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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 12:31 pm
Maybe Kate wants attention and as they say any attention is better than none. She strikes me as someone who likes to be in front of the camera, or doing speaking engagements. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't egg on the initial media interest and when they didn't show her in the light she expected or wanted then the media is bad. From everything I've seen, Kate gets the worse slant in the media even though Jon is the one who went on with his love/sex life before the divorce papers were filed. All the comedians late night and others seem to make Kate look like a very nasty wife. At the end of the day when the kids are old enough to google OMG what they will hear and see of their mother, wow. Jon really gets off pretty easy by the media. I'm sorta in Camp-Jon because I can't see how any man could be happily married to Kate but give me a break both could be equally skewered by the media, Jon was let off easily.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 12:40 pm
I saw on Headline news, on their showbiz hour show, that 75% of the people "polled" were team Jon and 25% were team Kate. So I'm not sure if the media is influencing the people, or the media is just reporting in line with what the masses are already feeling about them.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 1:01 pm
It would be hard to be on a team with Kate, really, it's all about her she's not team worthy ;). Yup, most people in my real life even those who watched just a few episodes of JK+8 are pro Jon, even with the cheating and girlfriend. They liken Kate to having shrew-like qualities, not an attractive quality. No one man or woman should be stuck with a shrew, even if they gave birth to sextuplettes. So, maybe the media IS just picking up on the general consensus, of who could really blame Jon for getting some lovin outside of Kate.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 1:05 pm
LOL! Same here, Brenda. Just wait till you have to say: Hand over the car keys(for whatever reason). Cricket said: ...a couple of sites I've read say Kate felt society owed them because the process of fertility treatment is not so perfect to know how many babies there will be.... I never read those before. I don't know if you think the sites you read from are trustworthy, but I don't believe Kate will say that. Maybe it's from that lady with the octuplets? I dint see last night's show but I caught the 90 minutes of American Chopper. Was it pretty much the same but in 30 minutes?
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 1:10 pm
I have read a snippet where Kate said she thought society owed them. It was right at the time the babies were born. Now where the quote originated I don't know, but I do recall reading that.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 1:12 pm
Chy, actually that's accurate but to be fair is from quite a long time ago. Those comments of Kate's were made in the first 1-2 yrs after the six were born and Kate was battling for in-home full-time nurses on the public dime. Mgmriver... ya, that WOULD be a headline. LOL
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 1:30 pm
Yes it's been widely discussed her saying society owed her/them. But I believe she's moved on from that statement to reality TV where the living is good. Can't blame her for that. If I had the conspiracy theory type of mind I'd almost think she had this notoriety all planned out except she probably never thought she'd be without her lapdog-yes ma'am husband. She's probably on all men's list of women to steer clear of, not only because of the amount of kids she has but her attitude. I don't think she'll be asked to too many proms in the future.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 1:40 pm
I'm sure Kate and Jon wish the rag mags would just go away and leave them alone. Kate seems quite surprised by all the paparazzi around them all of a sudden. She was pointing them out at the children's birthday party. I couldn't believe the new TV Guide was about them and their marriage troubles. Come on. I agree with Brenda..enough already. Also, the US magazine showed it was Maddy they were referring to. No surprise there. She's upset on a daily basis. However, I don't believe those words were even in the article...just another rouse because they are what's selling right now.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 1:51 pm
I guess the quote they can live by is be careful of what you wish for. They wanted the TV show for the money and perks and were willing to expose their children; all for the sake of money and now they have no marriage and the children have no mommy and daddy that love each other.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 1:51 pm
Okay, I do remember something like that now. But I thought that was just her way of trying to keep the nurse county or state provided them? Her lawyer or whoever drew up the plan told her to say that probably. After they learned about the coming of their sextuplets, Jon was the one bragging to friends that he's making web sites, stirring up interests ,... so that the babies won't cost them so much. (I believe in this report, I've even been to the site. But mostly I believe Jon bragged about it because he was later fired from his job for using up time he supposed to be working surfing for freebies.) (And that report I'd read many years ago from his old boss who was also his parents' friend. Not a recent creepy crawlies but it's been recycled, I see.) I've also read a report from a witness at one of those church invites where Kate spoke. She didn't think Kate look like she enjoyed it or was very comfortable in front of cameras. I still don't think Kate went out of her way to look for attentions. But out of the two parents, Kate was more at ease at "faking it" I sense. Note when Jon said, I can't write books like Kate could, so I get to stay home with the kids.(PP) We also know that, Kate has tried to get Jon to go with some of the speaking engagements even taken the whole family before.(CA & NC I believe??) The tv viewers also have notice the way Jon misspoke or use wrong words. This is my observation, not a put down to Jon. Remember I am also using English as a second language. (Don't know if Jon is, just me.) Just because Kate is more comfortable speaking in the public than Jon could ever be, is no proof that Kate likes to be in front or likes both good and bad attentions. I'm not on either of their team. I won't want to live with Kate or Jon. I won't pay a ticket to go to Kate's event in church near by. I call Jon a cheater even though I didn't see the actual deeds. I'm on the kids team, including Mady. They really, really did not asked to be born into this situation! BTW, I still have doubts if Kate's bro & sis in law are speaking the truth. (That kids cried about the cameras or Jon cried about the marriage is over to them.) Like Jon said, people would say anything you want to hear if you dangle 20G in front of them. I think we have since learned that, that couple got 30G out of the website, not counting all the legit TV appearances!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 1:52 pm
But they are getting that initial wish of lots of $$$!
