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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 12:56 am
There are many people in America today who have numerous children without the benefit of marriage or a constant father/male presence in the childrens life. It's not unusual to hear them say they have 5 to 10 children, many by different fathers. Most are on the government dole, (we pay), and I'm sure they aren't trying to be conscientious as far as the earth is concerned. I have no problem with the Duggers having so many children. The kids all seem well adjusted, respectful, and exhibit a good work ethic. Before I watched this show, I would have automatically objected to anyone having so many children, but watching how this family interacts has changed my original opinion.
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Kittyab
Member
07-15-2005
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 7:30 am
I think Gosselins were about 2 lbs each at birth.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 7:40 am
Kitty, yesterday on the '8' thread I posted a link to when they were born and with all their weights.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 7:43 am
And Kate delivered at just shy of 30 weeks. The difference between 25 and 30 weeks is huge, it's more important than the birth weight. Many more children with a birth weight like Josie Duggar (and born at 25 weeks gestation) survive than ever before - up to 80% according to some statistics. But the odds of surviving without what are known as "extreme" disabilities is going to truly be a miracle. Sure, a few make it out relatively unscathed, but not many.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 7:47 am
I just looked at your post in 8, OP. Even the smallest Gosselin sextuplet was almost twice the weight of this new Duggar baby.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 10:22 am
The lungs are the most important.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 10:46 am
I'm still praying when Josie makes it home from the hospital she is as healthy as if she was a full term baby.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 11:09 am
Any updates on Josy's condition/progress?
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 11:27 am
link This is the most recent thing I can find. It is from 12 hrs. ago. No news about the baby...so...for me, that is good news. I am so afraid for this baby and family. I did read that 82% of babies born this early survive. Those are good and hopeful odds.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 11:34 am
The NICU that baby Josy is in is a very special place with very special and concerned doctors and nurses. I know she is getting the very best care!
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 11:37 am
link This doesn't say anything new or different than the post above. This one is TLC's page and says to check back there for updates. Sorry if the links navigate you away from tvch. (The link in my previous post does.) I don't know how to do it any differently. <Fixed link. Using the newurl tag instead of the link tag forces links to open a new window. >
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 12:39 pm
http://www.4029tv.com/news/21946076/detail.html Another article. This one has interesting information about very low weight babies.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 1:32 pm
This is worrisome... Praying for the baby and the family.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 2:32 pm
From first link: statement from the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences: “During Mrs. Duggar’s admission to University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences to evaluate pain related to gall bladder disease, her workup revealed signs and symptoms consistent with a condition known as preeclampsia. Preeclampsia is a pregnancy-related disease that affects 5 to 8% of all pregnancies and is characterized by high blood pressure and the presence of protein in the urine. Thursday evening, December 10, the obstetrical and neonatal teams reached the collaborative decision that Mrs. Duggar needed an emergency c-section to ensure the blood pressure problem would not be detrimental to her or the baby. Josie Brooklyn was born at 6:27 pm, weighed 1 lb., 6 oz, measured 30 cm long and is currently in stable condition. Michelle is recovering well from surgery. UAMS is the best place for Mom and baby, as we have a state of the art NICU care facility with some of the top neonatal doctors in the world.” Paul Wendel, M.D., Director, UAMS Division of Maternal-Fetal Medicine. The baby girl will have to remain in the NICU for extended care, as do all babies born so early. However, babies born at 25 weeks or later have a high chance of surviving with the advances in NICU technology. It looks like Michelle Duggar was in her 26th week since her due date was March 18, 2010.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 2:35 pm
Hmm well I guess it is in her favor to be a girl, if girls do better than boys at low birth weight.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 9:46 pm
(Mod, thanks. I've learned my new thing for the day. I've already put it to use in another thread. )
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Kittyab
Member
07-15-2005
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 10:04 pm
More then likely they gave Michelle a steriods to help mature the baby's lungs before the c-section.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 10:08 pm
I hope the Duggars have insurance. NICU is not cheap.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 10:26 pm
Amen to that, Alisons. Fifteen years ago it cost over $1000 a day just for a BED in NICU (and DS only had oxygen for 5 days and then a billi light for 15 days). When baby Josy is on a ventilator and everything else, the costs will be astronomical! However, if they have a beautiful little girl who is able to go home at the end of it (like our DS was) it is worth every single cent!
