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Beth4freedom
Member
10-24-2003
| Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 9:02 pm
Looked for thread for Flipping Out, but couldn't find one. Am really curious about what people thought of the "storyline" this season about Ryan/Jeff split--and how they appeared in the reunion show tonight. To be frank, during the airing of the episodes, I thought it was something "artificial", just worked up for the cameras, but tonight it appeared more real and a genuine relationship mess. I did see some fault on both sides, but really think Jeff has become obsessive about this. I guess I am more on Ryan's side, if it's really real. Any one have thoughts on this?
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 10:12 pm
Well, I never thought it was faked for the camera/show so tonight didn't surprise me much. I really think Jeff has turned a mountain into a molehill and he has pushed Ryan away one too many times with his accusations. I truly hope their friendship is not at an end.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 10:12 pm
I think Deb needs to step in and clear things up.
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Beth4freedom
Member
10-24-2003
| Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 11:18 pm
How have I missed seeing Deb this season? I've seen bits and snippets of her, say talking on the cell, but I don't think I have ever seen her full face, or for example, having lunch with the gang. And yet I keep hearing about her. Where/how did Jeff find her? Thanks for validating for me, Twinkie. I too thought that OCD Jeff had become obsessive about this, possibly in reaction to the fact that they were just naturally drifting apart because of changes in business et al. You could tell during the season that Ryan was pretty much oblivious to the storm that was building with Jeff. I remember when they were ironing out the final bills for Valley Oak, Ryan had a $50 bill of some kind he thought Jeff should pay, and he finally just caved rather than continue the argument. You could tell how hurt he was that his character had been defamed behind his back. And how much he really desperately wants to call Jeff, but he's not willing to lie by apologizing for something that he didn't do. or in the case of the .tv website, did by accident while trying to do a favor.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 11:38 pm
Deb is a character Jenni plays. She is kinda butch, apparently has a knee problem, and is one of the funniest things I have seen on the show. Re: the l'affaire Ryan/Jeff, I think both bear some responsibility. It is shady that Ryan registered a .tv website in Jeff's name (Jeff can do that for himself, thank you), but it's also probably true that Ryan didn't keep any business from Jeff. Maybe it's me, but to me Ryan didn't look well tonight--very thin, sunken eyes, etc.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 11:43 pm
I still am confused by the Jeff/Ryan conflict. Jeff is a flipper, Ryan is a designer. Jeff only decided to go into designing after the high end real estate market crashed. In essence, he was moving into Ryan's territory. How could Ryan be stealing clients from him? It's clear that Ryan was attempting to take advantage of the notoriety from being on the show AND, yes, being an associate of Jeff's. In the end, I believe that Ryan was executing standard business strategies by utilizing all forms of advertising and media exposure while Jeff was not. Jeff finally clued into this and took it as a personal offense, since all business is personal to Jeff.
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 1:34 am
I was sad watching this show. It felt very real to me. I have been having a long standing argument with someone who thinks I blew things out of proportion. Long story, but it was not a working relationship and I can see how that leads to different kinds of misunderstandings. Jeff is in a business and he has "people" to do things for him. Ryan offered to do something and it didn't work. It did seem like it worked a little though.I think a lot of the problem is that they were not speaking the same language. Unless you take a good deal of face time to discuss things, you can't resolve them. I don't think Ryan can deal with a large bit of Jeff anymore. He is larger than life and seems to think his eccentricities are endearing rather than frustrating. While it is amusing for me to watch him, I can do very well without any such person in my life, thank you very much.A little Jeff goes a long way. It is sad, but I think their relationship is permanently over. Now Zoyla is starting to wear thin on me and the baby, not a good idea when you are the baby, Jeff.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 4:37 am
I still don't know what to make about the Jeff/Ryan fiasco. Did any clients go to Jeff and say that Ryan tried to prevent them from using Jeff or that by using Ryan they were still going to work with Jeff? I think they were both right, and both wrong.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 6:11 am
Ryan did look really thin and his face was sunken in. I feel bad for both of them. Very sad. But with Ryan getting married and having Chloe, I agree they are probably naturally growing apart. Maybe its easier for Jeff to accuse Ryan then to accept that their lives are more separate than before.
