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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 11:49 am
Yes... when they were discussing who should go, his first choice was blue (I don't remember which one). And up until then, whoever Ron said it was his time... that is who went.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 12:02 pm
Week 12 - Aubrey vs Felipe. Right at the beginning of the Aubrey ultimately left. And I can see why Ron wanted Felipe gone but he essentially killed any trust in his alliance.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 12:15 pm
Jillian's unhappiness with the show is starting to make more sense after this episode. I too think that Tara did not feel compelled to work too hard. Tara and Laura appeared to protest a bit too much. I think Tara was trying to lose only a couple of pounds to set herself up for a big gain next week. Jillian just wants them to work at 100% every time.
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Laneesmom
Member
05-12-2005
| Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 12:21 pm
Ahhhhh, I completely forgot about that!! Yep!
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 3:36 pm
Last night was one of the more interesting episodes so far...I like the scheming and game play and if you don't play the game and make alliances then you will be out early. In all the reality games, Big Brother, Survivor, ect...alliances are made, scheming done, backstabbing done, why not Biggest Loser? Its a game and the fact is that many of them will regain a large percentage of their weight in a few years, just ask many of the past contestants from the first couple of seasons. Anyone else ever notice that MOST all the contestants always live in very nice homes...no small frame houses, no mobile homes, rarely an apartment....!!!
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 4:20 pm
I hate when people condemn others for playing a game - Ron called the blue team liars - and he acts all sanctomonously - then you hear his words outside by the pool - and that's when I lose respect - I can understand being angry , but I think you have to blame yourself - Of course Tara and Laura should think game - everyone should think game - they need to break up those teams, green. brown. and blue... and who is Laura kidding? She ate the cooking and was proud she cost Tara the win... oh well, in the end it is a game, and I dont blame Helen for wanting to stay...
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 5:00 pm
I couldn't understand why Filipe and Sione did not mention Ron trying to get Filipe out the week before. They just sat there and let Ron berate them.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 5:06 pm
I think Tara started out the week with her plan to be below the yellow line, and then changed her mind after Jillian's talk. It was just too late to undo the damage she had done to herself completely. I don't think I'd like Sione as a trainer. He had admirable moments, but overall I thought he came off rather self-involved - a little too entitled. As for Ron/Mike, I do think it's really more difficult for the parent/kid teams emotionally, because of the nature of that relationship. There is a lot more inherent protectiveness toward your children - and for children toward parents with health issues. I think they are just acting out some of their frustration over being unable to protect each other. Some of Ron's comments, in that acting out, are out of line rationally of course. But that's what acting out emotionally means. That's the one thing I don't think Bob does well, is helping them individuate. In fact, he laid a big guilt trip on Michael to keep his dad here earlier in the game. That didn't help this boundary issue the two of them have. Jillian is much better at promoting healthy psychological relationships in her couples.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 6:47 pm
Fixed Helen vs Sione in terms of who left.. thanks for the nudge! I thought I had corrected that, but it was wrong in both places I have it.. I wouldn't want to work with Sione, but I think he'll be able to work with people in his community and the BL connection will give him some credibility. And for him, it should help keep him training too. Hopefully his schooling will give him insights on how to handle people better. As KL pointed out to me a few weeks back, when someone gains one week, the next weigh in doesn't count that gain in their starting weight so they don't get credit for losing that amount again, so Laura's loss was for this week. However, she hasn't lost as much as Helen and Helen started lower, is shorter and older, and Laura just hasn't had the significant loss that some have had. But of course if she can hang in at the ranch, she may have more to lose than some, especially Helen. The point she made to Helen about Helen not needing to have as big of a loss to get a higher % is sort of bogus, since Laura has more to lose to hit a reasonable weight for her size. Kar, agree in what you said about Bob vs Jillian and their style of workout. Also saw that when they worked together last night, Jillian was working Ron harder than I've ever seen him work. Interesting that Ron was allowed to compete on all those stairs, when in the past he has sat out all sorts of tasks because of his bad knee.. I understand that Ron wants to protect Mike, but he has been very manipulative in doing it. Seems so often instead of really encouraging Mike to work hard, eat right, etc., he just takes control of the pre voting discussions, AND he pretty much controlled from the first who went home often when he and Mike were not vulnerable and his reasons.. so and so will be better at home, or her father NEEDS her at home, BS.. I think in his "protection" of Mike, he is doing his son a great disservice. Ron feels guilty about his horrible job as a role model for years regarding his health, but instead of really stressing what they need to learn and change, it has been all about getting rid of threats and building alliances and threatening people.. clearly it has been worse than what we've seen until last night, or he wouldn't have earned the nicknames that everyone there is calling him, even BOB was incredulous that Sione, Filipe and Helen would DARE to send Ron home. Anyway, I find it quite unappealing, and Mike shows a streak of that whiny entitlement more and more, so I hope neither Ron nor Mike take home another penny in prizes. Makeoverwise.. once I saw that, I was happy that Helen had stayed. I think it could do her a world of good in terms of self esteem, even if she was sent home next and Sione seems to have done his own makeover in terms of haircut at home and while the makeover might have been fun.. less needed. I'm also looking for Kristin to be de-striped. Tara and Laura were models so I think they don't need as much but will probably embrace whatever change comes their way. They guys left, all still pretty large.. not a whole heck of a lot to be done with Mike's or Filipe's hair but maybe some cool clothes and Ron.. well hopefully a haircut and maybe a desmirking masque?
