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Escapee
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06-15-2004
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 4:20 pm
These people renewed their wedding vows in Hawaii a year ago, but they've been living a part for 2 years? Are those even their real kids? Is this TLC version of the Truman show?
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 4:20 pm
HLN - is trying to re invent itself - Joy Baher from the View supposedly is going to have a talk show like the Larry King Show on CNN! Also Jon said about the Hawaii trip is that he jumped at the chance to get his kids to meet his family, he hasnt seen them in ten years! so they went thru the ceremony because of all the free stuff, free wedding gown, free lodging, free food... etc...
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 4:27 pm
Lurk, I've now read the link you posted. You're right...it is complicated, lol. I still don't get why she rushed out to file, nor do I understand the cryptic explanation she gives. As far as we know, Jon spent the weekend with the kids while she was gone somewhere. What did he do that could possibly put HER safety in jeopardy? I thought it was interesting that Jon had no lawyer listed on the divorce papers. Hmmm...he better get moving on that.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 4:42 pm
They really weren't physically separated (prob. in the house) but Kate wanted to make sure Jon couldn't stop the divorce, so she checked that box. Otherwise, if Jon wasn't in agreement, she'd have to wait two years. What is her God awful rush at this moment..anger..revenge? Very controlling to me. I guess the State of PA is okay with people lying about this in order to get the divorce rolling quicker. Right, Holly, I see Kate has a female lawyer. He'd better get a lawyer and quick if they are already arguing over finances. They just both bought new cars. Money seems to be nothing to them.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 4:46 pm
We share all the same questions and confusions then Holly. And I started to explain it here and threw up my fingers and thought, "this is just too complicated." But boy it shows that much as Kate is saying Jon was the one who left, she didn't, and implying she didn't want the breakup, she sure is the one racing to push through a divorce ASAP isn't she?! And I haven't seen on guess that makes sense to me, so I'm assuming something we don't know about either happened or she wants us to think it happened. I didn't realize that Jon didn't have an atty. That is interesting. Another indication maybe?? And heard something about Joy having another show in addition to The View...didn't know that was where. Thanks for the info. Reader, Jon said he did all that for the free stuff or you are guessing?? I know he said he wanted to do go and see family, but I just can't wrap myself around it being a total farce and mostly their lying to the kids. That would be inhumane and cruel not to mention potentially life scarring.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 4:49 pm
Maybe the renewal of vows was an attempt at getting things back on track for them. I didn't renew my vows there, but the soon to be ex and I did try to use our vacation to Maui to put some life back into a bad marraige. Unfortunately, the same problems exist even that far away, AND, you have to leave paradise sometime. I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt and believe they were trying.
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Twiggyish
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08-14-2000
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 4:53 pm
I'm probably the only one who feel this way. They're two people in the middle of a circus. They weren't actors before this all happened. They were ordinary people in an extraordinary circumstance. We cannot imagine the pressure this must have had for them. I can see why they would keep their true relationship a secret. It would cause a storm of gossip. Plus, they would stand to lose a lot of money. Can you blame them? Now that it's all collapsing, I know it's going to be even harder.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 4:57 pm
I was reading Perez Hilton's version of filing explanation. Surprisingly, it was written better and more clearly than TMZ imho. While reading a light bulb went off over my head. . Place your bets now that I'm right. I'm betting by tomorrow, if not later tonight, Kate is going to release an explanation (cross out make that lie) that it was a clerical error in filing. She isn't going to want the backlash and probably thought it would stay quiet. So anyone want to take my bet????
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:02 pm
Twiggy just saw your post above mine and gotta comment. While I don't totally disagree with you, the major problem I have is them lying to their children. Ok fine if they had problems and kept it from America. But to stand up in front of their 8 kids, and telling them repeatedly they were renewing their vows to prove they'll be married forever would be beyond cruel and as I said earlier, potentially emotionally scarring IMHO. That's what I can't get past or understand IF they were having serious problems when they took those vows.
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Reader234
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08-13-2000
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:02 pm
From the numerous tv shows on J&K - the producers, TLC, and Kate set down and outline a plan for the shows - they have products, sponsors etc that write or call the TLC and they (producers) pitch it to Kate - (I'm sure Jon is involved but in a sit down they were saying that Kate gets into the details of the coming shows etc) So I do know that Jon did say he was happy to go to Hawaii to introduce his kids to his family - the other stuff I did indeed project - thanks for asking Legal! I do know that they did get all that stuff free, but how was it pitched, that I dont know - I thought it was in this thread the discussion on how much the beach houses/suites were a night, I know the wedding dress was comped, but I dont have a link,
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:08 pm
Lurk, I had SEVERAL clerical errors in my original divorce filing. The husband's lawyer didn't even get the right year or the place right on when we were married. It said we had been living separate and apart since the date of filing....feb 23 and he didn't move out till May 15 when I got a protective order to make him get out. PLUS, aparently I changed my middle name from annette to lynette. First filings are meant to get the ball rolling. It will be modified several times before it's over.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:11 pm
Dare I ask Cricket?????? Lurk, I read in some article that Kate accused Jon of being into porn (internet?) I'm not believing anything (and haven't) unless I see it at a couple of sources. I thought that's another reason John could be upset with her. Re the fraudulent filing, Lurk..she'll have someone to blame...it's never her. The fact that it was reportedly done so Jon couldn't hold things up is concerning.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:16 pm
Sabbatia, so you think she didn't check the second box to hurry the process along and stop Jon from delaying it? She has a lawyer, which is why I'm very surprised if Kate filed this herself. Doesn't your lawyer usually file?
