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Cricket
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08-05-2002

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 6:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Texannie, ET wanted to give Jon a spot as a part time person, but he wasn't allowed to take it because of TLC.

The mistake made by the Goselins was they weren't represented by anyone when they signed the original contract, I think. Wasn't that a point of contention?

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 6:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, in your example, you neglected to include some extenuating circumstances - Kate would have needed to violate the contract several times by taking interviews and jobs without getting permission; and then badmouthed TLC publicly and in other interviews. Then Kate asks, and perhaps yes, not trusting what she might say or do, TLC turns her down.

TLC has a right to protect their brand.

And I don't think that because i like one or the other better; I don't particularly like either of them. I say it because I own a business, and all the time I have people using my business name without my best interests at heart. So, yes, I understand TLC wanting to protect their brand.

And again, we do not KNOW that Jon has EVER appealed to TLC per the terms of his contract and asked them to do something to earn money. We have no facts to back that up.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 6:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I have my own business as well and I'm all too familiar with people stealing stuff and taking advantage.

I'm sure that TLC is fully within their legal right to do what they have done here. I'm just saying that we might look at it differently if Jon and Kate had presented themselves in a more favorable light. I don't see anyone as a winner here or anyone looking good in this whole mess.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 6:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Cricket, I think that has been alleged by Jon or one if his attorneys, that they were naive and signed the first contract.. and certainly that isn't unusual with first contracts of many types in entertainment. But he had signed again and again as I read it, and if he chose to do that without counsel, he must have not had complaints at those times.

I suspect the first head butting came when he was first caught at the bar near his mother's place with the students and what turned out to be his first fling, the school teacher.. the one where he was caught coming out of her house the next morning and then tattled on by her brother. She disappeared fast when he hooked up with Hailey.

But my guess is that TLC may have had words with Jon at that time urging him to be less public with such activities while they were putting out a family show. As Kar says, protecting their brand. The first girl, then Hailey and overlapping with Hailey, the babysitter/bartender/wannabe model Kate objected to as a babysitter and Jon barring the gates to Kate, then the babysitter's mother (the babysitter having been silenced in some manner ($$)) came out with the tales of her daughter in the hot tub with Jon while the children were in the house, staying overnight (the paps had already caught her coming out of his apartment at dawn) and the babysitter's less than complimentary decription of Jon's "abilities".. so no wonder TLC was less than pleased.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 6:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I think if Jon had presented himself in a more favorable light, there would be no issue, of course. The issue is that he was positively boorish; and his employers have behaved accordingly. If Kate had behaved that way, they would have done the same with her also.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 7:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure how TLC is a winner here but we'll see. I guess it's damage control on their part but I think the damage is done. Learning Channel.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 7:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
looked at the reviews on Amazon, not sure how many of the pro or con commenters have actually read the book though. i think it's more of the same type of comments we see here or any other place on the web about them.
but, if all the commenters have bought the book, then the publisher will be thrilled.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 7:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
She said he was a 'ladykiller, but the gals would find out he was really clueless' just like Jon.

Cricket, which son was she talking about and what chapter is that in her new book? I assume you read it since I haven't seen that quoted anywhere.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 7:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
<I believe it came out this week and that's why Kate has been on the Today Show and the Tonight Show>

And Inside Edition and ET and E!Nesws and The Insider and....and...(and all of them 2 nights in a row.) No doubt she's been back on The View too. She must be worth a fortune by now. Thank God her book tour is happening soon. I won't have to look at her on my TV, at least for a while.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 7:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Holly, do you have a contract with TLC that you have to watch her on TV?

Just kidding..

Holly
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07-22-2001

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 7:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Well seriously, Sea, how can you avoid her. She's on almost every channel it seems.

Unfortunately, not kidding.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Holly, you do what I do. You see her name on a show, and you refuse to watch! That's how you avoid her. My only exception is DWTS, since I love the show. But she's doing very bad things to my blood pressure over there (as you may have noticed in the DWTS thread lol).

I just want her and Jon to go AWAY. I don't wish them ill, I don't care. I just want them out of my life, my news, my computer, my TV, etc etc etc. Is that too damn much to ask??

Holly
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07-22-2001

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Oh, trust me, Lurk, I flip the channel soon as I see her or hear that phoney laugh or see those phoney tears. But alas, there she be on the next channel I flip to! She's everywhere--like the flu virus when it's in season.

But at least it will be over some time soon. She'll be either be off DWTS or on her book tour which I hope is so successful that they keep her out on the road for the rest of the year.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 8:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Oh BTW just read more of the thread, and while in here might as well comment on my main problem with TLC. We all read and heard for months (couldn't help it unless you were Helen Keller), that they were barely speaking and that TLC was having a hard time getting enough footage to make a show.

