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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Friday, November 06, 2009 - 5:56 pm
It wasn't that she didn't have $200. It was that she didn't want to get slapped with a $200 late payment fee. That's right, Beekind, so she probably wanted to borrow more than $200. I agree she shouldn't have asked Vicki and Vicki was right to not loan it. It's very surprising to me that not loaning her money is what stopped Jeana from talking to Vicki. Sheesh, there were worse things that happened over the previous two years.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, November 06, 2009 - 6:09 pm
Oh, yes, Cricket...I'm sure it was more than $200 that she wanted to borrow! Especially if the late fee would have been that high. I see Jeana in the market (Albertson's, Kellsma. I always see Jeana at Albertson's and Vicki at Ralph's) and she wasn't looking too great. Usually when I see her, she's dressed pretty nicely, hair and makeup done, etc. But lately, she's mostly wearing sweats and her hair is messy and pulled up. Also, whenever I used to see her, she had a woman with her who I assumed was her housekeeper or assistant or something. Jeana would strut the aisle and that woman would go get the stuff off the shelves. She just didn't seem to have that strut going on at all, and the last time I saw her, she was arguing with someone on the phone about which kind of soup mix to get. LOL I sort of think the old Jeana just would have sent that woman to get one of each kind of soup mix. Frankly, I'm a bit surprised she left the series, as it was a source of income. The real estate market here has taken such a dive that I don't doubt that she would be having monetary troubles. She lived high. And she must not have saved much, if she's worried about making payments and having to ask to borrow. I remember a bit from last year when she was hosting a shopping party and was telling someone to buy a bunch of stuff, it's only money, and stuff like that. Something about $150,000 being "nothing". I mean, I feel bad for her, as I do for everyone else who is struggling so hard in these times, but her story is sort of the perfect example of how it can all disappear overnight and how one must be frugal and thinking about the future. I know her husband has been arrested several times recently for DUIs and has spent time in jail, so I'm sure there are legal fees and so on as well. I dunno. Her life just sort of seems to be a mess at the moment. She just overindulged herself and her kids, I think. Anyway...she doesn't really seem to be a very happy person at the moment, just based on my passing her in the grocery aisles, which really means nothing at all. I'm just being gossip-y.
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Countrydaze
Member
11-07-2003
| Friday, November 06, 2009 - 6:41 pm
I don't think anyone can relate unless they have walked in 'Gretchens shoes, what she has been through. She lost her fiance last year and people handle grief in different ways. She did say that she made some bad choices and I think that she did and is sorry, but I think she should be cut a break. Tamera is a witch big time. Remember last year when she got Gretchen drunk on purpose? Well, karma is a B.... and looks like its coming back to bite Tamra, usually I feel bad for other peoples misfortunes, but not this time. Not only is her marriage falling apart, but looks like she may be losing her house too and from the previews it looks like her new bff 'Vicki has some harsh words about her too. The only ones I feel sorry for are her children. Ok now that I got that off my chest I feel better.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, November 06, 2009 - 6:49 pm
More gossip-y stuff: I feel sorry for Tamra's kids, too. I once saw her and two of her kids at IHOP, and she was on the phone the entire time. She didn't interact with them once during the meal. I felt bad for them. And she kept telling the waiter that she could smell smoke on someone and it was making her sick. She wanted to go sit in the section of the restaurant that was closed because of it. I felt sorry for the waiter, too, because she really wasn't very nice to him.
