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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 8:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Wow.. sounds like Old Testament scary stuff..

Kar, he is theoretically a grown up.

Brenda1966
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07-02-2002

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 8:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Sometimes one parent can make it so difficult, draining, impossible for the other parent to see the kids and have good, quality time with them that the parent loses interest and walks away (sometimes out of self preservation). I've seen it happen a few times -- both with men walking away from their kids and with women doing it. Not saying it's right or why Jon seems to have less and less to do with them, but it could be a factor.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 8:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
There aren't any tape recordings to prove one way or another whether Kate made Jon go live in the apartment above the garage (or now I'm seeing it was an attic...see, no facts), or whether he chose to move out of the main house.

What we did hear, is that while Kate was on book tours, Jon was entertaining a babysitter in the apartment above the garage while the children slept. So that's a stellar Dad? It doesn't matter a lick why he was not living in the house, the fact is, he was being a big ass.

Brenda1966
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07-02-2002

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 8:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
If I had to live with Kate, I'd be a big ass too. Really.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 8:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Whether it is the man or the woman who is domineering, the other person is responsible for their own actions. Hell would freeze over before I let my partner (if I had one and if I had kids) turn me into some sort of milquetoast. It doesn't forgive his actions once the marriage was faltering.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 9:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
IMO, it doesn't matter how bad Kate was (or was not). It is NEVER an excuse to be a lousy parent. You chose that person to marry, you brought those children into the world, grow up and deal with it.

And yes, ex's can make your life miserable, and mine does. But I have NEVER EVER thought of abandoning my child. I would walk thru fire for him, and that's how it should be. There's just no excuse for Jon's behavior. None.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 9:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think many of these comments are a testament to how remarkably unlikable Kate has appeared both in her public appearances and on the show.

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 9:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
I don't think anyone disagrees that Jon acted very bad and true there is no excuse for it, but in a way I sort of understand that I think he just sort of broke from what I saw as abuse to him. No matter what anyone says, I think we just have to agree to disagree, because we all have opinions and we all feel we are right, I know I do and I feel he just snapped. I just hope that the kids get the help they need and both parents start working together for the sake of them. Not saying they should get back together, but they need to stop bashing each other in front of the kids, those kids should never have been put in the middle of it.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 9:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I respectfully disagree. Some people may see her that way, but I don't find her unlikable. I do find Jon hard to like. :-)

Kate was unkind to Jon several times during the show. But in her public appearances, I found her to take the high road far more frequently than he did.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 10:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't really "know" Kate well enough to like or dislike her. I've only watched a few of her shows and I did watch her on DWTS where she was clearly out of her comfort zone.

But it seems pretty evident that her behavior on these shows has led to a lot of anti-Kate feelings.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 12:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
From what I saw of Jon and Kate, I would have been much harsher to him than Kate if I had the misfortune to be married to someone like Jon. She became the parent in the relationship. Kate might have told him "it's over" but we don't know what the first half of the sentence was. It could have been:

The drinking hasn't stopped so it is over
The hanging out in bars hasn't stopped so it is over.
The smoking hasn't stopped so it is over.

Jon was a playmate to the kids, not a parent. When he finally tired of playing, he was quite harsh with those kids.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 6:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
"""It's all very sad. I remember so clearly Jon having fun with the kids and the kids adoring playing with dad. I always felt the love from him toward his kids. Like most divorces it's often the kids that pay the ultimate price. No daddy around on a regular basis. Future parents be warned!!

11 nannies let go or quit.....yikes! That says something, I don't know what but it's evident that that household is in a lot of upheaval.

I haven't watched anything Gosselin in ages, probably since the divorce show, last year?

Most private schools that I know of take tedious care to keep their students. It's shocking that so many children from one family aren't welcomed their anymore.

It's not too late to make their children a priority, I hope that's what Jon and Kate are doing as I type this.

Jon and Kate along with gigantic help from TLC basically made these kids lives less happy than it could have been.

I hope to never see Kate again on my TV screen again. I'm sure there is enough $$$ in the bank that Kate can take time out and rebuild this family and includes Jon. Not that they get back together but that they are on the same page trying to fix what is making some of the kids act out.

Until Jon and Kate make amends I don't hold out much hope that the kids can have a happy childhood."""

I couldn't have said it better.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 8:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
From usatoday.com: Dec 01, 2010
Kate Gosselin: Kids not expelled, Jon is 'forgiven'
08:59 AM
Kate Gosselin wants us to know that everything is "wonderful" in her family. "We are doing wonderfully," she said on the Today show this morning, where she showed up to "set the record straight," said Meredith Vieira.

