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Puttergirl
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08-11-2000
| Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 10:58 am
I'm surprised anyone would think it wasn't staged. It was so obvious to me. I'm quite sure that all the staff, as well as Jessica and her Dad were in on it. Why else would Jessica's Dad not care that they don't know where she is. I think Kwame and Bill only have the illusion of being in control of these projects. If you thibk about it, the tasks they were given to do don't seem to encompass everything that would need to be done to run such a big event. It seems to me they were each given a number of "controlled" tasks that were being manipulated and wouldn't affect the outcome negatively. The real test is how they handle problems as they arise. I think it was obvious when they showed Nick yawning through Bill's team meeting and Amy just shrugging at everything he said. They were told to be difficult and some are better at it than others. Another clue was when Omarosa laughed out loud when she got the phone call the next day in the hotel room when they were all meeting again. I think she's having so much fun being a big wrench to Kwame that she couldn't help it. I'm not saying that Omarosa was a plant during the whole show. I just think they were all told to make as much trouble as possible during the last project.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:04 am
Kwame says he would never hire Oma, yet he picked her 2nd for his team
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Puttergirl
Member
08-11-2000
| Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:16 am
I just read a post on Survivor Sucks that makes a good case for Oma being a mole- Sorry guys...I've only read back a few pages, I know some of you have talked about the possibility of Omorosa being a mole, but I don't know if THIS idea has been floated already, and if it has...go ahead and throw tomatoes.... I said to my husband during the show on Thursday night that Omorosa HAD to be a plant, her behaviour was soooo off the wall. BUT, I'm now thinking she's been a plant all the way along. I mean, think about it. She was totally disagreeable and argumentative the whole time, and was a master at avoiding work and twisting everyone's words around. For someone who is supposedly professional, KNOWING she has cameras on her pretty much 24/7, KNOWING that she's competing not just for the Apprentice position, but for any other offers that might come her way because of the show....she was terrible. Remember when she "lost" Kristy's money? Remember when she couldn't pronounce Isaac Mizrahi ( didn't even know his name...C'MON! ), and kept interrupting Jessie when she was making her pitch? Seems to me she did the same thing some other times someone else was negotiating when she was present. Remember when she was Project Manager? Someone on her team called her on the phone ( help me out..can't quite recall who ) and wanted to discuss a strategy with her, but she cut them off, hung up the phone and refused to talk? It made NO sense at the time. Of course I shouldn't have to mention the 'plaster' incident. Remember when she was playing ball ouside while everyone was working on the apartment? C'mon! She knew the cameras were rolling. Remember the fight with Heidi over the 'sit down' lunch she just HAD to take? In hindsight, ALL of these incidents smack of sabotage. Remember when she busted into the board room when she was finally "fired?" She did it, merely because it was her turn, and that would ENSURE her firing..... ...considering that she was up before Trump in the boardroom EVERY time her team lost before that, and there seemed to be no rhyme or reason for her to be kept in the game. I think she was kept just long enough to make the F8 ( ensuring she'd be involved in the final task in order to screw that up, too. ) Interesting that she was the FIRST person fired of the F8. hmmmm.......co-incidence? Then when I saw Trump's clubs, I also saw that as perhaps a hint that we might see Katrina be up to a bit of hijinx in the next episode, too. BAHHHH! EPMB!!!! whatever.....
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:20 am
I could buy that if she wasn't acting the way she is acting in the press after the show....I don't think DT would have her raise those race issues for ratings....God! I hope not!
