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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 1:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I thought it was one of Jon's girlfriends who called him a Scumbag.. Kate Gosselin had nothing to do with that. That is on Jon and his choices.

The school teacher (Deanna Hummell?) was the first, so Hailey may or may not be the first rebound and Kate 2, back to Hailey but then there is the model/bartender/"babysitter"/single mom he felt sorry for having a sleepover, which came during Hailey but probably after Kate 2 (who I think is the one to call him a scumbag).

Another excerpt, from the EW site


quote:


Jon Gosselin in prime-time: anger, alcohol, Dr. Phil, and love: 'I love Hailey more than Kate'
by Ken Tucker

Jon Gosselin dug himself into a deep hole this morning on Good Morning America with a clip of him saying of his wife Kate, “I despise her.” But during tonight’s full-length version of that interview, shown as part of ABC’s Primetime: Family Secrets, Gosselin probably only made things worse for himself. Talking about his girlfriend Hailey Glassman, he said, “I love her more than I did Kate.”

Jon told interviewer Chris Cuomo, “I was abused. I went through therapy.” His message to Kate via the cameras? “Help me out. Go to therapy. Give me closure.”

“We were a better team before [Jon & Kate Plus Eight],” he told Cuomo on Tuesday night:

And indeed, it did sound pretty crass that the only therapy Kate would agree to was the celebrity kind: with Dr. Phil, said Jon. “I said, ‘Huh?’… It was all about protecting the brand [of Jon & Kate Plus Eight].” Jon declined to meet with Dr. Phil, who gave ABC a terse, “No comment.”

Jon’s comments today allowed Kate the opportunity to issue a classy-sounding response, saying, “For the sake of my children I maintain that I’m not going to go into details of aspects I believe should remain private.”

Here’s the thing: as those of us who used to watch Jon & Kate Plus Eight with pleasure during their rosy days know, Jon was always uncomfortable and less articulate in front of the cameras. That’s why Kate’s the one pursuing a TV career, such as her upcoming guest-host stint on The View.

To his credit, Cuomo quietly but persistently tried to point out to Jon, again and again, where he may be going off the rails. But what can you do with a guy who tells you one moment he’s been drinking a lot, and in the next breath says, “My father was an alcoholic,” that his grandfather was an alcoholic, and he knows he doesn’t want to inherit the disease?

Jon seems to tend toward making bad decisions, such as seriously considering a Divorced Dads Club show with Michael Lohan and Kevin Federline. “I don’t know,” he said when Cuomo asked if he was going to do that project. “That’s why I have a legal team. I might not be able to do it.” For his own sake and his kids, let’s hope someone prevents that.

Did you watch? What do you think of Jon Gosselin’s big media day?




http://www.tvclubhouse.com/cgi-bin/forum/board-post.cgi

Different clip at that link.

As for Dr Phil.. I do know that Kate has spoken to Robin Mc Graw.. Robin tweeted one day that she had just been on the phone with Kate, offering support and that Kate was a great mom. but that is all she said, that I saw.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 6:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
This sums it all for me:

“We were a better team before [Jon & Kate Plus Eight],” he told Cuomo on Tuesday night:

I'm telling you, that show (and money) ruined them.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
I agree Julie.........perhaps if the plug on the show had been pulled in May they would still be a couple.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 7:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
but if kate was so abusive, did the show make her abusive?
i think the show ruined them in the sense that jon was fine with how she treated him until people told him not to be.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 7:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I'm not saying the show made her abusive. She already was. And like you said, he USED to be okay with the way she was. It worked for them. And likely the abuse was not so bad cuz Jon likely did not even view it as abuse, just bossy.

Then they had the show. And he could see from a slightly different perspective, how Kate was treating him. And then his friends possibly questioned him. And tabloids would talk about how much she nagged/bullied/bossed him. That likely made him think twice.

And I bet he would have never thought twice if they never had that show. The two of them would be very busy working to pay the bills, so they would not even have time to analyze their relationship. THey (and especially Jon) would likely be unaware and happy.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
The reality is that statistics show that parents of multiples have a very high divorce rate. I don't think the show ruined their marriage...I think the show probably kept their marriage together longer than it probably would have otherwise lasted. Their personality types are vastly different and the strain of raising 8 children would have likely have taken its toll long before now. As it is they now have a nice nestegg to build their (separate) lives on.

