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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 4:18 am
I'm so happy with the changes they have made to the show.. they are working hard to BOND the group, the sharing of trainers, plus seeing Bob and Jillian work as a team, and this competition tonight where it really mattered that they all did well.. excellent. I wish they wouldn't stress the snarky remarks made by Shay (and shame on them if they are egging her on, too), but overall I like the positive vibe this season. The past two seasons or more have been less pleasant. I do think from what Bob and Jillian said, there WILL be a bad week.. they just trained them differently to buy them the extra week (or two of them anyway).
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 4:19 am
Color | Name | Age | Height | Starting Weight | Previous Weight | Current Weight | New Loss | Week's % | *Total* Loss | This Wk Finale | | BLCK | Julio mortgage loan officer | 39 | 6'0" | 407 | 394 | 375 | -19 | -4.82 | 32 | | | GREN | Allen firefighter | 44 | 5'11" | 325 | 296 | 306 | -10 | -3.90T | 29 | | GREN | Abby teacher | 35 | 5'4" | 247 | 232 | 221 | -11 | -3.90T | 26 | | | BLUE | Rudy engineer | 31 | 6'4" | 442 | 400 | 414 | -14 | -3.34T | 42 | | BLUE | Dina custodian | 28 | 5'5" | 253 | 245 | 237 | -8 | -3.34T | 16 | | | BRWN | Liz grandmother | 49 | 5'7" | 267 | 257 | 247 | -10 | -3.32T | 20 | | BRWN | Danny musician | 39 | 5'11" | 430 | 406 | 394 | -12 | -3.32T | 36 | | | PRPL | Mo coach | 56 | 6'2" | 355 | 336 | 327 | -9 | -3.31T | 28 | | PRPL | Tracey homemaker | 37 | 5'2" | 238 | 238 | 228 | -10 | -3.31T | 10 | workout limits | | ORNG | Daniel student | 20 | 5'8" | 454 312 | 300 | 293 | -7 | -3.03T | 19 | | ORNG | Shay social worker | 30 | 5'8" | 476 | 459 | 443 | -16 | -3.03T | 33 | | | RED | Antoine health insurance agent | 23 | 6'0" | 367 | 349 | 341 | -8 | -2.46T | 26 | | RED | Sean youth pastor | 29 | 6'2" | 444 | 422 | 411 | -11 | -2.46T | 33 | | | PINK | Amanda nursing student America's Choice | 20 | 5'6" | 250 | 244 | 240 | -4 | -1.98T | 10 | | PINK | Rebecca nanny | 25 | 5'6" | 279 | 261 | 255 | -6 | -1.98T | 24 | | | BLCK | Alexandra college student | 20 | 5'8" | 309 | 309 | 296 | -13 | -3.63T | 13 | Out Week 1 | Week 2: We see aftermath of last week's booting of Alexandra over Julio. Mo hated sending "that child" home. Shay bashes Julio for not losing enough. Ali tells them it is always hard to see people leave. Tells them there is a way for them ALL to buy an extra week, for all to be above the yellow line this week. They must accept the challenge of losing 150 pounds as a group of 15. If they accept the challenge and don't meet the goal, TWO people will go home. They accept the challenge but all are apprehensive. Coach Mo tells them they have to work as a group. He will motivate them if they accept him in that role. Daniel can help them since he's been through a week 2 before. Mo tells Julio he owes them all for keeping him. He has them all repeat "It WILL be done! Bob and Jill arrive to see that Julio is still there. Bob tells them week two is notorious: chances are they will work just as hard and lose half as much. They tell bob and Jillian about the challenge and both are skeptical. However, they jump right in. Bob keeps half of them in the gym and sets up a rigorous circuit and tells us they have to go balls out, crazy. Meanwhile Jill takes the other half to talk about nutrition, cannot starve, hit the burn, bet the right amount of calories in/out, accelerate weight loss, play hormone game: anabolic, catabolic, have game plan, behavioral things, calorie is a unit of energy. Read the label on the package, focus on BURN. Bob tells Danny they have to get this weight off, you have a family back at home, will kick your ass every single day as long as you are here. End of day but Bob encounters the blue team, Dina and Rudy.. Dina is really worried and she only lost 8 pounds last week. Bob says get 1200 calories in and hit burn at 600. Quit