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Kitt
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09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 7:29 am
Viewership on the feeds might have dropped a lot now the Big Brother feeds are on; I'd guess the audience had a lot of overlap. Maybe that scared them a bit. When all the shows start up again next month it will be facing more competition there too. I like it, but admit it's not going anywhere fast, and I think some people are going to be looking at that sort of thing as a measure of success.
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Kitt
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09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 8:19 am
Today's hulu show... had Kara been leading that guy on? I don't watch the feeds so haven't a clue.
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 8:35 am
Hey guys -- honestly, I'm not too sure about the rumors of the shows demise. FYI, it was simply some people speculating, not from any credible media source. I've been watching the live feeds on and off over the weekend and into this morning and other than the artists being out of the house more, I don't see anything different. Kara may be having second thoughts -- she just seems like a fish out of water -- but I'm not convinced the show is closing down. Re, Kara and Brandt... agree with what Alex said about Kara being naive. I watched Kara and Brandt on the live stream last night and they seem fine and were talking about hanging out today. I'm guessing they've reached an understanding to be friends. Gig is back in the house. If Alex thinks Gig is slacking he's obviously never watched her spend 90 mins on her beauty regimen. Wow. Re, Kitt's comment about BB audience cutting into Dream... I disagree Kitt. I think Dream skews much younger than BB. Dream seems to be targeting the under 25 facebook crowd, as is evidenced by all of the facebook and skype activities they do. I also think Dream is an entirely different program than BB and therefore the reasons people watch dream are different than why people tune into BB. Jimmer, I don't think you've missed it. I think they may make some changes (they're constantly tweaking the format anyway) but I don't think the show is going away so catch up and we can go forward together. ((-:
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Kitt
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09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 9:18 am
Yeah, I think you're probably right about the live streamers not being the same. And particularly with this year's BB, which isn't as skewed to young people. Brandt looked like he was overdoing the drama to me, I felt bad for Kara because he seemed to be playing for camera time. Not sure I liked the way she handled it but it almost seemed like it came out of the blue, to her eyes anyway. Giglianne didn't enamour herself to me again this episode. Alex apologises to her and she just laps it up.... maybe she should examine her own behaviour a bit more thoroughly! She's the only one I don't really like. I missed Ben this episode!
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 10:06 am
Kitt -- Alex so owed Gig an apology. He's lucky she even agreed to sit down and talk with him about it. He's very openly slammed her several times now and it's not really his place, nor is he really correct. I think he likes to push her buttons just to get a rise out of her, and sometimes it goes over the line. Amanda, before she left, also had difficulty getting along with Alex. I attribute it to Alex's age. But Gig, I thought, was in the end forgiving and all is good between them. Agree with you Kitt about missing Ben this episode. I thought they spent a little too much time on Alex's band auditions. But goes back to what I was saying previously about how they should expand the episodes to an hour. They promo'd the PDiddy visit last week as though we'd see it in this episode, but now it's pushed back to next week. The episodes are running a week to two behind real time. I'd like to see them either lengthen the episodes or for them to give us multiple episodes per week to stay current. Re, Kara and Brandt... I'm not convinced Brandt was playing for camera time, and I have mixed feelings about the way Kara handled it, but... they seem okay in the end. They were hanging out in the kitchen (literally sitting on the kitchen counter with candles burning and Kara reading what I think might have been Shakespeare) for several hours last night. Kara's a sweet girl and Brandt seems like a good guy, but I don't see them together and I don't think Kara is open to the idea of having a relationship. Kara is the oldest 21 year old I've ever seen. Girl needs to bust loose!
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Kitt
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09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 10:46 am
I wonder if the hulu shows are putting a negative slant on Gig then. I know Alex is immature and says and does stupid and annoying things, but to me she came out worse in their argument because she was so self-centred and stopped him using the car that he'd "booked" because she couldn't be bothered to get out of the pool and take him. And in the apology scene this week she didn't even slightly say that she'd said some bad things too, which most people would do, even if only to be polite! I think they're both as bad as each other, just to me she always seems to think about herself, whilst he, though often misguided, seems like a caring person. I noticed no P.Diddy. If they don't want to run longer episodes then two a week would be good, it spoils reality shows when the show is so far behind real time.
