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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 12:27 pm
Posted at the same time as you Lurk. I agree. He's fallen and he needs to get it back together.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 12:43 pm
It is not an assumption that Jon has had multiple relations (what is it, six now?) with women much younger than he, in the last year. This is very confusing and disorienting for the children. And of course, he invites the media over also, for photo ops, so we know it's happening. Don't believe for a moment that the children don't know about the custody issue, and yes, that is a big issue for children. Quite terrifying, and more terrifying than watching your parents bicker. I get that Kate has her issues. But she seems to be working on them. Jon just keeps on going down the wrong road, like a crazy energizer bunny. When he straightens up, I'll be glad to pat him on the back, but till then he gets an F in my eyes.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 12:50 pm
Brenda GMTA!! Nice to have company in believing that they both are wrong and they both need to get it together for the kids! But, no surprise, ITA w/you that Jon has appeared to be far better w/the kids, which is why I have cut him more slack than he deserves. Plus Kate's PR campaign isn't making it past my BS meter! On that note, now I really am off to watch the happy, positive show I posted about that has people I've actually been liking!! VERY refreshing change 
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 12:50 pm
I don't recall seeing anything that showed Kate was working on her many issues. Maybe I missed something. I do recall her saying the kids weren't in therapy, that they didn't need it at the time or something like that (which I found shocking). Kimmel had a funny clip of her last night, apparently from her morning show interview. She was looking into the camera with the most uncomfortable, gritting your teeth, biting your tongue, fakey looking smile ever. She looked like she was in pain. Lurk, what's GMTA? I'm drawing a blank. 
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 12:53 pm
ACK Brenda you keep pulling me back lol. Don't forget, BOTH she and Jon said that she refused therapy both for her and Jon, and for the family as a whole, while he begged for it. That alone spoke volumes to me. I don't think she wanted to risk a trained mental health professional possibly saying she was wrong about anything. To be fair that is just a guess, but bottom line is he wanted counseling for them all and she refused. Just wrong IMHO. Ok POOF! GMTA=Great Minds Think Alike ETA LOLOL that's how she ALWAYS looks to me 
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 2:38 pm
One can work on, and acknowledge that they have, issues, without being in therapy. When I see Kate, I see a woman struggling. Someone who doesn't fully understand all her issues, but who is clearly biting her tongue many many times about her failed marriage. That requires some self awareness, and compassion for her children. Qualities that Jon is lacking at the present.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 4:30 pm
It guess it's like the old 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' because I don't see Kate that way at all. I see her as someone who thinks everything is always someone else's issue (Jon) and that she is great just the way she is. I don't doubt she's struggling -- her vision of her life and future was/is in shambles. I'm sure seeing her ex-husband with younger women is a blow to the ego (hence all the fake tans and hair, etc). But I don't think she realizes it was her behavior that drove him away, not her frown lines or sagging whatever that we get as we age.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 5:32 pm
But I don't think she realizes it was her behavior that drove him away, not her frown lines or sagging whatever that we get as we age. Since Kate is supposed to have kicked HIM out, where would that assumption come from? All of the immature behaviors we have seen from Jon since the divorce are likely to have been the reason she no longer wanted him around. And perhaps this great Dad in front of the cameras was a total jackhole when the cameras weren't around. People seem to know how Kate behaves when the cameras are off, so it's only fair that I can feel that way about Jon.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 5:55 pm
I wish one of the nannies would write a tell all book! LOL! Cuz I thought he left when she decided he needed to sleep above the garage and keep the facade of a marriage going on for her and the TV show's benefit. I got the impression she never dreamed he have the b____ to leave. I think it's fair to assume people behave better in front of the cameras than they do when they are off. What that says about Kate's behavior I don't know. Can't really imagine she was more shrill, more demeaning to him, more controlling?
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 6:19 pm
LOL damn thread keeps drawing me back in. Brenda I recall hearing that too, plus allegedly she gave Jon permission to do what he wanted as long as he kept up said facade for TV. And eventually he said NO. Plus I recall hearing that they were fighting so much that TLC was having a hard time getting any usable footage. I tend to believe that because after that was said over and over, that was when filming shut down. While I'm not a fan of unofficial insider info, I do recall all the stuff that was being said ended up matching up with real life events, which makes it fairly believable. And I agree with you...I don't think Kate thought he would leave. I also think she didn't understand how far she had pushed him, and felt he would just eventually agree as he always had I still say there's plenty of blame and bad behavior on BOTH their parts. As for on camera and off, I do think we have seen fair representations of both Jon & Kate with the kids, as we've seen both have good and bad moments and parenting adventures. And LOLOL Brenda...I too have wondered what Kate was like behind closed doors given how she publicly treated him. I honestly think she doesn't get her role in this and just wants to paint herself as the long suffering victim. But enough....I really am trying to get away from this toxic couple!
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 6:48 pm
Kate has apologized several times for the way she treated Jon. I think she does recognize that she was in part complicit in their breakup. Now if Jon would only realize that....
