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Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
We have ONLY Jon's claim that Kate told him the marriage was over and that's why he cheated. This is the same Jon who gave various excuses for why he cheated on Hailey, the current "love of his life". It is very hard to find anything coming from a serial cheater and liar to be credible.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Ok if she said to Jon our marriage is over... why didnt he separate then? If there was an agreement, you would had heard about it by now.

Jon is trying to find an excuse for his cheating. There is none.

Brenda I agree with you 100%

Regardless why the marriage is over, there is no excuse for Jon's recent behavior.

Mindeegap
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07-20-2009

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mindeegap a private message Print Post    
Usually when you get caught doing something, it's not the first time you've done it. Jon had most likely been acting this way long before it was out in the open. As a wife and mother, you have a face you put on for the public to protect your family even when you know, but you can't always hide the built up anger. That's probably what we were seeing in later episodes from Kate before it all came out. If I knew my husband was behaving that way, and I couldn't do anything about it from fear of ruining our family life and job status, I would probably be the biggest bee otch ever, because you can only hold back that much frustration for so long. So even the nice guy at the deli counter might get a dose of "you've gone done it now!! this is not how I asked for my honey baked ham to be sliced! What freaking planet are you from?"
Just my thoughts...I think Mr. Eye rolling, mumbler made her be the way she was.

I did watch an episode the other night where Jon took the kids for a walk to through the woods. It looked like the most miserable time of all their lives. I couldn't stand seeing it. Then I saw him sitting at the table with them eating lunch and my heart broke for them. We can only imagine how hard it must be for them. For all of them. Even though I don't care for Jon, I really felt sorry for him and all the innocence that is lost from that family not only because of his actions, but all the media surrounding them and he can't take it back. No one can.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure Jon ever had the opportunity to cheat! Kate never let him go out with friends. all their babysitters were approved by her. We didn't see him out hitting the bars until they called it quits.

I also don't think Jon is smart enough to be a good liar. It takes a certain amount of intelligence to lie well. He doesn't have it, but she does. Jon is not bright enough to lay down the background -- telling her family that she wanted to live separate but keep the show on as a facade. Her brother said that Jon had told them that. This was prior to the public announcement of divorce. No way is Jon smart enough to craft a lie like that in advance so that he can cheat.

I don't really believe much that comes out of either of their mouths. They both try to spin it to look better and make the other look worse.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree that with Jon, what you see is what you get. Say what you will about him, he is hopelessly transparent. He is not a good liar and he is a public relations nightmare (to himself and anyone associated with him).

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Well regardless, his current and very public actions are not helping him or his kids.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I believe Jon 100% when he said Kate told him it was over a while ago. It makes sense. The last "love seat" interview said it all for me. That marriage was over except for the TV show. There was absolutely zero love from Kate towards Jon. I looks to me like Kate considered Jon as husband in TV name only. What in tact marriage has one spouse live in a separate apartment in the home they just bought. That has never been denied by Kate.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
It would be interesting to see those 2 got to marriage councilling.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I don't think it takes much intelligence or any at all to lie. Obviously he's capable because he's been caught in several lies; the latest of which is "I only took out $22,000 which is like my paycheck, and I have bank records to prove it," when in reality its been determined and ruled that he took $180,000. Even after court or whatever, he went on ET and said "I took $155,000," when again, it was ruled that he took $180,000. Did that take a certain level of craftiness? If so, then he's crafty and shifty, if it doesn't take craftiness, then lack of sophistication doesn't prevent one from lying.

I also don't think it takes intelligence to be delusional or believe in your own press, which is what also can be the case. Maybe he believes in what he says, but that doesn't make it truth.

It also doesn't take intelligence to be manipulated, subtlely told what to do or lie about, or overtly told what to do or lie about by your circle, i.e. your lawyer(s), your harem, girlfriend, your manager (which is who got Jon to hire his current lawyer because he is the manager's father). His lawyer indeed has a huge influence on Jon as can be witnessed by Jon's latest actions and if that isn't convincing enough, I saw a clip where he was asked a question by a reporter or pap whom Jon is normally extremely friendly with, and his response was, "I don't want to say anything because I don't want to make my lawyer mad." Or how about the influence of girlfriend Hailey who is Jewish and now Jon is seriously interested in the Jewish faith. He can be influenced. So Jon may or may not be crafty in lying but the history of his current lawyer shows that at least his lawyer is crafty, which is who may be puppet mastering Jon right now, and could be telling him to lie.

All that said, before Jon even got his team and girlfriend around him, he was still caught in many lies. Which is why it always astounds me when people take what Jon says as gospel, when he has a pattern of lying. I mean c'mon he's known for it, which is why most articles I read about him have a tone of "rolling eyes" and "what lie is he telling now" by the author when they report on his latest verbal and physical antics.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I didn't say that Jon doesn't lie. I said he isn't a good liar. LOL - That is why he is so transparent.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I agree. It takes zero intelligence to lie. It does take some to lie WELL and Jon is a really bad liar, judging by how often he is caught at it. LOLOL Also figure that like most children that he is actually getting away with at least SOME of his lies... that makes a lot of misinformation he still has out there. We only know what lies he has been caught in, we don't know how many of his other stories are bull. It would be really naive to figure that his lies are all public and everything else is factual just 'cause he says. I am not believing anything he says until a judge rules on the evidence we aren't privy to.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Yes, yes! Any idiot can lie! LOL. But you have to have a bit of brains to lie well. He doesn't have anyone fooled. I think transparent is a great way to describe him. And not too bright works too. :-)

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I was responding to Brenda who I think mentioned she doesn't think Jon is intelligent enough to lie. But I don't necessarily agree with your statement that what you see with Jon is what you get. Obviously that's not true because when he first started getting busted with women, he just would have been honest about it. Or even with this whole money issue that he took.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
At the risk of repeating myself, all I mean by "what you see is what you get" is that he is transparent. It's not like he got bad at this overnight. The fact that he is poor at covering his tracks now and doesn't present the greatest image now suggests that he wasn't likely fooling anyone and covering himself in the past either. So what you see is what you get - past and present.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I see what you mean Brenda. I think Jon is transparent, but not in the way that Jon may think he is. I think he's dishonest and he tries to present himself like "hey I'm open and honest, see how transparent I am," but I don't think that's presentation is accurate or honest. He's transparent to me in the sense that I can see right through that facade (IMO of course); he just thinks he's getting away with the facade.