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 2:04 pm
I never read those before. I don't know if you think the sites you read from are trustworthy, but I don't believe Kate will say that. I'm the one who originally talked about what Kate said in here. I didn't post a link or copy/paste the article because it was an article in archives that had to be paid for in order to read. As far as if the source was trustworthy, it was originally from the Associated Press. Now it's being said again in US magazine, which I personally don't find trustworthy, but as far as I know AP is pretty trustworthy. I will post the quote now, with the link from US Magazine, but originally it was an AP article in the newspaper. Baby nurse Angela Krall, who watched the sextuplets as infants for more than a year, tells Us that the short-fused Kate fired 40 nurses and nurse's aides in the three months before she was hired. A 2005 Associated Press story reported that a pre-TV Gosselin had petitioned the state to extend payments for Krall, whose fees were first paid by Medicaid (Jon was unemployed; Medicaid provides limited assistance to premature babies). "Kate Gosselin said she feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births," the AP reported. The original article went on to say something about whomever reviewed the case stated that a nurse was not needed, just somebody to help Mommy and Daddy, and Medicaid was authorizing Home Health Aids. Just not Registered Nurses. Did Jon & Kate need help? I'm sure they did. Did they need the help of an RN? I have no idea. [Even if they did the reasoning Kate gave for it was unreal to me.] The only thing I had a problem with is her stating that SOCIETY owed HER because she used fertility drugs. Society didn't put a gun to her head and force her to take fertility treatments the first time OR the second time. To me, it's just a start in the long line of entitlement the Gosselins seem to portray. www.usmagazine.com...kate-gosselin-fired-40-staffers-in-3-months AGAIN I wish to state that the above link is to the tabloid to US Magazine, but the ORIGINAL article was posted by the Associated Press in Newspapers. The only way to get the original article now is to pay for it, last time I checked.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 2:10 pm
A snip from their local newspaper. Some people criticize them for taking advantage of the children. Others defend them for providing for the children's needs. Some find them fascinating and fun to watch. And some say they couldn't care less about them. But most of us have a sense of curiosity or nosiness. And many want to know if the rumors about their marital problems are true and how all the attention is impacting those eight children. In reality, some say, it's none of our business. But Kate and Jon have made it our business, in reality. We're OK with giving them privacy, if that's what they truly want. But judging from the self-induced exposure of the television show and their books, the talk shows, the tabloids and all the stories circulating about them, that doesn't seem to be what they want. Unfortunately, what often gets lost in these scenarios is what is in the best interest of the children. Is all this taking place to help the children or because of the children? That has been the focus of much of the debate about this family. And the rumors and stories can't be good for them. We may never know the real story about this Berks County family, because too often there is no reality in reality shows. The key word is show, not reality. http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=140681
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 2:16 pm
I guess I am in a minority, but I don't think Kate is an evil, attention mongering monster deserving of all things bad. I am also not one to take everything in the press as gospel. I have first hand experience with how the media can misconstrue things.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 2:31 pm
I don't consider kate an evil, attention mongering monster deserving of all things bad. But I DO believe she stated that society owed her back then, and I think by having the yearly garage sales and donating it to charity she is trying to pay it back. BUT the attitude society owed her because she used fertility drugs is just plain WRONG. Just my opinion. As far as the press and it's reliability, I don't think there was any reason to misconstrue anything back then in regards to her "society owes me" comment. Just my opinion.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 3:09 pm
All we know is what was written in one report. I admit on it's on, it's a damning statement, but we do not know the context in which the statement was made, what was asked of her and what else she had to say. I just don't take things like that on face value. I have never heard her imply on her show once (even in the early documenataries) that she was owed anything.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 3:14 pm
The sooner J & K get divorced and these people are enabled to move on with their lives the better! It actually is possible to provide stable, happy lives for children of divorce! It does require effort on the part of the parents, but it CAN be done! I truly believe that happier parents lead to happier kids -and that those happier parents are more willing to make things work smoothly in the matters they need to cooperate in. I would absolutely be for joint custody with the kids remaining in the house and the parents alternating in residency. Surely in that big house, there is a guest room that could become a second master? I truly want what is best for the kids with the immediately elimination of stress and strife and material to fuel the media and, most importantly, CLOSURE so that the kids can understand how their lives are going to change and settle into the new situation. Kids are pretty darn adaptable IF they know what is happening and what they can expect on a daily basis!
