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Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
"a video clip of Kate denying water to the kids is referenced several times in the court file by Jon's reps"

What does that have to do with TLC? That is Kate denying water.


I wonder the same thing. In what context is this referenced several times, because I don't see how it's relevant. Ohhh wait, maybe that's Jon and his lawyer's way of pointing out that the show was bad for his children. It's the only thing I can think of.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 3:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
i can kinda see jon's about about normal employment, i doubt any regular employer would want to take on the hassles of hiring him (photographers ect), but i am not sure he's even tried to look for 'real' work.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I would think some employers would see hiring Jon as a benefit to their company if Jon's celebrity is as he thinks it is, because then it'd bring in more business and interest. Not all employers would like the extra interest, but there are some who would. I doubt Jon has tried to look for non-entertainment work.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 3:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
What amazes me is that Jon actually thinks he is entertaining. I sure wouldn't watch a show with just him. I only watched J&K+8 because of the kids.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 3:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Jon also says he is "too famous" for a normal job..

Had to clean off my monitor after reading that.
Note to self: Do not drink iced tea while reading anything Jon says.

Jon also states that TLC staged scenes for Jon & Kate Plus 8. "Plaintiff through its representatives and agents organize activities for me and my children

As in setting up things for the children to do that most kids never experience? I'm sure they did what most reality shows do in asking questions that lead them to say things that advance the story. But the children were treated like royalty wherever they went because of TLC opening doors for them.

Another headline-worthy charge from Jon is that TLC likes Kate more than it likes him! He states the network enforced the contract, "strictly and harshly towards me, while leniently, if at all, applying them towards my wife. The Plaintiff has promoted and even facilitated opportunities and appearances for my wife, yet attempts to restrain and enjoin me from making a living for my family."

It doesn't occur to him that Kate asked for and got permission from TLC as their contract stated? What planet is he living on? Doesn't he remember that he's the one who cut himself out of a television show that would have continued to pay him until February when it was up? He might have been able to find some way to earn a living between now and then.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 4:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
"a video clip of Kate denying water to the kids is referenced several times in the court file by Jon's reps"

What does that have to do with TLC?


It hasn't got anything to do with TLC. It didn't happen on J&K+8. It happened on a morning show they were doing an interview on.

I'm sure if Jon really wants to bring out all the unaired clips, he'll find himself seen in yet another unflattering light.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 4:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
what was jon/his attorney trying to prove by showing the clips of kate denying her kids water?

Kathyb
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05-17-2006

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 4:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kathyb a private message Print Post    
Mgmriver, I think you're right. The strain of having these 6 babies probably did doom the marriage. They might have stuck together without the show for financial reasons, but once the money began to flow in, that constriction was out the window. I think having so many infants all at once put Kate into a panic mode, fearing that if she didn't keep tight control, it could all fall apart.

Dipo
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04-23-2002

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 8:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dipo a private message Print Post    
I think that jon is saying that Kate can go on other shows and be paid, that might be why he references the video clip, and TLC doesn't stop her. But TLC stops him from going on other shows.

Not sure it is a valid point, but that was the first thing I thought of when I read it.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 9:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
LOL ya'll used the words jon and personality in the same sentenance. I still wanna know how that would stop him from an IT job. I have several family members that have IT jobs...and the all work primarily from home.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 10:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Shirley Babashoff, swimmer who set six world records and won 8 individual olympic medals plus a gold medal in a relay, has been a carrier for the post office not far from here for years, without huge problems except when she had to deal with a biting dog. It can be done.

People with much more fame than Jon could dream of having actually do work at regular jobs all the time.

I think his having been fired from his last real job and quitting his recent and then suing the employer would make him much less hireable than any media following.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
From Radar Online - Jon's statement:
In an affidavit filed as part of the lawsuit and obtained only by RadarOnline.com, Jon states: "Now, I find myself unemployed and without the ability to secure non-entertainment related engagements because the enormous Media interest, cameras, reporters and public interest makes it impossible to carry on normal daily activities, let alone find, secure and maintain a job with an employer who is willing to be exposed to the daily Media intrusions that has impeded by life."

I'm with Texannie. Nowhere does Jon say he's too 'famous' for a regular job; rather it's the fact that he's followed around by the media, which might bother a company enough to not want him to work there.

Was Jon let go from his previous job because of Kate's estrangement from his bosses' wife, who wrote Kate's book? I never really understood what happened there. I'm not talking about the first IT job, but rather the second job given him by Kate's then 'friend' and ghostwriter whom she is no longer acquainted with.

Regarding Jon saying that TLC favors Kate over him and was more lax with the rules for her, I totally agree with him.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 12:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
TLC favors Kate because Kate does what she is legally obligated to do. Jon told Kate to stop listening to TLC and to become an "independent contractor" like he was doing. She chose not to take that route and now he's mad that he's being punished for doing so.

