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06-29-2002

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This is it: If we have to moderate you again for saying something negative about your fellow posters, your account will be suspending immediately for a minimum of 24 hours.

This warning has been repeatedly violated by MANY posters. We are closing this thread for now, so we can be sure you all read it AGAIN!

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Trying again.

Do NOT complain or talk about other posters here. No discussions of Kate hate or Jon haters or how other people are blind because they don't see things your way.

You can discuss Jon & Kate, YOU MAY NOT DISCUSS OTHER POSTERS!


Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Hailey's interview.. interesting how she flipped back and forth from sobbing to totallly dry eyed and just LOVING the attention and how UN journalistic (no surprise but it was WAY worse than usual) the rest of the panel acted.

I got the feeling that they found this vulnerable person (who has a less appealing side that wants "fame" and wants to whine) and exploited her to the max.. sort of like a team of "good cops" getting her to spill her guts. I would feel sort of sorry for her one minute and not at all sorry the next.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Thanks for opening the thread back up!

Regis and Kelly are dressed like J&K! I think the hair is annoying Kelly a little bit.

As I was falling asleep last night, I saw maybe The Insider tv show showing that Nanny Jon slept with talking about text msgs. from Jon that she says prove they had an intimate relationship.

I saw some footage of Hailey too...wow, she sure is making Jon look bad. The interviewer said she didn't think Hailey was prepared to say all that but it just came pouring out of her after the interview was underway.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I didn't see the whole interview, just a snippet. But Hailey said she asks him, "WHY are you so MEAN to me?"

I can only say one thing about that: Yikes!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 9:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Given Hailey's interview, the nanny's story becomes much more believable too. It's pretty classic, tho - after being married to a very strong woman, he's going after young, more easily manipulated women to vent all those years of his frustration.

Again, the man needs serious help.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I think all of these women are who Kate was 10 years ago... Women who think that Jon is some kind of victim who just needs THEM to make his life okay. They are all hoping to fix him.

I still think that it's hysterical that Jon has spent 22K in therapy sessions and this is the result. That therapist better hope he NEVER reveals his/her name because he's a walking billboard for ineffectiveness!

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Just for the record, when I stated, 'people' in my post yesterday, I didn't mean peeps here, I meant the media and people in general.

When K&R said 'reality shows' this morning, I knew Jon & Kate would be a costume. Very funny how Kelly (aka Kate) wouldn't let Regis (aka Jon) out the door to their seats. LOL!

I'm still trying to understand the Hailey interview on the Insider last night. Does anyone have any idea what she was trying to accomplish? She left me very, very confused. Was she just trying to get air time?

ETA: Seamonkey, didn't see your post before I posted. Do you think Hailey went to the Insider or they contacted her to exploit her. It was just ridiculous how whiny she was and the one guy finally asked point-blank..."Why not just break up with Jon" to which she stated she loved him. So ....where is she coming from???

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I still think that it's hysterical that Jon has spent 22K in therapy sessions and this is the result. That therapist better hope he NEVER reveals his/her name because he's a walking billboard for ineffectiveness!

Only, putting Hailey aside, I feel the therapy may have helped Jon. A few weeks ago is when he came to the conclusion he'd done it all wrong and he wanted to settle down and be a Dad. I didn't know he was in therapy, but I was wondering who had finally woken him up. What I see now is Jon fighting to get 1/2 of his income and keep his time with the children.

I just don't know about his relationship with Hailey, though. It might be bad for him right now.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Onlyhuman, how do we know Jon has been doing therapy? Is it because he or his lawyer said or do we have a more honest and reliable source who has confirmed this?

Even if it is true and he really has gotten therapy, I can see his current self still being the result because I think it's more of a strategic move by him and his lawyer to go along with the all of a sudden change that came immediately after the post show title change attitude of 'I'm now concerned about the kids being on tv because it is a bad thing for them' and 'I'm stalling the divorce so I can work on better relations with Kate,' while I contradict this by continuing to bash her on TV. This is the result of therapy? My guess is that either it's just a rouse (sp) or maybe he's not really in therapy.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
What woke Jon up was being fired from the show and wanting to be able to have power and control. This guy has done NOTHING for his children, including encouraging his girlfriend to appear on this show and reveal that he acts even worse than previously thought.

I think the appearance was planned by Jon and his "advisors" as a way to make Jon look better. They thought Hailey would go on TV and talk about how upset he has been, how stressful everything has been on them, how Jon had been making bad choices but that he's come to an epiphany and is a changed man. The problem is, Hailey is neither smart enough nor media savvy enough to pull off such a fabrication of reality.

