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Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
by definition, I do think they are pimpin' their kids. They are making a lotta money because of the kids.

I thought TLC did not do Kate any favors by showing that rerun of Jon trying to separate the onions. Yawza! And her slapping Emeril with the spatula. The first one was funny and didn't look too hard, but the second hit looked harsh.

I laughed at the promo where Jon was talking to the motorcycle guys and he said something about trading spots with them and they said no way.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Actually the definition given above is for pimp as a noun. The word was used as a verb and using pimping as a verb can mean exploiting.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
pimp  /pɪmp/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pimp] Show IPA
–noun
1. a person, esp. a man, who solicits customers for a prostitute or a brothel, usually in return for a share of the earnings; pander; procurer.
2. a despicable person.
3. Australia and New Zealand. an informer; stool pigeon.

–verb (used without object)
4. to act as a pimp.

–verb (used with object)
5. to act as a pimp for.
6. to exploit.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pimp

Serate
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08-21-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
ex⋅ploit1  /ˈɛksplɔɪt, ɪkˈsplɔɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ek-sploit, ik-sploit] Show IPA
–noun
a striking or notable deed; feat; spirited or heroic act: the exploits of Alexander the Great.

ex⋅ploit2  /ɪkˈsplɔɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ik-sploit] Show IPA

–verb (used with object)
1. to utilize, esp. for profit; turn to practical account: to exploit a business opportunity.
2. to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers.
3. to advance or further through exploitation; promote: He exploited his new movie through a series of guest appearances.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/exploit

ETA I highlighted #2 because IMO this is what Jon and Kate are doing to their children.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Thank you, Serate, you beat me to it.
(I thought everyone would know the difference but guess not.)

And yes, Texannie, all the parents with young toddlers/kids on reality tv are doing it IMO. YMMV

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
and again, so are the Duggars, Hayes, Rolloffs and all those families on Wife Swap and Nanny 911.
is it only pimping if you don't like the family? LOL

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Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 12:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
looks like we posted at the same time Holly.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 12:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Thanks Texannie.. Sorry Holly,I never have been much for fancy Book Learnin'

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
When Larry King interviewed the OC Chopper guys, he tried to get them to comment on J/K current situation and fighting and one of them said in view of their own squabbles that I gather are shown on their show, they had no comment.

I like those guys. Good answer. Thanks for bringing that, Sea. I missed LK and wish I had seen it.

When do you guys start teaching your kids to cook?

My 7 month old GrandSon "helps" me in the kitchen now. LOL!
But seriously, many times the children "helped" from pretty much as soon as they could stand. Though they were always closely supervised.



And, if they're "pimping" are we the johns? J&K are making money by allowing their family to be filmed. If any of OUR families were offered this opportunity, would we decline it?
Just sayin'

Holly
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
No need to apologize, Lori. To each her own! :-)

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 2:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Bee, to answer your question to if we would do it... I would totally do it. I would try it out and see how it would go. But the minute that I could see it turning into any kind of stress or trouble for my kids or my family, I would be outta there. I would never sign any long term contract. If they offered me a book deal, same thing.

I think Kate does not have the best perspective, but she for sure can see her face on the cover of People magazine and Nat'l Enq. so that right there should clue her in that her family is in the very unhealthy center of a media circus.

Tex, you ask what about other families, and I think that is similar to when we have a rule in our house and Ryan asks: "But what about all my other friends' families?"
We're talking about this family and the other TV reality families have totally different circumstances.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
If the premise is putting your kids on tv is pimping them out, then it would hold true for all reality shows. But I do think you drawing a distinction proves my point that it only seems to matter if we don't like the family.

Stacey718995
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07-05-2007

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
I can see that happen here as well Annie but I also see it the opposite.

There are those that defend EVERYTHING Kate does but have issues with other families doing similar stuff that are on TV.

It goes both ways here but for some reason Kate brings out the extreme in both directions. I have never gotten it and it has many times frustrated me. She definitely has her haters but she has defenders like no other.

It is a different ball game since all the recent drama; but back when things were "norm" I used to shake my head at some of the stuff good normal moms would defend but would never have done in real life. I don't know what it is about her that brings out the extremes in both directions.

For me, if I liked the shows and they made me smile I watched and that was me defending them. If they did something on the shows that I didn't agree with I have no issues saying what that is.

I personally have never liked the way Kate spoke to Jon, I also feel the same way about how Amy speaks to Matt. Amy's house makes me crazy. I think Kate is crazy about her house at times. I think the Duggers are good people down to their core probably but I would never choose to live that way. The new family the Hayes' I love their relationship together and how they deal with things but sometimes all the screaming kids gets under my skin.

Most of the family threads you can come out and point that stuff out and a few will agree with you and some will come out and say that they never noticed or are bothered by it. But, for some reason since forever ago you can't come out for or against Kate with out the extreme replies back in either her defense or against her. I think it has gotten almost to the point that if say something good about another family somehow J/K are brought up and you are asked/forced to compare, when really none of them are alike.

