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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 2:22 pm
Thanks for the updates.. As one blogger pointed out.. they could use birth control or even had surgery and if god really really WANTED them to have even more children, well.. he'd figure it out. I do hope they will listen to reason since they already have so many who do need their mom around. Anyway, very happy that Josie is said to be doing so well.. that had been my main concern.. and I hadn't found any newer articles last I looked. (have to admit didn't look earlier today, was about to leave for a colonoscopy but nice to hear this before I go for a nap, prescribed by the doctor! LOL
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 9:38 am
Michelle Duggar tells PEOPLE she is cherishing every moment with her premature 19th child, Josie Brooklyn, who remains hospitalized at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences in Little Rock. "Josie is doing as well as can be expected for a baby at her age. We are taking each hour as it comes," says Michelle, who has been released from the hospital. "We feel so blessed that God has given us to her and are cherishing every moment with her." Josie was born on Dec. 10 weighing 1 lb., 6 oz. Michelle, who had been in the hospital recovering from a gallstone, was taken to the OR for an emergency C-section. Her husband Jim Bob Duggar remained by her side. Michelle's doctors said the baby was born prematurely because Michelle suffered from preeclampsia, a rare condition during pregnancy that causes high blood pressure. Jim Bob says the family is "very grateful" for the support, love and prayers they have received from around the country. "God's will is what we would choose if we knew all the facts. Our children's spiritual maturity is going to deepen so much through this, in a way that couldn't happen any other way," he says. He adds, "This is so difficult, but I know that we are leaving this in God's hands."
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 10:01 am
Our children's spiritual maturity is going to deepen so much through this, in a way that couldn't happen any other way," he says. Not to be a Debbie Downer, but please don't tell me that the suffering that poor little baby will do for who knows how long, will be good for the other children! Yes, lessons may be learned, but it's Michelle and JimBob that need to learn the biggest one here...it's time to stop with the babies and just enjoy the ones you have (and now a grandchild)!
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:07 am
I always wonder if people missed the part where God gave us free will. Doesn't that translate to we should be responsible for our own actions instead of expecting someone to do it for us? Yeah I know...that is very simplistic!!
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 12:00 pm
I don't think he meant that it would be good for the children. For those of faith hard times can strengthen and deepen our faith in ways that could not be done in good times. Not that we wish these times to come, but as my father always said.. Diamond is just a piece of coal that did well under pressure.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 1:01 pm
I understand what he meant by it being good for the children, so I added that yes, there would be life lessons learned... but as far as I can see, the best good thing to come from this situation would be for them to stop having children. Am I imposing my own values here? Yes, I am. I spent my career working with children with special needs, and with 18 others who need their parents, it becomes selfish to think that they should just keep having children. Michelle and Jim Bob have played their cards so many times and been very fortunate. IMO, it's time they focused on the children they have already, and stop risking Michelle's life in the process.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 1:17 pm
I asked this once before ... isn't Michelle's life in danger having all of these pregnancies? And it seems to be what your saying Huk.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 1:25 pm
Vaca, they mentioned a few babies ago that because of previous c-sections, that she could have a uterine rupture. Since they airlifted her to a hospital this time, I have wondered whether she could be saved should that occur.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 1:32 pm
I lost a neighbor to a ruptured uterus while giving birth to her umteenth child.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 1:38 pm
Wow ... that's very scary and a huge risk. I wouldn't want to take it. Sorry about your neighbor OG.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 3:19 pm
I read a woman can bleed out, because the uterus may not go back into place after multiple births.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 4:12 pm
It sounds like they don't expect little Josie to survive. As to free will, God did give us free will. Jim Bob and Michele are exercising their free will by not using birth control.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 5:24 pm
Yep their free will, but it impacts another life as well as Michelle's and certainly she has plenty of people who really DO need her in their lives already. And as a nurse said in reference to octomom and the Duggars.. "just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD". I do hope somehow Josie will manage to beat all odds and thrive.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 5:30 pm
doesn't most instance of free will impact someone else?
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Lori32
Member
07-04-2008
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 6:32 pm
As of this moment,all my energy I would have spent Pondering whether they should or should not have more children is going to be devoted to prayers that Little Josie does beat Insurmountable odds and thrives... Jim Bob and Michelle are level headed intelligent people and while their choices may not seem Lucid to others,it is their decision to live their life as they see fit.And so long as it is not a burden on anyone outside their family,they should be left to do just that. If this is a sign that it is time to come to terms with calling off plans for future children,I am sure they will take Heed.. God Bless them all...
