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Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 5:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I think last night was the first time Kate showed so many emotions

Yes. And it was also obvious that Jon has checked out emotionally. He was talking about the troubles as if he were ordering a tuna sandwich. It's hard to make it work when one of the participants isn't emotionally available, and in this case I think neither is.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 6:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I had never seen this show until this weekend when I watched about 1/2 of the marathon. What really struck me was the change in Kate around Season 4 (when they got the newest house w/solar panels and all that wooded acreage!) The biggest change I observed was how she interacted with the kids after Jon stayed home and she was galivanting--she was dismissive of them, sometimes mean in how she spoke to them, and certainly gave me the impression that she could hardly bother with it all at home. That was when she also had the "invisible nanny", stating they were keeping the person anonymous for security reasons, then in another breath claiming they would NEVER have a Nanny--only part-time help. Right! She had started travelling a lot at that time and from what I could gather, had become a "star". So I don't get how everyone thinks she's such a good mother and loves those kids so much--clearly, she pushed them aside when she had the opportunity to build a career for herself and embrace "stardom".

IMO, Jon seems to have more genuine (genuine being the keyword here) love for the children and seems to just enjoy them more. I honestly didn't get much of a sincerity vibe from her at all in the whole last season but especially on last night's show. Even the birthday party, which she was all gaga over during her pre-show interviews, rattling on about what a milestone it was etc., seemed to be a very, very staged event for the cameras and the show. She gave me the impression that it was just this pain in the ass DUTY she had to do. And how many times did she have to point out that she was left to do it all by herself (right, with the help of what, 15 or so people!?!) It was obvious that it couldn't end fast enough for her, and she made several comments to that end, claiming it had been over scheduled etc. and all the poor kids attending seemed to be rushed through the "planned events". I understand it was an awkward time for her and Jon but surely she could have refused to hold the party,which she felt was such an important milestone in the kids' lives, on TV and just had a private, sincere party for them. It just left me with a very bad taste in my mouth, and I agree with the people who say Jon needs to get a good lawyer if he wants to maintain any say in his kids' lives. It's a shame how money and "fame" can destroy so much.

Schoolmarm
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02-18-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 7:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Schoolmarm a private message Print Post    
Take a look at the past couple of seasons and their body language on the interview couch. Kate is usually as far away as she can get from Jon. I've always termed this the "great divide". He may have his arm on the back of the couch, but she is usually clinging to the arm and as far away as she can be.

On last nights episode, Jon said that he had to go back to the house to get Kate's cell phone and then back again to get the birthday cakes. I wonder if this "helplessness" on Kate's part was her way of keeping Jon out of the party.

I thought that Kate had softened a little bit, but she has miles to go before her marriage can be repaired. I think that her treatment of Jon has been deplorable for the past few seasons. With this kind of treatment, it would be very easy to "check out."

I think that homeschooling (with Kate) is the LAST thing that the kids need.

I hope that they get the help that they need.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 7:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Holly, just one point since you say you hadn't watched the show before. Kate/Jon have always made it very clear that they have two parties every year. One for just themselves/family and a second one meant for the cameras. They do not allow any filming of their private party. So when you say it looked staged, Kate would agree and tell you that is intentional.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 7:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Has kate actually said she wants to homeschool them or is this one of those 'i think i read somewhere' kind of things?
as to filming if they go to school, kate said they only film 3 days a week. so i don't think it would be necessary to homeschool them just for shooting sake.
mady has walked away from family pictures, refused to cooperate in many things, so i dont' think her behavior should be considered telling.
i do think it's interesting how we all see the same show, but come away with so many different perceptions.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I think you mean it shouldn't, right Tex?

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
yep, just read my typo and edited it.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 8:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
I understand it was an awkward time for her and Jon

I have been cheated on, and I can tell you there is NO way I could "do" a show for TV a few weeks later and be all fun and happy. (not saying that Jon did in fact cheat but the implication is there) And to have the papparazzi every step of the way...I think 'awkward' would be a huge understatement. I think she did very well under the circumstances..

