Author |
Message |
Madelane
Member
08-20-2001
| Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 7:52 am
I guess the thread fell off. Anyway. PLEASE tell me someone saw Nicole's episode. OMG.
|
Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 9:57 am
I did. And I posted somewhere else... I'm pretty much over Intervention these days. I'd really appreciate if they'd show an addict who wasn't sexually abused as a child, because they do exist.
|
Madelane
Member
08-20-2001
| Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 10:02 am
Do you know where you posted? I couldn't find an Intervention thread anymore. I hear you Costacat but also wasn't that just all so horrifying? I felt like I was watching a train wreck. Egad.
|
Jodie75
Member
08-26-2004
| Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 10:51 am
That was really weird. Can someone please tell me what was said at the very end? I hate it that my PVR always cuts off during the updates. The last thing I saw was Nicole only stayed 60 days of what I thought was supposed to be 90 days, and that she was eating baby food. What happened when she got out? And by the way, it really pisses me off that abuse victims are just told they should move on because the past can't be changed. I've experienced a similar situation, and I get very angry that my mom gets to say that it is petty of ME to feel unresolved about it, and I should just get over it. Her boyfriend molested me and when I finally got the guts to "confess" (in a note), she told me it was MY fault and I'd be laughed out of court because I "flaunted" myself at him (I was 9 years old). The next time I saw her (we only saw her three weekends a month, my parents are divorced), she laughingly told me that she had confronted him, and he was "so drunk he thought I was her". She stayed with him another year until she dumped him for her current husband. I hate how people just get off because it "happened so long ago" and I should move on. I'm not over it, and when I've tried to bring it up, she either says I'm lying or she doesn't want to talk about it and I should stop playing the victim. I hate her for getting away with it. You might have thought I'd be more angry at her ex-boyfriend but I'm more angry at her for not doing anything and saying it was my fault, and then excusing him for it because he was a drunk. The way I see Nicole's family and my mom? I feel like it's like saying I can do anything I want to a kid right now, and when they confront me about it 20 years later, I can just tell them 20 years have passed and they should get over it. I think one of the most healing things Nicole's parents could have done (especially her dad, ESPECIALLY seeing that he was a cop), is NOT to say "we did what we thought was right, and we're sorry if you don't think we did enough", but rather to say: "we know we did not do enough, Nicole, and we're so sorry. We're sorry that for our inactions this guy gets to walk the streets and live in our neighbourhood. It wasn't fair to you then, and it's not fair to you now. We allowed him to basically get away with it, and let him be free to abuse other little girls. We're so sorry for that." THAT is what Nicole's parents should have done. That is what Nicole's cop father should have said. It wouldn't have fully healed her by no means, but maybe it would have finally closed a door so that she could fully focus on recovery. This is in no way excusing Nicole for the crap way she treats her daughters and husband. The chewing and spitting in front of other people was beyond attention-seeking. It was disgusting. And I thought it was very irresponsible for her to have children when she couldn't even properly nourish them in pregnancy. That was very selfish. I was hoping to see at the end that she was developing a better relationship with her daughters and Morgan (?) was beginning to trust her again.
|
Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 11:20 am
You didn't miss the end Jodie. All it said was she left after 60 days and was eating baby food and living back with Bob. Didn't show her or her family as part of the update and didn't mention the feeding tube. Did say she had gained 25 lbs since the intervention.
|
Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 2:48 pm
I hate the way they always start and end their shows off the hour so if you haven't recorded longer or recorded the next show you lose the key update at the end. I missed the update on the chewer/spitter/tube feeder too.. and how scary was the way she was using that tube! No hygeine, yikes. I agree on all points, Jodie. Costa, I hear you but I have to say that they'd be hard put to find a huge number of addicts who didn't have childhood abuse issues of some sort but it can be frustrating since at the level of addiction reached by most people on this show it is a chicken and egg thing.. they sure need therapy but therapy won't be of much use while they are SO altered by their addictions.
|
Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 3:40 pm
I know what childhood abuse is all about. Been there done that. While you don't "get over it" you do "get past it" and move on and have a normal life. With or without help. In Nicole's case, she chose to remain a victim and then continued to work it for attention. It may have been the childhood abuse that started it, but it was the attention she garnered later on that continued it. I'm not saying they shouldn't show childhood abuse victims. I'm saying there ARE people out there who were NOT abused as children (including those who are not addicts). The constant "I was abused as a child so I'm <77> up now because of it" excuse grows really old really fast. Nicole wasn't a very sypathetic character, either.
|
Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 4:29 pm
No, not at all sympathetic.. unfortunately her dysfunction and her coping "skill" involved getting attention (and actively neglecting others) and so being on the show brought that out more strongly and there was nothing appealing there.
|
Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Monday, January 26, 2009 - 6:24 pm
Oh, I'm so shocked by the end of the first show tonight!! I burst into tears. Poor Lawrence.