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Laneesmom
Member
05-12-2005
| Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 7:39 pm
i think we have to remind ourselves though that Mike is just a kid. Very young.
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Donnagg
Member
08-11-2007
| Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 8:02 pm
Everyone is an adult,they didn't have to listen to Ron. I think what he wanted was also what his team wanted until recently. there is alot of money at stake and you can't fault anyone for playing to win,IMO.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 4:53 am
>>As KL pointed out to me a few weeks back, when someone gains one week, the next weigh in doesn't count that gain in their starting weight so they don't get credit for losing that amount again, so Laura's loss was for this week. >> Why do I keep forgetting that? LOL OK but then it's still 8 lbs over two weeks not 9 because no way the 1 lb gain last week was fat. right? Karuuna summed up my feelings about Ron/Mike perfectly. I can't see any parent not protecting their child in the same way in the same situation. I don't like it, any manipulation has me pouting... NOT FAIR. LOL but it was inevitable as soon as the show cast them. Amusing how they are editting Ron but glossing over the cousins and Tara/Laura who were also protecting their partner beyond all. Remember Laura's reaction to Helen even suggesting voting out Tara even though it would have been smart gameplay? I believe the word.. crazy was used. LOL I am enjoying this season much more than the last, gameplay still in evidence but not overwhelming. Perhaps it's just the editting.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 5:09 am
I agree, Mike is still a kid. Through the show, we have seen him grow up quite a bit. But, I think that being overweight probably isolated him more from others and did not help his self confidence much. He does not seem the rebellious type. So, his dad's influence would still be very great over him. Look at the trainer decision, he flipped a coin because he could not make a decision on his own. But, I do see him eventually breaking away from his dad and becoming his own person. He's just young. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I would like to see Mike be on the ranch a few weeks without his dad. I think he would benefit a great deal being on his own there.
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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 5:36 am
I think Ron is playing a good game. He wants his son to win, has made no bones about it, and is willing to play the heavy so he goes home first. It's amazing with his health issues that he has stayed as long as he has...I think it is purely because he is playing the game well. Mike's youth is working for him, too. The coin flip was smart....he didn't have the consequences of a decision and stayed on everyone's good side. As for the loyalty to his dad, of course he puts that first. I would be doing the same thing if I were playing with my dad...even at my advanced age. And it has worked. At this point the other players are naturally going to notice the threat they present and my guess is that they will send Ron home soon if they can. But Mike will be fine on his own, I think. He has set the stage to be his own person when it becomes necessary. If I were a player and couldn't win myself, I would want that kid to win! When your pick to leave goes home week after week, that shows good strategy. Anyone else playing who complains about it just isn't doing as well (or is strategizing on their own and getting the mob riled up!!!!) The players who still have their partners there....you have to hand it to them! They are playing the game they signed up to play.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 7:43 am
Manipulation and game play are one thing. Hoping someone dies or trips down a long flight of stairs. Not so nice. Sorry. Can't endorse the Ron campaign.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 8:17 am
I agree that it would be really good for Mike to be on the ranch without his dad for awhile. For that reason, I'd be good with seeing Ron go home. I do agree that his comments about dying and such were way out of line and poor sportsmanship. But then again, they were the couple who gave the groceries away. They're not all bad.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 12:03 pm
Generosity and niceness are not mutually inclusive.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 12:26 am
According to Entertainment Weekly (the magazine itself)
Spoiler Click below to view spoiler | Week 15 of the inspirational reality show boasts plenty of drama: One contestant breaks an on-campus weight-loss record, while another suffers the most severe injury the show has ever seen. But the episode's winningest moment comes courtesy of guest Tim Gunn, who rewards season 7's rapidly shrinking contestants with a head-to-toe makeover that will bring you to tears. Even Gunn couldn't help but get verklemmt. And when he cries, we cry. |
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Delurker
Member
08-19-2005
| Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 6:40 am
Oh wow, thanks for the spoiler info Seamonkey. Can't wait to watch it
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 10:23 am
Jillian's coming back.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 1:31 pm
"Jillian's coming back." Oh poo, I wanted some new blood. As far as what Ron said....people say stuff all the time they really do not mean...it is just mouthing off for the cameras,probably as requested. I think there are still a lot to root for, love Tara, Kristen, and Mike and would be happy for any of them to win it all! Tara is one tuff cookie...she has put Sione to shame several times....love it!!!
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 4:13 pm
YEAH Jillian realy is coming back?!! She was on the Today Show - the eating close to nature, stay away from high processed foods - and Sea your post has me wondering - but.. hmmm.... I was never good a guessing games!! 
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Countrydaze
Member
11-07-2003
| Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 5:44 pm
I didn't care much for Tara in the beginning, but I agree with Boberg, she is one tough cookie and certainly deserves to win, she has really worked hard and is doing great. I also like Mike and Kristen. Helen has done good too, but there is just something about her that grates on my nerves, the same with Laura and Ron and I am so over Filipe after he acted so badly towards Jillian. He acted like a spoiled brat and I was so surprised to see Bob did too.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 7:36 pm
Add me as a Tara fan. I love how determined she is to do well. Kristen seems pretty nice. Laura too. Helen is okay. Mike not bad. Filipe acted so badly with Jillian that I'm over him. Ron is okay but he is very manipulative.
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 13, 2009 - 3:21 pm
I didn't see Kristin in the promos. I hope she's not the one that gets hurt. Sorry if that's a spoiler.
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