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 11:28 am
Kitt -- All good points. Interesting conversation right now between Brandt and Kara in the kitchen. They are talking about the episode and Brandt drinking Kara's tears and both are saying that they both came off looking "psycho." They seem to think there was some creative editing involved. The only thing Brandt seems bothered by is a comment that Alex made about him being a "con man." But, he's not holding a grudge. It's interesting hearing Kara and Brandt rehash the whole situation. They seem fine with each other and seem to be taking the whole thing in stride. Brandt is also talking about a conversation he had with Gig but it's kind of hard to hear what he's saying. Wish I could hear him better.
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Kitt
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09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 11:48 am
Yes and so funny for them that it happened days ago and only now do they get to see what the producers made of it.
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 3:12 pm
Yes and so funny for them that it happened days ago and only now do they get to see what the producers made of it. Right? How awkward is that? Kitt, I'm curious to know your opinion on this... The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Kara does not belong in the Dream House. Yes, she's very talented and is obviously extremely nice. That said, I just don't see the versatility from her that I do from some of the others (see expanded explanation on this below), and a great deal of the time she seems out of place. There's nothing trendy about her; she has virtually no social life in Hollywood; her only friend is Brandt. The highlight of her week is usually several hours spent in church on Sundays. Now why do I say she's not as versatile? Look at it this way... Ben has done / is doing both acting and modeling. He plays the sax. He wasn't afraid to do the PETA ad. His acting has improved dramatically since he entered the house, and there isn't a day that you don't see him on his vlogs talking about how grateful he is for the opportunity and looking for new ways to get better at his "craft." I'm pretty confident in saying Ben has worked on at least six projects since entering the house. Gig -- despite the fact that you may not like her, which I do understand -- Gig has stretched way outside of her comfort zone recently. She came to the house wanting to be a model, but has now done three music videos (can't wait to see the Justin Timberlake video) and is working with John Kirby to help her with some of the emotional hangups she has. She tried the hollywood reporter project with Rocco, but decided it wasn't for her, but hey, at least she tried it first. She's booked at least a half dozen projects since being in the house also. Alex... well, what a powerhouse. Enough said. Justin... also going places. Enough said. Then you have Kara. She hasn't booked a single job. She's acting only. She does her classes with John Kirby and studies on her own at the house, but I just don't see her hustling the way the others do. And I don't see her as a model. She can sing, but I don't think that's what she aspires to. They should just hook her up with Disney and call it a day. Does that make sense? Curious to hear your take Kitt.
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Kitt
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09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 3:39 pm
Disney, lol . I completely agree she's the least versatile, however I think there's the chance she's the most talented of the actor/models. And I suspect even though she's talented, outside the house she'd have no chance of making it because there are probably a lot of aspiring actresses like her and the trick seems to be to stand out, and that's the one thing being in this house gives her. I don't know, she's the odd one out for sure, but on a personal level I feel if they get rid of her they'll be promoting a stereotype where you have to be gorgeous and you'll be given the breaks, even if your talent isn't so much, and I'd be a bit sad about that. Or maybe it's true that in Hollywood you have to fit in and be gorgeous to get anywhere, in which case perhaps they would be better off with just pretty people in the house. (Obviously not saying Kara isn't pretty, because she is, but both Gig and Ben and visually very striking, whereas even with her looks, you know in television or screen that Kara is going to be given "character" roles, not "leading lady" roles.) For Gig, was the Hollywood Reporter job you mention the fashion one they showed on the hulu episode a week or so ago? They haven't shown how that's gone yet, nor the Justin Timberlake vids. If she'd work on her hang ups and not say no quite so much I'd like her more!
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 6:15 pm
...they'll be promoting a stereotype where you have to be gorgeous and you'll be given the breaks, even if your talent isn't so much I'm not sure that's so much a stereotype as much as it is the reality of Hollywood. Lots of people in Hollywood get breaks because of their looks or connections, without regard to actual talent. Ben and Gig as models have to be "model gorgeous" and I think they both fit that definition. That said, I don't know that Alex necessarily falls into the "gorgeous" category. Cute in a little brother sort of way, yes... but gorgeous? I don't think so. What Alex does have though is a hipness that is in line with popular culture. His attire, his manner of speaking, and his lifestyle are all young and current. Kara on the other hand dresses like an old lady right down to wearing her hair in a bun. She seems completely out of step with popular culture and in a lot of ways not completely at ease with herself. I still remember the episode where she didn't want to be seen in a bathing suit. She's 21 years old and has a cute figure so what's the problem being seen in a bathing suit? Re, Gig's reporter job... I used the term hollywood reporter generically versus in reference to the industry magazine by the same name. Perhaps I should have referenced it as her "entertainment reporter" work. (-: Anyway, it was episode 20 -- http://www.hulu.com/watch/163679/if-i-can-dream-menage-a-trois?c=Reality-and-Game-Shows#s-p1-so-i0. The Justin Timberlake music video I heard about, I think, in the extended meeting / interview Michael Herwick did with Gig (see link upthread). He explained that they can't post the video on their website but that Timberlake would be releasing it "soon."
