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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 4:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree about the guys, well, not Timmy.. and hey, I'm not even into guys.

Maybe Julie was thinking of mud-wrestling.. they did that in NO RW.

I don't think she portrays herself as a good little mormon girl anyway. And even though I likie her, I admit she has her psycho streak.

I just don't like bullies and Coral is a bully. And I'd be happy to see a challenge season without Coral (but at least there is no Melissa this time). Yes, Coral was hating on Trishelle so this time she got the early boot and Trishelle, even when injured, was a better performer than Coral.

And if Coral is going on performance, why on earth did she try to send Julie into that final showdown last night when she had outperformed Julie in the shooting??? Because she wants Julie to fail and she is more into having Julie (or Trishelle, or anyone who stands up to her) fail, than in her own team winning.

Not that I'm a huge Trishelle fan either. Or Veronica, or Katie.. eeek.

Now, Christena, I really like her.

Mamie316
Member

07-08-2003

Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 4:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The thing with Coral is that she has been on Julie from the start just because Melissa had problems with Julie and Coral and Melissa are friends. Julie does bug the heck out of me but at least she stands up to Coral. I agree with you Sea about Christena. I like her. She's a nice person and she shows it. It's not all about her.

Puttergirl
Member

08-11-2000

Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Gina8642, I agree that saying the f-word has nothing to do with being Mormon, but Julie does try to portRay herself as above her peers morally. As a matter of fact, her whole college tour is based upon that. I find her extremely hypocritical.

This is how she describes herself on her own website (http://www.planetjulie.com/. I've highlighted the points that led me to say that she has no right to use the f-word!!


In today's society, young people need our ongoing support. We often wish we could more effectively reach a broader audience, and influence those who may not be exposed to positive messages.

Enter Julie Stoffer. Julie is not your typical role model. After appearing on several Music Television Programs, including MTV's "The Real World", and then touring the country with a rock band, Julie began to recognize an increasing need for today's youth to see REAL people on television and involved in music
who stand up for morality. She became involved in several organizations that work to promote positive moral standards in youth today. Raised in a supportive Christian home, Julie has become an advocate for these moral values.

At 24, Julie is unique for her stance against drugs and alcohol, and her belief in sexual abstinence before marriage. Her standards are a focal point of her personality, on and off screen, and have proved to set her apart. Julie is able to effectively relate to and influence today's generation.

After attending Brigham Young University, a private Christian university, Julie became involved with MTV's #1 rated show, "The Real World". After filming, Julie was inducted into President Bush's Points of Light intensive training course at the University of San Diego. There she was
trained to speak effectively to youth about such issues as diversity, drugs and alcohol, conflict resolution, AIDS, STDs, and sexual purity, and more.


I especially love the part about being trained in conflict resolution. Oh, yEah, she's making a GREAT ROLE MODEL!!!!

Texasdeb
Member

05-23-2003

Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My 2 fav females are Christena & Holly. They are both stand out athletes & come across as being superb people. I have no opinion on Kendal because she's not verbal & a bully like Coral & Julie & she's not the athlete that Christena & Holly are. I actually like Veronica. She does so well in the challenges & she gives the guys something to look at. Katie just shouldn't be there. At least it looks like Leah actually tries to do well. Leah is the only RW female I would befriend.

Gina8642
Member

06-01-2001

Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 5:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Conflict resolution? That is the biggest joke ever!!! All she ever does is start conflict. She gets in Coral's face every time Coral speaks to someone. It doesn't matter if the convo in any way pertains to her or not - she jumps right in and tries to start fights. Any school that hires her is bizzarely uninformed if they think she's a poster child for moralilty.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 6:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Anyone in this bunch who isn't drinking, drugging and/or bed-hopping, gets a thumbs up from me, but it still doesn't make them perfect.

Ugh, Veronica gives them lots to look at and more..