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Kellsma
Member
08-27-2002
| Friday, November 06, 2009 - 8:39 pm
Haha Bee.....I got excited just because I saw Vicki at Nordstrom at the Spectrum a few weeks ago. I know you live closer to them. I am down in Lake Forest so don't do my grocery shopping up there. I just can't feel too sorry for those that lived too high for too long and now are struggling. I have been in my same house in Orange County for 18 years and owe less on it the the amount for a nice car. We could have moved many times and sold our house for a nice profit and bought something much higher but it was more important to us to pay off the house. Tamra is sitting in a situation where she owes more on her house then it is worth, her husband lost his job at the Mercedes Benz dealer a couple of years ago yet he was giving her a $40,000 watch for her birthday??? Jeana can't afford to fix her son's $2000.00 car problem yet she is sittig in a $5.5 million dollar house and was buying her kids BMWs and other high end cars. I felt extravagant buying my daughter a Hyundai because it was new. I will never live the life they have lived but I also don't have to worry about losing my house or know that I am livig beyond my means. This is a area where it is easy to do but we luckily never got sucked in. I think Vicki is the only one doing well and I know the show has really helped her grow her business. She has so many insurance agents under her that found her because of the show. She proves that hard work does pay off. Even if you don't like Vicki, you have to admit she has worked hard to get where she is. When I did see her at Nordstrom, she was by herself, was very quiet, and no one was bothering her. It was actually nice to see.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, November 06, 2009 - 9:04 pm
You know what, Kells? I'm exactly like you. We've lived in this house for 22 years, and have paid the mortgage off and intend to stay here. It's a great feeling, isn't it? And, like you with the kids' cars...none of them ever got new cars. They got our old used cars. And we've kept all of our cars for as long as they kept running. None of this "latest style", fanciest car type thing. I do have a towncar, but it's ten years old. My convertable Mustang is 17 years old, and is still dreamy to me. LOL My kids drove my old station wagon and DH's old truck and VW. It worked. And so did they...to buy their insurance. HA! There really is a lot of "living beyond your means" out here. But, you know what? I think there are a lot of folks like you and me, too. Folks who can feel good about managing to keep their heads above water rather than keeping up with the RHWOC. LOL We really must hook up some time and go HW hunting. LOL!
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 7:31 am
Loved reading your posts Kellsma & Beekindpleez ... love gossip-y!! 
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Kellsma
Member
08-27-2002
| Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 7:54 am
Lets do it Bee....we can find Vicky by shopping for insurance, then we can find Jeana and Tamra by househunting and Lynne by jewelry shopping Seriously though, you and I sound very much alike and though we never got the super fancy lifestyle, we are now sitting pretty. I do love to watch this show because it is in my own backyard(much closer for Bee...) but I don't like how staged it is or want people to think that is how all of OC is. The one thing I do like is that they are showing a dose of reality in how the economy has hit them. Wait until they introduce the new HW's husband, he is a piece of work. Thinks he is so cool driving around in his white Bentley yet tries to nickel and dime you to death. He turned out to be a customer or mine and kept throwing out that what I was providing would be seen on the show. Um, Hello but no one will know it is our product as there won't be any big signs etc so really does not help me at all haha. Hey Bee...let's make our own show, The Real, Real HWOC.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 1:57 pm
Beekind stated: Frankly, I'm a bit surprised she left the series, as it was a source of income. I was surprised as well, because she does seem to need money. Her daughter is @ Cal-Berkeley and that can't be cheap. Your description of her in the store is interesting, because on the show opening there is a shot of her with her hair darker and she looks great, but when you get to the more current pics and see her on the show, she doesn't look as good. She seems faded somehow. Stress is a killer, but obviously she has never learned to save. That's too bad, as it seems she isn't in a good place right now. Having to do the show might have been a good thing for her. Countrydaze stated: from the previews it looks like her new bff 'Vicki has some harsh words about her too. Countrydaze, the only previews I've seen is Vicki facing off with the new housewife, where she says, "Bring it on." I've missed what she's said about Tamra. I thought Tamra and her husband only had 2 small children. Tamra also had her older son. Who is the girl that seems between 9 and 12? Is that their daughter also? If Tamra's husband was laid off 2 years ago, I'm very surprised he hasn't found a new job by now, esp. how he told the son to be more responsible. I know Tamra was selling real estate, but from what she stated on the show, it seems that dried up for her with the market being so bad. If her husband isn't working, how in the world are they still in that house? It is good the show is finally showing some 'reality' as to how bad the economy is and how fleeting being rich can be if you don't handle your money well. I agree that Vicki has come out of this the best. She has always been down to earth and seems to have had solid roots. I really don't know much about Jeana's earlier life, except that she was acting when she met her husband. I wonder why she quit acting and went into real estate? Perhaps with him playing ball and her having a family, it just happened? Quote: We really must hook up some time and go HW hunting. LOL! Yes, Bee and Kellsma...please do..and don't forget your cameras!

