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Awareinva

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought you could see the twist coming a mile away.... BUT I think that it would have been 100% better if they had said to Melena: Ok, you can stick with the three guys you know something about OR you can start over with these three hunky guys.

That would have been a great twist IMHO. She would have had to have decided whether to gamble that the good looking ones had personality or be "stuck" with the average guys she claims an attachment to. Much better tv than what we will be getting in the next few weeks it seems.

Gina8642

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Just thinking like a TV producer for a second. If they gave Melena a chance to immediately reject the newcomers the show would have only one more episode - pick the final guy. These producers are in the business of making money. To make money you need to have more than just three or four episodes. Besides, the viewers are all curious if she will treat these new guys different. Only way we'll know is to see and compare (notice the number of posts about her greetings?) Ratings is what it is all about - no episodes, no ratings.

Awareinva

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 3:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yeah, you're right Gina... but I would have loved to see her put on the spot. The way it is set up now she can ditch the #3 hunk guy or John next and then claim that "lo and behold" she had much more in common with hunk #1 or hunk#2 than Zack or Adam after spending some time with them.

But my personal feeling is anyone who goes on this kind of show deserves what they get... and most of them are only out to get publicity for a budding acting career! LOL

Oh and I totally agree with your earlier note about how kissy this girl is!! DH and I were laughing at how she was sucking face with Zach and then Adam... and in the previews hunk#2 sees some action next week! :) Just the way she is I guess, but it kind of gives me pause....

Sunshyne4u

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 7:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Watching Melena on the dates with the guys, it is obvious whom she is truly attracted to by her eyes, facial expressions and body language. I think it is sad that so many of these nerdy guys were so unaware. The swarmy Brad guy for instance, Melena usually had a look on her face like "Dont even try to touch me!!". And when they were in the Limo she looked like she had been sucking on Lemons.
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When she was politely trying not to seem too embarrassed and horrified by John breaking out into song, he thought she liked it. It is this 'misreading' of signals which is the difference between an average guy who goes on dates and Nerds which rarely even get to communicate one on one with a female(let along a good looking one) I still say this show was cruel for some of these guys.

Wendo

Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 1:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've been watching Average Joe as well. As you all, I could see the "twist" coming from a mile away. It was very obvious. And, like many of you, I don't think the "hot" guys are all that and a bag o' chips either.

Personally, I REALLY dig Adam. He is SOOOOO cute! His personality is wonderful, he seems very nice and caring. Just a great fellow. Why can't I meet a guy like him. *sigh*

Looking forward to Monday's show.

Crossfire

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 11:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't know if this is common knowledge, or if it affects everyone, but I just saw a commercial indicating that this starts 30 minutes early tomorrow at 9:30.

Texasdeb

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 5:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I like the concept of "average Joe" but come on guys, some of these guys aren't average in the dating department. Now we have 3 pretty boys, 2 average Joe types & 1 nerd. Why put the nerds in with the average guys? Zack stuck out as an Ahole at 1st because of his fear of being perceived as a nerd more than just being average IMO. Now that many of the nerds truely don't have a chance & most are gone, Zack's personality has warmed. I think Adam handled himself the best of the "average" guys around the nerds. At this point I would like to see Adam & Zack be the final 2.

Gina8642

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 10:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I gotta say I think Melena made the best choices for boots this week. She just didn't seem to have a connection with John. He was sounded more and more 'into' her with every interview and she obviously wasn't. I was really glad she booted him, because to keep him another round would have really been leading him on. Alex too was a good choice. She got the wrong/bad vibe from him during their dinner. She went with the vibe and said bye-bye.

I preview looks like fun. It's obviously Melena in the fat suit. I'm suprised the guys didn't catch on - her eyes are exactly the same. Though, I suppose, if you have no reason to suspect a trick, why would you doubt the identity of someone as they present it to you... Looks like she will finally see the real Zach via a hidden camera. A much better method then having to hear the trash talk from the guy booted last week.

Still enjoying the show. Still like Melena. I mostly am still enjoying Adam. I don't really like the jelosy stuff, although, I suppose it is somewhat understandable.

Eliz87

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 10:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Now that I'm paying more attention, I like Adam too. And I also like the new guy Mike but I think I'm getting snowed by his looks more than his personality!

I agree with you that Melena made the best choices on who to get rid of tonight. John seemed a little too obsessive and that Alex...I was half-listening to their date conversation but heard something about "Prozac" and "on drugs" etc. I don't think he was talking about himself, but perhaps a former girlfriend? I don't know...just a little too much personal information too soon!

And I think that Zach is totally going to blow it next week. If anyone will make "fat" comments, it will be him.

