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Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I'm totally with you, Lori.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 9:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Thanks Hukd,I really thought I was crazy for a second there. Wonder how many hundred feet away the "witness" was ? lol

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 9:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I just now saw an add for next Monday's show saying the Gosslins have an announcement to make. They made it sound like it was going to be about separating.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 9:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Supergranny, I've said things to people who are hitting their kids too. Why is it acceptable to anyone that a child is hit? Like someone said upthread to do that to anyone else but your own kid is illegal. Why is it okay (and even widely accepted by many) to hit a child???

Annie, I've been too busy lately to actually sit down and watch, but I have seen some bits and pieces here and there. The only one I actually taped was the season opener. Other than that, if my kids are in bed and I am still awake and I'm flippin' channels and see it, I'll watch it for a bit. Usually 'til Kate gets too "naggy" for me. (Like when she was berating Jon forever when he was trying to separate the green and white onions.)

I used to like watching the day to day family stuff. But now they have all these TLC guests on or scripted trips and I'm bored. Plus I have my own cute kids to get my adorable kid fix from anyways!

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 9:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
I'm not trying to be bitchy or combative either but if someone is spanking their child in public that is child abuse and I will call them on it. I start out with something like "Your child must be tired." If tact doesn't work then I will point out there is no reason for violence and it is child abuse. For someone to just stand there and watch a child be yanked around by the arms and spanked...that someone is not me. If a person sees a dog being hit and kicked..most people will say something. But turn your head when a child is being spanked?

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
"For someone to just stand there and watch a child be yanked around by the arms and spanked."

See,therein lies the difference.Not all Parents who spank "yank their child around".. See,this is my point,I have never,EVER yanked my children by any limb,as this could truly hurt them. I HAVE spanked them on their behind as that is where God gave them extra padding. I don't think anyone here has said they condone "yanking children around"... That's the same as comparing spurring a horse in the Derby to Kicking a horse for the hell of it..

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
What year did spanking cross over from discipline to abuse? I got a couple of spankings in my life and I believe I had the most wonderful parents in the world. I certainly never felt abused, in fact I've always told people I grew up in the Beaver Cleaver household because I had such a fantastic childhood. My parents were spanked a time or two in their lives, too, and they turned out to be terrific people and I think I turned out okay, too. I think if you call spanking abuse you have gone around the bend. And if you called my parents abusive you'd have one hell of a fight on your hands.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I guess spanking (or beating as some would call it) is abuse if the observer thinks it is. What a great time we live in when other people think they can make our decisions for us.

ITA Twinkie. My Mom spanked us only while we were still in diapers. She said that once we were out of them, we understood that no meant no, etc.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 11:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Ahhhh.And the world makes sense again.Thanks Twinkie and Hukd

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 11:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Having lived with a cop for 17 yrs, spanking is something we have discussed many times. It IS acceptable to discipline your child by spanking. It is NOT acceptable to beat your children....and there IS a difference. A spanking hurts the child's feelings and gets their attention more than anything else. A beating hurts the child. I was spanked as a child...and I can tell you I ALWAYS felt like the most loved child in the world. My parents did not spank us in public though, because we were raised to be the kind of children that others wanted to be around.

If kate wants to spank, more power to her!
I had a friend who couldn't control her kids. THEY ran her life. She would come to work and be upset because she had an argument with her kid...and I was like why? Her kid could do whatever she wanted to because Mom was too tired to fight with her. (btw, the kid is PG now, Mom gets to "raise" another one) When did Love start to equate with equal say so in life? When did a parents love become children know best instead of Father knows best? I just don't get it. Multiply that kind of out of control child by 8, and you have a mess that nobody could live with! I'll be the kate is a little OCD, but she's just doing what she has to to keep a handle on a very large family.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 5:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I won't be watching the show Monday but I'm pretty sure it's the official "We Are Divorcing" episode.

I hope Jon has a good lawyer, I think he'd be the better custodial parent for the kids.

This last stint of spanking solidified my thoughts that Kate can't handle parenting on her own, jmo. Yes, I'm one that thinks spanking, hitting you child is unacceptable. No I don't think it's child abuse like locking your kids in a cellar but still not a wise way to discipline. I saw a clip somewhere where Kate threatened to spank another child. I'm guessing she does uses spanking more than anyone was aware of.

Have we heard if lawyers are involved yet? The sooner this marriage is over the sooner they can get back into some sort of routine.

How many reality show couples have ended up divorced, a lot, right?

I don't think Kate has much of a future writing books and lectures after this show ends but she's not a dummy and I'm sure she's saved her pennies and compared to average people she's set financially.

I so want Jon to be happyregardless if it's with this teacher person or someone else. He's put up with so much from Kate he deserves a good relationship.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 5:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
The commercial for Monday's episode said that they have made a (or some) decisions that would affect everyone in their family. And I think Kate said something about the decision giving everyone some peace. They clearly showed Kate in the foreground and Jon standing a bit away from her, so it certainly suggests that they are at least making a formal separation or something. Then again, TV shows love the drama and want better ratings, so it could mean other things as well. I highly doubt it, but I suppose it's possible that they could announce that it's their last season.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 5:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Saying that Jon "put up with Kate" tells me that Jon never matured. When 2 people take the vows of marriage, it's for better or for worse. It's a partnership, and if one person allows themself to be led around by the nose, oh well. There's no "poor Jon" in my book. None of this happened over night.

