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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 2:25 pm
Sunshyne4u - MANY gay men do not exhibit effeminate mannerisms at all! Just assuming that the producers are hiding the gay mens' effeminate mannerisms is assuming that those gay man possess effeminate mannerisms in the first place! Trust me, not all of us have limp wrists! For many gay men, the only time they "act straight" is when (or if) they are flirting with a woman....or when they tell co-workers and family members that they just "haven't met the right girl yet" to explain why they aren't married. Straightness is not tied to masculinity....it is only directly tied to the gender of the person the man in question is emotionally and physically attracted to. Hey....Prince Charles and Eddie Izzard are str8....and Rock Hudson was gay, just like Dan Butler (who plays "Bulldog" on "Frasier") right? Stereotypes are simply the most visible tip of the iceberg.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 3:40 pm
Sanfranjoshfan, thanks for bringing up Rock Hudson. I was going to do it myself. Now there was a man who seemed to be "stereotypically straight" and even married a woman at one point in his life in order to hide his true orientation. What a shocker his coming out was to a lot of people! He was the epitome of movie masculinity for years. Wonder how different his life would be were he alive today? Oh, and does anyone else think the girl (sorry, can't remember her name!) looks like Jennifer Love Hewitt?
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 6:55 pm
Totally OT, but Rock Hudson's ex-wife was on Larry King last night. She said he was a wonderful lover and she never knew he was gay during their marriage. She said he wanted about 6 kids, but she was unable to conceive during their marriage.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, March 22, 2004 - 3:58 pm
SANFRAN - it seems my post was not as clear as it should have been. This is hardly good english!! "some of the really effeminate mannerism guys are not being shown" IT SHOULD read...some of the guys may be exhibiting really effeminate mannerisms which are not being shown. ** I have personal experience with both the limpwristed and "cant tell" category. I do object to the term limpwristed though. It is kind of a 'labelling' term. Sorry, if my miswording browned anyone else off. One guy I know is so feminine in appearance I wonder about genetics. His skin is so soft, just has peach fuzz instead of beard...he doesnt have wide shoulders. His bone structure of face is even what society would call feminine. Big eyes, small chin delicate bone structure. This guy could dress up as a woman and no one would be able to tell the diff. Everyone around him knew Rock Hudson was eccentric when he was a star. He used to hang around with known gays as well as Glamour women. Larry King had Rock Hudson's exwife on for an interview. She was very clear that although he was good to her that something was missing. If I recall correctly they were only married for 2 yrs. He was described as being very childlike and always looking for approval. Rock Hudson liked to Ballet dance in the nude, raising eyebrows among friends and family. His eccentricity was really obvious but of course, he hid it well infront of the media. Many of the old time "manly" movie stars were gay. My mind has just gone blank but the guy who used to play the Swashbuckling hero in a bunch of movies was extremely gay. The very 'beautiful handsome' men of that era in movies are now known to be bisexual or gay. Rock Hudson was Beautiful more than manly in my opinion. .....and ACTUALLY now I think about Luciano and his beauty....Hmmmmmm }}
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, March 22, 2004 - 4:29 pm
Olivier's secret temptation Tuesday September 19, 2000 The Guardian Laurence Olivier's personal papers have been released for the first time and they reveal the great thespian's homosexual temptation, especially his attraction towards his old buddy, the matinee idol Douglas Fairbanks Jr. According to reports at IMDB, the Olivier archives include correspondence from Fairbanks, which includes pornographic drawings of a well-endowed man, and a letter apparently apologising for a snubbed sexual advance. Olivier's letters also describe the troubles the eminent Shakespearean had with his unbalanced second wife Vivien Leigh, she of Gone with the Wind fame. ** I found this during a search I did. Douglas Fairbanks Jr was a the swashbuckling hero I mentioned in the above post. imbd has got gorgeous pics of these guys when they were young. WOW handsome
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 3:22 pm
Sunshyne, were you thinking of Errol Flynn, he did alot of pirate roles and was reportedly gay. Sorry if this is OT.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 8:14 pm
oh yeah, Errol FLynn was gay too....I forgot. There was another gorgeous man!!
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Madelane
Member
08-20-2001
| Friday, March 26, 2004 - 7:40 pm
Well, another episode. This show is so very strange. Why don't any of these guys actually like Jackie? She seems cute enough. I mean the straight guys, that is. Lee said all the guys would take the money over her and I think he's telling the truth. I think Lee is straight. Whistler is kind of fun.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, March 26, 2004 - 10:44 pm
So what happened at the beginning of the show? Who left, and why? I was on the phone.
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Madelane
Member
08-20-2001
| Friday, March 26, 2004 - 11:04 pm
Eddie, and they never said nor even hinted why. But they did say that he was gay.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, March 26, 2004 - 11:45 pm
The hostess did say something to the effect of things just got too overwhelming for Eddie. I'm sure it was after all that crap Brad & Ryan played on him when Brad got him drunk, and then Ryan took advantage of him being drunk to "out him." How pathetic. My take on all the guys being in it for the money is, they've made this into a game instead of a real dating show. I can't remember, but they might have mentioned it only being something like a 3wk period they're all together. After 3wks, I'm sure I'd want the money, too! It would be a bonus if you connected with the person you chose, too! One thing I noticed tonight is how little of the interactions they show us with the guys. They show a lot in clips like we're going to see it, but then we don't! They just show us the ridiculous "games" and "swing dates." Could anything be more lame? LOL I heard Jackie mention how she and one of the guys had spent a long time together the night before, and they showed nothing of it on the actual show. At least they showed a bit more interaction tonight, with the guy spending the night in her tent, but there's a lot more they could be showing so we could see how they are interacting w/one another.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, March 26, 2004 - 11:49 pm
Oh, do you think they're trying to give us some clues now as to who is gay? They mentioned Bradley making a "million dollar" mistake, and then one of the other guys said that Chris knows that Jackie knows he is gay and is just keeping him for comic relief. It could be just a trick with editing *oh my! lol* but it wasn't like the usual ones of.. "I think.....blah blah....." This is really stupid, but the only reason I think Chris might be gay is because he reminds me of one of my best gay friends. Although one of my other gay friends has a str8 twin brother.
