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Gidget
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07-28-2002

Friday, January 08, 2010 - 10:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
I get your point Huk'd about people shoveling in food. It does happen. But the fact is most overweight people do not eat that much more than other people, if in fact they eat more at all. Many have shot their metabolisms to hell with yoyo dieting. Many have lost muscle versus fat making them even more efficient calorie keepers.

As an overweight person, I am often self conscious when eating in public or at a party because that is exactly what I think people are thinking. Look at all that food that fattie is eating. When in fact I am not eating any differently than anyone else.

There are so many factors to weight loss and gain. Some we know like calories in and out and exercise and stabilizing blood sugar just to name a few. But there is so much more we don't really know.

Yep, no doubt, most fat people have been piggish at times but so have thin people. We all don't process the same way.


Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, January 08, 2010 - 10:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Gidget, I wasn't commenting on the amount of food, or dissing overweight people in general. It's just that so many people who are on these shows need to take a look at themselves. It's not the TV that's making them look a certain way as they eat, it IS how they look. Erik really needs to rewatch that show and be honest with himself, much as those people do on the other shows.

Gidget
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Friday, January 08, 2010 - 10:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
I totally agree Hukd. No matter what is causing a person to be overweight, only the person can take control. With the exception of few legitimate medical disorders, most people can attain a healthy weight and not starve themselves.

Unfortunately, a lot of people think it is a lack of moral character or laziness or other undesirable trait that makes a person fat. Fat people are one of the few groups left that is is okay to shun and ridicule.

I was just looking at this picture. I wasn't sure where to post it but since everyone on this thread seems interested in the larger issue, not just the TV show, I thought I would put it here.

http://www.eatsmartagesmart.com/body-scan-of-a-250-lbs-woman-vs-a-120-lbs-woman/


Dawn
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Friday, January 08, 2010 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dawn a private message Print Post    
my friend told me about the discovery health show (i don't get that channel) and i couldn't believe the things she was relaying ot me that erik and his wife were saying. i don't understand why they think BL will continue to help them after the show? especially when he's the winner. own up, be accountable for yourself, and use that money to get a gym membership and a trainer! I think it was horrible that they were blaming the weight gain on BL.

and on the new contestants resembling other contests:
i thought pink resembled helen and her daughter as well.

the kid with the curly hair resembles one of the older contestants (he had curly hair before he cut it off - he married another girl on that same season)

the dad on the black(?) team resembles the dad from a previous season that was on the yellow team with his daughter

i think the purple team resembles an old purple team as well (it's the dark brown hair and dark rimmed glasses of the mom that do it)

Rissa
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Monday, January 11, 2010 - 6:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Re: Mom and that Sunday dinner. That depends on what exactly that Sunday dinner is doesn't it? For the average dieter you try to cut a couple hundred calories a day but one unhealthy Sunday dinner can easily top a couple thousand calories which not only cancels the whole weeks worth of effort but can add weight all on it's own. Damn frustrating but it is what it is. If you have worked hard all week to get your calories down say 1,500 calories then one larger serving of dinner and a slice of cheesecake just puts it all to waste and crying its not fair won't make a lick of difference. Even a single muffin can easily have 400-600 calories. Point being that having a single treat once a week probably won't hurt but having a once a week indulgent entire meal probably will.

Having said that, to regain that amount of weight took a lot of denial on Erik's part and I gotta wonder how many of those Sunday dinner's were still being put in front of him even after his family could clearly see his weight going back up in big numbers. Not that they are responsible but perhaps enabling? Hopefully this time (having to lose the weight on his own, not on camera and just showing up at finale for weigh-in) will be a better learning experience for Erik.

Roxip
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I thought Erik's wife was much more bitter than Erik. To me it appeared that she blamed more of the problem on BL than on Erik himself.

What a squandered opportunity. I think Mr. Erik got really high on himself as a celebrity and forgot that he was supposed to be living his life and getting healthy. I agree - most people can't spend 6 hours in a gym in the real world, but it shouldn't take that kind of disciple to maintain a healthy weight - eating properly and daily exercise should have kept him from hitting these high numbers again - he never dealt with the underlying issues as to why he eats and until he does then he will continue to have issues with his weight. Sad thing.

Seamonkey
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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 2:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
01/12/2010