Well, whatever happens I'm sure some will not be satisfied unless Jon gets full custody of the children, Kate gets all of her hair shaved off, and she is banished to <77> Island to live a miserable life alone because she deserves it. And hopefully Jon will get all of the money and can hire full time nannies so he can continue on with his single life as "just Jon" and ride his new motorcycle off into the sunset with any number of young chicks who are also anti-responsibility.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 6:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Huk ita.

Count me in the group who thinks getting a divorce... at this time... is absolutely a tragic mistake. I think it would be a reaction to recent events and an accumulation of stresses and really, the easy road. Perhaps divorce is where this should end up but not now, not in the middle of a mess... it should be the final step in the clean-up.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
??....?? Just because we saw a cap suggesting a swat from Kate to Leah, now Kate should be sent to spent eternity with herself??

Jon would be just like the story of the Man, donkey and his child. Follow the peanut gallery! They say you've been putting up with Kate, that must be true! Forget whatever vow or promise you gave before the wedding, when you made the decision to go on with the six, and when you faked the renewal in front of children and family! Go enjoy as Jon plus nothing. Go live your lost Twenties with twenty-somethings. You could always wait to grow up with the twins.

My husband has a cousin like that. He used to look like an Italian hotty, won't want to waste his wonderfulness on just one woman. Being the only son he always had nice car/bike and money. That might be why it's difficult for him to keep a job. Now he has children with different moms which every one else chip in raising. But he's gonna go back to college to try to get his degree still! (Getting a degree is commendable, except he's been doing this for 36 years now!!)

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
??....?? Just because we saw a cap suggesting a swat from Kate to Leah, now Kate should be sent to spent eternity with herself??

Not sure if you're referring to my last post, but I said it because that's basically what I think some may wish upon her. It seems that Jon will be defended no matter whether he cheated or not (because he had to endure living with Kate...). I was totally being facetious.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 8:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I agree Lil. However I think she can probably squeeze out another book on divorcing when you have small kids, maybe even another one on how you juggle joint custody (I have a feeling it will end up that way).

And I can totally see them continuing on with the TV show, just with her and not Jon. Instead of slapping and sniping at Jon, she can slap and snipe at the celebrity guest they have on each week (think Emeril).

And TLC can continue to lead us to beleive that Kate uses Positive Parenting techniques, like those shown on Super Nanny, when she's really spanking when the cameras aren't rolling.

Yeah, I'm done with this show. TLC is trying to get back those great ratings they had for the season opener and it's starting to disgust me. If I want to watch families falling apart, I'd watch Intervention or Cops.

Glenrie
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03-24-2006

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 8:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Glenrie a private message Print Post    
Huk and Chy, ita with you both. Although the show started as Jon and Kate plus 8, it turned into Kate plus 9 over the past couple of years.

The one statement that keeps ringing in my ears is Kate saying last year on the renewal ceremony show, something to the effect that this would show that mommy and daddy would always love each other and be together. I keep wondering if she was trying to remind him of their vows.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
Neither of these parents are perfect nor are the kids that's what got me interested in the show to start with. It didn't take me too long to see that Kate was not a very loving wife. Now we see Kate is spanking, not cool. I predicted a while ago that Jon at some point was going to find love elsewhere I just didn't realize he'd do it while they were still filming. Maybe that's why he wanted last season to be the last, so that they could each move on with their lives and find romance again and avoid some of the media. If they laid low after the show ended maybe it would be less of a circus. But as usual Kate dismissed Jon's request to end the show and now they and the kids are hounded by people with cameras.

I think Kate will have a harder time dealing with divorce, she's sort of a marked woman. Anyone dating her that hasn't been privy to her personality will soon be told by friends and family that she's trouble. Besides having 8 kids will keep men at a distance. But who knows she can change so there is hope.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
It's hard to believe that spanking is such a deal breaker for so many. As far as I'm concerned, this one pap picture has just provided some with another reason to hate on Kate.

If all of the people on this little site were polled, there would be many who would also be relegated to the dung heap for such a horrific crime.

Grooch
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06-16-2006

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 10:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grooch a private message Print Post    
Did Kate actually take the kid and throw her over her knee and paddle her? Or did she give her a quick swat on the behind?

I'm confused.

Dfennessey
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07-25-2004

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfennessey a private message Print Post    
the picture to me looked like she just swatted her on the behind. but does anyone know why or are people just assuming the child did nothing wrong?

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
The word is that the child was blowing a whistle while Kate was trying to talk on the phone.

I've always taught my child that you don't touch someone unless it's done with kindness. You don't touch people out of aggression -- no pushing, shoving, hitting, pinching. So, to me, hitting is wrong in all cases. A spank is still a hit. I don't reserve the right to strike you because I'm older or bigger or the boss or the parent. It's a parenting choice.

I'm not sure why Kate didn't just take the whistle away. Or why she even let them have a whistle! Kids and whistles are sure to get on anyone's nerves.

Dfennessey
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07-25-2004

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfennessey a private message Print Post    
but what might work for one child may not work for another. My brother and Sister in Law have been lucky they have never had to spank their children. (they are now 13 and 15) My father spanked us until my brother laughed in my fathers face when my father slapped him across the face. My father did not know what to do so my father started laughing and we all started laughing so from that point on my father knew spanking or anything would not work for any of us.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 11:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I just saw the ad for Monday's show online. Gah. It's so manipulative. My guess is that TLC is surprised the ratings have dropped so precipitously, especially with all the publicity surrounding the show, and they need a hook to get people back. I've become convinced that the network, Jon, and Kate will do anything to keep this little balloon afloat, so I won't put any stock in whatever announcement they have to make on Monday.

But I'll watch because I'm a lemming.