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Enbwife

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Me too Llkoolaid - there I was watching the whole thing when I said I wouldn't. These guys are worse than the first batch. Can't wait to see what happens when the hunks arrive.

I would love to see an "Average Jane" show with some hot guy and 15 "average" girls.... Wouldn't that be fun???

Mack

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 12:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought it was just me. DW said she couldn't take another AJ and went off to the computer. Told her I'd be right there after I watched the start of the show.....watched the whole thing! Actually, part of it for me at least, and now I see I have "company", was that these group was far worse than the first and it was like watching a train wreck. It also seems that the "studs" are also the far opposite, even more than the last group of "pretty boys". After I swore I wouldn't do it I think I'm hooked. :-)

Crossfire

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK, time to fess up. We all came back for a peek at version 2. :)

Though I was all stressed out by suddenly having a number of things on at the same time following a bout of nothing good on tv ever.

I'll be around until at least the point where the hotties are brought in, then will probably be stuck because I need to see the outcome.

Laura11103

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I didn't watched the first AJ but I enjoyed AJ2. They really dug into the barrel for this motley crew. I didn't blame her for her reaction, as mean as it is, there were maybe 2-3 out of that bunch that were okay looking and I'm including the guy with the decorative beard, I have a feeling she's gonna fall for him. They have the artist thing in common.

I can't compare Larissa to Melana cuz I didn't watch AJ, but Larissa is alright to me, I would also like to see her un-done-up and see how great she looks.

Realfan

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It was interesting enough. Have to see where it goes. I have no strong feelings yet Re: Melena vs. Larissa. I know I would have freaked, too, being in her situation. I'm no beauty queen, but those guys were NOT easy to look at.

I agree about wondering why she kept ALL the overweight guys. I would have kept the chef, though--his occupation intrigues me and he seems cool. I like that he acknowledges he's gained a lot of weight since becoming a professional chef, as acknowledging it is the first step toward getting it off again.

I got the feeling she really disliked the Adam Sandler lookalike right off the bat, and her cool stare at him didn't help him to speak coherently to her. I would have kept him.

I would have probably kept short guy, too, but I'm only 5'0"! Dave would have been history, along with the ass-comment guy. He seemed cool at first, but that grossed me out. 50's guy was interesting--but so not in the way I find attractive. Maybe if a gal is really into Elvis... Artist guy seems like a real contender for Artist Larissa.

Where's Kathy Griffin? I miss her! I guess her snark didn't work so well on the first version, so they decided not to use her for this one. Too bad.

What weirds me about this whole concept is the assumption by the producers that this is about looks vs. charm (as stated at the end), or looks vs. personality. Who's to say the ugly guys have more charm (highly unlikely!! They haven't honed their charm on nearly as many women, have they?), and personality is in the eyes of the company they keep. I mean, there are a lot of happily married men I would never marry, and--though he's the perfect match for me--I'm sure a lot of women would find my husband not right for them. A personality match is personal preference and the right fit. Anyway, as weird a show as it was, Mr. Personality had a better way of testing the looks vs. personality concept.

Still, I'd love to see the reverse, with Plain Janes, but the producers would really have to be careful to pick a deep guy who wouldn't bolt and would give them a chance. And I'd LOVE to see the ladies receive a make-over halfway through.

I'd love to see that for the guys, too. So much of their appearance is utterly fixable--Adam just needed a better shave and clothes, and the same is true of a lot of these guys--hair, facial hair, clothing, bleaching of teeth for that guy with braces. Fix yourself up before you consider dating models, because appearance matters to them.

Oh, another thing. I think these guys can be just as shallow as the women. I was highly annoyed by that one guy who said he was in the marching band and wished he could have dated cheerleaders. Heck, I was in the marching band--nice, fun, smart girls are in the marching band. Did it even occur to him to date a girl who was also in the marching band? Grrr....

Max

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
While I think it might be interesting to watch a "Plain Jane" version of this show, it really isn't all that realistic.

The whole premise here is based on pretty girls who walk around saying things like "looks don't really matter to me, it's personality that counts." Of course, as they are saying this stuff, they are usually dating male models or older guys with tons of money or whatever.

