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Tobor7
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09-26-2002

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 6:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm still enjoying this show a lot!


I think they HAVE to re-structure at this point since the girls have too many more on their team.

I didn't think either team did anything brilliant with their task. The guys were terrible. Just shilling on the street it seemed.

I would have given away a t-shirt with every 5 drinks or something. Put a bottle by the shirts and give a free shot with every t-shirt purchase. I would have given free dinners to people in exchange for handing out drink cards on the street. Seems the data was all about cash intake... nothing to do with inventory. Give some food away... give some drinks away...

I thought the guys had an unfair advantage with the extra day to think about ideas... but they seemed to waste the time.

Nobody thought of a raffle. Give away a free dinner every hour on the hour... but you HAVE to be in the restaurant and have ordered your food to qualify... then people who finished would hang out and drink to see if their meal was free. It would generate DRINK money because they wouldn't close their check out.

I was shocked at the outcome with who got fired. It seemed that DT did it based on POTENTIAL and not performance. Not fair in my view.

Trump didn't seem upset at the "signing" stuff. Too bad. I thought he would have been. Clearly anything goes for him.


Did you watch the clock on the wall at the end? When the 3 guys sit down... then it cuts to the boardroom... then they are called in. Looked like 5 minutes to me.


Mocha
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12-03-2003

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 7:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ugh I'm such an idiot. I got Kwame Brown and Lebron James mixed up. Both were drafted out of high school but Lebron's the star and Kwame has become a dud.

Konamouse
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07-04-2003

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 7:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The men had a 24 hour advantage to do advance advertising and promotion; why didn't they do anything? Book a celebrity to appear at the bar?
The best "management" idea WAS the employee incentive. Management means have the employees earn the money, not YOURSELF. The men had the right idea at that point - get the waitstaff to push the drinks and the desserts and the SWAG (shorthand for retail items). Do they know anything about restaurant management? They didn't even need to show "profit", just "gross sales". That is SOOOO EASY. They just blew it.

(I shouldn't rant after two glasses of champagne"

"squeek"

Maris
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03-27-2003

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 7:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
All the men had to do was walk ten feet go to the naked cowboy and pay him bring in the customers. That guy makes a fortune in those white Fruit of the Looms.

Wilsonatmd
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10-09-2002

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 7:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Konamouse, according to the rules of the task, they could only observe the restaurant from 1-3pm the day they were in charge to figure out what they would do (they were in charge from 4pm to midnight)....So the guys may have been able to have some general ideas, but couldn't figure out any specifics til their day...

Wapland
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06-03-2003

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 9:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
DH and I are still loving the show. I do think the donald made a mistake this week. To me the issue is not whether Nick disapproved of the approach, it was his shutting down. So he didn't like what they were doing, then why wasn't he coming up with something more ethical, innovative and money making? He let the team down. I say FIRED! Instead he picked the hardworking Bowie.

Maris
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03-27-2003

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 9:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
There is no way I would do anything unethical. If I thought what my boss wanted to do was unethical, I would refuse to do it and I have refused to do unethical things. You can call it shutting down, I saw him distancing himself and I also saw someone who was disgusted. I think I would have been too, especially when I saw little kids paying $12 bucks for his autograph. Shoot I probably would have told the people to put their money back in their wallets and run to the nearest exit..

Surfgirl
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11-08-2003

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 11:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am just wondering if they had a merge planned at this point.. or if they did it just because the guys are doing so badly? And if it was the other way around with the women getting whooped.. if they would of still mergerd?
I like the women against men part.. if they are trying to make it more fair.. wish they would just sit some woman out for the mission.. make it even numbers between the sexes.
Crossfire: Lol at BigBrother in business suits!!

Chellemmm
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11-16-2003

Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 8:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the reason Nick did not get fired and Bowie did is that Bowie was "fence sitting." He said he kinda disagreed with the fake autographs and didn't get behind the idea 100%, but neither did he walk away. I think the Donald likes it when people take a stand, one way or another. The editing made it look like Nick was a goner, but as soon as Bowie answered the question about the autographs, I knew he was gone.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 11:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Chelle, I think you're exactly right. DH and I both agreed that it was the waffling that got Bowie fired.

Yuhuru
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09-27-2001

Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
They didn't charge for the autograph. They just charge the already outrageous price for the merchandise. I don't like what they did, but I'll bet the farm that no kid who got an autograph that day mistook Kwame Jackson for Kwame Brown or anybody else famous. Kids know who they like, and they are brutally honest. You'll fool me before you'll fool a kid.

I have a low opinion of Nick. Nick didn't take a stand he took a seat. His original job was to bring people into the restaurant. He continued at his post. He just half a$$ed it. I would have had more respect if he left.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 10:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am astonished that the guys applied so little common sense to real life marketing ventures. The girls have beaten the guys because the guys are doing nothing. And sex beats NOTHING.

What was so hard about this assignment? I guess, the timeframe. However, this latest assignment was an environment this age person knows intimately.

Ok, so you're marketing a bar.

