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Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 4:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Sea, I think Annie went into this with a very calculated plan. She's very focused and yes, she's been aggressive (although I've not watched lately so dunno what all she's said). But watching her interview on Ellen today, she knows very clearly what she wants to do and what she needs to do to win. And she made a good point... those "poker players" (said with much venom, a la Joan Rivers) have contributed $200,000 to charities on this show.

BTW, Annie's dad bets she'll win! LOL!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 4:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
so you haven't actually seen the arguments, just the sound bites? i think you are missing alot of nuances and context.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Is there anywhere I can go to watch Annie Duke on Ellen?

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 5:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Here it is, Lexie
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/05/annie-duke-elle.html

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 5:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Annie is an interesting character of contradictions. There is no doubt she is good at analyzing cards and players in a game but I think she spends so much time looking for a weakness in someone else to work around she doesn't afford herself the same inner observation when it comes to some of her weaknesses.

Now she could tell me she didn't make it personal and I could laugh and show her that indeed she was playing very personal as well. She was awful to Melissa in trying to ice her out many times but played oblivious when she was confronted with it. She created the tension between her and the rivers clan and she really can't figure out why they made it personal?

This calls for a broader observation on her part. Could Annie have laid down the first card of playing personal when she immediately began usurping every P.M's position to the point most of her teammates couldn't stand her and wanted her to shut up? And if she wasn't playing personal why in Gods name does she keep saying I, I, I so much thinking everyone is going to jump on board the Annie train? and again icing specifically Melissa out as much as possible while gushing over Brande weeks later was very personal with one goal in mind.

Sadly I think Annie expects every one to accept her script of events by talking sweet and playing the ol HUH? routine. She'd be classic to "accidentally" break something in her home she didn't really like but then blew it off as.. How did that happen? Just call me butter fingers. :-) yeah Right.

I still admit Annie made this game interesting because of her zest for playing a game but I find her standards a bit of a snicker. She knows why the River's got personal it's just that probably in her world all of her gaming antics are accepted so no one ever questions her character so she doesn't understand how they got sick and tired of her gaming. I also don't think she ever understood how absolutely annoying she could be at times in her quest to be the puppet master of each task because they could all see what her goals really were. Except for the oblivious blonde who was used as her own personal cheer leader.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 5:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I liked it when Piers called her out on the non-stop talking, not letting anyone get a word in edgewise.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
Duke is a chicks chick. But definitely not for the thin skinned or faint of heart. She's polarizing. She's off putting to a lot of people. She's extremely competent, hard working, intelligent, obviously secure in her sexuality and she knows it. Being a woman having those traits still disturbs a lot of people. Not everyone likes this type of person. And it's ok. Annie, obviously is secure has a family, friends and is successful in business so no pity party for her. If all is fair in CA there is no way she'll lose this. Her charity will forever be thankful.

Joan on the other hand seems slightly off kilter and vicious. Something Annie doesn't portray, although some seem to see all sorts of things about Annie I don't see like being a con artist. Joan has a reputation of being difficult and has had her share of "Feuds" never the less she is successful and has been pullout many come-backs. So she does have a brain and is hard working. She's just a bit unstable, at least when it comes to her grown daughter.

I can't see Annie not winning especially with Brande helping her.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 5:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Thanks Naja

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 5:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
When a person gives to charity in general I don't think one stands anymore elevated because they give a larger amount of money. A monetary gift is just that a gift for that charity. It would be tacky to gush over one group of donors just because of the amount. Some donors would also like the option to do a little research on the charity they are going to give to and not be pressured over a phone conversation.

