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Costacat
| Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 12:15 pm
On NBC's Web site, "personal reasons" was also cited for why Jason left. Maybe he just personally thought the "average Joe's" were so far below average and he didn't wanna be associated with the show anymore? (Of course, if it really was a family emergency, I totally feel for him and yes, I'd have left, too!) Thanks for sharing Creampuff. Just goes to prove that 99% of the folks on these "reality" shows really are wannabe actors! And Cr8ofdata? Your "average Joe" doesn't sound "average" to me at all. He sounds like a pretty phenomenal catch, and one with real social skills. Which, well, we can't say that for most of the guys on THIS show, now can we?
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Wilsonatmd
| Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 1:08 pm
Well, there's a mini season 3 coming soon.....sort of. http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|85717|1|,00.html 'Average Joe' Adam Gets Another Shot (Wednesday, January 14 10:53 AM) By Rick Porter LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - In the world of dating shows, Adam Mesh is the new Bob Guiney. Mesh, the likable New Yorker who was left behind at the end of the first "Average Joe," when ex-beauty queen Melana Scantlin chose hot-guy ringer Jason Peoples instead, is getting another shot at televised romance. NBC will put Mesh at the center of his own series, "Average Joe: Adam Returns," beginning Monday, March 15. Its premiere will follow quickly on the heels of the "Average Joe: Hawaii" finale. After the first "Average Joe" concluded, NBC was "inundated" with calls and e-mails from people who were rooting for Mesh, the network's entertainment chief, Jeff Zucker, told TV critics Wednesday (Jan. 14). Based on that response, NBC and "Average Joe" exec producers Stuart Krasnow and Andrew Glassman decided to create a four-part dating show with Mesh at its center. ABC did something similar last year with "Bachelorette" dumpee Bob Guiney, who became "The Bachelor" in the fall. The network isn't saying much else about "Adam Returns"; Zucker did allow that the women vying for Adam's attention on the show will be both "gorgeous" and "not gorgeous." Zucker also thinks a gender-reversed version of "Average Joe" -- "Plain Jane," perhaps? -- could work. "There's a tremendous amount of heart in these shows," he says. "They're not making fun of anyone ... so I think it could work the other way." He also says NBC is talking with Krasnow and Glassman about doing "another cycle that will turn the game."
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Jkm
| Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 1:37 pm
Did anyone catch the disclaimer at the end of the show -- all I caught before it was gone was the Larissa was paid for certain expenses... (bribed....?? he-he) didn't catch the rest
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Seamonkey
| Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 2:20 pm
I hope someone ties Adam down and shaves his face before this starts.. Will be interesting to see is he goes for his sweet but slobby counterparts or the hotties.
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Gina8642
| Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 2:40 pm
If Bob is any guide, he will go for the hotties and make out with as many woman as possible. Yuck!!! I thought Adam said he was seeing someone now? He's going to be just like Melena, just going for the fame (or paycheck) but not really interested any finding anyone special to share a future with. He'll just be looking for the most interesting of the bunch to spend a few weeks with. (Can I end any more sentances with a preposition? oh well...)
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Seamonkey
| Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 2:43 pm
Not to mention that the avalanche of calls came after people knew that Adam was wealthy.
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Azlen
| Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 4:20 pm
When the show with Adam was first being talked about, Adam was hesitant because he didn't want to pull a Bob, meaning be popular on one show and then completely blowing it when you are the center of the next show. So hopefully Adam learned his lesson from Bob and will behave much more appropriately.
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Gina8642
| Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 4:50 pm
I hope so, I really liked Adam. Never watched the original show that Bob was on and only bits and pieces of his suck face fest. Saw a lot of local Bob coverage however (I'm in SE Michigan where he lives). I hope Adam doesn't blow it like Bob!
