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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, December 03, 2010 - 5:40 pm
He chose to move away? What was his alternative? To battle Kate?
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, December 03, 2010 - 5:43 pm
I have no doubt that Kate does love her kids, but overall I think she is the one who has caused them more frustration.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Friday, December 03, 2010 - 5:55 pm
Jon has been more of a pal to his kids than a parent. He let them do what they wanted until HE was tired of it. He moved away rather than staying nearby when they needed the reassurance that Daddy would be around. Whatever anyone says about Kate, she has been consistent. She has rules, the kids know the rules and know what will happen when they don't follow them. All kids need to know what the rules are, and that the parent will be there no matter what even if the parent has to be away for work now and then.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 03, 2010 - 6:19 pm
Julieboo.. yes he CHOSE to move to NY and sign up for that very expensive bachelor pad that he shared with Hailey and then later got booted out and tried to blame Hailey for trashing. No way did Kate or anyone else on earth force him to leave Pennsylvania where his children were, and move to Manhattan. He had infinite alternatives to that OR battling Kate.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 12:31 pm
There is more than enough blame to go around for both these parents as far as the well being of the children. I don't think they are any worse off (mentally healthy speaking) even if their parents continued to live together and continued to treat each other in the same manor we saw.....there was no love between the 2 parents and the kids would suffer either way. I think the more condemning issue was/is that they were/are living their life in a fish bowl. It was an unrealistic life style. Their reality of life was skewed. The kids are going to be teens before we all know it and I have a bad feeling that rehab, bad relationships, and law enforcement issue will crop up in many of these childrens lives. When one of there kids is arrested or in the mist of addiction Jon and Kate will realize that the bait of TV and $$$$$ was not worth the pain it's caused their children. And I call complete BS on Jon and Kate saying that the TV show is the only way they would have been able to support their kids.....no way is that true.....it was just easier. Me thinks their egos won out over what was best for the family. And I believe that even without the TV show Jon and Kate would have divorced....maybe not as soon as they did but eventually because there was zero love between them once the sextuplets were born....that was the end of their family. I also believe their marriage was long done before Jon left to be with other women. Of course these are just my opinions of this public family. I realize people have other opinions and by no means do I think others don't have a right to their own opinions.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 12:51 pm
The kids are going to be teens before we all know it and I have a bad feeling that rehab, bad relationships, and law enforcement issue will crop up in many of these childrens lives. When one of there kids is arrested or in the mist of addiction Jon and Kate will realize that the bait of TV and $$$$$ was not worth the pain it's caused their children. These things are happening in good families with attentive parents who have never been on television. Of course many will blame the TV show, Jon or Kate if any of these kids go astray, but in reality it will be because any kid can buy or sell drugs at any high school. These kids have an inherited inclination towards addiction and there are so many of them that at least one will do whatever it takes to be the center of attention. My guess is Maddi <sp?> because she seems to need/want attention more than the others.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 1:14 pm
I wonder what Jon and Kate's life would be like if they either never had more kids after M&K or if they only had a singleton or one more set of twins. (And I know it would not be worth it in that most of the sextups would not be here, but I am just wondering what would have happened in their lives if they never became more than "normal.")
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 1:20 pm
No one knows. Despite what many people hope, life is unpredictable. I doubt that they would be any better off though if they hadn't done the show. They would have just had different pressures to deal with.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 1:51 pm
Sure people of all walks of life have addiction issues and trouble with the law or pick abusive partners, that's a given, but in the case of the Goselin kids with their lives are being filmed and the nasty divorce and all the trappings of of fame will undoubtedly cause additional issues so they have a double, triple whammy to deal with. Their future will be more difficult than if they were never put in a public fishbowl. And given the pure hatred of their parents for one another is a scarring blow to the children. Their chances have gone up higher than kids who haven't been Truman-ized by tlc and their parents. Look it's already starting and at such a young age. How many 6 year olds do you know of that are asked to leave a private school, I don't know of any. Lot's of my friends have gone through divorce or lost a parent and they managed to deal with school without anger issues popping up so strongly that they are asked to leave. This is just the start of the end and this was all a man made disaster for these kids. And of course my crystal ball isn't infallible LOL.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 1:59 pm
Their future will be more difficult than if they were never put in a public fishbowl. Pretty sure that is true.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 2:10 pm
But we really won't know (even if we say we know) since you cannot rewind any life. You just have to deal with what you are dealt and so will they.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 2:37 pm
"""You just have to deal with what you are dealt and so will they.""" So true. Sometimes people learn to deal as they go and sometimes people learn to deal after they've hit rock bottom. Let's hope more of them than not learn as they go. A couple of them are already not dealing very well and they are so young...heartbreaking!
