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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 4:48 pm
Well, I personally don't compare it to the other shows because I don't watch them, so have no frame of referrence. I saw a grand total of one episode of the Duggars (I was bored out of my mind, and if I was diabetic I would have lapsed into a sugar induced coma). And I've seen others mention The Roloff's but I've never even heard of them? They have a show? So I'm not saying it's ok, I'm just not familiar enough with either family to feel I have a right to any opinion. And yet again I feel drawn back to "2 wrongs don't make a right." IMHO Jon behaved VERY badly. Kate has behaved VERY badly. The only Gosselins I care about are those poor kids who didn't ask for any of this. I will answer why I think they should be off the TV, since I do have an opinion on that. Not only are they totally losing their privacy, but the show clearly shows personality, and we all know kids can be less than perfect. Mady has already gotten a reputation for being a terror. We've seen the young kids favored and less favored. Some day they will look back and see it too. They will have folks holding them accountable for things for decades if not forever, when most kids go through phases, grow out of it, and America has no clue. I also feel they are coming to expect to be given things, taken special places, always cut the line at Disney etc. IMHO that isn't in their best long term interest. I'll never forget when Rosie O'Donnell said she made her kids wait in line at Disney so they didn't grow up with a sense of entitlement or being spoiled. Well seems to me she a HUGE star esp compared to the Gosselins, yet she is making sure her kids get it. Long as the show continues, the Gosselins won't stang a chance, as clearly their parents support the star treatment, as they both seem to yearn for it themselves. That is but a small sampling of the reasons I feel the kids should be off TV. Not to mention now they are young and cute. What if, perish the thought, they stop being so cute? I don't have faith in America to keep loving them. Again, I could make a VERY long list of reasons why I feel it's in their long term best interest to stay off the TV, yet can't think of 1 why they should stay on it. But JMHO of course.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 4:57 pm
Mama we posted at the exact same time...so I'll reply here. If the multitude of rumors on this topic is correct, Kate didn't want to give up the show. Jon didn't care. She allegedly proposed that they maintain their marriage on-air LONG after it was a shambles and virtually over. Finally he couldn't take living that lie, since it looked like he was cheating, as well as her cheating, when they just were living an arrangment. Given that so many close to them all said this was basically true, and given that all those early rumors came true, and I'm prone to think there is some basic truth in it. Esp since both Jon and Kate have made comments that both back it up, just with different viewpoints as they saw it. IE Jon saying he begged Kate to go to therapy and all she cared about was the show. Kate later saying she saw no reason to go to counseling for her and Jon, cause she felt it was over. IE Kate filing divorce papers stating their separation started 2 years earlier. Her camp tried to spin it that was just legalese, but can you say that if all was fine 2 years earlier? I doubt it. Last I checked it's not ok to lie in legal documents. And my take on Jon taking it was he is one of those guys who just simmers a long time, and then when he reaches his breaking point that's it. Plus he didn't always just take it IMHO. I saw tons of passive agressive nature from him. I think he just had no clue how to handle it better. And several times I did hear him tell Kate how much her comments hurt him in the show, and she just would laugh, blow it off, ignore him or take a shot at him. She did everything but listen to him and try to behave differently. I also don't think him reading over and over how henpecked and how wimpy he was to take her treatment. Again...2 wrongs, no right!
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 7:12 pm
it looked like he was cheating, as well as her cheating, when they just were living an arrangment. I must have missed something. When did Kate "cheat?" I know many don't consider what Jon did to be cheating. So I'll rephrase it. When did Kate date or see someone other than Jon? We have seen all the fine upstanding* women that Jon has dated, but who did Kate date? *Sarcasm intended.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 7:59 pm
Does it really matter? It seems evident she didn't love Jon anymore and isn't that what counts.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 8:13 pm
I don't believe for a second she broke it off because she didn't love him anymore. He hurt her terribly. She was the one wearing her wedding ring and at times crying. He said on national TV he was excited for his new life and he despised Kate. I wonder if someone has spilled that to the kids sometime out in public.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 10:32 pm
Mama....were they making reference to the bodyguard by chance?? I thought everyone agreed a long time ago there was nothing to that. Besides, it seems to be the common concensus here that it's not cheating if the marraige is over....I'll withhold my opinions on that. BUT, if Jon wasn't cheating because the marraige was over, then even if she was seeing someone it wouldn't be cheating would it? Just a couple of comments here....since my Dad is no longer alive, I can honestly say that if he wrote ANYTHING concerning me or to me, I would love it. I don't care if it was on every coffee table in America, I'd still treasure it forever. Some day, Kate won't be around anymore, but the kids will still have what she's written. DTWS...I had to laugh. I can see thousands of colors in the sky, but I can't put it on an canvas. My personality is such that I want things to be perfect...and they aren't. It comes across as stiff. I'm thinking thats why she can't dance. Ya'll must watch other channels from me cause I haven't seen Kate on TV in a long time. I don't watch DWTS...but I haven't seen her on anything else either. If you don't want to see her, get a 19 yr old and watch MTV and VH1. It works!! I think that Kate is trying to get some financial security while she can. That escrow money is going to run out soon, she can't count on that. She has to do what she can to put away the money to last her and the kids a long time. She's a planner. I consider tanning and fake nails a job related expense. Can't have her on camera looking like bad...though if she keeps tanning.... I haven't read of posted to this thread for a long time, and I spent several hrs reading posts from April.....this thread is like a soap opera that you don't watch for six months and come back and it's all the same LOL.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 9:36 am
Kate is a calculating tabloid star who is going to get as much as she can while she can and USE the kids as her reason. Jon's a dumb arse but at least I feel he's human and not a tabloid zombie. Okay attack me ::holds up her teflon frying pan::
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 9:56 am
I think Kate is doing what she can to support her family. I am also thinking the Roloffs, Duggars and the table for 12 family would not have shows if it were not for their kids.
