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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 7:34 pm
Cricket, they didn't just look at each other. Bob said to Daniel "playing the game?" or something like that and Daniel denied it, and then the next shot was of Jillian nodding her head and looking at Bob, presumably in agreement that Daniel was 'playing the game.' Ahh...thanks, Karuuna. I did see Daniel say he wasn't playing the game, but missed Jillian nodding her head. I wonder if the newbies even get what Bob meant by "playing the game." I don't see cutthroat players this year...more like one big family.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 8:26 pm
In my write up (back an archive) this is what i got (paraphrased) Daniel says zero! Alli says not a bad strategy. Daniel says not a strategy. Alli says Daniel you are smarter than that. Jillian says it had better be a strategy because you would be stupid if it wasn't otherwise you are really going to get the crap beat out of you on top of it. (by Jillian, in the gym, is the implication) Bob tells us we are in season 8, when someone loses zero with immunity they are playing the game as much as Tracey is.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 1:19 pm
and I'm the only person finding it offensive how Jillian and Bob were badmouthing Tracey when she has a solid proven medical reason not to exercise. if a contestant passed out due to diabetic coma I would hate to think Bob or Jillian would make derogitory comments and act like the contestant is using their health as a copout. Tracey did what she needed to stay in the game. Mo had previously lost What? a lb. Daniel this week lost?? Lots of game playing happening and not sure if Bob Jillian should appear biased. i'd like to think of them as Professionally detached but as we saw Last season with Philip simone, the trainers get all too emotionally involved.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 2:24 pm
I think they are actually badmouthing Tracey because she lost 11 pounds when she was on light exercise and 4 when she was on NO exercise and they haven't been in charge of her exercise and I suspect they suspect what I suspect that she is starving and/or purging to lose that weight My own opininon is that once they are chosen I guess the show feels responsible to keep them but maybe she should have been provided with a good doctor and treated, but not allowed to stay. Or, since she is exempt from the hard challenges, even though that hurts her team, maybe she shouldn't be allowed to participate in ANY challenges. That way she wouldn't be allowed to eat in a temptation because she already is restricted in how she can exercise and also if she cannot fully participate, maybe she shouldn't get to control the entire game because she took a temptation. Don't have any problem with her being involved in the quizzes and such since those are tests of the knowledge they have gained while on the show. I think it would be difficult for them not to get emotionally involved.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 5:11 pm
Wow of all people Tracy gets the "golden ticket"
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 5:36 pm
I just saw that, Angelic. The first year they finally get a majority of people who seem to be there to lose weight and the trainers are working together, so aren't playing the game, the producers keep putting in all these little 'games' to give one person more power than the rest. Stop it already, producers. You are ruining this show. Just let the person who works the hardest be safe and stay out of it!
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Longbeachbbfan
Member
08-17-2005
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 5:41 pm
What is the "golden ticket"?
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Carlpsmom
Member
01-03-2004
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 5:45 pm
Of course, she did. Is there a way that could have been set up? OK, I know it wouldn't be, but it seems so coincidental. I am not really watching much, cuz I cannot stand to see how Tracey reacts and acts. I will laugh so hard if this strategy backfires on her. lol If Shay is misleading people, she is playing the game pretty well!
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Scout
Member
01-20-2005
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 5:48 pm
Seemed like a set-up to me. Like in the old carnival days where they had a foot lever to stop the wheel where they wanted it to land. Makes for a lot more drama. I get tired of all the others complaining about Tracey and the teams. They all stepped forward, all were willing to do the challenge - except Abby. Seems more sour grapes than anything else.
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Carlpsmom
Member
01-03-2004
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 6:10 pm
OK, cried my flippin' eyes out. lol How much of a contrast could you get?
