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Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 5:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
LOL- Rape is a violent crime. Understanding/ not being surprised, that Jon may have looked outside his marriage for fun because he appears to be miserable in his marriage doesn't even come close to saying a rape victim asked for it. ymmv

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 7:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
"LOL- Rape is a violent crime. "




Wow.....

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 8:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I took what Lil wrote as saying that comparing a rape to infidelity is not a fair comparison. One is horrendous crime of violence. The other is a breach of trust, a moral judgement. Not comparable.

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 9:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
The only reason Jon and kids weren't on the show is due to the questioning they were going to get. I agree that it was wise for him to stay home w/ the kids. why subject the kids to that on national tv.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 9:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think the comparison was in blaming the victin, not in equating the wrongs/crimes..

Kate was on her own for her segment of Larry King tonight, too.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 5:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
This is an interesting article. I think there is a tremendous amount of truth in it.

Famous moms get pity — to a point
By CORILYN SHROPSHIRE Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle
May 7, 2009, 5:15PM

Look what two famous American moms are getting for Mother’s Day: a whopping dose of public vitriol.

Once icons of family values and seemingly sympathetic figures, loyal political wife Elizabeth Edwards and reality-TV mom Kate Gosselin are now the ones taking it on the chin from a judgmental public.

Public flogging is nothing new for Gosselin, star of the popular reality-TV series Jon & Kate Plus 8, which chronicles the joys and chaos of raising 8-year-old twins and 5-year-old sextuplets.

Fans either adore or abhor Gosselin, a strong-willed, self-described clean freak, who frequently bickers with her husband on camera.

For years, blogs and fan sites dedicated to the show have run commentary labeling Gosselin a domestic battle-ax: domineering, controlling, dismissive of her henpecked husband, concerned only with her fame-grabbing agenda and — perhaps the worst indictment of all — neglectful of her children.

Recent tabloid reports that Jon Gosselin has been having an affair with a 23-year-old woman did nothing to stop the Kate-bashing. Instead, the criticism seemed to grow.

“I can’t condone adultery but, after watching the show, his wife is a bit of a pill and I could see why Jon, who is tre, tre, passive-aggressive, decided to ‘go water the grass’ elsewhere as a stress reliever rather than leave his wife and kids,” snarled one commenter on The Daily Beast.

The rough treatment, in part, comes with the territory.

“When you have people in your home like that, in your daily lives, you’re exposing yourself to all kind of things, praise as well as criticism,” explained Carla Thompson, a Jon & Kate Plus 8 fan who writes and blogs about popular culture.

It’s a reality of which Elizabeth Edwards, the terminally ill wife of disgraced presidential candidate John Edwards, is undoubtedly aware. Her husband’s bid for the White House ended last year, and he admitted to having an affair with a campaign worker, Rielle Hunter.

Now, Elizabeth Edwards is talking to reporters and to Oprah Winfrey, promoting her new book, Resilience, which provides her account of the ordeal.

Her efforts have not been well received.

New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd scolded her in a column, questioning why “Saint Elizabeth has dragged him back into the public square for a flogging.” On The Huffington Post, writer Lee Stranahan excoriated Edwards in a piece entitled “The Lies of (And to) Elizabeth Edwards.” He accuses her of “aiding and abetting her husband in deceiving Democratic voters on an unprecedented scale.”

By writing a tell-all, Stranahan concludes, Edwards “opened herself up as a subject of public discussion.”

Many in the blogosphere agreed.

Mira Kirshenbaum, who has written several books on the topic, including When Good People Have Affairs, thinks society is more forgiving of fallen men than imperfect women. She said women tend to be more forgiving of husbands than wives because women worry they could find themselves in a similar situation.

“They think, ‘If this famous woman, who has so much going for her, can be cheated on, how much more vulnerable I must be,’ ” Kirshenbaum said.

Now that Edwards is making something out of her tragedy, “I think a lot of people not so unconsciously resent it,” added Barton Goldsmith, a psychotherapist and author of Emotional Fitness For Intimacy.

That doesn’t fully explain the heightened backlash against Gosselin.

Wives inspire the public’s sympathy until they appear uppity or strong, the experts said.

As recent events have demonstrated, we like our moms wholesome and nonthreatening, not opportunistic and outspoken.

Consider Michelle Obama.

