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Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Kelly brought up the point that Angel lives and designs in NYC and therefore she HAD to be exposed to the term. And if you are going to be designing in the fashion world you really need to know what's current. I'd kinda be offended, too. When she asked Reco, she got stuck on hip hop and didn't take it to the step of a break dancer. (For someone who didn't know and actually could have gotten a pass, was Merlin. Who probably never really encountered mean girls when he was in school in the Honduras, but still managed to think of the movie and pull out a win.)

At any rate, most of Angel's designs were frightful or incomplete and it was way past her time to go.

Finally, even if you did live in a rural area of the country, if you want to be a fashion designer, please educate yourself on various styles of music, dance, and fashion. Cuz I'm sure if I was supposed to design something rural and came up with overalls and checkered flannel shirts, I'd get reamed, too!

Nerovh
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06-12-2005

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I think they should have been insulted by Johnny's outfit, too, though. What kind of athlete/jock would EVER wear that crappy thing? And how hard could it possibly be to come up with anything more decent looking than that? Not saying that Angel's wasn't bad, just that in this case, Johnny's was waaaaay worse. Couple that awful outfit with his "I don't care" atitude and it just seemed like he would have been an easy elimination. At least Angel wanted to be there.

Beth4freedom
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10-24-2003

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beth4freedom a private message Print Post    
A couple quick links about Angel:

I was looking for her "winning" design from a previous week (I guess she actually came in second?) and found this:
http://alwaysinstyle.com/2009/06/the-fashion-shows-angel-chang-sells-her-winning-shirtdress/

But also in my search, I found this interesting information:
"The Fashion Show's" Angel Chang Wants to Meet You
http://www.stylelist.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-fashion-shows-angel-chang-wants-to-meet-you/

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 6:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
I couldn't believe the way Angel was practically attacked and ridiculed for not knowing what b-girls wear,and to hear Kelly say she was "offended", Please!!

You have a lovely Asian young lady, brought up in the midwest, it's certainly not a reach to think she wasn't exposed to b-girls, and I'm pretty sure her music of choice wouldn't be rap, so to insist that you're a Neanderthal, or socially inadequate if you don't know this culture and have to be familiar with the dress is ridiculous. Hey, Kelly, I'm offended because you don't know clogging from Ireland or Scotland, and you must make a perfect clogging outfit. ( I have no idea what cloggers wear, but I did go see Lord of the Dance).

Sorry for any mistakes in typing, I lost my computer to an electrical storm so I'm typing this on my husbands' lap top and I never used one before, this took an hour to type, I'm a total computer idiot.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 7:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
yes, Kellsma, that's what i said.
jgalt, she isn't still a naive farm girl from IN. I posted her biography up thread.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
What does being Asian have to do with anything? And while she went to SCHOOL in the midwest, that's not where she's lived or worked in a while. Breakdancing is not rap, either. Angel tried to come up with an excuse and it was a lame one. I'm sorry but I'm totally with Kelly on this one. Angel is not straight off the farm and if she's not current in a field where SHE NEEDS TO BE, then she needs to be gone.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
B-Girls are part of pop culture and designers should have some idea especially young ones. I'm 50 years old and knew the basics of what b-girls wear or at least the stereotype of what they wear and goodness knows it's not what went down that runway. I thought it was fine for them to "not buy her design".

I just watched my tape an hour ago and I'm still sorta bewildered about Angel's lack of basic pop culture especially given her age.

I have no real fondness for any of these people.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 6:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Crzndeb.

In my house, when I'm a B-girl, it's a whole different thing.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 6:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Bee, they ain't being a "b-girl". It's being a "b"!! :-)

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
Fine, you can say she should have known about b-girls because she is in fashion and in New York, but for someone to say they are "offended",is a little ridiculous, How exactly was Kelly offended, of what transgression was Angel guilty to have offended someone because she merely stated she was unaware of a trend? For heaven's sake, let's get a grip, this is fashion, people cutting patterns and sewing, this is not looking for a cure for cancer. Was Angel purposely attacking Kelly, or ridiculing her in any way? Let's reserve being offended for something with a little more importance and substance. I am comforted, somewhat by looking at other sites where most share my viewpoint.

