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Crystalfire
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07-09-2001

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 8:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You can also just use the google images search. That way, you just search for a specific name and it will come up with a lot of pictures that include that name. If you really want to see Ron Jeremy, you can even search for him.

Abby7
Member

07-17-2002

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 9:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Crystalfire: thanks for that. i'll try it.

I'm dying here laughing because I think YOU THINK I'm trying to figure out how to search for a photo of Ron (ahem). This is too funny.

btw: if i did want to ...would i type in "Ron Jeremy + 12 inches"????? lol

eta: even though i admitted to wanting to "see" ron...i meant on tv. i'm not interested in renting his video or seeing him on my computer monitor. anyway, the interest is hardly there anymore. :>)

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 10:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Re: Tammy and her eye make-up:

I wonder if she chooses to not tone it down because it is now such a part of her persona. She has to know it looks horrible.

Abby7
Member

07-17-2002

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 10:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Scorpio: I think that she does feel is it part of her persona. She seems to feel as strongly about her eye make-up as her beliefs....which I think is great.

I have heard her say that God doesn't care about how much make-up she wears.

After "getting to know her from TV"...I can only say "good for her". She has been so ridiculed in the past. I'm glad she hasn't backed down from what she wants to do and what she believes in.



Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 11:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Abby7: I totally, totally totally agree.

The thing is, couldn't she tone it doen just a little? Actually, come to think of it, there are times when she does tone it down. And then there are other shots of her with, like, an inch of liquid eyeliner on. I don't mind the lashes or the mascara.

But the thing is, judging from this show, if I were feeling sad about something, I'd want Tammy there to cheer me up--eyeliner and all. :-)

Abby7
Member

07-17-2002

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 2:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Scorpio: that is exactly how i felt ("couldn't she tone it down just a little?)....when i saw that famous photographer doing a photo shoot for her. (wish i knew his name...i'll have to google it later). this guy could really have shown her physical beauty better...but she wouldn't listen to him.

However, because Tammy Faye does seem so agreeable.....I started wondering if she CAN'T tone her eye make-up down. Once the fake eyelashes are taken off....she may not have any real eyelashes left (and may feel too bare with only one pair of false eyelashes).

?????this is just a guess...who knows.

Madelane
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08-20-2001

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 8:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
There was also a GREAT movie about Tammy Faye called The Eyes of Tammy Faye. You meet her new husband and she talks about her mascara and much much more.

I highly recommend it.

Amchess
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08-27-2002

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I used to watch the old PTL club with Tammy & Jim - I was channel surfing and came upon her being silly with her infectious laugh. So I would watch just to see her. She was just so funny and had such a good sense of humor. She had her own little segment each day and I remember one where she had this lady on showing different ways to use scarves (back when they were so popular). Make flowers, use as belt, hair accessory, etc. It got downright hilarious and everyone was reduced to giggles. And of course the makeup was horrendous then too. I agree that she is a very kind person.

Kiersten_love
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Anyone interested, or curious or not really interested, but still kind of curious in the back of their minds..just go to

www.ronjeremy.com and click on personal photos, and you shall see ron in all his glory...ahem....

By the by, I went to school with him in high school...to bad, he isn't listed in classmates for the reunion though...just wanted to share.

Sweetbabygirl
Member

08-31-2002

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 8:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh, my!! Ron is blessed, is all I will say!

Puttergirl
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08-11-2000

Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 3:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
From 1406,KNS_357_2659579,00.html,http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/tv_and_radio

"Public opinion changing about Tammy Faye Messner
When the tele-evangelist formerly known as Tammy Faye Bakker retreated to Gatlinburg in 1987, she was running from her past. She didn't run far enough. It was the height of a national scandal in which she and her then-husband, Jim, were accused of bilking viewers of their religious TV show out of millions. In Gatlinburg, the Bakkers hoped to avoid the spotlight.

Instead, they got more. T-shirts vendors plastered Tammy Faye's face on tourists' chests. Local media stalked their home. Late-night comedy monologues teased her. She was the target of satirists. Now, starring in the WB's reality series "The Surreal Life," she says her public image has turned around. "I am getting thousands of e-mails from people who say they didn't like me, but now they do," she says during a telephone interview from her home in Charlotte, NC "Because of a show like 'Surreal Life,' they have come to care about me."

She even looks back at her months living in Gatlinburg in a bittersweet manner. "I don't want to dig all that back up," she says, "but I remember Gatlinburg with great fondness. I liked the people there, and it was always busy. I remember the main street, mostly, the rows of candy shops. "When we got into that little house and got all cuddled in, it was a sense of peace that went along with it, getting away from the world, having your own little nest."

