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Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 3:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Then why is Jon so upset (supposedly)now? He's had over a year to get over it and get 2 new girlfriends. Can't have it both ways.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 3:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Why can't you be upset that your marriage ended and still move on?

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 4:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I think we can all agree on one thing, Kate was a nasty wife...every mans nightmare. So,now that Jon is free from her he's partying very hardy with young females. It'll stop when he falls in love again and he will. He'll probably even start another family.

He's having a good time with lots of different women right now. He's got his toys and is financially better off than most. So let him have fun. After years of living with a woman that hated him and had no problem telling him what a lousy husband he was, the constant put downs and remarks (in front of the kids) he's free...free at last.

Now Kate is free of the husband she couldn't stomach and he's free to enjoy his life again. I don't think anyone can say that he doesn't love and cherish his kids and the kids are best served by a happy dad. But the family will NEVER be the same and the expectations shouldn't be there that Jon will act as if he still had a love relationship with Kate, he hasn't had that for a very long time.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 5:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Kate was not a nasty wife. She was a wife who had a husband who just didn't give a darn. Perhaps if he had engaged with her and talked to her rather than making fun of her behind her back and "disobeying her" they might have worked things out. He chose not to be part of a couple. He chose to behave like a child and that's showing now. He hasn't changed, it's just that now we can see that he only cares about himself.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 5:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
Actually I don't agree that Kate was a nasty wife....every mans nightmare.

And I don't care how many girlfriends he has or how much money he spends, hes digging himself a hole and I'm sitting back and giggling.

The tide is turning and Jon is coming across in the press worse than Kate ever was..a lot of people are realizing pretty quickly what Jons all about.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 5:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I think we can all agree on one thing, Kate was a nasty wife...every mans nightmare.

No. I don't think we can.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 5:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't think it is a competition and if it is a competition then they both lost. Both of them appear to have had/have issues. Initially these issues may have helped bring them together but in the long run those issues made them incompatible. It's probably time for both of them to move on.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
If Jon was going to be upset about his marriage ending (because he cheated on his wife) then he should have been upset a year ago. Not now.

Kate was a woman with not 8 kids but 9, the 9th being Jon who thinks he is still young and should be able to live the single life.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 6:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Twinkie, you insist he cheated on his wife. How do you know this? What I think is he started moving on after the marriage was over but before they told the world. There is no sign of him with other women any time in 2008 or before.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 7:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Kate said something like "we have been dealing with this already for six month". (she said on the show they announced the divorce)...And Kate's brother (AUnt Jodi's husband) said straight out that Kate told Jon it was over in 2008, and their agreement was for him to just show up for the show tapings to keep up the charade for tv.

eta: my answer was for Tex, but she erased her post.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Count me out of the "we can all agree".. nope.

Even if Jon was my best friend, I'd be warning him about REBOUNDING.. and I don't care if supposedly he was done with Kate in 2006.. he was very recently partying and travelling with the teacher 22 year old (she was on the latests Skiing jaunt that TLC filmed) and then suddenly he's with Hailey.

And if it was June 20 2008, does that mean he was with Hailey a year ago and then cheated on her (and Kate) with the teacher? Doesn't add up. But he's on the rebound from somwone and (maybe) talking engagement. Pretty fast.

Also making such unfortunate choices in appearance.. the fugly clothing, the ugly cigarettes.

I think there can be a wide interpretation of WHAT Kate meant by what they were dealing with for 6 months. As I recall she also said he felt boxed in and she suggested a part time job, or volunteer work, or going back to school.. I dont remember her saying they were dealling with infidelity at that point. I've only seen from Jodi and husband (getting more air time,while claiming it was so back that J/K were getting it) that there was this document allowing Jon to go boink young women.. haven't heard that from Jon or Kate or seen any proof.

ETA: I don't give credence to anything Kate's brother says.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 7:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
But you seem to give credence to anonymous sources.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 7:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Also, everything Jodi and her husband have ever said seem to end up true and proved somehow.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 8:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
I've never believed a single word out of those two's mouths. They were PAID to talk and it had to be juicy. So you are giving credit to those money hungry jerks.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Well, maybe we can't all agree Kate was a nasty wife.:-)

To me it seemed obvious but I guess not. I just thought they had a very bad marriage as far as romance, flirting, a wee bit of love talk, I saw none of that. I just saw Kate as an over bearing shrew of a wife regardless of the amount of kids they are raising.

Just my observation Jon did the lions share of the hands on babysitting, bathing, nap-times, he'd build stuff, tear stuff down and then rebuild it again with Kate barely noticing.

I guess their marriage just appeared awful to me. So I am glad Jon is having a good time dating lots of females and traveling while it's not Jon's turn with the kids. And I'd want Kate to go and get herself a life too with other people.

