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Wapland

Friday, January 16, 2004 - 6:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OH WE ARE LOVING THIS SHOW! DH and I sat glued to the tv set. I kinda like sharing the whole reality tv thing.

I was surprised to see Tammy who was so vilifiled in the editting last week coming across so positively this week regardless of her idea. I wonder what parts of their experiences the editors choose to portray versus what really happened. Do you think The Donald for The Apprentise II will make a deal with a realplayer for live feeds like BB. OHHHHHHH I can only hope and trust me fellow viewers, I would be number 2 in line, only after my hubby. Great show and I am looking forward to lurking about your wonderful opinions.

Mocha

Friday, January 16, 2004 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well the women are up 2 to 0 so I'm thinking next week the men really need to kick it up a notch. Which unfortunately will mean Sam stays around a lil bit longer. His personality type really isn't good for working with a team.

Texasdeb

Friday, January 16, 2004 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the women are due in the boardroom next wk. I don't remember seeing any previews last night. Did I miss something?

Tobor7

Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This show is great. I think I like it better than Survivor.

The board room stuff is GREAT!

Sam needs to go. He brings nothing to the table and is disruptive. I do not know why DT is keeping him. Unless he pulls a rabbit out of a hat, he can't win. He went to SLEEP on the job! I would have fired him on the spot.

The ad agency looked like a dump. The floors were unfinished. The walls of the board room looked like raw sheetrock. I hated it. I wouldn't want to work there and if I was their client, I wouldn't want to visit either. The "bull pen" of cubicles looked like a "cold call phone scam company. Did they just move into that place? Yuck.

If it was so important to meet with the head of the company, then the head of the company should have made the decision as to which ad campaign they would have used. There is no way they would have used the girls' package. The guys didn't understand that Howie was going to make the choice... not based on the final product but on the "outside the box" thinking.

The thought behind NOT meeting with the jet company prez is that... he will give you ideas and then you are stuck with those ideas. If you do not use them... then you "didn't listen" at the meeting. If you listen, then all you are doing is playing back what they gave you. In this situation, NOT meeting with him is a risk, but allows you to ACT and not RESPOND. The problem is... they played it too safe-- they didn't think outside the box. One of the other guys said it... The girls had the sizzle, and the guys had the steak. Everyone knows the sizzle sells the steak.

The dressing up in stew uniforms was a joke (not ha-ha) and I am shocked that Howie didn't call them on it. They wasted valuable time dressing up, buying flight wings and scarves. If Howie was doing an ad campaign for the NFL, he wouldn't send his creative team into the pitch meeting dressed in football uniforms. The girls TV spot was 2 screen titles. For an unknown company, it did nothing. They actually didn't even shoot a commercial. The pitch idea should speak for itself. Everything else is a distraction. A good ad man will "tell you" that good advertising is about throwing a rock through your window and then selling you unbreakable glass.

(I will say I liked their photos. It was very creative and artsy. Plus they won because they sold themselves. Not the product. Their campaign was not usable.)

As far as elimination rules... DT didn't ask all the guys which one should get fired this time. Seems the rule is... the project manager picks 2 others and then DT picks out of the three. But we only have 2 shows to go on. We'll see if that holds true.

Does not look like a good idea to be the project manager at this stage of the game.

Pamy

Friday, January 16, 2004 - 10:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
SBG..you have made me laugh all nite and I come here and find your Rhoda comment! ROTF!!

Welcome Dat, Hope to see you around, it was very heartwarming to see how you and Who handled everything here.

Scorpiomoon

Friday, January 16, 2004 - 10:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"Donny Deutsch is chairman and CEO of Deutsch Inc., a $2.4 billion ad agency that boasts such notable clients as Revlon, Snapple, Coors, Tommy Hilfiger and Bank of America."

I think they were able to become a "a $2.4 billion ad agency" by saving on furniture and decent office space.

All what I can remember from the previews is Sam get to be PM. You just know the men will end up back in the board room.

Tobor7

Friday, January 16, 2004 - 10:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL Scorpiomoon!

"I think they were able to become a "a $2.4 billion ad agency" by saving on furniture and decent office space."


