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Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 7:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sadiesmom
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03-13-2002

Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 10:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sadiesmom a private message Print Post    
well, that was interesting

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 5:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
By Tn's response, I'm guessing neither Tsai or Tio made it to the finale? If so, NOOOOOOOOOO!

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 5:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
I was not a fan of that result AT ALL!!!!! I can absolutely see how Canora made it, but Forgione over Tsai and Tio? COME ON!!

And another thing - Tsai and Tio were the only two chefs that I felt demonstrated the kind of calm and confidence that are the hallmarks of the Iron Chefs who already work in kitchen stadium. Canora and Forgione are nervous wrecks, even though Canora apparently manages to pull off spectacular dishes. Maybe Canora will calm down after he wins this competition but he hasn't so far.

Forgione seems to me like he has not yet arrived, although he's knocking on the door. I wouldn't put him in the ranks of Cat Cora or Masaharu Morimoto. He may be an Iron Chef for another year, but not this one.

Just wondering what happened here. On the one hand I'm glad Tsai wasn't given a free pass, but what on earth were they judging last night? Were they just judging the three dishes in front of them, or were they judging on each competitor's overall performance to date? Were they judging on the authority each of the chefs brought to their work, or were they just sampling the dishes in front of them?

The comment one judge made about Tio just was not true - they said she didn't excel with ingredients she didn't like. Remember the hot sauce transformation? She kicked ass, even her fellow competitors agreed.

Tsai made a couple of big missteps in the past few weeks - the pho last week and the lard dish this week (although the lard dish is arguable, Symon loved it and felt it was well executed. The other two judges just didn't like it but they didn't indicate that it wasn't well executed for what it was. Were they just judging on what they themselves like? Because the "I just don't like pineapple" standard really doesn't do justice to a perfectly executed dish.). With being middle of the pack most of the rest of the season I can kind of see where they would knock him out. Maybe they didn't think his range was wide enough or that his spectacular dishes were sufficiently spectacular to overcome his missteps. I dunno, but he's clearly a giant in the industry and a highly respected expert in his field. He brings stature to the plate, unlike the rest of them. Should that necessarily get him to the final? No, but it definitely should have vaulted him past Forgione.

Very annoyed with this outcome. Very annoyed.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 5:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Costa, Canora cooked circles around all of them last night he won both competitions. Tio, Forgione and Tsai each had terrific moments and missteps. Tsai and Tio were knocked out. Forgione had another elementary misstep - his ravioli pasta was too thick, and the judges all commented on it. Coupled with his salty veal last week and his middle-of-the-pack performances, I thought for sure he was toast last night.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 6:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
http://www.foodnetwork.com/contact-us/package/index.html

I thought Canora burned the beef - one judge commented, and they kept going to the burned beef - Forgione messed the pasta, not only was it thick at one point the judge said it wasnt cooked thru -

I am done with this show - one thing either Forgione or Canora will fit in with Symon and Garces, but its not the direction I want to watch. so I'm done.

posted the email for comments to Food Network, with a drop down menu for the specific show -

Redpen
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07-24-2003

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 8:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redpen a private message Print Post    
Well, what were they thinking? I watched a video of Chef Tsai the other day on our local PBS station. He is obviously experienced and respected in his field.

Why would they pick those other 2 for the final? Don't they care about the Iron Chef "brand"? It doesn't make sense.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Reader, you are right about Canora burning the wagyu I forgot about that, and Tio would have won the first competition if she'd voted for herself (she believed she had the best dish/cocktail combo but refused to vote for herself on general principle). Canora thus got the advantage and made it a point to take from Tsai the wagyu that he had been assigned in the first place (I have found his need to step on Tsai whenever possible to be overweening and tiresome. Tsai has always been gracious and focused on what he himself is offering, not busy trying to diminish the efforts of the other competitors. For this reason I doubt I will ever warm up to Canora).

They boned "Next Food Network Star." I shouldn't be surprised they've boned this competition too.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I have to agree. Their choice for the two finalists has made me completely uninterested in watching the finale. No way Forgione can win, and Canora's crazy behavior will be a poor fit on Iron Chef.

What were they thinking indeed. Blech.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Comments following articles on this debacle seem to agree that the powers that be were intent on finding a replacement for Batali in his New York/Italian slot.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 10:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Well, that's not right then. It was fixed from the start and that's very disappointing.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 10:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I absolutely hate how Canora constantly had to put in his digs to Tsai. I thought his attitude was wrong from the get-go.

If they were looking for a Batali replacement, then why go thru the charade of a competition? I'm sure all the other chefs had plenty to do than waste their time on a competition that they never had a chance to win.

I'm not a fan of Forgione and I don't understand how all three judges thought his pasta dough was bad, yet he stayed over the 2 judges who thought Tsai's lardo was bad.

And finally, I do think the outcome was a bit sexist. Tio could have, and should have, replaced Forgione if they were damned and determined to ditch Tsai.

GAL, I'm not sure how they were judging... they seemed to comment on whether they thought the chefs could "bring it" to Kitchen Stadium, but then it appeared that they just debated about the last meal.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Well, if I have to have Canora as my chef, I choose to invite Tsai and Tio as my dinner guests! They have both charm and smarts -

Nickovtyme
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07-28-2004

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
I'm not watching the finale with this final 2. Even with editing Canora came across as unlikable and pretty much proverbially threw every other constetant under the proverbial bus. Most notably Chef Tsai.

Iron Chef America won't benefit with him on it and I won't watch the nights he battles.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, November 15, 2010 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
They pretty much ensured that no one would like Canora with his edit - and if this is what they showed of him, what didn't they show? Makes you wonder who's calling the shot at Food Network. It's not like we're going to root for underdog Forgione, no one thinks he should be in the finals.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 5:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Food Network took the one guy who didn't win the Next Food Network Star and gave him his own show (can't remember his name). Anyone thinking that TFN put Tsai on to get his face back out there, and that their plan all along was to give him his own show in the end anyway? Just food for thought.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 6:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I'd actually prefer that... I really enjoyed watching him cook when he was on PBS ages ago.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 11:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Huk, his name is Tom. Don't remember his last name. but I have watched his show and he is great. Much better than the winner whose name I can't recall right now. I made myself watch her show a couple of times and I was bored stiff.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 8:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I don't mind his show, but don't love it. My point was only that I'm going to guess that Tsai will have his show regardless of how it appears that he was eliminated.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 9:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
but but but - - - I used to love watching Iron Chef... since Symon, nope, not so much - I loved the fun Batoli brought, but I get that he had to move on - but in no way was/is Symon or Garces chefs of the quality I expect of an Iron Chef... and I still say Symon has NO business judging the next iron chef!

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, November 19, 2010 - 10:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Huk, I don't care so much for the show itself, but I really like Tom. I just wish he was cooking and not just doing a host type of thing.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 8:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I think Symon has the best record of all the Iron Chefs.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 7:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
I'm going to watch this tonight but I'm going to be enraged the whole time. I don't know how they could award this to Canora he is too frakkin frenetic in the kitchen. And I don't know how they could award this to Forgione under any circumstances.

Any way you look at it Iron Chef is losing stature tonight.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Oh, and a "Next Iron Chef" marathon starts at 1:30 eastern and continues through the finale tonight. Maybe I can be reminded of a few things I forgot about Forgione that might make it acceptable for him to be in the finals.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 6:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Forgione cooked up a storm with his usual calm. Canora did his usual freaking out while cooking what looks like a good meal, too. This episode is pretty funny it's worth watching just to hear Alton Brown dealing with Canora.