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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 7:31 pm
Game on!
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Nathalia
Member
07-20-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:22 pm
Yeah...Tammy is gone!
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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:27 pm
I went to the kitchen and missed about 30-seconds. I know Tammy said they were "duped" but why was that seen as being disloyal?
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Faerygdds
Member
08-29-2000
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:30 pm
I missed the first 10 or so minutes... what did Troy do that was "ethically questionable"?
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:30 pm
Is Katerina on crack? Exactly how was what Troy did wrong and make him the most dishonest person she's ever met? If she is such a crackerjack realtor (or whatever she is) she should have been able to take ANY apartment and win the challenge with it. What a whiny, crybaby. After tonight, I want Troy to win. He's shown he can be smart, kind and level-headed all at the same time. No one else has this combination. Is it really that easy to rent an apartment in Brooklyn? Bye bye, Tammy. Omarosa, as much as I wanted to stick with the girl, needs to go next.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:34 pm
Faerygdds: When they needed to choose which apartments they wanted, Troy knew they both wanted the same one. He wanted to settle it with a coin toss, but Katerina insisted they write down what they wanted and come together to show each other what they wrote. Troy wrote: "I want the exact same thing you want".
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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:36 pm
Faery, instead of writing down on a piece of paper which apt. he wanted, he wrote "I want exactly what you want" and that really pissed Katrina off. This whole episode was a little weird. Can anyone explain why they were screaming disloyalty to Tammy over the "duped" remark. What with all her very obvious faults, I don't know why they picked on that. Tammy was a loose cannon...she was just too weird and left field. Omarosa is another one who needs to go.
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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:39 pm
Scorpiomoon, can you figure what Katrina's point was in writing it down? I can't. What was that suppose to gain!?!
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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:40 pm
I personally liked the 'dupe', that was more like that kind of hardball I imagine goes on in the big leagues. Was Tammy not the one who said it was smart, and not a dupe? If so, that was about the best thing she did all show. Though I may be alone in that opinion as it seems to have resulted in her bootage.
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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:42 pm
No Cross, you're not alone. What Troy did was smart. What Katrina was proposing seemed stupid and pointless. So, that's what Tammy did: agreed it was smart. That explains the disloyalty comments.
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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:46 pm
Thanks Cassie, I thought it was Tammy, but wasn't certain. Now, having said that, I don't see how that translates into a disloyalty claim. When I see someone do something smart, I figure that's a good time to be taking notes, not making excuses.
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Reiki
Member
08-12-2000
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:54 pm
Katrina with her real estate experience needed to take complete charge of those aspects of the challenge. Tammy just really doesn't know how to communicate well with people. This was the second week in a row they needed to run interference on her mouth.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:58 pm
I guess Tammy's team thought she shouldn't have given Troy credit for getting the best of Katrina. Frankly, I thought Katrina was an embarrassment with her childish behavior. I loved when she tried to tell Troy to be a man and he responded with "Be a woman." She was like a child crying "no fair!" Then she did a 180 and said she wasn't duped. If there was no duping, then where was the unethical behavior? Troy's note cracked me up, and as out there as Tammy was it was hilarious when she called it like she saw it. Maybe it was disloyal, but it was the truth and probably the most astute observation she'd made.
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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 9:00 pm
Reiki: That part of Tammy's behaviour I understand. Had I been on her team, I'd have focused on that. Omarosa made some poor decisions this week as well. Strange how these overachievers seem prone to doing odd things with the spotlight shining on them.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 9:05 pm
Cassie: I still don't get it myself. What difference would it have made what he wrote down? They both wanted the same place. Writing it on a piece of paper wouldn't have solved anything. I guess it comes down to Katerina's ego being bruised over not getting what she wanted and she was scrambling to find a reason for "losing".
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 9:30 pm
I thought Troy's note was hilarious and was disappointed that Donald seemed to agree that it was 'unethical'?? I suppose in a strict sense it was since they were supposed to be in a serious negotiation. But I could see why Troy poked fun at Katrina's approach. Obviously we can count Katrina out of the running... what a whiny crybaby! Bill wasn't very impressive either I'm looking forward to seeing Nick & Amy next week... 'office romance,' woohoo I still think those two will be the last ones standing for many reasons... not the least of which the expression the Donald has when he interacts with them. And could the producers ask for a better finish??