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Puttergirl
Member
08-11-2000
| Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:38 am
Here's another one I think is very persuasive: Everyone is posting on this over in the actual episode threat, but it seems it belongs over here. How many people over here think that the "difficulties" coming up with the events is orchestrated by Burnett et al? This is the basis of my belief in the "event snafu's" conspiracy: A lot of this is based on my knowledge of TV production, but my feelings about O are not that she is devious (in this situation), the producers are. 1. To those of you who believe that Trump actually takes this seriously--NO, it's reality TV. That's like saying that American Idol is looking for the best musician. Donald Trump is as big as he has been in two decades because of this show, but during filming, they couldn't guarantee this success--thus, to him it may have been a trivial little experiment in a market he knew nothing about--he took the producer's advice. Believe me. The producers (and maybe Trump, although I doubt he was even involved in the selection) chose the contestants for entertainment value--not just to get the best "apprentice." Thus, they took Omarosa expecting a . They took Troy for his "awshucks" value. They took Sam for the scary glare. In reality TV, the producers go up to the contestants and make "suggestions" all the time; most of the time contestants oblige. I wouldn't be surprised if they told Sam to try the $1000 lemonade idea, and encouraged some of O's complaining, etc. My thoughts on this are that it is very sad that a lot of people are so sucked in by reality tv and people like Kwame and Bill sign up to compete, thinking it will lead to a real job. I'm sorry, that's stupid--can you imagine how other Trump employees will treat the "apprentice"? "Oh, you're Don's kid from the apprentice--go make some copies." Honestly, their participation in this show can lead to nothing good-they'll have a lot to overcome. Also, I do think it is sad in Kwame's case that he participated becuase he could have gotten hired regardless. Furthermore, am I the only one who is predicting that the "job" of the apprentice will be to produce the Apprentice 2? I mean, really, considering all the promotional appearances the Apprentice will have to make, I don't think they would have time for much not-associated with the show. 2. The producer manipulation and editing on this show cannot be under-estimated. For example, I believe that the producers knew who they wanted in the final two--typical white condescending boy Bill,and then self-made likeable Kwame. The interview clips we were shown prove nothing because they were so short. I think Donald's vice-roys were told to come in and say nice things about Bill and Kwame and rail on Amy and Nick, who had received more personal attention and accolades from Trump in the past. There is a lot of time involved in set-up in order to get the viceroy's in, lit, and the camera's and sound rolling-the producers would have told them how and what order the speaking was going to happen, and probably what to say. The power of editing (or what is left out in editing or never recorded) also makes me believe that Bill and Kwame knew the booties were coming back. Neither seemed that surprised. As the picking happened so quickly, I'm sure that they had worked it out beforehand. I don't care how smart Kwame and Bill are, they can't think that fast. Thus, I believe Kwame knew he would pick O. I think it is, in that case, it's smarter to have people you know around because at least then you know their strengths and weaknesses. In the meantime, the producers have plenty of opportunities to say to Kwame, "have Troy do promotion and Heidi do this," leaving him with O, or they suggest to put O on logistics. As far as contracts on this show, they can be so binding, that Kwame was TOLD who to put where. I believe that the Simpson thing was already set-up in advance, and then the producers tried to get O in the position to be in charge of it--creating the best story and most drama. 3. The whole snafu thing is just too stupid to believe. I don't necessarily think O is a plant-but I think the situation is created. I have planned MANY major events and yes, things do go wrong, often. But...Dianne had to have been working with the Simpson's for a while to set-up the concert and Jessica's arrival. I believe it is all set-up, and Dianne was told to have O check into something, and just see if she did or not. Jess has performed there before--this would have been taken care of, and if nothing else, as I and others have said, she would have called in to her daddy as soon as something went wrong. She complains about ANYTHING to him. She would think this is great fun, to "participate" in a reality show. SHe was truly great in the classic Punk'd episode where Dax pranked Nick (one of the best Punk'd ever), and enjoyed doing that to her husband. She is in on this, believe me--it is part of the deal for her to get guaranteed airtime on a major network, not just performing, but as a "personality."
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Ocean_islands
Member
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:58 am
The thing is, a lot of these people will make a lot of money from personal appearances, etc., after the show. A 'real' job becomes less important then.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 2:43 pm
The whole "n word" incident negates any belief I have that O was a plant. You don't commit slander as a plant. The information that has come out about O's work history in Washington along with her demeanor in interviews just supports my opinion that she really is that bad.
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Puttergirl
Member
08-11-2000
| Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 3:02 pm
But it is possible that she was a mole all along, or more likely a mole in just the last 2 episodes, AND is the awful person everyone says she is. They aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 3:14 pm
a rodent yes, but no mole.
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Tobor7
Member
07-19-2002
| Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 3:39 pm
P6 said: The whole "n word" incident negates any belief I have that O was a plant. You don't commit slander as a plant. The information that has come out about O's work history in Washington along with her demeanor in interviews just supports my opinion that she really is that bad. I agree. And what of the "plaster" falling on her head? She was faking it then. That wasn't a plant issue. Oma said she was cast in Apprentice as the typical angry black woman when she was on the Oprah show. Oprah called her on that but didn't pin her to the wall. Oprah: "Don't you take responsibility for your actions on the show?" Oma: "Yes I do." Next question should have been, "So you are an angry black woman then?"