Too funny!

Pamy

Friday, January 16, 2004 - 10:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Welcome Barbiemouse...do you collect Barbies?

Babyboo

Friday, January 16, 2004 - 11:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's probably best not to say anything other than Omarosa may not be far off the mark when it comes to Erica, she seems rather sneaky in my opinion.

Also, like someone said in a previous post, they do so much editing with these reality shows that you really don't know what took place.

Rslover

Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 12:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tabbyking,
There are already alot of companies with Apple in their name so Trump would have hated that.

This was in the paper today-
Donny Deutsch impressed producers with his guest spot so that he is now in talks to create a reality series of his own. Deutsch's CNBC talk show "The Big Idea" prompted network execs to make it a weekly primetime series.

Slothkitten

Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 5:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tobor, I thought the women dressing as attendants was lame, too.
I want to like the women.
But, so far I'm enjoying the men much more, Sam The Sham excluded.

Enjoying " Money " as the intro music, lol.

Omarosa did not play well with the others.
I think she may have a lot on the ball . . but don't see her as a team player, of course this could change by next week.


Tobor, that ad agency WAS a hole!
Bunker decor.

I was taken aback with Trumps weird handshaking technique.
He grasps the hand and does a quick pull back toward himself, still holding on to the other guy!
It looked like he was gonna wrestle.

I can't wait for next week!

Deesandy

Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 6:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I got the impression that Sam the Sham will be in charge of the men's group next week. Interesting...

Maris

Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 6:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The agency's decor is not unlike many dot.com agencies down in chelsea. The minimalist approach with no offices but expensive chairs, lol. They love spending money on their chairs and foosball tables.

I agree about the attendant's outfits, I thought of Catch me if you can as they all walked in to the room. I feel very let down by the women in this show. Their inability to work together is really pathetic and their unprofessional demeanor is embarrassing. I guess I was the onl one who saw the bit where Tammy sat down at that early meeting with her legs spread apart. She doesnt even know how to sit properly. I thought Omarosa dressed better this past week compared to others and Heidi, I cringed.

Slothkitten

Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 7:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes, Deesandy, looks like Sam the Sham Flim Flam Man ( ok, I'll stop ! )is taking the point next
week. Did you notice he's still wearing Troys hat! lol.

I'm cringing watching the women, Maris.
I really want to cheer them on, but so far . .

Costacat

Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
For those of you who wondered why Donald Trump fired Jason and not Sam... Jason made the mistake of not talking to the client (and yes, in business, that is a HUGE mistake), and was held accountable for his actions. IMNSHO, that was why Donald said it was "a hard decision." I think he really wanted to fire Sam, but needed to show that the project manager is accountable for the failure (or success) of a project. In the real world, the people who head a failed project ARE fired.

As far as the race issue, I do think Omarosa opened the door herself. Although I'm not sure how much I really like Erika, Erika's expression when Omarosa accused her was pretty much right on (like, "WHAT are you talking about?"). Personally, I don't like Omarosa (I think she has a chip on her shoulder the size of Manhattan).

WRT to Duetche's facilities... that is still a popular office design, even now, and is similar to the interior design of an ad agency in which I worked previously. Even now, in a high-rise building downtown, for a software development company, we have open ceilings in areas where you can see pipes. Believe me, that interior does NOT save money... you spend a lot of money on heating open space. OTOH, open spaces like that do encourage teamwork and that is important in a creative group.

I agree that the women's team set the women's movement back, but I don't think they were that far off (a little TOO close to the edge maybe). Sex sells and the target audience for the airline card would've been men. Whether the client would've used the print campaign, they probably would've used the 30-second spot (which was substantially toned down).

Pamy

Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I can't wait to see Sam as the PM. If they really want him out they should totally screw up and make it look like his fault

Tobor7

Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 2:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If Sam is the PM the guys will win this week. Not because of him, but because the girls have too much tension between them and the teams need to be evened up.

I will eat this post if the girls win next week!

As far as the agency offices... I've been in almost every major ad agency in NYC. The midtown agencies are up-scale on high floors with a view and expensive design. The ones downtown are like loft dumps using the "trendy" excuse. It is just not my taste or style. (1) I would never have offices like that. (2) I would never hire an agency with offices like that and (3) I would never work in an agency with offices like that.

