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Msbullwnkl
Member
08-16-2005
| Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 5:26 am
Does anyone else feel like any money that is paid to the Teen Moms should go into a trust for the child's education?
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 6:47 am
Msbullwnkl - I really thought I read that is how it started - the first show of teen moms, that it was stated money is going in a trust fund for the child's education - but I believe it has changed since it became popular... Last night's show - how incredibly sad! That girl matured so fast, that room looked a mess, then the next shot the bed was made. and she is so alone. So alone even when she moved back to her mom's house... It seems the guy stayed with her ONLY because she got picked to be on MTV! and no way did he spend $80 on those shoes - maybe $150 - dont spend money on formula or diapers... and that girl isnt strong enough to stand up to him - so sad... They got him on camera saying dont move in with the girl - and the mom pressuring her to graduate high school, but what support is that child getting? Her first priority is her baby - or maybe the baby is her only solace?
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 10:08 am
Don't have statistics to quote but I would think that in general the best support for a baby born to a teen mom, other than being adopted by one or two responsible ADULTS, would be for the teen mom to at least graduate from HS.
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Scout
Member
01-19-2005
| Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 1:59 pm
Last night's show seemed especially sad and hopeless. And I agree with Mamie that the dad was an incredible loser. Sitting in the chair while his gf is in labor and asking why she was crying?? He has zero empathy. So immature and self-centered. And he couldn't even be bothered to hold the bottle up for his baby? Pathetic.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 3:29 pm
I totally get why the mother kept on her about graduating. She would have been the first in the family and I'm sure that after having her own hardships and watching her other daughters have the same hardships, she felt that staying on top of this daughter would help her to graduate. I hope that she did.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 5:22 pm
So immature and self-centered. And he couldn't even be bothered to hold the bottle up for his baby? Pathetic. I agree, Scout. That baby was so young, she could have easily choked. This guy should be away from both of them. The girl has grown up quick. I do hope she graduates. How many times is it going to take of these gals saying if they had it to do over again, they wouldn't do it before other young girls get the message. No matter how far women's lib has supposedly come, the girls are still left holding the baby, so to speak.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 9:47 am
I dont know, I think there is a large group of teen moms that have a baby so they have unconditional love - and I started to get that feeling from Felicia - ITA that the mom needs to stress the importance of Felicia graduating high school, but somehow mom needs to support her in babysitting so Felicia can study - or what about the school? Felicia should have some support at school to gettutored, up to date? I wondered if pregnancy qualifies for a home tutor? If you were in the hospital for a broken leg, or other medical condition, you do get home tutors... I just hope she does get some counseling - I hope they all do!
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Sia
Member
03-10-2002
| Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 7:10 pm
Is there a separate thread for "16 & Pregnant," or is that show discussed here? I recorded the recent marathon of that series and have been watching it with interest. Very sad to see the girls try desperately to hang onto irresponsible teen boys who have no intention of being faithful to them, of being truly present in their babies' lives, and who are so totally disrespectful to them. Breaks my heart.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 7:35 pm
Some of the tabloids are full of Teen Mom info.. accurate or not of course. One says Gary took Leah when he and Amber split up in mid October. It was the night their reunion aired, but Amber refused to watch, so they were at his place in bed, watching a movie. One of his friends was watching the special and texted Gary and when he answered, Amber accused him of texting a girl and started screaming and beating and finally he just put her outside, in her underwear. The police were called and they took her elsewhere. Gary kept Leah. The newer version of that mag seems to be saying she "stole" Leah from Gary and that her family is saying she's not a monster. Seems she was on Klonapin and perhaps takng several at once.. not so good, and that she wasn't working or anything. Again, who is to say. Gary was taking care of Leah and his mom was helping him some too. Gary is 23. Amber is 20. Maci is 19. Another mag said that some of them stay on the show for the money but that Gary and Amber tend to run through it (of course anything they get is probably after taxes). Oh, also before the last blow up, Amber apologized and gave Gary a $3000 diamond ring! So, yeah, I'd say they are getting their hands on money. Meanwhile Maci came to California for some event with Bristol Palin about preventing teen pregnancy and she wants to move out to CA with Bentley. Kyle came with her but doesn't really want to move and be in the limelight. Ryan says he will sue for custody if she goes but his father did say that the only official custody gives Maci SOLE custody because Ryan never did file the custody agreement they came to with the mediator. ed. shows just how motivated he really is. Maci seems to think she has a deal for her own reality show, but no one is validating that.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, November 05, 2010 - 8:12 pm
Sia, we are just discussing both shows here.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 12:15 am
I think there is a thread for 16/Pregnant too. Works either way, but of course there is much more out there about the Teen Mom four. Subsequent magazine claimes that Amber took Leah back on Halloween and won't give her back. Also that she plans to move from Anderson, Indiana to a safer place. Amber's family says she doesn't abuse those drugs she takes. Also background that she grew up with her parents being loud and violent, drinking, so that is what she knows. So the only time the kids could sleep was during the day when parents weren't shouting which apparently is the reason given for Amber sleeping her days away. but hey! she got up at 9am recently to do something, which I forget. Maci had a party for Bentley's 2nd birthday, mostly her friends (including Kyle, who was pretty low profile) but with active participation by Ryan and both sets of grandparents.. so Bentley got to have a party with his whole family and it was friendly. Good for them and him.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 8:41 am
I wonder if the difference is education and how you were raised? As in it seems really important to Maci/Ryan to have their education.. and it doesnt seem they were raised with excess alcohol/party/screaming I know Anderson IN isnt a "small" city - 59,000 is large enough that you really dont know everybody - and yet, it is small enough where think Amber and Leah need a fresh start - but more than anything they do need good role models, and counseling... financial as well as personal... its all well and good to see Amber cry in front of Dr Drew, but honestly - they help create this mess, they should be responsible enough to fix it - and screw the ratings drama!
