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Happymom
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01-20-2003

Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 10:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I didn't think Kate would ask for spousal support, it tells me a lot that Jon didn't ask for it. (means his lawyer knows he wouldn't get it)

I'm wondering if Jon has a different lawyer for his divorce than he does for his TLC suit and countersuit. That situation seems utterly ridiculous to me. I think he has gotten bad legal advice in that case.

The roses could just be for publicity. Whether they are or not, it is really what Kate thinks about it that matters. From her recent interviews and most especially from the interview with Natalie Morales, I really think Kate wants everything to be ok/cordial/peaceful between them. She can still want that and strive for that and be mad at him at the same time.

I wish people would give her a break re: when she cries etc. on tv (some say she wipes away tears that aren't there or that her tears are just to show the poor-me-I'm- a- victim attitude). During the interview with N. Morales, you could definitely see the actual tears. As someone here posted several weeks ago, when I cry I also tend to dab at my eyes to keep the tears from running down. All Kate's tears have looked genuine to me even if she dabbed before they ran down her face.

I wish people would give her a break. She is grieving the end of her marriage. She is grieving that her children won't be able to spend as much time as they used to spend with their father. Jon is not grieving right now. He's been with several women and got himself a steady girlfriend and bought a house far away from his kids.

Sure she wasn't the perfect wife, but I did see her express love, appreciation, and support for Jon on the show more often than he expressed those for her. And I'm not saying he was a bad husband for not expressing it as much as she did. (We only saw a few hours of their entire marriage in all the seasons and specials put together.)

I do not agree with anyone who says that Kate is spending time with ONE of her bodyguards and his wife because she can't get other friends. Even if she hadn't mentioned other friends in interviews and even if she hadn't been photographed with other friends...just because she is friends with that ONE bodyguard and his wife doesn't mean she can't make friends with anyone else. I have made friends with lots of coworkers and even bosses in my life and it is not because I couldn't get any other friends. I can also see her having a hard time trusting people...some of the people that she loves have betrayed confidences just to make money. She is a famous woman who is the mother of 8 kids, she has a duty to them to be careful when choosing friends.

Re: him coming home from work (when the six were very little and he had his IT job) and helping with the kids at dinnertime and giving them their baths...I can't really give him extra credit for that. Sure it is better than those deadbeat dads that come home and are served dinner and then watch tv or play video games all night when the wife continues to clean the kitchen and take care of the house and the kids after working all day either at an outside the home job or even at being a homemaker....but it wasn't as if Kate was relaxing when he was doing those things....she was also helping with dinnertime and was probably doing the dishes when he was doing bath time. Yes, he did make her coffee in the morning and bring it to her in bed. Maybe she naturally requires more sleep than he does. I would think it would be more draining to take care of all those kids than to go to an office every day. In fact, I know it is and I only have 3 kids.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 11:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Happymom...I don't think she requires more sleep than him...I think she requires SOME sleep. With 8 kids, I would speculate that there was hardly a night that there isn't a bad dream, a need to go to the bathroom a can't sleep OR the classic I'm thirsty....you know the routine. Actually, she's probably up at some point most nights still with one or the other. We don't know which of them got up with the kid, or if it was both. Shoot, now that I think about it, I'm a real bear if I don't get at least 6 hrs of sleep. Maybe that's part of the reason she was so snippy...especially when the kids were smaller.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 1:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Good point Sabbatia :-) I didn't even think about that. My youngest never slept through the night until she was 4 1/2 and that's only 1 in 3 kids. She/they probably were up most nights with at least one for a lot of years. And I imagine that with the separation and divorce events of the latest months, there are many nights where at least one of them is needing a parent in the middle of the night.

Not surprised at all that she will probably get primary custody. I am so glad for the kids that it is going to likely work out that way...I'm glad and relieved. I really hope Kate gets to keep the house they now live in. I think it will be better for the kids not to have to move...plus they have the land so the kids can have privacy.

I wonder what will happen. I just cannot see K&J sharing the house as is their current arrangement.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 5:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Nicely put Happy. I don't like Kate and if we were neighbors or coworkers we would never be friends. She grates on my every nerve, is high maintenance and uses sarcasm to cope but that doesn't mean she is a sociopath or evil or doesn't love her children. She signed a contract and is living by it and that doesn't mean she has sold her soul and would do immoral things for money. Because I don't like her doesn't mean she isn't in real pain over her marriage. I believe she was shook to the core that her marriage ended and deeply hurt by Jon's actions since. I believe she has done a lot of soul-searching since then and I think she has changed substantially in the last year.