spinning your head around. You are out of control, Chill OUT. She says ok. Rudy tells her the stress is killing her, smile. Bob says stress won't do any good. Rudy hopes she will respect what BOB says. In the house, they talk about stressing.. Brown team talking with Jillian about how to plan easy means. She heard they were taking 90 minutes to make meals. Ziploc easy zipper.. make lots of servings, labeled, put in fridge. So they make fajitas.. Los Robles Hospital & Medical Center Coach Mo goes to visit Tracey, bringing her purple T shirt. He says being alone is scary for him. Nervous to see how she is doing. She wasn't speaking, talking or moving when she left. He hopes she will remember him. She remembers him and gives him a hug. Finds out they are the Purple Team. He tells her they have survived. Tracey is quite touched. She wants to come back. Mo tells us he doesn't want to pressure her at all. She appreciates it so much.. Says tomorrow she'll be out of here. At the ranch Daniel gives pep talks about how great it is that they are all working together. Shay tells us she doesn't want to be next out the door. Bob has given them ideas for working out on their own and they go to the gym. We see Julio sitting down and then he says he is going to the bathroom. We see Shay telling us she is SO FRUSTRATED right now. She tells us a bunch of people who are working and they need Julio to pick it up! She complains to Daniel. A couple of hours click by and we see Julio return to the gym. Daniel and Shay are still working... she snarks that he needs to get on a machine. Julio not working fast enough for them. Shay barks out asking how many calories he still has left to burn. She complains to us again. Says if they don't make that 150 pounds, Julio needs to go home. Daniel leaves and Shay rags on Julio sort of scolding him. He stays in the gym after she leaves, but he isn't moving real fast. Back from commercial, we see people hanging in the house.. Tracey is returning!! Julio says he was the first to see her, ran up and hugged her. She tells them she is weak but here and starts to cry, so glad to be back. Says it was a big deal in the hospital, put it in perspective why we all are here. Mo tells here we are a team. Sean jumps in and says speaking of a team. She puts on her purple shirt. Says she has to catch up; they look GREAT. Cannot wait to hear what is going on. They welcome her back. Next day Tracey meets with Bob. They talk about people being ahead and that she cannot workout like they are, yet, doctors haven't given her the go. So she has to get nutrition completely in check. Workout, then give body protein, to build it up. Prom for Biggest Loser Protein Powder. (Designer Whey Protein) Back at the California Health & Longevity Insititute at the Four Seasons Hotel, we see Ali and lots of plates of food. Looks like a Challenge to me. Tracey is a major fan, says might be a temptation or a challenge.. her heart is racing. Ali talks of the 150 pound challenge. Today will learn basics of what to eat to lose weight.. World Class Chef Curtis Stone (?) There will be a quiz of 8 questions. If they answer 5 of 8 questions correctly, they will get an advantage of 15 pounds at weigh-in. Talking portions, fats, weighing, cooking methods, salads with dressing and croutons, substitutions, sodas, (Sean loves sodas.. me too), healthy snacks. Three meals, two snacks, lots of info. Hard for them to pay attention, they say. Overload. Ali returns to give the quiz. Sean: Oh, CRAP. Purple Team: Portion size: which of three plates has correct serving for family of four. They pick the middle plate (Tracey even picked up the portions) .. Correct (3-4 oz per person) 1 right Orange Team: Five ways to cook without oil. Shay tells us she knew the answer right away: they have to name three and they do Baked, Poached, Steamed Correct 2 right Brown Team: Danny is worried. Eating out. Guess calories in Chicken Caesar Salad 540 840 1010 They guess 1010 and they are Correct 3 right Pink Team; Starch. By substituting zucchini for pasta, how many fewer calories are in one serving? 