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Holly
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07-22-2001

Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
<Mady still annoys the heck out of me. I find that girl impatient, mouthy, disrespectful, whiny, and not humble in any way. I don't know why she has such an abrasive personality>

Genetics? Like mother, like daughter?

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I'd say genetics and modeling witnessed behavior.

I think it was very accomodating of Discovery Cove to let Kate and the sick child come back the next day. That show was great PR for them, so of course they'd let them come back and film. I wonder what their sick policy is for the average Joe. Really made me want to do it! I priced and the off season is $200 a person. Maybe in 2011.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 8:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I admired the way Kate made Maddie(?) walk away from the project they were working on after she called one of the little kids stupid(?).

Naja
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06-28-2003

Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I enjoyed the shows, but one thing really bugs me. I know they were at place where everyone is in swim suits, but even in my real life it bothers me when people go into an eating area/building and don't throw on at least a little pair of shorts to cover their mini skimpy revealing bikini bottoms.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
If it was genetics/modeling then wouldn't more of the children have abrasive personalities?
Some people are just obnoxious.
OG, I liked that too. I wish I had been more strict with the name calling between my kids when they were younger.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 2:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Re the gfs/bfs of parents and the comparison to teachers ? - Another thing about that is that when parents break up with their ex bfs/gfs, there is usually no contact again between the ex and the kids of the parents. Kids often see their old teachers for several more years passing them in the hallways at school etc. They can visit their old teachers in the classrooms. Also, teachers have the purpose of being teachers. They aren't involved with the kids after school hours.

Re: Nannies, they can keep in touch via mail etc. They can even visit, although I realize that it is different for everyone and not all families will make the choice to keep in touch.

Outside of the classroom, kids depend on their parents for get togethers with other family members, friends etc. There is no incentive and it is probably very rare that a parent would allow an ex bf/gf to get together with the children.

I believe that it is beneficial for children to be protected from such a break up (between the children and their parent's gf/bf). They should be prevented from having to go through it needlessly. That is why professionals agree that children should not be involved with the romantic interest of a parent unless it is a long lasting committed relationship. (and even older children shouldn't...they do not need to have to deal with the sexual relationships of their parents)

Unless they are strictly home schooled (and many who are home schooled do have teachers other than their parents), kids NEED to have teachers. It is unavoidable and beneficial to the kids. Kids do not have any NEED to have a relationship with the bf/gf of a parent. There is generally no benefit to the child there.

It is different than a platonic friend of the parent. Friends do not progress to a marriage or to a live together romantically/sexually relationship or to a break up (usually).

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I do not agree with those who post that Jon was clearly the better parent/ a great hands on dad etc. From the beginning of the show, I never thought he was a better parent than Kate. I thought he was ok usually and in their situation, I think ok was as good as it was going to get on either of their parts most of the time. I think they each had good moments and bad moments. From the beginning, I think Kate was more loving and attentive to the kids.

Interesting how we see the same show and form opposite opinions.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
In the very early shows, Jon was the one doing all of the baths. Kate often cooked (and with that many kids, cooking by yourself is for sure easier, if not a downright "break") while Jon was with the kids. I always liked the way Kate wanted the kids to have some good memories while I liked the way Jon interacted with the kids.

Did anyone see Kate's newest book? I just don't "get it." Write stuff like that for your kids and just let them (the kids) read it. Not the whole world!! Seems like those kind of letters are personal and should be way more private. Makes me feel very uncomfortable that she is earning money off of stuff like that. Really cheapens the feelings if ya ask me.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 4:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Happy, I never felt Jon was the better parent. about that. There was a time there when Jon wasn't working...okay most of the time LOL....and Kate didn't have all the hired help she has now. I have a 19 yr old in the house and find it impossible to keep the place clean...I can't IMAGINE 8 kids....especially that age where you actually CARE what germs they might pick up LOL. I'd be a shrew too if all the cooking and cleaning was left to me for that many folks while my husband did...?? what?? Yes, we saw him give them baths, and brush their hair and dress them sometimes...big deal. Who was taking care of them when they were puking and pooping?? Who potty trained them? Who makes sure they have well rounded meals? Jon always came across as one of those parents what wanted to do the fun stuff but only begrudgingly did any of the stuff that wasn't.

Reading back, I saw some posting about how they split up. We don't KNOW what actually happened because neither has said. All we know is from Kevin his wife.

One last thing....I've read over and over that she refused counceling...but those have been conflicting stories too so who knows. I will say as someone recently divorced sometimes you are DONE. It won't help...you want out!!You've had enough and you are DONE! I suspect if she did refuse, she was at that point.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 10:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Julie, do you fault other parents who have written letters to their children and published them. I know I was trashed for daring to mention other parents who are more revered but still they wrote to their children and published and people wanted to buy what they published. And I assume some people wanted to buy what Kate published.

