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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 12:43 pm
Kate does bash Jon (and her son she deems like him) in her new book. She said he was a 'ladykiller, but the gals would find out he was really clueless' just like Jon. What a nice Mom...not! Jon apologized for his remarks months ago. To date, Kate still refuses to completely acknowlege how awful she was to Jon. In the youtube video of her recent Today show appearance, she skates around it.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 12:48 pm
That's something that bothers me about the Kate Jon situation. Jon can't take advantage of opportunities like Kate can, and oh boy is she. She's got the world sympathizing with her because of Jon's indiscretions. Bingo, Shenanagan. That has been the main thing in all this that has bothered me. Calling Jon a deadbeat Dad when his hands have been tied by TLC (and indirectly Kate) is so wrong. She will not let him on her show...finally admitted that and he is still under contract to TLC. When he did interviews on the street on ET, he was pretty good. Jon is a likable guy who was dumped and retaliated immmaturely, but he is still way more approachable than Kate will ever be.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 12:51 pm
How are his hands tied if all he has to do is get approval from them? Cricket, the book has come out?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 12:57 pm
His hands are tied if they won't give him approval. And that appears to be the situation. Also, Jon's notoriety does not make him a good candidate for a "regular" job at this point. Kate isn't a good candidate for a regular job either but at least she has other options. LOL - I wouldn't hire either of them.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 1:34 pm
When did Kate's book come out? Or is that just made up stuff?
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 2:39 pm
Jon's hands are tied by TLC because of the contract that Jon signed and then refused to abide by, not because of Kate.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 2:59 pm
TLC did not "get the court" to do anything. The contract Jon signed limited his opportunities.. in other words, he wasn't allowed to continue going on shows to badmouth TLC. He tied his own hands when he. 1.Signed contracts. 2.Took money for services under those contracts. 3.Then violated the contract in various ways AND halted production of the show which was being filmed under the contract he signed. Yep he had bad advice and he somehow thought that he could scoff at the contract and TLC would do nothing.. and he was wrong.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 3:06 pm
Maybe I didn't phrase it properly then. My understanding is that TLC took Jon to court and the court enforced the contract. Bottom line - TLC got pissed off about Jon pulling the plug on the show and won't let him do anything else as a result but they will let Kate pursue other opportunities because she was willing to go forward with the show. So TLC is holding Jon to his contract to display his children on TV or he has to suffer the consequences. Of course, the court doesn't act on a whim. I know that. Or am I misunderstanding something?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 3:19 pm
By the way, Jon and Kate must have signed a very bad contract if there was no option for them to stop the shows if they felt it was negatively affecting their children.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 3:21 pm
TLC counter sued but Jon sued them first over.. heck I forget.. kids, contract (he was apparently saying he was incapable of making the decision on a contract at the time he first signed and I guess at subsequent times when they signed up for renewal of contracts. TLC got pissed off when Jon started acting out in public in ways that they felt detracted from the show he was contracted to do. TLC got pissed off when Jon went off on trips, started wearing Ed Hardy clothing off and on camera, which caused them to blur out the logos. TLC got pissed when Jon and Hailey bad-mouthed TLC with signs and T shirt logos ("Lies Lies Lies" was one Jon wore WHILE being taped for the show with the kids at a location where the paparazzi had total access (the fire station).. he spend his time at the lemonade stand while letting the firemen babysit the kids. This was after he and Hailey had spoken out badmouthing TLC, so it was quite clear what the T shirt referred to. And of course he and Hailey were on as many tabloid shows as would take them, again, bad mouthing Kate and TLC. It was only after he continued to ignore requests to cease and desist that they announced that after a certain date the show would become Kate + 8 and that Jon would still be included when he was avaiable AND that he would continue to draw the same salary.. and at that point Jon sued them and halted the show. And then they countersued to enforce the contract and get a court to order him to stop violating the contract. So it wasn't just out of the blue that TLC and then the court shut him down. So yes, they did finally take him to court but not without rather extreme provocation.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 3:23 pm
Well whether he was right or wrong I still stand by my comment that Jon and Kate must have signed a very bad contract if there was no option for them to stop the shows if they felt it was negatively affecting their children.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 3:31 pm
I think they always said there was such a clause. But of course one has to suspect the motives when Jon chose to halt production ONLY after (and immediately after) he learned that he would get less face time on the show.. he admitted later in texts to his now ex bff Michael Lohan that he thought TLC would back down and let him have his way on other projects after he acted to throw out the camera crews. There are many video clips of Jon telling the camera that the children were not being harmed by the filming of the show, so it wasn't until his, as he said "epiphany" that he changed his mind and of course since then he has floated the idea that he could return to the show and work with Kate and kids so apparently he is not so worried about exposure as long as he gets his way. And one thing he wasn't allowed to do was persue the idea of having his kids as models for his proposed kids clothing line with Ed Hardy.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 3:33 pm
I'm not understanding your comment, Jimmer. Jon did have the right to stop the program, and did. As I understood it the contract contained the clause that either parent could stop the show because of the kids.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 3:40 pm
It seems I need to be more precise. Jon and Kate must have signed a very bad contract if there was no option for them to stop the shows if they felt it was negatively affecting their children without TLC preventing them from pursuing other interests as a consequence of stopping the show. Jon's true reasons for stopping the show may be interesting but they are irrelevant to what I am commenting on.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 4:02 pm
most tv contracts have a non-compete clause for x amount of time. think of conan o'brien.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 4:13 pm
Yes but as part of that contract they are still paying Conan. They aren't still paying Jon are they?
