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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 4:07 am
LOL Sea! There are people I like on both teams, but more people I DISLIKE on RR. It's a shame that they do not have more variety in the challenges so that different types of people are likely to be able to contribute. Personally I find things like Disco Derby to be more interesting than Bungee jumping off a tall building. I mean really, watching one person bungee jumping might be interesting, but watching 12 people bungee jump? It is very much the same.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 4:11 am
More on the same theme (sorry, I realized I was not done ranting), it seems like on some of the previous RR/RW challenges (or maybe it was the men vs. the women one?) they would do a lot more interesting things - climbing in and out of cars, putting together puzzles, playing Simon Says, sitting on blocks of ice, etc. Now it seems like they are trying to take a page out of Fear Factor and have them do increasingly dangerous things that are not really any more entertaining for the viewer. I say bring back the cheesey challenges! More running around in chicken suits! 
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 11:11 am
Actually, the blocks of ice were pretty dangerous, as well. IIRC, quite a few of the competitors (all or mostly female, since they were able to hold their arms up longer, which was part of the challenge) lasted waaay longer than the testers had when they had tested the challenge. As a result, I think a couple of them had hypothermia and patches of frostbite. That said, I mostly agree with you. The Inferno challenges especially seem to veer between being really icky (helmet of bugs, or last week's) or kind of pointless and stupid (the itching powder/treadmill challenge). They certainly don't make for good tv. I'd like more puzzles and psychological challenges - see how some of these people do with that!
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Abby7
Member
07-17-2002
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 7:40 pm
Anyone willing to post a spoiler for tonight's show?
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Broxi
Member
03-11-2004
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 7:47 pm
RR took a lead in the first task. Kept it going into the 3rd. During the 3rd...RW passed them. 4th task... RR regains the lead. Into the final task..... RR wins. Total Bank...$260 grand plus new Saturns to RW $40 grand.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 7:47 pm
Yeah, shouldn't the show almost be over on the east coast? Hint hint... I'd like to see RW win, but I really REALLY don't like Coral. But then, I don't like Veronica either. But then, I don't like CT either. So, um... can I just hope that Katie wins??? <grin>
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Broxi
Member
03-11-2004
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 7:57 pm
Look above Costa...I posted the answer at the same time you asked. Did not detail it much because there was no real drama.... BUT...Veronica did have something nice to say about KATIE!!!! Cause without her...they would have been at the Crossword Puzzle much longer
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Abby7
Member
07-17-2002
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 7:59 pm
Thank you so much, Broxi!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 7:59 pm
Yikes! Thanks, Broxi!! I figured they'd win... they just could seem to always keep it together during the comps.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 8:07 pm
once again, the mental portion ends up deciding the whole thing.... and I agree with the challenge....What I'd like to see is what would happen if a season had everyone was playing for themselves.....missions would have teams chosen at random or be individual, each challenge having a small prize as well as immunity from elimination. Then I'd have the players vote, with the top 2-4 people facing a mini challange, sometimes at teams, sometimes as indivduals, with the losers being eliminated. In the end, the final few players faced off against each other, with the winner taking home the grand prize (something major, like $200K or so)
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 11:07 pm
Sigh, the spiders let me down, but I think I'm happier with RR winning.. they overcame having more of them (to get across those nets one by one) and did show more brains in the puzzle.. in some cases having more of them would have been a disaster.. like the way Coral just gives up and Mike isn't good at puzzles which only left a couple of them. So, RR won and good for them, I suppose.
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Abby7
Member
07-17-2002
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 11:57 pm
sorry ,sea, about the spiders. life can let us down at times :>) i really didn't care who won...but: i didn't necessarily "like" Syrus on RW/Boston, but i've come to really like him on the challenges. i'd like to see him take home some money. i didn't like coral on her show...but, now, i love her humor and like her as a person (i think she would be great person to know outside of the game). i thought timmy was corny as ever on his RR show...but liked him this season. Sea: wasn't Mike the one who solved a puzzle one season and won the "big money" for the team? if so, he used to be good at puzzles.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 6:19 am
Leah would have easily solved the puzzle - when will they GET it that they need to leave at least one brainy person on the team for the final challenge???
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 9:24 am
Mike's puzzle solving abilities won Coral and himself big bucks in BOTs. He's good at puzzles.
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Abby7
Member
07-17-2002
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 3:00 pm
I just saw how badly Coral behaved during the Crossroad puzzle. she didn't even try to help. she just complained. terrible.
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 4:13 pm
You would think RW would learn. Coral minipulates her way to get to the final challenge every time & always seems to be that challenge's weak link.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 5:01 pm
Yup. Sorry if I doubted Mike.. Well I'm happy Coral didn't win.. this season. I'm just weary of her.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 6:36 pm
Agree with you completely Sea. When will RW learn to get rid of Coral early in the contest? I just don't understand how she manuevers herself to the end; just like Veronica. Don't like either of them. Veronica is a good player, but she only volunteers to go to the gauntlet when she is 99% sure she won't be picked by the other team. Then, she still gets out of it. Mike is one weird cookie. I saw Trishelle talking about him on another show and she said he had mental problems. (Yah..I know...pot calling kettle black, lol) RW will never win unless they change the way they send people to the gauntlet.
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Ohiomobprincess
Member
11-07-2003
| Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 7:01 am
Cricket you are 100% correct. It's amazing that year after year RW votes along personal lines. Obviously that strategy does NOT work. It makes for good drama, but no $$.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 11:32 am
I'm also pleased that RW's negative scheme to go into the final with a small team and to make sure that the RR were stuck with Katie at the end backfired badly when the twice larger RR managed to keep up, work together and that the much maligned Katie contributed materially to the win Maybe bullies don't always win, Miz n Coral..