110, 248, 343. They waffle.. and guess 248. Correct. 4 right. Green Team: Soda. How many calories if you have a 16 oz glass with 3 refills 685, 717 or 789. They are nervous. They say 789 calories. NO.. it was 717. Red Team: Guessing which dessert is less than 150 calories cup of fresh raspberries, w/ half an oz of dark chocolate dipping sauce, 1/2 C low fat yogurt,1 C blueberries and 1 T slivered almonds, or 1 C vanilla ice cream. They choose the parfait. Raspberries best. NOT correct Right 4 Wrong 2 Shay is upset Blue Team: Snacking. 3 reasons to add a protein to any snack. Name 2. Shay tells us if they don't get it right then it falls on Julio and she's not gonna lie, she doesn't have all the trust in the world in Julio (and I'm not gonna lie, she is really bugging me.. I know, editing..) Feel fuller, and more fuel for muscles they answer. Correct!! 5 right, 2 wrong. Rudy is happy, whole room is happy, Shay is even happy. They get a 15 pound advantage, so only have to lose 135 pounds. Challenge at Lake We see a dock over a lake. This is a group challenge. This week, it is what you can do for each other. Four rafts, separated by balance beams. Have to get whole team to a raft before moving on to next. If one person falls, it is over. Each balance beam is smaller than the one before. A prize for each stage of the game. first raft: 5 pound advantage second raft: 5 pound advantage third raft: phone calls home fourth raft: 10 pound advantage All get suited up with helmets and rather small float vests. And off they go on the widest beam to the first raft. it is not real stable and al move carefully and some help each other. Tracey says balance is a huge issue for her... legs like rubber, she is afraid they will send her home. All shaking, especially Tracey. She gets help.. Five pounds.. so now have to lose only 130 pounds as a group. Second beam, smaller and shaky. Abby, of Green team, is VERY shaky and Ali points it out. (their strategy is that a bunch are on the beam at once, which does allow them to hold onto each other but one person shaking shakes all. Rebecca is at the end of the line and tells them to shhh.. They make the second float and now get another 5 pounds off. 125 pounds needed. Third beam is smaller yet and shaky. Sean is missing his wife. Danny to wants that phone call home. All working together. Daniel almost falls. They work together. And they make it. They get phone calls home!! All are so happy. Mo says almost as if they are finished. But there is another 10 pounds with a very narrow beam, 6 inches wide. They start off. Shay being encourages.. down to last three.. Shay, Antoine and Rebecca, they inch along and make it!! 115 pounds is now the target loss for the whole group. Danny plays the guitar by the pool (wish we got to see a bit more of that stuff.. that they have lives and interests, even on the BL ranch) and the phone calls home start. Lots of happy tears. Julio is determined, he tells us. Amanda hears of all the support across the country. Coach Mo cries, hearing the little voices.. All nice calls with pictures of sweet families. Abby, who lost her kids, tells her parents she climbed a mountain and two butterflies followed her the whole way. Sean's wife got an ultrasound and the baby on the way is a girl! They hang out in the kitchen, talking about the challenges and Bob and Jillian come in and they tell them they are down to 115 pounds to lose. The trainers tell them that's great, but it won't be that easy even now, to lose that much. Shay tells us Bob and Jillian have been through week two before, not as hopeful as it seemed. (at least Shay doesn't mention Julio). Bob and Jill strategize. Maybe hit them hard and then they pay in week three. Bob will go after Julio. Jill says that Julio is not doing work: KILL HIM! In the gym, Bob calls Julio over. Julio warns Bob that his legs are dead. Bob says they will be and starts working him hard. Julio says