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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 2:58 pm
again, mean mom here. i understood her frustration, lesson and the reason why she didn't throw it out after all. i have always taught 'logical consequences' if my kids knew they weren't supposed to do something and then something of theirs was ruined as a result, then too bad.
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 3:22 pm
This board is NOT more ANTI-KATE at all. <100> I'm on the kids team. Tish, where are you!!!
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 3:53 pm
I think this board is more pro-Kate than other places I chat and it does puzzle me. Maybe the suggestion that there are more divorced moms here is the reason why. Most of the moms I talk to, the ones who've watched the show and liked Kate at first, all agree she's gotten meaner towards Jon and towards the kids. And we are also shocked how rude she is to the visitors she has to her home (the solar guy, Emeril, etc.) I don't think it's that we don't appreciate her humor -- I love snarkiness as much as anyone, there's just a sense of entitlement and rudeness about her that has turned us off.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 4:12 pm
<100>- I often read here - BAsically I think you post more when you find a prevailing feeling of people agreeing with you - maybe that makes sense!! but still the pro Kate contingent is strong - and I'm on a Disney board (also heavily moderated!) that has a thread for J&K - its seems to be more middle of the road - equal hate time for both - maybe I just feel more comfortable with that view point... i konw its me - not the board or posters
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Glenrie
Member
03-24-2006
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 4:40 pm
I'm 55, married, 2 kids, never divorced and am in the pro Kate group. This board feels much more balanced right now, but there was a time when I felt like a speck of sand blowing in the wind of Jon's supporters.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 5:09 pm
ITA Glenrie. We heard and saw plenty of support for Jon early on. Little was said about Kate other than how horrible she was to Jon and how mean she was to her children. I never felt that way at all. I saw Jon right from the beginning as playing a victim role, a martyr if you will. I don't think we saw a ton of people coming out in support of Kate until this break-up. Jon's words at the finale did not match up with what we saw in the tabloids, so some people began feeling sorry for what Kate was probably putting up with behind the scenes. He continues to show that he is more interested in finding himself, despite his claims that everything is for the children. I don't believe him. As I've said before, time will tell how this will all play out.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 6:22 pm
I was more pro-Jon than pro-Kate maybe because I didn't always watch the show and caught a few episodes where I just couldn't believe how controlling she was, and that wasn't with Jon. I remember an episode where she was trying to hire a house keeper and had to check each book in the kids' bedroom to make sure they were dusted every day. That type of personality just turned me off. All I could think of was, "You have 8 kids and you're worried about books being dusted DAILY? How about spending time w/your kids?" I always felt something had to give a bit one way or the other. I used to watch my kids when they played outside even after they were no longer "babies." I must be honest, I went too far in not get enough house work done, though! LOL Even I couldn't stand it. That being said, if it meant spending all day cleaning as opposed to spending some time with my kids when they were little, I'd pick the kids any day. I can't believe how fast my kids have grown up and are over 20! Where did the time go?! I'm surely not that much older, so how can they be? LOL I would have loved a housekeeper w/only 3 kids, even if they came once a week or two. Lately, I haven't been fond of Jon for complaining about "losing his 20s." I don't like that for many reasons. How are the kids going to feel when they go back when they're older and read that somewhere? Anything that hurts the kids is what I really hate. I have a relative who waited until the last of his 3 boys graduated HS. Now I hear of what a shrew his wife is and has been and I never saw it. Yes, we are different when others aren't around. His brother says he's seen the behavior. Well, I can sympathize with her because she had no idea he as going to walk out and then have a girlfriend so fast - uh yeah, maybe a bit longer than "after!" So he got treated badly. Break up first! I understand why she's bitter and out for his throat now. I've tried to explain to him why and he gets all defensive and I told him, I'm just trying to help you understand why she is acting the way she is. Most people would. Think of it if the situation were reversed. How would YOU feel? Oh and guess how well that staying until the kids were grown worked out? They won't speak to him. Maybe that will change in time, but in some respects, they might have adjusted easier when they were younger. Who I find the victims in all of this are the kids. I'm on team kids. Period.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 7:30 pm
