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Julieboo

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Bob I noticed. If you've ever read my posts on Judging Amy (or even Joan of Arcadia) then you'll note I can't help but notice inconsistencies. But anyways, i notice on MANY reality shows, the flop the faces back and forth quite a lot. On most people you can't tell. But with people who have two noticeably different sides of their face (like a mole or tony's beard), it is way noticeable. At least to me. It actually drives my dh nuts. Cuz in the middle of a great movie I will point out that the water glass switches from empty to full...

Realfan

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Have you ever seen the books about movie blunders, Julieboo? Like how the gladiator in Spartacus was wearing a wristwatch, that sort of thing? They're very funny!

I also think the hunks were told to be snarky. I can't believe they're naturally like that. Most of them would at least know it would look bad to bully geeks on national TV.

Notice how the hunks DON'T have tatoos all over their bodies? It seems the AJs get them as some kind of compensation for not having gorgeous bods, like they think it makes them look cooler or something. It ain't working.

Rslover

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 1:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Realfan,
Good idea about having some brain games. That would be more interesting. The heavy chef, Sean, seems like a nice normal guy. He actually has a nicer face than some of the thinner guys. I definitely think that the producers tell the hunks to act cocky and conceited. Have to admit, I do enjoy looking at the eye candy.

Babyjaxmom

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 2:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Julieboo, I do the same thing (catch inconsistencies) and it drives my DH crazy, too! I can't help myself. I always find myself wondering how they shot certain scenes, what went on behind the scenes. I love to catch those little flaws, "Continuity People!!!!" Maybe I was a director in a past life!

Sunshyne4u

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe there is something wrong with me but I didnt think most of the 'hunks' were attractive. Yes, they were athletic looking with cut abs BUT other than one or two, their faces were not that appealing.
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Now if you had Donato's face on one of these guys body HOLY SMOKES!! I still think that Donato had the nicest looks of all the guys. I really dont know how he got that big but his personality sure shone thru
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OH yeah, I was really surprised about the Drug ADDICT confession. Once again we are shown that these are NOT AVERAGE JOES!!

Catfat

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 7:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In Larissa's defense, she said at one point "They were supposed to give me guys I would have something in common with. What could I have in common with a fifty-year-old Elvis impersonator?" (I'm paraphrasing here.) And she's right.
She takes good care of herself and I think she is interested in someone who takes good care of himself, too. The professional cook (was it Sean?) has a very nice face and cool personality, but it is obvious from his shape that he doesn't take care of his body, and Larissa mentioned that
Most people tend to want to be with somone who is like themselves, who has the same interests and activities, and I don't think it is fair to call someone shallow just because they want to be with someone who is at the same place they are in looks, grooming, interests, money, ambition, age, or whatever. Those people who are beautiful and rich recognize each other instantly and gravitate together like two magnets.
For what it's worth, I am unwealthy, middle-aged and 'fluffy' and I honestly can't see a hunky rich guy being interested in me.
Everyone seeks someone at their own level according to their own set of values.

Lori

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Excellent points Catfat! People really do unconsciously gravitate towards people they have the most in common. I actually think Larissa is handling herself pretty well. Now that she has the "hunks" to play with, we'll see which way she goes.

Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 9:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Catfat: I agree with you almost completely.

People also tend to gravitate toward people they feel they 'deserve". And while it's not shallow to have expectations, some people get really pissy when they feel as though they aren't getting what they "deserve".

I'm speaking generally. I haven't watched enough of the show to form an opinion about Larissa.

Ladytex

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 11:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
well, I'm middle aged, not wealthy, and fluffy, and I can see hunky rich guys being interested in me, lol ... j/k, kinda ...

Catfat

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 11:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Scorpio--good point about people and what they think they deserve.
One more point I wanted to make--I think those remarks by the hunks are so nasty and uncalled-for. The AJs are just like the rest of us, they don't deserve to be treated like trash just because they aren't spending untold hours working on their bodies. I feel sorry for them.
And I agree Larissa is handling it with grace. I still think she will gravitate toward the better-looking guys, though, because she recognizes her own kind.

