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Texannie

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
EXACTLY Spy!!!!!!

Snoopsmom

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've only been watching this show for two weeks, but based on the hint from Regis and Kelly yesterday, and the editing last night I'm sure she'll pick Jason. While they didn't show Adam say anything too horrible about "Danielle" he did make some comments. They didn't show Jason say ANYTHING negative, and the only negative comment Melena made about him was that he didn't make eye contact with her when in the fat suit.
Then again, if I'm wrong and she does end up picking Adam, can he really be considered an 'Average Joe' if he's a partner/owner of a Fortune 500 company? I think not.

Gina8642

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A couple thoughts...

One, I was disappointed by how little they showed from what the guys said. We have no clue what Jason said.

Two, I think Adam's 'fat Monica' comment was right on the mark. She did look exactly like 'fat Monica'. The body shape and hair was exactly the same. Actually, as we see more and more of these fat suit set-ups on different shows, they all look alike. I actually thought it was funny that he figured it out without figuring it out. Adam as usual was trying to get a laugh.

Third - Guess what? This really, truly is how guys talk amongst themselves. I hear it everyday at the gym. While I'm glad that Zach is gone, I think the comments from Zach and Adam are being taken why tooooooo literally. Both were joking around. I think the PC ness I'm seeing is getting way too out of control. Everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt and be seen in its proper context. Life isn't much fun if you take every human utterance at exact face value. I have a friend who makes rude off color jokes all the time around PC people. He really isn't this way, he just loves to see people act all outraged like they have a stick up thier ....

Fourth - Zach seemed more bummed to be saying good-bye to Adam than Melena. I've read they were friends before hand - so I guess I'm not surprised.

Still, I enjoyed the fat suit, but they didn't really take advantage of it much on the show. It is a shame they didn't show any of her interaction with the guys during the interviews. All I saw was her rudely refusing Adam's handshake and somesort of reaction to Zach when she hid her face (no explanation if she was laughing, angry, embarassed, etc - no clue). The rest was just stock footage. It easily could have been filmed without the guy even in the room. Maybe everyone was looking at the friend because she was asking all the questions? Melena's suit didn't seem to allow much facial expression. If someone glares at you, refuses your hand shake, and doesn't speak - are you going to spend much time looking at them?

I'm actually starting to not like Jason. He seems judgemental and very stiff. Maybe he does get picked and they are just trying to hide it from the cameras?

Anyway - None of these three were average joes IMO. I think they are all pretty cute and have decent bodies. If anything, Jason is too pretty, not terribly 'manly'. I'd pick Adam in a heartbeat.

Ladytex

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sorry, I don't see it just as being pc, our getting offended by Zach's comments. They were mean and hurtful regardless of where he said them. He said them about a human being. Just because "This really, truly is how guys talk amongst themselves" doesn't make it okay. Ugly can be a state of how you are even when you don't think anyone is watching, and he was ugly.

Mack

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ladytex - You're absolutely right. Just because guys, or gals for that matter, do this kind of thing doesn't make it right. I'm glad Zach got "caught" and actually wish they'd played more of it and made a bigger example of him. There's a lesson to be learned here and I hope it wasn't lost.

Crossfire

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 10:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
<devils advocate>

One lesson is that if you invade someones privacy, you might get your feelings hurt so its best not to stick your nose where it don't belong.

</devils advocate>

Rslover

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Average Joe
Zach, you got what you deserved. When Melana whipped off that mask to reveal that what you called a DUFF (Dumb Ugly Fat Friend) was actually the top prize in disguise, your face said it all. We almost felt sorry for you when Melana called you forward to tell you she hoped you had learned your lesson, but the little temper tantrum after you were discarded and the whining about how "this isn't reality" put a quick end to the pity party. Bye-bye.

Adam, you scored big points at every turn, especially for making Melana cry with that soliloquy about feeling like a giddy teenager whenever you're around her. If that was just a line, it was a good one, but I think it was honest 'cause something tells me you're a horrible liar. Obviously Melana agrees. It looks like you're in a good position to pull an upset worthy of Seabiscuit and debunk the adage that says nice guys always finish last. My money says this one doesn't finish second, either.

Which brings us to Jason. What is your secret?! Melana can't stop sucking on your face. It got so bad in the limo that we had to read subtitles to understand what you guys were saying. Now, if you can manage to use your lips and tongue to form words to express your feelings, you just might have a chance.

Brenda1966

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I hear you Gina and understand what you're saying. These guys were completely set up. Melana kept saying "would they just see the fat suit or see the person inside?" Well, they were given NO opportunity to see the person inside. She just sat there and barely interacted with them. It would have been better to have a party atmosphere where they could all mingle. Of course they're going to make some comments about her weight. Most guys don't like fat girls, even if the guys are fat! If they had interacted with Danielle they might have concluded she was a cool gal. I also think the friend should have been someone thin but very unattractive to see how they would react to that as well. Would they have made fun of her big nose or crooked teeth or something else?

