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Pirate
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06-20-2002

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 9:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I feel for Kwame. Not that Omaraso isn't to blame but even if he didn't think he could have fired her, he at least should have called her on the carpet for her actions. Kwame was just a little bit too laid back for his own good. We have seen how Donald doesn't like it when a person won't take a stand for themselves.

I am glad Ereka got to tell the world "told you so". Ereka said she would have fired Omaraso because she lied and that Ereka new she was lier all along.

I really, really, really hope that Omarosa's 15 minutes is up now. If she does come back next year I will not watch, nor either of my two watching buddies. We are sick of her and don't want to see her teeth on the TV screen any more. Please go away!

I was somewhat disapppointed in Troy's performance or at least how they showed it. I liked Troy. He needs some polishing though, I think he was out of his league with the Jessica Simpson concert.

Hope Bill does good on his new adventure.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 9:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I can't wait to watch..

Tish-Oma-lala you are Omariffic!!



Hamsterlady
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07-03-2003

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 9:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jay Leno just said that the newly crowned 'Apprentice' will be on tomorrow night's show....

Bill on Leno tomorrow night! :-)

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 9:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just went backwards and Kwame would have been stuck with Omarosa.. Bill got first pick for his team.. right there Bill got the head start..

Kwame will get that short deal from KFC..

However, he should have tried to fire her.. and nipped her photo-ops with the star in the bud, too.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 9:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Didn't anyone else notice when the other contestants were brought on stage the first time after the win was announced, Oma tried to push her way around to the front and The Donald put his arm out and pushed her back?! I couldn't believe it when I saw it, but I was thinking, "He's had enough of her trying to steal the limelight that truly is not hers!" My next thought was, "Oh oh...she'll say she was abused and has proof on tv!" Yow!

I think Bill did deserve to win. I wasn't a fan of his until the end really. I wanted to root for Kwame, but he really seemed to let the ball down when he didn't act more firm when there were mistakes made. I wasn't sure at first how DT was going to judge this one - the calm over the ball of energy who looked nervous to his team. Kwame made a bad call by picking Oma in the first place. It occurred to me we were given the answer with the title to the last show which was something about not letting the dog bite twice?

I also thought they might offer Kwame something. Actually, DT did answer in response to Kwame something to the effect of Kwame not being done with Trump yet.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 10:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The key word throghout the show was "loyality".

How anyone could feel Omarosa would be loyal or trustworthy is beyond me.

I would have put her in her room right after the first phone call. Kwame spent more time cleaning up her mess than he did to accomplish his final task.

I also still think the past contestants were to sabotage but they decided not to show us because they will use the same tactic next year.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 10:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
But again.. he was going to get Omarosa no matter what.. Bill had first pick.

Pirate
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06-20-2002

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 10:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes, he would have still wound up with Omarosa, but he did choose her over Heidi. Maybe it would have looked better if he had been stuck with Omarosa instead of it being his choice.

Sweetmelissa04
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03-20-2004

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 10:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wouldn't doubt that Kwame will get a high paying job in another market. Although, I've questioned his work ethics since the signing of basketballs though.
I tried to put myself in the place of the Donald tonight. I was missing about two billion dollars, according to E!, so I changed to who would I rather work for. Someone who sits behind a desk and delegates things to do, taking very little responsability and all the credit OR someone who is out there with me, digging in the dirt? Editing aside, you have to admit that Bill was right with his employees. If a job wasn't getting done, he did it himself. I felt like he motivated them as best as he could in this case (but giving them money during the Planet Holleywood) to boost all confidence. If I am doing my job, I like my boss's to actually check up on me. That gives me time to shine myself. So, in essence, I liked the mangment style of Bill and he got my vote for tonight, like a teacher from Texas' vote counts!

And Mrs. Omerosa..... She <acted like> a strait up IDIOT!!! Yet again proves to me that a hot shot degree can leave someone with NO common sence or people skills.

And was it just me, but when I saw the Crossfire I thought, I bet Bill has a better car than that. And I think he was smart to take the job in Chicago. He can still keep an eye on his Cigar Business, work out some deal with his retail sales on the side, and work for the Donald. Hope he doesn't have a girlfriend!

