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Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 7:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
I am glad this is the last show and I am hoping the repeats fade out quickly. This has got to have been the most inane show and the furor and hype has been off the charts. Soon Jon will live in a studio apt where he will drink to much beer and have a beer gut and wear stained t-shirts while she will have to sell up and go live in a 3/2 split ranch and will gain weight and wear oversized t-shirts and jeans and her hair will be in a pony tail all the time.

Then everyone will be happy :-)

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
aaarg....

it is so pathetically sad. You see "celebrities" or "actors" implode... he wasnt made for this life... I just see him as a man with no clue.. no direction... When he was married in the earlier years (Mother's Day) he had a direction, a purpose - that we saw... (when cameras are off? Purpotedly he was surfing online... a life I sure would love to lead!!)

I dont know why when I watched portions (I couldnt watch 100%) of the "last show" I was so critical - every time she yelled at a child... (and I know its not fair - no need to defend her actions - she is the mom - she gets to decide... I'm the "critical one" which is sad... and wrong!!)

Lastly... this morning on GMA who should be on? Octomom and her kids... I was equally apalled - she put 2 babies in the table chair (without strapping them in ) then obliged Kate to see into the nursery to get the other 6 on camera... she walked away from the original 2 - surely there was another person around (producer etc) that had an eye on those kids... $10,000 a month on people to come in - again... am I being critical? probably...

because in the end, its none of my busines - except they keep filming!! making it public.

Lets speculate 10 - 15 years from now - how will this "Interruption" affect their lives...How will they survive on their own in college? How will divorce affect them? How will so very much film - and so many critical "observations" affect them

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 8:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Speculation - They will be on a "Where are they now" show hosted by Joan Lunden or Katie Couric. And people will go... oh yeah, I remember them..there was some kind of furor over them at one time...

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
LOL - I thought I deleted that part - it was kind of hookey!! oops - I would have edited it out, but since Terolyn commented on it... I wont...

its just I"d rather focus on the kids - being kinds, than on the bad behavior of all the adults...

(and did anyone else think it was weird when they walked to the cows - that the other woman heper - her face was blurred out? Whats up with that? does she not want to be filmed? Does Kate not want her filmed? Does TLC now have to pay people that are on film? I'm glad Kate has friends she can call crying at 1 am - I cant imagine how tough it is - watching Octomom who is still getting up all hours, and no sleep - Life with little ones is tough - so grateful I'm beyond those years!!!

but maybe I'm jaded, I just dont believe either Kate and Jon - they each have an agenda to put forth - )

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 8:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Jon and the older girls were making posters for the lemonade stand. Mady and Cara were arguing about the different magic markers, but were coloring while sniping at each other. Jon yells at some of the little ones who were riding bikes near the cars.
I don’t know if they edited something out, or if Mady just didn’t like hearing Jon yelling at the little ones, but she said, “I like the stuff we do with Mommy.” Jon said, “O.k., you’re done. Leave the table.” He immediately grabbed the marker out of Mady’s hand and said “Good-bye, see ya.” Mady really didn’t fuss much, but said as she left the table, “Don’t finish my poster for me” to which Jon replied, “No, your poster’s going in the trash can.” Mady said, while walking towards the house, “No it’s not” and Jon said, “Yes it is. You’re done.” He then turned to Cara and said “I think both of you should stay home. You’re both unappreciative. Just stop doing your poster.” Cara said “Why”. Jon said “Just go in the house. Stay in the house.” Cara said “But I didn’t do anything Daddy, I wasn’t doing anything!” Jon grabs the marker from Cara’s hand, holds it up and says, “It’s this. Good bye. I’m not kidding, I’m in charge. See ya”

He totally overreacted with those two girls last night, when they were just cranky like kids get. For someone who is seeing his children only periodically now, he sure was quick to dump them when they didn’t do things his way. Over the years, Kate has been nailed to the cross with rusty nails for her reactions to things like gum being stuck on a blanket.

