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Countrydaze
Member
11-07-2003
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 1:52 pm
I also agree that Joan should not have made it personal. That was so wrong, but Clint would not listen to anyone and not one person on his team liked his idea and personally I thought it was sick. If he thought it was so funny, how can that be edited to make him look bad. Also I agree with the person who said that Donald is a sexist pig and I also am no longer a fan of this garbage show!
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 2:02 pm
I should shut up but I will add this about someone being edited badly. I was once told that the complaint of bad editing is laughable based on the fact that the person who says they are edited badly had to give them something to edit badly to begin with. So maybe it's not so much a bad edit had the person just handled things a little bit differently so there was nothing to play with to edit badly? I agree about Clint being likable so it was hard to see him so controlling BUT!!! Am I the only person who finds Joan's comments a bit fake and maybe scripted? Her temper tantrums just seem not so real to me as she knows controversy gets ratings. Going home and throwing away all her Clint Black CD's? Really now isn't that a little over the top just over a game where the only beneficiaries are charities? I would have fairly fired Clint last night since I think he missed the mark in even trying to sell the product. I am that target audience they were selling to and it made no sense to me. I've never associated Laundry detergent with sexual self gratification and don't want to. I guess it's a funny joke if you're a man because you get to say the word "load" but I thought it was stupid. I do have a question about Athenas ending. What did pissed off Little people cussing and throwing down the product have to do with any thing? I didn't get that but I thought Jessee acting as bright as a box of rocks was very funny. Just didn't get that ending at all.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 2:03 pm
One more thing. I followed a link someone posted above to Annie Duke's blog. Just read back farther to her entry about the hotel challenge and think she made an interesting point that ends up relating to last night. She said Donald was really annoyed over Khloe missing the time, and she felt it was unfair since he had no problem with Joan missing 3 days prior to that. SO makes me wonder if he knew what was up last week, but the girls won so he couldn't fire her then, so he took the chance now. All my previously arguments still hold true lol. Just makes me think that Trump had a fire under his toup about her missing the show fir the DUI since it happened, and struck back the first opportunity he had. I still can't believe I, of all people, am this upset defending someone w/a DUI but in this case it's just wrong. Plus IMHO it's giving someone a reason to feel victimized who should NEVER have that excuse as relates to a DUI!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 2:12 pm
Ms. C1, ITA about the videos, and don't disagree that Joan jumped on the bandwagon to go after Clint (when the truth about his horrible leadership would/should have been more than enough). I've been curious if they discussed that at all in addition to the stuff we saw and it just ended up edited out since it wasn't sensational enough? Likely we'll never know, but it wouldn't surprise me. Even though Athena's video was flawed, it at least had some humor and redeeming moments unlike Kotu. I'm surprised the great Mr. Trump wasn't more upset about Clint in bed referering to how he pleasured himself and reading HIS book. Even though that wasn't supposed to be funny, I found it nearly hysterical! (Herschal Walker had some really funny comments about this too IMHO). Another thing I wonder if they cut out...Trump was ticked off at the use of the word "midget" but Athena asked the guys if that was an ok/acceptable/non-offensive term to use and they said it was. I'd be shocked if that wasn't mentioned and edited out as well. ETA one more thing. I don't disagree at all that Joan's CD comments sounded over the top etc. But she has a long history of being vindictive and turning it to jokes etc. Most of her career has been based on it. So I can see that factoring in too (and wouldn't be surprised to hear her turn some of this into jokes at some point).
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 2:16 pm
If missing part of the challenges irriate him, then Herschel and Brian should be gone too! Donald is acting very hypocritical...save a guy, save a beauty queen. Anyone catch Clint's rant about insubordination and how it's not allowed??!!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 2:22 pm
Texannie, that point is not only excellent but wish I thought of it!! That is what I meant when I said he had to say some of the negative and it not being all editing. I remember respecting half of that comment he made (think he also said how he can't tolerate someone not being loyal) but then he showed TO ME quite a callous side by that. It was what made me wonder if that is why he ended up starting his own label and firing everyone. Wish I thought to reference what you did, as to me it shows that it clearly isn't all editing here putting him in a bad light. Funny, but part of me always wondered why a guy who seemed so nice could be so happily married to Lisa Hartman who not only impressed me as being not so nice, but had a long reputation for it. This show has expanded my understanding of this I fear. I know I'm taking it WAY too seriously, but as I said, this episode just got deeply under my skin!!!
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 2:22 pm
I guess I am more out of the loop than DT. I don't even know who Perez Hilton is. DT has always come off as someone who thinks he knows more than anyone else. And his minions had darn well better agree with him. I am really uncomfortable seeing his lovely, educated daughter sit there and listen to her dad slobber like an old hound over the hot babes. Tionne was clearly cut because she hasn't been spicy enough. Even when she was project manager it was all about Joan. And Khloe, well if I were her, I would sue his ass but she likely can't contractually.