I think, despite all of her faults (which she has never hesitated to show in front of the world), that Kate has acted a lot more respectfully towards Jon and their children throughout this separation process than Jon is now acting towards Kate. What he is doing now is not going to play very well in the eyes of a future judge. He is not being well advised, or perhaps he is ignoring the advice of his counsel.

Too bad the children are the ones who are going to pay the price. I'm not saying a divorce is bad for them because their marriage was flawed and the balance of power in the relationship was never a healthy thing, but dragging your childrens' mother through the press like this is not good for the children.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
My take on the interview:

I did not get the impression that Chris C. didn't like Jon. (And honestly, I think I wanted to see that. I don't watch him regularly, but my impression of Chris is that he is a really good guy and most unusual in his field of work...like extra moral and more morally decent than most others in his field.) (Adding this later...I don't think I saw the entire interview because I remember reading about Jon and drinking and I know I didn't see any of that. So, my opinion about Chris' feelings toward Jon may change when I see the rest of the interview.)

I did get the impression that Jon was angry and imo he actually yelled at Chris in a brief moment.

I think Jon is very frustrated that people are judging his parenting on his actions in his life now...ie: Hailey, partying etc. Very naive of Jon to think that, if that is how he thinks.

I think Jon is determined to be shown as "right". I think Kate is determined to do what is right for the kids and best for the kids.

I didn't think Jon was on drugs. I found Jon to be believable in most of what he said. I do think that alluding to Kate having an affair was a dirty trick and low and I think he was just jealous of the time she was having away from the family and that he didn't want to be "stuck" (not his word) home with the kids not having lobster dinners. I think he is just using that as trying to get the public to think Kate was having an affair because of what I just said and because he is trying to alleviate maybe guilt he feels about cheating on Kate or at least it looking in the media like he cheated on Kate. Kind of like what little kids do when they are questioned about inappropriate behavior and their instinct is to point out someone else's behavior.

I don't think I actually saw the part of the interview where he says he despises Kate.

Jon, if you ever read this...actions speak louder than words. You say you miss the day to day of being with the kids. If that is the case, then why did you move to NYC effectively removing yourself from them when it is not your court appointed time with them? Why are you on camera saying some of the things you've said that indicate you'd rather be in NYC? Why don't you realize that being shown in the media with other women so close to your break up with their mom is hurtful to your children?

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I think you all have summed it up well. Jon is making a lot of mis-steps and I wish his advisors and "legal team" would reign him in a bit. But I feel he is being honest about what happened and when.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think Jon is painfully honest or at least telling things as he sees them. He needs a good publicist or something.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I saw Jon on ET on my big screen, hi def tv and his eyes were sort of bloodshot and red rimmed. My thought was that he was wearing contacts. I have friends who wear contacts whose eyes always look like that.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Jon is reacting rather than acting. He feels he was told what to do for so long that he will not listen to what his advisors tell him. His divorce lawyer has to be furious with Jon. If he has the OK for his behavior from anyone in an advisory position, including friends and family, he needs to get rid of them. If he really did go to counseling, he didn't have a very good therapist if this is the way he spouts off in public. The time to rid himself of all his anger was in the therapist's office.

Kate may or may not have had counselling, but she is able to hold her feelings in check in public. Jon wants her to speak from her heart. Television, with their children able to see and hear everything that's been said, is not the place to speak from one's heart. Jon is so busy shooting himself in the foot, that he cannot think beyond this moment and his anger.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 12:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Well said Mama!

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Very nicely said, MB. I just can't help but wonder how Jon's kids are going to feel hearing that their dad "despises" their mom. He really needs to watch his mouth. He's going to break their little hearts, if he hasn't already. It's going to affect his relationship with them in the future, believe me. Kids remember that stuff.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I worry about just who IS advising him. If Michael Lohan and Kevin Federline are involved (and it sounds like Jon is actually still considering the reality show about divorced dads with them) then they may well be "advising" him in ways that will continue to stir up controversy, thinking that controversy will equal ratings for the Divorced Dad show .

