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Texannie
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07-16-2001
| Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 10:21 pm
Why was Klingingsmith performing a rock song in a country and western bar??? LOL Nutter is so nutty. How in the HELL do you go off and leave your 14 year old daughter with no clear plans on who she is going to live with??? granted, I would probably kill that child without a 2nd glance! LOL
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 10:39 pm
The line of the night was Mr. Nutter's "I'm Mary Tyler Moore. I just might make it after all." I thought I would die laughing. Poor Shane, he has no talent, can't sing, can't dance and has the personality of a Ken doll. Too bad that Mama just can't see it.
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Texannie
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07-16-2001
| Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 10:41 pm
that was great!! I thought Shane actually sounded better tonite, but his dancing. I could hear my choreographer yell "arms!!! no throw away arm movements!" did the parents of the back up dancers pay to send them to Vegas too?
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Melfie1222
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07-29-2002
| Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 10:50 pm
Texannie, lol.... Shane K's "audience" (all 10 or so of them) didn't seem to mind. But I think it was really Mom K's big moment... she made sure her birthday was recognized. And she was the choreographer, too! Nutter dad was just on the only show he is ever going to "star" in. He even got to pretend he was Mary Tyler Moore. I do not get this family. I wish I could feel sorry for Nutter mom but she needs to stand up for herself, and for her kids. Finally, on this show she said something about Nutter dad being manipulative. When Nutter dad noticed that she had opened her mouth to speak, he started asking her if she thought that she was worthy and thought that she was pretty.... grrr. Teenage Jordan and mom... mom is acting like the teenager. Pageant Mom and Emily... sigh. Emily is now coaching her older brother. That sounds like a four-year old having fun to me!! The "Aftermath" show is tomorrow night.
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Demeter
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08-05-2001
| Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 7:25 am
The young Jordan and her mom have such a loving, yet disciplined relationship. Nice to see. Nutter is just nuts, period. It is so sad to watch those kids want their dad's love and to hear them give more mature soundbites than him. His older son talking about "it is a fantasy that is just not going to be reality" was on target. Sadly the children suffer for it. Older Jordan and her mom. ugh. Emily...so sad. A four year old crying to "take a nap". Crying "I want to play". The child is just so sad all the time. How terribly painful to watch this mother be so out of tune with her own child and not care. Finale tonight. I predict they will mostly be defensive and clueless. It will all be about how the show was "edited".
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Texannie
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07-16-2001
| Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 7:29 am
I defintely think that will be the whine. I did see some clip where brat Jordan introduces her mom as "my personal doormat"! ugh I love the relationship between young Jordan and her mom. The mom has such a peaceful quality to her.
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Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004
| Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 8:43 am
my I couldn't believe older Jordan's "mom" (and I use the term loosely). I can't wait to see the update on that. I hope that someone watching this show will offer Shane dancing lessons - if this is what he wants to pursue. I can't believe his mom thinks he's so good! I literally cringed when watching that performance. And the "Vegas venue" looked like it had about 20 people - probably all friends and family. Another delusional parent? Mr. Nutter - where to begin? I hope the mother takes the kids back to Vermont. (although I highly doubt she would do anything he doesn't want her to do) He's a caricature. little Emily's mom can say whatever she wants about the editing, but there it is on camera several times that Emily does NOT love pageants! And from what I gathered from the show, it's been awhile since Emily even placed first. I wonder why that other pageant mom didn't want her or her daughter to be on camera at all? And why they made a big deal about it? I would think they'd love the exposure... Lastly - little Jordan and her mom. I LOVED them. It's refreshing to see a grounded and attentive mom! All in all - I enjoyed this series. I hope they do another one.