In Annies case her donors specifically have access to absurd amounts of money primarily acquired in gaming thus they are more likely to provide more monies in a gaming situation. They toss money on a table betting on cards. These are great personalities to get some money out of. It might be a bit of a hard sell to call say Oprah who has billions of dollars and tell her I'm playing on Donald Trumps show can you fwd me a quick Mill? It goes to Charity. Oprah might be offended she was brought into that whole thing where a gamer says sure it's a game lets play. I throw money around all the time. Give us some good P.R. on TV. I'll cover this loss in a day at the tables. Now if Annie would clarify who's paying for her win suddenly her road to acquiring this money is a bit different and a much easier task. How could you compete against gamblers in acquiring donors? It would be hard no matter who you are and who your contacts were. Most potential donors need a little time and are a little turned off when the begger ( for lack of a better word )is being aggressive.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 5:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree in the sense that I think that gamblers enjoy playing games, they play hard and they like to win. So they get some fun out of supporting Annie and that is tough to beat. Nothing wrong with that though.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 5:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Agreed, Seamonkey, he stopped her in her tracks for a second. lol

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 5:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Annie doesn't seem off kilter? I don't see how calling someone cancer is any more of a civil sane non vicious response to name calling nor do I find her completely balanced when she can't understand why some didn't care for her. She didn't just rub the Rivers wrong she irritated a few others and when you are told that face to face you have to concede perhaps you are not paying attention to some of your own faults. Her inability to fairly self evaluate pretty much puts her in the off kilter category. Creating a blog and continuing to take pot shots are a fellow competitor in a game also isn't exactly the sign of balanced. I still maintain she is a professional con artist trying to pull someone in her web of bluffing and manipulation. It's what she does for a living and very successfully so kudos to her but she might as well own that even though the stigma of con artist isn't a pretty one and that to can be manipulated to mean whatever she wants to define it as just as long as it never defines Annie Duke LOL. Just smile.

I can't see her losing either because she WANTS to win. She's HAS to win it's in her blood. I don't think the others really cared either way if they actually won the final game but just went the distance. Two didn't care at all. Brian basically said he was through and Dennis? Well Dennis is Dennis. :-) Gaming is different for Annie. Joan actually would be your legit Apprentice winner based on what she has accomplished with true business ventures but this was not about a real job there was a lot of fluff involved. In real life I'm positive she is not the only person who has had many many fued's. It happens and out of some of those fueds comes great financial success. Honestly I would think all of their charities would be thankful for the monies.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 5:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Jimmer I agree. There is nothing wrong in what she is doing as long as she is honest enough to put it into perspective. Her stating that gamblers are so overly generous when it comes to charities is a bit misleading on her part. Currently they are paying for her to win a TV reality show but put your average gamblers yearly charitable donations out there against many others and the numbers might suggest something a bit different. She's very lucky she has access to the community of gamers that she does because if the final task set a rule that said the donors you will be going after will have never met you or had any affiliation with you. Which is really what happens in real life. Would Annies personality be so off setting she wouldn't acquire as many donations? Remember the moment with the cupcakes and how she didn't feel a need to give Brandes donors that many? She couldn't treat a potential donor that way and expect to many to give her what she wanted just to win. She would have to wine and dine them and not irritate them and be too pushy. Someone like Joan could simply win someone over with her humor and get the donation.

Annie did make this show fun. Based on how this game is being played out ( should be called the biggest donation ) he'd have to be fair if in the end she produced the most amount and just give her the win. In real life I'd probably resign working with her within two days hahaha.

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 6:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
About the donors for charity. Should the person who's worth hundred of millions be given all kinds of kudos when he donates $30,000, or the person who makes $50,000 a year and donates $500? It's not the amount but the ratio of worth to donation. The multi-millionaires have so many loop holes anyway, $30,000 is nothing to them, while the guy donating $500, even when deducted from taxes is still a bunch of money to that person. He'll probably have to cut back on things to afford to donate. If the millionaires gave till it hurts, they would be donating hundreds of thousands of dollars. When you see these people bidding $50,000 and up , remember their wives paid that for a coat and a purse. I'm still very grateful the multi-millionaires donate to charity, it's just a matter of perspective.