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 3:24 pm
If it does come down to a divorce I don't see Jon hanging around much.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 4:04 pm
The sooner J&K get off everyone's TV every week, the better it will be for the whole family. Divorce or not.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 4:05 pm
Maddy said you are mean mom, or something like that on a video tape. and ITA, most kids say that about a million times!
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Lori32
Member
07-04-2008
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 4:30 pm
Yeah,I don't see Kate as a Monster either.I think she is just very organized and yes she is overbearing,there is no doubt about that.But that would be like calling me White trash because my laundry isn't always done on time and our yard isn't as well manicured as some others in the subdivision.I think I might very well be bald if I were in her shoes,because especially while watching the older episodes,I would pull my hair out if I was under that kind of stress and had jon walking around whining about how he's a "sheep" and he just "meanders around here" Maybe if he had Bucked up and ACTED like a man early on,Kate may not have been forced to be the Dominant one.Say what you want,Jon screwed up and now since she has been seen as a shrew of course everyone is going to assume "She asked for it" WHEW..Been holding that back awhile. On another note,After watching several older episodes,has anyone else noticed when J&K are bickering,they have edited in some sad,dramatic theme music that was not there before? I mean c'mon..that is going a bit far is it not? We all know it's a sad situation,no need to keep reminding us.Just Sayin'
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Glenrie
Member
03-24-2006
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 4:51 pm
YEA Lori!!
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 6:46 pm
Serate, you were probably busy typing. But in my 1:51 post, second above your 2:04 post, I already recalled that situation. I now even remember seeing the petition some where on line. It's public knowledge. Yes, that was their "reason" stated on the petition. But again, that could have been the strategy of the person who composed the petition. Or, it could have been Jon's idea, Kate used to be the spokes person of the two. Of course it may very well be Kate's own idea, but we all see how she's evolved. How about the other parts in my post? Did you know Jon was the one bragged to their friends how his website will bring in enough to help raise the family? If Kate were the kind who wishes to depend on the society, she wouldn't have been so nervous to make ends meet in the beginning. -- I often see people with food stamps buying huge shrimps, lobster, T-bones or lamb roast in the beginning of the month. I asked one such friend once why the behavior? He said something like, who knows if I'm alive by the end of the month? I could go eat at my folks(and friends like myself!) later in the month. But he won't get a job since the one time he had a Grocery Store $7.50/hr job for a long stretch, he ended up losing his medical insurance help and could not pay tax that year(very low but he still didn't have it.). His meds are expensive. Diabetic plus adult ADD and/or something like that. He will just let the society pay for his meds. (I suspect he takes half the meds and save the other half, since he works here and there every now and then and complains about the meds.) Sorry to be so terribly OT, but I cite the story to explain why I don't believe Kate is one of those. Again, I still would not want Kate as a friend. OCD and I do not mix!~ :-)
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Lori32
Member
07-04-2008
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 6:56 pm
Chy,excellent post. For the life of me I can't understand how Overbearing and Dominant trumps Infidelity these days? Yeah,Yeah I know I will catch flack for that,but I just have never been able to "make excuses" for any form of cheating.Just Sayin'
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 6:58 pm
Serate, you were probably busy typing. *snip* How about the other parts in my post? Did you know Jon was the one bragged to their friends how his website will bring in enough to help raise the family? Yes I did. And I'm feeling that you might think that I only think Kate feels entitled? If not, I'm sorry that I got that feeling. But if so, that's not so, as I said in my post To me, it's just a start in the long line of entitlement the Gosselins seem to portray.
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