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Willwillbee
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09-20-2001

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 12:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree, at this early stage she shouldn't be trying to id sexual orientation, she should be keeping who she feels comfortable with and going with her gut instinct.

Sunrvrose
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08-13-2001

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 12:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
SanFran, I used my "Gaydar", not based on the obvious sterotypical gesturing, etc, but on body language, (the way they hugged her) a certain look in the eyes, and certain phrasing.

I had Gust wrong and Louis right.

I'd love to compare guesses with you. I called my gay co-worker, (who I didn't know was gay until he told me) to compare guesses, but he was out for the evening, so don't know if he saw the show, or even knows its on. He hates TV for the mostpart.

So Ya wanna compare guesses?

Realitylover
Member

01-27-2004

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 1:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
WHERE HAVE I SEEN RYAN BEFORE?? I know I've seen him on some reality TV show before!! This has been driving me nuts since I saw him in the television ads!!

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 2:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
hmmmmmmm Well, I work in a female dominated profession and the ALL guys we work with end up with 'feminine' mannerisms (but are not GAY!) Two guys I know really well are married to very aggressive masculine women....whatever makes up the balance for a good marriage I say!
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ANYWAYS, I watched this first episode and wondered how many of the guys were raised with a houseload of sisters? How many are actors who are playing a part? How many are BI sexual?

Gust seemed shy to me, but his lisp and mannerisms were not unlike stereotypical gay. How do we KNOW that the guys are telling the truth as they are asked to leave??

I personally think that she chose the attractive, well built guys first then worked her way backwards. If she is going to be there having fun she wants to make sure the HUNKS are there with her. Anyone know if there were 7 gay/ 7 straight as the 14? .
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GOOD POINT sanfranjoshfan!!

I personally think that there is a HUGE percentage of straight people who have been with their same-sex. Many Bi-sexual men supposedly like to call themselves HETERO...even if they make porno movies doing other guys!! I was surprised at the statistics.....but obviously, Jan's Friend in Toronto proves the point! WOW, that many calls!!

I was just thinking. You know, this show kinda highlights homophobic thinking and glorifies it. Not sure if this is going to be done in good taste.....seems kinda blechy so far. I am not sure if I would like to have men 'faking' being interested in me....for $$$$$ :-((


Watching2
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07-07-2001

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 7:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
SFJosh: <<<Think about it....a man can even perform the sex act with a blowup doll. Would that make him an inflate-a-sexual as opposed to either gay or str8>> ROFLMAO!!!! Oh gawd.. thanks for the laugh. Your post just cracked me up!! As far as not being str8 if they can't perform, I think that would leave them out of traditional marriage now, wouldnt' it?! And if he already did produce some kids but is not longer able, wouldn't it go to follow that he should be made to get divorced? acck LOL

As far as who you fall in love with, that was exactly the point of my gay friend who was married and said he could even enjoy being w/a women again physically, but he would never do that to anyone because it is his HEART that counts.

Jan- All you have to do is scan the titles of most chatrooms and you will find TONS of married men who are so "str8" that they're looking for hookups w/guys! I even had a woman IM me one time asking me if I wanted to hook up and when I told her no she asked me if I wanted to "do" her husband! Umm... no thanks!

I was kind of looking for body language as far as hugs and things go, but I know from real-life experience that's not anything to go on either. When I've gone out to clubs w/gay friends, a lot of gay guys are all over me and it's not a big deal because we know it's just "in fun."

I also agree that a lot of str8 people have at least experimented w/same sex. My daughter who is now 23 was telling me back in HS that one week someone would say they were gay and then they weren't - it was like the "cool thing" in her class and it bugged her. And yes, they would have same-sex partners and then the next thing you know, they'd be w/opposite sex partners. Now my younger daughter's friends were a lot more homophobic (she isn't) but the guys were. It was interesting to see the difference just 3 yrs made in how the kids were acting. Although the older one hung out with the artsy/theatre kids and the other one more jocks and I don't know what to call the other guys - the ones into rap and acting that whole bit. Uggh. LOL

They didn't really say how many were gay and how many were str8. My gay friend in San Diego Tivo'd it but hasn't watched it yet. He knew the guy who was picked on Boy Meets Boy from the clubs there and one of the guys is from the area, so I told him to see if any look familiar. :-)

I don't know how many str8 guys who SHOULD watch this will since they'll be too homophobic to even watch, but I think it will at the very least, be a good lesson for the guys who are participating.