Frogichik
Member

06-11-2002

Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 5:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Mamie, I don't think Coral problems with Julie have anything to do with Melissa. Julie and Coral's problems started years ago over some speaking engagement at a university.

Here's the info from Melissa's site. Jan Stoffer is Julie's mother and Manager.

"Coral Smith from The Real World Back to New York, was set to perform at Lehigh Community College in Schneckville, PA (contact the Campus Activities Board). Jan was “giving” this job to Coral, but Jan refused to give Coral the actual name of the community college until the date neared. Coral demanded that she know where she was going because she has a right to know where she will be performing. Jan avoided telling Coral because that would open up the possibility that Coral could investigate why Jan was secretive. Jan told Coral she would make $1200 off of the appearance, and Jan also told her that she wouldn’t make a commission. Coral called the school, found out that the school had sent a check to the agency in the amount of $5000. That means that Coral would be doing all the work while Jan Stoffer collected $3800. This amount is, let’s say, well over the standard booking agent’s commission. Why, I thought Jan didn’t make a commission?! Well, in my opinion, she presents herself that way so that newer cast members, the ones that the Stoffers allegedly “target”, feel as though they are getting a free grand by some nice lady who just wants to help. This is not illegal, but it is wrong. Coral told the school to stop payment on the check, and canceled the appearance altogether. When Coral questioned Julie’s mother, she responded saying Coral is just “an angry girl,” an argument that coincidentally mirrors how her daughter feels about me because I too have questioned this business handling. All of this happened before I knew Coral personally."

As Melissa states, this problem happened before her and Coral became friends.





Peepinagain
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07-18-2002

Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Where does Julie say she is a good 'Mormon' girl? She was kicked out of college because of her choices, which weren't bad in the everyday life but are in the Mormon life. Julie just tries to be fair and hates to see people getting bullied and Coral is a bully. No one can argue THAT! Julie gets pissed off when she sees it happen and reacts without thinking. We all do that at times but MTV edits it that way on purpose. I like both Julie and Coral but Coral gets on my nerves when she pushes her own agenda through, whether good for the team or not. At this point Julie is a better overall player than Coral and I think Coral is threatened by that because that means she could be voted into the Inferno. Coral has made the whole team lose sight of winning by saying Julie needs a turn in the Inferno. It shouldn't have anything to do with turns but building a strong tean for the end. IMHO Julie was ripped off by getting voted off the last time because of Melissa and I believe thats one of the reasons why the rules are different this time. But I hope Julie wins the lifesaver and sends someone else into the Inferno.

Azlen
Member

08-27-2000

Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I dislike both Coral and Julie. I think that both of them talk too much when they should just shut up. That being said, I think MTV is missing a real opportunity here. They need to put the Coral vs Julie fight on pay per view. I am sure that there are people out there that would pay to see Coral take Julie out with one of her DD's. They could even put Veronica and Katie on the undercard.

Mamie316
Member

07-08-2003

Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh Azlen, that is hysterical!

Frogichik
Member

06-11-2002

Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I 2nd that!!!



Guinevere
Member

03-15-2001

Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
>And if Coral is going on performance, why on earth did she try to send Julie into that final showdown last night when she had outperformed Julie in the shooting??? Because she wants Julie to fail and she is more into having Julie (or Trishelle, or anyone who stands up to her) fail, than in her own team winning.<

I'd have to watch the tape again to be sure, but IIRC, Coral asked Julie - "do you want to do it?" It was going to be one of them - it had to be a girl, and Leah was sitting out the mission. I just took it to be Coral giving Julie a chance to do the mission if she wanted to. Nothing wrong with that. It was Julie who had to respond with an IMO questionable comment about not having much experience with shooting. Julie didn't have the best racial sensitivity track record in NO, by my recollection, and I wondered if this was a dig at Coral.

I guess people just see things differently - IMO, Trishelle didn't "stand up" to Coral. She got drunk in a club (anyone writing about Trishelle might want to create a macro on the phrase "got drunk"; it could save a lot of time) and threatened Mike and Christena, and then Coral when she tried to calm Trishelle down.

