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Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 12:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
troy has been before the board "every single time"? just which of the gals was he last night? :-)

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 1:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tabby,

I think what they meant was, his TEAM was before the board every single time, but he was never selected as one of the three to face The Donald!

I'm so glad to see everyone starting to support him. I've liked him from the beginning and what he did in the last episode just proves what a great guy and people person he is. He really thinks on his feet. I really hope he wins this thing! :-)

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Troy was amazing the other nite I don't think the Donald was very impressed early on (the way he carried himself in the boardroom or with his leadership), but I'm sure his sidekicks are letting him know about Troy's flair for negotiating. I would have thought that perhaps that heavy country accent would be a liability in NY but time after time he was able to use it to his advantage. I'm looking forward to seeing how he performs from here on out. I think he needs to handle himself with a similar finesse in the heat of the boardroom & demonstrate that he can lead.

Jesse annoyed the heck out of me so it was sweet to watch her get the axe She really thought she was superior to everyone else

Interesting to see some flirtation between Nick & Amy... my two faves. Jake & Brooke were the baby names *I* had picked out when I was Nick's age a few years ago... how spooky

Ladybug007
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08-13-2000

Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Go Troy....I want him to take this thing and run with it...

Thank you Mr. Trump....I just love when he says that hee hee!!



Sweetbabygirl
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08-31-2002

Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'd like it better if he said it naked, damn but he is hot!!

Ladybug007
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08-13-2000

Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
ha ha I second that notion!

Puttergirl
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08-11-2000

Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 3:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Survivor Sucks doesn't discriminate. If you went to the link I posted above to see what they have to say about Omarosa, you'll want to also read their views on Tammy:

Start with the 2nd post and be sure to read the 3:18pm and next 2 posts: http://fsurvivorsucksfrm16.-Apprentice-2

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 4:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL those ppl crack me up with the names they come up with!! I also LOL at the cuss words they try and invent!

Cassie
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07-15-2000

Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 8:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree, Pamy. They've got some creative writers over there, LOL

Cassie
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07-15-2000

Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 8:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
<Rudarosa> LOL :-)

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 12:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Not that I disagree with Jessie being fired, but what's bothering me is Trump's reason. If he had fired her for her performance with Mizrahi I would've agreed wholeheartedly. Instead he fired her for the most nonsensical reason. He doesn't mind keeping someone on who's insulting or abrasive as much as he minds keeping someone who isn't easily offended. Why would you want to work with the kind of person who's always taking offense? It's unbearable to be around someone like that much less have to work with them. He may think that's some kind of sign of strength, but I just think it's a sign of insecurity.

However, Heidi was impressively sharp. Even though she knew Omarosa's clumsy compliment was only intended to point out that her first impression was wrong, Heidi still changed her mind and decided to act offended. She must've flashed back to the last board meeting and realized she was about to get fired for the same reason Kristi did. Good thing for her she had that extra time to rethink her position.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 8:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I understand Trump's decision to fire those who do not stand up for themselves. If a CEO cannot stand up for themselves, how are they going to stand up for an entire company?

I believe that Trump has seen good leadership skills in Omarosa. She is tough, but she does rethink her attitude or actions once she realizes her position is in jepoardy. She demonstrated that abilitiy when it was the ladies against the men. I believe he was harsh with her in the boardroom to teach her a lesson. That she cannot treat people rudely and run one of his companies. I believe Trump thinks Omarosa will think about what he's said and try to change her behavior.

Omarosa is a person who is making mistakes. Like everyone else in this competition. But the fact that everyone dislikes her so much, and she was still able to get everyone together and do so well as project manager, is an indication of those skills. I could work for someone like Omarosa. I have worked for much worse.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think that DT thought that Jesse lacked integrity, and he was bothered by this with Heidi too. Remember when he said 'you must be lying or dumb to say you're not insulted... I would be.' People who lack integrity are weak. Omarosa lacked tact, but she was being honest. Jesse however LIED that she liked Omarosa even when it made her look dumb after being insulted. DT has seen that people can be successful in business despite being a little brash or tactless, but not if they'd rather get taken advantage of than say what they really think (the 'people pleaser syndrome').

