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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 8:29 pm
Having grown up in Pennsylvania I will say there are certainly laws about where you can discharge your gun legally. Probably not over the fence of your backyard into someone else's property.
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 10:06 pm
Terribly scary firing a gun through thick trees into other property. There could have been neighbors taking a stroll, or even papparazzi trying to get a photo ( Yeah, I know, paps are a pain, but you can't just shoot them). This just doesn't seem to be a rational thing to do.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 7:36 am
paps are a pain, but you can't just shoot them Well not according to Kate!! Remember when she told the kids to shoot them--maybe Jon was just delayed in following her orders!! JOKING!
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 9:30 am
Jon & Kate Plus DIVORCED TMZ has learned ... It's official -- Jon & Kate Gosselin are divorced. Judge Arthur Tilson has signed the final papers, making Jon and Kate officially single. Mark Momjian, Kate's lawyer, tells TMZ, under the agreement, "Our client will continue to reside with all eight of her children in the former marital home." As for Kate, she says, "I am very relieved that our divorce has been finalized, and I look forward to the New Year, focusing on our children." Kate calls the divorce "challenging," and says she will now focus on "restructuring our lives." As for who got what, Momjian simply says, "We are very pleased with the final outcome." Judge Tilson inked the docs after the arbitrator came down with his ruling on how Jon and Kate's property will be divided.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 9:33 am
For heaven's sake, Kate pointed a decommissioned cannon at the paps. Jon seems to be firing an actual firearm, WITH ammunition. However, just because he is firing past a fence doesn't mean that isn't part of his property, so I'm not assuming he's firing towards the road or any neighbors. Still not a good thing to be doing and I still wouldn't be trusting him with a loaded gun anywhere near me or any kids.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 10:02 am
Jon Gosselin -- Backed Into a Corner Posted Dec 18th 2009 11:25AM by TMZ Staff Jon Gosselin is in immediate financial trouble now that his divorce from Kate Gosselin is final ... because he got nailed with huge child support payments and has no real way of paying ... sources tell TMZ. We've learned under the arbitrator's award, Jon must make huge child support payments -- we're told 5 figures a month. And here's the problem. TLC has now shut down Jon's ability to take outside jobs. The irony -- he did himself in. We've also learned Jon was charged every penny of the $235,000 that he withdrew from their joint account. That amount was deducted from his piece of the settlement. As for Jon's claim that Kate should be docked for money she withdrew ... we've learned Jon struck out. The arbitrator determined every penny she withdrew was for the benefit of the kids. Under the terms of the divorce decree, Kate has primary custody and Jon gets visitation -- both Jon and Kate agreed to that in advance. And, they agreed, neither party would get spousal support. Score a big one for Mark Momjian, Kate's lawyer. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0a3pMPr4n
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 10:15 am
Good, it's over. Divorce is never happy, but I am relieved for them all that it is finally over. I am so relieved for the kids that Kate gets to keep the house. Those kids will do better not having to move. They are so famous that they need the seclusion that property provides for them. Not surprised about the huge child support payment. If he had a house close by that is big enough for them and had conducted his life with their best interests in mind, he could have had the kids more often and not have to pay so much in child support....not to mention that it would be better for the kids emotionally to spend more time with their dad...if he were stable and responsible and a good role model etc. But he chose a bachelor pad far away. Maybe all this will make him mature and then he'll have a better relationship and more time with his kids.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 10:15 am
And here's the problem. TLC has now shut down Jon's ability to take outside jobs. Well, that reporter isn't telling it quite like it is...maybe he can't take "celebrity" type jobs, but he can work in IT or some other normal job. He made his bed when he took the advice of people like Michael Lohan. He should have just taken TLC's money for doing nothing instead of shutting the show down.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 10:21 am
Interesting that they saddled him with five figure child support payments. As far as I know, he has no income currently; and generally child support is based on what you *could* earn if you got a job. I'm not sure that Jon has any skill that will earn him that kind of money. It may send him crawling back to TLC.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 10:31 am
I'm not sure I understand either how a court system expects him to pay child support when he has no income. I'm not sure who Jon took advice from, but he screwed this up royally!
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 10:50 am
What is the dollar amount that Jon has to pay? I can't seem to find it. Just curious.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:11 am
If it's true that child support is in the 5 figures per month range, couldn't he have that amount reduced if he took a regular job?
