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Tishala
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08-01-2000
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 12:34 am
I was really surprised by one thing: that I felt like Tamra was telling the truth about Gretchen having a boyfriend on the side. Gretchen kept looking at Tamra (IMO) as if she couldn't believe she was saying it, but she really looked like she was guilty to me. I don't doubt that Gretchen had her little tryst going through the whole season. That said, Tamra and Vicki annoyed me as usual tonight. But then Gretchen had never heard of Florence Nightingale or All About Eve. Oy. Laurie? If you're son's in jail, no euphemism is going to make it sound or be better. "He's in custody" or whatever it was just signaled to me that she isn't really dealing with the gravity of her son's situation, no matter how many times she can say the 3 Cs of Al-Anon.
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Malaka
Member
07-05-2007
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 3:29 am
My sources tell me that this is the MySpace Page of Gretchen's theoretical stalker.
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Dannysgirl
Member
08-08-2007
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 5:14 am
Tishala - ITA with your comments - I really do like Gretchen but I also think she looked guilty - something just didn't seem right. I don't think that Jeff "paid" her to stay with him. Tamara's behavior was horrible - she should be ashamed of her actions - I know it was all about "outing" Gretchen but it really only made her look bad. Vicki is right there with Tamara - her saying "I only called her ditsy, but not like ditsy, ditsy" Is there a good "ditsy"? Even though Lynne is not a favorite of mine, there's nothing more than I hate than a bully and I think that Vicki and Tamara were the poster child of bullies last night.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 6:44 am
IMO I think Tamra and this Jay person are in cahoots to bring Gretchen down. I mean how did Jay get Tamara's #? Why was she the ONLY HW he called/ Why didn't Tamara tell me to bug off that it wasn't any of her business?/ it's all to sketchy!
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 6:48 am
Vicky also feels she has the right to be sanctemonous - I mean look at how well her kids have turned out - not like Laurie's son, not mean like Jeanna's kids, and certainly not like Lynn's kids - so therefore she has been validated as a perfect mother - and anyone that thinks differently is just jealous and a "hater" and she doesnt have time for those "haters"... it was interesting how she addressed how mean she is to Donn... ITA with others, I was flipping channels and had to take a phone call - and I hope the RHOC has jumped the shark - but I doubt it - I think they are fed by the controversy, the producers come up with ways to throw the women together (like that horse racing date) and then just watch the drama naturally unfold - via Vicky and Tamra (yuck) Gretchen's boy friend probably was Slade - (rumors posted) and I agree, Jeff was in the know - think about the Indy 500 and how well she got along with the other guys, and Jeff was dying, and he knew it - I think he paid her in jewels tho, and a Harley - did anyone ever figure out the will? I do like how Gretchen said the money wasnt hers, it was his, and his kids - she really could've married him before coming on the RHOC - and would've had more of his money... Lynn - I'll be surprised if she appears next season, if she does, it means these ladies get paid a lot for their appearance - because she is bullied - she doesnt get along with any of them <77>
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 7:57 am
everyone has made good points so far! I find Vicki's tone to be very condescending when she speaks in her "serious, heart-felt" voice. Telling Lynn that she cried too, oh lord puh-leez! Tamra <77> You can just see it on her face-and I think that Gretchen is being set up even if she is seeing someone. Why in the world would Tamra's husband spend and hour on the phone with this caller? He acts just as snarky as she does and really I cannot stand to see Ryan on the tv anymore. blech. Like Angelic said, I would have told this guy to bug off. Someone posted this last week I think re: Jeff and Gretchen...I agree, that he wanted some hot arm candy himself-not for her nursing experience. If that's what made him happy, then who cares?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 9:41 am
I feel both Vicki and Tamra made themselves out as fools last night. What business is it of Tamra's what Gretchen does or does not do? These two women act completely clueless... I can't count how many times Vicki denied being cruel to Lynn but it was all there on tape. I don't know what the producers were thinking, but this season of RHOC left a really nasty taste in my mouth. "Mean girls" are not fun to watch, nor are they funny, nor are they even interesting. Tamra is so consumed with jealousy over Gretchen, and Vicki is close behind. Whatever Jeff's and Gretchen's relationship was, it was THEIR relationship.