ColorNameAgeHeight
BMI
Starting
Weight
Previous
Weight
Current
Weight
Loss Since Last Weigh inPercent Loss*Total*
Loss
Comments
GREEN
Bob/Jill
Migdalia
daughter
homemaker
285'9"
39.1
265249245-42.52T20fifth in comp
GREEN
Bob/Jill
Miggy
mother
chef
485'9"
35.4
240227219-82.52T21fifth in comp
WHITE
Bob/Jill
Maria
mother
corp travel agent
515'4"
48.2
281268258-102.76T
2.50T
23last place in comp
two pound penalty
WHITE
Bob/Jill
Michael
son
deejay
306'3"
65.7
526492481-1152.76
2.50T
46last place in comp
two pound penalty
PINK
Bob/Jill
Ashley
daughter
spa manager esthetician
275'5"
62.2
374353345-82.35T29fourth place in comp
PINK
Bob/Jill
Sherry
mother
nonprofit admin
515'1"
41.2
218201196-52.35T22fourth place in comp
GREY
Bob/Jill
Koli
beard
cousin
football coach/security
296'1"
53.2
403374366-82.34T37sixth place in comp
GREY
Bob/Jill
Sam
cousin
football coach/security
246'4"
45.3
372354345-92.34T27sixth place in comp
BLACK
Bob/Jill
Andrea
daughter
executive asst
245'7"
46.7
298284279-52.65T19second place in comp
BLACK
Bob/Jill
Darrell
father
operator/mechanic
465'10"
59.3
413383373-102.65T40second place in comp
BROWN
Bob/Jill
John
twin brother
sr reporting manager
306'5"
57.4
484461451-102.17T33eighth place in comp
ORANGE
Bob/Jill
Cheryl
mother
sears homestore owner
505'4"
39.0
227213210-31.89T17third place in comp
ORANGE
Bob/Jill
Daris
son
delivery salesman
255'10"
49.6
346317310-71.89T36third place in comp
PURPLE
Bob/Jill
Patti
mother
business owner
555'6"
39.2
243220216-41.51T27seventh place in comp
below yellow line
out week 2
highest loss in one week of any female competitor ever
PURPLE
Bob/Jill
Stephanie
daughter
radio sales exec
295'8"
40.1
264246243-31.51T21seventh place in comp
RED
Bob/Jill
Melissa
wife
attorney
395'6"
37.6
233214215+11.25T18first in beach ball comp
immunity
RED
Bob/Jill
Lance
husband
rancher
386'3"
45.6
365344336-81.25T29first in beach ball comp
immunity
BROWN
Bob/Jill
James
twin brother
hr director
306'5"
57.5
485485462-234.75T23seventh place in comp
below yellow line
out first week
YELLOW
Bob
O'Neal
father
usps station mgr
515'11"
54.3
389     bottom two send home for 30 days
YELLOW
Bob
Sunshine
daughter
restaurant server
245'6"
44.4
275     bottom two sent home for 30 days
BLUE
Jill
Cherita
mother
homemaker
505'8"
42.1
277     pulled out of comp by Dr. H.
bottom two sent home for 30 days
BLUE
Jill
Victoria
daughter
student
225'9"
52.9
358     bottom two sent home for 30 days


We see John, on his own. It was almost like being eliminated himself, his twin.. he IS grateful to be there still.

In the gym.. Jillian training people, tells us week two has been notoriously difficult on BL.. plateaus, rebounds, etc. you beat the hell out of them. Bob tells us they have to keep the intensity up and ride out the "week tow curse". Not for the weak minded or weak of heart.

Staphanie says not getting easier.

Bob gets to "hit" Michael. Jill says they are working together this season. Bob wants to make every single day count with Michael, no matter how long he manages to stay there. Whenever he goes home he will not forget what he learned here. Michael realizes it is a gift. Bob seemingly forgetting he and Jill are a team, says Michael needs MY help.

Jill works with John. Beat him until all his walls were down, when they are physically exhausted they cannot hold their feelings in anymore. Michael says he couldn't handle all these family members who are dead or cursed. Dad died then two others in three months when he was 15. Jill works with him on the emotions, pumping him up. John doesn't want to leave his little boy behind by dying young.

Meeting with Dr Huizenga Dr H meets with the peeps in the living room, says each year he says this is the sickest group, ever, and this is the most at risk for catastrophic events, cancer, heart, etc. Want to catch them before they have a life changing medical illness, or die.

Patti is made to admit that she's known she was diabetic for 20 years and didn't deal with it. She weeps over the lost 20 years. He says it takes a lot of work and consistency. Wants them all to bond and support each other.

He has individual medical tasks for each team, break through denial.

Gray, purple, white, etc.

White team Maria and Michael: Watch a normal weight man simulate your weight. Maria looks gobsmacked at this direction. Michael had no idea what that meant so they went to see Dr H, Bob.. they were in the grotto with a bunch of weights. They have Bob there to simulate carrying around 300 plus pounds of extra weight. Bob is afraid for his knees. He wants to stop Feels friggin' miserable. Michael is embarrassed. Bob wonders how you live like this? Bob: Holy Crap my hips are hurting. (ed. could this tell Bob not to make a 400 pound person jump on a stool until they lose a bunch?)

Purple team Patti/Stepahanie get watch a special message about how your health is hurting more than just yourselves

Dr H shows a video.. Dr H at their house. tells their family about mom being on 9 meds, worst diabetes ever and their sister following at an accelerated rate. Throwing away 25 years of like. The sister says she would beg her to stop doing what she is doing. The dad doesn't want his daughter to die before him. Purple team in tears. They pledge to do whatever they have to do.

Red team Lance/Melissa Find out your true cost of being overweight

He says they can't do so many things they used to go together horseback riding, etc., and he lost his job as a commercial diver. She says it is costing them their marriage too. Lance says being on the ranch brings them closer together. Dr H talks of extra healthcare costs..

Here comes a Brink's truck.. they see piles of money that they are throwing away, over three million dollars over the rest of their lives. And years of life, points out Dr H.

They don't want to be those people anymore.

Orange team Cheryl and Daris Watch how your old unhealthy diet affects a healthy person.

They meet with Jillian. Jillian has to eat one of their meals. She isn't pleased. We see various meals with lots of calories and fat. She is appalled. She deems it pure crap, etc. Wants to know why. convenient. how convenient is heart disease. Jillian is eating. Spits it out. Gross. They talk of what they are learning.


Thankfully, we don't see all teams

Competition at pool Maria dreads water.

Alli says testing the most important thing you need to achieve your weight loss goals: BALANCE. As a team take 10 beach balls across and get back safely without falling in.. beams are 3.5" wide and 40' across the pool. Fall in and start again. Winners get Immunity. Last place team gets a 2 pound penalty at weigh in (ed.. guess that stops people from just throwing a comp, a la Vicki)

Good reason to fight and good reason to not come in last.

Patti, purple, says she has bad balance due to neuropathy in her feet from her diabetes.
Time to play. They have floatyvests and helmets. Maria is crying.

Off they go.. Melissa/red, first to fall, then Sam/gray.

Daris/orange first across.

Lance/red in water

Michael/white in water

John/brown in water

Darrell/black almost across but in water.

Pink team on the board, Gray, Red, Black.. Miggy says she has negative thoughts/green.. one of them falls.

