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Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 2:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I'm sort of with OnlyHuman on it. If he intended to do this, would he have spoken the way he, and his attorney, did just days ago?

And a Press Statement made saying he's about to do it?

Yeah.

Hopefully, he IS learning from all the stuff he's done. Time will tell.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 3:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
This is coming from Michael Lohan, so grain of salt; plus wasn't he just seen leaving Jon's home only about a week ago? This is what he has to say:

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Michael Lohan & Jon Gosselin’s Bromance Over

After months of flaunting their bromance to the public, Jon Gosselin and Michael Lohan have parted ways in a bitter feud, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.

Lohan reveals he’s had it with the divorcing father-of-8, largely because of what he calls Gosselin’s increasingly “secret, distant” behavior and the way he treated Lohan’s close friend and former Star reporter, Kate Major.

In an exclusive statement to RadarOnline.com, Lohan explains:

Jon Gosselin sought a safe haven at my Southampton home through a dear family friend, Kate Major. When they arrived at my home it seemed that they were very close. After sharing an upstairs guest room I assumed things were intimate between them and questioned Kate.

I sat Jon down and told him that Kate is like a daughter to me, and he better be straight with her. I asked him if he really wanted to be with Kate or if he still wanted Hailey [Glassman].

Jon said that he wanted to be with Kate and even went so far as to tell her to quit her job (against my advice) and he would hire her. Kate subsequently quit per Jon's advice and promise. Even my fiance Erin told her not to quit her job, but Kate trusted Jon and quit.

After getting to know Jon and hearing how he said TLC was ‘screwing’ him, I then introduced him to Mike Heller, and Mike introduced us to his dad, Mark [Heller]. The three of us cut deals to represent Jon, and representation documents circulated. But as time went on, I was cut out. Albeit, Jon began to become secretive and distant, regardless of the deals I brought to the table. A book contract was even breached without any consideration. All because other people wanted a bigger piece of the pie.

As of late, contracts have been breached, legal ethics violations have ensued and Jon has become a different person than I thought he was.

Were his words to me words? Or sincere? Looks like the before said.


[Radar Online]

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 3:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Ahnicka, to answer your question: For those of you who regularly watched J&K+8 over the seasons before all this began, was Jon articulate on the show?

No. He was not very articulate on the show.

I don't think he wrote those stmts. that are posted within the last couple posts. I don't fault him for them though. (I don't really believe him either as his public actions have not matched his public words in a long time. I do think it is a publicity stunt.) When I give a presentation, I do not speak the way I would conversationally really. I don't have advisors to help me though, lol. Anyway, I do hope he is sincere with the stmts. He really needs to start doing a better job. He really seems like a mess. Can't stand the guy, but I wish for the kids that he straightens up.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 3:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Thanks for answering Happymom, I hadn't paid much attention to him before so I had no clue. Well I guess we'll all find out soon if he's genuine this time by his actions. I'm still concerned by the team he's surrounded himself with, they don't seem like the most upstanding people...and now to read that Michael Lohan is who referred them. I hope he's being careful with them, I'm worried they may take advantage of him.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 4:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Colour me surprised... TMZ is reporting Jon and Hailey have broken up.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 4:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Hmm, interesting. Timing and circumstances are very weird. Something is up.

Minor detail: the link above is actually to Radar Online not TMZ.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 4:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Part 2 on the insider had Kathy Griffin on the panel with Haley - I only can watch so much - but Kathy shoved her book over to Haley and said she hoped she can learn or use something from her (Kathy's book about Kathy's ex - she didnt come out and say it but I know that one of the problems Kathy had with her ex was he kept taking money out of the account...)

anyway - just thought it was funny...

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 5:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Oops, sorry. That will teach me to try to multi-task. LOL

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 5:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
It would seem someone is trying to garner some sort of fame for Hailey. Jon is foolish to be anywhere near her at this time or ever.

According to ET tonight, they are doing an interview with Hailey on Monday, where Jon is there and Mary asks him to join the interview. Hailey co-hosted The Insider with Kathy Griffin tonight (watched less than 1 minute...ugh) What is with this publicity for her?? Is she telling Jon she wants to be a star or she'll dump him?

