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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 7:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I just don't get all the upset. The grim reality is that Brandy may have been a better dancer but she just wasn't very popular. She didn't even have many fans here at TVCH. In a voting contest, if you're not popular you lose. Nothing shocking about it.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
I know Jimmer- but this is all "sins of the mother" basically. Many people don't like Sarah Palin, and they paint Bristol with the same brush (although it's unfair to Bristol).

Colordeagua
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10-24-2003

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 7:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
That's it,Jimmer. I know who Sarah Palin is (therefore Bristol), but I am pretty apolitical. I didn't vote this DWTS season, but if I had it would have been for Bristol -- not Brandy.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
OG, I think it IS pretty important that they were so cautious. There are a lot of nutjobs out there, and I think DWTS was right to proceed the way they did. Hey, some guy shot his stupid TV over Bristol staying!

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Actually, the outrage may well be based on all the conservative websites telling people how to cheat on their voting....

ETA: I should also add, much like when Sanjay went so far on American Idol, it does bother us when someone who is far less talented, wins a contest that is ALSO based on talent, not just popularity.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Huk, I wasn't referring to the white powder, but to all the other drama on the board concerning Bristol.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 10:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
CBS (or ABC? whatever..) has a website and their goal is to have more registered people there and frankly I doubt that they care if the addys are real or unreal, they just want NUMBERS so they can sell more advertising.

Likewise on some of these shows they simply want more NUMBERS to report in terms of votes made. They don't actually care about those votes representing actual people.

As far as I know, votebots woulds have to be pretty complicated to go to the page to fill out fake info, enter fake email address, then LOGON to fake id and put in the limited number of votes allowed. Then go to the next one, iteratively.

Vote Bots are more effective when being used on sites that allow endless voting or sites that use cookies to limit numbers, so the bot would go and clear out the cookies and then return and vote more.

So these people circumventing the system (or actually just using it as it is set up) had to spend most of their time creating the new id and logging in, only to put in their limit of votes (I think it was 4 or maybe 5.. maybe even 3)

And then there is encouraging people who may not watch the show to vote, as is done by vote for the worst dot com or fans of anyone on any show that includes voting. Called unfair but really there is no defined group of people who must somehow prove they watched the show in order to vote. Heck I fast forward through much of the show at times, maybe I shouldn't put in any phone votes. But sometimes I do. Sometimes I forget since I get involved in my silly charts and just want those scores to enter or to know so and so is safe and note that, or.. what the heck kind of dance is that?

And what about so many people watching at a time different than their alloted time for voting in their timezone? Many people watch early when shows air on east coast but couldn't vote at that time, many people watch time delayed when it is too late to vote.

There are SO many shows that say call in or text us or tweet and you can participate.. uh, yeah, but only if you are watching when it airs in the east.. otherwise, you cannot be part of this. Unfair? Sure. The disenfranchised West Coast. We live with it. Hawaii and Alaska too. But for this show they get to vote during their time slots.

(I have to admit I don't know how long people can vote online, but think it is longer. I guess I'd be inclined to just eliminate online voting but ABC or CBS or NBC or whatever network.. they WANT those numbers.

So be angry with them.

I get bothered more by AI non talents going too far and even getting signed to deals than I do about this mirror ball trophy thing. Sure they get money to be on the show but so does the (IMO, useless and annoying) Brooke Burke, so do the musicians and guys who sweep the stage, so why not the "dancers" who are there to entertain..

I get more upset at Biggest Loser games, but not really upset that much with Apprentice.. because BL CAN be lifechanging in a good way for some, Apprentice, not so much and I just don't care.

On this show more people than not seem to stay for what someone will think is the Wrong Reason.. that is sort of the norm. And some are sent home Too Soon for reasons other than dance.

What I find most unseemly is how the judges and both hosts continually harp on how we MUST go vote to "save" someone, hinting at great injustice having been committed but yet still saying "vote for your favorite but if your favorite isn't our favorite then you are committing an injustice".. Huh? Face it they just want big numbers of votes.

OK.. I'm leaving..

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Actually, since there is no Email verification, it would actually be quite easy to create a program to vote repeatedly on DWTS.

Simply write a program that creates a large number of bogus Email addys. Give them all the same password. You only have to "sign up" the first week. Then, sign in, vote five times, sign up the next. Or easier, sign up all your bogus Email addys first.

Then all your program does in sign in with the new one, vote five times, move to the next addy. Even *I* with limited knowledge can figure out how to work that system.

So yeah, maybe they don't care if they have a bunch of invalid Email addys. They may weed them out at some later point, but you can still log in and vote. Easy - peazy.

