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Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Right, Hukdonreality! When you are off duty, you are off duty! How you choose to spend that off-duty time is YOUR choice. Nobody who hasn't been there has the right to make judgements IMHO! Have opinions, yes; make judgements, no -

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 7:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
I am not saying that she should be boo hoo hooing her <66> 24/7 either. However, I stand by my biased opinion and re-state that going off and partying like she clearly did is in poor taste. I, for one, would feel terrible if I were here and Jeff were to croak while I was sipping on a few rum and cokes and twirling sparklers on the 4th of July. If she wants to "unwind" go see a movie.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 11:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
OK I googled Gretchen last night (and hope I dont have a virus, one site kept popping up as a warning!) and didnt find anything from Jeff's family -

I think Gretchen ran away to be with her family and let Jeff and his family be alone - so she doesnt have a PR person to spin it in her favor - it still was ok with me - maybe because I had a family member with advanced colon cancer come live with us -

I still feel that Tamra is one that runs from group to group as a gossip person, or someone that looks for aproval... Tamra and her son[s talk was too staged for my taste, but it was still sad - adn her husband - - is he working???

I really dont need reality in a reality show!!

Chitchat58
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07-25-2008

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 5:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chitchat58 a private message Print Post    
I don't wavier with my opinion of Gretchen. <66> and I still don't care what anyone thinks, I would never go out and party when my husband/fiance is in the ICU.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
I still feel that Tamra is one that runs from group to group as a gossip person, or someone that looks for aproval...

I second this observation.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
If Gretchen truly was a <66> then why didn't she marry Jeff? She refused to do so while he was sick. (FWIW, this was not the first time he was in the hospital nor was it the first time he was in the ICU.)

And Reader, you know, I didn't think of that before, but you're right about Tamra. She seems to be a bit of an instigator. <66> Egads!

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 10:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Just chiming in on leaving a gravely ill loved one. Having gone through this situation twice I know how important it is to take a break. I took break similarly as Gretchen did. I made sure there were others there at the hospital and checked in several times a day. But we all handle things differently and negative judgments should be thought out throughly. I feel for Gretchen and the children, who by the way seem to understand how much Gretchen has done for their dad. Very sad and difficult situation.

When the worst happened in my situation several of us went to Europe to celebrate our loved ones life. We partied hard and enjoyed ourselves even though we were going through a grieving process. We did it in honor of him not for selfish gold-digging reasons.

It's a tough situation and I can understand when people don't leave their loved ones side but it's not a black and white situation.

I just started watching this show. I caught it last week during a marathon I also just saw the New York marathon. The NY people are so much easier and likable then the OC housewives.

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 3:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
I thought someone already posted this stuff about Gretchen:

http://moreabsurd.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-01-02T12%3A50%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=1

Jeff's sister appears to be posting on there, and this is the first comment:

Judy Fike, Jeffrey Beizel's sister...
October 29, 2008 6:43 AM
Judy Fike said...
I happen to be Jeff's sister and although I knew the kind of relationship they had -- he seeking the "Malibu Barbie" armpiece & her seeking $$$$$ and someone to take care of her, her flaunting & lack of concern for him shown in this article only confirms her insincerety. I'm just glad he wasn't able to see how superficial this relationship was. At Christmas when he first found out about his illness & limited chance of survival, he had no intentions of marrying her or anyone else. She was his West Coast armpiece whom he managed to keep seperate from his interest in the east. I'm glad she was with him when he died only because he wouldn't allow anyone else to see him in such grave condition. At least he wasn't alone at the end, although I know he spent many lonely hours in his hospital room. In the 3 or 4 years he dated her, his mother & I were never introduced to her. Unforunately he was never smart enough to appreciate a good wife when he had one.

October 29, 2008 11:08 AM
admin said...
Thanks so much, Judy



All the comments are something else. Regardless of what the people in here feel (those who have been caregivers, a heart-wrenching, stressful situation to be in), you might think Gretchen is not all she appears to be. From the comments, it appeared that Gretchen WAS after Jeff to marry her, but he refused.