Jon got his time with the paps at the stand, and tried (but totally failed, IMO) to make himself look good by doing this charity thing. In reality, he got his face in the media, got to dump his two older girls onto a babysitter, and dumped his sextuplets onto the babysitting volunteer firefighters. Jon actually said during a couch interview part, “If you can’t trust a firefighter, who can you trust? This was the perfect babysitting opportunity for my six kids.”

In actuality, he meant that he'd found the perfect way to get face time while dumping all 8 of his kids onto someone else. What a guy, what a great Dad.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 8:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Jon obviously needs the SuperNanny. He *decided* for them that they would do this lemonade stand for the firehouse. Then he made NO effort to make it fun for the kids. He was grumpy and hardly let them do anything and the few things they did do he criticized. And then when one makes a baiting (but true) remark about mommy, the truth hurts and Jon punishes her. No wonder they have more fun with mommy! She actually lets them participate in tasks and makes jokes with them. Yes, she can be harsh but she also makes an effort to make it fun.

At the firehouse, Jon doesn't get the kids involved again. They don't set out cups, take money, pour lemonade - nothing!

And in all that video, we don't see a playful Jon even once.

Kate was nutty to think five year olds could walk a mile. But once they got there she had a nice mix of letting them explore and getting them involved. She made jokes with them, pointed things out to get them interested and interacted with them in the tasks. Much better done.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I'm going to make a prediction:

When Jon finally realizes he singlehandedly sunk the money machine and is flat broke, he'll come crawling back to TLC asking for them to resume the show. We may never know about it, but I'll just bet it happens.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Wow Rissa, what an article!

When are people going to learn not to have private conversations with Michael Lohan, LOL. He's always recording conversations, and if he'll record and play for the media private convos regarding his daughter, then he'll do it to anyone.

I'm not going to get into the pedophile comment, it goes without saying how dispicable that is, but the recording does clearly show that Jon was well aware of the terms of his contract; thus aware of every time he was violating it.

He also discloses that his relationship with Hailey Glassman began May 4th.

I haven't payed much attention to their relationship, is this the same date Jon and Hailey always said it started?

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 11:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Wow, everyone sees things differently. I saw Kate bash Jon, but she does in in an innocuous way, so she fools most of the people.

Re the girls making the posters, remember, this was taped at the height of all the fighting and before taping was stopped. Maddy was manipulating her Dad, pure and simple. It's a case of divide and conquer. I went through it with my daughter. Maddy is a mini Kate; extremely strong personlity. Both twins should be in counseling. They know more of what has happened in the last year, but aren't able to discuss it. Instead, they are acting out, which disrupts the entire family. They should have someone other than their parents to talk to in confidence. Jon handled it right. Kate might have yelled at them, or been sarcastic, but still let them go. Jon gave them consequences. Although it seemed Cara got the short end of the stick, we don't know what was going on when the cameras weren't rolling. The girls were bickering and that's why they were punished.

What I saw was the younger kids being brought down by Maddy and Cara's constant bickering, so Jon punished them both and said they didn't have to bring it down for the younger ones just because they weren't into it.

I thought the trip to the Firehouse was a wonderful educational experience for the kids, both for showing them how to give to others and also for what they learned. They sure didn't like it much when their Dad 'disappeared' into the fireman uniform and were happy when he took the headgear off, lol.

For Kate to say Jon did this for publicity is what I mean by 'innocuous bashing.' She made me sick when she said that.

I couldn't count how many times she said "It's not right; it's too soon; not right for me and the children. Whew, good thing she remembered to add 'the children' 'cause she really means HER. She wanted two more years and feels it's okay for her to say this is how she provides for her children, but has the audacity to say Jon took the children to the Firehouse for publicity. Saying she didn't want them in the middle or around the media is a joke. The media was there on her walk to the farm, so what's the difference? The real Kate was captured on the show. The Kate who gives these hour interviews is acting, except for the woe is me I lost my show bit.

