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Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I've only begun watching but... Tamra taking etiquette lessons? Is it April Fool's Day? Cuz seriously, that's a joke.

Brian is local (here). No wonder they brought him up to cross promote.

Tamra has rapidly become one of my least favorite HWs, right there with Vicki, and now I think I'm afraid to watch the rest of this episode.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 8:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
"To Be Continued"... is never a good thing (unless it is an Uber-leg on Amazing Race).

Msbullwnkl
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08-16-2005

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 9:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Msbullwnkl a private message Print Post    
I was apalled at Tamra and her son's behavior at the so-called dinner party! Did anyone else notice his vulgar hand sign he made towards the end of the episode. UGH!

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 9:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
Observance from the show that was given to us and only this week.

While a person has to take responsibility for their own actions, contributing to them is offensive.

Tamra needs backup from Vicki. She behaves somewhat when not together.

Jeana tried to remove drinks that were replaced faster and encouraged by Tamra.

Vicki's husband was enjoying Gretchen much more than Vicki realizes.

While these women are not friends but are thrown together for a show, they do get to know each other and as a guest in my home should be treated with consideration and respect.

And finally

How can a mother pimp out her hormone driven 22 year old son to make herself look better!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I agree with everything you said Csnog! And for all the complaining Tamra and Vicki did about Gretchen always wanted to be the center of attention, they sure kept putting her there, didn't they?

This episode was pukifying. I sure hope the "to be continued" dramatic ending was just to make sure we watched again, and that Gretchen wakes up. I didn't like that whispering in the bathroom crap and the comment from Gretchen to him. I can't really remember it, but something like "You're so hot"??? bleh! No, he is quite UN-hot!

Dannysgirl
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08-09-2007

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dannysgirl a private message Print Post    
MSbul--I didn't see the hand gester - what did he do?

I think that Tamara was trying to knock Gretchen off her pedistool and show everyone that she isn't some loving fiance standing by her sick boyfriend.

Huk- I agree with you, I do not think Ryan is hot--Gretchen said something like "You really turn me on" and that's when we got the To Be Continued....

I'm sure she doesn't do anything but again, Tamara asking her to stay sure seems like a setup to me!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Tamra should be ashamed of herself. What she did at her "classy" dinner party was definitely not classy. Both Tamra and Vicki have a serious case of jealousies. I absolutely detest the actions of both of them. (And I laughed when Tamra said she judges people by their actions. Cuz if I did that, boy, did I just judge HER!)

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Thanks Dannysgirl, I knew someone would remember what Gretchen said!

If they had any sense of decency they would have pulled Gretchen aside and talked to her. I've had friends who overdrank thoughout the years, and a good person would tell them, "listen, you may think you're o.k., but you're really embarassing yourself with your behavior. Let's have some coffee or something and let the drinks go for tonight." Jeana at least took a few drinks away from her while she wasn't looking, but Tamra egged her son on to give her more.

Oh how I can't wait for the NYC Housewives to return! These OC women are sickening.

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
<93> I saw the previews for the next show (after the July 4th eppy), and it looked to me like they were making Gretchen cry. I hate that Slice skipped so far ahead (making us Canadians miss one or two episodes), but it looks like I went from three episodes behind to one episode behind.

Very likely we'll be behind again after TRH of New York premieres. I made some comments about the first season in the general discussion thread, since there was no thread for NY<93>. But I actually thought the behaviour of the NY "wives" was worse than the OC wives. I couldn't get over Alex and Simon, and their strange relationship, and I thought Ramona was literally out of this world. I can't wait for season 2! My worst memory of that show is the dog cleaning out Jill's nostrils.

After the OC wives' behaviour so far this season, I'm rethinking that the NY "wives" are not so bad. I'm really looking forward to more of Bethenny's wisecracks.

Danzdol
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04-21-2001

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Danzdol a private message Print Post    
wow.. I can't believe all the Tamra bashing. Yeah, she behaved and acted childish but Gretchen is an adult and could have pulled the plug with the flirting, drinking and "you turn me on" comment. Puhleez, I don't buy the "poor Gretchen got suckered into this for one second.

ALL of these women are a train wreck in any direction you put it. They all act like children or worse. I find myself continuously embarrassed for them!

Danzdol
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04-21-2001

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 11:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Danzdol a private message Print Post    
and why do they keep using some of the same background music they use on Top Chef? NOT original.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 12:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
No one ever said she got suckered into anything. But Tamra and Simon and Vicki continued to encourage it. And I do think that Gretchen went along with it because she wanted to be one of the "in" crowd. She was finally being accepted. Unfortunately, she was letting off steam someplace she shouldn't have been.

Tamra had no business trying to get Gretchen drunk. Whether or not Gretchen knew she'd hit maximum saturation or not is irrelevant. Tamra telling Vicki that her intent was to get Gretchen drunk was the final straw for me. And then to throw Ryan at Gretchen was just the topper.

I think these "women" act disgusting. I would be embarrassed if I were any of them, but at this point I'd also be embarrassed to say I knew any of them or they were friends.

Tamra acts like a spoiled rotten child. As does Vicki, when she doesn't get her way. And I know both of them are considerably older than their own kids.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
I knew that Chef Brian looked familiar!

Msbullwnkl
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08-16-2005

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Msbullwnkl a private message Print Post    
Dannysgirl-

He held up his hand with his index and middle finger extended, his ring finger down, and his pinkie finger extended. It is called "shocker" and has a sexual definition and VERY VULGAR!

