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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 2:22 pm
Man, she is something! I have two African/American children, on Asian and one Hispanic. I hope they NEVER think they can use the "race card" for anything! They have to develop who they are from the inside out.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 2:56 pm
Nobody shouldered the responsibility on Omarosa other than Omarosa. As near as I can tell the show is premised on X amount of over achievers and who will win, That two happened to be African American, One Asian and one Hispanic doesnt really fit into it all. Omarosa is the one who chose to say she lost because of her race, I wonder if she would have said she won because of her race? Omarosa lost because of her personality and she can delude herself any way she wants but it isnt helping her future to run around whining that she lost for a bunch of reasons other than her own actions.
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Ladybug007
Member
08-13-2000
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 4:26 pm
Everytime she cant anwser something the way she wants ...she pulls the race card..its sad really.
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Pantageas
Member
02-05-2003
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 4:33 pm
Gotta correct you Buggles - Omarosa no more worsened the image of any 'African-American community' than Nick does for Caucasian males, or Heidi for Caucasian women. And the fact that you think Omarosa is 'advantaged' because of her color makes me think you have your own agenda to push. Omarosa was a bitter, mean, self-centered, egotisitical woman who seemed to have fought for herself for so long, she lost all perspective on when to fight. She also happened to be African-American. Let's leave it at that.
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Ladybug007
Member
08-13-2000
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 5:38 pm
Omarosa on Hardball anyminute..MSNBC
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Jan
Member
08-01-2000
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 5:46 pm
my God..did any other evictee get the TV time this woman is getting. She must have a great publicist!
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 6:03 pm
Omarosa will be on Regis and Kelly tomorrow (Tuesday). Kelly was about to start talking bad about her this morning, then Gelman told her that she would be on tomorrow and Kelly got this funny look on her face and you could tell she was just chomping at the bit to talk bad about Oma and just pasted a fake smile on and didn't say anything else. I can't watch tomorrow so maybe somebody can recap the appearance, I hope Kelly puts it to her!
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 7:02 pm
I will say this again. Omarosa does not represent the whole African-American community and she in no way worsened the image of African-Americans.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 7:07 pm
maris said "That two happened to be African American, One Asian and one Hispanic doesnt really fit".... Hispanic? Who? I can't even remember.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 7:17 pm
Gotta agree with you, Pantageas. The fact that some people continue to hold ONE person responsible for an entire race of people in this day and age is a shame. I would never say something like this, that's just ignorant. Omarosa represented Omarosa and maybe her parents, but I refuse to accept the responsibility of her actions. And if anyone thinks otherwise, then they have the problem.
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Upstate
Member
01-16-2004
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:15 pm
no matter if you agree or disagree it is the right of any person/poster to state their opinion. not everyone is ignorant that does not hold the same opinion. too many african american men and women on television represent themselves as speaking for their race. it is true they can only speak for themself. i'm tired of people calling others ignorant or racist. not everyone has to have the same opinion. people throw these words around so easily.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:21 pm
The comment saying that Omarosa ruined the image of African-Americans is ignorant. No one is calling someone ignorant just the comment was ignorant and no one called anyone a racist.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:23 pm
The biggest problem with Omarosa pulling the race card is, if I had viewed her behavior in this show, and was in a position to hire someone, I would be extremely cautious to hire her. Heck, I probably would have her resume in my no pile without a second thought. First, her personality is far too abrasive to be a fit in any company I would hire for. Second, the minute she didn't have her way, she'd be pulling the race card. I'd be constantly watching my back for fear she'd sue me/my company based on racial bias. In fact, I wouldn't even let her in the door for an interview, cause she'd probably sue me for not hiring her due to race. She's really only managed to damage herself more than anything else. No, Omarosa does not represent the AA community. Not any more than Sean did in Survivor, even though he often boasted he was there to "represent."
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:27 pm
Exactly, Mocha. No one called anyone ignorant or racist until the comment above. I for one am going to take a break from this thread before it gets uglier than it already is.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:32 pm
All I can do is just shake my head and sigh.
