa perfectly. It just goes to show her true personality, all I can say is that I feel sorry for her kids having to grow up in a household like hers. Negativity whether it is made jokingly or not can cause security issues in kids. Guess because she was an insecure kid she feels the need to pass on the gift that keeps giving. Her comments about the Pilek kids abilities was just pathetic - who cares if the kids are stars or not, if that is their dream you should try to help them attain that dream, not knock them down into the dirt because you don't feel they have the born talent. All the talent in the world won't get you anywhere without determination, positive reinforcement and alot of time spent working to improve. Whether or not we liked how the Pilek family played out on TV, it appears that the parents are all for giving their kids a positive outlook on making their dreams come true. Regardless if either of them make it, it's the groundwork that will make them successful in the future at whatever career they end up in. I'd take parents like than any day of the week. PS. Lisa, batting cages are best used to improve fundamentals (stance, footwork, timing, etc) - not hitting every ball outta the park or swinging at every pitch. [/rant - oops didn't mean to write so much! lol]
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Lori
Member
04-18-2003
| Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 2:15 pm
LOL Mizinvanccouver...I hate to be ignored as well! I agree Lisa's choices for the money were not thought out at all...wonder if she asked any of them what they wanted? p.s. the batting cage scene really showed Lisa's attitude. Who belittles a kid in a batting cage? Geez!
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Sillycalimomma
Member
11-13-2003
| Friday, August 13, 2004 - 2:14 pm
Oh man this last switch was a doozey! I really felt bad for Lisa's kids to tell you the truth. I grew up in a family very similar to that and it is horrible to a girls self esteem (can't speak much for my brother though) I learned really well to mask my true feelings and make it seem as though I was much stronger than I really was. I wish we could get some updates on these families after they have watched the show themselves. I hope that the kids got to stay in touch at least-sam seemed to make a good impression on them. Speaking from my own experience though-I had someone like that in my life when I was 12 and although they did wonders for me I wasn't able to keep in touch with them because of my own family dynamics. It is a shame. I feel as though Lisa really is doing a lot of harm to her family with all her negativity-you could really see the difference if you ask me....or maybe that was just some GREAT editing....
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Lkunkel
Member
10-29-2003
| Friday, August 13, 2004 - 2:55 pm
Silly: ITA. As to the editing, it didn't look too edited when Katie murmured that she wished Sam was there while Lisa was yelling at her spouse.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, August 13, 2004 - 5:00 pm
A friend of mine may be in a show. I'll find out more shortly. It would be a hoot, cuz this chick is pretty much no holds barred and is very feisty. They are having her fedex a one hour tape and they only gave her 24 hrs to send it.
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Hhacker
Member
06-05-2004
| Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 4:23 pm
I find it strange that as much as it appeared that Lisa was a miserable mother her kids seemed so nice, real and well adjusted. While Sam seemed like such a compassionate mother and yet her family was anything but that. Do all these traits come from the fathers? I think there is a lot more than meets the eye here.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 6:23 pm
I thought Sam's kids were fine. It struck me that whomever Lisa was around, she was so negative that she was like a walking black cloud. I'd be miserable if I were Sam's kids and had to deal with her heckling me while I pursued my interests. That kind of stuff is child abuse as far as I'm concerned and we saw with Sam's kids how quickly it harms esteem and works against years of positive reinforcement.
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Hippyt
Member
06-15-2001
| Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 9:28 pm
you said it
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