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Sia
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03-10-2002

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 6:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sia a private message Print Post    
Mamie, I totally agree that the girl spitting into the chips can was totally off-putting. I've never heard of excessive salivation being a side-effect of pregnancy. Luckily, I didn't suffer from that!

Did anyone besides me have difficulty understanding the boyfriend in that same episode? He didn't pronounce words clearly at all. I couldn't get over how he slurred his speech!

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 6:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
They did give him subtitles. LOL

Serate
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08-21-2001

Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 11:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Amber Portwood's Baby Now Indiana's Problem

Teen Mom star Amber Portwood's daughter is now a ward of the state of Indiana, meaning her guardianship is determined by a judge and government agency.

It's the latest, most dramatic development yet in the ongoing saga of the MTV star, whose troubled, often violent life has played out on the popular MTV show.

Portwood and former fiance Gary Shirley appeared in an Anderson, Ind., courtroom Tuesday for an emergency child placement hearing concerning Leah.

As the Department of Child Services assesses Leah's living situation, Leah, 2, remains under the state's control, even though she is staying with Shirley.

The Indiana Department of Child Services also supervised Amber Portwood's most recent visit with Leah at Gary's house, taking place Tuesday after court.

Amber Portwood and Gary Shirley declined to comment outside court.

Gary and Amber, whose violent altercations (which are basically one-sided, with him taking the pounding) appeared extremely friendly toward each other.

DCS will monitor Amber's progress in the wake of her felony battery charges, and determine if Gary's home is suitable for Leah to remain in permanently.

DCS has been probing Leah's living situation at Shirley's house and asked for changes that Shirley will comply with, one source close to the matter said.

Under Indiana law, if a child is found to be a "child in need of services" (CHINS) the child then becomes a ward of the state, which happened in this case.

Portwood gave Leah to Shirley recently, believing the toddler would be better off with him right now, given the demons she's battling. It was for the best.

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com
2010/11/amber-portwoods-baby-now-indianas-problem
sorry when I try to link it I get an error no matter what I do

Serate
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08-21-2001

Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 11:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Farrah Abraham Fights For Control of Baby Sophia


It's no Amber Portwood stealing baby Leah, but Teen Mom co-star Farrah Abraham has been in a battle of her own with people trying to take her daughter.

Stormie Clark, the mother of Farrah’s late baby daddy Derek Underwood, had been seeking “grandparent’s rights” in Pottawattamie County (Iowa) Court.

A judge denied her request, keeping Sophia in Farrah's custody. But it was too close for comfort for a young single mom already battling against all odds In order for a judge to have approved this request for visitation, Stormie would have needed to prove she has a pre-existing relationship with baby Sophia.

She does not. If Farrah Abraham were unfit to decide who Sophia should or shouldn’t be around, that would have been grounds as well. Also not the case.

Again, it's no Amber beating up Gary Shirley and getting the cops called, but Farrah’s relationship with Derek’s family is still messy. Keep on keepin' on girl.



http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2010/11/farrah-abraham-battles-for-custody-of-baby-sophia/

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 4:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
This article is saying two different things. At first it says the paternal grandmother is trying to "take" Sophia, but then it states she was asking for "visitation." That's a whole lot different from "taking" and "custody." I can understand since the grandmother has had nothing to do with Farrah & Sophia why she was denied. I wonder if Farrah is still in contact with the sister?

They had a marathon on the other day with episodes from around the beginning and wow! Farrah was terrible with Sophia when she was living with her parents and wanting to go out every night. I'm glad she decided to stop the dating and pay attention to her daughter. Watching later in the season, I thought all of the problem was with her mother since she seems a little "off" to me. Farrah acted like a major brat during those times.

Amber was hitting Gary from early on. I can't believe how different she looks, too. Now I understand why there was a big deal about her weight loss. Gary is no prize, but they said they had been together 4 yrs so there was something there, obviously. God bless little Leia.

