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Scoutmom
Member
01-19-2006
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:46 am
I saw a commercial for the new season last - where Kate has asked the kids what they wanted to do and they wanted to camp. So Kate was seen putting up a tent. Have to admire her for trying to do those things that we all know she hates. Even though she will freak at the bugs in the tent she is doing what she needs to do for her kids - and even was laughing at herself. I have to give her big points for that - it's a hard thing for her to be "out of her element".
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 10:20 am
It is all about making good choices. As my nurse in the hospital recently said.. "just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should" (she was referring to Octomom in that case). Jon seems to be dating in ways that are set up to hurt Kate and hurt the kids (and I suspect in the long run, himself, but maybe he'll learn about jumping too fast.. I mean he and Kate didn't move this fast and yet many think they had children too soon, but Hailey is pretty recent (unless he was first with her, then with the teacher, then back with Hailey) and "dating" usually starts with oh.. dinner, a movie, etc. not trips to Cannes, shopping at Gucci, letting gazillions of pictures be taken of you looking all heavy lidded, wreathed in smoke. And yeah, his choice, but IMO questionable actions, choices, "look" for a supposedly devoted dad who was horrified that his kids might someday google him.. well he's feeding that database the kids will be accessing.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 10:20 am
Rissa, LOL! exactly! OG, not sure what to say about that! Hmmmm Dr. Laura...well, I like that she is pro kids. I have been a regular listener at times over the years when I am in the car and nothing else is on and I want to listen to talk radio. There's a lot about her I don't like. I think she advocates not dating at all until the kids are 18. I don't agree with that. (I am more a fan of Dr. Joy Brown. But really I am a fan of kids and kids of divorce have no choice in the matter and I think sometimes divorce is necessary but it is imperative that the adults behave like responsible adults ESPECIALLY in the stressful and traumatic situation of divorce and we have seen Jon not behaving like a responsible adult with the best interest of his kids in mind, imo. Dating before you are officially separated, dating before the divorce is final is not being responsible when there are kids involved, imo.) (Even in the best divorces where the parents are responsible and protect the kids as much as they can and are kind to each other, the kids still want their parents together and worry about how this will affect them. Studies show that usually divorce is almost as traumatic to kids as the death of a parent.) I don't think it is in the kids' best interests or Jon's or Kate's or anyone they are dating (or in Kate's case, if she were to decide to date soon) to be dating this soon even if they have been separated as little as since 2008. That wasn't that long ago. It is way too soon. And they weren't officially separated until a few weeks ago. And they are not divorced. It is especially not in the best interest of the kids. As for the adults, I don't think it's in their best interests, but they are adults and can suffer the natural consequences of that. But the kids just get the negative consequences and have no control over the situation. I think they, for the sake of their kids, should have worked much longer and harder at staying together. But it takes two. If one just wouldn't do it, or neither would do it, ... well... I don't think Jon or Kate should put their lives on hold at all or live in limbo. But I don't think they should be dating anyone this soon or for awhile. Since they have decided to divorce, I think it would be good for the kids to see them moving on and that all is ok and life is still normal and ok for the kids. I think it'd be great if the kids did see them moving on in a positive way. I don't think moving on by dating at this point in time is good for anyone especially the kids. I actually don't feel hostile towards Jon or his dating. I have felt really calm while posting about this. I am just giving my opinions. I feel calm, but strongly feel it is too soon for him to be dating and strongly feel that it is actually detrimental to the kids. I am actually quite open minded about most things. But dating this soon when there are kids involved is not one of them. Dating before you are officially separated is not one of them. Dating when it has only been 3 weeks since you filed for divorce and had only been separated a short time and there are kids involved is not something I am open minded about. But I am calm, not feeling hostile and generally opened minded about most other things. I appreciate this board and the opportunity to be able to post my thoughts. Re: Kate camping, I am happy to hear that and look forward to that episode! She really loved the backyard camping they did in a past season. I think Kate doing something like that .... something she is not so inclined to do....is a good way of moving on. eta, maybe they were officially separated before they filed div. papers. I was just reading my post. I still think it is too soon to be dating.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 10:23 am
