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Archive through December 09, 2003

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Bbrock

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's so sad. So so shallow. :( And next seasons girl seems even more shallow. :( I may have to step away from the next installment.

Bastable

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Who wants to watch Average Joe 2 if these beauty queens just want to date Sears catalog models? We already know the ending: You can't date outside your class.

Boy, did the producers ruin this show with their twist.

Therlin

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
And by the looks of it, the new girl in JA2 is even shallower.

Eliz87

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, I think if she was going to be shallow, she should've chosen Mike. He was so much more cute IMO.

I honestly don't feel she made a mistake in not choosing Adam, though. He just didn't seem on her level personality-wise, and he comes off as a just a little immature IMO.

Snoopsmom

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think she made the right choice, for her, at this time. On the home and overnight dates she seemed impressed with Adam and all he had to offer her, but seemed comfortable and herself with Jason. Also, she's young...I think back to when I was that age, the pretty boy, or the bad boy always had more appeal than the stable guy. I don't think stability, security, etc. are as important when someone is in their 20's. Will the relationship with Jason last? Who knows. But, IMO, I totally understand where her decision came from and at least from the editing, the feelings looked more sincere with Jason.
In the long run, Adam is better off. He'll find someone who wants him, for him, in spite of what he can offer or buy. He seemed to be trying too hard with her tonight, and may never have felt secure in the relationship.

Scorpiomoon

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought it was freakin' tacky that they (supposedly) had the bus sitting there with Adam watching as M and J made out by the plane before bordering it and then the plane (supposedly) leaving first with the bus leaving last.

She did Adam a favor. I hope he finds someone truly amazing.

The previews for the AJ2 look hysterical! Seeing the chick getting pissed at the producers and then tearing up over having to tell guys they have to go home...hahaha. Can't wait to see that!

Crossfire

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wish I was more surprised than I am, but I would have been skeptical no matter how she picked. I admit I never really gave her much of a chance, I guess thats just a flaw of my own, but its a learned response.

On the other hand, by my estimate, all the true average joes were booted long ago so the damage is minimal.

Snoopsmom

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh, and I do wish Adam had shaved for tonight! You can be average, but still look well kept. Maybe it was the producer's call, but Jason in a suit, all prettied up just looked like tonight was more important to him than Adam in his rumpled clothing and unshaven face.

Jami

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I HATED THAT!!!

Yellek

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Am I the only one who thought the editing still slanted towards her choosing Adam right up until the end? I did NOT see her enjoy herself with Jason on those dates.

Zgoodgirl

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am just sick about this.
I agree Yellek, I thought for sure she was going to pick Adam. Sigh...don't want to talk about it anymore.

Have to go find Adam and marry him myself.

Zami

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"Does Jason ever have any facial expressions? Even when he wins, even when vapid beauty prevails over husbandworthiness, he's flatfaced as a Botox addict."

Bastable, that was too funny. I agree.

Yellek, her "diamond in the ruff" remark made me think she was going to pick Adam as well. I'm not even sure what to think right now. Especially after Jason tried to ply her with liquor, and she was very upset about that - then she's all sucking face with him by the evening. I just don't know. It actually makes me a bit sad that it came down to supposedly looks vs. money. And asking Jason, "you can get a date any other way, why this way?" I'm like, "uh, so could Adam."

Whatever.

Clutterfree

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Two hours was too long; I was getting way bored--especially when Jason was on. And then to learn the ending; way disappointed, deflated. Only positive thing is that I can't believe Adam won't actually find someone better for him out of this. But I still was hoping for a warm happy ending where looks didn't triumph over heart and soul.

PS really appreciated the verbatim article on Adam on the previous archive page...this board is great!

Clutterfree

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
PPS Don't think I'll watch the next one; too disappointed in this.