Kate finally cried real tears last night. Sadly, it wasn't for the loss of her marriage, but the loss of her show and her money.

I will stand up and cheer if just one person would publicly call her out on her hypocrisy.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 11:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
FROM EONLINE HERE IS THE TRANSCRIPT OF JON AND MICHAEL LOHAN. BOYO, WHAT A POTTY MOUTH JON HAS. I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN HIM.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b155228_michael_lohan_runs_out_of_family.html?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=imdb_tv-movies

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 11:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I wonder why Jon didnt fight for joint custody? Is it cuz he lives in NY?

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 11:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Lastly... this morning on GMA who should be on? Octomom and her kids... I was equally apalled - she put 2 babies in the table chair (without strapping them in ) then obliged Kate to see into the nursery to get the other 6 on camera... she walked away from the original 2 - surely there was another person around (producer etc) that had an eye on those kids... $10,000 a month on people to come in - again... am I being critical? probably...

Reader, first of all, you're not being critical, you're stating what you feel about what you saw. Secondly, was Octomom on GMA with Kate Gosselin this morning? Who is the Kate you are speaking of?

Octomom is spending $10,000/mo. for people to help with her children? Where is she getting the money?

I still don't understand Kate keeping her bodyguard @ a reported $1600/week. She seems fine to go about her shopping and workouts by herself. It seems she just has him and the nanny around for an extra set of hands...very expensive hands.

Aren't the children all in school now? That's why it's confusing.

Interesting that Octomom decided to have a lot of children seeking fame because of Kate G. Supposedly, when Kate realized how many children she was having, she was upset she wasn't getting the treatment the family that had 7 babies did...the McCaughey's (?) She thought she and Jon should get a new house, etc. I'd say now she has surpassed the McCaugheys in freebies and easy income.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I would cry over the loss of my money and my career, especially if my cheating husband was the one who took them away from me. I'd be sad at the thought that opportunities that my children and I had we no longer have. I don't see where it's a bad thing, especially since she was asked directly about this on the series finale.

Jon doesn't seem broken up about his marriage being over, and has happily moved on to greener pastures, with grazing stops in other pastures. No one is complaining because he isn't sad enough so I don't know what else is expected from Kate. I mean, Jon stated flat out, that they would never be married again and talked about moving on with Hailey. In fact, he said he's happy to be living in the city and "escaping to his country home" when it gets to stressful. Nice for him that his kids aren't his priority, escaping from the city is.

I don't think we can judge why Kate needs a bodyguard (and Jon also has one, but we'll just ignore that). People are crazy and seem to think that Kate is evil, so it's not surprising that there may be some concern for her safety. It's also a matter of someone keeping photographers and reporters at a distance.

I assume that the blurred babysitter is the one that Kate and Jon referred to in the Harlem Globetrotters episode, the one that prefers to remain unidentified. Kate said her hours vary so she might be working less now that the kids are in school. The farm filming was done when the girls were in school but the little kids were not, so it was a while ago.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Regarding the fireman gear Jon put on: The purpose was to let the kids know if they were ever in a situation and saw the 'scarey' firemen in their house they needen't be afraid. So, what was the first thing Jon did? He went right up to the kids and made monster sounds. I have to credit the fireman; he immediately jumped in and eased the kids minds that it was still daddy. Jon's thick as a plank sometimes.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
When are people going to learn not to have private conversations with Michael Lohan, LOL. LOL Ahnicka, no kidding. Even his own daughter has audio tapes out there thanks to daddy.

Huk, good summary but I am pretty sure you have the twins reversed. I remember thinking that it is unusual for Cara to be snippy with Jon.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Re-read my synopsis. Nope, that's how it went down.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 12:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I'm pretty sure what Kate meant by him exploiting the kids for publicity had to do with the fact that he wore his TLC bashing t-shirt (his just said lies but in the same timeframe, Hailey was sporting one that said something like TLC lies). That helped the firefighters, how?

