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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 10:37 pm
See I don't see these women as a sick group at all. I see real folks with flaws. Ramona drinks and blurts out stuff, Bethenny is snarky, Sonja is a sad divorcee that manages to maintain a smile and cheerful attitude, and Alex, love her too death. Alex is a timid but very intelligent lady and I love the relationship blooming between her and Bethenny. I love BARS because they aren't perfect but they all reeled in the drama when it was very clear that Kelly was having some sort of crisis.
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Oliviamimi
Member
05-30-2009
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 4:18 am
I am more curious as to what happens next week. In Alex's blog she hinted that it would be even more explosive and shocking than this past week. LuAnn mentions Kelly being confused and unable to explain the situation to her at lunch. Maybe we will get some answers this week.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 6:30 am
Remember what Kelly said earlier in the season about PR 101? That all press is good press? Kelly is all about the publicity. She's said from the beginning that she came on the show to get her name out there for "charitable" purposes. She can't get her name out there, if she doesn't get any air time. She's even challenged her twitter followers to get their friends to follow her, and she will donate $1000 (a whole $1000, wow!) in the name of the 30,000th follower. Bethenny has 161,000 followers, Kelly has 22,000. No wonder she's begging for more. In earlier interviews this season, Jill said some of the women were told to ramp up the drama in order to stay on the show. I assumed she was talking about Alex, since there were rumors about Alex and Simon not being invited back for the a fourth season (not that I think Alex was ramping up the drama). Now I'm wondering if she was referring to Kelly? Kelly was perhaps the most boring and least liked housewife last season. Perhaps she sees this overly dramatic, irrational vendetta against Bethenny as a way to stay on the show. Unfortunately, Kelly is neither smart enough nor mature enough to pull it off. She allows her real jealousy about Bethenny get in the way of her bid for attention, so she can't control her ravings, and she comes off looking nuts. But good or bad, she got the press. And now she's spinning it to say she was ganged up on from the beginning of the trip. I expect her to pull out PR 102 (or try to anyway) at the reunion show, and be all fake sweetness and light. (She's already tweeted to all of the NJ wives for their support, even though none of them have supported her on Twitter). I expect her to be as successful at that as she was at being the center of attention. The bit about her leaving was in my spoiler above from the cable programming guide, which said the women weren't surprised to wake up to find Kelly was gone. No idea whether she left on her own or was asked to leave. I doubt we will ever know.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 7:02 am
The sad thing about Kelly is that at the beginning of the season it appeared that she was going to try to improve her image over last year. She seemed to start out with that intent, and I vaguely recall her saying something along those lines. Things really degenerated quickly, didn't they? I'm not sure she's all about garnering cam time. But that woman is going to have some serious damage control to do in the not too very distant future. Not all publicity is good publicity no matter what anyone says. Negative publicity works only for people who are already well liked. Kelly does not fall into that group. BTW, I'm tired of her yawing on and on about "charitable causes." Last I saw, she's not big on making donations (she's not listed on Feeding America's site) and if she's going to donate $1000 to her 30,000th twitter follower? That's laughable. I donated that much already this year to various charities and I am no where near the "rich housewife" she is purported to be. I think THAT, the "charitable causes" thing, is what she's using to get publicity.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 7:22 am
Costa, ITA with you.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 7:30 am
Lurk, I think the difference with Bethenny is that she admitted from the beginning that she was emotionally raw from just losing her father and also from the pregnancy hormones. Most people would cut her some slack on those counts alone. When she and Kelly got into it at breakfast, yes, it is true that she poked at a rude comment that Kelly had made the day before (actually, she was poking at the ho-bag part, and in what universe do you call a fellow house guest a ho-bag, even if it is true?). But in the end it was Bethenny that walked away from the situation. I would not call that "equally mean" with Kelly.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 7:36 am
I also do not buy that everyone was ganging up on Kelly. Sonja in particular was very sweet to Kelly, and Kelly could have had a great vacation ignoring Bethenny and hanging with Sonja. Also, I think that Ramona was basically focused on showing everyone a good time and Alex is at the very least polite unless provoked over and over. Bethenny and Kelly are not a great mix, but Kelly knew that Bethenny would be there and chose to go.