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Carlpsmom
Member
01-03-2004
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 6:52 pm
Oh brother, if they do not vote Tracey off, I am not watching any more. The stupid games annoy me. All this talk of wanting her gone and now, they are talking about keeping her? Whatever.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 7:27 pm
I'm with you, Carlpsmom. Coach was being too nice. How could Tracy face those people and tell them "they KNOW how hard she's worked to stay on the show." What?? Backstabbing people is working hard? She still can't do the comps, so now they're without Mo for those. Scout, while I agree with you about some of their whining to a certain point, Tracy knew what she was doing. She seems to need a lot of attention and goes out of her way to get it and then after getting negative attention for her negative actions, says, "I didn't do anything." I really feel she is mentally ill. There is something missing...like empathy. I just about died when she said she had to stop worrying about how the others felt during the picking of the teams. Her husband looks normal. I can't believe she hasn't played him like this a time or two. I read previously on here that she had children, but no children were on her tape. I don't see her as a mother...I just don't. The face she made right after Shay weighed was priceless. I was hoping tonight was her last night. I feel like production has a hand in this. They like the drama. I don't. I want to root for these people and she just interrupts any good feelings towards the show.
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 7:55 pm
I can not believe that Tracey did not go home! I love when they support and help each other! If I had won I would have kept all the teams together. It was so nice when Rebecca offered up her tape for Dina and when Liz surprised Danny with his! Now that's what I want to see! Both of those scenes made me cry!
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Carlpsmom
Member
01-03-2004
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 8:16 pm
I am serious. I am done with this show. I understand that Mo knew he could succeed outside of the show, but to keep someone so disruptive is not a good idea. Yes, she certainly will give people incentive to do well, if only to keep her from winning. But, I am afraid TPTB will make it so she has a lot of opportunity to create the chaos and negativity. Yuck. I watch this to see a positive outcome not just a prize winner.
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Zgoodgirl
Member
08-22-2003
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 8:57 pm
I thought Mo kinda sacrificed himself. How much easier it is to vote for someone who basically is telling to you to vote them off? Mo being voted off IMO was his doing even though I wanted Tracey outta there. What I do find a little gross is the immaturity of all of these players. You can't even clap for her when she pulls a decent number? OK, drag yourself down to where she is right now in your eyes. Plus, I'm over Shay.
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 10:18 pm
I guess I am alone in not minding Tracy. They haven't liked her from the beginning and it amuses me to see how childish they are about her. They all tried (but one) to get the golden ticket and they lost. Like it or not, it is a game and I bet if someone else won that they wouldn't have taken the high road either. I guess it bothers me that they are there as individuals but cry that they need this trainer or that person on their team. To be honest, it shouldn't matter if you are there to lose weight you work out no matter who is your trainer or who is on your team.
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 10:33 pm
Mo must have been really injured. He mentioned working thru the pain.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 1:56 am
