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Kitt
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09-06-2000

Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 4:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Maks is in New York, and Brandy is in LA. Not sure why Maks had to be in New York, but that's why she said she hadn't been able to practice yet.

I kind of think it was a bit awkward though for Bruno to ask them to do their showdance (not to mention an imposition, given the number of interviews they do after they've been eliminated, and the emotional strain that probably goes with it). The showdance is something the finalists get to do, and the other dancers usually dance their best/favourite dance during the Tuesday celebrations. Having them do a showdance would be weird (though nice to watch).

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 4:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I'd be happier to be there if I was as loved as Kyle or if I had lumbered my way to a perfect 30!! Kyle's also an actor so I'd think even if there was a reason for him to feel criticized he'd have more experience ignoring it or pretending to do so, than Bristol.

Anyway, it will soon be over! And I have no desire to watch the skating program so that will be less congestion on my DVRs.

Lakecat
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10-01-2006

Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 4:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lakecat a private message Print Post    
I think Bruno was wanting Brandi/Maks to perform to sort of fill the void of Bristol/Mark since they are not very good.

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 5:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alisons a private message Print Post    
I think Bristol is still there as part of a LEFT wing conspiracy - the liberals are voting for her so that they get a chance to bash her and her mother on TV 24x7. You heard it here first!!!

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 5:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
Alisons - now that's a new take on it!!

Rainbow
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09-29-2006

Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 6:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rainbow a private message Print Post    
Karuuna, a computer program to vote for Brandy on DWTS could have been developed by her fans, too, just as you and others speculate might have occurred to generate the votes for Bristol. I wonder why some people assume that Bristol's fans would find ways to "cheat" to accumulate more votes and Brandy's fans would not? Or Jennifer's fans? Or Kyle's fans? I can tell you that I voted for Bristol and I'm not part of any conspiracy! The fact is.....Brandy just didn't get enough votes to win over three other competitors.....Jennifer, Kyle, and Bristol. In my opinion, part of the problem was that Brandy herself made it clear that she expected to be in the finals and went on and on about how she deserved it and wanted to win it for Maks...I think that was a real put-off to a lot of voters. When Larry King asked the final four in an interview on his show who they thought would win, Jennifer and Derek and Brandy and Maks hinted it would be between them, while Kyle and Lacey were much more diplomatic in "dancing" around the subject, and Bristol came straight out and said she thought maybe Kyle would win because he was such a great entertainer. Nobody else considered Kyle to be a real contender and their attitudes and dismissal of him (as well as Bristol) told me a lot. Karuuna, Bristol got the votes because people admired her charm and determination and she has grown into an excellent dancer.....starting from nothing. Even The Situation (Mike Sorrentino) who was on Jay Leno's show last week said he was rooting for Bristol (yes, even over Jennifer) because she was the underdog. At the beginning of this season, I had intended to vote for Jennifer in the finals, and although I think she is technically the most graceful dancer and has the benefit of Derek's incomparable choreography, I'm equally impressed with Kyle because, as Bristol pointed out, he is the most naturally gifted entertainer, and Bristol because, in my opinion, she has proven herself to be worthy of the win.

Lostfan
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03-10-2010

Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 9:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lostfan a private message Print Post    
"I don't understand how
Bristol hasn't lost any weight. Too much moose
meat every time she goes home to visit (only
joking)."



"Bristol got the votes because people admired her charm and determination and she has grown into an excellent dancer"

Lol ... maybe she has improved (not much) ... I wouldnt by any means call her an EXCELLENT dancer ... haha

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Rainbow, very well said! I can't find fault with any of your opinions.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Not voting, just watching.

Trivia question,........In Dirty Dancing....What is Baby's real name?

P.S. Good nose job.

Misspoufy
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09-30-2004

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 8:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Misspoufy a private message Print Post    
Mummy....Frances Houseman

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I wonder why some people assume that Bristol's fans would find ways to "cheat" to accumulate more votes and Brandy's fans would not?

We don't assume it. We see it written and bragged about on conservative blogs; and while there are a few sites encouraging people to vote for Jennifer or Kyle or Brandy, none of them contain explicit instructions on how to cheat as the ones for Bristol do.

That's why. :-)

Misspoufy
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09-30-2004

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Misspoufy a private message Print Post    
Karuuna said, We see it written and bragged about on conservative blogs;

You are making an assumption that simply because someone reads a blog, or participates in a message board that they would cheat because they're conservative. I find that insulting. I am conservative. That doesn't make me a cheater automatically. Just because a blog author writes directions on how to circumvent the voting rules for DWTS doesn't make a Bristol Palin fan a cheater anymore than someone who reads a blog on how to build a bomb makes one a mad bomber.
I really think this whole conspiracy discussion is worn out and needs to end and we be returned to our regularly scheduled message board.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
You are making an assumption that simply because someone reads a blog, or participates in a message board that they would cheat because they're conservative.

FWIW, I never said they WERE cheating. Nor did I ever say that all conservatives are cheaters. I simply posited how easily people COULD cheat given the lack of email validation, and pointed out that SOME conservative blog posters were encouraging others to cheat and providing instructions on how to do so.

