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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 2:33 pm
Shoot. I recorded the program, but I've already dumped it. 
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 2:35 pm
Cricket, I think Christine Marie was on her paternal grandmother's side, but that's only from the brief mental snapshot I have of the scroll she was presented with at the beginning of the show.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 2:39 pm
I have some contact with some cousins. Of five grandchildren on my mother's side, I'm the oldest. Of 20 on my father's side, I'm the youngest. Some of my cousins are really old. (!!!) Something sort of related to geneology. I have a photo of my Dad in Cheltenham, England during WWII. For a while he was billeted in a private home there. Photo is of the homeowners and my Dad is holding their infant son. I wasn't totally without info about the people in the picture. So with the help of the internet, a few years ago I made contact with that infant. He's just a few years older than me.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 5:23 pm
I missed this episode with Brooke.
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Aurora
Member
11-24-2006
| Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 5:59 pm
You can watch it online, Twiggyish. http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/bios/brookeS.shtml?sssdmh=dm13.241427&o_iid=43282&o_lid=43282
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Riviere
Member
09-09-2000
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 1:40 am
Finally got to watch the Brooke Shields episode! Yes, her father's line was traced back to Italy and France nobility. Her mother's line was more obscure. That's usually how it goes in genealogy where an "important line" marries into an unknown family making us "mutts" of lopsided heritage... She was very intuitive to have studied French but also in awe of the royal links, she reminded me of myself not jumping up & down to learn she had nobility ~ but quietly digest it. True, she has few kin to share with but I'm an orphan who just wanted to know my ancestry, curiosity? It is always good for distant cousins and their own descendants to start... Wish the show went on forever ~ family trees never end!
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 2:23 am
What is the difference between a cousin once removed and a second cousin? What would be a fifth cousin? These terms always confuse me.
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Aurora
Member
11-24-2006
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 6:17 am
A cousin once removed is children of cousins. A second cousin is what you call children of your cousin. Fifth cousins share the same great-great-great-great grandparents as you. http://www.genealogy.com/16_cousn.html
My mother was a real stickler about this. So many people use the terms incorrectly that I've given up trying to explain the difference in the real world. I'm happy for the chance to explain it here. 
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 6:35 am
Aurora, isn't this: A cousin once removed is children of cousins. A second cousin is what you call children of your cousin. saying that both a cousin once removed AND a second cousin are the same thing?? A cousin once removed is children of cousins. A second cousin is what you call children of your cousin.
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Aurora
Member
11-24-2006
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 6:47 am
Look at it like this. Your children and the children of your brothers and sisters are cousins once removed. They share the same grandparents. You and your cousins share the same great grandparents, so you are second cousin. The words "once removed" mean that there is a difference of one generation. For example, your mother's first cousin is your first cousin, once removed. This is because your mother's first cousin is one generation younger than your grandparents and you are two generations younger than your grandparents. This one-generation difference equals "once removed".
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Rissa
Member
03-19-2006
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 7:27 am
Didn't enjoy this one (Shields). I love the stories and the emotional connections. Just listing off a bunch of famous kin does nothing for me.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 7:51 am
A cousin once removed is children of cousins. A second cousin is what you call children of your cousin. Fifth cousins share the same great-great-great-great grandparents as you. I think Aurora's first explanation is simpler. Cousins once removed is the relationship between children of cousins (first cousins). Second cousins is the relationship between you and your parents' cousins or you and children of your cousins. (That's how I'm related to Greg Mortenson, author and subject of the books "Three Cups of Tea" and "Stones Into Schools" and nominee for 2009 Nobel Peace Prize.)
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 9:55 am
I thoroughly enjoyed Brook's episode. Imagine have a 'great' born in the Louvre...and all those beautiful buildings that belonged to her ancesters. Wow!
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 10:42 am
Your 1st cousin had a child. That child is your first cousin once removed. If that child has a child that is your 1st cousin 2x (2 generations) removed. You have a child and your cousin has a child - those two children are second cousins. If those two children have children, their children are 3rd cousins.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 11:11 am
I didn't know that we would have to do math with this show! 
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Chieko
Member
11-20-2003
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 12:07 pm
GAL's explanation is right! Children of siblings are first cousins, their children are second cousins to each other, the children of the second cousins are third cousins to each other, ect. And the explanation of "removed" is correct that it is a difference in generations. My mother's first cousin is my first cousin once removed, and on we go.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 1:03 pm
Cricket, I think Christine Marie was on her paternal grandmother's side, but that's only from the brief mental snapshot I have of the scroll she was presented with at the beginning of the show. Thanks, Goddess. It was very hard to see with the brief shot they gave of the lineage. It would seem then that Brooke does indeed come from French ancestry.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 3:43 pm
I think I understand..LOL In my family, my daughter calls my first cousins aunts and they introduce her as a niece. I know it confuses people, but my cousins and I were raised like sisters.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 6:08 pm
Growing up I remember being confused about my family relationships because my parents cousins and family friends were called aunt and uncle. I've always tried to steer away from that with my cousins kids and my friends kids to avoid passing on the confusion (although the natural tendency of the cousins' kids is to call me aunt). The southern "Miss" or "Mr." First Name is a nice in-between that shows respect for elders without a relational designation.
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Riviere
Member
09-09-2000
| Monday, April 05, 2010 - 6:51 am
Same here, my Mom wanted me to call her own dear First Cousins, my Aunts or Uncles... They were my First Cousins, once removed though... Their children were my 2nd cousins since we shared the grandparents... My hubby's mother insisted that her kids call Family Friends a more familiar name, too. Very confusing!!! Some of genealogy programs have a 'built in' calculator ~ handy! I was not too surprised to see the woman marrying my uncle was my Mom's 4th cousin making her dau my 5th cousin. I simply knew her as Aunt Betty per the marriage to Dad'a uncle... The lines never merged until I was borm and had to sort it all out! The gal I stay in touch with now is my 1st cousin once removed on Dad's side and 5th cousin on Mom's side because inlaws frequently married in those days! I say good ~ it is less work tracing a family tree whose main branches twist right back in like a pretzel. Our common ancestor of that line was born in 1700s NJ but as usual ~ nobody kept notes...
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Monday, April 05, 2010 - 9:15 am
So my first cousins kids are my... what?
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Monday, April 05, 2010 - 9:49 am
First cousins once removed LOL.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Monday, April 05, 2010 - 10:23 am
Thanks GAL! I find the whole thing way too confusing.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 8:38 am
In news of the "It's a Small World" vein, I had scheduled an interview of a WWII veteran for a Veteran's Remember project yesterday. To surprise him with a "thank you" gift for discussing his experiences (which were awesome, he was in the Battle of the Bulge and the push to Berlin, helped free and return home prisoners from a concentration camp, he even had photos of the children they pulled out of the camp), I did some genealogical research hoping to find a Revolutionary War veteran in his background to surprise him with. Well, I did in fact find that, and also found out that he and I are cousins - his 7th great grandfather is also my 8th great-grandfather. What a charmed visit we had. This kind of weird happenstance occurs ALL THE TIME in genealogy.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 9:17 am
Yesterday morning I saw a bumper sticker that reminded me of all of you. It said: Genealogists Collect Dead Relatives I thought it was cute because the first thing you see is the second line - shocking. 
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