Less than a year ago, she was depicted on a New Yorker cover as a gun-toting revolutionary. Now the uber-organic, cardigan-overloaded first lady’s approval ratings are higher than her husband’s.

Public sentiment may swing in favor of Gosselin, who appeared Thursday on the Today show, minus her husband and brood.

Looking uncharacteristically chastened, Gosselin told host Meredith Vieira she didn’t believe her husband had cheated. She said they were working through it, privately, as a family.

Experience suggests Gosselin, who has signed on to do a fifth season of the show, should not seek catharsis — or revenge — in public.

When a woman leaves a cheating husband, the public cheers her on, Thompson said. But when she opts to stay, the public becomes confused.

“We see the Lifetime movies and the woman breaks away. We’re like, ‘Yay!’ ” Thompson said. “When she stays and writes a book, we can’t process that. The public thinks, why are you bothering us with this?”

corilyn.shropshire@chron.com


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/6413459.html

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Sea, for helping explain what I meant. Yes, there is no comparison between a violent crime and cheating on your spouse, but there is the comparison of blaming the victim.
Somehow I thought we as a society were past that.
Returning now to my little world of naivete...lol

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 11:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
I think what irritates me about this is that it was supposed to be happening recently. After the whining he did on the finale and the denials, one would think he would be a little more careful not to get himself in a situation where these allegations could be made about him.
MEN!!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Blue, oh, no we are not at all past it. We once had a new director for our rape crisis agency and the first time she met with us at supervision (us being the volunteer advocates who ran the hotline, went to hospitals, ran groups, and trained ..) she was proudly telling all who would listen about a couple in her building who would be really loud and it sounded like he was beating up on his wife. She said she banged on the door and claimed to have a gun and demanded that he stop. Didn't call anyone. The couple moved out and disappeared.

Appalling.. just think what that woman undoubtedly took in blame from the abuser.

Needless to say I was quite vocal and I wasn't alone and this woman had a VERY short association with that agency. This was someone who had interviewed well, presumably, said the right stuff, had a background to be in the position, but domestic violence, clearly she didn't GET that.

I think Kate made a point that she and Jon hadn't anticipated what it would be like being in public after so much exposure.. that it started with a request from Discovery Health channel to do a special on them, which they did and then there was a demand for a second special/update and that grew into the series. So by the time they started the series they were already a bit in the puclic eye. And of course by this time, you cannot put it all back in the box and close the lid easily. Kate seemed to say that Jon hadn't gotten it as much as she has, but that makes sense since she's done more of the recent public appearance stuff due to her two books. Maybe this time, Jon will really get it?

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
oh boy....it's getting worse
<100> Kate Gosselin has been making the rounds to all the major media outlets letting them know her opinions about her husband's alleged affair.

Her most recent interview was Wednesday night on Larry King Live. During the program she read a a written statement from her husband, Jon Gosselin ,as well as explains what Jon is guilty of:

"I am not a celebrity…I am a mom and a wife. And I feel that Jon is having difficult times realizing that, you know, you can't go to the grocery store without people whipping out their cell phones, calling everyone they know and taking pictures of you. He is dealing very poorly with it."

So, basically, he's a tool who doesn't realize since he is on T.V., people will recognize them. Got it.

As for the future, Kate says that she chooses "happiness. And I choose to survive anything."

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 6:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
I don't watch this show and I just happened to flip and catch her on LKL last night. Is this woman her husband allegedly had affair with the teacher of one of her children?

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 6:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
and this from star magazine

With the way these two operate is this really such a big surprise?

With Jon Gosselin battling accusations of infidelity, Kate Gosselin's own transgressions are coming to light.

A source tells Star magazine, "I heard Kate was getting way too close with her personal trainer, so Jon started cheating." There are also rumors linking the mother of 8 to her silver-haired bodyguard, nicknamed Mr. Gray.

And with money-grubbing Kate out promoting her book, Eight Little Faces, Jon is left either locking himself up in the bathroom for a quick wank session or going out to meet women "because Kate has given him the cold shoulder."

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 6:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I'm sick of all of this bullsh*t. We will never know the actual truth, and the tabloids are all out there making their money. I will just believe what I chose to believe from the get-go, period.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 6:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Kate was "making the rounds" to flog her book, much like EVERY author whose publisher can get him/her onto any show or interview.. not like she just started making calls so she could get the interviews.

