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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 10:48 pm
<I would like to see more African-Americans in the public eye that help dissipate any lingering prejudices in our society.> You chose your words well, Buggles. No worries!
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 8:27 am
quote:because right now instead of just being on equal footing you have a slight advantage over the competition in many organizations.
That "slight advantage" is what puts them on an equal footing after years of prejudicial discrimination. (I will not get into an affirmative action argument, I will not get into an affirmative action argument....) Interesting how we only speak of how Omarosa represents African-Americans without also speaking of how Heidi represents Caucasians.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 8:43 am
If you only want to have a race debate, why not move to news&views. I agree with Buggles, Upstate and Prisoner.
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 8:53 am
O was on regis today and said "i didnt expect to get attacked for that injury" - and again pushed the powerful player and immediate threat things and how they were trying to keep the weakest so they would have a chance at the end- but then said the 8 before her had been the weakest - so it was all doubletalk as usual- (sigh) now she is pushing her own fashion line and motivational speaking tour etc etc - she really is making it worse and worse - at least for people who can see ALL of who she is
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Kittystj
Member
08-10-2001
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 9:00 am
Did anyone get a copy of Regis and Kelly show. I am at work.
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Eliz87
Member
07-30-2001
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 9:38 am
Prisoner, it's only being discussed because Omarosa brought up the subject. Notice also that no one is discussing how Kwame is "representing". To play another card, maybe it's just women who are so closely scrutinized -- nothing to do with race at all perhaps.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 9:43 am
Eliz, I agree completely -- please note I said earlier Omarosa was the only one who was saying she was representative of African-American women. I don't think this is a gender thing any more than it is a race thing. It's an Omarosa thing. She's the one saying silly things like they're trying to get rid of the strongest players first. I thought it was the Donald who fired her, not her teammates. Wouldn't the Donald want the best person for the job to win the game and get the presidency of one of his companies? Obviously, he didn't think it was her.
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Eliz87
Member
07-30-2001
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 9:46 am
Right. She really needs to watch the tapes objectively and see how abrasive her personality is. She accuses Heidi of being a trash-mouth, which she probably is, but Omarosa's attitude is even more offensive than the "F-bomb" IMO.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 10:11 am
TV Guide insider has a Q&A with Omarosa. She's a piece of work. I'd love to hear her definition of "strongest". http://www.tvguide.com/news/insider/ I agree with Upstate, Prisoner, and Buggles too.
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 10:31 am
I am an African American woman, the only reason I am glad Omarosa is gone is because she is such a vile person. She will land on her feet, do well, but she needs to move on, her stay on The Apprentice is history.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 10:37 am
She may not do so well marameko, she has given herself enough exposure that many corporate types would run from hiring her. Too much of a liability. Maybe she will go into selling bags with Monica Lewinsky.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 10:50 am
Awww, cassie thanks And thanks Julieboo , Brenda & Upstate. Prisoner, of course what you said is true about the intent of affirmative action. In actuality though, from an individual perspective, the people receiving the benefits are often just as 'advantaged' as caucasions. The ones I have met in school & the workplace do not come from broken families caught in the welfare cycle, but live in big houses in the suburbs with parents who are doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, etc. These people were on much better footing than many or most caucasions. In reality affirmative action benefits many individuals who are already on equal footing, they come from families who well overcame the effects of slavery & discrimination. They would be doing well anyway, and this gives them a competitive edge. African-Americans coming from families who are on unequal footing due in part to historical discrimination often get passed over, because affirmative action tends to follow the best qualified individuals -- not the ones on the worst footing. Of course this is not always the case, but my point is that someone like Omarosa is NOW on equal or better footing than anyone else, and she has a competitive advantage imho going forward because of her ethnicity... in today's world. I just think it's sad that she sees her race as a liability rather than an asset. It truly hurts my heart because she is bringing a lot of pain on herself unnecessarily. My opinion
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Wink
Member
10-06-2000
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 10:52 am
Interesting how she referred to herself as a "reality star" this morning on Regis. Her sense of entitlement is right up there with Lex when he was in Africa, Heidi in the Amazon and Richard on all-stars. Please tell me her 15 minutes is almost up.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 10:58 am
I told myself I wouldn't come back to this thread but I do have to say I read the tvguide interview and I would definately hire her to work for me. She will land on her feet and succeed, imo.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 11:17 am
Mocha, if you do hire her, just make sure you have her wear a hard hat or protective gear at all times! 
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 11:23 am
oh, one more thing. Just for the record, I really liked Omarosa until the cement incident two episodes ago and then the whole boardroom scene this past episode. (and I didn't like the pot calling kettle/race card comment a few episodes back.) Oh, and her attitude that I've seen on the talk shows. Maybe I just don't like the girls, white or black. As much as I didn't like O, I really dislike Katrina and Ereka. Didn't care for Tammy or Heidi either.
