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Stacey718995
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07-05-2007

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 6:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
I think reality competitions should be a study in psychology. I don't mean a study of contestants but a study of the fans and who they "side" with. Always intrigues me...

Me, personally, I can take Annie's "gameplay" much easier than I can Joan's namecalling or Melissa's whining that they aren't playing fair. I find both of Joan and Melissa's (and now Jesse's) gameplay more outside of the scope of the game and personally not fun to watch. Play the game, don't cry or call names.

The real key to it all is that Annie needs someone to stand up to her, or more they need to outplay her. Calling her Hitler or crying the unfair card are not standing up to her IMHO, and it certainly isn't outplaying or even playing.

Brande holds the card to do that, she could show us that she is playing the sweet not so smart girl, riding (using) Annie's coattails and she is going to stick it to her when she is least expecting it. I would like to see that happen, Annie outplayed is enjoyable to watch, standing around calling her names and screaming with a tantrum makes Annie look better than she needs to in my opinion.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 6:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I don't agree about taking Joan's "age" into consideration. I would if she had been isolated in an igloo on the North Pole. But she's a very visible part of society and saying she only knows from riverboat gamblers isn't, to me, appropriate. She knows darn well what current poker is all about.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 6:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Well duh. But I'm sure she is also prejudiced because of how she was raised to think of poker players in the 30s and 40s.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 6:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
She's in her 70s. Sometimes our attitudes aren't as malleable as when we were younger. I used to work in a nursing home, and that was so very evident to me; and frankly I had some compassion for that.

I really don't like how any of them are behaving, and I couldn't imagine having to be a 'team' player with any of them either. At this point, I'd probably be going postal on 'em all. Figuratively of course!

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 7:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Poker players do come from the bottom of the barrel. They dont' start out as superstars or even television persona. They start out at home games for money and then translate into backroom games for a long time before they qualify to be "legitimate" gamblers. Oxymoron alert! I look at Annie and I see a rich tough broad. Just because she has money doesn't clean her up.

Melissa and Joan on the other hand are spoiled rich princesses. Joan came from a comfortable family and was able to climb even higher but Melissa has never had to work for anything. Get a tough broad and a princess together and the tough broad is going to bully the princess every time.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 7:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Joan's family may have been comfortable, but Joan certainly never had it easy as a female stand up comic.
But, I agree with you about poker players and Melissa, Mama! LOL

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 7:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
If any of you have read the book "queen bees and wanna be's", the basis for the movie Mean Girls -- Annie is a classic Mean Girl. Girl bullying is usually not about physical violence, it's about manipulation, subtle belittling, ignoring, etc. Annie is a master at it.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 8:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I've pretty well tuned out of this show, so I didn't see this latest fiasco, but....

I was watching another show on which they showed a clip of Joan going off on Annie about being a Poker Player. Joan said, "I met your kind in Vegas for forty years."
So I think her distaste for Poker Players most likely comes from her early days of stand-up.

Kellee
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07-07-2004

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 8:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellee a private message Print Post    
I really disliked jesse this time, he was a whiny brat about the whole thing. The whole game is about stepping out of your comfort zone and doing things you might not normally do as a celebrity I think Clint listened took lots of ideas on board and really it was his brand messaging that was the key selling point to the client jesse had very little of that in his idea.

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 8:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
I don't understand Joan's disdain for poker players. She's been performing in Vegas and accepting their bloody money for years. Nothing like biting the had that feeds you.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 8:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Yeah, Jesse was a very whiny baby. I really liked him til this episode--especially when he kept telling Clint how f-ing stupid he was. Again and again and again.

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 9:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
I have to throw my hat in the ring for understanding Joans opinion about poker players. I also believe, as many have rightly mentioned, that people approaching 80 still have their basic ingrained feelings and prejudices they may have had when younger, at least a residue of this still remains. I'm older than a lot of you, and I still cringe when I see tatoos, ( even though my lovely daughter snuck out when younger and now has 3, at least you can't see them!)

Joan, being a stand up comic, I'm sure had shows in Vegas, she probably saw and heard things we really don't want to know about.

