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Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I bet Kate is happy to have him out of her life now. What a freaking mess.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
It now appears that what was seen as Kate's rudeness towards Jon was just her keeping him in line. Without her telling him how to act, how to be an adult human being, his true nature comes out and he is a train wreck. Kate's big mistake was thinking she could guide him into becoming a responsible adult. I don't think that's ever going to happen.

So far from what we've seen of them, Kate seems to have improved her behavior without that ninth child to care for and Jon is... well, his actions speak for him.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Rude is rude.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 3:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I agree that rude is rude.

I think some of Kate's perceived rudeness was not really rude though. I think sometimes she was impatient or exasperated and didn't have the sweetest tone, but I don't think that was rude.

Sometimes she was rude, like yelling at him when they were in Toys R Us several years ago.

I think many people have a problem when their expectations (reasonable or unreasonable) haven't been met. They get hurt or disappointed and it comes out as anger to some degree. If she had the expectation that Jon would act as responsible adult, and he wasn't, I can see her being impatient with that. We did see him acting like a responsible adult sometimes on the show, but we don't really know how either of them were, except what tlc showed us. Maybe w/o the cameras, he was a whole lot more like what we've seen since their split.

They both said their communication worked for them. I think what others saw as rude, maybe didn't bother Jon so much...until he started reading about it/hearing about it from the media.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 4:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Happymom, I think you are right. She was fed up that he did not grow up like she did. When you become a parent it is no longer time to play.

I think Kate misses Jon as a husband but not as a father for her kids.

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 5:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willsfan a private message Print Post    
Would Jon have to have renters insurance or would building management be responsible for loss / damage since it was supposed to have security, etc. ?

I know it's a crime but I doubt if the police will be able to prove 100% it's Hailey or anyone else unless there are cameras inside Jon's apartment. Since Hailey was moving she had every right to be seen coming and going from the building. Even proving fingerprints on knife may be tricky. Her lawyer would fight that I am sure.
At any rate it is a mess! Who would have thought that would happen.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 5:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Haley is mentally ill. Her parents would be wise to get her psychiatric counseling immediately. She "may" not have done this, but if she did, I wouldn't be surprised. She acts like a baby and if one doesn't cater to her whines, she goes off the deep end. She just isn't someone who has it all together.

Jimmer, I agree with you....rude is indeed rude.

Rissa
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03-19-2006

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 5:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Willsfan, unless that building was different from every one I ever managed... Jon would definitely be responsible for his own contents insurance. In fact most buildings demand proof of such as part of the terms of their lease. Even if there was a flood or fire that was not Jon's fault (using him as an example) or did not even originate in his unit... the owners would be responsible for the building only and Jon his own *stuff*. Not a chance they would replace items stolen or damaged in an incident like this but in an upper end building I would assume they enforce the proof of insurance clause and Jon should be covered.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 5:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Anything out of the ordinary, such as a Ming vase, would have to be covered under a separate rider on his policy which would be an extra premium over and above the cost of renter's insurance.

Rissa
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03-19-2006

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 5:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
ETA: Hailey had at least two trucks and multiple helpers. If she did this then I have no doubt there are witness' and it will be sorted shortly.

I don't think Hailey is mentally ill at all. I think too many people use that as a crutch for bad behavior. She is just a child who Jon should never have gotten involved with. If she did this then she should be punished, no excuse if she was frustrated and Jon had been ripping her off and stealing her rent money. Wrong is wrong and I won't give her a medical excuse for acting out with a tantrum. I also don't excuse Jon for again lashing out and name-calling in the media, that's how a child reacts. He did it with Kate and he is doing it now. Also, I didn't hear him mention anything personal that was destroyed. I hope all that stuff was still at the family home because then it goes from annoyance to heartbreaking.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 6:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
It was the Pennylvania attorney who said Jon owes him money.

The lawyer who wrote that rather ridiculously worded announcement is the New York attorney. Jon may well owe him but he also has signed with him and son and I'm sure they still are holding out for Jon to become a reality star cash cow for them..

