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Bastable
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 10:39 am
We see 44 minutes of their time. We don't know what other things were said and done before Omarosa said that to Ereka. Maybe she's right, maybe she's wrong. Who's to say? It wasn't our experience. (By the way, I'm with Sweetbabygirl--this is the second task in a row in which the women decided to use sex as a weapon. I find that beneath them. They are smarter and more powerful than to have to resort to that. Is this how this particular batch of women have made it through their lives?)
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Halfunit
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 11:28 am
I like Sam.
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Yuhuru
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 11:53 am
"But Omarosa is not giving black women a bad name as she is not representative of all black women." Yeah!!!!!!!!!! Best comment so far. Sometimes folks, you gotta ignore these race related comments/issues/posts/etc. I think 99% of us know that Omarosa way waaaaaayyyyyyyy off the wall with that one. It's so much easier not to comment in depth about it because you'll most likely, inadvertently write something that offends someone or is misinterpreted - IMHAAO Okay, everybody take a deep breath, and let the fun resume! Omarosa seems insane to me, and unfortunately her insanity is over shadowing Erika's insanity. The women's team should have those two fight to the death in a mud pit...naked (since sex seems to be up the women's ally -just jokes ). Anyway-I love this show!!!!!!! I almost feel sorry for the men-almost. Watching these folks(women) I feel sooo out of touch with what is professional.
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Realfan
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 11:54 am
Well put, Hummingbird. I liked Omarosa at first--how could I not, considering she was part of the Clinton Administration? For some reason, she wanted to make it about race. I agreed with her about the campaign being potentially offensive (but it was clearly more creative than the men's). I also understand completely having a headache and the other girls not being quiet fraying her last nerve. What I wanted to see, though, was her congratulate the team leader or Tammy for the success of the campaign. It would have been the mature thing to do. Maybe she did and we didn't see it, but if so, it didn't improve her relationship with them, and it's up to her to try to get along. She seems to have devolved into trench mentality, which won't show The Donald that she can get along with a lot of different types of people--something I would judge all of them on if I were him. I thought the Deustch Co. looked like an uncomfortable place to work. Concrete floors?? Ouch! I'd get shin splints walking on that hard surface all day. And you just know that shot of the President and The Donald walking along when the scooter boy zips past in the background was way staged.
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Arm22
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:14 pm
I believe it was Nick that Jason picked.
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Realfan
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:36 pm
Yes, It was Nick, the guy who taught them how to present. Wasn't the whole "be the hat" thing hilarious?? It seemed to work, too!
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Texaslawdiva
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:52 pm
O was way out of line for "race" comment. Someone here said it best, it was her inability to articulate a valid point and that was her only defense. But I love some of her button pushing. Halfunit: why did you type "I like Sam" soooo small? lol lol lol Be proud! That guy grates my nerves just looking at him. He is overzealous and a butt kisser. Always trying to be seen. O: should tone it down a bit. I would love to know what Trump thinks of her. I don't think he will get rid of her b/c of ratings, then she kicks butt when it is time to work and makes smart decisions. I think he will blow off her "tude". Tammy: I don't see what everyone is talking about regarding Tammy, except she picks the most inopportune time to argue that she is right or make a point (Ie when they are supposed to be working). Heidi: should be the 1st woman to go. She adds nothing, does nothing. Every assignment she sporting inappropriate attire, shamelessly flirting and just plain talking too much. She acts like this is a game or something. It is great to see the women kick butt. No offense to the men on this board. But there is a better way than sex!
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Sweetbabygirl
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 1:05 pm
O.T., fashion wise....WTF was up with Ereka's "Rhoda" headband? That was so awful!!
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Essence
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 1:30 pm
I have to hand it to The Apprentice, they didn't let me down. Two weeks into the show and they've got people talking. About what? Not about the smart candidates that are vying for a chance to head up one of Trump's companys, but about how (in this case) Omarosa is making AA women look bad. We saw 2-3 minutes of an entire 'conversation' and everyone is jumping to their own conclusions about what happened. My first reaction was that she did not hear everything Ereka said, and that she heard "black". Did she jump to conclusions? Yes she did. But can any of you honestly say that you have never misheard something or jumped to conclusions about what someone said? And please don't everyone get on their high horse and say "Oh, I would clarify what I heard" because I already know that simply isn't true. People jump to conclusions all the time around here. I do it myself. I think Omarosa has some valid points and suggestions, and it seemed as though some of the others didn't even want to hear her out. They shot her down everytime. Yes she is opinionated, but I think they all are. Yes she thinks highly of herself. How can you not and be as successful as most of them are? Even when she didn't like the campaign they came up with she gave it her all in the presentation and "sold the product". Omarosa appears to be a very intelligent woman who had a bad moment on film. I'm not ready to discount her or any of the other women just yet. We still don't know anything about them. Edited to add, I think the women were over the top with their campaign. That was a bit much for me.
