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Shenanagon
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07-28-2009
| Friday, May 21, 2010 - 2:10 pm
Yanno Lil I agree with you but from Kelly's Twitter comments she's either not receiving help or not benefitting from it. Either way I'm hoping we don't see her next season. It's not the sort of behavior I personally feel should be filmed, mainly for her kids sake and her own and the other women who have to interact with her.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, May 21, 2010 - 2:45 pm
Jill on the Doctors show - talking about her parenting book- helicopter parents - like people now send kids out with helmets, knee pads, elbow pads hand pads. whats wrong with letting a kid get scraped up? I am self modding... I get there is a problem with helicopter parents, and parents that stand up so strong for their kids, that older kids dont have a clue how to advocate for themselves, or take care of themselves, or even balance their own budgets... but come on isnt that a FAR cry from having a kid putting on protection for sports? (roller blading, biking etc)
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Oliviamimi
Member
05-30-2009
| Friday, May 21, 2010 - 2:53 pm
What made me tear up was when the women were talking around Kelly and several made the comment that she was damaged, or crazy etc. Kelly didn't even flinch. It was as if she accepted what they said. Honestly am praying for this woman. I am mad as H*** that Bravo allowed this to escalate and then showed it. I think they have exploited a very fragile person. I also feel dirty for having watched it. As disgusting as I find that behavior I want her to get help.
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Oliviamimi
Member
05-30-2009
| Friday, May 21, 2010 - 2:56 pm
Reader I 100 % agree with you. Children need to wear head protection when sporting.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 8:45 am
I agree with a point Prisoner made up thread a bit. Why must we find some mental illness or drug abuse to explain Kelly?? Some people are just weird, or behave differently than us, or aren't the sharpest and so on. Why must it be something justafiable or that we can label? If this was real life and (God forbid) I had Kelly living on one side of me, and Bethanny on another, I can honestly say I'd listen at my door to make sure NEITHER was in the hallway and try to run in and out without having to ever deal with EITHER of them! Neither is anything like anyone I would want to associate with. BOTH are mean girls. They are now ALL mean girls (with Alex slightly less so). I don't like mean girls. I certainly don't choose to associate w/them! BTW Olivia I don't think that Kelly is so damaged or ill she didn't flinch. I think she truly doesn't care what they say or think about her. After all...she is WAYYYY up there, and everyone else is WAYYYY down there! I think that is all there is to it.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 8:51 am
Reader, while I most certainly think things like protective padding and helmets etc are a great resource, I don't disagree with any of the rest of it. How in the word did we all grow up safe, sane, mostly logical etc. We were allowed to play outside without friends. We used creativity to invent games. We ate bugs and nuts and unhealthy food and drink and so on. Reminds me of an email that made the rounds a few years back. Wish I had it to quote it. I've seen my cousins and my friends kids. Even the best of them (with ONLY 1 exception), expects everything handed to them. They are spoiled rotten, live on take out and convience food, have no clue about the sense of worth and value and on and on. It terrifies me to be honest. I'm really not sure what we traded off has been to anyone, or this civilization's, betterment!
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Oliviamimi
Member
05-30-2009
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 10:15 am
I know this is so off topic, but..... I have taught preschool now for over 20 years. The changes I have seen in children, the parents etc. are unbelievable. The parents are no longer parents to their children, they want to be their friends. They make excuses for their children's behavior and give them anything and everything they want. These same children are so over protected, so over scheduled and so dependent on Tv, computer and media entertainment that they have lost their imagination and creativity. When I take my class outside they are bored and constantly ask to go back inside. I do worry. It is a trend that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon. It is a double edge sword. I know it is a dangerous world outside but somehow we must find a way to give our children some freedom to blossom and become strong. Okay off my soapbox! Back to Kelly. Many news/magazine sites are reporting on her breakdown. Several are saying that it was much worse than what we saw on TV. They actually removed her in the middle of the night. I am assuming to calm her and get her some help. I saw once site explain that it had become a dangerous situation. So hoping to hear more on this.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 10:16 am
exactly Lurk, I was agreeing with THAT point, however Jill was saying in her book and brought up helmets and pads as a reference point to spoiling kids - that's why I got off on a high horse!! and I will say some schools ARE trying to get recess back - and some play areas are set up for kids to figure out how to socialize - and I will say that as hard as it is for me as a mom - I do let my 13 yr DD ride her bike without a helmet, and go by herself to meet up with friends at the park (but just so she doesnt know, sometimes I may happen to take a walk to the park, or stop at Starbucks - not necessarily checking up on her.. ok totally checking up on her - but I want her to know if she says she's going to be at Starbucks, she better be at Starbucks!!) but Jill's advice was odd imho... now I havent read her book, and maybe that part she didnt write so she didnt quote it correctly!! But I do know she didnt invent the helicopter parent word - that's been around for at least 4 - 5 years (a teacher accused me of it with my hearing impaired son - I begged to differ - advocating for special needs vs helicopter parent world of difference!! I mean really some college kids text pictures of their outfits to their MOMS! I sent mine away to camp for 3 months - they figured out a lot of stuff!!)
