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Ohiomobprincess
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11-07-2003

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 11:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree. Jamie and Jaquese are way too normal and mild mannered to receive any air time.

I do love the EW reviews. I just might stop watching the show and just go online to see what happened.


Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 11:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
But think about it.. being too normal to get much airtime on THIS show is a GOOD THING!!

Mamie316
Member

07-08-2003

Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 10:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oy Vey! That's all I can say about tonight's show.

Azlen
Member

08-27-2000

Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 11:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Josh seems to be on the top of his game this evening.

If the ''Real World: San Diego'' roommates have jet lag, I think I have episode lag. A week after watching the chaos and lunacy that was the Greece trip, I still can't sleep well, and have constant headaches and blurred vision. This state of mind was actually fortuitous, since it allowed me to really relate to drunk Robin in the May 11 episode.

In case you forgot, Robin was happily in love with her boyfriend, Mike. But because she's old-fashioned, they've been dating for a month and still haven't slept together. I have to say, this news surprised me: Considering how it was just a couple of months ago that she crawled into Randy's bed naked, I didn't think ''hard to get'' was in her vocabulary. That is, unless the sentence was, ''It sure is hard to get sangria stains out of your hair.''

When the whole gang went out -- along with Randy's visiting friends from Boston -- Robin proved just how old-fashioned she can be: When she gets drunk, she doesn't want to have sex, she wants to get married. ''I want to spend the rest of my life with you,'' she slurred. ''Marry me,'' said Mike, setting himself up for a union that would make Britney Spears' Vegas betrothal seem well-considered. Look, I can forgive the producers for not interfering when the roomies are drinking unhealthy amounts of alcohol, or when Frankie acts insane, but I draw the line here -- somebody should have dragged Mike away for his own good. Where's the humanity?

Of course, Robin being drunk, the magic only lasted as long as her walk to the nearest tequila shooter. Drinking mass quantities of alcohol is like going to work for Robin -- she has to do it as a bartender at Coyote Ugly. So why does a pro boozer act so much like an amateur? After overindulging, she did her favorite street performance: yelling at people waiting in line and giving them the finger.

By this point, the ''Real World''ers have been out on the town so much that everyone in San Diego must know about the Busty Reality-TV Girl Who Goes Crazy. It's probably the default pastime for bored San Diegans: ''There's no good movies out, and I don't feel like drinking. Let's go stand outside of Bennigan's and get the 'Real World' girl to take a swing at us.''

Mike was surprised -- and disgusted -- to see this side of her. He asked the roommates, ''Is this how she always is?'' No! Sometimes she smells of gin, not whiskey. Or was that not what he was looking for? He stormed off, and she staggered after him, wailing, ''Baby, please don't leave me!'' Hey, what if Robin and Mike do end up getting married, and have kids, and in about 10 years those children are watching an MTV retro ''Real World'' rebroadcast and see Mommy drunkenly weeping and chasing Daddy down the street? And to think I was nervous about my future kids seeing old photos of me in a bad haircut.

Robin eventually dragged herself into a cab, and her dramatic weeping made it seem like she told the driver, ''Take me to Suicide Point!'' Turns out she just rode to Mike's parking space. Boy, there's nothing taxi drivers like more than a 50-cent fare. She jumped in Mike's car and refused to get out, and after her pride proved impervious to his tough love (''Who are you? Look at yourself!''), he exhaustedly got in the car and drove her home, where he apparently had sex with her five times, as she later bragged to her roomies. It's that old love-story chestnut: Boy meets girl, girl disgusts boy, boy has sex with woman when she won't get out of his car. When they make the movie version of this classic romance, I hope they cast Clay Aiken and Courtney Love.

By episode's end, Robin wasn't the only who had tasted romance. Randy had fooled around with his friend from Boston in his party tent… a tent that Robin and Mike later canoodled in. (Considering that was the tent where Brad and Cameran once hooked up, I think even Smokey the Bear would recommend burning it down.) And then, in what passes for an uplifting ending on ''The Real World,'' the house celebrated love and commitment by going out to a ''Pimps and Hos'' party. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go talk Cupid down off a ledge


Froggiegirl621
Member

02-14-2003

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 6:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL! That is HILARIOUS! Too funny!!!