In addition to being accused of fleecing their flock, Jim Bakker's affair with a church secretary came to light. As their financial empire crumbled during a so-called "holy war" with the Rev. Jerry Falwell and a legal battle with the Justice Department, the Bakkers lost their Gatlinburg mountain home. Eventually Jim Bakker served time in prison. Tammy Faye divorced him and later married a family friend, Roe Messner.

These days, Tammy Faye Messner has regrouped. She says she's happy, still active in ministries and ready for new challenges. "Surreal Life," which documents six celebrities sharing a house for 10 days, is one of them. The series, which airs 9 p.m. Sundays on the WB, also includes adult film star Ron Jeremy, "ChiPs" actor Erik Estrada, rapper Vanilla Ice, actress Tracy Bingham and reality-show hopper Trishelle Cannatella. (The show's finale airs Feb. 22.)

Messner says "Life" has allowed the public to see her in a whole other way, as a woman of faith who has overcome trials. "They didn't know me as a person before," Messner says. "They just knew me as a cartoon character that the news media has made up. It's been overwhelming."

During the mid- and late-1980s, Messner dominated the news. Her face was stained with dark mascara as she cried numerous times for cameras. She begged the public to understand her side of the situation. When the media frenzy died down, Messner retreated. She continued her career as a singer and church speaker. Other scandals took the headlines, and Messner was soon a footnote in pop culture history.

Most of her "Surreal" housemates knew of her but had their own forgone conclusions. That also changed as a result of the show. "She was an accepting evangelist," Jeremy says in a separate interview. "That was a very big shock to me. I even said early on in the show that she seems so nice and so accepting that the jury (then) is still out as to whether it's going to last. "But I was amazed. She has a very nice live-and-let-live attitude."

"Life" taught her a lot, she says. "I knew I could live with other people," she says, "but I didn't know I could live with them without doors on the rooms and televisions and phones." The producers were hoping the choice of celebrities would cause sparks: the conservative Messner sharing space with a porn star and a rapper could certainly generate interesting television. However, Messner says they bonded and have become friends. She calls them, and they trade e-mails. Two of her housemates, she says, have rediscovered their spirituality.

On "Life," Messner doesn't compromise her convictions. She refuses the bounty of alcohol in the house, covers her ears when coarse conversations are conducted and averts her eyes when nudity is presented. Messner says viewers are responding favorably to her because of it. "I'm usually up for any challenge, but I was worried about this one," she says. "I was so scared (in the beginning) that I was shaking inside. Once we all got together and met each other, we ended up (as) six friends."

Messner, who was among 140 celebrities that producers eyed for the show, didn't want to do "Life" at first. Her husband convinced her to do it because he thought she'd be a strong moral influence on reality television. She still had reservations. "They can edit me to look any way," she says. "They can edit me to look like I was in places that I wasn't. I was concerned that would happen."

This isn't the first time she had these concerns. In the 2000 documentary titled "The Eyes of Tammy Faye," a camera crew chronicled her life for months. She had no creative control over the project and feared what it might say. She was pleased with the results, though.

At 63 and a grandmother to two teenagers, Messner says it's easier to take risks. Poor health in recent years -- breathing problems and a bout with cancer -- has spurred her to take more chances. "There's nothing for me to lose anymore," she says. "They can't hurt me. They've lied every lie they can lie. My whole life is an open book. Why not take chances? I don't care what (people) say anymore. "I live my life for God. I go wherever I need to go to minister the Gospel." "


Jhezzie
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07-05-2001

Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 6:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I became a fan of Tammy Faye after the husband went to jail. She picked herself up and tries to do good every day. And no, I don't think she can tone down the eyes. She has said in the past that she sleeps with her eyes done.:-)

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 10:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Whoa, just checked out the pictures....

I just have fallen in love with the kindness and spirit of Tammy Faye. She is so genuine.

Willwillbee
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09-20-2001

Friday, February 20, 2004 - 5:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Shoot, I missed this week's show and the Thursday repeat. My local cable company shows the WB prime time *after* Fox's prime time, so it doesn't show til 11pm here. Does anyone know if they will do another marathon or repeat the shows?


Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 3:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The season finale is tonight. Don't forget to watch!

Willwillbee: I don't know for sure if they'll be doing another marathon, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did. Watch tonight. There might be mention of repeats.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have loved this cast! Erik cracked me up when he was talkin about Ron's plantoon! LOL

I would have never thought I would cross the street to see Tammy and now I would run there. I love her!!

Tracy's fiance needs to RUN!