Watching2

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 12:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Very good points everyone. I was thinking earlier (of all places while eating dinner and thinking maybe I should just eat paper instead of anything else LOLOL)that it isn't unreasonable at all for a person who is in shape and athletic to want to be with someone who is the same. If you love jogging, sports, etc., wouldn't it make sense you would want to be with someone who at least was ABLE to do these things with you? Unless you're into solo activities, I would think singles would enjoy being with someone who can do the same. Granted, at times, opposites attract, but in this case, they've made is so extreme, with the exception of a few of the Joes, it's ridiculous.

YES, on the entitlement! I don't know if anyone else has noticed something which I have through the years, but I've often seen where men will be with a woman who may not be all that beautiful face-wise as long as she had a good body. I always wondered why some women were so popular when there were clearly others who were much prettier than she. Maybe it comes from years of hearing "you have a pretty face." heh heh

I'm with YOU, Ladytex - I think we deserve one of these guys... at least to look at.

Sunshyne4u

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 1:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree.............Watching2 is right. Men go for bodies most time, face is secondary. Interestingly enough, they will ask out/ persue slim attractive women even when they are overweight and very average. I truly believe most men of certain financial standing feeled "entitled" to a beautiful young TROPHY woman.

Becjo

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 6:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the added twist of the hunks is just cruel to the "Average Joes". I mean, it seems they have a hard time in life anyways and then they bring in these men to make them feel small again? It just makes me feel bad for them. What a slap in their face. Of course, its good TV to watch so they do it. I just hope these Average Joes have the kind of personalities that wont let them get down on themselves.

And Sunshyne - I agree, I thought Donato had the best looking face. His face reminded me of a guy I use to date too which is why I thought he was attractive but I'm glad to see someone else thought he was handsome. I think if they had someone who was in shape for a girlfriend, it would inspire them to get themselves back in form. Its a shame Donato's gone - it would've been great to see him get the girl!

Lori

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
According to t.v. Guide, Larissa is required to have one AJ and one "hunk" in the final two. It also said she has to eliminate in equal numbers hunks and AJ's. Seems as though the producers have a lot of control in this selection process.

Those ridiculous physical challenges coming up are for dates with Larissa. How cruel is that? Let Larissa pick those dates. Geez!!!!!!!

Madelane

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Was I the only one who thought it looked a little, um, "unique" to have all those men with their shirts off leaning back on that sofa on the yacht with their knees all touching each other and their arms thrown behind their heads? I have some friends who are not women but who would have really appreciated that image, is all I'm saying.

Lori

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL Madelane...I noticed that as well. Couldn't figure out what effect they were going for!

Laura11103

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Those hunks are gorgeous! I love that blonde guy, oh my goodness, Larissa is only human, face it, she's gonna pick a hunk and I don't blame her. Hopefully the AJ's will not get to terribly embarrassed. What was in the preview, who was that that was crying? Was that a hunk? Looks like biker dude AJ is gonna get kinda nasty himself.

Starshine40

Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 12:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hi, I went to the ABC Bachlorette website tonight and found that they have message boards there, so I skimmmed them a bit, very interesting.

While there I read that someone has pics posted at ivillage (from the Bachlorette)so went there and had to register then was able to access the message boards.

In the message board for Average Joe 2 I found the following 2 posts:

Average Joe: Hawaii
David on Avg.joe hawaii
I just saw David one of the guys in the movie "win a date with tad hamilton" Mail sorter yea right!!! How many other avg. joes are actors and trying to fool us? I am curious if nbc tells me.

Its a fake
Hey I saw him too in that movie I bet all the avg. Joes are actors and nbc is racking in the dough on people that thinks this is real. Dont feel sorry for the guys when the hunks come in its all a money scheme
07:50PM EST 01/23/04

Hootyhoot

Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wish I'd find out that every one of the average joes was an actor, because for the ones who are just regular guys, I think this show is just too demeaning and hateful.

Every one of those average men is just as likely to find love and have a happy marriage as the hunks are ... in fact, maybe the average joes are MORE likely to find love because the hunks may be so vain and self-centered that they aren't able to love someone else!