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
I'm so glad I'm not alone in my opinions!

Tamra is jealous, and wants to be the center of attention as well - she wants to be validated by Vicky - Both Jeana and (?? New girl) Lynn were turning a blind eye - Jeana definatly did work at trying to take away some of the shots - but I think she has been in an environment that you just cant help some people (ie her playboy days - and her background with her dh's alcohlism)

I wonder if Lynn is rethinking her decison on joining this group - I'm sure the money must be good to do the show!

Yep, Gretchen was in the wrong place to let off steam, and she is too young ( as in not enough experience to play with these catty women) Ryan also tried to help Gretchen "fix" her top - some type of ribbon, or string that fell out (making it look like a tassle for her bosom!)

I just couldnt watch the train wreck. Tamra setting out to do a "fancy etiquette" party had to be driven by the producers... but it was truly sad that when she met with the chef, she was so out of her league, and Simon was almost patronizing by butting in - I had thought when she went to the coach, and she mentioned her dh was from Europe that it was sweet that she was going to do something for him - but I'm left with the bad taste in my mouth - it was all producer driven...

Each HW episode tries to gather the women together for a dinner at someone's house - and somehow drama is thrown in...

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
That string or ribbon on Gretchen's dress is the thingie that you use to hold the dress on to a hanger (you know, to help keep the shape of the dress and to keep it from falling off the hanger). Since her dress was a halter-type dress, that's definitely what it was. (I cut the damn things out!)

Tamra has no business trying to learn class. Either you are born with it or you aren't. She can learn manners, and how to use the proper fork at the proper time. But just learning etiquette is not gonna even give you a patina of class. She also seemed to have no clue about the party, other than a "fancy etiquette" party. No theme, no food ideas. It's a good thing Simon WAS there.
Producer driven or not, it could've been a nice fancy party. Heck, I just went to a party in the Bay Area. It was catered, with wait staff and a bartender, and we had more class than all of this crew put together. And oh my, the truffled cauliflower soup... I could've taken a bath in it! Yum! (But I was way too classy to stick my head in the pot to slurp it all up, naturally! :-))

Thesnark
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09-27-2008

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Thesnark a private message Print Post    
I AGREE with all that has been said about tamra's pathetic actions in last nights show.

BUT, gretchen is a grown woman in her early 30's who has the ability to say NO.

NO thanks I don't want to drink tonight.
NO thanks I've already had a couple of drinks and I don't anymore.
No thanks I'm a little tipsy and I don't want to get drunk.
NO thanks I'm drunk and don't want to get so shit faced drunk that I find your son cute.
Just say NO, gretchen!

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 4:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
You hit it right on, Thesnark. I asked the question a couple of pages back: Is Ryan not a grown man? Why does he need middle-aged women to "protect" him from Gretchen??

Gretchen and Ryan are adults. They are presumably capable of answering for themselves. Why is everyone assuming that the older "housewives" have all the control? Nobody is making them (Ryan and Gretchen) do things, and they are in control of their own actions. They both gotta grow up, and no-one else should be interfering.

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 5:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
Gretchen is going through a very difficult time in her life and like several people said she was lettinq off steam in the wrong place. Unfortunately for her when a person gets as drunk as she was, she didn't have the ability to make good choices. Tamra was actively trying to get her drunk and using her son, which is very sad. Tamra must be a very unhappy person to act the way she does.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 6:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
As a host I have an obligation to care for any guest in my home. It might not be true if they were in a bar except to see that she got home safely. If you did that, why not see that she's safe while in your home.

Pushing drinks on your guest when they should water them down is not mature especially when you know that person is under stress.

I can't help but wonder the theme of the show. Etiquette lessons, drunk driving speech, teenage drinking which we didn't see, and ending with an adult drunken party at an etiquette dinner where you sandbag your guest.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 6:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
This episode was sad all the way around.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 7:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
Holy-catfight ... I can't wait for the Real Housewives of New York to be back on!!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Countrydaze, your post was just what I was thinking. They KNEW she'd been under a lot of stress and was just trying to have a good time. They took advantage of her, IMO, and I don't think she was all that capable of making sound decisions once she started drinking.

And Csnog is right about it being the host's responsibility for their guests. Here in New York state, if someone leaves your house drunk, YOU are held responsible!

The show seems so much more scripted than I'd ever felt it was before. These people aren't "real" and they certainly aren't people I would ever befriend.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 7:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
I still think Jeana is the best of that bunch, I really felt sorry for Gretchen, and the rest of them are a waste of space.

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
Like I said, here in Canada we are at least one episode behind. But I definitely have to say I can see your points, Csnog and Hukd. You are totally right in the fact that you have to be responsible for your houseguests, and if someone is drinking too much, you have to step in. Hukd, here in Toronto, we are also held responsible for the actions of anyone leaving your party when they're intoxicated. If a drunk person leaves and gets into a car accident, the host could very well be held responsible.

I'm hoping that I would have thought of that myself had I actually seen the episode. But I admit I was wrong and you guys were absolutely right. All I could think of is here we had some adults acting foolishly, and they have to take responsibility for their own actions.

...I am completely disgusted that Tamra was actually trying to get Gretchen drunk. I missed that as well. You just don't do these things to people, especially your so-called "friends".