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Rissa
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03-20-2006

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Gee, if he hadn't shut the show down because it was so very bad for his kids then he would have hundreds of thousands of dollars more by now that he could just hand over. He gave up the family's income because it was dangerous to continue it but damaging his kids is ok for a hundred bucks or so? (and damaging is HIS word not mine)

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
We certainly heard that differently. I was hearing her say they didn't have to go and do all the time that it's okay to stay at home and hang out.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 8:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
for me, the bottom line is this is a couple who once loved each other very much. their marriage may not be what another might consider ideal, but they did love each. they are also two parents who love their kids. i will never doubt their love for them.
the ending montage showed all that, and that is how i choose to remember this family.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
That is the bottom line Tex. Life and people are not black and white and this family did have some great moments. In the years to come it will hopefully be those times that stick in the memories of the kids and not the mess of the last year.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 8:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Cricket, I'm not upset with Kate for asking to be the custodial parent because I never bought the 50/50 deal in the first place. Never believed she would share those kids 50/50 with Jon. Never believed she would split holidays or allow Jon to be there for all of them. She talks a good story, but she's a control freak and I fully expected her to go for full custody and allow Jon to see the kids when it suits her best, which is not on the holidays.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I should add I expected Jon to fight for the kids. Am surprised he didn't, but his recent behavior really speaks volumes. It's like he's ready to move on and start over as the single guy. Very sad.

I haven't seen the last episode yet.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 8:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Primary custody makes reference to where the children live. It's kind of a no brainer that Kate would have that. Do you really think Jon would move back into that house and raise those kids even if it were an option? He can't move them into his apartment in New York, and I can't see him giving up his batchelor pad.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 8:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Brenda stated:
Never believed she would share those kids 50/50 with Jon. Never believed she would split holidays or allow Jon to be there for all of them. She talks a good story, but she's a control freak and I fully expected her to go for full custody and allow Jon to see the kids when it suits her best, which is not on the holidays.

I thought the same, Brenda, but didn't want to call her a liar when she said it; however, she's proven she never meant to keep her word. I feel now that all of that was staged and was said for viewers' benefit to keep people watching the show when she was on it w/o Jon. However, things do change and one of them is Jon stopped the show. He finally stood up and became a man, Kate. Isn't that what you wanted? Irony, eh?

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 8:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Jon could have asked for primary custody. Jon did not have to agree with Kate getting primary custody. It was agreed to in mediation, therefore that means Jon agreed to it...it was not decided by the arbitrator.

Both of them said things when they announced the separation. Since then, many things have happened. As things change, as behaviors change, people may change their minds about what is best for the kids.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 9:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Kate's not allowed to change her mind. When she's sees Jon's outrageous behavior, his courting of the paparazzi, his sexual escapades that he brought into the house with the kids, his profligate spending, and his inability to stop lying, she's supposed to shrug it off and force him to take custody of the kids whether he wants it or not (and apparently he doesn't, since he didn't ask for it). Damn her for putting the best interests of her children before her obligation to "keep her word" in the face of that behavior.

Jon doesn't have to do a single thing that people have to do, like holding a job, providing for a family, staying faithful, or fulfilling your legal obligations, to be "a man". It's a teenager's dream definition to be a man just for denying his family an income, which is fitting since Jon's apparently trying to recapture his lost youth.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 9:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
It is definitely NOT crazy that none of the kids look like Kate. Its basic genetics.

Kathyb
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05-17-2006

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 9:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kathyb a private message Print Post    
Kate does not have the power to decide the custody arrangements. If Jon wanted shared custody, he would have every right to present his case in court. Apparently, he does not want that and I'm not a bit surprised. Taking care of 8 kids is a very hard job and Jon well knows it. He never had any intention of the kids ever living with him as evidenced by his choice of a home and new vehicle. As someone stated earlier nowadays parents are given shared custody absent any evidence of unfitness.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Just watched the finale. Am just filled with sadness over this family falling apart. It's such a shame they didn't realize the path they were on and try to get some marriage counseling and change their ways long ago. It's just a sad situation. And I feel bad for Kate (Surprise!). I thought Jon was pulling the TLC stuff to get some leverage to get partial custody, etc. But then he doesn't even go for it. So, what's the point of pulling the plug on TLC? Was it for spite? It's basically Kate's career that had been derailed.

