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Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 3:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
true that, ahnicka.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 3:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I wouldn't put it past hailey to do something like this. I also wouldn't put it past John. However, I wouldn't put it past either to orchestrate it together to create media attention.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
His lawyer is bordering on slander, doesn't it seem? What evidence does he have that Haily was involved at all? Seems a wee bit obvious that she'd sign her name to the carnage. And geesh, just because Jon left his apartment 60 seconds after seeing what had happened, it doesn't prove he wasn't involved! Like others said, where are the security tapes showing who came and went in the day(s) before this all happened?

I don't know what to think of this whole thing. I don't think Hailey would be so stupid to have trashed everything and then leave her name there. Sounds to me like either one or the other of them DID set this up, but kept themselves clear of it to avoid being caught. Time will tell...

I'll bet Kate reads all of this crap about Jon and just thanks her lucky stars that she is rid of him!

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 4:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Kate may have been a little rough on him for being lazy but at least respected his things.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 4:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
I'm evil for thinking this...but I'm wondering if this has anything to do with trying to keep Hailey from testifying in the TLC case.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 4:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I'll bet Kate doesn't read any of it. It probably makes her sad. That is still the father of her children.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 5:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Whatever one may think of Kate, I don't get the impression she is standing on the sidelines gleeful that Jon is screwing up and in the press for all of his messes.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 5:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Of course she isn't. I can't see her reveling in something that harmful and hurtful to her children. I'll bet she wants John to grow up and be a man, father, upstanding citizen. Failure on his part will harm his kids. No, she wouldn't want that.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 5:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Has anyone suggested that Kate is happy about all of this? I know that I only said she was probably thanking her lucky stars that she is rid of him.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 5:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
No, no one suggested she is happy about it. We are just discussin the speculations and why she would not like any of this.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 6:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
O.k., I just wanted to make sure my comments weren't being misinterpreted.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 6:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I liked old Jon, but I honestly can't see him being clever enough to pull off a stunt like this. It takes a certain amount of intelligence to carry off such a deviant stunt and I'm not sure he has it. However, I can see an enraged woman doing it.

When Kate and Jon split I'm not sure anyone could have predicted the mayhem and drama Jon would get into. I certainly never saw this coming. I wonder how the kids are doing.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 7:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Like someone else said, I can see Hailey being capable of it although I just don't see her being that obvious and dumb about it so it's hard for me to accept she did it; I can also see Jon doing it, and I can see both Jon and Hailey being in on it together. I also can see Jon's lawyer being smarmy enough to come up with something like this and put it into Jon's mind.

I know Hailey doesn't have a lot of credibility with most, but she did say on a video'd interview that Jon became a monster and a compulsive liar when he met the Hellers.

Her exact words: "He became a monster. Jon got really bad when he met the Hellers. He became a compulsive liar...just...a monster...after he met the Hellers he started going downhill."

This could be her placing blame and playing the victim again, but you never know. I do think Jon's influenced by the Hellers though.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 7:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
If the tapes really do show Jon spending only 60 seconds in the apt, and the very last person before that to go into the apt was Hailey, then of course Hailey did. But they haven't told us anything about Hailey being on the tapes yet. I can't believe I keep checking for it, though...LOL On the news, they said Jon was returning from his time with the children. So I am pretty sure it wasn't like he was gone for just a few hours. Whoever did this knew he wouldn't be coming back any minute.

I have always thought there was something wrong with Hailey. I mean while she was still together with Jon, she was on tv badmouthing him. While they were together! I can almost understand how someone would badmouth their ex when it's over, but not during. Did she think airing their dirty laundry would make him love her more? What a nutcase. Jon didn't even do that to Kate until the public knew it was over. I'm not saying it's right, I am just saying it doesn't seem sane to go on tv and badmouth someone that you want to stay with.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 9:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
She didn't badmouth him until after the Kate Major debacle and the Michael Lohan mess and the arrival of the Hellers, father and son. And the paparazzi bodyguard.

I frankly think Jon is quite capable of thinking this way, but he also has plenty of bad advice that he has taken.. that has encouraged him to break contracts, badmouth all sorts of people, lie, siphon off money .. so why not this?

I'm guessing that when she had the movers there to pull out her belongings and whatever she took that she felt Jon had told her to take, she certainly didn't run around cleaning. The place could have been pretty messy to begin with anyway.

She probably did leave a note.

But it does seem like the tapes should tell the story.. I haven't read any updates since last night or before then.

Can't say I think much good of Hailey or Jon but much harder to like Jon these days.

I did see or read something yesterday about Hailey, Kate Major and Stephanie the bartender having communicated and perhaps meeting up. THAT should be a real Jon hatefest.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 9:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
I did see or read something yesterday about Hailey, Kate Major and Stephanie the bartender having communicated and perhaps meeting up. THAT should be a real Jon hatefest.