FWIW - I would have kicked that Ryan guy to the curb whether he's gay or str8. He's just too much of a player, but she hasn't seen what we have - that he acts like a major jerk! :-)

I also don't like how this all turned into just a game for money and I felt bad for the girl who thought it really was going to be a place where she might meet someone for her. Oh well, it's FOX.. what did we expect?






Purplecow
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12-08-2003

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I loved it that even the guys were so sure the ones she picked were gay. I don't think there's any way you could tell if someone were gay or straight unless they told you or you "caught them in the act." I'd just go for the ones I like. It sure would be a fun twist if NONE of them was gay! (Too late for it to be all of them, but that would have been fun, too.)

Lori
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04-18-2003

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 9:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL...you're gay because you use a hair dryer? That's a new one!

I couldn't even begin to guess who is gay and who isn't. My gut feeling is that on this show, the guys who appear the most "manly" are the gay ones.

Willing to bet a lot of these guys are wannna-be actors!

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Realitylover,
On their message board, people are saying Ryan was on Elimidate. Could that be it? Of course, the hair dryer thing was ridiculous but what about Banks? Shaving ALL of his body hair, including arms? Hmmmmm! Makes you wonder. This show seems very low budget, so far. A "swing" date?

Webkitty
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07-24-2001

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow, these producers are really good. I had a hard time with my gaydar last night.

First, I think Jackie knows that Ryan is gay and has an alliance of sorts with him. (we will probably never get to see this, so spec on my part)
That wild tongue kiss they showed for next week didn't ring true to me and I immediatly thought, set up.
They show that next week he will try to flirt with some of the guys in the hot tub to out them. He could then tell Jackie and she can boot them. He would go at the end of the show. What's in it for him? Face time. A long story line that runs the length of the season. Exposure for opportunities for later. Plus, a happy newly rich couple he can call friends.
It looked to me that Jackie might know the fun of having her first gay friend. I wouldn't be surprised if these two stay close friends after the show.
(watch me be WAY off base here, lol! I might possibly have a Survivor soaked brain! ...alliance....lol)

I thought it was funny too about the hairdryer. Jackie is from a small town and probably guys there just don't use them. Still funny though.

So far I'm thinking Ryan, John, Alex and Chris are guy. I'de bet on Ryan and Alex, but like I said, they picked some good ones! Hard to tell............

Webkitty
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07-24-2001

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Rslover, ~Will Kirby~ Not gay, but verrrry smoooth! lol.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 10:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Webkitty, I thought the same thing about the woman being from a small town and never seeing guys who blow dry (or use product in) their hair.

Did they say how many are gay and how many are non-gay? I didn't catch t if they did, but I can say without a doubt that I know two of the gay ones.

I also thought the show was kinda lame...for what it's worth. It just happened to be more entertaining than watching Katie Couric pretend to be smitten with Ben Affleck for an hour.

Webkitty
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07-24-2001

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 12:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL!! I hear ya........They didn't say how many were gay.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 12:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Webkitty,
Forgot about him and his shaving. If Ryan was gay would he go on elimidate? He does seem gay but I think he's acting a bit too much. What does everyone thinks about Luciano? Hot guy, but I think definitely gay, as well as Bill.

Webkitty
Member

07-24-2001

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes, I think Ryan would go on Elimidate if he was gay. Gay people date and marry people of the opposite sex for all sorts of reasons. In Ryan's case, I bet he wants the face time. He seems outgoing and someone who might like a life in front of the camera. (not that there's anything wrong with that...)
I think Ryan is probably toning it down a lot, believe it or not. I have a feeling irl with his friends he's a flame-ah, lol.

Luciano..... I have him down as gay with a question mark on my cheat sheet, so I don't know.