And if taking 180K from an account in violation of a court order is a positive step forward in therapy, then clearly I am doing my job all wrong.

ETA...Ahnicka, Jon claimed that he asked Kate to go to therapy with him and when she refused, he went by himself. On Larry King, he said he had spent more than 22K on therapy bills.

Rissa
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
The problem is, Hailey is neither smart enough nor media savvy enough to pull off such a fabrication of reality.


Interesting OH, I hadn't thought of that but it makes a lot of sense.

Just got home from yet another surgical consult for one of my dds. Spent the waiting room time reading a People Magazine which had a couple interesting items that I hadn't heard before. They stated it as fact, but I am not overly familiar with People so not sure how much should be taken with a grain of salt. According to the article, Jon contacted the media himself and told them Hailey was meeting the kids. He had no intention of doing this but want the story planted to enrage Kate. Also said that Jon had gone down to the gate and asked of his pap friends to write that note for the gate (the one where his name was spelled incorrectly). I had thought his lawyer/agent/manager had made that note, disapointing that he would have paparazzi do it. Also mentioned again those 11 bank accounts Jon keeps saying he and Kate have. It occurred to me this morning that duh... of course they do. One for each of the 8 children, one for him, one for her and one joint. It always seemed like such a massive amount of accounts for a couple to have but including the kids makes it all make sense. ALthough Jon keeps saying 'we have 11 accounts" like Kate is hiding money here, there and everywhere.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Thanks Onlyhuman, I wasn't sure where that info came from. I think I vaguely remember that or maybe I read it here, not sure. It coming from Jon though, I never believed it because it only came from him. Not saying it didn't happen, I just need a more reliable source to confirm it for me to believe it. LOL

Also, this was an excellent point, I never thought of it that way:

I think all of these women are who Kate was 10 years ago... Women who think that Jon is some kind of victim who just needs THEM to make his life okay. They are all hoping to fix him.

Kittyab
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Maybe Kate didn't think theraphy would help. Someone posted that she is trying to get her nursing license back?

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
I didn't understand Hailey's interview either. She loves him but apparently he's verbally abusive to her? All the tears don't make me feel sorry for her, if he was REALLY abusive then she should get out of the 'relationship' and it's obvious she isn't going anywhere because she loves the attention.

Only, do you know Jon or his 'advisors'? I'm just wondering because you always seem to say stuff was "planned" etc...Figured you had some kind of insight that we don't.

I do think Kate didn't think the therapy wouldn't work but that woman should be in therapy.

I still don't agree with Jon not being a good father, he's making some moves that I don't approve of but he's always there for his kids etc....

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
It is my opinion, based only on what I have seen and read and my experience with attorneys, that when Jon does one of these "conciliatory" PR events that it certainly appears to be on the advice of his advisors, who are being paid to advise him. I have no personal knowledge of Jon and his advisors but his "come to Jesus" moments seem to be cyclical and last only as long as he is listening to whatever person is whispering in his ear at the moment.

To me (again, just my opinion), if Jon's mouth is moving then I assume he's lying. Unless, of course, he is saying that he loves his children. I truly do believe he loves his children. And that is the only thing that I care to hear from him ever again in this world!

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
{sigh} Well, Roxip.. here ya go.. another lie to add to the list. Email proof that Jon and his *people* were in fact considering show with Octo-mom

Interesting I thought was this: They say that they would love to have Hailey in the show upset and unsure about this “whole blind date (with Nadya Suleman) thing".

Hmm, does this fit into Hailey's recent interviews re: Jon? Could they have been trying to set up a reason why Jon would be pursuing a date with Suleman?

I don't doubt Jon loves his children either or that he has been and will be a good father, he just isn't right now.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
"Come to Jesus" moments?

I thought he was converting to Judiasm. LOL

As for always being there for his kids...well, I'm just not too convinced of that. He doesn't seem to care who takes care of them, or that their name is spelled wrong on their birthday cake, or that his car is big enough to hold more than two of them, or that they will be able to read the damaging things he's said. (My six year old GrandDaughter knows how to google, so his 9 year old twins surely do, too) So, I'm just not too sure about that at all.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 1:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Oh, boy, Rissa! New Show: Jon and Nadia and Hailey Plus Twenty Two.


ugh.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

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You'd think they'd learn by now that email proof can be their downfall after the whole radio thing where they had email of his people wanting/asking for an exorbitant amount for his appearance and later denying that too.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

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Only, do you know Jon or his 'advisors'? I'm just wondering because you always seem to say stuff was "planned" etc...Figured you had some kind of insight that we don't.