Stephanie/purple dry and across..

Melissa/red, says be real cannot get across.
Maria/white freaks out/panic attack.

and on it goes..

Black takes lead from red

Black needs only two balls. Red is tied now.

It is ON between red and black.

Drea/black says she must make it and then she falls in

Red gets ball number 9.. Melissa has winning ball

Red team wins immunity Black just behind them, second place.

Orange in third. Pink in fourth, Green in fifth. Gray in sixth. Purple in seventh (and mom with last ball despite bad feet)

White and Brown still in it.. who will have a 2 pound penalty. Maria is still freaked and she takes a terrible fall, has a bloody nose.. she sort of steps off of the beginning of the beam, takes steps and a nosedive on the concrete. Lots of moaning and LOTS of blood. Several medics and Lance get her up and she is medevacs off.. Michael feels helpless. Says he is going with her, leaving the competition.

Brown did complete the challenge.

Alli says unfortunately the White team does incur the 2 pound penalty.

(ed. sensing a groan from those of us who picked Maria to stay this week; could be a very short game).

Drea says this is terrible for white team.

Maria is out of the hospital, fractured finger, black eye. Really serious to get 2 pound penalty, ruined it for son because of fear of water. Michael talks to Bob about feeling like he had to take care of Mom.. Bob says that is his pattern.. she has professionals to take care of her, you are a 500 pound man who needs to take care of yourself. Self Esteem needed. Bob wants Michael to do what HE needs to do to make sure HE stays in the house.

LOL here we go again. .Michael says BOB was there for him, he needs BOB.

In the gym, Jillian wants to work with Maria on her fears, and getting over them. Talks of the two pound disadvantage. Says Maria has a "fragile, weak thing" thing going.. she is just as strong as other moms here. Maria whimpers. Jillian says this woman was afraid of getting hurt, so she jumps off the beam and smashes her face into a concrete platform.

Jill takes Maria out in the rain to the pool. Maria is terrified. Jill holds her hand and they walk into the water. Four feet and she has Maria floating. Maria says she is determined to help me with my fears. Jill smiles and says YOU are floating and I'm NOT holding you up. You are swimming. Let go of that self image that is weak, can't do it.. Jillian says that is why she loves the job and we see her encourage Maria to actually swim to the edge. Maria is pretty proud of herself. Jill tells her there is nothing she cannot do.

We get a preview of one person gaining a pound (sure looks like John)

LOL And BOB does push sugar free gum!! He likes the watermelon.

Dr H talks of the frank denial in this group. He came back to try to wake them up.

Black team.. inside look at internal health.. Bodyvix three D image.. see all that fat wrapped around the organs.. higher risk of heart attack than 98% of people her age. Darrell may be sickest man on campus, diabetes, reflux, asthma, metabolic syndrome, sleep apnea, bad family history of heart disease.

And in yet another product placement, for GE electronic medical record system, he tells white team. Maria has one of the worst fitness levels of anyone ever on the show. 33% risk of developing diabetes. Michael is largest ever, body fat in mid fifties.. Shows him over 300 pounds of excess fat.. in a scan. His lungs are tiny.

Orange team.. Cheryl's inner age is.. she is 75 instead of 51, he says. Half of that is cigarettes and the other half obesity related. Evil duo.. cigs and obesity. Set the example, mom. Daris doesn't want to see her smoke again.

Gray team.. sleep apnea potentially fatal. Video of sleeping patterns. Not a pretty sight. 100 times an hour goes to lighter stage of sleep. This is Koli.. Dr H asks for a hug.

Pink team.. Ashley.. her inner age is 57 and she is 27.. She feels crappy about that. 260 extra pounds of hydrated fat.

And she is diabetic too. Mom cries too.

Is this reversible? He says it is.

Last Chance Workout Red team has immunity but what if they gain a pound? (as I recall that would negate the immunity.

Bob and Jill yelling and working them and talking of week two.

They all seem to be taking it seriously this season.

John says he represents Brown team, cannot fail.

Patti is worried after losing 23 pounds last week, needs to stay above that yellow line.

Michael is worried about Maria's injury and the two pound penalty.

Melissa tells us she feels she needs to sandbag this week.. just lose two or three pounds and then she can lose more next week. Lance also looks to be slacking and Bob yells at him not to hang on.

Weigh in

Alli says team with lowest % will be below yellow line, one will go home. John is the whole team so if he is below the line, he automatically goes home.

Red team is immune and they will weigh in first.

Melissa crows that she is in game mode, wants to lose as little as possible to stay in the next week. Lance loses 8 pounds and Melissa gameplays herself into a one pound GAIN. Bob looks incredulous. Melissa looks at the numbers and actually smirks. Alli says Lance looks happy and asks if Melissa was hoping to just get zeros. Bob isn't buying what she is selling. Bob says just friggin' SAY it that you are playing the game. Melissa says she doesn't want to lose this week, wants to save it for next week. Alli says smart choice. She does not congratulate them.

Melissa tells us she cannot gain more weight. They lost 1.25% and are still safe from elimination tonight.

Next up is Gray team. They are worried about the week two curse. Haven't watched the show so they don't know what it is about.

Sam loses 9 pounds and Koli loses 8, down to 345 and 366 respectively. 2.34% Alli says may have lost sleep but didn't let it affect them in the gym Sam says this is a business trip and they are taking it seriously. Alli says "good job"

Pink team up next. Ashley talks of her medical news, hard week. Need to lose more than 12 pounds to be safe. Ashley loses 8 pounds and Sherry loses 5, so they are safe.. 2.35% Safe by hair 1/100th of a percent), but safe. Sherry also breaks the 200 mark. Relieved they are. Alli does say Congratulations (1)

Now Green team is up. Miggy says she worked that hard and is actually excited. They need to lose more than 11 pounds to be safe. And they do it.. losing 12 pounds. Migdalia loses 4 and Miggy loses 8. 2.52% and in first place for now. Migdalia thanks BOB, loves BOB. Safe. No congrats.