Color | Name | Age | Height | Starting Weight | Previous Weight | Current Weight | New Loss | Week's % | *Total* Loss | This Wk Finale | | ORANG BLUE Bob | Daniel student | 20 | 5'8" | 454 312 | 287 | 276 | -0 | -3.83 | 178 36 | safe | | ORANG BLUE Bob | Shay social worker | 30 | 5'8" | 476 | 432 | 416 | -16 | -3.70 | 60 | safe | | BROWN BLUE Bob | Liz grandmother | 49 | 5'7" | 267 | 232 | 240 | -8 | -3.33 | 35 | immune | | PINK BLUE Bob | Rebecca nanny | 25 | 5'6" | 279 | 244 | 237 | -4 | -2.87 | 43 | not safe | | PURPL BLUE Bob | Tracey homemaker | 37 | 5'2" | 238 | 213 | 206 | -7 | -2.82 | 31 | wins Golden Ticket to choose blue/black teams and trainers injured for challenge but did work in gym not safe | | BROWN BLACK Jillian | Danny musician | 39 | 5'11" | 430 | 382 | 372 | -10 | -2.62 | 65 | safe | | BLUE BLACK Jillian | Dina custodian | 28 | 5'5" | 253 | 229 | 223 | -6 | -2.62 | 30 | not safe | | PINK BLACK Jillian | Amanda nursing student America's Choice | 20 | 5'6" | 250 | 230 | 224 | -5 | -2.61 | 26 | safe | | GREEN BLUE Bob | Allen firefighter | 44 | 5'11" | 325 | 285 | 278 | -7 | -2.46 | 47 | not safe | | GREEN BLACK Jillian | Abby teacher | 35 | 5'4" | 247 | 213 | 208 | -5 | -2.35 | 39 | stress fracture limited to pool work safe | | BLUE BLUE Bob | Rudy engineer | 31 | 6'4" | 442 | 377 | 369 | -8 | -2.12 | 73 | not safe | | PURPL BLUE Bob | Mo coach | 56 | 6'2" | 355 | 318 | 312 | -6 | -1.89 | 43 | not safe | | BLACK | Julio mortgage loan officer | 39 | 6'0" | 407 | 368 | 364 | -4 | -1.09 | 43 | Out week 4 | RED | Antoine health insurance agent | 23 | 6'0" | 367 | 341 | 330 | -11 | -3.23 | 37 | below line out week 3 | RED | Sean youth pastor | 29 | 6'2" | 444 | 411 | 405 | -6 | -1.46 | 39 | wt counted below line out week 3 | BLACK | Alexandra college student | 20 | 5'8" | 309 | 309 | 296 | -13 | -3.63T | 13 | Out Week 1 | Week 5: Temptation Alli has a giant roulette wheel with 36 sections, alternating blue and black. She lets them know that this is huge, game change, they have bonded as pairs but now will be black vs blue and that ONE person will win the task of choosing both teams AND the trainer for each team. Of course they all realize that this is huge and hate losing team mates. Well Maybe not Tracey. She tries to act like she won't take the temptation but of course she does. All of them do except Abby. Each section contains a covered dish. One has the golden ticket to choose, others have good or bad items, like money or calories to consume. They will spin in order of highest % of loss, starting with Rudy (65 pounds). Huge slab of cake which looked like chocolate and Alli calls it chocolate, but it is yellow cake with chocolate frosting. 1,000 calories. Next is Rebecca: chocolate donut, 280 calories. Allen: cupcake 100 calories Danny: large cupcake 780 calories Tracey: tension. Mo says the wind started blowing, magic.. All apprehensive. <self modded> Tracey gets the Golden Ticket Tears, etc. Tracey shrills "she got it, she got it!" (it had been pointed out earlier that Tracey had won every temptation. Tracey fake cries. Mo says she has the ability to gain control whenever she wants it, eerie. No partners, Tracey will make the decision on her own. Guess no more spinning, even though there was money under some covers. Tracey walks around and tells us she is golden, she cackles a bit and is making her lists for the teams. The others figure Tracey will stack the teams. And it starts already.. Amanda weeps, as Shay holds her hand and says she HAS to be with BOB. She NEEDS Bob. Shay says we'll be fine, whatever team we are on. She has control now but she doesn't control that I love you guys and will work my ASS off. Blue team fears they will be split up. Dina said he has been her support (Rudy). I'll have NO ONE to count on, but myself. Rudy says we'd lose ability to support each other, but not lose each other as friends. It will be ok. Ominous music. As all approach Tracey, who is holding the Golden Ticket. Dina is freaking out. Tracey is smirking. Here come Bob and Jillian Jillian rolls her eyes and says Blue vs Black, of course. Bob tells them all, and Tracey won, shocker (ed. yep, can't even work out, magically loses weight anyway but wins every decision) Jillian says to us of all the people to be in control, TRACEY, really, TRACEY? To all, Jillian says "you've gotta be kidding?" Tracey seems to be enjoying her power. Tracey, who do you want to train with? Tracey says she hasn't had the chance to train with both of them, but she feels a connection with Bob. Bob: strange face.. WOW. Jillian tells us that Bob has no connection with Tracey, this is just Tracey's way of getting out of the Ass whipping that I've been waiting to deliver her for the last three or four weeks. Jillian wants to pound her within an inch of her life and teach her what this place is REALLY about. Bob still has a sort of sick strange smile. Tracey puts on her blue shirt. First member of Black team is Daniel. Jillian hugs Daniel (ed. Tracey got no hug) Mo goes to Blue team He hugs Tracey. Tracey announces that she and Mo have been together since Day One (uh, thought she was in the hospital). Mo stands with Bob. Tracey wants him on her side. Shay goes to black team. (keeping her with