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Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Until we see a schedule we really have no way of knowing how much time each of them is spending with the kids. We may never know.

In most divorces don't the kids live with mom and dad gets every other weekend, one night a week for dinner, part of summer vacation, and 1/2 of the holidays. Are we saying that all of those dads are setting a bad example? Shirking their responsibilities? I really think this will head in that direction because I can't see Kate off by herself for half of the time. I see her trying to have the kids at least 75% of the time, and Jon can come take care of them when she's off on her book tour.

I'm not sure what Jon's supposed to be doing when he's not with the kids, which is at least 50% of his time? How do we know he's not trying to get work. He claims he's trying to get a clothing line, trying to get his own tv gig. Because he's seen out drinking we can conclude he must spend each and every day partying?

Believe me, if Jon is ever supposed to be with the kids, take his turn, and he's a no show. Kate will certainly let that one slip to the media. We'll hear about it for sure. But until that happens I'm not sure how he's running around with no responsibilities. I guess he's not entitled to have any fun?

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 9:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I'm glad Kate got control of the lion's share of the money. There is not one shred of evidence that she is out having some wonderful youthful trysts while Jon is watching the children. The only pictures we've seen, to my recollection, of her with her bodyguard, were ones shot in an airport (he was walking well behind her) and during the tups 5th birthday party (he was holding a balloon or something, and there were numerous other unidentified adults in those shots as well).

If everything is done "for the children" then Jon needs to keep his social life to the time when he is not with them. Was he boinking the babysitter? Who knows for sure, but she slept over (why, was Jon out that late that she couldn't drive home?), and they were both photographed exiting his apartment over the garage in the a.m., both wearing the same clothing from the previous day.

Defend Jon all you want, but every one of you who are married, put yourself in Kate's shoes and see if YOU would be all "oh, it's o.k. she slept over...it's o.k. they both came out of the apartment together in the morning wearing the same clothing as the day before...it's o.k. that my husband went to a bar with this babysitter".

I cry bullshit if anyone says it would be perfectly acceptable and totally not suspicious in the least if it was YOUR recently ex-husband.

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
I just don't get it... If a 33 year old woman with 8 kids that had thinning hair and a belly like Jon's was out and about, I don't think she'd be attracting a bunch of 23 year old guys...
Life is so unfair....

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I don't think anyone's suggested Kate's been off on youthful trysts.

And yes, if I were the ex-wife and my ex were dragging girlfriends around the kids and socializing with the babysittere I would be steamed. I'd be furious, probably sick to my stomach. But I'm not sure there's much I could do about it. Can you really put in the custody papers some legal stuff that says "no friends over" or "no sleepovers"? Divorced people date, then often remarry. I dont think you can legislate against that in your divorce papers. Can you?

It would be very hard for me to let go of that control while my kid was with the ex, and I'm not a controlling person, so I can't even imagine how hard it is for Kate. But that's part of the deal with divorce.

Should Jon focus on the kids when he's with them? Yes! Would I go out drinking after my kid was put to bed? No, but people do. They get babysitters and go out after the kids are in bed. Married people do it all the time. Jon did it one night that we know of and a lot of extrapolating is going on based on that one night. I haven't seen the evidence that Jon is shirking his dad responsibilities. Yes, plenty of evidence that he's out having a good time, but he's got a lot of spare time on his hands now.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Either Jon has some personal magnetism or it appears that some young women are attracted to fame and money.

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
Even if Kate does has a romantic life going, and honestly, (whether Regis wants to face it or not)this divorce is happening, I say she should be dating if she's so inclined, and like I say, even if she is, at least she's managing to be discreet..
Jon is obviously feeling like he's a free man, and so, I suppose, he is. And if he feels being photographed with anyone shouldn't be a scandal, and maybe it shouldn't be. Although WHY.. when he has said he is the one that misses his anonymity, oh why does he seem to go out to the gate on what appears to be a very large property and light up a cigarette and hold what appears to be a daily news conference with the paps?

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
LOL Kelli -- well now that Kate will have her hand tightly wrapped around Jon's wallet, the 20 somethings might disappear as Jon's cash flow does.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
Can you really put in the custody papers some legal stuff that says "no friends over" or "no sleepovers"?

Yes you can, for a reasonable time limit

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 10:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
if he feels being photographed with anyone shouldn't be a scandal, and maybe it shouldn't be.