Kappy

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Don't think I'll bother to watch in half in hour. It's not that great of a show to begin with and then to pick the one kid who does what in life? Pack grocery bags? Oops, no - he's a waiter. Never thought she was too serious about who to pick to begin with once she saw in the first episode what choices the producers had given her.

But I do agree that Adam is better off for not having been picked and maybe that's why he's the one smiling with Matt Lauer

Crossfire

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have to agree, two hours was really pushing it for me. I could see 1:30 maybe, but by the end of the first hour, I was ready for the wrap up.

Its too bad for Adam though, he was by far doing a better job of expressing his emotions verbally, showing some depth, and being honest about it all.

I'll probably watch a couple of the first episodes of the next one, don't know about the whole thing though.

Crossfire

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 10:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
These shows creep me out though. I don't know how the people do it either as one of the many, or the single.

I couldn't stand by and 'fall in love' with someone who was dating a dozen other guys, and if I was the single, once I made a connection with one (if thats even possible with the cameras around), I'd never be able to even look at the others without being overwhelmed with guilt. I am just too loyal for these things.

Then if I was unfortunate enough to make it to the end, I would be repulsed by the whole 'tough decision' act at the end. If it's a tough decision then I don't want any part of it.

Gina8642

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 11:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL - I actually enjoyed the two hours, and for once in my life I didn't watch the end first because I was sooo sure she'd pick Adam. LOL

I am disappointed that she didn't pick Adam. I liked him more every minute. But, I have add very big 'BUT' to my disappointment.

BUT - as I watched the two home visits and the two 'over night' dates it was EXTREMELY obvious that she felt more comfortable around Jason. She seemed to really love his home and his closeness to his parents. Physically she'd stand closer to him, laugh easier, look more comfortable. With Adam, she seemed to need to force the kisses. When she did kiss Adam the both leaned in from far away without their bodies touching, like two 15 year olds during their first kiss. It just didn't seem as natural as with Jason. It seemed like the producers told her "make sure you kiss Adam too, we need some romantic moments to show with him also". Conversation seemed more stilted and forced. I think there was more to their disagreement in the Limo or he wouldn't have called it a 'fight' in the poem later. Just environmentally-wise (if that's a phrase) She just seemed more at home on the horse, or hanging with the dogs than she did in the chrome and leather digs in NYC.

So anyway, I think Melena made the right choice for Melena and that's really all I could ask for.

Just 'cause I'd pick Adam, doesn't mean she has to, different strokes for different folks. And, I don't think she's shallow. It's more shallow to go for the money with a guy you don't like as much, than go with the poor guy that you really like, but can't wine and dine you - or fill your room with pink flowers - but can take you for a great walk in the park with his dogs.

Gina8642

Monday, December 08, 2003 - 11:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
And - what about that preview??!!??

This new chick on face value didn't seem to have the likability factor that Melena has. I wondered if she was the back-up waiting in the wings that first night that the producers mentioned? (Remeber they were ready in case Melena walked to just plug another woman into her spot.) I also wondered if this will be a dud like Joe Millionaire 2? Guess we'll see...

Catfat

Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 12:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yet, I still keep asking, WHY didn't Adam shave and wear some nice clothes? I mean, he was on TV, had a chance to marry a really nice lady, and it was as if he couldn't even bother to spruce himself up a bit.
At the very least, he could have shaved every day. Maybe some of these Average Joe guys are doomed to stay that way because they just don't get it that some of the so-called hunks looked really nice because they took the time and trouble to look neat and clean and to stand up straight.
All in all, I am glad Melana chose Jason because, as Gina said, I think he was right for her. They looked like a better match physically.

Seamonkey

Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 1:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yeah, as the article described Adam.. desperately in need of a shave, but he's obvioiusly enamoured of that look and must have one of those shavers that maintains that look..

Even IF he couldn't part with the stubble, it certainly wouldn't have killed him to put on a suit.

But the one thing she said was that Adam was basically more evolved and was ahead of Jason and Melana in terms of readiness to settle down or some such.. so, she honestly went for the person who was more at the same place she is.