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Essence
Member
01-12-2002
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:40 pm
Me too Mocha, me too. I guess I should have followed my first instinct and stayed out of this thread, but I thought things would have cooled down a bit since everyone's favorite person to hate had finally been fired. I guess the other pests on this show (Nick, Heidi, and Katrina come to mind) just aren't as intersting as Omarosa.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:41 pm
Well I gotta correct you Pantageas While Omarosa SHOULD considered as only representative of herself, not her race/ethnicity... the sad fact is that some people (thankfully not most) out there do have a tendency to draw extrapolations, and in this period of our history African-Americans are one of the groups most prone to these kinds of prejudices. I'm glad that you haven't witnessed any of this sort of prejudice in recent years yourself... maybe having always had very close friends who are African-American, I have been sensitive to it when I see it. My opinion is that on some small, subconscious level to SOME viewers watching, albeitly unfairly & wrongly, Omarosa's 'playing the race card' may subtely color how they view African-Americans in general. If they don't know any African-Americans personally and live in an insular homogenous community, and they see three or five 'Omarosa types' on tv, they may start to extrapolate this to the African-American community at large, even without consciously realizing it. I don't think our society is perfectly wiped of this kind of prejudice, though it is getting close... I'll take it as encouraging if you disagree I do believe that MOST people know better.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:53 pm
Oops sorry Pantageas, I see that others here also objected to my post, not just you. I didn't mean to single you out. Well, that is my opinion... I am sorry to have upset anyone by sharing that I have met some ignorant thinking people in this world. I don't know if people are calling my observation ignorant, or unfairly extrapolating that because I've met some prejudiced people that I'm prejudiced too, or they are offended by my sadness/opinion that Omarosa may have deepened the prejudice of some ignorant people. Yes, it's not Oma's fault... it's the ignorant people's fault. I am just trying to look at things realistically though as to how prejudice is formed and dissipated. I would like to see more African-Americans in the public eye that help dissipate any lingering prejudices in our society. Maybe if I were a producer I'd cast with this in mind. Sorry if this offends anyone... kind regards to all
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Purplecow
Member
12-08-2003
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:55 pm
Kwame was on the losing team in weeks 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 9. Bill was on the losing team 1,2,3,4,7 and 8. Or was the "Bill, Kwame" post not in response to my question has anyone other than Amy NEVER been on a losing team?
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 9:30 pm
No, cuz only girls left are Heidi and Kat, both have been in boardroom...all men have been there
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 9:41 pm
Pantageas, I just noticed your comment: "And the fact that you think Omarosa is 'advantaged' because of her color makes me think you have your own agenda to push." I have no 'agenda' and can't imagine what you think that might be. The only hope I have is for Omarosa to embrace the advantages of being African-American at this time. Corporations & government are looking to diversify... it's just a fact that there are less degreed people in the African-American community proportionally. That means that any African-American who is college educated (or especially with a graduate degree) has an advantage proportionally in a climate where organizations are looking to diversify. Omarosa is very well educated & has a fabulous resume... most people in the corporate are NOT prejudiced like she seems to think. Imho it is sad to see her feeling like every criticism of her is because of her race, instead of feeling confident & powerful being a well-educated African-American. In today's society I do think it is an advantage... I have seen MANY examples of this working in government & big business. I have friends who believe they have been hired in part because of their race, gotten access to mentoring, scholarships, admittance to graduate schools with lower GPAs or test scores. And I say GOOD for them!!! I don't think it will always be this way. The hispanic population is projected to rise substantially... and with continued immigration from non-European areas of the world, we are going to fast become a very racially diverse society. I don't think 50 years from now that African-Americans will be afforded a leg up as they are in some situations now. It is Omarosa's time..... my opinion
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Upstate
Member
01-16-2004
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 10:09 pm
i guess what i was trying to say earlier and didn't was that it is almost impossible to have a REAL discussion on race. if you are not politically correct you are called ignorant or racist. until O had been fired and done the talk shows. i don't recall any comments posted on her race. i could be wrong but i don't remember seeing any. O has brought up her race....she put it out there. if she had won would it be because of her race then??? i don't think so. i don't think she was fired for her race either. actually she was fired for past performances. she wanted a different artist and sold the only piece of art in the competition.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 10:14 pm
quote:I don't think 50 years from now that African-Americans will be afforded a leg up as they are in some situations now.
One would hope that 50 years from now there will be no need for that "leg up" as there is now. (The only one I've heard say Omarosa is representative of African-American women is Omarosa herself...)
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 10:31 pm
Upstate, I agree with the sentiments you expressed in your first paragraph. It amazes me that I can express sadness for Omarosa feeling some unnecessary pain about her race intead of thinking of it as an advantage (like many of my friends), and then be accused of having some kind of evil agenda. The only 'agenda' I have put forth I suppose is wanting to see any lingering prejudices in our society eliminated so that all African-Americans will have a better life. I don't know how this got translated into being evil & ignorant, if it did. Maybe I didn't choose my words carefully enough.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, March 08, 2004 - 10:42 pm
Prisoner, I totally agree! This is essentially what Sandra Day O'Conner said in her most recent opinion on affirmative action. I'm optimistic this will happen too, and that's why I still say this is the best time to be a 'well-qualified' African-American in some respects, because right now instead of just being on equal footing you have a slight advantage over the competition in many organizations.
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