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Rissa
Member
03-19-2006
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:13 am
Brenda I thought the same thing. Child support is based on income, isn't it? For whatever reason, Jon has none. At least for the time being. I have to doubt the slant if not the information contained in that article. Jon and Kate both agreed to the agreement without a single protest from all reports. Why would Jon (and his lawyers) agree to a complete slap-down (from the bias the article seems to have). Just one example... the article says that the 235,000 Jon stole is being taken out of Jon's half of the settlement but from all accounts Jon paid back most of that money months ago. So he has to pay it back two-fold?
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Kathyb
Member
05-17-2006
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:16 am
You don't get off the child-support hook just because you don't have a job. He needs to get one as quickly as possible and then go to court to reduce the 5 figures to a more reasonable amount.
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:29 am
Jon is so stupid...........good for his behind. Say what you want about Kate; I am convinced she does the right thing for the children.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:34 am
The thing is, "5 figures" may be only $10,000. Which, in actuality, is probably not far off of what it takes to keep 8 kids in private school, clothed, housed, etc. There are insurance premiums, dental and ortho bills and lots of other expenses that the court takes into account. What's more, you have to assume that, with the division of assets, Jon is not completely penniless. Child support is based on those assets as well as income. Until he gets a job, Jon has to curtail his trips to Hawaii, Utah, DC and other adventures and spend the money he DOES have on the children.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:34 am
It's official -- Jon & Kate Gosselin are divorced. Congratulations, Kate.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:47 am
child support, at least in my state, is not based on your assets per se. It is based on the income you can be reasonably *expected* to earn, based on previous employment, and regardless of whether you are currently employed or not. As far as assets are concerned, it would only be based on *income-producing* assets, not things like houses etc.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 12:00 pm
I know that houses and cars are not considered, but considering that Kate kept the house, one has to assume that Jon's portion of the split was primarily cash and investments. They would take that amount, assuming it's a large sum, into account. The irony, of course, is that Kate will use the money he pays her to pay the mortgage on the house that she got in the divorce, so she's essentially getting back the money she gave him in the split.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 12:09 pm
I don't know how much equity there was in the current house. Jon would only get 50% of that equity, not the value of the house. And it sounds like much of the cash/investments are in the childrens' names, so nothing there for him either. I'm unsure how much other money they might have had.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 2:39 pm
Just an FYI; TMZ's live stream show had a question asked of how much longer is Jon's contract with TLC. One of TMZ's workers stated they think it's for another year. This wasn't definitive, it was a guess by a TMZ person and it wasn't expounded upon. If he is accurate, then it puts a little different spin on things and makes it even more unfortunate for Jon.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 3:02 pm
Can't TLC just cut him out and then they can both go their seperate ways? Not like either one of them wants to work with one another lol
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 3:50 pm
I just bet old Jon would almost sell his soul to the devil to get back into the TLC fold again.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 3:54 pm
I thought he was trying to get that show with the Lohan father going. Divorced Dads Club or something like that?
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 18, 2009 - 5:05 pm
Yes they were planning that but then I guess Jon dropped Michael Lohan.. after Michael introduced him around to Jill from RHWONY and the Star reporter who quit her job to be with Jon. Michael wasn't happy about the way Jon treated her and has publicly washed his hands of Jon (of course Jon is better off without Michael Lohan on his team.. uh, except for those taped conversations that made it clear that Jon thought he could scoff at the contracts he signed with TLC and get away with anything. However, I think it was his attorney (the one in NY) and sone (his manager) who convinced him or helped him to have his sudden "epiphany" about the kids and the show and to mount that ridiculous sign that spelled his own name incorrectly on the gate and oust the TLC camera crews from the property, while he continued to talk to the "fans" and paps.. and even hire one of the paps as his bodyguard (shades of Brittney and Adnan (sp)) So Divorced Dads Club is likely to sink or swim sans Jon Gosselin for now, at least. Jon owes money to more than one attorney.. wonder if he can break his lease in NYC (if it is a lease and not a mortgage). I'm sure they did split whatever proceeds they got from the sale of their former home in PA, but of course we don't know how much equity there was there. I suspect Jon will end up on PA'd deadbeat dad file at some point (way back when I worked for County of Orange I actually wrote the program that tracked the deadbeat dads/moms.. cheerfully called the "Bad Daddys file" by the department who used the reports. We had some BIG offenders since Orange County residents range from poverty level to extremely wealthy. (Think John Wayne, Dennis Rodman, Kobe Bryant, Reggie Jackson and many others over the years and there are some families much wealthier)
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