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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 5:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
She already had SIX with THREE diagnosed with fairly significant disabilities.. enough that they were on disability.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Texannie, When I mention the nails, the fake tan, the hair do I was describing how Kate had changed. No where did I say she shouldn't do things for herself. This is one way she has changed from the humble Kate who couldn't care less if people saw her in miss-matched sweats to now the Kate who fake tans and has a wide array of bikinis.

I think she's changed from someone who was grateful for the help and the handouts to someone who expects the handouts and preferrential treatment. Or at least that side of her that expects special treatment has really blossomed! When I read how high maintenance she is behind the scenes at these interviews and how she doesn't want her entourage to be seen, I feel like her ego has grown quite a bit. And maybe it's impossible to go through the celebrity and not change, but I think she clearly has changed and not for the better.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I just wanted to comment on something from the other day posted here. It was reported that there was second incident of the police being called to the Gosselin house. Well, it ends up it was a total fallacy. The report originally came from the AP, and from there others started reporting it. The next day, AP pulled the article from their site because it wasn't true. There was no second police incident.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 10:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Brenda, do you think it might be a function of the kids getting older and her having time for herself? I know when my kids were little (and lordy, they were only 2 of them and 4.5 years apart at that! LOL) I could have cared less how I looked. Didn't have time. But as they got older, I had the time.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 10:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Good point Texannie!! She does have more "me" time now. I also think that Kate saw how badly she looked on the show and set out to improve on that. I don't know about the rest of you, but I know when I see pics of myself, I cringe and want to improve. Imagine seeing yourself on TV.
One other factor is when she and jon started having issues, and started talking divorce. Changing your look or doing something for yourself during the tough times can be quite a boost.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I know for me, when i feel like my life is spinning out of control, the first thing i do is either color or cut my hair or go to sephora! LOL

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
No, I just think it's the more visible evidence that she's changed. The other evidence is just examples of her demeanor, how she talks to people, how she relates to them. I don't think, minus the cameras, she'd be like this. She has a big following, people who buy her books, pay to hear her speak, adoring fans who support her. She surrounds herself with yes-people, firing anyone who dares to disagree with her or not follow her orders. She has fallen into the celebrity trap, dove in head first and I think many of us agree she loves it and that's why she wouldn't even consider telling TLC it was time to stop. And Jon with his clothing line and diamond earrings and shopping around for his own show seems to be following in her footsteps! Seems he wanted to back out of the spotlight last fall, but now he's running for the spotlight as fast as she is.

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
Right on, Brenda!!!

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I just watched the episode where Kate takes the boys to the navy ship and then to the barber shop. It made me very sad. First, they are being trailed by the paparazzi and can't have any time without that intrusion. And Kate had the worst possible response: to encourage the kids to point the ship's guns at the paparazzi, telling them something like, "they're shooting us, let's shoot at them!" How very distressing that she would talk to her children about shooting at paparazzi, even in jest. There's no compass there.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I was surprised to see on 18 and Counting they let their little boys play with guns.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
The paparazzi are a normal part if the kids lives just like being filmed and being on TV are. Just like endless vacations,the latest toys, clothes, meeting celebs, doing talk shows and now we can add to the list endless gossip surrounding their parents for everyone to read google. These kids are living a life that is not exactly the norm. The little ones don't know any other way of life right now. But as they get older each one will have that moment when they realize that their lives are public domain. It might not happen until they are teens but it will happen. My kids went through their teen years relatively quietly but as is normal they did have issues with privacy and independence. When these kids are teens will they be able to go to malls and movies with friends without the paparazzi's hounding them. Even if the show gets canceled after this season and Jon and Kate exile themselves from public appearances there will still be the fascination with these kids. They'll never know when someone will pop out of a corner and snap pics or ask questions about their lives, what their parents are up to, and their siblings. Then you have to think that there are the nut jobs out there that are obsessed with the kids. It's all really scary if you ask me. It's a big mess and I don't think it'll get better.

Money, fame, fortune might not be what Jon and Kate wanted when this TV business started and I doubt they wanted to break up the family but that is what happened. It's never to late to try to fix things but then again I think both Jon and Kate are never going to turn their backs to a camera and that means the kids won't be able to either.

It's pretty sad as we all know.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 2:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
How "normal" can life be anyway when you are a sextuplet? So they have a strike against that right from the start.

I can't fault either J or K for doing the show and making money to support their family. Just as one example, six kids all simultaneously trying to go to University. That may be possible now but it wouldn't have been otherwise.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
My parents could not afford to pay for all of our college tuitions. And yet all 5 of us graduated college. We worked ourselves thru and got loans. What is wrong with the sextups doing the same?

ITA Lil.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I honestly don't know how you all did it, Julie, given the cost of University. So congratulations and I mean that sincerely.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 2:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
they could julie, but why is it bad if they parents want to provide the college education themselves? this is kind of a sore thumb with me. i was very blessed that my parents could pay for my college. my inlaws refused to pay for dh's cause it would 'make him a better man', and they constantly used my education being paid for as somehow a flaw in my character. ironically, my dh is adamant that our kids not have to struggle to pay for college the way he did.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 3:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I'm not saying there is ANYTHING wrong with a parent paying for college. (And it was not that hard in my opinion, for me to do. We just all got part time jobs when we turned 16, saved a good percentage, got loans. Paid them off the first few years after we got real jobs.)