I'm not sure why a public declaration of love or admiration or whatever is so offensive.

Dean Koontz wrote a whole book that was almost a love letter to his late golden retriever, Trixie, and it made me think the world of Dean Koontz that he could so openly declare his love and feelings in that way.

But the solution is simple. Don't buy or read any book you don't want to buy and or read.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 5:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
Since its April 13 release, I Just Want You to Know: Letters to My Kids on Love, Faith, and Family has sold just 10,084 copies, according to national book sales tracker Bookscan. It bombed. Regardless of why the marriage broke up I think people are starting to see this family as more of a money making TLC shill than the once interesting nuclear family that people cared for and rooted for. Now it's hard to trust the authenticity of her words in books. I had no interest in watching the new show and wouldn't buy any book she's ever write again. I just don't trust her and feel she'd write anything TLC or her handlers would tell her. I'm skeptical that she even wrote the words herself. I just get a big phony feeling from her.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 7:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I think people are starting to see this family as more of a money making TLC shill

MGM, perhaps you meant 'some' people. I am a people and I do not think that.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I think it's the majority of people, not just some, if her book only sold 10,084 copies. That's pathetically low.

Kathyb
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05-17-2006

Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 8:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kathyb a private message Print Post    
And yet Kate drew big ratings for Dancing With the Stars, and her shows this week on TLC had more viewers than ever. Go figure.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37345749/ns/today-entertainment/

"“Kate was without doubt the main attraction to the show this year,” a producer told PopEater. “She is ratings gold and can demand much more money than soap hunk Aiden Turner. Who? Precisely.”

Kathyb
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05-17-2006

Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 8:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kathyb a private message Print Post    
Love her or hate her, apparently lots of folks still want to watch her on tv.

http://articles.mcall.com/2010-06-08/news/mc-ent-link-tv-kate-plus-eight-ratings_1_kate-gosselin-ratings-tv-watchers

TV WATCHERS: Kate Gosselin reigns as ratings queen with 'Kate Plus 8'

June 08, 2010|By Kathy Lauer-Williams | Of The Morning Call

Our favorite mother of eight is still the ratings queen. Kate Gosselin's new show "Kate Plus 8" drew an estimated 3.4 million people for the first episode "6th Birthday Surprise," Sunday. That's more than the final episode of "Jon & Kate Plus 8" drew.

It seems the Berks County mom is ratings gold no matter what she does. She drew record viewers to "Dancing With the Stars" despite her questionable dancing skills and viewership dropped after she was voted off. Not to mention she is still one of the top searches two days after "Kate Plus 8" aired.

Following the birthday episode Discovery Cove edition, TLC aired "Kate Plus 8: Inside Kate's World," in which Gosselin talked about her life as a celebrity and paparazzi craze. That show averaged 3 million viewers.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 9:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
That article is a lie. The ratings stayed high and did NOT drop and her highness who couldn't dance left.

I'm sure many just watched the first show to see how Kate acted. Many articles said they tuned out int he "Kate" hour. I sincerely doubt the ratings will stay very high.

I guess TLC is very, very, easy to please. Three.four million doesn't seem like much compared to other shows. That could explain why Kate acts like a Diva, when in the real world, (not TLC's world) so many people just can't like her. I felt she was really surprised on her stint at DWTS that she wasn't universally loved, but rather, not liked much at all.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I watched it on Sunday. Looks like the kids had a great time. I thought Kate did great.

Those kids just keep getting cuter and cuter!

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 11:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Cricket, the word lie is rather harsh IMHO. Do you have numbers to back up that statement, or is it your opinion?

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 10:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Late last night I saw some of the part of the recent show where they show just Kate. Kate is not my favorite person, I like her and think she is a good mom and always has been, but she isn't a person I'd likely be friends with...but last night I just wanted to reach into the tv and give her a hug.

I have a lot of respect for Kate. I think she handled having all those kids amazingly well. Better than many would. Same for her recent circumstances with Jon seeing other women and the whole divorce thing. I think she handled it better than many others would. I give her a lot of credit.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 10:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
The loss of Kate Gosselin may have taken its toll on the "Dancing with the Stars" ratings this week.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, ABC's reality dancing show drew 10.2 million viewers for a 4.3 rating. This is an 11 percent drop from the previous week to its lowest-rated performance of the season.

Season 10 kicked off with its highest premiere numbers ever, according to preliminary overnight ratings that had it attracting a blockbuster 23.9 million viewers. Experts say viewership tends to erode as the season continues.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/27/entertainment/main6437342.shtml

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
and a week later, they dropped even more...

