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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:12 pm
Sabbatia you got me thinking, good argument 
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:16 pm
Sabbatia, thank you. I don't see much difference between the Roloffs and J & K either. Amy has been pretty snarky to him for a long time, but he recently has turned into a real jerk. I really enjoyed the two boys European trip, but I think the Roloffs get as many perks as Kate and the kids do.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:21 pm
Lazylu, keep on posting! Sabbatia, I'm not sure I can do a good job of explaining the differences I see. Kate's snipping always seemed to be about doing things her way all the time. Nothing Jon did was "right", she always had to correct him, tell him how to do it. I can't even begin to compare the amount of freedom Matt R has compared to Jon. Matt is always off doing his projects! So, the disagreeing or questioning I see Amy do is much different. She has concerns about finances, has to kind of rope Matt in a bit so he doesn't so far overboard, but she still lets Matt be Matt and do his thing. She doesn't emasculate him like Kate did to Jon. It's true, Matt and Amy have hit a rough spot in their marriage, but I still see a lot of respect between the two, even though they are seeing the gulf of differences and not sure how to best proceed. I'm not sure I saw respect between Kate and Jon and there's no acknowledgement of differences. It's Kate's way or NO way.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:27 pm
Yes, the Roloff's do get perks, but they still earn a living. If their TV show ended tomorrow, they wouldn't be scrambling around, boo-hooing on national TV about having to feed the kids. They both have skills, careers that they have continued while the show was on (Amy teaching and coaching, Matt selling the LP step stools, etc). They also have the farm that creates income for them. I also don't get the impression they expect to be at the front of the line every time they go somewhere, or get a backstage pass. There's that entitlement thing that Kate and Jon seem to display, that I don't see with the Roloffs. Remember how embarassed Amy was when Matt used his disability to get them to the front of the line for the Eiffel tower?! Kate wouldn't have gone unless she was guaranteed front of the line in advance. LOL.
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:28 pm
You would think the Roloff's financial advisor would have retirement funds set up in a seperate account that cannot be touched until they are 59 1/2. I do know that when the economy tanked we lost over a half of our retirement funds and we have never recouped that, so maybe that is why Amy is worried. I would also assume J & K lost money at that time too.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 1:04 pm
Thanks to those who explained who the heck the Roloff's are. I have heard of that show, but having never watched it I didn't know their name, or even that they had kids. I thought it just focused on their life a small people in a big world. Do I have it wrong? Not that I really need another show to watch lolol. Let's not talk about losing money and investments. A couple of years ago I thought I was in great shape. Now I seriously can't afford to live. Between my health making me unable to work, so needing to use up the cash I had, and what was supposed to be solid investments now worth a minute fraction of what they were, I'm not sure how I can afford to live let alone ever retire, if I can ever phsyically get back to full time work(seriously). SIGH, scary stuff. Hopefully these folks kept some of the money in cash savings and cash trust accounts for their kids. Plus hopefully the market will rebound well before any of these kids are due their cuts, and if they were good investments hopefully some of them will come back.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 1:24 pm
(Lurk, LPBW more focuses on the Roloffs as a family. Since both parents are Little People (and one of the twins is too), Little People things (like conventions) and perspectives and realities just naturally are a part of life for them. I have never figured out why this show isn't boring to me. I think it should be! lol! But it isn't. I really like the show and love the family! Quite a bit about their lives (as opposed to them going on trips) is shown. It is my favorite of all the reality shows about families.) J&K+8 (the show) became so much about trips or special guests (like the motorcycle guys and the solar panel installation crew) at their house. It was not as interesting to me as the earlier episodes.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 1:49 pm
Yes, what happy mom said. The Roloff family is just far more interesting. We see many different aspects of their life and the kid's lives. We saw them interact with other people and cried with them when they lost a dear friend. We saw their house remodel go over bugdet and over time. We saw medical issues and family issues, real ones. It just feels more real, less staged than the dog and pony show of freebies that Kate and Jon turned into. It doesn't feel like "okay, let's do this now for the cameras" like Jon and Kate does. The Roloffs mostly go about their lives and the camera follows. Which reminds me, new episode should be on tonight.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 4:28 pm
The show IS interesting....and we've seen a lot over the years. I watch it every week. BUT I'm not talking about the show in general, or the freebies or that stuff. I'm talking about the husband and wife relationship...which is what soooo many people say their problem with Kate is. Maybe it's because it hasn't always been as bad as it is now that we excuse it with Amy, but last season and this one, I'm seeing a LOT of anger from her, and a lot of passive agression from him. Yes, we saw them in their better days, but it has REALLY gotten ugly lately, and it seems like the kids are taking sides. Maybe it's because Amy is more likeable in general that she can get by with things that were horrible when Kate did it....I don't know.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 4:35 pm
I tried to explain above why I see it as different. Matt and Amy argue about very real important things, like last week with the LP athletic assoc and how Matt didn't want to work them and Amy wanted to keep them involved with the soccer trip due to her being on the board and seeing the associ as an important partner. They were both angry and frustrated over something that was very real, very big. Whereas with Kate, it was her scolding him and raking him over the coals for using a pink hair scrunchy, when you're supposed to save the pink ones! Or scolding him in the store because he did exactly what she told him, stay put, but then when she wanted him near her he didn't read her mind or hear her and obey him. I really see Matt and Amy as more of a partnership, even though it doesn't always work great, I still see them as equals. For Kate and Jon, Kate always had to be the boss, with Jon doing what Kate wanted, how she wanted, or he'd be scolded back into line. I didn't see the give and take of a partnership.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 7:16 pm
