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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 2:28 pm
Escapee, I bet you'd have to stand in line.. I just want to reach into the TV and lift Leah out of there! Often! Catelynn and Tyler.. heck I want to adopt them, too.. hope they do become the first in their families to graduate.. High School and college too. I think you are onto something, Frogi, with the meds issue. Amber lost that weight really fast, it would seem and I do know she has worked out for it too (not to mention being young so the body does bounce back faster) but she seems not to have learned much. Heck, it wasn't that far back that she thought she was pregnant AGAIN. And this new boyfriend.. he knows all the flattery buttons to push and is quick to want to stick it to Gary.. but NOT someone I'd want caring for a toddler and she seems just ecstatic to let him do it all. He may be a great guy but he's on work release for a reason. Farrah, I admire her so much but wow does she come off as the bratty mouthed princess with her parents! Whew! I hope she sticks with that therapist who is at least telling her she needs to meet her mom halfway and do some forgiving.. and she's telling her mom the same. Too bad dad isn't there for some sessions as well. But at least they ARE doing the work so far. And Sophia has three in the world who adore her. It just killed me when Farrah walked right into that car scam. Macy.. seems like she overwhelmed Kyle by moving to Nashville but then assuming he would fill all her time.. and he's a good guy and WORKS (a concept unknown to Ryan).. I just wanted to tell her.. get a job, take a class, don't sit around and then he comes home to a needy time bomb. But she's great with Bentley. I hate that Ryan's mom is manipulating to take time away from Maci .. what if her parents sued for equal grandparent time? But again, at least Bentley has two sets of grandparents who love him and a mom. I will say the program is well done and hopefully raises awareness with some kids or parents. I know they are getting coverage in magazines lately and hope that doesn't glamorize things.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 2:33 pm
I think back to Gary on Amber's birthday when she was wanting to go out with her friends and Gary was so passive aggressive about it and purposely made it so she couldn't go/had to go way later than intended because he refused to come watch Leah. That's the kind of manipulation I was talking about. Then of course, they got in a fight over it right in front of Leah on the phone with all her friends there. IIRC, it was his friend in the car that was egging it on and Gary was laughing because he had ruined her night out.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 2:42 pm
I felt for Gary in that instance.. he wanted to be the one celebrating with her for her birthday.. I think they were "on" as far as engaged for 10 minutes around that time.. and all she wanted was for him to take Leah off her hands and she wasn't gracious at all about it. Treated him like roadkill in her need to go party without him. But I also think that with most of these young people, their friends often give them terrible advice (and some good advice) and much of it is egging them on to behave badly to the other person.. That night his friend wasn't real helpful in that way.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 2:45 pm
Sea, I get that. It makes sense. However, it seemed that they had it worked out so she could go and hang out with her friends then he messed up her plans because they were not what HE wanted. Not his birthday. I wouldn't want to sit home either. They are a mess. Ryan/Maci....good lord he's a spoiled brat. It didn't work because HE didn't want it to. She had to grow up fast, and he didn't wanna. So he did all he could to ruin their relationship.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 2:54 pm
I think Gary was cool about it until his friend said something about her going without him. That "friend" was really an instigator. I'm not saying Gary is an angel, I just don't think he's trying to anger her. He was mad in that situation but for the most part, she loses it at the drop of a dime. I honestly don't think Farrah does all of it on her own. She dresses pretty well, as does Sophia, for someone doing it on her own. I think her parents do a lot of supporting of her. Farrah is so much like her mother. I said in the last thread that Amber had to be on something. She got so skinny too fast.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 2:58 pm
When Amber stated she basically parented herself, it made complete sense. Poor Leah is also parenting herself at this very young age. She doesn't trust Amber and feels more secure with Gary (and poss. his Mom.) I agree Amber is on something. If any child should have been given up for adoption, it's Leah. Such old eyes for a baby. Amber doesn't seem to know how to parent. I'm with you Escapee re how Gary acted on Amber's birthday. Too bad if he wanted to be with her; they hadn't been getting along. He acted horribly. She seemed much more stable when he wasn't around; not necessarily for Leah, but in her life in general. I feel she will just go back with Gary for security and low self esteem. It will never work that way between those two. None of these children seem to have toys that teach and entertain or playpens for that matter. They all just wander around the house, except maybe for Bentley. They have no structure. Ryan's parents should be ashamed of themselves for enabling him to be a lazy son and Dad. The court should do surprise home visits and cut his time if he isn't present at all times during Bentley's visits.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 3:42 pm
The way little Leah runs up to her parents when they are arguing and looks at them, is just so sad. I've seen Leah's toys in the house, maybe we just don't see the toys. But baby Sophia does seem sit on the couch an awful lot.