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Beth4freedom
Member
10-24-2003
| Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 8:14 am
I REALLY appreciate all of your comments above; vastly helping to clarify matters for me. One thing that helped also was that in the reunion show they brought up at least one specific, that of Ryan's creating a .tv website which isn't recognized by google. I actually didn't know that myself. It's one thing that bothered me during the season: the "charges" against Ryan seemed very vague, and, as Ryan said, there was no proof of anything. I was interested in Onlyhuman's remark: "Ryan was executing standard business strategies by utilizing all forms of advertising and media exposure while Jeff was not." Reminds me of when Ryan was amused by the fact that he had landed a celebrity client who had first repeatedly called Jeff, but when not getting a response, ended by calling Ryan. Ryan legitimately thought it was funny: "Why don't you answer your phone, Jeff?".
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 12:42 pm
So glad you started this Beth4freedom, I was thinking I would rather talk about Jeff than JOn/Kate. LOL. I totally believe Jeff has blown this all out of proportion. I have always gotten that he is a very private person, didn't have his company listed, worked from his home so no official office where people could drop in, etc. So, if seems weird that Jeff would expect people in Ryan's office to give out his phone number. I suspect if they had, Jeff would have a fit. Now, because he seems to understand the power of the internet he feels that should have happened. I had wondered throughout the season how Jeff was getting away with "defamation of character" on a TV show. Seems Ryan is getting a little upset about that. I always wondered why Jeff didn't just sit down and talk to him, but that doesn't seem to be his way. He would rather find you wrong and make you apologize or take a punishment than consider the fact that he could be wrong. I believe the relationship it over.
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Jenjackso
Member
02-10-2009
| Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:20 pm
I caught a line where Jeff said that Ryan had registered key words and you have to pay to do that, so it sounded like Ryan (actually, I don't know if Ryan really knew what was happening or if his web marketing people did this) purchased key words such as Jeff Lewis and other things that would really be dishonest between the two of them. I know some about web marketing and I know that it's very common to buy into the keyword names of competitors and market to come up as an option when they are searched on. However, these guys are friends and weren't competing so that was kind of an ill-timed chess move. I still hold that Ryan might not even have understood the extent that his web marketers had gone. I often have to explain these options to owners of businesses so that they know what they need to do. Throughout the whole season, it seemed like Ryan had more gloating type confessionals than ever before that hinted that he was amused when things were backfiring on Jeff. I'm sure dealing with Jeff's "personality" all of the time would do that to me as well, but I think it was on the way out before this was all put out there.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:59 pm
Jenjackso, I agree, a lot of people don't understand all the ins and outs of websites. I am not a programer or deisgner, but I have picked up a few things here a work and I am amazed at all the things you can do that a layman may not realize. From what I saw it seemed like Ryan was trying to do Jeff a favor and get him a web presence and it all backfired. Plus I sure don't see Jeff talking to people who find him from a website, I thought he was all about high-end people referring him to other hign-end people. He didn't deal with (or want to deal with)us low or middle class people, LOL.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, October 30, 2009 - 1:44 pm
IDK, i think Ryan knew what he was doing. His body language in the show when it first came up and during the reunion bother me. He never blinked, and when he said during the show 'if that's what you think then you should cut me out of your life' sounded like a 'the best defense is a good offense' kind of move. like by saying that it would prove he was innocent. i just have never felt like Ryan was a very good friend.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Friday, October 30, 2009 - 1:54 pm
Were they ever romantically involved?
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, October 30, 2009 - 2:00 pm
yes
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Friday, October 30, 2009 - 2:06 pm
Thanks. I've only really started watching this show 1/2 way through this season.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Friday, October 30, 2009 - 2:19 pm
I saw Jeff as wanting to take advantage of Ryan. "Hey, Ryan, you have one of those website things, why don't you make me one? Oh, and, I don't want my real name and number on there, so put your information down there and have your office screen everyone for me. Then send me only what appear to be really lucrative jobs. Oh, and the fact that I am just starting a design business while you have had one for years? Just ignore the fact that I am moving into competition with you. K? Good. Get on it and don't forget...I ONLY want the good clients. If you send me any freaks I will be forced to have you dress in coveralls for a week." While I think Ryan probably wasn't completely innocent, Jeff shouldn't be asking Ryan to do so much for him. Apparently, Ryan was supposed to use his own resources to present a business front for Jeff. Jeff was aggressive and Ryan was passive aggressive in return. I sincerely doubt that Ryan is heartbroken over losing Jeff's friendship, since it is demanding and intrusive so it's not a surprise that he didn't blink when Jeff started accusing him of betrayal. The one thing you know about Jeff is that you can't show any weakness or flaws around him because he will use that against you in the future.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Friday, October 30, 2009 - 4:01 pm
ITA with you Onlyhuman. You nailed it.
