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Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 5:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I thought there was nothing genuine about Kate's interview last night and they were all canned answers. To me it seems she will do or say anything to keep this gravy train on the tracks.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 6:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
The only thing that makes Kate's answers seemed 'canned' is that she keep getting asked the same questions over and over again. I thought she came across as honest and poised. Good for her!

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 6:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
To me she came across as someone trying to hide the truth to keep her show going.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 6:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
And like I have always thought, I still believe Kate's horrendous treatment of her husband through the years is what lead to all of this garbage in the first place.

Really, for me there is one ep that says it all. The ep where they are Christmas shopping, and Kate scream across the entire store for Jon to come to her. Like he is a dog.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
if Kate is trying to stay on the gravy train, then Jon is on it with her.

i truly would hate for my whole life to be judged on one incident of bad behavior, and i have had more than one.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 8:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
i just want to add, i can't help but cringe when i see that episode or other early ones when she would scream/berate at him. i don't think that's appropriate for any reason. can i possibly understand it? Yes. have i seen her getting better, less stressed, OCD since the kids are getting older? Yes. Would I rather look at all the positive things, experiences, hugs and kisses she gives her kids than focus on the negative? Yes. At least she is trying.
Jon, on the other, i always admired his hands on parenting, laid back style. But lately he just seems to be disinterested in his kids. It's one thing to divorce a wife, but he doesn't seem like he wants to be a dad.
I am sure neither of them planned on having 8 kids. But they do.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 7:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Texannie, I wasn't trying to judge from one incident. I really wasn't. I was just saying that one incident for me best represents the overall tone of most of the incidents.

eta: and by gravy train, I mean the TLC TV show. Jon doesn't seem to want the TV show to continue, while Kate does.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
he wants his own separate gravy train! LOL

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 8:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
If Jon's train was on a Monopoly railroad, it would be the Short Line.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 9:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
With some of the public it seems like Kate can't win for losing. If she keeps her head down and doesn't say a word, then she's playing the victim. If she does interviews (possibly as part of her TLC contract) where she's asked the same questions over and over which she's already stated she doesn't want to answer, then she's not genuine. If she does the show then she's money hungry, if she doesn't do the show and can't make enough money with a regular 9 to 5 to support all 8 of those children then people would start demanding her kids get taken away and shake their fist at the possibility of their taxes going to her for public assistance.

What do the Kate <100> want her to say to make her seem genuine? Give the public the full scoop to satisfy their curiosity? Or do they want her to just take full 100% blame for the divorce which in reality no one is 100% to blame. If she chooses to not disclose the full details to the public of what caused the demise of her marriage then that's her personal choice, whether it's to protect the kids or not; however, she has specifically stated more than once that she is protecting her children. What if the real truth was that she came home one day and caught Jon in bed with a young lady (or vice versa) and that was the start of the end of her marriage for them. Would they like her to share that and then have the kids find out in the media? Maybe, just maybe, there's a legitimate reason she isn't saying anything because perhaps the truth would possibly hurt the kids, despite whether the fault lies with her or Jon. But even if it wouldn't hurt the children, despite my curiosity, it doesn't matter what her perspective is for the end of the marriage, it's her personal business to choose to share or not to share.

I just don't understand what the public wants from her; it's like they want to draw blood; she can't do anything right in their eyes. The woman is suffering the loss of her marriage, she should be able to grieve and conduct herself how she sees fit. Whether she ended the marriage or not, or whether it ended a year ago or a few months ago, it doesn't mean she can't still grieve her situation and lament the loss of what she didn't fathom to happen when she first said "I do." I wish people would give the woman a break, at least the way some of them give Jon a pass on his actions and seem to justify his acts. At least she's discreet if she is dating or has a friend with benefits situation, and the kids aren't able to see it; although, she states she's not dating. And at least she hasn't been caught in multiple bold face lies.

According to some of her critics, her tears are fake, her pain is fake, her answers are fake, they claim nothing she says is the truth, and her only love is of money, I mean wow, does the public think the woman is a sociopath? [Rhetorical] My goodness, it's astounding to me that the woman can't catch a break for nothing!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Great post Ahnicka!

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 10:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Thanks Huk

Naja
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06-28-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I think we are soon to have a better interview from Jon, according to this article.