Purple team is up now. Stephanie says she did everything she could and she expects a big number. To stay ahead of Gray team they have to lose more than 10 pounds. Oops.. they only lost 7 pounds between them. Patti down 4 and Stephanie down 31.51%. Gray team is safe and Purple is at the bottom for now. They don't understand. Bob says don't worry about that.. body has to get into a rhythm.

Orange team. Daris says he is scared walking up there. He knows how hard purple team worked. They must lose more than 7 pounds to be safe. and they are safe, losing 10 pounds.. Cheryl 3 and Daris 7. 1.89% loss. They slide in ahead of purple and safe. Alli congratulates them (2)

Brown team is up. John is the brown team.. doesn't want to fall below the yellow line.

He must lose more than 6 pounds. And so much for manipulation of previews.. Jon drops from 461 to 451, 10 pounds, down 2.17% He's in fourth place and nicely safe. He gets applause. He's happy. Congratulations (3) and well earned.

Purple team still in last. Stephanie says it feels horrible.

And now we have Black team. Darrel says it as a blur from that point on. Don't want to go home. To be above purple team, must lose more than 10 pounds. Hee! They lose 15 pounds.. Drea down 5 and dad down 10. 2.25%, knocking Green out of first place and nudging purple closer to the dreaded yellow line.. They hug happily. Darrell says another week here with Andrea.. Congratulations (4)

Down (or up) to the White team now.. they must lose more than 13 pounds (including the two pound penalty). Very nervous.. Wow and they lose a total of 22 pounds, Maria down 10 and Michael down 11. 2.76% which would shoot them up to first place, very safe and quite happy, but the two pound penalty pares that down to 2.5%, quite enough. 45 pounds in two weeks. What is the record, Michael asks.. Jill says 100 in 7 weeks. Michael is throwing down to lose 100 in six weeks.. He laughs. And they get Congratulations (5)

Purple team is below the yellow line and one will go home tonight. Purple's hearts fell..

Deliberation

Stephane or Patti? Patti is so disappointed. Not ready to go.

Patti says she has a wonderful support system at home and Stephanie does not. From the bottom of my heart, I need to go home. I will succeed at home, much as she wants to stay. Stephanie is so proud of her mom, knows she has so much further to go and cannot do it at home, asking them to keep her. Promises she won't let them down. Patti thanks them.

We see no discussion and..

Voting

Brown team.. John knows how hard it is to send someone home. Sweet person, asks how I am.. Patti

Pink team, particularly hard, love them both so much.. Patti

White team. Maria says she and Patti grew close, Patti

Many tears..

Gray team, Patti like a mom, but they wouldn't disrespect her wish. Patti.

Alli says Patti has made quite an impact in two weeks.

Red.. Melissa says they would be in that spot if not for immunity and they would want their wishes respected as well Patti

Patti will go home

She says it was a gift being there and she will succeed at home. She is honored to live in the house with each of them.

Lots of hugs and off she goes.

She says she arrived at the ranch sick, etc. has a sense she will succeed. It was so hard and she is really proud of herself. You will see some hot senior citizen.

Started at 243.. Today she weighs 200 pounds, down 43 pounds. We see her working out with her older daughter and dancing lessons with her husband (cute) Ran a 5 K on Thanksgiving morning together.

Dr H makes a house call to tell her how she is doing.

He says she is down to two meds from 9, BP better, chol down and diabetes getting better.

Roxip
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I cried right along with them last night...didn't respect woman on the red team at all...she might be my least favorite so far. I also have a problem with the mother on the white team and think she should have told her son to go on and finish the challenge by himself instead of giving up to go to the hospital with her. He needs to learn to think for himself and take care of himself...I have a feeling that this kind of drama is commonplace in their home and probably creates a co-dependent environment that enables them both to continue being large people (in his case a huge person). I was glad to see Jillian confront her with the drama she created and make her confront her fear. Hated to see Patti go but was glad that the gray team was safe (I have a soft place for them).

Patti looked marvelous - she definitely took years off of herself by losing some weight and getting more active.

Red team (Melissa) may pay a high price for her game play this week...I'm betting Bob and Jillian put her through her paces!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Too late to go look since I deleted but I was under the impression that Maria was just looking dully at Michael when he said he was going to the hospital with her and frankly it looked like the ambulance went off without him, but that wasn't clear to me.

It WAS clear that he was totally wanting to "go with mom" and that is why Jillian had that talk with him.

As for Melissa/red team.. well that smirk bugged me totally, but I think while Bob and Jill may well work them hard, I think they clearly stated that it was refreshing for someone to just ADMIT that they were playing the game. I mean if you are immune it would be totally CRAZY to bust out with a huge number that week.. it affects your ability to get big numbers the next week AND the size of your % lost as well, The producers have set up the game and as seasons go on, some really play it and it works for some, but Bob has always been majorly pissed when they act all surprised at weigh in and lie about what they did.

However, I wonder what the rule is.. like if the pair had a net gain?

Melissa is not a favorite of mine in general.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I wondered if Melissa had mentioned her little plan to her husband...

Seamonkey
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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
He seemed to be aware of it. and she did tell the camera, so hopefully he was also in on it.

Peeper
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06-14-2004

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 3:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Peeper a private message Print Post    
From the previews, it looks like only one team member's weight counts next week at weigh in. I think that Melissa must have held back again next week because it shows someone losing 1 pound to weigh 214 pounds. Looks like Bob and Jillian are extremely upset that she did not try to lose weight 2 weeks in a row.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 4:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Well remember the previews made it look like Michael gained the pound and it wasn't him at all, so take previews with a huge grain of salt.

