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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 2:28 pm
Okay I got a question for the board. Should Jon have to pay 22,000 dollars a month child support? Seems everytime a divorce happens the woman gets the kids and the child support. Why is it that he's having this monthly bill when he's not the one with the million dollar check for a book or the DWTS check. I know I'll get some good answers to this. I never watched their show except once and Kate, to me, was rude and I didn't get interested in it after that. So I know very little about all of this. So if anyone knows please share the answer. Thanks.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 2:41 pm
At the time, the order of support was based on his income. His income has changed, and he has every right to go back into court and petition for a reduction in child support. I don't see any problem with that. According to him, he's been paying the support out of his divorce settlement. I would like to see an effort in earning an income, rather than depleting the settlement money, but it is what it is. He is limited in what he can do, based on his actions in the past by not adhering to his contract. I, for one, am glad that Kate received custody of the kids. Jon's lifestyle since the divorce does not seem like a good environment for the kids.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 2:47 pm
I don't know about Penn state law, but in california I think it is 50/50 custody unless contested by the parent or not feasible. 50/50 needs no child support. However, if at any time it's more than 50/50, then the less participative parent has to pay to support their children. In this case, it must not be feasible to be 50/50 since John left the STATE! Therefore a judge would grant Kate physical custody and since John is not in the house, he would have to pay his portion of supporting the kids based on his income or account balances. They just don't throw numbers out there willy nilly for child support. There is a reason a judge came up with that amount, thus he must have that kind of money on a monthly basis to pay that. Now, whether or not he pays is another matter, and if he does not, then he is considered dead beat dad, his bank account and wages are attached and the state draws it directly before he is cut any kind of check. Now, since John moved out, Kate has the house, might be because she had the means to maintain it, or it is owned by TLC and they allowed Kate to live there. Plus, uprooting the kids to move somewhere else is not in their best interest during a fragile time, ie: this divorce. Let's keep in mind, daddy didn't move down the street where 50/50 was feasible, he split the state with his tartlet. Good job DAD! My guess is that a judge saw that John left and Kate was allowed to keep the residence and stay in the house, as the stable more responsible parent, and ordered John to pay his dues to his children. Lets not forget the uber nice apartment he had in NYC. The cost of living must be more than $22,000. It does not matter what Kate's income is. A child is entitled to be cared for and supported by both parents. The judge will not care who makes more. Who makes more has no bearing on who the children go with or what the other must pay. You can imagine if John had custody, Kate would be paying out a lot more than $22,000 per month, hence the reason John wants custody: To pay the Nannies so he can go out and spend the child support money.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 2:47 pm
I have never really been sure how the $22,000/month came up. At the time, neither of them seemed to have any income except for the show. (well, and kate's books). I mean this in the nicest way possible, if you have never watched the show, what drew you to this thread?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 2:52 pm
What draws people to the thread is that Kate and Jon are all over the place. You would practically have to be a hermit on an island to miss them.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 2:53 pm
I was told by others last summer when I was doing Live Feeds in Big Brother that this discussion board had many other shows and they all said "Hope we see you on the other threads" after Big Brother ended. I made friends and explored this board and read the comments. If you've read my posts alot of times in this thread I ask questions because this topic is so red hot and alot of times I don't understand things regarding the Kate and Jon situation and I'm curious.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 3:00 pm
I'd prefer a PM for personal questions and I respond to all PM's I get.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 3:08 pm
Well in the case of this thread, it has grown beyond the show and includes any shows they might be doig as well as general press about them.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 3:09 pm
I watched the show only a few times because those kids were so cute. Yeah, Kate was brash, but I could totally understand why. I couldn't watch it much because I wanted to break my TV when Jon came on. As mothers, fathers, aunts, etc. We all have an interest in kids, how they are raised, and if they are cared for adequately. Don't have to watch the show to discuss it. Her frustration level over Jon's passive aggressiveness was completely understandable. Unfortunately, it made her look like a shrew while he came out smelling like a rose. However, eventually true colors showed through and we see Jon for what he really is and Kate now has 1 less child to care for and can focus on those who need her most, her 8.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 3:12 pm
That's one of the best explanations I've read so far. Thanks.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 3:26 pm
What I find difficult and I see others may have the same issue is stepping outside my little box on topics. I would never judge a stay at home mom for not working. Even though it's not the path I chose, I would never tell another they are a bad parent for what they've done. I am not a stay at home mom, I work my butt off and spend the majority of my time away from my kids (they are at school and at daycare), but everything I do, no matter how flambouyant or miniscule directly effects them. I cannot look at kate, as a working mom who has does whatever I can while I can to provide for my kids, and call her a bad mom because of what she is choosing to do to make money. Bottom line is she is supporting her children, providing for them, probably giving them more than I give my kids, is home when they are home, and does what she does to do that for them. I work to provide and to show my kids it's important to work for what you want in life, if I get a promotion and recognition, does it not benefit my kids? Sure it does. It may take me away from them more at times, but I do what I must. It is NO different than Kate doing another show or whatever. NONE except she'll be with her kids more than I am with mine, probably. If I could afford it, I would be with them all the time too. Those who have that luxury should not throw stones at Kate because she's chosen a different route for her family. I see her as a good mom. I do. I can totally relate to her. My husband works nights, me days, We are single parents during the week. It sucks, it realy does, but it's what we do. My kids are with their dad in the morngin and me in the afternoon. So be very very careful when you look at someone else and judge them as a bad mother, you may just be calling your clubhouse buddy one too.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 3:36 pm
