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Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Thanks for responding Keldogg, do you know who pays her that much for an appearance? Same people who are voting for her? lol

Crazy world we live in.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Denecee...She just started in May, and I have only found 2 speaking engagements so far. However, combine those together and that's as much as some families make in a year.

Hearbeat International Conference (Heartbeat International® is the first network of pro-life pregnancy resource centers in the U.S. and the most expansive in the world.)

Lifehouse (a home for single mothers in Louisville KY...they got a bargain, only paid $14,000)

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
From what I remember there have been contestants that negotiate their appearance on DWTS fees - there is a "base" salary - and of course then come negotiations.. I remember that being a hot button one year, when one of the stars was pegged for winning - and she did win - but again... it comes back to Jimmer's point -

and yet I still watch, somehow they find a way to "hook' me for another season...

I do believe that this season beyond any other season has either highlighted a "loophole" or spotlighted that the judges scores really dont matter.... (I dont know why I thought it was just a matter of first 2nd 3rd place in the judges rankings and then the same for the voters ranking - somehow combined to a final 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc ranking)

and finally every "star" has a "speaking" fee - as long as there are people/places that pay the fee, I dont begrudge them at all - I did find it interesting when one of the discussions on Sarah's fees had to do with she would command a higher fee if she hinted or said she was thinking about a run for the white house (other politicians have also done this - it was based on those figures) So there is a supply and demand type thing going on -

I was very appalled with the language on the FB - but what Kar was saying, putting it into context of teenage trash talking - is different than taking it out of context and analyzing how it should be (because no one is saying that language is acceptable - the filter that teenagers have doesnt exist and Willow just wanted to use the most offensive word she could come up with to get her point across - I know her FB was taken down, hopefully she doesnt get a new one under a new name for awhile - consequences and all that)

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
If it should be all about the dancing, why do they put people on these shows who obviously have no chance of winning? It's not just DWTS that does it. Amazing Race, Hell's Kitchen and a whole bunch of shows do it.

Jimmer, it's an impossible question to answer.

It can't be possible for the judges to fairly judge apples to oranges (no experience vs some experience vs dancing background), yet as a competition, the scores of all teams are compared weekly as if they ARE comparing apples to oranges.

But I also know I've heard the judges talk about improvements some dancers make, so I think in some way shape or form, they compare a pair of dancers this week with how they've improved from weeks prior. No proof of this, but if not, why do they continually talk about improvements made?

They probably bring some oranges in to dance amongst the apples because it causes controversy just like we see here on this board. Controversy equals ratings.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
If we automatically assume that certain contestants shouldn't win then it is all rather pointless isn't it?


I'll attempt. No one is *automatically* assuming some people shouldn't win, unless after several weeks, they show less improvement than others.

So, no, it's not pointless. I'm not precogniciant (sp?) enough to know who has a chance and who doesn't; and who will improve remarkably (Kyle) and who will improve so-so (Britol), until they go thru the process.

And frankly, some people (Tom Delay comes to mind) know at the outset they have no chance of winning, but just want to see how long they can last; and they value the experience. That's valid too.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
TLC pays the Roloffs $5000 per day that they are filmed...per DAY!

Star Jones charges between $20,000 and $30,000 to come and do a speech

Carson Daly charges anywhere between $30,000 to $50,000

Suzanne Sommers speaks for anywhere between $30,000 to $50,000

Anderson Cooper gets between $50,000 to $100,000

Bill Cosby or Martha Stewart will show up for $100,000 and up

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 3:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
still a crazy world, lol

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Interesting from the Chicago Sun-Times

After Brandy was booted from “Dancing With the Stars” Tuesday night, a solid source at “DWTS” told me, “People here went crazy.

“Not only was everyone stunned that Bristol [Palin] will be in the finals,” the staffer said, “it just made everyone realize the voting system really needs to be changed. This is going to lead to a reworking of the entire voting system.

“There definitely will be a restructuring to give the judges’ votes more weight. ... It’s tricky, because like ‘American Idol,’ the strength of ‘Dancing With the Stars’ popularity is the fact people know they can have an impact. We don’t want to lose that because that could have a detrimental effect on ratings, but this is getting nuts.”

The source stressed that everyone on the show thinks “Bristol is a very nice girl, but this show is about dancing and not politics! Yes, she’s improved greatly — but come on! Brandy is far more talented than Bristol when it comes to dancing.”

• While Brandy put on a good face for the public and on the show, both she and Maks Chmerkov­skiy (her partner) were reportedly “livid” backstage — extremely upset about the outcome. Chmerkov­skiy told E! Online the voting system is “flawed” and added, “This season has just been ridiculous since day one.”

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I wonder how things would have turned out and what Mak the Mouth would have been saying if HE had been Bristol's partner?

Colordeagua
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10-24-2003

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 3:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
I think that's the best that could happen -- rework how much judges' scores count and viewer voting. Make it much more about the dancing and less (but not zero) about popularity.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 3:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I think Maks would agree that Brandy is a better dancer even if Bristol was his partner.

