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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 3:00 pm
Of course they show dresses that expose the breasts on the runway all the time. But not all of them are vulgar; that's the problem with that dress. It has that hideous top and then, on the bottom, that satin fabrication grandpa Gunn correctly called "tortured" when he was thinking of doing it this past week (instead of the late-60s era lingerie disguised as the Statue of Liberty dress he had on the runway). So: lots of designers show sheer tops; good designers make them beautiful. Michael's does neither, and frankly the proportions of the dress are terrible.
I won't even get into the gauzy dresses that look like something Peggy Lee wore late in life or the series of voluminous skirts that look like...gah (and are made worse by a poorly-fitting top on the first one).
Even this look, which has pretty great shorts, is ruined by the awful top. It's like Lohan on another bender.
Two good things: at least his styling isn't terrible. It had to look very edgy because the clothing itself looks antiquated. And, while I hate the color story, that's a personal thing. Many people love these beigey tones. To me, it reminds me of my grandmother, who, like many elderly Jewish women, used to sit in her beige living room, on her beige sofa, with her beige blonde colored hair, and her beige foundation. You'd walk in and say, "grandma! Are you here? I can't see you!"
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 3:56 pm
LOL Tish. I actually love the last outfit you posted. 30 years ago and 30 pounds ago, I could have worn it.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 4:09 pm
I'll have to see the last outfit on the runway, but I kinda like the top if it's supposed to swoop like that. And oh yeah, I'd totally rock that outfit, even now! (I ain't working my abs to death with my personal trainer for nothin'!) I also like the top above that one, with the gray skirt. It would be cute with jeans and a jacket. I'm pretty sure top 2 are gonna be Mondo and Andy, and I'll be surprised if they aren't.
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Daydreamer
Member
05-30-2008
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 5:02 pm
Tish, I did a spit-take with my coffee, reading your description of beige Grandma. Perhaps the Mods can create a different kind of warning, akin to the Spoiler Box: the Spit-Take Alert. (Then you'd know to click on it and read what's inside only after you already swallowed the beverage in your mouth.)
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 11:18 pm
Aren't the collections still considered spoilers since they haven't been shown on the show yet?
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Dovez
Member
08-27-2005
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 12:38 pm
it's probably not technically a spoiler if more contestants than the actual three finalists are shown. we don't actually know who the final three are and are just commenting on our favorites. jmo
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 1:33 pm
Yeah, because something like 8 or 10 of them showed collection at Fashion Week. The pictures of these collections have been out since the season first started.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 1:52 pm
When I initially posted links to the collections, I put my comments in spoiler boxes because I know some people don't want spoiling of any kind re: fashion week, but people have been discussing the collections fairly liberally on the thread, so I thought, barring any complaints about discussing the collections, it would be OK to post pics of the clothing I was talking about. If it's a problem--and I appreciate that it might be--the mods can take the pics down.
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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 5:49 pm
I love the pics! I don't think they spoil in any way. But I never mind being spoiled either, so definitely don't have a sensitivity about it. Usually I prefer it! I have to admit.....I kinda like the nipple dress. Not with the nips of real women showing in public, of course, but put a plain little strapless camisole underneath it and I think it would be really cute. Though I want to pull it over to the right for her and line it up! I like symmetry. I don't like the 2nd top, can't decide about the 4th one, but like all of the skirts and even the shorts. I love the 3rd top. And I like the belts. I like the color palette, too....though I understand your problem with it in light of your grandma Tish! (Made me laugh.) My grandma never wore beige, so I guess she freed me up to like it!
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Carlpsmom
Member
01-03-2004
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 6:36 pm
I must be an idiot! The clothes they seemed to praise the most and they sent him home. Gretchen's were dull as dishwater. Oh well, leaves me free next Thursday. I know someone I like will win, I already saw the collections and I do not want to see Gretchen. lol
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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 6:43 pm
Wow - Michael C couldn't thank the judges for the wonderful opportunity he had been handed nor could he congratulate the other three for making it to the finale. I would have expected that from Gretchen but I wasn't expecting it from him. Yeah, yeah - I get the background story but enough with the tantrum already because that's what it was. Either your clothes speak for themselves or they don't just as I'm not buying Gretchen's self pity story either. Do these people really think the judges are just going to give in to them because of tears? Granola? That was way too kind as a description of her style. I thought Andy should have easily been 2nd choice for the finale but what do I know?! As far as I'm concerned, only his and Mondo's pieces will matter next week.
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Nerovh
Member
06-12-2005
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 6:46 pm
Gretchen is related to one of the producers or judges. That is the only explanation for why she is still there after that crap she sent down the runway tonight. Holy moly, those were some ugly clothes!
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 8:28 pm
I'm pretty surprised too that Gretchen goes on and Michael C. does not. It seemed his only "negative" was the color scheme. Gretchen's clothes are hideous.... I think Mondo will win this and deservedly so. Michael was devastated to face his family who have not been supportive at all. He did say encouraging words to the other three towards the end. I think he just needed time to process; he's an emotional guy and very talented. I hope he goes on....I loved the flow of his dresses.