Many times it's been mentioned on this thread by people of opposing sides that Jon is passive-aggressive, at least in his marriage; that is one of the few things that has been agreed upon for the most part. IMO, passive-aggressive behavior takes a certain amount of skill in manipulation, craftiness, self-deception and always playing the victim rather than owning some accountability. This is done either consciously or semi-consciously, so that can mean either he knows at times he's being cunning, or he's self-deceived, but again that doesn't always make it truth.

Passive-aggressive behavior is craftiness. I'm not saying he always lies, but just that he sometimes does and is very much capable. I do find him transparent but in a much different way.

ETA...Jimmer, I understand what you're saying.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I believe Jon 100% when he said Kate told him it was over a while ago.

So which version to you believe 100%? The version where Kate told him she was having the affair with the bodyguard, so it was over, or the later version, where he no longer KNEW she was having an affair, but suspected it because they were together so much?

Naja
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06-28-2003

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
As far as I know, Kate has never accused Jon of cheating. Has something new come up?

I believe with all my being that IF Jon had actually been cheating before she called off the marriage, there is no way in heck she would have agreed to a no fault divorce in the first place.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Ok if she said to Jon our marriage is over... why didnt he separate then? If there was an agreement, you would had heard about it by now.

We did hear about it, not just from Jon the week before last when he was defending himself against Kate, but also from Kate's brother and sister-in-law. Someone should ask Kate point-blank if she said this...under oath.

Everyone labels Jon the lier...what about Kate? Isn't twisting the facts the same as lying? I do agree Jon did not behave in the best of ways at all, but I also feel when he is defending himself, he isn't lying.

Jon is like a teenager set free and is having to learn some lessons the hard way. Immature..yep; however, he didn't ask for the separation; Kate told him it was going to happen.

If she really loved her children, she would have sought counseling for her and Jon and perhaps for the sake of the children she wanted so badly, they could have worked things out. I think Kate is mad because never in a million years did she think Jon would get any notice, nor have a girlfriend so quickly. I don't think this is what she 'planned' on.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Naja stated:
I believe with all my being that IF Jon had actually been cheating before she called off the marriage, there is no way in heck she would have agreed to a no fault divorce in the first place.

I agree with you, Naja. I believe that Kate thought she would still have control of Jon after they separated and is shocked that he went and made a new life for himself. The nerve of him!

She is crying the crocodile tears and saying, "This isn't where I thought I'd be." SHE is the one who decided to end it, so it's where she should have thought she'd be.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Cricket stated
Well, there's $75,000 for her piggy bank. I hope it will give her poor wee ones a decent meal. Does she have to share this income with Jon?

Ahnicka replied:
Does Jon have to share his money with Kate too? Although I think Jon may have an overrated high estimation of himself and his worth (given the below article), I can't blame him (or Kate) for trying to make money to support his children and lifestyle.

Good question, Ahnicka. I was wondering if Jon (is he still under contract with this lawsuit of TLC's going on?) would be paid for this show, or just Kate?

Jon did say they each had to put $7,500 per month (which Kate wasn't contributing to, but we didn't hear much about that) in an account for household bills/expenditures. Does that mean they were allowed to keep their other monies, like Jon's appearances and Kate's book signings and appearances?

Why hasn't Kate been made to catch up on her monthly payments of $7,500? With her paying the bills, it seems she has a lot more leeway with the money than Jon does.

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
Yes, and she has padlocked her bedroom door where she keeps a safe and all financial papers.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 6:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Ok forgot who did what or when... It dont matter... its those kids that really matter.

Sorry but I dont see Kate parading different men infront of those kids like Jon has. Kate has done nothing to prevent Jon from earning a income. He would still get paid from the show.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 7:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Onlyhuman, I believe 100% that their marriage was over long before it became publicly known and I believe 100% that Kate told Jon do what you want privately but show up for filming with your game face on. When the paps made Jon's "private" life public (duh) all heck broke lose. Everything that came and that comes after doesn't matter, damage has been done and legal fees will eat up a good portion to the money. It doesn't mater who did what when or why or who lied about what and when bottom line...the storybook life those kids were having has ended. Now they are the witness to their parents very public and very nasty divorce. Pointing fingers is senseless.

Too bad for them, I guess.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Kitty, Kate is EVIL.

She kicked her husband out of the bedroom so she can engage in a torrid affair with her bodyguard.

She forced Jon to sign contracts he didn't want to sign.

She barred him from ever having access to their financial records.

She hates her children and only interacts with them when forced to do so on camera.

She forced TLC to drop Jon from the show when he was refusing to live up to his contract.

She told everyone how he had taken money from their joint account when he had done so, which was just wrong and she clearly only wanted publicity.

She forced him to sleep with at least 4 different women in the past 9 months because he never would have done that if she hadn't been so controlling of them for the 10 years of their marriage.

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
Sad as that sounds thats just about exactly how it happened!!