Actually Matt Roloff did exactly that in Paris so they could go up the Eiffel Tower.. he pulled the handicapped card. Amy wasn't wanting to do that at all. The Roloffs have travelled widely and handsomely with their show. Amy stopped teaching several seasons ago and isn't coaching anymore either because her boys grew out of that league. But Amy is speaking all over, motivational stuff and has her own charity going. I don't think Matt's step ladder business is exactly supporting anyone and he lost a key employee in Mike Detloff when he died Lately we've only seen Matt spending money. But the Roloffs have had years longer to hopefully build up savings and equity, hopefully. But of course the question was is being on reality TV harmful to children or only children of a family some don't like? In all cases lives are being acted out on camera.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, May 03, 2010 - 7:27 pm
Yes, at 12:27 I said that Matt used his disability to get into the front of the line. Amy would have been fine with skipping the Eiffel tower all together! Kate, well, she wouldn't have even been there if her front of the line wasn't guaranteed from the get-go. I've not been in the "kids don't belong on TV camp" at all. I dislike Kate because of how she behaves, not because she has her kids on TV. I think Matt has investment properties and the income from the farm events. Kate and Jon seemed to put nearly all of their eggs into one basket: filming the kids. Recently Kate has been branching out and while I don't want to see her on my TV, I am completely behind her fulfilling her career desires (just wish she'd lay off the 'have to feed my kids' crap).
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Kellsma
Member
08-27-2002
| Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 7:36 am
I always compared this show to TAble for 12, the Haye's family. I was always amazed at how differently that family acted from Jon and Kate. They have sextuplets about the same age as the Gosselins plus two older sets of twins. The older kids are amazing and very helpful, teh couple are wonderful with each other and support each other greatly and laugh at silly things, no one has to wear matching clothes, etc and Betty has a handicapped daughter in the midst of all the chaos and just seems so much more relaxed. I love this family and hope we see more of them but also don't want to see them change. Just much more refreshing and it was always quite a contrast to Jon and Kate when both shows were on.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 8:12 am
I wonder if we had seen the Haye's family when their 6 were infants if the interactions would have been different? We started their show when the kids were more self sufficient. I think all marriages are different. I have friends who bicker constanting back and forth, but have been married 30+ years and are crazy about one another. I have other friends who from the outside looked like they treated each other with great respect, but had horrible communciation and a horrible relationship.
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 8:36 am
As cute as I think the Gosselin 6 are I wonder if they will be as adorable and/or interesting as 11 year olds.And if they last that long. which I truly doubt I so want to see Maddy as a teen.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 9:48 am
I think all marriages are different. I have friends who bicker constanting back and forth, but have been married 30+ years and are crazy about one another. That's me and my DH. Nothing serious, but constant razzing. Crazy about eachother. Also, it's ok to dislike Kate for no good reason. Be it her hair, personality, body language, whatever. I dislike Jon, for both good and bad reasons.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 10:30 am
Slightly off topic, 9 by design might be of interest to any that liked Jon and Kate. I started watching it recently because it was mentioned on this board and it is alot of fun. Wish we had a thread on this show.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 11:09 am
If there isn't one already, you're welcome to start a thread for it, Shenanagon. 
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 11:42 am
Escapee.. I know our meeting was brief but you really do have an adorable family.. not that it makes you all picture perfect but you seemed very real and very together. Anyone not wanting to see 11 or teenaged Gosselins, can opt out and those who want to can opt in, IF there is even a show at that point. On LP Big World we've seen teens and also Jacob going through less than appealing phases but it still draws me in. It isn't all about cute but about interaction and watching kids grow and such for me. Glad there ARE different families on TV.. the Hayes "humor" was just irritating to me but I can see how many people would enjoy them. I like LP BW but the Little Chocolatiers, not at all. As for financial stuff.. Roloffs had some years of favorable economy to grow their nest eggs, Gosselins, not so much. We didn't see the younger years of Roloffs to know what happened there. apples and oranges for me.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 1:50 pm
link It was the sextuplets 6th birthday yesterday. Also, apparently, Jon has a new girlfriend.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 1:53 pm
Kate Plus 8, premieres June 6 on TLC. J&K together for the kids' birthday. link
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 3:13 pm
Do you suppose all the public drama between Kate and Jon is now over?
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 6:34 pm
but if the drama was over, why would anyone watch the shows? (tongue firmly planted in cheek - as the more drama the more ratings, even tho we post often esp in Housewife threads how we are tired of the drama)
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 7:19 pm
Maybe people who watch pandacam and eagle came and africam.. well sometimes africam has drama like when the lions made a kill near the cam so that the sounds were live and then ate the kill on cam, but other times people spend hours watching a pond. I can enjoy non-acrimonious viewing..
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Friday, May 14, 2010 - 8:30 am
I spend hours watching pregnant mares...waiting for them to foal. It's calming. I think since Jon's contract is up, he's going to start up again trying to get attention.....especially after the show starts.
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