The show is designed to see if what these gals SAY will actually match up with what they will DO.

Men, on the other hand, don't generally go around saying stuff like that. Men are visually-based creatures and don't usually hesistate to say so. Sure, what is visually appealing to one might not be to another, but if you take 10 hunky men and ask them what they look for in a woman, I'm betting the top five answers on each list will have to do with looks. A similar list from 10 beautiful women would be likely to have more personality traits in the top five.

Based on last season, the show seemingly proved that Melana was not being honest with herself when she said personality was more important than looks. Unless, of course, they left all the deep and interesting conversations with that hunky guy on the cutting room floor.

Disclaimer: These are, of course, my opinions and there are always exceptions to the generalizations contained within this message. :)

Realfan

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 2:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yeah, I hear you Max. It was actually my husband who was saying last night that they should do a Plain Jane show. I was the one cautioning that they would have to be very careful to pick a non-shallow guy. He didn't think it would work any worse than this premise, generally. I don't think guys want to be seen as shallow any more than women do, though many are up-front and vocal about being attracted to hot women (as these Joes are also doing!).

Being female, I think most women notice looks right off as much as men--they just don't like to admit it, like you said. And they are more likely to be attracted to career and cash because of the traditional drive in our society for women to be supported and protected (goes back to caveman days because women are the childbearers). Which means the producers really should have selected guys with SOMETHING going for them--a great career, cash, whatever. A few have that (the executive chef), but "administrative assistant" and "assistant mail clerk" are not even average-level jobs.

Brenda1966

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 2:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree Max, but will add that these guys aren't "average". If they would really find some nice, average, balding guys with careers and interests and personalities, we would get to test the premise. But when they find socially inept guys who've never had a date or are so overweight it is a health issue, it's really a set up for the girl. The one guy was so nervous he could barely speak. Who wants to go on a date with that?

I completely agree that these guys should be given makeovers to help them dress and learn some social graces.

I'll still be watching this train wreck. :)

Seamonkey

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 3:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Bring in the Fab Five!!!!

Gina8642

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 4:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'd love to see a plain janes show. If you think of all the crap they put on TV that gets zero audience, I would think the risk would be worth it. I'd even go for the mid-season twist and bring forth tons of super models.

One thing I like about Larissa and I liked about Melena. Niether is a stick. Neither are ever going to approach chubby, but they don't have that hollywood stick figure look either. Kinda a nice change of pace...

Added - found this at sucks

Larissa and Melena together at Miss Missouri Comp - Third photo down.

Scorpiomoon

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 5:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
So these women were both associated with the same pageant and knew each other, for what seems like a couple of years, before the show? Am I understanding this right?

Not that this is scandalous or anything, but it seems just as lame as when we hear/heard how casting people were approaching people for Big Brother as opposed to choosing them in a less calculated manner.

Watching2

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 11:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My daughters and I (20 & 22) were watching this last night and there is one thing we agreed on - these were NOT AVERAGE JOES. (Actually the 22-yr-old was only partially watching while using the computer. She's not into these kinds of shows at all.) I think Larissa hit it right on the head when she asked the producers if they DID SOMETHING to make these guys seem even MORE GEEKY and I should add FREAKY! Come on - an Elvis-type? Would any of YOU want to go out with him for any length of time if at all? I kept saying this is a "feak show" not an average guy show, with a few exceptions.

I read something a week or so ago and they said they were going to make this more of a contrast with the guys being of more substance as far as career, personality, etc., and I'm thinking WHERE?? WHO?!!! Maybe two or three of them? The rest had jobs which are no more prestigious than the "pretty boy waiters" have. I didn't see an abundance of "deep personalities" either.

I couldn't have taken that hyper Dave guy more than 10 min. He acts more immature than my son did when he was 12 and not on his ritalin!!! My oldest likes "different/weirder" types of people and she thought the Dave guy was "entertaining". Please, I think I would have wanted to choke him!! LOL

I think my favorites so far are the OCD pool cleaner and I sorta liked the artist, but the facial hair design would totally turn me off. The chef guy seemed nice too. I'm sure there were a few others, but I can't remember from last night anymore!

