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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, June 25, 2004 - 4:17 pm
They could totally pull that one off too, people will be expecting rip-offs of Apprentice!!!! Are there any other boards that are talking about this show?? I would love to hear more thoughts on it.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, June 25, 2004 - 9:11 pm
It’s disappointing that the show isn’t getting better ratings. I think that the main problem is that very few people have heard of it. I think it also loses some potential audience simply because there may be a stigma among female viewers associated with it being on a “Men’s” channel. I may be stereotyping here (please forgive me) but I doubt that many Joe Schmo viewers are wrestling fans and I doubt that many wrestling fans would be interested in Joe Schmo. I’m a guy and even I have to admit that I can’t recall watching much else on Spike other than Joe Schmo. To be honest, I’m a little mystified that Spike is doing the show. I particularly like the background scenes showing the production staff and the actors. Actually, I wish that Big Brother would show more of the background behind the scenes stuff – it would be interesting. I love shows that poke fun at the establishment and ironically reality TV has become the establishment. There is so much potential for this. The idea about an ”apprentice” parody for next season is hilarious. All I can say is that Joe Schmo is a great show and we enjoy it!
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Friday, June 25, 2004 - 11:59 pm
well like I said, I bet some of the ratings problems are coming from Nip/Tuck over on FX....it's in the same timeslot (Outback Jack isn't, whoever said that was right) zap2it said it got 3.8 million viewers for the premiere (which had a gimmick being it was commercial free that night only)....but I think part of that was it got a whole lot of publicity leading up to it--such as a TV Guide cover. JS2 didn't get as much, so it hurt it. I don't remember what exactly the ratings were last season...but it didn't start going up signifigantly until week 5 or 6 I think. Maybe the word of mouth will increase like it did last season.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 1:28 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they base the ratings on just the number of people who were chosen to be "Nielson" viewers for that week or two or however they do it? I've never been asked - or they'd know that show is on here! The first week, we watched while it was on and we were taping it, AND we watched it when it replayed. So Nielsons... PICK US! PICK US!!! Re: The Spike TV being for "Men" - I have a friend (male) who hated that they called Liftime television for women since he liked a lot of shows there. I don't much care what they call the channel if I like something, but I can't think of anything else I watch regularly on Spike. It's more like if I'm flipping through the channels and something looks good, I'll watch it.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 4:35 am
I was actually an Arbitron rater for awhile - what a pain in the butt. They brought about 5 boxes to your house to record and send what you were watching (this was in the 80s, probably more high tech now.) They paid you some minimal fee to cover the electricity and then bugged you to high heaven if you were not watching "enough" TV. Oh and the configuration of the boxes totally messed up the way you would set your VCR, and I don't think I ever figured that out!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 12:22 pm
I think they are trying to come up with a TIVO rating system, now THAT would be a lot more accurate!
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 2:11 pm
I filled out a ratings diary for a couple of times (1 book for every tv in the house). You also noted when you recorded shows to be watched later. At the end of the week, you sent in all the diaries and you got a dollar for each booklet. Not overnight ratings, but used for something. You could also note your favorite shows that maybe you didn't get to watch that particular week. Meanwhile, Schmo Producers, call EW, give them something juicey and fun to publish (like they do for the other reality shows). Yeah, about Nip/Tuck, you couldn't go five minutes without hearing or seeing something about the new season - as if it was the best thing since, uhm, sliced bread???? It was EVERYWHERE!! (and a little annoying - like it was being slammed down my throat that I should be watching it and I'm inferior if I'm not). 'squeek'
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 2:23 pm
I taped Nip/Tuck and watched Joe! That's what everyone should do! Hell, I have to tape 6 shows on Tues!! Joe would probably do better on Wed at 9
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 2:24 pm
ps..Nip/Tuck was good but no where close to as good as Joe was this week!!!
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Muggum
Member
05-19-2004
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 4:49 pm
Spike has a press department that's constantly at work trying to get every publication and show to devote space or time to Joe. So they're on it as much as they can be.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 6:33 pm
I watch Joe, not Nip/Tuck. But personally, I would be willing to watch Julian MacMahon read the phone book. That is one hot guy! I even check the "Charmed" reruns to see if he is on! Along with that competition, BBC America also shows Design Rules on Tuesdays. And this Tuesday is the Real World finale. Let's see, I think I can record three things and watch one...