Trishelle is so pretty when she isn't drinking, she is so young and better get help fast

Ice...great guy, I think this show actually was good thearpy for him



Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 4:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I totally, totally agree with you Pamy.

I'm crossing my fingers that the show ends on a good note. Judging from the previews, things might get a bit nasty before the end. But then again, previews are often misleading.

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 4:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Me too Scorpio, it looks like Erik was leaving pissed, hope that is not the case

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 4:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
and I will be able to actually watch tonite, since ABC screwed ALIAS again this week! GGGRRRR

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 7:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh, my!!! I couldn't resist looking at the photos from Ron's web site, and now I feel like I need to shower. But wow! He really was a handsome guy before he started hitting the buffet!

Beachcomber
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08-26-2003

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 7:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Okay, I have held my tongue long enough about Tammy Faye. Yes she is charismatic and has charmed people the world over. But unless you have personally seen her deception and the whole PTL empire (less than 2 miles from my house) and her lack of forgiveness for the fraud that she committed, then don't readily adore her as she portrays herself as a victim. My dear grandmother, who was a mother of 10 children, worked in a mill all her life, and lived as a widow on a meager social security check in a house that sold for $14,000 at her death in 1988, was sucked in hook, line and sinker by Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker. She went without medicine in order to give money to PTL unbeknownst to her children. When my mother finally found out, she drove my grandmother through PTL and showed her the lavish condos and pools and facilities that her donations were providing for, she was shocked and quit giving money to them. Yes my grandmother was naive, but did not deserve to be scammed by the likes of Jim and Tammy Faye.

Also, it was well documented in the court case that Tammy Faye would go through the mail room at PTL and take the jewelry and cash that old people were sending in to PTL for herself. I went to their home on Lake Wylie, SC and saw the air-conditioned dog kennels and large boats. If and when Tammy Faye sincerely apologizes for her role in the PTL scam/fraud, then I will accept her in the fashion that you all are seeing her. But until then, I can only think of my poor grandmother and others like her who gave their life savings to Jim and Tammy Faye. Please investigate and know both sides of the story, I don't mean to be a downer as everyone seems to love her, but please think of the poor elderly housebound people that she and her husband knowingly duped. They have yet to sincerely admit their guilt and ask for forgivenes.

Upstate
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01-16-2004

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 8:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i agree beachcomber white collar crime in our country isn't taken seriously. especially when you use the bible to hurt and steal from people.


tonight was the first show i watched. i will try and see the other ones when they are rebroadcast.


trachelle was right about sally jessie. she is an over the hill has been. who uses the excuse it is her job. glad she was cancelled. and when she lost her show she didn't go gracefully...not that she has ever been graceful. she went on other talk shows whining and crying about being cancelled. she was a user who sucked the air out of a room.

i'm sorry i missed the season. will be looking forward to seeing them in reruns.

Scorpiomoon
Member

06-06-2002

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 8:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow, Beachcomber, I don't know what to say. From an intellectual perspective, I can certainly understand why you feel so strongly.

Because I don't know that much about the whole PTL scandal and what Tammy Faye has said/done to make up for what she did in the past (if she has said/done anything), I can't agree with you nor defend her.

Personally, in the past, I have done/said some horrible things to people. For me, I know I've had to live with the guilt of making bad choices which ended up hurting people. I'll never completely forgive myself. But from here on out, I've made a conscious effort to be a better person to balance out the karma. Maybe it's just me, but I get the sense Tammy Faye has taken a similiar stance. Who she was then may not be who she is now.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 8:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for adding that perspective Beachcomber. I cant add anything.

I do think its important to realize they brought her in expecting conflict and sterotypes, and I dont think they got that. I think Tammy feels in Tammy's world differently. That doesnt make it right or wrong, just an observation. And a hope that people can be forgiven, yet that in and of itself is a whole nother thread - and your perspective leads me to believe Tammy hasnt acknowledged that wrongness publicly, so forgiveness isnt a step... interesting,

I know what you mean scorpiomoon, and i'm having a hard time letting go of that evil part of me, that snappy sarcastic tongue that wants to lash out at people that I perceive are doing me wrong, and I'm no better than they are when I give in to that... I hate that about me!

They did mention that it will be rebroadcast on THursday...

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 11:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Beachcomber, my Grandma was like yours, she gave to PTL, and many of the other TV Preachers, so I understand what you are saying.

When my Grandma died, I couldn't believe all the crap she was suckered into buying from thos TV preachers.

I guess watching this show and seeing Tammy in a different light let me forgive her as I really feel she is a good person now.