I have gotten extreme with it, I admit, since they publically did their season opener they way they did. That is the first time I felt they were not doing right by their kids IMO.

So sorry the long answer is yes by definition they all pimp out their kids. But for some reason this family makes you say it more and/or makes you defend it more. They have always had some magical effect that way on any topic brought up about them.

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 4:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
so do movie stars and any psudo celebrity. denise richards/paris hilton...when they host new years eve parties for cash or when they are asked to just appear at an event for a fee. the difference here, is they are exploiting themselves....pimping themselves out.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 4:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Well, Denise Richards/Paris Hilton are adults who have the choice. These kids don't! Big difference.

Any expert on kid raising will tell you there's no way it's good for the kids, and most likely nothing but bad will come out of it for them. Look at the long line of child stars who are now totally screwed up. Did any of them come out of the showbiz style childhood unscathed?

My beef with Kate is that now it looks like pure greed and narcissism. I can see them signing a contract for a year or so when the babies were really young and they needed so much help financially and otherwise. But there must be enough money stashed away now that they can hang it up for the sake of the kids and their marriage. Jon's made it clear that he's done with it all. Why won't Kate? The kids are now at an age when they're aware of what's going on and the paparrazi have become way too intrusive. And look at the effect it's had on that kid Mady, and more to the point, the effect it's going to have on her when she reads all the internet blogs about herself.

At this point, there's no reason for Kate to continue, besides greed and obsession about being a celeb. I think she'd receive a lot more sympathy if she put her kids first. How much money do you need anyway?

Chere
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08-10-2005

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 6:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
Do posters here think the Duggars and Roloffs are exploiting their children as well?

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 6:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    




Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Chere, not that i can tell. As Stacey pointed out, the arguments seem only to apply to this show.
Stacey, you are correct, they definitely create strong reactions in people. LOL I have noticed how Kate can be criticized for doing something that Amy or the Hayes mom are praised for.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 7:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I don't know that any of them are exploiting children.

I think Britney was endangering her childrem a few times.

Denise Richards did have the children on her show, no? I know it was an issue with her ex so maybe she didn't?

I think some of the Real Housewives' children were harmed in that they had particularly bad behavior aired.. theirs and in some cases, their parents.

The Osbournes.. I suspect that Jack and Kelly were already sort of heading toward needing rehab maybe before the show aired but SEEM to have turned the corner and Ozzy along with them. They are pretty used to drama from birth, and Ozzy and Sharon did give them some choice.. Aimee opted out.

I think child ACTORS are more at risk since they aren't being filmed living their lives (or on fun trips) but have to WORK and cram in schooling along with that and miss going to school or being homeschooled as the reality kids usually are.

Anna Nicole's son, however seemed to be harmed and both of them are dead, but that was probably from issues other than being on the reality show, though I'm sure it didn't help.. mainly because they were being exploited the attorney, Imo.

Kate's house being so clean, Amy's house being so messy, just doesn't really concern me at all.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
The difference is that the Roloff kids don't see their parents' faces plastered all over People, Nat'l Enquirer and on Inside Edition. Also their family is not as vulnerable/fragile as the Gosselins are. There is no other family that can be compared to the Gosselins right now. This family appears to be on the verge of falling completely apart.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 7:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
And it is up to themn to decide how to handle it. I think each and every family and each child is unique. But we can address each situation in re exploitation. I don't see exploitation in Gosselin, Roloff, Duggar or that other family. If Nadya Suleman was to get even more publicity, I'd say her older kids are already acting out, as documented by a teacher (bruises, bite marks) and several have already exhibited extreme stress on camera.

I guess I'd worry more about them at this time. They are not having so much fun.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 8:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
I guess one could also say it is up to Jon and Kate to decide how to handle their marriage. But then what's the point if we can't discuss how we each feel about a particular situation?

I worry about Suleman's kids, but don't comment on them in this thread as it's been pointed out again and again this is the Jon & Kate + 8 thread and we shouldn't discuss other shows in here.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 8:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
I don't watch the Hayes or the Duggars or the Roloffs so can't comment on them. I do think Jon & Kate + 8 has gone from an enjoyable cute family show to something not so enjoyable. It's still cute when the kids are allowed to be kids. I'll still watch it cuz I like the kids.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 8:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
I thought it was painful to watch the Roloffs on the River cruise - the kids at the dinner table - but the parents behind closed doors? that to me was first hopeful - but it didnt seem to get resolved.

I think they (even Nick and Jessica hte Newlyweds mentioned this) can put limits on what is filmed! Amy Roloff has said no filming in her dd bedroom - girls need their privacy - same for others... I know Kate has talked openly before this season about sitting down and outlining the episodes... and filming is part of that - if its part of the story (putting up the beds, taking down the beds, then filming is ok - other than that, we do not see the kids bedrooms any longer in the new home - why? I think because Kate is protecting her kids to that extent)

The Duggers - its a conundrum to me! How the heck to they get those kids to sit still? To always walk in a straight line? The Gosselien kids seem more "real" the Duggars - seem more of a goal that I cant imagine how they got there!

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 9:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
that was my point, holly!