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Tishala
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08-01-2000
| Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 9:24 am
I thought this was the best episode so far, so I'm sorry to see the series ending. I was really happy to see SHane get some recognition in his career; he works hard and enjoys doing it, so I'd hate to think that he'd never have his moment in the sun. It's also great that he attributes his success to his mother so much. People may think he is untalented--I agree-but it's every bit his dream as much as it's his mother's, so let him chase it. Eventually he may find that he cannot succeed, but who can tell? I do think there is something creepy about his mom's overweening affection, though. "Big" Jordan's mom has been the worst thing on the series, if you ask me (even worse than Emily's mom). She seems intent on destroying her daughter and simply getting Jordan to pursue this for mommy's benefit. Mommy's histrionics should embarrass her, but I fear she lacks that as a possible emotion. I think she might be wise to concentrate her efforts on her husband; to my eyes, she has failed as a mother to her eldest daughter. I loved when Little Jordan's mom rolled her eyes about the "has anyone in your family been a slave" question. A perfect response. And I really respect that Jordan's mom forces her daughter to study hard and to succeed academically. Everybody wants to rag on Mr. Nutter, but it's really Mrs. Nutter's fault. We saw last night that he is willing to listen when he has to (i.e., when his kids wouldn't go along with his series idea), so I have to believe he would also listen to his wife. She, unfortunately, has chosen to take him on as a child, as well, and she gets what she deserves: a childish man.
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Fruitbat
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08-07-2000
| Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 10:10 am
I have only watched this show twice but it is easy to get the picture. Mrs Nutter shares the responsibility for their situation. I wouldnt go so far as to say it is all her fault. Her passivity is pathological. Big Jordans situation is the worst, I agree Tish. I am going to assume editing played a part in allowing viewers to believe this child was left on the doorstep of the, now empty, home to wander off and find a new situation. I am sure this was arranged ahead. No matter. This mother abandoned her child for a man and it appears that her interest in Jordans career wanned when she found other security. Emily's situation is sad. Not much more to say here.
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Becjo
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09-04-2001
| Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 11:47 am
I hope that Young Jordan and her mom do well - they were great throughout the series. She seemed like a wonderful mother - definately kept her daughter in line with good values. The rest of them - can't say that for them. Poor Shane. How hard do you think its going to be to clip those apron strings and for him to find a wife that will make him happy when he grows up. Slim to none in my opinion. Is it wrong to want to slap a teenager? If I could get my hands around the older Jordan's neck - and even more so to her mother. They need some serious therapy! Fluffer Nutter - that man is amazing. I'm like some of you - I cant feel bad for the wife - she's an adult. Pack up the kids and leave if you're that miserable - she should even leave because the kids are so unhappy - what's keeping them there????? The cutest of the night - Emily telling her brother, "Big Smile Brandon!" - she was so cute. Flip side of that - how sad that's all she knows? I did love her little fish face though - I just wish she could have more fun in her little life - you're only a kid once!
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Mamie316
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07-08-2003
| Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 12:05 pm
Demeter, I agree with Emily always looking sad but her mom never actually looks very happy either. Becjo, I'm with you with wanting to just slap that Jordan. Her mom should have never let her talk to her like that in the first place or let her rule the roost. I think her mom was young when she had her and it was a case of a kid raising a kid.
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Lurkin
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02-15-2002
| Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 12:50 pm
Just can't keep quiet so opening mouth (keyboard) I don't agree with all the wonderful little Jordan/mom relationship. She is struggling at school and out all night doing homework late and tired after 9 pm for a 8 year old. She should have been in bed. yeah I agree with mom kid had time in office to do work but mom should have pushed her and not have taken her to studio. Baby sitter if necessary. Jordan said she deserved punishment for not applying herself, but the kid has to be worn out and apparently homework is not a priority with mom Mom has a ticking time bomb attitude to me , I don't think she is that patient off camera. The kid has talent Big Jordan has a point in my opinion, mom meets guy on internet pops up with fiance and dog on first meeting. Who is this guy, is he a child molester , would he make a good father for kids? Mom up roots kids for stranger? I said bravo to Jordan over the comment mom sells house moves to Colorado for Dave and Dave leaves her she has nothing to go home to. And Jordan wasnt abandoned in CA, she was going to live with Grandpa. I hope all goes well for her being a teen is hard enough having a wacko mom doesnt help. I have 2 teenagers, yeah they are smarta@@ at times but Jordan has a point with mom. Those Nutter girls are beautiful. Wacko daddy should be forcing them into modeling instead of acting I hope one day when that man is old and alone he sees what an abuser he was to those kids. His conversation on the couch with Grace on how this is his time his chance, what about childhoods? I am really happy that shane was so excited and feels he got his time in the limelight , I hope he holds on to that for the rest of his life and "if" he doesnt make it will take the let down easily. He genuninely seems to want it. touche for the confidence and mom 's support, but just dont think he will be a star. But hey puburty aint over yet Thanks for the rant. I love this show and hope Bravo continues the series in some way.