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Tabbyking
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 1:48 pm
well, the expression is the 'pot calling the kettle black', or at least that's how i have heard it for almost 50 years! but i don't believe she meant for one minute the 'black' part to mean someone's skin color. i think they are editing it each week to have us dislike someone intensely. last week, how many of us wanted tammy lee gone in the worst way? and this time, they focused on omarosa. however, the other gal was screaming and carrying on, too. the more mature person would not have to try and get in the last word all the time, but they both wouldn't let it go! poor sam, though, there is no way to edit his dip-shittedness! i tried to give him the benefit of the doubt last week, thinking if he harnessed his energy and used it wisely, and kept his mouth from having diarrhea.... but he is just like a trip-wire on dynamite. i think he is being kept around for now to keep our interest up! i don't have a problem with omarosa being assertive, but i do not personally care for her choice of clothing. she dresses like the high school girls here in town, with the crop tops and short skirts. JMO, of course! but i don't associate bare skin with professional attire.
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Whoami
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 1:53 pm
Oh my goodness! I'm so sorry my comments created such a ruckus. I did not intend to imply that I thought O was a clear representation of AA women. Its just that when someone with an abrasive personality then pulls out the "you don't like me cause I'm Black" thing, it makes me heave. She's using her race as a tool to get permission to be as abrasive and annoying as she wants. And that is a disservice to her race. I guess that's what I was trying to say about her giving AA women a bad name. Because unfortunatly, there are people out there that will catagorize an entire group by the behavior of one (ie, I remember hearing someone say about Rosanne Bar.."she's just another obnoxious fat girl"). To those who were offended by me previous post, especially Dat1ua95, I sincerely apologize. I would never let one (or even a few) individual's behaviors dictate how I should feel about a whole race. I do appreciate you calling my attention to it. We always have something to learn. Please don't leave. I'd rather stay away from this thread myself than to think I'd chased another valued member away. To those who defended me. Thank you. That was courageous of you, and signs of the dear friends you are. A big part of why I love this place.
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Marymc
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:16 pm
as a blonde with somewhat large breasts, i cringe whenever someone with the same acts like a bimbo. (when she bent over that table, i wanted to scream!!) it's a stereotype that has followed me for years. (and yes, i work in advertising) i've had people comment in a very surprised way that they found me intelligent. i know not all blondes are stupid, but whenever one shows up in the media i think, "well, there's another setback". i have a male friend who feels the same way whenever a jewish person acts a certain way in the media. even though not everyone would lump us into a preconceived catagory, there are plenty that do.
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Dat1ua95
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:31 pm
My coworker insisted that I return to read the posts of Whoami, Mocha, and Tex. Whoami, looks like I am guilty as well, of taking statements to heart and not asking for clarification. Essence, I just proved your point. Mocha and Tex, thanks for the insightful posts. Whoami, looks like we learned something from each other. None is as blind as 'she' who refuses to see. My eyes are open again.
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Whoami
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:39 pm
As are mine Dat. Thank you for coming back (and thank you Dat's Coworker for bringing Dat back!). I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive the clumsiness of that offensive post. Can I give you a hug? (if not, don't look.....) {{{Dat}}} You know Essence, you're right about how O was constantly shot down on her suggestions. I'm wondering now if that's because she'd already proven herself to be abrasive and pushy, and the others had already decided to block her out? Or did she become abrasive because they were shooting her down? I still don't like her personality, but I will give her props for going along with the campaign presentation (which I agree with her was a tacky one) once it was decided.
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Zules
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:43 pm
Marymc, as a blonde, large breasted, Jewish woman, I know exactly what you mean!
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Marymc
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 3:02 pm
All right Zules! let's band together...stand up and be counted!
