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Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
I thought so too Julie. What was Jon thinking?

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 3:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
TMZ: Jon Gosselin created a stir (yes, again) on Wednesday by reading part of an email sent by wife Kate, asking him not to be around her on Thursday when Cara and Mady celebrate their birthdays.

But as usual, no matter who's right or wrong (or anything in between) there's more to the story -- and RadarOnline.com has the exclusive details.

In video seen on RadarOnline.com Jon reads an email from Kate saying that's it's ok for him to be with the kids from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. but would be better if he then left, due to the couple's strained relationship

Jon was not happy and complained about being denied access to the girls on their birthdays.

But Jon didn't disclose everything. Now RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned from a Pennsylvania friend of Kate's who saw the ENTIRE email that what Jon didn't read was the rest of the email with Kate offering Jon extra time with the kids this weekend.

Kate finished the email by telling Jon she's given him, if he wants it, Saturday at noon through Sunday 5 p.m. to spend with the kids. That was originally her time.
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Guess Kate isn't the only one who is manipulative. How dare these two escalate to fighting over their kids in the media? At least keep it about each other (even though that is also despicable).

ETA: Yes another Jon quote: "She's trying to prevent me from seeing my kids on Mady and Cara's birthday," Jon declared. "That's like giving her full custody by obeying her. She can't tell me what to do. I'm not going to allow it. I'm just going to stay. I own the house so I can do what I want." How mature, I am sure that won't raise the stress level in the house at all. The girls will be gratefull not to be stuck having a boring ole' calm b-day.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
More and more I'm thinking these two deserve each other! And the kids deserve so much better.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 4:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Oh I love that--"a Pennsylvania friend of Kate who saw the entire email." So either Mrs Gosselin lets people read emails over her shoulder or, more likely, she forwarded an email to the "friend" (perhaps one of the "friends" who leaked Mrs Gosselin's allegations about the bank account?) so her side of the story could get in the press. LOL.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 4:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Good point Tish!!

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 4:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
I've spoken to friends when I've been upset about things that are happening. If the person is really a friend, the story leaked with Kate's permission as it should have. Why should Jon be able to tell whatever lies he wants to with absolutely no response? The problem is, that when Kate made the adult decision to keep their problems quiet and not discuss Jon's actions publicly, he realized that she had given him the freedom to tell whatever tall tales he wanted without her being able to refute anything.

Having a friend leak her side of the story is better than letting him get away with the garbage he has been spewing. Also, this "friend" could be someone in her lawyers office. She now has a double whammy of a team. One for the divorce and another who deals in celebrity separation of assets. I think Kate will land on her feet. Jon will end up on his keister where he belongs.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 5:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Tish, all the major gossip sites have a screen shot of his blackberry and you can see the email there. Although if I was Kate and Jon was spreading such a horrible thing about me, I would make sure to *leak* it too. She does have a right to defend herself.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 5:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Who cares if Kate let someone else spill the beans or not? If that's the whole story, Jon made a big fancy fuss about nothing, just stirring the pot.

WAs she supposed to just let that go? Again? He was the one who went to the press in the first place.

They're both playing badly, IMO.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 5:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
How is Jon coming out the bad guy in this? KATE started this whole fiasco by throwing a temper tantrum because Jon shut down filming. She arranged for a quickie interview on the Today Show (what a publicist she has) and then it appears that perhaps Jon hasn't stolen anything (he has proof) so Kate is too upset to be around him.

The normal thing here might be an apology from Kate saying maybe there was a miscommunication, but no..she filed court papers saying she wants the $200,000 and then says they can't be together around the children.

Wow, this happened much quicker than I thought. I remember not that long ago Seamonkey and I were posting about how long it would work with the whole family being together on things like birthdays and Kate/Jon sharing the house. I see that being the next thing to go.

I agree that Kate MUST be in control of things @ all times. Jon shut down her show...she's furious. She's coming undone. If she doesn't get some counseling, she's going to break.

Jon is fighting mad and he will not back down. She should have realized when she asked for a divorce, she would no longer be able to control him. I guess she thought she still could.

It's too soon for the children to have to split the birthday. I don't understand why it's automatically 'assumed' that Kate gets them the majority of the time. In the past year, with Kate traveling for her book tours and special appearances, most likely Jon has been with them more than Kate. That could weigh heavily in court if Jon pursued it. I said before when Kate stated, "I will HAVE holidays with my children....no negotiating" that she was in for a rude awakening. When she decided to get divorced, she gave up some control of her children.

Re anyone spilling the beans and the whole message not being read by Jon, what the heck does extra time NOT on their birthdays have to do with him having limited time ON their birthdays. It doesn't matter what happens after their birthdays. To me it's just another way for Kate to control and punish.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 5:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Adults acting like petulant children ... and the real children will suffer.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 5:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
They also agreed that they would only use babysitters approved by both parents. IF little boy Jon wants to spend the day with his girls on their birthday, perhaps he should learn how to follow all the rules both ways, not just when they are in his favor.

Did you see the pic of Kate's babysitter with all the kids crying and the babysitter appearing to be yelling, while holding on to one of their arms? If that had been Jon's babysitter, there would be an uproar.

I'm not trying to excuse him @ all, but as Julieboo said yesterday, this shouldn't be tit for tat. Children aren't negotiable. If you keep them from one parent, it hurts them the most.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 6:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
So, Jon shuts down TV production with a big dramatic sign and public TV appearances and KATE is the one throwing a temper tantrum?

Jon deprives the family of an income and has no apparent way to replace that income and Kate is just supposed to sit back and say, oh, you're right, you are making such good decisions with your life, I'll let you make this one??

