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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 6:23 pm
Go ahead with the rambling MB, you said it better than I would have. Another thing that is annoying is how Jon keeps referring to Kate's travelling like she has been in the wilds of Africa for years instead of travelling on and off, a few days at a time for a few weeks of a book tour.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 6:54 pm
Yep, Jon is the one who went off to Cannes with girlfriend in tow, went of snowboarding with a different girlfriend in tow, leaving Cara with an unknown babysitter while they went out partying. Maybe it doesn't occur to him that many of Kate's trips and appearances were work and didn't involve doing shooters at bars. He did say that the first time he went out with "friends" (though it didn't seem like he was with previously known people at the bar back when he and Deanna were photographed) was the first time in years.. and maybe lots of husbands go out drinking while wife/kids are at home.. I can only judge from my dad who wan't real happy to go on business trips, but had to at times and I remember him describing his view of being taken out to dinner as "here is this poor guy who would rather be home with his family, stuck taking me out to dinner, when I'd just as soon go back to the hotel and prepare for the meeting the next day" LOL.. not saying Dad was typical but he was married for well over 50 years and I don't remember him partying with friends without my mom and their spouses being there.. they would entertain other couples and play poker or whatever. And mostly if they went out to dinner, they took us along too. I did get to watch the interview finally and Jon was backing down a bit, saying he didn't know if there was an affair, but he was stuck at home and she was out there (and you could almost hear the "it wasn't FAIR" with the visual of stuck out lower trembling lip..) I agree that "abuse" is being rather loosely used in this case.
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 7:11 pm
Kate was and is verbally and emotionally abusive to Jon. What we saw on TV was bad, can you imagine what it was after camera's left the house. I still maintain, that if Jon had spoke to Kate even in the smallest way as we saw Kate speak to Jon, women's groups nationwide would have gone crazy over that behaviour. and rightly so. But, since it is a women doing it, people turned their heads.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 8:07 pm
I agree Sherbabe, if Jon spoke to Kate with the same rudeness, barking orders at her, cutting her down, controlling her, critisizing nearly every thing she did it would be a whole different story. No one would have put up with that. The viewers wouldn't, TLC wouldn't. It's a double standard. Because he's a man we feel he should have stood up for himself, "grown a pair" are words I think I've read here. Because he was immature, a ninth child, she had to yell at him. Yeah, right.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 8:09 pm
I'm with Sher and Brenda as far as that particular double standard goes. I bet people would be encouraging Kate to go out and find a man who would treat her right if the situation were reversed.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 8:57 pm
<100> And I am not the hugest Jon fan, he certainly does keep shooting himself in the foot.
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Moderator
Moderator
06-29-2002
| Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 9:17 pm
Please keep the discussion to the issues and not your issues with other posters or comments about the posts of other posters, or labelling groups of posts or posters. If there IS bashing, please leave that to us to clean up. Thanks!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 5:50 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1gqLERzk_w
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 6:13 am
Annie, that is hilarious!!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 6:32 am
love George Takai!! LOL
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 7:45 am
I'm with Sher and Brenda as far as that particular double standard goes. I bet people would be encouraging Kate to go out and find a man who would treat her right if the situation were reversed. IT's interesting how we try to put thoughts in other people's heads. Actually, I'd be encouraging them to both go to therapy and learn how to negotiate within the relationship. And it wouldn't matter one iota if the roles were reversed. Fact is, both of them had issues in this area, whether it's passive aggressive behavior (which is emotionally immature and horribly aggressive, hence the name) or nagging/critical behavior. I wouldn't dare to "assume" anything about when the cameras are off. That's simply conjecture, and not fact. As we have seen over and over again on reality shows, people rarely censure their behavior after they have been on camera for prolonged periods of time.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 7:59 am
We did kind of get a glimpse that Kate is different when the cams are off. The thing that comes to mind is the episode they had about discipline. They were "time out" parents, never any spanking. The things she said during that ep went out the window when she was unknowingly snapped while swatting the behind of one of the little girls. No way would she do that during filming.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 9:08 am
Good point Naja. The spanking surprised me becuase it's not something that was ever shown on TV or alluded to. I think people do act differently for the cameras, even playing up certain parts of their personality and downplaying others. It probably helps separate things into TV time and private time. That separation is probably a good thing to do mentally. Many of us do it in our jobs. There's our professional persona and then our relaxed home one. I'm not believing that what we see on camera is really how people are all the time at home. We all know how much of reality TV is staged and set up. Part of it is marketing and image.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 11:01 am
To me, swatting and spanking are entirely different things. And one swat is not *necessarily* an indicator of anything else. It was just a glimpse. I believe personally if it was a lot more, there would likely be more than one glimpse. I could be wrong, but I'm not seeing a lot of evidence to jump to any conclusions.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 11:02 am
Spanking your kids on TV is like spanking them in the middle of Walmart. You just don't do it nowdays....though MY mom would have! I can certainly see why they make a concerted effort to keep that off camera. Besides, just because there is a pic of Kate doing it doesn't mean both parents don't agree with it.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 2:53 pm
If every parent who swatted a child's butt was arrested, there would need to be a lot of orphanages built. My mother swatted my butt a few times. It wasn't abuse, it didn't even hurt (well maybe my feelings), but it did get my attention. It wasn't a spanking, it was a swat.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 3:10 pm
I'm a full-fledged Kate supporter, and I found Kathy Griffin's skit hysterical.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 4:28 pm
LOL Kelldogg....I wasn't saying it's wrong!! I'm one of those that totally agree with it. I was just saying that people that swat their kids tend not to advertise it now days because it's such a volitile subject. My point was, if Kate swats, Jon probably does too....or he agrees with it.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 4:38 pm
me too Huk'd!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 4:47 pm
I don't think you can say that either parent agrees with ANYTHING the other one does.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 4:53 pm
Texannie, that YouTube was hilarious! "Of course I love kids. Have you seen my girlfriend???" 
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 4:58 pm
i just died laughing!! i can't take all the credit for posting it. i think it was naja who posted it in kathy griffin's section.
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 5:19 pm
That youtube was great TY for posting.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 5:36 pm
I saw it on the show last night and I was dying I was laughing so hard! Loved it!
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, September 11, 2009 - 6:51 am
I heard on the radio this morning that Jon now wants to introduce Hailey to the kids and Kate is less than thrilled (okay, hysterical is what the radio host said). She asked him to reconsider for the sake of his kids but he thinks it is time. What a tool!
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