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Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Great job ahnika!

I lost my nice long post earlier....darnit.
Lets see if I can figure out what I said.

Brenda....you said you would have liked her to say something like..."Oh yes, Larry, I'd gladly keep working with TLC. I love doing the show and I think just the kids and I would make a fun and entertaining show." If she did, then she would be the mom exploiting her kids and loving the limelight. It's like ahnika said...she can't win!! If she shows emotion, then it's fake. If she doesn't comment, then she's criticized...times she has had something to say, it's been picked apart.

Getting a divorce is hard. I can't imagine it with 8 children and being in the spotlight. I look in her eyes, and I see hurt. I see anger, and at times I see confusion. I'm sure her lawyer is coaching her through these times. She's taken the high road when I would have had a hard time not slamming him and his young women every chance I got. Can ya'll even imagine how badly it hurts her every time she sees those pics all over the media? Lets face it, she would never have to hire a PI to tell her what he's up to.

I have to give her credit. In my book, she's handling things like an adult and definately taking the high road....even though there is plenty of ammo out there for her.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Thank you Ahnicka! You've said exactly what I think but far better than I could have said it.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Thank you Huk, Happymom, Glenrie, Sabbatia, and Mamabatsy!

Happymom, those are my thoughts too. Kate is used to speaking her mind, but when doing these interviews she probably has to hold back for whatever the reasons.

Brenda, Kate may be "seething" and "hurting underneath," but for the sake of the kids, to keep her true opinion of their dad from getting back to them, she can't really speak her mind about Jon right now because it might not be too positive at this stage; therefore choosing her words carefully. She might want to call him a lying, lazy, lousy, similac skirt chasing ingrate or something to that effect, but has to hold back for the sake of it getting back to the children. Who knows. LOL

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
She's already critisized for exploiting the kids. At least she'd be honest about loving her job with TLC and wanting it to continue. I think she did a better job of being open in her People magazine article.

I don't think anyone expects or wants her to talk bad about Jon. She'd be foolish to do so. But questions about where she stays when Jon is with the kids. She can't even answer those without a mysterious "somewhere" or "away" or whatever one word answer she gives. Why can't she say "I don't have a permenant residence away from the kids -- it's too soon for that, we need to let things settle. And right now I don't want the paps knowing where I'm staying!"

Those of us who watch the show know how outspoken she is, that she speaks her mind, says whatever she wants, is sassy, etc. So to see this controled, stiff, not wanting to answer Kate just makes no sense. Doesn't warm the audience. It will be interesting to see what her demeanor is on The View. I think part of what people liked about her was the sassiness. And if that is gone, I don't see her finding that media spot she craves.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Why can't she say "I don't have a permenant residence away from the kids -- it's too soon for that, we need to let things settle. And right now I don't want the paps knowing where I'm staying!"

I thought I read from two different interviews that she said pretty much just that. Or maybe it was how I interpreted it, but I thought on one account she said something like, "elsewhere...keeping a low profile or where the paps can't find me" or something to that effect? Then a second thing I read, I thought she said something about how she stays with the kids, her home is with the kids. That's not verbatim, but whatever she stated to the two sources I read, it certainly gave me the exact impression of what you stated she should say.

If Kate told exactly where she stays when Jon is with the kids, then the paps would be all over her and then there would be comments that she's trying to be in the media, trying to get attention, trying to get sympathy, trying to plug her show, trying to make money, trying to play the victim, etc. etc.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
If she's not going to answer questions, then what is the point of her going on these shows? She is not making herself look any better. She's not garnering sympathy. Jon's poor behavior is doing a better job of making her look sympathetic than her stiff interviews. Is her publicist recommending these gigs? I can't imagine TLC is because she's doing them no favors here.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
(Sorry for the double post up above. I am so puzzled how the double occurred 6 mins. after the original. strange.)

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I might call her a good mom, but in my opinion a good mother would never degrade her children's father in front of them. (Or call the police on their dad while they were in the house. Or keep them on a show when their personal lives were plastered on the covers of magazines.)

That is not to say I don't think she absolutely loves and adores her kids. I have no doubt she loves them very much. She also realizes things like how important individual attention is for each of them. There is a whole lot of things she does that does make her a good mom, but I still wish she would take her kids and get them out of the constant spotlight. (And stay off of shows like Today and Larry King. Stop fueling the fire. She has to know no matter what she says that to go on any TV show is just feeding the flames of more publicity.)

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Let's face it, if people aren't Kate supporters now, they never will be. Nothing she can say will please the naysayers, no emotions will be raw enough or deemed appropriate in their eyes, and how she presents herself in the media will not be good enough.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I don't understand why she keeps giving interviews and says nothing. Both of them need to get real jobs and realize the show is going to end soon. If TLC isn't making money (low viewership) they have no choice but to cance the show after this season.

Kate is a nurse. She and Jon both have babysitters/nannies with them when they are home with the children. Kate could work and have a babysitter come take care of the children.

Same for Jon. He could get a real job instead of jetsetting all over the place.

They are using their children to live in the lifestyle THEY'VE become accustomed to. It's not right.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 1:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Good points cricket.

