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Stacey718995
Member
07-05-2007
| Friday, June 05, 2009 - 6:57 pm
My gut tells me the guy is about to be torn to shreds but I think that was well written
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Crzndeb
Member
07-26-2004
| Friday, June 05, 2009 - 7:03 pm
I don't post here, but I feel the need. I haven't watched this season, but I seriously wonder if this marriage was over long before this season or maybe last. I have caught the shows from the past when they do the marathons. I have never seen any affection or attraction between Jon and Kate in any of the seasons I've watched. Correct me if I'm wrong. So do you think it's wrong for a marriage to be over (except you need to play it up for the camera, cuz you are making bank)or say we are separated and getting a divorce? And then if you are separated and aren't in love with each other anymore, can you start dating other people? I think they are in a difficult situation. I think there is no marriage left and hasn't been for a couple of years. I think it is really hard to fall in love with someone you have fallen out of love with. But they both both adore their kids, no denying that.
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Countrydaze
Member
11-07-2003
| Friday, June 05, 2009 - 7:19 pm
Wow, that made me stop and think. I have to agree with this and I will no longer watch the show and I will contact TLC and tell them why.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, June 05, 2009 - 7:45 pm
The Gosselins moved out of our neighborhood just before last Thanksgiving to a new million and half dollar home. Ironically, we're consistently told by one member of the family that money is scarce. To be honest, our little neighborhood is relieved that the publicity blitz went into high gear after they moved. Yes, the media still shows up to film their empty house and interview neighbors. I saw them here yesterday. But for me personally, knowing that the story is continuing to unfold, knowing that all kinds of people are responding and throwing around opinions, knowing that this has become the cultural event of the year, and knowing that 8 precious little lives are being forever shaped for life by both their parents' decisions and the decisions of a world enamored by the story, I decided to break my silence and answer the question many who know I was a neighbor have recently asked. . . "What do you think?" So, let me weigh in. . . The above is a paragraph from the above link. It made me realize that this whole "train wreck" is a result of more than just what decisions Jon and Kate made/make. It is also a result, in part, of the decision that the public (including those who are "anti-Kate" or "Anti-Jon" or even the I-love-the-whole-family-to-pieces-and-just-adore-those-children") makes to keep their eyes on this story...
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, June 05, 2009 - 7:54 pm
Boy oh boy, that article is SPOT ON!!! Totally and completely! I especially agree with every word he writes to Jon&Kate, to TLC, to Zondervan (Kate's publisher), to the families enamored by the Gosselins and to the churches that book Kate and/or Jon&Kate.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, June 05, 2009 - 8:10 pm
Wow, that was a well written, heart moving article. I still think its all so sad.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, June 05, 2009 - 10:23 pm
I'd trust the author way more if he didn't have books to sell. If he was so concerned, why did he wait until now when there is an absolute feeding frenzy to jump on the (gravy) train? Sorry, I don't trust his motives one bit.
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Lori32
Member
07-04-2008
| Friday, June 05, 2009 - 10:44 pm
And how is this Man blogging about J&K any better than any of the other journalists,tabloids and talk shows? Other than the fact that he doesn't have as large an audience? YET.. Sea I agree with you,I don't believe for a second he is a kind soul pleading with them to "Do the right thing"..
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 12:52 am
It sounds to me like he has a profound hatred for Kate and a little sour grapes IMHO.
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Countrydaze
Member
11-07-2003
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 6:53 am
That very well might be, but what he says is so true as to what they need to do and think about their children. Sour grapes or not enough is enough.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 7:28 am
I don't see hatred. This guy does sell books, but not even close to any kind of book he could write about the Gosselin Family. Check the rest of his blog out and you will see he is not a gossipy type guy with any type of motive other than he wants the family and the kids to be left alone. So the family can heal. No way can they even begin to heal with the limelight shining so very brightly on them. I feel for Kate. I think Jon up and "leaving" is a huge shock to her. As if he changed his mind about everything on a dime... Seems like Kate has no good girlfriend or mom or sister to help her. To perhaps say to her some of what the blog guy said. (I see no nastiness at all in his blog. Just the truth. Which can hurt.) Maybe TLC will start thinking about the bad rap they are getting and "pull the plug." For the sake of this family. But then they'd lose a ton of $$. Their newest promos for this show have "9.8 million viewers watched the last episode," plastered over the clips, so I am certain they are not looking to lose that viewership.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 7:45 am
Does anyone else feel really bad when they see the promo for the 100th episode? They start off by saying something like in the midst of bad times, there is something to celebrate... Then they show Jon and Kate looking like they are getting along (and how wonderful would it be if all of a sudden this "train wreck" did end up bringing them back together?!) and showing Emeril and happy and 100 episodes. But all I come up with is a sick feeling. Like TLC is trying to make us think things are better with them, and then I think they are playing games with the viewers and with this family. Then I feel sad and sick...