Dr. Laura isn't someone that I would take advice from, she's scary. Once the show airs again we'll continue see the edit that TLC thinks will keep us watching. It'll be interesting to see how they portray them this time around. I'm looking forward to seeing the kids with Jon again their faces just light up around him. IMO, parents not only have a right to date but it's probably a good idea to have a life that isn't 100% about your kids, that's never healthy. In the end I think that the stress dealing with the kids and the show was a major factor why the marriage fell apart. When the kids get older they'll see what the stress did to mom and dad and that is very sad.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 10:35 am
Just a thought about the "when was it over" and moving on parts.. No matter if Jon really wasn't around except for filming, I think, for the kids, it didn't start until they were recently told about the divorce and so for them it IS new (even though some of them or one of them was said to be not surprised.. she might say that just to defend her feelings) As for Dr Laura.. she scares me too. I used to hear her while driving until I realized my blood pressure wasn't being helped. Such an expert on families but her own mother had to be found dead (and dead for awhile) and Dr Laura had no idea. But of course she can be right about who should come first. The kids.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 10:36 am
I agree that Dr Laura is scary: she doesn't even think people of different faiths should marry. I think it's too soon to be dating, and especially dating publicly. It seems to me that if you are going to date, you do so quietly and with the least possible amount of fanfare. In addition to looking bad, it is sure to doom any possibility of a relationship....assuming, of course, that's what Jon wants (which may be a bad assumption)
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 11:38 am
I am not a Dr. Laura fan. I find it frightening how she will give people extreme life changing advice based on a two-minute radio call. I also think she takes extreme positions. Relating that to J & K, I don't think Dr. Laura's idea that parents should put their lives on hold and sacrifice for their kids is very healthy for anyone involved. The kids are a part of their parent's lives as much as the parents are a part of their kid's lives. Putting life on hold and sacrificing may only lead to regrets and bad feelings later in life. So I am quite comfortable with the idea of Jon not devoting 100% of his life to his children and I certainly expect that he will see other women (or remarry) during the next few years while his children are growing up. However, I do think he could show a little more discretion and restraint.
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 11:52 am
Discretion is a must. I realize hes in the public eye and is followed relentlessly by the paps but he sure doesn't seem to be going out of his way to sheild himself.....even if just for for his kids sake. They WILL know all about this, even if they are too young to know it now. I see it as being very selfish... his needs first, not his kids. just my opinion
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 1:21 pm
I sure don't think any parent would have to devote 100% of life to kids, but I'd expect 100% committment and 100% keeping their feelings in mind before you go out in public pounding shots with party girls.. or boys. And I think a period of life on hold probably wouldn't kill anyone.. a time of introspection.. like what would I do differently next time? or maybe learning to live an adult life without having someone glued to your side, isn't a bad thing. But anyway, not sure anyone suggested that 100% of either parent's time should be devoted to the kids phsically.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 2:43 pm
They let the genie out of the bottle once they made their family public. It'll be a long time before they are left alone from the paps. It's a harsh reality for the kids to know that dad has girlfriends but that is the bed they made for the kids. They will know everything seedy aspect of their parents lives, maybe not today but as soon as they each have their own newest laptop and start to google. Doesn't mean because Jon and Kate have little or no privacy they shouldn't date as much and as many as they like. That is cruel to be relegated to being without someone to cuddle and um share time with. The kids have not really led a normal life and this is just another part of their lives that is not "the norm". That was a choice their parents made for them very early on. They take the perks without a peep and unfortunately they need to take the lack of privacy for themselves and their kids too. Still doesn't mean Jon is wrong for dating the chicks he's attracted to or the kids knowing through the media. It's what they signed up for. They should have quit last season when Jon pleaded to stop the show. But Kate wanted the perks and pay that came with selling the family to TLC. I'm anxious to see the twins when the show starts up again. Wonder what their demeanor will be like. They are old enough to know what kinda media frenzy their parents have caused by ending the family as the kids knew it.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 2:58 pm