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Sunshyne4u
| Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 1:21 am
I would love to see an AVERAGE JANE show but realistically, it would be even MORE painful to watch. Men live for fantasy and it is apparent that many of these guys seem to think they actually have a chance with Larissa. A good friend of mine was tall slim pretty and I was always amazed at the nonstop men of all sizes and shapes that would hit on her when we would go out.....lets face it, most guys will give it a try!! ** An Average Jane show wouldnt work. #1 - most guys wouldnt be able to even act gracious if they were out with what most would consider an unattractive woman. #2 - most average women have had years of being passed over by the good looking guys and this kind of competition would reopen many 'wounds'. #3 - the emotional upheaval would cause a very unpleasant tone in the show. #4 - Women are more likely to look past 'looks' and start liking a guy based on personality....Men don't. It is about looks and/ or a physical attribute (ie not very attractive but has a large chest so he will 'make do') ** OR maybe I'm wrong? Do you guys really think an AVERAGE JANE would be good TV?
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Seattlemom
| Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 7:18 am
Not me I think an average Jane would be way to painful to watch mainly because I think these average Joes arn't so average. Can you imagine (shudder) the pool they would pick woman from. My hubby of 25 yrs now was kinda rough looking redneck but had a beautiful soul. So I looked past the outside and have the most warm and loving person.They seem to pick the Extreme of what they call average.either I go to the wrong places or something but to me these are not a typical Look at us average people
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Crossfire
| Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 2:46 pm
I think an Average Jane show would do just fine at least on the level that we agree the experience of the Average Joe's was acceptable. Consider that for the purpose of having a successful TV program, they are not going to seek out a male contestant of the type you describe unless they actually want to spoof them up and make them feel bad as was I suspect the early intentions of the first Average Joe. And just for the record, I think guys should be given a little more credit as well.
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Mack
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 1:02 pm
Hard to tell how a "Average Jane" would work. I think, if probably managed/produced, it could be well done. If not, this could be extremely crude and hurtful. I certainly "worried" about that happening in the first AJ but it didn't. It's fairly obvious that the producers of the first AJ learned very quickly that they didn't have exactly the kind of reality "sit-com" on their hands that I think they expected.
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Missy2
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 4:47 pm
I would like to see and average joe / jane show where ALL THE contests are average! I don't know who said it but did anyone else think it was hilarious when they were on the helicopter and the guy looks over at her. His voice over says, she said she was a coffee drinker and her teeth are really white. I'm thinking she must use a lot of those crest whitening strips. heheh.
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Tobor7
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 10:10 pm
I watched the 1st show of the second series. I won't be watching this any more. It is too depressing and cruel. It should have been called "Total Humiliation." First, the guys don't even get to show up in limos. They arrive in this big white BUS. (Which adds an element of humiliation to it.) I give the girl credit for keeping her facial expressions in check. (not) So the people who were calling for a show with just regular people... HERE IT IS! If they cast bad personalities as well... then this is a bust, so I have to assume these guys have a better-than-most personality. But this is almost too painful to watch. The guys are so pathetic and you feel so bad for them... like nothing has ever gone right for them. Plus the editing and the footage are designed to support that issue. The only thing worse would have been if half of them had a stutter. I wonder... (long pause) if they could do one like this with a hot guy and 20 women all 60 to 100 pounds overweight, but VERY rich. Would anyone watch? Or would the female viewing army protest to loudly they would have no choice but to pull it early. (Actually no female network executive would green-light a show like this.) If you haven't see cruelty like this... it is worth a watch. But not for me.
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Watching2
| Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 12:31 am
Didn't anyone watch this one tonite?
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Starshine40
| Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 12:38 am
I watched it tonight! I must say so far I have been more impressed with Larissa than I was with Melana. I do believe that Larissa has been more into getting to know the guys, maybe not any lasting love interest there (hard to say this early) but she seems a nicer person. I really hate the fact that they bring in the "buff" guys (who are so conceited) and the "average joe's" feel pretty humiliated (at first anyway). Hopefully some of the Joe's will prove to be really nice guys and the "hunks" will all be jerks!