You brainstorm! And you don't rely on the walk-in business to make your mark.

First you identify your target audience/market: Who do we want to attract? What age are these folks? Where do we find these folks? What is the best vehicle to reach them? What are their triggers? (What will bring them in?)

How to find your audience, once identified: If young, hit graduate student colleges in nearby universities (NYU, Columbia, Fordham, Parsons, New School, fashion design schools). If a bit older, learn what other events in the area precede your timeframes. (Such as an art gallery showing, museum event, etc) You station hired hands (students) outside office buildings with flyers/coupons? You use the net to advertise on popular night life sites.

You start with what you know. What would attract you? (For me it would be Live Music!!)

Following that idea, a band playing outside a bit in advance could have advertised the bar for them. (And would have precluded resorting to begging passersby to come to the bar later. (a jr high tactic, IMO)

As soon as they got the assignment, both groups should have broken their butts booking some amateur band/group they'd seen somewhere from their college experiences--who was dying to be in the limelight for five minutes. Live entertainment would have blown the place away! Drinks would have sold themselves!

For all their education, these folks are not applying big picture thinking that's required of a business/marketing leader. I haven't seen it in any of them so far.

Maybe as the numbers dwindle, someone will stand out.



Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 2:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Herckleperckle -

just as an FYI, Planet Hollywood is a restaurant that also happens to have a bar. And it's located in Times Square and the Theater District and an all around "Touristy" area.

Additionally, I dont' know if a band would have been permitted to play on the NYC sidewalk without advance notice. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe you need a permit. Many street performers and such get shooed away by cops. (but the Naked Cowboy always seems to be there ) And a band blocking a sidewalk in Times Square probably would have been a no-go.

I believe the target market is Tourists in general. Families, young people, older people, etc. (when the Apprentices went to the restaurant in the afternoon, they could have asked what the demographics are for the dinner shift.)
I believe it was the tourists that were buying up the autographed ball. They probably just assumed that it was someone famous with the camera crew around.






Needmylifeback
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08-14-2000

Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think they should split into three groups next week ...the 4 men and split the womens team into two...I just think splitting it into 4 women, 2 men might just eliminate the men even sooner. A woman leader just might take the two men into the boardroom with her...especially if they didn't really do anything in the assignment. Or make the Man the team leader and if they lose he has a bigger chance to go.....

So it needs to be 3 teams to keep it interesting...and to see if the men can get it together.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 5:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LMK,

You may be right about the permit stuff. But I'll recover by saying that, if I remember correctly, this Planet Hollywood had a great window area--where the band could have assembled, with music piped outside.

Also, the market for this short-life event couldn't be their total market. It had to be the segment of the total market they wanted to target. So you ask yourself, what product gives me my biggest yield? If it's the liquor (which the women did figure out!), then you need to know what age group/gender spends the most on this product (which the women did figure out!). So your task becomes to find ways to market to/attract this more finite audience . . . their target market.

With the groups smaller and mixed, I think we will have a better chance of seeing more individual leadership.


Cr8ofdata
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01-13-2004

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 5:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
IMHO - As soon as the women starting drinking with the customers and broke a law, that should have been IT! Maybe they should have lost a couple of $1000 of their sales or something. I mean, in the "real" world you can't break the law and get away with it for long. They should have known better. The men didn't break any laws, just did something some may not agree with. The women should have had to march into the board room and those who were standing there doing shots should have been the ones DT had to fire. Just my opinion.

Zules
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08-21-2000

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 8:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Cr8ofdata - which law were they breaking?

Maris
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03-28-2002

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 4:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
have you seen the cover of the new TV guide? It pretty much tells you what this show is all about.

tvguide

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 6:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
To suppliment my income many yrs ago I occasionally would take a bartending or cocktail waitress job. I did this in both Texas & Ohio. In both states employees were allowed to drink cust. purchased drinks. Where I worked in Ohio, this was only allowed within the last open hr. of the bar. I worked a couple places in Texas & one place had no limit as long as you accomplished your job & the other was similar to the place in Ohio. So, I say no laws were prob. broke & this was a smart move on the women's part.

Cassie
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 6:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Does anyone know why they're showing a repeat of last week's show tonight? I've never seen this happen on a "reality" show. Anyone know when the next NEW show is scheduled?

Cassie
Member

07-15-2000

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK, ignore the above post. I've just found out that the new show will be showing on Thursdays.

Catfat
Member

02-27-2002

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A repeat of last week's show? How sucky is that?
They are going to drag this show right into the toilet with all these shenanigans.

Crossfire
Member

08-07-2001

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 7:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Try again tomorrow night. :-)

Gotta chase this one all around the calendar it seems.

Gen
Member

08-22-2003

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Crossfire, I am about ready to let it chase itself around the calendar! I agree with Catfat, they are going to keep messing around until views give up.

Crossfire
Member

08-07-2001

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 8:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Heh, their only saving grace is that tomorrow, it follows straight off of Survivor. I can't think of a better place to park it.