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Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 9:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Costacat -- she often laughs heartily after making fun of Jon!

I'm not sure it's fair to compare the ratings of the "divorce" episode to the ratings of this week. People who never even heard of them tuned into the divorce episode train wreck.

What will be more telling is comparing the ratings in another few weeks to the ratings of last fall. Are they still high by TLC standards? Or are they dropping off. I'm going to guess that they remain stable and the show will continue.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 9:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-07/kate-gosselins-top-10-angry-moments/full/

Funny, we are discussing Kate on a mommy-board I am on. Who doesn't talk about Kate?! LOL. And the consensus there is she really has turned into an unpleasant person (and I'm choosing my words carefully here). I don't think she has one defender among us moms -- even those of us that used to like her have seen a change.

One mom thinks she has obsessive compulsive personality disorder -- where you think that everyone has to live up to your standards and do everything in your nit-picky way.

It's interesting that there's so much Kate support here, because I don't see it elsewhere.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
I wonder if the high number of Kate supporters on this board< if that is in fact true > is due to women mostly posting on this particular thread ?

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure Marameko, but the mommy-board I am on is all women and not a Kate supporter to be found. Or else they are too shy to speak up. LOL.

I think the online polls I've seen run about 75% Jon to 25% Kate. Now I haven't seen any numbers since Jon has been gorging himself on young women, so his favor rating may have slid a bit.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
I forgot it was on Monday so I caught a rerun last night. I still missed the beginning of the new show and never heard/saw the part about the "small fridge."

Maybe it's because I have enough "stuff" happening in my real life, but at least last night, I didn't pick apart any of who said what, etc.

I still enjoy the kids and I think they only thing I thought about as far as Kate and most likely Jon, is that they have readily available to them a "helper" with the kids. I don't blame them for that since I think it has to be terribly hard to even keep track of that many kids that age. My three used to drive me nuts at times and it would have been great even with just 3, to have a "helper" at times.

One thing I was thinking though is that I much prefer seeing them do things at home than on vacations somewhere. It seemed like for a long time, that's all I would ssee when I tuned it.

I wasn't particularly thrilled with the interviews with the girls in the chair. I do think no matter what they have financially and helpwise, it doesn't change the emotional hurt of going through a divorce, even if you were the one who initiated it. What you thought would be your future, is just gone.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Looking around for polls.. one from August 2 (still open) give the option to be on the side of the 8, Jon or Kate, so it really doesn't answer the question..

Team 8: 61%
Team Kate: 22%
Team Jon: 17%

http://www.kansascity.com/stargazing/story/1360325.html

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Not finding good recent polls that just ask.. J or K..

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
The trouble with some of those recent open polls is that most of those people never heard of Jon & Kate until the scandals started. All those polls (IMO) would be on Kate's side. I think you would see a pretty good % on Jon's side from those that have watched every ep.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
She also laughs heartily after making fun of herself..

The ratings are down from the all time high episode but not really down from normal episodes for the show. I'd guess TLC is fine with those numbers at this point.

Maremeko.. I think women are often the harshest critics of other women, so I doubt that the demographic (our board skews to a larger % of women anyway) has much to do with Kate having some supporters here.

And I suspect that, even though we have people posting here who are wildly negative about one or the other or both J/K we are still a moderated board and many of the boards out there allow so much bashing, namecalling, profanity that people who only want to spes that sort of stuff gravitate to those places to post. Not to mention that even though we have lots of posters, we have many more just reading and who knows what they think?

I know when I go to read an article and scroll down to see the comments, it would be a one in a millon shot where I'd see an actual conversation and bother to register and post because it simply wouldn't be worth my time. In places like that it used to be overwhelmingly anti Kate, but in recent weeks, Jon has taken her place in terms of bashing.

I'm guessing that with the show back on it will swimg back the other way a bit.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I don't read the unmoderated stuff either, because some if it is people just trying to be as rude as they can.

