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Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I wished my ex was there too, and I told my son that also. I missed the good things about our relationship, even when it was over because of the not so good things. It is quite possible to feel two contradictory things at the same time - sad that it is over and relieved that it is over.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Unfortunately my ex is currently living in my upstairs spare bedroom so I don't get to miss him...and believe me, having him live upstairs has certainly gotten me over that (although the getting over part happened a long time ago - this just reinforces it!).

The faith thing...one of my friends finally divorced her husband after she caught him a second time having an affair - and both times they were with other woemn who attended their church (the first time she forgave him, they moved to another congregation and she worked really hard at putting their marriage back together - the second time at their new church she booted him although it was very painful for her). Although she continued to attend church she wasn't able to participate in some of her activities (she's a gifted singer) for a long time because it was just too painful for her. She said she was very sad to sit with her children alone in church without her spouse, even though she knew the separation and ultimate divorce was the right thing to do. People have to work that out in the way that seems best.

To me, trying to get 8 children up and dressed for church would be overwhelming...I can barely get my one child up on Sunday mornings...I can't even imagine it with the Gosselin brood. (Does anyone else think gosling and picture a group of baby geese when they write that name?)

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
I doubt Jon has taken the kids religious belief, that is all Kate without a doubt. So she does everything else for kids but she couldn't hold her head high (like she apparently does for everything else?) and take the kids to church? YEAH I'm not buying her story. She's a miserable human being, that was beyond a pity party last night, I'm glad I didn't watch it.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
Getting 8 kids up and dressed for church is NOT over-whelminng and we've seen Kate do it for years so that's a bad excuse. She has nannies etc...The twins can dress themselves though I'm sure Mother superior doesn't let them.
I've seen her make breakfast, get the kids dressed and out. It's something very doable for church

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Personally, I think religion for the kids should be something both parents discussed.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
More power to Kate...I'm doing good to get myself dressed on Sunday mornings...my daughter is left to fend for herself!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
i am not 100% sure, but i think i remember reading somewhere that kate's father (parents) were members of a rather strict pentacostal church and she had a fairly strict upbringing. She alluded a little to a strick upbringing last night. I think also part of the break was due to her parents (and some of her siblings) wanting her to do selective reduction rather than trying to carry all 8 babies to term.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Kate...lazy? That just does not compute.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
If Jon is indeed serious about Judaism--and I doubt he is--exposing them to the Jewish faith isn't "taking away" anything. It's adding to.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Does Kate REALLY think there would be a market for a show with ONLY her on it?

Um, there is. She has already had offers.

Still boggles my mind that she cannot seem to connect the dots with regards to the show resulting in massive paparazzi. Sure maybe the amount of paps was really low in the beginning. But the reality of it now is that there are a tons of paps in her kids' lives. The only thing to do (fair or not) is to get the kids and HERSELF too, out of the spotlight.

This horse is already out of the barn. They can't change that. There is public interest in them, and it's not going to just go away.

Yep, she is very hurt by Kevin, but did not explain one lick of that story.

Why should she explain lies? She did make it clear that her brother lied.

I doubt Jon has taken the kids religious belief, that is all Kate without a doubt.

As I said, Jon intends to convert and intends for Shmuley to be the Rabbi for the children. He said that himself.
To me, that indicates that he will be taking their religious beliefs and changing them.
Kate has said nothing about this, so, it's not "all Kate without a doubt."

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I thought kids needed to be a certain age before they converted to Judaism.. I've always read and hear that even for an adult to convert they have to show a deep and sincere interest and gain some knowledge of Judaism? (And certainly it is that way in other churches; I mean, I remember attending church but it wasn't until I was 12 that I went through preparatory classes and then actually joined the church.

I'm guessing what Jon is envisioning is a new show called Jon & Rabbi Schmuley + 8 that would give the Rabbi his time to shine, teach, counsel and for Jon's camp to pull in some $$$.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Seamonkey, you're right: the process for converting to Judaism is long and rigorous (well, Liz Taylor did it really quickly in the 50s, but she is an exception to every rule) and typically takes at least one year of rather intensive study, complete with a test about Judaism and Halacha at the end, followed by a Mikveh. And children have to be at least 13 before they can convert to Judaism--all this after a rabbi tries to convince you that you don't really want to convert (and I'm not joking about that).

So you can spend your whole life around a rabbi without becoming a Jew--you just become a Christian (or Buddhist or Muslim) who knows about Jewish traditions.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 2:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Shouldn't converting to Judaism be the children's choice? The two older girls are certainly old enough to make that decision for themselves.

I doubt Kate will consent to Jon single-handedly making this decision for the children. It would be hard for someone raised as a Christian to consent to converting their children to Judaism...it would go against their own beliefs.