|
Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 9:45 am
Twinkie, I fell asleep. What happened?
|
Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 11:10 am
Lawrence went to rehab but after a month there they asked him to leave for not focusing on his recovery. He left and went back to work and home and died shortly thereafter. And he never thought he had a drinking problem.
|
Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 12:51 pm
Who was the guy in the one I watched...the young handsome man who was about to die because his liver could no longer process alcohol? He was still doing well at the time of the airing...I was saying prayers for him because he was so young and his mother was such a big mess! Why didn't they send her to rehab too?
|
Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 2:09 pm
They really should have sent her, too. I'm glad he got clean, though.
|
Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 2:21 pm
I just cringed when he was filling his cup with hand sanitizer and drinking it...OH MY GOSH! Do you think that got the hospital's notice?
|
Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 2:33 pm
I had to turn it after he did that, Roxip. It turned my stomach.
|
Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 7:08 pm
I guess I didn't record the first one and the second one, ack.. I thought he was way too far gone but so far so good. The mom definitely needed help, too.
|
Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 7:21 pm
I couldn't watch last night either. Very, very sad.
|
Dannysgirl
Member
08-08-2007
| Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 6:04 am
Mamie--yes, the hand sanitizer was so bad - did you see the episode with the girl who "huffed" computer dusting spray (sorry, can't remember the exact name) that was truly horrifying to watch.
|
Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 6:30 am
The first one was a repeat from last season. The second one was new.
|
Jodie75
Member
08-26-2004
| Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 6:46 pm
I'm so frustrated that my PVR keeps cutting off the last bit of the updates at the very end. All I got to was Anthony's family claimed his mother was still drinking, but not as much. What was the final prognosis on Anthony? Did he stay in Florida? The sanitizer is becoming really common. There was an article in the paper here about the staff in homeless shelters needing to remove the pumps because their "clients" were drinking it. There was also an episode where a mother was drinking mouthwash straight out of the bottle in front of her children. It's horrifying to watch, but imagine how much more horrifying it is to have the need to do that - to be so afraid of withdrawal along with facing your thoughts. If you're facing withdrawal, which can be brutal and fatal if medically unsupervised (even then it's still awful), you'll do anything. The first tremors of withdrawal can be absolutely terrifying. Also, the amount of shame most people live with to be driven to do those things, rather than admit to the problem and get help, is soul-crushing. I think that the camera crew would have told the medical staff what he was doing with the hand sanitizer. I mean, he could have died right in front of them and they'd be liable for not having alerted the staff. D's Girl, yes, the girl huffer was horrible. I thought in her case she was shameless, doing it right in front of people every few seconds. I remember she was the one who had to have her cats removed and pretty much be physically dragged to rehab.
|
Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 11:11 pm
Jodie, we get a cutoff too.. that channel here seems to expect that you will just watch show after show to see the end of one at the beginning of another. But It said he was still sober since... forget the date, late last year, so not all that long but still.. I think he is/was still in Florida.
|
Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 11:59 pm
I think it said sober since September something and that he is in FL looking for work. I was sure he was going to get thrown out of rehab or something. It was just astonishing to me--to be so young and already so far gone. But his life was really awful too, with his mother being beaten almost daily, his brother's death, his mother's unwillingness to get clean (and why didn't they offer to send her to rehab like they usually do? Or did they and I missed it?). He obviously has a lot of demons to cope with; I hope he makes it. The only episode I have seen worse than Anthony was the woman whose husband had been a drug dealer who got busted and she became an alcoholic during her second marriage, although IIRC she had taken coke during her first marriage. She was in, I guess, her late 40s or early 50s, and she was living in a trailer drinking a gallon of box wine every day and engaged in lots of sexually inappropriate behavior, like flashing whomever was in front of her. That episode made me so sad. I think it was the first one I ever saw and, jeez. She had such great kids. I just ached for them.
|
Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 1:41 am
September sounds right. I remember that woman, too. I think they tried to offer rehab to the mom but she cut them off with she might consider therapy.. yeah, right. Anthony.. it wouldn't take much to kill him.. anything that stresses his liver.
|
Jodie75
Member
08-26-2004
| Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 9:58 am
Thank you Seamonkey, and everyone else. It bugs me because I've seen the other episodes before and after the new ones, and I don't have room to tape the one after just to get the last 30 seconds. I think the saddest one for me - the one that made me cry for a while after it was over - was the guy who owned the tanning salons. He resolutely denied he had a drinking problem. They showed several pictures of him in his past (just a few short years before the show), and man, he was so good-looking. He'd worked most his life to support his mother and brothers. It seemed everyone just loved him. I think he went to rehab but either left or was kicked out for noncompliance. He died a few months before the episode was aired.
|
Dannysgirl
Member
08-08-2007
| Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 10:23 am
Jodie - that was Lawrence and his episode was just on at 8:00 this week - yes, he was in such denial; very sad.
|