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Countrydaze
Member
11-07-2003
| Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 12:17 pm
Somehow I feel Joseph was a plant to kind of spice up the first show. The people who go on that show really want to be there and it seemed to me that the whole thing was just kind of acting to me, I don't believe for a minute that it was real.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 12:51 pm
I had thoughts in both directions about Joseph, but he's either a great actor, or pretty tormented.. If he just decided to go out that way, really too bad, since I'm sure there were many others willing to give the show a try.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 12:56 pm
I don't know. He just doesn't seem to even comprehend what Ramsay was saying, and then, as many battle stressed combat survivors do, went off in a rage. That pattern is just so familiar to me, from the work I do with vets.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 1:13 pm
I'm pretty sure he was a plant or was encouraged to just go all nonlinear. If you notice, the two production guys just stood there, they didn't try to pull him away and off camera. Nor did Ramsey really look too worried. Which is why I sorta thought he was a plant. As far as the combat rage thing, I'm pretty sure they go thru pretty intensive psych evals (especially because I can't imagine it's all fun 'n games to have Ramsey yelling in your face and calling you a donkey all the time). So that's another reason why I thought it was all staged. I don't know whether ratings were dropping or what, but what with Joseph pulling his stunt, and the total misdirection with the fire alarm, I think this show has jumped the shark. Well, add in the return of the misogynistic-acting Robert, and fer sure they did.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 1:34 pm
IMO, psych evals on reality shows often look FOR people that will make good tv, not necessarily those who are psychologically healthy.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 1:55 pm
I think some reality shows do choose the most vulnerable sorts, which I find reprehensible. MTV Real World is especially guilty of that, but they aren't alone. Big Brother as well, but Real World way too often seems to seek out people with very real and very dangerous issues to exploit. I think that they had such success with Pedro, who was not exploited because he was using that show as a platform to reach young people about AIDS and protection against STDs and then with Ruthie in Hawai'i and the alcohol poisoning issue. I think Ruthie took them by surprise and she was likeable and they helped her out but since then I think they realize that a fragile person can be money in their bank, but they are playing with lives. Not saying that they knew this guy would pop off like he did, but I have to wonder. And if so, shame on them.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 2:56 pm
I think there is some liability there, even amongst disclaimers signed, that if a reality show contestant who is known to be <insert whatever> is allowed on the show and the buttons that aggravate <insert whatever> are pushed. You know what I mean. Yes, I'm sure some shows do look for those marginal cases. But Joseph wasn't marginal. He was completely ballistic.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 5:33 pm
All I could think of when Joseph went off was....in 20 years he's going to be so embarrassed about what a little punk he acted like.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 5:49 pm
And what an addition to his resume.. yeah, right, that will cause the world to beat down his door to hire him! Riiiight.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 7:10 pm
I have not watched the show yet - tomorrow at the library, I hope - but he was Waaaaaay too intense when they were "enjoying" their reward on the yacht. People responsible for hiring line cooks and sous chefs are seeking TEAM players who can get along with others! I doubt that he will be working in a big time restaurant any time soon - if ever!
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Weeto
Member
07-24-2009
| Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 12:57 am
Joesph is in serious need of therapy and anger management before he really harms himself/his future. I don't think it was a set up. Gordon is not a pushover and wouldn't give someone like that the satisfaction of being intimidated. Between the way Gordon grew up and the way he acts in the kitchen, this is the not the first person to lose their cool with him. To me Joesph didn't understand the request and then felt that he was being demeaned by the repeated questioning, which is clearly untolerable to him. He can walk away with puffed up I am a Man pride instead of being allowed (by himself) to feel stupid. The producers and casting do look for unstable, personality disordered people. These people create drama thru their inability to relate to other people and their over exaggerated emotional responses. They dance the liability line by doing criminal background checks and have a "very clear policy against violence". The security guys didn't intervene physically because Joesph hadn't crossed that line yet and the footage was good. With them both standing there Gordon was not going to get hurt even if he did try to attack.
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Cablejockey
Member
12-27-2001
| Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 4:42 am
All I can say is that I happy to see someone challenge Ramsey when he verbally assaults these people who put themselves in the line of fire for a restaurant. Its one thing to scream at someone because of their cooking ablities, but the Chef attacks also on a personal level--which isnt fair. If anger management classess are being offered Ramsay should join one too, Especially in light of the trouble his anger and mouth got him into in Australia this spring!!
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 9:21 am
Cable - can you post a link to info on the Australia situation?
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Cablejockey
Member
12-27-2001
| Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 11:27 am
OK here are some links to the story. link link
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 1:02 pm
Thanks! I will check them out!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 8:06 am
All I can say is that I didn't like Robert last season but this season he is truly painful to watch. Ordering people around, acting egotistical and belligerent and getting defensive and violent. I think the fact that Ramsay brought him back and gave him a second chance has gone to his head and not in a good way.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 8:44 am
I totally agree with you, Jimmer. I was not thrilled to hear he came back, and I think this week is the last time I'm going to watch. I think he's totally unbearable. And I'm tired of the pity party he pulls. He's morbidly obese. He needs to take care of that. And then take anger management classes.
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Ladyw
Member
06-28-2007
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 8:44 am
I loved Chef Scott dressing down that one chef...Oh yeah -- Go Scott!!!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 1:09 pm
I'm sure over Robert.. the way he is acting and not producing I'm betting he'll be on the block next time the guys lose. Interesting that while he didn't let Suzanne protest, he seemed to giver her credit for speaking up. Time for Lovely to go.. third time's not a charm in this case.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, August 07, 2009 - 7:55 am
I still can't get over how many of these people SMOKE!?!? UGH!!!!

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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, August 07, 2009 - 1:32 pm
Same here, Kona.. I don't even want to think of "smoked" food.. from smoked chefs.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, August 07, 2009 - 2:18 pm
Lots of chefs smoke for the same reason LOTS of professional dancers smoke - to help keep their weight down!
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, August 07, 2009 - 2:33 pm
Tnt, almost every chef I know smokes. I've often wondered about that. And I noticed it on the cooking shows. I never thought about the weight thing.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, August 07, 2009 - 3:31 pm
I'm gonna be snarky here so ignore me if you get offended easily... If the chefs are smoking to keep their weight down, then it sure as heck ain't working. Cuz most of 'em are not exactly in the best of shape!!! In fact, I think a fairly high percentage of the peeps on HK are overweight to some degree. I'm about to start smoking again to see if I can lose this danged 10 lbs that won't go away!!!!! 
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Karen
Member
09-06-2004
| Friday, August 07, 2009 - 3:46 pm
Dontcha know the old adage? Never trust a skinny chef!
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