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Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
And then Kate went against doctor's orders as she had too many ripe follicals and she should not have tried to get pregnant that cycle, but went ahead and did it anyways putting both herself and her children at risk. Thankfully it turned out well for her, but others haven't been so lucky.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
ouch, that link was rather judgemental!

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 8:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
If I was a woman struggling with infertility and knew that I had "ripe eggs" (or whatever the proper term is), I doubt that I would wait either.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
It said the doc put her in the hospital...for how long? She may have supposed she was in the clear. Those eggs don't wait around forever.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I think some of the info in that link is incorrect. This is from Kate's (and Beth's) book:

"Just weeks later, Jon and I sat in a cheerfully decorated office anxiously awaiting the results of my latest set of injections. To our immense relief, our doctor happily reported that by all indications, it was a great cycle. We spent a few moments going over our next steps in the process, which initially would be an ultrasound to determine exactly how many mature follicles had developed.
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At the scheduled ultrasound on a sunny Sunday morning, the doctor was thrilled. He discovered three mature follicles and possibly even a fourth follicle with the potential to still mature. While Jon and I had that night-before-Christmas kind of anticipation, we were still concerned that all four follicles would somehow be fertilized. Up until that point, when we spoke of multiples, we basically had been referring to the possibility of twins. That was what we had experienced, and so that was our reality. Never did we ever really allow our minds to fully wrap around the idea of multiples turning into more than twins. As if reading our thoughts, our doctor was quick to reassure us that statistically it would be very unlikely that all four or even three of the follicles would be fertilized. He also was completely thorough in giving us an escape route if we so chose. We could simply discontinue the injections and repeat the process in two months, aiming for enough but not too many follicles.
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We were united in our decision to proceed with that cycle. Even as we walked to the car following the appointment that day, I will never forget Jon's words as he turned to me with complete conviction and said, "We will never regret having too many children. Let's do it!"
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We had carefully weighed all our odds and fearfully yet happily decided to step out in faith and take advantage of my great cycle. I was given the one final injection of human chorionic gonadotropin, commonly referred to simply as HCG, which was soon followed by the momentous culmination of the whole long involved process: the intrauterine insemination."

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
As someone who went through the same process, there were several times that we saw multiple follicles, but they never resulted in a viable pregnancy. Just because you see multiple follicles and chose to fertilize them, does not mean you are being irresponsible.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I've been through injectibles, just like Kate, and there are various things that have to be taken into consideration, like the age of the woman (and the age of the eggs -- Kate was young). The huge multiple births are what get some people up in arms, proposing legislation around how much assistance fertility docs can give, trying to regulate IVF, etc. All of which I strongly oppose because it is so variable depending on each case. Most reputable fertility docs don't consider triplets or more to be a success. That is viewed as a failure because of the high risks to mom and babies. But there are those docs out there, like Octomom's doctor, who are of questionable ethics. I beleive most of our high order multiples are from injectibles, not from IVF, which certainly gives you pause when you're the one using the injectibles! :-)

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Texannie and Brenda, good information. Thanks for sharing.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 11:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
There is something I do not understand about this whole thread. There are many shows I do not watch because I truly do not like the character, the actor, the premise and/or the participant. I cannot watch CSI Miami because the star makes me want to puke. I do not watch the "real" housewives of anywhere because I don't like the premise. The same with the dating shows, and many other scripted and non scripted shows.

I have never gone to those threads to tell people who do enjoy the shows/people how awful the shows or the people are. I just don't watch and don't comment. Why do people dislike Kate so much that they have to first claim they wouldn't watch anything she is on and turn the TV to another channel when they see her, feel the show damaged her children and was a mistake from the beginning come here just to rip apart everything she says and does? I just don't get it.

It would be understandable for a show to be watched a few time, go to that thread and say that it isn't one that will be on your schedule because.... But to harp on one show and one woman for so long after the show is over seems strange to me. In the grand scheme of our lives, it really doesn't make sense to continue to state and restate reasons why a television personality will not be on your list of shows to watch.

