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Suitsmefine
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07-29-2002

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 10:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
All I can say about Michaels comments ....well, he just said out loud EXACTLY what the rest were thinking, but wouldn't say.....I just hav
en't liked him since his first night there when he saw Fredo and said "I know you"...in a way that came off sounding like he thought Fredo wasn't good enough to be there.
I can't really put my finger on why, but Tony just made me feel on edge, I had a hard time watching him, it was almost like he was clinging to every moment with her like it meant life or death...I really wonder if this guy had a VERY hard life with absolutely no love or affection from anyone.
I just can't imagine working my way through that many guys at once, and not thinking in the back of my mind....sheesh, what am I thinking, and how can I judge them when I am swapping spit with all of them, sometimes more than one at a time on those group dates.If someone did
that in Real life ....well there is a word for girls like that....I'm just sayin'...

Watching2
Member

07-07-2001

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 2:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did anyone see the guys and what they had to say on the Today show? I set my VCR to tape at about the time the guys were on a couple of weeks ago, and I heard a few words of it, but didn't see it, and it was on the part after the Regis & Kelly show. I wish they'd be consistent when they air things so you could catch what you want to see when they do it on a regular basis.

The one thing I did hear was Michael saying it would be difficult for him to be on a reality show again because he has a small business he needs to keep running. I'm not sure what Tony had to say. I'd be interested in knowing if he still has his "face art." I never really could get past that myself. Artistic or not, it was just a bit too weird for me.

And I think you're right - Michael said what the others were thinking but wouldn't say OR just weren't SHOWN saying. Remember editing?!! I can't believe no one else made any comments. I also just remembered that earlier in the series, Larissa herself said something about liking to be with someone who took care with their appearance. Anyone else recall that?!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 2:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It seemed that Fredo was positively squirming when he saw Larissa's MOM coming across the room at them. I would imagine that the more insecure guys, average joes, would have badmouthed MORE than the model-like guys. It was very obvious in the first Average Joe and made the guys look really bad. I think THIS time the producers edited everything out except Michael's ranting. That was STRIKE THREE~! He's out.


Dksg
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01-27-2004

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 5:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did anyone see Tony and Mike on the Today Show yesterday? Tony gave the name of his web site, but I missed it. Did anyone get it? It was "20" something.

Ohiomobprincess
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11-07-2003

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 7:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I knew Michael C. was a goner when I saw Larissa in the fat suit. I think he was the only honest one in the bunch. All the other guys were scared to speak their minds. I'm glad she cut Tony. He was WAY too intense. Tony looks like he doesn't have any fun. I'm not a fan of Brian. My picks are Fredo, Gil and Jim. I think she will pick either Fredo or Jim in the end.

Eliz87
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07-30-2001

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 8:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
...double post oops

Eliz87
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07-30-2001

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did it ever occur to anyone that not every man is inclined to think rude thoughts about an overweight woman much less voice them?

For the ones who were thinking things and not saying anything, then they were just being mannerly and kind and respectful. I certainly wouldn't trade those qualities in a man for someone who just says whatever is on his mind without giving it some thought.

All in all, though, I don't think that Mike C's comments were THAT bad (in comparison to some comments made on the first Average Joe about the "sister"), but still...He could've just said something along the lines that he doesn't like a woman to carry extra weight. He didn't have to equate heaviness with being lazy and not taking care of oneself. Big assumptions there.

Oh...one more thing...And REALLY, who could NOT TELL that Larissa's "mother" was Larissa??? Of course the viewers knew, but does anyone else agree that that was a HORRIBLE make-up job?? Hell, forget the extra weight...I would be thinking, "That woman just looks ODD!" lol I don't believe for one moment that the guys really didn't know it was her. Definitely a television production.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

quote:

I also just remembered that earlier in the series, Larissa herself said something about liking to be with someone who took care with their appearance. Anyone else recall that?!




duh!! (in that I had forgotten that!! lol)
Her facial expressions, her domineer, her temper tantrum - all documented in that first episode. The show is so over produced in every aspect imho!! It makes the Bachelor shows look good!!



Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Here's Tony's website, it's really pretty cool.
Click Here

Warrenn
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01-10-2003

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think it's fine to find a physical characteristic unattractive. So if he doesn't find overweight people attractive, that's just the way it is. But it's not fine to mock them or express distain about it.

It's also not fine for him to say that in front of someone overweight. That shows that he may not consider other people's feelings. Even if it's the absolute truth, I'm sure there's something else he finds unattractive about women that he could have said that would not have offended anyone in the room.





Mack
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07-23-2002

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 11:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This is really a strange show, even more so with the second addition than the first. It's almost like they expected a scripted sitcom with the first series and it didn't work out quite the way they thought it would. That's not to say that this version is any less scripted but the approach is a bit different. Seems to me that, in their way, they've tried to be more "moral" than funny this time. Larissa is a better subject and a better "actress". The "joes" were actually a bit wierder, at least the starting group, and the "hunks" were even more shallow than the first group.

As I think several have pointed out or hinted Larissa seems to be a two-way mirror in that she behaves one way and then reacts negatively to people who act the way she did in a similar situation. Is she learning? Well, you'd hope so but it's hard to tell. Is she looking for a "true love"? Doubt it and I can't see where, even if she is, that she's going to find it in this scenario. If anybody is learning/growing from this situation it's probably the "joes". Their emotions and reactions seem real and heartfelt. So much so that I'm thinking that the experience was probably harder on them than anybody else. Bottomline is that I don't take this show as "serious" as the Bachelor series but it is still entertaining and I've grown to like the "joes". Maybe they're the winners, Larrisa or no Larrisa.