Plus, it was Mike who led the charge to vote Trishelle into the Inferno. He was pissed about her behavior, and I don't blame him.

Coral is only one vote. She may have influence over people, but she can't force them to vote the way she wants. If she is able to convince her teammates of the validity of her POV, then either she has a point, or the others are just weak. If people let themselves be manipulated, it's on them, I think.

>At this point Julie is a better overall player than Coral and I think Coral is threatened by that because that means she could be voted into the Inferno. Coral has made the whole team lose sight of winning by saying Julie needs a turn in the Inferno.<

I think it's arguable who is the better player. Coral was overall weak in the Gauntlet, but she's done better in the Inferno competitions than Julie has. Julie has not performed well this time around.

And again, I take issue with blaming Coral for group decisions - David was right there, saying Julie should go, as well. It seemed to be the consensus. Coral only has the power that others give her, and at least in this case, I don't think the others were even that influenced by her. With only three women to choose from, Leah (rightfully) nominated herself, and Coral had both stepped up previously AND performed better than Julie. Julie was the logical choice to be nominated with Leah.


Not1worry
Member

07-30-2002

Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I mean this in a friendly manner, no offense at all, because I was smiling the whole time I read it, but I disagree with almost every single thing in your 10:00 post, Peep!

I don't think Julie tries to be fair at all. I think taking turns in the Inferno is fair, especially with the boy/girl switch. It builds resentment when the same people go over and over (hello Sarah!). I'm with Guin on the issue of Coral's "manipulation". She's only one vote, just like Julie. Julie definitely pushes her own agenda, what else was the wrestling nonsense about?

Laura11103
Member

08-13-2002

Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Guinevere, well said, ITA. I think Coral is very aggressive, but I think she has a good heart. But I think she is to aggressive. Remember in her season when Coral and the other girl scared Rachel to death. I can see how Coral can be very scary even if she doesn't mean to be.


Luvmykitties
Member

01-02-2004

Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 2:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Coral has always been very "outspoken" and that can be intimidating for many people.
I haven't found her to be manipulitive. IMO - Melissa was manipulitive in the Guanlet by getting Julie voted off from the get-go for personal reasons.
And I forgot the other girl in the Guantlet that manipulated by telling "stories" to get the others to vote someone out.

Julie is on my nerves because she keeps acting like THEY NEED HER for the finale - that she is THE STRONGEST girl on their team.

At least Coral has proven herself somewhat by winning one of the early RR/RW seasons - and has lots of experience since she's been in all the RR/RW seasons.



Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Coraql does influence others.. they are afraid to anger her (kinda like Boston Rob) and she certainly DOES intend to intimidate, like when she brings up threats that if she gets too pissed off then she'll really physically hurt someone (anyone who doesn't kiss her posterior).

But I am thankful that Melissa isn't here this time.



Ladybug007
Member

08-13-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, this week on the Inferno, we saw Julie (New Orleans) challenge Coral (Back to New York) to a wrestling match. Well, Coral obviously declined saying that she didn't want to be sent home in handcuffs for beating Julie up... Well, it looks like if Julie has had some experience in this before.

Hardcore fans will know this... During Battle of the Sexes, Julie had a band and a boyfriend. The band, Bunkbed Incident, and her boyfriend, Gabe, were both well mentioned in that one first episode and with Julie's spat with Melissa (New Orleans) on MTV.com. They played the song on the episode and Julie wore the band's t-shirts. Well, when Julie came to Mexico to play in the Inferno, all traces of both the band and Gabe were gone... Which left people wondering....