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Whoami
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08-03-2001
| Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 3:57 pm
Tish....well said on Mrs. Nutter regarding Mr. Nutter...."She, unfortunately, has chosen to take him on as a child, as well, and she gets what she deserves: a childish man." That's it in a nutshell! Lurkin, I had the same thoughts you did with young Jordan and how Mom had her up so late at night doing homework. Poor kid needs sleep! But I do think of the ones shown on this program, they have the healthiest relationship. And I think the Mom isn't nearly as delusional as the other parents on this show. After seeing previews to tonight's follow up, I wonder if Emily's Mom is going to whine about maybe even not being able to do pageants any more because of the "threats" she's been getting. Well, I say GOOD! Poor Emily would be a lot better off not being carted off to all those "dog shows." That comparison still galls me, not so much because its likely a good comparison, but that Mama Tye bragged about it! If Shane doesn't make it, it will be because of his mom. She thinks he is so incredibly talented, she won't even bother to get him professional training. She already thinks that they are the professionals. Those backup dancers were just as bad as he was, and it looked like it was more from lack of real training than anything else. It sort of reminds me of French figure skater Surya Bonaly, who had the potential for enormous talent. But her mom insisted on "coaching" her, and not letting anyone else near her. What exactly set older Jordan's mom off, that she decided to just quit and go to Colorado? Was it the fact that one agent turned them down? Makes me half wonder if hubby put some pressure on her and told her to move to Colorado with him or forget the marriage.
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Texannie
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07-16-2001
| Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 4:20 pm
It bothered me too seeing young Jordan so tired and trying to do her homework, but I also have a child that will procrastinate. Haven't any of us who's kids are involved in sports, kept their sibling up a little later because of games or practices? Is that really better or different than for mom's job? I wondered about big Jordan's mom's husband too. I didn't realize that they had never lived together. For some reason I thought that they had moved from Colorado for her career. Their home never looked like a permanent home to me either. I also didn't get the feeling that it was settled that she was living with her grandfather. She said something to the effect of "if that doesn't work out, I can maybe stay with so and so who's been like a father to me." btw..where was her bio dad? I also have to wonder what's up that grandfather would over-ride mom in the decision to let Jordan live with him.
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Lurkin
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02-15-2002
| Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 9:20 pm
I agree Shane needs someone other than mom training. She is holding him back. I dont know why but was shocked about all the other kids they have. Yeah big Jordan's mom for wising up. I really felt sorry for those kids. Must have been bad since she was just gone a week . And good job on Jordan and her maturing and seeing how she should be acting. I was upset I missed the nutter/oprah but looks like between that and the show Nutter got a reality check slap. I think that is great. Still don't understand how they all slept. The apartment didnt look over run with beds. I felt for Emily's mom. That was uncalled for for someone to say Emily is butt ugly. She is beautiful. Even if she werent it is horrible to say about a kid. To take the stuff out on the kid is wrong. . Besides the Tye story line seems like all turned out pretty well. I had expected it more negative good to see that it really made some differences.
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Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 7:14 am
I think the Nutters' said at one point that the girls all slept in one bedroom while the boys slept in the living room. The girls bedroom seemed to have mattresses all over the floor. However, every time I see that apartment, I think it needs to be 'Clean Sweep'ed! I have mixed feelings on the Tye family. Of course, no one should take anything out on the kids. On the other hand, just what did the mother think would happen? I seems to me that she wanted Emily and her brother to get attention (note the comment at the penultimate episode about getting jobs for them), and it backfired. I did notice the Nutter, Barron and Tye mom's just looked better in the last episode. Seeing themselves on TV must have been a shock.
