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Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 8:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I think TLC is disgusting in the they've handled the show. From portraying the show as reality but yet having a renewal of vows in Hawaii to not specifically having monies paid to the kids. Of course Jon and kate have a hand in those unfortunate decisions too. There are no good adults in this mess. And I'm still concerned who is looking out for the kids best interests in Jon and Kate's battle over money. The kids deserve their fair share of earnings from doing the show. I hear and read nothing about the kids monetary interests in this mess of a show TLC concocted.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 8:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Blame?

The parents of those 8 kids are responsible for the kids. There is so much press/paps/discussion/debate over jon & kate right now. These parents should see this and the potential damage that any of those kids reading any given magazine article or googled internet site could result in. Does not matter if you are in Jon's camp or Kate's camp. The kids could come across either "camp" and see disparaging remarks about either parent and be very much hurt. And that is the saddest part.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 8:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Cricket, what I am trying to say is that I think that Jon drives her nuts and that is why we see her so stressed out. Sometimes our spouses bring out the worst in us.

Ahh, I see, Kittyab. That could well be true. I also think we will see a calmer Kate when she is in complete control. That's the way she's lived her life and not having control is upsetting her very much.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 8:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I think Jons behaviour got him booted from the show in name only.. It wasn't Kates doing unless maybe you have some proof? Could it have something to do with Hailey calling them (TLC)The Lying Channel or maybe Jons t-shirt that day with Liar written all over it. I think Jons actions got him in trouble on the show. Give credit where credit is due..

Cinnamongirl, while part of this may be true, I also believe Kate was furious if Jon dared to have a girlfriend on the show. She said she didn't 'make' the decision, but she agreed with it. Hmm..I can't help but think TLC came to their so-called decision with a little prodding/yelling from Kate. That's when all this started...a rumor went around saying Hailey might appear on the show when Jon was with the kids.

I haven't seen anything about this $177,000 plus $22,000, but how much has Kate spent in a year? Where is Jon supposed to get his money...this account or some other account. For years, Kate has given him an allowance, so I'm just curious where he was to get his living expenses after they split up???

While Jon did spend foolishly, Kate also got a brand new SUV...not cheap, but Jon didn't go on and on about that.

Lilfair, I completely agree with you. TLC has handled this very badly, as has the darn media.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I do believe I heard Jon say he had taken out the $177,000 over the period of a year or so. But had just taken out the $22,000 which left a balance of around a thousand.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I don't know if this is legal but the judge should freeze all the assets and give each an allowance until the divorce is settled. I think we'll see both parties speed up the process.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I never heard Jon say that, Ophiliasgm. I've watched all his interviews on ET since this happened and he never said it. He maintains he only took the $22,000 (at the time Kate said she left him with zero money to feed her children ...drama) and he showed them his bank records. Surely, someone would have added it up.

However, I posted last week this may be what happened, so that could have been confusing. If he did say it, I'd love to hear what show or article.

I thought this might be what happened....that it came out over the year, but Kate alleged he took a whopping $200,000 in one fell swoop, so what is true? I do believe he never took $200,000. Whether he took monies monthly to live on, I don't know, but that's not what Kate accused him of.

Isn't 1/2 the income his? I don't think Kate gets this yet.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I don't know if this is legal but the judge should freeze all the assets and give each an allowance until the divorce is settled. I think we'll see both parties speed up the process.

Again, I completely agree with you, Lilfair. Just because Kate 'says' she has her 8 children to feed shouldn't mean she has free reign for pedicures, etc., while Jon is scrutinized.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 10:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Kate gets pedicures...Jon goes out partying with younger women...and we are comparing the actions of the two? Sheesh...and you don't have free reign by the way. Reins are the things you have that are used, as in giving a horse free rein to go where they may. Reign has to do with royalty. Now some might say that Kate has reigned over Jon in the past, but lately she certainly hasn't had any success reining him in...LOL!

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Hmm..I can't help but think TLC came to their so-called decision with a little prodding/yelling from Kate

ITA with this. At this point, TLC has become an enabler of Mrs Gosselin's bad behavior. I wouldn't doubt she threatened to end cooperation with TLC's cash cow because she cannot handle adult relationships and, to sooth over the problem, TLC tried to appease her by making the show KATE plus 8

She's very rash and makes irrational, emotional decisions all the time.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Heller says that according to Jon's "recollection" since receiving monetary compensation from TLC for the past four and half years, "he has not withdrawn any money for his own remuneration with the exception of the past several months wherein he believes he only withdrew approximately $175,000 which is less than ten percent of the gross revenues paid the Gosselins…"

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Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
And Kate's side, so we clear:

Kate appeared on NBC's Today for a Monday morning interview and alleged that Jon "took $230,000 of the $231,000 that we have liquid. I have a stack of bills in my purse I can't drop in the mail."