It is sad for me to see Jon turning so vitriolic. I had always liked him, both of them and felt that despite his passive aggressive nature, which can be quite toxic, he really enjoyed the kids and being with them. Now, who knows?
I found that I had recorded the Prime Time interview upstairs so guess I'll watch that eventually .. With Big Brother and US Open Tennis, I'm falling behind with other stuff I've recorded..

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 1:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
To be honest, I never saw much of the show, but from what I've heard and read, I would be hard-pressed to call Kate's "nagging" and "bossiness" as abuse. If that's true, most of the wives in the US are abusers.

Was she disrespectful? Yes. But that's not "abuse". Verbal abuse is far more overt than the normal pettiness/power struggles/poor relationship skill that goes on in marriages, and to me, that's what this was. I know several married couples that have this kind of pestering relationship that are quite happy in fact.

To call it abuse diminishes the very real abuse that goes on every day in truly tragic households.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I'd say passive aggressiveness is a type of mental abuse, though.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Escapee, I don't agree, that's a lack in relationship skills. To me, abuse is what you *purposefully* do to undermine another person's entire being. PA is often subconscious, many people that do it don't even realize that's what they are doing.

Passive-aggressive is often the counterpart to bossy/nagging behavior; and is really a power struggle between two people who don't know how to get their needs met in healthy ways. They each have some kind of power over the other albeit in unhealthy ways.

It simply doesn't rise to the level of 'abuse' to me - which is more pervasive, more cruel/hateful, and the power structure is highly weighted if not entirely biased to one person.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I think his use of the word "abuse" is not a good choice. There are plenty of other words he could use: degrading, mean, nasty, rude, disrespectful, insulting. I think all of those apply and would make his point.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Unfortunately, I think some people (e.g. Jon) don't know what abuse is and tend to use these terms incorrectly when describing behavior. Either that or they are exaggerating to make a point.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Texannie and Huk'd, for your responses yesterday regarding Jon saying he 'despised' Kate.

Quote: (Jon saying...)
Then he said that Kate told him in September that the marriage was over, told him to do whatever he wanted, she was having an affair with the bodyguard.

Hmmm....

Re Jon needing to be right at this time, I have to disagree. Kate is the one who must be right at all times. That's what got them to the divorce stage.

Why would she want to air their dirty laundry on Dr. Phil? I guess a camera is a camera, eh?

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 3:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Cricket, I don't think she wanted to be ON Dr Phil, I think she just respects him and thought they should talk to him.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 4:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
if that was even true....

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 5:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Sabbatia, that's an important point. Is there a bigger fame lover than Dr Phil? Think he would hesitate a millionth of a second in airing anything Jon and Kate had filmed? So if it's true they talked to Dr Phil at Kate's request it had to have been as a private conversation because he was someone Kate trusted as a counselor. Perhaps she was paranoid that an unknown doctor might 'leak' anything said.

Re: the bodyguard... if I was him or (perhaps especially) his wife I would be getting REALLY close to suing Jon for slander. If he wants to trash talk his wife then that's one thing but to repeatedly drag this man and his family into the mud?

Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall when these two finally end up before a judge.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 5:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
unless the wife knows there were actually something to it!! OR she just would as soon try to keep the paps at bay.... Cuz suing would bring a whole lot of attention to their family. And I bet they already have had enough.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 6:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
If Kate is having, or did have, or could have an affair with the body guard, would the wife show up at picnics, take Kate to lunch, claim that they are friends? Not too many wives I know would act the way the body guard's wife is acting if she thought there was any truth to the "affair." The most telling part of Jon's claims of an affair was when he said that they traveled together while he was home taking care of the children. That sounds as if he was jealous that she got to go and do things while he was the neglected house husband at home. WELL, get a clue Jon. If Jon had been the go-getter who wrote a book and made public appearances, he could have had all that fun too. The kind of travel that Kate did isn't that much fun, it is more like work. It's normal for a body guard to travel with a client. He might have been the only person Kate could talk to without fear of being misquoted in the press, so they might have become friends. No benefits, just pals. But Jon, who hated being on television, hated being in the public eye, didn't want the fame, is now seeking his own show where HE can be the star. Maybe he just didn't want to share the spotlight with his articulate wife and adorable children.

Sorry for the ramble, but I am really getting sick of Jon and his public mental breakdown.