Daniel) Shay tells us she needs Jillian because she isn't done, has a huge journey. Jillian hugs Shay. Tracey says she put them together because she has a heart. Daniel brought back for a reason to be with Shay. Allen to Blue team. Abby (Allen's partner) to Black Team. Abby says thank you. Liz says Tracey will not make eye contact with me.. Liz and Danny are holding hands, Liz crying. Liz to blue team. Alli points out the emotion going on with Liz, is she happy with decision. Liz says we'll see, clearly wanting Danny with her. Says I need my partner. Tracey says Liz, I'm sorry, and puts Danny on Black team. Danny tells us the Black shirt is not what he wants. Liz weeps (Bob did look at Liz strangely). Danny says he wanted BOB and he wanted LIZ. I am looking for blood on it (shirt) because there's been a knife stuck in my back. Tracey looks long suffering.. Liz hugs Danny and weeps more. She hates it it kills her soul and makes her mad as all get out. Rudy goes to Blue team. Dina looks grim. Amanda goes to Black team. Bob rolls his eyes into slits and shakes his head. Amanda cries, says Tracey chose me to be on Jillian's team. She goes to hug Bob, who whispers that Jillian will take good care of her. Jillian looking angry. Amanda tells us that Bob is more than a trainer to her and they were both upset. (looks like Bob has worked his magic with some already, shades of last season without even having black and blue teams..) Amanda cries to us that she has to continue her journey here without HIM to train me. Bob tells us you don't want to pick favorites, you want to treat them all the same, but they're NOT. Amanda and I were really connected. Tracey whispers "I don't think I can do this" as Dina and Rebecca hold hands, awaiting their fate. Tracey cries. She cannot look in their faces and turns her back. Alli tells her it is her game too. Tracey says she hears a voice "Tracey, this is your second chance. You have to stop trying to please people and you gotta please your SELF. She waits and waits. Final member of Blue team is Rebecca, splitting her from Amanda. And of course Dina will be black team. Dina take her shirt and looks pointedly away from Tracey, who bursts into tears. Dina goes to hug Rudy and he tries to comfort her. Amanda cries. Liz looks like a zombie. Bob comforts Rebecca, Dina looks grim. Blue Team: Bob: Tracey, Mo, Allen, Liz, Rudy, Rebecca Black Team: Jillian: Daniel, Shay, Abby, Danny, Amanda, Dina So she has kept her own pair together and Daniel and Shay and split up every other pair, while putting some people with the opposite trainer from their wishes. Danny tells us this is game ON. Tracey pissed everyone off. This is the beginning of World War III. Some people have two faces? Some have 3 or 4. Don't know who to believe. Dina says she is furious. If she used her heard to keep Orange together where was our heart. Should have never used the word from her heart. She says to Liz that Tracey was an outcast and we welcomed her from the beginning, Liz says she told Tracey last night that it was SO important for her to be with Danny; he is her rock now. Danny says not a damn bit of heart. Dina says she is heartless. Liz says back me in a corner and I'll kill ya. I'm putting her ass home in the most evil way possible. I'm gonna be so nice to her she won't see it coming. I'm going to cook for her, we are going to watch movies together, I'm gonna get her up and make her walk with us in the morning, Guess what, Tracey, you think you have my vote. You don't have my vote. Everybody in this house is coming after you. If she wants to win, she can do it at home. Sunrise We see Bob and Jill working their teams in the gym. Bob tells us when it comes to black and blue it is a real stressful time for Bob. He needs a big guy to beat up and it makes him feel batter. We see Rudy sweating. Jillian works outside with Amanda. Jillian says they are upset, lots of DRAMA, need to beat the crap out of them.. a beating to snap you back into reality. Amanda stops on the treadmill, Jillian threatens her. Amanda looks over at Bob. Amanda goes outside to puke. Jillian follows her outside, says she wanted her to feel she cares. Rebecca works with Bob, tells us she is close to no one on the blue team, needs to prove herself. Liz is still so made that Tracey split us up. My agenda is for Tracey to go home before I do, I'll kill myself in the gym this week; she'd going home. Liz collapses on the treadmill.. Black team gathers round her and looks down. Bob, strangely is wearing a black/white/pink plaid shirt.. keeps saying Lizzy.. Medics