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 7:33 pm
I've never once heard Kate apologize, and most especially not to Jon. The closest I heard was her saying to the media that "she knows she has a harsh tongue." That is damage control by her PR people, not an apology. If there is a link to a video of her apologizing to Jon please post it, I'd love to see it. The closest I ever heard was her saying some lame apology ONCE to ET or one of those shows, which was clearly nothing more than trying to manipulate the media and us via them. It's part of why I so strongly felt they both needed to stop talking to reporters as a way of communication, cause I certainly am not foolish enough to buy into that. And I don't think most folks need my PR degree to laugh at pure media spin. I also am not sure that I feel Jon was to blame for their breakup. I put that all on Kate. Just as I feel Jon has been totally out of control since the breakup. But they both said that Jon did want to try couples counseling, either to save/fix their marriage or to improve the situation for the kids, and Kate would have none of it. Sorry, I can't see how that is the actions of anyone who legitimately wants help to improve the situation. LOL I think I need to stop reading this thread, cause I can't stop responding when I see stuff that raises my blood pressure 
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 7:41 pm
<<LOL well truth be told I take what BOTH of them say with a large grain of salt...like a shaker full. Beyond that, I figure I'm not there, I don't know how it's being handled with the kids. So I personally don't feel it's right to pass judgment. On the surface I wouldn't know how to begin to judge one parent who is having a 2nd childhood, and another one who mistakes hired staff for family and friends, and seems to want to be sure everyone including her kids see her as a victim.>> <<I also am not sure that I feel Jon was to blame for their breakup. I put that all on Kate.>> I guess I'm too stupid to understand what "passing judgement" means, since the second post certainly appears to be doing just that. <77>
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 7:50 pm
Doesn't matter at this point if she apologized to Jon or not. The here and now is that she is putting her kids out front and center and keeping things like tabloid stories on them and this thread alive and kicking! And she is also under the delusion that putting the kids on the show and taking them on televised trips and having them bond with the cameramen is all very very good for the kids.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 10:26 pm
Jon only apologizes when he realizes he screwed up money wise.. so he apologized to TLC and "offered" to let them employ him again. He brought flowers to their negotiation as if that would somehow I guess make Kate let his attorneys roll over her.. of course those are the same attorneys he later trashed and distanced himself from and I think failed to pay.. But really, they are divorced. Hopefully they have stopped rehashing why and left it to people with time to post and blog. ==== Nice pics of the kids in the latest People.. haven't read the article yet.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 12:21 am
Kate seems to have a personality problem. There are those who just don't like her direct approach to what she wants and think she has a hidden agenda of fame and fortune because she just plows ahead and insists on what she wants. Jon has a pleasant personality but no character whatsoever. He is nice to people and charms them to the point that he attracts women when he really doen't seem that attractive. He works that personality to his advantage no matter the consequences and no matter who is hurt in the process. People have worried about the kids. I think the best thing that ever happened to those kids is the television show and the divorce. First, the show made sure there is full disclosure. We can see when those kids are not treated the way we would like them to be treated. From Kate not giving Maddie the water to Jon pitching a fit because the twins were complaining. The show also opened doors to experiences that they never would have had without it. The divorce will turn out to be a good thing in the long run because they will now get the discipline they need from their mother without their father undermining her and they will get the nurturing from their father without their mother complaining. The chances are very real that with eight children one or two of them will have some sort of behavioral problems as they hit their teen years, but overall these are lucky kids to have the life that they have had up until now and will continue to have in the future. Often children in large families more or less have to raise themselves because the parents are so overwhelmed by just keeping a roof over their heads and food on the table. Love can only go so far and the decision both parents made to do the show to support the kids was a good one.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 7:04 am
I have yet to understand why it's so horrible for Kate to have her kids on tv, but it's ok for the Duggars, the Hayes, the 9 by design parents, the Roloffs...... and it can't just because she has commented/complained that the paparazzi is intrusive, because i have heard so many in the public eye say the same. if it is the case, then we shouldn't have actors, athletes, newscasters with children either. Can only parents who we like and parenting we approve of have reality shows? mama, i like your post!
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 7:57 am
I like Mama's and Texannie's post.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 7:57 am
The reason the Gosselin kids on TV bugs me more than Roloffs (or Duggars or ??), is the total media attention that the Gosselins get vs that of the Roloffs COMBINED with Kate's reasoning that her kids being on TV is so good for them.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 8:00 am
I think that is a solid analysis, Mamabatsy.
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 8:07 am
I think the Gosselin's get so much more media attention because so many more people care what they do or what they don't do. It seems even if people dislike K & J they still know what is going on in their lives, so they must be watching and reading about them thus more media attention. JMO.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 8:08 am
Maybe the Duggars don't get the press so much because so many people disagree with having a hundred children. And nobody can tell me that they are doing it for free either. The Duggars are taking the money and free roadtrips just the same as Kate Gosselin does. They've been on TV either in specials or their series, for years. The Roloffs are also making hay while the sun shines. Just watching the show, it's easy to see how they have parlayed their TV "fame" into many other money-making ventures. I don't think Kate has ever said that being on TV is "so good for them." I believe she has said it is "normal for them" which is undeniable, since they've been on TV since they were babies.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 8:11 am
Mama and Texannie, I am solidly in your corner!
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 9:21 am
<she has commented/complained that the paparazzi is intrusive, because i have heard so many in the public eye say the same. if it is the case, then we shouldn't have actors, athletes, newscasters with children either.> I must be missing your point because I totally fail to see why, because actors, athletes, and newscasters have children that should stop them from being on TV to do their jobs. Color me confused 
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 10:39 am
If there is a link to a video of her apologizing to Jon please post it, I'd love to see it. The closest I ever heard was her saying some lame apology ONCE to ET or one of those shows, which was clearly nothing more than trying to manipulate the media and us via them 1 - it was months ago, and I don't have the time to go seek it out to post it here. it happened, like it or not, I"m not making it up. 2 - Even if I did find it and post it, I'm guessing the next lament would be that it's not credible coming from Kate, anyway. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing for Kate. She either is clueless and doesn't apologize; or she apologizes and people don't believe her. Personally, I favor the person who is employed and trying to provide for her children; who has maintained a steady course for custody throughout the divorce; and who has eschewed becoming involved and instead is focused on caring for her children.... over the unemployed serial lothario who files false reports with the police, who is whimsical about custody based mostly on what might financially benefit him at the moment; and who has alienated everyone who has tried to help him since the split. Blech.
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