Jon put a lock on the gate to make sure Kate could not access the property when he was in residence. Kate offered to give him the opportunity to see the kids when it's her day, AND offered him additional time over the weekend and SHE is the bad guy??

Jon contacted a tabloid reporter to complain about the arrangements Kate had offered and SHE is the one that is controlling and punishing?

Jon took money out of a joint account and KATE is unreasonable asking him to return it?

Poor Jon. His life is so difficult! I mean, he only took 22K out in this past withdrawal. He needs that money to buy groceries. Why can't she be more reasonable about his needs?

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 6:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
As a divorced parent, I can only say that it is often unrealistic for parents to have *equal* time on birthdays. While for many years we celebrated the birthdays together, my DS still went home or woke up with one parent.

I heard Jon on ET tonight, expose to the world that his daughter Mattie tells him everything Kate does, and that sometimes Kate says bad things about him.

Well, way to go Jon. If you're going to spill your daughter's secrets on national tv, you've got a lot of things to learn about being a parent and being "there for them" as you claim. Blech.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 6:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Cricket, Jon hasn't provided proof that he didn't 'steal' anything. He only provided one withdrawal slip for the most recent withdrawal of $22,000. It's unclear whether he was entitled to withdraw the $200,000 Kate says he did over the last few months, or even the $177,000 he said he did. Just saying he did doesn't make it so. Especially not with this pair of folks.

And Kate doesn't get them the majority of the time. She gets 50% custody normally, and in exchange for reducing time on the birthday day, she offered Jon a great deal *more* time. I would have jumped at the opportunity to have all that extra time with my kids!!

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 6:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
Fact is Kate is a very bitter woman who can't deal with losing the control she once had.
Fact is they agreed to do the twins b-day together and now that "big bad" Jon is standing up for herself, she now has to limit his time with the twins.
Fact is Kate is worse then Jon in the vindictive department and though she may have a good team behind her telling her how to act and to get the pity vote <99>
those poor kids are going to have such issues when they are older.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 6:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Those kids might have more issues with a daddy who shut down their fairy tale life and never contributed to their financial support.

TMZ claims to have seen the withdrawal slips that Jon used to bleed the liquid fund dry. I'm sure they aren't in imminent danger of starvation, but I do think Kate will be dipping into some long term assets for day to day living.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 7:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Cricket, Jon hasn't provided proof that he didn't 'steal' anything. He only provided one withdrawal slip for the most recent withdrawal of $22,000.

Karuuna, on the program I saw him on, he had 2 or 3 pages of bank statements laid out in addition to his $22,000 withdrawal receipt. He told the others to look @ his statements..they proved he didn't all of a sudden take $200,000.

Regarding Kate offering him more time after the fact (Birthday) maybe she's got something to do on Saturday night, so that would work for her. Even if she doesn't it's the fact that she is still trying to pull Jon's strings. Once she set him free, she lost that privilege.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 7:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Great 'facts' Angelic. I can see those children writing books one day, but they might not quite be like their mother's books.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 7:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Opinions are not facts.

Fact: Kate has custody of the kids this week.

Fact: Jon has denied access to Kate when it is his turn with the kids.

Fact: Kate has agreed to allow Jon to be with the kids for 2 hours on HER time.

Fact: Jon and Kate are not getting along with each other at this point

Fact: Kids are very sensitive to conflict, no matter how you try to fake it.

Opinion: It's better for the kids for Jon and Kate to spend time with them separately.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 9:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I thought Kate said on The View or some interview that the each (Kate and Jon) that she and Jon along with the court agreed that they each spend birthdays and holidays together in Jon and Kate's new home. I don't think there was a time limit set. The twins will be glad both parents are there. Shame on kate for trying to limit the girls time with their dad on their birthday...now that is a fact!

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 9:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Trust me, kids are not stupid. Two parents who at this moment are so angry with each other cannot "fake it" enough for the kids not to know exactly what is going on.

It's not about proving a point, it's not about "He/She can't tell me what to do". It's about a birthday for the kids. Each parent should spend time separately with the kids.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 9:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I don't see Kate's PA friend viewing the email as a negative. Has anyone here ever been in a situation where you want someone to provide balance for you when you're emotions are involved & so you construct an email or letter & ask someone you trust to view it before you send it to make sure it's diplomatic? Or perhaps another scenario is that Kate sent the email, the PA friend heard about the selective portions Jon chose to disclose to the media & contacted Kate or came over to talk to Kate about it. Kate could have been appalled & from that disclaimed there was more to the email that Jon didn't read & said something like "look, this is what I really sent!" I find that perfectly human, normal, & acceptable. Or have you ever had a friend who you cared about enough to defend or speak up for them even if/when they won't speak up for themselves? Perhaps that's what this PA friend of Kate's is doing. I'm guessing most people have at least experienced the latter situation given that a lot of people passionately defend Jon or Kate without even personally knowing them. There are a multitude of possibilities of how it & other things could have occurred, it doesn't always have to be a negative reason or intent.

Jhonise
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07-10-2003

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 10:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jhonise a private message Print Post    
IMO, a judge needs to put a gag order on these two "adults" pronto!

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 10:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I think it is fabulous that the show is stopped for now. Hope it stays that way for a long time.

Yeah, because what America needs is more unemployed people. Not only are Kate and the kids going to suffer, but all of the people involved in the production who thought they had secure jobs are now left floundering. But hey, at least some people are happy to have "rescued" kids from the horror of this show. Those people who no longer have an income to support THEIR families deserve it for "exploiting" these kids by taping them while they play and go on adventures.

Hope Kate and Jon figure out a way to love their kids more than hate each other.

While the ideal is certainly to strive for, the reality is that these are imperfect human beings. May they find a way to deal with their conflict and disagreements in a more private and helpful manner sooner rather than later.