Maci has grown a lot since that time. I also understand if it was Ryan's parents who wanted more time with Bentley. I won't go into any details, but I know what it's like to be in their position.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
I caught that too Sue, the visitation vs take Sophia. I had no idea there was a Teen Mom show until after season 2. DVR'd Season 2 and watched it, and I guess sometime this week Season 1 was on cuz I turned on the tv last night had 8 episodes on dvr and I watched a couple last night cuz I couldn't sleep. So I started watching when Farrah moved out and I couldn't get what everybody was saying about how awful she was with Sophia. Watching the first couple of season 1 I am getting a different image of her. When she was on 16 and Pregnant, I thought Farrah acted just like her mom. Sure hope Sophia doesn't act like Farrah and Gramma when she gets older.

Amber, I best keep my mouth shut.

I agree, it is probably Ryan's parents wanting the time withe Bentley, but if it means Bentley will get more time with his dad, I'm all for it. I guess I'm kind of tired of the attitude that a woman births the child so she gets 100% control of the child. Ryan has himself to blame that Maci moved to Nashville. Loose lips sink ships. Tho we are talking about Ryan, maybe he was hoping she would move so he wouldn't get extra custody.

I'm sure all of the mothers love their children, but it sure seems Maci has pretty much had it together as far as being a mom since Bentley was born.

I know Catelyn and Tyler are young, but expecting to know the child's last name and where she lives? Get real! Yes I'm late to the party and ya'll have talked about this, but I was trying not to yell at the tv at 3am when they were going on that they deserved that information.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 11:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I can understand Ryan's parents wanting more time with a baby, but they already had virtually all of his parental time because he just sat on his butt and they took care of Bentley so I wasn't so keen on them egging him on to get more custody, basically so they could have equal time with is mother. I think grandparents need to have time with a kid, but they did already. ?As for Ryan "needing" more time.. he basically did nothing from the beginning, so I can see why Maci hated to give up time she had where she was actually mothering her child and interacting with him.. and when she did date, they included Bentley in their activities.

Ryan and girlfriend seemed to just sit around while his mother cared for Bentley. Oh except when the new gf wanted to sort of put her presence in Maci's face. And Maci seemed to be doing all the transportation too.. never saw Ryan actually drive to pick up his son. Hopefully he will grow into a less zombie like young adult soon.

As for Farrah's babydaddy parents.. I hope they don't win anything after refusing to support her in any way. I'd say if they are to get time with this toddler they never interacted with then maybe they should fork up some past child support too. They basically denied that the child was their son's and she had to pay for the testing which could have been done when he was still living.. thankfully his sister, also a single mom, understood the need.

I also hope that Sophia benefits from the counseling that Farrah and her mom have been getting, which they did seem to be taking seriously. The counselor seems very good to me and even handed too, which can be difficult.
Catelyn and Tyler can wish for whatever and of course whatever was in their contract is what they'd get and that could have included that info.. though it didn't seem to. There are cases where it would indeed include that.

So far the arrangement they DO have seems to be working and their little one just has that much more love in the world. I sure wouldn't include his father or her mother in on the action, though.

I guess they will be including some new Teen Moms from the next seasons of 16 and Pregnant.. not looking forward to seeing any of them again but they could evolve, I suppose.

Amber.. well Leigha is probably better off with Gary. Amber needs to grow up.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 11:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
LOL I know what you mean, Serate! Lord knows what Maci saw in Ryan in the first place, though. He never speaks or he needs an interpreter, too! She has something for guys who speak through their teeth! The new guy Kyle does the same thing. I can barely understand him. Articulate, they are not!

Catelyn & Tyler should have been counseled on what they could and couldn't know before they gave up the baby. Maybe they're just expressing frustration and know they can't know where she lives or her last name. I'm amazed that they have turned out like they have with the parents they grew up with.

Amber - oh boy. I know her "story" all too well.

Yes, the dad gets to see the child more and that's good for him and the child. It was apparent both sides of the family were very close with having Sunday dinners together and helping with Bentley. When you live with a child and take care of them so much, it's very difficult to suddenly not see them much, if at all. If we were talking about a mature couple moving away with their child, it's a whole different situation. You may miss all of them and miss seeing your grandchild, but you know they will be well taken care of.