She wanted to clear up reports that two of her sextuplets, Collin and Alexis, 6, had been expelled from their private school in Pennsylvania. (She'd already cleared it up last week to Entertainment Tonight, but apparently she felt the need to do it again.)

"They were not expelled from school," she said this morning, then explained:

"We have a situation where the kids are in an academically excelling school, where academics are pushed, and I fully support it, combined with kids who, having just gone through a divorce, (are) suffering normal feelings, and the two collided, and they just were not doing well with the combination."

What exactly where they doing? "They were having anger issues, acting out, having behavior things," said Kate, who added that at first she was worried. "I felt very alone. (But) it's very normal, normal stuff."

She says she and the school "mutually agreed" to take them out. "I brought them home. I have them with a private tutor, an early education teacher, and she's teaching them one-on-one, and they are excelling. Along with weekly therapy. My kids are back. They're happy. They're functioning, and all is well again."

She plans to "get them back in school" next year after "giving them this time to take the pressure off a little bit and focus on schooling, and also dealing with the very normal results of divorce."

As for the rest of the kids? They are "excelling at school and at home and doing everything wonderfully." She adds, "I knew going into a divorce to watch for stuff. It will happen. This is not abnormal. At all."

She expects and hopes the holidays will be "peaceful" with her ex, Jon.

When asked if she had accepted an apology he posted on Twitter last month, Kate replied: "I have never personally been apologized to. I don't really consider an interview on TV or in a tabloid as an apology, unfortunately. But I have, strangely and ironically, forgiven him for the sake of our kids. I'm hurt and angry, but what good does it do to live that way? I'm pushing ahead and providing a future for my kids. I don't have time to waste sitting around being upset."

And the TLC special series? "No," it's not canceled.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 8:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Oh good, glad to see they are "normal, normal..."

Brenda1966
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07-02-2002

Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 11:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I don't see anything "normal" about a private school, that relies on your tuition $$$$$, thinking keeping your kids at home for school is a good idea! Am glad to know about the "weekly therapy" and hope it's not just for the 2 kids in trouble, but for all of the kids.

Pippin04
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10-26-2007

Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 7:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pippin04 a private message Print Post    
My daughter went to private school. The school went out of thier way to make sure that the girls had support when bad things happend in thier lives. Anytime the school says it is mutually agreed that a child should leave. It means they do not want it on the record that they expell children they cannot help anymore. This happend twice at my daughters school in the 10 years she attended there.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
It means they do not want it on the record that they expell children they cannot help anymore.

That sounds about right...

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
FWIW, it is *normal* for children in divorce to have anger issues. VERY normal.

And it is not unusual for kids that are struggling to step out of school for a time while they deal with the emotional issues - on an "agreement" between the school and the parents. The son of my friend who is dying also has taken leave from school and the school is supplying a tutor for him during this time.

In dealing with troubled children, I see this all the time, and see nothing subservise about it. Almost all the chidren eventually return, when they are better able to cope.

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
Has this lady ever taken responsibility for anything that has gone wrong or is everything everyone else's fault because she is so perfect.....what a bunch of hooey!!!!!

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I don't see her blaming anyone else in that article.

Holly
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07-21-2001

Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 11:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
What does she have to be "hurt and angry" about, pray tell.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
How about, just for starters, his galavanting around with younger women, in bars, when he's a dad?

How about taking money that wasn't his out of their joint account, that the judge had to order to be returned?

How about a frivolous custody suit that he didn't really mean, causing more disruption for those poor children?

People in divorces ARE hurt and angry on both sides. And clearly *Jon* thinks he behaved badly, badly enough to publish an apology on Twitter. If he ADMITS he did wrong, why wouldn't Kate be "hurt and angry?" Honestly.

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
And I guess Kate did nothing to contribute to that? Yes, he was wrong, but Kate kicked him to the curb way before he started any of that. She used him till she got the fame and fortune she needed and the kids were old enough to pretty much take care of themselves which he always did and I also remember her saying that she would never have a nanny take care of the kids, that was her job, but I think she meant she had Jon to do that. And at least he apologized to her, I don't think I ever heard her say she was sorry for the very poor way she treated him through the years. I guess we have to agree to disagree.

Brenda1966
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07-02-2002

Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 1:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I have never personally been apologized to

Indeed. One has to wonder if she ever offered up a sincere personal apology of her own?

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Having a nanny(ies) allows her to make money to support her children, something she cannot count on from their father.

"And at least he apologized to her"...According to Kate, Jon did not apologize to her.

I would feel hurt and angry if my husband were out at bars with other women while married to me. I would feel hurt and angry if my husband, while I was out of town for work, had other women around my children, women that he hadn't known for long...whether we were married or separated.

If my ex moved far away from our kids, as Jon did, I would hurt for the kids and be angry at him for hurting the father-child relationships.