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Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What a lovely pic, Hamster! She's certainly a great looking woman. Not shocking she was a pageant contestant.

Babyjaxmom
Member

10-20-2002

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
She is a beautiful woman. It's just too bad the inside's not as pretty as the outside--or should I say "doesn't act" as pretty as the outside.

Beachcomber
Member

08-26-2003

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
As far as O wanting to "start" a dialogue on diversity and sensitivity in corporate America, I beg to differ.

I have worked in "corporate America" all my life and every corporation I have worked at has training and workshops about diversity, sexual harassment, etc. that is mandatory for each employee to attend. So sorry O, IMHO there is not a need for you to start dialogue on this subject, it was started long ago and is still ongoing today.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
She reminds me of the phrase my parents used to say when I was growing up, "pretty is as pretty does."

Auntiemike
Member

09-17-2001

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Throughtout all of this show I can only contrast the vast difference of attitude between African American Kwame and African American Omarosa. I found that Kwame did not use his "blackness" as a weapon, nor allow him to be a victim. He had enough inner strength of character to rise above the "racial" aspects of the corporate world. On the other hand, Omarosa seems to grasp as whatever she can, which has no substance, to further herself.

It was clear to me which one is better prepared to deal with the realities of life!

Dahli
Member

11-27-2000

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 11:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
oops - I thought that picture was of a female impersonator.... but if guys you say it's her then I guess it is. That has happened to me before when watching her so it's obviously something I'm missing....

Beachcomber
Member

08-26-2003

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Speaking of female impersonators, whatever happened to Rupaul? Hmmmm....

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You know, I can appreciate that people dislike Omarosa, but to call her a female impersonator is somewhere beyond that.

But I guess we'll never know for sure since she had too much self-respect to appear in her underwear in an international magazine. That might have been wholly telling.

Starshine40
Member

07-30-2002

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tish, I don't think she was calling Omarosa a female impersonator. I think what she was saying was that she thought it was a female impersonator "impersonating" Omarosa. Just MO.

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 6:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tish, come on self-respect? How much self-respect can you have if you are willing to lie about what must be the worst accusation that exists today. She had to know that it would blow up in her face. She debased herself.

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris, I'm just thinking of that stunt those four other women pulled, posing in their bras and panties for a magazine. It does so much for the image of women in the corporate world.

I don't defend everything Omarosa does--I find her humorous, truth be told--and to critique her accusation about Ereka is fair, since Omarosa didn't have anything to substantiate it (but, to be fair, Mr. Trump and Mr. Burnett could only not confirm that she had said it). I just think they are all worthy of criticism while Omarosa is singled out.

Again, I will say, I joined the series a bit late.

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 6:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree on that one but I have been saying from show one that these women are an embarrassment. From the very first show I took offense to how all of the women presented themselves.

Costacat
Member

07-15-2000

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 6:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oma who?

Dahli
Member

11-27-2000

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Starshine, that's completely what I meant - it was just a fleeting glance and I am sorry it might have come off in that way Tish, it was just a comment which I blurted out because it surprised me how different people see things differently. I certainly don't think that she is... one that is

Luvmykitties
Member

01-02-2004

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 8:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
According to the recent Larry King interview - Amy said that Omarosa wasn't asked to participate in the FHM shoot - and O was going to do Maxim until Amy pulled out of that one.

So if this is true, then O has the same self-respect as the other women...

I think O is a very attractive woman. I think she looked great at the Diva show. BUT - her behavior really makes it hard to see that beauty. There's just too many things that have been done. It's really a shame.

Prisonerno6
Member

08-31-2002

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

quote:

(but, to be fair, Mr. Trump and Mr. Burnett could only not confirm that she had said it)




Because it is impossible to prove something *didn't* happen. You can only prove that it did. No record of the instance on tape? Then you say it happened when the cameras weren't around. Never mentioned it on the show? Just say you didn't want it to affect the game. Everyone else in the game denies it happened? Fall back on the "That's what your script tells you to say" excuse. See a lie detector on stage? Run out of the building as fast as you can.

(This is why you don't start out trying to prove a hypothesis in scientific research. You try to disprove the opposite; as soon as you find an significant instances of the negative, then you know your positive can't be true. If you can't find them, then the best you can say is you failed to reject the null hypothesis.)

Ladybug007
Member

08-13-2000

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 8:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
http://apprenticenews.net/

Luvmykitties
Member

01-02-2004

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 8:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
thank you for the link Ladybug! An Apprentice site I haven't seen yet



Wendo
Member

08-07-2000

Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 1:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
IMO, not believing Omarosa re: the n-word is obvious since she's a proven liar.

The last two episodes of the show being prime examples.

How anyone (*cough* Oprah) could continue to believe her in the face of her on camera lying is mind boggling.

Chief1
Member

08-18-2003

Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 6:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You know, I'm probably going to take a lot of heat from my post, but that's okay. Something about this thing with Omarosa just seems a little too over-done. About three-quarters into the season's show, I posted a comment to defend her, because I actually liked her no-nonsense, straight-forward, and business approach to tasks and also to the other contestants. I couldn't fathom why others would dislike her so much, especially since she wasn't flirting with the men and using her sexuality. She wasn't screaming and yelling at others (when they would call her names and curse at her), but was very professional about it. She saw things for what they really were, and called it like she saw it ... the same that we would expect from any "business professional." Yet, Omarosa received lots of backlash. It lead me to believe that America has purchased a terrible stereotype, and fed into a strategic plan by reality show producers, and responded accordingly.

