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Not1worry
Member
07-30-2002
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 8:31 am
The whole transformation thing doesn't bother me as much as what this show's idea of "beautiful" is. The gobs of makeup, the fake color hair, the stupid Barbie hairstyles, the too white teeth, the big boobs, etc. The hair bugs me most of all. Kristy (the former army woman) would have looked so much better in a different hairstyle. Looking at the host and the female "dream team staff" (gag), I think they want the ladies to look just like they do. That trainer guy is orange, BTW. I was quite glad to hear the "loser" say that the pageant didn't matter. She said "this is all I need". Well, that's quite a bit, but good for her for realizing the pageant thing is lame. The surgeons attitudes are really bugging me. The one guy who did last night's surgeries in particular. The women are objects to him, he treats them like a sport to be won.
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Kellirippa
Member
07-10-2002
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 10:40 am
Did anyone else notice that when they brought the blonds daughter out and she first held her, the little girl looked scared and kind of pulled away from her mother? That must be a terrible shock for a little 2 or 3 year old, not seeing Mommy for so long, and then she looks like a different woman..shame on the show. And, they are taking these poor low self esteem women, putting them through all of this trauma, and then telling one of them.."sorry, you're still not pretty enough". I'm done with this show.
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Conejo
Member
08-23-2002
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 11:08 am
I think I'm done with it too! Anyone know how this show is doing in the ratings? We may not have a 'choice' but to be done with it!
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Fabnsab
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 12:16 pm
The thing I can't stand is how the pattern seems to be women who are not happy in their marriages thinking this will change everything. If you do it for you, fine but I feel these women are either trying to keep their husbands or trade up due to their new good looks. I'm sick of the sob story pity parties. Those women last night needed a day in the spa and a stylist- thats all!
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 4:05 pm
Okay......I like this show. I am feeling very done with PC attitudes and that could be why. So some women want to be a babe. Cool. Why not? No big deal. One could say the the outside changing does not effect the soul or inside. I am not sure on that. Self esteem is very much reflected in how one sees themselves phsycially. .
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 5:48 pm
Well the one good thing about this show is it brought MsBat our of her sunshiney Florida cave (or are you back north?)
but I still don't agree.. I honestly think that the norm for GOOD plastic surgery is that the patient is first found to be coming into it without unrealistic expectations and good counseling. This show makes Extreme Makeover look very good, IMO
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 8:07 pm
HI Sea! I agree with what you say. The simultanious truth is that I LOVE the fantasy. I am in the mood for a facial rejunivation myself.
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 9:10 pm
^5's missbat! i agree... i want my thighs done, and my feet, and my nose, and i wouldn't mind a boob lift, and my neck and my lower eyes, and a tummy tuck. the only thing i don't need is a butt lift. it's fine! hehehehehe
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 9:50 pm
your feet?! Do day more!
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 10:23 pm
i have size 7EEE feet, a high instep,and flat too. i have to wear size 8 1/2 Extra Wides that i purchase from specialty stores. i'd love to have pretty feet. i don't like how people laugh at them and have called them "cavemen" or "barney rubble" feet. cuz they're not long... just wide. very very very wide.
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Christy358
Member
07-31-2002
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 11:07 pm
Landi-- You have square feet like me!! The high instep just adds to the shoe problem.
