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Eliz87
Member

07-30-2001

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Geez Louise. This rings of the same discussion we had during the last Big Brother. Why does it always happen?

Omarosa is an intelligent, ambitious, well-spoken, albeit self-important woman who just happens to be black.

Heidi is an intelligent, ambitious, scrappy, albeit foul-mouthed woman who just happens to be white.

Is either woman "representing" her particular community or does either have the responsibility to do so? I think not. Everyone has their good qualities and their bad qualities. Hopefully people in this day and age are evolved enough to understand that.

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What was the name of the blonde that got the boot about 3 weeks ago? Didn't like her.

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Excellent post Eliz!!!!

Buggles
Member

09-07-2002

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Pantageas, I don't know why you are insistent on characterizing me as someone who stereotypes when I've made it abundantly clear that I'm not one to do this. Like I said, I was referring to OTHER PEOPLE, but somehow you seem bent on lecturing me on a behavior that I find ignorant & wrong.

I only brought up affirmative action because you said you did not see how there are any advantages for a woman of color. I never inferred anything about Omarosa's past, I am talking about her future potential as a highly educated & qualified African-American woman in a climate where many organziations are looking to diversify.

You also have disregarded my personal experience seeing African-American women at Omarosa's level/education having an advantage in big business & government, calling my observation 'naive.' What can I say? Frankly I think the same of your world view, since you apparently have NOT seen this.

At any rate, you seem bent on distorting my intent & ignoring my experiences so that you can talk down to someone. I thought that maybe I would be getting an apology after I clarified my initial post but YOU seem have an 'agenda' to draw negative inferences into my comments that are just not there. I don't mind discussing sensitive differences of opinion fairly & sincerely but I don't have the energy to sit here and respond to all of your insults & mischaracterizations.

I agree that we should just drop this & let it rest :-)

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"amen" to Buggles!

Moderator
Moderator

06-30-2002

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Folks, let's keep the posts about the issues and not about each other, in accordance with the rules of this board. Thanks for your cooperation!

Snogrl
Member

08-31-2000

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did anyone happen to see Omarosa on "Regis and Kelly" today? Details would be great! :-)

Pantageas
Member

02-05-2003

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 4:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Eliz 87 - That is EXACTLY the point that is to be made. Neither of them represents anyone poorly except themselves.

Snogrl, I didn't bother looking for Omarosa anymore after reading some of her interviews in print. The sooner this woman 'fades into Bolivian' the better...

Spygirl
Member

04-23-2001

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 4:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Snogrl, Rslover's post above at 10am has details about Omarosa's stint on Regis and Kelly today.

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 5:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I can't imagine her as a talkshow hostess. First of all she will tick all her guests off by mispronouncing their names. Forget female guests, they will all kill her.

Happymom
Member

01-20-2003

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 5:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tishala, I can see where Omarosa would come off somewhat regally if you've only seen her just the one show. If you'd seen her in most or all of the episodes, well...that regal air about her takes on a different meaning! Also, Heidi really comes off a certain way, kind of rough around the edges. She does swear a lot, but the vocal quality of her voice just isn't the sweet way that many women have. She even uses quite a non sappy non sweet tone when she tells her mother "I love you" on the phone as she's crying with love and worry about her mom (who has been diagnosed with cancer since the show began taping). I think several of us have changed our opinions of both Omarosa and Heidi since the first show/first few shows.

If you really enjoyed that one episode, you'll probably enjoy seeing this in reruns if it ever happens. (or maybe a marathon type like abc family does with The Bachelor/ette shows.) It's really a great/interesting show. I think, for me, it'd be hard to get into it this late in the season. There will be a 2nd season of this with all different people. If you get a chance to watch the rest of the series, I hope you enjoy it!

Buggles
Member

09-07-2002

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Elizabeth, I agree, as I think everyone here does, that Omarosa should not be viewed as 'representing' her ethnicity any more than Troy, Heidi, or anyone else. This all started because I intimated that some people (thankfully a minority) DO stereotype unfortunately however, particularly with regard to African-Americans.

Because the behavior of African-Americans in the public eye DOES have a bearing on SOME people's general views toward African-Americans, I said that this in a sense puts the spotlighted people in a position of 'responsibility.' This is just a word I used for lack of finding a better one... I didn't mean that Omarosa MUST act with ignorant white people in mind, but the reality is that what her behavior probably will influence some people's opinions either positively or negatively about the African-American community at large.

Many prominent African-Americans DO recognize this position of influence, Omarosa seemingly included. Many prominent African-American leaders also discuss improving the 'image of the African-American community.' I personally have a deep & longstanding interest in this, having had several very dear friends of African heritage since I was a young child. I have done advocacy work with community-based groups in some of the most depressed African-American communities in the United States... I am always thinking about what effects real change. I believe there is work left to be done... I suppose I am guilty of having the 'agenda' of wanting to see any lingering prejudices against African-Americans eliminated.