Ohiomobprincess
Member

11-07-2003

Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 8:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Azlen- What a fantastic recap!!!!

Max
Member

08-12-2000

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 12:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Okay, seriously. I looked for my dictionary, but I can't find it right now. Someone PLEASE check and see if Frankie's picture is next to the definition for VICTIM!!!

Please someone get this girl to a psychiatrist! She has serious issues and NONE of them seem to be her fault. She can't go home because mom will be mad. She can't be happy for Dave and his band because she can't be there with him. It goes on and on and on. She's so depressed, I'm surprised she didn't grab another steak knife and run to the bathroom.

Good grief.

Her 12-year-old sister can see the pattern, that's how bad it is. (Loved when sis said Frankie has been trying for years and years to be happy, but never is. Hello? This is a major clue that the girl needs help!)

I feel bad for her to some extent, but my patience has worn thin. It's just plain tedious to try and deal with someone who constantly blames everyone and everything else for her problems. And if anyone ever gets close to the real issue, she sidesteps it and changes the subject or leaves the room.

If I was stuck living with someone like her, I think I'd be grabbing her by the shoulders and trying to shake some sense into her. It would not be pretty.



Alisons
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01-10-2003

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 4:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I couldn't believe the disrespectful way she (Frankie) was treating her mother. I thought it was interesting how they contrasted Jamie's attempts to honor and get to know her mother better with Frankie's spoiled wailings. My take on Frankie - SPOILED. Probably her parents have been giving in to her all of her life because of her disease.

I think I have missed something about Jamie's background - if she can't speak Korean and her mother can't really speak English, who raised her? She had to learn to talk from someone.

Lauram
Member

07-13-2000

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 7:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
alisons -- I also was a bit confused as to how Jamie couldn't communicated (literally) with her mother. They didn't even speak the same language. WOW!

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
When Frankie was whining about wanting to go home, I just wanted to jump through the tv screen and say "here, let me help you pack"!

Azlen
Member

08-27-2000

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A couple of things confuse me. First is why did Frankie ever decide to be on the show, it just doesn't make any sense. It seems like she has hated it from the start. Secondly is I can only guess that Jamie wasn't raised by her parents. That would be the only reason I can think of as to why they literally didn't speak the same language.

Anyway here is Josh Wolk's review.

Most seasons of ''The Real World'' have a roommate who antagonizes everybody. But as annoying as they are, fans can't imagine the house without them: wackos are a critical part of the ''Real World'' checks and balances system. Without Puck in San Francisco, Judd's sensitive-guy mooning would have been intolerable. And New Orleans Danny's pining for his blurred-out boyfriend was a goopy, repetitive love story, but worked as a sorbet cleansing the palate from the delt-flapping, flow-going, scat-happy antics of David.

So you would think that the misanthropic Frankie, for all her disgruntlement and bitterness, would prove an integral part of the San Diego group. So why, when she loudly proclaimed that she wanted to leave the show, did I want to leap into the screen and help her pack?

Because there's no earnest characters in the house for her to provide the counterpunch, that's why. We've got all the ninny behavior we need, what with Robin's self-centered binging and Brad's paleolithic grunting, At least you can laugh at them: With Frankie you can only cringe and block your ears.

Frankie is convinced that everyone in the house hates her, and reacts to this by acting like a complete jerk, thereby teaching MTV listeners the definition of ''self-fulfilling prophecy.'' To provide evidence for why the roommates might be less than fond of her, she repeatedly demonstrated her patented Frankie method of argument: throw out a random accusation, then storm out of the room with a sarcastic, ''Whatever you say'' when the person tries to defend themselves with logic. (That's right: I just intimated that the ''Real World'' roomies were capable of logic. Granted, I'm not talking about LSAT-test logic. I'm referring more to an ''If I stick my tongue in a toaster and feel pain, perhaps I shouldn't stick my tongue in a toaster'' level of deductive reasoning. But still, one has to give credit where credit is due.)

