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Whoami
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 3:59 am
I think Donald Trump should have shown Sam a video of him snoozing on the job...especially when Sam was laughing it off as untrue. What nerve!
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Immunity_Man
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 7:14 am
Ponderosa, should be her name because she is full of bull! I liked here in the beginning. I thought she had style, drive, and determination. But now she just works my nerves. Yes, she is giving AA women a bad name, Whoami. She needs to take a page out of Oprah's book on how to become a strong, successful, powerful AA woman, but without pissing everyone off! This show is a trip! I am truly hooked.
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Pamy
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 7:23 am
I thought the PM was good on the girls team this time. Tammy wasn't as irritating. Donald loves BIG over the top ideas..look at his casinos and apt! Sam is just painful to watch. I can't believe he is successful. I think Jason will one day own a bldg..and I think Trump knows it also. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump uses some of these people in other areas of his business'
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Hobbs
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 7:27 am
It was me who said this show is up to the producers and Sam and Tammy won't go for a long time. You can Omarosa into the mix. I just put a post into the Misc thread asking someone who has the show taped to pause and record the disclaimer at the end saying that Trump checks with the producers before "firing" someone.
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Pamy
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 7:36 am
Good catch Hobbs...I think that is why he said last nights firing was tough...he WANTED to fire Sam but MB wouldn't let him
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Meemo
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 7:52 am
saw the show last night but missed the girls commercial. all i saw was "own it". so what did it show? those pictures of the airplanes? can someone please fill me in?
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Wilsonatmd
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 8:10 am
there's no conspiracy Pamy....at the end of each ep it clearly states that while Trump might consult with the producers or the network about possible elimination decisions, in the end it's entirely his call. And I think he made the right call...Not talking to the head of the company was a serious error, and in the end that was the Jason's fatal mistake. You need to know your client, and he decided not to know him... in case you miss an episode, they've announced CNBC (cable business channel which is apt) will rerun the eps starting next week...ep one will air Thursday the 22nd at 9PM, ep 2 will air Friday the 23rd at 9, thereafter eps will air Thursdays at 10PM, so they'll be a week behind (ep 3 will air on CNBC the night after ep 4 airs)
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Dat1ua95
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 8:16 am
I am an African American woman and have lurked/posted on this board for the last 3 years. Today will be my last visit to "The Apprentice" thread due to the insensitive comments made by Whoami. Weight you can gain, lose or hide. Black is forever. To my knowledge, Michael Jackson has been only person able to adjust it. Frankly, as an african american woman, I am not looking for sympathy or tolerance. In my view, the Big O and Ereka give WOMEN a bad name, too bad the AA's had to take the heat for the Big O being obnoxious. I don't know her and had nothing to do with her home training.
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Texaslawdiva
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 8:22 am
I think Ereka needs to put her emotions aside. YOu can't run a major corporation under a powerful giant like Trump crying when things don't go as planned or when someone steps on your little feelings. All the women need to understand that there is no time for all that bickering and pleading your case. I like Omarosa! She is good and assertive and when even though she does not like a person's idea, she gives it her all anyway to make it happen. That is a team player. But she has some insecurity issues. She is trying to intimidate the others and talk down and be sarcastic. She does think she is better and smarter. But what I really love is how riled up she gets the other person, yet she remains calm while hurling insults and pointing out their belligerent behavior. She is going for the jugular. Breaking down their confidence in themselves and making them out to be irrational to others. Who was the blonde chick in the white shirt (while everyone had on dresses nor a jacket, hmmm)that had her boobs hanging out in the meeting? How inappropriate to lean over and expose your boobs to the client during your presentation. When he called her out on it, she shook them at him and then sat on the table. Unprofessional, inappropriate, slutish. YOu can tell she has other things on her mind. The client did not really like the ad, he had to chose someone and the guys were too generic. I would have said neither and had someone from each team fired. Sam? get rid of him. Like Trump said. He talks too much and is a disaster waiting to happen.
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Texaslawdiva
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 8:38 am
Datiua95: I too am an African American Woman that is strong and successful. Don't let another's opinion direct your path. in life we will always have opinions/comments and they are just that. I know it can be frustrating when a person makes an insensitive comment or bases an opinion w/o knowledge or out of sheer ignorance or idiocy. However, there are truly people who mean no harm at all and are just clueless. LIfe will deal with them accordingly. Just do as Omarosa would have done and any intelligent WOMAN would do...smile, laugh even, make an intelligent counterpoint and continue to do what you do - in the realm that you were offended. Life is too short and there is too much fun to be had. NEVER GIVE SOMEONE THAT MUCH CONTROL OVER YOU.
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Maris
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 8:47 am
I have missed what Whoami said that was so insensitive. I dont know what Who looks like but I am assuming she is a large person and was making comments about her size not about Omarosa. My question to you is didn't you find it the least bit offensive that she tried to turn her conflict into a race issue instead of a personality issue? I had a problem with that. I thought she was dead on about the advertising program and I would have reacted the same way she did but I have to tell you she would get on my last nerve with her superior attitude and her I know it all attitude. Self confidence is one thing but being obnoxious is another. Omarosa is only one of the women that annoys the heck out of me. Ereka is another and Tammy, I am voting her out next week. All of these women are an embarrassment to watch, regardless of their race. I have worked with many successful women of all races and they dont use their race as means to put those who disagree with them on the ropes. They use their self confidence their abilities, their brains and determination to win. That is a strong woman, regardless of her size or race.
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Zules
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 8:55 am
Texaslawdiva, the blonde chick in the white shirt you were referring to, I believe was Heidi.