afterwards he'll love Bob, but now wants to kill him. Julio doesn't want to be below any yellow line again. Jillian pushing Rudy hard.. he lost a bunch last week, but has to keep pushing. LOL.. Jillian playing tug o war with Rudy and Bob says Jill is 115 and Rudy is 400. So Bob joins Jillian on her end of the rope. And They work Rudy hard. And Rudy pulls them over. Antoine doing scary sit ups.. PULL! PUSH!! Moaning, groaning, panting, wheezing.. emotions coming up. Bob talks to Shay about letting go of her mom, the heroin addict who dies. She cries and Bob wants her to know she deserves to be happy. Weigh in As they walk in, Julio tells us there has been a rift and he wants to make a statement that they kept the right person. 115 pounds is a little more than 7 pounds each.. to pull fair share this week (Shay looks at Julio). Bob says week two can suck.. 115 pounds in week two is a lot. Jillian agrees. Pink Team is first: 10 pounds.. Amanda down 4 pounds to 240; Rebecca down 6 to 255. .54%. Lots of shocked looks. Rebecca says she worked just as hard for 6 as she did for 18 last week. Amanda is second week of low numbers.. (She isn't giving %, but they lost 1.98%) 105 pounds to lose as a group. Purple Team: Tracey's first weigh in since leaving the hospital. See what she and Mo did. Tracey is scared. They lose 19 pounds. Tracey lost 10, from 238 down to 228. Coach Mo loses 9 pounds, down to 327. (This is a team loss of 3.31%} Tracey is so happy; she hasn't been in the gym, just walking. Mo is so happy. 19 pounds this week by himself, 19 with his partner now. 86 pounds to lose as a group now. Red team next.. Sean is nervous. 19 pounds total.. Antoine down 8 to 341, Sean down 11 to 411. 2.46% loss. 67 pounds left to lose as a group. Time for the Green Team. They lose 21 pounds! Allen down 10 to 296 and Abby down 11 to 221. Their team % is 3.90. Needless to say, they are quite happy. 46 pounds left to be lost by the remaining teams. Brown team next. Danny is freaking out; worries that he'll be that guy who gains in week two. They lose a total of 22 pounds. Liz down 10 to 247 and Danny down 14 to 394. 3.32% loss. Much celebrating. 24 more pounds to be lost for the group goal with three teams left to weigh in. Blue team.. Dina is extremely nervous. They lose 22 pounds. Rudy down 14 to 400 and Dina down 8 to 237. 3.34%. Only 2 pounds left for the group goal with Orange and Black teams to weigh in. Black team next. Julio says only two pounds left to go. He feels like he has to put up a number to show them that he is putting in the effort. Shay feels compelled to tell us that all she can see is the day after Alexandra went home when he didn't even get on the bike. Shay hopes he gets a bad number so he will realize he has to do the work. Julio (of course they don't show what he lost and we see guys gasping and saying "shhhh" And.. to much clapping (but Shay looking like she swallowed vinegar) we see that Julio, all by himself lost 19 pounds. He is now 375 pounds down from 394. 4.82%, the best so far, and the goal exceeded by 17 pounds so far. Julio says he does a lot of his working out by himself. Shay is completely shocked and she really hopes he will continue to put in an effort the rest of the time he is here. Ali says no one is going home tonight. Bob says Orange Team is going to DO it. Daniel says they want to make a statement. Ali says if they lose 18 pounds they will reach the original 150 pound goal. Daniel says time for Orange Team to stand up. Shay has a rock in her stomach. It must be a very tiny rock, because they lose 23 pounds and Shay lost 16! Daniel lost 7, is now 293. Shay lost 16, is now 443. 3.03% team loss. Daniel is below 300 for the first time since high school. Ali points out that Daniel started out last season just a bit less than Shay weighs now. He tells Shay it shows that you can do this. Shay says the 15 of us just told Week Two where to shove it. Others make comments about week two. Original goal exceeded (155 pounds lost); all stay another week.
