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Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I don't think Kate would ever be away from her kids for that many days in a row...the amount it takes to be on TAR. If Jon really had offers to be on TAR, I wonder who his partner would be...Hailey?

Jon just doesn't get it...what parenting is all about. I think he used to. It seems to me that he got away from full time parenting and found he likes his life better not doing the full time parenting. (I do consider parents who work full time parents. I consider Kate a full time parent. While I don't know how much time Jon really spends with his kids, since he bought that place in NYC, I can't consider him a full time parent.)

I've seen the last 40-45 min of Kate's Monday interview. I thought she did a good job. She is a single mom with 8 kids. I certainly do not hold it against her that she is not going to church right now. I wonder if the people that are criticizing her for that are also criticizing Jon for not going to church and taking the kids to church too.

I'm am so glad she continued to keep some things private. She has done a much better job of keeping things private re: the Kevin and Jodi situation than they have.

She did a great job of not bashing Jon in that interview.

Maybe by Jon saying "if Kate would have done that" re: having relationships, the rumors that she had an affair with her bodyguard will finally be put to rest.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 10:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Naja, if you don't consider the whole of Jon's message, perhaps that could be true.

I still can't get over that he said he was changing diapers and giving baths, the things he "expected his WIFE to do."

To me, that really tells his attitude. He didn't want to be doing for his kids - he thought he should get to play with them while WIFE did all the work!

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 11:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I hope someone writes a tell-all book that vindicates what Jon is saying. Many, many sources have said that Kate didn't really 'mother' those children. Again, I completely understand what Jon meant in the above statement about one might expect your wife to do.

Kate's been away from the children plenty in the last year. However, she wouldn't go on the amazing race because she might get dirty and couldn't wear her high shoes and short skirts which seem to have become her trademark.

I'm also concerned about Jon and hope he continues counseling and truly ends his relationship with Hailey at this time. He was once married with 8 children and then nothing. He didn't adjust well at all, but I hope he starts learning to. Sometimes life isn't fair; however, you have to try to do your best and not run away from your responsibilities. I wish he'd just stayed in PA close to the children and chilled; however, both he and Kate have figured out being in the spotlight is the way to bring money in, so that's what they do.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Happymom, I've found that the only things Kate keeps private and 'takes the high road' on are the things that are detrimental to her.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Naja, I understand what you are saying. It happens to me to.

I think in Jon's case when I take into account what Kar has posted and the numerous times I have seen video of Jon saying he had 8 kids before he turned 30 and didn't have a chance to go out etc...blah blah blah...to me...it really comes off as complaining.

He (and anyone else who does this pity party thing about being a parent) is so off putting to me. Kate is only about 2 yr. older than Jon. She is in the same position. And she even sympathized and showed empathy for him in that position and arranged for their Florida vacation (just the two of them) as a surprise for him so he could go sit on the beach. (his wish...something he had wistfully been verbalizing to her)

I think Kate said it right in the Monday interview when she said in response to Natalie Morales' question about Jon never having a chance to grow up because he had 8 kids by the time he was 27: "Once you become a parent, it's too late to worry about what should have, could have, would have been done. I think by the time you're a parent, it's not your own goals anymore, it's for your kids. I don't care what age you are. That's part of the responsibility of becoming a parent is am I ready."

Jon just seems all about himself. I dislike him a lot and more and more as time goes on. I really hope for the sake of his kids that he changes for the better.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 12:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I think Kate has spent many more hours with her children than women or men who go to their full time jobs away from their kids.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Happymom, I agree with that statement. I work fulltime and I know I dont spend enough time with my daughter. Breaks my heart too.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Amen to that! I never thought I wanted to be a stay-at-home mom until I had my children...and I knew it wasn't going to happen but still you realize how important it is once that baby is done. Everything else seems insignificant.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I miss being at home with Alison. She is 4 now. :-( The time is just flying by.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
What it really boils down to, is what Jon used to say in the opening lines of the show (in earlier seasons). Something to the effect of how he was happy with the twins and didn't want more kids. Then they tried for just one more... and well, you know the rest!! Guess he just should have said NO!!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 2:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I hope someone writes a tell-all book that vindicates what Jon is saying. Many, many sources have said that Kate didn't really 'mother' those children. Again, I completely understand what Jon meant in the above statement about one might expect your wife to do.


If Jon contributes to the book, how will we be able to believe anything he says - Kate, his current girlfriend and Jon ALL admit that he lies. It's a serious issue.