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Mocha
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:14 am
Ok I wasn't going to comment on this issue at all but I have to add my 2 cents. I think it's a shame that when a black person is on one of these reality shows they seem to have to carry our whole race on their shoulders. They can't say anything or do anything that would be perceived as giving the whole race a bad name. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this right, it sounded good when I was thinking it, lol. But Omarosa is not giving black women a bad name as she is not representative of all black women. Now I did miss some things from the show last night because I was in chat and cooking dinner so I missed what caused Omarosa to go off. But in reading above it was the comment 'the pot calling the kettle black'? I don't think it's fair to say how someone should react to particular comments. I'm guessing that maybe Omarosa may not have been paying attention to the whole comment and all she heard was 'black' and that was probably what she was reacting to. Now personally I know that when there's someone I don't care for all it would take is to hear them say something even remotely suspect and I would be all over them and I guess that's what happened last night. Texas, great post. Dat1, I hope you don't go away. I've known Whoami for awhile and I know she was not trying to be insensitive at all and I'm sorry you perceived it that way. Ok I'm done and I'm sorry I couldn't be more articulate about this. JMO FWIW
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Maris
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:21 am
It is an excellent post Mocha but the only thing I believe Omarosa is the person that put it out there about people being intimidated by a strong black woman and therefore brought it to the level of people having a problem with her because she was Black instead of someone having a problem with her because they didnt get along. I certainly wouldnt see Omarosa as reflective of all women of her race anymore than I see Ereka being reflective of all white women (god forbid) or Tammy being reflective of all Asian women. Didnt you have a problem at all with Omarosa brining the conflict down to a race issue?
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Legalboxer
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:23 am
I also gave O the benefit of the doubt that it was a 24 hour day, she didnt feel well and she didnt hear the whole sentence and jumped to defensive mode - i just wish the other women would have sense enough to wait til the next day and explain what was said etc but looks like most had been drinking anyway and thus walls were down for some decentency.
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Mocha
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:26 am
To be honest Maris, no.
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Ladytex
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:29 am
Dat1 - Please don't leave. I, too, have been around for awhile and I don't think Who was trying to be insensitive. Texaslawdiva - Great Post! Thanks Mocha - As usual, you read my mind. When Sam acts like a donkey, I don't hear people saying that he gives all white men a bad name. When Allison on BB showed her rearend, I didn't hear people saying that she gives all white women a bad name. So why does whatever Omarosa does give all AA women a bad name?
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Maris
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:32 am
To be clear I didnt say nor do I think her behavior is reflective of AA women. That is just plain dumb but I had a problem with her bringing her conflict with the other woman to a race issue. I thought it was cheap shot AND the sign of someone who couldnt make a good argument. As I said, I think all the women are shameful.
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B4ugogo
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:32 am
Looks like some of us weren't the only ones who felt like gagging when we heard about the women's ad campaign. A Marqius exec was cringing (see article - addy below). And I totally agree with firing the person who did not want to meet with his client. Um, what planet is he visiting from? The Link
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March
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:33 am
I missed the pot comment between Omarosa and Ereka. Hard to believe that someone has never heard that statement before and know its meaning. Suppose she didn't hear it correctly? I didn't like either the mens or the womens presentations. As alot of you have said the mens was too generic. I know people say that sex sells but there was nothing in the women's ads that would make me buy that card or even read the ad. The women are dissapointing me so much. I agree so much with the guy who said that they put the women's movement back a few decades. And I can't believe that one of Donald people have not told these women how to dress in the corporate world. The men always show up in suits and some (not all) of the women show up dressed to go out to the clubs. And Heidi at the meeting, whoo I'm not even going to go there. As for Sam sleeping on the job, I had to laugh because we actually had something like that happen at work one time (the person did get fired). DT couldn't understand why Jason had Picked Troy as the second person but I think Jason was trying to get DT to fire Sam by putting someone up against him that he knew DT would not fire that day. Unfortunately for Jason he forgot about his own big blunder and it backfired in his face.
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Mocha
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:40 am
I did think Jason was kinda cute though. But he did make a huge mistake.
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Hermione69
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 10:00 am
I thought the women's campaign was way over the top, but I understand why they won. The men's was boring. I couldn't even tell you what the cruz of their campaign was. In advertising, it is better to be talked about than forgotten. It made me think of that FCUK campaign. Plus, the women met with the company. That was a big screwup on the part of the men.
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Hermione69
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 10:09 am
BTW, Mocha, I thought your post was very well put. And I have to throw my support behind Whoami. I think she has a heart of gold and I am sure she didn't mean to offend anyone. Sometimes it is hard to find the right words to express what you are trying to say in this medium and so things can come off sounding in a way you didn't intend. My take of her message was that her main point was discrimination can occur in many forms and be careful accusing people of it lightly or falsely.
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Happymom
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 10:16 am
Yes, Jason did make a huge mistake. So did Sam, but Jason's was worse. I don't think Sam is only being obnoxious, it's more than that. He is not a team player, he's too hard to work with, and he needs too much attention. And...that sucking up and groveling is really getting annoying. It's really hard to respect that behavior. I think Jason's reason for picking Troy was because he had to pick someone. It could be that all those other guys stood an equal chance of going to the board with Jason and Sam. But, Jason made another mistake by picking someone w/o a reason. I did occur to me, too, that maybe he picked Troy because he thought that would definitly get Sam out. March mentioned this above.
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Hummingbird
| Friday, January 16, 2004 - 10:28 am
Omarosa was the one who interjected race into the conversation. I see nothing wrong with commenting about about what she said. She told Ereka that she had a problem with AA women when, in fact, Ereka only had a problem with her. (and with good reason!) Why on earth would anyone take offense to that?
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