I don't know anyone and all of my guesses are based on what I have observed. I felt that this situation was planned because ET had video of Jon and Hailey traveling to LA for the interview. They showed them happy and laughing and having a good time. Then Hailey, alone in the car, crying. So, I put the events together in a way that made sense to me.

I know that Jon has advisors, his lawyer and manager, since he mentioned them in that interview with parenting magazine. We know that Jon has had an "exclusive" arrangement with ET/The Insider. We know that Jon has been sued by TLC to get him to stop earning money in such a way so, for the moment, he has to be careful about doing interviews with them. Hailey agrees to appear on ET and is accompanied by Jon. It doesn't make sense for her to have told Jon...hey, I'm going to go on TV and tell everyone how terrible you are to me, wanna come with me? The fact that the interview occurred and it occurred with Jon's apparent blessing makes it sound like a media spin gone wrong.

JMHO, of course.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

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At last Jon has said something I believe. He said that his future behavior is more important than what he is saying. He has said he has changed before and continued to be a "bad boy." Now he says he has really changed. He admitted that his actions will have to speak for him. I really do hope he means it this time and his actions match his words for his kids sake.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

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For those of you who regularly watched J&K+8 over the seasons before all this began, was Jon articulate on the show? Or maybe that was semi-scripted, so a better question I guess when/if he was stopped for candid pics, videos, talks i.e. how TMZ does it, was he articulate? These would be the pre-coaching/pre-spin days. I didn't pay much attention to him then so I don't really know if he was or wasn't.

I ask because I was reading Jon's response regarding what Hailey said on The Insider and it sounds pretty articulate. I've never really thought of him as such, nor sophisticated, so it stood out to me. The apology response to Hailey seems to sound very similar to what I read about the public apology thing he's going to do at the Synagogue or something of that sort, and I'm thinking someone wrote it for him to recite. This makes me wonder if Hailey saying those things on The Insider was all planned to garner more media attention, public interest, support, and perhaps still part of the strategy to have him look like a changing/changed man.

It's just a thought because the responses just seem so similar in wording as if he's reciting what was written or told to him to say, and the one to Hailey seems articulate (I read it, didn't hear him say it). Maybe Jon and Hailey are going for a reality show of their own, showcasing their relationship. I'm surprised we haven't heard a pitch for that type of reality show yet. Otherwise, maybe Onlyhuman you're right that it was a media spin gone wrong because I can't see any reason why Hailey would tell those things unless her emotions got the best of her.

The Statements:

1. “I am grateful for her emotional support and I regret any pain that my actions have caused her as she has selflessly born the pressures I have endured under the media glare. I am committed to making things right with Hailey as well as Kate and especially my children. I ask you to please give me the opportunity to prove myself,” he told The Insider. [Radar Online]

2. The reality star admits that he got his actions led him to be targeted by outrageous stories by the press, banking on every appearance he's made on the small screen. He's hoping that spending time with Rabbi Shmuley Boteach will help him out. In light of this, Jon Gosselin declared th}at he was ready to apologize for whatever harm he has caused the public.
"I have therefore agreed to a forum at New York's West Side Synagogue this Sunday where I intend to publicly apologize in a sacred space to those whom I have hurt. I ask the public to please understand the challenges I face in living under constant public scrutiny, even as I am aware that I have at times courted that scrutiny," Jon Gosselin said. "I am committed to making things right with Kate and especially my children. I ask you to please give me the opportunity to prove myself." [Buddytv]

3. "... it is important to Jon to focus on his family and repairing the relationship that Jon and Kate need to have, both for themselves and for the sake of their children." [(from Jon's talent agent re Octomom dating show) TMZ]

Rissa
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 2:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Absolutely Mama.

I thought the same Ahnicka, not at all words that seem natural coming out of Jon's mouth. Hopefully the sentiment is his, if not the phrasing.

Onlyhuman
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I am cynical, but it just seems like a publicity stunt.

What is the reason for a public apology in a forum that is a "sacred space" that isn't even your religion?

What is the purpose of a PRESS statement about this public apology before you have ever even made it?

It just seems like a planned stunt.

Again, JMHO.