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Kathyb
Member
05-17-2006
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 3:43 pm
I agree. I don't think Maci should have to fight Ryan's parents for time with Bentley. She and Ryan made an agreement they were both content with, and it's obvious that his parents pushed him to get more time. Not fair. I know that Bentley needs his grandparents too, but their pushing Ryan to get more time for their benefit is not at all fair.
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Willsfan
Member
09-04-2000
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 8:05 pm
"None of these children seem to have toys that teach and entertain or playpens for that matter. They all just wander around the house, except maybe for Bentley. They have no structure." I noticed that too. MYV doesn't show everything so hopefully the Teen Moms teach their kids how to play with learning toys like blocks, puzzles, etc. and read them a book at night. Poor lil Leah. I just want to hug and hug her. She seems so unhappy. Her sweet little face crying watching her dad leave (on one show) almost made me cry. If I was her grandmother I would try to keep her as much as possible. Catelynn's mother is so hateful! She says she loves her daughter but then makes fun of her & calls her a b*****. I wouldn't want to live with a person like that. I could talk all night about this show. LOL I read the MTV Teen Mom Season 2 message boards.
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Queenie
Member
07-09-2007
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 4:23 am
Maci- love her I think she is going to be okay and heading in the right direction. Ryan- I am sick of looking at the inside of his mouth! He is always yawning! What for , for heavens sakes?? Does he even work?? Ty&Catelyn-They know that they made the best decision for Carly. Thank you for breaking the cycle Amber-ugggggg, no words for her! (For someone who was asking about her siblings).....I do remember the episode of her baby shower, she was talking to her brother on the phone who was away in the military. Farrah- She is really a hard nut to crack. I like her when she lets her guard down. I hope she has a relationship with Sophias aunt.
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Lurkin
Member
02-15-2002
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 11:18 am
Farrah sure makes an ugly face when she cries. Still do not understand why Derek's parents do not want to be a part of their grandchild's life. I sure hope Cate & Ty will succeed in life. they deserve the best. I feel for the little brother living thru that. Amber said during the Dr,Drew show that she knew what she was doing hitting , just didnt realize how much. right there is an admission of guilt of assault in my opinion.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 11:32 am
Lurkin: Something tells me that there was really bad ju ju between Farrah and Derek there at the end. I remember on 16 and pregnant he called her and asked her if she was pregnant and she wouldn't tell him because her mom said not to. And he was SCREAMING at her. I think that it was a safety issue, like maybe he was abusive toward her or something. Now, the reason I think this is because she alluded to it. I dated a 'hitter' in high school and his parents got mad at me for 'pushing his buttons' (I never instigated it, it was always things like I wouldn't have sex with him, so he'd push me out of the room and knock me down, or he'd get a bad play in football and blame me for distracting him and I would explain I wasn't even there, and he'd grab my hair and tell me not to back talk him) His mom witnessed it more than once and never said anything to him about his abusive personality just told me that I probably shouldn't antagonize him so much. Farrah said Derek was mean. I wonder if his parents just don't want to be a part of the show.
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Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 12:02 pm
(((Esapee)))
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 1:05 pm
Escapee, I am so sorry that you had to go through that. I agree that Farrah and Derek's relationship was not a good one. Her mom said as much and I think in her mind, she was protecting her by not telling him about the baby. We do many things in the name of love. Lurkin, I am glad that I'm not the only one that thinks that about Farrah's face when she's crying. It's like it's perfectly fine and then suddenly is all scrunched up. I know it's a petty peeve but at least I'm not alone.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 1:33 pm
Oh, I'm tougher, smarter, and happier now and have found it within myself to forgive this individual. He has personal inner struggles, four kids, and a wife who he has been in jail for abusing (and she him). She even stalked me for a while. Her previous marriage, she was abused. Both of them are mentally and emotionally unstable and his mom takes care of their kids, thank goodness. (I work with his sister). Feel bad for them, not me, LOL. I was not abused as a child, but I watched my mother get abused and not do anything about it until she landed in the hospital and step dad went to the pokey. Turbulent time in my young teen years then and I started dating this guy not long after that. I was in too deep by the time I realized what was happening, but I was smart enough to know I wanted OUT. It was such a sticky web where you have to see someone every day at school, they follow you to class, get violent if you even say HI to another guy or sit by one in class. The embarrassment of my peers, to me, at that time was worse than just abiding by his rules. Thank god one of my friends got drunk and slept with him so I had an 'easy' out. Which wasn't, because he broke the jaw of the guy I started seeing after that. Lovely. Also, this is why I see the Gary/Amber situation a little differently and know that she is 100% wrong for hitting, but he's wrong for pushing and not walking away from it with their daughter and handling things in a healthy way so Amber can too. Some people get into abusive relationships because it's all they have ever known, therefore they are indoctrinated to push the buttons, even start the fights because they are distraught, or angry, or stressed and they can't handle conflict in a healthy way (that's why you have abusers and those who are always abused). It's almost like a domination thing. If I can rile you up enough to strike me, at least you care enough about what I am saying to get riled up. The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference and bad attention is better than no attention. Gary needs just as much help as Amber. They need to do this for their child. Farrah's face is like that when she cries because she's trying to hold it in, let the tears flow hon, it's ok!
