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Naja
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06-28-2003

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 7:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Rissa, Jon found out he couldn't use his lawyer when he showed up to the courthouse that day. Not before. Then, and only then, did that news go out to the tabloids for the world to know.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Unfortunately, happens all the time in courts. Lawyers, while doing their best to defend their client at the time, also look to set things in place for possible appeals down the road. Also, if it was "suddenly" discovered at the last minute that Jon had no representation, he could have had the arbitration delayed. However, if the arbitrator believed that Jon knew ahead of time that his lawyer would not be allowed, he would not grant a delay.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Whether or not he knew, isn't really the point. The preceding went on without Jon having representation, and he got a horrible deal. He is probably asking for the world right now in his new suit hoping to get just a portion of his new terms. I certainly don't blame him at all for wanting the terms changed. He got a bum deal.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
I understand him wanting the terms changed. Every divorcing parent wants the term changed.

However, asking for the world right now, especially considering his past behavior, has a good chance of backfiring on him. He seems to keep finding lawyers and advisors that don't seem to be able to give good advice, but are great at getting their own faces out there for publicity purposes. Maybe it's because he and his lawyers have so much in common :-)

Rissa
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03-19-2006

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Gosselin Family Fansite Oct. 10, 2009 "Under Penn law, an out of state lawyer seeking to practice in a Pennsylvania court must obtain a sponsor who is licensed to practice in the state. Marino signed up as his sponsor, but yesterday, he wrote the court a letter in which he said, "My motion ... is hereby withdrawn." }

Sorry Naja but I don't agree. it absolutely is the point. If Jon is told that IF he comes to court with attorney Heller that Heller will not be able to represent him and Jon brings him anyway then he has no right to cry victim later. If he didn't know then that's a different story. Btw, not saying that the tabloids should be taken as fact just that the story about the attorney was in the public realm long before the December divorce decree.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure, but I think you are confusing the court preceding with the arbitration meeting. The arbitration meeting is where they kicked his lawyer out at the door. I believe he truly thought he could have him present there at the meeting with the arbitrator.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Even if Jon was naive enough to think that he could have his un-licensed lawyer at the meeting, Jon's lawyer would know whether or not he could be at the meeting. And Jon's lawyer was duty-bound to inform Jon of that information. And if Jon's lawyer did not inform Jon of that information before they showed up for arbitration, the arbitrator was duty-bound to delay the proceedings until Jon retained a lawyer. I really doubt it was a huge conspiracy by the State of Pennslyvania, Jon's attorney, Kate's attorney and the State Bar of Pennsylvania to strip Jon of all his rights.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I agree. If Jon's lawyer was kicked out of the arbitration process then they should have immediately petitioned to have a postponement until a time where either Jon's lawyer could have appeared or he could obtain in-state representation.

I don't think that an arbitrator has a right to kick out a lawyer...from my experience an arbitration is a negotiation procedure and not a court procedure.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Courts tend to lose patience with people showing up and then saying they want a lawyer since so many deadbeats use that ploy to prolong things. It wastes everybody's time and costs money

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 9:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Sia, I think teachers can be important to kids and all of the little Gosselins are in school, so they have hours with teachers and other kids at school, too.

I'm not sure how we know how long each nanny works or how many there are? Maybe I missed that info.

Jon's attorney from NY certainly knew he wasn't licensed to practice in PA ahead of time.. and heck when you are just getting a divorce it behooves you to make some effort to get things settled with or without an attorney but if you have children and care even a little, seems like you (or Jon) would do some homework. But it was definitely an issue prior to Jon "suddenly finding out".. perhaps he didn't read anything in the tabloids, but that's his fault, IMO.

I think the point actually is that Jon didn't take this important event seriously enough.. he isn't the victim except of his own stupidity.

Naja, yes I reported that while I watched part of Nancy Grace above.. Jon isn't earning anything, but the money that he took out of the joint account was held in escrow.. translate.. he wasn't allowed to get his grubby mitts on the actual money.. and that money has been paying his $21,000 a month child support.. the attorney insists that Jon is not currently behind in his payments.. but he also quietly said the escrow account would run out of money.. makes sense.. he refused to say who Jon was staying with (reportedly his brother) but did acknowledge that it was in Maryland.

Jon having no lawyer during the negotiations was no one's fault but his own.. passive aggression doens't work real well with the legal system. All he had to do was refuse to sign anything until he did have legal representation.

Instead he arrived at the mediation with a bunch of roses, like that was supposed to melt Kate and/or the mediator?