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 19, 2004 - 6:43 pm
<bites Landi's butt> mmmmmmmmmmmm fine 
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Monday, April 19, 2004 - 8:16 pm
ohhhhhhhhhh ketchup! <blushing>
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 3:30 pm
I have just found this thread! I have watched two episodes of the SWAN and am reeling. The first show I thought was a fluke that both women were seriously mentally depressed. But last night I watched another episode and the ladies were even MORE depressed then the first episode. Hearing the panel of experts ripping into the women's looks and physiques after watching that intro video was insulting to all women. Here in Canada the surgeon will NOT work on someone who has unrealistic body image problems. Usually someone like that will NOT be satisfied with the results. In this show the ladies are 'worked on' mentally and physically for three months that they are Now Goind to be BEAUTIFUL. Then we get to see them with makeup plastered on their faces like "adult film stars" for their unveiling. Each lady has done the exact same freakout scene at the mirror yelling it doesnt look like me, oh now I am beautiful! Three out of four of the women had HUGE fake boob implants which they immediately ooooooo'd and ahhhhhh'd at as they stood sideways by the mirror. WAIT til they get back to real life. I'd LOVE to see a 'whatever happened to them when they got home' show. I applaud the 40 yr old woman who refused to have her family nose bump removed!! She looked way better, facially and physically, than the other lady at the end. I think the two reasons the other lady was picked was huge barbie boobs and the fact that she was easily lead thru all the surgeries. Did anyone else besides me notice the winning woman had TONS of makeup on, including a dark line of makeup at jawline?? She had a wide face which couldnt be corrected by surgery, so for the VIEW they did the old makeup trick to hide her jawline.....I'd love to see what her face REALLY looked like with NO MAKEUP ON...that would be the true test of beauty. ** So far, each of the four women on the show I FEEL could have looked just as good with a visit from a professional makeup artist. The woman from Ecuador was beautiful before her surgery. The noble, aquiline mayan nose was sculpted to caucasian style. I find it sad that the women of noncaucasian ancestry seem to want to be "White". It bothers me.
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 9:24 pm
This show definitely is disturbing and you make good points Sunshyne.... I wish I knew when this obsession with ones' outside appearance would turn around a bit - it's all so unbalanced...
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 9:40 pm
This show seems pretty ghastly to me but hopefully some of the contestants will gain some happiness in the long run. I don’t know if any of you have seen this site but you might find it interesting (or amusing or horrifying) depending on your outlook. http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/ It's all about various plastic surgeries celebrities apparently have had and the changes in their appearance over the years.
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Backgammonjane
Member
02-27-2004
| Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 10:01 pm
if anyone was watching american idol tonite the three swans were on and they didnt have much makeup on and i couldnt beleive what they looked like didnt look to great to me...
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 10:40 pm
i thought the one gal from last night still had on a ton of make-up but the other two didn't look too great to me. just normal looking, which i don't think they'd like to hear! i don't know why these gals have to get huuuuuuge implants. if they only knew what my sister went through to have a breast-reduction... but i also can't believe how popular breast augmentation is. it's like it was in the late 70's when i worked in OB/Gyn. i have never seen so many implants as i have the last 2 or 3 years. how sad!! what a throw-away society! bad day, get a divorce. don't feel particularly attractive today? get lipo, breasts, rhinoplasty, veneers.... whatever happened to 'beauty is on the inside'? you know what many young people say about that today? 'only ugly people have to convince themselves that beauty is on the inside.' barf. and do you know how stupid some people are? i remember hearing about a gal who wanted her nose done so when she had children they wouldn't get her old nose!!! how about 'a brain' while we're augmenting things!!
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 10:50 am
OMG Tabby ROFL!!!!!! I said to DH the other night after realizing that the couple on Extreme Makeover may well produce offspring that they think will need to go from delivery to plastic surgery to avoid the comments such as 'hmmmm not sure who Junior looks like' But the implant thing... it's mind boggling and sad for sure, I've seen sites where women in their 20's yes their 20's!! are saving and spending money on procedures already and it's just as obvious and necessary to them as buying shoes. What a great way to ensure women never get distracted by the annoying issues that are best left to 'the guys' such as running the world....keep them so obsessed with measuring up they won't worry about the small stuff
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Djgirl
Member
07-17-2002
| Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 11:04 am
I had a breast reduction done at 18, and it was literally the best thing that I had ever done for myself. I did have self esteem issues since the girls were the only thing that was noticed on me, surprisingly, I was always a very outgoing person, but hated that part of me. The plastic surgeon didn't ask me what size I wanted to be (I went into surgery a 36F) she just promised that I would be proportionate for my body... and I was completely - 36C and haven't changed. The one thing that it did do for me was change the way that I felt about me, but it wasn't overnight... and I didn't look like a hooker after my "reveal" (when the bandages were removed) The Swan is a horrendous show, the only thing that I do approve of is the therapy they have to go to... at least that's the only thing that I think is positive about it.
