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Erniesgirl
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06-26-2006

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Erniesgirl a private message Print Post    
On one episode Jon more or less stated that he felt gypped. Was he? No, we change after childbirth, but we are dealing with an immature man-child. He compares this short-haired darker haired person to the long curly haired blond one he fell in love with.

Sia
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03-11-2002

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sia a private message Print Post    
Right now Kate looks more like she did in her wedding photos than she did in the photo that was taken shortly after the babies were born. She was a thin, beautiful girl with great hair when they got married. She's gotten her figure back by getting a tummy-tuck, eating right and exercising. Her hair, although I hate the cut and the blocky, weird chunks of color in it, is more similar to her wedding hairstyle than it is to the darker unkempt hair she had after the babies.

I wouldn't call it "bait and switch." If I had the money--or the free or reduced-price services--to enable me to turn back the hands of time, I'd go for as many procedures as I could to try and recapture my youthful beauty. I was a fairly attractive girl in my 20s and I'd love to look now like I did then. Now I'm fat, ugly and really medically a mess.

My DH, luckily, doesn't complain about being baited-and-switched because he met and married me when I was 35, not 25. I was heavier then, had health issues, and have steadily grown less attractive over the years. Thankfully, he loves me anyway and just this morning told me "I still have IT."

Jon said in an early interview that it was a huge change for him to go from a 23-yr-old with no children to being a father of 8 kids in just a few short years. That's a huge adjustment. Is he 30 yet? This doesn't give him a pass, but it does explain his lack of maturity. He has become a public figure and his business is out there for everyone's "entertainment," yet these are real lives that can potentially be shattered.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 2:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
The twins are 8 (I think) so that would make Jon at least 32 -

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 3:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
in the early show (marathon re ran it) Kate gave Jon a 30th bday treat when they went away - were on a boat... and I dont understand all the whining but that's no surprise (ie whining about 'bait and switch' after all he got hair plugs)

He just doesnt seem as if he's grown up, the snowboarding, golfing, even taking the kids to the gym - its not unusual for some people not to grow up, take responsiblity... I guess I think it didnt help that he didnt help financially - with his IT Job, it seems Kate was always the bigger wage earner? I could be wrong of course)

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Something I was thinking about, what is the REAL difference between the Dionne quints (when they had the public file thru and watch the kids thru a window--something like that) and the Gosselin family (having at least a decent portion of their lives watched by a ton of people?) I think it is basically the same thing and when they look back at it many years from now, they will realize it was a mistake.

Mush
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09-09-2002

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 4:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mush a private message Print Post    
I am REALLY late to this show! I just started watching it this weekend when I caught the episode of Kate potty training the boys and made several comments around the idea that girls are so much better than boys. Since I have only boys, her attitude really stood out to me. I've seen it on a few other episodes -- just saw one where she listed each of the girls individually, followed by "the boys". Has this been a common thing over the course of the show?

I don't know what's going on with their marriage, but I imagine that adding the strain of a TV crew on top of having all those little kids can't help.

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
Well I know this is not going to be a popular stand, but I watched much of the marathon of past shows and Kate was much nicer to Jon in the beginning. She hasn't been very nice to him at all in the past several years. She has always been very controlling. It even showed that he would make her coffee in the morning and put it next to her bed and if anyone noticed even with that she had it written out exactly how she wanted her coffee fixed. He worked a full time job in the beginning and came home and was in charge of bathing the kids and getting them ready for bed. I'm not saying that he shouldn't do that, I just saying. Whenever Kate had a project to to whether it was cooking or packing it was up to Jon to get the kids out of the house and keep them away from her. I never heard him complain and I'm not saying he shouldn't have done that....I'm just saying. Yet whenever Kate had a project for Jon to do, like take down the beds and put up new bunk beds or put up new shelves in the garage....he did that and had the kids with him....where was Kate??? I think that this show has made Kate a bit too full of herself and I don't think she is as nice as she is portrayed, and sometimes that wasn't so good and while I realize I can not believe everything that is written, I read where Kate was in a store and someone said to her "You look so familiar, where do I know you from" and Kate's reply was "Think about it, it will come to you." I used to really stick up for her, but not anymore. Watching the shows Jon has much more interaction with the kids than Kate does.
Well that is only my opinion and now I will go back to my corner.

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 4:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
OK, Being someone who had never watched this show once.... last night and today....I kinda have watched a 'bunch'....partly because I have been reading all your comments and got curious..

Im a very private person and no way ever would I open my life up like they have, but I guess the finacial help would be a driving force there.