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Therlin
Member
08-20-2000
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 7:35 pm
Two of my friends have decided not to watch Joe 2 because they say it's a mean show this time around. In Joe 1 the guy just wanted some money, and he got it. In Joe 2 they are playing with the contestant's emotions. I wonder if others feel the same and rather not be involved with it in any way.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 8:01 pm
Interesting......it never occurred to me that they were "playing with contestant's emotions". I think both Tim and Ingrid come across as level headed people.....I can't imagine that Ingrid would actually fall for that glossy, fake-as-anything "bachelor" who made it obvious that he was shallow when he eliminated the ethnic girls first (Ingrid paid attention to that and it bugged her)....and the same goes for Tim and the "bachelorette" who got rid of the fat guy at the first opportunity. My guess is that they are both just *playing a game* and neither of them expect to fall in love in a couple of weeks.....especially since the producers seem to have gone out of their way to pick a couple of lackluster "prizes" that would be difficult for the two down to earth Schmos to actually fall in love with! Let's face it, the "prizes" are pretty....but they're also pretty vapid! I could be wrong, but that's my take on it. It's funny but it doesn't seem mean at all. Nobody's gonna get hurt this season. Besides, they made it a point to say at the beginning that they were not having any of the actors work to become a "best friend" to a Schmo like they did last year because it really did hurt Matt's feelings when he discovered his new "friend" was just an actor. Nah....not mean at all - the two Schmoes will have a great laugh at the end!
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 8:19 pm
It concerned me that they would be playing with emotions too, then I saw the show . As Sanfran said, I think they purposely chose a couple who were down to earth and would be realistic about a dating show, and then they are going out of their way to make the bachelor/bachelorette pair as unattractive (other than looks) as possible. I think, as with Matt, they struck gold with Ingrid. The guy doesn't appeal to me though.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 9:22 pm
What Kitt said.. exactly.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 8:01 am
Therlin, you should tell your friends that this show is actually NICER than most of those dating shows! I think they are going out of their way to NOT let the Schmo's fall in love with Piper/whatshisname. I agree with Kitt that they are making the pair unattractive.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 8:03 am
I forgot about the Playa 'tea bagging' ROTF we had a big convo about this is my folder last week!!! Another gem, I forgot, Derek says something like..'comming up, the most shocking tease about the most shocking ceremony yet!' LOL
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Theowl
Member
09-28-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 8:30 am
They also offered money to the winners, so that is what the Schmo's will aim for more than love anyway. 
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Therlin
Member
08-20-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 10:33 am
While I agree with what is being said here (the show has been as un-romantic as possible), I am afraid that people are choosing not to watch the show because they think that the Schmos will end up hurt (they just don't know it won't happen because they are not watching it)
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 11:15 am
That's probably true, Therlin....of course that makes one beg to wonder why "For Love or Money", "Joe Millionaire", and "Average Joe" were so popular....those shows were actually promoted as "true romance" shows with contestants whose motives were manipulated with cash prizes, so they definitely could not be trusted. I figure if folks avoid the show because they have preconceived false notions of what they assume is going to happen....it's just the sign of a closed mind. I tried watching SuperstarUSA.....but I couldn't get through an entire episode until the finale....then I watched the whole hour to see how it ended. I literally cringed all the way through it....it was so mean to pick people who had real dreams and then make utter fools of them the way they did. JS2 just doesn't come across as intentially mean as SuperstarUSA (and others) did. (edited top add - Therlin, you should print out this page and show it to your friends that are avoiding the show....maybe they'll think again, give it a chance and help the ratings!)
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 12:08 pm
Sanfran, ITA about Superstar, I watched and cringed the whole time, I LOL but felt guilty, well not too guilty since I kept watching!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 12:28 pm
I was confused about the new schedule, the following was posted at Tivocommunity, I thought I would pass on here in case anyone was confused as I was .... The Monday at 11:05 PM airing is now the first new airing of JS2. According to Rhett, earlier in this thread, the rest of the airings remain unchanged... they'll still do a repeat of the previous week's episode on Tuesday at 9, then run the new week's show at 10. The only difference: the show will have already aired on Monday night. So, the site was right to change the listing to Monday at 11(:05), but if you don't like wrasslin' and want to still watch on Tuesdays at 10, it won't affect you, aside from being exposed to spoilers all day Tuesday...