My only point is that if (and I don't know that Jon or Kate have ever said this) anyone says that they are doing the show in order to put the 8 kids thru college, then I say that is not necessary. That each kid should be able to somehow get her/himself thru college. (And that is assuming all 8 kids will go to college.)

But really, I do feel that Jon and Kate each love the kids. I just don't think they see the big picture of the lifelong anchor they have put on all of their necks.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't see it as lifelong though. Frankly, they just aren't that interesting unless they deliberately work to stay interesting. The American/Canadian public is very fickle and has a short attention span. Three years from now we might barely hear of them.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I thought after the little kids were born the Governor presented Jon and Kate with full tuition paid from their state university for all 8 kids.

I guess it comes down to a private life vs a public life.

All 8 kids can be considered public people, via their parents which is linked to the family income. This has to have an impact on the way they begin to socialize as they get older especially the twins.

When you bring in all the nasty divorce stuff, girl friends, allegations of affairs with body guards that litter the internet...well at some point the kids will suffer.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 9:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Of course Kate has changed in the last few years.. I certainly went through changes going from my twenties to my thirties.. in the way I dressed, carried myself, transitioning from a long "un hairstyl"e to an actual style. I matured in many ways and presented myself differently, because I WAS different. And I didn't have any kids to help me need to grow up. It would be more remarkable if she hadn't changed as she went out of the home to speak in public.. I remember Amy Roloff more recently (a bit older) finding that she WAS good at public speaking and blossoming in that way and looking good while doing that. And Kate has been in front of a camera for a few years which would hopefully mean she felt more comfortable there. I watch The Little Couple and see that Jen is still uncomfortable with her time in front of the camera.. nervous laughs and such, EXCEPT at work where she is clearly experienced, an authority, comfortable and speaks well, despite the presence of a camera.

Julie I would hazard a guess that you and your siblings weren't all the same age when you hit college and also that college will be far more expensive by the time the 'tups hit that age to go. Of course there is always a way if there is a will. But I'm thinking especially for Kate it is quite important that her kids have that choice. The way they set up the trusts/wills each kid gets their money when they graduate from college OR at age 30 if they don't go to college and since then we hear that they do have funds for college. And while not every one has that, I think a pretty large % of parents would like to be able to provide that. And certainly provide for that before buying sports cars, expensive toys, etc.

And good point.. the horse is out of the barn now.. I don't think the paps would back off even if the show was cancelled tonight, especially with Jon holding court at the gate.

On the other hand, kids are increasingly used to a more public aspect to life with facebook, etc.. even 22 year olds like Hailey already have a googleable embarrassing life out there and she's not alone in that, so these kids won't ba quite so "out there". and with a proliferation of reality shows more and more kids are included in this sort of public life.

All the divorce dirt would be painful no matter what.

At some point most kids will suffer, and many will suffer much worse fates, I think.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 1:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
From ETONLINE:

"Jon & Kate Plus 8" mom Kate Gosselin is scheduled to interview with Larry King.

The reality star -- who announced her separation from her estranged husband Jon Gosselin on national television earlier this year -- will appear on CNN's "Larry King Live" for a primetime exclusive interview on Tuesday night at 6 p.m. PT / 9 p.m. ET.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
From ETONLINE:

In a new interview, Jon Gosselin says he no longer wants to be a part of the reality show that made him famous.

The "Jon & Kate Plus 8" dad tells Us magazine that he'd rather have a normal life. "I wish I had a 9 to 5 job instead of the nightmare I'm living. This is 24/7," he told reporters outside his $1.1 million home. "I don't even want to do taping for the show anymore."

He laments that he's locked into his contract commitments, making promotional appearances to make ends meet. Us estimates that he and wife Kate make $75,000 per episode. It seems Jon doesn't think that's enough to support his lifestyle. "I have two houses and eight children to take care of and I need to work," he told Us.

After speaking with the magazine, he taped scenes for an upcoming show in which he and the kids worked a lemonade stand to help benefit the Lower Heidelberg Fire Company in Berks County, Pa.

While serving refreshments and posing for pictures with local ladies, the TV dad wore a shirt that read: Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Jon Gosselin can go cry me a river

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
Someone call the Waaaaaaaaaahhhhmbulance!

I'm sure TLC is loving him these days..and his little g/f who calls them The Lying Channel

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
"to make ends meet." Gimme a freaking break!! 75,000 an episode? And they still need to work to make ends meet??

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
The "Jon & Kate Plus 8" dad tells Us magazine that he'd rather have a normal life. "I wish I had a 9 to 5 job instead of the nightmare I'm living. This is 24/7," he told reporters outside his $1.1 million home.

anyone else see the irony here?

he regrets his endorsements? how is he planning to 'make ends meet' then?