come over.. her face is red, but she finally opens her eyes. They worry she hasn't eaten. She eats orange slices and tells Bob she has an agenda.. If blue team falls below, I have to have immunity. We see Tracey looking over at Liz. Jillian asks what is it with southern women.. Liz says we don't get mad we get even. Dina is working with Jill on the dreaded stool that they have to jump onto. She is afraid. Jill says she has to be ready to start a new life.. JUMP! Don't waste time. You can change your life or just lose some weight. Dina says she didn't want to fail so she just walked out of the gym. Rudy tells her this may be good.. you have to help yourself this week. They go back to the gym and he tells her how to jump. She's having trouble. Mo is also encouraging her (both of them are Blue and she is Black) Rudy says you are trying NOT to do it, she claims she wants to do it. Rudy says we are going to go eat. Do it for yourself. Dina stays and tries.. Bob takes the blue team to Albertsons to teach them about nutrition. They will make lunch together. Product placement for Jennie-O turkey breast. They go outside to a picnic table to make wraps.. Jennie-O for protein, romaine lettuce and veggies. Tracey says it was GREAT. Mountain team challenge Alli and a bunch of blue and black pennants. Shay thinks Blue team is so strong. Black is underdogs but has heart. Alli says have to work together as a team. Good players help themselves; Great players help each other Sometimes you have to carry each other. They groan. Race up hill, through mud, carrying a platform with one player sitting on it, rest of team carries platform. Winning team wins videos from home. Tracey and Abby have to sit out. They choose the person for the platform but can switch it up. Dina didn't want to be carried. Blue team says if we need to stop, say it, don't drop it. Dina on platform for blue. Blue goes ahead. Black stops. Rebecca on platform for Blue. Blue stops. Black catches up but Blue stays in front. They get into the mud. Liz says her feet were sliding (why didn't they put Liz on the platform. Amanda's shoe comes off in mud, she gets on the platform. Dina happy to pull own weight. Shay says we deserve this more than they do. Blue stops. Black stops again. Blue still ahead. Black stops again. Blue stops. Shay drops.., tells Amanda to put her weight in front. They have more mud to go over. She says the other team has huge strong guys. Daniel stops, The other black team yells at him. Shay screams at Daniel. ACK.. the stupid recap at halfway point. Tracey's stacked blue team leading.. and Blue wins. Liz is happy to get videos but still wants to send Tracey home first chance she gets. Black finishes. Blue team wins videos from home. Black team is upset. Rebecca told Dina she wanted her to have the video. Told her to get on that platform (jump) Dina tells Amanda she cannot take the video, has to get on the stop on her own. Thanks her. We see various videos.. Mo's family is very cute.. Liz goes to Danny and asks him to watch her video, but it is really his video.. he cannot believe that she gave up her video for him. His family is all losing weight at home. Last Chance workout Jillian says this has to be a team-building exercise, motivate each other.. Dina says what we have going for us is Jillian, we are the underdogs. LOL.. Jillian says to Daniel he never made it to black team last season .. you are black team now.. start BONDING. Bob says people get wrapped up in shirt color .. he takes them to a 24 hour fitness.. group environment.. gives a class and they use body buggs. Bob is now dressed in all black.. Danny says we are working really hard, different with half of them gone. Amanda says with Bob gone elsewhere she can really concentrate. Tracey says our team is coming together, blah Tracey is happy to be on the treadmill so guess she can work out now. Mo using the recumbent bike. Jill tells them their last group task is to get Dina up on that platform.She keeps not getting there. Dina says the viewers never see all the pain, just the glory. Jillian says we each have something that is hard to conquer and clearly this is Dina's. Weigh in Tracey tells us there is a lot of pressure, the two teams and she created them. They all seem to feel like Blue team is stacked and Black is underdogs. Person on losing team with highest % of weight loss is immune. Team with lowest % goes for elimination. Tracey is up first. She says they are staring daggers at her. She mocks them to us.. accusing them of being 5 and having their crayons taken. Bleh. Tracey loses 7 pounds 213 to 206 and bubbles while black team scowls. 