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 6:17 pm
By the way Kitt... how come you can't get the live stream?
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 6:19 pm
Interesting... Chef Kaitlyn is in the house tonight. Doesn't seem like a show that is cutting back or getting ready to shut down. I think Dream is staying right where it is. Jimmer -- come back and hang with Kitt and me!
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Kitt
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09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 9:21 pm
I don't think Alex is gorgeous, but as a singer he doesn't need to be. It's the actors and models who need it... and you're probably right, the Hollywood stereotype is more truth than stereotype! I haven't tried to get the live stream for a while, but at the beginning of the show I kept trying and it would always stall or crash my pc. I have a lot of things going on my screen, and I think I just don't have the ram. So anyway I've just kept with hulu instead. Who's Chef Kaitlyn?
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 10:03 pm
Chef Kaitlyn (I may be misspelling her name) is a personal chef who comes into the house and teaches the artists to cook, but she also prepares special meals for nights when they have visitors (such as Shirley Jones, Eric Roberts, etc.). I'm pretty sure she's there at least once a week, sometimes more often. She's featured in some of the clips on the Dream website, and if you time it right you can watch her live on the live stream as it's usually posted in advance when she's expected to be there. I think they even had her do a twitter session at some point.
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 11:06 pm
Just caught a glimpse of Ben in his undies. Boy is cougar bait for sure!!
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Friday, August 13, 2010 - 8:08 pm
Hey Kitt, I can't remember if you are able to watch clips on the Dream website, but I found this vlog by Gig kind of interesting and would be interested to hear your impressions of it. http://www.ificandream.com/#/videoarchive/video/1412 It's ten minutes, uncut, stream of consciousness chatter by Gig. At one point, Brandt is talking to her off camera -- it was Tuesday morning after this week's episode came out. Gig and Brandt chat about the creative editing that made it look like Brandt was drinking Kara's tears, which Brandt denies, but yet he seems to keep a good sense of humor about it. If you can hang in for the duration of the ten minute vlog, Gig talks about her feelings about the way she's portrayed and indicates liberties have been taken in the way things have been edited. She specifically refers to the night she danced until dawn -- on the episode it made it seem like she was then tired when she had to go do a photo shoot later, which she says was not the case. But she seems resigned to the idea that it makes the show entertaining and she's happy to do her part for ratings. Anyway, I thought it was kind of interesting and thought I'd pass it along.
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Kitt
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09-06-2000
| Friday, August 13, 2010 - 9:54 pm
I didn't even know they had a chef! It played! Gig's a lot more likeable when she's like that! She seemed so natural it's a shame she can't harness that for her photoshoots. I'm not sure about some of the things she said though. One that stuck out was that everyone else was being portrayed as they are but not her - that actually makes me more believe that a lot of what we're seeing of her is correct, it just might not be things she recognises in herself. The thing about her being tired at that shoot the day after the all night dancing - we'll she's the one who was saying she didn't have any energy, it's wasn't that they just played shots of her sitting and made a story around her sitting because she was tired, she actually voiced that herself. So I don't know how much I believe she's being badly portrayed, particularly if she thinks the others are being honestly portrayed. Wonder what Brandt did if he didn't drink the tears!? It looked like he did! I don't think I should be allowed to watch clips like that, because if I find I can play them I'll be stuck there all day and never do anything productive ;).