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 4:20 pm
Jimmer, according to everything I have read, they got payed "per episode". So if that is true, Jon and Kate have been payed nothing since the last "Jon & Kate" branded show, (although Kate got payed for her "special" which was separate from the +8 show).... and with Jon's contract up soon (two weeks?), he won't be payed at all for this new series of specials that Kate and kids will be doing this year.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 4:24 pm
Do we know that Jon has ever ASKED TLC for permission to do some other appearances? AFAIK, he has not, just whines that they have control...
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 4:26 pm
No, we don't know, Karuuna, which is why we can't attack him about it.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 4:41 pm
I think people may be more comfortable with TLC's position on this issue simply because they don't like Jon and/or Kate all that much. Let's pretend that Jon and Kate were both wonderful people in a loving relationship. They decide that doing the show is harming their children and ask TLC to be released from the contract (or signed a better contract in the first place). Then Kate (who everyone, including Jon, loves) gets the opportunity to do DWTS and make some money to support her family. TLC says NO – you aren't doing our show so you aren't doing DWTS either! What would we think of TLC?
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 4:44 pm
I totally understand that view, Jimmer. And I think it is truly the case. Jon has been hindered from making outside money on his 15 minutes fame, while Kate is given the blessing.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 4:49 pm
That they were able to enter into a great contract with a couple of people who were lured by the publicity and cash. TLC has done nothing wrong. These people went into "show business" with their eyes wide open.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 5:09 pm
Jon was an adult when he signed the contract. We all sign contracts during our lives and it is up to us to read and understand them, ask questions and, if necessary, get legal advise before we sign. I've signed for car loans, a mortgage and later a refinanced mortgage. As young as age 19 I worked where I had to sign a non-disclosure contract at my place of work (we had contracts with DOD and the Army) and also had to obtain a security clearance and understand that if I was caught in a lie it wouldn't go well for me. Jon and Kate too may have not understood the first time they signed with TLC and it sure would have been a good idea to have someone other than TLC look over the contract and explain it to them. But as I understand it they signed subsequent contracts as time went on and if he was feeling constrained by then he surely could have gotten advise at any of those points. So, if he suddenly didn't like abiding by the contract, oh well. Then he just had to wait until the contract was over and either refuse to sign again or re-negotiate At first they had the show, then they started speaking at churches and elsewhere and making a bit more money. Jon and Kate would go but pretty quickly he decided he didn't like doing that, so it became her job alone to speak. Surely he was aware that TLC had to approve of those activities. And his recorded conversations with Michael Lohan made it quite clear that he knew he was violating the contract with his various activities around the time of Hailey, Kate Major, NY apartment, etc., but he was sure they were going to let him call their bluff. I don't see him as some innocent babe in the woods in all of this. But since we don't know of any proposal Jon made to them that was turned down, we don't know if he has tried anything through channels to go with the contract. The end of the contract will be interesting and I'm sure we'll be seeing and hearing from Jon more often. As for Jon being not allowed to see the kids, People had another picture of him with kids on April 11 and one of the tab shows showed him this week where he'd apparently been zooming around on his quad or atv and gotten soundly stuck in the mud on the property where the kids live and presumably were.. the paps here happily filming.. no report if they then went to his rescue or just what he did, but he was clearly there at the house this week.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 5:43 pm
As to your example, Jimmer, if TLC had prevented Jon or Kate to forever be unable to earn income in the public eye, I would think your example would be spot on. But, they are not an indentured servant to TLC. There are time limits to the contract. As to Jon's reputation preventing anyone from hiring him, how is that anyone else's fault but his?
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 6:09 pm
Cricket, the book has come out? Yes, it has..I believe it came out this week and that's why Kate has been on the Today Show and the Tonight Show. She said a few weeks ago she couldn't wait to go on her new book tour. Many are upset with Kate putting private things about her children in a book that will be permanent. Amazon has some interesting reviews.
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