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
I stopped watching the show but did watch tonight and wow how it amazes me how we can all watch the same show and see it differently, but thats what makes the world go round. What was Kate meaning when she kept saying that the house was the kids....what a bunch of bologna. That is Kates house for sure and for the first time I actually saw tears in Kates eyes, saying goodby to the show. Her cash cow. It wasn't time she kept saying. As soon as they separated it was time to take the kids away from the camera and get to counseling which by the way the kids still haven't been to. And for her to say that she never wanted Jon gone...give me a break lady, you kicked him out what did you expect. And for her to also say that Jon is still the kids father and she wants him to be involved and she doesn't want to say anything bad about him to the kids, why didn't she think about that years ago and treat him decently.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I wonder when that was filmed. I nearly choked when she said "I won't try to keep Jon from the kids". Um, what about that birthday party. What about Thanksgiving. Um yeah. And I saw the first real tears as well. And yes, they were about losing the show. But I still feel bad for her for losing this show as it is her career. I'm still peeved that at last interview the kids were still not in counseling.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 11:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Funny, the thing that stood out in my mind about the whole thing was when one of the twins said "I like the things we do with mommy better" and Jon got upset with them. He told Mady and Cara they had to stay home with a babysitter after being rude. Sorry, but in my world that was NOT the way to handle that situation. My parent's approach to that situation would have been something like...I'm sorry if you aren't having as much fun with me as you do with your mom/dad but maybe if you give it a chance, you will start to enjoy yourself. I've just never thought punishing the kids when they say something that hurts your feelings is the right way to handle them. I remember mom babysitting kids that would say in their nastiest voice "I hate you". Mom would hold them still for a second and say "I LOVE you and no matter what you say to me, I always will".

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 23, 2009 - 11:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I didn't like how Jon handled that either. It felt very Kate-like to me! It make him look bad, grumpy, uninterested in his kids, etc. I was suprised they ended up staying home and didn't get to go along. Seemed a bit extreme to me.

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 1:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
Well, the reason they have been "having more fun with Mommy" is the fact that TLC has been paying for her to take the kids on trips, to the beach, the dude ranch, etc. while Jon has been staying home with the kids on his days. Kate was so upset that the first visit to the farm next door was the last time that they would be filmed. Does that mean that they can never go there again. She is just upset that they couldn't be filmed. It also seems a bit funny that the neighbor was about a mile away and they were walking....and all of a sudden the neighbor showed up with the hay wagon. Wouldn't it have been more honest if she just said that they were going to go on a hay wagon ride over there?

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 1:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
That wouldn't be true that the girls are having more fun with Kate because of trips since the girls didn't actually go on those trips. Well, they went to the beach, but left early. They didn't go to the dude ranch and they didn't go to the farm.

Obviously the girls were trying to play the parents against each other and that should have been addressed directly. Not by punishing the girls but just by telling them that you know what they are doing and it's not going to upset you and going on with what you were doing.

While I thought Jon was rather abrupt with the girls, particularly with the one left at the table (Mady?) after the first one stormed off, I really don't have a problem with parents disciplining their kids for "attitude". While some of it can be ignored, it's better if kids face natural and logical consequences for their behavior. I think that it escalated too quickly, (they could have been warned and then a follow through on their bickering when it started) but I can see how frustrated Jon was in that moment and he was doing his best, which is all anyone can ask.

I didn't like Jon's attitude at the lemonade stand. I felt like he was performing for the audience of gawkers and the papparazzi. The kids were just standing around until the firefighters took over as "babysitters". It just didn't seem right.

I thought it was silly for them all to walk to the farm, but at the same time, it's a mile and you shouldn't have to load all six kids into the car just to go down the road so I can see what the thinking might be. One summer I took my 5 nieces and nephews, aged 4-9, to Disneyland. For the month before we went, we trained by going on walks and hikes every day so that they could handle a day on their feet without whining. Like Kate said, these kids need a little more of that.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 4:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I didn't blame Jon for being upset when Cara made that comment about mom. It would be hurtful and Cara knew it, she's old enough. I would think that both parents will get a lot of that while the kids adjust. I was a bit disapointed to see that he didn't go talk to them later and make nice, seeing how they didn't show up for the lemonade. Perhaps he did though and that's why he saved them from being further damaged by the filming and it's really the 6 little ones he was mad at.