They should have quit last season when Jon pleaded to stop the show. But Kate wanted the perks and pay that came with selling the family to TLC. I agree that they should have ended the show (actually I think they should have walked after season 2) but the part about Kate I have issue with. Not because both her and Jon didn't sell their souls for the cash/fame or because I want to defend her but because the timing irks me. When did they film that last episode? Where they talk about having different views for the future? Seems to me that they filmed that AFTER Jon started another relationship and AFTER Kate/Jon had apparently separated. I was so in sympathy with Jon at the time that aired but now it seems he may just have been worried about his affair becoming public and then yes just weeks later it was. If that is so and Kate knew about the affair then that would certainly explain her 'tone' while saying that she was happy with the way things are. We have been spun so many tales that we will probably never know the real story.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 3:06 pm
We have been spun so many tales that we will probably never know the real story. And yet so many people think they do.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 12:08 pm
JUST TOSSING THIS INTO THE MIX TO MAKE OF IT WHAT YOU WILL Hailey Glassman has been photographed snuggled up to recently separated Jon Gosselin, and now the 22-year-old is gushing over the reality star in a new interview. "He was so strong," Hailey tells People magazine of Jon's break up with wife Kate. "I admired him." Hailey and Jon became closer when he stayed at her parents' house in New York City after his separation. "If you had told me a few months ago, I wouldn't have believed you," she says of her relationship with the "Jon & Kate Plus 8" dad. She says Jon has become part of her family. "They think things happen for a reason," she says of her family's acceptance of her and Jon. "The most important thing is if someone fits in with my family ... This is perfect. It just fits." Hailey says of her time spent with Jon, "We're always laughing and joking. … We watch movies, play pool and ping pong. We laugh a lot because I beat him at everything." As for what Jon, 32, likes most about Hailey, she tells People, "I'm a huge believer in not controlling someone. … I'll give my opinion but tell him to do what he wants to do. He said, 'I'm just not used to having an option.' I told him life is about options."
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Wargod
Moderator
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 12:18 pm
Speaking as someone who's never watched the show, doesn't have a right/wrong side, and only know what I read here I think it's disgusting his girlfriend is taking shots at his wife in an interview she's only giving because she's dating him.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 12:34 pm
Yeah, that's pretty low.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 12:49 pm
a little bit more of the interview.... Hailey Glassman is head-over-heels for newly single Jon Gosselin — and his soon-to-be-ex-wife, Kate, is furious! Glassman, 22, details her relationship with the "Jon & Kate Plus 8" star to People magazine, including how she can't believe her luck in dating the 32-year-old octodad. The New York native denies rumors of an engagement but dishes about her and Jon's relationship, saying they watch movies, play pool and cook dinner together at the reality star's new Manhattan digs. All of which leaves Kate fuming on the sidelines, of course. Star magazine reports of when Kate first saw pictures of Jon and his new gal pal together, she screamed, "You make me sick!" "Kate has no respect for her," a TLC network insider said. "And that's putting it mildly." And it seems Glassman is not a fan of Kate's either. Jon's new girlfriend has reportedly been after Gosselin for three years, since her plastic surgeon father performed Kate's tummy tuck in 2006. "She feels that no one deserves what Jon had to put up with, being married to Kate. In fact, she can't wait to confront Kate and tell her, ‘Jon never loved you!' That's how much animosity there is," said a friend of Glassman. In the meantime Glassman is just happy — and surprised — to be with Gosselin. "If you had told me a few months ago, I wouldn't have believed you," she gushed. Glassman explains that Jon has been a longtime family friend, but she began to see the father of eight in a different light in May, when he was recovering from his split with Kate at her parents' place in New York City. "He was so strong," Glassman said. "I admired him." Jon soon rented his own upper West Side pad, where Glassman said they spend a lot of time laughing and cooking. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/07/22/2009-07-22_hailey_glassman_dishes_on_boyfriend_jon_gosselin.html#ixzz0M1GVbULl
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 12:53 pm
It becomes more and more obvious to me that Jon...and his girlfriend...have little to no respect for the future of Jon's eight children.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 12:56 pm
"We laugh a lot because I beat him at everything." Why is it funny that she always beats him? Seems like a strange comment to make. When the honeymoon is over, he'll start getting pissed at losing. "He said, 'I'm just not used to having an option." So while he was growing up, while he was a "stud muffin" back in high school, while he was backpacking across Europe...someone had to tell him what to do? He always had options, he weenied out, so I have no respect for him at all.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 12:57 pm
All those "bad" quotes aren't from Glassman. If you look they all say "said a friend of Glassman" or "TLC network insider said"...The only one's supposedly straight from her mouth are just about how great Jon is.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 12:58 pm
yeah if Kate had said that, it would be just another example of how horrible she is....