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 11:29 am
Several are saying that it was much worse than what we saw on TV. They actually removed her in the middle of the night. I am assuming to calm her and get her some help. I saw once site explain that it had become a dangerous situation. So hoping to hear more on this. Wow, Oliviamimi. Just Wow! I've read blogs that say it was worse and I was wondering how it could be worse and the producers did nothing. I'm glad they finally took her, but how sad this nice party on this gorgeous yacht was ruined for everyone by Kelly. I guess I should feel more sorry for Kelly, but something went wrong somewhere. When Ramona was trying to apologize to Bethenney about her harsh words on the bridge, Kelly was sitting there saying, "What bridge...what...I don't know about this." It's as if she thinks every single conversation is directed at her. Does she think she must know about everything or they are against her? What is going on in her mind? Re the small children, you are so right about how parenting has changed. It's all about keeping them entertained instead of letting them use their own imagination.
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Oliviamimi
Member
05-30-2009
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 11:52 am
Cricket I keep thinking of Ramona and what she has said in her diary sessions. On more than one occasion she has stated that Kelly does well one on one but in a group setting is when she seems to lose focus and overload, etc. I thought that perhaps this was Ramona's hint as to what the problem is. Maybe she is not allowed to say what the problem is but can actually throw a few hints as to that fact?
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 12:31 pm
Myself and others have speculated that Kelly may have a serious mental illness because her behavior was so paranoid and disturbing. It wasn't the usual "upset or mean" behavior. It was odd in a very disturbing way. Many on twitter have lashed out at Bravo for filming a person having a seeming nervous breakdown because it's a dark side to reality tv that many of us, myself included, don't want to see. It's the ugly side of reality television that up to this point I personally have never seen, to this extent anyway. It was off the charts bizarre. Hope that explains why I and others have commented on why Kelly's behavior brought up the topic of her possibly having something serious going on.
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 12:58 pm
protecting children? When I was 4 and my sister was 7, my parents used to send us a mile away to pick blackberries by the (working) railroad tracks. All the neighborhood kids were thrown outside and we used to be a huge group that played together in our yards and in the garbage dump a couple of blocks away - we used to chase rats and snakes, heh. So, yeah, kids are a bit more protected now. Sometimes a little too overprotected, sometimes not. A friend of mine was run over by a truck in first grade while walking home, most of us survived walking home and another friend broke his neck diving into a reservoir on a hot day, not looking first. Today, many spend too much time indoors, but then again, so do I. I agree Kelly's breakdown was serious and not particularly mockable. I am glad they got her some help, I can see where the other women would be frightened to have her there with the vampire and knife tongue remarks.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 2:04 pm
Well, I've heard nothing about a breakdown or folks carting her off, but I haven't really looked for info either. Was this on the yacht or elsewhere? And I'm not saying she MAY not have issues. I just think that we have to allow for the fact that some folks are just "odd" and say and do what some of us would consider unusual. I hate to judge anyone, either way, based on what we are seeing on a show that is known to edit with a slant as they want it (ala most reality TV shows). After all, how often on BB do those of us watching on the feeds see a TOTALLY different person/story etc than what is shown on the TV show? And I think they have to try to keep it somewhat similar cause too many know. But imagine when a show has no way to know what truth in off camera moments? I would think it would be MUCH worse.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 3:16 pm
Oliviamimi, is Ramona's blog on Bravo as well? For some reason, I haven't read hers. Lurk, there are some previews that say Kelly is no longer on the boat, so it fits that the producers finally took her off. Something came to mind just now. Kelly called Jill and ranted about her fear and bad dreams about Bethenney. Jill has become like a mother to Kelly. Could she be angry at Kelly for Jill as well as herself? I hope Jill learns a valuable life lesson from how she acted towards Bethenney. Look at all the drama and problems it's caused with these women who have to be together at times.