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Oliviamimi
Member
05-30-2009
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 7:50 am
I am still curious about the comment she made about Gwyneth Paltrow being her friend. Has that been substantiated anywhere? A few of the other things she said still puzzle me. What does the satchels of gold statement mean and when exactly did she say it? I missed that part. Obviously she thought < You can't handle the truth> statement was made by Al Sharpton. So she was simply confused about that. I wish I would stop trying to figure her out! I am always trying to fix people. It is hard for me to let a matter be.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 7:58 am
RE: satchels of gold, after that breakfast argument with Bethenny, Bethenny said, are we all watching the same movie?, Kelly said you are in a horror movie I am in a Disney movie and Sonja said We need to change the channel on this movie and then Kelly said 'Satchels of Gold'. I googled satchels of gold because I thought maybe it was a movie reference to a movie I had not seen, but the only thing that I found were a couple of articles written by bloggers making fun of Kelly for using the phrase. They (one blogger in particular) were tying it in with leprechauns somehow, but I didn't get that reference either.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 8:00 am
Olivia, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt as far as knowing Gwyneth Paltrow. Their paths could have crossed in NYC.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 9:56 am
Ok I watched the 2nd half last night (I swear I need a break from these toxic women when watching...how sad is that?!). I was too pooped to post lol. I don't really disagree with anything I said so far about this ep. First, sure Kelly was whacked. But let's talk about editing. When she said that bizarre "satchels of gold" it was clearly cut right before that. It made it appear like she was saying random things. I for one would have liked to have heard exactly what she said in full. And yeah she ranted and rambled, but most of it IMHO could be attributed to her just not being an eloquent or intelligent speaker. I think some of us forget what it feels like in reality. How would you feel if you were in a foreign country, in a house with folks who ALL were bad mouthing you, not only behind your back but to your face?? Was Sonia the kindest to her? Ok sure. But I'm sorry, to say someone is insane we have to understand, while making the universal crazy simple of the circle round the side of the head, as she is RIGHT THERE, isn't so kind IMHO. At one point they all screamed at her she is insane, crazy, out of her mind and in need of help. This was after Bethanny went at her several times unrelentless as is her style. I think she felt threatened, hated it, and fought back, albiet poorly. Mostly she was rude (cell phone, not just leaving) but most of the time what she said made some sense in it's badly spoken way. And how interesing that only Kelly got the totally raw filet w/a string still on it LOLOL. I do wonder how much of this the producers are pushing on. IE are they prodding them to stay in one room at times? Did they push the waiter to serve her the one with the string? And so on. I wouldn't put it past them. I saw plenty of fault to go around. But my bottom line is 4 against 1, all barking that you are insane and need help is NOT a positive no matter how you spin it. IMHO Kelly needs to get off that show and away from these women ASAP!!!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 9:58 am
PS Alisons...it's easy to walk away once you start a war and poke at said hornet's nest. I don't give B ANY props for that. She got to poke poke poke THEN say in a superior way, well I'll walk away. How would you feel if someone did that to you? Think about it. BTW I find it ironic I'm defending Kelly, since I never liked her at all and honestly still don't. But in this case I feel she is being made to look OVERLY bad and the really mean actions of the other HW's are being condoned.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 10:07 am
Why shouldn't Bethenny have "poked" back after being called a ho-bag the night before? What adult calls another that? And the "you're a cook not a chef" comment from Kelly was meant to cut Bethenny down. Bethenny herself doesn't seem concerned with the title, but Kelly knew exactly how to put it to get her dig in. Kelly gets no pass from me.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 10:29 am
Huk, I'm not saying that Kelly didn't say mean things. But if you think someone is really crazy (as they all say she is), and if you were on vacation and wanted to create a peaceful and FUN environment, what would the smart/sane thing be to do? 1) leave the crazy person alone 2) don't stand over that person making crazy symbols to the head 3) don't provoke crazy person 4) when crazy person leaves the room, let her go! 5) do NOT badger and poke at crazy person 6) when enough is enough, if she won't leave, and you are in a HUGE mansion, just walk away and go somewhere else politely. So that is what I don't get. Feel free to substitute "crazy person" with troubled person, troublesome person, problem person ETC. IMHO it's the same for all! But the HW couldn't let it just be. So I stand by that if you poke at hornet's nest, don't complain about the sting. Even if the nest is where you want to be. Just go somewhere else. It's common sense to me. And to directly answer your question. Why shouldn't Bethanny have poked back? Well if she honestly wants peace and no problems, and honestly wants nothing to do with Kelly, THAT is why! You choose peace or you choose to fight in life. Period! She repeatedly said she made one choice, but repeatedly did the other. That is why IMHO.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 10:33 am
