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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:17 am
Slinky, I don't think they were patronizing him as much as trying to be kind and respectful based on his stature.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:18 am
That video seems to say a lot. It just supports what I was feeling when watching them being interviewed on the show. Tony doesn't even seem to want to be near her. No hugging and no show of any sort of affection or even a hint of camaraderie. This show is not helping Kate's image. It's a train wreck.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:26 am
I try to keep an open mind with each NON-pro dancer and just enjoy them on the show. But in the case of Shannen... Well I'm in the middle of reading Melissa Gilbert's autobiography Prairie Tale. This is from page 132: Note: anything in parenthesis () is mine, for clarification purposes. When Bo (Brinkman, Melissa's first husband) and I reconciled in therapy he confessed everything that he'd done during our separation and his laundry list of dirty deeds included a one-night stand with Shannen. That story particularly irked me. Then a few more years passed, and in 1991 the year Michael (Landon) died, I was narrating a tribute to him at the Emmy Awards. As I came offstage, Shannen and Luke Perry were in the wings, getting ready to present an award. She looked at me and attempted to give me a hug. I pushed her away and said, "I don't think so." She looked surprised. "I know," I said. "I know what you did with my husband." She looked me square in the eye. I thought I saw a barely perceptible smirk. Then she said, "I told you that when I grew up I wanted to be just like you." After that, I hurried away. It was too Single White Female for my taste.
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Bbwatcher
Member
09-12-2008
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:31 am
While I'm not a fan of Kate, I do think it is unfair to blame her for the disagreement between her and Tony. She was trying to tell him she did not understand what he was talking about and to show her what he wanted her to do. She is a novice to dance and does not understand what he is talking about..he as the professional should have showed her the routine and then let her copy him. I think he is mad that he did not get someone good. I also think in the Access Hollywood piece he got mad at the interviewer for saying Nancy O'Dell said he was a hard teacher...sounds like Tony needs to reel his anger in a bit! I hope Evan wins. I wonder why Derek keeps getting the best female dancers...oh well hope he doesn't do his "hold her neck while I bend her backwards and go up and down" routine.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:35 am
That Shannen was a promiscuous woman in her 20's is well established. I confess I was as well, 20 or so years ago. I'm happy to see her on the show smiling and trying her best. I live in a glass house so I can't throw stones particularily at someone who slept with someone who was separated years ago.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:38 am
As Tony said, he not only teaches people how to dance, he also teaches teachers how to teach. He's got to know what he's doing and have experience with a lot of different learning needs to be as good at what he does as he is. You can bet he's tried every trick he knows with Kate. She has to be responsive for any technique to work.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:41 am
Brooke's gown last week bothered me because when she didn't stand up straight her boobs peeking through the middle of the dress looked all old lady saggy, and she certainly does NOT have to look like an old lady. And then last night's gown, while better, being strapless was halfway down her chest and then there were boobs under that. Also not her best look. I never minded Samantha. Brooke is okay too except for the bad couture.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:44 am
<Tony was irritated at the interviewer for making the comment that Nancy O'Dell said Tony was a tough teacher. After he left Kate had his back so good for Kate.> If you watch the first 20-30 secs of that video you'll see the looks going back and forth between Tony and the interviewer and they were far from hostile. I think he just had had enough of his partner and couldn't stomach any more. Telling him how to teach!?! As for Kate having his back? What else could she do. His reputation as a patient, kind and excellent teacher is well known, and it's probably why she got paired with him, knowing her difficult personality and stiff left-footedness. But it's backfired as it looks like she's pissed him off royally. Before this started, I posted that I'd love to see her paired up with Mak; he wouldn't have taken her bs for a moment and I think we would have finally gotten to see the real Mrs. Gosselin behind that ghastly, phoney grin she wears. As it stands, I'm loving all the ice-cold glares she's throwing out to anyone who's not fawning over her.
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:46 am
Texannie, you are probably right. I'm sure that is how they meant it. To me, though, it seemed as I described. Kitt, I'm just calling it as I see it. But you are right - I'm sure there is much we don't see. What did Aiden say to Edyta to upset her? I guess I missed it.
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Bbwatcher
Member
09-12-2008
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:49 am
As I saw it, he was telling her what to do...not showing her. As a non-dancer myself the terms for dance steps are Greek to me and my Granddaughter who has danced for 8 years can recite them and perform them without a flinch. Some people cannot be told what to do, but have to be shown how! I still think Kate was not at fault. I do think Tony is frustrated that she is having such a hard time learning and reacted. She is stiff, awkard, and slow with her moves and I doubt anyone of the dancers could teach her in the limited time they have. This is not Tony's fault..nor Kate's..just fact!
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:50 am
<This show is not helping Kate's image. It's a train wreck.> Jimmer, couldn't agree more. And the longer she's on, the worse it will probably get too.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:57 am
Tony came across as a Diva in that clip. He needs to learn how to teach. EDUC 101: Everyone learns in a different way. The teacher needs to plan lessons in a way that includes various learning modes. Kate isn't a dancer and has trouble "letting go." She has had to be in control of her life for so long she can't just let loose. If she had a better teacher, she'd learn that part first - long before steps.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:02 pm
Shennegon, It's really not so much what she did with Brinkman when he was separated from Melissa, it was Shannen's attitude with Melissa that bothers me. There was no contrition, she just rubbed it in her face. There was absolutely no need for that.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:05 pm
EDUC 101: Kate just needs to shut up and follow what he's telling her to do instead of demanding and complaining as she does! Tony has more than proven that he knows how to teach. 'Nuff said! Dancing is not rocket science or cerebral. You have steps to follow. It's physical; you just do it. There's no way around it.