Rude is rude but I don't think there is an absolute definition of "rude" that could possibly be the same for everyone and then there is CONTEXT.. and we didn't always see the context in which Kate and/or Jon said certain things to each other or to the kids so we have no idea what brought out the words/actions labelled as "rude" by some, not all, people.

But whether Kate was rude or not, has very little to do with Jon's current actions and words, IMO.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 7:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Oh I agree that Kate, Jon and Hailey are responsible for their own actions.

Grooch
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06-16-2006

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 5:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grooch a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Seamonkey, for explainung the lawyer situation.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Willsfan, it seems you may be right.

Jon Gosselin's Ex GF Questioned by Police

The NYPD has already questioned Jon Gosselin's ex girlfriend Hailey Glassman about the vandalization and burglary of Jon's Manhattan apartment -- but law enforcement sources say no charges have been filed yet.

Sources tell TMZ Glassman -- accompanied by her attorney -- was questioned last night. As we first reported, the note that was left behind was signed with Glassman's name -- but that doesn't mean she has anything to do with the incident.

Our sources also say Jon is called a "cheater" in the note -- which was stuck to Jon's bedroom dresser with a knife -- but we're told there's no reference in the note to the destruction of Jon's apartment.

And there's this: Jon's lawyer said the NYPD fingerprinted the scene -- but Hailey used to live in the apartment with Jon, so her prints are gonna to be all over the place.


Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
AND SO IT GOES:

Hailey Glassman's attorney defends his client in a statement to ET, following the news that Glassman's ex-boyfriend Jon Gosselin returned home to his Manhattan apartment on Saturday afternoon only to find it "wrecked."

Gosselin's former attorney, Mark Jay Heller, Esq., told ET that the reality star "was horrified, disheartened, and saddened to observe the devastation of his furniture, clothing and personal belongings, which were apparently slashed with a butcher knife by a very troubled and sick perpetrator." Heller also claims that "Jon's television, CD player, coffee maker, a Nintendo Wii game, dishes, pots and pans were burglarized from his apartment."

Glassman's attorney Anand Ahuja responds to the incident, telling ET, "To me, it appears to be a huge publicity stunt. It appears that somebody is trying to frame my client, Hailey Glassman, because she didn't take anything from that apartment that she was not entitled to take with her. I don't see any truth in what is circling around in the media against my client."

The statement continues, "Jon told Hailey to take whatever she wanted to take, and that he was not going to come back to the apartment because he was moving."

Glassman took to her Twitter handle on Friday, December 25, posting a message that read, "FYI, That apartment everyone calls 'Jon's Apartment' was MY APARTMENT as well. We split rent! He's been living off of my family and I." A few minutes later, she tweeted again, writing, "So get your facts right before you all assume. My family and I found out a week ago he's been pocketing our rent money and not paying the rent!"

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 11:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
"former attorney, Mark Jay Hellar"?

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Probably another nasty split in Jon's life. The man's a real life Terminator leaving carnage behind him.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
The more I read and think about this, the more I'm thinking Jon may be in on this. I'm not sure if Hailey is too or not, but I'm beginning to find Jon suspicious. Just think about it, he can't talk to the media and paps, or do interviews anymore due to the judge's order regarding the TLC case, which means he has to find a way to keep his name out there, especially if he plans to do more TV work later on; he can't let his personna disappear. So given he can't talk to the paps and has to keep himself out there, he starts shooting a gun, which that dies down quickly, not to mention being overshadowed by Tiger Woods' drama, and now he has a heinous crime supposedly committed against him.

