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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 9:17 am
As someone who has worked for a nonprofit for many years, I will say that the money is important, but it is rather embarrassing to have a champion for your charity on national tv whose behavior is so atrocious. LOL! That is a very good point!
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Emeraldfire
Member
03-05-2003
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 9:31 am
I don't feel Annie needs cleaning up. Not all poker players come from the bottom of the barrel. I have watched the World Series of Poker and there are a lot of players who are successful, with degrees, including engineers. They even have famous actors who participate. They just enjoy the game. It seems that poker players in general are looked down upon unjustly.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 9:46 am
Heh, Mamabatsy, I'm only 50 and have that problem. When I'm 70, I better live alone in a cabin in the mountains somewhere. 
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 9:47 am
Costa, we have a donor who is from a wealthy famous family, and while we love her support, honestly, sometimes we kind of wish she would go away. She is very judgmental and somewhat arrogant about her opinions about our industry. It can be very very hard to deal with her, and we do try to keep her somewhat insulated from other big donors. 
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 10:04 am
Poker players and bowlers are the athletic equals of smokers and fat people in a lot of eyes. In fact one can be all those things at the same time. lol In case it isn't obvious, I am being facetious here. I don't like Annie but keeping her mouth shut when called for makes her look a lot better than the oh so classy foul mouthed other contestant.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 10:24 am
Another thing Joan may not realize is that many poker players donate a large portion of their tournament winnings to charity. Barry Greenstein donates 100% to charity, but he keeps his cash game winnings. In fact, at least year's Main Event, all nine players on the final table had a charity to which they were donating (the WSOP does a segment showing why those players are donating to that particular charity. I don't see QVC doing segments showing what charities that money is going to.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 10:34 am
I think there is a difference between today's Texas Hold 'Em players and the poker players that Joan was referring to from her Vegas days.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 10:40 am
Barry Greenstein donates 100% to charity, but he keeps his cash game winnings. What does that even mean??
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 11:11 am
Sorry, that should have read Barry Greenstein donates 100% of his tournament winnings, but keeps his cash game winnings.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 11:41 am
we have a donor who is from a wealthy famous family, and while we love her support, honestly, sometimes we kind of wish she would go away. Be careful what you wish for.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 12:12 pm
I think there is a difference between today's Texas Hold 'Em players and the poker players that Joan was referring to from her Vegas days. How do you know that "Joan was referring to poker players from her Vegas days?" IIRC that was an assumption made here by a poster, not something that Joan, herself, said. WRT to donation of winnings, I hadda laugh, Lex. Good point with the "I don't see charities mentioned on QVC."
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 12:25 pm
Joan said something to the effect of 'i met lots of poker players in my days in Vegas and they are scum' (or whatever word she used). that led to my statement.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 12:32 pm
Costa...yesterday I was watching Chelsea Lately, and posted this: I've pretty well tuned out of this show, so I didn't see this latest fiasco, but.... I was watching another show on which they showed a clip of Joan going off on Annie about being a Poker Player. Joan said, "I met your kind in Vegas for forty years." So I think her distaste for Poker Players most likely comes from her early days of stand-up. So, those are Joan's words. The rest is my assumption.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 12:33 pm
Beekind, thanks for the advice, we do think about both sides. We do really appreciate her; on the other hand, we also realize that her idiosyncracies cost us a great deal of money at times, and at times drive other promising donors away. It's the kind of thing you have to constantly do a cost/benefit analysis on; and sometimes she comes very close to costing us more than she donates. It's just a fact. 
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 2:12 pm
Costa, rewind your tape and you will see that Joan DID say that herself!! That was not an assumption. She said it outright.
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Lakecat
Member
10-01-2006
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 3:04 pm
I believe Joan and Melissa will be on ELLEN tomorrow.
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Grannygirl4
Member
06-06-2007
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 3:24 pm
Yes, you are right Lakecat. I heard it also. Today's audience was upset.LOL
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 4:31 pm
Thanks Bee! (How did I miss that on Chelsea Lately?)
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 4:39 pm
I think it's well known about the charitable works pro poker players do and Annie is doing her part. Through CP she got her charity over 200k. However the focus seems to be on her being a hard butt and too self confident for her own good oh and let's not forget her being good at BJ's. http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/article/1937/many-poker-pros-donate-a-portion-of-winnings
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 5:24 pm
<<---- thought she was the only one that read cardplayer. Actually MGM, I think its very well known about the tremendous amount of tournament winnings donated by the pros, unless you are Melissa and Joan Rivers. I think Joan called it "blood money."
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 5:48 pm
I think what bothers me is the boasting. If you want to make your living gambling and donate money to charity that's fine and dandy. I just hate to hear these large sums of money talked about like it's chicken scratch, and I hate hearing Annie boast over and over about how generous poker players are. Of course they're going to be more willing to part with large sums of money. They didn't work for it. Easy come, easy go. It makes the other donors sound cheap when she goes on like that. Frankly, current events being what they are, this is not the time for anyone to be boasting about the amount of expendable cash at their disposal. It's horribly insensitive, and donating to charity doesn't make it less so. Why can't people be charitable without being obnoxious about it?
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 5:51 pm
Poor behavior on everyone's part but especially so on Joan and Melissa's. It doesn't matter who wins because I have no respect left for any of them. They should all fire their agents!
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 6:29 pm
Curly, it's not easy come, easy go. Some of those tournaments can have buy-ins between $10,000 (WSOP) and $25,000 (WPT), which comes out of their pockets. There is also the Chip Reese H.O.R.S.E. Championship which is a $50,000 buy-in. So they put up a lot of money out of their pockets to play for charity.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 6:45 pm
we are having a poker tourney with a whopping 15.00 buy in at our house this sat and we are lovely people not bottom barrelers. Maybe I will send Joan a tweet and invite her 
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 7:13 pm
I got to a final table playing texas hold em in Florida. Like Annie, I prefer Omaha but do better money wise in Texas Hold em. The buy in was $100 we ended up chopping the pot with (4). When we got paid out we were asked if we 'd like to donate to St. Jude...all 4 of us opted to give 10% which was $95 each. It was definitely hard work. I've played a ton of low and middle money tables and I haven't come across any low lives or nameless people.
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