As far as my saying she was a lovely Asian young lady was in no way meant as disparaging in any way. A matter of fact, it was a compliment, my brother-in-law is Asian and I have many Asian friends, they are always wonderful, high achieving, and hard working. As an Asian, parents usually make sure the children do well in school, and are usually fairly strict. That is why I believe she wasn't exposed to a huge variety of trends. I polled all my Asian friends, and none were sure about b-girls, and were hard pressed to guess what they would wear. They did, or course, recognize hip hop and most guessed they would wear ovesized clothes, but the term b-girl just didn't ring any bells. By the way, my brother-in-law was offended for Angel, they way she was treated, and what's said by a small minority on different sites.

Yes, by all means, this girl should be run out of town on a rail, tar and feathered, I sure hope the death penalty isn't in effect, this is sounding like the Salem witch trials for heavens sake. It's making dresses, and this young lady was unaware of this particular trend, it certainly isn't a reason for all this anger and criticism.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 7:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
so the word 'offended' offended you?
ok, so kelly was overly dramatic, but her point was the excuse was lame.

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 7:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
I was not personally offended at all. I was amazed at all the anger directed at this girl. The very nerve of Angel, the audacity not to be aware of b-girls, it was all so overblown and over the top.

I feel Kelly has added nothing to this show. I question her credentials to critique fashion, she was what, a singer with some group or something. I miss Project Runway and Tim. I'm sure this show could have found some ex model or fashion instructor, fashion photographer, someone with years of experience in the world of fashion who would have something constructive to say when they are checking out the fashions when the contestants are working on their projects.
Something a little more constructive and helpful then, "Gee, I would wear that". Maybe, if they have another Fashion Show, she will be replaced.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 6:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
As a designer, if that designer is not aware of "trends" (and I am using YOUR word), then that designer has failed. Period. If, as a designer, you do not know what current fashion is, then you are not a designer. <93> Angel as a designer is a failure ON THIS SHOW.

And once again... she never really completed any of her designs. She hot glued buttons onto the shirt dress (her one winning design). Most of her designs were unfinished and held together with glue or safety pins. She was also a failure in that.

It was way past time for her to leave. Period.

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
<93>

And Yes, TRENDS, those were my words, like the mini skirt, bell bottoms of yesterday, the b-girl dress may, in 40 years, be known as that trend of the early 2000's, so yes trends, is that a bad word in anyway, please let me know and I'll put it on my growing list of what I'm not allowed to say anymore.

As I stated, let's say she should have known what b-girls are, (but I bet many of the other contestants didn't know either), and I agree with you I thought her other designs were terribly unfinished, and in a word, an embarrassment to put on the runway, I still thought the attack I felt she received was over the top as do most people to whom I speak. Do I think she should have gotten kicked off for this challenge, maybe, ( I thought she should have gotten kicked off the last time she sent that totally unfinished piece out to the runway) she sure didn't capture the hip hop look at all, but I am really disliking this TREND in America today for people to be offended for the most ridiculous things.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 9:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
Guess no one was blown away with tonight's challenges since there aren't any new posts.

I had to agree w/the judges on them mini-challenge. That purple outfit that the girl and guy did was hideous! She looked frumpy and out of date. The two guys' (merlin and ??) winning outfit actually looked professional and well-thought out.

The main challenge - what can I say? I don't like it when they work together on the big stuff. I don't like watching people argue, and I'd much rather see them live or die by THEIR design, THEIR execution - not their collaboration.

Jennywa
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07-17-2003

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 10:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jennywa a private message Print Post    
Daniella <93> I don't care how talented she might be, I hope she is gone next week!