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Peeper
Member
06-14-2004
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 7:34 am
Another excellent recap....Thank you so much seamonkey
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 7:44 am
I loved this show last nite! So positive with everyone working together. Working together so everyone could win the phone call home was one of the best challenges ever.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 8:01 am
Same as before, just a one week delay. There will be a "week 3" curse for those who have dropped the most so far (IMHO). They are starving themselves. 1200 calories? That's not even basal metabolic needs for most of them. And what is this nonsense about PROTEIN after workouts? The evidence shows a carb:protein ratio of 4:1 is the ideal post workout recovery beverage, about 30 g CHO/8 g PRO (not this 20 g protein powder that Bob was pushing). They would be able to work harder if they replenished themselves a little more. When are they going to have a real nutrition expert actually on camera (instead of doing all the real work behind the scenes and on the website). They SHOW balanced meals (all food groups) but all they talk about is protein these days. I suppose it could be back to the first season when Jillian was on her anti-carb (carbs are evil) kick. At least they show some grains on the menu. Some day there will be a Registered Dietitian who has star appeal and will be the "celebrity guest" of the week. Interesting they talked about "burn" and quantified what they are doing EVERY day (6000-8000 calories output). If you take off for their basal needs (1500-2200) that is a lot of exercise/activity during their day. No wonder they are in the gym throughout the night. Okay, off my soapbox

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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 8:42 am
Kona, I posted here before that one of the last winners noted that in the months that she was home before the finale, she ate only 1200 calories per day, and worked out 4-6 hours per day. That's the one thing that bothers me about this show, the program seems far too extreme for the ordinary working/family person.
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Cyclope
Member
09-13-2005
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 9:00 am
I like how they changed the show this year too. This is a journey not an alliance backstabbing game like BB! I wouldn't mind if they were able to stay as a group all season long with competitions like they did last night and only eliminate someone below the yellow line when they fail the challenge. This could bring interesting group bonding and also new game strategies. Most of it I would hope they change the finale process to crown the winner. I was appalled by the weight of Helen and the "at home winner" last season. They seemed so underweight. This is not a good example of healthy habits.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 9:07 am
The women do eat 1200 calories a day and I think they are supposed to burn 6,000 per day (8,000 for the men). The BodyBugg gives them all the info they need individually to know if they are doing that and if you see them in the gym in the middle of the night, now we all know why. There's nothing realistic about it because no one in the real world can attempt this and if they do, trouble. As inspiring as the show can be, and I do love the show, it's tough to apply more than basic tips to real world activities. I work out with a trainer, ironically at 24-Hour Fitness, who loves and hates the show. When clients come to her and proclaim they want to lose 15 lbs. a week, she really has her work cut out for her because it's not possible and she has to explain why. The flat out "advertisements" last night were evident in almost every segment, or at least it felt that way. Since BL has now branded so many health & fitness items, I'm afraid we're in for that all season long, in addition to all the sponsor b.s. And on a more positive note - I also love the trainers working together and the real "teamwork" that is evident so far this season.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 9:28 am
I heard the same thing you did Sea. Jillian and Bob said they could work them to get more pounds off week 2 but the body's inclination to rebel to this new regimen is still going to hit. I also do not like the edit Shay is getting. I can't believe others haven't also made some snarky comments. But she is looking like a bit of a busy body at the moment. When I heard 1200 calories, Kona was the first person I thought of. Based on a previous conversation with her in the board diet thread. Dr. Oz also says more calories for weight loss. He says no one should be eating below 1400. Yet one of my Weight Watcher guest leaders told me she lives on 1150 a day and so do a lot of other people. I did not comment back since I have no intention of ever eating that low. For sure this show has a lot of flaws such as creating unrealistic expectations of people in the audience. And maybe not the best nutritional advise. They have a large number of contestants who gain back some and some a lot of the weight. So what did they really accomplish. On the other hand, I enjoy watching the people physically transform. I find it very inspirational.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 9:33 am
several different places i have seen suggest that for my height (5') and exercise level (light) i should only have 1200-1300 to lose weight
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Marysafan
Member
08-07-2000
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 10:43 am
I thought I would miss having the blue and black teams...but I was way wrong! I totally like the way they are all working together and supporting each other. Thank you BL!
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Scout
Member
01-20-2005
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 10:55 am
I agree - I'm loving this season of no black/blue teams, no alliances, no divisions, and two trainers for all of them. The whole team mentality seems to be really working if week two weight numbers are any indication.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 12:06 pm
Okay is it me or is Shea getting a bit annoying?