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 2:26 pm
Texannie I caught that but was puzzled at how he could define her complaints as insubordinate. Insubordination is usually defined as deliberately disobeying someone in charge and unless they edited her saying she refused to go along with the concept I don't see how that follows insubordination. I guess Dennis would be a more clear definition of insubordination when he would either not show up or just walk away. ETA: I guess I'm like Lurknomoore as well and taking it too seriously but I really was pissed at his choice to degrade Khloe for something she has been legally paying for and used that as a reason to dismiss her from a show when he has let stuff like this slide with others and made such a spectacle out of giving people a second chance. -Star
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 2:31 pm
lolol Gidet, allow me to give you the short 411 on Perez Hilton. He was an unemployed loser who stared a gossip blog from his local coffee shop. He often draws all sorts of rude, sexual implications on pictures of celebs. Ironically he usually seems kinda nice in interviews, so it makes me wonder if he just saw a way to keep his blog "edgy" since it turned into an amazing successful career (go figure lol). He looked far less freaky than usual last night btw. ITA about Khloe btw. But I'd feel far more sympathy for her if she and her sisters and Mother weren't always drinking like out of control college kids. Ironically I just stumbled on their innane show this weekend and caught a bunch of them. More Paris Hilton fame in action. SIGH. Least she seems to really work at the store, but that entire family..well let's just say they aren't my type of people. Ok I need a break from this. It's clearly making me lose my semi-sane mind lolol.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 2:31 pm
I think I get Joan. Remember the Gloria Steinem reference? Joan is a pioneer - imagine all of the sexist bull she has seen over the years in the world of comedy (and entertainment industry in general). It's 2009 and Joan is 75 - you bet she is incensed at still seeing this crap!! Seems a bit rich imo to expect her to stand up to sexism courteously and 'professionally' in DT's anachronistic, '70s mentality board room. How else will men like Clint change their behavior, unless it stings? Of course she was hoping that female viewers would follow her lead in throwing out his cds. We women owe a lot to ball breakers like Joan, with her more radical 'tude.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 2:35 pm
Ms C1, was on my out but saw your post. LOL thanks for making me feel a bit better for my inability (so far) to get his out from under my skin). I think you did a great job summing up why it ticked me off so much! He has been so hypocritical and judgmental. At least it seems most fans are not buying it and are as annoyed as most of us are. Ok now I'm really truly stepping away from the computer for a bit and hoping to let it go!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 2:57 pm
Shar, I think you are right. Joan was so disappointed that the other two girls didn't say or do anything and just took it.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 4:15 pm
I thought it was disingenuous of both teams when they tried to get the little people actors they hired to validate their words/plots. What were they supposed to say? I refuse to do this, or, that is a very offensive term.. right, and then they lose this gig.. And when the one actor said midgit was ok with him, the other actor sittig on the couch made a face of clear disapproval. I also fault Annie for contiuing to use the term repeatedly in her blog, too. I'd like to see several of thses celebs have lunch with Matt Roloff, who I'm sure would be willing to gently educate them a bit. Of course Annie clearly doesn't mind hurting feelings, so no surprise. Her blog had some good and interesting points but seemed just a wee bit self-serving to me.. she was a bit too celebratory about her contribution in "branding".. heck it never occured to me that the three LP actors were dressed to look like a container of All! I just thought they looked silly. And she wanted more credit, but she was also the one who repeatedly pushed for the use of the word midget, too.. and that was part of what sent three of her team mate to the board room.
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Crzndeb
Member
07-26-2004
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 5:39 pm
I'm just glad this is one reality show I don't watch...Just reading the comments make me dislike DT even more...I've always thought he was big TOOL!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 6:13 pm
I think Annie is the reason why Athena's video did poorly. She kept pushing the incorrect word, and she really liked the swearing at the end. There is a way to hook people without being vulgar. I'm not sure Annie understands that. And Deb, yup, I dislike Trump even more after watching the last few shows I've watched. But this week's? Straw. Camel's back. WAY disgusting.
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Serobken
Member
05-23-2007
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 6:26 pm
I looked on this page and found out that Khloe was fired before I saw the show and I was angry too, but after watching the boardroom I believe Donald had more of a problem with her taking a leave of absence from her DUI community service than her actually having a DUI. Also, if you happen to catch her family's reality show on E! (which I watch) they have an episode which shows that she actually missed more days of her community service and when she went to plead her case, the judge sentenced her to jail time for not completing her community service. She actually only spent like 30 minutes in there due to overcrowding. but I do agree this season Donald is a little off his game.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 6:51 pm
I am also loving Mrs C1mag as much as Mr C1! you had me LOL about his passwords! hee hee My DH is total opposite, he has different ones for everything, he has a 2 page spreadsheet to remember them all LOL
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 6:53 pm
Jimmer, can you put the words 'ROBBED' beside Tionne and Klohe's pics above? I also agree DT is like a dirty old man this season. Doesnt he have editors that tell him how he is comming across? I wonder why his DD/DS dont tell him
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 7:11 pm
Trumps kids have seen him lusting their whole lives. How many marriages has he had? He's got a short attention span. I wouldn't be surprised if he was being a cad on purpose to throw it in his present wifes face. Don Jr and sis are use to this behavior. I'm sure Donny isn't too different from daddy.