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Beth4freedom
Member
10-24-2003
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 9:47 pm
I am still reeling a bit from Gretchen coming in second tonight (Mondo in first seemed a given). I would have placed them this way: Mondo, Michael C, Andy (because his collection tonight was a little thin), then Gretchen.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:52 pm
I was happy to hear Mr Kors reiterate my thoughts: that Michael thinks that if you apply feathers and spangles and other dreck, it means "show," but instead it's more showgirl. Or as I said, it looks like a Las Vegas tranny or a Palm Springs C lister gone to seed. That being said, Gretchen's stuff was equally bad. Seems to me she's there because Lifetime needed one woman to go on; they could have gotten rid of both Gretchen and Michael and nobody would have been worse off. As I said when I saw the final lines, if Andy or Mondo doesn't win, it's a travesty. I personally think Andy's line is really lovely, but this is obviously Mondo's season. He, Jay, and Christian are undoubtedly the most talented designers this show has given us. I also love that Mondo's PR profile lists his fashion icons as Pee Wee Herman, Michael Jackson, David Bowie, and Grace Jones. What could be more perfect? (And speaking of Grace Jones, in a way, Mondo is like a 21st century fashion version of Ms Jones' late, great friend Keith Haring).
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 11:19 pm
Oh I forgot. I remember Gretchen talking about how poor her family was, but nothing prepared me for Andy levels of poverty. Wow. He grew up in a shack that looked like something from the 3rd world. I don't care how much land there was, that house was like a shack you'd see in the poorest places on earth. He was hilarious talking about the catfish though: they look like old Chinese men! LOL. I was totally unsurprised that Michael's partner was almost an exact clone of himself, right down to the bad haircut. He seems just that narcissistic. And then he proved it when he made the final three all about him not making it. Loved the story about Mondo not playing shortstop well, but doing it so he could play piano. And, of course, Grandpa Gunn had to make that story about himself, just as he did with Gretchen's revelation that her partner had left her during her time in NYC. If Grandpa Gunn looked more like Michael, they'd be a perfect couple: "involved" but completely self-involved--and both with questionable taste. Too bad Andy doesn't seem to have a partner. He seems so interesting and has such an interesting perspective. I hope he finds a nice young man who deserves him.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 1:45 am
Not sure about Gretchen being related to a producer but it was clear she was "in" after Heidi loved her stuff.. and I cannot imagine for a moment Heidi wearing anything that looked like Gretchen's outfits tonight. They made me laugh, until I heard Heidi and realized Gretchen was going to make final three. Mondo for the win!!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 2:01 am
Gretchen also tops the non favorite list at this site: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/39776461/ns/today-entertainment/
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 4:52 am
Gretchen's runway show was absysmal as was whatever the heck it was SHE was wearing? (Those tights looked like support hose and it looked like she was wearing a shirt as a dress.) Her "granola" look totally turns me off and I'm surprised she made it through. Aside from the fact that I cannot stand the woman and her sense of entitlement (because oh poor Gretchen she doesn't have a home to go back to), I hated every single piece she showed both at home and on the runway. Her designs are boring, her styling was awful (really? flat shoes?), and her clothes look like they belong in a Kohl's rather than a runway (not that I've ever been in Kohl's but it's what I'd expect middle America to wear if they were into granola). There wasn't a bit of chic in anything she did. Shudder! I totally understand Michael's emotional breakdown (especially after he saw Gretchen's example of a runway show). It does sound like he's conflicted between living life the way he wants and pleasing his parents. He did manage to pull himself together though. And I loved his 11th piece... that really did show his strength, the casual, drapy, elegance. I loved Andy's home. Yes, he comes from rural Hawaii, and to have come from that background and make it to Mercedes Benz Fashion Week is quite an accomplishment. I wasn't so sure about some of his pieces, but I did love two of the three outfits he sent down, even if they WERE all "evening." Mondo did exactly what I expected... pure Mondo. The man is genius in both his designs, way of handling mixed patterns, and execution and fit. I would wear anything Mondo puts out without hesitation. Mondo cracks me up, but the man is genius. At least next week I won't have to watch the entire show. I can FF thru the gawdawful granola crunchy show. One thing I don't quite get... technically ALL the designers (well top 6 or whatever) get to "show" in the runway show. So even if they aren't still in competition for the prize, they are still getting exposure. I mean, I get that it's misdirection so we don't know who the finalists are, but with that exposure, the top whatever are all still winners.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 5:05 am
I was going to say Fashion Bug instead of Kohl's. I think some of hers are perfectly nice, wearable clothes. But they aren't high runway fashion. Kors nailed it when he said they looked cheap.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 6:12 am
Somehow it doesn't "upset" me that Michael was too motional to thank/congratulate people right after his loss. I feel badly that he is so worried about his family's reaction. It would be a different story if he were so upset about his loss, just because he didn't win. But I think he was counting on this win to prove to his family that him wanting to design was worth something. They pushed this obviously gay man into marrying a woman. They want him to be something he is not. I think he was hoping a win would validate him in their eyes....
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 6:55 am
Personally, I felt very bad for Michael. I think coming from his background in his eyes not only did he fail on the show (however 4th place is not a failure) he failed in his quest to prove to his family he is a talented man, a talented gay man. Losing in his eyes will allow his family to say "I told you so, you failed, this is not who you are". And honestly, I don't think I would keep it together either. That being said - Andy FTW! And for no other reason than he made "Granpa Gunn" squeal during the catfish segment.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 6:55 am
Shocking! Gretchen's collection was way too pedestrian for the likes of PR's fashion week show. Boo-hiss.
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Carlpsmom
Member
01-03-2004
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 6:58 am
Wow!I had no clue I was into granola! Since, I do go into Kohls. Guess my middle America's sensibilities are not as developed as others. Forgive me.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, October 22, 2010 - 7:09 am
Dunno what a Fashion Bug is, but yeah, while they may be perfectly wearable clothes, they are not haute couture nor do they really belong in a high fashion runway show. Pret a porter maybe, but not couture. "Pedestrian" is a good word for her collection. Oh, yeah, and I LOL'd at Andy and the catfish and Tim!!! Old Chinese man! HAHAHAHA!
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