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Bbwatcher
Member
09-12-2008
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:05 pm
<If you watch the first 20-30 secs of that video you'll see the looks going back and forth between Tony and the interviewer and they were far from hostile.> I watched it again...still think it was the interviewer's comment that drove him away...not Kate!
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:06 pm
I dozed off and missed Buzz's dance... not sure what I missed. I gather it was somewhat better than last week. Watching Kate dance is so uncomfortable. She looks so 'deer in the headlights'. I do hope she improves, especially if she's getting the votes and is going to be staying a while. And I agree with whomever said that TPTB deliberately gave her to Tony specifically because he's a sweetheart. (Poor guy!) Oh and I am REALLY enjoying Maks this year. I haven't been a fan of his, but I like this newer, softer more joyful version of him. His partner sure brings out the playful side of him. Love it. 
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:08 pm
BBWatcher: Yup, might have been the straw...
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:12 pm
Mame it was a bit better than last week, in that he skipped a little bit and got into it. Mostly it was still the stepping with style though.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:12 pm
Kate Gosselin Wanted Her 'DWTS' Partner Fired Exclusive: Sources backstage at 'Dancing With the Stars' tell me the sparring between Kate Gosselin and partner Tony Dovolani that we saw last night is just the tip of the iceberg, and that things escalated so quickly that Kate insisted Tony get the boot from the show! However, from what I'm hearing, it's not Tony who's the problem. Inside 'DWTS' dish you won't get anywhere else, after the jump! "Everyone involved in the show thinks Kate is impossible. We all feel very sorry that poor Tony got paired up with her. She talks to him as if he is her ninth child," sources tell me. "At one point things got so bad that Kate demanded that the shows producers fire Tony and get her a new partner. However, everyone would rather get rid of her than Tony, who is loved by all the staff." During the March 29 broadcast, video showed Kate and Tony clashing during a rehearsal. Dovolani walked out on Gosselin after she questioned his technique, arguing that what he was teaching her was "wrong." Gosselin teared up on camera, and it looked as though she was going to quit. But they finally pulled through and danced the Jive for the show, despite Dovolani saying on camera that he should quit. Tony has since apologized for his "quit" taunt, and now has decided he needs to keep on 'Dancing' no matter how "impossible" Kate may be. Unfortunately for the two, they scored just 15 out of 30 points, and may be eliminated this week. Okay, time for this trick to be gone ... ETA the link is from popeater.com
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:15 pm
Thanks Kitt! And thanks for sharing that article LadyT. I NEVER thought I'd say this, but I hope that Kate and Tony do get eliminated, just to put that sweet man out of his misery. I don't give a hot hooey if she's miserable at this point or not. That wooden, leadfooted DIVA has got to go, for messing with MY Tony... 
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:17 pm
I don't see them being out very soon, because as well as the people who genuinely like Kate voting for them, there are also going to the people who like the train wreck. They could be here for a good few weeks yet. I can't see either of them actually quitting and I really can't see Kate changing. I wonder if one of them will have a mysterious injury...
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:17 pm
< Kate demanded that the shows producers fire Tony and get her a new partner> Wow. Just wow. Really, who does she think she is?"
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:23 pm
It's abundantly clear that Tony excels in teaching. His track record and history more than qualifies him as an outstanding teacher of dance. It's odd how so many people that enter Kate Gosselin's world end up fleeing. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear one of them had an ahem "injury" and isn't able to go on next week. Tony may be a professional but even a saint would have difficulty dealing with Kate, so it appears to me.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:25 pm
<She talks to him as if he is her ninth child> Hmmm...let's see. Where did I hear this before...
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:50 pm
This thread is hilarious, LOL. <77> Whomever said that dancing isn't cerebral, that it's physical and you just do it, is not exactly accurate, everyone is different. As a woman who has learned a particular dance genre, I had trouble at first because part of it is a mind thing, you truly have to let go and be pliable and vulnerable to your partner; you basically have to trust them. If you've been a leader all of your life, it can be difficult to switch over to a follower. I'm not saying that's for everyone, but for some. If you're a woman who has to follow, but you have some trust issues, or have been in charge of your life for so long and in charge your kids if you have any, or just simply that type of personality, then it can be difficult to let go and let your partner just lead. It's not just movement, it's trust and feeling the movements; a part of you has to let go. Kate is not a good dancer, but she's out there doing it while I'm just sitting here commenting on her, so I give her kudos. Someone said Kate is socially awkward, from the little bits and pieces of her life I've seen, I'd say that's true, so couple that with her possible trust issues, and leading her life and the lives of her children, or controlling it if some want to use that word, and stage-fright, then yes that type of personality does take time to learn how to follow. Like someone else said, her instructor should have adapted his style to tell/teach her that long before the dance steps...or maybe he did and we just didn't see it. But it is very relevant to dancing and should not be dismissed.
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