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Watching2
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07-07-2001

Monday, February 23, 2004 - 10:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Anyone watch this show tonight? I missed the first half hour or so, but caught what they showed in the promo with Fredo in the sub and spying on Larissa w/Jim. I think it was a cruel thing to do to Fredo. He left without saying goodbye. She said she was going to be eliminating him anyway so it made it much easier for her. He said he couldn't wait to talk to her about what happened, but he just left a note which Brian gave her. Even the guys didn't see him leave.

Then they showed the first of the hometown dates and it was at Jim's in AZ. It was weird because after the date, they showed the "elimination" ceremony and she eliminated him since she thought there was no depth between them, only physical attraction. He said he was disappointed and thought there was more there.

Next week they show the dates with Gil and Brian. They're making it look like she'll choose Brian, so after watching far too many reality shows, she'll probably pick Gil. Sheeesh!

Oh yeah, they said SHE has a secret she's been keeping from them. I can only guess what that one is! She was married before? I can't really think of anything else. Or..maybe she's really a man. LOL j/k

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Monday, February 23, 2004 - 10:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I missed the first half hour too.

I came in when she was on the beach with Jim. He really creeped me out tonight. She keeps trying to talk, and he's nibbling and blowing on her trying to get her to make out. He kinda reminded me of a stallion nipping at the mare before he mates with her. Blech. I'm glad he's gone. Talk about lack of depth!

Dynair
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01-06-2004

Monday, February 23, 2004 - 11:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I also thought the spying trip was an awful thing to do to Fredo. And why would they single out Fredo for this, and pick this particular date? It seemed like his voyage was set up so that he would arrive at just the right moment. It also seemed that he was not allowed to talk to the other remaining men before leaving. Did the producers know that Fredo would be eliminated, so it was okay to set him up for this? I, too, found this trick un-necessary and cruel.

Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 12:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I totally agree that this spying was a terrible thing to set up for Fredo! I'm glad that he had the guts to walk away from this whole thing, he has more pride than that.

I also agree that they seem to make it look like it will be Brian that she chooses. Actually, we haven't seen that much of Gil.

I wonder what her "secret" is? Guess we have to wait till next week for the big revelation and to find out who she chooses.

Sunrvrose
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08-13-2001

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 1:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't know what the secret is, but I KNOW that she was "shacking up" with Fabio(sp) (ya know, the romance novel king) and he supposedly moved another woman into his guest house, so Larisa left.

I suspect they chose Jim just because he looked so much like a fresh, young, Fabio. Maybe, she is the lucky girl who got it the first time and didn't need to do it again.

I am so glad Fredo left. As I recall, and PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, he was the guy who made a totally obscene gesture after meeting Larisa on the first episode. There are certain gestures and comments a man could make that are so disrespectful toward women that there is no way to overlook them or give the guy a second chance.

I couldn't, however believe she kept "Gil" (is that the right name?) He must have been edited very badly, 'cause he has shown me nothing.

Yep, I was thinking, at the end of tonight's show, that she is gonna choose Brian. I thought she should have kept Tony and Jim. Brian must have shown her something we didn't see. His unbelievably heavy accent alone would have turned me off.

I once had a boyfriend who was from Boston who actually said this exact thing to me, "I can't believe that people in 'Californier' say that they "warsh" their faces"



Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Why didn' t they have Fredo tell the other guys about Jim & Larissa? Or have all the guys go in the submarine too? Cuz maybe they'd all leave then?

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Good for Fredo. I'm glad he left. I just wish he'd told her the real reason why, and that he'd gotten a chance to tell Brian what he'd seen. But then as Julieboo mentioned, maybe Brian would have left also.

Warrenn
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01-10-2003

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 9:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I would be very surprised if the submarine was actually off the coast of the beach they were on. The 'periscope' video they were showing didn't seem realistic. There's no way they would have taken the sub that close to the shore--the water wouldn't have been deep enough. The camera angles kept changing and the height and distance were all wrong. Also, that little camera on top of the periscope would have produced a terrible image. The video they were showing was from normal TV cameras. My guess is they took Fredo on a little submarine ride and then showed him some videos and pretended they came from the periscope.