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 4:41 pm
Sometimes the children who act out their pain end up in a better place than the ones who stuff it down.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 5:07 pm
How many 6 year olds do you know of that are asked to leave a private school, I don't know of any. Quite a few actually. But then I work with troubled kids, so I see them from all walks of life from public school to private school and all kinds of income levels.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 5:11 pm
I really do agree that the public life of these children adds to their stress and complicates their being able to deal with the divorce. Absolutely. Who wouldn't act out after seeing their dad's face all over the paper with headlines about bars and young women?? That is extremely humiliating. And yes, in many ways they have had privileges that can be disorienting to children as they grow -things most kids don't get to do, or at least not at the same frequency. At the same time, many children are very highly stressed these days by their parents NOT having enough money. So I also think it's not the public life that's the problem. While trickier to navigate many people parent very well even tho they or their children are celebrities of sorts. And many parents who have no riches, or publicity do very poorly. Ultimately, it's not the tv show. It's the quality and stability of the parenting that matters most.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Monday, December 06, 2010 - 10:27 am
So Kate Plus Eight are going on Sarah Palin's Alaska.... 
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, December 06, 2010 - 10:37 am
Luckily I don't have to deal with (in my real life) any 6 year olds that get thrown out/ asked to leave school because they are too disruptive or violent. And I've spent a lot of time in my kids grade schools and never ever in the 10 years I spent in my kids grade school has a child been expelled from elementary school. I know I live in my small little world but it SHOCKS me that 2 six year old kids from the same family were asked to leave school.....shocking. Regardless of which factors are to blame for these kids being out of control at school it's very sad and I'm afraid it's just the beginning of a troubles for these kids. I'm hoping that at least a few of them skate by into adulthood without too many problems.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Monday, December 06, 2010 - 10:53 am
Lilfair, FWIW, I volunteered at my DS's school also, and I was shocked that some of them *weren't* expelled at 6. Private schools are generally more strict than public. I have seen short term suspensions at that age, frequently as well. So, no, I don't find it shocking at all.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, December 06, 2010 - 1:46 pm
I guess my kids and I are lucky our schools seem to have kids without many disciplinary issues. Still it shocks me that six year old children can behave badly enough that they are asked to leave....I've never heard of such a thing. I guess I should feel lucky that my kids weren't around other kids that behaved in a manor that they no longer were welcome in the school. I bet the parents are thankful those 2 kids are gone too. It's very sad.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Monday, December 06, 2010 - 2:09 pm
Yes, Lilfair, I would say you and your children are very fortunate. Because I honestly do not find severe disciplinary and emotional problems at an early age highly unusual. Yes, they are the minority. But no, I wouldn't call them uncommon. I tried very hard to get help for a friend of my DS in *kindergarten*, because I could already see that there were problems and more severe ones to come. You know what his kindergarten teacher told me? "He's only my problem for one year." I spoke to the parents multiple times over the next few years, to no avail. Yes, he went on to have more and more severe problems. Multiple suspensions. Eventual expulsion. The parents? Divorced. A very very angry divorce at an early age. Sound familiar?
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, December 06, 2010 - 2:57 pm
Very sad, but I think I read that the kids are getting some help now...so that is a step in the right direction.
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Erniesgirl
Member
06-26-2006
| Monday, December 06, 2010 - 4:53 pm
I noticed that Kate and kids are going to be on Sarah Palin's Alaska show next Sunday (hint - it didn't go well).
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, December 06, 2010 - 5:02 pm
I've seen clips all over TV and the internet. I wouldn't have expected anything else. I might just watch LOL- so TLC did their job.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Monday, December 06, 2010 - 5:08 pm
I have been watching Palin's show. I like it, a lot. I'd smack willow if she were my kid, but the rest of her brood seems quite likeable. Trig is so darn cute! And Track, is he the eldest child? How old is he? He's very handsome.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, December 06, 2010 - 5:18 pm
The entire family has good looks. I've seen a few mins of the halibut batting...it was hard to watch so I clicked the remote pretty fast. But the entire family are easy on the eyes.
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