Hippyt

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 11:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
yep,lol,she will finally see how much of a loser he is

Luvtrash

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 1:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
John reads too much into every little thing. He seems like a guy with potential if he would stop seeing himself as a loser and develop a little confidence, and shave off the facial hair (don't guys have mirrors?)--oh, yeah, and refrain from bursting out in song! It is sad that he has such an attitude about himself. When he forgets about it he does well. It was a kindness to send him home.

Just4fun

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Does anyone know if Jason is the same guy who was on the show "Who wants to marry my daughter"? He looks so familiar.

Texannie

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 7:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
When Alex started crying at the final interview, it just broke my heart! I wasn't surprised by the boots tonite either.

Mak1

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 7:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I caught the end of Alex's and John's interviews on Today this morning. Alex said his final interview had been <gasp> edited. His tears occurred when he was talking to the interviewer about his daughter, not about Melena. I always had the impression John was just an actor.

Texannie

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 7:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|84864|1|,00.html

Second 'Average Joe' a Go
(Monday, November 24 02:00 PM)
By Rick Porter


LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - NBC plans to keep playing Cupid for sub-hot men everywhere with a second installment of "Average Joe."
In fact, the arrows have already been slung. A second edition of the series has been shot and will debut soon after the current one ends, NBC Entertainment President Jeff Zucker told reporters Monday (Nov. 24).

"We thought we had something special there, and we put a second cycle in the can before 'Average Joe' ever went on the air," Zucker says.


"Average Joe" has been a minor hit for NBC in its early episodes, drawing a little over 10 million viewers a week and performing strongly among the network's favorite subset of viewers, adults 18-49. On the show, former Kansas City Chiefs cheerleader Melana Scantlin chooses from a group of guys who don't conform to the typical dating-show aesthetic standards.
Last week's episode revealed a twist in the game, as host Kathy Griffin introduced three six-packed himbos who will compete with the remaining three Joes to compete for Melana's affections.

Zucker says the back-to-back shooting and airing of the two "Average Joes" follows the same pattern the network used this summer with "For Love or Money," a "Bachelor"-like show that featured a twist: The women (and, in the second edition, men) were playing for cash as well, unbeknownst to the person choosing them.

"With 'For Love or Money 2,' people didn't see how we could do it again," Zucker says. "We did, and it's because we did it right away and had it in the can before 'For Love or Money 1' ever went on the air."

NBC wanted to keep the surprise factor of "Average Joe" in play for the second edition of the show. That would have been tough to do had the network waited until the first show aired before shooting the second.

"When you see how the game is played, it does change the game, and it does change the drama," Zucker says. "I think that was the big advantage we had with 'For Love or Money 2,' and you'll see that we have it with 'Average Joe 2.'"

Watching2

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Mak, I also caught the end of the interview. Yep, they edited Alex - I'm shocked.. hahaha. And John has STILL not shaved. He's really not a bad looking guy when he combs his hair and takes off his glasses. Even the glasses aren't bad if he just DOES SOMETHING with himself. He has a huge chip on his shoulder - more like a boulder! All I kept thinking last night was - they're saying they've only been there 14 days! 14 DAYS! and he's already going on how he's just about fallen in love w/her. I'm sorry, but I couldn't help laughing when he sang AGAIN at the dinner table. It's not his looks that do it to him. He's clueless and as Luv said,as to reading situations. How can someone put so much into one little peck and a kiss on the cheek? She was right to send him home before he went into a serious meltdown. Can you imagine if he was there a few more days? OY! LOL

It should be interesting next week. I don't know, those look like "fat suits" to me now after seeing them used on tv/movies so much. Maybe it is because they don't expect anything, that they buy it or maybe it's just because I know it's tv and they use them all the time?! Sounds like Zach does make a nasty fat comment next week. I wonder if any of the other guys react also.

I keep thinking about how that really big guy was so crass and obnoxious talking about "getting some" from her at the beginning. I guess you're only shallow if you say things like that if you're considered good looking? Then they whine about being eliminated because of THEIR looks. It goes both ways guys! I'd like to see how those "average guys" and nerds react to different looking women, like they're doing w/the fat suit, but w/a variety who aren't the beauty queen type. How many of you want to bet they would go for the better looking/slimmer girls, too? I'm sure I'd get an early boot from them! LOL :):)

Texannie

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Mo Rocco was hysterical in that interview!

Watching2

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Totally, Tex!

Catfat

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree about John. He was way too obsessive about her after just a little peck on the cheek. And why doesn't he fix himself up a little? He has a cute face, but he needs to shave off the goatee, which is an obvious attempt to make himself look older. He should get little wire-rim glasses and style his hair into spikes with frosted tips. And ditch that shiny green plastic/leather jacket. Ugh. These are all easy, quick fixes. If he wants a good body, that will take a while longer, but it is doable. Mostly, he should stop whining about how pitiful he is. That is the big turn-off.
Where are those Queer Guys when we need them?
And Alex. I thought he was attractive in a rangy kind of way. But let this be a lesson to you, folks. Don't ever mention the words Prozac, depression or any other illness, even if it is not your own. You will be labeled and ostracized for life.