This is basically how I feel as well. Many have voiced concern that the kids will see these pictures later and be mad or hurt. Well who's to say the kids aren't going to watch the video of the show later and see how rude mom was to dad and be mad at her, blame her for making daddy leave? We really can't say how the kids are going to process this over the years. Hopefully they will better than we all fear.

I don't understand at all why Jon is befriending the paps. Maybe because they will portray his side of the story, like when the cops were called. Maybe he's just a friendly guy. Maybe he thinks if they like him they will show him in a more positive light. We've all seen that treating them poorly doesn't make them go away. I think Jon is enjoying the celebrity. He has an audience now, people who will chat with him and listen to him.

It's all very fascinating.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 10:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Yes you can, for a reasonable time limit


I wonder what a reasonable time limit is? I'd certainly be getting that in the agreement then!

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 10:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
Jons new Reality Show??

Could this really be true?? I thought he didn't like the limelight?

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
Looking into my crystal ball, I predict that TLC will soon have had enough of Jon and his harem of college girls and he will be willingly phased out of the show. I also think that, although they thought the idea of giving the children custody of the house and they would come and go won't actually work out the way that they thought it would when they made that hastily announced decision. I suspect that Kate will buy Jon out for his portion of the home and she will live there with the children and Jon will get his own place and end up having the children every second weekend and Kate will eventually have to give him every alternate Christmas and holiday, even though she proclaimed she would never not see her children on a holiday.. Nice to proclaim, but that's not the way divorce and custody arrangements work...
And finally, I predict that next season will be Kate plus 8, and that it will be the final season and we'll all soon be tuning into Octomom instead!!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 11:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I personally think (here I am an armchair psychiatrist...NOT!) that Kate probably has always had a controlling nature, and it probably was exacerbated by having to cope with 8 children...and add to that a husband that apparently doesn't want to take a great deal of responsibility...has all added up to this recipe for disaster that their marriage has turned out to be.

I think the sheer logistics of caring for 8 children - regardless of how much money you have or how much help you can afford - has got to be overwhelming and I think that Kate had to be very tedious in order to get the things accomplished that she feels are important...unfortunately it seems that she has gone overboard over the years. Perhaps not having to keep Jon under control and be responsible for him too might relax her a bit. For the childrens' sake we can only hope.


roxi, i completely agree.

I just don't get it... If a 33 year old woman with 8 kids that had thinning hair and a belly like Jon's was out and about, I don't think she'd be attracting a bunch of 23 year old guys...
Life is so unfair....


ain't that the truth! LOL

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 11:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
There's a Jon Gosselin-sized hole in the reality-TV marketplace and one enterprising—if slightly out of tune—production company is looking to fill it.

A source confirms to E! News that the bachelorhood-embracing tube dad is in talks with reality-TV juggernaut Endemol (of Big Brother fame) to star in the proposed reality show Divorced Dads Club, which chronicles the lives of famous single fathers.

Because, you know, not since Octomom has any pop culture figure been so underrepresented in the media. Way to keep your fingers on the pulse, Endemol.

However, if Gosselin is looking to expand his brand, he may be out of luck. TLC, for all intents and purposes, owns the Plus 8 papa and as such must approve any and all small-screen appearances—a rub if ever there was one, as the cable net hasn't exactly shown much eagerness in sharing their talent.

The friction between the network and Gosselin has intensified as higher-ups have reportedly expressed concern that the partying, paparazzi'd, girlfriend-juggling star may not be adhering to the morals clause of his contract.

Still, should the show make it to air, would you watch Gosselin?

from enewsonline....

Kittyab
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07-16-2005

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I personally think (here I am an armchair psychiatrist...NOT!) that Kate probably has always had a controlling nature, and it probably was exacerbated by having to cope with 8 children...and add to that a husband that apparently doesn't want to take a great deal of responsibility...has all added up to this recipe for disaster that their marriage has turned out to be.

I think the sheer logistics of caring for 8 children - regardless of how much money you have or how much help you can afford - has got to be overwhelming and I think that Kate had to be very tedious in order to get the things accomplished that she feels are important...unfortunately it seems that she has gone overboard over the years. Perhaps not having to keep Jon under control and be responsible for him too might relax her a bit. For the childrens' sake we can only hope.


I always thought Jon was the 9th child.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
me too kitty!

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
You can pretty much put anything you want in a divorce decree. You can set limits on where the other parent can live, who they can be with, etc., but like most anything else it is hard to enforce, and enforcement depends a lot on who the judge sides with.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Maybe it's a female thing, but if I had limited time with my children, I wouldn't leave them to go out and have fun. Even if they were asleep, I'd stick around in case they woke up to show them that even if I'm not there all the time, when I'm there, I'm really there. With limited time, I'd probably stand in the doorway to their bedrooms and watch them sleep.