As for him and the media not knowing.. as I recall, the minute the name of the NY attorney was out in association with Jon all the reports of his misconduct in NY and even not being allowed to practice for a time were also out in the media.. I do remember reading questions as to whether Jon could be represented by him in PA. When Jon got him, Kate got an attorney based in Los Angeles to help fight the mess Jon started (with the NY attorney) thinking they could get TLC to let him out of his contract, but she also got a PA attorney for the work IN PA (the mediation, separation, divorce proceedings).

It seemed from what the new attorney was saying the whole slant now, besides painting Kate as the evil person who never sees her kids and keeps Jon away from them (there was a recent photo of Jon with four of the kids in People mag, in a section with other pics of celebs and their children) they want to blame everything now on bad representation, or lack of it.

Such a victim, Jon.

But somehow, seemingly penniless himself, sleeping on his brother's couch.. his attorney also says Jon is househunting in Pennsylvania (this said when asked where exactly Jon was going to father the kids when he takes custody from Kate). The attorney was smart enough not to say.. well he'll just take the house too and since Kate will be paying child support (and he has asked for spousal support too, claiming TLC won't allow him to work at all) I guess he thinks he can live off her.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 9:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
I'd love to know what people have against nannies. We have friends in Westchester, NY who get a new nanny every year for their children so the kids won't get too attached to them because the parents both have high powered jobs (not in entertainment) that require them to be out of town quite often and when in town, working a lot of hours. Those kids are perfectly well adjusted and feel well loved by their parents. Not all parents can be home all the time.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
it's the 50's again and women aren't allowed to work outside the home or ever leave even if their kids are old enough to be in school all day.
all those working women who put their kids in day care or have nannies are just out right terrible mothers.
you can only be a good mother if you are home every single day, at the absolute beck and call of your children.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 8:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Yes, Texannie. You are so right. And, you best have dinner on that table at six sharp, the house clean, and be all dolled up when your husband gets home. ;)

Now, What I would give to be able to afford to be home with my kids all day, time to cook and time to clean. I would be in heaven. Unfortunately, in today's day and age, I don't have that luxury. We have to be a 2 income family, esepcially here in CA.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
My memory isn't the greatest, but it seemed when the kids were little Kate had a "no nannies" mantra, giving off an illusion that she did all the caretaking, etc. that she had an aversion to nannies raising her kids. So, I just find it kind of interesting that she'd rather have nannies doing it now than have the dad or some other relative. She's alienated most of the relatives these kids have and it seems she's trying to push their dad out as well (which doesn't surprise me at all), rather than try to mend or build that relationship with the dad back up. I don't see her doing things that are in the best interest of the kids, only what's in her best controlling interest. And I don't fault her for working at all! Of course she has to work.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
And how many women do you know that aren't allowed to work outside the home?

Not that it necessarily applies to Kate, but if one of the partners travels and is away for extended periods, surely that must be a factor in considering custody?

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I know of 2, honestly Jimmer. However, I hope you know in my first paragraph I was being facetious.

Tmagicsaq
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03-26-2004

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tmagicsaq a private message Print Post    
She has said in interview (from DWTS)that her sister also watches the kids.
I had a baby sitter everyday when i was little,i like to think i turned out ok. :-)

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Does Kate really spend that much time away from the kids during the hours they aren't in school? I thought she was practicing at home in her basement while the kids were home from school and at a local dance studio during their school hours and flying to do the show when the show tapes and flying home after the show tapes. Am I incorrect?

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I don't know, but a lot of the clips from the show sure look like they're in her home, excluding the one when she and Tony had a disagreement.

Yesitsme
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08-24-2004

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yesitsme a private message Print Post    
I would imagine that the realities of having eight children, especially in the context of divorce, changes your mind on all kinds of issues. So does time and growing up. My guess is that Kate's opinions could have changed from knowing she has to produce an income to raise her kids, not having confidence in her ex's ability to provide for or look after the kids (regardless of whether it is the truth or not), and now being able to afford to hire quality people and not continually depend on friends and family to watch her kids.

I have had strong opinions on all kinds of subjects and changed my mind as I have learned and grown...and in some cases just gotten tired of the work it takes to stay on a high horse. You have to give people a break! As time goes on, the more I appreciate people that speak strong opinions....and also when a person is able to change those strong opinions and disregard the people who want to wave their old words in their faces.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Yesitsme, good post :-)

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I second that, awesome post Yesitsme!

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Seriously... I totally agree with Yesistme. As a matter of fact, I sold my high horse several years ago and now I only get on low ponies.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I've graduated to the rocking kind.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
amen, yesitsme!!!