Adven
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02-06-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 2:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
I'm new to the Jon and Kate thing. I never watched the show and only know them through the train wreck that has become their lives. I find the public reaction and the resulting emotional investment many seem to have a lot more interesting than the two combatants themselves.

It's ironic that Jon, Kate, TLC, the media and the viewing public all parrot the "what's best for the children" mantra, yet none of the above are doing much when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is.

It's a cash cow for Jon, Kate, TLC and the media and despite fairly conclusive evidence that a life growing up in front of the camera is not a healthy one, they will always contort their argument to suit what they want to do as opposed to what is best for the children.

As for the viewing public, if we really cared more about the children than we do about the titillation of watching this tacky drama unfold, we'd stop watching the show, buying the magazines and scouring the internet for tidbits.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Getting 8 kids fed and dressed for church may be doable, but taking care of them during church is a different issue. BTW, going through a divorce, I certainly understand not going back to OUR church. Last time, I went to a different one. Changes are difficult....some take years. I don't see how people expect her to carry on like nothing ever happened.

I thought she did a great job last night and looked the best I've ever seen...but then, I don't need to know gory details.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
The two older girls are certainly old enough to make that decision for themselves.

According to Jewish law, they are not.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
When my granddaughter was adopted by my daughter at 3, her favorite song was Jesus Loves Me. My daughter was worried because we're Jewish. I told my daughter to just let her sing to her heart's content and not worry about what religion a baby is. After a while, she started identifying herself as Jewish, but will have to convert if she chooses later. Right now, she's singing with a church choir because they needed a soprano with a lovely voice. I have gone to church (a first for me) on a Sunday to hear her sing and I have to give all you Christians a lot of credit. It isn't easy to get up and look presentable on a Sunday morning. Friday night is much easier.

As to Kate having an audience, I'd watch her. I actually like her and admire her. I only had two kids to raise and she's doing a much better job with her brood than I did. She keeps a cleaner house with eight kids than I am keeping with just me. She is ten times a better mother and housekeeper than I am/was. She might not have been a terrific wife, but then I'm divorced too. If Kate and I were in the same age group and nearby, I think I'd be too intimidated by her perfection to be close to her, which may be why she has so few friends.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Well, I guess I didn't speak correctly. They are old enough to begin the process of determining in what direction their spiritual journey will take. My own daughter was ready to be baptized for at least 2 years before I was ready...I had to be talked into letter her "walk the aisle" so to speak. (I really thought she just wanted to swim in the church...LOL!)

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 3:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
and I have to give all you Christians a lot of credit. It isn't easy to get up and look presentable on a Sunday morning. Friday night is much easier.

mama, i always joked that we were going to convert to catholicism when my kids were little..they had masses at all different times AND a crying room!

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 4:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
She alluded a little to a strick upbringing last night. I think also part of the break was due to her parents (and some of her siblings) wanting her to do selective reduction rather than trying to carry all 8 babies to term

They also came to a break because Kate's Dad's church donated cribs, but they didn't match, so Kate rejected them.

I looked up about their old church and saw where they had been kicked out, but could only see that some members said Jon/Kate weren't that nice. The main reason it seems was the cameras. The church said no more cameras.

I guess they may have been going to that church for the show purposes and when the cameras couldn't film anymore, no going. I always thought it was a good way for them to get a break for an hour or two because the church took the little ones into daycare.

I don't think there is viewership for Kate doing the show alone. Look what happened her first few outings alone? People just want both Jon and Kate to disappear from their screens and hope the children are being taken care of. Both of them being fodder for tabloids because they keep putting themselves out there is so not good for these poor children.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 4:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Cricket, it must have been news cameras from when the babes were first born? Kate was very clear that the break with her parents happened long before the show ever started, just after the 6 were born.

ETA: I have heard that about the cribs before too. Jon and Kate wanted the kids to have matching furniture and clothing, which I am sure (tongue in cheek) went over real well with all those folks who donated.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 4:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Perhaps they were used cribs that wouldn't pass safety standards.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 4:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I think they were "used" and that doesn't pass Kate Standards! :-)

I guess I missed a lot of Jon behaving badly the past week and a half. Gosh, I don't even know what to say about this family any more. I used to feel like the kids at least had Jon taking care of them, being a good dad. Now to hear he's complained about that makes me very sad for those kids.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Ok call me a snob... I wanted all new for my daughter when I had her too. I didnt want used for her.

After 4 years, I would love used LOL! I think all new parents want things to be shiny & new for thier kids. They want everything to be perfect.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 6:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
with my first i wanted all new...the 2nd one, i would have been thrilled for hand me downs.
in fact, i am trying to encourage a prom/formal dress trade off, but it's not going over too well! LOL