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Friday, April 23, 2004 - 9:33 am
DJ - I am on board with that as I have had the same procedure and feel it makes a HUGE difference in the quality of life arena. But when 28 year olds are having botox, collagen and lip implants on a regular basis as upkeep and larger implants every couple of years to keep up with the who evers - that's when the Yikes factor goes up for me....
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, April 23, 2004 - 6:16 pm
Actually, more and more teens and even pre-teens are wanting procedures done..
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 1:57 am
I agree with you guys. BUT! (and I hate this) but SOCIETY loves the 'beautiful people'. Pretty girls and boys get better grades in school, treated differently then homely kids and often seem to have opportunities come their way easier when they hit adulthood and get jobs. Handsome and pretty people who are overweight are still treated better than someone who is less attractive facially. I cannot think of ONE overweight male or female movie/TV star who is not very facially attractive. Even John Candy and Chris Farley were very handsome men even though they were large. Women like the lady from Designing Women (the heavy beautyqueen) and the lady from the View...they were gorgeous. Singers?? think Queen Latifa and Missy Elliot...lovely skin and pretty faces. ****** We live in a strange world where we all KNOW we shouldnt categorize people by appearance but we do. Some of try really hard not to, but it is so engrained on our human nature that I feel it is a loosing battle. Youth is power in this society and when someone, male or female, feels the NEED to keep their power they WILL have procedures done. ****** Yes, I saw the SWANS on American Idol. It was sad. Ryan Seacrest looked very awkward talking to the ladies and they just plain looked uncomfortable being there LOL. I would say that the thrill of the surgery has worn off a bit and the old insecurities were raising their head. The two ladies of colour didnt have much makeup on and looked very average to me....well, other than their largerthanlife boobs.
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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 6:40 am
<Anyway after all that, then they get to knock one back to the floor by deeming her still "not good enough".> Seamonkey, I watched the first episode and that was the very thing that floored me. And it was the very weepy, whiny, obviously unbalanced girl who was rejected after ALL that surgery as still not "beautiful" enough to enter the pageant. The irony of it was stunning. In an earlier post, Tobor asked 2 questions. I'd like to add another. After all the work the women's movement did in the 70's and 80's to crush the "Beauty Myth" and raise women above it, what has gone so terribly wrong that young women today (and some not so young too) are more than willing to be cut up, chopped at, and sucked out in order to appear more attractive to other eyes? I've even heard of rib removal in order to make the waist/mid torso smaller. It seems to me that the female self-image has deteriorated drastically in the last 20 or so years rather than the opposite. Can you imagine any self-respecting college student in the 70/80's vying to be on "Girls Gone Wild" as they do today? Or a show like The Swan being aired back then without an immediate, loud uproar? Why has female esteem dropped so low? Is it simply the power of the media or is something else involved?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 12:28 pm
"After all the work the women's movement did in the 70's and 80's to crush the "Beauty Myth" and raise women above it, what has gone so terribly wrong" ******** I am trying not to be insulted. The question is answered clearly in my post ABOVE yours. Guess this confirms my theory that people are choosing to 'not read' my posts. ******* to explain further, the women's lib stuff of the 70s and 80s was found to be a lie. Most Women CANNOT do the same job as men. In society Women are NOT WORTH the same as men, status-wise OR job salary-wise. AND most women will truthfully admit that they wish to look the best they can when out in public. Many of the diehard feminists of that time even tried to LOOK like men...women dont want to look like men in this decade. 30 years since women 'burnt their bras' but the truth has come out and the freedom to CHOOSE what you want to look like has evolved. Now they are putting their bras back on and getting implants to make em bigger. This isnt about self-esteem dropping low, this is about empowerment. Unfortunately, This SWAN show is a very poor example of empowerment when the women seem so mentally crippled and beaten. :-(
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