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Kitt
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09-06-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I can't remember if Lacey has got to the final before... I wonder how good her freestyle will be against Derek's and Mark's, as we know they have had some pretty inspired choreography. Kyle shines when he's doing fast steps like the jive.

btw I read the other day he'd lost eight inches from his waist! amazing!


Lilfair, autobot voting has always affected other shows, but in this case I think most people assume that because they are told they only have n votes per phoneline/email/text that that's all they get, so I think this voting, particularly as the bulk of the cheating seems to be coming from people with no interest in DWTS, is an exception.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I thought it was going to be between Jennifer and Brandy, but obviously if they want to make Jennifer the obvious winner they had to eliminate her competition. Too bad because Brandy losing to that Palin woman's daughter shows me this competition is fixed...

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Every year we have a controversy over a contestant...it is just this year that the contestant has gone as far as the finale.

The fact is that I am not a fan of Bristol's dancing and truly believe that she is in no way a natural dancer (and I really don't care that much about her lifestyle). I think this is a wake-up call to the show that things might need to be changed. It is an embarrassment to the show when a dancer who has very little natural ability gets this far. That's just my opinion and I know we can debate it all day long, but I think that at this point in the show the best dancers usually shine out and I don't think that happened this season.

Yes, you can point out Emmitt Smith - he definitely wasn't a better dancer than Mario Lopez (and neither was the little gymnast girl a better dancer than the person...was it Giles Marini?...she was in the finals with), but they both had a great deal of personal charm and likeability, plus they were fundamentally graceful and good dancers. Just my opinion, but I don't find Bristol particularly charming nor do I find her a good dancer.

Having said that, congratulations for her getting into the finale. She certainly showed 'em, didn't she?

Lakecat
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10-01-2006

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 11:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lakecat a private message Print Post    
Roxip from your above post,are you suggesting then,that the viewers vote should be done away with?

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I have to say, that if dancing ability doesn't matter at all, they ought to just call it Popularity of This Group of People?

Yes, you can vote for whomever you would like to. But yes, the show is about dancing, and when someone gets to the finals, who is really not a very good dancer at all, it doesn't service the show well - it is a DANCING competition.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
It's the same with American Idol. Popularity contest.

However, I am utterly ashamed at the right wing turning this into a political platform. Not good, not ok, and embarrassing, IMO.

Although, I imagine anyone with political ties, either side, would get the same kind of attention.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Reader stated:
In the final show - does the judges eliminate one of the 3? or is it all america's vote?

Great question, Reader. I can't remember, but I sure hope so. Does anyone remember if the judges eliminate one of the F3?

Re Willow (Bristol didn't say those names) this guy came to HER facebook page to bash her Mom's (and her) new show. She gave him whatfor; however, I wish she could have done it w/o using that language. It was not right. Does this language make the rounds in high schools these days? I hope her parents come down hard on her. I don't know what this boy was trying to accomplish when he came to her facebook.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
I have read though many pages.

What I am not seeing is dicussion about Jennifer Gray's comment, snippet that 'when she was{FIRST} contacted about being on DWTS', she then went and had surgery on her neck.

How many years ago was she asked? How long did she have to prepare?

Not a voter. I don't even usually read these threads. Just a viewer of the show (and many others). So from the outside I thougth it was between Jenn and Brandi. Now Brandi is out.

Kyle and Bristol, both look scared.

I see Bristol improving.
I see Kyle lumbering along. (Yes after reading several pages, I still think he lumbers.)
I see Jennifer as graceful, but wonder about the not professionally trained status.

If you can wait, have surgery, recover, you have time to have private dance training.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Although, I imagine anyone with political ties, either side, would get the same kind of attention.

Not Tom Delay... lol

Does this language make the rounds in high schools these days?

Sadly, it does. My DS never uses it around me, but I know he and his friends all do, when parents aren't around.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Mummy, Jennifer said she was asked several seasons ago but a doctor told her her neck wasn't up to it, then she decided to go ahead and have the surgeries late last year and the beginning of this year. I don't know how long it takes to recuperate from neck surgery and the removal of a cancerous thyroid, but I don't see her being up to much for a few months. All the celebs start training in August, and must have negotiated contracts at least a month(?? I'm guessing), and I suspect some longer, e.g. Florence, before that so she wouldn't have much of a head start, if any.

Lajonesin
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03-22-2008

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lajonesin a private message Print Post    
Cricket, Willow and Bristol went to the guy's page to defend their family. He did not go to their page. They reacted to his status update that SP Alaska was going down hard and no one liked it.

I actually read the entire rant on his page and it wasn't pretty. A lot of cursing and name-calling but hey, she is 16. But Bristol should be old enough to know better. She made fun of a guy for being fat and when he told her it was due to steroids he is forced to take for Crohn's disease, she never apologized. But all these kids know each other from school so I'm inclined to say it's just a school-yard argument that the public should stay out of.

As for her dancing, of course she has gotten better but they all have, according to their skills. She seems to think she should be given credit for improving the most but it isn't Dancing Better with the Stars so I disagree. The winner should be whomever dances the best, period. I think all the people trying to get her bounced by voting for Kyle was what got Brandy eliminated though. The finale is gonna be lame now as everyone knows Jennifer is clearly the best dancer. Who is her competition?