Sea - I guess the point I'm trying to make is - the more you take care of a child, the more you love them and the harder it is being away from them. We have a situation where we've had some problems like Amber's behavior. Nuff said.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, November 29, 2010 - 1:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think bottom line, Bentley is well loved by many. Wish Amber's daughter had that many on her side.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Monday, November 29, 2010 - 5:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
They basically denied that the child was their son's and she had to pay for the testing which could have been done when he was still living..

I thought the baby daddy died before Sophia was born? So while a test "could" have been done before Sophia was born, Farrah didn't realise the necessity -money wise - until way after Derrick had died.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Monday, November 29, 2010 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
Yes, he did die before Sophia was born. I also think she never told him she was pregnant, but she "thought" he knew?? I think I also heard her mother or both parents advised her not to tell him?? Whether that is true or not, just because your parent advises you, doesn't mean you have to do it. How I wish my kids and their friends/ex's would have taken mine more times than I can remember!

Sea - I was thinking the same thing about poor Leah. It seemed like Gary's mom was involved somewhat, esp. in the early days, as well as Amber's father, but I wish there were stable people who could provide for her and love her.

I think this is all the first season of Teen Mom, T. I was confused about "16 & pregnant" because I thought I had seen some last winter and it turns out they played half of the couples/babies the first time and now this is part two with the rest of the teens. Can someone let us know if they did the same thing with "Teen Mom?"

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Monday, November 29, 2010 - 11:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
I think I remember Ryan bringing Bentley back in his truck or them meeting somewhere. The first time that girlfriend appeared she was in the truck with Ryan when he was returning Bentley. Maci didn't know whether she should go introduce herself or not. Oh course Ryan didn't make any introductions and put both girls in an uncomfortable situation. They may have met when Maci was at the house to get Bentley and they were sitting in the kitchen. The GF was the one to tell Maci that Bentley had hurt himself or something. I'm not quite sure it was that, but something Ryan should have told Maci. I think the GF was gone after that.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Monday, November 29, 2010 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
I think this is all the first season of Teen Mom, T.

There were 2 seasons. I watched the 2nd season first - at least I think I've seen all of them. Then I noticed yesterday that there were 8 more episodes of Teen Mom on our DVR, looked them up and they were all the episodes of the 1st season. Just remember, in reality shows, a season does not = a year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Mom#Episode_list

Serate
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08-21-2001

Monday, November 29, 2010 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
I think I remember Ryan bringing Bentley back in his truck or them meeting somewhere. The first time that girlfriend appeared she was in the truck with Ryan when he was returning Bentley.

I remember both of these too Watching. I think all the transportation was when Maci was going to school and dropping Bentley off for Ryan's parents to watch. No different than going having to take him to daycare. And after she moved to Nashville, they met half way for drop offs. Very common.

The thing with Ryan's girlfriend. You are correct Watching. Maci told Ryan he should have introduced them, Ryan's girlfriend told Ryan he should have introduced them. Both are correct. Ryan should have introduced them.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Monday, November 29, 2010 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
That was a confusing article about Sophia and Farrah - and I too remember how she was going out all the time - she really has grown up -

I wonder if grandma wanted rights After the paternity test gave Sophia SSI benefits? (I know I'm skeptical) oh - and I dont know if Sophia has the SSI survivor benefits, but I thought that was one of the hoops Farrah had to negotiate - proving he was the baby daddy - and for that she needed a dna test... ? so I "went there"

Serate
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08-21-2001

Monday, November 29, 2010 - 5:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Reader I don't think you are skeptical. I think you are spot on. Baby daddy's parents didn't want anything to do with Sophia until AFTER the test results. Plus baby daddy's sister told the lawyer that before she did the dna test she wanted to make sure that the money was used for Sophia not for Farrah to party on. Didn't sound like it was a hecka lot of $ tho.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Monday, November 29, 2010 - 7:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
Thanks T. I'll have to look it up on their site. Actually, it was their site that confused as to which season was which, but I will try again! LOL