I have a feeling Jackie will get duped. If she thinks a man is gay for using a hair dryer then her chances are slim.
But, you never know, maybe she has a strong hidden gaydar that never came out before. (but then again she has already booted two straights...)

Now, if the man she finally chooses SAYS he's straight, and she chooses to BELIEVE him at the time.......I can just see the Enquirer headlines now......Jackie heartbroken after Sharif admits he's gay!! Photos inside!! ......lol.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 4:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh my heck.. she didn't bring a HAIRDRYER??? Isn't she worried they will think SHE isn't straight??

If that guy had the only hairdryer there, I hope he took it with him, just to spite her.

For now, she should be ellminating guys who just don't do it for her, gay or straight, they should go.. then when it gets down to a few, sweat the small stuff.

As Randy Jackson would say, it was just aiight..

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sunrvrose - "SanFran, I used my "Gaydar", not based on the obvious sterotypical gesturing, etc, but on body language, (the way they hugged her) a certain look in the eyes, and certain phrasing.

I had Gust wrong and Louis right.

I'd love to compare guesses with you."

Well, I'm not good at guessing on this. Granted, I am gay and I do live in the heart of what is arguably the gayest neighborhood in America (the Castro district in San Francisco)....but that hinders more than it helps. The problem is I see *so many* gay men *all the time* (of all types, with all kinds of mannerisms), I have found that unless a guy is *extraordinarily* effeminate, it's impossible to tell for sure....and I'd wager there are some pretty effeminate str8 men out there.

In fact, as I watched the show it appeared to me that they were ALL gay because I either know or have met types *just like* ALL of them!

The point is, I think, that stereotypes are just inaccurate measurements of "gayness". For every gay man that likes football and works on cars there's a str8 hairdresser or pastry chef.

The only way she can win this game is to drop all her suspicions and try and make a genuine connection....and then go from there. Of course, since even the str8 guys are in this for the money, that's no foolproof plan either. AND....gay men have made connections with (and broken the hearts of) women for years by trying to be str8 (at our homophobic society's insistence) and only finding...after years of pretense...that it doesn't work out for the best that way. My guess is that for gay men to agree to be on this show, though, they will already be "out of the closet"....so they *may* not have as much experience at playing the str8 role as convincingly (by making a believable "connection") as most gay men did 30+ years or so ago....JMO

Bottom line....I have absolutely NO IDEA which ones are which!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 5:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Very true. SANFRAN! You are the expert here, IMHO.
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WILL KIRBY, LOL Even the name cracks me up! He worked as a model though...and kept up on the full body grooming while on BB2(?)

The guy on this show who supposedly shaves arms and legs doesnt look like he'd be a model, IMHO.

Obviously it kinda creeps out some of these guys cause they are talking about it. Yet everyone knows some bodybuilders bodyshave to show off their physique. Then again, I never noticed the man in question even HAVING a decent build...hmmmm I am going to have to really eyeball these guys more closely NEXT SHOW! :-)


Jan
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08-01-2000

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 5:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's my understanding that guys heavily into biking shave their legs to create less drag..same for swimmers, I think?? Also don't many metrosexuals do it? I thought almost all the guys on BB shave everywhere??

Moderator
Moderator

06-30-2002

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
We have created a combined area and moved the separate discussion & spoiler threads in here.

Mod (22)

Jan
Member

08-01-2000

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 2:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks so much Mod.

So now, if you just want to comment on the show itself or SPECULATE about who is gay or straight, this is the thread for you...but if you have found information on the net that proves who is gay and who is not..or you have other spoiler info please post in the spoiler area :-)

Bbfanatic
Member

08-14-2000

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My husband uses a hairdryer? uh oh

Jan
Member

08-01-2000

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well you better starting checking your man out, Bb .

Seriously, I guess this girl has never heard of a metrosexual!

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My DH shaves all over

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 9:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
He didn't look that shiny to me, Pamy :-) Not that I checked him ALL over, mind you

Kaili
Member

08-31-2000

Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 6:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Here's an article from our paper...

‘Playing It Straight’ goes straight for gay stereotypes

Not that you should take any relationship advice from me, but I do have one idea for making your love life a lot less stressful.