And fwiw, I do not see any kate hate here. Maybe some Kate Critics, but then that is what anyone will get once they put him/herself in the public eye.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
The children have become accustomed to the same lifestyle. For now, I think Kate may be doing the show because it seems easier than trying to figure out how to manage financially with 8 children and an ex husband who is all for himself. It would also be pretty difficult to tell those children that the trips are over, and "we have to sell your house" because Mommy and Daddy don't make enough to even pay the taxes on it.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 1:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I believe there are those who support Kate and can't stand Jon. I have not seen the word "hate" here.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
question for those who are getting mad at kate/jon for being on LK, the View, US weekly ect. Sure, they could turn those down (if they are allowed to by TLC) but what about those shows/magazines..they are the ones asking them to appear. Those shows/magazines don't have to put them on.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Let's face it, if people aren't Kate supporters now, they never will be. Nothing she can say will please the naysayers, no emotions will be raw enough or deemed appropriate in their eyes, and how she presents herself in the media will not be good enough.

I totally agree. I just felt compelled to say something because it appears no matter what she does she'll never win because some people have made up their minds about her and will view everything she does in the negative. It was weighing heavily on me and so I wanted to point it out.

Huk, I was the one who used the term "Kate haters," but I was using the word "hater" in it's urban usage, slang if you will, not as the specific definition of hate. The urban definition of "hater" is basically a person who consistently makes a point of exposing someone's flaws rather than giving them any sort of credit or being happy for them; one who chooses to only see the negative in another or more negative than positive, and to consistently do so. I was using the term loosely. I don't think people would expend energy to hate her in its true definition of the word, at least I hope not. LOL

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 1:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I'm not even a Kate supporter and I have no problem with her continuing her TV gig. This is her new career, being on TV, writing books, doing speaking engagements. I don't even believe she should give that up. As mentioned, on a nurses salary she wouldn't even be able to pay house taxes or insurance, never mind if there's any mortgage payment on the mansion.

This is her career path and I'm all for women having their own career if they want. Even I wouldn't begrudge her that. It's the entire "it's all for the kids" stuff that I find not all that genuine. It's for her now too. She loves the lifestyle and the perks. The pay is pretty good too. LOL.

So, yes, if this is her career path, her best way to provide for the kids, then do it. But do it right. This media tour she's doing is only hurting her, making her look bad. If her publicist isn't starting to see this, she needs a new one.

Far as I can see this show is still a success for TLC, so I can't see them quitting. I can't see her either. I can see a revamped show without Jon and that may be their best option.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
so if i work because my family needs benefits and i happen to enjoy it too, i am being fake/disingenuous if i say i am working to provide benefits for my family?

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
If you enjoy your job and never admit that, just keep saying "it's all for the kids", then I'd say that's only telling a half truth. It's okay for a woman to say she loves her career! Oh how I wish I could say those words.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
No you would not be being fake but you wouldn't be stating the full reason for why you do the work that you do.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
i went to work to get benefits for my family period. it was a nice perk that i happened to enjoy the job, but in no way did i go back to work for any other reason than to get benefits.
kate didn't start the tv show as a mean to get rich/famous ect. it's a nice perk of the job.


Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I would agree with that. I don't think she ever intended to seek celebrity. But now that it has happened, I think she enjoys it. It has turned into a career for her. I don't fault her for that at all. It happens to a lot of people. Their career just sort of happens around them and suddenly they are doing something they never even dreamed of and loving it.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Jon & Kate Kinda Reunite for First Day of School
The Gosselin twins, Cara and Mady, started third grade today. Kate drove the girls to the bus stop to see them off on the first day, but who's that in the background in the cargo shorts?

It's Jon! He made it! See, he is a good dad "deep down." He didn't even bring a girlfriend on the back of his ATV or embarrass his kids with his usual Ed Hardy overload.

Jon and Kate did stand miles apart, drive in separate cars and "there was no interaction" between the two, according to an eyewitness. "I don't think they spoke to each other." But, you know, whatever works.

The bus came, Kate loaded the girls on, Jon waved goodbye and the soon-to-be official exes drove off in their cars. First day of school mission complete.

The sextuplets start school tomorrow. Everything will probably go the same, but we'll keep you posted.

Then Saturday is Jon's big pool party at Wet Republic in Vegas, and we know who his date will be. (Spoiler alert! Don't jump if you like surprises!)

His mom!

"Jon loves his mom and felt like she deserved a nice getaway," a source tells E! News.

It's going to be the most awesome pool party ever in the history of professional pool-party hosting
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b141415_jon_kate_kinda_reunite_first_day_of.html

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 3:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I have a different take on if she sought fame. I think she did or at least hopped she'd gain notoriety. And once the show took off and fame came she became a professional celeb. Not saying it's a bad thing. She's exactly where she wants to be....a celeb and she's ok with it. It sells books and gets speaking engagements and that's ok. This is her job now and I think that was her goal from very early on.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
really? you think her goal as a child was to be famous? why then pursue nursing? did she she have her kids to be famous? pretty risky.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 3:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Do you think that maybe she is enduring all of this, and continuing to do so so her children will never have to want for anything. Her star will fade, i am sure she knows that, and her kids probably won't grow up to be famous, but they will have every opportunity available to them

AND, there are a lot of husband's and wives otu there that speak to eachother in a lot worse ways that Kate did Jon. She wasn't swearing, he wasn't abusive and I am sure the network showed her at her worst, not at her norm.