I think shes a great mom, certainly has her issues, as we all do... and Jon is a great dad..

I wonder who was looking after the kids while Kate was working across the country (or as some would say...chasing stardom) and Jon was out late at the bars?

Goldsam
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07-21-2005

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 8:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goldsam a private message Print Post    
I watched with interest last night and feel that this marriage could be saved if they wanted to...but they definitely have to prioritize and get their private life back to private.
Over the past few years I have seen Kate belittle Jon repeatedly and treat him with disrespect, cutting him off, name calling, bossing him around. I am not condoning him stepping away from the marriage if he in fact did but no man (or woman) needs to spend their lives feeling bullied by someone who is supposed to be a partner. Also, in my opinion, I have observed Jon being more loving towards the children. As far as the marriage is concerned, it would appear that he has emotionally checked out, but my question is, did Kate ever emotionally check in to the marriage. Some are saying it has nothing to do with the show, but it definitely smells to me like the price of fame. Choices count and they both need to make some better choices if they want this to work.
Interestingly enough - last night I never heard Jon cut Kate down in the interviews, but she definitely took some shots at him.
A problem arises in marriages because people are more than willing to take the "better" times but not so willing to deal with the "worse" times. It sounded to me like Kate was ready to call herself another statistic in the divorce rate of parents of multiples.

I hope they can find some peace.

Christiii
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07-07-2005

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Christiii a private message Print Post    
I wonder if she was really "cheated on" tho. I know Jon was/is?? with that 23 year old, but Kate's brother in an interview said that Kate wentto Jon 6 months ago and said "its over", she said he can see who ever he wants, he just has to be there for the show. The brother also said that Jon seemed to be really upset at the time, and there was talk of her being very close to her boyguard before Jon did anything.
I may ave not believed that her brother really did say that if I read it, but it was actually a taped interview online. Pretty interesting and revealing stuff...
Im not siding with either one, but when I heard Jon had an affair I thought he was a complete tool, until I heard other aspects of the story.
Who knows what really is true, but Kate doesnt seem to be coming off as the poor wifey at home with the kids while Jon runs around on her.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Well I for one won't watch anymore. I don't need to watch a trainwreck...saw this in my own parents marriage and now in my granddaughters.

Bring on Big Brother!!

Naja
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06-28-2003

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Count me as one of those people that thought the previews were just a bait and switch. I was shocked when it turned out to be a show practically confirming all the rumors except for the actual cheating. It truly felt like Jon was just showing up for the filming.


On a lighter note...That was one fat rabbit! LOL

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Naja, that rabbit killed me! My male rabbit is huge and yet he would look starved next to that rabbit. And I couldn't believe how it just lay there and let the kids touch it. Amazing.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
It is interesting the Kate's brother said 6 months ago and Kate also said she's been dealing with this for 6 months.

I think Kate is probably most angry that Jon's actions may derail the gravy train she is on. It's like she can't even see that this new fame and fortune is not "just for the kids", but that it's something that she desires for _herself_.

I'm not surprised Jon would hold back, reveal little emotion to the cameras. He doesn't want them there. Now whether he does talk to Kate is a whole other story. I really can't see her listening to him. When is the last time she ever really listened to him?? Without marriage counseling I don't think they stand a chance.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Jon got a brand new, very undaddy-like sports car out of the "gravy-train". One that he didn't waste any time showing off to a young girl in a bar.

Yep, it's all Kate's fault. Damn her for not wanting to let go of the trappings of fame for herself.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
"I think that homeschooling (with Kate) is the LAST thing that the kids need."