Dancing With The Stars Ratings Plummet, Kate Gosselin Impact

Huffington Post is reporting that the ABC TV show Dancing With The Stars continues to struggle with their ratings in the post-Kate era.

Dancing With The Stars has logged its lowest rating performance of the entire season.

ABC’s “Dancing With the Stars” dropped another 9 percent to a 4.0/11 in 18-49s, its lowest total of the season. Since Kate Gosselin exited two weeks ago, the show is down a full 17 percent. Still, averaging 19.4 million viewers, “Dancing” led ABC to a win in total audience for the night.

So what does this mean for Dancing With The Stars, and what does this say about TV viewers?

It seems like TV viewers are more inclined to watch people who are not celebrities – although Kate Gosselin could possibly now be considered a celebrity.

<snip>

Kate Gosselin got eliminated from Dancing With The Stars back on April 20th, and ever since that day, the ABC TV show has continued a downward spiral that ultimately resulted in the lowest ratings of the season last night.


http://socialmediaseo.net/2010/05/05/dancing-with-the-stars-ratings/

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
good job Kar!

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Friday, June 11, 2010 - 3:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
I think Kate had a very large following on Dancing with the Stars. She couldn't have survived as long as she did on her dancing alone and I say that as a fan of hers, too.

But, I think the rating drop also had something to do with the pick to win being a professional dancer already. The fans of the show seem to be split between people that just want to watch people dance well and people that wanted to watch non-professional dancers learn to dance well.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Friday, June 11, 2010 - 6:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Azriel, I fall into the last catagory.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, June 11, 2010 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Kate was also still working as a nurse at the beginning of the show, so it made more sense that Jon did more of the bathing and such.

Like OG, I'm people too. I didn't buy the book because there are only so many books one can buy and while I buy more than my share, theirs are among the many memoir type books I never bought, but that doesn't mean I was thinking negative things about the writers. I haven't bought books by the Roloffs and I like them too and I could list scores and scores of books written by people for whom I hold no ill feelings at all, that I haven't purchased.

For one thing I'd think that people would buy one book from a person, maybe two, but then settle down and not buy every single book.

The MAJORITY of people in what group.. certainly in the world the majority have no idea the books even exist, and even in the US.. heck the majority of people read something like one book a year. The majority of people who read books? The majority of people who bought the first books? That one I'd accept. But that doesn't mean that all people not buying her books have animosity toward Kate.

Cricket, you cannot compare ratings for a network prime time show to a show that airs over and over on TLC, Discovery and so on. 3 million is very good ratings for that genre.
But certainly it seems that the book bombed compared to her others. Heck I didn't watch or record the FIRST showing of the show, even the second, because I had other things to record that didn't repeat, but I did record and I did watch.

Azriel, how could the ratings drop after Kate left reflect the results known only by the last show of the season?

And that certainly wasn't my reaction. By the end I was voting FOR Nicole because I really didn't want Erin to win and didn't think Evan should beat Nicole.

Erin.. I wanted to like her but never was able to warm up to her and I've had a wide range of people tell me the felt the same way.

I was really pissed when they imposed Erin onto the final of the Scripps 2010 Spelling Bee! She was interviewing kids who had just been eliminated and was so talking down to them and so off topic and inappropriate.

She said to one little girl, fresh from having her dream crushed for this year, that she'd be okay and to "come back next year with those cute braces and smile". Yeah that is what a kid wants to hear after devoting massive time to study of language and words.. that their worth is in a cute smile with braces, which I'm betting said little girl hopes are off by next year.

And with another one, she kept calling her (and this one wasn't that young) "sweetheart".

She was just jarring on the program and I hated that they felt they had to give her face time or cross promote.

They also had Chris Harrison as the .. well not sure.. host? But at least he had the good sense to mostly throw it to the usual hosts who actually are ex spelling bee winners and only slipped in one plug for bachelorette. But he also didn't belong on that show, IMO.

I certainly didn't follow Kate to DWTS since I always watched that show and will continue to watch. I didn't like it initially.. skipped season two.. partly because I didn't care for some of the initial professional dancers. I think over time the pros have learned to lighten up and realized that this show wasn't all about them being perfect dancers, though they have to be good.

This year I was happy without Karina eye rolling and Lacey mugging for the camera.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, June 11, 2010 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Wasn't thrilled with what they did to the spelling bee either


I have a question and it's sort of on topic. Do they take ratings for the re-showing of these shows on TLC, Bravo, USA ect? The major networks might have an episode repeat once, but the 'minor' networks will show the same episode 4 or 5 times (at least). Many times I don't watch the first viewing because I know I will be able to catch the episode at another time.