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Tabbyking
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 3:10 pm
now, back to their corporate names......i would have picked something like "Applecorps", with 'corps' as in marine corps sounding like 'core', not corpse! because of new york city being the big apple, the 'core' being the center of an apple, a corporation being a group working together, etc. who is the gal who looks so much like sharon stone?! i knew one of them reminded me of someone and last night my mom stayed overnight on her way down south and she said, "wow, doesn't she look like sharon stone!?" right now, some of the names i can't place yet! (like the men on the bachelorette; it will be easier when they are fewer in number!)
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Shelb724
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 4:05 pm
i also like Omarosa, i think she was just overtired and on edge. i do not agree with her accusation of erika that erika was racist. i really want Omarosa to do well because she is doing everything that i went to school for and got a degree in political science for! i have a feeling that next week, this show will go the way of survivor, where one tribe will deliberately lose so that they can get rid of someone. funny thing tho is that they really don't vote off the person (if that was the case, sam would be gone). but i have a feeling that donald would keep omarosa around, just for the fact that she goes against the grain of the group.
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Mocha
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 4:11 pm
Dat1, glad you came back and hope you also check out the other areas of the board. Rofl Sbg about the 'Rhoda headband'!! I loved that show back in the day. 
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Texaslawdiva
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 4:35 pm
Welcome back Dat. LET'S ALL HAVE ONE BIG GROUP HUG. There don't we all feel better? Peace ladies and gentlemen.
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Trisha1
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 5:31 pm
Hi Everyone! Just had to comment on the origins of the old British saying"Thats like the pot calling the kettle black" A very common saying. I use it frequently in everyday family situations, particularly with squabbling offspring. Years ago in the British Isles, open kitchen ranges were in vogue for cooking and heating food. The recepticle hung from a large hook over the flame,and of course the outside of the pots and kettle were black-hence the "pot calling the kettle black. I was raised in Ireland as a girl and then England and remember my Irish farm cousins homely kitchens with the big kitchen range. I gotta admit though, we aren't looking for the hidden meaning in everyday speech.Race related, thats news to me. I guess when I say "keep your hair on"(another British expression) I should ask my other half who is bald if he has been offended for the last 30 years.
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Sweetbabygirl
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 5:49 pm
Kumbayaaaaaaaaaaaaa my Lorrrrrrrrrd, Kumbayaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! (SBG motioning for all in here to sing this healing song; let's all make a circle....a circle of love!) <runs out of folder>
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Barbiemouse
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 6:07 pm
I am new to posting here, but have been lurking for a couple of years. I love this show and just have to comment. I agree with those who are disappointed with the women. Inappropriate dress and unprofessional behaviour. When they were selected winners last night, they jumped and cheered like it was a basketball game. If they would react like that in a real situation, I think the client might rethink his decision. I felt bad for both Omarosa and Sam last night. Both seem to have started off on the wrong foot with their teams. No one wants to even hear what they have to say. Sam tried a couple of times to make a suggestion and Jason's response was "just do what I tell you." Not good leadership at all. Sam shouldn't have falled asleep in the meeting room, but Jason deserved to be the one fired last night. Omarosa was the only woman who seemed to want a more tasteful presentation. But when the time came for the presentation, she was the epitome of professionalism. You would never know she didn't like the concept at all. In the real world that is a valuable skill. In the limo after the dinner she had a headache, had been awake for almost 24 hours straight and needed some rest. Unfortunately the other women didn't feel the same way and couldn't be bothered. The whole situation just made Omarosa and Ereka both look bad. I think after all of this is over, neither one will have the apprenticeship. Going into this they all knew only one person would win. But they had to be aware of the exposure they would be getting and know that it would possibly set them up for positions with other large, prominent organizations. After last night, Omarosa still has a chance, but Ereka seems to be digging her own grave.
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Scorpiomoon
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 6:15 pm
Barbiemouse: Welcome to the world of posting! There's no going back now! I TOTALLY agree with everything you wrote in your post. I said it before, it's too bad these cat fights are overshadowing Omarosa's talent and skills. I hope she stops reacting, takes a different perspective and prevails.
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Yuhuru
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 6:22 pm
I think Omarosa's problem started last week when she attempted to help Tammy, and Tammy came back to the group to confront the other women. I made Omarosa look like a s&%t stirrer instead of a bridge builder. I just really love this show already! Welcome Barbiemouse!!!!!!!!!!
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