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Hooters
Member
08-26-2006
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 10:17 am
ITA Costacat re: Jeff & Gretchen's relationship. I hope both Vicki & Tamra get what's coming to them from their "fans". This show started going downhill for me last year and now, it's finally at the bottom of the heap. I don't understand how two women can be so absolutely horrible to others & still show their faces in public. I'm not a big Gretchen fan, but, she didn't deserve this. The others have to be extremely uncomfortable after Tamra's attack, who knows whose secrets she'll be blabbing about next. Vicki was terrible to Lynn & it broke my heart when she started crying. Vicki also needs to remember that we all saw her show up at her son's college house with a case of Coors Light, I believe he was underage & NOT happy at all to see her. He was more than rude to her then, and still it. <93> Now I've vented...back to work.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 11:45 am
I forgot to mention... Vicki really disappointed me by not taking responsibility for any of her actions. She refused to admit that she was mean. When Lynn started to cry, it went back to "well, you made me cry." She's not taking responsibility for anything and she's not sorry for anything and that is just disgustingly rude, to me.
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| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 12:15 pm
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Alliet
Member
07-11-2005
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 12:25 pm
I don't get why Tamra is on this show. Her behaviour is deplorable. Why is she so hell bent on ruining Gretchen? What is it to her? Is Gretchen trying to portray herself as a saint? I don't think so. What does it matter whether Gretchen is seeing someone or not anyway? Does Tamra get on at Vicki for her behaviour around men (and Vicki is married)? Nope. Why pick on Gretchen then? I would hope they'd get rid of Tamra before they film another season. She's appalling to watch. I doubt it esp. if she brings controversy.
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Thesnark
Member
09-27-2008
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 12:43 pm
GRETCHEN MAKING OUT WITH JAY There is a post over at jokers with a link to a picture of gretchen and this jay guy making out and I mean tongue swapping making out. Clearly noted in the pic is the ring from jeff on her finger. Now for someone who wasn't seeing him while jeff was alive or not seeing anyone after he died she sure seems to be enjoying sucking face with that guy.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 12:49 pm
A few thoughts on this season and the bitter side confrontation show. Gretchen and Jeff were together for 2 years and did a show on HGTV for a backyard makeover before the OC came to them via Jenna who sold Jeff another home. Jeff seemed very happy about his arrangement with Gretchen or he could have ended it, yet he signed on to OC to probably help Gretchen in some odd way. It didn't seem to me that Tamra nor Vicki ever met him so why do they think they can judge their relationship or agreement. Why did the caller to Tamra have her personal phone number and why did she not hang up on him? Why did Vicki defend drinking with her children yet provide a keg at her sons dorm and have a segment showing her son having a pool/drinking party at home while she was away and where was Donn? Rumor was that she and Donn separated and he was at the filming per contract and they are now in counseling. Tamra is a train wreak that the show has found a goldmine with obvious jealousy of Gretchen. She's on the verge of hatred towards her for being younger and possibly the deserving edit she (Tamra)received. I still cant understand her problem about her fathers divorce as an adult when she did the same thing to her own children. Denying her sons behavior towards women doesn't speak to well of her. Jeana seems medicated and a pot stirrer when it amuses her, something she may have learned while in an abusive marriage and now excuses an abusive son. Lynn may be trying to be a friend instead of a mother but Vicki and Tamra didn't even try to get to know her and her off the wall humor. She came back at them rather fast with the brightest bulb and Einstein comment. Jeana again was the one that recommended her for the show and she probably wanted it for her bracelet placement plus the show fee reported to be 100k per season 3 hours a week minimum. All in all I will continue to watch as it amazes me to watch the editing. Conversations are with dinner in front of them then desert then back to dinner sometimes that's the funniest thing to watch. Plus it makes me feel normal.
