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Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
No matter how poorly the twins were behaving, he didn't handle it well. It doesn't really matter how long it had been going on, or what they were doing. HIS reaction is what matters, and he behaved childishly. I"m in charge and I'm throwing your poster in the trash are power trips, not parenting.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I'm curious what Kate would have done if at that moment in time Maddy or Cara had said to her they'd rather do things with their Dad.

Maybe a slap?

This was filmed a few months ago, so it was very early in the divorce. It had to sting and it would have stung Kate as well.

I agree with Countrydaze that at that time, TLC most likely did favor Kate. I still think Jon did the right thing by sending her back to the house before he said anything he might regret later.

I'm not sure Kate would have had the same control not to say anything. It's the just the beginning of a long hard road that will take a few years to settle down.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I really hope that he DOES regret later what he DID say and what he did do then and all day long.

We can speculate what Kate "would have said" but we SAW and heard what Jon DID say.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
I'm curious what Kate would have done if at that moment in time Maddy or Cara had said to her they'd rather do things with their Dad.

One of the little ones did say something about wishing Daddy was there to Kate once and she answered in a very sad voice that things are different now. It think it was the camping show.

Telling the kids that things are different and it's OK to miss the other parent or the things the other parent did is the appropriate response when kids try to manipulate like that. It is quite inappropriate to act like a child and throw a hissy fit to show them who's boss.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
When the little kid said it to Kate, the tone was completely different. The little kids just kept commenting that "daddy does that", when they were trying to set up the tents. They were stating facts. What the Twin did was say something purposefully hurtful and bratty. We have no idea if it's the first time she said it or the 100th. If it was the first, Jon handled it very poorly. If it was the 100th, maybe not so poorly.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I'm curious what Kate would have done if at that moment in time Maddy or Cara had said to her they'd rather do things with their Dad.

Maybe a slap?


Umm no. The same thing did happen with Kate, Mady told Kate things are more fun with daddy during the water incident and Kate did not react that way at all. I've already addressed this in my November 24, 2009 - 1:23 pm post when I pointed out Kate was crucified for that incident and now we have the exact same statement made by a child to Jon and he reacts like a child himself.

When Kate did it, it was wrong, but now that it's flipped around and Jon has done it, there are excuses made for him. There is something odd about that.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
<99>I don't think shes a bad mother HOWEVER I'd love to be a fly on the wall, I bet my life that she does nothing but talk negative about Jon in front of those kids. She'll do anything to keep those kids on 'her side'.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Subjective conjecture.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
ha ha, I saw that change Ahnicka!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
5900+ posts about this show, and probably 95% of them are only opinions based on watching a TV show. Very little of what people assume has any basis in fact.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
LOL, shhh Huk!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
<---- zips lips after ripping her own tongue out

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
<---- has actually never even seen the show, but has opinions anyway.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
...and watching antics in the media, interviews, and listening to recordings. LOL.

Grooch
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06-16-2006

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 11:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grooch a private message Print Post    
I don't think shes a bad mother HOWEVER I'd love to be a fly on the wall, I bet my life that she does nothing but talk negative about Jon in front of those kids. She'll do anything to keep those kids on 'her side'.

That's a large bet. I hope you are wrong (for the kids's sake). But at the same time I don't want you to lose your life over it. (just joking around with the recent posts. No harm meant.)

I just wish that both parents can find peace and do what's best for the kids. They both need some time to sort it out. Glad the show is over.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
The television program is over...but I bet (not my life, but a nickel) that the show ain't over just yet.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Ok I missed it, what did Jon do when one of the older girls said they have more fun with Mommy?

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
The twins were acting up and imo Jon was right in having them leave. We don't know if he addressed the issue later. I don't believe in rewarding bad behavior regardless if the family is going through a divorce. Mady was a brat before the divorce and she's still acting like a brat. She's not a very likable kid. They've tried the talking to her parenting bit numorous times and she's still hasn't changed her ways. Maybe being dismissed was the right thing, at least he didn't have to hear them whine the entire day and you know she would have.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Kitty...Huk wrote up exactly what happened in her
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 7:38 am post

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Ok I read Huk's. Why punish the other child?

When my child tells me how they do things differently at her dayhome I go thats nice but you are home now and we will do it this way.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
No one is suggesting that Jon tolerate poor behavior. But kids do what they have been taught, so they need not only to be *punished* but they need to be taught differently.

The adult thing to do would be to give a *CALM* warning. "That behavior is unacceptable, and if you continue to do it, you will have to leave." If she continues, then you follow thru.

But telling a child "I'm in charge," (LOL, apparently it wasn't obvious, so he had to tell them?), and that he was throwing away the poster, that was just childish stuff. Especially in response to the *truthful* comment, I like the things we do with mommy better.

Acting like a brat doesn't teach children how not to be bratty either.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 12:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Acting like a brat doesn't teach children how not to be bratty either.

Nope. In fact, it teaches them how to be bratty.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 12:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Maybe I should have said brattier

I think the lesson Jon taught all the children in that exchange was impatience, lack of respect and that exchanges of temper are acceptable.

Personally, I just don't think it was a good life-lesson on any level.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Maybe Maddy's problem is she feels lost in the crowd? I think if older girls got some one on one time, there will be less issues.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 4:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
I hate that the child is being labeled a brat. She's not a brat. She may act bratty at times, but she's not a brat. She's a twin that has a bunch of young siblings and her parents are going through a divorce. Sure those two were fighting over markers when doing the poster, but that's what kids do. The comment to her dad really SHOULD have been addressed calmly and quietly or ignored completely.