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Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 3:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I think I read somewhere that Kate was upfronted a sweet mil for the book. If that's so, do the sales numbers even matter? I have no idea how that works. If she gets the mil even with bad sales, yeehaw, go Kate!

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 3:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
OG, excellent post! For those that say the same can be true about Jon...I wouldn't agree with that. Jon moved several hours away from his kids when he purchased/leased the NYC apt. He was publicly seen romantically (using a nicer cleaner word here) with other women even before his separation from Kate. Actions speak louder than words. We saw none of those actions from Kate ever. Even after their separation, I feel it was detrimental to his kids for him to be involved with other women before he was even divorced from their mom. (or will be detrimental to the kids when they find out about it...if they don't already know) From Kate, we saw and continue to see her publicly saying everything she is doing is for the kids. That is a good thing! While it may irritate people that do not know her personally, well...that doesn't really matter. It is good for the kids to hear that their mom is working hard to provide for them and it is good for them to see that on the internet. (Now or someday...I would hope they would have no access to the internet at their young ages right now.)

I don't know about J&K setting aside $ for the kids, but Kate sure did. She said she made sure they each had "substantial" college funds.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 4:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Ah, Happymom, a breath of fresh air.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 4:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I am sure the sales matter to the publisher.

Lurk, my point wasn't that Kate was on the same level as the other two (I don't want to offend you again by mentioning them in the same sentence ) my point simply was some people might consider that his children's privacy was violated when his speech went viral and he continued to go on talk shows or when she spoke about being a prostitute to raise her daughter might cause embarrasment to her.
IMHO, it's truly a matter of perspective...the content is the same. You admire those other two so you aren't offended by their private lives becoming public (rather by accident or on purpose), but the info made public is personal and could be perceived as damaging to their children.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 6:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think mine was the offensive post, Annie.. and I never ever equated Kate to Randy or to Maya, just the actions, as Jimmer had questioned the need to address words to your children in a book published for the public to read.

Danielle Steel also shared ABOUT her son in great detail in the first of her books I had bought in decades.. I enjoyed her first books and she wrote engagingly enough, but then I realized.. wow this is like the same book over and over. When she wrote non-fiction I thought it would be a well written memoir but no.. it was terribly written and I wonder if her bipolar son would have wanted her to share so much about his life and suicide. But it may well have spoken to many people.

Randy Pausch probably didn't seek "fame" or publicity. He did a traditional (for the university where he taught) "last lecture" that was so much more poignant than others, due to his terminal condition and his facility with words.. it was on youtube, I think and then Oprah "discovered" it (or probably it was one of her people in production) and I certainly don't fault him for a minute for going on Oprah or later for sharing what he had written to and for his children.

Maya Angelou, on the other hand, while she ended up as a professor/poet/author of multiple memoirs and actress, then as mentor to Oprah, WAS seeking some measure of fame and exposure as far back as the sixties when we used to see her show on KQED (the PBS station in San Francisco) and of course she has shared quite intimately of her own experience in her books and then the letter to her daughter.

I was speaking of actions, public sharing and such and not equating any one of them personally to any of the others and not equating Kate to anyone but herself. But then I don't hold Kate in contempt.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 8:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Twinkie stated:
"I couldn't believe how many of them were admitting to being a thief!"

That's what you took from people being so disappointed in this book they returned it? Among those who returned the book. one person felt it wasn't appropriate to give to their parent and returned it. I've read reviews of many books and this is the first time people were so upset by what was in the book they actually returned it.

When a book is touted as one thing and turns out to be less than nothing and deragatory to the children in the book, it is so not stealing to return said book.

My question is, are the sales reduced by the returned books?

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 9:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
I don't get the Kate worship. She had 8 kids and has had alot of fame and profitted because of those 8 kids.

I don't know her to hate her. Not being a staunch fan of someone doesn't equate to hating them.

I don't know her. I find a woman who's gained fame due to having invitro and 8 kids a sad thing. She's messed up, her marriage crumbled, her husband can't get work and the kids are now a sideshow and mom's a reality star doing dance shows when she can't dance to make money to support them all. It's freaking sad. For all of them. I'm still not a fan, I think the whole scenario is creepy as heck.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 9:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
I don't think it's Kate worship on this board. People write something that they don't like about Kate, and then someone may write something defending Kate. I would like to think it's not "hate" when people write something negative, and I'd like to think it's not "worship" when people write something positive. It's just different people viewing the same situation and having different opinions.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 9:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
well put and my worship comment was out of line. I just wish the exchange of comments wasn't labeling me into hating. I choose a poor choice of words.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 9:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Returning a book you've already read is stealing, I don't care who you bought it for. You had to read to know you wanted to return it.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 9:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Shoot, if I had a dollar for everytime when I said something and it didn't come out quite the way I meant it....I'd be living in grand style! :-)

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 9:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
Is returnign a book really important in the grand scheme of things? So what if folks returned a book they didn't want to keep. If the bookstore's policy allowed it honestly it's no skin off your nose.

What about the kids? What about our society making folks who have 8 kids important for no other reason than they had invitro?

what about global warming? Poverty? I wish the support was there for those causes. It really irks me that someone can advance themselves by being an octomom when so many people do great things, unselfish things and none of this notriety touches them.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 9:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Shen, I don't think Twinkie was calling you a Kate hater.

I haven't read the Amazon reviews and probably never will, so, I don't know if there are Kate haters that posted the reviews. Maybe Twinkie read all the reviews and some were obviously from Kate haters.

