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Fruitbat
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08-07-2000
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 2:02 pm
Seems her BA from a college in NY and Masters from Notre Dame are in order. She is certainly qualified despite the fact the title of Dr. may be in question.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 5:49 pm
in many states you can just hang out a shingle that says 'therapist' or 'counseling' on it. you don't have to have any educational background in counseling at all! 20/20 or 60 minutes did a show on it a few years back. seems oregon is one of the states, which didn't surprise me one little iota, since my dune-wackiest sister who has been married 4 to 6 times (depending on whether some marriages were legally ended when other marriages maybe legally took place) is now counseling couples...and i have no idea when she supposedly went to college except for one aerobic dance class in northern california about 20 years back. sheesh!
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Spygirl
Member
04-23-2001
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 6:52 pm
Fruitbat, you are exactly right. The only thing in question is her doctoral degree - that is not the degree that relates in anyway to her ability to practice therapy. She has a valid degree from Notre Dame, and I'd bet it is a counseling degree or a marriage and family therapy degree. Every mental health professional in the country practices clinically at the master's level (a Ph.D. is not required to gain licensure). The exception is psychology, though in some states, that isn't true (in Kansas, there is a master's level psychology degree that permits clinical practice). This woman is trained in EMDR (a very sound trauma approach), she is a member of AAMFT, and she is licensed by the behavioral board for MFT in California. She is a legit and qualified therapist.
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Spygirl
Member
04-23-2001
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 7:00 pm
Tabby, I disagree that there are "many" states allowing that practice. If therapy is being done by untrained and unlicensed people, it is being done illegally. In some cases in the last couple of decades, people may have "grandfathered" in under a new state licensure law, but they would have had to have met certain educational and professional requirements to even do that. If your sister has no higher education and is practicing therapy, you may want to warn her to be careful because she is definitely breaking the law. Oregon has state legislation in place regulating mental health practice.
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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 7:03 pm
Glad I took the trouble of editing my post a couple of times to be explicit about what was in question. My first draft wouldn't have cut it. ( I knew we had some experts here, so I had to get it right. ) Good to hear its not all that important though in terms of what she's doing.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 8:28 pm
spy, hopefully, it has changed in the 4 or 5 years since the tv news special but, at the time--and before you, personally, completed your hard-earned degree--they said 'many states'...i would not go for counseling in some states if my insurance paid every cent!
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 8:43 pm
i do remember that maine was another state where the counselors did not have to be licensed or educated. there were several other states mentioned, too, but the news progam focused on oregon and maine. i don't speak to my sister, spy, unless i have to. she is also living in a house she didn't get any permits for building and lived illegally out on someone's property for years before that in some other 'house' that wasn't done by permit...too weird for me. i don't think i have ever done anything illegal in my life! my sister scares the crud out of me!
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Fabnsab
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 1:32 am
First off, why the heck do they bother with a coach if she's not going to make herself useful and go with them on their day of surgery. Thats when they would need the coach, when you're missing your family most. I know the "coach" is the creator and producer but I am sick of her nagging. She never seems to say anything constructive. All she could say to the one woman was "Forget Lucky!" Maybe they are trying hard to work on their relationship and it may be a healthy thing for her to do this with him instead of just walking away. Not every bad situation has to be all or nothing. Trust me, cheating is heinous but some marriages do have enough love to survive it. Maybe this one does. Also, I think her transformation was the best so far. SHe looked completely natural. The one girl with the redhead boyfriend looked atrocious! She looked the worst so far. They made her so plastic. I wonder why her boyfriend wasn't there. I hope they do follow-ups with these women so we can see family reactions from the winners plus any info on these deadbeat men in their lives.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 8:35 am
i was surprised that they only meet with the counselor once a week. i would think they would need to see her 3 or 4 times a week. a lot of mood swings and incredible physical changes, missing your family, worrying about life outside the place where you are 'locked up'...i would have to come to tvch every day to talk to you guys! the gal who 'introduces' the ladies after their make-overs needs to do something with her hair. it just hangs hanky-lanky. i think all of the girls would probably look better with their hair up in a loose sophisticated style. maybe they could hide the little topknot of their face lifts?! lol someone mentioned their face lifts looked as if they just pulled everything up and tied it into a knot on top, and for many of them, i agree. do they let the gals just put out a grocery list and someone shops for them? they say, "will be put on a 1,200 calorie/day diet"...then show the gals with the ice cream and crap food getting lectured for not losing the weight or sticking to the diet. i know the gals do not go to the Piggly Wiggly in their bandaged condition and shop. i think the whole freezer-fridge scenes are 'fake'. these people are probably given celery, water and grapes to eat. Just my take on it!
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 8:50 am
The girls make out shopping lists and their food is delivered to them. The idea is to see if they are self motivated I think.
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Karuuna
Member
08-31-2000
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 9:30 am
Just as a continued point to ponder: One can be a "counselor" in Colorado without licensing, or any degree at all. One can be a "life coach" or any other kind of "coach" without licensing, or any degree at all. However, you cannot do "psychotherapy" in Colorado without a license. I think the same would be true in most states. It just depends on what you call yourself. Think about it, most pastors of churches do "counseling" and they are not *licensed* by the state to do "therapy".
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 10:51 am
well, 'outta sight, outta mind for me'. i wouldn't put anything on my list i didn't want on my butt later.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 10:56 am
Karuuna, it is the same in Massachusetts.
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Madelane
Member
08-20-2001
| Monday, May 17, 2004 - 6:02 am
Anybody see the SNL spoof of The Swan? It was very funny. The Olsen twins did a mirror trick that was entertaining, and they had a "stylist" who looked all plastic (it was Tina Fey!) with the big puffy lips and long hair, etc. Dead on.
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Conejo
Member
08-23-2002
| Monday, May 17, 2004 - 12:26 pm
I saw it! I had just taken a drink and almost sprayed it across the room! Also loved the impersonation of the 'hostess'. What a hoot! Cracked up when they were listing the things that they were going to do to them - "tongue shaving", "removal of third nipple" "eyebrow augmentation", etc. Also, when the one legged "Swan" wannabe said that she didn't need to be the "Swan" because she was already a "Flamingo".
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, May 17, 2004 - 1:48 pm
One hopeful gets ejected tonight 
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Monday, May 17, 2004 - 2:20 pm
Lol...etiquette says a 'sad' face in order, Ketch...lol lol lol ;)
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 8:50 am
One participant took off last night after surgery was done.... I wonder what the contract says, get some free surgery and run is likely not an option...?
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 9:33 am
Did she mention why she bolted?
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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 9:45 am
She left after being caught with a mirror in her room, which evidently is a big no-no. Her attitude was...abrasive.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 9:52 am
Was asked to leave because of this infraction or did she stalk off in anger?
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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 10:06 am
Ummm...Well, I don't think I ever heard them ask her to leave, but I think that was probably coming. When confronted about the mirror, she was being really 'snotty' acting like she didn't care, and wanted to go home. She just had what appeared to be a 'Yeah, whatever, why are you talking to me?' attitude, and did not show remorse. She was mostly angry the whole time she was there so it is hard to say if she stalked off any more angry than she had previously been.
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Karuuna
Member
08-31-2000
| Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 10:10 am
As I recall, the MC said that they ended up not having to decide what to do about the mirror violation, because the contestant chose to walk out while they were still deliberating.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 8:37 pm
The most shocking thing I heard last nite was that they have 'Swan Security'!!! LOL..STOP! in the name of beauty!
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 1:40 pm
Tonight's the night we've been waiting for!! Who'll win? Who'll lose? Who cares??? 
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