Now there's a reality show that should be on TLC. Ex's viewpoints. They could have one show with Hailey, Kate M and Stephanie. Another show with all of Tiger Woods' pals. I bet it could run forever with what goes on amongst the wanna-be-rich and wanna-be-famous crowd. I just don't know who would watch it.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 10:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Sea, I don't see how that matters (that another woman came forth). They were living together as a couple and you could see she still loved him and wanted to stay with him. I can't even imagine what happened that day...Did Jon come home and Hailey said "Honey, I was on TV today telling how horrible you are. Let's make love."?? Seems that way. And that makes her look like she has screws loose. They lived together quite a long time after those TV appearances. I picture poor Jon trying to figure out how to unload her without her going even nuttier. And apparently he couldn't accomplish that IF she is the one who vandalized his things.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 10:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
LOL! That would certainly make for an interesting reality show. There's nothing quite like getting together with the other woman your ex has been lying to and start comparing dates and calendars. Every cheating man's worst nightmare.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 11:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
LOL.. well I just don't buy "poor Jon" as a concept, but just my opinion, of course.

I'm sure if he wanted her out, he'd have gotten her out. He sent the dogs back..

And as I recall he was sitting right there in the same studio when she was talking about how he had wronged her.. then later she went back but I still think they were in it together, for the publicity.

Anyway I don't see any logic to much of anything Jon Gosselin does.

As for trying to figure out how to get rid of her.. hardly, he was taking her rent money and not paying the rent. She was his source of walking around cash.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 6:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Dr Drew's next reality series 'Mistress Rehab'!! they could show the detox, aversion therapy and group sessions.

I had a thought this morning (sad that kate/jon would pop into my head while i am putting on my makeup, i know ) but have we ever seen kate do fence/sidewalk interviews with the paps like jon has? yes, she's been on the view and today show, but has she ever talked directly to the paps?

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Yes, Jon was right there when Hailey was doing the interview that some perceive as badmouthing Jon.

Not that this matters, but how do we know Hailey and Jon were living together as a couple during the last month or so? They could have been in separate rooms or one in the room and another on the couch like how Jon and Kate did. Or Hailey could have been staying with her parents while her things were still there or Jon could have not been coming home at all. There could have been alot of back and forth make-up to break-up type things going on, so how do we know they were consistently together and living in the apartment together as a couple that whole time, and sharing the same bed as some have assumed?

Furthermore, if the time span of 60 seconds is accurate, am I the only one who finds that a little odd? Personally, I think I'd go through rooms and things to see what was missing first before going to management, especially if the place was about to get padlocked. Just seems to me if I was shocked at my home being ransacked, it'd take me longer than 60 seconds to go running to management who was about to padlock me out the home in the first place.

ETA: But then again Heller is always inaccurate or lying so he could be wrong about the 60 seconds part too.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 10:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
The police warn you not to go into a house you see as ransacked as the perp may well still be there.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
If Jon keeps this lawyer he is gonna be toast when TLC gets done with him.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I know it took more than 60 seconds for me to even grasp that my place had been burglarized the first time.. I was tired, had just driven 500 or so miles in after Thanksgiving weather and traffic, made it to the back of the house/bedrooom and thought.. whoa I really left this room messier than I thought I did, before realizing that it had been ransacked and stuff was missing, then out to the living room where the whole stereo set up (lol, they were big in those days) and TV and other items were GONE, even an old bedspread covering a horrible couch and they took a suitcase to help carry out stuff.

And then there was the note from the Police Dept saying "it appears that this place was burglarized.. here is the case number and call us at this number"..

So I did. Then my dad called.. seems the burglars left the front door open, the mailman noticed it and called the police. The cops somehow found my parents' number and called them.. they called my brother (where I had spent Thanksgiving), but I had just left and they missed me at friends where I had stopped to have lunch on the way out of the bay area.. my dad wanted to have the CHP look for me on I5 but luckily my brother talked him out of that. Dad's idea was that it was better than me walking into the ransacked place, but my brother wisely pointed out that no one wants to be pulled over and especially when they are probably moving along with the faster traffic. Whew. But my dad called.. I swear I had no chance to even pee before my dad was saying, come here for the night and the cop arrived.. and he so unhelpfully asked what I wanted him to do.. uh.. you left the note, I called. I'm guessing you want me to tell you what is missing??? LOL

and the next time, it still took more than 60 seconds to realize that..oops.. something is wrong here.

I did have a neighbor walk in with me just in case someone might have still been there.

OG.. maybe that was Jon's thinking, though I doubt it.. it is a security building and he had to know Hailey was moving out.. she had a key and for heaven's sake she was FILMED moving out at least outside with the movers. Hard to believe paps hadn't asked him about that. But really your first instinct IS to look around in shock. Assuming, of course you actually ARE in shock and surprised.

As for were they really living there together.. well we know he had been in PA a few times and was in DC with the redhead and later for the hearing and restraining order. And Hailey wasn't along for those trips.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 11:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Seamonkey, you said it well, that's exactly my point. If a person is genuinely shocked and surprised, it takes at least 60 seconds just to snap out of the shock and mentally process what happened.

If anyone is familiar with the term OODA loop, an acronym for - observe, orient, decide, act - which most people go thru this mental process when impromptu alarming situations occur, I just don't see Jon going thru this mental process and making it down to management all in 60 seconds. Most people take at least a full minute just to go thru OODA before acting/reacting. And I don't think Jon has law enforcement or military training to have reduced his OODA (reaction) time so drastically to have gone thru it and make it to the management office, wherever it is located in the building, all in a matter of 1 minute.

That just doesn't sound like someone who wasn't expecting to see what he saw; doesn't sould like genuine surprise, but I could be wrong, people react in different ways. However, like I stated before also, Heller has been inaccurate about a lot of things, so he may be wrong about that 60 seconds time.