And I know my memory isn't the best, but I thought Larry read the statement from Jon, that had been obtained by Larry's staff, though it could also have been quoted elsewhere.

Lexie, not that I know of, but heck, now that it has been said here, look for it in the Star:-(

I mean the star seems to have a quote there from someone who "heard" something..

Funny, I doubt if most women going to do their JOB to earn money for their family would be considered "money-grubbing" or expected to be home all the time so her husband wouldn't be driven to cheat.

Pfft.

Hukd.. I hear that Jon has been fostering dandelions

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 6:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Okay, seriously, of all the stuff I've read, that thing from the Star is THE most annoying.

Rumors and unnamed sources make accusations with a clear bias against "money-grubbing Kate". Oh, and, of course, Jon had to cheat, he wasn't getting any from his wife.

Ridiculous.

I don't know what has happened in their marriage and I don't know what is true and what is false. I hope for the best for them, for their sakes and for the sakes of their children.

I know someone mentioned earlier that Kate probably wishes she hadn't driven away the support network, but I almost understand her thoughts on the subject. People, even friends, may go against the better interests of the family for publicity, money or simply to hurt Kate. That's been made clear with all of this stuff that's circulating. If anything, Kate may be glad that there are fewer people out there to spill their "up close and personal" stories on websites and in the tabloids.

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 6:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
if someone is so unhappy with their relationship that cheating is considered, why wouldn't that person express it to their partner and try to work it out.... or not.

at least have the decency to talk about it with your partner beforehand.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 6:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
lol Sea!

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Friday, May 08, 2009 - 11:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
True or not, this is the 2nd time since February that Jon has been caught in questionable circumstances, before that we had Aunt Jodie cut out of their lives for agreeing to accept money for having cameras in her house and the negative interviews from her and her sister's blog.... There are countless websites that have plenty of negative things to say about how Kate treats Jon or how cold she appears toward her children, and people out there expressing their opinions on Maddy's bratty behavior... This is no longer a positive experience for this family.
This started out as a show about what life is like for a young struggling family with 2 sets of multiples, it morphed into a show about how many trips you could go on and how many theme parks want to host your family when you've got your own TV show.. will next season be about the break-up of celebrity marriage?
They've had the trips to Disney Land, Kate's had her free tummy tuck and Jon's gotten his free hair transplant, they've got the big beautiful house.. It's time to pull the lights and the cameras and the contracts before this turns into a show about the tragic lives of former child stars.

Sandra
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07-06-2004

Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 5:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sandra a private message Print Post    
Kellirippa,
I agree 100%. I have been watching and might add new to the shows. I d/l all the back shows. I really can't get over how Kate treats Jon. WOW! I didn't know the trips were free. I think it would do the whole family good to just not film them anymore and let them get on with healing. "Jon quit scratching"

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 6:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
And with money-grubbing Kate out promoting her book, Eight Little Faces, Jon is left either locking himself up in the bathroom for a quick wank session or going out to meet women "because Kate has given him the cold shoulder."


OMG!!! that's appalling. we really are blaming the victim!

no one really commented about the article i posted, but i think these last few posts prove the author's point!

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 7:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
The producers of the show are only too happy to send the family on 'free' trips; anything to bring in advertising revenue. I don't begrudge the Gosslins a penny they've earned from the show...the people who produce it get a whole lot more. If we knew what that show earns our heads would probably spin around on our shoulders.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I really don't understand the people that are so angry over the perks they get. Can anyone truly say if they were offered the same things, they wuold turn them down?
I can only chalk it up to jealousy.

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 7:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
I didn't mean to come across as angry over the perks they get or begrudge them any of it... I'm just saying, they've enjoyed the perks that come along with the hard work and intrusion into their lives that this show has brought them, but at this point, the negative is out weighing the positive and they need to, for the health of the family unit, say it's been great, but it's time to focus on being a family and not on having a tv show...

on a side note, I've now watched the video of Kate's interview with Meridith V, and in context, I don't think that when Kate said, I'm hesitant to believe any of it, she was referring to specifically the Jon affair rumor, what she said was, we've all read the tabloids, I'm hesitant to believe any of it... I believe she may have meant she's hesitant to believe tabloid stories in general.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 7:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
not meaning you specifically, Kelli. As you mentioned that are numerous blogs out there that are anti kate and one of the things SHE (rarely him!) is blasted for is taking advantage of the perks.

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

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