Whomever his advisors are, they are doing a lousy job. As for Hailey, she'll be old news by next week.

That TMZ report is just weird. They are off, but might be back on? Yeah..I agree with some of you...some kind of stunt or setup.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 7:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I dont get Jon at all. He shuts down the show, a for sure money maker. Now he is turning into a circus show.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, October 30, 2009 - 9:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Kathy said she and Kate sat together at the Women's conference in So Cal and she tried to get Kate to say something about Hailey.. asked repeatedly what Kate would want them to ask Hailey and Kate said she wanted to know what Kathy would ask Hailey.


Hailey said in a snotty voice, "she took the 'high road' " and Kathy in a not snotty voice said "Actually yes she did".

She also met Steve the bodyguard, says he is hot.. when pressed by the panel to say if she saw chemistry between Steve and Kate, Kathy said not really..

So with ample opportunity to "bust" Kate (it was promoed sort of like there would be something shocking), it didn't happen..

John and Haily can snark all they want about Kate taking the high road (even with some not so subtle slips) but he should thank heaven that she does take that road. He now has the bartender/nanny going on video to talk about Jon being suicidal and Hailey on ET for pay being "coaxed" into all sorts of things.. it isn't just verbal abuse.. she likened him to a "vampire" and that he took all his hurt out on her, that she had planned to go back to school but she cannot do that now, and she has to hide at home (in answer to did she cheat on Jon.. no opportunity, evidently)

Have to say, I've had plenty of therapy and willingly tried to do couples therapy on two occasions.. the second, it was marginally helpful, the first, which was at the suggestion of the other half, he having gone to that therapist longer than I had at that time, and the plan was we'd each pay for an hour. I'd have first half hour alone, then we'd have an hour together then he'd have a half hour alone. Well.. he didn't make it through the together hour, so I got all the rest.. therapist was quite surprised but really happy with my openness and willingness to talk and engage, etc.

Needless to say that is an "ex" and was soon after that, but that therapist was great to work with long after that.

I cannot even begin to imagine trying to do couples therapy with someone as passive aggressive and blaming and angry as Jon...

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Michael Lohan joins one attorney and the guy who designs those ugly t-shirts (IMO, I'm sure they are loved by some) in being "done" with Jon and feeling taken/used by Jon and Lohan implies that the father/son attorney/manager were complicit in cutting Michael Lohan out of the money pie. Not that I think Jon should be hanging with Michael Lohan, but it does seem like he kinda used him.

My read on the Hailey on ET is that was Jon's way of getting around the TLC shutdown of him making money from ET but that the other "hosts" of ET went into exploit mode and drew Hailey out in ways Jon never imagined.. too bad, so sad, Jon.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
I can't imagine trying to do couples therapy with someone as domineering, controlling, and judgmental as Kate.

To-may-to, to-mah-to.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Passive aggressive behavior and controlling/OCD behavior are excellent reaasons for people to go into therapy. :-)

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
i have said it once, i will say it again...LOL people don't go into a relationship unless there is a pay-off for them. something about the other person attracts them, fills a needs in them.
i think jon and kate worked as a couple before all of this because their personalities meshed. kate's controlling/OCD personality balanced out jon's passive/aggressive/go with the flow personality and vice versa. jon knew what she was like when they married (i do think the chaos that babies naturally bring times 8 exacerbated them). i think he was fine with it. i think he became unfine with it when the press/people started calling him a wimp ect for putting up with it. i don't think he suddenly 'manned up'. i think he had a kneed jerk teenage boy 'you aren't going to call me names..i'll show you who's a wimp!' reaction and started acting out.
i think that's why he seems so incredibly lost right now. for better or worse, kate anchored him and kept him on track.
it may not be our perception of an ideal relationship (i don't think most relationships from the outside looking in appear ideal), but it did work for them at one point.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Jon Gosselin turns to Rabbi Shmuley

http://www.cnn.com/...

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 8:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
i think he became unfine with it when the press/people started calling him a wimp ect for putting up with it.