As an aside, I still cannot believe how many believe those kids all look like Jon. I think it's about half-half. Just because you can see the Asian in them doesn't automatically make them look like Jon. My sister's family is Chinese and she is so offended when people look at her girls and say they look like their dad. They are little mommy clones and it upsets her that people only see the Asian.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 5:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I think I would fight tooth and nail to stay in that house after seeing all the land around them. I have always loved the house, and this city girl could barely relate to their own property, but wow to the whole area!!!!

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 6:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
I never watched this show before, but decided to tune in for the finale. My only comment is:

KEEP THOSE KIDS AWAY FROM KITTIES!!!

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 6:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
New drinking game... take a shot every time Jon Gosselin gets caught lying or sticking his foot in his mouth. LOL The man doesn't need an agent/manager/attorney, he needs a PR guru and a speech writer.

Jon Gosselin Audio tape released

In a raw and sure-to-be controversial audio recording, Jon Gosselin rants against TLC and expresses disgust because "I put my kids out there to every pedophile on the planet and they never got paid for it."

The recording was obtained exclusively by RadarOnline.com and includes Jon explaining that he began speaking freely in public because he thought TLC was afraid of him.

He accuses the network of taking money for deals with two magazines and is angry that they didn't share the wealth. It's clear that Jon believes his (supposed) knowledge of these deals means TLC will not stop him from talking - and making financial deals. He says "They haven't said (bleep)."

The Jon & Kate Plus 8 former star claims TLC got paid in a side deal and says "I put my kids out there to every pedophile on the planet and they never got paid for it? It's disgusting"

Jon then laments that he didn't start speaking freely months ago and explains he held off because "They (TLC) tried to scare tactic me."

But by the time this recording was made several months ago it's clear that Jon will no longer be "Scare Tactic-ed" and he says if he reveals that the network took money for the magazine deals the network would take a big financial hit.

"If that information became public, can you imagine? Their stock would tank," Jon says.

RadarOnline.com has confirmed that contrary to Jon's belief, TLC was not paid for either magazine interview, both of which were done for publicity.

Jon's recorded conversation took place months before TLC proved his assessment of their inaction wrong by filing a breach of contract lawsuit against him and hiring one of the best law firms in the country to press the matter. The show aired its final original episode Monday after Jon withdrew permission for the network to film his children.

The recording comes at a key early point in Jon's battle with TLC and is a phone call with Michael Lohan, who worked various financial deals with Jon - deals that TLC says violated the exclusivity portion of Jon's contract.

Jon appears concerned about that clause early in the conversation, when he talks about evading photographers. But as he continues talking, Jon reveals that everyone knows he is now talking freely and makes it clear that he thinks he has TLC afraid to stop him.

It's pure Jon uncensored on the tape where he also dismisses his time with Kate Major and talks about how she complained he made her look bad. "You know like you know we hung out," he explains. "Still don't get it. (Bleep).

He also discloses that his relationship with Hailey Glassman began May 4th.

"I'm not stupid," he says at one point to Lohan, who is scheduled to be deposed by TLC's law firm, Williams & Connolly.


Kathyb
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05-17-2006

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kathyb a private message Print Post    
So let me get this straight: he believes that he put his kids out there "for every pedophile on the planet" and he's worried most about the fact that they didn't get paid for it?!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
for her to also say that Jon is still the kids father and she wants him to be involved and she doesn't want to say anything bad about him to the kids, why didn't she think about that years ago and treat him decently.


"I won't try to keep Jon from the kids". Um, what about that birthday party. What about Thanksgiving. Um yeah. And I saw the first real tears as well. And yes, they were about losing the show. But I still feel bad for her for losing this show as it is her career. I'm still peeved that at last interview the kids were still not in counseling.

Both are very good points.