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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 1:00 pm
I feel the show lost it's way when big corporations starting sending them on trips and to Oprah, etc. It changed their way of living their income and all their lives. It just seemed they weren't as cohesive a family after that. It wouldn't hurt Kate to watch the episodes and see how she treats Jon. I certainly hope she isn't feeling because she wrote a book and the children are older, she doesn't need Jon, because the children still do and she needs to think about that over herself as does Jon.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 1:00 pm
I think times have changed some, but I agree more with Escapee. I see more examples where the mom/wife has to deal with the family drama. I think we have many generations to go before things will really be somewhat more equal. I'm not talking just my own relatives but also what I see in society. I think the family drama, including holding the family together emotionally still mostly falls on the women's shoulders. I never saw much romantic love demonstrated by J or K toward each other in all the shows they've ever done. I do think they were in love with each other though. Maybe they still are, I hope they are. But I really think that it is easy to let that part go when you have a baby, and they've had 8. Not that it is right or OK to do that, but it happens all the time even for couples who are able to pick back up when the kids get a little older. And, maybe they just weren't publically affectionate with each other, but were privately. In a Q and A show they did, Kate laughed at one question and said they weren't going to answer it, but then said "our kids do sleep" or something like that.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 1:10 pm
I agree as well Happymom, but I do think that some husbands and Dads are getting much more involved. For example, I meet my daughters at the bus stop and so does another Dad who works at home as well. So there are two Dads, one Grandfather and one Mom meeting their kids.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 1:12 pm
I keep seeing that both Kate's sisters-in-law plus her brother Kevin and his wife Jodie have come out against Kate/Jon (mostly Kate) and the show. I have only seen Kevin/Jodi, anyone know what the other two sisters-in-law have said? I assume they are referring to Jon's brother's wives?
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 1:16 pm
My mom and I e-mail almost every day, along with my niece. I can't imagine not hearing from them on a more than routine basis.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 1:58 pm
Well I still think that regardless of how many cameras are around, nobody knows what goes on behind the closed doors. I don't see Kate as a bad guy. Just don't. She is who she is as is Jon. Jon comes across better on TV due to his laid back personality. Kate comes across bad because she is a "pusher" - a get it done now and do it this way type A personality. Jon would be content to sit around and do nothing. Very laid back. Maybe just maybe she having 8 kids has had to push him to get things done, maybe she is bitter, maybe he is fed up, Maybe.. just maybe we the viewers can't make that type of judgement.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 3:41 pm
I"m in the minority on this one, but I think the only one hogging the cameras is Aunt Jody.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 3:42 pm
http://www.comcast.net/video/more-on-jon-and-kate-s-marriage/1134360259/Comcast/1134301157/ Hope that link works about Jon's allowance. My husband calls his mom regularly and has done so as long as I've known him, over 20 years. My brothers are all highly involved with their families like Jon is, they wouldn't have it any other way. I'm not sure I could be with someone who doesn't have it in him to have the ability to deal with drama or make plans for his kids or family...in general a guy who relies on a woman to make his schedule. Say what you want about Jon he like Kate have wiped more backsides than most and done more kid duty than most. Jon like Kate have been good parents. Divorce doesn't mean you have to neglect your children it just means you have to plan more. I hope both have it in them to keep the family as in tact as humanly possible. I don't expect 2 people to stay together for the kids, IMO that would be worse. I'd be heart broken if my daughter married a man that can't or won't fend for himself, or be involved in family matter, that would be a lopsided relationship.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 3:54 pm
I just meant that often women tend to take the brunt of the drama or the blame is placed on them. I think it is the emotional side of it. Men tend to not get worked up over drama, they don't let it bug them, so it's not brought to them. Drama makers only give it to those who they will get a rise out of. I don't know where the "my son calls me every day" plays in. There is nothing wrong with that.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 3:56 pm
Guess there is not that much drama in our family. Can't think of any big dramas...
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 4:25 pm
Julie, if your MIL had an issue, would she bring it to you or to your DH?
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 4:31 pm
be specific...
