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Ginger1218
Member
08-30-2001
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 9:50 am
My guess on the calling Kelly Osborne fat thing would be Karla Smirnoff.
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Mush
Member
09-09-2002
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 9:51 am
I have long suspected that audience vote reality shows do not always follow the results of the vote when deciding who is eliminated. If I were a DWTS producer I'd keep Bristol on regardless of the results just because of the attention that it's giving the show.
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Dovez
Member
08-27-2005
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:07 am
interesting choice of music, tishala. s palin had tweeted that out earlier in the day before b palin danced it.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:08 am
Gilles... le sigh....
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:17 am
Wasn't the person who won last season a pro in some respects ? And wouldn't she more of a "pro " then Jennifer ?? Probably a matter of opinion............ Rock on Jennifer.................
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Bbwatcher
Member
09-12-2008
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:17 am
I am not saying if they ever danced...I'm saying all on one show should be on a more level playing ground. How can a novice win against someone with formal training? If Jennifer was on a show with Liza minnelli, Britney Spears, etc (people with some dance training and using it professionally) then she would be on her level of expertise. If Bristol was up against other novice dancers..even Kyle who has not had any formal training...then that is fine. <58>
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:23 am
You rarely see them do this on audience-voting based reality shows (usually to not embarrass the participants), but after the season, they should release the audience voting totals for every week of the series. This way we'd know how everyone trended thru the season, and who got an eliminated person's fanbase.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:29 am
<58> I stand by my point: people like Evan, Kristi, Shawn, Nicole, etc have had TONS of dance experience before coming on the show; it's something even some NFL and NBA athletes do to increase balance, flexibility, and dexterity. It's part of their training regimen. That doesn't make them professional dancers. It makes them people who have used dance in their fields. Likewise, Ms Grey is an actress who has used dance in her field. Nobody puts baby in the corner.
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Bbwatcher
Member
09-12-2008
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:34 am
It would be like her playing football with Emmitt and Kurt!
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:41 am
Every "Star" brings a different background... Jennifer's "star" quality is that she is an actress who many moons ago played the character of a dancer... Bristol's "star" quality is that she is an activist who is the daughter of a political figure. I don't think that we can say no one with dance training or political ties should be allowed to compete. Now that they are on the show... Jennifer has the advantage of her background... Bristol has the advantage of her mother's followers... It is what it is. Many will vote for Jennifer as their preferred dancer because of her grace on the dance floor... many will vote for Bristol because of their love of her mother or personal "improvement" ...
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:44 am
ABC must be eating this up. Every radio station, TV network, cable talking head shows, bolgs and the rest are all talking about about DTWS and Brandy being eliminated. It's the buzz all around water coolers today. Cha-ching! It's just shocking to a lot of people. Someone called shenanigans, I so totally agree.....perfect word for this entire season.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:44 am
In the past Mel B, Shawn Johnson, Mya and Nicole Scherzinger had had considerable dance training withing their jobs - i.e. had experience learning choreography, knew some steps, had a general feel for dance within music. Mya even had professional dance training in several styles for the majority of her life, and had performed tap dance on stage. Melissa Rycroft had considerable ballet experience. Donny and Marie has learnt choreography and performed for 40(?) years. Kristi Yamaguchi and Evan Lysacek were both figure dancers. All those people I've just mentioned were in the top three. Jennifer had some dance lessons, and danced in a movie 23 years ago. She's hardly done any dance since because of her neck injury, and she's now 50. To me that's a lot less relevant and recent experience than just about all the people I've just mentioned. I kind of feel bad for everyone this morning. Awful for Brandy and Maks, because by most people's standards they deserved to be top three. Bad for Bristol because instead of this whole thing being a positive experience, she's been kept in beyond her skill/performance level so the story's no longer about how much fun it was to learn to dance, it's about the political side of it. And sorry for the show, because injustices like this make it awkward for everyone.
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Bbwatcher
Member
09-12-2008
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:52 am
I think we all have the right to our own opinion. Mine is make the playing ground on each season more level! I'm done for now...gotta run! Everyone have fun today!
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:56 am
If Bristol would have said when asked that she deserved to be on the show because she is giving it her all and is having fun, I would have given her more points. Instead, she used the whole I have less experience than the others. Young lady you have a huge advantage just for being SP's daughter and we, the viewers, recognize this.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 11:01 am
Tishala thank you for the trivia<58>- I also think there are many that get passionate about their opinions, its what makes it a great message board - differing opinions, some more strongly felt than others... BTW - can I just say - Called it! what I have been trying to figure out is how the heck they figure out the votes... I used to think first place in judges got a point, first place in viewer votes got a point - so if you were LAST place in judging, but first place in viewers votes - you end up in the middle??? I'm just confusing myself trying to figure it out - Gilles Marini is on The Talk - as is Julianne Hough!! (Chenbot's talk show!!)