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Mack: Keep in mind this show was taped before the original Average Joe aired. I think the entire show is determined by the demeaner of the woman. And because they are different, the shows are different as well.

Essence
Member

01-12-2002

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 11:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for the website Ladyt. I forgot I was supposed to be looking for it, lol.

Mack
Member

07-23-2002

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 12:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Scorpiomom - Absolutely. Part of my point was/is that even in the original AJ the directors/producers saw that it wasn't evolving the way they probably thought it was going to and they refocused a bit. Remember, in the first AJ the MC was a comedienne whose part almost disappeared by the end of the show. Note that there is no MC this time. That tells me that they were thinking "on the fly" as the filming progressed and it became apparent things weren't working the way they thought they would. Certainly AJ2 was in the "can" before AJ1 aired but it probably was pretty obvious changes needed to be made. However, your point that the woman, in these cases, has made a big difference is well taken. IMHO Larissa is the best of the two and we'll probably never know if the producers got lucky or learned enough from the first show to adjust the second.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Forget the horrible makeup job. I think Larissa's "mom" sounded just like Larissa. I don't know about any of you, but I do NOT sound anything like MY mother!!!

I'm glad Michael C was let go... whether or not he was "just speaking his mind," he was like a dog with a bone. He just did not shut up. He might've not been axed had he said one or two comments. But he monopolized the entire convo.

I agree with letting Tony go (he actually started to give me the creeps).

I don't see how Brian has lasted as long as he has. I know there are a lot of you from back east, but to my "I don't have an accent" Southern California ears, I cannot stand to listen to him "tawk." The only thought that keeps running thru my head... if I were her and we ended up together, I'd be telling him to never ever speak when we are in bed. Cause, to me, well... there went the mood!

I'm really like Fredo a lot these days. I wasn't too sure about him, but he does seem to be a really nice guy (albeit a bit of a macho act).

I do wish Larissa wouldn't seem, in my opinion, so shallow... she really does hang all over (and smooch all over) the "new guys". Much more so than with the "original guys."

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
For all of you wondering how the guys "fell" for Larissa in the fat suit portraying her mom, remember they were set up: as they were returning to the house in their limo (wonder where they'd been? out to breakfast?) they saw a body double who looked like Larissa hugging her "mom" goodbye. Why would they think it wasn't Larissa?

My mother and I look very much alike. And we used to sound a lot alike, too. When I was in high school, one of my friends called my house and asked for me. When my mom told him I wasn't home, he said, "Debbie, you liar!" He was sooooo emabarrassed when he realized he'd spoken to my mother that way! (She was amused!)

I'm a California girl, too, but Brian's accent doesn't bother me. In fact, we have a very dear friend of the family who's from the Boston area, and his accent reminds me of her. I love people with different accents and trying to pinpoint what area of the country they come from by the way they talk. All my cousins live in Arkansas, and they think I have an accent!

I also used to have a roommate a long time ago who was from Boston. Our other roomie was also a Californian, and both of us used to tease her relentlessly about her accent--not in a mean way, we were just fascinated by her pronunciation (I'm going to pack the cah in Havid Yad).

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 10:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Brian's accent is a total turn off to me, but Boston Rob's accent on Survivor is a total turn on. Brian's just seems SO nasaly and annoying.

I think they may have fallen for the fat suit because they never got close to the "mom". Didn't they sit across the room from her. I don't think she got up and shook their hand or anything. Also, they were nervous about being interviewed so they were focused on themselves (and probably checking out her hot friend LOL).


Ohiomobprincess
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11-07-2003

Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I usually like Boston accents, but I agree with Brenda, he's WAY too nasaly!

I think it's going to come down to Fredo and Jim.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 4:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ha ha Thx Brenda I thought I was the only one!! Boston Rob is hot! but the same accent on Brian is blah. Could it be what they are saying? Brian always seems to be so earnest, almost begging sometimes. I can see where that would make Larissa feel like he was completely 'taken' with her.
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Give me Boston Rob anyday! NOW HE'D be FUN for an AVERAGE JANE show!! His humour is positively cutting~!!


Dynair
Member

01-06-2004

Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Someone pointed this out on the last show--on both shows the "Mom & Friend" have appeared to be dour and well . . . displeased. I don't think I ever saw either one smile or make a nice comment. If anything, they both seemed rude. Perhaps this is to elicit more negative feelings from the guys, or that both girls were nervous. I thought it was so considerate when Gil, the blond, said in his taped message that he was sorry she was uncomfortable, and told her that he was also uncomfortable at first. He really rose in my estimation!

Yes, I agree that the make-up job made her look bizarre, and that the guys were too intimidated to really notice that or Larissa's chrystal clear voice.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, February 20, 2004 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think this show will run 9:30-11:00pm pst next Mon. Will this be the final episode?

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 12:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Happymom, I also noted that they have extended the time on this episode. It seems like there's too many guys left to be the final episode, but then maybe they've decided to wrap it up faster? I can't remember how the last one ended. Anyone else?

Watching2
Member

07-07-2001

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 11:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
BTW - I saw a commercial for the show earlier and it just said it was a "supersized" edition, not that it's the finale.

Babyjaxmom
Member

10-20-2002

Monday, February 23, 2004 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Watching, you're right. I checked Yahoo! TV listings, and it shows another episode scheduled for March 1. NBC and their "supersize" shows are just a ratings ploy. Oh, and the episode is scheduled to start at 9:29 p.m. They just love to mess with our VCR's!

Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Monday, February 23, 2004 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
http://www.fredolaponza.com/

http://www.brianworth.net


I found the links for these on Fans of Reality TV, Brian's is cute, Fredo's is nice.