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Scout
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01-20-2005
| Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 1:54 pm
I love how the producers set them up in ironic situations. We see Jill and Bethany having their fight. Then, cut to Jill talking about Mario and all "he" has to do to end his problems with ex-countess is say he's sorry. I've never heard her utter an apology before. I definitely think there's more to the story with her and Bethany. I used to be a big fan of Jill, but I agree with Huk that Jill seems to be very much of a backstabber. I just hate the way she buddies up with someone so she'll have someone on her side. It's the same with all the Housewives shows. At first, we get to see at least something about their lives and pretty soon it's nothing but constant fighting.
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Lurknomore
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07-07-2001
| Monday, March 22, 2010 - 12:02 am
I really liked this show when it first came on. Granted I was NEVER a fan of Bethanny's and others, esp LuAnn, would at time grate my nerves, but all in all it was basically amusing. Now it's just an ugly mess! I too was wondering how Simon and Alex got to be the sane couple on here lolol. Of course I always felt she got too bad a wrap and he was just European, which many American's take wrong (clearly I've had European guy friends in the past, so I at least understood him, though he does hear his own drummer in any country hehe). As for Bethanny, from day 1 she impressed me as a fame starved, mean-mouthed and mean-spirited witch (witch was not my first choice of words hehe). It was clear she was on the show just to promote herself and her interests. My guess is Jill is being so whiney and meanspirited now because she truly thought that Bethanny was a friend, whereas Bethanny just saw her as someone who could help her, and feels that the public thanks in the book is her debt paid. I recall a really touching episode where Jill's Mom told Bethanny she was family now and would never be alone again. I will admit to crying through it, knowing what it means to feel alone and lost without one's Mom here anymore. The fact that Bethanny threw that all away is VERY telling to me. If I had any doubts in my theory that would make me change my mind, but I honestly don't. Her agenda has never been blurry, just I thought she had some feelings too. Honestly this is another show I'm not sure I can take much more of. It's mostly aggravating and annoying so far.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, March 22, 2010 - 7:12 am
NY is the only Real Housewives franchise I can watch. Between Jill and Bethany I think Jill is more authentic. I don't see Bethany as being good girlfriend material. Have we seen her with friends outside of then TV show characters. Were any of her friends invited to the boyfriends birthday party? I think Bethany's 15 mins is coming to close as far as her Skinny drinks books go, then what?
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Marameko
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07-15-2002
| Monday, March 22, 2010 - 7:51 am
Good point Sia. I thought it was quite the uncomfortable situation when she discussed his voice and then described his clothing and his size. Snarky is not something I do .........unless I have to do so I know on my part it is being a wise*** if I end up using that tactic. And in a nut shell Bethenny is sort of mean.
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Monday, March 22, 2010 - 8:19 am
And the bit with calling Ramona on speakerphone and not telling her that Luann was listening in. I completely agree - to me, this was a high school girl sort of thing to do.
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Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003
| Monday, March 22, 2010 - 8:26 am
Bethenny has been a success as a chef to VIP's in New York City; was runner up on Martha Stewart's Apprentice show; has written 3 books; is in her third year of being on RHONY; and is now filming the spin-off show created by Bravo all about her preparations for her wedding and new baby. I think she's already had far more than 15 minutes and I sort of doubt she will choose to be a stay at home Mom, so she'll be finding something else to do.
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Sia
Member
03-10-2002
| Monday, March 22, 2010 - 1:53 pm
Seems like all the housewives on all the franchises behave in an extremely juvenile way: it's like their development was arrested in high school. That's true of so many of them.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Monday, March 22, 2010 - 2:59 pm
I'd bet they all get paid well for the drama. Who would watch a show with 5 women who get along? No me, that's for sure!