I admire Kate and know that I could not have done as good a job as she has in not only raising her children, but providing for them. If she can do it without doing anything immoral or illegal, more power to her. If people think she is doing something that seems wrong to them, that's life. We cannot control what others do, but we don't have to watch them on television if we disagree with the way they have chosen to live their lives.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
There currently *is* no show to watch! so, perhaps no one should be posting here. LOL.

I did watch Jon and Kate + Eight. I watched it because I enjoyed seeing the kids, etc. I used to be amused by Kate's snippiness and rudeness toward Jon. I liked watching Jon interact with the kids. So I was a fan of the show, not of Kate.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Same here Brenda. I liked watching the show for those same reasons. I am done arguing but do pop in here from time to time. There is still a lot I don't get, but the banter in here amuses me!! (included in what i don't get is when ppl try so hard to explain how Kate is such a great mom, when all I see is someone doing what they can to gain as many bucks as they can. I mean she really could take a year off to take some of the heat off of her and the kids, but she isn't. But who cares? Definitely makes this thread interesting.) And it is so ironic as there isn't even a show!!

Moderator
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06-29-2002

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 12:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Moderator a private message Print Post    
When we stop talking about Kate & Jon and the kids and instead start talking about each other we have gone even further off-topic. Let's at least keep this thread about Kate & Jon and the eight kids. Thank you.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
What I admired about Kate was in the early years when she kept everything from disolving into utter chaos.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
The public is notoriously fickle. Neither TLC nor Kate could afford her to take a year off...there is a new influx of multiple family shows on every week, it seems...would Kate be a hot commodity in a year?

Furthermore, she really didn't do much in the past year outside of her regular TLC show and be involved in divorce proceedings with Jon, with the exception of a few public appearances like on the View...and her filming was but off early due to Jon's negotiations with the network.

I don't have a dog in this hunt but I surely don't hate Kate. I'm not that personally invested.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Interesting Article from People Magazine:

s tough as it’s been for Kate Gosselin to please the Dancing with the Stars judges, she says there are no downsides to joining the show.

“There were no cons,” she told Ryan Seacrest Monday during an interview on his 102.7 KIIS FM radio show. “I figured they’ll whip my body into shape when I needed it. The pros were — I still don’t know how to dance, but I was hoping I would learn how to dance.”

Despite consistently low scores from the panel, Gosselin has managed to escape elimination. The same cannot be said, however, about the occasional clash with her partner, Tony Dovolani.

“That’s the law across the board with all dancers,” she told Seacrest of her and Dovolani’s spats. “I asked for somebody who would push me really, really hard because I need that. I have a lot of distraction in my life … We can’t just dance we have to dance with all the drama.”

Though she says she’d trade places with her babysitter “in a micro-millisecond” to be home with her kids rather than learning to tango, Gosselin faces the same dilemma as other single moms. “You have to be at work because you have to provide for your kids,” she says, “but really my heart is at home with them.”

Luckily, her eight children support her decision to do Dancing. “This is the first and only thing I have ever done that my kids care about,” Gosselin said. “It pushes me on to do better, to stay on the show, to get voted through because, honestly, they count down the days until Monday.”

And Gosselin is sharing the experience with another working mom on the show — her competitor, Pamela Anderson. “We sit in the hair and makeup chair next to each other and talk about our kids. She’s awesome,” she says. “I have gotten to know the Pam that is just a mom that drops her kids off at school. She’s given me advice about what it’s like to be a single mom.”


http://tvwatch.people.com/2010/04/19/kate-gosselins-kids-want-her-on-dancing-with-the-stars/

Rissa
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03-19-2006

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 12:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Roxip, I think you make a good point. If Kate took a year off there is little chance the public would remember her name when she decided to try for another shot in the business. She probably looks at it in reverse... strike while the fire is hot, take advantage of the offers and the money because in a year or two it will all be gone and hopefully she will have made enough to coast for a few years or longer.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 2:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Though she says she’d trade places with her babysitter “in a micro-millisecond” to be home with her kids rather than learning to tango..."

