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Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I thought everyone's main objective was to get the kids off TV. Well, that's done. Now Kate can't make a living to support them??

Same here, I thought the problem some viewers had were the kids being on TV. Well if the children are off TV then what's the problem.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 1:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Kate is on a spending spree? When did this happen? I haven't seen any pics or read anything about this binge spending. The only spending she is doing is buying food, clothes, housing for 8 kids. That's a lot all by itself.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Yeah, I was wondering about the need to "reign in her spending", too. What's that about? I must have missed it.

(Unless, of course, we're talking about the usual mani/pedi/hair stuff) ;)

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Yes, the clothes, the hair, the nails, the tanning, the $200 bathing suits in several different colors. But if she works her contract right, those will all be covered by the network as business expenses! Maybe she can even work in a few free trips to the beach, for filming of course. LOL.

So,yes, poor choice of words as she hasn't been "spending" for much, just taking the freebies! Remember, they couldn't even go to NYC when TCL was no longer picking up the tab! What I meant was reign in her lifestyle. She'll probably be making less money, getting fewer family sized freebies. She may have to adjust her lifestyle accordingly, like so many of us have in these hard economic times.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
And for Jon. Well, I'm not sure how he expects to maintain his lifestyle at all! I see him filing for bankruptcy a year down the road.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 2:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
So, do we think Jon got to wine and dine Hailey in Europe for free? Do we think the cars he bought himself and Hailey were free? How about the trip to Hawaii? DC? LA? How about the bar tabs?


Yeah. I'm not so sure Kate is the one who needs to reign things in.
Whether they're free...or not.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I never said Jon didn't need to reign in! I'm guessing all of this gallyvanting around has wracked up quite a huge bit of debt, hence the prediction of a bankruptcy filing in his future. He's out of control for sure.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 4:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
I think Kate understands that at this point in time, it's up to her to provide the financial support for the kids, and she's doing what she needs to do to take care of them. People are free to choose to watch her or not.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 5:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I'd be more concerned about the constant exposure this whole family will be getting with Kate doing a show (even sans kids) than the actual time away from her kids. Just when it looked like the media frenzy might be slowing down (with Tiger and all), the media gets another (constant at least for as long as the show may last) bone thrown at them.

Florin
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08-27-2006

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 5:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Florin a private message Print Post    
What I don't understand is why anyone would get upset about the possibility that Kate will have a job in television. So what there are lots of mom's that work in television. For example Elisabeth Hasselbeck on the View. She now has 3 kids and I don't see anyone saying she needs to stay home and take care of her kids and avoid the media. And look at Angelina Jolie how many kids has she adopted and I don't see anyone telling her to quit making movies, avoid the media and stay home with the kids. At least Kate is trying to move forward and earn a living. Heck if I had a chance to get into television and work I would jump on that wagon as fast as I could.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 6:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Good point. And don't forget Kelly Ripa too, she has a few kids, is on television, and is quite popular.

I was thinking the same thing. Aren't there other shows with people who have alot of kids? I don't watch them, but I see it mentioned here sometimes, Duggars or something...should they go off tv too since they're on tv, not to mention they're on with their kids right? Or is that just reserved for Kate even though it's sans kids now. I'm just guessing because I don't watch the show. Is there a problem with them too or is it that the desire is for Kate not to succeed?

I thought only Jon might possibly not want her to succeed.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 6:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
And Katie Couric, who by all accounts spent very little time with her children as they were growing up.

And ALL of the above mentioned women have paraded their children on television in one way or another.

Kate will be fine.

Jon has things to worry about.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 6:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
The difference is (between Kate and the other moms Florin, Ahnicka and others mention) is the HUGE PRESS that the Gosselin family is getting. It is so totally different than a Kelly Ripa or a Katie Couric. Those moms (or dads) are not getting hit and judged like Kate and Jon are. Just to put yourself out there for the media and people who read magazines, watch TV, surf the net, etc. to judge and rag on you has got to be nothing less than harmful to the kids.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
Still nobody answered my question, you guys are all sooooooooo concerned with poor little Kate, what do you guys think she'd be doing if TLC had NEVER come along? I can't imagine anyone watching that woman without the kids, she has no personality and is a miserable woman. I guess since the kids are in school all day it's okay for her to be away from all EIGHT of them. *I guess some of you don't think the kids near their mom since she is out there doing whatever she has to, too pimp herself out)I guess it's okay because Kate is doing it but if Jon was away from the kids (on his time) trying to make money to "support" them there would be an uproar on him. Interesting responses on how people see things.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 7:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
It's very difficult to say where this family would be if TLC had not come along. No one knows. Maybe Kate would have had to work nights, while Jon worked days to avoid major child care costs. The stress of this could have caused a divorce much earlier. Maybe Kate would be raising the kids alone on a nurse's salary. Maybe she would have had to move because she couldn't keep the house. Maybe Jon would be working two jobs to pay child support and never have time to see the kids.

That's a lot of maybes. It's hard to play "what if" because no one knows how it would be different.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 7:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Angel...I think she'd probably be relying on Jon to be a faithful and prosperous husband, and together they would each hold jobs and pay for the raising of their eight beautiful children.

