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Jasper
| Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 1:08 pm
John's overreaction to the kiss was a little bizarre. He is a cutie imo as well but that reaction was rather off putting. Brad seems a little high on himself and Gerry seems very nice. The interchanges between Zach and Malina - yuck, the whole conversation was pretty revealing about what type of people they may be, obviously I'm attracted to you back and forth like she obviously would not sink to being attracted to the others. (She is pretty rude to these guys walking away etc, and that poor guy David she kept ignoring while talking about his pretty eyes) I am also put off by Tareq, he is so clinical in his manner and how he speaks. There is absolutely no warmth to this guy at all from what we have seen so far. Adam seems like a fun,big dumb lug, I loved the gum and mint line. Poor Dennis but considering his profession who's to know what was real and what was all an act. Maybe he's the twist, brought back all dapper and combed. If the twist is bringing in hunky guys I won't watch anymore as that will just be too cruel.
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Daydreamer
| Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 2:28 pm
Wait - so Dennis is an actor? I guess that means he was just playing a role?
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Awareinva
| Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 2:45 pm
OMG, that last picture doesn't look anything like the nerdy little accountant we saw on the show. What a set up!!! I'll give it to the guy... he can act!! Of course none of these people can actually be going on tv to find love, so it must be like most shows, the publicity. Sigh.... another illusion dashed! 
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Puttergirl
| Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 4:01 pm
This explains why we're not seeing Kathy Griffin much. If you want to read the whole article: Click Here 'Average Joe' producers changed the show's tone due to the guys' "depth of feeling". In an interview with Zap2It.com, Average Joe's producers explained that after witnessing the "depth of feeling" that existed among the show's average joes, they felt compelled to change the tone of the show -- including the manner in which series host Kathy Griffin interacted with the cast. ... Kathy Griffin as series host, clearly satire and sarcastic humor was intended to feature a prominent role in the series. But based on the comments of the show's executive producer, it appears that somewhere along the line the focus of the program shifted from laughing at the contestants, to apparently laughing with them. "I think what really surprised me the most was how emotional this was for the guys, how raw this was for them, how very real this was," executive producer Stuart Krasnow told Zap2It. "I think they went through a tremendous emotional roller coaster and I just thought the guys would sortta laugh the whole things through. They took a lot of things to heart. They even cried." So after witnessing men's unexpectedly candid and sincere displays, the producers opted to change the tone of the series slightly -- a decision that included putting a bit of a muzzle on the normally scathing and sardonic Griffin, who's noticeably affable and benign appearance in the series is in sharp contrast to her previous reality television appearance on ABC's Celebrity Mole Hawaii. "It's straighter than I would like, but you know what, the thing is the show's not about me," Griffin told Zap2It. "Just know that when I'm watching it, I'm saying hilarious things in my head or you can just call me on Monday night and I'll tell you. Of course you know I'm just thinking completely vicious one-liners in my head constantly."
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Puttergirl
| Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 4:06 pm
Oh, btw, I think Zach is an actor hired to "play" the jerk.
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Cancunkid
| Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 4:07 pm
Tareq is also an actor. Although on his resume he does hold a PhD in computer science. My thought is the twist will be Dennis shows back up looking anything but nerdy! LOL I think bringing in models or good looking guys is too obvious but bringing Dennis back looking hot now there is a twist!
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Texannie
| Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 4:12 pm
Thanks for the article, Puttergirl. I wondered why her role had been reduced.
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Puttergirl
| Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 4:21 pm
I have 2 ideas on the twist that I used in my POLL game. I think either each guy gets a makeover so they look really good, or they are offered money to give up their chance at her. What would be really funny would be if some of them take it and they bring back some of they guys she sent home.
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Meme9
| Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 5:14 pm
A good twist would be to bring in "average jane's", the same number of "average jane's" to "average joe's"! Ok, ok, I'm not done... And then, the best would be the "average joe's" get to pick who they end up with. I know I'm sick. hehe Oh and Joe's exit....just like I thought it would be!
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Lee7720
| Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 6:09 pm
With all those guys being Actors...makes you think of "Joe Schmoe"....hm-m-m ???
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Rslover
| Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 9:14 am
Tareq made a comment that he didn't think Melana got some of his jokes, so obviously, he was trying to be funny with the broccoli question (which is what I thought). My sister's Indian boyfriend is also very smart, (and very good to her) also comes out with some strange questions and comments at times. Maybe it's a cultural thing. I am very surprised to learn that he is an actor and Dennis too. Not too surprised if Zach is an actor. I knew she would eliminate the obviously uglier and very heavy ones first.
