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Stacey718995
Member
07-05-2007
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 12:55 pm
I forgot to add Sea re: your list you printed. I rarely agree with lists but I think they hit it all dead on except for the result shows. I do think they are long and drag unnecessarily but this years AI final was one of the best I have seen. On the best, I didn't agree with America's Next Top Model, though in fairness I have just watched this too long. It is hard to remember why I liked it. Almost all that you haven't seen either have I. I would debate Jackass some and BB should be way higher. But overall, just the comprehensive list is really dead on.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 1:11 pm
Yeah, the lists were that way for me.. some might be higher or lower and several.. well i cannot judge but know they wouldn't be on my list at all, but in general at least it seems like the lists were compiled by people who watched the shows! I wish J/K didn't feel they had to answer to the public, but I think by now, they probably have to up to a point. If Jon had stopped the public displays back when it was reported he was partying with the college students when he stayed at his mom's place.. that would have probably been much better, but then it happened with the teacher and the overnight and those pictures, still they just denied, but then the teacher's brother broke the dam and others have piled on. Skiing with "my friends" could have been seen as just that if the teacher wasn't (supposedly) spotted there, now we have another woman (daughter of the plastic surgeon who did Kate's tummy tuck) and pictures there and more public bar hopping, so he's keeping it all public. Too bad, but it probably would have been difficult to keep under wraps forever; he seems to have some need to show off a bit and then complain about the publicity. I agree that it is the pits when ex spouses make points off each other at the expense of kids and that happens every day and that makes me squirmy. So far haven't seen that too much in the show, felt a little like Jon was trying to provoke a "you're my favorite" from the one 'tup when he was joking about her little friend being a boy and she said she only hugged and kissed "my parents" and then he asked if she missed him, which seemed like something he shouldn't have brought up on camera, the fact that he hasn't been around, and seemed to be wanting her to make some statement. She did say she missed him, not to be gone, then he deflected it as daddy's have to go away on business.. so I guess he considers his trips to be business as well. On the filmed trips, that would be true.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 1:46 pm
...any type of motive other than he wants the family and the kids to be left alone. I didn't read the blog...or any other blogs, books, tabloids, etc....but, um, if he wants the family and kids to be left alone, then why in the world is he blogging about them?
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Irismi
Member
02-22-2008
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 1:53 pm
Apparently, it is going unnoticed that Kate is rarely home and Jon is rarely home. Celebrity has its up and downs but I think all of these shows highlighting the children can be a train wreck just waiting to happen. Kate and Jon are Not the same people that started this show. And every show has a special celebrity guest or some silly excuse to take another family vaca. How many vaca's do you take each year? It is really best for the children if this show was not on be/c it is their home life being displayed for ALL of America to see. They are not our children. The Duggars seem to be relatively unchanged by their program. The Roloffs try to balance the clearly 'free' trips with home life and responsibitly. They are not racing off to meet celebrity's and get their faces plastered all of the morning talk shows. Everyone has an opinion, mine is simple. Turn the cameras off for a bit and get your household in order. The older girls clearly know there are problems at home. The younger children will be affected soon enough. If celebrity HAD NOT gone to their parents heads, the family would probably living quietly in their first home happily raising their family privately.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 2:29 pm
the reality of this reality show is we don't really know what the reality is. we have no way of knowing how much time they are or are not home. hearing the reality from people looking from afar who may or may not be getting paid, who may or may not have an ulterior movtive to their opinions, isn't reality either. now, one might argue that every time the Duggars have a baby and give a live feed interview, they are plastering their faces on the talk shows.
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Irismi
Member
02-22-2008
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 2:53 pm
I have no knowledge of what others have said or reported as I tend to ignore any tabloid. The Duggars do indeed go on an occasional show to talk about their family...I have yet to see them as anything other than incredibly loving and positive. If fame has gone to their heads, I just don't see any evidence of it. Perhaps I am naive??? The only reason I can speculate about Kate and Jon is that the tv shows they appear on with some frequncy are filmed in New York and Los Angeles. I am only expressing my opinion that this show does not resemble its former self at all. And I do wonder IF celebrity guests/frequent trips/freebies/etc...take your pick... has played a role in HOW this show has changed. In the beginning of this show, many people were involved with the family, especially relatives and close family friends. Now it appears as if all of those caring individuals who gave up their personal time. love, and devotion to the Gosselins have all disappeared. And they have been replaced by celebrity guests.
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Kellirippa
Member
07-10-2002
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 3:47 pm
- there was a question and answer episode quite some time ago where Kate said that SHE hated having all the people around in the house all the time, and Jon said that really liked the people, he wasn't saying he liked being on TV or being famous, and Kate wasn't saying she didn't like being on TV or the fame thing.. it was just about the extra people in the house.. Jon enjoyed the people and Kate felt flustered with them around... seems rather ironic..
