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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 7:50 am
Welcome to posting, Fishy! And now I'm gonna disagree with you. I've worked in a male dominated industry for years. It can be cutthroat. I don't think that countering aggression with aggression is an effective way to <work/solve problems/live>. Jill's acting like a "rabid jealous spiteful mean broad" does not get an excuse from me. Jill was fine when she was the most popular on the show. When she started to lose popularity, she started to lash out. And THAT increased the fan dislike of her. Had she NOT lashed out, had she taken a step back, admitted she had done wrong, and seemed as if she sincerely apologized for her actions (as well as changing said actions), she would've come out looking much better. Jill is jealous that Alex managed to come out on top in the fans' like column this season. She hates that. She hates Alex and her high school mentality is to cut Alex down so she can build herself up. She just makes herself look worse.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 8:04 am
Zarin fabric is a cut throat business?? Jill's hate for Alex has nothing to do with business it's all personal. I'm in a cut throat business managing and booking various bands in the Chicago area and managing a small CPA firm. But never once have I lowered myself to the point of attacking someone on a personal manner as Jill does routinely.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 8:20 am
Since I have spent most of my career in a literally 'cut throat' business (I was a defense contractor, until recently switching to healthcare), I have to say that Jill is strictly an amateur. You never see the pros coming. She lashes out like a child.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 8:31 am
HAH!! Alisons, I was just coming in here to say that. I worked in Mergers/Acquisitions for 15 years. Those who lash out at others are not considered worth notice. The pros you never see coming. They remind me of the great white sharks that attack by coming up from the bottom and breaching. Your pretty much dead meat. At the end of the day your left, sitting on the curb with your box of belongings trying to figure out what the hell just happened. I have seen it many times.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 8:37 am
First, Jill's involvement in Zarin Fabrics is minimal at best. Did we ever see her there this season? Zarin Fabrics is Bawby's family business; Jill had nothing to do with its development or growth. Second, Alex did not attack Jill's business, so I don't know why Zarin fabrics even came into it. Jill sees Alex as a personal threat, and for the second time, went after Alex's husband, risking his career (remember the Cindy Adams interview last season when Jill said Simon would get falling down drunk at parties?) Third, it isn't just that Alex is becoming more favorable to the viewers, it's that Alex was sitting on Bethenny's couch. By the time the reunion was taped, Alex had been taped on BGM (which Jill wasn't), been invited to and attended Bethenny's wedding (which Jill wasn't), and had seen baby Bryn (which Jill hasn't). These are all things Jill wants to do with Bethenny, but because of her own actions, has missed out on. I think Jill (unlike Kelly) is self-aware enough to realize how her own actions led to these results, but still is insecure enough to want to blame someone else (Alex). Seriously, the psychology of all this is fascinating.
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Fishydu
Member
08-13-2009
| Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 10:02 am
LOL everybody! I'm not saying the reaction I believe Jill is having is the right one or making excuses for her. I'm saying that she's programmed to respond in this fashion. No excuses, could be handled a LOT better in more than one way, she could have been a "white shark" and wasn't 'cause she's not a pro. It's really KEWL to be able to discuss this show! Thanks for the welcome.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 10:20 am
Glad we didn't scare you away! Prisoner, I agree... the psychology of this is fascinating. Not fascinating enough to make me want to watch next season if the viciousness continues as it had this past season, however.
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 10:23 am
I'm not in the business world but my husband and his brother run a small business employing 80 people. I've never seen either my husband or brother in law stoop to the tactics that Jill has. It's obvious Jill isn't a business woman. Alex is right when she called Jill a mean girl. Jill has acted in a vindictive and cruel way towards Alex and Simon. There are no excuses as to why, just the fact that she's jealous of Alex's friendship with Bethany. Plus Alex is young and beautiful.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 10:35 am
I could handle Jill if Kelly wasn't there. Kelly just sucks the life right out of every scene she is in, and that just isn't enjoyable. However, since she can't even acknowledge the need for change, I doubt she ever will. Jill has brought some fun moments to the show, but, as Bethenny says, she got caught up in the fame aspect. Jill can at least acknowledge she screwed up, even if she is not yet capable of truly changing. If Bravo gets rid of Kelly and Jill gets over herself, the show could be enjoyable again.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 10:36 am
I think it has gone to far over the line. I don't think it is salvageable.