When my children were children we all lived together. But when I have the opportunity to be with my granddaughter, I spend every second with her. I don't even run errands because I can always do whatever it is when she goes home.

Can't Jon do his fun things when Kate has the house? Why does he need to go to a bar when it's his turn with the kids. Yes, he has the right to, but why does he want to? He has always been the ninth child and the way he seems to need instant gratification is showing that he was not only the ninth child, but a spoiled child at that.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Mama, you bring up an important point. These kids have lived through a lot of turmoil in their lives, and even more in the past few months. They need the reassurance of constant care from at least one of their parents during this transition period...now I don't know for sure that Jon has been out during his weeks with the kids so I'm not going to say that he does that, but shame on him if he does.

Oh, and I barely watch JK+8 anymore, except when my daughter is watching it or I'm really bored, but I can guarantee I wouldn't watch a reality show that featured Jon. He really isn't that interesting to me and his behavior over the last few months has really turned me off.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 12:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Can't Jon do his fun things when Kate has the house? Why does he need to go to a bar when it's his turn with the kids. Yes, he has the right to, but why does he want to?

i wonder the same thing. it truly must be a mom thing.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Because Jon is an idiot. I understand Kates statement that she hopes he comes to his senses some day and see what he is doing / has done and regrets it and hopefully makes up for it.


I don't blame Kate. I am surprised she was as nice to him as she was. Believe me it is NO picnic when your spouse is a immature child.

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
Mamabatsy, you put it so much better than I tried to do upthread. I'd have time without my children to pursue my wants (we used to call them "gottas"...lol) As far as the sitter staying all night, I might suggest that too if she were unable to drive. It doesn't mean anything else happened (I can't believe I'm giving Jon the benefit of the doubt, here) but dude, there're people everywhere waiting for you to take your next misstep. And you're giving them plenty of ammunition.
In our custody agreement, me & the ex stipulated no drinking while the child was in our care. We were/are both recovering addicts, and going through the emotional upheaval of divorce we wanted to make sure if either of us went back out, it didn't happen around our child. There were consequences, such as reduced/limited/permanent custody, if either of us broke that condition.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 1:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Brenda, the irony is that one of the FIRST of many to voice concerns over what the kids would see in the way of pictures and articles that could be googled.. was JON GOSSELIN. That is what makes it so puzzling that he is purposely feeding that fact and rumor mill and providing countless photo-ops.. going out of his way to do so.

He's also quite recently claimed to love Hailey and only Hailey so again he's hurting the one he says he loves, one would think.

I had recorded some tabloid show the other day and was surprised to see an interview with Hailey.. finally figured out why I had recorded.. they had the announcement of who ws going to be on Dancing With the Stars.. but Hailey said that Jon had convinced her to go to France saying they woulnd't attract attention and of course they did and she says she doesn't like that.. not sure I totally buy that. She addressed her arrests, how the record was mostly cleared, due to her youth for the pot and drinking charges and says of course she doesn't smoke pot anymore.

She says they fell in love because both of them were staying with her parents and they were bored.

Anyway, would think after the Kate Major fiasco, Hailey might mind about the "babysitter"/aspiring model/barworker staying over. The apartment over the garage is supposedly where Jon has been staying for months. Hard to think he and Kate would time share the same bedroom in the house.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 1:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Bluejaxrock, what a wonderful thing both you and your ex did, acknowledging that there was a risk for both of you and writing it up with consequences spelled out. Sounds like that was a real gift to your child!

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
We tried, Sea, we tried. As hateful as things got at times, she was our first concern. We almost put in the agreement no bad mouthing the other to her. Unfortunately, we both "fell off the wagon" for about a year, but when she was with either of us we were stone-cold sober.
My ex was one of those that had a hard time accepting that he didn't live in the home anymore and didn't have the "right" to waltz in whenever he felt like it. I never refused extra visitation/access to our daughter, but call ahead - even if it's only a half hour. Again, it helped us as well as her. (And no, I'm no saint, and we weren't always perfect, but we did our best to put her well-being before our pettiness.) Early on after the divorce, he & I would let each other know if we were dating someone before telling our daughter, so we could gauge whether she was ready for it. And if she wasn't, we didn't introduce them to her.
Wait, we do sound like saints! lol