And I loved the passive bit that he had to take the job of selling the lemonade.. no, Jon, you had a juvenile hissy fit and lashed out at your grumpy daughters (and get used to grumpiness as they get older but cut them some slack considering what was going on in their lives at that point in time) and TOOK over the job. So grown up. "I'M in CHARGE! <roar>". Hmm they were 8 and you claimed to at least only be regresed to 23..

Loved the kids with the fire engines. Loved the organic happy cows and leave it to a kitten to upstage it all.. happens every time.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 1:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
You are right Huk. I just went and re-watched it. Cara was the one whining and Maddy was trying to be conciliatory, for example suggesting that she use pink for pink lemonade since the yellow had dried out. That was the part I was stuck on since we usually see Maddy being more emotional. Then out of the blue Maddy blurted out the comment about mom. I am sure there was a lot in between that was editted out.

Ahnicka. Jon and Hailey have always insisted that they were just friends until July and were not romantic until that time. The date is important (to them and perhaps their divorce attorneys, I could care less) because they didn`t file for divorce until the end of June.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Maddy and Cara were both acting like little brats. They complained and bickered about markers and then came "I like to do things with mommy better". I would have done the same as Jon. The twins are a mess, period. And the twins do bring down the little ones. YMMV

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Maddy and Cara were both acting like little brats.

Well, I suppose it's the mature thing to retaliate with "I'm in charge!" Jon handled that entire lemonade stand fiasco like a child.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 1:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Bring down the little ones? The 'little ones' as I recall were too busy riding their trikes and ignoring them all, and Jon was too busy with his PR event to care.

As a divorced mom, I learned never ever to react to things like "Daddy this" or "Daddy that." Even if you give them consequences, they know they got to you, and they will use it again. I always just calmly said, "I know your dad and I are different, and that must be hard on you sometimes. Let's find a way to make this more fun. What can we do?"

Try engaging the child in problem solving instead of complaining - that's what a good parent does.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 1:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Thanks Rissa! So then Jon and Hailey were lying about that too?

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 1:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I'm just saying Maddy and Cara were acting like brats and why even give them another second of your time.The little ones are there acting respectful and all they hear is Maddy and Cara acting obnoxious and dad having to referee. Hit the road brats...into the house with one of the baby sitters. The little ones don't need to be exposed to Maddy and Cara's mouth. Good for Jon. "Try engaging the child in problem solving instead of complaining - that's what a good parent does". I've seen them try to engage the kids in problem solving and what came of it...big mouthed nasty brat(s). Sorry but they behaved badly probably attempting to get more attention from their daddy and definately wanting to hurt him. The kids need to fully understand (I don't care how old or young the kids are) that they are no longer from a family that has a mom and daddy that love each other. And that things will never be the same and that acting out and having a big mouth will NOT get you more time with daddy...it'll get you LESS. If he gets Hailey preggers and starts a new family it'll be even harder for the kds to have face time with Dad so the twins better learn fast to shut their bratty mouths.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 1:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
You give Mady and Cara your time because you are their parent. Children do what they have been taught...Mady and Cara behave the way they do because they have grown up in a house full of adults who do not respect one another. There are ways to discipline and teach your child that do not require dismissing them in front of others in a very disrespectful manner...that didn't happen apparently with Jon...and I know I have done it to my child also. That doesn't mean it is right. My child gets lots of apologies from me once I've had time to cool down...hope Jon in retrospect looked back and tried to figure out how he could have handled that better.

Cats and dogs are much easier to train, aren't they?

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 1:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
If he gets Hailey preggers and starts a new family it'll be even harder for the kds to have face time with Dad so the twins better learn fast to shut their bratty mouths.

Huh? So it is all on the twins' shoulders to be good little children so they get to see their daddy?? That's disturbing.