I've never called her a bad mom or even a bad person. I get blown away with her poor me routine because she's rollin in the dough and living it large, heck I'd be thanking my lucky stars. I worked PMs for years while my husband worked days and heck I was watching kids at night all by myself and it does suck. Is why I think she should be happier. She depresses me and always seems so down and beaten. I have no clue at all how she came to be this way. I hope for her sake and her kids sake she snaps out of it and gets more chipper. She probably needs some really good sex and I imagine dating sucks with 8 kids. So maybe it's the lack of sex lol. I'm being silly but kinda serious. She probably needs a good strong man to lean on. I love my Norman, he keeps me sane.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 3:41 pm
But Shenanagon, people who are 'rollin' in dough' are not necessarily happy. Look what she has been through in the last year. Self inflicted or a result of a bad husband, bad situation, whatever she has the right to have the same pity parties we all have. Oh no doubt, good sex can be a cure-all sometimes, ROFLMAO. If not a cure-all....one hell of a band aid. I gotta disagree about a strong man to lean on. You shouldn't have to lean on anyone to get by. Self reliance. It's possible. Sure it's nice, but not necessary. Need a man and want a man are very different things.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 3:45 pm
I agree with you. Money isn't a cure all. I definitely don't get her like you do, but you've given me some food for thought ;)
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 3:46 pm
Shenanagon, I am really sorry if I offended you. I truly did not mean to.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 3:56 pm
I've seen every single episode, and even though I can't stand Kate, I never thought she was a bad mom. I truly just find her personality to be grating and unpleasant, and I also find her unappreciative and rude to her workers. By "workers", I mean the times they had construction things done to their homes and she acted like they are sub-humans. It wasn't just Jon she had that horrible tone with. Plus, she was subtly snarky when she would talk about how Aunt Jodi didn't know what she was doing. (this was back when Aunt Jodi babysat all the time) Oh, and that time it took her 4 hours to clean out the empty refrigerator at the new place had me wanting to scream at her. She kept complaining about how much she has to do. Well sure, if every little job is going to take 4 hours, it will never get done...LOL But, I think she is an ok mom. I am enjoying this new show called "9 By Design" on Bravo. It sort of combines the life of a family with 7 kids with home designing...(LOL)...The parents own a design company. There have only been 2 eps so far.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 3:58 pm
FWIW, even with 50/50 physical custody, child support may still be ordered. The parent making more money will generally be required to pay child support to the parent making less money, to even out the experiences/lifestyle of the children at both homes.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 4:01 pm
That's true Karuuna. WHich leads me to believe Jon has money we don't know about. I still think there is so much more going on that we know. Kate's mum on it for the sake of her kids and John probably mum on it for the sake of his (or what's left of his rep)....I'm thinking he's done Porn. ROFLMAO. But seriously, would it be that unimaginable? Lots of stars have done it... Tony Danza, Burt Reynolds, early in their careers. I'll bet Jon's got a little sumpin sumpin we don't know about.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 4:09 pm
LOL, Escapee, if one was to believe the tabloids and his former lady friends, "little" is a very apt description. Yeah, sorry, had to go there 
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 4:13 pm
ROFLMAO Keldogg, I avoided that, but was thinking the SAME THING. I was trying to avoid being stereotypical. Maybe THAT's the reason Kate had to be inseminated, not enough reach.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 4:14 pm
Kate has to work now while she's a hot commodity. 5 years from now, who knows.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 4:22 pm
Um, how to say this super-diplomatically. Even is size is not a factor, does ANYONE really feel a need to see Jon that way? I think the balding factor combined with the not that hunky factor, combined with his sometimes being zitty factor, and the factor I'm not discussing, and I can't fathom that's it! My completely guessing guess (LOL) is that she had better atty's representing her, while Jon was listening to the Michael Lohan's of the world. Need I say more??!
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 4:24 pm
Also, John surrounding himself with Michael Lohan's, the Dr.'s Pot Smoking Daughter, and other stellar folks just proves that he didn't deserve Kate or the kids. Rock on PA justice system.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 4:42 pm
you're fine Tex I'm a big girl ;) Hey now Lurk Norman's bald and let me tell you he's a big hunk of sexiness to me I agree Ophilliasgrandma that Kate needs to strike while the iron's hot. She'd be a fool to pass up the opportunity to cash in while she's got the fanbase. Alot of good stuff to digest here today. John is immature, IMO, but I don't think he's awful either. I liked that he said he didn't want full custody and was trying to work out things with Kate. I recall Kate speaking of always wanting Jon in the kids' lives and I liked that too. Maybe there will be a happy medium they can reach. That would be a good read.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, April 26, 2010 - 4:45 pm
To clarify I wasn't implying "cashing in" in a negative connotation. I meant simply she's being wise, acting now is smart. I've never thought she wasn't a very intelligent lady.
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