So when I posted I never expected that anyone would presume that *I* stereotype because I acknowledge that some Americans do. I was also surprised at how people misunderstood what I meant by 'responsibility,' but hopefully this post will clear that up.

Anyway, time to move on! :-)

Snogrl
Member

08-31-2000

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 11:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Spygirl, thanks for telling me about Rslover's post about O on Regis and Kelly. I must have overlooked it reading the other posts today.

Rslover - thanks for all the details on O appearance today. I felt like I got to see the show. It was interesting that Regis and Kelly called her on some of her behavior (Jay Leno did too). Usually Regis, Kelly and Jay give more softball interviews. IMHO she deserved it.

Is anyone else surprised at how much they like this show? I really love it and can't quite put my finger on why. I tape it for my son who is away at college, and I find I always have to include the opening music because it sets it off perfectly.

Costacat
Member

07-15-2000

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sno, I think it's like an accident... you just can't NOT watch! <grin>

I didn't like Omarosa because of her personality and attitude. It had nothing to do with her color, and everything to do with her condescending, "holier than thou," "I did not come here to make friends" attitude. (And she claimed she was an outsider. Geez, d'ya think her attitude had anything to do with that?)

I think she deserved to be fired, and I think Donald wanted to fire her the last couple of weeks and couldn't. Whether she sold the only piece of art was irrelevant. She was NOT a team player and, at this point in the game, being a team player counts a lot. Well, leadership does, too. But calling meetings to discuss what to do when y'all are actually doing that right then does not a good leader make (lets have a meeting to discuss having meetings!). <wink>

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 7:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Happymom, thanks for the comments. I really DO hope I get to watchthe whole show at some point--I know CNBC did a marathon once before--so I can get caught up on all the gossip and side stories on this show.

Rslover
Member

11-19-2002

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 10:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Omarosa was on The View today (along with Helene Gwen, Evan) Gee, the woman gets around! Finally, wearing pants-a nice white suit, actually. She was going on and on again about the "serious concussion" she walked around with for two weeks. She said she was told that she would get a one-on-one with DT regarding her "injury." She claimed she was "set-up" to go back into the boardroom. Star was laughing, and asked her if she really thought they would turn the cameras off the moment she showed some emotion. She also said a clip supposedly showed her reacting to the comment "the pot is calling the kettle black" but it was because someone called her the "N" word. She said no one ever called her that in her life. Yeah, we believe that.

I know you want to hear about the others too
Evan Mariott is hosting a new show, Fake a Date. Helene and Gwen were plugging their book, Nobody's Perfect. Gwen said Bob Guiney kept calling her to date him. Helene sold the ring on E-bay. Star commented that Aaron has said beforehand that he would break up with her. She said she believed that was true.

Dat1ua95
Member

11-05-2003

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I saw O on the View as well. Hopefully, she has never been called the 'N' word. I am sure she meant that she had never been called the 'N' word directly to her face.

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Rslover...why is THAT so hard to believe??
I pray my son is never called that and I don't find it so hard to believe that O has never been called that. SOmeone calling her a b!tch, yes, but that word is the most offensive word in the world and I can believe that she has never been called that before

Upstate
Member

01-16-2004

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 1:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i recorded the view but haven't had a chance to watch it yet...sad about our society that it is so acceptable to call women bi!ches and ho's. that is something that has to be worked on.

O is getting as much if not more air time then sam did. i bet she wouldn't like the comparison! LOL

Pantageas
Member

02-05-2003

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Now I don't believe her on that in the slightest. I do not believe for a moment that if one of the other contestents had called Om the 'N'-word that TPTB would not have replayed that clip about 50-60 times by now. It always amazes me how these reality contestants with attitudes like Om always make so many excuses on why they acted the way the did. I'd at least give them credit if they were honest...

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe I misread Rslover comment,, I thought she meant she didn't believe that O had never been called that.

If she meant she didn't believe that someone on the show called her that, I have to agreee with Patageas.

Did she say who it was? I would also like to believe that if one of the contestants did call her that they would have been fired immediately!!!

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113788,00.html

Here is a story on Omarosa and her plans for the future...gave me a good laugh!!!

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 3:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Can you imagine Omarosa and Nancy Grace hosting a newsshow together.

Prisonerno6
Member

08-31-2002

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 3:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe "Mr. Mizarahi" would be willing to design her fashion line for her.

Cassie
Member

07-15-2000

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 4:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wonder what's going to be more successful; the talk show or the fashion line? Hmmmm....