And yes, while it may be the way things work, it does offend my sense of fairness.

I'm not *upset*, just disappointed and sad, I suppose, at this reminder that this IS the way the world works.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
No offense to everyone, but I am a conservative and since I didn't vote for the current President I voted for the opposite party...including Mrs. Palin (although she was far from my favorite candidate). My dislike of Bristol is based on Bristol,not on her mother. My like or dislike of a competitor is based on their individual performance, not their personal life. For instance I wasn't a fan of Nicole last season but I thought she was an amazing dancer.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm trying to figure out who would be interested and committed enough to go to the trouble of creating multiple emails and voting multiple times or writing a program to do it so that Bristol could win a mirror ball trophy? Has the world gone crazy?

I also seriously have a problem visualizing any Republicans I know voting for Bristol if they don't watch the show.

Or is there even a slim possibility that she just got more votes than Brandy because people like her more?

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Oh Jimmer you poor naive fool

It's not just that she beat Brandy, and I agree Brandy wasn't very likeable in many ways, it that she's got to this point in the season, when if she was anyone else she'd have been out in the first few weeks.

Some people who weren't good technically have had a spark that has carried them through to round beyond where their skill or performance level would normally take them, and people understand that. I just don't see any sort of spark in Bristol, she didn't even seem engaged with the show or Mark for the first few weeks, like she didn't want to be there or couldn't be bothered to put in the work. Then when she did start to show some personality it hasn't been very attractive.

Sure she's going to have some fans and some people are going to find her appealing for a variety of reasons (reminds them of someone, looks like their daughter, feel sorry for the underdog...) but the reasons people are saying for voting for her (worked hard, changed the most) apply to almost all the dancers, especially the top four.

What made the number of people required to keep her in the show this long vote for her, in a manner atypical of other seasons?

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I saw Bristol early on as disengaged, but think it was because she felt like she was in over her head and had no confidence in herself whatsoever. I still see her looking disengaged, but I think she is the type of person who is non-musical and her dances are fairly regimented and she probably counts the steps in her head. She doesn't seem to feel the dance like the others, but it doesn't sway me away from liking her.

I don't care if she has a spark or not, I have enjoyed her journey far more than I ever thought I would.

Week after week we heard Brandy talk about how badly she wanted it and how she was working SO hard. She came across to me as needy and whiney, and I didn't see "sparks" from her either. Yes, she can dance, but her personality along with Maks just did nothing at all for me.

I do hope that Bristol goes this week so Kyle can advance, yet I don't think he should beat out Jennifer/Derek either. But he certainly demonstrated great work ethic and dedication, along with a happy-go-lucky attitude which is very endearing.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I'm still outraged Florence isnt in the finals



Colordeagua
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10-24-2003

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
I just don't see any sort of spark in Bristol, she didn't even seem engaged with the show or Mark for the first few weeks, like she didn't want to be there or couldn't be bothered to put in the work. Then when she did start to show some personality it hasn't been very attractive.

Sure she's going to have some fans and some people are going to find her appealing for a variety of reasons (reminds them of someone, looks like their daughter, feel sorry for the underdog...) but the reasons people are saying for voting for her (worked hard, changed the most) apply to almost all the dancers, especially the top four.


Again, I'm pretty apolitical so Bristol's mom has nothing to do with how I feel about her. I like Bristol. I don't know exactly why. I find her attractive in a way, though costumes haven't done much for her. She doesn't have a "big" personality -- kind of quiet and easy going. Pleasant enough. So maybe you're in the minority, Kitt.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 1:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Maybe I am, but there's been a lot of talk about it by a lot of people if I really am in the minority.

And my dh just looked over my shoulder and said "you can't write that!" at my comment about Jimmer being a naive fool - I hope he and all of you realise I was completely joking on that!

Naja
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06-28-2003

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 2:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
That's how I see her, Kitt. A bit bland. No spark. Nothing outstanding to like, but nothing really to hate about her performances either. So that's why am surprised she has gone so far. I feel like she is just "there".

Lazylu
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04-09-2010

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 2:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lazylu a private message Print Post    
I think that it is sad that there are some excellent shows on TV with great writers, good actors, that are very entertaining week after week and what are so many people talking about, Bristol!

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
I, for one, cant' wait til next week's show. Gonna be a doozy, with all the undercurrents.

(Still bummed about Tony and Audrina... that's MY big disappointment of the season. Bristol making the finals over Brandy was my big shock of the season.)