There are Kate haters out there on the internet though. They actually type words that say they hate Kate.

I myself have used the term Kate haters about the actual Kate haters on the internet but never about any specific posters on this board or any other board or even about any posters in general on this board.

I don't worship Kate, but I do think she is a good mother, not perfect (no parent is perfect), and I agree with how she is providing for her kids. Comparing her actions that the public has knowledge of to Jon's actions that the public has knowledge of, I think she has shown to be the better parent by far after the separation and after the divorce. Based on what was shown during the J&K+8 show, I thought she was the better parent then too, but not by far (compared to Jon).

I am glad to have this civilized board to voice my opinions and to read the opinions of others. (Thanks mods!!! You rock!!!)

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 9:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
Fair enough Happymom but if the term "kate haters' is used on this board it makes us that aren't Kate fans go huh and it's not fair.

So be a fan of her, just understand that some us don't get it. Literally why she's a big deal for having 8 kids and becoming a reality star and making tons of money and why anyone would feel sorry for her.

I'd seriously love to see this huge support go toward something that is less celebrity driven and more earth conscious. It's insane to me. It's a reflection of our frivilous society. All good people I'm sure just complete madness to me because so many things are happening that will effect generations and our planet yet a woman has 8 kids, her husband cheats and she's a freakign rolemodel...uhm for what?

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 9:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Shen, I posted during your 9:40 post, so, I'm just seeing it now.

J&K did not plan on having sextuplets. They wanted one more baby. Based on their Christian beliefs, they did not want to reduce when Kate was preg. with the then 7 (1 was later reabsorbed). It isn't the same at all as Suleman (the octomom with 14 children) who was implanted with all 14 kids.

I don't think they are important because of the in vitro. TLC thought there may be an interest and did a special on the family. And boy were they right. They became popular because the viewers wanted to see them. I found Kate and all the kids to be very photogenic. I was interested in the day to day life of living with multiples.

I too am irked (and even more than irked actually) that more attention isn't paid to poverty and global warming and other such issues. I am glad though that these things are getting more attention than ever before.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 10:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
While they didn't plan the sextuplets they definitely profitted from it.

And continue to do so, at least Kate does. I don't hate her but I definitely don't feel any sympathy towards her. She's making alot of money simply because she birthed 8 kids. I'm not hating simply expressing that it's silliness. Feel sorry for the single mom that isn't on tv. There's millions of them.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 10:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Shen, good point about even using the term Kate haters. When I used it before, (days or wks. or mos. ago), I'm pretty sure I clarified it so that no one here would take offense...but I think it is best for me to just not use that term.

Also, just to clarify, I'm really not a fan of Kate's. I do support her, but I also don't put a lot of energy into it. (Even though it probably seems like it from my posts. :-) ) I totally understand how you feel, Shen.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 10:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
thanks and I appreciate that you get it.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 10:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I don't know why there are labels of hate or worship.. and not of a person.. I can like or dislike or just observe actions of people.

People have opinions about all sorts of things: returning books, the freedom of people to make money how they may choose, have children, etc.

I'm pretty sure Kate didn't have in vitro but used a method where it was actually surprising that she had seven embryos implant at first (unlike a certain west coast mom who did have that many actual embryos implanted) and yes that makes a difference, between going for a third child or adding 8 to an already large family.

I don't think they were made important because they had 6 kids at once but they had a special about the challenge of raising that bunch of kids with the twins and apparently the ratings were pleasing to TLC so they offered a contract for more shows. Right now the kids aren't appearing on the show, so there isn't too much to say about them at present.. they HAVE been discussed at great length over the life of this thread, for sure.

This particular thread isn't about global warming, poverty, etc.. but about the former show of Jon and Kate and potentially for Kate's new show/shows.. also a place away from DWTS thread to talk at length about one particular person on that show.

I guess we'd each have opinions about returning a book AFTER we read it. It wouldn't occur to me. The only book I ever returned, unread, was A Million Little Pieces when it came out that the "memoir" was largely fiction. But I know people who routinely buy clothing, wear them for an event and take them back or try to return items they have been given to stores that don't even carry them. I don't respect those actions but they don't change my world on a micro level, they are just symptoms of unfortunate trends on a macro level.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 10:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
With all respect to this thread I was speaking of the enormous attention drawn toward a woman with 8 kids that did not have them naturally but had them with the aid of her doctor and medications that resulted in the multiple births.

That said my comparison of the attention held by that mom and those kids is sad to me when there are greater causes particularily global warming and poverty and I wish very much that those serious causes could gain this phenomal support that a woman with 8 kids has, namely Kate who is the ::points up:: source of this thread.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 10:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
I think they were specifically given a show because of the sextuplets. So we disagree.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
People are interested in many things that some other people might consider frivolous. It is an endless list of items. Interest in J & K + 8 is no different than any of the items on that endless list.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 8:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Shenanagon, you make too much sense for this thread.

Rissa
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03-19-2006

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 8:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Keep in mind that this board uses written communication and lacks vocal or visuals cues. You put one post in a thread on the iraq war and one post here and that appears as equal effort and involvement when in reality the war could be tearing you apart emotionally and this thread is nothing but a fun diversion. I can tell you quite honestly that I have not mentioned the names Kate/Jon Gosselin in any conversation in my *real life* for at least half a year and probably longer.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
According to this link Kate did not have IVF treatment; just drugs to stimulate the ovaries to produce eggs.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_eggs_did_Kate_Gosselin_transfer_in_her_IVF_treatment