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Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
I feel very ambivalent about Melissa and Joan. Melissa certainly acted terribly when fired, and should never, never had interrupted Donald Trump, but on the other hand she was treated terribly by Brande and Annie. Annie is a supreme passive-aggressive, ( although agressive predominates) and manipulator, she sets everything in motion, can be evil and duplicitious, then looks innocently at everyone, truly a sight to behold. Brande is really not too bright to be thinking Annie is anyone's friend.

You just know Annie is sitting in her room, laughing herself silly, ( " I love it when a plan come together"")

If I were Joan, and watching everyone around Annie being so manipulated, ( lets not forget Joan has been around a long time and has dealt with all kinds of people, you can't fool Joan). She watched this Annie contrive to oust her daughter, watched it happening, and was powerless to stop it. I really want to give Joan the benefit of the doubt because other then her actions with Annie and Brande, she has shown good sportsmanship and a can do spirit. She even worked through her run-ins with Clint, ( and he has obviously rubbed a number of people the wrong way), but Joan is trying.

Being a mother and putting myself in Joan's shoes, I would always back my daughter, maybe not with so much foul language, but I would have been furious watching Annie's actions.

It's just seems the really mean spirited people get ahead and I really hate that. Geesh, am I ever naive! What a Pollyanna.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 1:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
The finniest thing last night was the forgoo. I saw it coming. Sigh-poor Brande. She seemed a bit frazzled but she really pulled through.

To think Rodman, Dice Clay, Scott and Tom all so called or perceived as difficult personalities are gone and we really end up with some of the more problematic personalities.

Can you imagine Dice and Tom having to deal with the Rivers clan. If Dice were to be the one they focused on as the reason all is wrong in their world. OMG I'd like to see that battle.

Annie just sits back and doesn't engage the Rivers'. I doubt Dice would tolerate being called Hitler or white trash. Scott's ego is large like Annie's, I don't think he'd sit back and let them continue to call names. So I think the Rivers were lucky that Annie didn't go early.

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
I said Annie was passive-agressive, maybe more like a tiny bit of sociopathic ( kidding,-sorta)

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 1:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I had to laugh at Whoopi Goldberg this morning when this subject came up. She said if her kid had messed up, she would let them take their lumps. But if someone had treated her kid badly, she would be ripping their face off.

So I guess it rather depends on whether you think Melissa was set up or not?

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 1:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
Yes Lilfair, the forgoo was priceless! I actually laughed out loud, I couldn't believe it. Actually there were a number of Reality TV memorable moments. Don't forget Joan's comment about when Annie gets a face lift, she'll have to pay twice! Great line.

I also think people of Joan's age ( as Tishala mentioned), are more prone to yell out Hitler to anyone they perceive as behaving horribly. I think people have blown so many words way out of porportion these days, for the sake of being PC. I'm blond, and when people used to say "dumb blond" jokes, I'd laugh along with them, it's no big deal. It's a joke for heavens sake. My husband is Polish and German, and the Polish jokes are funny. I'm not saying for a minute that Hitler is or ever should be funny, it's just saying someone is Hitler, for a 75 year old Jewish women, is something they probably say 10 times a year concerning someone they see as extremely offensive.

By the way, there are many great, thoughtful messages here, whether I agree with them or not. Terrific discussion.

Lakecat
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10-01-2006

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 2:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lakecat a private message Print Post    
I cant believe Joan,Annie or Melissa hasnt blogged about it yet.Thier little tirade was mentioned on several talkshows today.
Joans fued with Annie reminds me of the fued she had....was it with Johnny Carson many yrs back?

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 2:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I think it was really Carson who had the feud with her. She was his "permanent stand in" or whatever it was called, and then Fox offered her lots of money to start her own late night talk show, which Carson considered a slap in the face, so he set out to ruin her. And he pretty well succeeded for a while, and the failure of her show allegedly contributed to her husband's suicide.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 2:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Annie blogged about it.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Melissa Rivers in post-firing interview: “I’m walking away with my pride”
During her spectacular post-firing blow up, Melissa Rivers stormed out and yelled at a producer, “David, you’re not getting an interview. Lying
But guess what Melissa did after being fired? She gave an interview! And guess how much better it makes her look? Not much!
“I wanted to take part in Celebrity Apprentice for two reasons. One was to try to do good and raise some my money for my charity, and also because I thought it would give me the opportunity for people to see me for who I am and not what they perceive me to be,” she says during the interview, which is below. “People perceive me to be simply an appendage of my mother. They perceive me to be spoiled, difficult, unpleasant, and not a hard worker, which is the exact opposite of who I am, and I think—I hope—people have seen that.”
Hope more, girlfriend, because your exit confirmed all those things, never mind your actual time on the show.
She later explained why she was angry. “I was appalled by the reasoning. I think my faith in this game was shaken to its core, and I just wanted to walk away. I couldn’t look at Annie and Brande; I didn’t want their fake platitudes,” Melissa said. “I had to get out of there. And I could not be in that situation. I wanted to go home and take a shower and think about the fact that such poor behavior and such poor role models were rewarded.”
Yes, I generally want my role models to be people who yell “ pit vipers” at bad role models and then yell “lying at producers or maybe the pit vipers even though the pit vipers are in another room, and then asking politely for the elevator by saying, “Get the elevator. I’m done.”
During the interview, Melissa also says, and try hard not to laugh, “I’m walking away with my head held high” because she “worked harder than anyone on my team” by doing the tasks that they “were too much of divas to do,” she says. “I did it with honesty and integrity. … I’m walking away with my pride, and I hope people see that.”
Nope, sorry, don’t.