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 11:25 am
Omarosa on Regis and Kelly Can we say DEFENSIVE? The second Omarosa came out she said to Kelly "I have a beef to pick with you." She said her friends told her that Kelly is not giving her any love. She claimed that Kelly said "I am so happy she's gone." Kelly said she wasn't on the air the next day. She replied that she did say "that was the greatest hour of tv ever made" and Omarosa was the greatest. Omarosa told Kelly, "I can't wait to see you in Allure and I love your show"....."that's why I'm about to take your job"....hee hee. Omarosa talked about how they were planning on losing on purpose so they could get rid of her. Regis asked about the basketball playing and she commented that it was four days later and that was in the editing. Regis asked about the lunch incident. Omarosa said "I needed a sandwich because of the "pain" medicine I was taking but no no cared." She said "Heidi has the filthiest voice." Regis said her crying and breaking down surprised him. She replied "That was a fantastic reality moment. "I cry, I hurt, I am an acutal human." "I do more than frown like they portrayed me on the show." Regis asked if she saw it coming (firing). She said 'I saw it coming but didn't expect to be attacked for the injury that I suffered. "I sold the only piece of art that night, I provided great leadership for my team." "I was shocked that I would be taken out because of something technical." Regis asked if she liked the artist they selected and she replied no and Regis commented that she should have spoken up more. Kelly asked O if she thought she was picked to be the "villian." O said she thought she was picked because she was a professional woman who could run one of DT's company. But, instead she said she was shown as "frosty" and an "outsider". Kelly asked if she was a man if they would have called her that, in which she replied, "no, there is a double standard." She said she is branding a line of business suits, doing motivational speaking, and talking to producers about her own talk show (oh, my gosh, she'll fight with her guests). They showed her wedding photo. She has married to a guy named Aaron for 4 yrs.
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 11:26 am
julieboo- totally in sync with you about liking Omarosa until those incidents and the talk shows - i do like amy and like heidi's directness - plus i like Troy and Nick - wouldnt mind them in the final 4
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 11:28 am
Lol Julie. I never liked Omarosa, from her first argument with Tammy but what really got me was the way she called the other women "ladies" in the first episode. It sounded so patronizing and condescending. I did not like Heidi, but I have come to respect and like her. She is abrasive but I think she is fundamentally honest in her dealings with people. She is who she is. Tammy, what can I say. A nut, a loose canon, that is all I can say about her. Katrina and Ereka may be very bright but they dont leave me with much of an impression. Amy, is bright, seems to be able to work well with others and treats her teammates with respect. So out of all the women, I like Amy and Heidi, talk about polar opposites. As far as the men are concerned, I like Troy and Kwame.
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 12:58 pm
:-) Maris I see Troy and Kwame as "polar opposites" too! I agree with your take on everyone and especially the last four you mentioned. (I also appreciate your posts!)
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 1:28 pm
I finally watched this show last night on a CNBC rerun. I really enjoyed it and I liked Omarosa, too. She was really lovely, intelligent, and, for want of a better word, regal. Now I'm learing I was supposed to dislike her! LOL. I didn't like that woman she had to work with--the one withthe potty mouth and the oddly rounded eyebrows and the BQE accent. But then again, I'm a newcomer to the show.
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Pantageas
Member
02-05-2003
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 1:58 pm
Buggles - I'll attempt to clarify, and then I'll drop it. I took issue with two specific points you made: 1)"It truly saddens me that Omarosa was selected. There are so many other African Americans who could have helped improve the image of their community rather than worsen it." - Why this 'community' is in need of 'image improvement' may be a question for another place/time. I still maintain that Omarosa did no more damage to her 'community's' image than Nick or Heidi did to theirs. You may think so, but that line of thinking is what makes stereotypes so damaging. I don't think anyone else here listed Omarosa as damaging to the 'African-American community' except you. 2)"It is also sad that Oma has NO flippin clue how advantaged she is because of her color." - If one thinks that there is advantage in today's business world for being a woman, being African-American, or ESPECIALLY for being an African-American woman, then one is either making a monumentally naive statement, or one that is based on a political belief system/agenda rather than the reality of THIS situation(The Apprentice television show). Your follow-up posts on affirmative action are confirmation for me on my 'agenda' comment. Why? Because we aren't debating aff.-action. So how should that affect our views on Omarosa when we know little of her, her achievements, and her methodologies? Simple - it shouldn't. I said before that I thought Omarosa was a mean, spiteful, ill-tempered, self-centered and egotistical individual. Key word being INDIVIDUAL. I don't accept any attempts from HER to link her actions/persona to race anymore than I accept any attempts from you, Buggles, or anyone ELSE to link her actions/persona to race. And I'll just let the remark about what prejuidice I've seen in my lifetime roll on, as I'm sure you realize that was probably not a good place to go in a discussion where you REALLY know nothing about someone's past except what they've said in print. And as a 70-pt IQ wise man once said "...and that's all I have to say about that..." 
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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 2:28 pm
Tishala, I agree she is lovely and intelligent, but regal--more like haughty. Very haughty!
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 2:42 pm
"Amen, Pantageas", said Ladytex as she once again exits stage left. You've said it more eloquently than I ever could.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:17 pm
Pant- I think Omarosa was/is acting way way worse than either Nick or Heidi. So even though I understand what you are trying to express, I think using Nick or Heidi is a poor example for comparison.
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