To tell you the truth, I can't believe I'm hooked on this show. I have enough drama in my life, but I think watching someone elses helps take my mind off of my own. I just happened to start watching toward the end of the season when I was flipping through channels and then.... ackk..here I am! <I never learn...I never learn... I never learn ......at least when it comes to getting hooked on shows! LOL>

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, November 29, 2010 - 7:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think Farrah's mom advised her not to tell because he had been pretty abusive towards Farrah. Farrah sort of skips over that now that he is dead, so has a more glowing picture of him and how he would have been a great dad. And I was wrong, of course, she couldn't have known he would die so no anticipation possible on the dna. But the child is a couple of years old and all of a sudden AFTER there is proof he was the dad, his parents want to make demands? Hmm.

However I doubt that Farrah or her parents would be all that easy to deal with, but not sure I'd be that easy in that situation either.

Yes for Amber and all.. Amber's dad might have been involved but is dying and doesn't seem present. Gary's mom reportedly takes sides with Gary's brother so when Gary's brother makes demands she throws Gary out (when he lived with her) and was not so supportive. But I'm thinking she probably does have feelings for her grand daughter, hopefully.

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With Sophia, you guys have it as I saw it too.. the sister did the dna test (which was pretty darned conclusive that her father had been correctly identified) and it sounded like Sophia might get something like $200? And at that time the parents of the daddy weren't rushing forward with their dna which would have been even more conclusive. As for the money, it really wasn't up to his family to make that call.. it is the government paying her the same SS benefits any kid would get in those circumstances. Maybe they were scared Farrah would try for child support from them? And party or not, Farrah IS seeming to take good care of her little girl and her parents love her and care for her and Farrah's working AND going to school so she's certainly heading in a good direction, unlike Amber who cannot seem to even study for the GED.

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Ryan did have either the same GF or a new one, featured as part of a cover for one of the tabloids with the taunting caption that Bentley was calling her mom, basically implying that the GF was moving in on Maci in importance. But that WAS a tabloid. And I'm sure the GF liked being in the magazine and the attention, but she and Ryan posed for a picture with Bentley.

Watching, I wonder the same thing, but the shows are put together pretty well so they do catch the interest, even while they can be frustrating.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, November 29, 2010 - 9:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Reader I don't think you are skeptical. I think you are spot on. Baby daddy's parents didn't want anything to do with Sophia until AFTER the test results

I don't see it that way at all. What I see is Farrah speaking/seeing her fiance's sister and that sister probably talks about Sophia to her parents who feel they'd like to be part of her life.

Farrah's mother is a control freak. She discouraged Farrah from telling the father of Sophia she was expecting. She hates the boy's family and therefore has made Farrah shy of dealing with them. I don't know what the grandmother is like, but the aunt is perfectly nice and normal and it would be better for Sophia to know her paternal grandparents.

I feel this is more a war between Farrah's mother and the other grandmother, with Farrah's mother wanting complete control of Sophia. I'm sad that Grandparents visiting rights weren't given to the other grandmother. Farrah doesn't have to leave her for a weekend or anything, but she could take her over there once in awhile.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
While I do believe grandparents should be able to see their grandchildren, I do hold out for skepticism on the part of Derek's family -

but since I havent walked a mile in their shoes, only going on what MTV shows.

I do agree that Farrah's mother has issues, and I am happy they are showing the counseling Farrah and her mother are getting.. yet, when Farrah's mother talked to Dr Drew about the night Derek had the accident, and they (Farrah and her mother) alluded to some violence on Derek's part - I can understand wanting to protect your child, to have a fear for their safety.

I will also say everyone grieves differently and perhaps Derek's parents were in the anger stage with Farrah... (because they could easily feel that Derek isnt violent except when he was around Farrah - who knows the real story, now that he passed away, its all so sad, and a moot point anyway)

Life is complicated.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 9:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
It sure is!