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:14 am
I saw on MSNBC this morning that Jon said DWTS offered him $500,000 to do the show, but he turned it down because he didn't want to disturb the family. DWTS says they never approached him about doing the show and $500,000 would have been way out of line anyway.
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:17 am
Well, that was my first two posts ever now I must go do something constructive. lol Have a nice day
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:19 am
Shen, my sore behind and I would LOVE a reason to attack you...however since I 100% agree with you, it makes it hard. Um, but can I hit back just for the fun of it?!! LOLOL (note to self; find a whip emoticon) BTW could someone please tell me who the heck the Roloff's are? I never even heard of them until recently in this thread.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:39 am
Shen....I'm not gonna whip you...say she's a tabloid star all you want to. Say she's using the kids as a reason. I for one think those 8 little reasons are plenty reason enough. I've had to scale back my standard of living due to a divorce in the past year. it's not easy to do. She and those kids are used to a lifestyle that requires lots of money. Her 15 mins WILL end. Why not grab what she can when she can? She's a saver, she's a thinker, she's a planner. Those kids will never go without even if their dad never pays a dime above whats in escrow. To me, that's whats important here. Seriously....how many here can say they wouldn't? Wait, lots will say they wouldn't, but nobody can say that for certain since they have never been in that situation. So yeah, if you wanna classify her as a tabloid star, call her whatever you want......while she may like the attention, as most would in her place, I still believe her heart is in the right place.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:40 am
Oh Lurk....Roloffs=little people big world.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:46 am
I read in US magazine that Jon was offered DWTS but declined after he saw what Kate being on it did to the kids. US magazine said DWTS refuses to respond to any casting rumors. So, who knows what is true. What probably happened is they offered, he said he'd do it for 1/2 million and they refused. Yes, Roloffs: Mom and dad are little people with 4 kids, 3 who are average sized, one who is a little person too. They are a very real, warts and all, kind of family. It's a very interesting show.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 11:07 am
I can't see anyone wanting to see John on TV. He'd been voted off faster than Shannon Doherty. The pro dancers don't want his grubby mits all over them. Bleck, can you blame them?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 11:20 am
LOL - He couldn't dance any worse than Kate.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 11:20 am
Jon has/had a lot of fans. I'd tune in to see him dance over Kate any day. I remember the old Jon, the one that had a sense of humor about himself. I'm sure he's still lurking in there, under the hollywood sunglasses and tacky t-shirts.
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 11:32 am
I don't think it is a case of who would or would not watch Jon on DWTS. I think it is a case of he said he was asked to be on the show and DWTS says he wasn't. Someone is not telling the truth.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:03 pm
But if DWTS policy is to never comment on casting rumors, then the TV broadcast who reported that he wasn't asked is the one lying. Does DWTS comment on casting? I don't really know.
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:07 pm
NO, I don't think anyone is lying. DWTS said they don't comment on casting rumours. So I believe both of them. He also said in that article in US magazine that he wouldn't wear tights or feathers. He didn't like what the show did for Kate or the kids.. I think a lot of people would watch him on the show. He'd bring in viewers for sure. Just like Kate did.
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:08 pm
I don't know, I just posted what I read on MSNBC. I am new to post, so maybe I should not have posted that. Sorry
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:08 pm
Two people I would choose never to see on either my television or magazines again...Jon Gosselin and Octomom.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:09 pm
Brenda....I don't see much difference between the Rolloffs and Jon and Kate. She snips at him all the time, mostly about money, he ignores it and continues to do what he wants,and they both complain about the other one. Their housekeeping and parenting techniques are different, and in some ways they are more likeable, but as far as husband and wife interaction, there isn't much difference.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:10 pm
Lazylu...you did just fine!!
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:10 pm
I'd watch Jon simply to find out who this guy is. Because I'm nosy like that 
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