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Justpassingby
Member
08-14-2007
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 9:03 am
I've seen the promos--I think they may have been filmed before everything fell apart.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 9:19 am
so how many of you that agree with that article are going to quit watching? is it exploitation because there are children in the show? if so, are the Duggars and Roloffs being exploited? or is it only exploitation because the marriage is in trouble?
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 9:41 am
I think they are being exploited because the marriage is in trouble. That is what is making the ratings skyrocket. It makes me feel bad (sick even) because so many people are tuning in to watch people in pain. I probably watch it a bit less than I used to. Not sure that article will make me turn the show off, but I wholeheartedly believe that guy has the answer. I think pulling the plug is the way to go. (I also think she and Jon cannot see very clearly right now and they do not seem to have anyone objective on their side.)
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 9:58 am
Julie, can you see the conumdrum then for TLC then, people like you agree it's wrong for the show to air, but will still watch. TLC is all about ratings, not reading articles that probably in the long run generate more ratings.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 10:26 am
Julie, put me in the column 'watching for hopeful signs that progress is being made toward healing their marriage'.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 10:39 am
Kate loves her new career, I'm sure she has some feeling about pulling the plug and I have a feeling she'd really feel lost if she didn't have the show, the celebrity. I'm not sure that would bring Jon back. He seems "DUN". I'm no longer watching, but I didn't watch much last season either as it seemed like a 30 minute commercial for a new washer or new house or vacation spot. I do still watch the Roloffs and it never feels as fake and promotion oriented to me. I see more "real life" -- messy house and all.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 10:44 am
Well if I were a nielsen household, then maybe I'd make sure not to watch. Or even if i were a part of a huge group who were going to protest. I'm sure TLC is not going to cancel based just on me alone. The articles are written (and FWIW, the above was not an article, just a guy's blog) because the shows are aired. It's all a cycle/circle. But it all starts with the show. WIth no show, there are no articles. And it would be nice if TPTB at TLC would at the very least, take a hiatus for the benefit of this family. But money and ratings are at stake. I'll be in OG's camp, watching from time to time, in hopes that they do fix this mess.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 10:57 am
So you will disapprove at a watchful distance? LOL I am watching WNTW and a commerical came on for the next episode with the the American Chopper guys. Jon is saying to the camera saying something to the effect of 'it's nice to hang out with guys cause I only have female friends..well, you all know that' LOL that tickled me.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 11:18 am
Julie, I honestly have no interest in his blog.. and that is exactly what I think he wants.. IMO, if you want to help someone, you offer your help, calmly. And then you allow THEM to decide if you want that help. You make sure that they know you are there if they should choose to take you up on the offer. You don't go on tv and do interviews, or blog for the world, especially when you may only think you know what the exact situation may be. Of course I watch for hopeful signs for them, but I don't think all of the bloggers, "experts", talking heads and even true experts are helping. And I don't think the vast majority of them WANT to actually help, just to get their bit of exposure.. They might not mind if they did help, mind you, some of them, but others, I think are incredibly happy with how things are going (which seems to be not so well, judging from public behavior). I didn't see hatred in the article, I saw exploitation and seeking publicity on the backs of people who are hurting, even IF "everyone told him" to blog about it. If TLC or any other network/production company, etc., took everthing off the air that might hurt someone.. we'd be looking at test patterns. And I mean that might hurt the actors, the reality people on the show, or the public.. see the articles recently in Newsweek about Oprah's influence to the detriment of some of her viewers. When my free copy of Entertainment Weekly arrived yesterday, the cover talked of Best and Worst Reality Shows of all time. And oddly, my first thought, of shows I have seen, was The Swan. Honestly, no idea why that popped into my mind, but it did. Anyway, their lists: Worst: *1. The Swam (Fox, 2004) (I was gobsmacked to see that) 2. Britney and Kevin: Chaotic (UPN, 2005) 3. Are You Hot?: The Search for America's Sexiets People (ABC, 2003) 4. Who Wants To Marry a Multi-Millionares? (Fox, 2000) *5. The Anna Nicole Show (E!, 2002-03) *6. American Idol and DWTS results shows (AI: Fox, 2002-present; DWTS: ABC, 2005-present) 7. Cheaters (synd, 2000-present) *8. Kill Reality (E!, 2005) *9. Boy Meets Boy (Bravo, 2003) 10. Skating With the Celebrities (Fox, 2006) * those I watched.. Anna Nicole, after one season, I was done, felt SO sad for her. AI/DWTS, love the shows, hate the way the results are dragged out..so agree with them, Kill Reality.. agree with them.."the tribe has upchucked", Boy Meets Boy, agree with them it was Cruel, offensive and boring. Skating.. lasted one episode. What THEY consider the best.. agree with some not at all with others.. *1. Survivor (CBS, 2000-present) (they gave season 1 the nod for best season) *2. TAR (CBS, 2001-present) (I'd switch this to 1, Survivor 2) They say season 2 best with Tara/Wil losing out at the end. *3. The Osbournes (MTV, 2002-05) best season 1.. agree on that! *4. Project Runway (Bravo, 2004-2008; Lifetime, 2009-present) they liked season 2 best *5. Real World (MTV, 1992-present) They liked San Francisco season 3 best, agree on that! *6. American Idol (Fox, 2002-present) They liked season 5 7. Jackass (MTV, 2000-02) they liked season 1, I never watched. *8. Top Chef (Bravo, 2006-present) they liked season 1 and 3, have to agree. 