I found Adam's comments in line with the average guy. Yes, she did look like fat Monica! I found Zach's comments over the line. He is a jerk and his true colors were shown. His excuses are lame. I'm sure the pretty boy models said some things but we weren't shown that. Or maybe they didn't say anthing -- they don't seem too clever, only pretty.

I think she'll pick Adam. And if he's loaded and he hasn't even dropped hint one about it, then he's no average joe! He's a diamond in the rough!

Spygirl

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The irony here cannot be overlooked.

Zach was on this show in an attempt to be picked for something other than his looks - to be judged by his personality rather than his outward appearance. And yet, given the first chance, he went right to the looks of a woman.

For him to say the things he did about Danielle's appearance is absolutely the perfect irony.

I will not excuse his behavior based on the crap of boys will be boys or the invasion of privacy line. The guy was on a TV show - when was he ever guaranteed privacy?? He is living in a house provided and paid for by the producers of the show. Duh - he should know better. It is just like when people write things in emails or talk about others and then get mad when they get caught. DUH! Don't say things about others that you wouldn't want them to see or hear. It is pretty simple, really.

If this is truly how guys talk around guys, then again I return to my previous statement. That is why men get the rap they get. I've said things about other people I wish I had never said that were not nice, but I'll never justify that by saying "it was in the privacy of my own home" or "it was just girls talking with girls". That's immature justification.

I'm glad Zach got caught and I only hope he learned something from it, but after seeing his interview this morning, that isn't likely.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 11:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What did Adam say other than she looked like Monica? She did. That one wasn't bad, just an accurate observation. Very funny that he saw that but didnt get that the make up created that similarity.

I missed the show so I am curious.

Crossfire

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 11:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lets also keep in mind at this point that Melana's first reaction to meeting these guys was to apparently run off into the desert, and that most of the hosts scenes are on the cutting room floor for spending her time having a grand ole time hurling abuse or at least being disrespectful of the contestants.

Spygirl

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I believe Adam was asked if he would do the cousin to get to Melena and he said yes. I'm not positive, though.

Whether it be editing or not, Adam's comments barely registered as offensive. I agree that Danielle did look like Monica in high school. That did not come across as a judgment, merely as an observation.

Cross, that is a difference in expectation.

I reached to my cup holder in my car three days ago to take a drink of my diet Dr. Pepper. I didn't realize it, but instead grabbed my mom's water bottle. I spit it out because it wasn't what I expected. Does that mean I don't like water? Not at all.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Spy! Fabulous analogy. Impressive, in fact.

Auntiemike

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have to say that Melana has surprised me with her sensitivity and ability to look beyond looks. I do notice that she can get distracted by the lookers but can also eliminate them if she doesn't feel right about them.

I think she really appreciates Adam's honesty and vulnerability with her. He comes across as genuine and not desperate or out to conquer the world. He seems confident in himself yet understands the different roles people have in dating situations. He is realistic but not apologetic.

I was fully prepared to not like her but find that I appreciate her words at elimination time. She seems to be genuinely concerned for each of the guys, even if she has no connection with them.

I'll be curious to see how this comes out next week. It caught my interest and fancy way more than "Joe Millionaire 2" did!!!

Brenda1966

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Adam made some crack about "would you make out with her" and then Zach said something so crude they had to bleep it all out.

The thing about Zach is that he isn't there to be judged by something other than his looks! He was mad when he saw the set up of the game and that he was grouped with these unattractive dorky guys and declared himself above it all and the "best"! He's been superficial from day one.

I think it would have been interesting to have fat Monica appear in the very beginning, to see if the other guys, who didn't want to be judged by looks, would judge this woman by her appearance. the so-called ugly friend could make appearances all throughout the process and get to know the guys. But in the beginning, everyone was on their best behavior whereas now the guys have been there a while and are feeling comfortable, so who knows if they would have behaved as badly. Let's face it -- instant attraction is 99% physical. IT takes a while to get to know someone enough that the attraction is not about the physical.

Anyway, it sure was an interesting twist on things.

Crossfire

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't like this show, but I can't stop watching it either, very annoying.

Spygirl

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks, Bat! :)

I am enjoying this show and look forward to what happens when the tables turn (great looking guy, average janes). If NBC won't do it, Fox will

Fruitbat

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have only seen it once but I am enjoying this thread. Great way to avoid the chores that linger outside my closed door.