I know it is not funny, but I am laughing at the above comment... No way Kate will home school these kids;she would go stir crazy the way other parents would as well. I did notice that Kate mentioned taking the kids by herself;Jon did the same thing last semester when they went to the vet to pick up the dog. I found it equally annoying with both;they are truly so very blessed.There is no way they could not have friends not help them with all the kids on errands like that.No pity party here.
I think I have had Jon and Kate up to my eyes balls;I am so sick of hearing about them. While I am sure they are good parents the show has gone to Kate's head. Let's hope that she limits the traveling since she does have so many children who need her;they are her #1 career obligation.
And then there is Jon.........He looked sleepy or just a little laid back or "loopy" to me. Oh how I wish he could find his niche in life.I could see him perhaps doing motivational < limited travel >speaking to male based groups; well perhaps I could have seen him doing that before all the current woes began. This really needs to be the last year of this show even though I think these kids are very cute.

My next comment is a sensitive question but I am really curious as to whether or not people would watch if these kids were not racially mixed ?
Would the draw/interest be the same ? And once the "little kids get to say age 11 will the "cute " factor still be as potent ?
I pass on the Duggars since to me it is ridiculous to have that many kids. I also pass on Table for ......due to the fact that after watching Jon & Kate I just decided I was "kidded" out.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
kate is now making a living as an author and motivational speaker, just like many former athletes, presidents, and business professionals. she can make a better living at it than as a nurse. why is it wrong to want to provide better for your family?
I liked how Jon just became even more passive aggressive when asked how he would feel if he was the one out speaking and writing books. His ego is horribly bruised, but you know what...man up!! If you don't like your situation, change it! He is not trapped, forced to stay at home while Kate travels.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I am SO in tune with Texannie about this show.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
LOL..yep..come sit on this lonely bench with me Huk'd!

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 10:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Oh, I want on that bench, please!!!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
skoots over

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I think Jon doesn't know what he wants to do, but it sounds like he's tired of playing housewife while Kate is off on publicity gigs. And they way Kate goes on and on about how it's all "for the kids" and then rolls her eyes when Jon says he quit his job to stay home "for the kids" shows that she just doesn't get that he's not happy with the choices she's made for him. Now his way of going about making it known to her that he's not happy are not ideal by any means. Running around with 20-somethings is probably not the best choice. Finding a career or hobby that makes him happy is probably a better start.

Oh, an I have no illusions that he'd happily give up his little sports car. But the lure of fame has not bitten him like it has Kate. I think he could give up the fancy house and car and embrace simplicity long before Kate could. Kate has been bitten by the bug and can't even see that this career is as much for her as it is "for the kids".

Naja
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06-28-2003

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
That is so how I see it Brenda.

Also, in response to Jon having a choice not to be a house husband...Well, he really doesn't have a choice. If you have watched this show any amount of time, Kate refuses to leave the kids in babysitter's care without 1 of them being home. It's her rule. A babysitter is only a helper, not the replacement. They no longer have friends and family close enough (both physically and emotionally) to help with care in order both of them to be gone at the same time. So Jon has NO choice but to be a house husband when Kate is gone on her travels.

Willwillbee
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09-20-2001

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willwillbee a private message Print Post    
I WANT TO GIVE KATE A GREAT BIG HUG - my heart breaks for her to have to deal with the media during a troubling time. All my best wishes and prayers to her and her family that they weather this storm and become stronger for it.

(Sorry don't know how to contact her but want to get that out into the universe.)

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 10:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Come sit with me Naja. :-)

See, the thing is, that Kate doesn't have to deal with the media. She chooses to! She could say "no comment, please respect my family's privacy at this time." But with the lure of the camera, she just can't force herself to do that.

And yes, she has dictated that Jon has to stay with the kids. Will talk about how one is always home with them. With her irregular schedule I don't think she'd let Jon have a real job. I think she needs to get over her "no nanny" issues. A rose by any other name! Their "helpers" or babysitters or whatever she wants to call them are nannies. And having a consistent nanny may be the best thing for those kids right now.

Jon is like the rebellious teen right now. Trying to get out from under the thumb hold.