Looks like Kate wanted the hair transplant more then Jon... he seemed to care less... kinda seemed like she was nagging about his hair loss... that sucks for him.... but I did see that they did not have to pay for it. Also I see that the tummy tuck was a freebee too.... (Id love to have one of those)...and from the results of the tuck it seemed to be a very good job cause she looked great after that.... that is the kind of skin flab that almost no amount of exersize can help....
As far as Jon goes... I think he is a very hands on Dad... they both are... but as far as Daddys go, He does a ton with the kids and helps allot....
It seems to me that she likes the cameras more than him..... 'thats fine' but he just seems to be tierd of it... I know I would...
One question, on all the comercials that I keep seeing for the Monday show it says ..."see Kate and Jon togeather for the first time"...Are they split up????? Now that Im watching this thing I want to know....lol.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 4:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yankee_in_ca a private message Print Post    
It means that they haven't given any joint interviews since the "scandal" broke, and this will be their first interview together since.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 5:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
My 12 and 13 yr old daughters are even chomping at the bit to watch tomorrow nights episode,and I kind of feel it is a bad thing for them to watch,but they have watched the series with me forever,and In a strange way,it will be a good learning experience for them,IMO. If nothing else,to show them noone is exempt from problems no matter their status or fortune.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Yeah, the way the promos that TLC is running for this episode (or special??) makes it look like Jon and Kate have not spoken to each other at all--until now. A little deceiving/misleading as I am guessing that they have, in fact, spoken to each other about this situation before this episode. But again I s'pose it is a way to gain more viewers. Guess it is a marketing move. Kind of sad that it is somewhat exploitive. But J&K are grown ups.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
This weekend is the first time watching for me too. Gotta say, I find Jon much more palatable than Kate. He has a good sense of humor and has real fun with the kids.

What's the deal with that Mady kid? Has she always had these "issues"? She really has a very unpleasant personality and seems to mimic her mother a lot with regard to the controlling persona. Some of the kids are adorable...others...not so much, LOL.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 8:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
I think the Dionne girls situation was even worse, Julieboo. They were separated from their parents and their siblings and put on exhibit like zoo animals. They didn't have anything that even resembled a normal family life.

Some of the sisters moved to Quebec and lived very privately.

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 9:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
Just saw the episode where they renewed their wedding vows and Kate kept telling the kids that they were doing that so that they would always know that they would always be together. So I hope that the both of them honor that and get help because of all of the kids. It's really is time to forget about themselves and think about the kids who should come first.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 9:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
The Dionne quintuplets: A Depression-era freak show
November 19, 1997
Web posted at: 11:46 p.m. EST (0446 GMT)
(CNN) -- The Dionne quintuplets were the miracle babies of their time -- a bright story in the depth of the Depression.

But their story is tragic; their lives a circus.

The five sisters, Annette, Cecile, Yvonne, Marie and Emilie, were born from a single egg in 1934. The public seemed to adore them. But, they were abused -- both by the world and, they claim, by their father.

As babies, the quints were taken from their parents by the Ontario government and made wards of the state. Although their health was fine, they lived at a hospital that became a tourist mecca called "Quintland."

Between 1934 and 1943, about 3 million people visited Quintland, a low, modern building with a garden and a high fence near the village of Corbeil, in Northern Ontario.

The government and nearby businesses made an estimated half-billion dollars off the tourists. The sisters were the nation's biggest tourist attraction -- bigger than Niagara Falls.


'It wasn't human'

Born May 28, 1934, to poor, French-speaking, Catholic parents, the Dionne quints were at least two months premature, and together they weighed less than 14 pounds. Each of the babies could be held in an adult palm.

They were put by an open stove to keep warm, and mothers from surrounding villages brought breast milk for them. Against all expectations, they survived their first weeks.

To protect the infants from germs, kidnappers and a father known to have considered exhibiting them for money, they were taken from their family and placed under the government's guardianship. A hospital was built across the road from their family's farmhouse for their exclusive use.

The hospital became "Quintland" and the sisters' home for years after. Their parents, made unwelcome, became irregular visitors.

Film footage of the young quintuplets shows five pretty girls with dark hair and dark eyes -- and a crush of tourists waiting in line to see them.

"It wasn't human," Cecile Dionne told The (London) Independent in a 1995 interview. "It was a circus."

In the early days, nurses would take the quints to a nursery balcony and show them, one at a time, to the crowds below. Later, they were viewed three times a day from a gauze-covered corridor. "We saw moving. We heard sounds," said Cecile.

The quints were studied by scientists, who X-rayed them, catalogued episodes of "anger and fear," and recorded things such as food intake and incidents of dissent.

Cecile said she learned the word "doctor" before she learned "mother."

After nine years and a bitter custody fight, the girls moved back with their parents and their other siblings. They lived at home until they were 18, after which they broke off almost all contact with their parents. In a later book the sisters claimed their father sexually abused them, though they later disputed the allegations of abuse.

Two of them, Emilie and Marie, died as young women, one from a seizure and one from a stroke.