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Monday, March 22, 2010 - 3:18 pm
There's an article here: http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/09/bethenny-vs-jill-housewives-feud-heats-up/ in which Jill is quoted as saying, "I felt like I had been planting a seed and the flower grew.” If that's her belief regarding Bethenny's success, I can see why Bethenny is annoyed. Bethenny is successful because Bethenny works her skinny little butt off and has earned her success. Jill's comment makes it seem like she did all the hard work and now Bethenny is reaping the benefit. I seem to remember reading or seeing an interview where Bethenny also said something about a trip she and Jason went on that Jill thought she and Bobby should have been invited on. I can't find any reference to that, though. I find it interesting the Jill cut off the phone message when Bethenny started saying why she said get a hobby and walked away when she started referring to an email Jill sent. Until we see that email, I'm not willing to condemn Bethenny.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Monday, March 22, 2010 - 3:27 pm
Yay, now I'm on Team Prisoner! Those have been my thoughts exactly!
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Monday, March 22, 2010 - 5:28 pm
Can I be on someone's team?
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 5:47 am
I like Bethenney, Alex and Ramona this season. Luann I don't think I could ever like. Her constantly seeking compliments is annoying but the clincher for me was when she interjected herself into Jill and Bethenney's problems at the fashion show. She was smiling and enjoying it too much. Yuck. Her Countess worship of herself ::vomit:: Jill I can forgive she's not at her best but it's because she's hurting.
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Lurknomore
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07-07-2001
| Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 11:48 am
I do recall Bethanny once saying how Jill was so connected and knows everyone. So truth is we don't know how Jill's contacts may have helped Bethanny. Seems to me B has spent YEARS trying to reach the next level of success but didn't until recently. From things both of them said, I think it's fair to say Jill did help her achieve that. Would I say she should get full credit...absolutely not. But even Bethanny said how "I thanked you in the book" and somewhere else, as if that was payback for help rendered. I think Jill wanted friendship in return. The above is a mix of my opinion based on comments both have made. I find it interesting that BOTH of them cut themselves off and shut up every time it boils down to the core facts. As for drama, sure a show like this needs some. But it seems as if it has degraded into endless petty bickering. To me that is more high school than drama, and not such great fun to watch. Plus it all seems so fake lately...both when they are being nice and when they are fighting. At least the first season it seemed more genuine to me.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 12:30 pm
I find it interesting the Jill cut off the phone message when Bethenny started saying why she said get a hobby and walked away when she started referring to an email Jill sent. Until we see that email, I'm not willing to condemn Bethenny. I thought the same thing. Hmmm Jill conveniently ended the call and only let us hear the part she wanted us to hear.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 4:45 am
I get the impression Bethenney and Jill's fight is alot more about hurt feelings than either of them doing anything horrible to the other. I wish they'd both stop sharing their pain with others especially Luann who, in my opinion, is loving that they're quarreling.
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 6:34 am
good point, Shenanagon-this makes Lu Ann important- whether it's against Ramona or Bethenney. Am I the only one who thought the psychic scene was weird?
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 6:47 am
no Panda you weren't the only one it was loopy to me too lol.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 8:02 am
Beyond loopy. "I'm sensing a name that begins with J..." 'Cause male names that begin with J are *so* uncommon. John, James, Jason, Joe, Jack, Jethro, Jan, Jay... So far, Jill has brought up her problems with Bethenny with Luann, Kelly, her friend Jennifer (?) and her psychic. Who has Bethenny said anything to, other than Jason?
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 8:49 am
It has been my experience that the one who goes on and on and on about things is usually the one who is wrong.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 9:12 am
Terolyn, I saw Bethany on most of the talk shows, before this season started, going on and on about this fight.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 9:19 am
But there's a difference between responding to someone's questions about it and bringing it up yourself. Jill keeps bringing it up herself.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 9:42 am
To me, she seemed to keep bringing it up. Trying to do damage control ahead of time for her image and products. Who knows? But either way, I don't care. It's something personal between them and I am tired of all the bickering between all of them. I don't even have a desire to pick a side. I say, stick them in a chair in opposite corners of the room and make them sit there until they work it out amongst themselves like 5 year olds.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 10:26 am
hmm I don't know as I don't follow this that closely.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 11:50 am
Are any of you going to watch the Beverley Hills version--there are two Hilton-related women on there, and Kelsey Grammar's wife. I imagine it will be dripping with money lol.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 11:54 am
nope, I am pretty much done with them now. These type of shows always start out "honest" the ladies are real, the situations seem plausible, then I guess fame hits and the situations seem so forced and the ladies become nothing but plastic dummies.
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