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 9:45 pm
I missed tonight's episode. Can anyone tell me what happened with Heidi's phone call? Thanks!
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 9:57 pm
Scorpio & anyone else who is wondering... my interpretation of the 'note thing' was this: at first Katrina did not want to 'reveal' which apartment she preferred in their negotiation. Troy just wanted them to lay their preferences out on the table & negotiate. Katrina's wanting to 'cover up her answer' was an insult to Troy, implying that she would know which is the better apt & he wouldn't. Though she is a relator professionally & he is not... so maybe it's fair to assume that she would be likely to evaluate the apts better. So anyway she came up with this idea that they would independently state in writing which one they wanted, and maybe that way they'd find out that they wanted different apts, and that would be that. When he agreed to her little paper exchange he 'pulled a fast one' by saying he wanted whichever one she wanted, and then got to see by reading her paper which one she wanted. This totally upset her, feeling that she had been 'duped' into revealing her preference (hence the word in the boardroom ) and especially since he ultimately won the coin toss & chose the one that SHE wanted. I guess the more that I think about it, I can see why Donald would agree it was unethical of Troy to 'steal' Katrina's expertise like that, but on the other hand, maybe he would have wanted the same one anyway. Perhaps it was still wrong of him to do that to her regardless, but I think he felt insulted, belittled & annoyed by her approach. So he turned around and insulted, belittled & annoyed her. Interesting scenario. Hope that helps clear things up If I misinterpreted anything, someone please correct me.
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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 10:02 pm
You seem to have it down, the only thing I would add, is that as far as I could tell he knew which one she wanted prior to the reveal. Which kind of made his note all that much more amusing to me. Jen: I'm hoping someone else will summarize the phonecall. While I know in general terms what the message was, I was not able to understand the full content of it due to the emotion at the time.
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Chieko
Member
11-20-2003
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 10:10 pm
Great explanation, Buggles. I thought I heard Troy say that he overheard her on the phone so he already knew which apt. she wanted and he had picked the same one in his mind so therefore the note saying ---the one you want. I think she misinterpreted it to mean whichever one you choose I want when in actuality he had already decided on the same one. She got upset way to much in proportion to what happened. I say be challenged to do the best no matter which you get. She acted as though whoever got that apt would win.
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Essence
Member
01-12-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 10:11 pm
Buggles, that sounds about right with Crossfire's addition that he did know which one she wanted before they exchanged papers. I think he overheard her on the phone. Jen, I think her father told her that her mother had stage 1 colon cancer (I think it was colon). She was scheduled to have an operation, but they didn't want Heidi to come home. I'm sure there's more to it, but that's what I got out of it.
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Chieko
Member
11-20-2003
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 10:13 pm
Very briefly the phone call was that her mother had stage one colon cancer and was going to be going into surgery.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 10:25 pm
Buggles: Yes! That makes sense now! And, as others have noted, Troy did say he heard her mention the 3rd street apartment on the phone and knew she wanted it beforehand. But Katerina didn't know Troy knew. To her, it was manipulation (for the reasons you stated). To Troy it was just an opportunity to ruffle her feathers for being so rigid when he knew they wanted the same place. Ok, now I got it. Thanks, Buggles!
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 10:27 pm
Thanks Crossfire, Chieko & Esssence... I didn't completely absorb what happened on that phone call (distracted & didn't realize it was relevant). Even more interesting to see the whole picture
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Friday, February 20, 2004 - 12:01 am
i was so hoping the other team would lose if only so we could see omarosa confronted by the henchwoman and man about being too injured to work, but able to play a little B ball on the street. what a wuss. i'll bet the only thing that gal ever painted was her nails. i would love to have seen a little screen pop up in the board room showing footage of omarosa playing with no pain at all. i think the thing that hit her was about half the size of a chocolate bar. a small piece of sheetrock or plaster weighs very little. and her head only hurt during work time, seemed to me.
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