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Mamie316
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07-08-2003
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 7:47 am
I still have a problem with the Barron family. Who's running that family? I thought Mrs. Tye was just wrong but no one deserves to be scared for their lives. Of course, it seemed like all the email came from pagaent people. That just made pagaent people look so much better. Of course, Mrs. Tye is the type to make lemonade out of a lemon and now she can have her daughter be an actress!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 8:12 am
I missed it. What happened with Big Jordan and mom? Shane had siblings?
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Tishala
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08-01-2000
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 9:01 am
Shane is part of a LITTER! His one brother lives at home--he's like 17 or 18, I forget--and there are I think 6 or 7 kids in all (it's a blended family). Mom's hubby said all the discussion about her being pushy didn't even scratch the surface (he was joking). Big Jordan's mom divorced her husband with whom she lived for a grand total of one week. They now have to rent in LA, whereas they had previously owned their place. The mother is just a sad figure. ANyone notice they showed that "prosti-tot" line on the show in the collage of insults hurled at the Tye family? Just uncool.
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Mamie316
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07-08-2003
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 9:12 am
I thought so too Tishala. She is just a little kid and there was no need to show that.
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Robok
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10-28-2003
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 9:34 am
I thought little Jordan's mom was cold. I thought she could do her homework in the morning. As for the Tyes, I don't think her behavior is much different than parents in sports. Little League etc. People saying the little girl is "Butt Ugly" is sick!!! Shane seems to be having fun, more power to him.
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Whoami
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08-03-2001
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 1:04 pm
When Mrs. Tye said some people didn't want to have the pageants filmed cause it never gives them a good name I thought, "and the reason for that is......?" Too bad they can't get a clue, huh?
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Texannie
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07-16-2001
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 2:12 pm
Wow, big Jordan's mom divorced that husband?! No wonder Jordan called her a doormat! Robok, I agree with you about sports, but for some reason seeing those little girls made up to look like women gets to me more!
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Jesuschick98
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05-11-2004
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 8:29 pm
Will they show this show and the follow up show again??? Does anyone know?
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Robok
Member
10-28-2003
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 2:03 pm
Texannie, I agree about the makeup, it gives me the creeps. I suspect in adolesence when these little girls are going through their awkward phase, they are in for a rude awakening. They are being programmed to think beauty is all that matters. IMO.
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Melfie1222
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07-29-2002
| Friday, May 21, 2004 - 6:08 pm
Jesuschick, the follow up is on again on Sunday June 6. Then the whole series from start to follow up on June 21st. Bravo Schedule
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Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002
| Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 7:39 am
This show always reminded me of that HBO documentary, "Living Dolls", where they followed around a 5-year old named Swan and her mother through the southern child pageant scene. The little girl was just charming, and her mother - a hard-bitten chain smoker who worked three jobs to fund her daughter's pageants, seemed for the most part to have hopes for her daughter's future in mind. So anyway, they just re-ran this on HBO. And I got curious about whatever happened to little Swan, who would be about 10 now. Well, it turns out her mother had to move them out of their home, lost her boyfriend and died of a heart attack last year. Swan wound up in the middle of a custody battle between her absent father and her older sister, and currently lives in Alaska where she no longer competes in pageants.
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Mamie316
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07-08-2003
| Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 7:45 am
Oh Wow! I remember watching that when it first ran on tv. That's such a shame.
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Amchess
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08-27-2002
| Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 8:12 am
Do you know if Swan went with her father or her sister?
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Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002
| Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 8:17 am
It sounded like she wound up with her father, but I'm not positive.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 7:43 am
They re-ran this last night. Some new thoughts came to me. 1. Nutter is absolutely the most narcisitic person I have ever seen!! Even his son's audtions became about him! 2. Emily's mom said "all the right things" but her actions contradicted it all. 3. Except for the makeup, I have seen parents act the same way with sports. Is it just the makeup/pageant thing that makes it so distasteful?
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