Well, shortly before coming to the Inferno, Gabe had filed a restraining order against Julie in a Wisconsin court. The restraining order was filed in September of last year, shortly before filming on the Inferno began, and is classified as a domestic abuse case... And if the restraining order wasn't enough to end contact between the two, Julie filed a small claims case against Gabe when she came back from the Inferno. The case was filed in November and settled in February. With attorney in hand, Julie went against Gabe winning $2,400 in small claims court.
Once again, thanks to Steve for that! Have a great day everyone!

http://realworldroadrules.blogspot.com/
# posted by RWRRB @ 9:13 AM

Gina8642
Member

06-01-2001

Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
IMO Julie is a volitile person. While it is probably a good thing she doesn't drink or do drugs, it still goes to show that it's a person's personality that really gets them in to trouble - not mind altering substances. Julie is so volatile, she doesn't need mind altering substances to push her over the edge of self control - which many do. She seems to have poor control over her temper and she seeks conflict in her life rather than avoids it.

Coral on the other hand, is an extremely forceful person. I think she definately intimidates other people due to her amazing ability to argue and her amazing linguistic gymnastics and quick comebacks. However, I don't think everything she says is meant to manipulate - that is she just isn't spending much time thinking it out, and trying to achieve a certain outcome in some deep machiavellian way. Still she does have a great deal of influence and I think that drives Julie batty because she lacks that ability to influence others, yet sees herself as a physical assest to the team (right or wrong) - yet she has little ability to convince anyone else of that with Coral there.

I think if either of them were to go, things would be much more peaceful. If I really had to choose, I'd want Julie to go, because of her willingness to cheat and play dirty in the challanges (like tugging on Veronica's safety lines). Still, it's a close call for me because both woman can be pretty repugnant much of the time.

Peepinagain
Member

07-18-2002

Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I understand Not1worry, but this is a competition. You want the strongest players left at the end to win. So switching men/women taking turns makes it more even for the genders but "you should go because you haven't gone yet" has nothing to do with being competitive and trying to make a winning team.

As far as Coral asking if Julie wanted to go. I felt she was asking if she could kick ass or not. Julie just said she'd never held a gun in her life, implying that she doesn't know what she's doing with it, and if Coral thought she would do better then go for it. I actually thought that was the best communication they've had between each other the whole time. AND totally working for the team.

Texasdeb
Member

05-23-2003

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 6:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
IMO - Coral has proved that she is only the strongest player of the mouth. Even though I wanted to kick Julie's little fanny off the show after playing dirty w/Veronica in that 1st challenge, I have come to respect her for standing up to Ms Coral. I do see how folks would go along w/Coral just to not get the rath of her tongue. At the same time, I see how folks maybe don't follow Julie because she might be "mean" & unpridictable. There are only 2 female infernos left & Julie goes into the 1st one. Wouldn't it be funny if Julie goes home & then the next female inferno Coral goes home. That would leave RW with Leah (their weakest IMO female from the get go) with them for the $150g challenge. HA!

Llwynn
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07-19-2003

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 10:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am not a huge Julie fan, but Coral drives me nuts and Julie hit the nail on the head when she said Coral only put herself up for the Inferno because she knew they would pick Mallory. Too bad no one would listen to her.

Guinevere
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03-15-2001

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 11:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
>Julie hit the nail on the head when she said Coral only put herself up for the Inferno because she knew they would pick Mallory. <

Well, I don't know how Coral could have known who they'd pick, but assuming she did - so what? Even though it's a team competition, I don't think there's anything wrong with an individual using strategy to try to ensure that she stays in the game. I think it's smart. Somehow, when Coral does it, it gets called manipulation.

Llwynn
Member

07-19-2003

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 8:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You are absolutely right Guinevere, it is strategy and a good one. All I am saying is, Coral used that martyr attitude claiming to put herself up for the Inferno knowing full well RW wants her around at the end becaise she causes conflict(like Katie) and because they dont think she will succeed in the last mission. When Julie pointed this out to others, Coral got all riled at her.

Gina8642
Member

06-01-2001

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 9:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Who walked away from the fight and who hung out in the hall way screaming at Coral to come out and wrestle? Who is the instigator? Who is the one causing conflict?

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
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Me thinks Julie dost protest too much