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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 4:32 pm
I have a pure bred golden retriever. He's one of the best dogs ever. We've also had another previously (years back) and he was also a wonderful dog. There are those out there who want pure bred Queenslands for the herding, who's lineage is superb in herding so pure bred is the way to go. Many breeds are like that, herding, protecting, working, etc. etc. and if you can prove the lineage, you are more likely to get what you want in an animal. Temperment is another one. So, please remember that there are people here who just might take offense to you poo pooing somone who wants a pure bred and not a mut (I have 3 rescue muts too), and it sucks that people breed muts and dump them, but trying to make someone feel guilty for wanting a pure bred is uncool. Plus with pure breds, you know if the parents had any genetic disorders and if the animal you are purchasing is going to be prone to those. Nothing worse than adopting a dog that breaks the bank in vet bills. Yes, you can have them checked, but if they have it, then what? At least if you know the parents are sound, the puppies are more likely to be as well. Don't get down on breeders and those who want pure breds so they know the nature of the animal and the background and lineage. What doesn't make sense to me is NOT spaying or neudering your pets so it muddies up bloodlines and then people are guilted into getting something that may not be good for their family.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 4:34 pm
I am not getting on anyone who does have a purebred. SO please I do hope no one takes offense. I just wish everyone would do research and give shelters and rescues a serious look before they buy from a breeder.
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 6:21 pm
It would be great if shelters & rescues would let folks adopt if they live in an apartment (like me). After we lost our last dog, I wanted to rescue. Despite my dh working from home, our dog getting at least 3 walks a day, romps on the beach, hikes in the hills, etc. etc. on a very regular basis, we live in an apartment without a fenced yard so, no, we're not fit dog owners. I get where they're coming from BUT when people get on my case for getting a purebred when the rescue people treated me like shit, I get sorta annoyed. (ETA that I don't think you are, Julieboo, I know where you're coming from, but I just wanted to get this off my chest.)
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 6:58 pm
Quote: Now, Shoka and Nala, the family dogs are being discarded and Jon has been telling pals it's Kate's fault because she won't take care of them when he's not at the house. I'm sorry...I know Jon isn't popular here, but I do believe this all Kate. She made it clear from the beginning she didn't like those dogs. When I heard her talk about German Shepherds, I was floored. I told my daughter then those dogs wouldn't be around long once they get bigger and voila! I believe Jon is telling the truth in this case that Kate won't take care of the dogs when he isn't there. She's made no secret of the fact they are just a nuisance to her. The breeder had better make sure they get good homes. If that guy had watched any shows or knew Kate in the slightest, he couldn't have thought those dogs would be a good match for her temperament and personality. He just wanted to make a sale. I read a headline @ the grocery store today that Hailey dumped Jon.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 7:10 pm
I see your point Cricket but I am in Jon's position and I think the responsibility is his. I have two dogs, neither of which my hubby really wanted. He is a big-dog kinda guy, little house-dogs leave him cold. If I am out of town he will feed the dogs and let them in and out but he's not going to walk them or play with them. He isn't at all mean to them, (they spend plenty of time curled up on his lap too) they just don't float his boat. If we divorced then the dogs would go with me and if I bought a condo in a no-animal building then it would be on me to make arrangements for my animals. From what Jon initially said the same is happening with Kate.... she is feeding the dogs and looking after their basic needs but animals that young and big need a lot more attention on a daily basis and with 8 kids she was always honest about not needing the responsibility of two more. Having said that.... these two can't even behave civilly enough to hire a dog walker for a few days alternate weeks? Not even for the sake of their children? Shame on them.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 7:12 pm