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 8:10 pm
Great post, Escapee. Isn't it funny..actually sad...how the cycle just goes on and on. So glad you got out of your cycle when you did and put a stop to it right there. You hit the nail on the head about Gary. There was a headline in a rag mag today at the store that Amber is being investigated by Social Servies re custody of her daughter. I hope they follow through and someone looks out for this little girl.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 8:14 pm
I was pleased that several times, when Amber got out of hand, Gary did scoop up the baby and take her out of the situation.
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Chitchat58
Member
07-25-2008
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 7:56 am
I read on the MTV boards that Amber was in Walmart with Leah, and Leah was throwing socks and things down in the aisle an employee saw this, and Amber told the employee that if she said anything that Amber would meet her outside in the parking lot later. Also the article said she threw Gary out of the house with only his underwear on, the police were called and Gary told them that Amber was under alot of stress due to a domestic violence charge filed agaisnt her. I don't know what to make of this couple they really shouldn't even be together IMO, but I guess Gary is an enabler, and Amber takes full advantage of that.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 10:21 am
Wow, Chitchat. Obviously, Social Services is taking their time in their investigation. You're right...this couple does not belong together. The last thing Amber, and esp. Leah, need right now is for someone to enable Amber in her bad behavior. I wish they'd let Leah stay with Gary's mother until they've bone gone to counseling and parenting classes.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 3:34 pm
On the other hand, if Gary just walks away, that leaves Leah more vulnerable. And he's afraid of losing Amber (inexplicable as that mey seem) so afraid to have her busted or sue for custody himself. And I don't think his mother is totally supportive, not in a way that would allow Gary to take on the baby full time, or even stay with her full time. I see where his mom doens't want him leaning on her, but Leah is her grandbaby.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 3:43 pm
I wish adoption were more socially acceptable. Not for the baby, as there really is not that stigma anymore of "you're adopted." What I mean is that to place a baby in an adoption, so many people say, even to the mom, "How could you give up your baby?" or "I could (or would) never give my baby up." I know it is a lot more complicated and difficult that just the comments. For example, on a soap opera a year or so ago, a character (teen age girl) was planning to place her baby in an adoption. But she got a lot of flack and then the story changed and she went back and kept the baby. Just seemed to me that storyline would have been so much better if it played out as a successful adoption. They could have shown the win-win situation adoption can be. For the adoptive family, for the baby and (even as painful as it can be) for the birthmom.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 3:50 pm
Gary and his brother DO NOT get along, from what I have seen and his mother favors the brother. When Gary was there with Leah his brother started an argument and his mother told Gary he had to leave. The adoption: People can see how positive Catelynn and Tyler's adoption story is. They know why they did it and they see how wonderful it has been for Carly, who is the most important one. This story shows putting the child's needs FIRST over theirs. It shows if they can do it, so can others. I think this shows the reality of it and why its a GREAT option and shows the selfish one's who cannot care for a baby (Catelynn's Mom) but still get mad because Catelynn didn't do what her mother wanted as ignorant and wrong. I have felt so much respect for Catelynn and Tyler and their choice, especially after my family's adoption story.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 4:12 pm
Totally agree about Catelynn and Tyler and their choice and they had to overcome all the pressure from her mother and his father (also her step father). Yet when there was an article in one magazine, one of the letters to the editor was upset that they were featured and called them selfish for giving up Carly. So often it seems that the girlfriends of the pregnant teen mom put peer pressure on about keeping the baby, but of course most of them have moved on long before the cord has been cut and aren't any support. Very selfish. It does seem like Gary has no (as Dr Phil puts it) "safe place to fall". Tyler and Catelynn have each other and his mom and sometimes her mom. Amber is also on her own except for Gary, who she pushes away. Her girlfriends seem more intent on encouraging her to spend time away from her responsibilities. She really needs a "Big Sister" to be a sounding board, and support. Farrah has one girlfriend who sticks around, and her parents, despite all the problems and at least they are working together now, so that is good. Maci has friends and her parents and Kyle, who does seem like a good guy. So I do hope Gary and Amber get some real help and support. I loved how supportive Catelynn and Tyler were of the other moms. I could see them working in a group home someday.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 4:25 pm
Sea, they really were very supportive and encouraging of the other girls. And you could see it was so genuine and not just for show. I just love them.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 7:44 pm
Me too.
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