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Bluejaxrock
Member
04-23-2004
| Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 7:34 pm
I can't believe I'm jumping into this thread again, but here goes. If it's my time with the kids, I'm not out at the bars until closing. Especially since it seems like I (Jon) don't have as much time with them as the other parent. But those are my priorities - doesn't mean everyone's are the same. I would also hope to be a bit more discreet than what I've seen from Jon. Sure, I don't have the paps and people like me hanging on their every move, but boy, does my family like to judge. They'd be worse than the paps...lol
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 7:41 pm
Only and Bluejax, ITA. I do not think it is good for the kids to see their dad with another female in a romantic relationship right now. (one, let alone more than one) He is still married to their mom. It is not healthy for the kids.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 8:01 pm
So are people suggesting that Jon also slept in the apartment above the garage? Perhaps she was drunk, and instead of driving home she opted to sleep in the apartment while Jon slept in the house with the kids. Seems plausible to me. Perhaps Jon put the kids to bed and after they were in bed went out to the bar while the other nanny stayed at the house. Unless he was hung over the next day and not able to get out of bed I'm not sure he missed any kid time.
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 9:18 pm
also the Jonbashers have seemed to assume that they were totally making out in front of the kids... I don't think anyone has said that. I doubt he would do that or at least I hope that hes not that stupid.... but it still doesn't make the situation right.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 10:43 pm
Brenda, you very well could be right. Like I said, I have no idea what their relationship is. What IS clear is that this is not purely a professional relationship. Jon doesn't have responsibility for his children every night, why can't he party with his babysitter on another night? I just don't get it. But even more concerning to me is the fact that Jon appears to have no problem letting random people have close contact with his home and his children. Given the press coverage and ability for people to sell their "story" to the press, I would hope he might be a little more discriminating. I guess I just see a guy who continues to make bad choices and I hope he wakes up before something bad happens. But that's just me. I am sure other people think it's great that he is embracing life and opening his home to people.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 6:18 am
why can't he party with his babysitter on another night? Okay, where was it said that he was partying with her that night? Far as I can tell, he was taping shows downstairs and doing other errands, therefore he needed a babysitter. A babysitter that Kate knew. So how do we know, FOR SURE (cuz that is what it seems many are assuming) that they were partying? By the way, I also think that Jon is not making good choices with regards to being seen at 2 am at a bar, and dating, etc. But it really irritates me that many (possibly totally inaccurate) conclusions are being drawn.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 6:46 am
I've never been divorced but plenty of my friends have been and I'm never surprised at the way they act once the divorce ball starts rolling. I don't mind people moving on with their lives and do not begrudge Jon having a social life. If he likes to club and have girlfriends more power to him. I would feel the same way if Kate was dating several guys and clubbing. It's really up the individual to conduct their social life as they please. I always chuckle when people get bent out of shape when someone going through a divorce is ridiculed for moving on socially and romantically. Personally I think it's way over due for Jon to have romance because I never saw any on their show.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 6:50 am
Julie, there have been several reports of the relationship being more than employer/employee...how reliable they are over anything else rumored/reported...who knows. It is yet another new “girlfriend” for philanderer Jon Gosselin. Stephanie Santoro, 23, is the latest in a string of romantic dalliances for the Jon & Kate Plus 8 star. Santoro, a cocktail waitress at Gosselin’s favorite watering hole, Legends, was hired as a babysitter for the Gosselin kids. On Saturday, Gosselin was reportedly hanging out at Legends, and Stephanie, who is also an aspiring model and single mom of a 2-year-old son, sat at his table most of the night. According to RadarOnline, the two left together just before 3 a.m., riding in Jon’s car back to his Wernersville home. And where did Stephanie spend the night? In Jon’s apartment over the garage, NOT in the main house where the kids were sleeping. Photos were snapped of Stephanie sticking her head out the door at around 7:15 a.m. Sunday, wearing the same clothes as the night before. Despite the photographic evidence, Stephanie has not confirmed her romantic liaison with Jon, who has also been romantically linked to Deanna Hummel, Hailey Glassman and Kate Major. All I can say is the man sure does get around. I’m actually starting to feel sorry for Kate Gosselin. View photos of Stephanie Santoro at Jon Gosselin’s apartment http://www.bittenandbound.com/2009/08/05/stephanie-santaro-is-jon-gosselins-new-girlfriend-photos/ http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-jon-gosselin%E2%80%99s-new-sleepover-pal-model
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 6:53 am
Lilfair, if kate were moving on in the same manner, I would be just as appalled. One doesn't need to date everything in site while they are still legally married.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 6:55 am
well this is no surprise!! tmz.com As for this season, sources say a judge gave Kate control of the family finances because she was deemed the more responsible party. Jon gets limited access to the account for basic stuff, and we're told he's not happy about it. Kate's people say Jon is making money on the side by selling pictures and stories of him and the kids to the tabloids.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 7:20 am
To me, a marriage is more than just a legal piece of paper. It is about mutual loving, caring and respect. Once that is gone, from an emotional and spiritual standpoint the marriage is over and the piece of paper is irrelevant. So IMO what Jon is doing now has nothing to do with his marriage. He and Kate have decided that their marriage is over.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 7:24 am
It doesn't surprise me at all about the money. It also wouldn't surprise me if Kate ends up paying Jon alimony, after all she seems to be the main bread winner with her books and speaking events and she seems to be the one so enthusiastic about the show.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 7:34 am