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 6:56 pm
Annie, many do and that means that just perhaps the "right" to free will needs to take into consideration the impact on others.. (not to mention the environment, infrastructure, carbon footprint, etc..) That goes way back to "No Man is an Island" for the most part. And, like most intelligent human beings, I'm quite capable of multitasking and being able to opine about how queasy the whole Dugger "thing" has always made me, while at the same time being able to fervently hope for the best for Josie.. not to mention about 50 kids on caringbridge.com who I follow through their journeys with cancer and other devastating childhood illnesses.. The heart is infinitely stretchable in that way.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 4:18 pm
I cannot see on a search anything dated since the 18th as an update.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 4:27 pm
IMO, the Duggar's carbon footprint (or families like them) is one of the least of the U.S.'s problems. In fact, I don't see it as a problem at all.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 5:04 pm
found this, but it's from the 18th too, but sounds much more upbeat.... Duggars' 19th child in 'stable condition' December 18, 9:47 After a week of no word from the Duggars on Baby No. 19's condition, Jim Bob Duggar released a statement to the media regarding his 19th child, Josie Brooklyn. "Hello from the Duggar Family. We are so grateful for all of the prayers and emails of support for our family since Josie Brooklyn Duggar was born 12-10-09. Michelle is [recovering] from the emergency c-section and is doing [a lot] better. Josie is beautiful and in stable condition." Michelle Duggar of 18 Kids and Counting gave birth to Josie December 10 at UAMS hospital in Little Rock. She was airlifted to the hospital the previous weekend for gallstone problems. Michelle had an emergency C-section after doctors discovered she had preeclampsia, which could be a life threatening condition for child and mother. Jim Bob told Radaronline.com that Michelle was released from the hospital Tuesday evening. "Michelle was released from the hospital on Tuesday evening and is doing a lot better. We are blessed to have Grandma Duggar to care for the rest of the family while we stay close to our baby girl during her recovery.” Michelle's sister, Freda Ruark, told ABC News that "the baby is doing great." "Josie is holding her own," she said. "As long as she can get some of that breast milk, that will help build up her immune system." Little Rock's UAMS hospital has "angel-eye cameras" in the neonatal intensive care unit which allows the family to view the baby from their home computers.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 7:12 pm
Jimmer, unfortunately when you have that many people and follow the generations.. and it seems like they are starting on the next almost as soon as reproductively possible .. it blows up exponentially. Just my opinion, but I feel it is quite selfish. Of course in the total scheme of things what they are producing is small.. compared to some countries.. but they also live in a place where the life expectancy is pretty long, relatively. ========== Thanks, Annie.. yes that is the latest of what I had found and read and I'm glad they are in a good place and that they got one of the rooms with the Angel Eye Cams, assuming they did.. because that will be quite useful for the entire family. I was just hoping that there would be a report of good progress in the last couple of days. I know, just have to sit back and see how she does, but I really want to hear some news and hope it is good news. I don't lionize that family but I sure wouldn't wish one bit of harm on that little girl!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 7:34 pm
So do you think that people who don't have or want kids should be critiqued in a similar way?
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 8:46 pm
I wanted 5 kids. Was able to have 0 kids. So my "carbon footprint" is 5 people less than I planned. I give my "5" to the Duggars. I have much more problem with people who drive SUV's when there are only 4 or less in the family. I have much more problem with athletes & actors & musicians who fly back and forth here and there, or even taking busses. I have much more problem - as big of a NASCAR fan as I am - of the impact auto racing. I could go on and on. Off topic, but should we have a child limit law in the US like there is in China? Should we give up our freedom of choice?
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Lori32
Member
07-04-2008
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:48 pm
"Off topic, but should we have a child limit law in the US like there is in China? Should we give up our freedom of choice?" In simple terms... HELL NO!!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:20 pm
Jimmer, how would not having kids (by choice or by not being able to have them) cause an impact on the environment or use more resources? I guess if you feel critical of someone for not reproducing then, sure you would critique them. In terms of carbon footprint, yep all of those things Serate lists are troublesome, including all the bigwigs taking private jets to meet with others to impose standards on mostly people who don't use private jets. That is high irony to me. Oh but their time must be so much more valuable.. I think it is best to do what we can, be it large or small, but just because there are bigger users doesn't free me up to leave the water running, drive an SUV, etc. And I'll give my lack of kids credits to people who adopt. I'd hate to see limits placed by governments.. child limits or worse, places where birth control is dictated against by a dominant religion, thus forcing people to either be celibate or produce more children. Sorry, I'm certainly not alone in my opinion of the Duggars. Normally stay out of here but here is where I hope to see updates on the little one.
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Christy358
Member
07-10-2007
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 1:12 am
Of topic post here.... TVCH is one of my favorite places. I can always get an answer to a question, an opinion on an idea, help with computers, dinner ideas. But what is really amazing is how people with such different views of a subject post back and forth with each other in such respectful ways. I like posts that make me think of things I have not considered before. Thanks
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