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Jhezzie
Member
07-05-2001
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:20 pm
They weren't actors before this all happened. They were ordinary people in an extraordinary circumstance. I've never watched this show, (still haven't) but they have been shoved down my throat ever since the media decided to splash them EVERYWHERE. I can't log on to a news site, news channel, an entertainment portal, anything, without Jon and Kate drama. So, now I have an opinion, lol. These people weren't in a terrorist attack. They didn't accidentally discover the cure for cancer. They didn't save a baby from a crazed carjacker. The wanted to be on TV. These "extraordinary circumstances" that these ordinary people are in are completely self-inflicted. Their poor children are the only victims here.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:27 pm
Cricket...VERY seldom do people file their own divorce petition. The lawyer usually does it. You CAN do it yourself, though if you don't want to pay a lawyer. As I said before, there were several mistakes in our original filing. His lawyer made up that document. My lawyer corrected it. (For a heafty fee of course) If it was intentional, I totally understand wanting to hurry things up. Even a simple divorce like mine has taken forever and isn't over yet. When it's over and you KNOW it's over, you just want things settled and to know where you stand so you can start planning for the future.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:31 pm
These "extraordinary circumstances" that these ordinary people are in are completely self-inflicted. Their poor children are the only victims here. Great post!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:44 pm
Fast post while on commercial from I'm a Celeb (boring show tonight so far). I had a thought earlier I forgot to post. I wonder if one of the reason they didn't see any counseling is that they would likely have been told to drop the show, and clearly Kate didn't want to do that. Jon seeming more than willing per the last show of last season. Sad to think someone would choose fame over love. But I also totally agree with what was said earlier that they never showed real love or affection to each other. The only time I saw it was in the old video of him proposing to her. ITA too about the children being the real victims here. It's why I'm so bent out of shape thinking the renewal of vows was a total scam. Lie to me..that's one thing. But don't lie to those poor kids!!!
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:49 pm
No Twiggy, they weren't actors before this. But neither are their children fictional characters in a TV show. They are very real children who need a very normal upbringing, not this circus their lives have become. (Have you noticed how even the little ones have started "acting" for the cameras? And the twin--don't want to be attacked for mentioning her name-- totally hams it up ad nauseum whenever there's a camera present, even pushing her siblings out of the way to get her face in. If the show is pulled off the air, I can't imagine how those kids, especially the older ones, will adjust to having no cameras and people around. What will they make of it, no longer being sought after and "famous"? I think children can become as addicted to fame as adults. They have created this circus, Twiggy, and Jhezzie is correct; the children are the victims here, not the parents.
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:52 pm
Lurk, great point! You're probably right, if they had gone to some kind of therapy, you would be sure the first thing a respectable Doctor would have told them, would be to drop the show and concentrate on mending their marriage and reconnecting. Gee, I was wondering why this therapy thing wasn't attempted, but you can bet TLC would not want them to go, end of their money maker!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 6:06 pm
BTW in my post I typo'd a key word. Meant to type they didn't SEEK any counseling...luckily I see Jgalt you speak fluent typo like I do hehe
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 7:10 pm
Yes, Lurk, I type way too fast, don't really check very carefully, then let it go. It's only after a look at my post later I see where I made major mistakes. I always hope everyone will know what I meant!
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 7:13 pm
Sabbatia, first, I'm very sorry you are going through a long divorce at this time. I don't know if this divorce helps or hurts you to watch. So you think her lawyer filed the papers and just checked both boxes to get it going quickly?
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 7:53 pm
Yep Cricket, I think the lawyers are the ones that try to plan for all contingencies.....it could be standard practice for her lawyer to do it that way. I think they were going for speed. It can always be changed. WHen you are living together under tense circumstances, it's almost a relief when something happens to help you moving forward again. You just want to get on with living and learn to make your new life a positive one. The two...almost three months mine lived here after he filed were hell. I can't imagine how tense their house has been the last few months. As for me....I think listening to Kate last night first made me sad, and then made me realize I'm normal....either that or neither of us are LOL. I'm past the stage she's at now, and am ready to move on. My niece is moving in to go to college in a month. It would be nice to have everything resolved by then.
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 8:27 pm
I watched the 1 hour show a 2nd time to see if I could see things more clear. For me, it appears that the show was to announce they were going to seperate. The fancy organic brunch was taped prior as she still had her tiger striped hair. Then father's day weekend happened and aiden got hurt. now all of a sudden, she files for divorce to "protect her and her children". she told jon 6 months ago that "it was over". lots of missing info and they don't owe us an explanation, but. that is my 2 cents. Kate will get what Kate wants.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 8:28 pm
Sabbatia, I wish you the best of luck in having it resolved and hope she'll be good company for you. Life does go on. Sherbabe, very well said and so true. I missed the tiger striped hair. I've seen it referred to in articles, but I guess I just never paid that much attention.
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