So she went shallow, but that is what she is ready for. Better, IMO, than choosing the guy the world wants her to choose and then hurting him far worse later on.

I had expected it to go the other way.

Gingerluv

Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 1:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm devastated! Not that Jason doesn't seem like a nice guy. He's the one you'd want to date while in high school, but she threw away the keeper when she got rid of Adam. Funny, when I heard her say "diamond in the rough," that's when I thought, oh no, she's picking Jason! She seemed to like his "potential." *big sigh* I guess I had more of a crush on Adam than she did. I was rooting for him from the final eight on. First my heart is broken when Rupert is kicked off the island and now this with Adam. :-(

I got so hooked on this show, I'll watch the next one for sure!

Wendo

Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 2:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
*sniff*

You're so right, Adam is a keeper for sure. And, I don't think he'll have any problems finding that special someone on this show. He was honest, genuine, and kind during the show. I think that will appeal to many women.

I, too, think Malena picked the person she thought she was on the same level with; even though it wasn't Adam. I don't think she ready for that intense relationship. And, their body language together did seem more intimate. (I'm sure we'll be able to tell more during their appearance on the Today show.)

But, I do think Jason offered her, as she said, the "total package". By that, I mean, again as she said, she's "physically attracted" to Jason. I think part of that does include his looks, his body, and the like.

You almost have to wonder how different things would've been had there been no twist at all. But, what's meant to be is meant to be I suppose. *sigh* Still feel bad for Adam. But, man, he took it really well. Really well. I'm so impressed with him.

I do agree, though, that having Adam dress up a bit more would've been nice. I can't tell if he chose to wear what he did? Or if he was prodded by the producers to look the part of the Average Joe.

(I have to say one additional thing. LOL! Part of me didn't want her to pick him because I thought, hey, if she doesn't, he'll still be on the market! LOL!)

On to version 2! Dang, those previews. Whoa. Interesting woman and interesting group of guys. Unless it becomes horrible, I'll watch it to the end.

Crossfire, I can't say these shows necessarily creep me out; however, at times I do feel extremely uncomfortable watching them when certain things happen. It really is such an odd situation.

Sunshyne4u

Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 2:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The scary thing is that Adam was dressed "cool" for the style around two years ago! The unshaven look WAS really in then. I agree with the others who talked about melena staying with her "usual" type of guy. She was always so welldressed and groomed. Adam always looked like he just rolled out of bed into some crumpled clothes off the floor. I really thought she was going to pick Adam UNTIL I watched this finale. When a Drunk Adam set fire to the present I was horrified. Candles and drunks dont mix! and that was proof. Hope people watching this close call remember it this Christmas season.
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Jason: Sweet sloe-eyed prettyboy with a wellspoken polite manner. Well groomed and relaxed type of personality. Student who lives at home. Good potential for growth.
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Adam: Goofy, kind of below average looking,easily flustered and intense sometimes. Poorly groomed and has awkward "jokey" kind of conversation with little need for interaction other than to laugh at his jokes. Flirts and acts like someone who has the emotional level of grade 8. Has TONS of money and is a successful businessman.
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THE CHOICE........Poor guy with looks
........Rich guy without classic looks

WINNER would have to be the POOR guy. To choose the RICH guy would look MORE SHALLOW in our society!!

Ithink Adam BLEW it when he went overboard in NYC. I would have never guessed his success by looking at his crappy apartment. Other than the WAY too big Black leather couches, everything else looked like college dorm furniture. WHY!!?? Would a millionaire have to share his apt?

Clutterfree

Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 4:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK, I have an idea! We'd like to see more of Adam, right? And he lives in New York City, where the Fab 5 of Queer Eye do their make-over work! Why not combine reality shows (both are even NBC creations, too!)and have the Fab 5 do a makeover of Adam, and even find him a new girl to date! What do you think? I think it would be great fun!