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Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Unbelievable. Now I feel even worse for the kids and Jon--Mrs Gosselin gave an interview to The Today Show in which she talks about the stress and behavioral changes the children are undergoing because of the public divorce. So....the changes are expected, and what does Mrs Gosselin do? Go public, just to make sure the circle is squared. Here's a hint: if the public divorce is harming your children, the better thing to do is not to continue feeding the public fire.

BTW, I'm sure a large portion of that $20/person fee went to Rabbi Boteach, who is selling private tapes of Michael Jackson, among other things, on his website. And I'm sure the West Side Jewish Center also got a large cut of it: it's a huge and very wealthy synagogue.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
So is Kate still trying to get her nursing license back?

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Yep for some reason I find Rabbi Schmuley (sp) to be of questionable character. I don't know much about him except a little of his "work" and collecting of alot of money from Michael Jackson and selling the tapes of MJ, but the Rabbi certainly seems suspect. I'm uncertain of his motives, especially if he's possibly in cahoots with Jon's shady laywer and manager/rep, but hopefully he's on the up and up.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Ahnicka, I dont trust any of Jon's motives. He is all out for Jon.

BTW, like Kate I am a IVF mom. I think because I had such a hard time to have my Daughter, I am overly protective and extremely picky about what she eats & wears & school. So I imagine Kate is the same way just 8 times over. I get Kate with the kids.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
And he said it as if that was a big part of why he was unhappy. And that is why I think Jon is a neanderthal.

Karuuna, I don't see him as a neanderthal for saying that. I believe he was trying to say that Kate didn't necessarily do the 'motherly' things. She did cook and clean, but it seemed that Jon was completely in charge of bathing all of them. Not a lot of husbands would do that all the time.

When I see pics of the children with Jon and Kate, it seems it's always Jon they are hanging on, like the pic of the sextuplets first day of Kindergarten. Two of the girls are holding Jon's hands. The others are standing around, but none seem to be hanging on Kate. She is getting out of the car, but in watching who the children go to the most, it seems to be Jon, as if he is the mother.

Perhaps Jon was saying he was tired of being a Dad and a Mom. Maybe they needed to switch off chores once in awhile to break things up. They also had nanny/nurse help. I don't understand why Kate should still keep a nanny with all the children in school and no filming going on. That would be one less expense. Also, I was shocked to read in a magazine that she paid $5,000 a month for her security/bodyguards. Sheesh, once she stays off TV for awhile, perhaps she can get rid of that expense as well. I thought they were paid by TLC, as I've read that Steve N. has been with the show all along as a TLC employee; however, the bodyguards were listed as an expense for Kate.

Kittyab, will Kate have to take classes to get her nursing license back? How does that work?

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Cricket, I am not sure. I had heard she was looking at doing that. She could get a job as a private nurse.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Now I did most of the feeding & changing & bathing of my DD. When she was a new born dh helped some. Esp at bathtime, I was scared of her neck so he would hold her up and I would wash her. I miss those itty bitty days....

But I couldnt imagine 6 babies at once! Must had been like a production line then enjoying feeding & bathing them.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Kittyab, I'm skeptical of Jon too, LOL. I didn't know they were charging for that apology thing until Karuuna mentioned it. That just doesn't seem sincere to me to charge people to come hear an apology that you supposedly genuinely feel.

Also, wouldn't an apology be made directly to the person rather than to the public? I always felt like if you're a changed person, you don't have to announce it, it just comes through in your actions. I don't get the public announcements of stating you're a changed person. Just do it; no need to publicly keep talking about it by making media statements and appearances on shows to say it. When you're announcing it, it doesn't come across sincere; just do differently.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
If Jon was indeed like the 9th child then I can see how the children would identify with him, especially if he left Kate to be more of the disciplinarian than he was.

I don't know if what I said was the case or if what you said is the case, it's just a perspective I'm providing.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I believe he was trying to say that Kate didn't necessarily do the 'motherly' things. She did cook and clean, but it seemed that Jon was completely in charge of bathing all of them. Not a lot of husbands would do that all the time.

I didn't realize there were "motherly" things and "fatherly" things. I just thought there were "parent-ly" things. :-)

Jon wasn't working. I have no patience for him saying he expected his WIFE to be doing those kinds of things, as if he shouldn't.

He said quite clearly he was doing the things he *expected* his WIFE to do. He didn't specify how much time he should share in doing it, he EXPECTED THE WIFE to do it. You can't dress up a pig - it's still a pig, altho it's a nice try. :-)

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Hey it takes more energy to cook & clean for that brood then to bath them. Thats the fun stuff... I wish I got off that easy!

