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Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Tishala, I think my opinion is a pretty close mirror to your own. She was honest but very controlled as expected. Glad to hear her say that the decision to break up was mutual because really... who the heck would ever believe that Kate just walked up to Jon and said it's over, go live in the garage and he just left? Does Jon not realize that makes him look even worse if it was true? I think anyone over the age of 10 can figure out that that just wouldn't happen that way. I was also glad to see her AGAIN deny the bodyguard rumour. I mean, really.. the paps admitted Jon is the one who called in that story and Jon himself admitted as much and said he was full of it and never thought Kate was having an affair. But still there is a small handfull of the public who seem invested in believing it. On the other hand I just wanted to smack her.... how can she not see the connection btn the show and the paps? I understand her point about the first 4 yrs and I THINK her idea is that once the divorce is over that they can go back to that time.... having a show with no paps. I think that is unbelievably naive. But then I don't think the show will survive more than one season anyway. Lots of folks will slow down to watch an accident scene but how many will sit through months of the rehab/recovery?

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 7:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
I would believe in a heartbeat that Kate told Jon it was over and to go live in the garage. I mean it's not that hard to believe lol.

I personally find her to be a very miserable person.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
I'd believe it too!

LOL Adven!!

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I just watched it. Her hair was close to the same as The View people did it when she co hosted. On The View either Joy or one of the other ladies said, Kate, your hair looks much better. Kate said I'm taking your hair stylist home with me. She may not have taken her home but she did take a picture of her hair from The View to her own hair stylist.

The most interesting thing I heard in that very dull interview was her excuse of why she no longer goes to church.....LOL, right. I think laziness and sleeping in and not having Jon around to do all the kid work is more accurate.

Somebody should really do a study on how the paps choose who to hound and who to leave alone.

I have no basis as to why the paps follow her and Jon except that they both seem to act toolish. And from what I see a lot of people don't like Jon and Kate. And they both seem to be sorta greedy and reports have painted Kate as a very difficult person to work with. So they are easy marks.

I still don't get why these people haven't saved money to insure their futures. It seems almost reckless to have spent and lived high on the hog without thought to when the TLC gravey train runs out. That's the only reason I can imagine they are having money troubles or fighting over monies. I still don't understand why the kids weren't paid for their work on the show. Putting monies aside for schooling is common place and doesn't comes close to what they, imo, are due for their work.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
IKD, I am not divorced, but my husband stopped going to church with us. For a long time, I just quit going rather than face the fact that we weren't going together as a family...that just hurt too badly. I finally realized I needed to go for me. It still kills me every sunday to sit by myself and watch the other families sitting together, but I am back going again.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
Yeah it was a bit of a weak excuse as to why she doesn't take the kids to church anymore. Lots of divorced and single moms manage to get to church on Sundays. I agree she's probably too lazy. It's not about who you are sitting next to at church. Kate is so full of it.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I don't think it's unusual at all for women who are recently separated or divorced to stop going to church. It's true of most of my friends, and all we were full of was grief, and embarrassment. It took all of us some time to get back, or in many cases find a new church for a fresh start.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
That has happened to a lot of my friends. It really pains them to go to a place where they used to feel so close to their spouse. It is hard going to church as a single person, even if you've always been a single person. So many churches are set up for couples and families, especially in smaller communities (like where I live).

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
My divorced friends and family embraced their churches after divorce and became even more involved. I guess it depends on how much you rely on your Church. If embarrassment trumps your faith I suppose you can always get your faith back when you feel less judged at church.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 10:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Well, that's not very fair to say, really. It's not as if faith goes away somehow, just the desire to answer questions and face people and deal with it all in such a public way may go away. And of course, grief disables us in many ways. We have less energy and less ability to cope. No one would say that a grieving widow who chooses not to go church has lost her faith. They would simply call it grief, and find ways to support her. In many ways, it is the same. We are grieving our lost marriages.

Grief is not a loss of faith. It was in fact, faith that got me through. Faith is not just found in church.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 10:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
for me, it's not embarrasment or lack of faith at all (and i kind of resent that), my church has been with me through some very horrible times. It's not anyone in the church making me feel badly. It was just hard to go alone when it was something we used to do together. It was simply the fact that I was going alone that was hard for me. I don't think it's an indictment on my faith or my church that it makes me wistful when I see families sitting together and I am sitting by myself.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I would believe in a heartbeat that Kate told Jon it was over and to go live in the garage. I mean it's not that hard to believe lol.

Anmgelic, I also believe that so imagine my surprise when I walked past the LR and the TV was on to hear Kate say: "The children say, 'We wish Daddy were here' to which I reply, "I do to" (said in a very soft and wistful voice by Kate. What? Is she actually letting those children think that Jon just up and left? That is so wrong. Too bad this wasn't a real journalist doing the interview and not someone in TLC's pocket. A real journalist might have contradicted Kate right there. That's the only part I saw, but it was enough. However, my buddy @ zontv didn't let me down. Great article.

TLC, NBC Host Pity Party For Kate

Re her not going to church, didn't see it, but read an article quite awhile ago that said the church kicked them out. Perhaps they didn't want all the drama going on in the media. I'll see if I can find it.

