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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:02 pm
I've been doing some thinking. Scary, I know. *L* No links to anything, this is just me THINKING out loud! My opinion. Not the truth, not false. Just a thought. Based on things the tabloids have said. So maybe Kate DID tell him it was over - or it was mutual, doesn't really matter. Jon wanted out but Kate said no we have to do the show for the kids sake. Jon put up with it some, then said no I want out. She said no. So he starts going out in public because he knew it would be brought to an end once the tabloids caught wind of it. Jon is very passive aggressive, and that would be a very passive aggressive way to end a marriage! If so, Kate should say BYE BYE Jon don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out! Now that I think if it, Kate HAS basically said that. Again I'm just thinking out loud, basing things on what the tabloids have said. There are NO LINKS whatsoever!
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:05 pm
As much as I'm on team Kate, I'd rather see Jon with the kids over the Duggers. IT WAS JUST A JOKE!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:09 pm
Ok I couldn't help myself I went to watch the 2nd part of the video and there are the lowlights of that Korean dinner I mentioned! I swear watching this is blowing up my blood pressure. The clip after the dinner is very telling. She makes it clear she wants Jon to just ask her what SHE wants. So that is her idea of how to fix what is wrong per her. Okey doke.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:09 pm
Serate, Maybe that's how Letterman felt...LOL
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:11 pm
Serate, Maybe that's how Letterman felt...LOL I'm lost, but then I usually am. *L*
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:30 pm
If Jon has participated more he would have known not to use the pink scrunchies? Seriously?! When I look at Kate I see someone who clearly has to have things done her way and truely believes if she wants it done right, she has to do it herself. Part of coparenting is sometimes letting the other person do it their way, just so it gets done. If is always has to be done your way, the "right" way, then I don't think you get to complain that you aren't getting enough help. Kate would do herself a huge favor if she learned to let go a bit.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:35 pm
If is always has to be done your way, the "right" way, then I don't think you get to complain that you aren't getting enough help. Kate would do herself a huge favor if she learned to let go a bit. I learned long ago I really did NOT want anybody's help cleaning the kitchen. I didn't like the way hubby did things, I really didn't like the way the kids did things, esp rinsing the dishes. Every now and then I catch myself getting grumpy cuz I'm the only one that cleans the kitchen and does the dishes, then I remind myself that it's the way I wanted it. I HATE the way my hubby folds towels, but I just kiss him sweetly and say thank you dear.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:40 pm
I HATE the way my hubby folds towels, but I just kiss him sweetly and say thank you dear. That's exactly how it is my house, Serate. I hate the way he folds things and also how he loads the dishwasher, but I sure am glad he is willing to do it at all... so I don't give him any flack about it. I mean really, so what if its not done my way as long as it gets done?
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:47 pm
Many children and some adults purposely do a task wrong so that they won't be asked to do it again. Jon is passive-agressive and also lazy. This could be his MO in order to not have to do things he doesn't want to do. When he has a task he likes, he has no problem doing it perfectly. He only "messes up" on tasks he doesn't like.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:51 pm
No wonder they kept promoting Crooked Houses. Those cute lil things are 7 grand EACH! But sure looks like the product placement paid off. This article shows what a HUGE business Jon and Kate now are. Wonder how much more free stuff will be thrown at them, and how much importance they place on "stuff" instead of family. Kind of ironic. I think back to the episode where Jon held back tears saying he wanted to hang on to stuff that his Dad gave him cause it kills him to throw it out. And Kate just sniped how stuff was stuff and it should be tossed. That one really killed me. Funny how some stuff she loves/wants and some should just be tossed. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=7907245&page=1
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:52 pm
I also think that it is both their faults. However, do we think John was totally oblivious to the way Kate needed to have things done? Do we think that maybe he did these things to get a rise out of her so she would look bad on camera and so he could come out smelling like a rose? Maybe.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:56 pm
Wonder how much more free stuff will be thrown at them, and how much importance they place on "stuff" instead of family. I don't have any problems with the free stuff except the same problem I have with shows like Extreme Home Makeover. I always think, if they gave the family a little less - but still more than they had - how many more families could be helped? BUT it's the shows'/advertisers' money, so their choice what to do with it.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 1:03 pm
Serate my concern isn't the stuff. As any of my friends will tell you, I'm a BIG TIME stuff person/pack rat. I totally own it. It's part of why I sooo got why Jon desperately wanted to hang on to anything and everything his now dead Dad gave him. What I question is what is the price of the stuff to the Gosselin family?? I'm thinking it may have been quite high. I don't want to be accused of Kate bashing, but I don't respect her choices. Jon was willing and wanted to walk away from the show and she wouldn't even discuss or consider it. So she now can get more stuff, but is it worth the trade off? It may have been too late regardless, but I do wonder what might have been if at the end of last season they at least took a break, went to counseling and focused on them as a family and as a couple, not focusing on the show and the stuff. That is what I meant. I also wonder how entitled the kids will feel as they grow up. Would be nice if we saw them learning to share some of what they have been blessed with, maybe w/kids in the community who have less etc. Hard to believe kids in a family of 8 would grow up with issues of being spoiled, but I have some concerns about that.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 1:11 pm
