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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 8:45 pm
If the visitation schedule is in the courts hands, its not what Kate wants or what Jon wants. Its what the court has ordered.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 11:49 pm
It's a shame J&Can't be civil or even friends.....Lots of divorced people are able to see beyond their own issues with their ex for the sake of the kids. But these kids will only see their parents as people who can't be in the same room no matter how nice it would be for the kids. I can say for a fact....it's really really hard to be friends, or even civil while you are splitting things up. I don't think anyone ever feels like they got what they deserved....except maybe the lawyers LOL. HOPEFULLY, when it's all settled, they will be able to.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 12:26 am
I think it is even harder to be friends or civil when you have the high powered attorneys that Jon hired and then Kate hired to deal with that attorney Jon's attorney had been involved in some sort of shady stuff like helping the Son of Sam serial killer, David Berkowitz publish his views. but even Berkowitz may be suing him. Meanwhile Jon has apparently decided that it is okay for his kids to be filmed by HIS chosen bodyguard/paparrazo and even on the sacred property where he banished TLC film crews.
quote:TLC Jon & Kate Plus 8 - Jon Gosselin allows paparazzi to film his children inside family compound November 29, 2:23 Jon Gosselin APPhotos released yesterday show Jon Gosselin, the rogue reality star, interacting with his eight children inside the family compound. In photos published by x17, Jon is seen tossing one of the sectuplets over his shoulder. This is not the first time this has happened, numerous shots of the children at their home have been showing up for weeks. While the eight little ones are not shot inside the home, it is clear the photographer is taking the shots from inside the fence and has been invited onto the property. Jon has hired Thomas Meinelt, to be not only his bodyguard but his exclusive paparazzi photographer. The photos are then sold to tabloid media outlets. It is astounding to see Jon allow paparazzi take photos of his children on their PA country property, after doing the media rounds with his controversial lawyer Mark J. Heller and demanding his children be taken off of TV, especially during his divorce. There is a breach of contract lawsuit with TLC coming up in December and a countersuit for five million dollars at stake. Why Jon Gosselin suddenly feels that he is the only one allowed to profit from images of his children is an enigma.
http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m11d29-TLC-Jon--Kate-Plus-8--Jon-Gosselin-allows-paparazzi-to-film-his-children-inside-family-compound
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 1:48 am
Pffttt!!! No surprise there. Another disappointment for me about Jon. "The kids not being allowed to see their dad on this first big holiday since the divorce will always be remembered by the kids. It's a shame J&Can't be civil or even friends.....Lots of divorced people are able to see beyond their own issues with their ex for the sake of the kids. But these kids will only see their parents as people who can't be in the same room no matter how nice it would be for the kids. This modeling of behavior will show up in some of the kids." It really hasn't been that long since they split. Hopefully things will get better and they will be able to coparent civilly while in each other's presence...they may be doing that now. I know a couple quite well who could not be in the same room with each other for years. They were divorced for about 8 years. Things gradually got better and they eventually threw a birthday party together for their child. And now they are actually married again to each other. I do not think their child (who was about the same age as the sextuplets when they split) remembers that they could not be in the same room together. Thankfully kids don't really concentrate on the relationship the parents have with each other. They are more concerned with how it will affect them...as someone with first hand experience posted up thread. (OG maybe.) Professionals will agree with this.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 9:11 am
Separate holidays are simply a reality in divorced families. Whether it's this year or next year or which holiday it begins won't make that much of a difference. The wound for the children is the divorce itself, not the no-longer-shared holidays.
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 9:31 am
In my experience kids remember more than adults would like to acknowledge. IMO Jon and Kate are making this more difficult than it should be for the kids. For all the proclaiming that they do about the kids being the most important equation in this fiasco of a family, they sure didn't make any attempt to make the first Thanksgiving as a broken family to include both mom and dad. The kids are old enough to see that mom and dad basically hate each other, there is no hiding that from the kids. It's very damaging for kids when they sense the hate between the parents. Some parents like Jon and Kate might ease their pain by pretending the kids don't care but they do. If Jon and Kate really cared about the kids good mental health they need to put their animosity for each other off to the side and concentrate on the kids especially during holidays. Jon and Kate seem very selfish...not a great trait for parents.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 11:54 am
No, Jon despises Kate but Kate still loves Jon and is still hurting over the breakup. Kate loves the kids and shows it. Jon says he loves the kids but sure doesn't show it much. And actions do speak so much louder than words.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 12:52 pm
I agree Twinkie. I see Jon as the immature one who wasn't ready for the responsibility. He rebelled at the first chance he got. The show allowed him the opportunity.