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Ladybug007
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 12:59 pm
<This post may contain spoiler information. Use your mouse to highlight the text if you wish to read it.> Contestant doesn't buy 'Schmo' ruse An Agoura Hills series, in which actors pretend to be contestants on a fake reality show, failed to fool one of the two dupes -- a woman who has monitored foreign elections. By Dave Mason, dmason@VenturaCountyStar.com June 27, 2004 On Tuesday's episode of "Joe Schmo 2," Ingrid Wiese, a contractor with the United Nations and governmental agencies, will get confirmation that her suspicions are correct: The "reality" show "Last Chance for Love" is fake. "Joe Schmo 2" airs at 10 p.m. and is Spike TV's highest-rated original series. The show's premise is that Wiese and Tim Walsh, both Washington, D.C., residents, are being misled to believe they're on a reality show, "Last Chance for Love." They're supposedly competing with other men and women for the affections of bachelor Austin Newton Rice (actor Tim Herzog) and bachelorette Piper Davidson (Valerie Azlynn). But actually, everyone on the show except Wiese and Walsh are actors. (So far, Walsh hasn't figured out he's being misled.) "I tortured the producers," Wiese joked, laughing. The episodes showed executive producers Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick and others in the control booth talking quickly to figure out how to keep fooling Wiese, who voiced suspicions from the start. There were clues In a phone interview last week, Wiese, 30, praised the actors but said she saw several clues that the series, filmed at an Agoura Hills mansion, was fake. The last straw was when Cammy (played by Jana Speaker) told her in the episode airing Tuesday that she was worried about her pornographic past catching up with her. That was too over-the-top for Wiese. But even then, Wiese, who was enjoying the experience, said she didn't tell the producers she knew she was being misled. "I didn't want them to kick me off the show; I wanted to see what would happen next." But Wiese said the producers could see she had the whole thing figured out, and Tuesday, British host Derek Newcastle (played by American actor Ralph Garman) lists all the things that made her suspicious and tells her she's right. (The series will continue with the actors trying to keep Walsh fooled.) "A feeling of relief washed over me," Wiese said. "I realized, 'I'm not crazy. I'm not paranoid.' " Wiese's suspicions about the series began soon after a casting director followed Wiese and a friend out of a bar in Washington, D.C. When Wiese asked if she could e-mail back a questionnaire the director requested, she was given a Yahoo address. "They were being very secretive about the origin of this show," Wiese said. "We didn't even know the name of the show." The casting director simply told Wiese it was a reality relationship show. "My initial feeling was this was going to be a comedy," Wiese said about her first day of filming in March in Agoura Hills. "I was told this was an MTV production. I didn't think the other people were actors, but I never took this seriously." She said she came on the show for the adventure and a payment of $10,000. But her suspicions rose again when she asked fellow contestant Veronica how she got on the show. The actress playing Veronica slipped and said she got a call from her agent. Other clues followed. Fellow contestant Ernie Gallo, the supposed heir to Julio Gallo, got away with interrupting Newcastle, the host, with a Shakespearean quote. Strangely, that scene wasn't reshot even though other scenes interrupted by distractions such as airplanes had to be refilmed, Wiese said. She also got suspicious when Ernie (Steve Mallory) gave gifts in envelopes to the other contestants. "I thought, 'How did he know the exact number of envelopes to give out?' " Wiese said. Wiese said she also thought it was odd that her fellow female contestants gave what sounded like scripted monologues as they talked to Austin during the first elimination round. "I knew Ernie was fake; I knew Cammy was fake. I knew Tim was real," Wiese said. In addition, Wiese said she caught some of the actors being referred to by their real names instead of their characters' names. Those characters include a drunk, Rita (Natasha Leggero) -- Wiese, who used to work in bars, didn't think she was really drunk -- and Bryce the stalker (Kevin Kirkpatrick), who kept professing his love for Piper even after she kicked him off the show. Take it down a notch In another interview earlier this month, Reese said the producers had to walk the tightrope between making the series a funny spoof of reality shows and believable for Wiese and Walsh, a bartender and entrepreneur. Reese said he told the actors to leave the over-the-top scenes for specific scripted moments and not be outrageous all the time. Despite her appearance on "Joe Schmo 2," Wiese said she doesn't feel like she's suddenly famous. "I'm not looking for a career in Hollywood. I'm happy with my job." Wiese does various contracts for governmental agencies and the United Nations in conflict resolutions, work that has taken her to Bosnia and the former Soviet republic of Georgia, where she monitored elections. Wiese, who has a master's degree in international relations, said she didn't know whether her education necessarily made it more difficult for the "Joe Schmo" producers to fool her. She noted Walsh also is well educated. "The fact that I'm a woman and am intuitive may have made it harder," Wiese said. -- Dave Mason can be reached at dmason@VenturaCountyStar.com <314>
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 1:09 pm
I really do think, this is justb a way for her to save her own butt from America laughing at her for being tricked. I don't believe she "caught" on, as quickly as she says, but yes, I do believe she did catch on. But the people being refered to by therir real names seems pretty hard to believe for me, since the actors were introduced to each other under their fake names, and I've never seen anyone else (like the crew) call anyone by their real names.
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Ladybug007
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 1:11 pm
Is she even supposed to be talking to reporters?
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