I could see Melissa getting them riled up, for sure.

I mean of course the goal is to stay there but the bigger goal is to get healthy, strong and lose weight..

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, January 18, 2010 - 11:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I feel that if you gain any weight at all, you should be booted from the house and the show. The show is a game of sorts, but it's supposed to be about changing one's life by learning how to lose weight and having trainers to help you.

It would have been wonderful to have seen her booted for gaining the lb. and see how others 'play the game' in the future, knowing if they purposely decide not to lose weight and accidentally gain a lb. or two, they will be booted on the spot.

Rissa
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I tend to agree with you Cricket. I realize this is a game but it's one played with people's health and (hopefully) long term well-being. Manipulating their weight to *play* should not be encouraged at all. I would like to see a 2X rule. So if someone gains 3lbs then next week their weight loss gets offset by 2X that(or 6lbs subtracted from whatever they lost). I think it is perfectly acceptable that if someone gets immunity that its a chance to breathe a little easier and perhaps not work at 100%, give their bodies a bit of a recovery break but somehow that got twisted into playing games with water and salt intake.

Cricket
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Excellent idea, Rissa. The 2X Rule is a great idea and would also make them think twice. The show needs to do something to make these people get on for the right reasons.

Texasdeb
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I'm from TX & I live about 60 miles south of the red team. Melissa (red team wife) is now the person I least like on this show! I don't even think that her HB, Lance knew what she was up to. She DID throw another weigh in! She IS an attorney - she knows how to "play"!

I so wanted to back the red team. Now, I'm unhappy to say that they are from TX!

I want "red" to go below the yellow line next wk and I want Melissa to get the boot that she deserves. Hey, give Lance a chance!

Seamonkey
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I'd like Melissa gone and I'm really unhappy with the behavior and speech of White team. So entitled. Calling the others "cowards" and basically murderers if they didn't keep him when he clearly slacked off in the clips they showed. As for them blaming Grey team for anything, they would have been below the line without the switch. Wish Grey had pulled the switch on Red team.

They didn't calculate Maria's % but had she been the Student I assume her % lost would have been zero since she only "lost" that pound she had gained last week.

But as much as she is manipulating things, the producers are really setting up the manipulations. Her speech was obnoxious.

Bob and Jillian often show their feelings but Alli usually stays sort of neutral but this time she just couldn't hide it..

Seamonkey
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01/19/2010

ColorNameAgeHeight
BMI
Starting
Weight
Previous
Weight
Current
Weight
Loss Since Last Weigh inPercent Loss*Total*
Loss
Comments
RED
Bob/Jill
Melissa
wife
attorney
395'6"
37.6
23321521413.57T19Teacher
RED
Bob/Jill
Lance
husband
rancher
386'3"
45.6
365336324-123.57T41Student
PINK
Bob/Jill
Sherry
mother
nonprofit admin
515'1"
41.2
218196190-63.48T28won temptation assigned teachers/students
Teacher
PINK
Bob/Jill
Ashley
daughter
spa manager esthetician
275'5"
62.2
374345333-123.48T41Student
GREY
Bob/Jill
Sam
cousin
football coach/security
246'4"
45.3
372345334-113.38T38Teacher
Immunity and can switch a Student and Teacher (White team)
GREY
Bob/Jill
Koli
beard
cousin
football coach/security
296'1"
53.2
403366353-133.38T5Student
Immunity and can switch a Student and Teacher (White Team)
BLACK
Bob/Jill
Andrea
daughter
executive asst
245'7"
46.7
298279272-73.22T26Teacher
BLACK
Bob/Jill
Darrell
father
operator/mechanic
465'10"
59.3
413373361-123.22T52Student
GREEN
Bob/Jill
Migdalia
daughter
homemaker
285'9"
39.1
265245237-83.20T28Teacher
GREEN
Bob/Jill
Miggy
mother
chef
485'9"
35.4
240219212-73.20T28Student
PURPLE
Bob/Jill
Stephanie
daughter
radio sales exec
295'8"
40.1
264243236-73.10T28Teacher
BROWN
Bob/Jill
John
twin brother
sr reporting manager
306'5"
57.4
484451437-143.10T47Student
ORANGE
Bob/Jill
Cheryl
mother
sears homestore owner
505'4"
39.0
227210203-72.90T24Teacher
ORANGE
Bob/Jill
Daris
son
delivery salesman
255'10"
49.6
346310301-92.90T45Student
WHITE
Bob/Jill
Michael
son
deejay
306'3"
65.7
526481471-102.08T56TeacherStudent
below yellow line
WHITE
Bob/Jill
Maria
mother
corp travel agent
515'4"
48.2
281258254-42.08T27StudentTeacher
below yellow line
out week three
PURPLE
Bob/Jill
Patti
mother
business owner
555'6"
39.2
243220216-41.51T27out week two
highest loss in one week of any female competitor ever
BROWN
Bob/Jill
James
twin brother
hr director
306'5"
57.5
485485462-234.75T23out week one
YELLOW
Bob
O'Neal
father
usps station mgr
515'11"
54.3
389     bottom two send home for 30 days
YELLOW
Bob
Sunshine
daughter
restaurant server
245'6"
44.4
275     bottom two sent home for 30 days
BLUE
Jill
Cherita
mother
homemaker
505'8"
42.1
277     pulled out of comp by Dr. H.
bottom two sent home for 30 days
BLUE
Jill
Victoria
daughter
student
225'9"
52.9
358     bottom two sent home for 30 days


Usual stupid recaps.. blue and yellow had to leave week one but told they will return after 30 days and compete with each other to come back.

We check in now, halfway through the challenge.

Houston, Texas, Blue team.. Not defeated, working out.. outside.. they just see Yellow Team as also working to come back.