But apparently she wouldn't for $$(insert how much $$ she is getting for DWTS)!!

(and I am just being facetious here-let's not go round and round about how she has to do this to support her kids. I know she does have to support them, I just thought it was kind of ironic that she worded it like that!!)

Sia
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03-10-2002

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 10:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sia a private message Print Post    
As a supporter of Kate, and as someone who thinks she is a better parent to her eight children than their father has been, I thought of something this evening which may explain why she states in every single interview that she is "working for her kids." My DH, for one, comments that Kate always makes that statement when interviewed. Please consider the following:

One day, probably sooner rather than later, one or more of the Gosselin children will read or see an interview that Kate has done with the press. Perhaps Kate consciously makes the statement that she is away from her kids and working "for them" in every single interview so that her children will one day hear that message.

Imagine if she forgot to say that in just one interview, and that was the very clip or print interview that one of the kids saw/read. I'd rather err on the side of redundancy and let the adults in the public deal with hearing the same thing time and again than take the chance that the children might see an interview in which their existence isn't even acknowledged.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, April 19, 2010 - 11:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Sure.. Carol Burnett always pulled on an ear as a signal to her family.

Lots of parents do that sort of thing.

Julie.. not gonna go round or round w/you, but the only way to stop that is no comment since the commenter cannot ask others not to reply.. or they can, but it rarely works.. in tennis if you want to stop the rally you don't hit the ball back over the net.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 6:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I almost feel that I have to apologize for saying this but I generally don't take it well when people feel that they constantly have to verbally emphasize that they are sacrificing for their kids or doing stuff for their kids. Actions should speak louder than words. Doing it once in a while is different. Something fairly subtle like Carol Burnett did is different. Saying hi to your kids on TV or telling them that you love them is different.

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 6:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
Carol Burnett's ear pulling was actually a signal to her grandmother that she was doing well and she loved her. Her grandmother raised her.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I have to wonder if Kate is compelled to say that she does things for her kids because every time you turn around she's being accused of being a fame wh*** or that she does it all for her own selfish gain.

Just look at this one simple internet site and what people here say. Any human being would defend their actions if they're being talked about. It's on a much grander scale because she is a TV celebrity, no doubt.

Are there any posters here who are told on a regular basis that they're bad parents, that they should not work in their field of choice, that they need to change their personality, or that they should move to a living situation of someone else's choice? No, it's ridiculous. Kate had or has a sharp tongue, and doesn't come across as a very friendly or lovey-touchy kind of person. That alone is the reason many people feel they can be so publiclily negative about her. There is WAY too much empasis and effort spent on damning her and far too little care about Jon's or TLC's role in this whole mess. And don't forget who created this frenzy in the first place...the viewers.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 7:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

I agree Jimmer. So tired of hearing it, just seems to ring false to me. Boo hooing on TV about it. There are many, many working mothers and we get up and go to work without crying about it on TV.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 7:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
If she stopped saying it, she would be criticized too.
I certainly do not think Kate walks on water, and did not like many of her actions on the show, but I am willing to cut her slack since (as hard as it is to believe ) none of us is perfect, and I imagine we would all come out looking pretty badly if our lives were dissected publicly.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 7:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
but we don't have cameras and microphones in our faces asking us why we are doing this or that...

She gets ripped apart no matter what she does and her main and end goal is her kids. I see it as her reminding herself just why the hell she'd put up with all the crap...I'm doing it for my kids...I'm doing it for my kids... Like the little engine that could. LOL!!

You Go Kate (but I do think your time on DWTS is done...and if not, it should be..sorry) :-(