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Fabnsab
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 3:45 am
My new theory is that most of the guys are gay. Whenever someone talks about the money, I assume they are gay and alot of these guys talk only about money and not about Jackie. The straight ones signed up for a dating show with no money involved whereas the gay guys knew this was a competition for money. I firmly believe that the ones who say they're there for the money are the gay ones. I came to this discovery when Chad said he was out for the money. I knew he was gay then. The end proved me right. I believe wholeheartedly that Banks is straight and he hasn't mentioned money once. Yes, i am sure the straight ones would like to win it but its not foremost in their thoughts because they came for Jackie. For Sharif to mention the prize in his interview while he and Jackie seem to be hitting it off screams gay to me. What do you guys think? BTW, didnt I say Eddie was gay week one because he commented on her looking like Sarah Jessica Parker(style wise) and that means he watches SATC?? LOL...i think that post was moved to the spoiler thread but I SO called that one!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 10:04 am
Fab- I don't have HBO and have never seen so much as one episode of Sex In the City (I think you meant SITC) and yet I totally know who Sarah Jessica Parker is and what she looks like.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 12:29 pm
Actually, it's SATC....Sex AND the City: http://www.hbo.com/city/?ntrack_para1=leftnav_category0_show4 As for the eye-on-the-prize being evidence that reveals the gay guys....the str8 ones are also vying for money...a half million bucks, which is nothing to sneeze at. Not all those str8 guys will have a desire and/or connection with the girl (sometimes the spark just isn't there)....but you can bet that ALL of them will have a desire for that half a million bucks! Just because the str8 players may have originally shown up for a regular dating show, it doesn't mean their priorities couldn't change AFTER they found out about the prize. It's like a guy being set up on a blind date that he is hoping will work out...but when they meet, he finds no immediate connection....but then he discovers that she is loaded and suddenly he is head over heels for her. That's all it takes to tip the scales of desire for some folks (gay or str8, male or female). Just imagine if they had all been told about the cash prize in "For Love or Money" or "Joe Millionaire" shortly after arriving at the mansions in those shows.....the dynamics and motives of the contestants would have been a LOT different for many of them.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 2:19 pm
Ooops! (Told ya I never saw that show!)
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 2:22 pm
Julieboo - I watched the entire series and I never realized it was "and" rather than "in" until I heard an entertainment news show anchor correct someone that was using the wrong word....and that was during the final season! LOL
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 6:18 pm
Thanks San Fran, makes me feel like a little bit less of a dork!
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 10:19 pm
I couldn't never keep it straight whether it was "in" or "and" even when I knew it had been brought up that people were using the wrong word. I only saw it a few times, since HBO came in fuzzy for a while and then when we had our line fixed it stopped. Ooops..was I stealing cable service?! I don't think so... the picture was too crappy to consider it stealing. LOL 
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Fabnsab
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 1:33 am
It wasnt that Eddie said that Jackie resembled Sarah Jessica Parker, he was more commenting on her dress being so SATC type. Thats why I immediately thought he was gay. Not many straight men notice the clothes on that show, if they watch at all. They probably notice the lack of clothing more than anything.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 6:24 pm
Good point, Fabnsab! I agree that just because a guy is in it for the money doesn't make him gay. There were a few girls (ie. Erin, the winner) on For Love or Money who were just there for the money (the guy was no prize!), and as far as I know, none of them was gay. Jackie is pretty, but they don't seem to be really getting to know her at all. And doesn't anybody else think she looks like Jennifer Love Hewitt? Can't you just picture her with tears in her eyes and saying, "Bailey, I just need to know if you're gay or straight?" And I just have one question about Banks: how come he can't stand hair on his legs but on his face it's okay? Ewwww! I'm so over that scruffy look!!!
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, March 29, 2004 - 3:18 pm
I wonder if they were a little scared of the emotional fallout of Boy Meets Boy and opted to make this more of a game show than a dating show. Jackie seems to be acting as if her role in the game is to work out who's straight and who's gay. and is completely ignoring any potential 'love connection'. Most of (if not all) the men are treating this as a way to get half/whole million dollars, and don't seem interested in Jackie at all. Maybe she just wasn't a good choice of bachelorette, or maybe they intended it to go like this all along, to avoid criticism if she did fall for a gay guy.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Monday, March 29, 2004 - 3:47 pm
Kitt, I agree.. she seems obsessed with "finding out" and frankly at this point, I'm rooting for a gay guy to fool her and take the money.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 1:23 pm
Well this show has suffered the greatest insult a reality show can have...Fox has pulled it from the schedule due to low ratings. It might return in the summer to burn off the remaining eps.
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Theowl
Member
09-28-2000
| Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 1:34 pm
OH NOOOOOO!!!!!
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