Heyltslori

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I taped it last night so I went back and watched it again to hear what they said about "Danielle." Here it is:

Adam: Do you guys think she looked just like Monica from Friends when she was in H.S.? The fat Monica?

(Other guys laughing)

Adam: Dude, what if I make out with her cousin? Does that get me into the next round?

Zach (I think) Would you?

Adam: To get to the next round, I'll do it.

Zach: That would kick you out of the next round dude.

Adam: What if they told you to give the cousin a lap dance? Would you do that?

Mike: I'd do that. That's not hard.

Zach: Who would you rather kiss...Adam or the cousin?

Jason (I think) I wouldn't kiss her.

Adam: If given a choice I'd rather kiss Zach than the cousin.

(everyone laughing)

Adam: Would you Zach?

Zach: I'd ***** tell her to go like this. ***** And ***** ***** right ***** *****.

Zach: I think she wants to **** me.

Adam: Who? The cousin?

Zach: Yeah.

Adam: You lying?

Zach: No.

Zach: Have you ever heard of the DUFF? The Designated Ugly Fat Friend? Like all hot groups of good-looking girls has a fat friend?

Jason: Yeah, Of course.

Zach: It's called the DUFF. You gotta be in with the DUFF to be in with the girl.

Adam: And you're in with the DUFF?

Zach: I'm in with the DUFF.


Yankee_In_Ca

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Heyitslori -- yep, that's what was said. Thanks for the transcript.

Personally, I thought what Adam said was bad as well, and I was surprised when I read this thread that no one here thought it was.

Jami

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think what Adam said was said, like so many of the things he says, in jest. Not that that excuses it,,,but I think he might have said the same thing in a different situation. Like I could imagine him saying, "What if I make out with Kathy Griffin? Will that get me to the next round?" So I don't thnk that had to do with her being fat. I think he was more put off by her refusing to shake his hand and a being rude than her size. Maybe it's just that I like Adam, but I think if she had been friendly to him he might have not said anything unkind.

Pbnj

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 1:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought what Adam said was 'bad' too Yankee and I was hoping that Malena would dump both for the irony...they want to be accepted but can't be accepting of imperfection.

YES, it's true Gina, many guys are like that but thankfully, my man isn't (it's not that I'm not good looking, I'm just fine but I wouldn't want a guy who disses women like that...it's not cool) What I wanted to see is what the 'pretty boys' said....I can't imagine anything too witty coming out of Mike's mouth but Jason may have made some comments. I think Malena should have seen them all. Maybe she did but we just saw the edited version.

Adam is 'ok' in the looks dept. but I found Zach more attractive and really the ones sent home already were the real 'average' joes. Adam and Zach made the model types look fairly average too IMO

Lauram

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
DAY TRADING
Can't Keep a Good Day Trader Down
Online brokers like Charles Schwab, E*Trade, and Ameritrade may be suffering, but day traders are still partying like it's 1999.
FORTUNE
Friday, February 9, 2001
By Nelson D. Schwartz


Exactly a year ago, FORTUNE looked at the bizarre world of day traders like Adam Mesh, an unshaven, T-shirt-clad 24-year-old who, in just one day, bought and sold nearly 10,000 shares of a company he'd never heard of before. (See "Meet the New Market Makers" in the fortune.com archive.) Today, not only is Mesh still at Tradescape, but he and three partners have formed their own firm, Chimera Capital, hiring 45 associates as proprietary traders. Mesh and his partners provide the initial capital stake and then split any eventual profits with the firm's even younger newcomers, many of whom are recent grads of the University of Michigan, Mesh's alma mater. This unlikely fraternity (so far they're all male, although Mesh insists they'd be thrilled to find a female trader) now possess roughly $2 million in capital and recently traded more than 5 million shares on a single day.


From FORTUNE MAGAZINE

http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:bq3iovh4yn8J:www.timeinc.net/fortune/careers/articles/0,15114,371777-2,00.html+%22adam+mesh%22+&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8


Chimera Capital's Website:
ChimeraCapital.com

Auntiemike

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 2:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
<I thought what Adam said was 'bad' too Yankee and I was hoping that Malena would dump both for the irony...they want to be accepted but can't be accepting of imperfection.>

O.K., so tell me, what IS perfection????
Surely not Malena's looks as the first thing Adam covered was a "zit" on her face when they were making the masks. Golly, gee, I wish we could accept that people can be beautiful on the inside as well as the outside; one not more important than the other.

I always have a hope that shows like this will have that philosophy. One can dream, can't one?

Pantageas

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 2:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
<Devil's Advocate>

Wasn't the first thing that our cheerleader friend did was to eliminatate all the pudgy and 'unattractive' average joes? And she's shocked that the remaining guys said the things they did? Sounds like she's flocking with the birds of her feather...