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 10:31 pm
What an incredible find of that article Twiggyish. I'm not sure if I'm feeling stunned, flabbergasted, or what. You see, the concept of low birth weight babies, and girls having a better chance is something our family has known for decades. My mom had 8 pregnancies, one of them twins. So in all, she had 9 babies, but only 4 of us lived. All the boys died, and all the girls lived. Its been a legacy in our family. In fact, my little sis (the only one of us to have kids) also had all but one of her boys not survive, and two girls live. Needless to say, we regard my nephew as a miracle baby (he's 18 now, but you get what I mean). Mom and sis both had premature births with almost all the babies. In fact, I myself was 2 months preemie and weighed 4lbs at birth (hard to believe that, seeing what I grew up into, LOL). Anyway, whenever we've talked about this phenomenon before, people have just been like, "oh wow, that is really weird." One of the times my sis was in the hospital with a premature labor they were trying to stop, her husband (now ex) started to ask the doc if they could determine the sex of the baby, and started to explain my Mom's history, and sis's history as well. The doctor pish poshed him and never let him even finish what he was trying to ask, and told us all that had nothing to do with anything. So, all our lives we've had this family legacy that people have just either pish poshed or just shook their heads in sad sympathy about how weird it is. After 51 years of my life (with older sisters, so Mom of course has gone through this for probably around 60 years), to have our "theory" vindicated in an article you found is just.....beyond words.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 12:03 am
NICU today will cost at the very minimum of $2500 per day...with a 25 weeker, you can expect the final bill, if things go smoothly to be about at least a quarter of a million dollars. If they don't go smoothly, and there need to be many procedures done, it will be way above that figure.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 11:22 am
And then add in the C section.. emergency .. and the time in the hospital ahead of time with doctors and anethesiology, and labs separate. I know my insurance was billed for $60,000 by the hospital for my stay.. I was there, including pre-op, surgery, recovery and finally in a room for 28 or so hours.. then the surgeons, two.. billed about $9000 each, anesthesiology, etc etc.. I'd have to go back to add up what they actually paid and then what I actually paid.. I suppose my actual surgery was more complex but there was no nicu and certainly no fragile baby involved. I don't see any new news about Josie, and hopefully that means she is progressing well.
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Rissa
Member
03-19-2006
| Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 11:54 am
Whoami, so sorry your mom had to go through all of that tragedy!! I can remember in high school biology being told that there are slightly more male babies born then female because more males die in childbirth, accidents and illness so nature has found a way to sort of even the odds by the time we are all adults. That was about 30 years ago so pish those doctors right back! The information has been out there for a long time.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 12:04 pm
I think it must be different for different areas of the country. 2 years ago in our local hospital, a regular bed per night was $2200 or $2400. (11 mos. ago, the price was another $200 more) Daughter had a ruptured appendix... for ER, surgery, and 12 or 13 nights it was $100,000 not including Dr. fees and some labs. Unfortunately, that's when we found out our great insurance was not so great, our final bill/our portion to pay after insur. payments and discounts was $40,000. I would think the NICU would cost many many times more. I bet baby Josie's care will be over a million $. So, I hope the Duggars have insurance and great insurance at that. They are very good with money, so, I hope they made the decision to purchase individual insurance since they don't work for a company. If they didn't, they are debt free, so, may be able to mortgage their properties to cover it...or at least some of it. If they don't have insurance, this one thing could really financially devastate them. I'm also going with the no news is good news thinking.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 12:09 pm
Thank god for insurance. I just went through a major medical crisis and would have never been able to pay the costs without insurance. Hoping to hear good news about baby Duggar.
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