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 9:37 am
I worked for almost ten years with HS foreign exchange students, and they were HORRIFIED to see teens here pregnant and having babies. Some of them went to schools that provided day care for students' children which at least keeps the kids - mostly moms, of course - in school with a chance for education and a better life. One of my Norwegian girls called to ask me if what she was told could possibly be true! It seems that one of her classmates had told her that she was trying to get pregnant by her boyfriend because his girlfriend from the previous year had borne him a daughter, and he really wanted a little boy! Sadly, I was pretty sure this was a true statement!
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Sia
Member
03-10-2002
| Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 2:26 pm
One thing I've noticed from watching the "16 & Pregnant" re-runs that I taped during the marathon is that at least a couple of the girls profiled attend schools in which there are many other teen mothers. Do you think it's good for public schools to provide support (parenting classes, in-school day care, evening classes, etc.) for pregnant teen girls, or that having such programs makes it seem more socially acceptable for teens to have babies? Just asking for opinions here.
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Willwillbee
Member
09-20-2001
| Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 4:17 pm
That's a tough one Sia. When I went to high school (*many* years ago) they refused to teach sex education because too many girls were getting pregnant already. In my high school, they segregated the pregnant girls. I am glad they are following the lives of these young people - it is hardly the happily ever after fairy tale. I think it's great for public schools to provide support. I would hope that seeing a teen mom struggle would deromanticize the reality of having a child.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 5:48 pm
In another horrendous take, I was at one of the high schools on a Sr. Citizen tour a couple of years ago and asked the school nurse about birth control information and supplies. She told me that she wasn't allowed to give out either - but she could send the kids to Planned Parenthood!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 6:24 pm
I agree it is tough.. chicken? egg? Girls seem to be getting pregnant whether there is support at school or not, whether there is support at home or not. In our area it seems like generation to generation it is almost expected and you see swarms of very young women (or girls) with babies in strollers, not in school. At least in school the girls who are moms might also be exposed to classes and get some instruction and help with the babies and while they might not "deserve" the help, the babies sure as heck do deserve it! For the sake of those babies, I often think it might be better if the girls had to pass some standards to be ABLE to keep the kids. Honestly there are stricter standards to qualify to adopt a rescue puppy or kitten! And there are hopeful adoptive families available in so many cases. Sure everyone has rights and such but what about the rights of those little ones?
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 10:05 pm
Sia, that is something I wonder about too. I never knew any pregnant teens when I was in high school. I am a mom of 3 teens and have no knowledge of pregnant teens at their schools. We have 2 alternative high schools in town, but my kids are not friends with any of those students. I think it is more socially acceptable for a teen to be pregnant now. But I'm not sure that is the reason for the teen pregnancy rate increasing, if it has increased. I think the show does a fairly good job of showing how hard it is to be a teen mom. (From the episodes I saw. I did not see probably even half. I am a recent viewer.) Although I sure did not think any of those girls deserved a baby shower.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 1:58 am
When I was in HS, any girl that got pregnant would have disappeared from school right away to have the baby at some "home". Any abortions at that time were done in Mexico and quite scary. But I'm really old, so no comparison to current times.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 9:40 am
I don't know how socially acceptable it is for a girl to be pregnant now but I do think schools should have classes for them. Let's help the kids, not deter them from succeeding in life because of whatever mistakes they have made.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 1:04 pm
As I stated further up in this thread, we do have day care programs at the high schools to enable the parnets (read that "MOMS!") continue their educations. However, i would also like to see a birth control component in place! "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" has a very sensible ring to it in my ears!
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Chitchat58
Member
07-25-2008
| Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 3:48 pm
When I was in school in the 1970's my best friend became pregnant and her parent's sent her to a place called A Home for Unwed Mother's. She came back to school after she delivered and graduated on schedule. I knew of a couple of girls who left school because they were pregnant, it wasn't uncommon in my home town, but of course I came from Dog Patch USA...
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 3:55 pm
I had two friends in 1975 who got pregnant and didn't graduate. One married the father (long since divorced) and the other's didn't have anything to do with her after she was pregnant. Neither one graduated with our class, as I recall.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:23 am
The little girl last night had an awful lot of growing up to do. She really made it all about her and not so much about little Liam.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:33 am
I couldn't figure out why the gal on last night's show thought she could graduate a year early having missed a lot of school. She was junior, right...yet she seemed to want to get a diploma (senior) by May. I also don't understand her Dad trying to stop the father from going to college on a scholarship. That's the best thing he could do for his son, especially with what he is wanting to major in. If ever a baby might given up for adoption, this could be the baby. What a bright child this is going to be and better for him to have mature parents that are ready for him. This gal needs to stay with her Dad and finish high school next year and try to get a scholarship or go to a local college if her father/stepmother will allow her to stay there. Let the baby's dad finish college and see where they go from there. He could finish college in 3-1/2 years if he took AP courses in high school Another reason adoption would have worked for them is the fact that this gal doesn't even sound like she's in love with the father. She's much too young to be raising a baby with some of the things that come out of her mouth. I can't help but feel that college would be so good for her as well and hope she doesn't start resenting the baby.
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