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 11:06 am
also Bristol and her sister Willow (where did Sarah come up with these names, they are different - not bad different, just different, are they from books?) got in trouble for smack talking back on a facebook wall (using derogatory slurs for same sex people) about their mom - I think Bristol did evolve, and I think that if it were more of a "level" playing field (Bristol and Kate Gosselin, Mr. P etc) and allowed to evolve, some would improve, but some people just dont have that rhythm but I also think Jennifer DID evolve also! I also agree with previous posts that she was not a dancer on Dirty Dancing - she really frustrated Patrick Swayze with how long some of those scenes took to film...
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 11:16 am
Another not regular watcher Heard from here - i tend to click around a lot during the DTWS time slot, so I catch about 1 or 2 dances a show and happened to catch Bristol's first dance in it's entirety. Two things were missing to make it enjoyable to me (JMHO!!!!) First - was joy, it just was not there, I don't mean smile, but there is some energy that reflects enjoyment of what you do. Second was Flow - it was like step pose step pose, not really a flow from position to position. Going backwards was off the beat, not her strong point. I had seen other dances of hers and going backwards is not good. Now, as to having people with dance experience on this show is interesting. Would you have all people dance like Bristol dances, especially in the beginning? How many would watch the show then? It helps to have some experience. Now the same discussion on what is a pro is often repeated on Idol. In the past, they have had some people who put out albums and had record contracts, which is an advantage in the beginning and they have had normal people with some limited experience performing and they have had people who only sang to their parents. The people with little to no experience sucked. Everyone needs some experience. A show with people whop had no experience at all would suck big time.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 11:17 am
Max tweeted: WOW! What can I say? If this is a test, I'm failing it... Was raised in a very 'justice driven' household & see no justice in 'DWTS'.... Sorry @4everBrandy if I failed US. You were AMAZING tonight and always! BBwatcher said "I think Brandy and Maks lost for several reasons: #1 Maks #2 Brandy" Exactly. Maks needs to look in the mirror for this loss. Last week when he went off on the judges, he ruined their chances. No one will vote for peeps who throw tantrums and Brandy who says she 'deserves' to win. Maybe the producers are coaching her and the other contestants to say such things, but who knows. Regarding voting via e-mail or unlimited votes on ABC, this is the first I've heard of it. I didn't even know you could vote that way. I thought the song Bristol danced to last night was very nice; however, I have to agree that her outfits are somewhat drab. Re Jennifer, while I'm not a huge fan, the fact that she is 50 years old and keeps up with the young ones and does it so well is a plus for her. If she wins, it's deserved.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 11:20 am
Reader, DWTS does it by percentages. So on Monday Jennifer got 60, Kyle got 58, Brandy got 57 and Bristol for 53 points. Put those into percentages and Jennifer got 26.3%, Kyle got 25.4%, Brandy got 25.0%, Bristol got 23.2%. The viewer vote is then counted and split into percentages, the percentages from judges and viewers are added together to give the final scores. It's easy to see how a really popular person can get so many viewer votes that the 3% difference in judges' scores becomes pretty much irrelevant.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 11:35 am
I think that Brandy was not a likeable person...her constant "I deserve to win," "I want to win," - I'm sure they were meant to be affirmative statements but they came across as sort of arrogant, which is off-putting to a lot of people. If she had toned down her personality a bit I think she would have been perceived differently and perhaps been more endearing to the voters. Max's statements didn't help but I think most regular viewers just shrug their shoulders and say "That's Max." His ego and arrogance are part of why he's so attractive and they are nothing new. I still think she should have made final 3 though. IMO she was a beautiful dancer.
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Hypermom
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 11:51 am
On GMA this morning, Maks made a good point, imo. The "packages" that we see are highly produced for effect. They are just a small part of what goes on. So, his comment, don't vote on just that.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 11:57 am
The packages may be highly produced, but I really disliked Maks' little whinefest with Carrie Ann last week and that wasn't part of a highly produced package. That was pure, undiluted Maks. If they had gone last week, as I said, I wouldn't be upset even though I think Brandy was the best remaining dancer. Being voted off last night, though, was another story as far as I'm concerned.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 12:04 pm
To put Max's comment into context - It was in response to a question about why so many people were voting for Bristol. He was explaining that people vote with their hearts, but their hearts are being influenced by how she is being "packaged", and not necessarily who she is.
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Dovez
Member
08-27-2005
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 12:14 pm
Gotta say, amen to that
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 12:29 pm
But the comments Maks made to Carrie Ann were not part of a package, I don't think, but were made during a "live" taping of the show when she made a comment that he didn't like (when he and Brandy did so little actual dancing in one routine). And Maks is no stranger to making snarky comments. And I judge him on that, not a cute package. I love Kyle but 10 scores with his lack of posture.. I guess his fun and enthusiasm overrides all that for these judges. Don't get me wrong, I do like him and wouldn't mind if he won.. sigh.. if only Lacey wasn't part of that package.
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