The marriage was over for a long time, as Kate said, so the timing of when Jon began his life without Kate doesn't really matter to me, the love went dead not soon after the show began filming. They both are way overdue for love and romance or just flings if that's their choice.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 10:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
As I said, I am reserving my judgement of Jon until I see how he interacts with the kids. They - and ONLY they - are who he has to answer to.

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 10:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
Let this be a lesson to people that maybe they should be married for awhile before going for fertility treatments. Develop the marriage first! These two just jumped right into it and I have never heard anyone explain why they did so quickly after they married. For me, that would have been a red flag early on.

I'm sorry to hear they're doing another season. I was hoping the kids wouldn't be put through this any more.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, July 20, 2009 - 11:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think the "a source" is bogus (about the ring). The jeweler, well, he's not proving anything so far. In the past I've talen what Jon denied as real, until it becomes obvious it wasn't true or he changes his story. And of course each of us is free to evaluate each statement/source as we see fit.

TNT, he was pictured with one of the twins a few days ago, out alone having picked up a sugary drink. They weren't smiling but that doesn't mean much. The pictures from that day showed the other twin crying as she hugged Kate goodbye and one of the tups doing the same. Of course the headline totally exaggerated it as "Jon throws Kate out of house" but it seemed he was there with the kids, at least that day.

But I do think that how he presents to the world WILL have an effect on the kids and yup, he'll probably have to answer to them. Like the first time he discovers the kids trying out cigarettes and they say.. well YOU do it and show him the googled picrues (benefit of the doubt has me hoping he will not add secondhand smoke to their environment.

Anyway, I'm not reserving my judgement. I have NO doubt that he loves the kids and they love him, but I don't think what he's doing is good for them.

I agree that they couldn't have had that much time to themselves before the twins were conceived. But, hey, look at how many couples are already pregnant or have more than one child before they even get married, so J/K were a bit more conventional than many in the news.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 12:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Sea, ITA with everything you post in this thread.

I don't think Jon or Kate should be dating anyone else right now. I don't think any married couple should be dating anyone else. Not even when they are separated and certainly not when they have been separated only a short time. Since 2008 is a short time to me in this situation. (And it seems to me that they were presenting themselves as a couple in summer 2008 when they renewed their vows.) I know it is done all the time. That's my opinion though. It is not good for the kids to expose them to the dating life so soon after a split. I don't think there are any or many experts that would disagree with me.

I also don't think it is good for Jon or for Kate (if she were to date now) or for the people they would be / are dating. I would think this even if they were never on tv and totally unknown.

You don't just get over someone so fast and being in a romantic relationship with another so fast is not going to help you be ready for another relationship or get over the one you're trying to get over. Jon sure seems like he is over it already, and maybe he is. But that doesn't mean he is ready for another relationship.

I think Jon is a terrible role model for his children. I think Jon behaves very selfishly.

I also wonder about this "Kate said it was over." If she did say it, it could have been in a moment of stress/anger/hurt whatever...people say things they don't really mean sometimes, especially at times of stress.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 5:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
I don't think Jon or Kate are trying to get over each other. They are done. Kate has said they've been done. It's a little disingenuous to think Jon and Kate should put their lives on hold while getting over each other. Most experts would say move on with your lives not live in limbo.

I don't understand the hostility surrounding Jon dating. Is it because people have hope that they will get back together? Is it because you want to be the ones that decide who and when he dates?

Jon has been a fantastic father, I don't see why that would change.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 7:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
OK I understand but it doesn't make logical sense to me why people would begrudge someone dating after they've split from a marriage regardless if they have children or not. I'm just trying to figure out what is behind that mind set. I'm not trying to upset anyone. It's just seems odd.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 7:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
<77 - continuity only> We are all friends - friends who hold widely differing opinions at times - but still respecting one another's viewpoints.

I don't think anyone in this thread has had his/her viewpoint changed through reading here, but this still is a good place to vent and/or express opinions.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
<77 - continuity only> I am just so happy to see that folks have their heads on straight and realize that the parent's right to date whoever they want completely trumps their children's right to not have to see images/hear stories of their parents' dates doing drugs and having sex romps. It's about time that a parent's rights takes precedent over their responsibility. After all, they were parents for a whole 9 yrs, they deserve at least the next 9 yrs to cut loose and recover from that trauma (even if it was self-imposed). Kids first - buh humbug!

PS The rumour about Kate/bodyguard? Didn't the rag that first released that story later say it came from Jon himself? Has anyone heard this from any other source then from Jon?

ETA Happymom - great post.

Moderator
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06-29-2002

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Moderator a private message Print Post    
Everyone, This is a discussion board. People discuss issues here. Sometimes they discuss the same issues over and over again. That is their prerogative. Please stay with discussing the issues rather than discussing the discussion. If you are tired of the discussion it might be best to step away for a while. Thank you. :-)

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Happymom, Dr. Laura is foursquare in your corner on divorced people with children dating. That is a big NO in her book.