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Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
But if he genuinely feels strongly about the kids not being filmed at all, and following your logic, then wouldn't the same way he halted "Kate Plus 8" which was already prescheduled to be filmed, he'd also halt "ET" whether prescheduled or not?

I seriously don't understand. I don't have a problem with the children being filmed like some people do, but I just don't get why it's ok for him to do it, but not Kate to do it. I like understanding the whys behind peoples behavior so I'm curious about Jon's rationale for this.

Naja, I think I see what you mean and I guess we'll see in the near future if Jon arranges more filming of the children, but I'm almost certain in the clip of ET last night, I saw the children being filmed with Jon. I didn't watch the show, but I did catch the soundbite.

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
Jon hasn't halted the show. He was only legally able to stall filming on their private property until suitable permits are obtained. These permits may have been obtained at this point. His WISH is to have the show halted. His lawyer feels that they have a good shot of fulfilling that wish in the courts. Jon has not been fired from Kate + 8, he is still contractually obligated to fulfill his diminished role in a re-titled TLC program. TLC's contract is with the Gosselin family, Jon included. If TLC fires Jon or if Jon breaches his contract TLC will have to draw up a new contract to continue the show and would need Jon's consent to make a contract with his minor children as long as the joint custody agreement remains in place.
If only Jon and not TLC were involved in the "deal" with entertainment tonight, you would have heard from TLC loud and clear that Jon was in breach of contract due to his TLC exclusivity obligation. AND TMZ would have been all over that one by now... so.. I have doubts that Jon arranged this deal, and rather think that he had no legal recourse but to cooperate with the filming, and that TLC was making the "deal".. not Jon.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
His WISH is to have the show halted.

But if it's his wish to halt the show for the genuine betterment of the children, then logically he should wish to halt all filming of the children, including any other filming of the children with him. If he's filming the kids with other shows because he has to and doesn't like it, he certainly hasn't expressed any disdain towards it when it involves him and what he seems to want to do. But he has expressed disdain with Kate doing it. That's what I'm not getting, why the disdain and attempt to halt when it's Kate and the children, but no expressed contempt or halting attempts when filming involves his ventures of filming the children. It just doesn't make sense to me. I wish someone would ask him this directly, because I really want to know.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Well he didnt mind them filming the children before.... He just wants the lion share of the money.

He will find out the hard way if he tries to start a new show about the kids he will need Kate's permission to do so. That aint gonna happen.

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
Just because he doesn't want the show to continue, doesn't mean he can legally just stop the show, like it or not. He'll need to go to court to stop the show for good, at least until the contract expires anyway. Jon, Kate and all 8 children are still legally bound by contract to continue the show at this time. Jon and his lawyer found a legal loophole with the permit to film on the property thing that allowed for a temporary road block for filming, but until they go to court, as Kate says, "the show will go on"..

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Given that ET didn't actually get in to stream the birthday party, they may very well have heard from TLC, eh?

Jon loves the limelight, and I don't truly think he sees harm in filming the children, he likes the high life too much - a $5000 a month apartment? Goodness. He's not going to make that kind of money, esp when he is also obligated to contribute $7500 a month to contribute to the family finances. Which by the way, isn't much at all.

I just don't find him genuine. The very last straw for me was conveying his daughter's confidences on tv in an interview. Either this is a man without a clue, or one who clearly does not know what it means to "be there for your children."

I"m not saying Kate is the perfect parent. She's clearly a bit OCD, and that can be heck on kids. But she's keeping her head down, which is a very good thing in these situations.

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
I don't think that ET would have heard from TLC at all actually. I think they'd like nothing more than to let a segment like that, if Jon had actually arranged it, air and then finally be able to sue his butt for clear breach of contract..
Why assume that the party didn't stream because TLC didn't allow it? Maybe it didn't stream because Jon and his lawyers didn't allow it..
It's all preceptions and assumptions based on spin...

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I didn't assume anything, Kelli. I just said "may" have heard. It's no different from speculating that TLC would have been happy to let them. In fact, my understanding of such legal matters is that sometimes if you know something is going to happen and you don't act, it lessens your claim later.

But you're right, it's all perceptions and speculation. Nothing wrong with that, IMO. In fact, it's a lot of what we do here at TVCH - offer our own views without possessing all of the facts. If we didn't there wouldn't be much to talk about at all. :-)

FWIW, I don't believe for a minute that he wants the show to stop. He only got righteous about it when he got cut out of it. That's suspect. And he surely doesn't have any trouble with appearing repeatedly himself or sharing his daughter's private confidences on national TV or letting ET buy his daughters' birthday cake for him; and he even took a break from the party itself to come out and talk to the paps. He doesn't appear to be uncomfortable with the constant coverage at all, in any way. Exceptw when he's not the star. JMO, of course.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Karuuna I agree, I don't think it's genuine that he feels filming the kids is now all of a sudden bad for them.