2.82% She babbles on and Bob's mouth falls open. Blue team looks stony faced too. After awhile, Alli just says "thanks". She continues to babble to us about lucky 7 ding ding ding ding, slot machine.. says ain't none of you gonna take this away from me. (sort of like someone on meth??) and she goes on.. don't you EVEN look at me with daggers, how DARE you be judgmental. Coach Mo is up next. He says he had lots of issues this week. He goes from 318 to 312, down 6 pounds. 1.89%. He is happy because he had injuries this week, but worked hard when he could. People clap for him. Allen is up now. He tells us they worked hard so Blue team is going in feeling pretty confident. Allen drops 7 pounds from 285 to 278. 2.46%. People clap. He would prefer an 8 or a 7.. Rudy is up. Says only one who has pulled a double digit number in weeks past. He loses 8 pounds, down to 369. 2.12% Rudy not happy. Bob thinks his loss is fantastic, he's been consistent, a pound a day. Alli points out he's lost 73 pounds in five weeks. Rebecca is up next. She loses 7 pounds and is happy. down to 237. 2.87% (which means Tracey is not immune, if blue happened to lose). She hasn't weight this much since she was 14. Very proud of herself. Liz is the last to weigh in for Blue Team. Liz says her goal is to pull the highest number and have immunity. She goes from 240 to 232, losing 8 pounds! 3.33% Happy camper, Liz. And at the top of the list, for now. Blue team has lost a total of 43 pounds this week, 2.56%. Black team needs to have lost more than 45 pounds as a team, a little more than 7 pounds each. Abby is up first. She wants to put up a good number for the team. Abby loses just 5 pounds and is not pleased, dropping from 213 to 208 2.35% Dina is feeling pressure, needs big number, she was emotional and didn't accomplish goals, didn't make the box jump. She loses 6 pounds, down from 229 to 223. Says one more than last week, but tells us 6 isn't enough. 2.62% Says we need more for our team to win and I need more if we don't win. Amanda up. First week with Jillian, no clue if this will pull a different number than with Bob. She loses 6 pounds, from 230 to 224. 2.61% She is happy that she can lose with Jillian. Three more to weigh in and they have to make up.. need to lose more than 23 pounds (first three lost 17. Danny, Daniel and Shay. Danny wants to put in a big number. He loses 10, down to 372. 2.62% Shay and Daniel need to lose more than 18 between them. ACK! Daniel doesn't know if they can pull it off. (he lost zero last week). He loses 11 and is surprised. 287 down to 276. 3.83%. All up to Shay, now. She has to lose more than 7 pounds for their team to be safe. Shay has the worried.. she says last time she needed 8 she dropped 6. She loses 16 pounds! Down to 416. 3.70% So, Blue team will go to elimination. Liz is immune and I have a sick feeling Coach Mo will fall on his sword and ask to be sent home instead of Tracey, citing injuries.. Just my fear.. Black team loses 54 pounds and 3.05% Black team celebrates. Stacey looks upset. Mo looks sad. Shay talks about coming together and not letting all the game crap in.. Stacey looks stony. Blue team has to send someone home. Bob and Jillian get ready to leave. Bob asks Dina what happened. Dina says Tracey! Tracey says she screwed up. Mo shakes his head. Liz is immune. Deliberation Liz says the one week I needed immunity I've got it. Guess what, Tracey, revenge is sweet. Allen says we knew we were going to be voting someone off and when we left the weigh in, we knew who that person was. Dina was thinking buh bye Tracey. Rudy says we have to figure out what to do to keep this team strong. Stacey says she has fought tooth and nail and is getting physically stronger. I'm pulling my weight, put up great numbers every week. Rudy says don't think it will be a help to us. Mo tells us he was trying to figure out whose name to put down so he could stay. Realized he was playing a game he never wanted to play, wanting to benefit from someone else's misfortune (ack.. I hope I'm not right.. would he quit?) I was the one that had the lowest number. I was willing to put someone else's name down so I could stay and that was just wrong. He starts telling them he cannot pull his weight. You know what you have to do. Dina is saying NO! This is ridiculous. Liz says Mo is falling on the sword this week. Tracey has no idea I wanted her gone. Tracey trusts me. (oh Liz, don't do that!!) The guys start talking about keeping Tracey. Dina is really upset to think of another week