But this show is not where the average guys will find their soulmates ... it'll be at their church, or maybe at their job, or at the local pub, or even on-line ... I hope that years from now, we'll see wedding notices on the tvclubhouse board that tell us that Donato or Fredo or any of the others has found the right woman.

Gina8642

Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't know. Many of the beautiful people I've known in real life are happy, kind people. I think life is a little easier for them and they don't know hardship quite the way others do. Often the are just bubbly nice people.

I think it is a bit unfair, the way TV/media always protrays folks like this as vain and self-centered. Most of the vain, self-centered people I've known in real life aren't terribly attractive in a natural way, but instead aspire to be and resent folks who are naturally this way.

It's fun to 'love to hate' these characters in movies and TV shows. But, when it comes to reality TV, I feel a bit more wishy washy about just flat out condemning someone just because they are attractive - they are real poeple, not invented characters. Attractive people not being nice (on the whole) just has never proved to be true in my real life.

Seamonkey

Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 12:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Still they set it up as a very cruel thing.. back to school designed to humiliate the nerdy guys.

Starshine40

Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 1:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I found this tonight when I did a search with correct spelling of his last name.

If you wish to unsubscribe from the Phi Sigma Pi email newsletter, please reply to this email and write "unsubscribe" in the title. Thank you.

Monthly Alumni E-Newsletter January 2003

No Average Joe
Fans of the reality television show Average Joe are in for a surprise. Gamma Sigma alumnus David Daskal was chosen to participate in the show's next season, Average Joe: Hawaii. The premise of the show is to take a beauty queen and place her on an island with 18 bachelors - guys with great hearts, but admittedly average looks. Hence, "Average Joe".

David graduated from Southwest Missouri State in December of 2000 and spontaneously moved to California where he ended up doing background acting and extra work. "The experience was the best I've ever had," said David of Average Joe. "I learned quite a bit from a great bunch of stellar guys and a wonderful girl. Unfortunately, all I can say is you'll have to watch to find out details."

Average Joe: Hawaii premieres on NBC on Monday, January 5th at 10 PM (ET).

Watching2

Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 2:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
After watching my tape of the show last night, I have to say what was more unattractive to me than any of the guys' appearances, was their attitudes. I was really turned off by the way the two Brians and the other guy were behaving. It was their behavior which would exclude them from being "liked" as far as I'm concerned. They acted just as immature as some of the "hunks." If any of these guys are "real", they really need to take the huge chunks off of their shoulders. I give props to the "Avg Joes" who were at least social with the new guys, even if they were feeling a bit threatened. We now know why David is so friendly and positive - it's all an act!

I was disappointed that the older Michael from Cleveland was the one who used the disparaging word regarding Larissa, since I liked him at first. I also think the editing is playing into this "nasty hunk" "good avg guy" stereotype. When I looked back at the gym scenes (which I thought was a nasty thing to do, btw) I noticed the "hunks" were cheering on the other guys just as much to make it through the bars.

It appears it's that guy Theo - the chiropractor apprentice, who has the melt down later on. He's the one who Larissa wasn't sure if he was being truthful or not regarding not trusting some of the other hunks. What didn't make sense is, they show that Michael guy saying he said the "bad word" and yet Theo tells her to avoid the blonds. Hmmmmm....

Also, if you weed out the personal trainers, models and actors, and the chef and the stock broker on the other group, it appears some of the hunks actually have the better jobs so they can't be all brawn and no brain.

I blame the network for how this is all portrayed. They're the ones who picked out these guys and especially with this second group, a good deal of them are more freaky/geeky than average, just for the sake of contrast. Very few of them had much personality, esp. in common with her. Let's see some REAL average guys!

Lee7720
Member

11-11-2003

Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 9:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Do you think the show with "Adam-Returns" qualifies as "Average Jane"?? Hopefully, he'll remember what it felt like and give some of the not-so-glamorous ones a fair chance. And let's hope the "average ones" are a little more normal than the group that got picked for this latest show !! And...PLEASE...someone tell Adam that's it's ok to shave more than once a day !!

Watching2
Member

05-21-2003

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 1:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lee - YES, YES and YES! I still think it would have been a great idea to have Adam "made over" by the Queer Eye guys! I don't think he ever looked clean-shaven! Let's hear it for shaving! :-)