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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 1:24 pm
A thought I had this morning.. when Adam was mentioning Sam and that little look that he knew hit her father in the wallet often.. and my insight is (even if Adam couldn't articulate same) that all Adam has to give a woman at this point is his wallet.. because he isn't ready to give his heart and he may not feel like he measures up in looks, to the extent that he isn't willing to dress well or shave (because maybe he still wouldn't feel above average, too bad, really) so he chose the woman who is more eye candy and will look good with him, a prize, and who wants what he thinks he has to give, his wallet. Rachel isn't quite the eye candy and wants what he isn't ready to give, his heart, and isn't craving the wallet. Could be that having been labelled as an Average Joe can leave a bit of a scar, which is why I wish the AJ show had included makeovers/esteem boosters for the guys (or on this show for the women). Does anyone agree with me that we might enjoy watching a show like this that included growth and kindness?
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Lve2laff
Member
01-16-2004
| Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 1:36 pm
I have to admit. I vowed to NOT watch this show. And I did not...except I had nothing to watch so I attempted to tune in for the last half hour. I immediately liked the one he DID NOT CHOSE. Of course, I knew that due to editing, he would pick the other one. Once he chose Sam (is that her name?) I turned the show off and turned on something mindless. Now I really VOW TO NEVER WATCH ANOTHER AVERAGE ANYTHING SHOW. EVER. I am tired of seeing people get hurt..IMHO. (I know, people knew what they were getting into) Thanks for letting me vent.
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Realfan
Member
08-08-2001
| Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 1:44 pm
Yeah, Jasper, I snorted when Sam called herself sophisticated compared to Rachel. Uh, yeah. Right. Rachel is the one who knew about Manet, and probably a lot of other cultural things. Sam called Rachel trailer trash, but she's the one with the tattoo (not that one can't have a tattoo and be sophisticated, but it doesn't help her case, either.)
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 1:51 pm
Argh! What a disappointment. It’s really sad that appearance and superficiality seems to dominate these people’s desire for a relationship. And I mean really dominate, because the one he didn’t choose was a very attractive person in her own right. Well all I can say is that although Rachel may not feel this way at first, she is lucky that he didn’t pick her.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 4:14 pm
I'll cosign that, Jimmer.. most of the time on these shows, the loser is the real winner..
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 5:40 pm
Not sure that Rachel knew anything more about Manet than Adam. She was just reading the signs - as she told Adam.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 6:19 pm
How do we know that Rachel was being truthful? She knew everything about Adam--good job, lots of money, NY apartment, TV personality, wealthy-appearing family, etc. Maybe she was out to capture what she perceived as a good catch for her. She portrayed the nice Jewish girl to a T, even convincing Adam's parents. To my way of thinking, she was just a little too pat, posing as what she thought was the perfect chicken-soup making wife for Adam. I'm not convinced that we were seeing the real Rachel. And as a matter of fact, I liked Samantha better. She already has money and a TV career, so I think she liked Adam for what he is, not because he could raise her status in society.
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Vixeninvegas
Member
10-07-2002
| Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 7:22 pm
Okay - to start I, on purpose, haven't read comments from last nights final show until I saw it & I am SOOOOOOOOO angry!!!! <c> Right before he made his decision I thought to myself if he chooses the socialite I swear I will give up on dating! Looks like its going to be a long cold summer LOL
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 9:28 pm
LOL - I think calling her a socialite is kind. I'm not from New York, so I can't be sure how things work there - but folks who work at department stores selling clothes are usually not on the high end of the social ladder where I'm from. She really made me laugh when she said she was sophistocated for the same reason. I'm not knocking being a working girl. But, I've never equated being a sophistocated socialite with working in the men's department at Barney's. LOL!
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 9:25 am
Well, I think Adam did just fine. He picked the girl he liked, regardless of the pressure he was getting from his parents (can you believe them??). Remember that we only see what the editors want us to see. Rachel may have seemed like a perfectly nice girl, but if he didn't have the chemistry with her that he had with Sam, then of course he should pick Sam. I hope they're happy! I feel sorry for Sam at the next Mesh family get-together, however. There will definitely be some tension there. Maybe Adam will never take her to see his parents again--and maybe now we know why he doesn't take girls home to meet them! I thought the dog was adorable and was wondering how they flew her out from New York. Did she have her own private plane? Her own hotel room? If Adam stilled like Sam after the shopping spree for the dog (thought sure she was a goner), then he must really like her.
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Aitch41
Member
04-06-2004
| Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 1:46 pm
We should go back to the real Dating Game. 30 minutes and it's all over. You get 15 minutes of fame, a nice trip and whatever you get from or on the trip.