I remember, when growing up, tatoos were for criminals, low-life's and sailors. Gamblers were also considered the dregs of humanity who didn't work an honest day for their living. Vegas was totally run by the mob, and everyone knew it. I'm sure they still have their hands in it somewhere.

Joan was reacting to her gut feelings created when younger. I know poker has risen in respectibility in the last decade, but the people here who are are in their 20's and 30's have to understand that this legitimizing of poker is really relatively new.

Oregon43
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09-08-2008

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 9:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregon43 a private message Print Post    
I think Jesse had just had his fill of everyone. He hasnt acted any different then anyone else on the show. There is alot of strong personalities on the show. I hope he wins and its not all about who raises the most money.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 6:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
I think the Charities they play for sure hope the contestants realize it's all about the $$$$. After all the drama, pouting, paranoia and melt downs it comes down to these charities and the money raised for them. That's the basis of the show. Trump speaks to the issue almost every show. People are fired because they can't bring $$$$ in. Last years winner won because of his ability to bring $$$ in.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 6:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Sorry I still disagree. If Joan wasn't a major part of "society" for the past 40 years, I'd probably agree. But she's not be sequestered in the town in which she was born, or a nursing home for the last 10 years, or anything.

None of these people are impressive or anything I wanna watch, which is why I quit watching. Joan and Melissa thinking it was the Joan and Melissa Show. Annie being a bully or whatever you want to call her. Trump firing Khloe for having a DUI yet keeping Dennis on for weeks when it's well known he has more of a problem with alcohol, Trump's drooling over younger women...

I'm not even sure why I've invested any time to come into this thread. Bad taste all around including in my mouth... that's what these people, and especially Trump, leave me with.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 6:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
But see, that is EXACTLY what Trump is banking on. Even people who are disgusted with all the things Costa mentioned--they still come back for more!!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Sorry, totally disagree. I'm not watching the show, so he's not getting ratings and his advertisers aren't getting eyes on their products. A world of difference.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 7:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Not quite. Cuz (not saying you), but there are many people out there who read these very posts (or similar ones elsewhere) and then decide to watch the maddness. So Trump gets the ratings he is hoping for. So even though Costa's eyes (and others who post but don't watch) may not see the advertiser's products, but because of those posts (as well as the flurry of posts in general) more "other" eyes will see those products.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
As someone who has worked for a nonprofit for many years, I will say that the money is important, but it is rather embarrassing to have a champion for your charity on national tv whose behavior is so atrocious.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
That is a very good point, Karuuna. Companies and especially charities rely on public good will and perception and it must be embarrassing to have that kind of negativity associated with them.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
It is embarassing, and it can also turn off other donors/donations. I think about the things Joan said, and how that would drive some of our other significant donors away.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 8:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
"Sorry I still disagree. If Joan wasn't a major part of "society" for the past 40 years, I'd probably agree. But she's not be sequestered in the town in which she was born, or a nursing home for the last 10 years, or anything."

That's just the point, Joan has been sequestered from "real" society just as Trump has and many other really rich people. They don't deal with day to day life nor do they interact with ordinary people. The very very rich do not have any idea of what really goes on in society. Their secretaries give them the news that they have asked about and their personal assistants do all of their day to day living for them. When my daughter was a personal assistant, she did really silly things that her person had no idea how to accomplished. Example: "My doctor said I need over the counter nose drops. Where does one get over the counter medication?" Within fifteen minutes they magically appeared.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
My experiences with the elderly is that it doesn't really matter how much exposure they've had to the rest of society. Many of them (not all) get more irritable, nasty, and set in their ways as they get older. They also have a tendency to revert to ways of being that they had given up long ago.

No idea if this is what is up with Joan, but my experiences lead me to believe it is quite possible.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 8:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
You are right Karuuna. I am almost 70 and find myself having to filter what I say more and more. In another 10 years I think my filter will be in the off position.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 9:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
The thing about the charities and raising of money is very important. But I'd like to see the contestants rated on how well they put on a fundraiser, get strangers to open their pockets, get enthusiasm in the massess to support a charity. Opening up your rolodex and asking a friend to ante up is not a competition of skills to me. That's just a contest to see who has the most rich friends. I don't think I'll watch another celebrity apprentice. I had no idea that was what would determine the winner.