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Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Great post, Chy.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 1:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
great post Chy!

it would be simple if either one of them were monsters, but they aren't. they are both flawed...it's called being human.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 9:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I really enjoyed the LA Chopper episode with the Gosselins. Jon, not so much with the continual poormouthing and jabs at Kate and at having the kids and even at Mikey. Interesting since he seems to see himself as the victim and then puts down the low man on the OC Chopper totem pole.

Mikey and Kate and their spa day cracked me up.

Nice bike Jon got.. that really is a fat rear tire!! Almost looked like something you'd see used on sand dunes. (Not that I know squat about bikes.. I only had a couple of real rides in my life.. on a Harley, though.. and I wasn't a natural.. wanted to lean the wrong way, but I did learn) .. the little helmets they all wore sort of made me laugh..

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
i guess this is why we have 12 people in a jury.

You can all be watching the same show and see different things.

I'm not directing this at any particular poster or post.

That is why everyone has different favorites on big brother.

what is glaringly obvious to one is not to the other because they "like" that person.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
We really should have an odd number of jury members so there's a majority, don't you think?

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I'll volunteer to be the odd one.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
no,no no Og..I am odd!!

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    


Okay, Lori, we'll be the new Odd Couple.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 1:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Since most of us have preconceived notions about them, we wouldn't be allowed on the jury, if there was to be a trial.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 6:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Ok,But I get to carry the purse.(gonna take alot of xanax to get me thru this..LOL!!!)

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 6:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    


Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 6:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Well, the purse is yours then, but I don't want any lip out of you once we get there.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 7:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Hey if said purse has xanax in it,one can only assume I will be happy to be anywhere!! No lip outta me!!

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I feel bad for both of them, but I can't help feeling Kate needed Jon when the children were little to do all the extra things and now the children are more self-sufficient; Kate has a new job (touring her book) and she doesn't need Jon as much. In all the years I've watched the show, it's been Jon who sat down and played with the kids and now as a stay-at-home Dad he does things with them daily; whereas Kate did the mundane things (that don't often get credit) like cooking, etc. However, she's made it clear she's not an outdoor gal. I can't help but see John at times more loving with the children.

I also feel she just pushed him to the limit by degrading him on TV constantly once she had lots of help, etc. If she is trying to make sure he never cheats again, she's doing the right thing in not just letting this slip by and he thinks he can do it again. If they are separated and every article says they have been for six months, John is not technically cheating if he dates, nor is Kate. It's not like they can file papers right this moment.

Having said that, if Kate makes him wait too much longer before forgiving him, she might be alone for a long time. I don't see a man wanting to date her with her 8 kids and her temperament. I don't think Jon is the only one in the marriage who needs to grow up. It would be awful for the kids if they broke up. Jon & Kate need to ask themselves that age-old Ann Landers question.

"Will I be happier in 5 years without this person?"

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 8:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
My math might be wrong:

They produce 40 half hour shows a season which is a grand total of 20 hours which we get to see. Counting all the months there are no cams around them, we are seeing a very infinitesimal bit of their lives. Way too small to draw much of a conclusion from on how their lives are truly lived.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 10:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
it's 'techncially' cheating as long as they are married.

OG, that's what I have always thought, it's really not a tremendous about of time shooting. In fact, I believe both Kat and Jon have said that it's only 3 days at the most per week.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Ok,1st annie and OG,I agree 110% with both of you.(no surprise there)
To me,Cheating is Cheating until you are no longer married.Even during Separation, be it marital separation or separation for work as this case is.I know far too many couples who have "separated" just long enough to "get some strange" (HORRIBLE way to put it,but that's the best I could come up with),and then get back together as if nothing ever happened.One can only come to the conclusion these people(the couples I know) are not meant to be together in marriage as it is defined.But only as long as things are fun and easy.Which anyone who has been married any length of time and has had their trials as well as triumphs knows Marriage is not a game,it is a blood sport!! And it should not be entered into lightly,nor should cheating be accepted,EVER..So yes,I agree completely,Cheating is Cheating until the ink is dry on the divorce papers.That's my opinion..

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
Kates new job touring her book

Wasn't that for all of 3 weeks in April??

if Kate makes him wait too much longer before forgiving him, she might be alone for a long time.

I don't see that as an issue. Jon sure doesn't look like he wants forgiveness...does he?? And whos to say she wants him back?


Cheaters are scum.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 10:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure how he can be there "daily" when he's snowboarding in Utah, barhopping in New York, high end shopping in New Jersey (well she did have the kids that time) or bar hopping in Pennsylvania. The nannies are there when he's home too. Remember the season opener when he asked one of the little girls if she missed him and said "daddies have to travel for work".. so no.. I don't think he's always home and I don't think Kate is always gone, either.

I suspect it is the public cheating appearance that hurts the most..

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 11:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
I thought, Sea, that Jon flat out denied he cheated on Kate. Please stop stating things as fact, when you do not know what is true or not.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
<The nannies are there when he's home too. >

It's been said that Kate claimed more than once that they will never have nannies! So, has she lied?

<Marriage is not a game,it is a blood sport!! >

A blood sport!?! Huh?

Well, perhaps for constantly belitted men, married to <79> it is. They are being slowly pecked to death.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Good point. If we are to believe what the media has said about Jon cheating, then I think we'd need to believe what the media says about Kate cheating as well.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Sher, I didn't state anything as fact about cheating.. I said the public appearance of it (though I really garbled that sentence!)

The barhopping has been documented and admitted to, the snowboarding was shown on the show, the high end mall shopping was also documented, I believe. I was addressing the idea that Jon is the stay at home dad while Kate is out gallivanting around. But even if he was the sole caregiver, aren't they his kids too? And didn't he quit his job to care for them?

Holly, I never heard Kate say they'd never have nannies, but I'm betting that has been said by more than one mom, who later hired help, whatever name might have been given to the helpers. She probably also didn't foresee that she'd get speaking gigs or a book tour, either.

Brenda, I don't think there is film of Kate leaving some guy's house early in the morning or trying to duck the paparazzi sans wedding ring or drinking shots in bars??

But the actual cheating.. no, I can evaluate what I see/read and I don't have to believe it all. I'd rather believe none of it, actually.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I don't see that as an issue. Jon sure doesn't look like he wants forgiveness...does he?? And whos to say she wants him back?

I thought he had said he wanted to be with his family. I thought he'd left her, but it seems she kicked him out about 6 or more months ago. His eyes are soo sad and these days he seems to be with the kids more than Kate. It was stated in People I believe she toured 18 days last month for her book. I don't believe the other gossip mags, but would hope People would get their facts right.

I agree with all of you that separated or not, it's still cheating. I guess if Jon is seeing a different girl (than the one he was accused of cheating with) maybe he realizes it's over for them.

They are young and if he did cheat, Kate might have just done a knee/jerk reaction and now it's out there in the public eye. She was probably very hurt and felt that's what she needed to do. It's such a mess.

I saw a horrifying headline @ the grocery store yesterday. It said something like "Split the Children?" Tacky of the mag to even put that out there. That would be the worst they could do.

I'm also going by what Kate's own brother and sister-in-law have stated and they see Jon as the better parent.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, June 15, 2009 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
He may be the better parent, but that would be sad since he feels "trapped" having all those kids, so he says. Just wants to be with his "friends", free to snowboard, etc.

I saw a tabloid cover suggesting Kate could lose all the kids, but that would be pretty unlikely considering how hard the system works to keep kids with even the most dysfunctional of mothers.