Then, during the finale, I started questioning myself, and really disliked the woman, too! There was no wondering about whether she lied, or was unavailable. She lied OUTRIGHT! My perception at the time was that she's so angry for having not been selected for the apprentice, that she would sabotage anyone else's chances. What a totally hateful thing to do! (I purchased the portrait of the Omarosas of the world, too, and painted her as an off-the-wall, self-absorbed, and angy woman!)

Now, I'm starting to wonder about that. I did exactly what the media told me to do.

Here's what I currently believe, after the dust has settled. Omarosa believes she heard the n-word. She let's it be known, and has said more that once that it had nothing to do with the "pot calling the kettle black" comment. (Two different things.) NBC producers and Donald Trump know this type of allegation could cost the show, and have to act quickly. What to do? What would YOU do to save the reputation of NBC and your "good name?" A lot of people probably went to work fast and furiously to combat this. They did what successful lawyers do all the time: discredit the individual who made the charges! Did they succeed? OF COURSE. These are big named people in big corporate America, who won't have their futures smeared for the likes of a person considered a smart-a** reality show contestant! In the meantime, if she was so much trouble, and told a blatant lie about the n-word, why bring her back? MONEY, and lots of it! Although she's the black sheep (no pun intended) of the show, she also brings enough heat to cause people to keep coming back for more, and boosting ratings every episode. Why else? Because if all is said and done, and the comment really was on tape (which I now believe it was, due to the apparent pampering of Omarosa), they would eventually become public knowledge if she decided to sue.

NBC knows that. Sooo, bring her back for a few episodes, boost her ego even further by making her feel very important to the show, and promise appearances for next season (to shut her up). Meanwhile, have an elaborate scheme to discredit her, so future accusations (after the contract is up) will be met with resistance due to her OWN lies which really were caught on tape during the finale! Hmmmmmmmm. And something is now telling me that the n-word was caught on tape, too, but edited out, cut, burned, etc.

I believe I'm intelligent. I believe the skepticism about the finale being a set-up to test Bill and Kwame's reactions, were right. I also believe Omarosa was instructed to make life difficult for whichever team she landed on. I believe she thought this was part of the show, and would be depicted that way. And I believe, she bought into the carefully choreographed editing that used that "instruction" against her. Now, no one person is answering to anything (especially not NBC producers and DT), except Omarosa. It worked, and America bought it.

If this is all true, it's shameful, and Omarosa is taking too much heat for NBC and DT's newest fame and fortune.

Idolworship
Member

05-07-2003

Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 7:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sigh. Each of us believes that he or she is intelligent, which is why we exchange views, in this forum.

I base my opinions on what I've seen, from moment one. I have to include all of the "live" appearances, when trying to figure out what makes the lady tick. Her damage-control attempts are transparent...and I'm pretty sure that the Jimmy Kimmel lie-detector reaction was not suggested to her. If it were, her publicist should be fired:-)

In making a "purchase," fabric for example, I try to judge by the whole cloth...and not a tiny shred. What looks solid, at the beginning of the bolt, may have some serious tears and flaws, further in. If those are easy to see, then I'm just not buyin' it.

Incidentally, if Omarosa is taking too much heat, then she needs to stand away from the stove. Easy enough, unless she wants to continually stir that pot:-)



Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I had the full range of thinking as Chief did about Omarosa. I was looked at in disbelief by my "co-watchers" of the show when I originally liked Omarosa's business like attitude. Then, I believe it was just after the ceiling falling incident, I began to start to see her differently and found it harder and harder to defend her actions.

Then when it appeared that Omarosa was purposefully trying to sabotage Kwame, I too thought that it was a test, to see how Kwame would respond to an employee such as the one (I thought) Omarosa was depicting. There was no way I could believe that someone as intelligent and straighforward as Omarosa could be so...so....awful.

In the final show I thought my convictions would be proven correct when TD finally asked Omarosa outright why she lied and acted as she did on the show. I was all set to give my co-watchers the biggest "I told you so...". This is when the truth would be told, and Omarosa would let the world know she was only doing it at the behest of The Donald to provide a testing ground for Kwame.

Well the truth was told, only it wasn't "my truth". Omarosa had the perfect opportunity to say that it was a setup, but she didn't. In fact, staying true to her actions throughout the show, she made no sense at all when responding to TD question.

It wasn't NBC, Donald Trump, or anyone else who made me think less of Omarosa... It was the lady herself.

Chief1
Member

08-18-2003

Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 8:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for your posts, Idolworship and Kep421. I completely understand where you both are coming from. It's really one of those things, however, that we might not find out the truth about until after the contract is expired.

Remember that they all have to sign contracts barring them from talking about the show, any aspects of what went into it, the network, etc. If she couldn't truthfully answer the question because of the contract, then the question should not have been asked. That would put her on the spot, and strengthen opinions of her intentions (which probably was what was intended).

Maybe if we continue to be reality fans, we'll learn more in a few years, like we did when previous guests from other reality shows spoke out, after their contracts expired.

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe Chief...maybe... but I still find it very difficult to believe that someone of Omarosa's intelligence would allow the media, Donald Trump or any contract to manipulate her in such a manner. This is a person who is standing up for her beliefs and not backing down with respect to the "n" word incident. She doesn't strike me as someone who would allow others to represent her in a way that was so offensive.

I give Omarosa a bit more credit than most and that is why, contract or no contract, I can't see Omarosa staying quiet if this was all for show. JMHO

Demeter
Member

08-05-2001

Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
As far as asking Omarosa back to "get ratings"...I don't think so. All of the previous six were asked back and those episodes were in the bag way before the show was a ratings hit.

I also thought maybe we would discover Omarosa was a plant because it was just so hard to believe that someone would truly be that obnoxious in their behavior. Her media appearances since then have pretty much stayed true to how she behaved on the show.