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Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Let's analyze Kate going back to nursing as her career. If I remember correctly, she was a NICU nurse. Now of course, she'd have to work nights so that she would be there during the day for the kids, right? Since she doesn't have any seniority she'd probably have to pull weekend nights too. And besides, she'd get slightly higher pay for night shift. Now most hospitals nurses work 12 hour shifts, so she'd probably work 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. 3-4 times per week. Figuring the night shift differential, she'd probably make about $50,000-60,000 per year. Of course, she'd have to pay someone to stay at the house at night, and the way that Jon is going, that child support should be running out pretty soon.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
I had babysitters most of my childhood because both my parents worked to give us a better life and I never felt deprived. I was a single mother and had to work 2 and 3 jobs to support my daughter and I so she went to daycare a lot and she loved it. She got to play with other kids there so she had lots of fun and she grew up to be a wonderful mother who has to work so her daughter goes to daycare and is very happy.

What's so different from all of those actresses who have kids and also have nannies and cooks and housekeepers? Why is Kate villified for it? And its not just actresses. There are lots of non-entertainment people who have kids and cooks and housekeepers? What is so wrong with that?

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 2:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I've never heard Kate call herself a poor single mom or even insinuate that. I've heard her say as a single mom she wants to make sure she can provide her children the best life possible on her own, as she obviously is having to do.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 2:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure Kate can be branded a liar for not saying to Joy that Jon is paying child support.

Money he took from their account is held in escrow so he cannot tap the account (and more important, so his NY attorney and many others who claim Jon owes them big money cannot access that money) and that money, which Kate may very well not consider to be Jon's current income, or even Jon's to spend (whether she's right or wrong there.. I can see how I'd feel like the money came from joint money they had before the split) and that is the money paying the child support for Jon.

Even Jon's attorney indicated that of course that money set aside for his payments was not being replenished and if Jon has income of some sort, we aren't being privy to that info, so I can see where that question would not be cheerily answered that yep, he's stepping up, earning and contributing, because it sure doesn't look like that is going to happen anytime soon.. Jon's idea of income is to grab the kids so he can be paid child support and maybe get spousal support as well.

So label her a liar, but maybe she simply didn't want to get into the escrow account and where that money came from, to pay child support. She may well consider that he's just gradually putting back what he took.

I think "real mothers" come in all flavors and for the most part it works. And tons of good mothers work outside the home, even travel.

Let's see, why would she pay nannies when her husband was free.. well he was often free out of state, skiing, playing around with his latest girlfriend, getting to go to film festivals, and earlier hanging in the Hamptons, or France, or New York.. he was free but not all that available. I know.. Kate created a force field that prevented him from entering Pennsylvania.. just like TLC has somehow prevented him from taking ANY job at all.

Actually DWTS recruited Kate for the show. They have stated in several articles that she, Buzz and a third person were their most wanted "stars". Most of the stars aren't poor at all but who would turn down the money and if she actually did want to be on the show, so much the better.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 2:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, the kids are in school.

LOL - Yes I know what six year old's do. How does that change my comment about spending time with them when they are at home? Raising six six year old's must take an extraordinary amount of energy. I was trying to explain why comparing her situation to someone with a regular family doesn't work.

Anyway, IMO, the fact that Kate wanted to do DWTS doesn't remotely make her a bad mother.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 2:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Sorry, thought you were saying something else Jimmer.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Being in DWTS or on TV at all for that matter isn't what makes me see her as a not-good mother. It's her controlling behavior, her lack of real warmth and involvement in her children that I saw on the TV show that made me feel that. I wouldn't call her a bad mother. I'd just call her someone who's mothering style I don't admire and wouldn't want to model. And I won't even comment on her style as a wife. LOL.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 4:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I saw the announcement about Kate's new show posted, but I didn't see this posted yet.

Kate Gosselin: My Kids Are ‘Excited’ to Be on TV Again

As for her own kids, Gosselin said she’s “thrilled” to announce they’ll be returning to TV. For some specials this year, she said they’ll be “taking some fun trips and having some great adventures. They’re very excited.”


http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2010/realitytv/...