I'll be interested to see how Jon changes now that his life is on this new path and he feels in control. So far, it's looking kind of like another mess!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I wonder if the higher amount of kate support here is because maybe there is a higher % of divorced women/divorced moms here who sympathize with Kate??? Just a guess. I wonder what % of posters here are or have been divorced. I am guessing it is a bit higher than the national avg. And I wonder if the Kate support here is higher cuz I think the avg. TVCHer is female in her 40s-60s.

Spitfire
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07-17-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spitfire a private message Print Post    
On the mom's group I frequent the number of Kate supporters has grown by leaps and bounds. They all think that Jon is acting like a complete dolt.

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/05/jon-gosselin-stop-blaming_n_251617.html



Since Jon & Kate Plus 8 stars Jon and Kate Gosselin announced they were divorcing on June 22, their lives have been turned upside down. Jon's life has become a circus and he's been criticized for partying in St. Tropez and in N.Y.'s Hamptons, and for dating two younger women, Hailey Glassman and tabloid reporter Kate Major. "Things have gotten out of control," Jon tells In Touch in a revealing interview. "Many people think that everything moved too fast, that I was out partying too quickly. But Kate gave up on the marriage last October, and the divorce will be finalized by September 30." Jon, 32, met with In Touch on August 2 in New York to set the record straight about his marriage, his new girlfriend, how all of the drama is affecting his children and why he's tired of being blamed.



What is the biggest difference in your life now, compared to a year ago?

Let's go back to October of last year -- that's when all of this happened. Kate basically came to me out of the blue and said, "I am done. You are going to live your life, and I am going to live my life." I was like, "What?" I didn't really know what was going on. When she said that, I was really upset and nervous.



Why did she want to break up?

I think she initiated the split because she wanted a career. Maybe I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, and she was going to move on regardless. I said, "Are you sure about this?"



Did you want to work it out?

Yes, I asked, "What do I have to do to mend the relationship? What did I do wrong?" I was beating myself up about it. So I read a lot of books about personalities, like The Five Love Languages. Throughout the marriage, I felt like my personality had changed a lot. In December, I went to therapy. I asked Kate to come, but she didn't want to. She said, "If you have a problem, go fix it."



When did you and Kate start living separate lives?
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We went to Utah on January 1. On January 12, she flew back with security and I stayed. That's when I started to just hang out and meet people, and feel free. Not too many girls, just with my guy friends. I couldn't do that for nine years. When I came back on the 17th, Kate and I weren't talking. So I just said, "I'm moving out of the house," and that was it.



What was your first relationship?

Hailey -- it started around May. She is the polar opposite of Kate. It's really different. I feel good about myself and people see my good qualities. I'm not being put down. If I want to go out with my friends, Hailey says, "Oh, go out." I'm not used to that. I was used to, "No, no, it's your fault." Sometimes I ask Hailey permission, like I used to do with Kate, and she says, "You don't have to ask permission." I was used to living like that, and now it's like a breath of fresh air. You can have a balanced relationship but also spend time with your friends.



How did you fall in love with Hailey?

We started talking and got along well. I started getting really attracted to her, like, on the phone. She really listened to me and took in what I was saying. Then she came back to her parents' house in May and I went up to see her. We hit it off. It was great. She is amazing.



Kate Major said she was dating you.

I felt like, "Okay, I have a cool new person in New York and we can just go out for dinner." Then it was a conflict of interest with her work. I have always been true to Hailey.



How are the kids handling the split and all of the drama?

Even though they are young, it still hurts them. They can't figure it out. They're like, "Why aren't they together? Why can't you hug her?" The other day, Alexis said, "I want you and Mommy to be home together." And it hurts because it's not going to happen -- and how do you explain that? I just let them know we love them no matter what. It's hard. I feel like I failed them.



When will you introduce Hailey as your girlfriend to the kids?