As far as being short, some women, including me, actually dig short guys.
He could make himself really attractive.

Auntiemike

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've been reading these posts with interest and watching the show faithfully. I think she made the right choices last night for obvious reasons.

I am truly excited to have "the real Zach" revealed to her next week. She has to see it for herself I guess. Unfortunately they will use the "fat" person to do this. This ticks me off as it implies that fat people are substandard and not as worthy of attention and love. Much like the "average joe" isn't either. Doesn't anyone look to see what is inside a person these days????

I am so tired of the shallowness of our society.

OK, I'll get off my soapbox now. I hope Adam remains until the end. He seems to be really comfortable with her and she seems to appreciate his personality and character. I'm hoping she is kind to him, regardless.

Jasper

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Can you say clingy and needy, that is John in a nutshell. He is cute and his build is fine it was his demeanor that was a little bit scary.

As someone who put on quite a bit of weight due to a thyroid problem and has, as of today, lost 38lbs, I had my eyes opened to the treatment of overweight people and agree with auntiemike wholeheartedly.

Yankee_In_Ca

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 1:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have watched this show from time to time, and watched most of it last night.

I have a few thoughts (in addition to agreeing with some that have already been stated above):

1) There is NO WAY that Melena will NOT pick one of the two remaining "average Joes". It would hurt the integrity of the series -- and people would be in an uproar about "What does this say about our society, blah, blah, blah..." if she picked one of the model guys instead. If that had happened, I'm sure they wouldn't have greenlighted a second series. And in interviews, she has talked about how happy people will be with the outcome of the show.

2) And, I'm sorry to say, I think if she does pick one of the guys left (Zach or Adam), I'll keep thinking it's a Evan Marriott/Zora Andrich thing -- that she chose the Average guy to "make a statement for TV" and because she doesn't want to look bad to the nation, and not necessarily because it was what she wanted. Of COURSE, I don't know what she is thinking, but those are my gut feelings. I'll bet she picks Adam, since the producers "advise" her and are well aware that Zach has acted like an ass (if she had picked Zach, my guess is that they wouldn't have even shown the egg on the head incident -- it would have been edited out). Again, just my gut feeling.

Yankee

Lauram

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 3:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yankee I do agree with you that she must pick an average joe so as to keep the integrity of the show. But although Adam is a nice guy, I just don't see him as her type. And Zack, I don't know maybe she does like the bad boy. So I don't think she has a real good choice threre.

Texannie

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 7:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/

Average Joe's Dennis and Tareq are actors; Tareq will guest on Miss Match.
First comes a report from Gawker today that Average Joe average guys Adam and Zach, the two dorky guys who remain on the show, knew each other prior to taping. Well, okay. There may be almost 300 million people in the US, but we all know that geeks (dorks?) tend to stick together, especially when being humiliated in front of 10 million people. But two of the other "average" guys, Dennis and Tareq, are apparently actors, in addition to the identities they presented on the show. Reader Jess reports that message board hounds unearthed two URLs that reveal two unaverage lives: Dennis Luciani's "theatrical resume" includes a list of his film and TV roles. There are also photos; one is titled slick.jpg and shows a slightly less rumpled image than fans of the show are familiar with. Tareq Kabir's bio (scroll down) appears along with other actors on the web site of a film titled First Interview. The bio calls him "[a]n enormously talented young actor with a captivating and enslaving method and a natural chameleonic ability." Don't we know it. His resume mentions his PhD -- but only after lines and lines of his stage and film roles; his personal web site transcends definition. The reality TV show gig apparently worked its media ••••• magic: Tareq's appearance has led to a guest spot on the Dec. 15 episode of Alicia Silverstone's NBC series Miss Match. Maybe someone will be watching Miss Match by then.

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Realfan

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I knew about Dennis and Tareq having acting careers. I wonder about John faking it. It's hard to believe a director's assistant in Hollywood woulda be so clueless. Apparently he works for a solid director and has met several famous celebrities. Surely someone would be kind enough to give the guy fashion advice (if he needed it.)

There is nothing NOT average about John except his attitude. He looks like numerous college professors or movie industry people (when I first saw him, I immediately thought "young George Lucas"). Tons of women would go for him, if he didn't ACT like such a loser.

Melena made the right choices this week, for sure. I loved seeing the clips of her thoughts and the guys in the house interacting. The Bachelor doesn't do enough of this. I like knowing and expecting particular individuals to be picked over others. It's just as fun--if not more satisfying--than a surprise ending.