Minneapolis, Minn, Yellow team.. Dad wants to do this for his daughter.. will roll right over Blue Team. We see them in the gym.

At the Ranch.. Competition

Alli talks of paying it forward: Student/Teacher week.. one team mate takes what they learn from trainers and then teach their partner.

Red team's Lance is upset, he doesn't want to lose a week with the trainers.

Alli 'splains that only one of each team with work with trainers this week. We see stony faces at this prospect. And then Alli adds that the student from each team (the one taught only by their partner) is the only one whose weight loss counts this week. (ed. hmm will the teacher on red team sandbag again? Will someone gain weight?) Melissa (red) says "oh no" but you can see wheels spinning in her head.

They all think this is crazy, as Ashley tells us.

John (Brown) and Stephanie (Purple) will play together since their partners are already out. Stephanie whines a bit to us.

Alli says determining who is teacher and who is student is important and that right will be won in a

Temptation: Whoever eats the most, wins. And she unveils lots and lots of candy. Melissa tells us she LOVES chocolate candy.

One person on each team plays for the temptation. John tells Stephanie he is not playing. Lance tells Melissa the same (lol, as IF Melissa wasn't planning to play) Melissa does say she doesn't want to be responsible, too much drama.

We see Melissa (red), Koli (grey), Cheryl (orange), Sherry (pink), Stephanie (purple for brown/purple), Andrea (black), Michael (white) and Miggy (green) who will play the temptation.

Some are stepping back. Don't want that responsibility. Michael takes a candy, Sherry picks one up too and she eats it, as does Michael.

Sherry and Michael in round 2. Sherry eats. Michael says not worth it..

Sherry now will decide who will be the teacher for each team. Melissa is surprised that she got that power for only 10 calories.

Pink team is now regretting that they will make people upset. Don't want to play the game dirty.

Time to tell the decisions. Ashley says they tried to be fair as far as weight loss.

Black team: Drea Teacher; Darrell Student

Mixed team: Stephanie Teacher; John Student

Grey team: Sam Teacher; Koli Student

Red team: Melissa Teacher; Lance Student

Orange team: Cheryl Teacher; Daris Student

Green team: Migdalia Teacher; Miggy Student (Miggy is pissed, says this was the week Migdalia would have lost lots)

White team: Michael Teacher; Maria Student

Pink team: Sherry Teacher; Ashley Student

All have anxiety.. pressure on the teachers to learn and train; pressure on the students to lose and weigh in.

Bob and Jillian are surprised.

Bob says are you kidding me? Ten calories? Can't argue about that. Jill says Migdalia is pissed. She denies it. Bob asks if she thinks he is stupid. Don't say nothing is wrong when it obviously is.

Bob and Jill agree she has a chip on her shoulder the size of Texas, going to make enemies, etc.

So far, Bob hasn't pushed any product and Jill hasn't jumped on anyone and no one has bled..

In the Gym

They will focus one on one to teach the teachers for their students. Bob says this is difficult.

Jill tells Melissa the key is cardio.

Bob wants Miggy on the stepper and the ladder.

Jill tells Sam to have Koli on an incline at x mph.

Bob tells Drea to have Darrell eat every so many hours

And it goes on.. of course lots of notes are taken.

Jillian climbs up on Migdalia's treadmill railing to try to chip off that attitude, says she is always playing mom to her mom.

She is difficult, closed down, angry about twist in game, just a trigger for years.

Jillian confers with Bob.. she's shut down and stopping, has to pee, etc. Jill says she'll walk out if I scream like a crazy woman. Bob says when did that ever stop you. Bob says try other side of nice/.. mean.. Jill says she'll walk out.

They get in argument about jumping. Jill gets mean.

Jillian works on Migdalia's daughter issues.. her own daughter.

Tells her tears don't make her weak.

Bob is watching Jillian be mean.

Feelings are meant to be felt and moved through not stuffed.. says the 9 year old daughter will follow Migdalia and her mom too.

Jillian challenging why did you come here?

She finally admits she isn't happy with herself. Cuz I'm not. Why not? Iterations. Migdalia walks out. Jillian follows her.

Breakdown coming. Jillian is working hard.

Migdalia wants to go home.

Jillian talks to Miggy who says this isn't the week to confront that. Jillian says don't encourage her. And don't be so strong yourself. Miggy says a lot more going on.
Agrees to talk to her daughter.

Migdalia says Jillian insinuated that Miggy is a bad mother.

Bob and Jillian talking..

Bob goes off to see what he can do at Jillian's urging.

Migdalia tells him she is done. She came here to get healthy and learn to eat and not fricken ... blah

Bob wants to get her head back on straight, she hasn't learned anything yet. He understands she was upset, they need to trust ME (BOB) (there he goes polarizing again).

But he convinces her to stay. Miggy says they came to change their ways, not their personalities. Bob says he's going to try to help her. Miggy is pissed that Jillian said Migdalia is like her mother..

Bob says I will help you. Hug it out.

Houston

Blue team at 24 hour fitness.. Cherita proudly tells us she did a whole hour spin class!!

Minneapolis O'Neal's wife tells him the worst day for her was when his mother died of a stroke at age 52. She doesn't want to lose O'Neal in just 10 years. That really affected him to hear.

Ranch We see teams training.. student and teacher.}

Trainers Room: Sandy Krum is the trainer We see some of them being worked on.

WALGREEN's product placement!! LOL Ice pack with a strap that says Walgreens on it.

Bob pushes working out in the water. Ut oh! could "none of the above" be the answer this week?


Cooking Lesson with Curtis Stone

He has just the teachers to talk about portion sizes and then some cooking.

Half way through we get the recap.. they think we are all brain dead and cannot retain a thing through commercials. We get a tease about trainers 'seeing red' with Bob screeching "Its not a joke here" which makes me think perhaps Teacher Melissa gained and smiled?