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Countrydaze
Member
11-07-2003
| Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 4:08 pm
Cricket, when it showed something about Tamra possibly losing her house, Vicki made a comment about the fact she couldn't believe that Tamra and her husband letting things get so bad and Tamra not going out and getting a job, and I have to agree with her on that one. If real estate is not so good now, perhaps she feels she is too good for another type of job.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 5:35 pm
I have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised to see how well Vicki and Don are getting along. I'm glad they were able to save their marriage.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 8:33 pm
Cricket, when it showed something about Tamra possibly losing her house, Vicki made a comment about the fact she couldn't believe that Tamra and her husband letting things get so bad and Tamra not going out and getting a job, and I have to agree with her on that one. If real estate is not so good now, perhaps she feels she is too good for another type of job. Oh yeah, Countrydaze...you're right. Thanks..I'd forgotten that one already. I guess then I'm also surprised Vicki didn't say something about Tamra's husband getting a job. Lexiegirl, it seems that Vicki may have watched last season and didn't like the person she saw she had become. I hope things work out for her and Don. I'm very surprised about the friction between Tamra and her husband (didn't know he was so controlling) as they seemed to be very happy with each other last year.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 6:24 am
Wow .. Vicki helping Don clean the patio in heals and a strapless dress ... that was odd but good to see. 
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Scout
Member
01-20-2005
| Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 6:57 am
Lexiegirl, it seems that Vicki may have watched last season and didn't like the person she saw she had become. I always like the first few episodes when you can see them trying to change how they acted - only because of how they came across. You can see they've read the message boards. So, they seem to start out with all this resolve to be different, but about three shows in, they've forgotten, and they're back to their true selves. With Vicki, I would imagine by the next episode.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 9:07 am
ROFL, Scout. We'll see, eh? She does seem to have a little problem with the new housewife.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 3:24 pm
I'm not going to judge Jeana on whether she saved any money or not. I can't imagine she'd been doing all that great the last couple of years in the RE market, and it's possible she DID have savings and they are now gone. With her husband's legal problems on top of everything else. And WRT to the $5.5 million house... there's no way she can sell that now (or at least not get that much out of it). We don't know what her mortgage payment is nor do we know the costs to own and run a house like that. It's obvious she's having problems and kudos to her for bailing on the show so that she can sort things out in private. I'm not sure the $$ she'd earn on the show would be worth the stress and possible humiliation of trying to straighten things out in the public eye. Just sayin'...
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Kellsma
Member
08-27-2002
| Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 6:42 pm
Regarding Jeana and staying on the money to make show, not how much they make, but i heard the NY Housewives were trying to get 30,000 per episode. I am sure even half of that would be good for Jeana so I am surprised that she did not stay on. She has been in her house for a while, at least 4-5 years and she was making good money back then so even if she could not sell it now, she should know the cost of running it and 250,000-300,000 a year should do it. She did say it was 9000 sq ft and she could get by on a 5000 sq ft house. Heck, I live in Oc in a 1900 sq ft house with a family of 3. Jeana was the first housewife of the show for Scott Dunlap. He is the founder of this show and still gets credited for producing this show yet on the other RHW shows, he is credited with "based on the conecpt of Scott Dunlap.. or something like that. He is not involved in producing the new shows. Scott and Jeana are very good friends and she found all the original housewives for him and the later ones as well.
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Monday, November 09, 2009 - 6:18 am
It is not a positive thing to see anyone suffer financially or personally in their lives. However it does make me know that the shows are more real or less scripted when the money woes are on screen. I feel particularly bad for Jenna and Lynn who seem to be decent women. How long has Tamara's hubby been unemployed? It does not seem that long ago that he gave her quite the watch < either Cartier or Rolex > for her birthday. Or am I mixing up the wives ?