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
So he didnt like helping with his own children while she cooked, cleaned, made formula, laundry, and anything those 8 kids needed. If you asked me he got the easer load.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Cricket, you have to remember though that while Jon was complaining about diapers, bathing, etc that it was because Kate actually had a job outside the house. At the time they filmed the first special at least, she was still working as a nurse. If Jon had managed to maintain employment then perhaps his wife could have stayed home and done the *motherly* things he found so tedious.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Rissa, that does make a difference....

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 1:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I doubt either of them had much spare time during the early years...even when they had a lot of help from volunteers the burden of nurturing 8 small children would have been overwhelming.

I take back the word burden, by the way. Children aren't a burden, but just the every day drudgery of the tasks required to maintain such a household...does that sound better?

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Rissa and Karuuna, I'm talking about when Jon was still working in IT and Kate wasn't working. This was approx. the first through third or fourth years of the show. Jon bathed all the children at night and worked during the day. He also entertained them at night or on weekends.

I believe Jon still worked for two or three years at least after Kate stopped working. Kate didn't work while she was pregnant with the sextuplets did she? On a video of her on some show, she stated how she had to be on bedrest for the sake of her children during another of her, "Everything I do is for my children" blurbs, so when was she working?

I'm not sure if I saw the special or just started watching them when the show started. Everything I'm commenting on is from their show.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 2:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Cricket, I am not sure. I had heard she was looking at doing that. She could get a job as a private nurse.

Hmm, Kittyab, how would that work? Would she still get benefits and as good of pay as she might at a hospital?

I don't think it's fair to say Jon didn't like helping. He wasn't helping...he was doing.

While Kate is looking into/applying to get her nursing license back, I don't see her going in that direction. I feel she will use the children to get her further ahead in the entertainment business. You know, they want her to do a movie and they love the ring she's picked out with a mother or pearl for each of them and a diamond for her. Of course, she told them they could get a diamond when they had a 'job.' Umm, Kate, they've had a job for 5 years (not that they need a diamond ring, lol.)

I just don't have a high regard for people who say their 'children' want/need things that THEY really want.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 2:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Hmmmm....I'm thinking gestating 6 children pretty much qualifies as working...LOL!

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 2:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Hmmmm....I'm thinking gestating 6 children pretty much qualifies as working...LOL!

Lol...yes, Rissa and Kate has stated how hard it was for her. However, I thought you were talking about her working as a nurse at a hospital or somewhere. Since I've been watching, I've never seen Kate working in her former career. I'm not saying all these children aren't work; they are.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 2:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure Cricket and anyone who knows better can set me straight but my understanding is that the last real job Jon had was the one he was fired from when Kate was pregnant. Then after the babes were born the governor gave him some sort of looks-good-pr-wise job that he quit in short order and then he *worked* from home for a few months but never really said what it was he was doing or who he was working for (I mean freelance or an actual salaried position) and that was the last of any type of job. *Sources* (whatever weight that carries) have said that Jon's entire work history has been this way, never held a job for any significant period of time. You know what we need? Someone to volunteer a marathon session of watching the original specials and first season. LOL

ETA: During the first few specials Kate was often shown leaving and returning from her job at the hospital.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
The news and media has kept this family out there. Jon is doing his own thing and making headlines with his girlfriend..ex girlfriend..etc. Why is it so wrong of Kate to address some of the issues? I think she is doing the best she can being the mom of this family. I don't see Jon doing his part of being the dad.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 2:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Cricket, none of that changes what I heard in the context and intent of him saying he was doing the things he "EXPECTED his WIFE" to do. Sorry, but that is as chauvinistic a statement as one can get!

Even if you are working full time, so is mom at home during the day. And when you get home, you are BOTH EXPECTED to change diapers and give baths and whatever.

My ex was a neanderthalish kind of guy. But he never balked or complained or felt it was the WIFE"S DUTY to change all the diapers and give the baths. Never. He saw that caretaking as his duty as parent.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 2:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Oh, I think it's perfectly legitimate for Mrs Gosselin to be out there parading her stories in public if she wants to. I think when she starts betraying her children by talking about their emotional states, that crosses a line. The children have to have confidence that their parents are not going to make everything public every minute: it was wrong when Jon repeated things he alleged the children had told him (about Mrs Gosselin saying bad things about him), and it's wrong for her. It's a violation of trust. And to top it off, it's deeply ironic that she decided to publicly kvetch about the emotional costs of a public divorce.

I guess she likes to keep the TLC PR team fully employed and engaged.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
You'll never see Jon doing his part as a father because the media doesn't want you to see it. It really is that simple.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, November 02, 2009 - 3:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
From Wiki...

Kate was a Labor and Delivery nurse at The Reading Hospital and Medical Center, Reading, Pennsylvania. This is also where Kate completed nursing school. Penn State issued several articles around the time of the sextuplets birth confirming where Kate worked.

Kate also worked in a dialysis center. In the 2006 special, Living with Sextuplets and Twins, she stated she worked a double shift every other Saturday in a a dialysis center.