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 8:42 pm
Hey Kitt, Good comments. I was just curious if she came off any differently to you in her vlog than on the show. Seems like she did to some extent. Re, her comment about being tired for the shoot... I think her point was that the comment was made at a different time and then edited as though she was referring to the photoshoot. So, she did voice it, but not necessarily referring to that event. Re, Brandt drinking the tears... he was drinking a glass of water, not the glass Kara held to her face. Brandt joked about it in his conversation with Gig saying, "I'm thirsty, I think I'll go make Kara cry." LOL (-: Anyway, I do find it interesting to hear how much editing they are doing to try to create storylines. Wish there were more people following this show. Whatever happened to Catbowl?
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Kitt
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09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 2:41 pm
They showed Giglianne quitting the fashion host job! It looked like she pretty much put the phone down on him at the end, don't know how much of that was the editing! They're doing a good job of making her look bad, whether she is bad or not. I didn't really see why they wanted Ben to drop acting if he were to sign with them, I guess they didn't want him to get an acting job and not be available? I don't see why it makes sense for him to not continue with classes. LOL at the end they're cutting off the tops of pepsi cans to grow herbs in!! Not even slightly dangerous, nooooo! Peeing in the shower to save water?!!? I think Catbowl has been seduced by the powers of BB...!
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 9:18 am
Kitt wrote: LOL at the end they're cutting off the tops of pepsi cans to grow herbs in!! Not even slightly dangerous, nooooo! LOL!! I had the exact same thought Kitt!! Kitt also wrote: I didn't really see why they wanted Ben to drop acting if he were to sign with them, I guess they didn't want him to get an acting job and not be available? I was a little perplexed about that too Kitt, but I remember from another modeling show sometime back (can't remember the name of the show but it was on MTV I think and it was about models on South Beach) that the agencies want to be sure the models are at their beck and call. Right or wrong, the models are the agencies source of income and if they are going to put effort into placing the models, they want to be sure the models are giving them their undivided attention. Anyway, hope this isn't foreshadowing some sort of issues for Ben. Agree Ben should continue his acting classes. I think he still has potential to grow as an actor. On a different note... Thought Alex's new band -- the twins -- are adorable. Go Alex!
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Kitt
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09-06-2000
| Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 12:08 pm
I wondered about foreshadowing too. On the "next on" clip there was someone again asking him if he'd committed to the modelling, and I wasn't sure if it was an acting person dropping him. Real shame he can't do both, at least until he's getting a lot of modelling jobs. I was so glad those twins, and their brother, were such hard workers! I wasn't sure from the quick audition whether they would take it seriously.
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 7:13 am
I was so glad those twins, and their brother, were such hard workers! I wasn't sure from the quick audition whether they would take it seriously. I had a similar thought Kitt. They had the look but could they deliver on the music? From one of their comments, I thought they might be a better fit for the Purple Melons, LOL! Glad for Alex that it worked out so well.
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Monday, August 23, 2010 - 12:32 pm
I haven't yet watched these clips in their entirety yet, but I was excited to see that they have posted both Ben's and Kara's individual acting sessions with John Kirby in their entirety this week. I watched about half of Ben's session. He's really improving -- still stiff, but looking more comfortable. Haven't watched Kara yet but curious to check out her work also. Ben's acting class http://www.ificandream.com/#/videoarchive/video/1455 Kara's acting class http://www.ificandream.com/#/videoarchive/video/1454
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Catbowl
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02-12-2008
| Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 11:53 am
Wow...I get sucked into BB for a bit and looky here...tons of posts to read. Thanks for the links, especially the one of gig and micheal. I didn't see any other ones. I do keep up on the episodes and especiallly watch the acting lessons on thursdays. Was going thru withdrawal when Kirby went out of town. Both Ben and Kara are growing as actors. I am into the actor part of this whole thing. I wanted to be an actor but felt I was to ugly. Kara can't give up because of her looks. Hell..take a look at her facebook page icon pic. HOT CHICK!!! And every time the episodes come out and they do the close ups at the beginning..there is something compelling about Karas eyes. There are many actressess that are *ugly* but do well. Kathy Bates is one. She was so good in Misery and then look at her in Green Fried Tomatoes. Night and day. Perhaps Kara would do well in the Christian film making industry. I am sure there is alot of oppertunity for her there. She may not become a star...but I don't think she will want for work once this part of her journey is over. Kara is my fav. Ben my second. Then alex and then gig. Can we even count Justin anymore? They really need to add a couple more dreamers to the house. So glad you guys remembered me..lol..suckered into bb..*sigh*
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