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Hummingbird
Member
08-21-2002
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 7:45 pm
Clint's video stunk out loud and he was soley responsible for it. I don't mind an occasional off-colored joke if it is funny but that "dirty laundry" line didn't make sense and the whole thing was offensive. Who wants the picture of Black masterbating in their mind? Ugh! Okay, so you don't volunteer for execution but Athena shouldn't have even been called into the board room. There was an obvious winner to the challenge dispite what the All people thought. Do they even know what a viral video is? Poor Khloe! DUIs are serious but she is paying her dues for this and Donald Trump didn't have to humiliate her on national TV after coddling Dennis for several episodes when he needed to go from the very first. Sexist, arrogant, totally unfair Trump!
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Countrydaze
Member
11-07-2003
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 8:11 pm
Well Mr. Donald is certainly getting some big time bad press over this. I haven't talked to one person today who liked what he did. In fact everyone had very harsh words (which I won't repeat here) about him, from my 17 year old nephew and 20 year old niece to my mother and dad who are in their late 80's. Donald be a man and apologize to Khloe for the deplorable way you degraded her! Wow is everyone mad about this, which is good.
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 8:24 pm
Celebrity Apprentice Khloe Kardashian Fires Back at Being Fired Khloe Kardashian talked with Ryan Seacrest this morning on his radio show about her Celebrity Apprentice experience. Surprisingly she said it was a good experience, despite how it ended. Khloe was fired last night, not because of her performance on the task (creating a viral video for All), but because Donald Trump said he would have never allowed her to do the show had he known she had a DUI. In the boardroom, instead of firing Clint Black, (who obviously should have been fired after fumbling the viral video task), Trump started lecturing Khloe about her DUI....Trump claims he didn't know that Khloe had missed the last task because of her DUI court order. Khloe told Seacrest she felt he had to know...she hadn't kept it a secret and everyone else on the show knew. Trump also said during his lecture to Khloe, "I hate people who drive under the influence." Khloe says she feels Trump was attacking her for no reason (in regards to her work ethic)....and although she doesn't expect everyone to forgive her and get over it, Khloe says "Don't bring me on your show and attack me for something that has nothing to do with the show or work...I did my job, I did what you asked me to do, my DUI had no relevance to the Celebrity Apprentice." Trump and Khloe have not spoken since he fired her and she does not expect an apology from him, saying he has a right to his opinion. LINK
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 10:17 pm
A couple of things struck me when I read Annie's blog. Doesn't it sound like she's saying they already knew what their task was before they met with Trump? The women had already worked out a plan to have Joan get in a tub, get scrubbed by midgets, and come out looking like Brande. Then they found out Trump was mixing up the teams. No wonder both teams had little people in mind. Annie also said that Joan, Natalie, and Khloe had been texting Athena all day about the trouble with Clint. No wonder Melissa was chiming in on this, although I did find it funny that she took the opportunity to point out how her mother contributes to conflicts by cutting people off. Watching Joan finally "take her stand" reminded me of one of my old jobs. We'd have these meetings with our manager and for some reason everyone would look to me to express whatever problems we were dealing with. Eventually the manager just shut me down with "You're the only one who's complaining." Natalie and Khloe should've made it very clear that Joan was speaking for them as well, instead of just griping on the sidelines. Khloe did mutter something, but it came across like Joan was being a bad influence on the girls instead of all three of them being frustrated. Clint was foolish for thinking it was a nice gesture to leave them out and tell them they didn't have to do anything. Doesn't he get the point of the show by now? Granted, he has always subordinated himself to his PM's, but he didn't like it when Brian treated him the way he was treating Joan. Brian didn't let Clint use his creative talent for that concert, and Clint didn't let Joan use her comedic talent for this video. Now in his defense, the women did all think the joke was funny and a good idea until that meeting scared them off of it. At that point Clint should've listened, but he might've listened if they hadn't initially thought it was a good idea. I think he believed they had just gotten intimidated by the ALL people and were losing their edginess. Personally I think the mud wrestling would've been a good Plan B, with Clint and Joan in the mud rather than the two girls. Did anyone else think the ALL execs missed the joke? They kept talking about the "cheating" as if they thought Clint had just gone to one of his other girlfriends. I don't think they got the joke, and it's probably for the best. Trump's lecturing of Khloe tells me he fired her for the DUI and not just the absence. Others took time out and didn't get in trouble for it. He also acted as if Khloe just went MIA and he had no idea where she was. If that had been true, he would've behaved much differently during that task instead of just saying "Khloe will be gone today but will join you tomorrow." He would've said "Has anyone seen Khloe?"
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, April 06, 2009 - 10:27 pm
Heck, he totally tolerated DENNIS going MIA a couple of times before he was finally forced to bot him, and Khloe's absence was known ahead of time and announced by Donald.
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 9:57 am
I was sorry to see Tionne leave considering the circumstances, I cannot recall the former contestant that Trump mentioned in explaining his logic. However , I have no problems with Khloe being fired,I was not impressed with her presence in the first place. As a very busy man I can understand whey he would not have known about her DUI or Perez's sexuality.
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