Yankee, I do know what you mean. When Ryan was 2, a lot of rescues were ticking me off so much that I actually did contemplate a breeder. (I bet you could even find posts from me from around 2001 that had me complaining!!) They were tough about toddlers. But Ryan WAS a rough kid, and I know that if a dog bites a kid, even if the kid was tormenting the dog, the dog loses. Usually his/her life. SO the rescues are picky. And there are a lot of people who work at shelters/rescues who are burnt out and can be very rude. But they often see a lot of the worst of humanity (from abused animals to people treating pets like they are a totally disposable entity) so I think they are sometime bitter. They should really just take a break. They are stupid to not be nice to any potential adopter. I just hope everyone understands my point. It is not ripping on ppl cuz they want a certain breed. That is fine. But to see so many dogs get put to death makes me sad. (I was personally able to save three such dogs. And you have no idea how wonderful these dogs are. Awesome with kids, came to us housebroken, nondestructive, and loving loving loving. ) So I know good shelter/rescue dogs are out there. Just can't wrap my head around all those pups being put to death while there are new dogs being bred "on purpose." I know it is a tricky thing and people have different opinions on it. And I swear, I do not want to hurt/insult anyone like Yankee or Escapee or anyone reading who may have used a breeder. There are a ton of awesome pet owners on this board who love their pets so very much. I would not want to insult any of them. And I really do appreciate people taking a minute to see that viewpoint.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 7:16 pm
Yankee, I totally get what you are saying, and that is why the pet stores and the backyard breeders will continue to exist and profit. Some of the rescue places make it too hard to get a pet if you don't have the perfect home or if you have kids. I called countless rescue groups when I was looking and as soon as I said I had a child, they told me they wouldn't place an animal with me. The shelters and humane society were willing to work with me and found me a gentle, kid-friendly mutt. P.S. Cricket -- I agree. I think Kate doesn't want the dogs any longer now that Jon isn't living there to take care of them.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 7:27 pm
I agree, Rissa, that Jon is the primary caregiver for the dogs, but yes..they are bigger and need to be walked/run, etc. I was also wondering why Kate didn't just hire someone to help with the dogs, but maybe the children are enough. If we are going in the same vein though, Kate wanted the kids more than Jon, so would they be her responsibility? Brenda, I agree. I saw it coming. She didn't want them when Jon was there. It's better for the dogs to go to a home where they are wanted. The problem for getting dogs for kids that young is they are a novelty and it wears off, so the kids don't want to or can't take care of the dogs.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 7:34 pm
Brenda's post reminds me of what gets me. Maybe one rescue shelter turns someone down (kids, apt, whatever reason). But there are many many many shelters/rescues out there. Many people get mad and say screw it, I'm going to a breeder or petshop (I know, I was there!!) instead of just keep trying a few more rescues. But there are more lenient shelters/rescues out there. Even just an ad in the paper of someone giving their puppies, kittens, dog, cat away. And then you have Kate and Jon, front and center, acting like these animals are disposable. Why didn't they think about the "what ifs" BEFORE they got these dogs. Most places (whether breeders or shelters) make you fill out a lot of paperwork with different scenarios there for you to ponder. I mean giving up the kids would be so very out of the question. Why is giving up the dogs so reasonable? Why couldn't they "make it work?" (I do however wholeheartdly believe in this case, with all the paps and stress and stuff, that the dogs would be better off back with the breeder. I just think it is a bad PR thing for all dogs everywhere.)
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 7:50 pm
I got the impression the breeder was trying to get his 15 minutes of fame Julie. Didn't they say that he had offered dogs before but Kate/Jon had said no? I think I remember her saying he had been in contact for a year before they finally agreed. Not exactly ideal conditions for a successful *adoption*, foisting your animals on a family that hadn't come to the decision naturally. Perhaps someone here has that episode and correct me if that is wrong. I definately agree, they could easily have maintained the animals in the home. This reeks of yet another power play in the game of Kate vs Jon with the kids (and the dogs) stuck in the middle.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 8:32 pm
As long as they aren't supporting an abusive situation like puppy mills, I think that people should be able to get their pets from whatever source they wish without being made to feel guilty about it.