I think it would have to be after the divorce is finalized. I can't just show up with Hailey. I think we all need a little routine in our lives. Right now, it's helter-skelter. Once there is a routine, we'll start off slowly, like going out to dinner. We are dealing with eight different personalities, and they will each handle it in different ways. They may never be comfortable.

For the full exclusive interview with Jon Gosselin, check out this week's issue of In Touch Weekly, on newsstands now.

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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Convenient that he just ignores the teacher.. and the fact that he did bring her to the house. And per his timeline was he "with" Hailey when he was with the teacher.. hmmm

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I am not a divorced nor a single mom, and I have always been on Team Kate/Team Kids. I am Anti passive aggressive, snarky, bumbling, didn't want that many kids, only do the minimum required, don't care about keeping peace, Kate deal with everything, lack of responsibility Jon.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I just KNEW that nothing was Jon's fault.

That darn Kate, chasing Jon away. It's so awesome how he made sure to complain about how she treated him in this article, in case we forget that HE is the victim.

I'm so glad he took this opportunity to spill all to the same press that he continually complains about. It's so obvious how much he cares about his children, putting this private information out in the public domain. Everything he does is for their benefit, whether it's moving to another city, dating numerous women or giving out interviews on personal topics.


Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Jon sure is self-serving isn't he? LOL For all of you who believe him I've got some great swamp land in FL for ya! ROFL

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
On the finale last year (whatever, a few months ago), Kate said that Jon wouldn't talk to her, and that he wouldn't go to counseling. He has had AMPLE time to speak up about that, but doesn't until now?

Jon said, "Maybe I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, and she was going to move on regardless."

He has 8 kids, he damn well should have known by his age what he wanted to do. And after doing the show for a few years, I believe he just got totally lazy and depended on Kate to bring home more bacon...and cook it, too.

This board is just as anti-Kate as pro-Kate, IMO. But the board that surprised the heck out of me was Survivor Sucks. They ripped Jon a new you-know-what, and they'd always hated Kate. It turned around right after Jon started showing up in the tabloids. Those posters hold nothing back, and here they are being sensitive to Kate.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 1:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Sea, I agree..women are our own worst enemies.

I think this board is definitely more anti-kate, but leaning towards balanced. I am not divorced either and am pro kate. I like Escapee's explanation! LOL

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Oh brother! Jon just makes things worse and worse and worse...I hope he learns to keep his mouth shut soon.

If we do a poll, I'll vote in it.

Escapee...I love your most recent post!

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Does someone have a clip of Kate saying she wanted to go to counseling? I don't remember that one.

Kate has done press too, talking to people mag. I don't see how either one is behaving well these days. And to be anti-Kate doesn't mean I'm always pro-Jon. He's misbehaving pretty badly lately, but I still understand why he left her, even though I can't understand why it took him so $*&^@#! long!!!

But it floors me how mothers can watch clips of her telling her little boy she's throwing away his teddy bear because it has gum on it and 'he'll learn a lesson that way' and be pro-Kate. The next time my DD tells me I'm a "mean" mom, maybe I'll show her an ep of Kate plus 8!

Neko
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Neko a private message Print Post    
I'm pro-Kate because even though she can act like a crazy woman sometimes, Jon's a hypocrite, which I think is worse.

He was like, "Oh no, this media! I hate it!....but let me and my new girlfriend and best buddy Christian be on the cover of anything and oh you want an interview? Sure!"
He needs to get a PR person to keep him from flip-floping so badly with he's storys.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
i must be a horrible mother according to your example Brenda, I have definitely told my kids I am throwing away something of value to them that they mistreated, and have done it. I also don't replace things they have broken. She didn't end up throwing the bear away though.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 2:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
But he didn't mistreat the toy. I would throw away a broken toy as well and not replace it. Getting gum on it was probably an accident -- it likely fell out of his mouth. It's just one example of her being mean to the kids. I'm just so glad my mom wasn't like Kate.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
... it was Aunt Jodie's fault. And I guess Kate did throw her out! I am glad she kept the bear. Not fair to the little boy at all.