Frankie's mother, stepfather, and sister arrived to visit in between her crying jags, and she filled them in on just how much she hated her roommates. Frankie stubbornly told her mother, ''I didn't come out here to make friends.'' So why exactly did she come out? For the piercings? For the snakes? For the eye-rolling? It certainly wasn't for the big boats.

One of her main complaints is that the others all make fun of her behind her back, which is odd since most of Frankie's onscreen appearances are marked by her mocking the others to the camera. I'm always torn watching such critiques, since one can't argue with her conclusion that they're all dunderheads… and yet she's just as irritating. It's like Keanu Reeves coming up to you and saying, ''Man, Chuck Norris is one bad actor!'' Yeah, he's right, but…

As much lip service as she pays to hating her roomies, she's not above going to them for comfort. She picked Brad to moan to about her anxieties. Brad carefully thought about her troubles, analyzed them, and replied, ''Anxiety's a real .'' Look out Dr. Phil, there's a new straight-talkin' shrink in town! I wouldn't be surprised if MTV gives him his own advice show: ''Today, on 'Dr. Brad,' why insecurity totally sucks, dude! And tune in tomorrow for 'Bulimia: The only reason to be pukin' is if you had a fifth of Jack.'''

Frankie explained that she wants to leave because her cystic fibrosis has made her want to live life to its fullest -- which she can't do here. But isn't the point of ''living life to its fullest'' that you make every moment count, no matter the circumstances? I believe the philsophy goes, ''Every day is a gift,'' not, ''Every day is a gift… provided there's something good on TV and my boyfriend's around and I'm eating pizza where the crust isn't too crispy.''

As Frankie's sister, the wise Mamie, pointed out, the roommates are not likely the problem: Frankie would be miserable anywhere. Now she was miserable because she couldn't be at Dave's Halloween gig. But if she came home for his show, she'd just end up pissed because he didn't point his amp far enough in her direction.

Meanwhile, some sort of clerical error resulted in Jamie actually getting some screen time. Her mother came to visit, and Jamie was determined to get to know her better. Apparently they can't relate literally AND figuratively: Jamie doesn't speak Korean well enough to talk with her mother. It was kind of shocking to see a 20-year-old asking her mother how old her own father was, and how her folks even met.

Even more shocking was the fact that Jamie took part of the blame for this communication gap, which is hardly the ''Real World'' way. Compare this to how Frankie wailed that she wanted to leave the show, but couldn't because her mother would be disappointed in her. Frankie managed to take her own self-generated misery about a situation that her mother had nothing to do with -- let alone not even being in the same state as -- and made it Mom's fault. I'll bet at that moment Frankie's mom would have killed for a language barrier.


Mamie316
Member

07-08-2003

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 8:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I would like to be the president of the Josh Wolk fan club. This guy is a genius! I go on EW.com every Tuesday night right after Real World so I can have my laugh of the day.

Meemo
Member

08-22-2002

Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
so what happened to Frankie's "phobia" of big boats. i noticed when she and jamie where cleaning the boat there was a huge boat in the back ground. must have been one of those 24-hour phobias.

Ohiomobprincess
Member

11-07-2003

Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 10:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wonder if Jamie was adopted? That might explain why she couldn't communicate with her Korean mother.

Guinevere
Member

03-15-2001

Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
There's been some discussion of Jamie's situation over at the TWOP boards. Some people of Korean descent have weighed in and said that it's really not that uncommon for there to be a language gap between first and second generations. Apparently, it's common in some of these families for the parents to be very focused on work - working 10-12 hours a day, six days a week. There may not be a lot of communication between the parents and children aside from basic instructions (like brush your teeth, do your homework, etc).

Also, it's possible that the children know Korean at one time but don't use it that much after they start school, and thus lose their fluency.

It seemed bizarre to me, but from what some people are saying, it's not a unique situation.

Texasdeb
Member

05-23-2003

Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 5:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The Inferno had 4 former Paris RW players. Just speculating that maybe 4 of this season RW folks will be in the next season, who would you like to see & why:
Brad - he looks like he could be athletic & he is good for drama.
Randy - I don't know about him.
Jacq. - for sure, his "diary rm" comments are right on & funny.
Robin - right on. Drama, drama, drama.
Carmen - She's a girl eye candy so I say bring her & leave the <QT> behind (Trishelle).
Jamie - I think she would be very competitive, so yes.
Frankie - HE!! NO...... haven't we shared her self torture enough already.

