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Kellsma
Member
08-28-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:53 pm
I am sure Kate went to CAlifornia on business and took Mady with her and made it a one on one trip for mother and daughter.
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 10:26 pm
Jgalt, that is way intresting....Now I want to remember how I sign my own name....lol
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 10:31 pm
Yep.. Cara had the one on one trip with Jon to go skiing, so I imagine Mady got the one on one trip with Kate as a balance. Jgalt. I'm sure my signature would say alot, but I'm mostly lazy and all of my names end with n and I guess over the years the sig has gotten sloppier. My doctor saw it one time and really admired it.. lol.. his is equally garbled but more up and down. I'm betting Kate's has evolved during her booksignings..
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 12:22 am
Yes, our handwriting does evolve. Handwriting up and down with no slant is someone who keeps their emotions in check, but again, a lot depends on other factors. Generally, the more of a slant ( to the right, if right handed), the more emotional the person tends to be. If a person writes very small with no slant, that person is probably an introvert, the larger the writing, the more the person wants to be seen or heard or with other people, large writing with an extreme slant is an extrovert who tends to be highly emotional. Again, so many factors enter into a complete analysis. It is fun, and very interesting. You can go to Barnes and Noble or some other book store and buy some fairly good books on handwriting analysis. You sure can find out a whole lot about people this way! I've been interested in Graphology for 40 years, but only licensed for about 14 years. As Kate has become more and more popular, her signature has probably gotten more ornate, perhaps with a swirl or long line swinging under, or after her name, or around capital letters, also her first letters in her name have probably gotten bigger as well. I would love to see Jon's handwriting. I hope some of you look into graphology, I think you would find it lots of fun.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 4:02 am
I write so tiny that it's been said that I could write the Lord's Prayer on a grain of rice. I'm no introvert... actually, I got glasses when I was 4 and they could barely measure how extremely far sighted I was. They estimated that I could see 8 times further than what was within normal limits. So I think the only way I could see anything was to make it super small, and it's just stuck that way over they years.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 4:18 am
Interesting. My first/last names are equal in size and style and very easy to read, although part of that is a concerted effort because I have been told that the messier the signature, the easier it is to forge it. I also slant to the left even though I am right-handed. I have to have the paper either sideways or to my right a few inches, can't write with a properly upright sheet right in front of me, feels strange to have my wrist twist like that. Kate might also be doing the same as many celebrities.... has developed a signature for signing autographs which is different from her legal/normal one that she uses for banking, etc.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 4:35 am
That article from the sister-in-law looks like sour grapes. I'm always skeptical of relatives who choose to be critical of their relatives in the media. I've come to like Kate after watching several episodes lately. I think she's a controlling person, but I do think she is a very caring mother.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 4:53 am
Kate's brother and sister in law Jodi, were on the CBS Morning Show. They expressed that their greatest concern is for the children, saying that they heard from them that they didn't want the cameras around anymore (said they expressed this about a year ago, but said they haven't actually seen them in a while). They still do talk with J&K, but haven't seen them. There wasn't any slamming of Kate or Jon, which I was glad to see. They said that the wedding, and all of the trips are/were for ratings, and that Jon and Kate aren't together, basically saying what we saw on the show is what is real. I'm not sure that this is the way to handle "concern" by airing it out on network TV. Their focus was on saying there should be laws to protect the children (how would you feel if everytime you cried, cameras zoomed in, etc). When asked whether TLC was to blame or J&K, Jodi placed most of the blame on TLC. When asked whether J&K were in a position to just stop this...she said she didn't think so, but didn't elaborate. I was glad to not hear any bashing, just concern. Hopefully, once J&K see the interview, they will take time to digest it and see that there are family members who genuinely care. Whether the manner of showing it (network TV) will sit well, my guess is, that it won't. Maybe they will just need time.
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Ohiomobprincess
Member
11-07-2003
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 5:00 am
I wish the show would end asap. The entire family needs counseling and time to heal in private. Jon and Kate started this nightmare and now they need to end it.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 6:37 am
Thanks Jgalt - I've been involved in some of the analysis, so that is why when I saw Kate sign the wall, and at the end of that show they panned her signature, it stood out "Kate" as really a beautiful signature - then at the book signing, the fans showed the camera, as they were proud, happy to have gotten that time with Kate, and the camera showed her first and last name - again, just interesting, and as has been pointed out our handwriting indeed does evolve... I too saw parts of the Early Show - parts, because I just couldnt watch, what good, and why now? Leave them be. I understand the topic of children on reality tv is a "button" that can be pushed, a good cause - but seriously, this is a family (extended as well) that has problems... as far as the blog goes - those blogs have been around as long as the show has been airing, and those that have written them have had the same message - but always is touted as sour grapes, and arent those kids cute, we feel as if we 'know' those kids, etc... just sad. I keep thinking that Kate and Jon have raised their family in faith, and so I will continue to believe that faith will sustain them...