All in all, I'm happy with the show ending. I'll miss it for sure, but I think it ended well. Makes me wanna head to New York and try out.... NAAAHHH, one boardroom with the Donald and I'd be in tears!!!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 11:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A Chrysler Crossfire for Bill...hmmm, that one team had the lame idea to raffle off a 3 day rental of that very same vehicle at the Taj Mahal. Did they GIVE one to Trump (who winds up looking very generous by giving one to Bill), or was the team maybe forced to use that Crossfire in their Taj Mahal project because Chryler paid Trump to show it on the Apprentice?

Jhezzie
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07-05-2001

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 11:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Watching2, I totally saw that, lol! He had to do it again at the end. O started the touchy-feely, "Donald Really Loves Me" move, and he turned her out of his way, lol.

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 11:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Holy crap, folks! I have missed the last couple of weeks of this show, and even though I have been reading about the controversy with Omarosa, I had no freakin' idea exactly how bad it all was! This woman is a piece of work, and how she is justifying all of this in her mind mystifies me (I caught a snippet of an interview on Access Hollywood earlier). She appears to be deluded and I think more than a little bit off. Her elevator ain't going to the top floor. Her toolbox is missing a hammer. Whatever, but she's a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

It would be a shame and counterproductive for DT to bring Omarosa back next season. It is one thing to have someone you "love to hate", but this really goes beyond that. Someone mentioned the bad karma swirling around her...swirling around like an F5 tornado.

All in all, this show turned out to be an absolute blast to watch, and I look forward to the next season.


Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 11:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
After having a loooong discussion about all this with a dear friend of mine (a black woman who is convinced Omarosa set the image of black women back 50 years lol), I've figured out what it was that bugged me so...beyond you know who lol.

If you look at the two tasks the guys had I just don't see that they were equal, or the problems equal. Kwame had tons of problems to deal with and Bill had one missing pic. There were no missing players, nothing hands on he had to organize. He walked into a dinner that had been pre-arranged to make sure it was set up right, while Kwame was arranging and responsible for things right and left, with problems that kept popping up. This just doesn't seem fair to me.

Personally I hope next season they give them EQUAL tasks and see how they do on a level playing field. And it might not make for as good TV, but they should have been working with the professionals who would be working on the events and see how well they could lead them, not folks that were already fired for not being good enough to be on that level IMHO.

Even though it was a local reporter, we got the exact same interview that was quoted above here in MA...hmmmmm....wonder if all reporters asked the same questions so it looked like "the Donald" was answering them lol. Ah TV...don't ya love all the reality we get hehehe.

Tonight just was NOT good for my blood pressure lol. Though I agree...this was a fun show to watch and talk about. But as I also mentioned to my friend when we hashed it out, it means next seasons folks will be a lot more saavy and probably cut throat. I'm betting we'll be missing MOST of this crew lol.

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 11:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I absolutely agree about the inequality in tasks. Puh-lease, there is no way that the golf tournament was more difficult than the concert planning. <insert eye roll> DT is deluded for thinking that they were even - no way!

Kwame did a great job handling himself and the huge task at hand...all the while being completely undermined by Omarosa, having to deal with Heidi's continual neuroses (btw, i can't believe she admitted to DT that she needs to be micromanaged!! Hello - weren't you in the running for the president of one of his companies about 4 weeks ago? lol), and Troy's inability to follow thru on an assigned task.

Bill had to contend with frost and one lost sign? Whatever! lol


Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Friday, April 16, 2004 - 12:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sooooooooo....

Oma wasn't a planned plant. How did DT not ask her, "What were you thinking with that lying? Did you think you were going to get away with it? It was ON CAMERA for EVERYONE to see! What was your goal in doing that?"

But they just sort of glossed it over.

Now we know. Oma lied a number of times. I hope we never see her on TV again.



Fanny
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09-13-2000

Friday, April 16, 2004 - 12:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kwame's problems arose from his placing what turned out to be too much confidence in his team's abilities to perform the tasks he delegated to them without following up and making sure they did what they were supposed to do.

Perhaps Bill only had to contend with frost and one lost sign because his team performed their assignments and didn't create the kinds of problems that Kwame had to scramble to fix. Bill's team complained of his micro-managing them, but the result was that what needed to be done WAS done.