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 12:04 pm
I still don't get why what would be called strategy on a show like "Survivor" is called "manipulation" on the Challenge, and is considered a Very Bad Thing. I mean, it's still a game, there's still money to be won, and I don't have a problem with people staying in the game any way they can (well, short of committing a felony, I mean). Is it because these people are "friends" outside of the game that people here think the only right thing to do is be noble and try to get yourself kicked out of the game if you aren't physically one of the strongest players?
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Blacksheep
Member
10-18-2003
| Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 12:17 pm
Guinevere ~ my take on the difference, is that these challenges are geared to be 'team' competitions, RW vs RR, BOTS, etc. This differs with Survivor in that it is individual even though the contestants begin as different tribes, there is no real alliance while RW or RR have deeper bonds amongst themselves, so maybe it is a little more personal. In the end the strongest mental & physical team wins that works together the best. RW hasn't figured out how to work as a team yet - not sure they ever really will. *** Coral is a quitter plain and simple, any true competitor will fight to the end, even in the face of defeat. Simply to finish the race to their best ability. Coral always quits when she realizes she's lost - loser! (I'll post the list if anyone needs proof, just ask) Her attitude is so disgusting, I also do not understand why her teammates keep her around when she doesn't try very hard until her ass is on the line - lesson learned: drop the dead weight that doesn't offer mental or physical attributes to your team.
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 8:32 pm
I liked Coral in the previous RW vs RR seasons. She got on my nerves this season! Not because I found her to be manipulitive - but because IMO she seemed to have attitude like she expected to be there till the end - whether she works for it or not. I remember in a previous show (Guantlet or BOTS) she kept bringing up how she and Mike won one season. So I sense that she feels some eternal entitlement to remain in these competitions. At least Mike proves himself time and time again in the competitions. And he will step up to the Guantlet or Inferno challenge. But as been mentioned before - RR always has the advantage because this is what their whole season is about - challenges. If drinking and hooking-up were challenges, RW would give them a real run for the money! Then they would fight to keep Trishelle until the final mission. 
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 12:32 pm
Blacksheep - I do take your point. I just don't think it's reasonable to expect, even with the previous bonds these contestants have, that individuals aren't going to look out for themselves and try to stay in the game any way they can. There seems to be certain types of individuals who will step up for the Inferno sincerely - Jeremy was one (I think he was motivated by a desire to be the hero); Holly was another (she seemed to be truly confident - as well she should be, since she's one of the better athletes to appear on the Challenges). But other than that, you have people like Veronica and Coral, who pick their times to volunteer carefully. You call it manipulation - I just think it's smart gameplay. Again, maybe it's not beneficial to the entire team, but I just don't expect anyone in that situation, with a chance to win money, to be looking out for the Greater Good. They're looking out for themselves, and I don't have a problem with that. Maybe if they were playing for charity, it would be easier for them to be self-sacrificing. Timmy also manipulated Kendal to stay out of the Inferno. Shane made it clear that he didn't want to go. Darrell, who is a superior athlete, wanted nothing to do with it. I think people who went to the Inferno reluctantly far outnumbered those who went willingly. >RW hasn't figured out how to work as a team yet - not sure they ever really will.< Well, they have won Challenges in the past. It just so happens they've sucked on the past two Challenges, but it hasn't always been that way. It's been said before, but the difference in the past two Challenges has really been the quality of the RR women over the RW women. Generally, they've had much better female athletes. >Coral is a quitter plain and simple, any true competitor will fight to the end, even in the face of defeat. Simply to finish the race to their best ability. Coral always quits when she realizes she's lost - loser!< I agree that she's not the most competitive, but I don't hold it against her. She's certainly no worse than Katie, who quit the nacho challenge after she was sure that Christena couldn't get the Lifesaver (which still pisses me off; Katie has no right to complain about her teammates' lack of faith in her, after that). Coral's no more of a quitter than Sarah, who was the Gauntlet's Katie. If RW had won the Inferno, I imagine Coral would've been treated to the redemption storyline, rather than Katie. >I also do not understand why her teammates keep her around when she doesn't try very hard until her ass is on the line - lesson learned: drop the dead weight that doesn't offer mental or physical attributes to your team.< It's been said before, but Coral did not do too bad on the Inferno challenges, in general. Overall, I think she did better than she did in the Gauntlet challenges, where she did have some bad performances. I balk at the idea of getting rid of all the girls, even if the RW are the weak link. The idea just bugs me. Of the RW girls, Trishelle was sent to the Inferno for threatening her teammates - I didn't have a problem with that. Leah was weaker than Coral (and just about everyone else in the competition, including Katie). Julie did poorer overall than Coral in the competitions. So I'm not sure why Coral would or should have been the first choice to go. To sum up my very long (sorry!) post, IMO Coral gets a bad rap. She is far from the best competitor out there, but she's also far from the worst. She doesn't always show the desire, but I don't think she's unique in that. I understand people not liking her abrasive personality, but I think her poor performance in the Gauntlet + Spiderbitegate has led to some unfair conclusions about her as a competitor. I just can't agree that she's dead weight that adds nothing to the team physically or mentally. She's a middling player who thinks she's better than she is - that's about it.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 2:23 pm
But Julie had done well in past competitions, so just like Coral, maybe that should have been considered.
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