This board leans way more to the side of pro-kate. <93> And I am amazed that no one is questioning the authenticity of the Jon interview by INTOUCH. Now I bet if it were a similar interview with Kate, tons of people would be all of the authenticity of it. The kids ARE the victims and it doesn't matter who is right or wrong between Kate and/or Jon. The kids lose because they are BOTH equally making poor decisions. The main one being that the show is still even on.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 8:19 pm
Too late to edit my last post, but I wanted to add that not a single hint of anyone being pro-(either parent) over pro-kid has been seen here. We all want the kids to be thought of first. I guess that's what makes people choose sides with the parents. Personally, Jon's choices of what he is putting out there by being in the public eye hobknobbing with multiple women, globetrotting, etc. far outweigh Kate's issues. I think it shows a real immaturity and selfishness on his part, in addition to making me question the sincerity of his statements about "kids first". Both parents said they want what's best for the children, but Jon isn't showing that he was serious about that. As long as he continues to have this need to "find himself", I will be anti-Jon. So if that translates into pro-Kate, so be it.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 8:58 pm
And I am amazed that no one is questioning the authenticity of the Jon interview by INTOUCH. Now I bet if it were a similar interview with Kate, tons of people would be all of the authenticity of it. I guess it would be up to people who like Jon to question that interview.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:03 pm
I don't really see how this interview is going to be so damaging to the kids. He doesn't bad mouth Kate. The kids may google things later on when they are older and see the tabloid photos. They also may stumble upon the tabloid story that Kate was having a thing with her bodyguard. I think we mostly agree we don't see enough evidence to support that, but the story is out there. I think what harms the kids more is the day to day life they lead. Their mother doesn't play with them, unless it's some set up (ie. camping) for the camera and the episode. She sits in a beach chair tanning while her kids play alone or with each other. She's so uptight about their clothes, not using markers, not letting them get dirty, and on and on and on. All of that day to day life I think is more relevant to them now, especially when they don't have it offset by very laid back dad who did play with them a lot. I'm sure they miss him terribly when he's gone. That concerns me more, that he will spend less and less time with them as he's off chasing chicks. Some interview that says a lot of nothing doesn't rile me.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:37 pm
The only thing I've ever seen from Kate is a very good, caring mother who loves her children and spends a lot of time with them. She's not out roaming the world with young 20-something boys. <93>
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:45 pm
We saw Kate sitting on a chair by the pool, but we also saw her burying the kids in the sand and interacting with them. What is the evidence that she doesn't play with them unless it's a setup? We have pictures and videos of Jon meeting the fans and tabloid reporters at the gate. I would assume that his children are playing by themselves while Jon is indulging in this behavior. Is he a horrible parent like Kate, ignoring his children while they are in his care? In the interview, Jon publicly announces that the divorce was Kate's fault. He also compares the way Hailey treats him (indulging all of his wants) with how Kate treated him, and he is NOT positive about Kate. Was there any need to go public with these details? Was there any need for a man who speaks so derisively of paparazzi and lack of privacy to reveal such information to the public? It just seems very much an issue of damage control to me, but I know others see it differently.
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Moderator
Moderator
06-29-2002
| Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:16 pm
Please note that moderation is NOT about who you like or dislike (or hate). You are allowed to not like or like people on reality shows and say so. What you are not allowed to do: Name call Bash Use profanity Comment on other posters instead of the people on the show. Tell other posters what to post or that they should or shouldn't post. Comment on moderation.
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Spitfire
Member
07-17-2002
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 7:35 am
Late to the party but I'm a married mom of 2 and have always been on team Kate. That does not mean that I have not enjoyed Jon as well, but have never had any issues with Kate. I have never felt that the kids are being damaged by doing the show. I have always believed that Kate needed to be controlling to keep control and order in her house. I have also saw a nice balance of play time included in there and believe that most families strive on a daily basis for this balance. If there may be any damaging factors come out of this show it seems like it may be from their fathers behaviour. Not that everyone does not deserve to move on but I think he making some bad choices right now. Real bad!
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Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 7:39 am
My take in this all is none of us know what goes on when the camera's are not rolling. I do not think Kate or Jon are bad people at all.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 10:01 am
how do we know what kate does or doesn't do off camera???
