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Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Monday, June 22, 2009 - 9:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
What a very sad show. What I kept thinking as I watched and heard Jon say "what's best for me....and my kids" was if you really cared enough you would stay and get marriage counseling so you and Kate could work things out. And....ONLY 32?? I think he believes that is still a kid. Well, it sure isn't when you have 8 kids. Grow up, Jon.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, June 22, 2009 - 9:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
There was a picture of Jon outside of Trump Place, which is different than Trump Towers. I'm sure still expensive though

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, June 22, 2009 - 10:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Something I saw said Trump Place.. and that what was available was one bedroom places for about $3200 a month and a studio. The school teacher must be bummed.. the other 23 year old is in NY, she is in PA.

Irismi
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02-22-2008

Monday, June 22, 2009 - 10:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Irismi a private message Print Post    
I watched Showbiz Tonight which dealt with J & K's announcement and Everyone on that show thought they should turn the cameras off. The commentator said something very revealing...that Jon and Kate look at themselves on the show (the taped ones) and blame each other for how they are being portrayed. I definitely think he is right. Kate thinks Jon drives her to be so overbearing and Jon thinks Kate makes him look like a misfit. They don't like each other at all. They have kept it friendly (sort of) for the cameras. Now that Kate is plastered all over tv for spanking Leah, I think she realizes the stress is causing her to lose it with the kids and people Will turn off the show if they think she's a witch. I think everyone should turn off the show for the kids sake but many people feel as if these kids are their kids. They are not, and they are suffering the most (or at least will over the long run). How many years go by before someone says to them, "Wow, your parents are ......fill in the blank. That's not too far away.

Piper45840
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03-02-2006

Monday, June 22, 2009 - 10:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Piper45840 a private message Print Post    
Twinkie, your thoughts mirrored mine exactly! I don't condone the way Kate treated Jon, BUT the way he spoke tonight confirmed for me that he is a 32 yr old man who is having a serious mid-life crisis. Enjoy Trump Place Jon, I'm sure when your children are older they'll understand.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 22, 2009 - 10:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Julie & Blue are both correct.
Trump Tower even offers "secret garage entrance" type of security. But then again, a Trump whichever address only invites more attention from paps.

I am also trying to stay out of here. But from what I saw, I didn't see Kate with me me me, and money, money, money. Then again, I always thought Jon was more money, money, money since he was the one who had set up a web site to collect gifts & donations even before the six were born.
And, I heard what Twinkie heard. ".... what's best for me. ... (Then he remembers to throw in:-) and my kids." The statement in people.com could have been doctored. Some one wiser may have helped him phrase things.

If I do speculate about events happened this past weekend, maybe Jon invited one of his GF up there to play hostess? Maybe something Jon said to the kids?

One thing I will keep my eyes on, is what "job offering" is going to come Jon's way???? (He cited that as one of the unknown futures which might change the arrangement regarding spending time with the children.)

I am in a mixed marriage myself. I'm not so agile with English. I don't have any blood family around where we live. My husband tend to strong-arm me. From buying and selling of our business(restaurant), to buying his grandma's old rotted house, to taking DD to audition in schools that are not what I would have considered for her, .... He and his whole family has this saying that, "Your parents told us you don't know anything and we should help you and guide you every way we can." ... So I really started out being in Jon's corner. But now, no. Not that I'm in love with everything Kate does, but Jon is definitely in it for that twenty-something Jon who never got to have fun!

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, June 22, 2009 - 10:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
"Over the course of this weekend, Jon's activities have left me no choice but to file legal procedures in order to protect myself and our children," Kate said in a statement Monday night. "While there are reasons why it was appropriate and necessary for me to initiate this proceeding, I do not wish to discuss those reasons at this time, in the hope that all issues will be resolved amicably between Jon and myself. As always, my first priority remains our children."

This sounds so pompous. It was probably written by her lawyer. Who said Kate didn't have control anymore. Look what she just said and did. She's getting even with Jon for leaving her. Yet, on the show, she acted the victim.

Sounds like she's trying to protect her money. I pray she doesn't go further to ensure she gets to stay in her house full time...like Jon needing supervised visits if you get my drift?

What horrible activities did John do this weekend?

On another show that discussed this reality tv show divorce and showed a clip of Jon wearing small gold hoop earrings and was crying as he talked about them separating. I missed that on the show tonight, but haven't watched the tape yet. I saw the majority of the show and never noticed him wearing earrings or crying.

