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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 6:31 pm
I never wanted primary custody, [List] filed for that," he tells TMZ. "I only wanted a more flexible custody schedule so I could be with my kids." Doesn't Jon realize this is how you go about changing your visitation rights. You put it all out there and then you mediate. He is so naive. I'd love to hear the real story behind this...possible pressure from TLC? They've got this guy (as does Kate) where they want him. Why, Kate even used him as her excuse for doing poorly this week. He is just too easy for Kate/TLC...no match for them. I liked his new lawyer and wish Jon would have stuck with him no matter who said what to him; whether it be his chldren, Kate or TLC.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 6:48 pm
Update to my above post...just read that Kate's lawyer said Jon's filing paperwork was wrong and he was in the wrong court or something. Basically, Kate's lawyer slammed Jon's lawyer as not knowing what he's doing, so perhaps this friend of Jon's Dad is retired or something and not current on PA law. However, the guy did know that Kate was promoting herself and would continue to do so, which is why he thought Jon could get more visitation. I don't know if Kate's lawyer's attacks on Jon's lawyer are what made Jon fire him or what. Such a sad state of affairs.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 7:00 pm
Well the lawyer also got to be on tv.. of course he chose Nancy Grace and got grilled but he got his 15 min. I really donn't think TLC has complete control of all of Jon's actions! If they did he would have not had all these people speaking for him and basically cramming his foot into his mouth.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 11:51 pm
Very bad idea of Jon to represent himself in any legal proceeding, if, in fact, that is the case. It's so hard to know what the real story is though. When a lawyer doesn't know what he is doing, it wastes everyone's time. Again, hard to know what is true. I'm not sure why TLC would be pressuring Jon about anything. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Jon or his lawyer filing new custody motions or whatever seems like a perfectly legitimate reason for Kate being distracted from dancing. I think most would be distracted by it, especially if they thought everything had been all sorted out and done with for at least awhile ... like a few years or so. Also, Kate needed to concentrate more than any other star on DWTS. I don't think it was her excuse, I think it was her reason.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Friday, April 23, 2010 - 12:20 am
divorce is hell. I had to drop out of nursing school, a dream I'd worked for for 5 years because of a divorce. We all know I'm not a fan of Kate's but I truly wish her no harm either and agree that it would be very very distracting.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, April 23, 2010 - 8:33 am
Jon really needs to get good, competent representation.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, April 23, 2010 - 1:07 pm
Jon really needs to get good, competent representation. But he needs to get a clue first. Unfortunately, they don't sell clues anymore.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, April 23, 2010 - 1:30 pm
But maybe if he had good, competent representation THEY would clue him in! LOL
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, April 23, 2010 - 1:59 pm
I'm not really interested in Jon getting a clue, even if it's by proxy, lol. He just needs to go back to New York City and become the best darned playboy he can be.

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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, April 23, 2010 - 6:43 pm
Texannie, I agree with you about Jon and legal representation..BUT I agree with Huk more LOLOL. Man needs a clue. I've felt he desperately needs a GOOD therapist. To me there has been almost a mania about him since he split with Kate. It's like he became a totally different person. I keep remembering how he started making a LOT of comments about how he was too young to have so many kids. I recall posting about how I felt he was having some type of early mid-life crisis. And given how horridly he has behaved, I think I may have been on to something (if I do say so myself lol). It's like he's drunk on freedom and proving he's still young and is going to make up for the years of being the stable family guy. Ironically, aside from all the media trash, he seems very sad and lost to me. I sincerely think he needs help and direction, be it therapy, a life counselor or something. And I mean a legit good one, not another leech or someone like Lohan's Dad etc!!! BTW Huk, for his sake, and mostly that of those precious kids, I would like to see him get a clue. I think for years he was a decent man and a good father. I don't want to see him permanently blow that!!!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, April 23, 2010 - 7:27 pm
I have always maintained that their marriage worked for them until Jon started reading all the comments about him being so henpecked. I think he needed the structure she provided and she obviously needed to be the dominant one in a relationship.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Friday, April 23, 2010 - 9:06 pm
Lurk, do you think Kate needs counseling? Texannie, I think you make a very good point; however, I believe Jon still would have stayed had Kate not told him the marriage was over and they would live separate lives but in the same house and they would continue filming. I just don't think Jon has it in him to 'pretend' or lie that long. He seems to need to just blurt things out, so he just wouldn't be good at what Kate wanted to do so they could keep earning money from the show.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, April 23, 2010 - 9:29 pm
Cricket, I really had to think about that for a minute. I guess they way I see it is that Kate, as far as I can see, has basically remained true to her character throughout. Whereas with Jon, there has been a drastic and I feel self-destructive and negative downturn in his actions. I think Jon used to be a pretty decent, if somewhat spineless, man. I don't feel his choices have benefited him, so I think counseling might definately help him. Which brings me back to Kate. Unless I'm wrong, for counseling to be useful, don't you have to want to change or think something is wrong? I'm not sure Kate is open to dealing with her flaws, so for me to say she should go to counseling, well, I guess I would hope she would want to change and if so, then yes I definately think she should go. But does she have any interest in changing? And unless she is willing to see her flaws, learn and grow from them etc, I don't think it serves any purpose. Hope that makes sense. It's the same way I always wished Jon & Kate would go to marriage counseling. For me, it was painful to watch how she treated him, so I could only imagine how it felt to be him. Which brings me to Texannie. While you might be right, it also might be that he just reached his breaking point. After all, over the years, he would make comments back. So I think he had a problem with it too, he just gave up rather than insist she treat him differently knowing it was a losing battle. But that's just my best guess from what I saw. Also, maybe it's a combo of our thoughts. That actually makes a lot of sense.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 6:42 am