<snipet>When RadarOnline asked the father of eight what he thought about Kate Gosselin’s appearance on "Larry King Live" Tuesday night, he complained, “She didn’t say anything. She just kept on redirecting and avoiding answering the questions.”

Given the same platform, Jon Gosselin promised he’d have plenty to say.</snipet>





http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32573905/ns/entertainment-gossip/

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Kate is, if nothing else, a good mother. Her children seem happy and well adjusted, which goes a long way for a brood of that size. Each child gets her personal attention, she focuses on nutrition, education, love and what's best for her kids. If she had to berate, belittle and publicize her life so her children have that, that's her choice. There are a lot worse mothers out there. I don't think Kate has done much, if anything, that wasn't in some way directly to benefit her children. You can't say the same for Jon. I watch interviews with them where he was just totally removed. He didn't care what was being said, and the passive aggressive nature he protrayed very early on in the the shows, I knew he'd checked out of the marriage long ago.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Wow Ahnicka, great post! You said exactly what I've been feeling.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 10:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Wow Ahnicka, great post! You said exactly what I've been feeling.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I found the interview frustrating to watch because she holds back so much information. You can see it in her face, in her pause when asked if Jon was a good father. Her answers are extremely controlled. So, I'm not sure what the point is in doing these interviews? They get her bad press on the other channels because they are saying the same thing -- why go on a talk show if you're not going to talk?

When LK asked about her show and if she'd do it without Jon she just kept answering that it was TLC's decision, that's for them to decide. Even LK commented about why are you letting them run everything. Why can't she just say what she's feeling, what she's thinking?! "Oh yes, Larry, I'd gladly keep working with TLC. I love doing the show and I think just the kids and I would make a fun and entertaining show."

It's like her demeanor is so poised, so controlled. I can't tell if she seething underneath it all or hurting or what. She doesn't come across as very sympathetic or likable and I think that's what they are trying to portray and are failing at.

Kittyab
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07-16-2005

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I wouldnt want to be in Kate's shoes. She has to raise the 8 kids by her self. The little I saw Jon on the show he was more of a hinderance then a help to her. I think thats why we saw such frustration from her about him. And now he is acting like a playboy in the media humilating her more.

As for the interviews, we dont know what she is allowed to reveal or not. She is under contract and we dont know what court orders she is under. She may not be allowed to throw Jon under the bus publically even if she wanted to.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 11:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
She is also under the advice of a divorce attorney who has undoubtedly told her that if she is going to do these interviews to keep herself reined in and not give Jon and HIS divorce attorney any fodder to put in front of a judge. Her scene at the house is enough, but probably not as bad as some of Jon's actions lately...she doesn't need to give them any ammunition when the real circus begins (their divorce trial).

Kittyab
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07-16-2005

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 11:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I agree Roxip, Parental Alienation is serious. She can not say or do anything to make Jon look bad to the kids. Of course he is doing that all by himself.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Wow Ahnicka, great post! You said exactly what I've been feeling.


i agree 100%

Glenrie
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03-24-2006

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Glenrie a private message Print Post    
Fantastic Ahnicka, Escapee and Kittyab! I agree and truly don't understand the lack of compassion being shown to Kate.(and never will so this is not an invite to tell me otherwise)
I admire the way she is handling this situation!

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I don't think Kate is comfortable having to do controlled interviews. She always said and still says that on J&K+8, you see the real deal, that it is the most real reality show there is.

We saw enough of her yelling and complaining footage over the years where I think she never held back...never censored herself at all. And now she has to. I don't think it is in her nature to be so careful about what she has to say or how she has to say it.

(And I think she should have been more careful about how she talked to Jon some of the time...the Toys R Us shopping incident of years ago is a good example. Jon even talked to her about it on camera and she had no idea she came off sounding so harsh and demeaning to him and embarrassing for her. But at least she listened to him instead of getting defensive and she apologized...I think she apologized, but I don't remember for sure.)

So, I think it is hard for her to do these interviews with that factor alone, not to mention that now she is grieving the end of her marriage, something she (at least for a long time) didn't want and didn't imagine, and that is what a lot of the questions are about... and is probably fearful of anything further hurting her kids.

She is not perfect, no one is. But I think she is doing a pretty good job overall, at least from what we've seen over the past few mos., of being a good mom...and doing ok in the interviews/public eye.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I've never been a big Kate fan but I think that she is doing about as good as she can at this point.