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Alliet
Member
07-11-2005
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 1:13 pm
Wondering what the big deal is about Gretchen kissing another man. She's single. we saw her wearing the engagement ring on the show last night even though Jeff is not gone so her wearing the ring proves nothing. Anyway, what does it matter if she is kissing another man now?
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Thesnark
Member
09-27-2008
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 3:12 pm
1. From what I remember from lasts night show, she said that she isn't seeing anyone since jeff died. Please correct if wrong. 2. She said he was an old bf b4 jeff and since is just a family friend. Anyone that sees that pic will see that it was just a kiss. It full on tongue swapping kiss. 3. I could have cared less about it but she was the one who denied all and now it appears otherwise. She should have just owned up to it. You own it and be true and no controversy. And for the inevitable rebuttal of it's not for us to judge or it's not our business. All the housewives signed on the dotted line and get paid very well to put their "personal lives" on a "reality" tv show for the world to see. So whether it's cheating or wearing some ugly shoes, it's all open for debate.
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 3:18 pm
i will say...i want one of those shirts. it's the corniest thing ever...but i would just want to take a picture in one. lmao.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 3:26 pm
Personally, I think Tamra has a problem with anyone who is beautiful enough to steal her title of "Hottest Housewife."
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 3:35 pm
Gretchen is single and can do what she wants. I bet you anything that Jeff knew about any side fling she may have had. The other man Jay seems like psycho IMO! a lot still doesn't make sense.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 4:05 pm
reading gretchens face last night the feeling i got was that she was stunned that tamra would out her secret relationship like that. after seeing the pic i believe it even more. tamra has acted very bitter and jealous all season. lynne, i see no reason for the show to bring her back for a 5th season. she will either be replaced by someone new or laurie will be back. vicki, the reason the show has jumped the shark for me is my reaction to vicki. i used to get in here and comment on the ridiculous things she did on the show but now im just indifferent to her anymore.
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Alliet
Member
07-11-2005
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 4:09 pm
Tamra is far from the hottest HW. What was with that straw hair last night? You'd think they could afford quality hair products. It was teased to within an inch of life. Vicki actually looked nice last night and younger than Tamra. I do agree with those that say that Tamra is jealous of Gretchen being younger and more natural. I don't see what Tamra's problem is. She has a nice family, her husband seems to love her, she lives a very comfortable life. It just seems empty.
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Alliet
Member
07-11-2005
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 4:09 pm
Oh, another thing. That tongue thing looked like a pose. Regardless, she may have kissed a man but not be in a relationship with him. She's an adult.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 4:27 pm
For Becki: Link to buy the T-Shirt When was the reunion show filmed? Perhaps it has been a few weeks and things have changed for Gretchen and she now wants to kiss again. Also, regarding her not knowing Florence Nightengale or All About Eve...she's only 30. I'm certain sure MY kids wouldn't get those references either.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 5:04 pm
More Gretchen garbage saw this link on jokers http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20090224-ENTERTAIN-90224053 broken hearted ex lover or stalker?? interesting that slade may be living with her
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 5:24 pm
beek, i had to ask my mom about those people because i had no idea who they were and i'm 24. don't get me wrong, i had heard of florence nightengale, but i didn't know anything about her. and different people get over things differently. maybe that is how Gretchen is trying to get over jeff by dating. it is like if tamra wouldn't have moved on that quickly, nobody else could. everyone grieves differently. anyways, what she has done after jeff is none of tamra's business and in fact...it is none of her business during their relationship.
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 5:27 pm
oh and i call bs about jay and lie detector tests. somebody could easily pass a lie detector and still be lying. and if that photo is from new's year eve 08-09...that's after jeff. probably not the smartest picture to use to prove that they had been together before jeff's death. whatever...
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