Totally. And that is why I think the show ended up wrecking them.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Their relationship was not healthy. We will never know whether it would have survived without the show, because it was quite unhealthy.
Show or not, good couples counseling AND individual counseling might have saved it.

But they would have had to stop blaming each other, and started working on themselves. Not such an easy task, for anyone.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
Exactly, Karuuna. I think the show just exacerbated problems that already existed. The show just brought them to crisis earlier than later. Both of them were at fault, both of them need to admit that, and both of them need to suck it up and do what's best for those children. And in my opinion that doesn't include continuing to put their family problems to such public scrutiny.

Kathyb
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05-17-2006

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 10:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kathyb a private message Print Post    
Texannie, I agree with you 100%. Imperfect as it was, this marriage might well have lasted had they not become involved with the show. I think Kate's controlling nature went into overdrive when she saw how passive Jon was (been there). Having said that, I think most would have leapt at the opportunity - who could predict it would end up so badly?

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Texannnie, you make very valid points. Kate's fiancee had dumped her because she was too clingy (so he says) and Kate wanted to get married and have children. Kate may have seen in Jon someone she could control and who wouldn't leave her; however, the show came and with it fame and Kate outgrew her need for Jon.

As some have stated, people started asking Jon why he let Kate walk all over him like that and he reacted; however, in an immature manner.

Thus, we have today. If not for the show, Kate would have needed Jon a lot longer and they may have made it through the rough patches.

They are both def. at fault and while Jon just blurts things out to the media, Kate slings her arrows in a more subtle way, like the little rhyme she stated on Ellen (code for Jon blew it.) She let Ellen state that the marriage ended because of an affair (Jon) and the problems they now face are becase 'someone of the two' talks to the media too much. Meanwhile it appeared extremely hypocritical of Kate to say that while SHE was on a TV show talking about the breakup of her marriage! Also...so very wrong to continue to let the media or anyone say that the reason they broke up is that Jon had an affair. That is so not how it happened, but of course Kate took the higher road re her talk with Jon about the marriage being over because that might incriminate her in all this mess and she can't play the victim on all the shows. I still don't understand how or why she gets on all these talk shows. Shouldn't she be home with her children?

I sure hope she gets a 'job' so she can buy that ring she's had time to pick out while she so busy supposedly raising 8 children all by her self.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
How sad: Aunt Janet passes away. I am sure regular watchers will remember her from the first year... she was one of the babies caretakers.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
aw..i remember Nana Janet. i am sorry to hear she died.

Their relationship was not healthy. We will never know whether it would have survived without the show, because it was quite unhealthy.

who's to say what's healthy. as long as a relationship works for both parties, then it's healthy, imho. i think, for them, their relationship worked until it was judged by the outside.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 3:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Totally agree with that. Kinda like Jon was obliviously happy... They sure did seem happy enough at the beginning. Jon seemed totally like he did not even notice when Kate was "pecking" him. Seemed to work for the pair of them! It really wasn't til people first started commenting on Kate's behavior to and with him that trouble started. This was way way way before any other love interests were involved.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 4:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
A relationship where honest and open communication isn't possible, in either direction, is by definition, NOT healthy. It may *survive*, but it is more likely to not survive. And that's according to all the research we have on marriages that last.

Everyone is happy at the beginning. But when problems are never actually cleared up, resentment builds, and eventually that catches up with the couple. If it hadn't been tv watchers commenting on it, it would have been his friends, or as he often said, Kate's complaining about his inability to stand up and be a man would have triggered it.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 4:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
While I do not disagree with that at all, my point is merely that the show wrecked/divided them. They may very well have wrecked/divided themselves years later. But maybe not as Jon may have never seen himself (or heard from others) just how poorly Kate was treating him. And maybe he would have strayed from her without even seeing any footage of them together. I fully believe that without the show, they would be together right now. Perhaps not forever and they likely would not be 100% happy and healthy.

I think it is just too bad that they did not just do a once a year special. Oh well, at least the kids will have enough $$ to go to college if they choose, but there was a high price that was paid.