Nagster71
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04-06-2010

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 6:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nagster71 a private message Print Post    
If I never ever again heard the name Kate Gosselin or Jon Gosselin I would be extremely happy. Can't help but be reminded of the Bible where it says, "Judge not lest ye be judged."

Yesitsme
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08-24-2004

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 6:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yesitsme a private message Print Post    
I don't have children, but have spent more time with kids than most parents...including being a housemother for up to 10 troubled teenagers. My sister has a day care center and I have gone and worked for days when she was in a bind. I'm really am not an avid Kate fan, but I do find I have sympathy for her. Even dancing all day would be less tiring than chasing those kids around. And the criticism about her parenting... there were times that if I had been caught on camera when I worked with teenagers that people would have thought that I was a crazy person (I found crazy was an especially effective tactic in dealing with those kids.)

I know lots and lots of people who given the opportunities that Kate has been given would jump at them. I am not big on limelight, and am a klutz, but to be given the chance to have a famous dance teacher teach me to dance...there is a side of me that would love to live that fantasy (and another side that would be way too scared.) To me her life seems very exciting and her "jobs" way more interesting than mine (and I like mine fine.) Her kids get awesome opportunities because she allows them to be public, too. There's no way that quints were going to go through life without being public people on some level, why not give them an awesome standard of living instead of scrimping to pay the bills? Not necessarily the choice I would make in the same situation, but I understand why they made it.

Yeah, maybe she isn't always in control of her emotions. Maybe she doesn't always love the responsibility of being a parent. Maybe she does feel the need for the limelight. But I remember catching the first special where they talked about the pregnancy. She was compelling. I was flipping channels, and had to stop and listen. She was articulate and I was interested at how organized she was parenting all those kids. I happen to like reality shows, but acknowledge that a lot of people in them don't bring a lot to the table. Sometimes that is what is fascinating. I wasn't a regular watcher of the show (never really knew when it was on and just caught it if I was flipping channels), but I thought she carried it.

And as for her kids excited to be back on tv again....it seemed that they had fun. Plus they have done it most of their lives. Doesn't surprise me.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 6:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Well Yesitsme, it wasn't so much the fact the kids are excited to be back on tv for the reason I posted, it's the fact that they are going to be on tv again. I really thought it was over when it came to the kids doing a tv show again.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 7:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Re Kate not admitting she likes being on tv/wants a show or whatever it is...she did say she found that she likes it and wants a career in tv...or something to that effect. I saw her say it in an interview...maybe even on J&K+8.

Re Kate saying several/many times that she is a single mom and has to provide for her kids, that is true. Jon hasn't shown us much that he is doing anything to provide financially for them and actually went about spending a lot of money on himself and his trips after he and Kate separated. Based on Jon's past behavior, Kate needs to plan carefully financially because she does have 9 mouths to feed for a lot more years. Right now, she cannot rely on Jon to contribute financially and cannot trust that he will in the future no matter what a court order says. Just because she may have plenty of $ in the bank now doesn't mean she always will.

It really surprised me that she gets flack for all the things she gets flack for.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
She gets flack for exactly the reason she herself stated above. "My kids are excited to be going on FREE trips again."

That's what this is all about. Kate can't seem to entertain her children on her own, so she needs TLC's (or the offerings they collected from their church before they quit going) money to pay for said trips and put them up in beautiful hotels for free, as well as pay for Kate's bodyguard and chef. Doesn't it bother anyone that Kate has a sense of entitlement beyond belief and is teaching her children to expect the same entitlements?

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 11:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
The Gosselin children have had opportunities that anyone would want for their children. They have had doors open for them that we all wish our kids could have. They have gone places and done things that are usually reserved for the children of those who are super rich or super famous. If Kate found a way for her children to have those opportunities and experiences then more power to her. She should be admired for wanting nothing but the best for her children and herself. She has done nothing illegal or immoral to provide for herself and her children. It doesn't seem to have harmed the children at all because it was always a part of their lives.