I DO object to the (if true) story of his mother tracking down Sophia who was with a nanny, and then the nanny, with NO permission from Sophia's sole custodian, Farrah, just handed the child to this woman and allowed pictures to be taken! Most caregiving organizations are so careful these days and you have to be on the list, etc. My friend's son has quite a procedure to go through just to pick his son up at daycare (or now it is a program for before and after his regular school day) and he definitely appreciates it that they go through that procedure to keep his son safe.. and there are no "issues" with them like there are with Farrah and Sophia.

My skeptical hairs raise that this child has gained some fame through the show and her mother's participation and suddenly this other grandmother starts making requests/demands.

Rights aren't always the right thing to enforce, just saying. One thing for grandparents to be involved in a helpful way, another for them to want to carve out a slice of the child's time that might also be some of the time the child has with mom. Great for kids to have lots of family, as long as that family isn't fighting over them.

And of course I'm not in their shoes, either.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
I don't see it that way at all. What I see is Farrah speaking/seeing her fiance's sister and that sister probably talks about Sophia to her parents who feel they'd like to be part of her life.

I would agree except for the fact that baby daddy's sister made the comment about the money going for Sophia and not for Farrah. That's akin to non-costodial parents [fathers AND mothers alike] griping that if they pay child support to the custodial parent then the custodial parent should not have nice things or "extras", because if the custodial parent has nice things they are using child support to pay for these things. [OT but giving due to the non-custodial parents, custodial parent should NOT expect non-custodial parent to have to pay more child support just because the non-custodial parent might have something nice.]

IMO, unless one of the parents is a danger to the child, both parents should have 50/50 parenting time [visitation is for prisoners!] or pretty darn close. If one parent decides to move far enough away that 50/50 is impossible, that would be the moving parent's choice to give up 50/50. Kind of what Ryan was saying to Maci, but if he REALLY wanted 50/50 or close to 50/50, he would have kept his mouth shut, and I'm betting the lawyer told him not to mention it. As far as Ryan getting more parenting time then letting his parents take care of Bentley, as long as Bentley is getting taken care of and getting love, that would be Ryan's business.

FWIW for custody purposes, only overnights count in most cases for child support. Doesn't matter how many hours a parent has them.

Do grandparents have rights in the first place? Touchy situation.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 12:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
I DO object to the (if true) story of his mother tracking down Sophia who was with a nanny, and then the nanny, with NO permission from Sophia's sole custodian, Farrah, just handed the child to this woman and allowed pictures to be taken!

Nanny would be fired I were her employer.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 6:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Do grandparents have rights in the first place? Touchy situation.

I do believe grandparents have rights; hence the courts hearing cases on grandparents' rights. Since their son had died, they can't see Sophia unless given visitation. Had he lived, he might have gotten visitation after Sophia was born even though he and Farrah weren't together. In that case, the grandmother would be able to see Sophia when her son had visitation.

The best thing for a child is to know they are loved and a grandparent's love is special. Farrah's mother is not the type who seems to care about how others feel and regardless of how the fiance treated Farrah, a mature person might have empathy and try to see how they would feel were they denied seeing their grandchild.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 12:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
In New York State, grandparents have rights. My grandson's mother said her lawyer told her we could ask for visitation. We're not asking for anything as long as our son gets his parenting time. Sophia would be getting a Social Security Survivor death benefit. It's not a lot of money. It's not like it's anything anyone BUT Sophia (unless he had more kids) could get. It's not like it's money that would go to the family if Sophia doesn't get it.

Did anyone watch "16 and Pregnant?" The girl is from here, although it's a large city with lots of suburbs around it so it's not like I might know her. I just found it interesting when she talked about going to a really bad school in Rochester. Well, most of the CITY schools are terrible. That's why parents move to the suburbs if they possibly can so their kids can go to town schools. They're bad enough with what's going on! That family was just AWFUL to Christinna, esp. his grandmother. I can see wondering and wanting to know about certain things, but there's a way to go about it that's not so nasty. It is too bad he didn't take that scholarship, but that was his choice and she encouraged him to take it and go to college anyway. He's the one who chose not to go and to get married.

I'm going to have to keep an eye on what happens with this girl, mainly because of the "hometown" connection.