Holly
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07-21-2001

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I do too, Denecee. I think all the professionals would.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I doubt Mak would say a thing if he was Bristol's partner and Mark was Brandy's. He might think it, but he'd ride her wave of votes all the way. Maybe after they were finally eliminated, but not before. I don't think any of the professionals will be caught saying anything negative until Bristol is gone

Jmm
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08-15-2002

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 3:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jmm a private message Print Post    
I liked the time the judges gave two scores, one for technique and one for performance. Maybe they could have them do that each week and allow the popularity (viewer's) vote account for one third of the score instead of half.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Audrina was a better dancer than Brandy and I didn't see Maks going crazy when she was eliminated much too early. While Brandy most likely shouldn't have gone, Maks and Brandy really need to realize that some of the reason Brandy left was his mouth and that people just didn't like her enough to vote for her.

I do hope they rework the system to make it more fair.

You have a great idea, Jmm. A third of the vote for the audience would be better. Sadly this show has become all about ratings, which is why the last few years have been about getting contestants that will cause controversy instead of just contestants who are stars and want to give it a whirl.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 4:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Lajonesin stated:
Cricket, Willow and Bristol went to the guy's page to defend their family. He did not go to their page. They reacted to his status update that SP Alaska was going down hard and no one liked it.

Ahh, thanks for the info, Lajonesin. I was trying to find what was actually said and the article I read made it sound like the boy posted on Willow's facebook. The girls shouldn't even have fallen for this, as the ratings were the highest TLC has ever had. Again, I question what the boy was up to and if he got more than he bargained for. Maybe he was trying to get their attention and wow did he. Yes, it's probably high school stuff, but Willow seems to have a feisty personality, which will not bode well for her teenage years with her Mom and family being in the public eye.

Karuuna, thanks for the info re what's going around in school.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 4:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Isn't Willow already well into her teenage years?

Jmm
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08-15-2002

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 4:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jmm a private message Print Post    
Willow is 16.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 4:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Well, FWIW, even when it's all up to the judges 'we' aren't always happy. Witness Project Runway, and the Next Iron Chef. Sometimes the judges don't get it right either.

But this does seem like a particular travesty, this time.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 4:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
First of all, it's amazing what groups will pay for famous people to show up and give a 30 minute speech.

Second of all, it's amazing what groups will pay for a teenage mother to show up and give a 30 minute speech.

Wonder if any of my patients could score a gig like that :-)

Hypermom
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08-12-2001

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 4:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
Cricket, actually, Maks did comment when Audrina went home....he tweeted:

“WOW America! You got that one wrong! So sad for @TonyDovolani and @AudrinaPatridge . I know how much Tony loved to work with her! Sorry Bro.”

Lardbrick
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01-16-2006

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 4:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lardbrick a private message Print Post    
The judges are there to put pressure on the contestants and give the public a sense of who is good. I don't think their scores are counted towards any of the pairs staying or going or if there is any weight given, it's not much. The outcome is heavily dependent upon America's vote. If they didn't want this to be a popularity contest, why did they structure the voting to be left up to the public?

And Maks is a sore loser, if Bristol was his partner, he would be kissing and hugging her just like he is doing to Brandy! I bet he wishes he was paired up with her so he would still be in the competition!

I think America is rooting for the underdog, not the political connection. Half the Republicans I know have never watched DWTS!!

Lakecat
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10-01-2006

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lakecat a private message Print Post    
True Lardbrick (what a moniker!) and I would say almost 98% of our posters in this thread didnt like Brandy so I imagine the rest of the country feels the same way.Im sure some of it is-that Republicans who like Sarah voted for Bristol, but I think most of it is she got there on her own merit,which was being more likeable than Brandy.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 5:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
In Strictly (the UK version) the judges scores are ranked and the viewers' scores are ranked, then the ranks are added together. They had a problem a couple of seasons ago though, when they were down to lower numbers they realised there was no way the viewers could get the person with the bottom judges' ranking out of the bottom two (and the judges choose which of the bottom two go). Since then they've tweaked the scoring but I don't think they've released how the new system works.

Which brings up another option - have the combined viewers' plus judges' scores give the bottom two, then have them dance again and the judges choose which of the bottom two goes. The judges tend to hate this though (they stopped it this year on Strictly) but to my mind it's a lot fairer.


And I think they have the little talent people in at the beginning to give the average and more skilled people a chance to shine. If everyone was ok at the beginning, then it might be pretty random on who goes, whereas if there are a few patsies in there, it gives the others a few weeks to improve and find out if they have talent or not.


One year on Strictly there was a guy in his 60s who was ok(ish) on the ballroom dances but awful on the Latin. He was a news reporter, but very popular outside of the show due to spots on comedy talk shows and almost had a bit of a cult following. His Paso Doble (link below) was quite something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urb0dpHJX2w

Anyway, I'm rambling, but he got so far because he was so awful he was funny, and in the end decided to drop out, because he said "there was a real danger I might win the competition, and even for me that would be a joke too far." This year there's someone similar, and she's vowed not to drop out.

Madelane
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08-20-2001

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 6:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Madelane a private message Print Post    
I only had the chance to watch the elimination show on DVR tonight and I went back to see if anyone discussed the dancers during Annie Lennox's songs, and I didn't see much at all (no surprise!). I recognized Brandon from SYTYCD in the first dance but I don't think I knew the female? It was amazing nonetheless.

And the second song - was it just me or is there a tiny chance at least one of those great dancers was a transvestite? Just innocently asking.