Needmylifeback
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08-14-2000

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think her "I was going to eliminate him anyway" was a cop-out on her part...it was an easy out for her to say that and also make her look like it was all her decision in the end.

Last night there was something said in a voice over that was to the effect that she may not choose a life long partner out of this but someone she can be with for a time....I've got to go back and see the tape to get what was said..but, that leads me to believe she chooses Brian.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree, it was just weird, I wonder if they are trying to hard to set themselves apart from the Bachelor shows. They do not pick likely candidates ... and if she picks Brian, well, she has this huge range from total make out (ROFLOL at Horse reference - exactly!!) to settling in with a friend... yet they do set them up to go on a vacation, and she does have to decide how to spend her next week with , a comfortable friend (that is falling hook, line and sinker) or someone you can have a "fling" with...

jmho

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 9:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I, too, thought it was odd that Fredo was singled out and that he didn't share with the other guys what he experienced on the sub. I think he would make a very committed and caring man for the right woman. He definitely has some depth to him (despite his disparaging remark earlier) and shows compassion and values. I wish him well.

I am a little surprised that Brian has made it this far. She seems to like "the wounded puppy" kind of guy and maybe his innocence and vulnerability appeals to her.

I like Gil better than Jim so am glad he is around for the end.

Sure curious to know what her big secret is....previous marriage? a child? who knows!



Whymihere
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01-28-2004

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I heard on Howard Stern that she was Fabio's love slave. I think that's her secret.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did she ever really kiss Brian? Seems to me she always had her mouth closed.

Realfan
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08-08-2001

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This show is a joke. I mean, really. ITA, Warrenn--no way did that video come from the periscope. Silly stuff! I think they're doing all this to make it different from the Bachelor, but it's not in a good way.

They singled out Fredo, but why? Where's the logic? I don't get it. Just like last week, when the artist guy was the victim. Why are they doing this to the average Joes? Anyone would react badly to seeing their love interest making out with someone else. Duh! Can you imagine showing Ian and Matthew video of Meredith's dates with the other? Both men would probably walk off the show.

Too much producer intervention makes for BAD reality TV. It makes it harder to believe in any of these people or their "stories"--a term they even used on Big Fat Obnoxious last night, which really showed the man behind the curtain (taking off of Larissa's Wizard of Oz references).

On the Bachelor, they're more likely to come out with real relationships because the producers take it seriously, and cast people who have similar interests and seem like likely matches. This show will never have that outcome because it's so much a shot in the dark.

Yes, she was with Fabio for a time, until he cheated on her.



Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
FAbio? Ick!

I agree Warrenn -- the "periscope" was just video they were showing him. I also missed how he was selected for this "prize". Was it because he won the jet ski competition?

It semed to me that Fredo left on his own and could have talked to the other guys if he had stayed. I think it was classy of him to not tattle to the other guys, but kind of whimpy for him to not even say goodbye to her. He was the guy who said some crude remark about her when he first met her. I try not to read too much into that kind of boyish behavior.

I'm really stumped on who she'll pick. She looks very sad in the previews so it seems like she's breaking someone's heart (Brian). But, the other guy, while cute, seems to be too soon out of a long term relationship so he doesn't seem like a good pick either. Whoever she picks, it appears it is for a friendship and vacation, and not for a relationship.


Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
There's a lot missig from this show. I admit I ff during the more cringe worthy moments so I end up missing lots. But last night she went on that helicopter date without explanation. That guy never won a date - it was "Then I went on a date with XXX on a helicopter". The editing on this show is starting to rival the editing on MB's The Restaurant. Very little makes sense from a logical point of view or a continuity point of view.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree Gina. It seems that Fredo had "won" a private date via the jetski race, but then she went on a private date will each guy Very poor editing. Also seems like a last minute editing change to have the one hunk meet her in the airplane hanger and be sent home on the bus. It's like they wanted to have a final 3, but maybe they had so much good footage of the other 2 they decided to get rid of him "early" for us.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Here's the TV Guide description for last nights episode...


quote:

In an expanded episode, a serious line is crossed after one of Larissa's suitors stoops to a new low during her private date with a fellow Joe. But after word gets out, it's up to Miss Leek to decide if the crime is grounds for giving them the boot.




dunno

So, I guess the "new low" was supposed to be the sub? Or is this really a description of the "blow up the boat" date, and TV Guide is just a couple of weeks out of it (except last nights was the first "expanded episode.")