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Kittyab
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 8:32 pm
Ok I am a mom of 1 child with 2 dogs and I have days I know my dogs are not getting the attention they need. So I imagine with 8 kids her hands are full as it is. I am glad she sees this and is going to give them to someone who has the time to look after them.
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 8:50 pm
You all are right. My daughter worked for a shelter for 3 years. She was in charge of adoptions, but was furious with the rules regarding adoption. Her argument was, better these poor animals have a home and people who love them then die, so what if they don't have a fenced in yard, or live in an apartment. She saw so many wonderful people turned away for the dumbest reasons. Her boss had final say, but my daughter did manage to work around some of the rules and place these poor animals. I wish all the shelters in America would be a little less strict with their adoption policies. I agree that people who choose to have pure bred dogs shouldn't be demonized, you know how large the dog will be, what dog's are good for children with allergies, what dogs are aggressive, what dogs are low maintenance, etc.. Shelters do get pure bred dogs, so it's worth a look there before looking for a breeder. Just don't go to a pet store or a back yard breeder. Beware of ads in newspapers, check out the person if you can. Finding a mutt with some of the breed you want in his mix may be the best of both worlds. Spaying and neutering is the best gift we can give our animals, no more unwanted litters. People have to start taking responsibility for their pets.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 10:00 pm
I didn't mean to offend anyone with my breeding comment earlier. A lot of the breeders in the group I was in didn't breed much and had people wanting their pups. I just didn't understand the ones that had a herd of breed dogs. When I adopted Odie from the shelter in Baytown, it was done through a rescue group. They didn't ask any questions about the home. He was on the short list to the point the rescue group got someone down there to get him out of the shelter till I could pick him up. I do want to add something about shelter dogs. They aren't for everyone. I've had three now and they all have the strangest personalities. They don't play with toys....they just love their people. That's sad to me. Now...what's this about Haley breaking up with Jon?
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 10:08 pm
Interesting Sabbatia. My shelter dog won't play with toys either. It's obvious she was abused by a man. Took her forever to warm up to my dad, but she loves him now. But still no interest in toys, won't chase a ball. I guess it's kind of a blessing in disquise that she didn't like toys because she never chewed up any of DD's toys or stuffed animals. I think the Hailey dumping Jon rumor is an old one. That will likely float around until they tie the knot.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 12:50 am
Supposedly about the dogs: LINK http://perezhilton.com/2009-09-16-jon-gosselin-gives-the-dogs-away Funny, I also thought if Jon wanted dogs, why did he move to Manhattan.. for that matter with 8 kids, why did he ...
quote:claiming he's doing it because Kate Gosselin doesn't take care of them while he's away from the house. Sure, Jon, blame Kate for this too! Anything else you want to NOT take responsibility for? Maybe if you had bought a small house instead of a swanky bachelor pad (aka thinking of your children and not yourself), maybe the kids could keep their beloved pets. And don't think we're one sided on this; we totally believe Kate has issues with caring for the dogs. But we also feel the addition of the two dogs to a family of eight children was in no way her idea. That burden is all on him. And once again, the children lose out during their parent's divorce. Wonder if the breeder will breed a Gosselin line?! Goodbye Shoka and Nala!