But I just don't get how he can claim that and then appear on tv with the kids himself. I mean, doesn't he know how hypocritical and dishonest he'd come across? Surely he or his lawyer has to have come up with some sort of rationale for this even if it's a lie. And I want to know what that rationale and/or lie is. Because otherwise, he has to know he looks like a big fat hypocritical liar and since they're working on mending his image from exactly that, then I'd think they'd be trying to avoid such a thing, at least I'd think he or his lawyer would be smart enough to know to avoid it and at least have some explanation handy and ready.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 8:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Jon has more than once (way before this recent "cut" of him) stated that he did not want to do the show anymore. Including a time when he was on the couch with Kate back when they were J&K.

Kathyb
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05-17-2006

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 9:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kathyb a private message Print Post    
The only reason Jon was fed up with the show at that time was because he discovered he had no privacy. The paps were watching him like a hawk and spreading his less than stellar behavior all over the tabloids. Prior to that, I heard nothing from Jon wanting to stop the show.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 9:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
At the point when he first mentioned that he did not want to do the show, he did not have any less than stellar behavior. (Aside from letting Kate walk all over him). And naturally the lack of privacy would be the main reason why anyone would want such a show stopped.

Kathyb
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05-17-2006

Friday, October 09, 2009 - 10:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kathyb a private message Print Post    
For someone who wants his privacy, he sure seems to be going about obtaining it in a strange way.

Mictay
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09-29-2006

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 2:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mictay a private message Print Post    
On ET last night they kept showing Jon outside,either talking on his cell or talking to people at the fence signing autographs?????Even if he excused himself to make a phone call why so far away from the house,he had to go all the way down near the fence???Why was he outside talking to people when his kids were inside waiting for him.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 6:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
To quote Yul Brynner in The King And I, 'Tis a puzzlement!'.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Ok if Jon is successful in getting the show cancelled... how is he gonna support 8 kids plus give Kate sposual support?

I think his adultery will not play will with a divorce judge. He is not thinking, he is just angry over what is being said about him in the press. He is not happy with TLC renaming the show. He just aint happy!

Mictay
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09-29-2006

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 7:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mictay a private message Print Post    
I agree Jon seems very angry,and seems like he wants things his way or no way,I don't think they should continue with the show because of everything that has happened but I understand why Kate would want to go on,to support these kids,I enjoyed watching them grow but now I can't seem to even watch the show,i've just been so annoyed at the whole situation,IMO I think both Jon & Kate should just stop giving interviews and let the court decide what should happen from here on out.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 7:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
Isn't Kate the "main" bread winner? What does Jon have to give too her? lol
shouldn't it be the other way around?

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 7:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Yeah, Angel, he and Haley are going to need money. LOL

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Jon is biting the hand that is feeding him. LOL.

I really thought he and his lawyer would go for alimony, since Kate has been the main breadwinner. I also thought that this stopping of TLC was a legal manuvery, not some sign to show Jon is the more concerned parent. I still think it's all about money, but Jon seems to be content to let the money stop rolling in, so I'm more than a bit puzzled.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Currently it has been agreed that Jon would pay $7500 per month toward the common expenses. They wre both being paid by TLC.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Since Jon's lawyer is not licensed to practice in Pennsylvania, he had a lawyer who is licensed vouch for him for this case only. According to TMZ the Pennsylvania lawyer has backed out. I'm sure there are plenty of other lawyers who will step in but at a price.

JMO that the money he removed from the liquid account went to pay his NY lawyer and will never be seen again.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 3:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Too funny, I am listening to him talk to Nancy Grace that the reason he is trying to shut down the show is to return to family values...

He didnt mind them being on the show before.... oh wait it intereferes with his dating...

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 10:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I'm very confused about Kate asking for alimony in the middle of all this mess. She seems very absorbed with money coming to her. I agree with Angelic. If Kate has written the books and traveled and made 'paid' appearances (while Jon stayed home and took care of the children) why wouldn't she have to pay Jon alimony?

I just don't know why she went for it now. The timing is odd.

According to Jon, they should have money to live on if the show stops. However, he might be thinking Kate will share her book and appearance money and I don't think she will. He doesn't seem to know where that money is. Kate might be sorry she made this big stink about the bank account because now ALL their monies will have to be investigated.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 10:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Again, this is just my opinion, but if Jon had left well enough alone, he would have been awarded alimony at the divorce since she was the wage earner in the family. Since he removed all the living expense money, she is seeking money to live on until the courts decide how the children will be supported and by whom. If they cannot continue with the show, then they will both have to find a way to pay for the children's living expenses.

They have an arbitration meeting scheduled but I don't know what good that will do since Jon didn't follow the rules that were set by the last arbitration meeting.

As far as accounting for all the liquid money, Kate's OCD would lead her to keep very accurate records. Somehow Jon doesn't seem to be the type to keep close records. Some people seem to think they have unlimited funds since they've been on television so long. They have expenses that the rest of us don't have such as security and household help. Those things cost a lot and that $230,000 might be all there is other than long term investments that would be shared by both of them and the children's money which neither should touch. Several sites have suggested that Jon is in big do-do over this money. I don't know, but I can't picture Kate squandering money that is meant for living expenses even if some of her living expenses seem extravagant to some of us.