like that. Does it help to have a coach around or a Tracey around, says Rudy.. I think we should keep Coach. We go to commercial not knowing. Voting Time to vote.. Rudy wondering do you send home the guy who asked to go home, or not. Mo says am I second guessing it, yeah. I have an empty feeling in the pit of my stomach. (Can he vote for himself?) Alli talks of living with consequences of the week, tough decision. Liz: If you had asked me 5 weeks ago would I write down this person's name I'd have said no, very difficult. Need to stay together strong as a team. MO Rudy, have utmost respect for, what we need to do to survive. MO Tracey whines and cries, loves this person so much MO Rebecca about being part of the team, stick together MO Coach Mo is trying not to cry. Loves them all. No tears. (Arrgh, I was liking this season until this.) Tracey will miss him. Mo says he has found strong resolve, more knowledgeable, won't go back. I will have hit my mark and beyond. Next time you see me I won't be on the sidelines, I'll be in the game. I have lost 76 pounds, weigh 279. The show saved my life. We see him in the gym. He is working the kids in The village, an organization he founded, he added in nutrition, exercise and is teaching the kids. We see him working out with them. He hopes to be down 150 pounds by the finale.
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Tc99
Member
07-12-2009
| Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 2:04 am
Dfng, I see your point. I've been holding back posting because I happen to like it the old way, the blue/black teams. I couldn't figure out if I was iffy for lack of not having that big team rivalry, or defined team spirit/comradery, or if I felt it actually was more stressful or even less supportive the way they set it up now. More importantly, I think having two teams is much better as a whole. I think Ally said it best during weigh ins, that because of the switch you may have lost a teammate, but you've gained a whole team to support you. People this year were so dependent on their other teammate, they bonded with this other stranger wearing their color, it was like watching differing variations of a friendship or crush that happens when you spend a summer away at camp. You feel like you've known the person forever when you just hung out for a couple weeks. But this is more so than usual in Biggest Loser, because it is all concentrated on one other person who your stay depends on, instead of spread out with all your teammates. Rudy very wisely pointed this dependency out when talking to Dina (who is looking hotter each episode, too, along with Rebecca, of course!). I think the way they were doing it this season makes it possible for a tracy to turn the game upside down. Because for every person who sees it as a definite plus that there are no antagonistic "other team" and everybody shares and everybody is helping everybody else out, as a sort of free form communal get-along, there are those, especially the weaker players, that can very easily slip into the old dynamic of "us two against everybody else". They feel backed into a corner and may end up doing things out of desperation and being overwhelmed with the emotional pressure this brings up. At least with the teams strategywise, you had accountability, you would need to consult with the team (and the trainer!) due to peer pressure and the power of the vote. You also had a buffer, if you had a bad day, it wasn't all up to just one other but the whole team to help you out. In the other way, if you see that your partner is slacking, you must shoulder the burden of having this person's fate soley in your hands alone. Also, with temptation challenges, if you make an erratic decision before consulting the team, you had to worry about them voting you out. If your team consists of only one other person, who if you guys do go below, can't vote against you yet leaves/stays with you, then their bargaining power is greatly reduced and you end up being even more selfish with decisions, thinking it is all up to you to save them or yourself with bold action. So I don't think tracy would have gotten away with (or would have wanted to) as much as she did if it were the old blue vs. black. I guess I like it that way at the start at least, I know it ends up being every person for themselves, in some form, down the road as the pack thins . I apologize if I have offended anyone with this rant, but I had to get it out, half of it doesn't make much sense when I read it but I've been stewing with this for more than a couple weeks figuring this