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Oliviamimi
Member
05-30-2009
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 3:36 pm
It was also mentioned on Theresa's blog from RHNJ. She said that she talked with the women immediately after the vacation and that they were all upset and tightlipped about everything that had happened. I still can't find where I saw that Bravo removed her in the middle of the night. Maybe she removed herself? I might have read it under Bravo message boards. There are over 200 pages there. I am not sure how to scan that for content.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 4:04 pm
well Lurk I'm not judging anyone I'm reacting to a completely psychotic crazy hour of a reality personality, as is the mass majority of reality webjournalist so I feel in good company. The producers can't edit in crazy behavior and this was OFF THE CHARTS. The main concensus has been why did Bravo let this escalate. THAT has been the hot topic. I feel in good company when I say that no one wanted to see Kelly fall to pieces whether you as a fan liked her or not. It was shattering.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 4:27 pm
Shen I don't think you are getting my point. Some people are just outright odd and say bizarre things. I'm not saying I like Kelly, I'm saying I'm not convinced she has mental or drug issues. She could (and I say could not does) have a weird personality. I'm not out to say I'm right or wrong, and no disrespect, I don't care how many online folks are posting she had some psychotic break. We weren't there, we have never met her, we don't know what she is like, what she finds funny, how she normally acts etc. Sure she was off the wall to me. But personally unless she is diagnosed by a medical pro after many private session, I don't see how anyone can say what she is or isn't in terms of mental issue. That's my point!
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Oliviamimi
Member
05-30-2009
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 4:38 pm
I spose next week will clue us all in. According to some next week is even crazier. I don't see how in this world it could be. Years ago I had a neighbor who had a father with tourettes. I only talked with him a handful of times over the course of 5 years. He displayed odd facial features that reminded me of Kelly's grimace and he also would repeat the same saying over and over. He would say, "Okay with you my dear" anytime in a conversation or just on his own, over and over. He was emotional and would cry over very little. I am trying to work this out in my mind! My way of worrying. I try to figure things out. There may be nothing wrong with her but my money is on some sort of problem.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 5:32 pm
I just finished watching this past show and I have no words. I won't diagnose Kelly and/or her behavior without actually knowing her. But there is a real disconnect somewhere. And sorry people, but I blame the viewers for Bravo's airing this show. I've said for sometime now that it's not enjoyable to watch the type of drama that has been going on this season, however this season has been highly rated and therefore, based on numbers, Bravo will continue to show this type of behavior. The only thing I *will* comment on is Jill. She was invited to the bachelorette party. She didn't show up. I'm sure rooms have been allocated and events planned without her. And THEN she decides to show up. Unannounced? Ms Zarin needs to read "The Countess's" book on etiquette, because that is so far outside the realm of good manners that it's laughable.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 6:00 pm
I don't think it is 'normal weirdness' to have the kind of break with reality that Kelly had. I agree that there are plenty of odd people in the world. But my non-professional opinion is that there is something organically wrong with Kelly's brain.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 7:15 pm
Ok, in fairness I have only seen the first half of the show, but I just HAD to make one comment. When they were eating breakfast (in that STUNNING house), Bethanny went at Kelly like a yappy, vicious dog. That was my thought at the time. So when she later said that Kelly was like a rottweiler, I literally loled. So this is what I don't get. Bethanny keeps saying she wants nothing to do with Kelly. That she thinks she is crazy and mean etc. So why poke the hornet's nest with a stick??? I can't help but question how much of this B brought on herself. Sure Kelly had been rude and superior, but it was only after B went at her like that, that she went off. So while yes, I wish Kelly had been adult enough to just grab a book and walk away, I don't find it fair that Bethanny isn't getting any of the blame here. She is big on creating a situation then saying how much she doesn't want to be in said situation IMHO. So I don't know how much worse it will get, but so far I think they are tied in terms of faults. And I wonder how much of Kelly crying wasn't so much out of the blue like it appeared, but her feeling she was in a house of mean girls. It's no fun to feel like the outsider EVER, and clearly that's how they were all treating her. If I was on an island with a bunch of people who all made it clear they disliked and were barely tolerating me, I'd be crying in my room and on the phone babbling to a friend too!
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 7:25 pm
Gee many posts here. You all should have gone with me to the wonderful gardening conference today. I made a living wreath with succulents.........
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 9:13 pm
To me Kelly behaved like a complete loon. It was uncomfortable to watch. Bethenny was the only one of them not drinking and IMO B handled herself extremely well. To me the bigger topic here is how far will reality tv go in regards to gaining ratings at the expense of an ill person. I'm not diagnosing nor do I want to say mean things about someone. But something is very wrong wtih Kelly. I found the whole hour of that show extremely disturbing. I felt bad for Kelly and still do and I don't even like her.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 9:15 pm
Lurk watch the last half hour. That's where the meltdown happens and it's not pretty.
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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 10:28 pm
Ooooooo, succulents!! I'm not buying the Bethenny kool-aid that Bravo is trying to sell. While Kelly's reactions are looney for sure, I can't help but wonder how much Bethenny says that is edited out. It's a sick group.
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