Another poster asked Judy if Gretchen received anything, and Judy replied that he provided well for all his children and granchildren. She never made it clear what was left to Gretchen.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 3:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Ewwww that was a nasty post Jeff's sister wrote. Wonder if Jeff would have appreciated his sister trying to slam the woman he spent his end years with. Jeff's children seemed to appreciate her. She might be bitter that she didn't get as much from her brothers passing as she anticipated.

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 3:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
There are also a lot of Jeff's former wives' neighbours making comments, on the site above plus the Orange County Register site. Almost nothing of what anyone says is favourable towards Gretchen. Who knows?

This topic has seemed to caused a lot of defensiveness on both sides here - those that condemn Gretchen's behaviour, and those that see her behaviour as a well-deserved break. I completely agree with Mocha, however, Bravo is going to edit anyone how they want them to be...you've got to admit, it's hard to know what the real story is. Editing can turn an angel into a villian, or vice versa.

<66> You can't know what's really true, and what the reality show's cast true intentions are. All you can be sure of is what the network WANTS you to think.

That said, I STILL can't stand Vicki! She's the only one that truly bugs the hell out of me. I hate that Bravo actually has Vicki's hooting as part of the opening titles. Ugh!

Thesnark
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09-27-2008

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 3:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Thesnark a private message Print Post    
Wow, thanks jodie for posting that link. All those posts don't paint a very pretty picture of gretchen

Chitchat58
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07-25-2008

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 4:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chitchat58 a private message Print Post    
You don't need to marry someone for them to leave you in a will. <66>

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 5:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Hmmmmm, wonder if Mom and Sis had gone to see Jeff in the hospital, they would have met Gretchen?

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 6:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
A blog is just that... someone's web log. It's just someone being able to have a stage to write their own opinions. It's not guaranteed to be truth (and honestly, many aren't).

If Jeff had left Gretchen a lot of money, don't you think we'd have heard about it by now?

Lilfair, I celebrated the same way... went to Greece. A close friend died of AIDS-related complications. When he was bedridden, we watched "Shirley Valentine" and made plans to go to Greece that next summer (this was in December). He didn't make it past St Patrick's Day, but I went anyways, with a girlfriend, and sat on the beach with a drink in hand.

And... LOL @ Twinks. :-)

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 9:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
Yikes, I'm still two episodes behind, so I probably should have kept my mouth shut. But when I do catch up, I'm not sure it's safe to comment!

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 9:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Jodie I googled Gretchens name and couldnt find anything juicy!! I admit to being too curious about if he left her anything!! (and at one point so many warnings virus' were attacking my computer, I gave up! I knew something had to be out there!!)

and I think its always safe to comment here- I appreciate differing views!!

I've also been in different positions - but find the way Gretchen and Jeff were edited to be..."hmmm"..... When Tammy dropped her opinion - why didnt she comment back that his kids were there- and she needed time with her family? It sounded like she was just plain overwhelmed <100> Knowing how hard it is to take care of someone who is dying - no words. And having celebrated someone's life upon their death - no judgement...

Sugar
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08-15-2000

Monday, January 05, 2009 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sugar a private message Print Post    
I am about over these ridiculous people!

That episode on the lake with Vicky and Tamara's family was pathetic! Tamara grabbing hubby's crotch and rubbing her behind on him with her young kids on the boat, disgusts me. The "high school/college" drinking... grow up for pete's sake.

Vicky can see neither the forest or the trees. I simply cannot fathom anyone finding the insurance business that interesting = 24/7/365.

Lynn, you are over 40, embrace it, there are perks. <100>.

Do I suspect that Gretchen followed the $, yep but it seemed to be ok with Jeff. I agree that the "banter" between Gretchen and her dad was kinda creepy. I'm willing to cut her some slack, she did not leave Jeff alone, he had been in the hospital for some time, his kids were there. Jeff may have said, yes please go see your family, the kids and I will spend some time together.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 9:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I wish Vicki would wear a different lipstick. Whatever that is she is wearing makes her look cadaverous.