Do I think Jon looks like a fool? Is acting like a fool? Sure. Do I begrudge him going out and having fun? Nope. I think he's lived a bit of a repressed life for a while and now he's free from that prison. He's making up for lost time, recapturing his youth. LOL. Frankly, its probably a healthier approach than holing up somewhere, crying everyday, lamenting about how you never thought you'd do this alone. I think Jon is a more social creature than Kate and he will have a lot of friends. I wouldn't be thrilled about them coming and going from my house either, but if they are going to make this shared house thing work, Kate is going to have to realize it is not *her* house when it's Jon's turn -- it's Jon's house. I don't think she'll be able to. She's already shown her unwillingness to let him run the house by going over there and bringing the cops.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 7:37 am
So was that the SAME day that Kate called the police? (So Jon and the girl were out and Kate was gone too??) I thought that particular instance was a totally different day. It's all too confusing for me. And I truly don't care enough to research it. But I still do not think Kate should have called the police. And if Jon really is having girlfriends sleep over (and he sleeps with them), then I do hope Kate gets full custody.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 7:38 am
I agree Jimmer. Just because he's legally still married, socially it's over, mentally it's over, emotionally it's over. The papers have been filed. If we wants to date, he's free to do so. He's not cheating or stepping out. That said, I wouldn't date him! He's too fresh out of that long marriage and clearly on the rebound.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 7:40 am
I don't know either Julie. I thought it was a different day. But I really have no idea. Kate was over there during the day, before dusk.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 7:47 am
Jon is a father of 8 children...IMO he should give up on capturing his youth. He gave up the right to be carefree and irresponsible when he fathered 8 children. He's making himself look like a fool in a world where his children are eventually going to see these images. He should at least be more circumspect. I'm not saying that he doesn't have the right to date (although personally I think you wait until the ink is dry on the final decree before you date...just my personal opinion) but what he is doing is more like tomcatting than dating...and he is doing it in the full view of the media (which he purports to dislike). He is showing a lack of class and respect for his children that I find appalling. And does he really think these young girls would be going for him if he wasn't "Jon" of the "Jon and Kate Plus 8" franchise? Otherwise he would be just a reasonably attractive but unemployed 30-something with a receding hairline and a whole lot of kids.
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 7:48 am
I'm pretty sure it was a different day/night. Just as I'm pretty sure someone from inside the house called Kate to say the shooter girl/babysitter was over at the house and Kate made her way over there to give Jon hell. Yes their marraige is over and he IS free to do as he wishes but he really should TRY to respect his kids and be more discreet. His kids don't want to see him with someone else, certainly not yet. Oprah would have a field day with him! LOL
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 7:50 am
No, I think we should sic Dr. Phil on them. How's that working for you?
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 7:50 am
Well said Roxip and my thoughts exactly!
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 7:50 am
LOL 
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 8:18 am
LOL about Dr. Phil. Jon just might respond: "Well, you know, I haven't had this much fun in 10 years! I haven't had this many blondes chasing after me, ever, so it's working out okay so far." While I do agree Jon needs to be more discreet, I have to disagree about waiting. Life is too short to sit around waiting for ink to dry on legal documents that can take months if not years to come through. If the marriage was over in October as the story goes, then he's done his mourning and is ready to get back on the horse. Men seem to move on a lot quicker than women, no idea if it's good or not, just seems that's how it is. And I agree with the post a while ago that if this show didn't happen, if Jon didn't realize the celebrity and how many women felt bad for him, vowed to treat him better than Kate, I think they'd still be married. I also think Kate wouldn't have gotten quite as snippy and full of herself. The celebrity changed them both. It made her an ego maniac, ruling the roost quite harshly and it made him see the greener grass on the other side. Without the show, they would have probably stayed married, one of those couples that plods along bickering a lot, somewhat happy but somewhat miserable, but coping.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 8:32 am
i agree that marriage is more than a piece of paper, but imho, it's a very important piece of paper. i don't feel that either party should date while they are legally married.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 8:43 am
The idea that Jon has been released from some kind of jail is a myth. No one locked him up, forced him to have 8 children, then held him hostage on TV. Those were all his own decisions. Acting like he was some kind of victim during that time is to completely ignore the fact that he is an adult and responsible for his own choices. I DO blame Jon for running around like he has no responsibilities. I don't care if he is doing it on TV, in private, or after being married to the most controlling woman on earth. Jon is not a twenty-something who just broke up with his controlling girlfriend and needs to experience life. The reality is that he has 8 kids to raise and you don't do that just by coming around and playing with them occasionally. You do that by setting an example of how to be an adult. You do that by demonstrating for your children that life is about choices and consequences. You do that by showing your children that you love them and care for them not because you are the fun parent but because you are the parent who is committed to putting their well being before your "fun". If the kids start mimicking Jon's behavior as they get older, almost everyone will blame the TV show for damaging the children. I personally will look a little closer to home unless Jon finally grows up and gets his act together.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 8:54 am
I personally think (here I am an armchair psychiatrist...NOT!) that Kate probably has always had a controlling nature, and it probably was exacerbated by having to cope with 8 children...and add to that a husband that apparently doesn't want to take a great deal of responsibility...has all added up to this recipe for disaster that their marriage has turned out to be. I think the sheer logistics of caring for 8 children - regardless of how much money you have or how much help you can afford - has got to be overwhelming and I think that Kate had to be very tedious in order to get the things accomplished that she feels are important...unfortunately it seems that she has gone overboard over the years. Perhaps not having to keep Jon under control and be responsible for him too might relax her a bit. For the childrens' sake we can only hope.
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