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 1:04 pm
LOL Naja, which insider sources are we ok to believe? only the ones that are against kate? 
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 1:07 pm
Whether you believe insider sources or not, it wasn't Glassman that they were quoting in that article.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 1:08 pm
wow..the tides really are turning against jon. this site keeps referring to him as the 'octodad playboy' LOL Jon Gosselin is turning into a real playboy. Although the octodad spent Saturday night painting the town red with Star scribe Kate Major, as we reported on Monday, he was back in the arms of gal pal Hailey Glassman by Sunday. In fact, his new girlfriend is so committed to their one-month-old relationship, she has moved to NYC to be closer to her man! Spies caught Gosselin, 32, helping the 22-year-old Glassman move into the South Park Tower apartment on West 60th St. on Sunday; the digs are just a 10-minute walk from his own new pad, the Alexandria, at 72nd and Broadway. That’s a pretty big step for a man who who’s been enjoying the single life, a bevy of beauties at his beck and call. On Saturday evening, the “Jon & Kate 8” star squired Major around New York, cozying up to the reporter over dinner at Accademia di Vino on the upper East Side. He also has been linked romantically to his former neighbor, schoolteacher Deanna Hummel. And let’s not forget the most infamous lady in his life: his wife of 10 years (and reality TV co-star), Kate, with whom he’s in the midst of divorce proceedings. Despite the influx of females, Gosselin and Glassman’s relationship seems to be moving at a quicker pace than most due to their “celebrity status.” The two just returned from a romantic trip to Saint-Tropez, where they reportedly met with designer Christian Audigier to discuss collaborating on a new kids’ clothing line. The couple was just as lovey-dovey on Sunday — mere hours after Gosselin’s night out with Major — as they traipsed through Harriman State Park, “hugging one another and holding hands,” says an eyewitness. Ever the ladies’ man, Gosselin picked a flower and tucked it behind his girlfriend’s ear at one point, and then pushed her on a swing set. “They looked deliriously happy,” says the onlooker. “Their fingers were constantly intertwined. Jon kept gazing at her lovingly while they chatted and strolled through the park. They kept stopping to make out — and they made out a lot — but they were really cute together Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/07/21/2009-07-21_jon_g_father_of_8_and_ladies_man.html#ixzz0M1LbiGID
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Wargod
Moderator
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 1:13 pm
"As for what Jon, 32, likes most about Hailey, she tells People, "I'm a huge believer in not controlling someone. … I'll give my opinion but tell him to do what he wants to do. He said, 'I'm just not used to having an option.' I told him life is about options."" That's not from a source but from the girlfriend herself. Like I said, haven't watched the show, but from what I've read here that was one of the big problems people had with Kate, how she controlled Jon and that certainly seems like a shot at Kate.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 1:20 pm
Tex, That's really mean. I said I believe Kate's brother, and that's not someone anonymous.
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