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 4:52 pm
I don't know where the "my son calls me every day" plays in. There is nothing wrong with that. Escapee, Where it plays in is from your original comment that people were addressing: A son doesn't visit his mother, or call his buddy, it's automatically his wife or girlfriend's doing. So people were responding to that. I know that if my Mom had an issue she would bring it to me. She didn't have many issues though.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 5:00 pm
Oh and while my dh doesn't do a lot of phone calling, he emails/texts his buddies all the time. So give me an example Escapee... (though I am gonna say in general it would not matter, probably whomever answered the phone is the one she'd talk to about it. But if it were something "girly" like something about his sister's baby shower, then it'd be me.)
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 5:43 pm
I do see your point, Escapee. That just doesn't happen to be the way it worked in my family though.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 7:28 pm
well no comment on our lives $5 a day - Jon's allowance, that will not buy a lunch , it will not allow him to go golfing... but, it was working for them for quite awhile, I know I wouldnt have the answers - but communication and some serious counseling... and the public has to stop watching! (like me!)
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 8:22 pm
I don't think the problem lies with their parenting skills. It appears that with the hectic lifestyle of the 8 children and the tv show, they lost something between them. They were young when they had this very large family. I totally agree they need serious marriage counseling! The disconnect that many couples with children feel happens a lot. However, Jon and Kate had a lot thrown at them. I'm surprised they've handled things so well this far!
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 8:32 pm
good post Twiggish..... None of us know what goes on in their very limited private lives...people have problems all the time and it is what it is....but they dont deal with it in the public eye..... For all we know, they are cool with the cameras...and blow a gasket when they leave.....who know's......"nobody" but them.....I hope they will be alright....
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Tess
Member
04-13-2001
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 9:13 pm
I can tell you from painful experience that if my MIL had an issue she would go to one of her other sons and tell them. Early on in our marriage she was upset with me for some nonsensical thing I wasn't involved in and she told everyone at the dinner table on Thanksgiving that I was a B****. DH and I, and oldest brother & his family were the only ones not there. Fortunately, everyone knows to take it all with a huge helping of salt. I realize for myself that I am in no position to judge either Jon or Kate, nor will I ever be. I am far too flawed of an individual to take on that responsibility. I know I have had some similar experiences (sans cameras and 8 children) and have had people judge me without knowing me. I understand the anger, betrayal, the need to be in control in order to keep life from spinning out of control. I understand all sides and angles and trying desperately to put a marriage back together because of the neverending love for my child. Yes, Jon and Kate put themselves on camera and it's become much larger than anyone ever predicted. The children are still adorable. Certain ones have certain issues but find any 8 children, related or not, and I would bet at least one would have some sort of issue. Few marriages weather the long haul without some valleys to go with those hills. I have only prayers for the entire family.
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 9:13 pm
A 15 seat burgundy van, what was he thinking! Why don't we hear trash talk about Jon from friends and family? Where are all Kate's friends and family coming forward to dispel all the trash talk about her?
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 11:03 pm
I was as sad/touched as anyone when one of the tups told Jon she missed him and wanted him to come back.. but I also heard what he said to brig that out (on camera). HE asked "Do you miss me?" Which made sure it was there on camera for all to sae. As for Kate rolling her eyes when Jon said he quit his job; probably part of that was because Jon's emoployer has recently gone on record that things were not going well and he let Jon go. Jon didn't quit.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, May 28, 2009 - 6:02 am
We'll say this for the disgruntled brother of Jon Gosselin's alleged mistress: At least he ratted out his sister free of charge. But when it comes to the Jon & Kate Plus 8 clan's own family, prepare to open the checkbook. E! News has learned that as recently as this morning, Kate Gosselin's brother Kevin Kreider has been shopping his tell-all take on the situation to media outlets for $30,000. http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b126045_kates_brother_next_in_line_sell_out.html?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Thursday, May 28, 2009 - 6:18 am
Gee, inappropriate and cheap. LOL
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, May 28, 2009 - 6:43 am
Meanwhile, TLC confirmed this morning that the show's fifth season will run for a monster 40 episodes, double the typical order. That can't help things.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Thursday, May 28, 2009 - 7:14 am
Season 4 had 41 episodes, so it's pretty much the same amount as last season.
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