Since none of us were there or actually have inside information (only info reported in news, tabloids or other message boards) we will really never have anything but conjecture. But it is fun to 'conject'! LOL
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 6:49 am
For all we know, she could already be in counseling. If I were in her shoes, I sure as heck wouldn't let anyone know that! The paps would stop at nothing to get a pic of her going to see her counselor, or bribing somebody to get a "peek" at her records!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 10:20 am
Texannie, while we weren't there, we did get to see quite a bit of how both Jon and Kate acted and treated each other on the show. Given that you would think they would be on their best behavior (as this wasn't the type of show that wanted or would benefit from fake drama), I always felt that what we saw was just the tip of the iceberg. So, while we weren't exactly there, we did have a peep hole to see some of it. And that's what I'm personally going off of.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 10:38 am
And that can be dangerous.. but heck people do it every day on TV and other media. Usually even with a licensed clinician they will give the disclaimer that they haven't examined or treated that person. And I sure agree that I wouldn't say a word to anyone about what I was doing, if I was in her shoes..
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 1:41 pm
Lurknomore stated: Which brings me back to Kate. Unless I'm wrong, for counseling to be useful, don't you have to want to change or think something is wrong? I'm not sure Kate is open to dealing with her flaws, so for me to say she should go to counseling, well, I guess I would hope she would want to change and if so, then yes I definately think she should go. But does she have any interest in changing? And unless she is willing to see her flaws, learn and grow from them etc, I don't think it serves any purpose. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for responding, Lurk. You are right about Kate, I suppose. No good getting help if one doesn't think they need it. I just feel sorry for the children. They are/were in counseling, but I don't know how much help it will give them in dealing with Kate. I do think Jon would benefit greatly from counseling and I thought he was actually going a while back. He is one who needs guidance and he needs to get strong for his children. Regarding the marriage counseling, I thought Jon did want to go, but Kate said no. I think by the time she told him it was over, she was done; however, I do feel she was totally taken offguard when he actually left her and wanted a divorce. I get the feeling she thought they could just go on as they were until the filming stopped in a few years.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 1:47 pm
I just remembered something. Kate was on Regis and Kelly the other day and she was once again saying how all the stress in her life made it hard for her to practice. She has used the excuse of Jon taking her to court many times in the last couple of weeks as to why she just couldn't concentrate and she's always talking about the 'drama' in her life, while blaming others for it. I was thinking that there would have been no court; no stress...if only she had let Jon see the children more as he requested while she was away so much for DWTS. So...to me, she brought that stress on herself and then used it as an excuse to not practice. Between that and questioning everything Tony tried to tell her, she never learned a thing. It's hard for me to have sympathy for people that do things that cause a reaction they don't like and then they whine about it. Wouldn't it have been much simpler if she'd had just let Jon have a bit more time. That's what was bothering him; that she left the kids with nannies rather than let him be with his children.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 2:57 pm
I see your point Cricket and agree that perhaps she might have brought some of the stress on herself, but with Jon's track record of not showing up for the kids or making the best decisions, what if she had relied on him and he not shown? I don't think anyone could say that having all the legal stuff going on wasn't causing stress though.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 4:42 pm
There is a record of Jon not showing up when it was his time for the kids? Really? I read US magazine, and I don't recall reading anything about that. Also, is it on record that Kate did take the kids to counseling? Because the last I heard she had said something to the effect of: if they need counseling, they will get it, but at that time they weren't (and that was during the beginning of the separation and end of filming and all of the nastiness). I really hope she did get them some counseling.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 5:02 pm
perhaps 'the record' isn't the right word, but i do recall reading that while he was traveling with Hailey to France, Hawaii, and Utah he missed some of his visitation times.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 7:03 pm
I hadn't seen anything about that either, Texannie and Brenda. Jon is better off far, far, away from Hailey. That girl is not playing with a full deck. You could truly say Jon jumped out of the fire and into the frying pan with that one, lol.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 10:10 pm
I don't know of a record of Jon showing up or not, or of Kate letting him or not letting him see the kids.. I know, documented, of one time when Jon wouldn't let Kate in the gate on his custody day/night. I know he was with the kids around Easter, documented by the paparazzi. But we don't know what their schedule is, as far as I know.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 2:42 pm
I am tired of Jon and Kate...I wish the 8 could have their own show sans the J and the K.
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