ETA: Rissa, if at some point Kate said the decision was mutual, then she contradicted herself with the above statment to the children. I've read how she condradicts herself all the time. There's proof.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
she stated very clearly that it was a mutual decision and that she wished for the old jon back. i don't find those statements contradictory at all. why shouldn't she wish things had worked out differently? jon has said the same thing too. i think it's a shame they had to come to a mutual decision to divorce, but i can certainly understand both of them wishing things had turned out better. i don't know too many divorced couples who were thrilled to see their marriage fall apart. i know both of them love their kids and hate seeing them hurt. i imagine it hurts both of them to be away from their kids when they are used to being with them whenever they could.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
People are complex. You can reach a mutual agreement to end a marriage and still be sad and regret that it happened. It may be for the best, it may be the only reasonable option, given the circumstances, and yet it's all right to wish it hadn't reached that point. That's especially true when you have children involved.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
yes, that's what i was trying to say. you said it much better and more succinctly than I did, only!

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Kate not going to church because of whatever reason is typical. If TLC or Jon don't do the hard work she 's not interested. I'd bet big bucks that if TLC paid her to show her and the kids going to church every Sunday she'd be there in a heartbeat. But I always thought she prayed at the altar of the Benjamin's.

Why people leave their church for a while doesn't rank as anything but who cares, for me. But if they make excuses well that's when I call foul.

I also bet that when the cameras weren't rolling she barely parented the kids. And I doubt she's parenting too much right now either...it's just a feeling I get from her. I feel everything she does is for the camera's. And before Jon gets thrown into the mix I see him as just as bad a parent but for entirely different reasons.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I can somewhat gather what was said from some of your responses, but can someone please tell me why Kate said she no longer goes to church?

Did anyone read Perez Hilton's posting yesterday about the Hailey confession/breakup/slowing things down, etc.? Not that Perez is a reliable source, but he claimed "sources" said Hailey's comments on The Insider etc. were all planned out by Jon as a publicity stunt to create more media attention to generate more money for him since his money is running out, so that they can do interviews when they're back together and perhaps get a reality show together or something like that. I kind of scanned it, so I don't fully recall it.

I did find the whole thing to be very suspicious, the timing of it, her twitter posting, etc., but now I don't know what to believe. I don't know if they're covering for what all she said, or if there really is something up as in a publicity stunt.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
she said it was just too hard, a step she just couldn't take right now to attend as 9 rather than 10.
i go back to that very first documentary and first year..no one can ever tell me that woman doesn't love those children fiercly. she may have been a horrible wife and friend, but i will never question her love for her kids.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Just a small note on last night's show...


When she said "Our goals changed, our visions changed", but that Jon's goals are the ones that changed, not hers, I thought it was a load of malarkey. Of course her own goals changed once she got a taste of having real money for the first time. And I'm not talking about general goals like making sure her children are "happy and healthy".

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Haven't read Perez, but he's not alone in saying that or speculating that.. since Jon is being sued by TLC I guess he couldn't be a regular on ET but Hailey can be paid by them.

Other speculation is that Jon, the Rabbi and Hailey have cooked up a plan for the breakup or slowdown or meltdown or all of the above with the Rabbi (for pay on TV of course) helping to make it all better.. and then there was the Nadya Suleman proposal for the "date" with Jon to INCLUDE Hailey's reaction.

Jon and the Rabbi in the limelight along with the NY attorney and ooh, I see Jon now travels with bodyguard.

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=9d5dcff5-bf3b-4abc-91f9-81f3565a4882

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I think, for Kate, she just assumed that if she set goals and visions for the family that they were mutual goals. I would guess that, initially, Jon was supportive of things that would bring money into the family while he was not working. Things like writing books, doing appearances and so forth. He might not have been whole hearted about it, but he didn't have an alternative path to offer. But then the reality of being home with the 8 kids all day while Kate was traveling and (at least from Jon's point of view) enjoying the perks of fame, began to grate on him and he became less supportive of this path. In Kate's mind, she didn't change, Jon changed his mind. Of course, Jon had no idea how in demand Kate would be and how much he would have to shoulder, so it's not surprising that he rethought his position in mix. So I can see why Kate thinks that Jon changed but I think he could make a case that he didn't know exactly what the roles would entail.

It's not all that unusual and occurs in many families, though with the roles reversed. The husband is immersed in a career that he finds satisfying and that the wife initially supported while the wife grows discontent at home. My SIL felt that way with my brother traveling for business 20 days out of the month while she was home with the kids. She can't stand Jon, but she totally gets how easy it is to be jealous of the partner who has the "freedom" to travel for work. My brother would always say, "I am not having fun, I'm working!" but she still thought it would be better than staying home.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Perhaps Kate no longer takes the children to church in an effort not to further confuse them. According to Jon, he hooked up with Shmuley because his "kids need a Rabbi." He said that in that publicized interview he did in Temple. You know, the one in which he pretty much offered up that he cheated, lied, stole.

So, if Jon is serious about converting his children as well as himself, it MIGHT just be that Kate wants to wait this one out, as well, and not complicate the childrens' lives even more.

Jon has taken so much from his children. Possibly including their religious beliefs.


I must admit, I rolled over laughing when he talked about not wanting them to google him and see the terrible things he's said and done.
Umm....too late, Jon.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
The one thing that cracked me up is: Does Kate REALLY think there would be a market for a show with ONLY her on it?

Still boggles my mind that she cannot seem to connect the dots with regards to the show resulting in massive paparazzi. Sure maybe the amount of paps was really low in the beginning. But the reality of it now is that there are a tons of paps in her kids' lives. The only thing to do (fair or not) is to get the kids and HERSELF too, out of the spotlight.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Another interesting thing Kate said in last nights interview was that her relationship with her parents is one via e-mail. And I did not know she has 4 siblings.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Yep, she is very hurt by Kevin, but did not explain one lick of that story. She has three sisters, of whom one she seems to have the support of. But she only emails and they don't have any other type of relationship currently.