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 5:09 pm
The way Amy was perceived when being interviewed was, in my opinion, pretty accurate. She was all appearance with no substance, and she even admitted she was babbling in an interview. I think the reason they fixated on her appearance is that they couldn't figure out what she was saying. Didn't someone say it appeared that she was just saying what was expected but that there was no real conviction behind her words? I have to agree with most of the assessments of Amy, and that it was a smart move to fire her along with Nick. Neither of them had what it takes to be a high level exec in a multibillion dollar corporation. Nick is a phenomenonal sales person, but that's it. And Amy had some great ideas, but that type of person is generally the creative person, not the manager person. Should be interesting to see who gets hired this week. I want Bill to get the job, but highly suspect it'll be Kwame who walks away with it. Then again, it could be like Idol, and even the second place finisher gets a deal!
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, April 12, 2004 - 10:42 pm
The BEST moment of this episode... and probably my favorite of the season... was after Trump said to Amy 'you're a cold-hearted person.' The camera cut to Bill & Kwame and they couldn't contain their reaction 
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Jan
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 1:22 pm
AMy was on the View with Nick. Amy said she was in a "no win" situation when asked by Trump if Nick should be fired. She said, (I am paraphrasing)"if I said 'no, keep him. he is really good etc etc', then they would have said I was female and reacting emotionally because I supposedly had a relationship with him. Because I said to let him go, then I was a heartless B*tch" She definitely has a point there. She could not win on that question. Notice they did not ask Nick the question re Amy.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 7:18 pm
Yeh, I saw that Jan. I agree with Amy & thought it was so cool of her to speak up & say that. Although I do suspect that Trump's comment may have had something to do with the cold tone in her voice... the WAY she said it... not WHAT she said. It does seem in business that women tend to be overly emotional or overly cold... like they just can't find their comfort zone. I just thought it was hilarious that Bill & Kwame couldn't hold in their surprise/laughter Ever dig your nails into your palms during a meeting?? They sucked it in as quickly as they could   Soooo funny to watch!!
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 7:33 pm
I think what got Amy and Nick fired is the fact that they had a relationship together. Nobody in their right mind would hire either of them, two execs who cant even go a few weeks without jumping all over another coworker. That just screams lawsuit. At least Trump got rid of the man and the woman, usually its the woman who gets the short end of that one.
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Realfan
Member
08-08-2001
| Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 1:55 pm
I don't believe Oma's a plant. Especially after that N-word charge. We would like to believe she's faking her awfulness, because the alternative is hard to fathom--knowing there really are people as incompetent as she is out there in the work world. I can personally attest to the fact that there are real, actual people as difficult to work with as Omarosa! Reading she was fired four times from jobs at the White House relieves my concern that the Clinton Administration didn't see her flaws. Apparently they did, but couldn't rid themselves of her. <dh> Just watching the show, as she ended up lying, you could see her frantically trying to wiggle out, see how she got herself caught in her own lies--because she wanted what Oma wants--in this case, to continue having dinner and not let the other team members see she should drop her fork and get to work. Oma will do what Oma must to make Oma happy, regardless of the ethics involved. None of this is to say I don't think the TASKS are well-designed for the test of hiring one of the two finalists. That's a separate issue altogether, and I agree--no way would Trump let either event fail. mod(dh)
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Ginger1218
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08-31-2001
| Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 2:13 pm
I don't think she is a plant, but I DO think she was told to try to throw a kink into the plan to see how Kwame handled it.
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Idolworship
Member
05-07-2003
| Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 4:54 pm
I think that there is a slacker-plant on each side, to test the "bosses," and that the acceptance, by Omarosa, of another 15 minutes of fame, weakens her litigation chances. Smart move, by Trump and the producers.
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Realfan
Member
08-08-2001
| Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 5:03 pm
I believe Omarosa has narcissistic personality disorder, which is why she's so "out there" and out of touch with reality. Here's a definition: Diagnostic Criteria A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following: --has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) --is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love --believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) --requires excessive admiration has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations --is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends --lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her --shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes I don't believe she's acting at all. Sadly, she is who she is.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 8:18 pm
The DT tip for last wk had was "dog doesn't eat dog" about how you need to have loyal ppl in your company........I think that was a clue that they were told to be 'unloyal'
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 9:17 pm
Is this ep new tonite??? I dont remember them showing all the stuff with Bill and the golf clubs
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