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 1:57 pm
I found this on Adam's website: Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:36 pm Post subject: Some Quick Thoughts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I appreciate what everyone has to say, both bad and good. To be honest, I probably tend to read the negative stuff more than the positive stuff! Maybe that's just human nature. Any how, this site is a lot more exciting with a back and forth conversation. That being said, all I ask is that some thought goes into what is discussed. For example, let's take Samantha's dog. Did it magically appear in Palm Springs? Was Samantha's dream date to take her dog shopping or was it planned by the same people who plan almost every other date we go on? The dog shopping was a surprise to both of us and rather than complaining that one girl got horseback riding and another got the casino, she made the best of the situation and just went with it. Same with the golf. Every other date was an exotic adventure but Sam and I had to do chores at a gold course and it was the most fun I had. She made the best of the situation and that showed me a lot about her. As for my parents (who I love with all my heart), they like whoever I like. Did they think, when asked, that Rachel would be more nurturing and a better wife? Yes, I think so. But my question, not taking anything away from Rachel who is an amazing girl, is how could Rachel be ready to start a family with me after 3 dates? To me, that was unrealistic and over the top. I said going into the show that I would trust my instincts and Sam warmed up to me gradually while Rachel fell for me before we ever met. The former was more believable to me. I really don't want to defend one by taking away from the other because they are both great but one was more realistic for me. I think if you took 100 guys, all 5 of the final girls would have had 20 picking them. That's what's funny too. A show that starts with 19 girls ends up with everyone talking about just 2. I think Amy is a special person, Christine is exciting, Stephanie is fun and there are a lot of other girls that I think very highly of. That being said, the big question is what do we talk about next? We need to keep this thing going and for that to happen we need new topics. Any ideas? I have one promise that I will throw out there now, if I get my own talk show then I promise to have justaguy and justreg2 on as guests. LuckyLiz is making a push as well! Thanks for taking an interest and talk to you guys soon. Adam
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Hippyt
Member
09-10-2001
| Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 2:15 pm
He makes a lot of good points. Stephanie didn't act like a diva at the golf course.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 2:49 pm
Good to hear his side. Like I said, he picked the girl he liked the best. What's wrong with that? Thanks for sharing, Hypermom!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 5:00 pm
He makes great points. We've all got to remember that this was just for a weekend date too.
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 7:14 pm
I didn't watch AJ:AR beyond the first episode. One thing struck me, though, after reading through Adam's response posted by Hypermom above. He says, "how could Rachel be ready to start a family with me after 3 dates?" and that it was unrealistic. Well, one, she knew of him from watching him on the original show as well as all his appearances afterword. So, she did have more information about Adam beyond those "3 dates." Although, it is interesting to note that after just "6 dates" on AJ with Melena, Adam certainly seemed like he wanted a serious relationship with her. Glad I spent no more time watching AJ's. I probably would've been disappointed too. LOL!
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 11:51 pm
I think it is more like after just six dates he wanted to WIN. Two of the former average Joe's called in to Star 98.7 today, I did'nt recognize either by name, one said he was the big one.. anyway both said you have to remember editing but one pointed out that Rachel was the lucky one and should have plenty of guys interested in her.. just as he said Adam was the lucky one to come in second on AJ.
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 2:41 pm
After reading what he says, I can now understand why he chose Sam and it makes sense. But my gripe is still with the editing, why not show us this on the show instead of the build up of Rachel and the perceived gold-digger image of Sam?
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 6:46 pm
Then why did Rachel make it to final two?? Why not two fun girls to hang out with??
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, April 09, 2004 - 2:47 pm
LOL They must start calling these shows......SOMEWHAT REALITY shows. Is there no disclaimer?? You know, something like "the producer may do things which MAY change the outcome of certain parts of the show"
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Rockmin
Member
07-10-2003
| Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 4:17 pm
Sea, that's a great question about why was Rachel there at the end??? I've often wondered if the guy/gal doesn't pick who they want earlier than the final ceremony and then the story editors make sure the "right" story elements are there till the end. Rachel may not of been Adam's natural number 2 pick; but she sure made an interesting storyline.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 7:48 pm
Oh for sure, I agree, Rock.. I'm just being my usual cynical self..
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 9:26 pm
On April 18, Mesh, 28, and Samantha Trenk, 24, whom he chose on Average Joe: Adam Returns, were at a private dinner party at the Sagamore Hotel in Miami and, at one point, says a source there, Mesh said "that [the TV show] Extra! offered to give him a $30,000 'Smile Makeover'and redo his teeth, which he admits to being big." According to the source on the scene, Adam "said he was so offended by that offer. He told them 'no way!' " Then, when asked about his future with Samantha, he said, "Let's be realistic about this and see what happens."
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 11:48 pm
Thanks for the update Rslover. Interesting that they're at least still dating.
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Lori
Member
04-18-2003
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 2:04 pm
Another one bites the dust...just read in People Mag that Adam and Samantha have broken up. According to Samantha, they had a lunch date and Adam told her "I wasn't the only one on his mind. This isn't the right time for us." Samantha then told him she wanted to end it. Evidently Adman said the other woman is someone he had dated before the show began. Duh...why did you go on the show Adam?
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Puttergirl
Member
08-11-2000
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 1:34 pm
Because they gave him money to!!
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Floridagirl1010
Member
07-29-2003
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 12:20 pm
Wow...I thought Adam was one of the nice guys...looks like we've been duped again!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 8:57 pm
Because his ego was getting too big?
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