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Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You should send that to Jay Leno, Oprah and DT!!!!

Mizinvanccouver
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02-22-2003

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just finished watching last nights episode of TA and Wed episode of Oprah.

I agree that something is up with DT & Omarosa. For starters look how DT & Omarosa matched their outfits!! DT in pink tie and Oma in a pink suit with the EXACT shade of pink! ROFLMAO

Another thing I thought strange was how Heidi wasn't saying much as Oprah pointed out. I think Omarosa did get together with her and told her she was (is) the mole and that's why she kept her mouth shut.

Another mole theory is I think she was hinting to Kwame to take charge and doing something when she mentioned (as someone else did here on this thread earlier) that it was 'HIS' job now not theirs...or something of that effect. I think that was a lead to say,"You don't have my support so you better do something about it!"

Anyway...just my 2 cents.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tish that is just fantastic, worthy of a letterman spot. You should send it to John Stewart. I bet he would put it on the air.

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for the compliments, everyone, but I have to confess I got it from democraticunderground.com

I'm sure somebody there found it some place else, too.

Wink
Member

10-06-2000

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I speculated after the third or fourth episode that Omarossa had to be a plant because no one with the supposed type of background she brought to the show could possibly be that obnoxious, irritating and clueless without it being a huge put on. I continued to believe this until she brought up the "N" word incident on the View. Surely even Trump or Burnett would not stoop this low for ratings or allow Ereka to be a sacrificial victim? Her subsequent appearances have done nothing to convince me she is behaving like anything other than a delusional whack-job who needs some serious intervention.

I was disappointed that Oprah did not challenge her more. She has been an inspiration for women of all races to elevate their beliefs in themselves as proud, confident and capable but I can't believe the Omarosa model is what she had in mind. My question to Oprah would be, "Would you hire this woman as a member of your staff?".

I also mentioned in one of the threads last week that I would never be able to look at C. Rice without thinking of Oma. Thanks to Tishala I'm glad to see that my observation was not that far off base.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
hmmmmmmmmm I really dont know who I want to win. The comments about Amy's looks and personality really bothered me. The same old thing!! Men deciding that an aggressive woman is threatening while the two 'laid back' seeming guys are easier to 'get along with'.
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I felt Kwame did a lot of delegating of jobs then DIDNT Followup to make sure jobs were actually getting done. This is a management error.
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I would have liked to see the two Finalists work with complete strangers....to bring back some of these 'passive aggressive' rejects from the show leaves the possibility open that there WILL be some sabotage. Not a FAIR test of management styles in MY book!! Just my opinion.

Cassie
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07-15-2000

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Great post, Wink.

Sasha
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03-06-2004

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 4:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I totally agree with your last point Sunshyne. They should have been asked to interview and work with other members of Trump Inc.

However, I think the assertive players such as Nick, Amy, Troy and Heidi may not be the best for management. They seem more like doers than delegaters. The laid back final two appear capable of dispersing the tasks. I think that not actually having complete hands on control would bother some of the other competitors. I am unsure of what DT is looking for but it appears to be an organizer, not a go getter.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 5:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think that Trump necessarily set up all of Omarosa's behavior, but he knows how to use it to his advantage. It would make perfect sense to me if Trump whispered in her ear that as long as she's coming back he has an assignment for her to stir things up and make "good TV." It keeps people watching and talking about the show. Omarosa is his cash cow, and he knows it.

This is the man who put Sam in an evening gown to promote his beauty pageant, and look at how he tried to make a big deal out of Nick and Amy as America's favorite couple. He's doing all he can to get his show as talked about as Survivor was.

Regarding Amy's interview, I'm sure those people have interviewed and hired their fair share of women over the years. At this point they can probably tell who's going to be a good leader, and who's all fluff and no substance (hence the comments about her image). They didn't just talk about her appearance, though. They seemed to have a problem with her personality and found her irritating.

There's a danger of another double standard out there. When a man passes on hiring another man nobody cares. If a woman passes on hiring another woman she's being unsupportive or even sometimes accused of feeling threatened. I'd hate to think women in business are expected to support other women just because of their gender. After all, a man who's too aggressive is called worse things than the b word.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 5:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I dont think women are expected to support other women but in this group of women I never saw such a collection of back stabbers and <> The men on the other hand worked well together, were able to compete against each other and not bring it to some sort of personal level. That was the problem the women got personal.

As far as Omarosa is concerned I think her actions were not staged. I think she has a huge ego and she had no intention of helping anyone out on any team because, lets face it she wasnt winning it. It was in her interest to lose because, then people would see what they were missing.

I was talking to someone tonight (who is knowledgeable) and they told me that she was bounced from post to post at the White House because she was impossible to work with. She didnt get along with anyone. This isnt some abberation, this is Omarosa.

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wander what DT will think if Kwami comes up with the balls to FIRE Omarosa - Now this could make good TV.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 5:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Are you kidding, the popcorn will be in the microwave for that one. I would pay to see that.

Webkitty
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07-24-2001

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 7:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Really. I was thinking last night when Kwami was saying he couldn't do anything about Omo. Why not? You can fire her! It almost seems as if she is setting him up to fail......if he does though, its his own fault for not wanting this job enough. Bill has a fire in his gut that Kwami does not. I don't care how laid back his style is, he has coasted thru this whole process, imo.

Maris, I can see Omo getting bounced around from post to post at the White House. I can't see any sane, even close to normal person being able to work with her.

I want Bill to win I have since the beginning.