Jon is like a teenager who gets grounded for breaking curfew whining about the sibling who got home on time being the "favored" one. He broke his contract, Kate did not. End of story.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 4:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Cricket, I think that job had been long gone before the book was even an idea. If I am right the last real job Jon had was one the governor's office had given him as a result of the publicity the family had gotten after the six but before the show started.

I don't take the claims made in the lawsuit too seriously, or against Jon anyway... it's all his lawyer's wranglings. But it is all rather amusing, like someone else here pointed out... if he can't work now because he is too high profile then what's his excuse for not holding a steady job BEFORE his kids were born? Was it the anticipation of being famous that kept getting him fired?

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 5:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Jon is like a teenager who gets grounded for breaking curfew whining about the sibling who got home on time being the "favored" one. He broke his contract, Kate did not. End of story.

child does remind me of a petulant child. LOL

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 7:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
TLC favors Kate because she is their pet..if they told her to bark in front of cameras I have no doubt that she would do it. God knows what else she would do for money

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
Angelicfairies2, those are my thoughts too. She'd do anything TLC asks of her and yes she would bark for them on command. What's sad about that is that the children see that mom has given the cameras and TLC control of the families life and they got it in writing. It's like TLC is the head of the household for that family. Scary when you allow a corporation run your family.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
In the past year just how many jobs has Jon applied for?

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I think that jon is saying that Kate can go on other shows and be paid, that might be why he references the video clip, and TLC doesn't stop her. But TLC stops him from going on other shows.

Not sure it is a valid point, but that was the first thing I thought of when I read it.


Thanks Dipo for your perspective, because I couldn't think of a reason that would be done, but your point makes sense. However, I don't think TLC permits Kate, but stops Jon from going on other shows as is evidenced by the many shows and print he's been in.

I think Kate acquires the permission and approval that is required per their contract, and Jon never asked for permission resulting in no approval for any of his ventures. Maybe because like some have pointed out he was feeling free after separating from Kate and went buck wild feeling like his own man and that he didn't need or have to get permission from anyone. But even if that was his mentality, it still violates his contract, and just like when children feel they're justified in doing whatever they want despite being told not to do it, and have consequences for their behavior, so should Jon.

It's not a good example to set for his children to throw caution to the wind and break the rules and break his word after he's signed his name in agreement just because he feels like it. He's teaching his kids that his word (a person's word) means nothing and that he (they) can break the rules/law at will just because he (they) feels like it.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 10:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Oddly enough, I caught the beginning of an episode that was dated 2007, where the intro stated that Jon was a full time IT executive, working outside the home. What is Jon's job history? It's very confusing.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Also confusing when Jon claims he was laid off and his former boss finally came out and said, uh, no, Jon was FIRED, not laid off, but they hadn't made tht public until Jon made the false claim of them laying off the poor dad of 8. He was laid off because instead of doing his job he was surfing the internet and soliciting freebies while he was supposed to be working.

I think what Jon doesn't GET is that they both signed a contract and many of Kate's appearances might not have been something she WANTED to do but done for promotion of the show. And for the ones she wanted to do, she apparently simply followed the rules and got permission. Not rocket science. You see reality contestants having interviews all the time but they have to follow whateer contract they signed and most of them aren't getting paid anything near what Jon was paid until he called a halt to filming.

Early on, both Jon AND Kate would go speak at churches and other venues but Jon said he just didn't like doing it, so it fell on Kate to perform those duties. Same with the books.

Jon just wants to do what he wants and contract? What contract?

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Also, Jon makes it sound like they let Kate do anything she wanted and not him but we will probably never know because HE DIDN'T ASK!! Perhaps TLC would have said yes to the majority of those appearances. Perhaps TLC has told Kate no to many of her requests. We have no idea, all we know is that Jon didn't ask and never gave TLC the chance to say yes or no.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 12:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
TLC is not to blame for Jon not gaining employement. Thats Jon's fault.

Dipo
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04-23-2002

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dipo a private message Print Post    
I believe the job that everyone is talking about where Jon got fired was the one before they were on the show. He was fired for always searching the web to find free stuff for his family.

I remember that other IT job that he had that allowed him to work from home so he could help Kate. I do not believe these two jobs are one and the same. I don't think we have every heard why he left the other IT job.

Oh and one other thing that I have been meaning to mention, Kate was never the morning person so not having Jon there must be hard, she always slept in and Jon got the twins dressed, fed and ready for school. IIRC, she admitted several times that was his job because she wasn't a morning person. Might be a reason why they don't make church.

At least that is what I remember, I could be wrong.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I think you are right Dipo and to be fair, the story is that Jon has never held a steady job for any length of time since he has been an adult (before he even met Kate) but he was only FIRED from ONE that we know of. The others he apparently walked away from.