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Watching2
| Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 1:17 am
Starshine, I agree with all you've said. It was nice to see Larissa moved to tears about having to elminate any of the guys tonight. I think we can bet on a good deal of these guys being jerks, at least from the comments they aired tonight. I couldn't help but think as I was watching tho', they they had done some "creative editing." Some of the guys seemed to be somewhat nice when they first spoke and then later when they continued with soundbites, they all had snarky things to say. you could almost see where they could have taken things out of context. (Like last season when the guy was crying about his son and they made it look like he was crying about Melana!) Plus, I'm sure they've been told to play up the "snark factor!" It looks like things getting really heated and it was interesting to see one of the buff guys in tears that he couldn't stand what was going on at some point in the future. So far, I like that guy Mike the best. I think he's pretty attractive and while I know how someone's strong faith conviction can be a turnoff if you don't feel the same, hearing a bit of his history (mentioning he was once a drug addict) can explain why he may have so many tatoos - although I know Christians have tatoos too...it's just his seem extreme, and it very much could explain why he was so out there with his devotion. I'm glad she gave him another chance. I thought Melana was really nice in her concern for the chef (blanking on his name at the moment!) regarding him making it through the race, his being uncomfortable regarding sweating and getting in the hot tub and also giving him just about every opportunity to kiss her if he would have tried. I don't think it's just shallow regarding his weight. I need to lose a great deal of weight and the biggest benefit would be my health. We all know the strain put on the heart and the secondary conditions which can follow. That being said, see the preview of him in the gym trying to climb the rope is terrible. I hurt for him. Why do they have to put these guys through that kind of physical thing? Oh..and could you believe David not being able to swim OR ride a bike and then flopping around in that lifejacket to swim the course?!! He's a bit out of touch if he really thinks they have a connection. I have to be honest - she has a lot more tolerance than I ever would have had. I would have sent him packing the first night. He's just too ridiculous for me... but then again, we know he IS an actor!!! Looks like he makes a living from playing geeks. No wonder he doesn't do anything about his looks!!
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Danzdol
| Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 6:35 am
I watched last night. I don't understand why the new guys have to act like such jackasses. Just because you look good does not mean you have to be a jerk. I liked the first buff guy and the one with the huge dimples (although I might change my mind next week when I see him acting cruel like they showed in the previews) Of the first batch of guys I like the one that was shown in the previews saying (Who're you calling fat!" I con't know his name. and the bald one IF and only IF he would please shave that ridiculous hair scribble decor on his face.
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Lori
| Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 9:11 am
I agree Danzdol. The "hunks" are too full of themselves. Who wants something who looks good but acts like a conceited a$$? I'm hoping this doesn't get too cruel!
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Babyjaxmom
| Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 9:27 am
Guess this show's lost a lot of viewers this time around. I have to say, I think the "buff" guys were coached to be jerks. Most guys are smart enough to at least try to appear nice when they know they're being filmed. I thought the big smile on Larissa's face when the "hunks" were filing through the door was very telling. It was like, "Now THIS is what I came here for!" Can't say I blame her. Although some of the "Average Joe's" seem to have potential, most of them are not actually average but more geeky. Especially that David! And now that he's all over her, saying he's falling in love and all that, she's got to eliminate him just to save him from getting hurt any worse. He's scaring me!
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Bob2112
| Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 9:54 am
Did anyone else notice the shots of Tony during the last 5 minutes while "the hunks" were coming in? Every other shot of him was reversed so his face art kept switching sides. After I noticed it I had to rewind and it was switched almost every time they went back to him.
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Happymom
| Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 10:26 am
I missed this last night, the tv guide I looked at online showed a 3 hour fear factor! (I think it was aol tv guide.) Anyway, thanks for the info. in the previous posts, and thanks in advance to any who will post later about last nights show. NBC doesn't have info. on last nights show up yet.
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Yuhuru
| Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 10:26 am
Bob2112, Thank you for you post! I thought I was losing it. His face art did keep switching sides. This show is a trip. These hunky guys are too much. The next show is going to be interesting.
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Lilfair
| Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 10:28 am
Bob, I noticed that too...like several slaps to his face. Why oh why do I watch this show. I'm a reality show junky but this show bothers me.
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Realfan
| Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 10:45 am
The editors stretch this show out a little too much. I like Larissa OK, but sometimes when she's talking to the guys (and about them) it sounds almost patronizing, like these are "special" guys who you have treat extra special because, you know, they have such awful handicaps. Of course, that's how the guys act, too, like they're so grateful for the least crumb of attention from her, and reading big significance into silly things like when she cheers them on at the race. Why are they making them do physical competitions, especially agaisnt the hunks? How about a few brain games? Of course, there's no guarantee these AJs would do any better. Now, to really test this prinicple, it would make better sense of the AJs were all career-oriented up and comers, and the hunks were lazy bums with dim-bulb brains.
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