PS FWIW forgot to mention I think the Crooked Houses are awesome. I LOVED how all the kids were using their imaginations and coming up w/full stories they were playing out. I think that's really important and helps for developing as a creative person for later in life. This is a perk I'm really glad the kids got, to be honest. So my comments are just a reflection on the big picture of the lives they are living and the choices. I don't want to sound like a total grump about this so thought I'd clarify.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 1:16 pm
I have to admit it's strange for me to see kids get such expensive things. Heck, when I was little we weren't even allowed to get a balloon at the fair.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 1:18 pm
Lurk I in NO way thought you sounded like a grump, total or partial! I thought the houses were awesome! But when I found out $7,000? My hubby could make a playhouse for alot less. Probably bigger too.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 1:35 pm
That is how the Crooked House guys got started, building them for their own kids because they couldn't find what they wanted for them and wanted a cartoonish look. They really are cute! I saw a link from the AOL front page that has a great story about the Crooked Houses.. GREAT publicity for them. For companies like that, or services or tv shows or resorts.. product placments on shows can be an amazing boost.. worth far more than the price of the "donated" item. I did think it was nice that Kate re-donated her pink scooter to a charity that could then make money on the item.. so the Chopper boys got publicity for their show but the charity also got something too. Locally here, in Newport Beach, they have a charity even where fabulous little playhouses are donated and then people make bids, their kids get the houses and the charity (I think it is a hospital) gets the money. Some of them are quite pricey. Nintendo has donated Wiis to various famlies.. I know the Gosselins got one and so did the Roloffs and I'm sure they sold units based on people seeing them and the fun the familes were having with them.. I remember it gave Matt Roloff a way to compete with even his tallest children on a somewhat even playing ground.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 1:43 pm
I went to the Crooked House site and the houses went for between $1500 to $4500 each.
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 1:49 pm
I just watched the youtubes that were linked and noticed that often times when Kate was berating Jon in the kitchen area while he was getting ready to feed him , well on several occasions some of the kids mad faces towards Kate as if to say you are mean leave daddy alone. That is very telling. Even at age 4 the kids realized mom was a big bully.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 2:00 pm
Ophilias if you go to the link I posted about the story re; Crooked Houses and the Gosselin's, the owner of the company said the homes we saw on the show were "at least $7,000 apiece." So there are cheaper (if you can call that cheaper lol) models, but the ones they got were 7 grand. And I noticed unassembled delivery was many hundreds. YIKES! Awww Serate, thanks hun! Tone is so dang hard online. Glad to hear you weren't hearing how I wasn't saying it tehehe!! Mgm, those YouTubes sure are telling aren't they? I haven't made it through all of them, but each one sort of spotlights something I think Jon and Kate should have addressed and discussed before it got to this point. I'd love to show her the kitchen ones then ask how she would expect him to go in the kitchen more. I'm sure I'd just be yelled at for asking though 
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 2:10 pm
ha - about the doing it wrong on purpose - that's an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond!! I also cop to "hoarding stuff" at times! Then I go into a throw it all away mode!! I figure I can be controlling at times, so when I had my first born, gave the baby to dh said he needed a bath, and I was going shopping! (before cell phones too!!) he gagged - but I knew in my heart of hearts he loved the baby and would do a great job (he did have younger sisters to practice on - he was 12 when they were born!) So for me different was ok - of course I had to leave so I couldnt comment on his way!! ;) and I still would like to know how the Duggers get such compliance out of those kids!
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 2:18 pm
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/jon-&-kate-plus-8-star-jon-gosselin-i-am-hurt-by-kate-statement-9169.php Jon makes a statement about Kate's filing of divorce papers. No mention of his girlfriend being there?
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 2:21 pm
Reader: when my dd was born, DH had never even held a baby as far as I know. In the hospital I handed him a diaper and said, 'don't drop her' and made him do the first one. Even if he did it wrong, I wasn't going to say a word. I figured if he did it wrong the first time and I did it right the second time, the third time he'd do it right too. He did.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 2:22 pm
Honestly, it just sounds like Kate worded it strangely and didn't mean he did something that particular weekend to force her to file for divorce. She made her choice that weekend about things in the recent past is probably how she meant it.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 2:22 pm
From Lilfair's link above In addition, Jon had also used the session to explain what happened during a Saturday incident in which he was seen taking his son Aeden -- one of the couple's 5-year-old sextuplets -- to a local hospital's emergency room. "He's good [now]," he said. "He just bumped his head and it was deep and they had to glue it back together... he was just running in the house and he ran into a corner." OMG that is SO me! Don't know HOW many times I did that when I was younger. Just last week ran into the door and split my chin open! Got the scars to prove it!
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