When the show first aired, I was on the phone (thank you, tivo!) and, as I was watching, I kept thinking, Oh that's a really cute little butch girl Lynn's daughter is hanging with! And she plays guitar, too! Well imagine my shock when I watched it and it turned out to be her boyfriend! And he is stringing her along like he's a playa. You could have knocked me over with a feather.

I think Jeana has stock in Spanx.

Gretchen's ring? Well, it's not my taste (I thought it was hideous), but it made her happy. And what is with Jeff's kids? They seem so low energy. I suggest caffeine. Try the Zero Carb Rockstar. It was interesting to see Gretchen without most of her makeup, though, when she was opening the ring. She looked younger that way. I also loved the way she was talking so somberly about Jeff one second and then flashing her ring to Jeff's son the next. It was like a switch went on and off.

I so hope Gretchen hooks up with Ryan and his nugget tattoo next week. You know it would send Tamra into all kinds of conniptions.

I won't even comment on the race track mishegos because it's too easy and it really bored me.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 5:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
To me it just seems like some of the things are so set up-especially last night's episode with the hats and then the racetrack. blech.

Tamra is such a shit stirrer-even talking about her BFF to Lauri.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 5:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I enjoyed last night's show, even when Gretchen did the 180 from talking about Jeff to the "look at my ring!" thing. She seems to be a nice girl, and for her to forgive Tamra like she did shows that she isn't quite like the other cats. And I think Jeff's kids really like Gretchen, I didn't see a speck of jealousy or awkwardness between them.

But...I didn't like the previews for next week's show at all! OMG, I hope she doesn't do anything with Vicki's son! That said though, if my friend started over drinking and then got all lovey dovey touchy feely with someone's son (while having a dying partner in the hospital), I would yank her right by the hair and slap some sense into her! These women were all talking about Gretchen and that she'd had too many shots of tequila, but just sat there and watched her get grabby with the Nugget boy. Eek, it felt so uncomfortable to watch that!

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 7:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
I really don't like Vickie, that's a given, but Tamra is right up there with her. Isn't she the one who said to Vickie, BFF and then she goes around talking smack about her. Whoever she is with she is talking about someone else. I thought the way Vickie and Tamra acted at the track was awful and when they talked about the class of others....don't they know that they are showing the low class that they have?
Next weeks previews look really sad. I hope that nothing happens between Gretchen and Ryan, but if she is in such bad shape, why doesn't Tamra get her son out of there. And why doesn't someone just stop Gretchen from drinking so much.
I am liking Jeanna the best this year. She is really trying to mix with everyone and doesn't seem to snub her nose at anyone like Vickie and Tamra do.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 7:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Oops, I was thinking he was Vicki's son, thanks for clearing that up Countrydaze.

Kellsma
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08-28-2002

Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellsma a private message Print Post    
Last night's show seemed really staged. The Del Mar trip was obviously for the show, they would never have all gone out together as a group uniless directed by the show. I live in OC and have been seeing Jeanna's ads for houses in the OC Register and I noticed she had a new real estate company. Now I know why. I did have to laugh at the hats when Gretchen took all the hot pink hats and then wore a beige hat to the track. It was the first thing I noticed. Then they did a cutaway to Tamra bringing up the same thing. I also noticed how many times the St Regis resort is in this show. It is in Dana Point right by the coast. They have shown Lauri and George having dinner there, getting massages there, and then the hat party. There are quite a few other very high end, beach front resorts nearby but everything is at the St Regis. It was even shown on Laguna Beach: The Real OC when the kids went to lunch right there. The St Regis must do something to get themselves shown so often. There is a beautiful Ritz Carlton across the street and actually on the water and the beautiful Montage restort just north in Laguna Beach. I am sure the St Regis is kicking in some things to get featured. Just my tought :-)

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 8:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Didn't Jo date Jeanna's oldest son? Seems like Bravo can't come up with new material then.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
It is getting way too obviously scripted! I noticed hte St Regis too Kellsma - thanks for adding the other hotel choices in the area!