It would have been a waste of time and effort for them to try to keep them out of the limelight because most large multiples end up in the public eye in one way or another. Several other families have had to do the publicity/specials/book route just to survive. If Kate is able to give her kids more than just survival, good for her.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 12:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
"Doesn't it bother anyone that Kate has a sense of entitlement beyond belief and is teaching her children to expect the same entitlements?"

I don't think that Kate is teaching her children "entitlement". I don't think that Jon has taught their children "entitlement". I think that these children know that they are in an unusual situation. Any child who is a sextuplet knows that they are unusual.

I do believe it is very easy for us to look upon them and say that this is not how we would raise our children. But let's be honest, none of us has any idea of what it would be like to raise sextuplets.

Just putting myself in the parent's situation, I think that I would do anything to make my children feel that they are special. The idea that there are people out there who actually believe that my children should be taken away from me based on a "reality TV show" would totally freak me out.

Put a camera on any "normal" family and I would imagine that we would see similar dynamics going on.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 6:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Last I checked, TLC, her publisher and DWTS weren't just paying Kate to breathe. She is actually producing books (that people are buying), bringing ratings (from people watching) and at least attempting to dance.
And last I checked, Kate has not stolen any money.
I don't understand why anyone would begrudge someone for having such wonderful opportunities. I can only imagine it's jealousy.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Here, here, Texannie!

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Jealousy or sour grapes.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I don't think "free" equates to "bad".. whether the trip comes as part of a reality show (any of Kate's, Roloffs, Duggars, etc., or from winnings on a show, or from the parent accumulating lots of miles in an airline or credit card program and taking their children to great places, or upgrading, or kids who get to go to places most couldn't afford because they are on a reality show.. like Jon getting to take kids to see games in a skybox, Roloff kids getting special treatment at hockey games, getting to meet with key people to talk about careers.. doors opened because their father is connected, be it through being president of little people of America or through a reality show, or kids who get make a wish trips (though of course the reason for the trip is so much sadder).. they often really enjoy those trips or really learn from them.

I don't see it hurting them.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 2:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't see anyone begrudging her opportunities and I don't see jealousy or sour grapes. For example, while I hope that Kate is finding some happiness, I certainly wouldn't want to trade places with her. She has a whole bunch of stuff that she has to work out in her life.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 4:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Maybe begrudging isn't the right word, Jimmer, but I sure see people complaining about her having them. I don't see too many posts about other reality show families complaining about those families' trips, freebies ect. For some reason there is a completely different set of rules when it comes to Kate.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 4:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
That puzzles me too, Texannie.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 5:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
I think begrudging and/or sour grapes is the perfect description of it. Kate's kids have things that "my" kids don't. Kate gets perks that "I" don't get, therefore there must be something terribly wrong about her having and getting them.

I'd like to meet anyone, especially a mother, who doesn't have something she might have changed in hindsight. Not one of us is a perfect mother. Perhaps if Kate watched us on television she'd find lots of faults with us too. No two people do things the same way. Kate is doing the best she can under the circumstances she found herself in. She wanted one more child. Many women do. Her one more turned out to be six more. Where others (me) might have had a nervous breakdown, she just went forward and found the best way she could provided for her family. Jon was never a go getter so in addition to caring for all those kids, she figured out a way to support them and enrich their lives with as little time away from them as possible. And that's what she is still doing. I admire her. If life gave me what it gave her I'd be in a loony bin, not on television klutzily trying to dance

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 5:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I'd rather have Kate than Octomom in my state. I dont think taxpayers are footing the bills for Kate's kids

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 7:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Agreed that it's wonderful that the tax payers at not paying for Kate and Jon's kids.

I don't think it's sour grapes or jealousy either, or else why wouldn't we be moaning about all the free stuff the Roloffs get or complaining about how Brad and Angie take all these great trips with their kids. When I see the Roloff's accept things, it's done with a sense of gratitude. You always see and hear and feel how lucky they feel they are. You can see that they appreciate things, don't take them for granted. With Kate I don't sense that. Same for Jon. It's more of a "what can you do for me", "gee, aren't you lucky I'm here so you can cater to me". That sense of entitlement that has been mentioned countless times. And it's not just Kate. I think Jon suffers it too.