Grannygirl4
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06-06-2007

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 6:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grannygirl4 a private message Print Post    
I don't know if it was just the way I heard it or what, but when Ellen was saying that Annie was going to be on the show, I think she said Annie had contacted them. That does not surprise me in the least. More "I" time for her.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 6:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Jgalt I'll give you an example of a generous donor I know. Before he writes out a check he contacts the charity he is giving to and sets up a very private meeting. He makes it clear he is to be given no mention in public as to what he has given. He see's it as a gift and an obligation to help out those in need and feels it dirties the process of being a donor. He has went to the extent of placing donations in a deceased close friends name so that any public mention would be on behalf of that deceased person and not himself. Knowing this person closely and how they go about donating when I hear or see a charity praising a donor by name I cringe just a little because I want to believe that a donor didn't give to get any praise. I agree with what you said about the ratio of giving vs that donors actual net worth.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 7:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
There are all sorts of donors. Those who want privacy and others who give without anonymity with hopes that others will be inspired plus when you give with your name attached others in your circle become a lot looser with their checkbooks.

I work for a CPA firm and my managing partner is the executor of many very large trusts and foundations. He hosts several functions a year to raise money for various charitable foundations and once ONE name signs up then like dominos they all show up with their checkbooks. I guess it's a matter of style. Even the quiet donors' monies help. You don't always have to cheerlead. The bottom line is do what you are comfortable doing.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 7:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTwZQUiPtZ4&NR=1

This is a youtube of Phil having one of his meltdowns. Annie is involved in this hand. For all you ChattyAnnieDuke haters you'll love the last 3 or 4 seconds.

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 8:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
I really admire the people who give money anonymously. As you all implied, I guess it doesn't matter the reason, as long as the charities receive money to help their cause.

I'd like to add to what C1mag mentioned earlier. It's great to be able to post messages in a civil manner, and when we don't agree, we just agree to disagree. I've seen other sites and I have been shocked by the language, I hope what I am reading is a bunch of 16 or 17 year olds on these sites, who are trying to show off how crude they can be, and not adults conducting themselves in that manner. If these people are adults, America has a real problem.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 8:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Lilfair... great link. LOL Although I wouldn't fall under the term Chatty Annie hater it would be fun to send just a sound bite of Annie saying at the very end.. I never said a word! It might be a very rare moment. She cracks me up. She did keep her mouth closed in that hissy fit but she still felt the need to pull her "I" routine. She just can't help herself she's got to point out her actions. She's funny because she just doesn't know how funny she is.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Monday, May 04, 2009 - 8:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Here's the Annie on Ellen interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyqr_wOz6rI

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 5:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
If Melissa and Joan had been on the same team as either Annie or Brande, they would have done to that odd woman out exactly what they accuse Annie and Brande of doing to Melissa. The hypocrisy of their viciousness negates any sympathy or respect I might have for either of them.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 6:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
First, I have to say every time I come to this thread and initially see the word 'annie', I think "what did I do??" LOL
C1..unfortunately, the amount you give to a charity does make a difference. go to any charity function and they rank their donors by dollar amount, usually with names like Gold donor, Silver donor ect. Or the biggest donors get the better table or signage.
Annie reminds me alot of my teenage daughter. From the time she would talk she would vehemently deny she did someting (even when caught red handed) to the point that you almost began to believe that she really hadn't done it!

Smokey
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07-08-2003

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 6:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smokey a private message Print Post    
Texannie, I have a daughter like that! She's gotten better with age, thankfully!

This thread is buzzing. Wow. More buzz in here than just about any thread on the board. I wonder if it's a reflection on how well the show is doing.

I saw Annie on Ellen yesterday and it seemed like she was very, very up. I have a feeling she won, unless the finale is live. I can't remember.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 7:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
It's awful, because I know I am losing my memory and when she is so adamant, I really begin to doubt myself! LOL She is also like Annie in that she will leave out a salient fact.