Beth4freedom
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10-24-2003

Friday, June 19, 2009 - 12:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beth4freedom a private message Print Post    
Reco gained points from me tonight in letting go and letting Danielle take over rather than having conflict. I still don't have anybody solid to root for on this show. At first, I liked John Paul and his designs, but he totally lost me with his saying that designing for the average woman was like Jesus dealing with Satan (not exact quote, but close enough). Danielle has shown some good designs, but way too strident personality. Johnny can't sew (I thought Merlin was smart to take over all the execution). There is just nobody that is a standout for me.

Oh, and it was a big disappointment when Isaac Mizrahi turned out to be the "guest" big fashion designer they would all be working for. There was such a big build up on that all week (blurred figure seen coming around the corner). I was sure it would be someone else.

So far this show gets a "C" grade for me. I hope they make a lot of changes if it comes back.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Friday, June 19, 2009 - 5:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
He lost points for me, because he said he would throw he under the bus if they lost. Giving in to her instead of trying to work with her was a cop out. She had a point about his ball gown; I don't recall any big silhouettes on the inspiration board. He could have easily offered a compromise with a pencil skirt instead of the pants. Instead, he gave up and planned to blame her for anything that went wrong.

I give her props for trying to reach out to him after the critique. Again, she had a point -- they came at the project from two different visions, but he was just as culpable as she was in their failure to merge their ideas. He was just far more passive aggressive about it.

Personally, I'm ready for Merlin and his constant references to "those " to hit the road.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Friday, June 19, 2009 - 6:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
The losing dress was really hideous!!!!!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, June 19, 2009 - 7:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Reco didn't let go. He capitulated knowing full well he'd throw Danielle under the bus the second they got any criticism. He didn't compromise, he intentionally threw in the towel. Reco didn't lose points from me because he's never gained any. While I think he's a good designer on occasion, his attitude is less than impressive.

I'm so over Merlin it's not even funny. If you walked in a room and saw what he was wearing, would YOU want him to design for you? His constant need for attention has gotten old. I dunno what his story is but I eagerly await the spoilers each week hoping I'll see him get kicked off. I worry that his "eclectic-ism" is what is keeping him around, that that is what appeals to Mizrahi.

Lidia totally deserved to go. I don't know what the two of them were doing since their outfit totally lacked cohesion, but to allow that gold crap to drap all over and then that horribly fitting dress... yuck! I can't remember anything she's done that I've liked.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Friday, June 19, 2009 - 7:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
I think Johnny is in bad need of a total makeover. He looks like someone's very hairy aunt with that bun on top of his head and his very loose-fitting tops that look like crazy aunt's muumuu. He sure doesn't look like someone I'd want designing clothes for me.

Smokey
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07-08-2003

Friday, June 19, 2009 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smokey a private message Print Post    
I think Johnny looks like a male Geisha. Stick some of those hair stick things in his bun, and some white makeup and red lipstick, and there ya go.

Lidia definitely deserved to go. I agree that I've not liked much of anything she's done so far.

Daniella's attitude problem developed early, I think, because she won so many competitions early on. She needed to be knocked down a couple pegs and hopefully, last night's show did it.

I don't mind Reco so much. He's in your face, PITA, and I'd rather have that than the behind the back kind of stuff. I think he's a good designer, but not a great designer.

I really don't think any of them are great at this point.

Oh, and I agree that it was such a cop out to have the special guest be Isaac.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Friday, June 19, 2009 - 7:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
That's because no other designer would want to be part of this show. The broke down version of Project Runway lol

Chy
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07-19-2003

Friday, June 19, 2009 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure Mizrahi is good at sharing the glory though.

Smokey, Johnny is way too sloppy to be any where near as a Geisha. Maybe an Ohbasan in charge of Geisha;s closets. But he's not good at sowing. Maybe an Ohbasan cleaning lady then.

I am also afraid that Mizrahi actually is lost or too fascinated with Merlin right now. Whatever is that man's story? Whoever told him saying B^%$@# constantly makes him cute should be crapped on.

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Friday, June 19, 2009 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
Normally I don't care for what Merlin or Johnny do but I did love what they did last night. They deserved that win!

And like others, I still have no favorite.