Holly stated:
And I think that kid, Mady, just takes after her mother in that respect

Oh my gosh. When Maddy was yelling/bossing the other kids around tonight it sounded just like Kate talking to Jon. She is her mother's child.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Monday, June 22, 2009 - 10:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
Chy, in reference to your "I'm not so agile with English." Just wanted to say I would never know that reading your posts. You have one of the most clear and articulate styles of writing I've seen on any public message board.

ETA: Kate doesn't need to be the one to air the reasons/actions she deferred to. The media in all its furor will dig and scrape and find out and then print it for all to see. Then it will be their fault, not Kate's that Jon's indescretions were plastered all over the Internet.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, June 22, 2009 - 10:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
It was probably written by her lawyer

OMG I so hope not. I pray no lawyer would ever write "between Jon and myself" instead of "between Jon and me," but that's probably another unanswered prayer.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Monday, June 22, 2009 - 11:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Many thanks to those who spoiled.

Reader...special thanks to you!

Very appreciated.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 12:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
I found the show incredibly sad and my heart breaks for those kids. Actually, my heart was breaking watching it, for all of them.

I haven't watched the show faithfully, but I watched some here and there. One of the first I saw was Kate trying to hire a house keeper and all I could think was, "Holy cow! Chill a bit. You have 8 kids and if the tops of books in a case don't get dusted every day, so what?!" She seemed rather OCD to me and not someone I'd enjoy being around for any amount of time.

Because I only watched infrequently, I didn't see a lot of their bickering, etc., although I saw some. I saw some nice episodes, too, at least I thought so. Later on after reading what everyone said, I paid closer attention as to how she treated Jon and how he acted. Still, I missed most of it. I did like Jon better because he seemed far more laid back and seemed to totally love his kids.

The last few weeks, I haven't been very impressed w/either of them. That being said, the 2nd part of the show had me close to tears. It just doesn't seem like they tried very hard since they're talking about months, not years of things being bad. Being in the public light as they are, they could have easily gotten counseling, probably by someone famous. Actually, I read tonight that Dr. Phil's wife and Kate have become "phone buddies."

We have 3 kids who are now in their 20s. Next mo. we'll be married 32 yrs. Has all of that time been super happy? NO. There were times when I think neither one of us could stand one another, but we just waited it out. We've never been "yellers" and rarely did our kids hear us fight. Sure it happened a couple times a year. Ofen we were just distant.

As the kids got older, we got closer. There's stress in raising kids. I know I couldn't manage raising 8 so close in age. Actually, I couldn't manage 8 at all now that I think about it! :-) For us, even if we didn't get along, we did our best with our kids and I truly believe relationships and life are like waves in the ocean. You have your waves with swells and the lulls in between. There's no way I could have seen us ever divorcing with that many children. Heck we couldn't do it w/3, realizing that marriage in not always a picnic. That's life!

I don't know how anyone could watch this and not just feel the whole thing is tragic. I don't care who did what, it's just plain tragic. I think they've both been hurt in different ways and they've acted out in different ways. There's always two sides and the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. I like that saying since I think there's a lot of truth to it.

I take no joy in seeing any marriage fail. NONE.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 4:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
They seemed rather optimistic about their arrangement of time with the kids now that they are legally separated. In probably a year they'll be legally divorced. But...there is NO way splitting their time up in the house will work. First lawyers will not like that.

I predict it will get much nastier as the days go on. And this will end up as one of the more nastier public divorces. There is NO WAY Kate will give an inch especially if her lawyer encourages her to take the house and put in her name until the kids are of age where it will be sold.

Kate already said twice there is no way she'll ever no have a holiday without her kids, really Kate? That statement, to me shows she has no concept of what divorce means and no inclination of compromise.

Kate says she doesn't want to be alone but it seems that she doesn't have the ability to have long term realationships with family and friends.

Kate came across again, to me, as saying all the right things and coming off as fake.

Stay tuned because it's only going to get nastier.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 4:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Watching2... perfect! I agree with every word and sentiment.

So I guess none of my hopes came to fruition. {sigh} Not going to comment, especially since Watching just did it for me. <77>

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
If you put put your kids personal life on TV there is going to be talk about them. Both positive and negative, that's what you signed up for. We can't just comment on the cute kid stuff.

The writing was bold about the pending divorce, no one wants a family to break up especially one that we have witnessed weekly for years.