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Sandra
Member
07-05-2004
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 7:37 am
I feel so sorry for the kids...but, Joel just loves Jon so much. Really clings to him 
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 8:44 am
Ok - an outsiders point of view, I have never watched the show only bits and pieces from time to time, but did watch this last one based the conversations going on here. After watching the final part, watching body language, emotions projected it appears to me that: Kate is really hurting, she is lost, does not know how to fix this and get over the pain, she still loves Jon but she knows he does love her anymore. She feels this marriage will not be fixed. Jon: is done, it is over for him. He will visit his kids, but him and kate are over. He really does not care everyone can kiss his butt.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 9:22 am
Maybe the Duggers would be willing to mentor them. This is said not to be funny, but just to toss another idea into the mix.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 9:56 am
Won't ever happen, but I would love to see J and K go stay at the Duggar's for awhile! And I'm not trying to be funny either. It was good to see Jodi and Kevin not slam J and K on the Early Show. I was very disappointed in them with their recent video on the internet. Jodi says the kids say they don't want the cameras anymore. She didn't say how many of the kids said that, how often or which kids said that. Kids say all kinds of things depending on their moods, whether they are cranky because they are hungry, whether they are cranky because they aren't getting their way about something. Maybe all the kids are sick of the cameras, maybe not. Just because Jodi says one sentence about it doesn't mean that is the way all the kids feel ever or always. Re: the sextuplets, they really show them happy and interacting with the camera people. Jon has said that they like all the extra people around and think everyone comes there to play with them.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 10:30 am
Just watched the early show. I am not sure about this either. Seems like there is something else behind Jodi's motivation. I think the hubby is not quite sure where he is.
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Sarasmile
Member
02-09-2007
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 10:32 am
I agree with Terolyn - if you take everything else out of it (aspects of their personalities that you like and dislike, the tv show, the media, etc.) - that is exactly the impression that I got of both of them. Kate is at the end of her rope, tied up in sadness and anger, and Jon checked out a while ago and seems annoyed that he has to deal with all of it.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 10:43 am
Tero, this week was also my first time viewing it. ITA with your assessment of the situation in your 8:44 a.m. post.
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Cornea
Member
09-02-2005
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 10:54 am
Jodi and Kevin have been trying to get Jon and Kate to stop the show for about a year. I think that they were hoping that J&K would stop it after the last season, but we all know that didn't happen. I think that they were very concerned about the children and had no idea what to do to get the show to stop. So they went to the media which started the whole issue. I happen to agree that children should not be on reality shows. Any children. That means the Duggars, Hayes, etc. too.
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 11:36 am
Yeah, I think it started out with good intentions and its gotten out of hand. I hope that when their contract is up, they can let it go..maybe do a special here or there...but sadly, its time.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 11:46 am
I agree that Kate looks sad and depressed but I don't think it has to do with Jon and her not being happily married but more that her rise to fame , fortune and the show continuing had a monkey wrench thrown into it. The final show from last season she was all smiles and giddy about the show continuing and said she was happy, very happy even though Jon said he was anything but happy and wanted the cameras gone. I think it's a given that the kids could live happily ever after if the cameras were gone. She's never shown an ounce of romantic love towards Jon why would she be mourning the loss of him? She's TV savvy enough by now and has seen that she's being portrayed as the bad guy so she knows she's got to "act" as the one who is aching at the failure of the marriage. Everyone seemed to appreciate and respect Aunt Jodi when was part of the show, I think that was an accurate take on her. I don't think Kate was ever respected across the board. I believe what is being said by Jodi. Jon seems to have the symphathy of many many people even those related to Kate.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 11:51 am
Jon probably doesn't have to deal with family drama, so he can sympathize. Most of the time when their is drama, it's always the woman's isssue to deal with. One time when my DH and I were dating he told his step sister she was dressed like a prostitute (and she was, he's kind of a blunt guy) and his step mom got mad at ME for it instead of him. I said 'I didn't say it, he did' and she just pursed her lips and walked away. I see this happen a lot. A son doesn't visit his mother, or call his buddy, it's automatically his wife or girlfriend's doing. The kids act up, it's because mom works all day or something similar.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 11:56 am
I said at the end of season 3 that it was time to consider shutting this down. At that time there was no harm done (IMO) to the family unit but it just seemed to me that the original show had completed it's purpose. That there was nothing new to learn and it was just turning into voyeurism. I also felt that the kiddies were getting old enough to be effected by the cameras in their space and to be getting feedback from their classmates. For that reason I did not watch any of season 4. I don't think the kids being cute warrants being exploited. I did watch the premiere on Monday, curiosity being what it is but I won't be watching season 5 either. If enough people who believe it should be shut down stand by their word and would stop watching then TLC will get the message.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 12:05 pm
I don't think we can judge whether Kate ever loved Jon - at one point she loved him enough to conceive by whatever means necessary 8 children with him. I doubt at that time she was thinking "Hey, I can go out and make a career as a reality show star and ruin my marriage!" And as for the show - to me they were offered an opportunity that would allow them to secure a future for their huge family and they took it...in retrospect they might not do it again but none of us can see into the future. I realize that they put themselves in the position of being judged by us but I am saddened that a family is being torn apart in front of our eyes. And if Kate is really the reality show wannabe that so many people think she is can you imagine what the next season will look like - Kate plus 8 on her own. Hopefully she won't go that direction but time will tell, won't it? Still doesn't excuse Jon if he truly went outside of the marriage. I don't care what the circumstances are - you finish up your business first before you get to go out and play!
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 12:40 pm
Escapee, your story is so sad. It seems like the people in your husbands family are living in the past. Thankfully I don't have to deal with that sort of backward thinking and my husband would NOT put up with that anyway. I think Jon and Kate don't suffer from that stone-age mind set about women. That is at least one problem they don't have to deal with and I'd guess most of the population have moved on from that too. on a side note my son calls me often LOL...hey mom blah blah and my dil does too, when she feels like touching base. My son just called last night to see if we were available for dinner Friday. Times have changed.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 12:54 pm
I guess everyone is different but I called my parents every single day. There was never any issue about it and Cathy chatted with them as well. We had very little "drama" but what there was I was involved with it. And I have to say that I'm plenty involved in my daughters various dramas (LOL – sigh). With respect to continuing with the show, the bottom line is that ten people means a lot of mouths to feed, clothe, house, etc. It takes money and that can not be lightly dismissed.
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