And if they were in the same position they are in now, what with Jon leaving and cavorting and such, I imagine some of our tax money would be going her way.

I don't see Kate as "poor little Kate". I think she's made lots of mistakes, and that she even realizes those mistakes.

The difference I see between the two of them is that Kate would make sure that she could provide the best for her children that she could, whatever that best is.

Whereas Jon seems content letting others worry about that.
Jon currently is sometimes away from the kids on his time (Hawaii vacay) but not really doing too much on the making-money part.


When we see them on TV, if it's an interview-type situation, well, that's Kate. If it's an entertainment paparazzi show, well, that's Jon. (Hello, TMZ. Ummm, Jon knows those paps' names now. Have you seen any of Jon's behaviors with the paps on TMZ? If so, surely you can see how he courts them. And how foolish they think he is.)

Kate is not chasing those spotlights. Jon is.

For me...it's really that simple. Which one of the parent's ACTIONS show that they are working toward the betterment of their children?

For me...that isn't Jon.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 7:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
What Kate would be doing is working insane numbers of hours to pay for raising these kids. She would be working 12 hour shifts trying to make ends meet. She would be doing exactly what she's doing now...trying to make the best living she can make to support her family.

Kate can try to make hundreds of thousands of dollars hosting a TV show or she can go back to nursing and try to make a living. Either way, she's going to be away from her kids. Why in the heck wouldn't you try to do the thing you've come to enjoy, the thing that may very well make you more money, be more flexible and allow you to spend more time with your kids??

It's not a "poor Kate" situation, it's the FACT that people earn a living in a variety of ways. If Kate can earn a living in this manner, more power to her!

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 7:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I don't begrudge anyone working but I personally wouldn't watch a show with Kate minus the kids. For me I liked seeing the family dynamics, flawed as it may have been. Just like I wouldn't watch anything with Jon minus the kids.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 7:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
It's really hard to say what would have become of Jon and Kate if they hadn't cashed in at TLC. I imagine it would have been like the Dilly's, only with a lot less harmony. If I recall correctly he worked M-F and she worked the weekends. I can see Kate and Jon doing something similar to that. They would have gotten by the same way other larger families do.

I say good for KAte if she can continue to work in show business -- I think it's really obvious she enjoys it. I don't begrudge any mother making a living and working away from her kids. However, I don't find Kate particularly likable or interesting, so I wouldn't watch any show that had her but not the kids (same with Jon). It was the family dynamic that was interesting, and the kids and even Jon were likable (in the past).

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 8:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Kate has been chasing freebies and the spotlight since the day the doctor told her she was having sextuplets. It's her goal and she didn't care who she stepped on to get there. Jon went along because he was told to. Kate gave him a new mindset... they were owed by society.

Kate then decides she's done with Jon. She's making herself over..going to have her name on things and she no longer needs Jon. However, Jon isn't allowed to dare to want to still be on TV. People are in an uproar at Jon's ungratefulness at TLC not wanting him to go elsewhere to find work. How dare he. However, are we serious here that Kate should be able to work in TV to support her children? Only Kate and not Jon?

Isn't this a double standard?

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 8:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Cricket...if Jon were seriously pursuing a job in the public eye, I would have no problem whatsoever with that.

However, he seems to be pursuing the attention of the paps, not any sort of legitimate undertaking.

It would be a double standard if Kate was also out walking the streets in hopes of a camera interview for the noon news.
She is, instead, looking for a position by using her public persona while there is interest in her.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 9:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I don't care if Jon wants to go out and get a job in the media. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't, if he is able to do so.

However, Jon made a big stink about how he no longer wanted to be in the public eye. In fact, Kate was accused of FORCING him to keep doing the show when he just wanted to live a private life. All evidence is that his moaning and whining about that was a bunch of hooey. I will hold him accountable for that bout of hypocrisy.

I was never in the crowd that believed that the show was ruining the kids' lives. I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be doing whatever they want to support the family and have careers. But one of them has been disingenuous about his desires while the other one has been criticized for being open about wanting to continue on TV. I'll take the one who lives up to her contract and makes no bones about wanting to continue in the entertainment business over the one who claims that he's over it while actively seeking attention from the paparrazzi.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 9:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
What a great world we live in that we can have our own likes and dislikes. Some of us like Kate and some don't. That's what the channel selector is for. If you don't like her, don't watch.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 9:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
I can't imagine why either of these parents has to "earn" a living to support the kids! When the series money was pouring in, they got TONS of freebies. So surely they had plenty of money to invest - how COULD they have spent it all? The market took a huge hit, but it is recovering - as it always does! - three to four million dollars invested should provide plenty of income for the family since the house is paid for and their college educations are covered.

If HUGE investments weren't made, then an advocate for the kids should be looking into where the money went! IMO, of course!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 10:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I agree TNT. And Kate surely could do whatever she wants to. BUT (IMO) if she is truly putting her kids' needs first, she should really stay the heck out of any spotlight. For a good long time. But that would mean she would have to forgo the opportunity to make more cash.