And shall I assume Miss Leek is Larissa? I guess I don't follow it enough to know all their last names.




Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 4:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree the submarine thing was really stupid and very manipulative! How did they expect him to react? Any one of those guys would've been upset to see her making out with someone else. This show is really cartoony. The submarine thing on top of the exploding boat (was that last week?). Really dumb! I'm still watching tho.



Lauram
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07-13-2000

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 5:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sunrvrose: So was Fabio the one she was referring to when she said that she had been in a 9 month relationship and that she realized she had been in it for all the wrong reasons?

I know youb probably don't have any reason to know the answers to my questions, but I find it interesting that she would say she had been in it for the wrong reasons if it was common knowledge that she went out with Fabio.

Lauram
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07-13-2000

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 5:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
she is Larissa Meek.

And last night she was not on a date with a fellow joe but with one of the hunks.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 6:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This episode was YUCKY! WHY would Fredo be forced to watch Larissa and Jim suck face on the beach?? I had to laugh when I saw that Fredo was missing that night, elimination night. He said he fully intended to tell the others what he saw and I think the producers got RID of him quickly. You think Brian would have stuck around after hearing from Fredo how Larissa was practically humping Jim on the beach?? She seriously looked like her tongue was half down his throat!
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Poor Larissa...I wonder how she will feel listening to herself say all these contradictory things to the camera when she DOES the opposite with the good looking guys every chance she gets.
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I thought Jim did a great job of being standoffish when Larissa came to his hometown for the DATE. She seemed to be really trying to get him to say that he had a CRUSH on her too. Hats off to him for refusing to answer some of her nonstop questions. Privately he said he hated it when people try to treat him as stupid because of his looks and then Larissa is shown grillng him about the last good book he had read. Ha ha.
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I almost dont want to watch the final.....Think I might tape it and fast forward thru most, til the end. Although she seems like she is forcing herself to kiss Brian, I can see her deciding that Gil is too standoffish. Brian's slobbering over her attention is the ego booster that she enjoys most.......she may just pick him.
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Azlen
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08-27-2000

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 7:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Anyone else recognize that the park they were mountain biking in was the same park where the last Amazing Race concluded?

Caroline
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10-08-2002

Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 12:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Somehow Larissa must have said something about Fredo to the producers, and I'm sure they were aware he didn't want a kiss-all-around-gal but I haven't seen any of the couples restrain themselves much on these shows -- so, while I think what the producers did was it was tacky and unfair, Fredo's expectations were a bit unrealistic, imho.

I try to remember how distraught Larissa was when she first saw the 'average joes' -- she nearly walked off the show...so for her to go full circle and embrace Brian seems unlikely. That said, she seems a bit more appreciative of him but, as you all have said, Gil has had very little face time and that could mean he is her guy.

If she somehow opts for Brian, though, perhaps she is going for the friendship after her kinda-broken-Fabio-heart (even though she denied being in love with him last night)...maybe she wants a quiet respite with an adoring admirer.

Btw, did anyone see that previous Average Joe Adam is the next 'Average Joe'? Can't imagine he will get 6 average gals since he knows how the game was played -- it would be nice to see him get a real 'Bachelorette' shot at a relationship.


Marmosquirm
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09-10-2003

Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 1:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
So, I didn't watch the 1st Average Joe until the end of the last episode. I was wondering if in that one they also brought in "hunks" part way through. Because by the time I saw it there was one "average" looking guy and one pretty boy so I figured they must've done something on that one too.

Also........ eeewwwwww, Jim is just gross! It was really pathetic that while she was trying to talk on the beach, all he did was try to kiss her. Nice! And it was great when she asked him what book he'd read last! I thought he was gonna crap his pants!! And he didn't want to be stereotyped as "dumb"!!!

I also thought that they made it seem like Monday's was the last episode, as it was an hour and a half and they showed the airplane and bus on the previews for it. Whatever!