new setup out. Now looking back, Biggest Loser Couples is basically the same format, only with people you already have an emotional bond with, so my whole argument relies too heavily on the fact that this season, the twist is you are heavily invested with a stranger instead of someone you know and trust (and love in some instances). That may be the factor that makes it more emotional and stressful. Trust seems to be the underlying bind that this show, and for that matter weight loss in general, deals with. I guess the only appreciable difference is bob and jillian having ambiguous roles instead of defined mentor roles along with the ensuing rivalry. But as I think about it more, these trainers really do effect the lives of these players, and the kind of bond that occurs when you are representing them and they take you as part of their people, that kind of trust, is greater and may get better results than the two trainer for all way, where there is no solid commitment to one trainer but all float around and do as they please, in some sort of ambiguous swingers-style-key-party way of exercising and training.
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 4:15 am
TC99 - a very good analysis. I think you were in my head writing that!
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 4:41 am
ITA with the posters that say production does have a hand somehow (I think it was pure chance that Tracy got the Golden Ticket) - every show needs a villian - and Tracy is playing that card! We want shows to be nice, and the focus off of game play - but the average viewer doesnt tune in then - its drama that gets the ratings unfortunately! I dont understand why Liz is so dependent on Danny, nor do I understand the teams that Tracy picked - keeping Shay and Daniel together had to be that of production - since she split the one person (Liz) that didnt hate her - after the whispers, I wondered if Tracy couldnt change her mind and take Danny - esp since in the end the boys tend to lose weight 'easier' than the girls... While I understand the dynamics of team vs couple play - I dont think they need to pit Bob and Jillian - they are both such different and dynamic trainers... but that's just me!
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 9:20 am
I found it interesting last night that those the most upset were the ones who lost Bob. If they lost Jillian, they didn't care. Jillian is too harsh at times. I sure wish they'd bring back the other trainer. Jillian is too full of herself and thinks she's a psychologist, but she's not.
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Zgoodgirl
Member
08-22-2003
| Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 3:21 pm
Honestly, if I had to be on that show I would want Jillian. I saw a little about Bob last season how he is into playing the game just about as hard as the players themselves. It left a bad taste in my mouth. And both of them play psychologist at times, but there is always an underlying reason as to how they got there. And usually another one there that somehow holds them back. That sometimes needs to be revealed before progress can begin. I'm sure they have psychologists there behind the scenes helping them also and I'm glad we don't see that part. But if they don't, who else is going to help them the things that hold them back besides the people they bond with the most there? The trainers. The only season I missed was when the other trainer was there, and wasn't that the only year that someone from Bob's team won? Yea, I would want Jillian as my trainer.
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Wowprincess
Member
09-04-2006
| Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 6:35 pm
Yes Zgood, that's the only Season that someone from Bob's season won - the year Jillian wasn't there. I would want Jillian as well. I love Bob, but Jillian is going to beat you down. And honestly, it's what most of those people (and me too) need in order to figure it out! Case in point - Jillian's team was clearly set up by Tracy to be the "underdog" team - but look who won?
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Gumby
Member
08-14-2004
| Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 9:51 am
NBC will be airing a two hour special with 40 past contestants on November 14th. It's called Biggest Loser, Where are they now? Here is a link to the article at Reality World: http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/nbc-air-the-biggest-loser-where-are-they-now-special-nov-25-9731.php
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