Beachcomber
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08-26-2003

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beachcomber a private message Print Post    
I am looking forward to seeing the choreography of the freestyles because I am always impressed by Mark, Derek, and Lacey's routines. They are very talented and I find myself watching them more than their partners. Love her or dislike her, Lacey can move and hang with Mark and Derek in the dance department.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
If it should be all about the dancing, why do they put people on these shows who obviously have no chance of winning? It's not just DWTS that does it. Amazing Race, Hell's Kitchen and a whole bunch of shows do it.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
I don't know how long it takes to recuperate from neck surgery Actually, it can take up to a year or more, with substantial physical therapy, to have full recovery after neck surgery.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Just as an FYI, while I bet ABC is wriggling in their seats about all this controversy, I've been hearing a LOT of people saying that this is the end of this show for them. Last season with what's her name (the reality mom) and this season with Bristol (granted reality mom didn't make it to the finale but didn't she last longer than she should've?).

At any rate, while ABC may be ecstatic, I think they've lost some viewers. And they may regret doing what they've done these past 2 seasons.

Jenjackso
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02-10-2009

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jenjackso a private message Print Post    
It surprises me what words children use these days in public ways. One of my teens has had to erase language from their Facebook that others use. I don't think that their parents monitor that like I do. But, they don't seem to think anything of using homophobic slurs as jokes.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I hope Bristol is not getting $15,000.00 to speak to teen girls about abstinence!! If that is true, she did not need the money from DWTS! Who would pay $15,000? Please tell me this is not true.

Jennifer for the win!! I always am nervous watching her dance knowing what we know about her neck! EEEK! and OUCH!

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
I watched last season just to see reality mom dance. It was great entertainment for me. I stopped watching after she left, it was my first time watching DWTS.

This year I tuned in to watch the Palin daughter thinking it would be as entertaining as the reality mom was. To my surprise the Palin daughter was a pretty good dancer. But not nearly as good as Brandy.

I guess I'm the exact person DWTS are aiming for when they bring on the folks that are tabloid fodder.

But allowing cheating has turned me off, certainly ABC knew the voting system was flawed and didn't do anything about it.

SO, next year I'm not even going to bother seeing who the contestants will be. I'm off of DWTS!

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 1:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
DWTS still consistently wins the ratings race on Monday night, and viewership has held steady throughout this season.

So, the question will be - do the judges' scores mean anything? If it's so easy to overcome them with "popularity?"

I honestly don't know what this means for the show, but it seems to be that if Bristol wins, that would not be good for the show's credibility. And what other stars would want to go on? They already have trouble getting people commit to it, because it is so demanding. Now, if they don't think they have an overwhelming fan base, will they bother?

Lazylu
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04-09-2010

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 1:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lazylu a private message Print Post    
Dovez, I think you posts have been very interesting and I have enjoyed them.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
The thing I find suspect this year is that the judges usually deliberately score a dancer significantly lower when they are trying to get rid of him or her. That hasn't happened in Bristol's case the last few weeks...even though she is not nearly as good a dancer as Brandy and Jennifer (okay, I know I'm going to get blasted here but she's just not!). I agree she's improved but so have all the others, and most of them to a greater, more proficient degree.

I don't know what they should do (a better job of casting the show for a start). I don't think the viewers vote should be done away with, but I think that the judge's scores should be given a higher percentage (60/40?) of credibility. After all, they are supposed to be professional judges.

So You Think You Can Dance does it kind of backwards...they factor in judges analysis and viewer's votes until they get down to a smaller number of dancers and then it is just viewer's votes. In some ways that system allows them to select the best dancers and avoid having less able dancers get through to the finale.

I'm not sure, but I don't like seeing better dancers go home. That's just my opinion, I'm not asking anyone to substitute my judgment or thoughts for mine because I have no qualifications...LOL!

I also don't want to fight or defend myself nonstop because it gets tedious.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
"I hope Bristol is not getting $15,000.00 to speak to teen girls about abstinence!!"

Actually, that is the low end of her scale...she charges between $15,000 and $30,000, depending on the appearance.

So, I'm trying to figure out how to be 18, single and be a baby mama so that I can collect that kind of money!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I guess no one will attempt to answer my question?

If we automatically assume that certain contestants shouldn't win then it is all rather pointless isn't it?

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Kar, I dunno about future contestants, but the expressions of the other dancers and pros as it was announced Brandy was leaving was very telling. I almost got the feeling of "why are we even going to bother if SHE got kicked off"?

(And no, I didn't watch the show. Unfortunately, the announcement has been airing ad nauseum and it's been impossible to miss.)

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I agree she's improved but so have all the others, and most of them to a greater, more proficient degree

And this is part of the problem, IMO. To go from almost absolute incompetence to passably moving around the floor with a degree of grace, as with Mark's partner, looks like a lot of improvement, but going from moving around the floor gracefully to dancing at a relatively high level, as with Jennifer and Brandy, doesn't look like a huge change, but it is.