We see them arrive in a school bus to a playground

Student-Teacher Challenge

And here's Alli.

Spools of thread, color coded for each team.

To succeed you have to learn how to unravel your problems. LOL.. I expect to hear "Spool of Lies" any minute now.

Teacher unwinds 1000 feet of ribbon through the playground (lots of kiddie equipment, slides, tunnels, etc)

Students will then draw for which ribbon they will have to untangle.

First one back, unraveled, wins.

Reward is Immunity. and they win the ability to choose one team to switch Teacher and Student.

Off they go with their ribbons. 15 minutes.

(This could be a fun thing for kids..)

Looks like a schizophrenic spider on acid.

Someone says they do not want the white ribbon.

Bwahaha!! NOW they learn that the students have to bring in the ribbon of their own color, after they all made it as hard as humanly possible.

Teachers will guide the students but cannot touch the ribbon or their partners. Oh heck.. they are BLINDFOLDED!!!

They have to then take the end of the spool and then roll it up. Grey team doing well

15:43 Pink team at first obstacle.

Some teams doing pretty well, others, not so much.

32 minutes. Pink team has made no progress, basically.

White ribbon is slowing many teams down.

Will Red Team win again???

Grey and Red neck and neck.

Melissa is gloating.

1:10:57 GREY TEAM WINS IMMUNITY!!

Melissa blames White team

Greys know they can switch a team student and teacher; let Alli know at the weigh in.

Last Chance Workout

Bob says this is weird.. have to give the teacher a LCW and prepare them to teach. AND someone could be switched.

Jillian is hanging on a bike and on someone's leg..

Now the teachers get their students for last chance.

People think Mike isn't taking this seriously at all...

Grey team has immunity but they are not slacking, they say.

Some teachers are working with their students. Mike sort of sitting around.

Miggy is working hard.

Weigh-in:

As usual, team below yellow line is vulnerable.

Grey team is safe and can switch a teacher and student on one team, or not.

They decided, tough decision, to switch White Team.. Michael and his mom.. because Michael isn't working. They hope he won't fall below the yellow line but want him to wake up.

Michael is sullen about this.

Grey team, immune and up first.

They lose: Sam 11 pounds and Koli 13 pounds down to 334 and 353 respectively. 3.38% but of course they are safe no matter what.

Sam and Koli say immunity or not this is a life commitment and they want to make family proud. Jillian grins, same with Bob.

Next up is Green team: Miggy and Migdalia. Jill says who knows what will happen.

Migdalia loses 8 pounds, down to 237 and Miggy loses 7, down to 212. Team % is 3.23, but Miggy's is 3.20. (Migdalia's % was 3.27 so pink chose well)

Now we'll see Black Team. Darrell, the student must lose more than 11 pounds to be ahead of green and be safe.

Drea loses 7 pounds, down to 272. Darrell loses 12, down to 361 and Black team is safe. 2.91% team, Drea % 2.51. Darrell % 3.22 so bad choice by pink team.

They are happy with this.

Orange team is up. Daris is scared, didn't get to work out with trainers. He has to lose more than 9 pounds to be safe. He loses exactly 9 pounds. Green team is safe.

Cheryl loses 7. She is down to 203. Daris is down to 301. 3.08% team, Cheryl 3.34%, Daris 2.90. Good choice by pinks.

Four teams left to weigh in..

John and Stephanie, Brown and Purple. John needs to lose more than 13 pounds for them to be safe now. And he does.. 14 pounds down to 437. Stephanie loses 7 pounds, down to 236. 2.02% together. Stephanie 2.88%, John 3.10%, so bad pink choice.

Orange is still vulnerable.

And up now will be the Red team. Melissa says have to be honest, the only number on the scale that matters is Lance (hmm.. time for the Bob explosion that was teased?)

Lance needs to have lost more than 9 pounds to be safe. Lance loses 12 pounds, they are safe and Melissa loses just 1 pound. Jillian tells Bob, she threw it again. Off to commercial. Melissa is now 214, 0.47%. Lance now 324, 3.57% which puts them on top. Melissa smirks. Bad choice for pinks and I bet Grey wishes they had switched Reds instead of Whites.

Orange still vulnerable.

Back from commercial Melissa gives a Jack Nicholson Shining Grin, hugs and says "Excellent! We did it, baby ". Bob and Jillian look like they were made to eat lard. Melissa says "this makes me so mad, because THIS is why I'm still gaining weight. I have a great first week and then week two is horrible and then this and what's the point? Bob, Jill and Alli now all look like they want to bite Melissa. Melissa continues, "All I want to do is sit on my butt and eat a cheeseburger".

Alli.. "In Biggest Loser history have we ever..."

Jillian: "She's full of SHIT!"

Melissa's mouth falls open.

Jill: "You aren't fooling anyone. You threw the weigh in last week and you threw the weigh in this week and I don't CARE, because it is a GAME, the only thing that is annoying or offensive is that you think we are stupid."

Melissa is offended that they think she is lying.

Jillian says Melissa would have had to eat oh 7000 calories a day to zero out the exercise she did this week. Are you physically capable of that.

Bob "did you work out?" Did you hit 3000?

Bob goes off on her about wanting to eat a cheeseburger, not a joke here, don't LIE to me.

She is offended at them.

Jillian says questioning our knowledge.

They say let's move on.

Lance doesn't have a dam n thing to say.

They are safe. Alli looks like she wants to hurl.

Cheryl is so upset for Daris. She worries that it is her fault.

White team is up and Michael is sullen. This is a slap in his face, Grey team switching them. He hopes he pulls a big number.

Me, I hope he comes in under Daris on that chart.

He says he deserves to be there.

He must lose more than 13 pounds this week. He shrugs.

Maria loses 4 pounds down to 254 Michael loses 10 pounds down to 471 2.08% Still, Maria's % was only 1.55. Either way they would be on the bottom for now.