That said, Omarosa is weak because she feels she has to cut others down to make herself look better. Some people do get ahead that way to a point but it catches up with them, and the strongest people don't even feel the need. I think this is what he sees and likes in Nick. He's strong... he stood up for himself in the boardroom, he didn't jump on the Sam witchhunt bandwagon, and he's not afraid to compliment the competition. He looks inward in deciding how to act, instead of flapping back & forth in the wind like the women in the boardroom. DT won't be choosing Omarosa & Heidi in the end.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 11:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
NIck or Troy will win! I love Troy. He cracked me up when he said to the Queer eye guys he was a virgin at prom nite LOL

Maris
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03-28-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 11:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree it will be Nick or Troy. The women in this show were an extreme disappointment and I hope Donald fires whoever picked that bunch and hopefully he does it before the next season. Or maybe even better, Nick or Troy will head up the division that manages Donalds Reality Show participation. Wouldnt it be fun to see Troy on the other side of the boardroom next season and put Heidi at the reception desk..

Grannyg
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05-28-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris that is a great idea!! That would be tooooooo funny!!

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 11:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL Maris! I agree... too funny.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL! I doubt any of these women will work for DT judging by the way his assistant dresses, I was shocked she had the top button open last week!!! LOL

Maris
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03-28-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
She would Kill Omarosa in thirty seconds flat and Heidi? She would get the jobs cleaning her toilets.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Heidi could bring Troy coffee LoL Except she would probably defy orders & bring in a tray of shots

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL Buggles!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 7:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I suspect Trump didn't choose these women for their business savvy. He chose them for how they look in short skirts, and for how much drama he thought he could get out of them.

Troy will probably win this (or at least he should), but in the meantime Trump is looking for good TV, and when the women won't give him a catfight he fires them. Notice it didn't matter when the women did stand up for themselves...to him. He insulted them by saying they were either stupid or lying, and they stood their ground (or at least Jessie did). It's when they refused to let him tell them what to feel that they were fired.

Part of being any kind of leader is having wisdom, and that includes picking your battles. I just don't believe he got to where he is now by being as thin-skinned as he wanted those women to be.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 8:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did anyone think that Omarosa picked the two women to go with her, thinking that she'd for sure get another woman out? I had a sneaking thought that she was trying to be the lone woman standing in her group.

I think Donald did make a good choice. Although I liked Jessie better than Omarosa, if she couldn't speak up for herself, she would be of no use to his company. And the way she flip flopped (sure she likes Omarosa, blahblahblah)... Donald will respect you more if you stick to your beliefs than if you say what you think he wants you to say. It was also pretty pathetic for her to beg -- really just showed he made the right decision.

I really am liking Troy a lot more. I hate the way he speaks, but he does have some spot on leadership skills.

Unlike Omarosa. Who, I think, confuses bullying with leading.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 8:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think the Donald expected the women to erupt in anger or start a catfight, but to at least acknowledge that they had been dissed. It could have been as simple as smiling incredulously at Omarosa's digs, at least until it was the right time for them to speak. And especially then when asked, they could have done much better than 'oh yes, I like Omarosa.' That was a perfect opportunity to adress the reality of the situation. Their take on Omarosa could have been conveyed in a sentence or two, perhaps even peppered with a little humor, and without anger or cattiness. But it should have been firm, honest, and indicated that they won't sit back and accept that kind of rudeness. Then they should have put in a few good words in defense of themselves.

That they didn't know how to do this told him all he needed to know imho.




Buggles
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09-07-2002

Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 9:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh btw, Costacat... I also thought it was curious that Omarosa picked the two women. There was no way that she could have justified Troy, but from what we were shown Kwame was no help at all. Regardless I can't believe that woman worked in the White House

What is so disappointing too with this show is that the women won comps by flaunting their wares. Then they got chided by Donald & his blond sidekick even though they 'won fair & square.' It gets more confusing to realize that they were clearly ENCOURAGED in the first place to flaunt excessively... I have no doubt they were told to bring the skimpy outfits in addition to their business suits. And even beyond that they're being filmed in various states of undress.

So imho this show is sending out a very disconcerting, hypocritical mixed message about women. What have we all learned? That the way to get the best numbers is to hire a promiscuous looking group of flirtatious women. And if you're a woman who wants to contend for an apprenticeship with DT you should look great in skimpy outfits & be willing to be filmed in your bra & panties for the 'interview.' But in the end that will all work against you in getting the job because it's not in line with the company culture.

Thanks DT & MB for the fine examples you are giving America of women & the businessworld