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Monday, November 09, 2009 - 7:25 am
Simon gave Tamra the watch during the first season when he was still employed.
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Kellsma
Member
08-27-2002
| Monday, November 09, 2009 - 7:01 pm
I think I heard he has been unemployed about 18 mos. Last season they said he was working on marketing some Tequila. He does not look happy this season but I read that he did not want to continue on the show but Tamra did and I am sure the money from the show is coming in handy right now.
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Funfit4life
Member
03-16-2006
| Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 11:05 pm
finally watched the show... there's nothing like a little personal tradegy of your own to make you jump off your high horse. IMO, Tamara is just the worse and when her husband dumps her, maybe she'll get a clue that deep down, her soul is ugly. And the same for Vicki. I cannot STAND people who lack the human element of compassion and understanding. I can't stand judgemental people and these two good for can't figure out what homosapiens are repulsive. They will get theirs..
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Lori32
Member
07-04-2008
| Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 3:13 am
Gee Whiz,that's alotta hate for one little post. I am glad Vicki is being shown in a better light,or that she is doing more to have a more stable family life.I have always been a Vicki fan, (closeted so I don't get killed here,lol) but Even I like the changes. As for Tamra I still like her.She has a huge distaste for Gretchen for many reasons I can agree with. The taking off on vacations while her "fiancee" was on his deathbed,,dating ANOTHER guy while Jeff was dying.. Its just really trashy. Jeanna,well.I CAN find fault in her not preparing for tomorrow.As much money as she made,and her knowing that the economy was going sour fast,she could have liquidated much of her assets and maybe cut back on some things.I do not wish for anyone to be Homeless,or go hungry.but this is a nice wake up call for her.And I like that Colton seems to have matured so much.I was really worried he was traveling the same path as his older brother. Lynn...Well,while I am interested in finding out what she will not be a victim of(lol),she does little to add anything to the show for me,I really DO Fwd thru her scenes. I am a little put off that we didn't get to see more of the new girl.I agree with another poster that said she was similar to Teresa from RHNJ. I ADORE Teresa,and if this is true,I'll be thrilled.Having said that,I don't think she is,lol. Anyhoo,at this point I am rambling,so I'll cut it short.Glad to see all of you back here! Is it Thursday yet?!?!?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 7:40 am
It's a well known and well proven fact that caregivers need and should take time for themselves. The fact that Gretchen went to her family's vacation home, with Jeff's blessing, is really no one's business but hers and his. Tamra sitting there pointing a finger at Gretchen and accusing her of going away for the weekend was totally offensive to me when it aired the first time, and equally offensive when I saw it again on last week's show.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 8:03 am
Tamra is a hypocrite plain and simple. Her so-called reasons for not wanting to be associated with Gretchen and her alledged wanton ways are bogus when she herself has a friend making sex jokes at a child's party and she encouraged her son to put the moves on a drunken Gretchen at that dinner party. No matter how Tamra explains it, she's just plain mean and vindictive. Can't wait for karma to hit her in the butt. As for Gretchen, I agree with everything Costa said. I may not like the woman herself that much or care for her choices but at least she doesn't go out of her way to create evil gossip. Vicki ~ blegh. We saw her true colors last season and I don't see that much of a change in her. She deserves Tamra as a BFF. Jeanna? I thought she owned something like 3 homes the first season? For the rest of us who have lived in small houses within our means, I find it hard to have sympathy for those who live above their means. I'm tired of bailing out the wealthy so they can keep their mansions while I struggle to keep my little shack. Lynn? Way too out of it for my tastes. Heck, they're all too out of it for me at this point, lol. They're all becoming a parody of everything wrong in our current culture. Instead of calling it a reality show, let's just call it what it is ~ a poorly acted staged sitcom.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 8:48 am
Kappy, I thought I heard Jeanna say in one of the earlier seasons that she owned three or four homes. But no one on the board has said anything about it so I thought I was just remembering incorrectly (or making shit up on my mind). Thank you for confirming that I am not losing my mind.
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