I posted mnths ago that I thought Kate would end up in the house with the kids and Jon will get traditional visitation and I am still sticking to that. Jon went out and purchased a new home but Kate never made any moves in that direction, she never indicated with any of her actions that she was moving away from her babies or even willing to consider it. Her time away is spent with friends/hiding or working.

The vast majority of divorced couples trade-off holidays so I am not sure why Jon/Kate should be different and why Kate is getting blasted for not *allowing* Jon around. Because they originally tried to share those days and ended up like pretty much every other divorced couple on the planet? Good for them for trying and welcome back to reality. LOL

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I have 1 4yr old (for my BB buddies, remember I gave birth during the Janelle's season... those were the days...) & 4 fur babies and 1 dh.

I am tired all the time! Alison usually wakes up in the middle of the night couple times a week from a bad dream. Plus my DH snores so I dont get that much sleep lol!

The furbabies are the easy ones! Cats make for a great back up alarm clock.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 8:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
rissa, you echo my thoughts exactly.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
TLC has really upset me - they have that countdown to the finale of Jon and Kate Plus 8 - 24 hrs +12 min etc... 20:17:16 till finale... are you kidding me? I think that upsets me as much as... ok maybe not as much. but still... its not healthy for the kids... ridiculous.... ok so advertising is what brings money to TLC - which pays J&K and hopefully +8

can you imagine what the 10 year reunion special will be? or the "where are they now?"

Wiapilot
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11-22-2009

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 1:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wiapilot a private message Print Post    
I really breathed a sigh of RELIEF when I read that Kate was getting primary custody of the children. Jon has exhibited so many instances of instability and immaturity. He feels that he has "lost out" on his youth while it is evident that Kate is fiercely committed to her children and would die for them.

There has been a lot of talk about Jon using drugs as well. Does it not seem odd that at first they were going for Joint Custody and that Jon gave up without a fight?? I have no doubt that Kate or TLC has some damaging evidence about him using drugs. Otherwise, I really think that Jon would have fought this. I suspect that in exchange for keeping quiet about the drugs that he has agreed to let Kate have primary custody. This is pure speculation on my part, but that is the ONLY thing that I can think of that would influence Jon's decision. I mean the world already knew about the parade of women.

No matter what you think of Kate (and I personally have the utmost RESPECT for her), no one can dispute that she is a great mother.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 4:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I hadn't heard anything about Jon and drugs. I know there were stories about Hailey and PAST drug use. Is that perhaps what you are thinking of? The stories I have seen all have to do with alcohol. I only remember once or twice that Jon has looked a bit impaired which is actually not bad considering that 1) he was going out every night and 2) paps were following him everywhere and had an interest in getting those shots. I think Jon has been drinking too often but I don't really see evidence of binge drinking. I wouldn't have concerns about him drinking with his kids at this point unless further information came to light. At this point I think that Jon has finally got it into his thick head what an idiot he has been. He is no longer courting the press daily and has taken a page from Kate's play book and is keeping a low profile.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 5:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I love Joel McHale and "The Soup"...he said that Jon's suit against TLC and media for making him look bad is like Hitler suing the History Channel. LOL

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Rissa, one of his bodyguards/former bodyguards...who knows is claiming he does cocaine.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 9:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I can't dispute she's an organized mother, a controlling mother, a devoted mother, but I can dispute she's a "great" mother. She just doesn't compare to women I see, women I know who are great mothers, really nurturing, supportive of their kids, fun and involved moms. So I guess we just define "greatness" differently.

Now Jon -- he's an utter disappointment. Him letting her have majority custody is really no surprise to me. He's off reliving his lost youth. I kind of see him as the kind of guy who will play around for a few years and then settle down again and have family #2, sort of a re-do where he gets to make up for what he lost the first go round. So sad for those kids because I feel his laid back nature was a good balance against Kate's uptight nature and the kids will miss out on that.