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 3:59 pm
He (blog guy) is blogging to hopefully get some people to think... Perhaps someone close to Jon or Kate would pass a link to them and maybe have a heart to heart about it. Maybe someone at TLC would read it and consider putting the lives of their stars ahead of the $$$. If you read more of his blog, you can get a sense of what he is like. I do not see a publicity hound at all, nor someone spewing hate. I agree with your posts Iris and Stacey. I never faulted the early seasons of J&K. They were on the same level as the Duggars or the Roloffs are now. I never thought one bad thing of them getting free washers or trips. Back then the ONLY thing I had any problem with was the way Kate bossed Jon around. But I knew Jon was a big boy and if he didn't care, then why should I. I just think right now, Kate (and Jon) are likely not able to see things in perspective. They somehow don't seem to realize the long term damage all this airing of their family laundry (from Mady's tantrums to Kate dissing Jon to tabloids reporting that Jon is sleeping with a 23 year old, etc... some true, some false, some twisted...) can and will do to their kids. If it were just K&J, then who cares? But it is not.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 4:54 pm
A simple email could have sufficed, instead of a very public blog that now seems sure to "make the rounds". Just my opinion. Again, I don't think he was spewing hate in the part of it I read. But I do think he has books to sell and there they are, listed for all to see and links for all to click. I find the Duggars far more disturbing, to be honest. And in the last shows, Mady has been able to show a sweet and tantrum-free side to her, so maybe that was a good thing for people to see.
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Suzie
Member
05-18-2009
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 5:48 pm
June 12th, next week, is their 10th wedding anniversary. I wonder if they will be together on purpose to make the public think things are going to be ok? Has anyone heard of what will be done about the anniversary? I would think if they aren't together that day, especially being the 10th, then it's all over with. I dont care if she has tours and whatever, if a couple loves each other, they will find a way to be together for a special occasion like an anniversary.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 6:03 pm
Just saw that promo again. Goes something like "Everyone has good times and bad, but there's nothing like a milestone TO BRING EVERYONE TOGETHER." Really makes it look like things are looking up for K&J. Unless things are looking up for Kate and Jon, I just think that is SOOO misleading. Sea, I don't think a simple email could or would have sufficed. I bet people that were once close to Kate, have emailed her. I really think it would take something very public to get her attention and think about the potential damage... Just my own opinion. But seems like some kind of intervention (like on the same named show) is what it would take.
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Kellsma
Member
08-28-2002
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 6:27 pm
I am with you Julieboo
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 6:49 pm
It really isn't anyone's business but their own...especially not the business of a stranger who wants to write about them. I would imagine that they might discuss the situation with those close to them, garnering advice and support. But it is not the place of a stranger to intervene. Unless, of course, there are signs of abuse. Personally, I don't consider the filming of the children to be abusive. Many children are filmed in the course of documentaries and shows. But we don't even know their filming schedule. It seems to me they are off-camera a much higher percentage of time than they are on-camera. Unless, of course, you want to include the time when the paparazzi are hounding them. And how do we know if there will be "long term effects" on the children, or whether Jon and Kate have taken that into consideration. It's all supposition on the part of strangers looking in and making judgement calls on them. How do we know the children do not already receive some sort of counselling? How do we know whether Jon and Kate have set up trust funds or not? How do we know how these two people are working through...or out of...their marital problems? We don't know. And we won't know until such time as they chose to disclose it. It seems to me that their main interest lies in the well-being of their children, ultimately. How they choose to raise them, put benefits in place for them, talk to them about family matters and help them through trying times is their business and their way. None of the children seemed particularly deranged by anything that's happened to them. Yes, Mady acts just like an eight year old sometimes. But I don't really see it as an indication that the girl is suffering in any way. Most of the time those children look quite content with their lives. I think as outsiders, we can look at most any other family and see something we disapprove of or something that might strike us as "potentially damaging". But that doesn't mean it is. It just means someone who does not have all the facts is assuming it is and voicing an opinion about it.
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 7:22 pm
Great post Beek.....
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 7:26 pm
Awesome post, Beek.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 8:09 pm
Julie, suffice for what? If it wouldn't, it wasn't wanted advice... Ah.. what Beek Said!!
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 8:13 pm
Thank you, Bee!
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 10:37 pm
I'm watching Geraldo on FNC right now, and I am only mentioning this because I didn't see it posted...but Geraldo is saying Jon was seen visiting a high power NYC divorce lawyer.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 5:59 pm
such a decisive topic. Politics, religion, Jon and Kate.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 6:18 pm
D'ya mean DIVISIVE? (I mean, it is decisive sorta, but... <grin>)
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 6:50 pm
Decisively divisive! Polarizing is easier..
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 7:14 pm
<snort> thanks for keeping me honest - or... never mind!! *G
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 7:19 pm
LOL. As if we could! 
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Monday, June 08, 2009 - 1:33 pm
Sea, you posted "I find the Duggars far more disturbing, to be honest." Why? I'm curious and hope you answer. I'm not trying to be off topic. I noticed you haven't posted in their thread on its most recent page, so, I hope it's ok that I asked here. I'll check their thread too in case you answer in there. Kelli, I just saw that ep. this morning on Comcast On Demand. I enjoyed it, have seen it before. I hope they can get back to a place like that with each other. They seemed playful and loving for the most part.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, June 08, 2009 - 5:13 pm
I find the Duggars to be basically selfish, considering the growing overpopulation world wide.. the potential explosion from one family which seems to revel in sheer numbers and now starting the next generation with the same philosophy. I don't watch the show so I don't post in that thread. And hopefully this won't start a discussion here that is not about J&K+8.
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