9. Project Greenlight (HBO, 2001-03; Bravo, 2005) they liked season 2, never watched it myself. 10. America's Next Top Model (UPN, 2003-06; The CW, 2006-present) They favored season 3, never watched it. *11. The Bachelor (ABC, 2002-present) They liked season 13. 12. Bands on the Run (VH1, 2001) Missed this one. *13. RealHousewives of... (Bravo, 2006-present) they likd NY season 1. I watched 2 sesons of OC, one of NY.. and was done. 14. The Hills (MTV, 2006-present) they liked season 3, never saw it. *15. Big Brother (CBS, 2000-present) they favor season 2 16. Blind Date (synd, 199902006) they like any season. Never saw it. *17. Deadliest Catch (Discovery, 2005-present) They like season 3. *18. The Apprentice (NBC, 2004-present) They liked season 1 best. *19. Jon & Kate Plus Eight (TLD, 2007-present) they liked season 3 for the special day episodes and Jon getting hair plugs. 20. Flavor of Love (VH1, 2006-08) they liked season 1. Never watched it. Interesting is that they seemed to not favor the mean shows as much, but consider J&K+8 on the best list.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 11:23 am
Let me add, that of course I don't consider Entertainment Weekly to have all the answers and I don't like all the shows they like, but still found it interesting that they mostly dissed the hurtful shows and that this one made it on the other list.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-05-2007
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 11:40 am
I am curious if the man's blog was all about how terrible Jon was to leave Kate if it would have support here. I agree with the man and I have no book to sell; for the sake of the kids they should end the show. When they crossed the line to publically trash one another in some form I was done with them as parents. I feel that the kids would benefit greatly from this forum being removed from their lives. I don't care if anyone watches the show or not. My mother feels as strongly as I do that they should end the show but she still watches it faithfully. It isn't my place to tease her nicely or make her feel guilt about that even in a playful way. I share my opinions on Jon and Kate with her as I do here, but watching it is your own prerogative. As long as it is out there they are going to have an audience. As long as they have an audience TLC is going to continue to offer a contract for it. I don't know the terms of their contract and how long they are required to film until they are offered a new one. At that time it is only the responsibility of the parents to make a decision to continue this show. I hope they at that time step up and be parents first by walking away from the offer.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 12:27 pm
Stacey, cannot speak for anyone but myself, but nope.. he doesn't get shots at Jon, either, just so he can get people to read his blog. I'm sure for myself, I'd agree as well, and make totally different decisions than J/K may have made, but I'm not J or K. They don't make my decisions; I don't make theirs. Hopefully, they will feel they have the wherewithall to walk when the time comes. Hopefuly they'll get some individual thearpy, too, if they can work with that. I do think Kate's early life left her feeling like it is a life/death matter to be able to support herself and then they had 8 kids instead of the three they thought the'd end up with and panic set in. What they've ended up with has exacerbated some problems but far, far worse outcomes have existed for other families. I fault them less thatn I'd fault the families who include their children in reality shows when they are already well off. (Denise Richards, for example, Anna Nicole Smith, for another, though she was pretty much a child, herself.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-05-2007
| Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 12:49 pm
I agree with that Sea. I don't fault them for doing the show. I never faulted them for taking advantage of what others CHOSE to give to them. If I ever saw them seek out free trips and homes, not just the speculation that they did that, I would have been bothered by that. I enjoyed the show for several years even when I didn't agree with the way they treated one another. I did fault them for allowing Maddie to have her breakdowns shown on camera, but they seemed to stop that in the last season. I also would not fault them for continuing the show showing them separately with their children and never giving us an explanation. I just vehemently disagree with their decision to put answering the public before what is best for their children, in particular, the words they said. It may be because as a teacher that works in an area that deals more one on one with parents and children, I see parents take their anger public by trashing the ex spouse to me and many times in front of the child. I am not saying that it is easy to bury that anger but you have to be the adult 100% of the time with a child. It just really bothers me, probably because I see first hand what that does to the child.
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