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Babyjaxmom
| Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 9:40 am
Rslover, I was also thinking that Tareq's "dry" sense of humor is a cultural thing. I've known a couple of East Indian guys, and they do tend to be a little more reserved, but very warm-hearted and good people. I can't say that I blame Melana for eliminating the heavier guys. She's very physically fit and active. What would she have in common with some poor schlub who doesn't care enough to take care of himself? A little harsh maybe, but really what interests would they have in common? Some of those guys were pretty crude, too. Who was the one getting booze poured into his mouth while hanging out in the pool? Ewww! As far as the contestants being paid, isn't it standard practice on reality shows to give participants a daily "stipend" to cover the expense of being away from their jobs while they're on the show? I would be surprised if they didn't get paid.
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Yankee_In_Ca
| Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 12:48 pm
Tareq's bio says his hometown is in Zimbabwe.
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Prisonerno6
| Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 1:21 pm
Tareq is an actor, too. http://www.firstinterview-themovie.com/pages/actorbio.html (scroll part way down...)
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Texannie
| Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 1:32 pm
He does seem obsessed with brocolli, doesn't he? LOL
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Realfan
| Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 3:33 pm
Tareq may have a hometown in Africa, but if he's not of East Indian descent, I'll eat my keyboard. ITA about the fat guy who got booted who said the smarmy comment on the first show. Glad he's gone. Huge attitude problem. I also agree with Babyjax--what would an athletic dancer have in common with such huge, out-of-shape guys? That said, I think she was rude, for all the reasons already cited. And if this cheerleader type proves the stereotype by going for the loud-mouthed bully (Zack), all I can say is, EGAD! Talk about shallow. Does Tareq have a web site, too? I like him. I'm annoyed how fast Dennis got the boot. I'd love for him to come back all suave and debonair. ETA: Oops, cross post, thanks for the web site link for Tareq!
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Gina8642
| Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 4:18 pm
I didn't think Tareq was the same guy from the link - but both the show's NBC homepage and this actor's bio link show his home as Zimbabwe - so he must be from Africa. I remember hearing that there are LOTS of people from India in Africa - so I think you're right that he's indian - at least in enthnicity. I thought his accent was indian too. I grew up in a town and a neighborhood with tons of people from india, so I think I recognize it. But who knows? This must be a busy boy to already be working on his phD and have time to act. I'm not suprised so many of these 'average joes' are really actors. How will they get anyone to show up for try-outs for an unknown show unless you let actors in? A show like Survivor can get an interesting cross-section of non-actors based on its noteriety - but this show? They needed actors.
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Puttergirl
| Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 8:00 pm
Maybe the big lie is that Tareq isn't really working on his PhD and really is a high school drop out/actor. Ooops, wrong show... that's Survivor!
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Watching2
| Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 10:28 pm
ROFL Puttergirl!
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Rslover
| Monday, November 17, 2003 - 12:14 pm
Tareq is from my neighborhood. Here is an article from the local paper. The first time they wrote about him there was a photo. Queens ‘Joe’ A Survivor He’s not only an average joe – he’s also a survivor. Queens’ own reality show star, Tareq Kabir, was spared from elimination in the second installment of the NBC show “Average Joe,” which aired on Nov. 10. “It’s the simplicity of your complexity that’s the catalyst of my infatuation,” Kabir said while on a date with Melana – the show’s central cast-member who is a former NFL cheerleader and beauty queen searching for a soulmate. Kabir’s date went well enough to keep him on the show, but the Queensite was not the recipient of a goodnight kiss – unlike some of his competitors on the show that has been described as “The Bachelorette” with a twist. Kabir, a resident of Kew Gardens for the last five years, is a 22-year-old professor of computer science at the City University of New York’s Hunter College. Queens viewers will have to stay tuned to find out what happens next. “Average Joe” airs on Mondays at 9 p.m. on NBC Channel 4.
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Sampatsfan
| Monday, November 17, 2003 - 5:49 pm
Can't wait for the show tonight. Just checking to see if anyone was around. Tonight is the twist I think and I'm pretty sure that we are all correct in assuming that they are bringing a hunk(s) in to throw a wrench in the works. I hope not, but if so I hope she doesn't just jump into the hot guy's arms. It sure would say a lot about her if she continued to fall for an average joe.
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Eliz87
| Monday, November 17, 2003 - 9:08 pm
On the first show when they were giving Tareq's bio, they listed his goals as winning an Oscar AND a Nobel Prize, so it doesn't seem that they're keeping it a secret that he's an actor.
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Eliz87
| Monday, November 17, 2003 - 9:17 pm
Oh MAN....Tareq's been ousted.
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Ladybug007
| Monday, November 17, 2003 - 9:20 pm
That was a great ending...ha ha
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Sampatsfan
| Monday, November 17, 2003 - 9:20 pm
Mean, mean, mean! But we all knew it! I knew we would be seeing that hunk from the first episode again. Whew! He sure is gorgeous. I wonder if he has a personality to match.
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