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Willsfan
Member
09-04-2000
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 4:14 pm
Good post Twinkie. ITA
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 5:20 pm
Kate is much better at media than Jon (duh) and lots of people see her as the hurt one and Jon as the instigator. I will always believe that she was the one who initiated the marital troubles. No one really knows how the marriage truly failed. Jon certainly has been a tool since the end of the marriage but I find him to me more real (completely flawed right now). I don't get anything but fake and canned answers every time Kate speaks. My gut tells me she is more of a user of the kids than Jon. Jon sets up photo ops with paps with the kids but Kate spews her love and devotion to the kids best interests but I bet she barely spends time with them now that the cameras are gone. It's just what my intuition tells me. The kids should have been born to better parents. It's infuriating that they took such extreme steps to have such an extreme amount of kids and they couldn't bother to work things out at least work things out so the divorce wouldn't be as nasty as it is.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 5:38 pm
I don't agree that Kate still loves Jon - in fact, I am not sure that she ever did. It is simply incomprehensible to me that ANYONE could talk to someone they love the was she spoke to him ON CAMERA. Heaven knows what it was like when they were alone. I think she has way more street smarts than he does and fully believed that she could control him and their family and their lives. I am sure she is deeply diestressed that this turned out not to be true.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 5:51 pm
i watched the show from the beginning..she loved him and he her.
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Rissa
Member
03-19-2006
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 6:01 pm
Of course they loved each other and probably still do on some level. In fact I would say they each care a lot for the other or they wouldn't be able to get under each other's skin the way they do. The opposite of love is apathy not hatred after all.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 6:20 pm
I'm not sure that the love they had in the beginning was the sort that lasts a lifetime or even lasts the duration of raising kids. Or maybe one of them or both of them fell more deeply in love with the fame that came along with being on a TV show? Or maybe one of them took on a lover other than their spouse, named TLC, It doesn't really matter how or why, the fact that the kids don't have a mommy and daddy that live together or love each other anymore, coupled with all the media coverage of the nastiness surrounding J&K...as soon as the kids start to google there will be a whole new round of hurt. Very sad-
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 6:38 pm
Or maybe one of them took on a lover other than their spouse, named TLC Haha and sadly so very close to reality...
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 6:39 pm
I have an ex aunt and uncle in law that just pick pick pick at each other all day long. I have no idea how they stay married, but in spite of all that picking, I've never known a couple more devoted to each other and more truly passionate (after 25 years) than these two!
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Florin
Member
08-27-2006
| Monday, November 30, 2009 - 9:56 pm
I had to laugh Karuuna. My mother and step father would bicker at each other most of the day. I would warn my friends before we got to their house when visiting them that to just ignore it. They really did love each other that was how they communicated with each other. If you knew what was going on it was almost funny to watch them.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 11:22 am
For those of you who will be following the trial: Lawyers for TLC and Gosselin agreed on Tuesday to move up the court date from December 14 to December 10, as TLC's suit against Gosselin is heard by a judge.
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Jkm
Member
07-10-2002
| Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 10:38 am
Gee, I wonder if Jon & Kate are secretly just a little happy poor Tiger Woods has stumbled - Major media attack on Tiger - maybe less of J+K?
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 12:47 pm
Jon probably isn't happy. But then one's response is based on whether or not you are pro J or pro K. I consider K the lesser of 2 evils.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 12:54 pm
I consider J to be the lesser of 2 evils, but I'll agree he's probably not happy. I expect we'll see him behaving badly soon to try and get the spotlight back!
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 12:58 pm
I'm thinking that Jon and TLC have come to a settlement, which would explain the earlier court date.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 2:20 pm
I think they both are different shades of the lesser evils and both have their dirty finger prints all over breaking up their family. Jon went off the deep end post split up, Kate went off the deep end pre split with the fame and $$$$. I think Kate handled the media better than Jon post split but I can't help but think Jon is a more authentic person than Kate...flaws and all. Whatever.....those kids are now a product of divorce and a nasty one at that.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 3:44 pm
How can a person get caught lying all the time and be considered authentic?
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 5:09 pm
I can see being authentic as being true to oneself, not necessarily truthful to others. For example, if you don't care what others think of you, it matters not one whit whether you tell them the truth or not - I don't choose to live my life that way, but I understand that other people may make other choices.
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