This as well BEFORE Jon lost his mind and the series of skeevy girls started. I recall saying if it was true then I am annoyed at the whole Hawaii reunion of vows. Not so much for us, the viewers, being misled, though I certainly didn't like that But what about those poor kids, who will forever have a memory (and the CD to prove it) of their parents talking about being a family forever and just a few months later it all blows up.

Bottom line, it seems that they acted at being this happy family unit for the show, but the cost being the kids. I'm still not ok with that. My heart breaks for them. And I don't see how this won't affect at least some of them later in life in many negative ways, starting with trusting promises from loved ones, and including a lot more.

And it looks like TLC still wants to ride the Kate gravy train. I am SOOO sick of hearing how she needs to make a living to support those kids. How much did they make/save from the series? How much did she make from her 2 best selling books and lecture tours? Seems like Jon is making enough to pay her over 20 grand a month child support. So how is she so destitute that she can't get out of my life/TV? lolol

I want a Raid that works on grown up Gosselins!!!! I want them gone from my house!! Pest control is needed!

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Oh Holly how funny. We were cross-posting. You call her a flu...I am looking for extermination tools. LOLOL. Sad, yet oh so true. <77> All she ever did was bark orders, berate people, and make me happy that I didn't know her lol.

BTW one advantage to watching TV online is there a lot more choice in what what you turn on!! That and no commercials

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 8:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm kind of shocked that she would write a public book of letters to each of her children. That seems awfully personal and exploitative to me. If she wants to write private letters to her children that is a totally different thing. But publishing them for everyone to read?

Holly
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07-22-2001

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 8:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Lurk, I was just reading earlier today that sites like Hulu etc are becoming more and more popular. I can now understand why. <77>

Jimmer, I'm not shocked at all. I think she'll stoop to any level to keep herself in the limelight. She has been exploiting those children since birth, so why be surprised now. What does surprise me is that people condone it and encourage this woman to continue doing so by buying the so-called "book". Some of the reviews I read on Amazon indicate that she's not too kind to some of the individual kids in her "letters" to them and even embarrasses them by revealing personal facts.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 8:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Let's not be one-sided. Here's a review I read on Amazon:

A sweetly written, Touching book, April 17, 2010
By FWS

This review is from: I Just Want You to Know: Letters to My Kids on Love, Faith, and Family (Hardcover)
I have purchased and read I Just Want You to Know: Letters to My Kids
on Love, Faith, and Family. After reading the book, it is obvious to me
that many of the people who have left reviews of this book on Amazon
have based their opinion of the book on excerpts taken out of context
on several blogs and web sites.

The book is a sweetly written, touching book which really sheds a lot of light on
things that have been accepted as urban myths about the Gosselins.

The letters to the children are in no way exploitative of the children.
In my opinion, there is no way that anyone who actually reads the book
could think that.

Each letter, which separate the chapters, contain messages to the children
that would be no different than what most parents tell their children
regarding how they acted as a baby and how much their mother loves them.
I always loved to hear my mother talk to us about what we were like as
babies and my children were the same. There is little in any of these
that we have not heard Kate talk about on the show or read in her previous
book as far as the different personality traits of the kids. In no way
does she cross the line into something too personal to be made public
or not suitable to be read by someone else, either child or adult.

In addition to the letters, the book points out many facts about the background
of the show and interaction with other family members. Yes, there are
other family members in their lives! Despite what some people will tell
you, just because we didn't see it on the show, doesn't mean it isn't so!

You will find no negative remarks about any family member or friend.
in this book.Most of all, this book reiterates how much Kate Gosselin loves her
children and how she will do anything to provide them with the best
life possible.

It is unfortunate that some very misguided people have taken to badmouthing
this book without even reading it. It would be more fair for the reader
to make their own opinion about the ENTIRE book without taking their
remarks from comments taken out of context on websites that are bent on
ruining Kate Gosselin's career.
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Holly
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07-22-2001

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 8:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
LOL, that was the ONE positive review posted about the "book". Every other one I read (14 so far) was terrible. Here's just one example:

Why not praise your kids instead of telling them what is wrong with them, April 14, 2010
By B. Corker "BEE" (California) - See all my reviews


This review is from: I Just Want You to Know: Letters to My Kids on Love, Faith, and Family (Hardcover)
Just finished the book and OMG why would a mom let her little ones know what is wrong with them instead of the positive things about them. As always its all about Kate, I feel so sorry for those kids who are now being raised by nannies. Very sad story......