Now 63 -- in poor health and with limited financial resources -- the surviving sisters are negotiating with the Ontario government for their share of some of the profits made at Quintland more than half a century ago.

Correspondent Dan Ronan contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9711/19/dionne.quints/

The Gosselins see a camera crew and some nannies and their parents.. they aren't measured or studied except at their well-baby doctor appts. They live with parents, go to school, are not wards of the state.

Not really the same and what money they get seems to go to their family, not the government.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 9:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Country, Kate also worked at the beginning of the show, as a nurse on weekends.

Lori, I agree.. you can use it as a discussion starter with your girls.. that the grass on the other side of the fence, be it next door, or on tv is rarely as green as it looks.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, May 25, 2009 - 7:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Wow, that is a sad story. Though it was much different and worse than the Gosselins being on TLC, there is some similarity. The basic one to me is that they have lost all anonymity. So very many people know all their business. I am so hoping that tonight they show Jon and Kate eager to smooth out this very rough spot...

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, May 25, 2009 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
What was so amazing about the Dionne's is they were identical.





This picture shows how very much alike they were.

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Monday, May 25, 2009 - 8:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
I'm really saddened by the Aunt Jodi, Uncle Kevin interview. There was no need for them to give an interview like that.
When she was originally cut from the Gosselin's lives I did feel sorry for her. It was mainly Jodi's sister that did all the blabbing about that situation, and Jodi appeared to only give an interview to set the record straight, and I'm sure she was angry at the time. She's likely still angry, but it sounds as though Jon came to Kevin and Jodi in confidence and for them to turn around and give a public interview about that conversation doesn't seem to be in anybody's best interest.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, May 25, 2009 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
To say that the Gosselin kids are like the Dionne girls is a stretch in my opinion. If they are, then so are the Duggars, Roloffs and any other family with children on a reality show.
Why isn't anyone talking about Kate saying she let Jon handle all the boys' clothes for the wedding because she trusted him to do a good job or how relaxed she was at the hair salon and let the girls do what they wanted or what about the painting with pudding at the beach?
no one seems to remember when she is relaxed. she admits that she is a neat freak and it's something she works very hard to control.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, May 25, 2009 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
what about them taking the kids to St Judes or having the garage sale for charity when the kids were really little? these parents are trying to make sure they understand they are lucky. these parents also never seem to take for granted how blessed they are to have healthy kids.

I am not blind to how kate can lose her temper with jon, and yes, i cringe at times. jon can also whine and complain and be passive agressive, but i admire what a good job they are doing with their kids, and don't for one minutes doubt that everything they are doing is for their kids.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, May 25, 2009 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Amen to both your posts, Annie!

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Monday, May 25, 2009 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
Like I said earlyer...Im new to this show..But I think they both kick butt as far as sharing the load....Kate is very routine oriented..."So would I, you would have to be"...and Jon does a ton of the work...Its obvious to me that those kids love their Mommy and Daddy...
Just from what I have seen I dont think they will split up.. Im surprized they dont argue more, cause Im not sure I could be so calm....any way..Ive enjoyed watching them this lazy weekend. The kids are adorable and different.. I hope that they do stop this show though when the kids at least get to the end of elementry school.... I dont think it would be good to watch them any older then that..not very healthy...

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Monday, May 25, 2009 - 10:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Texannie...I agree with much of what you are saying.

I had dinner with friends last night and we spent some time talking about the show. One thing we laughed at was the concept that if Jon is, in fact, ready to leave the marriage, that Kate should stop the show. How are she and Jon going to support 2 separate households on what he makes as an IT person and what she makes as a nurse? And nursing is EXHAUSTING! Trying to raise 8 kids while doing it, dealing with an ex and all that baggage, and keeping yourself together would be overwhelming for the average person, let alone a control freak like Kate. They need all the money they can get if, in fact, the marriage is ending.

Second, we were reflecting back to Jon's statement that he could not be himself in public and, while we all got the concept in theory, when we stopped and thought about ourselves, we couldn't think of one darn thing that we wouldn't be able to do with cameras watching. Sure, the cameras would be annoying, the constant trailing of the paparazzi would be frustrating, but that's not what Jon was complaining about. He was upset that he couldn't do things without it being reported in the media. Maybe if he didn't want to do inappropriate things with 23 year old members of the opposite sex, the cameras wouldn't bug him so much. It's interesting because he has always come off as the more likeable of the two, obviously, but maybe that's been a huge act and he's tired of having to maintain it. Kate may not be tired of it because she is who she is, which is not always a pleasant person, but it does appear to be real which has got to be an easier way to live on camera!

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Monday, May 25, 2009 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Texannie,you crack me up..Last night I kept going over the "what abouts" ,and there were so many to post!! You need to email me,we are on the same wave length. great posts!!