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 12:00 pm
I’ve changed my mind over Kelly. I thought for the entire last 2 seasons that there was something wrong with Kelly. Either she was on some sort of drug like meth or she was suffering from a mental health disease. But I’ve changed my mind. I think Kelly acts the way she does because she’s basically an idiot . By idiot I’m saying the technical term. noun an utterly foolish or senseless person. Psychology. a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25. I think Kelly is mostly harmless but I think Jill can be lethal and I much rather have Kelly back than Jill for next season.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 3:12 pm
Just a reminder that the "lost footage" episode airs at 9:00 EDT tonight.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 3:17 pm
I think Kelly has some savvy to her tho - her career, etc.. and I wonder how much of it is an act - something is an act! Jill well, I think that lovely term frenemy may apply to Jill
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Friday, June 25, 2010 - 12:41 am
Thanks for the impressions of Alex's nude photos. I was hoping for more voices, but I'll take what I get since it is old news and I just started posting in non BB threads. Mgm, I agree with you, but I do not like the word (idiot). On the other hand I use that term instead of swear words. Kelly realy does not know common phrases used in regular life (Is it uneducated or unable to learn?). Kelly seems unabale to comprehend general conversation. (Pre St. John's convo involving Kelly, Jill and Luann. Kelly felt she had to explain to Jill and Luann what 'shoot the messanger' meant. Almost as if 'she' was the only one that knew what that meant.) <eye roll> P6, yes Kelly does suck the life out of a scene she is in. The current best example is her and Ramona working out in St. Johns. Who has ever seen Ramona that quiet? Reader, I think Kelly's savvy is assitant directed. Kelly is to busy thinking about cartwheels, unicorns, rainbows and 'sachels of gold'. Great for Alex's book to go for a second printing. We didn't hear that from Jill, so more cattiness to come from Jill.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Friday, June 25, 2010 - 12:44 am
Oh and Fishy, I want to know your secrets/info, but I am afraid of the information, lol. Welcome. I have been blindsided by much better that Jill and haven't a clue of how. Any insider secrets?
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, June 25, 2010 - 5:30 am
Welcome Fishy - ITA its fun to have someone to discuss my thoughts on shows, for some reason my real life friends/family just arent interested! Jill, Jill, Jill, is she blindsided by her own power/money? Her going in and buying the watch - her attitude about her gifts from Bobby was just sad! Poor Jill her birthday, and anniversary, and holiday are so close together - AS IF any one believes she lets Bobby get away with ignoring her... Ramona really worked hard on "renewal" how many times we were shown her stopping and reminding herself, renewal... I give her credit, its not easy to change, and we could see her work on it - even while the "old" Ramona seeped out, she was infinately more interesting to watch this season than in past seasons for me... I was glad to see the usual Andy wrap up with each giving what they are doing this summer... the raw emotion from Bethenny sure reminded me on how fragile new moms are, and she didnt get enough credit for that - because she has so many walls up to protect herself I believe...
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, June 25, 2010 - 5:58 am
I didn't get the "lost footage" scene with Kelly going over to Sonja's. Was that just so she could get more camera time? And who the heck goes over to someone's house and gives them a 14 day cleanse. And the lecture about "healthful." WTH? She who slams jelly beans? Really? I did like Ramona, although the scene with the sweat glands could've been eliminated and I'd have been fine with it. Ramona is definitely working on trying to improve herself and it shows. (Jill could take a lesson from her, yes?) And so odd, but I really did like Alex this season. I guess, sans Simon, she was much more likable. That, plus the balls she finally decided to grow and show.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Saturday, June 26, 2010 - 4:48 am
Costa, I remember a scene/lunch with Kelly and Ramona during the season about Kelly taking Sonia 'the cleanse'. Romana said not to bring it to her. I hated the sweat glad scene, but it is what it is, it happened. I just didn't want to see that much of it. Fixing sweat glands isn't plastic surgery (enhancement). I can see someone who has the money to afford it getting it fixed. (oh if I had the money I could fix........nevernmind.) And speaking of jelly beans, what the heck was on Kelly's 'cocktail' tray? Jelly beans, grapes, ......those two I know for sure. Where was the cheese? Oh and were those ring thingys Funyuns? Yikes!!
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Saturday, June 26, 2010 - 7:08 am
Costa, that whole scene with Kelly going over to Sonja's house with the cleanse was just bizarre. And the whole thing about Kelly chastising Sonja for not working out was just so rude. However, I was dying laughing at Sonja having to explain to Kelly the difference between a "cougar" and a "cub."
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Saturday, June 26, 2010 - 7:43 am
Kelly is a fly, on a cub, being shot by with an AK47 by Bethennay. Kelly would never say anything rude. It's all Bethenny's world.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Sunday, June 27, 2010 - 10:16 pm
Kelly says plenty that's rude and dusts it off with her being real ::vomits::
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Monday, June 28, 2010 - 1:02 am
I knew I needed to add an emoticon to my last post. I can just never find the right one. <insert eyeroll after my 8:43 post.> Someone that turns off others peoples conversations, cannot hope to be real. How can they say they are real when they ignore what is going on around them? Kelly get in reality and accept what you do and have done. LISTEN. Get help girl.
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Shelb724
Member
10-20-2002
| Monday, June 28, 2010 - 3:21 am
Just reading this about Kelly--isn't that something called narcissim? (forgive me if this has already been brought up). I work with someone who is like that--if the conversation isn't about her or her life, she tunes you out. But if it is about here, she's right there, blabbing about herself and her life and how important she is...
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Oliviamimi
Member
05-30-2009
| Monday, June 28, 2010 - 3:29 pm
Yep Shelb, that is a perfect example. They think the whole world, and everything and everyone in it revolves around them. If it doesn't, they somehow turn events around to make it about them. Add that with a tad of paranoia and spoiled brat, stir well and wallah! You have Kelly.
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Shelb724
Member
10-20-2002
| Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 8:27 am
Yep, its official, i work with a "Kelly." . Just can't get away from it!
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