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 9:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did you see Jay Leno?
In hs monologue, he asked if you saw Omarosa on Oprah. Apparently she claims someone called her the "n" word. What? nut-job?
(and Amy & Nick will be on tonight)

fyi - regarding Omarosa's work in the White House - it was mentioned in the news, and a few articles.
There are links to articles and blurbs on the Misc board.
She held 4 positions in 2 years.

Carlito
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03-26-2004

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 9:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have to agree with TexasDeb, it would be so pc correct for Kwame to tell Omorosa she's fired! I was so po'd when she lied to him and she wasn't straight when Troy first asked about her phone call.She's the type of employee that will only try and sabotage Kwame while being in his face with all that fake support.Unfortunately, in the real world of business there are a lot of Omorosa's and Amy's.
i would not have picked Omorosa in the first place because Kwame knew she was a drama queen and out for herself.Now that she is in an employee status i would fire her and that would place additional tasks on the rest of the team but it would improve their morale and improve their respect for Kwame.
I also watched the Oprah show and i totally believe Ereka and know feel that Omorosa is a liar and in need of serious mental health assistance.I also didn't understand why o sat with DT and oprah while Heidi and Ereka were in the audience.hmmmmmmm? I also think Oprah may have been fooled by omorosa regarding the use of the N word.Omo's "I'm so beyond that" attitude really pissed me off and was another tip off that she was a liar.
Now to change up a bit, i think Bill is also in for some surprises as well from Nick and Katrina especially. I picked up Nick's attitude and k's I'm on your team Nick...duhhhhh!!!!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 10:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Carlito, what you just said about Omarosa getting the preferential seating with Trump and Oprah pretty much says it all. Like I said before, she's his cash cow. She's the center of the drama and the love-to-hate character, and Trump knows to milk that for everything he can. She may have lost, but a few years from now, hers will be the one name everyone remembers from this show (even if the memory makes them groan).

Didn't you just love the way she kept saying she had moved on, as though Erika should just get over being slandered and sweep it under the rug? It always baffles me when someone does something like that and then acts like you're nursing a grudge if you demand an apology.

Maris, I agree that this group was a particularly disappointing selection of women. I've lived with other women and worked with other women, and we never treated each other the way these girls did (and I use girls intentionally). They all just seemed exceedingly immature.


Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, April 09, 2004 - 10:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I hate to say it but...........Kwame sat back and let Troy do most of the work in almost every task they were given. Troy is now fired because of his lack of schooling and control.
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Fast forward to this episode, all of the Kwame team are at dinner. The phone rings for Omarosa...when she gets back to the table does Kwame ask her what the call is about? NO he doesnt. Instead Troy starts 'bullying' Oma trying to demand information that is NOT his concern. I wouldnt have told him either. Does Kwame pick up on the interaction? No he is oblivious.
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A good manager is only as good as the team he or she hires. In this show the two finalists have been shackled with the previous contestants...I think I agree with someone else's idea that DT is going to see if either Bill or Kwame will have the Guts to do some "firing". LOL

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 1:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Someone said: "Why didn't they just call Jessica on her cell and say "where are you?"

That would be a good thought, but Jessica does not know how to use a cell phone yet.

Pirate
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06-20-2002

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 2:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe there are some kinks thrown in for Bill and Kwame just to see how they handle a "crisis". Maybe the test is not one of their so called employees deliberately messing up, but something behind the scenes. Like Jessica not appearing at the airport when they thought she would. You know Jessica and her dad both had to have been asked if they would be part of this show and to play along. They had to be warned ahead of time that everything might not go as smooth as it would if DT's people were in total charge. But on the other hand, I think DT's people know exactly where Jessica is and would take charge of her if Kwame and his team really messed up.

Maybe we'll see something happen in Bill's camp next week other than the goodie bag supplies being dumped in the office.

Just a thought.

Ocean_islands
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09-07-2000

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 5:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've just come to this show and did not see Omarossa in previous weeks, however it seems totally believable to me that she is as inept as she appears. She seems very flakey and I doubt that she is a 'plant' to create drama on the show. She'd have to be an excellent actress, because when at the dinner table she said she didn't want to speak about the phone call she received, it seemed she was genuinely embarrassed. Why she would be I don't know -- I don't know why she lied about it later, either.

It was too bad that Amy got trashed, however, she set herself up for it. Her answers did not have any substance and seemed to come out of a politically correct magazine article. If you look at the show again, when Trump asks her what she would do, she does not answer him. She only says to him, "Well I turn that back to you, Mr Trump, since it depends upon what kind of person you are looking for, blah blah blah". This is not a decisive or substantive person.

Kwame is in LaLa land and I don't know why he wouldn't take people to task for not performing, however from what I understand, that is his m.o. -- that can get you far, but not all the way.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 5:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I doubt that DT whispered in Oma's ear to misbehave to help the ratings. The show was filmed before he knew what the reaction would be.

Bronxie
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07-29-2003

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 7:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That's very true, Texa...but how many "do overs" were made, or even additional episodes filmed...then shown to his diversified staff, with reactions noted and discussed, then decisions made, all before any of this final show was aired? I can't believe DT or Burnett would allow a show to just unwind on it's own complelely unplanned.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think Burnett does do overs or additional episodes on Survivor. They let a guy fall into fire and not help.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 10:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm still wondering why people think DT would risk two major events by having someone purposefully screw things up. If these tasks are to see how well these two guys can manage a real world situation, then just let it unfold as it will -- screw-ups will happen naturally,particularly with the bunch they have helping them...

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am sure his regular staff is in control of the major part of these events....editing is also a factor

We dont know the time frame of 'Jessica lost'...could have only been a little bit and she could be with another of dt staff.

Also, I have a feeling Jess gets lost quite often
they should go ck the mall, she is prolly buying $1000 panties or $15,000 sheets