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Mistysmoke
Member
08-10-2001
| Monday, November 02, 2009 - 4:28 pm
Ok, just watched the reunion. I think it is so interesting that everyone can see the same show but come away with a totally different take on it. I don't know much about websites and setting up for searches to bring you certain sites, but, my husband has done it so I do understand it a bit. Even if Ryan says he didn't set up the site, he is responsible for his people setting it up to have Jeff's name direct people to that site. And if by the off chance that Ryan didn't realize that his web person did it, when everything was hitting the fan, it would be his responsibility to look into what his employee did, fix it and apologize. I didn't see anything where Jeff asked Ryan to set up a website for him, I saw where Ryan said he set things up for him under .tv (which doesn't make any sense to me). Even if there is no proof of Ryan taking clients from Jeff, he did use Jeff's name for his own business profits, and for that he should apologize. Notice that he only claims to never have taken any clients from Jeff. He never says that he didn't use Jeff's name to get people to his own website. As far as how Jeff has treated Ryan for however long....obviously he didn't have a problem with it until he got caught being sneaky, because he stuck around this long.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, November 02, 2009 - 4:39 pm
ITA Misty
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Monday, November 02, 2009 - 8:39 pm
To me, the question is whether Ryan was actually directly stealing clients from Jeff or simply trying to get better name recognition by using Jeff Lewis' much better known name to get traffic directed to his site. Jeff thinks it's the former, Ryan says it's the latter. I tend to side with Ryan on this because there's 3 things at play. First, Jeff had NOT made any previous attempts to get an internet presence, Ryan had. Second, Jeff has not shown any interest in actually building a solid design business whereas Ryan has. Third, even when finally deciding to build an internet presence, Jeff demanded that his phone number and contact information NOT be given out and that Ryan screen his calls. Those three things, to me, indicate that Jeff had little to no interest in building a design business via the internet so Ryan is taking nothing from him. While I think that Ryan using Jeff's name to help his business might be unpleasant to some people, I really don't see the big deal. Ryan clearly is on the show as a way to boost his business and I can't really blame him for that.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 6:26 am
you don't build your name based on someone else's name/reputation. ryan could build his name up by saying 'as seen on Flipping Out' not tying it in a search to Jeff's name. there is a big difference in my mind.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 10:38 am
Texannie, Ryan did also use Flipping Out. Ryan was a business partner with Jeff Lewis, so, again, it's not an arbitrary thing. It's not like he attempted to use an unassociated person as a link. I get that Ryan and Jeff were friends, so some people think it was a betrayal of Jeff. I just don't see it as that big of a deal. It's not like Ryan impersonated Jeff or tried to steal his identity. It's a search engine, for goodness sakes!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:17 am
I know they were business partners, but imho it would have been more on the up and up to link the company's name or the show's name not Jeff's name. My husband owns his own business and depends alot on his internet business.if searches were redirected to his competitor (and Jeff was acting as a competitor), it would be hurtful to us financially.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:04 pm
And if your competitor came to you and asked you to set up his website AND screen calls for him, would you do it? You're a bright woman, so I would assume NO. And I would assume that the competitor wouldn't ask. But Jeff did.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 1:12 pm
i am not saying jeff is 100% right in this, i am just saying i can understand his feelings. i also don't think ryan is an innocent victim, i think he knew exactly what he was doing.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 1:48 pm
This is soooo crazy. They were both right and both wrong. But I tend to lean towards Only's POV on this one. Especially since Ryan made the comment to Jeff that he never returned the A-lister's multiple telephone calls and so Ryan ended up with the business. Jeff didn't want anyone to know where he lived, what his telephone number was, yada yada yada. And when someone got Jeff's telephone number, Jeff was too busy to return the telephone calls. For all intents and purposes, Jeff was using Ryan as his personal answering service.
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Jenjackso
Member
02-10-2009
| Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 5:59 pm
I also thought it was crazy that Jeff didn't call the A-Lister. When the market is down that would have been a great opportunity for him. I think Ryan has more "business/marketing" sense, for sure.
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Chitchat58
Member
07-25-2008
| Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 3:13 pm
Anyone know if Flipping Out is coming back for another season? I love this show..
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 4:08 pm
From Jenni's Twitter, dated March 6th: HI EVERYONE!!! HEADED TO NY TO FILM SOME FUN TIMES FOR FLIPPING OUT SEASON 4....HAPPY OSCAR WEEKEND Yay, I love this show, too!
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Chitchat58
Member
07-25-2008
| Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 12:19 pm
Thanks for the update Hukdonreality...
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