Did we not study Venn diagrams and simple logic in high school? Some conservatives are cheaters. That does not imply all conservatives are cheaters. Some liberals are cheaters. That does not mean all liberals are cheaters. To say otherwise, actually IS making an assumption that is incorrect and jumping to a false conclusion about what I actually said. :-)


I also never said ALL Bristol's fans were cheaters or that they were ALL voting for her for the wrong reasons. Some people clearly like her.

Hope that clears that up.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
They may have just been baiting.. spending time blogging about something they didn't bother doing, who knows..

I suspect that there are moderate cheaters, liberal cheaters and conservative cheaters.. cheating crosses all lines.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
And the definition of cheating isn't exactly cast in concrete. What I might think is cheating, another may not and vice versa.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
I think the key here tonight is the judges. They have to resist the temptation to excessively underscore Bristol, because that will rile her fans up. If Jennifer and/or Kyle stink up the joint, they can't overscore them either, because that will rile Bristol's fans up as well. They have to be honest in their scoring, and just let the chips fall where they may. They might just end up punting like they usually do- everyone is within a point or two of each other, and it comes down to fan voting- and maybe who gets Brandy's votes.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The thing is that cheating takes effort and commitment. I just don't see that as widespread with this type of dance show but I guess anything is possible. I think it's more likely that they posted that stuff to get people talking about it and stir the pot. And it worked.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Sea, it is true that they may have just been baiting. But I prefer to see things as Maya Angelou advises: when someone tells you who they are, believe them.

Jimmer, it takes no more time than writing the program in many cases. And for those not that savvy, obsession runs rampant in our society.

Of course there are thousands of viruses written by people who gain nothing from them but some self satisfaction in the destruction and mayhem they cause. So yes, there most certainly are people who will do that, and we know there are.

Whether it happened here or not, we will never know, because the show is not likely to admit it. They will quietly hire their own hackers to close the loopholes if they are smart.

My point was just to say it most certainly *IS* possible, and that people *ARE* bragging about doing it; and so we have to consider the possiblity that it happened.

It's just reality, IMO.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree that it is possible.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
By the way, I say this as a website owner, who sees my website attacked almost daily by people trying to get in to steal credit cards. Daily! Now they can't steal anything from my website, and if they were smart they could see that just by placing an order; but apparently they are smart enough to write programming to attack the website to find its vulnerabilities, but not *sensible* enough to see there's nothing there of value.

So I guess MY perspective comes from knowing just how many hackers there are out there, how persistent they are; and yes, knowing that they do things sometimes just to be mischievous.

It's not a big stretch to think a few of them might be Palin fans and might like the notoriety of "fixing" the contest in a way that causes a lot of consternation, because Bristol/Sarah are particularly controversial figures.

So, yeah, my opinion that it is certainly possible, and even quite likely comes from my own experiences with the wealth of very smart hackers out there; and just how easy it would be to take advantage of the website voting site. Very easy, if someone as simple as I could envision that programming!

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 10:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
And, what's to say it isn't a liberal going to a conservative site to urge cheating just to make the conservatives look bad. The old double-whammy.

I have friends who believe everything anyone sends them. If they see it in print then its as good as straight from God as far as they are concerned.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I just have to laugh at the sites that claim Ms Palin has become "a great dancer."

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
OG - because the people making those posts on the one site I have perused are mostly long time posters on that blog. So now you have to add that they anticipated that Bristol was going to be on DWTS a few years ago and have been posting there to cover their anticipated plan to mess with the voting. Now that's a conspiracy theory!

I don't swear by any of this by the way. I just think it's just as speculative to say that there isn't cheating as there is. My point again, is that it is quite possible and quite easy to cheat and cheating has been advocated (with instructions) which makes it more likely.

FWIW, I think the vast majority of Bristol votes are legitimate. I think many of them come from people who think she has done well. I think some portion of them come from people who like her because they like Sarah Palin. Frankly the ratings are up, as they often are because of a popular but controversial figure. Those are people drawn to the show who weren't watching when a Palin wasn't on it, and who would therefore be predisposed to vote for her.

I think some votes are coming from people who don't watch the show, but think she should win because she is a Palin; and because they like to stick it to liberals (face it, there are those people out there!)

And I think some percentage of votes are coming from people who are gaming the system.

That's not meant to disparage her, or anyone who is voting for her because they think she has accomplished something here.

It's just stepping back and looking at it realistically, IMO.

It is not realistic (to me) to believe that every single vote for Bristol has come because people are just wowed by her phenomenal accomplishments here; or because they think she is the best dancer. She's not. That's plain as the nose on my face.

It would be unprecedented for someone whose talent is so far behind the other dancers to win DWTS. So that's why I'm speculating. I don't wish Bristol any ill. I think she has done her best; and she is not in control of the voting.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Yet the judging hasn't reflected that her talent is so far behind the other dancers. In fact, she is quite close according to them. So the judges are probably at least as responsible for her still being on the show as genuine supporters, cheaters, programs, voting bots, whatever.

And they are supposed to be experts. If we're looking for conspiracies, perhaps we should question why they are judging her that highly?

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 22, 2010 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Ratings, Jimmer, ratings. :-)

Actually, it's my perception that towards the end of the season, the judges always tend to judge people fairly evenly, it seemed to me to throw the decision toward the voters.