I suspect that had the projects been switched, with Bill handling the concert and Kwame working the tournament, the result would have been the same. Kwame's team would have managed to screw up assignments and the tourney thus wouldn't have appeared to be such a smooth sail. On the other hand, Bill and his team probably would have made sure they knew Jessica's travel plans (and she wouldn't have gotten "lost"), Bill's team would have made sure the catering staff knew what time breakfast was planned for, and they would have communicated better about keeping Jessica at the meet-n-greet for 3 minutes longer because they would have known The Donald was on his way to meet her.

The screw-ups leading to Kwame's embarassment were because his team let him down at critical moments, not because his project was easier. It could very well be that the tournament appeared easier because of Bill's successful management of it and the better performance of his team.

Wasn't it Amy who said that she, Nick and Katrina were working FOR Bill and no longer in competition with him? That's not at all the impression I got from that O-woman, Troy and Heidi. They were trying to "shine" for themselves and not doing the team thing like Bill's people were.

JMO.

Luvtrash
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07-10-2003

Friday, April 16, 2004 - 12:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Trump did ask her about it and she started one of usual monologues and he cut her off and went to someone else. I was glad he didn't give her more face time but expect we will see more of it in the days to come. It seemed to me that she was going to say that you shouldn't expect anything out of anyone you had fired and brought back. She very possibly lost Kwame the job. After the first lie he did say that if it were his corporation he would fire her, so he must have assumed he had no control over it because of the show. I certainly hope the clock is ticking on her 15 minutes! And that next season will be as good!

Sunrvrose
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08-13-2001

Friday, April 16, 2004 - 1:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I told ya so, I told ya so, I told ya so, na-na-nana-na.

There was no way in heck DT was going to be involved in any kind of scheme or deception that involved Oma after the rediculousness of her past history.

So There

sunrvrose is now running out of the room

Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Friday, April 16, 2004 - 1:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Fanny, I TOTALLY agree! You hit the nail on the head. Bill had planned well in advance for any problems that MIGHT arise and was on top of them and his team wanted to make HIM shine.
Kwame's team were not on top of tasks, needed more supervision, etc. which he didn't give them then had to pick up the ball when it got dropped. Also, they didn't seem to care about doing their best job to make Kwame look good.

Sunrvrose
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08-13-2001

Friday, April 16, 2004 - 1:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Regarding tonight's challenge, I was absolutely sure that Kwame was going to win until I saw the way that Bill acted. Bill acted like a leader/manager. He was on top of every detail, just 'cause he delegated it doesn't mean he just forgets it. His energy was exactly as it should have been.

Oma definately hurt Kwame, but he was not on top of things as he should have been and he was way too casual about the difficulties.

Once a person is at the level of a Donald, you probably don't have to get into the trenches, but on your way up, you better not be afraid of doing anything and everything to get the job done. Bill was the kind of leader tonight who would have gone out and blown on the grass to get it thawed. Kwame was more like a leader who would tell someone to go get more coffee to make the wait easier. Both things are good, one is just better.

It also seems that Kwame's "skirt-chasing" comment wasn't a wise choice of words. (He said his marriage had failed because he "still had a lot more "skirt-chasing" to do.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Friday, April 16, 2004 - 1:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Fanny you raise an interesting idea for next year...why not have them swap tasks and teams...see how they do in each other's shoes. Bill might have mapped stuff out but what problems did he prevent? Was he left in charge of the banquet? That seemed all prearranged. Did he have to arrange transportation for any star golfers? I didn't see that. I just seriously didn't see him do much other than look for a sign, make a mess while preparing gift bags, and wait for a thaw.

And I still think it shouldn't come down to other's performance. Kwame's future shouldn't come down to whether or not someone with a grudge and attitude of the Grand Canyon sets out to rock the boat and steal the show, whereas Bill's group actually did their jobs. And it's not like either of these guys could interview and hire who they wanted. They had to choose from a tiny group as if they were playing a game of schoolyard kickball. Maybe that's fun earlier in the season, but IMHO when it gets down to someone's future I just think it's not right. The funny thing is neither Bill nor Kwame was my fav..so it's not like I was esp rooting for one or the other. Kwame had a slight edge for me, but the one I really wanted to win was already out. So this isn't bitter grapes...I just really saw this showdown as unfair and unbalanced.