Really am hoping Kate gets those kids into some type of family counseling. I think it's way overdue.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Oh great Sabbatia, that's just what this situation needs. Hopefully (if true) it was just part of his meltdown and not anything long term.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
About 2 weeks ago I read the article about Jon using drugs and Jon's camp disputed it. I didn't post it here because it came out of of the blue; out of left field and I wasn't sure if it was credible.

TMZ has posted a clip that will air on tonight's finale show of Jon supposedly "bragging about being able to get away from his family when the going gets tough."
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=8f9fc0a0-febd-4439-ac57-684949cc1dbe

I'm not sure I see it as TMZ does, but I do find it humorous when he states he goes to his country home to getaway when he "gets sick of the press and the media." Jon sick of the media?? LOL, good one Jon! He hasn't met a camera he doesn't like.

TMZ article:

Jon Gosselin -- Last Moments with a D-Bag

"Jon Gosselin's finally going away ... from TLC -- and in one of the last clips from the series finale of "Jon & Kate Plus 8," Jon goes out sounding like more of a tool than ever.

During the show, which runs tonight at 9pm, the world's most irresponsible father of eight actually BRAGS about being able to get away from his family when the going gets tough.

Good riddance!
"

ETA: Welcome Wiapilot!

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Representative Dismissed Claims of Jon Using Cocaine and Sex Tape

Supposedly, we shouldn't believe what Kate's family and people who know her say re her nastiness, but it's okay to believe a National Enquirer made up story?? If there had been an ounce of validity to this story, the media would have run with it.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I agree Cricket. I didn't find it credible and also thought the media would have run with it if it was all that valid.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
FWIW, no one *needs* to be a "great mother." The current psychological work indicates that you need to be a "good enough" mother. That is, you can have faults, be imperfect, but as long as you care for your children (ie, physical care and providing for those needs), and do the best you can in meeting their emotional needs, and they know you love them, that's "good enough," and the kids turn out just fine. I think it's a good concept, turning away from the era where moms got blamed for every poor deed of their children. We don't need to be perfect, just "good enough." I think Kate most certainly meets that requirement. Jon, I'm not so sure.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Thank goodness Karuuna, because I'm not a great mother either! LOL. Kate may be "good enough", but I just cringe when I hear her described as "great". She falls way short of the mark time and time again to me.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
I wouldn't believe anything the National Enquirer says. If they told me the sun was shining, I be pretty sure it was night. I think Jon's drug of choice is alcohol.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I have to disagree with you, Karuuna. Jon is better with his children than Kate is. There is a distance between Kate and the chldren that I don't see when they are with Jon. Kate wants things in order and doesn't know how to let things go and just have fun in the moment.

Brenda was right when she said they balanced each other out.

How can you say Jon doesn't meet the requirements of 'good enough?' He took care of those kids the six months before the split became public. He was a stay-at-home Dad and did a great job.

There was nothing wrong with Jon as a father until he shut down TLC and Kate's money pit. They have since made him out to be a monster and a bad father. So not true.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
In the past I too regarded Jon as the better parent. Now, I'm not sure what to think of him, but previously I think he was more attuned to them, more involved with them, more connected to them emotionally. And they to him. So, my heart does ache for them that he seems to be gone so much now and distracted by his new life.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
The ending of a marriage is so very sad, and I feel for those children who will not be in constant contact with BOTH of their parents all the time. Having said that, though, I think that Kate is at a more responsible place to be the primary parent at this time. Hopefully Jon will finish whatever phase he is going through at this time and at some point in the future settle down closer to the children and be a more day-to-day parent.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Welcome, Wiapilot! Good to have you here!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
...what about ME, Beek? ;-)

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 11:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
What doesn't say good enough or great father about Jon is what has happened recently and for awhile. Partying, smoking, drinking, on the phone ignoring the kids while his "friends" the paps film from the gate and his fans get their pictures at the gate, setting up an expensive life style that is not child oriented at all.. the bachelor pad in another state, the sports car that doesn't fit a guy with 8 kids, talking as if he's put upon because he HAS kids, about getting away, needing to escape, being trapped.. and I could go on and on. Oh and the bringing in of various women for "sun bathing" and hot tubbing and over nights when the kids were there.. not the greatest idea and he's admitted that it wasn't.

I think there are many worse fathers than Jon has been but that doesn't earn him a total pass.