Personally I don't say negative things about any of the kids because even the worst kid behavior, for me is no big deal and just makes them look normal. But the kids behavior certainly is fair game and reflects some of the parenting.

Jon and Kate have put their kids lives on TV and part of that is conversation and opinions on the entire family including the kids. They can't have it both ways. It's a bit naive for them to think they can exploit their lives and their kids lives and only hear the positive comments. That doesn't make sense.

Don't put your kids worst and best moments on TV then you can live with anonymity but their choice to live a very public life has consequences.

The repercussions of their choices will linger on for a life time for these kids.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
I can just see them going against one another rules when they are "on " with the kids; in general just reeking havoc with those poor kids.
I am officially sick of these two after Kate < I am sure it was her > said " the show must go on". Not true, both Jon and Kate have gotten used to the $/perks and don't want to give that up.
TLC pull the plug on this train wreck and take the Gosselin's away from us all to raise their children out of the public eye.
Every time I turn on the tv, radio, computer I see their faces;enough. They are certainly not as bad as that Octo mom person but almost when it comes to seeing them everywhere.
The kids are cute but this show has got to go .

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Today show is now discussing Jon minus Kate.

so sad.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Lilfair, I have said the same things in the past. Jon and Kate cannot put their kids on tv and not expect negative comments. Jon and Kate cannot pimp out their family for fame and wealth and then complain about the downside of that fame and wealth. That is absolutely true but doesn't mean that as a viewer (well as a past viewer since I stopped watching last season) I shouldn't have the sense to not contribute to the problem. I am not referring to a general comment about the children during a specific episode but to the absolute hate-on that some have for this little child. It scares me to be frank, it's so out of proportion.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
If you put your kids first, then you don't put your kids and all your laundry (clean OR dirty) on national TV week after week. It's as simple as that.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
Sometimes I feel that the public cares more about the privacy of the family than Jon and Kate do, well, mostly Kate. If it were up to Jon, last season would have been the end.

People who want to save Maddy or the other kids from scrutiny miss the point that the parents brought this on themselves. We can't cherry pick how the dialog goes after watching the show. And others can't steer the conversation to what is comfortable only for them.

I don't see there being much of a hate on for Maddy. There are some that find her a complete brat and they should absolutely be able to express that opinion. Actually I find it amazing that there isn't more talk about her behavior.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 6:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Agree totally mgm~

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 6:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Something just struck me. Kate mentioned that she did not want to be alone. She said nothing about how she does not want to be without Jon or anything about missing/loving him.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 6:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
<I am disgusted that there are again comments about Mady...I am not referring to a general comment about the children during a specific episode but to the absolute hate-on that some have for this little child. It scares me to be frank, it's so out of proportion.>

If you are referring to my post, Rissa, wherein I commented on Mady's attention seeking taking after her mother, I'd hardly call that "an absolute hate-on". I think calling it that is simply being over-dramatic and hyperbolic. The child obviously has a problematic personality, and if anyone who watches the show denies she is a complete show-off and camera hog, then all I can say is that you're watching a different show than I am. FWIW, here is what I posted:

<She certainly seems to love the attention more than anything, to the detriment of her marriage and family. And I think that kid, Mady, just takes after her mother in that respect. It has to be all about them, all the time.>

Please explain what is 'absolutely hateful' about that.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 7:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
<The repercussions of their choices will linger on for a life time for these kids.>

Oh yes, and I wouldn't want to be Kate when these kids become teenagers. I think she'll be facing a world of resentment. I have a friend who had the same controlling type personality. When her daughter turned 14, she began to express her resentment toward her mother in no uncertain way. The marriage collapsed around then and as soon as the daughter reached 18, she moved out and in with her dad. They were estranged for the longest time. It took over ten years and a couple of grandkids to eventually reunite them, but they are still very strained around each other. What they have now could never be called a good relationship.

Dfennessey
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07-25-2004

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfennessey a private message Print Post    
I really wish that Jon and Kate called it quits from the show and tried and work on their marriage. But then again maybe they really did try when the camera's weren't rolling. as i said yesterday, I hope they can be civil to each other for the sake of the children. I have watched too many divorces where the parents are both bad mouthing each other to the children. IT IS NOT THE CHILDRENS FAULT.

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
...so, when the children are the primary source of income, who pays child support/alimony?

Even though "this is the children's house", they are minors and the house would be in Jon and Kate's names.. with divorce proceedings, wouldn't either the house have to be sold and the money split or one or the other spouse would have to buy the other out?