from realityblurred...

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 2:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
That's hilarious!

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 2:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
My husbands uncle is a survivor and he lost almost all of his family in Poland so I am rather sensitive to Hitler (my father in law left the country in the nick of time, literally). I was born and raised in Austria and most all of my mothers family live in Germany. Both my mother and father lived through Hitlers reign and my father was witness to the Survivors being freed he saw them with his own eyes. So I can't let the Hitler thing go. It really trivializes the Holocaust, the lives lost and the families that vanished. Sorry for being such a baby and posting so much about the Hitler references. But as they as Never Again...

Anyone who recognizes me her on TVclubhouse knows I'm usually not such a vocal pest. Well maybe one season of BB, with the twins ;).

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 2:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
ITA with the posts upthread - this hopefully will be the last - because its all about money, product placement - and Donald Trump.

While ITA with the language Joan Rivers uses is shocking and inappropriate - I still think it was grandstanding (Joy Behar made similiar observations) also, Joan is Jewish, Russian Jew, but she meant for a shocking show stopping scene - and she knew Annie was (is) being controlling and manipulative behind the scenes - and its working for Annie...

its not a competition.

I fully expect to see Joan back next week.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 2:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
I don't think Joan said she quit - I thought she said she wasn't coming in to work tomorrow.

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 3:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
Gee, I hope all those guys in Vegas with only one name don't put a hit out on Joan!! ( Joan can't help being funny even when she's furious.)

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
That's what I heard, too Lexie!

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 3:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
I'm sorry to hear of your family's losses Lilfair, I guess with the safety of 60 years and thousands of miles, those of us not touched directly from that horrid period in history tend to overlook the direct impact of those who lived through the Holocaust.

I've never underestimated the Holocaust or the sheer evil that existed to allow this to happen. But, as you said, we just have to promise " never again", be vigilant to the warning signs, and go on.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Dear Melissa Rivers,

I would like to set you straight. From what I can see, you:

1. Failed to exit Celebrity Apprentice with your dignity intact.

2. Failed to change my perception of you. I still think you are "spoiled, difficult, unpleasant, and not a hard worker."

Melissa, my dear, your actions last night only confirmed what I already thought of you. And for which I'm entirely too lady-like to state (although think of what accusations you were hurling last night and you may come close).

Sincerely,
Costacat

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Something I didn't mention before... I think calling someone a Nazi and then claiming it's "OK because she's of that generation" is as wrong as an AA person is to call someone the "n" word or a gay person to call someone the "f" word or an Asian person to call someone... you get my point. It's NEVER OK, ever.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 4:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I just watched the video of the last 4 minutes again and I'm LMAO. Marissa was a total idiot, half-running/half-limping around in one high heel and one orthopedic boot, but Joan was pure gold: "Dahling, you're a POKER player, a POKER player!" How could she cram SO much contempt into that one word? That's an art in itself. I love Joan, she's indomitable. I hope she comes back and gives them all what for. Trump blew this one--that note passing to the bearded guy made it SO obvious that he was slanting the outcome.

(Is that bearded guy the same one who used to give such positive economic news on some cable show? The same one who had egg all over his face on Larry King or some other cable show? I hope someone will know who I mean)

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 4:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
I feel so set up.

These people have worked in the public for years and I don't believe for one moment that they weren't asked to ACT for ratings!

Holly
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07-22-2001

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I don't think Melissa was acting, Csnog.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 4:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Holly, that was Jim Cramer (Kramer?). I think he had a show on CNBC at one time, but I wouldn't swear that was the network and I don't know if it is still on the air.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
That's the guy, Lexie, I knew someone would know :-) Do you know which talk show he was on when the host ripped him a new one? I'm surprised he's now working for Trump.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 4:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
It was The Daily Show.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, April 27, 2009 - 4:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Sorry Holly, I have no clue.