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 10:19 am
I don't have issues with Kate as a parent, I think she does a good job considering there are 8 of them to parent and Jon is a good parent too. I did however have issues with her as a wife and how she spoke to and treated Jon especially in front of the kids. I also get the feeling she's often acting for the camera in the way she thinks her fans want her to act. I think she fell out of love with Jon but was willing to fake it for the show. These are just my feelings because I believe Jon's version that last October Kate told him -I'm done we both have to live out own lives- and when Jon asked to do couples counseling Kate wasn't interested. Kate seems to be the one playing the wronged party and frankly I don't trust her to be honest, not when her reality TV job and book writing career is at stake. Her latest book has been postponed, I'm sure she needs to make sure her reputation stays in tack. I don't buy into the bad wrap that Jon gets over dating young females, he can date whom ever he wants and so can Kate. At this point who they date should be a moot point. I've said this before, if Jon does truly fall in love again he'll marry and have more kids. That will be a HEADLINE, even if it's 5 years.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 10:51 am
Of course they are each going to spin things to look best for themselves, but I think if Jon were not speaking mostly truthful about Kate saying to him about the separate lives months ago, that Kate would be all over the media correcting him. I don't have any doubt that she loves her kids, but some of the ways she treats them I don't think are nice at all. I've had my own Kate moments and I don't regard them as shining examples of how to treat my child, but as the exact way I don't want to! So, seeing some of her behavior reminds me of how I wouldn't treat a spouse or treat a child. Yes, and Jon going after the young gals. Such typical male behavior to date younger -- annoying and yet not at all surprising. Does anyone here really think he'd look for a middle aged divorcee with kids of her own? I don't think so.
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 10:54 am
Of course Jon can date whomever he wants, whenver he wants....The major ICK factor for me is.....how fast, how many, and how indiscreet hes being. IMO thats just wrong.... But apparently Kate will be on The Today show on Monday telling her side... From usmagazine.com - Kate Gosselin to Break Her Silence Get ready to hear Kate Gosselin's side of the story. The mother of eight is set to appear on NBC's Today show Monday, according to an advertisement on the morning show's website. It will be the first time Kate has spoken since her husband Jon made headlines for dating 22-year-old Hailey Glassman just 20 days after announcing he and his wife were splitting. (Asked what Kate thinks of party girl Glassman -- the daughter of the surgeon who performed Kate's 2006 tummy tuck -- Jon told photographers in July, "I guess you'd have to ask Kate.") Less than a week later, Jon was spotted dining with a tabloid reporter Kate Major, who resigned over their relationship. The new issue of Us Weekly(on newsstands now) also reports that he brought a 23-year-old cocktail waitress to his children's home in Wernersville, Pa., at 3 a.m. Aug. 1.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 11:10 am
Oh Good! Now we get to hear both sides, and of course somewhere in the middle lies the truth. 
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 12:36 pm
I pray Kate takes the high road on that interview.
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Mindeegap
Member
07-20-2009
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 1:45 pm
I promised myself I wouldn't post here again...yeah...I don't care about John or Kate. My heart breaks for the kids. I don't care how many (and we can all make wagers on how many, there will be many) women Jon dates. I just think if he is the man he says he is, then he could have waited for the divorce to be final. Why not get yourself together get through the divorce and then start dating. That he was doing it before the door even got closed good on his way out, just makes me like him even less than Kate.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 2:01 pm
So much for it being too soon to bring Hailey to the house (even though he brought the schoolteacher.. oh, the one he never mentions.. to the house earlier) but now he brings a random 23 year old at 3am? Well gosh Mr Mom.. guess that means you weren't available to your kids that night/morning. As for who, how often, etc.. it might be less of an issue if Jon hadn't talked about not wanting his kids to google embarrassing stuff later. And I'm quite sure that when the kids are older they will either question the who, how soon, how many issues.. or they will perhaps emulate them. I think Kate AND Jon were disrespectful to each other on camera.. Jon's eyerolls and mocking looks behind her back spoke every bit as loudly as her sniping at him.. and actually can be much harder to deal with..
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 2:26 pm
Tish, did you hear Kate say to Jon....What planet are you from?? lol! Perfect kate said it. imagine that!
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