This keeps his name in the media. His lawyer has a lengthy statement handy right away and can do the speaking for Jon since Jon's prevented legally from doing so. Also, this gives him opportunity to keep the drama going and his personna out there by making allegations and name calling, and filing charges which takes up a good amount of time and keeps his name out there for a while. So basically the strategy would be to keep doing things to keep his name out there for as long as possible, and use others around him (his camp, etc.) to speak for him since he can't. It also helps him gain some sympathy from the public.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 12:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Oh my! It's getting nasty, from TMZ:


Glassman Lawyer: Jon Gosselin Break-In a Publicity Stunt
By Suzanne Zuckerman and Michael Y. Park

Monday December 28, 2009 01:30 PM EST
Jon Gosselin and Hailey Glassman

Jon Gosselin, 32, says that his apartment was ransacked and his belongings vandalized over Christmas – and hints that all signs point to Glassman, 22, as the perpetrator. When he returned to his New York City pad on Dec. 26 after spending the holiday with his kids, he was "horrified ... to observe his furniture, clothing and personal belongings slashed by a very troubled and sick perpetrator," Gosselin's attorney Mark Jay Heller says.

What reportedly clued Gosselin into a possible link with Glassman, who split with the reality-show dad in recent weeks? A note that she'd allegedly written, pinned to his dresser with a butcher knife.

But, says Glassman's attorney, Anand Ahuja: "Somebody is trying to frame my client."

And who's an obvious suspect for that kind of crime? How about an attention-starved Gosselin? "I don't know anything about any note and I can't confirm it at this time," Glassman's other attorney, Stephanie Ovadia tells PEOPLE. "This appears to be a publicity stunt."

Glassman did take items from the apartment, on which she split the rent with Gosselin – but everything she took belonged to her, according to her lawyers.

Gosselin "told her the apartment would be padlocked because he had not been paying rent, and she should go there and take whatever she wanted," Ovadia says.

But Gosselin's camp is hellbent on justice. His lawyer, Heller, vows to "vigorously" pursue "felony charges."

Even so, Glassman’s reps aren't rattled.

"My client had nothing to do with this," Ahuja says. "As far as she is concerned, it's a hoax."

They have a poll up:

Do you think Gosselin's apartment being ransacked is a stunt?

Yes, Jon did it for attention69%
Yes, Hailey did it for attention21%
No, it was an unfortunate crime10%

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Wonder if it was a disgruntled "fan" who is on Team Kate and is mad that he cheated on Kate, but also hates Hailey.....

Or maybe Hailey was mad he spent Christmas with Kate and the Kidlets?

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 12:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I read an interesting theory that Hailey probably did write a note and left it there, and when Jon came to the apartment, he might have trashed the apartment himself which makes Hailey look guilty. Not saying it's true, but it is an interesting theory. I think I read in one of the articles that Jon wasn't supposed to return to the apartment so why come back if he claimed he wasn't going to. But then again, why would Hailey leave a note if Jon wasn't supposed to come back to the apartment, and why would Jon not come back if he had items in it that he wanted. The whole thing is odd to me.

Rissa
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03-19-2006

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
RFLOL Ahnicka. I had just tried to post that very theory but as usual I ended up with a big ramble that I just deleted. Glad I did, you said it better. I don't think there is any chance it was anyone other then Jon and/or Hailey and I think the truth is somewhere in between their two tales. Jon comes home and is surprised that Hailey actually did carry through on her threat to leave and that she took some of his stuff (which she says he told her she could have). To boot he finds an angry letter filled with accusations and he flips out and worsens an apt that was probably already left messed up by Hailey. The only thing that doesn't make sense with that theory is the Ming Vase. If Hailey and Jon both knew what value it has (if accurate) would either one of them break it? Makes me think it was an accident, perhaps Jon raging when he sees apt which brings me back to your theory.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Ahhh mann Rissa, I wish you wouldn't have deleted it! I would've liked to have read it. LOL

The breaking of the Ming Vase could have been an accident like you stated, or maybe that's where Seamonkey's theory comes in, that perhaps it's insured (in excess of Renter's insurance) and was broken on purpose so he can get insurance money for it; that is if it was authentic.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Whoops, I made a mistake. I didn't know where I was, not unusual. The article I brought over wasn't from TMZ, it was from People.

Just want to give credit to the right gossip site.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, December 28, 2009 - 2:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Wonder if it was a disgruntled "fan" who is on Team Kate and is mad that he cheated on Kate, but also hates Hailey.....

"Team Kate" fans don't need to do a single thing to make Jon look like an ass, he's shown himself to be an expert ass all by himself.