I also noticed when they had all the guys lined up for pics, one of the heavy guys was covering his chest - he had "man boobs" and it seemed to me they were being mean to put him in that situation of having to show off his body for all to see. It did seem these heavier guys had more attractive faces than the last batch.

On the other hand, when they showed previews, we all were instantly turned off by the guy who made the conceited comment about himself and would kick him to the curb in a min! His personality makes him disgusting.

I really think the producers made a big mistake on this run - they went for more extreme "regular" guys and I also told my daughter that many of them actually COULD BE actors, as we found on the last show. They really ACTED the part of geek as far as I'm concerned, since we all saw pictures of them with their hair different, etc. and it made a world of difference. They are really setting the girl up to look shallow if she chooses a "hunk" which isn't really fair since these not a lot of personality (so far) with the "average guys." I hope I'm wrong and their personalities will shine later on. One can hope anyway, right?!! :)

Crossfire

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 11:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
So which of these guys do we think is the millionaire who will magically make it to the end to give the buff guy a run for his money? (pun not intended) :)

Scorpiomoon

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 11:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, it can't be the stockbroker. That would be too obvious. :)

Crossfire

Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 12:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hehehe. Ok, good call, not the stockbroker. When I get some time, I'll see if I can't dig something up on these fellows.

Seamonkey

Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 12:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Any of them who are ACTING geeky are not being genuine, so why should she want to know them?

having worked with geeks and been one.. they don't all look slobby or geeky.. and they don't all turn into adolescents around women, either.

Watching2

Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 12:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Exactly, Sea! We all agreed that most of the guys we would have loved to date in our 20s (professionals!) were the guys we would have thought were geeks in HS. Now they're the ones laughing all the way to the bank... :) heh heh

Wilsonatmd

Friday, January 09, 2004 - 4:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Since the original Average Joe series thread has been bumped off, I'll post this here.

Melana from season one has a new TV gig. She is going to be the hostess for GSN's (Gameshow Network, soon to be known only as GSN as they make a slight programing shift away from strictly gameshows) casino series "The World Series of Blackjack", taping at the Mohegan Sun casino in Conneticut on January 24 and 25th, to be aired on Mondays at 10pm starting March 15th.

Hummingbird

Monday, January 12, 2004 - 10:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did anyone watch this dopey show tonight? I can't stay all that interested in it since the first one was such a disappointment. I skipped back and forth during "Airline" commercials (a much better show) and missed who left right before the elimination for a personal reason. Does anyone know who that was? Is there even one guy here who has the attraction of Adam Mesh? I don't think so. No guy in this group has an ice cube's chance with this gorgeous woman!

Curious1

Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The guy who left was justin. But obviously the show isn't holding my attention either because when he left I was like "justin who?" and I still haven't figured out if I ever saw him on the show! LOL

Whoami

Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I must have dozed off during the guy who left. I do remember seeing the commercial break saying "6 will leave." Then later, at the elimination, her saying "5 of you..." I thought maybe I'd just heard the 6 part wrong. I guess all that happened as I dozed!

Riviere

Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Don't get the point of this show. Guess every person can get 15 minutes of fame?

Watching2

Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 12:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
geeeeze... I thought I must have heard WRONG, too! I didn't think I missed any of the show, but obviously, I did. Ummm... Justin WHO?!! :)

Jhezzie

Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 1:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I tried to watch, but it's so bad. Most of whatever I saw looked totally staged.

Demeter

Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 5:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It indeed was Justin that left. But he was just a blip on the screen.

She chose well again this time. It was clear she had no connection with those she sent home. Yes, most were heavy, except for Tim(?), the former marine. He was over the top in the boxing match and that was a turn off for her. It would have been for me as well.

She seems semi-connected to the two artists. The one that she initiated the kiss with, and extended the kiss and the other that shot himself in the foot with his quite forward declaration of love for Jesus. He himself said he thought he was trying to put distance between them and was self-sabotaging.

The problem in this case is not so much her pre-judgments, but most of these fellows truly do not know how to talk with a woman. They are so awkward and uncomfortable, it makes it uncomfortable for her.

These fellows are going to be in trouble when the hunks arrive.