"I have the accounting over the last few months and it's exactly $230,000 beginning on August 10 and his last withdrawal was September 29," she said.



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Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
So, we have Jon's "recollection" versus Kate's accounting statements. He says "past several months", she says "last few months". He says $175,000, she says $230,000.

They are not that far different according to their public statements; altho Jon is using his recollection, while Kate is using the bank statements.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
They don't have a finance manager to pay their bills for them? Seriously? with all that moola?

Mindeegap
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07-20-2009

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mindeegap a private message Print Post    
I can't imagine my husband one day saying, I'm going to go withdraw $200,000 because I've never withdrawn any. Well, together we pay bills, eat and keep a roof over our heads. Vacations we were together eating the same food and doing the same activities. If he wants to golf and I want to get a manicure that's fair. I saw John golfing while Kate got manicures. I saw him eating the same food and taking the same vacations. Why all of a sudden did he have to put it the way he did by saying, "I never took my paycheck in all those years." ?? Yes, you did! You had a family and that's what happens to your paycheck!!

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Kate is OCD. I bet she has an accounting of every penny.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Mindee, I wonder about that too. He apparently thinks because they earned that much, there must be that much around. But there were bills to pay, mortgages, kids expenses - which are substantial for eight children, and of course, both of them had their own things they liked to spend money on.

And let's not forget that about half that money would have gone to taxes, so when he says he only took 10%, he really means he took 20%, after taxes.

Glenrie
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03-24-2006

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Glenrie a private message Print Post    
Also, lets not forget that there is supposed to be an arbitration agreement which forbade taking money for anything except household expenses by Kate without both "adults" signing off.

Mindeegap
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07-20-2009

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mindeegap a private message Print Post    
Twinkie, as she should. I don't think I'm OCD, but I do try to keep track of every penny. I think we all should. I have kids in high school and college and there are and have always been unexpected expenses in raising them that we havent' always kept track of because that's just part of having kids. But I can say for sure that most all of our money has gone towards the caring for and raising our children and no matter what happens I can't imagine my husband or myself putting ourselves before them or questioning that.
I think whoever said Jon was going through an early mid-life crisis, got it right. Maybe having that many kids brings it on earlier. It's just plain selfish to put yourself before the kids the way he has. Standing out there talking to the media at the fence while the party that he cried about getting to attend was going on inside finally sealed it for me. Say what you want about Kate, Jon is the biggest douche ever.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Several years ago Oprah said that she oversaw all of the money that she made and didn't let other people manage it for her. Now I don't know how she does that with all the quadrillions she now makes but she says that she signs the checks!

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Cricket, isnt just everyone upset when things are not in thier control? I am a planner and when things dont go as planned I aint happy either.

My dh has an accounting degree but went into IT. Anywho he tracks every penny we spend. If anyone watches Till Debt Till We Part you would see that is what they recommend. That aint OCD that is just common sense.

Sorry I have no sympathy for Jon at all. Parrading his girl friends around. Forget hurting Kate, what about his kids? They know what he is up to.

I hope the judge nails him good for taking out money that was suppose to go the running of the house.

As for the birthday party... they should has 2 separate birthday events. What child will say no to 2 parties? Its better to have 2 fun parties then 1 miserable one. As a mother myself I can see why Kate asked him to stay away so the girls can have a nice time with her, and later have a nice time with him. She was trying to keep things pleasant for the girls.

I dont see those two burying the hatchet for a few hours so they can have thier one birthday party. Now is a a time for both parties to go to separate corners.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
The money issue is just a symptom of their bad relationship. Money is easy to fight over even when you have a healthy relationship with your spouse. If they weren't publicly fighting over money they'd be publicly fighting about something else. There wasn't a crisis over feeding the kid. It wasn't right for Jon to take the money if there was an agreement about that account.

Which is worse? Kate invoking her kids on the Today Show about their well being, bringing them into the public divorce fight or Jon taking monies from an account that he needed permission to do so.


Both don't sit well with me. But I can more easily accept Jon taking money than Kate bringing the kids into the mix, publicly and crying poor...that didn't sit well with me,at all. Mainly because it sounded so pathetic, weak and like she's was arming herself and using the kids to do it. Even if she couldn't get to cash she certainly could pay almost any bill with a credit card...while the courts take care of the financial issues.

Meanwhile the courts could reprimand Jon. Kate's days of reprimanding him should be done.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 1:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Burying the hatchet...in one another's backs?

Holly
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07-22-2001

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
They both need to stop. Now, before it gets any worse.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, October 12, 2009 - 2:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Also, lets not forget that there is supposed to be an arbitration agreement which forbade taking money for anything except household expenses by Kate without both "adults" signing off.

This is where I get confused. What account was Jon supposed to be taking money from? Did he take it from the wrong account, or is that the only account he was made privy to?

Does anyone know when their hearing will be regarding this?