There's lots more similar reviews over there.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 8:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Regardless of what she says to her kids, directly addressing her children in a published book just seems very personal to me. As a kid I would have found that kind of embarrassing and personal even if my Mom said something "yucky loving" (ouch - LOL). Seriously though, ask your kids if they would want you to read something like that over the public address system at their school. But I guess it is no different than profiting from your children in a TV show.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 8:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Here's another couple:

14 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
Give me a break!, April 17, 2010
By Law and Order "Vincent" (New York, New York) - See all my reviews

This review is from: I Just Want You to Know: Letters to My Kids on Love, Faith, and Family (Hardcover)
This has to be the phoniest person on earth! How can she say how much she loves her kids when she is either writing books, dancing with the stars, or doing reality TV shows? Is she ever home with her kids? Does she ever take care of them? I wouldn't recommend this book to anyone! I got the book as a gift and after reading some of it, I got so aggravated and swore that I will never forgive the person who gave it to me! I would have given this book 0 stars but the minimum allowed was one. Save your money and rather than buying it donate the money it to a children's charity instead! What makes this person a celebrity?????? Help other customers find the most helpful reviews
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44 of 57 people found the following review helpful:
Lacking and too personal, April 13, 2010
By linda in nm (NM) - See all my reviews

This review is from: I Just Want You to Know: Letters to My Kids on Love, Faith, and Family (Hardcover)
Kate forgets to tell us why her six children are a year behind in school. She doesn't tell you that she deliberately kept them in pre-kindergarten so that they would be available for filming but that Jon popped her balloon by forbidding filming of the kids.

The tups will turn six on May 10. All other children their age will enter first grade next year. The tups will be seven-and-a half before they make it to first grade. They will all be eligible for their licenses before they make it to high school.


If this is true about holding the children back in Kindergarten, then I find that very disturbing.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 9:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The problem with the usefulness of those reviews though is that they are more an attack on Kate but say nothing specific about the content of the book.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 9:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
The problem with the usefulness of those reviews though is that they are more an attack on Kate but say nothing specific about the content of the book.

Could be because there's really no content in the "book" to be specific about. It consists of eight letters to her children some of which, from several reviews, should have been personal letters, not published. Not much to comment on except why would a mother do this to her children (except for the obvious reason...$$$$)

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 9:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
I think time will tell how the children either benefit or get hurt by all this exposure. I think both Kate and Jon desire publicity. I might if I were them too after getting a taste of the easy money simply by living in the camera. BUT, it does come across as artificial when we're seeing more of Kate than Kate with the kids.

Kate's smart to write the book now while she's drawing so much attention and sympathy from alot of her fans. I never watched their original show, it wasn't my cup of tea. But in time I can see many getting bored of this premise especially as the kids grow up and aren't small and cute.

I hope that the kids have trust funds set up. Child labor laws come to mind and since both her and Jon are only famous because of the kids I hope there's something legally being done, or already done, that sets up the kids for college and beyond because their childhood is far from normal.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 10:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
By BookWorm - See all my reviews

Amazon Verified Purchase(What's this?)
This review is from: I Just Want You to Know: Letters to My Kids on Love, Faith, and Family (Hardcover)

As you can see my book is an Amazon
Verified purchase. I bought the book and have read it.

The book is an easy read, written in a light conversational style. The book provides details of everyday life in the Gosselin household intermixed with letters to each of the children. Kate provides many glimpses into her struggles and rewards as a young Mother of 8. The book is not written with a "poor me" tone; it is written in a very matter-of-fact tone. It is life as she knows it, nothing more, nothing less. Her letters to her kids are respectful and show that she wishes only the best for her kids. I think her kids (as well as the readers) will also enjoy the details from their early days she provides them. I know my children love to hear stories from when they were babies.

I have not seen every episode of the Jon and Kate show, but I believe the book talks about life events not seen in the show as well as behind-the-scenes details of things we have all seen on the show. The book is not all peaches and cream but it doesn't provide really gritty details or stories either. If you are looking for a Kitty Kelley-styled tell-all, this is not your book. If you want some insights into everyday life in this large family this will be the book for you. If you enjoyed the show you will enjoy this book.

If I were to describe this book in one
word it would be : Sweet. :-)

By Brandon - See all my reviews

This review is from: I Just Want You to Know: Letters to My Kids on Love, Faith, and Family (Hardcover)
I bought this book as a present for my girlfriend because she's a big Jon and Kate + Eight fan. She hasn't put it down since I gave it to her. She said she really enjoys the letters to the kids and the pictures too. This made a really good gift to give to anyone that's a fan of the show.

By ZiggyFlo - See all my reviews

Amazon Verified Purchase(What's this?)
This review is from: I Just Want You to Know: Letters to My Kids on Love, Faith, and Family (Hardcover)
Do not listen to all the negative reviews posted here. They are done by a group of people
who go around the internet bashing Kate. This is a well written, lovely book that gives some
interesting insight. It was truly a pleasure to read and I would highly recommend it.

By Pat "bookchef" (Boulder, CO) - See all my reviews

This review is from: I Just Want You to Know: Letters to My Kids on Love, Faith, and Family (Hardcover)
This book surprises you with an inside look at Kate as a real person and tender-hearted mom. It's a perfect gift for Mother's Day or new moms or just other fans of Kate and the kids. Approach it with an open-mind and not tabloid headlines and you'll end up hugging your family and appreciating them more than ever.

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