Rslover

Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
When you look at the ads next to each other, the women win hands down. Those plane shots really hit the mark.

click here to view ads{http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Apprentice/ad_campaigns/marquis_jet_card_protege.shtml}

Realfan

Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 12:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Glad I'm not the only one who thought that agency looked like a hole! I've been in all kinds of offices, too, and that one just looked uncomfortable. Not minimalist/classy, just minimalist/ugh.

At first I thought the concrete was just in the arcade hallway leading to the offices (where the scooter boy conveniently zipped by--no staging in that shot, of course!). Then they entered reception--which looked a lot like the waiting area for the Staton Island Ferry. What caught my eye right off was the huge crack in the concrete floor leading to the reception desk. Yah, real classy there. :P

Tobor7

Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 1:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hahahahah The scooter boy! (Glad you mentioned that Realfan!) I thought I was the only one who noticed that! What a joke that was. I wonder how many takes they did to get that right? LOL


Rslover-- I will follow up on my observations of the 2 ads... but just take a good look at them and ask yourself... "What do I know after looking at the picture." It's not like that jet company is a well known brand. Neither ad told you, "What is it? What does it do? Why do I need it?"

Are you buying the jet? Are you buying a branded credit card? Do you get frequent flyer miles with the use of the card? Why is there a card to begin with? (BTW- the design of the card sucks. The agency should start by fixing that card to begin with.
)

Scorpiomoon

Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 1:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tobor7: So what you're basically trying to get at is Southwest needed this ad campaign more than Marquis Jet Card, right? :)

Tobor7

Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 2:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL with Scorpiomoon!

(Are you checking my posts at the Airline show thread?!)

I still don't understand what the deal is with the "card" part of Marquis Jet Card. I watched an hour show about 2 teams doing an ad campaign for the company and I still don't understand how it works. Do you own part of the jet? Do you rent it by the hour? By the flight? Do you split the flight with other people you don't know? Like a private charter? You would think they would have discussed this to design the campaign. You would think that we (as viewers) would have gleaned SOME knowledge about what the DEAL is. Why the freaking card?!?!

From an editorial point of view... they should have showed more of the meeting that the girls had with the company prez. That way we (as viewers) would have understood WHY they did what they did and WHY it was so important that they had the meeting. Especially since the guy was fired because he didn't take the meeting.

Did the girls really respond to the direction that the company prez pushed them in? If so they should have showed that. (And if so... then they must have said... "We don't really know what the deal is going to be... so fudge it.")

Essentially a third of the show was an ad for Marquis and a third was an ad for the agency. Both of them poor.

The interior designer of the agency should shoot himself.


I have to state that I really like this show. If I didn't I would not spend the time writing about it.

Slothkitten

Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 7:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Realfan . . forgot about the scooter man, lol.
He was slow, too.When I saw him, my question was . . if they are the hottest, why isn't that guy on one of those Segways!

Costacat

Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If you don't understand the Marquis Jet card, I would suggest you go look at their Web site (www.marquisjet.com). It's a very simple concept. And no, you do not share the jet with anyone else when you use the Marquis Jet card.

Tweety

Monday, January 19, 2004 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If Marquis doesn't like the women's campaign, maybe they should pitch it to Richard Branson?

Lilfair

Monday, January 19, 2004 - 7:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Good one, Tweety. You made me laugh, thanks.

Curious1

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 3:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In the previews it shows Omarosa and another girl screaming at each other. It doesn't look like Ereka to me, does anyone know who it is?

Maris

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Could have been Tammy, she doesnt get along with Tammy either.

Essence

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It looked more like one of the girls that we haven't heard much from. From looking at the pictures in Puttergirl's poll thread it kind of looks like Katrina. I'm not positive, but that's who it looks like to me.

Meridian

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 7:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Scooters, scooters, everywhere! From ad agencies in New York to American Idol competitions, scooters seem to be the ticket to success.

Ryan Seacrest should have given the scooter to Sam the Sham (the Flim Flam Man LOL) as a good luck charm.