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/jon_gosselin_vasectomy_hailey_glassman_stephanie_santoro/celebrity/6731
quote:Hawaiian Eye for the Ladies Jon Gosselin's smoothest pick-up line - EVER --or WHY baby sitter/lover Stephanie Santoro's NOT preggers!! Jon says he's had a vasectomy - and the two-timing cad is using the fact that he had the procedure to seduce star-struck young women! The 32-year-old father of eight publicly claims to be dating pretty Hailey Glassman, 22. But the "star" of Jon & Kate Plus 8 has been linked to at least two other cuties, including the family's former baby sitter Stephanie Santoro. And The ENQUIRER has learned that when Stephanie's mom warned her about getting pregnant, Stephanie told her not to worry. "Stephanie said Jon told her that he had a vasectomy after the sextuplets were born," Marci Santoro told The ENQUIRER. "She told me, 'Mom, you don't need to worry about that. He can't have any more kids.'" Stephanie, a 23-year-old single mom, flipped for Jon after they met at his favorite local hangout, a bar called Legends near his Pennsylvania home, and he hired her to help look after his kids, said Marci. As The ENQUIRER has reported, Jon and Stephanie spent the night together in his garage apartment on the Gosselin's estate in Wernersville on Aug. 1. At the time, Jon was publicly proclaiming his love for Hailey, and when she learned that Jon had cheated on her with Stephanie, she dumped him. Furious, Jon called Stephanie on Sept. 1 and demanded that she lie to Hailey, Marci said. "Jon asked Stephanie to call Hailey and tell her that they were just friends, and they never had a relationship. He wanted Stephanie to calm Hailey down and tell her that she was a sitter for the kids," Marci told The ENQUIRER. "Stephanie told Jon, 'I can't call someone and lie that none of these things happened when you and I both know they did.' Jon got mad and hung up on her." While they were dating, Stephanie also signed a nondisclosure agreement at Jon's insistence - and now he's threatened to slap her with a lawsuit over it, her mother says. "Stephanie really fell hard for Jon," she said, "but she's learned that he is not all he makes himself out to be. "He has a way of manipulating young women."
Just gets crazier and crazier 
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 4:42 am
we adopted one of our dogs from the shelter...i think it was easier to adopt my kids! LOL
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 6:41 am
He said; she said, she said, she said and she said. It just keeps getting weirder and weirder. (I think I got all the 'shes' in there.)
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 6:48 am
Maybe if you had bought a small house instead of a swanky bachelor pad (aka thinking of your children and not yourself), maybe the kids could keep their beloved pets. And don't think we're one sided on this; we totally believe Kate has issues with caring for the dogs. But we also feel the addition of the two dogs to a family of eight children was in no way her idea. good point And once again, the children lose out during their parent's divorce. too true
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Snoopsmom
Member
02-19-2003
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 7:06 am
Bonnie Hunt is on a rant about the Gosselins getting rid of the dogs and the impact on the kids. She is really ticked off!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 7:54 am
LOL i was just coming in to post about it too, Snoops! i love her, she totally says what she thinks.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 8:09 am
WOW.. the view is interesting so far!
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 9:14 am
OMG I just read that Kate and Paula Deen are filming a talk show pilot. LOL. I think I'd have to be strapped down, sedated, and threatened with bodily harm to watch that.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 10:11 am
Me, too! I can barely watch Paula Deen. Though I love her personality, she uses far too much butter, peanut butter and mayo for my taste. I'll never forget turning to the Food Network one day and seeing Paula eating a french fry sandwich on white bread with mayo. DH was totally grossed out! 
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 10:53 am
LOL this article calls Paula "Team Butter" http://www.popeater.com/2009/09/18/rumors-kate-gosselin-paula-deen-allegedly-join-for-new-reality-tv-show/
quote:Is Kate Joining Team Butter, Errr, Deen? Looks like the 'Jon and Kate Plus 8' mom can't get enough of television. According to RadarOnline, Kate Gosselin is reportedly teaming up with Southern cooking belle Paula Deen for a new mom focused show. The proposed pilot will contain a mix of advice, health and beauty tips and celebrity gossip geared toward moms and moms-to-be. E! Online's Mark Malkin broke the news of Gosselin's new show. The 'View'-like morning show will allegedly have multiple guests for the ladies-only chat fest. "They're looking around and casting for other women to be on the show with them," one source said. "But they want all the women to be moms." A rep for Telepictures would not confirm or deny a Gosselin-Deen show was in the works. "We don't comment on any development activity," the rep said. Gosselin told Entertainment Weekly about four months ago she has hopes of landing a talk show. "There are no mom-centered talk shows. I think that would be a very comfortable thing for me," she said.
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