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Serate
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08-21-2001

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 7:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
For the life of me I can't understand how Overbearing and Dominant trumps Infidelity these days? Yeah,Yeah I know I will catch flack for that,but I just have never been able to "make excuses" for any form of cheating.Just Sayin'

It doesn't IF it's true. Circumstancial evidence so far. Presumed innocent until proven guilty. And he's said he did not cheat. And Kate believed him and defended him, until the next week when it was reported she was cheating. Then she just didn't know where he "was".

I don't think either of them cheated. Even if Jon was having sexual relations with another woman, I do believe that be it Kate or Jon who initiated it, it is true that back around December they said the marriage was over, except for the TV show. IF indeed that is true, in my opinion either of them could screw whomever they pleased. My opinion only.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
i haven't seen the kids exhibiting signs of stress. all we have is the aunt saying one of the little ones said something...again, suspect imho.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 7:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
I am going to Wal-mart to buy a fan to cool off this board,I'll brb..

Chy
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07-19-2003

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 7:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
To me, it's just a start in the long line of entitlement the Gosselins seem to portray.

I did miss that. Thank you for bringing that up, Serate.

But if you're basing the cheating or not on what the sis in law & brother told about how the marriage was over since December, I don't trust those two either.

Until one day when the four of them come face to face and tell us which part they ever told was true, I don't believe those words.
Again, just because Kevin and his wife said Jon came to them to cry about that and all the rags used it at least once as headline, doesn't mean it's true. I want to know how much Kevin was compensated for all those web casts and TV appearances! If their only concern is the children, they shouldn't be out stirring the stinks at J&K's worst moments for one thing.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 7:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Maybe Jon didn't realize she was overbearing and dominant when he married her.




Serate
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08-21-2001

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 7:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
But if you're basing the cheating or not on what the sis in law & brother told about how the marriage was over since December, I don't trust those two either.

Actually Chy I do NOT believe - and I stated this in my post above - either Jon OR Kate have cheated physically. [Emotionally, that's another story.] Do I believe Uncle Kevin and Aunt Jodi? I have no idea because I have never read or seen anything they have said beyond what has been discussed in here. I just stated that IF they had said their marriage was over - and I makes sense to me that they would - then to me it would not be cheating if either were sleeping around. A marriage license in my opinion is NOT what makes you married in your heart, nor is a divorce decree what makes you divorced in your heart.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 7:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Oh and FWIW I don't need a fan to cool off. I need a blankey, it's kinda chilly tonight.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 7:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
As far as I know, Kevin & Jody were the ones who said something like, ... six months ago, Jon came to our door and told us that Kate threw him out and told him it's all over. Except for the tv shows, they are not considered a couple any more.

Around the same site, they also said they (KEv & wife)haven't seen the family for more than a while(can't remember, more than 6 mon., since that's how I got suspicious.), but still posts as experts to tell us how one of the little ones had told them their dislike of having cameras in their face all the time.

Other posters would fill me in if that's not true. But my point is that, since the only talk about how the marriage is over was from Kevin and Jody, it absolutely doesn't make it okay if Jon cheated physically or only in his heart. Worst yet, giving the appearance as a cheater! (Never mind the attitude that says: Whatever every one else want to think, I am still going to be Jon myself, not the Jon in Jon & Kate Plus 8. I'm still going to bar hop and play a ski bum and vacation as if I am a single man!)

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 8:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
(Never mind the attitude that says: Whatever every one else want to think, I am still going to be Jon myself, not the Jon in Jon & Kate Plus 8. I'm still going to bar hop and play a ski bum and vacation as if I am a single man!)


Amen Chy

Serate
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08-21-2001

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 8:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Chy thanks for filling me in.

I do want you to understand that where I'm coming from I do not believe either one cheated - physically. [Or at least at the time the rumors originally came out, there was no cheating.] It has nothing to do what anybody else said or did, except that Jon said he didn't cheat on Kate, and Kate agreed and defended him at first.

Stacey718995
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07-05-2007

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 8:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
I don't get the whole one trumps the other deal. This whole theory that one spouse did everything wrong so therefore the other has had this tragic existence put upon them for the last ten years is hard for me to understand.

It is like, if you are on "team Kate" then there is two pages on how back on March 27th he had something in his teeth and how terrible that she had to go through that so of course she deserved to belittle him over every other detail in his life.

Or if you are on "team Jon" then back on January 12th she burned the broccoli so of course it would only make sense that he went out and found a new cook.

I don't think anything trumps anything in this situation any more than I think I think one of them has earned the right to justify their behaviors to one another. These are two adults that screwed up their marriage together. I think they have unhappily been married for a long time. I also think that they could find happy positive lives without one another and that would be better for the kids. I don't wish divorce upon the world but two miserable people aren't doing their children favors staying together for their sake.

I also hope they are adult enough to realize that there is no other decision than 50/50 custody for those kids sake, they need both their parents.