I thought the satchels of gold comment had something to do with chasing rainbows. I just couldn't figure it out. As far as "foreign country", sorry but the US Virgin Islands is a US territory. You don't even need a passport. I don't think Kelly even caught the references to being crazy. Honestly, who throws herself onto the bed in tears because someone gives you a lovely gift -- a monogrammed beach bag with goodies in it? Kelly also switched from dreaming about Bethenny killing her to saying Bethenny was always trying to kill her. If she was so uncomfortable, she could ask to leave. Instead she ran into the kitchen and then returned, all the while slamming jelly bellies or whatever. Bethenny created a lovely dinner as a gift for Ramona, and all Kelly could do was badmouth everything. From what I've seen, Kelly is not a food critic and from watching the rest of the guests enjoying their lovely meal, Kelly really has no business attempting to be one. She was downright rude during the dinner to Bethenny. I'm with Hukd. Sorry, Kelly doesn't get a free pass from me.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 10:35 am
Oh yeah, forgot to mention. The bit where Ramona was genuinely trying to apologize to Bethenny and Kelly took off onto a whole other level? Seriously, if you can defend Kelly during that scene, then I want to know what rainbows you live on. Kelly went from butting in to claiming to know everything to declaring that anything Ramona and Bethenny were going to do they were going to do it "with tongue." No comments on Kelly's sanity, but what NORMAL person would act like that or say those things? That's not even lack of intelligence. I don't know what that was but that was the worst scene of the evening.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 10:39 am
Costa, that was the part that blew me away as well. You could see Ramona genuinely feels bad for Bethenney and everything she's been through with her Dad and being pregnant and she was sincerely trying to apologize, but Kelly took it somewhere else entirely.
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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 10:40 am
"See I don't see these women as a sick group at all. I see real folks with flaws. Ramona drinks and blurts out stuff, Bethenny is snarky, Sonja is a sad divorcee that manages to maintain a smile and cheerful attitude, and Alex, love her too death. Alex is a timid but very intelligent lady. " Well put, Shenangon! The point at which I disagree is when it comes to Bethenny. The woman is beyond snarky and is just as mean as Jill but is being edited to be sold by Bravo. That just bugs the heck out of me. "I saw plenty of fault to go around. But my bottom line is 4 against 1, all barking that you are insane and need help is NOT a positive no matter how you spin it." So true. I also hope Alex gets away from the group.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 10:44 am
Here Costa, pull up a seat on MY rainbow...where I'm NOT saying Kelly is right at all. I'm just saying all the others, esp Bethanny, contributed to the situation in a major way rather than diffuse it. Now, was Kelly right to butt in then? OF COURSE NOT! But at that point it was like trying to reason with a child who was throwing a tantrum. It just won't work. So do you, the allegedly sane one, stand there and do that, or repeatedly call them crazy, make crazy signs and yell at them? Fuel meet fire. THAT is my point! Again, I don't esp like Kelly. I just think to be FAR away from home (forgive me if it's tech US soil, it's still a very far away island), and have every single person against you and calling you nasty names is NOT a fun situation or how to calm things down. And understanding this doesn't in any way give Kelly a free pass. It just takes said pass away from the other women!!!
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 10:49 am
Bethenny may be snarky, but I LOL at nearly everything she says. I love it that she is so NOT full of herself and is so quick-witted. I don't think there's any editing going on. She was like that on Martha Stewart's Apprentice, too. It's just her personality, love her or hate her. I love her!
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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 10:52 am
"I want to know what rainbows you live on" Hey now ~ let's not start on each other here! I'm not defending anything about Kelly's own attacks, especially that loo loo of a moment when Ramona was trying to speak to Bethenny. Ayee. But that was the moment when you could see how truly crazy she was and I don't think yelling at a crazy person accomplishes anything. As for Bethenny's bag with her 'brand' all over it, um yeah, real heart felt. Again, this is the selling of Bethenny and I'm not buying it, Bravo. They're all mean this year. Maybe Sonja a little less.
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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 10:57 am
I agree Bethenny is quick witted but I also think she is completely FULL of herself just like Jill and Kelly are. I also think Bravo is most definitely editing her. Some of us will sit on the rainbow and others will drink the kool-aid. Either way, cheers to us all! 
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 11:03 am
<=== I'll be on the rainbow, pouring Bret's Snapple tea for all!!! Room for anyone who wants to join me. Cheers! OH WOW...just love the view here!!
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 11:09 am
I simply like Bethenny and don't believe she's being edited in any certain way. Just because people disagree, there's no reason to suggest they're incapable of making their own decision (drinking kool-aid).
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 11:09 am
<<---- Getting cozy and comfy on Hukd's rainbow.
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