Orange is SAFE!!

Pink team still to weigh in. Dramatic music plays. Alli is pretty nice to Michael. Bob looks grim.

Michael hopes Pink will have a lower percent.

Pink team made all the big decisions.. time to see if that was the right decision. Ashley needs to lose more than 7 pounds.

Ashley loses 12 pounds so they are safe. Sherry loses 6, down to 190. Ashley is now 333 pounds. Sherry's % is 3 .06; Ashley's is 3.48, so they chose well in their own case.

White team is below the yellow line and one of them will go home.

I predict that Maria will plead to be the one to leave.

Bob and Jillian leave. One hour for decision.

Predictably, Maria would hate to go but cries and pleads for Michael to stay; he needs the help, push him. Dr H said he had only 5 years to have a stroke or a heart attack.

Maria tells us if they send him home THEY are KILLING her son.

(ed. I'm sorry, but I find that offensive, but I understand her fears.)

Michael says he's in PAIN compared to them.

John says Maria is like his mom, a giver. And he tells us he knows about being 500 pounds and having knee pain and he is insulted that his brother went home and Patti went home and Michael is still here.

(ed. I still predict they will keep Michael there).

Michael tells us if they choose to send him home, it shows what a bunch of cowards they are.

(ed. Again, I'm offended)

Voting

Orange votes, understands being mother and son, etc. Maria

John/Stephanie tried to think about who has a better chance to change their life, here. Michael

Maria says she granted what they both wanted. Slap in her face.

Black. Maria has grown. Michael needs to pick up the pace. Maria

Grey team. Hard decision. Back and forth, Maria so much stronger. Michael is holding back. Not their intention to put him below the yellow line. Maria.

She says thank you.

Red team: Melissa says earlier this week and Michael was secluded and they talked and said Michael should go, but if they fall below, they want their wishes respected. Maria.

So Maria will go home.

He tells her to be strong.

Maria is happy to have been her and experienced something great, two of the best trainers in the world. She has a tremendous fear of water. She is confident that she will keep working at it. Jillian and I have a really close relationship. She has made me understand that I'm a stronger person than I was. She opened my eyes. I will be completely different person. Thin and overcome fear of water.

Today I'm 230 pounds. Very proud of herself.

Feared water. She has a swimming instructor, they show her surprising family and friends at a pool. Her husband Dominick says she has always panicked.

Maria gets in the pool and swims!!

LOL.. husband " Who needs the noodles now?"

She plans to swim in the ocean on vacation in Yucatan.

Roxip
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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 8:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I guess with Melissa it comes down to what is more important - winning the game or getting the benefit of the program? I tend to be more of the desperate side so I would be working my butt off regardless of my status, but Melissa seeems more intent on being the winner than being the participant. Hopefully it will come back and bite her in her butt! If the gray team had picked them instead of the white team for the switch she probably would have been taking her butt home this week. Although I agree that Michael has been coming across and entitled and basically a petulant, spoiled child I would have preferred to see Melissa going home than Maria.

I think Michael might actually have to do some growing up without his Mama (who wasn't doing a great job of losing weight herself) there to hold his hand. I hope he rises to the occasion.

Panda
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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
Good thing Lance did a good job this week. What a load of crap Melissa said - she is so competitive in the challenges -no way she's having a "bad" week. I agree though, that it's set up for someone to play like that.

what about the whole thing with Migdalia? Bob sure seemed to go in there to save the day instead of telling the greens that he encouraged Jillian to pull out the meanie! Plus, Migdalia was pissed off way before they got to the gym.

Roxip
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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I haven't watched prior seasons but isn't that the way Bob and Jillian usually work? She is the aggressor and he is the pacifier?

Personally I thought that whole thing was a bit ridiculous, unless it is a setup for something that is going to happen down the road.

Who do you think would get to stay if it came down to Lance and Melissa. I'm sure she would ask that he sacrifice himself so she could win, but I think her fellow competitors would tend to vote to keep him instead of her. I know I sure would, just to irritate her.

Seamonkey
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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Usually Bob and Jillian aren't a team training everyone and this season they are supposed to work together, so Bob doing his "you need ME, I will be your savior" crap makes less sense than usual. I know he has to be smarting that when they have trained individually for all or part of a season, he's never had a winner (except the season when Jillian wasn't on the show, and that guy gained back all of his weight.. and no I certainly don't blame BOB for that, but he does seem to collect people who end up feeling like Bob and only Bob can help them and Bob isn't going to move in with them after the show, ya know)

I do think Miggy and Migdalia have some huge issues and instead of choosing to be insulted, too bad they can't admit that yes they do fear that the habits that caused them to be so heavy may well be picked up by Migdalia's kids.

I think Melissa would definitely ask to stay and try to get Lance to urge them to keep her and I sure hope they would fling her and her red shirt right out the door. She's obnoxious.

At some point there will be more gameplay at voting time and they will send home the person with the most potentiol to win, I'd think.

I just hope Michael doesn't stay so resentful.. they would have been below the yellow line no matter what Grey team did or didn't do. His student/mom didn't win either.

And as I already said, I resented the implication that if he died it would be the "fault" of the voters. BS.

I do agree he MAY grow without mom around, but if he is to grow he needs to befriend some people in that house, quickly. And one of the guys did mention.. oh it was John.. that just because Michael is 'biggest ever' doesn't mean there aren't some other really BIG guys who also need to be there and I'm sure it was hard to know his brother went home and Michael was goofing off. (but then.. brown team went down on their own merits or lack thereof)

Colordeagua
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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
[Melissa's] obnoxious.

She's an attorney. I worked for mostly nice ones. They're not all like that . . . but there are a few.

Roxip
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What Color says. I work for mostly nice ones too, but some days...!!!!