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
For me, I ended up liking Bristol more than I thought I would, but I also from the beginning have seen her as not as excited about being there. Brandy may be annoying because of her I deserve it quality; but that can also be seen as her trying to converse herself. Brandy has long struggled with some serious self esteem issues; so I don't see her as arrogant, just trying to become more comfortable in her own self.

I think Bristol has those kinds of issues as well, and it may just be that's the cause of her flat affect. But when she says things like she "deserves 10's" also; and that she 'knows the other dancers don't think she should be there, but she thinks she deserves it', well, that's hard to warm up to also.

The bottom line for me, is yes, she has come a long way, but so did Rick Fox and Jack Warner, and she really doesn't dance a lick better than either of them and in many ways, her dances are far easier, so she's taking the easy route, or at least just doing the minimum so she can stay accurate.

And her dancing really seems to lack passion, just as she does when speaking and giving the impression that she doesn't really seem to care about being there. So, in that way, she hasn't come very far at all. She's still just going thru the motions.

And yes, Jimmer, for all sorts of reasons people will go to all sorts of lengths to manipulate the vote in these contests. So, while there is a *possibility* that Bristol is there because she is an awesome dancer and competitor, it's not probable... :-)

Chief
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08-09-2009

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chief a private message Print Post    
Upthread someone said that Kyle and Jennifer both look scared.

And they should!! If this fiasco keeps up, BOTH of them will lose to Bristol! They, too, have worked very hard. Unfortunately, this "revelation" may have caused them to realize that the conspiracy is going to swallow them whole next! Honestly, I wouldn't have been surprised if I had learned that both of them walked out of the show knowing they had no real nor honest chance of winning against a machine! But, like Brandy, I'm sure they will try to sound gracious and professional about it.

Now, after reading pages on this board, I've seen some statments like:
* Yes Brandy was a better dancer than Bristol, but...
* Bristol doesn't seem committed, but ...
* Brandy and Jennifer are the best dancers, but ...
* Bristol's performance was lackluster, but ...
* I know Bristol isn't progressing like the others, but ...
* Brandy's routine was far more difficult than Bristol's, but ...

Etc., so I have accepted that people are going to vote for whomever they want, regardless of whether fairness prevails. (Of course the more I think about it, the more I am reminded that people will do in the confines of privacy on the phone or computer that which they wouldn't admit to in public a LOT.)

ITA with whomever said that Maks was right in what he said, whether or not people thought he should have kept his mouth shut. He's a pro and knows darn well that what was happening was wrong, so I for one am glad he said something. And I don't believe any nonsense about him losing votes for Brandy. The people who are saying that were never voting for Brandy in the first place. It's up there with a long line of excuses, IMHO, about a myriad of reasons NOT to vote for anyone (Jennifer and Kyle, too) who was better than Bristol.

Oh, and what about the infamous: Brandy went on about how hard she worked and how badly she wanted it. Ummm, yeah! She did! They all felt that way. What was she supposed to say? That she didn't work hard and didn't want it?

I think what's most upsetting to me about this fiasco is that those who are voting, excusing, and ultimately keeping Bristol on the show seem to have no remorse in the unfairness of it all and are actually justifying it, IMHO.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 3:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
LOL Kitt! I knew you were joking.

(But it is nice of your dh to watch out for you.)

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People talk about fairness. Using voting bots, cheating and voting more times than allowed and voting when you haven't seen any of the show is unfair.

However, there is nothing unfair about voting for the person that you like the best.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
In the end, if Bristol wins the trophy my life won't change. And I'd still watch the show next year, I love to watch dancing.

I had thought on Tuesday night that if I was Bristol, I would have left the show rather than have the booing, which clearly said to her "we didn't want YOU to stay."

Perhaps what impresses me the most about her, is that she is not a quitter. I guess the apple fell pretty far from the maternal tree.

It's a shame she is being talked about so badly, she has not caused this controversy, she just danced.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 4:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Bristol isn't being talked about any more harshly than the lumbering Kyle, the haughty Brandy or the whiny Jennifer, actually. They have all received both criticism and praise.

The people being judged harshly are those who are voting for her not because of her dancing, but because of politics. This competitiong shouldn't be about politics, and really, why else is Bristol getting so many votes? We all agree it's not her dancing - and despite claims to the contrary I sincerely doubt the vast majority of her votes are coming from people who admire her personally.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 4:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Bristol isn't being talked about any more harshly than the lumbering Kyle, the haughty Brandy or the whiny Jennifer, actually.

I think she is

Lakecat
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10-01-2006

Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 4:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lakecat a private message Print Post    
Karuuna~ I think weve already established that Brandy just plain ol wasnt popular/likeable.I think thats at least *part* of the reason Bristol went forward.