Ohiomobprincess
Member

11-07-2003

Friday, May 28, 2004 - 6:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'd like to see:
Brad- he'll hook up with anyone
Robin- drama queen
Cameron- "innocent" and nice to look at, but no real substance
Jamie- an actual competitor, may actually help RW win

Danzdol
Member

04-21-2001

Friday, May 28, 2004 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Meemo that is true! Whatever happened to the boat phobia?

I too was taken aback by the fact that Jamie could not communicate with her mother. I grew up learning Spanish and then when I was 8 I came to live in the US and learned to speak English. At no point has there been a communication problem. There are some words that I do not know a translation for but I can certainly explain it to my mom. I find it harder to get some modern ideas accross her head (like going out for a mom's night out without my husband)then I do a language barrier. Probably just because she is so much more traditional but not so much the language.Maybe this is what Jamie meant.

Laura11103
Member

08-13-2002

Friday, May 28, 2004 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Robin would get drunk and fight with someone for sure, probably Veronica, lol.

Brad would definitely have a good ole time!

Jacq, would love to see Jacq anywhere.

Cameron... hmmmmmm, not sure.

Frankie, god NO!

Jamie, such a sweet girl, she'll do good at everything she does I'm sure.

Mamie316
Member

07-08-2003

Tuesday, June 01, 2004 - 10:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well Frankie is gone. Flew home in her gothic Juliet costume. Going to live with Dave in a big house. Mom's not too happy but everyone is San Diego was thrilled including the Mario Bros.

Alisons
Member

01-10-2003

Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 4:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, I wonder how Dave has ended up reacting now that he has seen all of Frankie's drunken hookups? She may not be living in the big house any more! Oh wait, that would require Dave to have some self respect......

Blacksheep
Member

10-18-2003

Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Finally I can start watching RW again, after the first episode of this season and seeing what a negative panty waste Frankie was I couldn't fathom watching her daily dramafest - I can't stand people like her, it's like fingernails against chalkboard for me, to the point that I'd like to strangle someone!
I've lost alot of interest with RW over the years, but always give it a shot at mindless entertainment (always what I'm looking for on Monday & Tuesday nights at 10pm). But this chick takes the cake, nothing but a therapist and some serious meds will make this girl happy, she's a self depressant, and Dave seems to be an enabler (sp?) - great duo!
Talk about being completely self centered, she had no qualms saying she had NO friends and everyone hated her, yet Jaime and Jaq both spent time with her and attempted to bond. That tells you how much she really gave a rats a$$ about either of them. Frankie likes to make excuses - it's rather pathetic, ante up beotch.
On the side, if I was one of the roomies, when she asked everyones opinion (ie, wanting them to beg for her to stay) I woulda been like...you need some help packin'? And literally helped her out the door.
Anyhow, I'm just glad that I can now watch the show again, in it's full length without being forced to change channels everytime Frankie Drama comes on.

Btw, I read on MTV boards (yes I'm a geek...sometimes) that she posted that her comment about being "too punk for RW" was sarcasm. Suuuuuuure it was Frankie, always making excuses for what you say and do, so typical.

/rant over

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jamie and Ja are really the only ones with more than the depth of a razor blade.

Frankie is a world class whiner but I don't think anyone dealing with CF can be classed as a pantywaist.. JMO tho. I happened to like her.. Robin is the one who gives me the fingernails on the chalkboard vibe.. and we get a new roomie to hop in bed with whatshisname.. or so it seems in the teaser.

Broxi
Member

03-11-2004

Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Seamonkey... I agree with everything you just said. Short of Jamie and Ja... the whole house is a mess. Brad and Randy always seem to be looking to get a piece! Robin always with the drama... and Cam well I think she has a wee bit of the blonde syndrome happening {I am not slighting Blondes...Cause I AM ONE so please no slamming}

And lastly.... why does it seem that they don't know how to have a good time without being P*SS A*S Drunk.?!

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 2:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Because then they might have to actually look at their behavior?