So, for one thing, he hasn't said she didn't do any of it. His expectation is apparently that she should do all of it. They are WIFELY things, not husbandly things, in his mind. I have a problem with that. A big one. Plus, imagine what his kids will think one day, when they realize how much he resented caring for them? Yeah, it's always all about him, not those poor children.

And even if he did say that Kate didn't do any of it (which he hasn't), why would we believe it from him? An admitted liar? Everything he says must be taken with a grain of salt, or ten.

At the same time, I hardly think Kate was the perfect mom. I've never said so. I have said that she is OCD, and that is very very hard on kids; although in my experience if Dad can handle that, the kids learn to handle it too. FWIW, OCD moms usually bathe their kids too much, not too infrequently. :-)

Much better of course if she would get some help for that, and make it easier on her children that way.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 2:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Kate is a mother to those children. She might not fit everyone's definition of a "perfect mother", but she is their mother.

I'm pretty sure if my mother's parenting techniques had been held up to people's scrutiny, people would have thought that she was way off base.

However, she managed to raise 8 children to be responsible adults.

Every family is different. Moms and Dads divide child-rearing duties in a way that works best for them. There is no rule book, nor should there be.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Yeah, it's always all about him, not those poor children.

Well, this is just it for me, too. It always seems to be about Jon. The look of joy on his face when he talked about his women and fame-magnet versus the look when he talked about the children not praising him says clearly to me where Jon's main concerns lie. With himself.

His claims of wanting to stay out of the public eye, but publicly arguing with his girlfriend for pay just don't mesh.

To me, he continues to lie. To me, he continues to put his interests before his childrens' interests. To me, he says what he thinks will shed a better light on him, but he does not do the actions that prove what he claims he wants to be.

It's weak, at best.
And with eight children to share responsibility for, there really is not much room for such weakness.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 5:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Kel, if your mom put your families life on TV every week there probably would have been letters and articles written about her too. ;)

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 7:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Actually, Kate being OCD with that many children might have been a saving grace. She is pretty organized, which you have to be to keep things sane.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Thursday, November 05, 2009 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Cricket, I think you have to be super organized with 8 kids.

I have days I feel like I am falling flat with the one child.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, November 05, 2009 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Join me on the disorganized mom couch...there's plenty of room.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 9:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Hailey Glassman to Be Subpoenaed in Jon Gosselin Lawsuit

Jon Gosselin's girlfriend Hailey Glassman and his friend Michael Lohan are among the witnesses TLC plans to subpoena in a breach of contract lawsuit filed against the reality star, according to new court papers.

Maryland's Circuit Court of Montgomery County has granted motions filed by the network's lawyers to depose Glassman, 22, Lindsay Lohan's dad Michael, 49, as well as Gosselin's lawyer Mark Heller, manager Michael Heller, bodyguard Thomas Meinelt and his talent rep Matthew Kirschner.

In October, TLC sued Gosselin, 32, for breach of contract, accusing the Jon & Kate Plus 8 star of making paid and unpaid television appearances without TLC's permission. At the time, Mark Heller called the action "baseless" and said the network "exploited, manipulated and abused the Gosselins' vulnerability and financial hardship."

Gosselin, of course, is in the middle of another legal matter – his divorce from Kate.

Lohan had publicly stated at one point that he and Gosselin were working on a reality show together about divorced dads.


[People.com]

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Is it Thomas Meinelt who used to be papparazi until Jon became friends with him and hired him as a bodyguard?

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Michael Lohan seems to have had falling out with Jon, so I'm sure he will be happy to talk.

LOL.. Mark Heller accusing someone else of exploiting, manipulating and abusing? Snort!

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 10:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I wonder when he will wake up and smell the coffee?

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Rissa, yes that's him.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I gotta ask, when is the TLC contract up for renewal? If Jon really fealt that way he could had just refused to renew the contract.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Kittyab, I read this, but I don't know how accurate it is:

"TLC already knows Jon has been paid for media appearances and every penny will come out in the lawsuit. The paydays are in violation of his contract with the network, which has a clearly defined exclusivity clause. That contract is valid until February 2010, even though the show is no longer filming.
TLC has an option to renew Jon’s contract once it expires, thereby keeping him from doing projects on any other network.
"

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 3:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Ok if he only had till 02/2010 why stop the show now? He could had just not renewed the contract.