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 2:04 pm
Shay was annoying the crap out of me last night.. but I'm aware that they could be only showing her snarky comments.. still she tends to give the evil eye to Julio too. In the first episode, there were murmurs of ageism.. with some younger people saying the other young ones had "life ahead of them" while olders seemed more inclined to think that the younger one could still work out at home and had more fire in her.. which she seemed to be proving with the weight loss she reported so far at home. I have a feeling that Shay will ride the I'm young and need this more train and also the entitled train due to her dead druggy mom story.. but of course there are quite a few good stories this season, so they can battle that out. And it could well be that at her weight she will need a two season regime like Daniel is getting. I'm glad Daniel came back but it is sort of sad that it took him so long to really work at the process and I wonder what happened with his more industrious partner from last season. But they ARE editing Julio in a negative way.. interesting that he claims he worked out more alone but for whatever reason, he did bring a high number. Yeah Bob and Jill were clear that they worked them a certain way BECAUSE of the set up with the group goal.. which would give two people at least another week, but that they were well aware that the week two slump would just hit them later. It was nice that Tracey was able to lose while on a lower impact regime, but of course for her that is basically the first week loss.. Kona, they need you! And I get really tired of the product placements as well.. I mean cooking or preparing healthy snacks ahead is a good thing but who needs special plastic bags that stand up (any baggie would stand up with the snack inside, sheesh)??
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Bbfreak
Member
07-06-2009
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 3:25 pm
Sea! Thank you SO MUCH for the recap. I was already invested in Hell's kitchen before Biggest Looser started and I just had to watch HK. I don't have a Tivo or DVR so I am so grateful for your recap. THANKS for your hard work!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 3:48 pm
LOL it was a crazy night! I watched DWTS first because I wanted to vote.. got that chart done and started in on BL which is a long process and you can see when I finished.. after 4am.. Had to get sleep as I had a class at noon on oral and throat cancers.. and then I started in on HK which was two hours as well. I have two DVRs.. so can record four shows at once.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 5:30 pm
Sea, I think Daniel was the more serious from last year's orange team? It was Dave? who wasn't really ready. I think it is awesome that he lost 140 pounds. That is quite an accomplishment and he looks so good.
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Zgoodgirl
Member
08-22-2003
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 5:47 pm
I missed the first hour of the first show. Can anyone fill me in on Abby's story? TIA.
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Flamingo
Member
08-19-2003
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 6:44 pm
Zgood - Abby's 5 yr old daughter, newborn son and husband were all killed in a car accident a few yers ago. It's hard to even type that. 
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 6:59 pm
And I get really tired of the product placements as well.. By the time they got to the BL protein powder last night, we were in rapid FF mode. lol
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 7:14 pm
Jillian just signed a two year contract with I think that company.. I know there was something about whey in both and she tweeted about it. Assume Bob must also be associated or he wouldn't be pushing it. The best endorsements to me are the ones that benefit the losers.. the bodybugg and water bottles and any Brita products they may be given and of course if they get to a point and get exercise equipment or free training. But the stupid plastic products and bags.. of course I'm the microwave queen and I won't nuke in any form of plastic if at all possible. And Gidget you are correct, Daniel DID take it more seriously of the two and was down from 454 to 312 at the finale.. I feel much better about him being there.. I mean I felt pretty good considering how much he had lost and how he is mentoring Shay (just wish she'd cut out the snark and concentrate on herself).
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 5:35 am
((SEA)) for the recaps!!! much appreciated
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 8:14 am
I finally watched the show last night and cried lots of sad and happy tears. This new format is perfect and is more inspiring because you are not taking sides and want everyone to succeed. I see Shay for what she is, a young girl who has huge defensive barriers set up to protect herself. The snark is part of that barrier to attack first before you are attacked. I hope that Jillian's Mom can come and work with her on breaking down that wall and turning her around. She could learn some good lessons from Abby. Daniel and Coach Mo are my heroes! They are such great encouragers and motivators.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 1:17 pm
I am SO on the Coach Mo train!! I fell in love with him right away and hope he doesn't change and break my heart..
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, September 25, 2009 - 11:14 am
Interesting blog about the second episode: LINK
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