If a television network executive comes up to you with an offer to meet your dream match, turn and run. If that executive happens to be from the Fox network, then run even faster.

As we’ve seen on Fox reality shows such as “Joe Millionaire,” it’s never as easy as simply choosing from a dozen beautiful people. There’s always a twist. And the more cruel, the better, because we all love to watch other people’s heartache and suffering. Or at least that’s what the TV folks believe, because they keep churning out these shows.

And so we come to “Playing It Straight,” the newest Fox reality series that debuted Friday.

This is a show that better judgment would have you avoiding at all costs, yet it’s intriguing because the center of attention is a woman named Jackie Thomas, who happens to be from Appleton.

She believes she’s embarking on a dream getaway to a ranch called Sizzling Saddles (how’s that for a euphemism?), where she will be surrounded by 14 buff, metrosexual dudes ready to feed her grapes and cater to her every whim while she lays in a hammock like an ancient Egyptian goddess.

But here comes the twist! After meeting the guys one by one, Jackie is told that some of them are gay. And then the game begins: She must try to figure out who’s gay and who’s straight. If she falls for a straight guy, they’ll split $1 million. If she falls for a gay guy, he’ll take the entire million and she’ll be left with nothing.

Naturally, this comes as a shock to Jackie, who is really hurt that some of these guys are lying to her. And I’m rolling my eyes while she’s in tears saying this because, two things: One, like a guy has never lied to a girl before. Two, did she really think she was going to ride into Sizzling Saddles and just whoop it up with 14 guys with no strings attached? Apparently she hasn’t seen much reality TV.

At this point I must mention that the stage had been set earlier in the show when Daphne, the show’s host, gathered the guys to tell them that there was some deception in the ranks, that some of the guys were not, in fact, who they appeared to be. This was done before Jackie arrived and the guys were told to keep it secret.

Upon recovering from that bombshell, homophobia ensued because the guys all have to share rooms, and no one wants to be roomies with a gay man. One guy was afraid that he’d be “preyed upon,” using those words as if gay people are vampires.

These guys were so paranoid that they even began questioning themselves. One guy was worried that he’d be considered gay because, “I have a lot of, like, umm ... toiletries.”

So yeah, to say that the show played up a lot of stereotypes would be an understatement. And of course, the gay guys are the bad guys because they are the deceivers who are only in it for the money. The straight guys are in it only for love. Awwww.

Anyway, back to Jackie. From this point on, her “gaydar” must be on full alert because she has to send two dudes home by the episode’s end. Her first big clue comes when she asks to borrow a hair dryer, and Bradley the bartender steps up and offers his, oblivious to the negative implications of his kind gesture.

Bradley quickly realizes his mistake and hopes that Jackie won’t hold it against him. But the damage had been done. Now the other guys are certain that Bradley is gay because he’s the only one who uses a hair dryer. And during a one-on-one conversation, Jackie asked Bradley flat-out what was up with that thing.

So, now you’re gay if you use a hair dryer. Wait, I have a hair dryer. What if you own one but don’t use it?

We learned Friday that Jackie’s gaydar needs some adjustment because the two guys she sent home turned out to be straight. Talk about adding insult to injury. Not only do you not get the girl, the girl also thinks you’re gay.

Ouch.

You know, dating is incredibly difficult when you’re just an average person. Yet here we have a girl who is attractive enough that she could probably go anywhere and get any guy she wants, but she has chosen to put herself in a very unenviable position in front of the entire country. I can’t imagine why a person would do that, even for half a million.

In any case, if Jackie were from anywhere other than Appleton, I’d flip right past “Playing It Straight” because I’m sick of Fox’s continued redefining of love as a game of elimination with cash prizes. But best of luck to Jackie. I hope the local kid makes good. Actually, I hope she picks the wrong guy and leaves with nothing, then goes on with her life and finds love and happiness in a more conventional fashion.

By the way, the well-coiffed Bradley, despite his seemingly fatal faux pas, was invited to stay. But I bet he never touches that hair dryer again.

Eric Klister can be reached at 920-993-1000, ext. 423, or by e-mail at eklister@ postcrescent.com