Lastly, since I can't sleep I was reading todays paper (hoping that would lull me to sleep lol) and there was a very interesting article in the Boston Globe. They interviewed top execs, most of whom were addicted to the show like the rest of us. They asked them who would they hire. Only one was mentioned by name, not once but twice. Most waffled, and one said the two finalists were the best and both qualified yadda yadda. But who did 2 of the folks say was the best all around Apprentice? (Enough dramatic buildup?! lol). My boy Troy! :-) Thought that was very interesting!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, April 16, 2004 - 1:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You know, a thought has been brewing ever since the show aired.
The tasks were so uneven between the two finalists. BUT, it occurs to me that DT MAY have wanted to see Kwame stand on his own and take the reins firmly. Omarosa showed her colours previously, Kwame should have been riding her making sure she was going to perform or change her duties. The MINUTE she was caught not wearing her pager or carrying the phone Omarosa should have been fired.
It seemed the Kwame made an excuse for NONfiring her but the truth is.......this was his big chance and he blew it.
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Bill was a frenzied freakout artist. I cant believe that DT let him off the hook when Bill commented that he wasnt flustered simply 'that was his style'. Hmmmmmm his style?? that we hadnt seen before?? Bill is a control freak...the kind of boss which harrasses his employees to a point of abuse. Didnt he bug Amy 15 times with the same question? Katrina(?) claimed he bugged her at least 20. The manager of the Golf course said that Bill came into her office at least 150 times. That is harrassment in business.
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There is a very fine line between an aggressive style and employee abuse. Treating everyone like they are not capable of their tasks will NOT go over well in the Future for Bill.
I missed which JOB Bill decided to take. For everyone's sake I hope it was the Golf Course in Los Angeles....Contruction management takes knowhow and experience, the five year?? building plans would be too much for Bill I would say.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, April 16, 2004 - 2:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sun.. no, he chose the Chicago job.. but I guess that would be because he already has a business in Chicago and is familiar with that area.. I also thought he should go for the other job, where he'd learn a new area, make new contacts and so on.

I think Kwame's style would have worked with the other team, oddly.. and Bill's style could have possible tightened up Kwame's team of prima donnas.. In real life Bill will have to back off a bit because he'll have more employees and more layers of managment, but hopefully he'll still do some "management by walking around" and touching base with the lowest levels of the organization, but more to listen than to interrogate..

My theory is the Kwame realized that he would be stuck with Omarosa and also realized that if he chose her last she'd probably go ballistic on him.

I'd say next year they should bring back the whole group and let the two leaders choose a team from that group, but not be forced to take half of a certain group. And there should have been a coin flip to see who chose first.

Still all in all quite an entertaining show.

And in LA, I did watch the news and guess what? NO interview with Donald, even though they covered the results of the show and promo'd the morning show and Leno appearances. Could be because the had enough local news, car over a cliff in Malibu and some other disaster situation, plus the Osama bin Laden video and more.. and.. gasp.. we even have some potential rain daring to make an appearance on the day of Moonie's wedding!! That is also news here..



Bronxie
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07-29-2003

Friday, April 16, 2004 - 3:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The big winner in this show was the Trump. The salary he'll pay to Bill is only a drop in the bucket compared to the fantastic publicity that he has generated. Aside from his own charismic persona being viewed by the public, he had superb public relations and press concerning his little known Golf Course and his Atlantic City extravaganza....He also promoted (in detail) the upcoming spectacular (and bigger than Sears) building in Chicago and the magnificent golf course, overlooking the Pacific, in California.

Personally I loved the show and am a BIG DT fan, but he's not a "soft touch", a Fairy God Father, a patron of charity or the Jolly Green Giant. And he certainly wasn't looking to give a helping hand to some young "wannabe." He's the Billionaire who never turned his back on opportunity and finds new opportunity everywhere.

You could say he got more than he baragained for, but then again, so did we.

Do you really think Bill will have any decision-making powers? He'll be top "watchdog" at the most. And remember, the "job" is only for one year. I suspect Kwame looks real good to many big corporations. Incidently, I woke up during the night, turned on TV, and saw Erika, Katrina and Kristi on Howard Stern, looking very UN-businesslike, giggling at his usual inappropriate and degrading questions..and I thought, Omarosa has more brains than that.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, April 16, 2004 - 5:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think Omarosa has more brains... I think Howard has a tad more than Omarosa, which is most likely why she wasn't there.