I also hope they grow up and stop taking jabs at one another. There is not an adult out there that should not realize that it is wrong/hurtful/harmful to say something bad about a child's parent. There is no evidence at all from this show that these children are being harmed but there is no evidence that they are not, nothing about that show proves anything regarding the children's state in dealing with all of this. Seeing one of them throwing a tantrum is no more evidence than watching them laugh on camera.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 8:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
The whole one trumps the other deal,is to put it simply.IMO,(speaking only for me) Cheating trumps an overbearing,dominant and even pain in the ass wife.There is never an excuse,therefore it "Trumps" Kate's indiscretions. Plus,she never tried to hide her faults,and if Jon did,well he did a crappy job,then didn't he?

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 9:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I don't think anything trumps anything in this situation any more than I think I think one of them has earned the right to justify their behaviors to one another.


true. one bad behavior doesn't justify another.


i have to wonder if their marriage did work. i do not for one minute believe that kate wasn't type A/OCD before she married or Jon laid back and passive aggressive. i think that totally worked for them. they each got something from the other.
i can't help but wonder if it wasn't all of us arm chair analysts insinuating that jon wasn't a man for putting up with kate or jon was a fool for doing so, or kate was a shrew or kate was manipulative that made them doubt the mechanics of their marriage.
i know what works for my dh and me wouldn't for others and vice versa.

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 9:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
Let's all try to remember, what we see on the air and what we read in the tabloids is pure speculation. I know first hand that no one, not one person but Jon and Kate knows what goes on behind their closed doors.

Stacey718995
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07-05-2007

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 10:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
LOL I am reading my quote on your post Annie and I don't even understand what I meant! Forgive me, I am on really good meds right now!

I agree with you, I do think that it would be very hard to have the world point out to you what you should like or not like about your spouse. That is something that like only sister-in-laws (like I told my sis-in-law about my bro tonight) should be allowed to do, not all of the public.

I am probably alone on my thoughts of this, but in the past few seasons where everyone else thought that it was just part of their personalities to be passive aggressive or controlling, I just have always thought it was two people that didn't care for one another any more.
I think it is interesting how many people seem to have thoughts or hopes that they are trying to work on things and going to be OK. For example, being shocked that they didn't spend their anniversary together. I just get the feeling that they have very much moved on and the official paperwork will come when it does.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 10:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Oh I don't know that I ever thought they didn't care for each other early on,I just never understood what got them together to begin with!! LOL!! But as has been posted several times,Often the very thing that attracts you to someone is the thing that you end up despising.My husband's good qualities outweigh the bad by a landslide after 15 years,but there are a few small things I thought were just "the coolest ever!!" when we met that make me INSANE now!!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 5:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
after 15 years,but there are a few small things I thought were just "the coolest ever!!" when we met that make me INSANE now!!

AMEN sista! LOL
try after 25!

Delurker
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08-19-2005

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 7:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Delurker a private message Print Post    
Newest Headline...

http://www.popeater.com/

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Oh for gosh's sake! Look at the picture, she didn't even get an arm backswing...it's just a swat.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Spank? Looks like a swat. Probably a need one too.

Sarasmile
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02-09-2007

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 7:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sarasmile a private message Print Post    
How do we know from that picture that a bee didn't get up the baby's dress and Kate was helping to swat the bee away? That would account for the crying, the dress being pulled up, and Kate's raised hand in the air.
And sorry, I tend to call all little kids "baby". I know she's not an infant baby :-)

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 7:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
That broke yesterday and was surprised it was not being discussed here. That's all I'm say about that.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 7:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
considering we have never seen either parent even swat a hand, i tend to think it's something else.

but how did they get that pic? it looks like it was shot pretty close. makes me wonder if it's a screen cap from something else, which really makes me thinks it's been taken out of context.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Ok,went and looked at the pics and read the article.Big Woop,little Leah got a spanking.These are some cute kids,but with the tantrums they sometimes throw,I imagine spanking is in order.NOT beating,mind you,Spanking.(Before I get the 3rd degree..lol) Noone wants to see a child spanked,it makes most people uncomfortable,myself included.But as Paparazzi is their life now,I imagine they will have to get used to it.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Since I don't have cable, I hadn't seen this show at all until this week. I only heard about it recently when it made all the gossip sites. Perhaps that doesn't give me much of a complete picture of the whole family, but for the few shows that I've seen this week while spending time at my daughter's house I did form an opinion. I haven't seen any recent shows, but only the morning repeats.

My impression is, that Kate is in her control freak mode because she really thinks she knows what's best for the children. Right or wrong, she doesn't care what the world thinks, she's the mama bear and will take care of her kids in the way she thinks is best. My take on Jon is that he will be Jon no matter what. His life is his life and he loves his kids, but what makes him happy is what he is going to do. He'll be responsible for his children and take care of their needs when it makes him happy, but if he wants to do something else, that's what he'll do.

Of course, seeing more shows might change my opinion, but based on my limited viewing, that's the impression I got.