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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 2:35 pm
Jon was willing and wanted to walk away from the show and she wouldn't even discuss or consider it. My personal opinion is that Jon wanted to walk away from the marriage but didn't think he could do it as long as the show was on TV, so he wanted the show to end. Why would he agree to continue the show, with the new GF in tow, if he REALLY wanted to get away from it? Why is he eagerly spending the money from the show and getting all kinds of freebies if he REALLY wants to end it?
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 2:48 pm
Yeah, yeah.... Everything must be Kate's fault according to the majority here! Kate should be crushed, she is only money, she never shows motherly love but for the cameras,(<<- Appearantly many tvchers were there when cameras weren't?!?) Jon is sad but Kate is faking(<<-Appearantly many tvchers know how to do mind-reading.), Jon was shown with many seemingly steppin-out caps, but since aunt Jodi "whispered" the gospel that Jon told her Kate maybe cheating with the body guard, it MUST be TRUE!..... Let's start a petition to TLC, get rid of Kate, call the show JON & DATE plus 8. Let's crush Kate big time, god knows she desrves it!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:07 pm
Jon 'filed' for divorce when he started up with other women.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:07 pm
.... No nannies, just the kids and me. In fact, with the exception of Aaden's visit to the doctor, I couldn't have imagined a better way to spend Fathers Day weekend.~~ Snip of Jon's statement from link Lilfair gave up thread. No nannies? But someone must have been there. Or else Jon would have had been captured with all eight in tow to the ER. No nannies? If that's true I am left to my own imaginations....
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:07 pm
Yeah, yeah.... Everything must be Kate's fault according to the majority here! Seems to me there are just as many posts against Jon as their are against Kate. Or maybe it's cuz I can't stand either Jon OR Kate that it seems that way to me.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:13 pm
I noticed there are ugly moments from other seasons too. Not sure how much more I can take right now, but I do think this is the most telling vids I've seen about their problems, just by viewing their actions and interactions. Here's a link for all that poster has up; http://tinyurl.com/lctlsn And if I haven't overdosed on this family yet, I got curious and decided to search for season 1. What I stumbled on was the first documentary done about them, that the show great out of. Amazingly I clearly remember watching this when it aired. It was almost like watching a totally different couple. Especially Kate. Her demeanor and tone is a totally different person. I liked this one far more. They discuss their differences but it felt far more good natured and flexible on both sides. Here's a link if anyone wants to see; http://tinyurl.com/meqhda BTW went to the link Lilfair posted and noticed another story. Seems TLC is not changing the shows name and is doing damage control in overdrive; http://tinyurl.com/l3w9w5 Onlyhuman, hard to say if your guesswork has any truth in it. I'm not so sure, especially since the timing would be right around when they both say things got really bad. And since neither one implied at that time that Jon just wanted out, not sure I can see that. But unless either of them give more details, we have no way to know beyond our own opinions. Also he never said he was continuing the show w/the new girlfriend nor did he say there IS a new gf. That is just gossip from a gossip rag. Time will tell if there is any veracity or not, but I'm not buying that at all. I'm sure both Jon and Kate have plenty of blame to share in this. Personally I wish neither would continue the show ONLY cause I think that's what's best for the kids, and that's who I care about most. But I will question how anyone can watch that first YouTube link I posted and not feel that Kate's mouth is a primary cause of problems. Is the way she speaks to and about Jon ok?? Not in my book. His passive/agressive crap doesn't help, but to me she is driving this bus of nastiness and I think he only returns fire, he doesn't start the bs.
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Lori32
Member
07-04-2008
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:29 pm
Chy............ Amen
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:44 pm
Chy, if a regular parent is alone with their kids and one hurts themselves and needs to go to the MD, I know all my friends logically would then call someone to come watch their other kids. I myself have been on that end of the call, and I'm no nanny. Is it out of the ream of logic and possibility Jon did the same thing without there being some big mystery going on???? And to be honest, be it Jon or Kate I think it rather unfair to put them under this big of a microscope. They are just human. Have we all forgotten that??
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:44 pm
Lurk the BEST news I've heard out of all of this is from your last link: TLC ....... , didn't film kids learning of split
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:49 pm
See, that's the thing Lurk..."We" didn't put them under a microscope. They did that themselves.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:53 pm
Thank you, Lurknomore, I haven't seen anything other than rumor that a girlfriend was at the house or that Jon has a girlfriend.
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:57 pm
It's not only on this site but all over the internet and the TV commentators that are mostly ridiculing Kate. Overwhelmingly in public forums it's Kate that gets most of the negative comments. She's just so nasty towards Jon that it's easy to blame her for all the faults in the marriage, knee jerk reactions to her personality. She's not very likable. But NO ONE knows what the truth is in regard to the demise of the marriage. It just goes to show even if you are an innocent party, if you go around berating people especially your own husband in a public forum (tv show) people will assume you are nasty in all aspects of your life and you'll get beat up for it. There isn't too much bad mouthing of Jon besides saying he should have divorced her before he found a girlfriend. There is little dispute that he's been a hands on dad and the kids adore him. So I guess if you act like a grown up brat and are nasty toward your husband on TV you will have very few fans.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 4:00 pm
I really don't know of any man that has waited for the final divorce decree to get a girlfriend. (My brother and step-son included) I really don't. And if Kate really said to him that's it is over 6 MONTHS ago (7 now)...I say he had every right to go find a new love.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 4:16 pm
Hear, hear, Naja ;)
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 4:28 pm
Some of my divorced girl friends had affairs with their lawyers while the proceedings were going on. Yup it's hard to be alone when you hate the person you married. I think Kate hates Jon.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 4:43 pm
I'm with you guys. I was VERY relieved to hear TLC wasn't filming the kids. One good thing is they know how many viewers are ready to pounce on them and I think they will do all they can to appear to be making the right moves while still trying to hang on to their 10+ million viewers. Naja, you are of course right. They brought the microscope in initially. But I honestly don't believe they had any clue it would end up being this Paparazzi endless nightmare it is now. I think that opens up the broader debate of where is the line Paps shouldn't cross etc. And for that matter us fans. The Paps won't show any mercy or respect, but I would hope we as viewers could set some levels we won't go beneath, and try to not buy into the BS they will be selling us. So much as I am up for factual banter, I for one plan to set my personal standards higher and not buy into believing or SPREADING rumors. IE if Jon or Kate says they are seeing someone, then that's a fair topic for discussion. If the NY News says a "source" says one of them is doing yadda yadda, then I will have no part of it. Hopefully some others will share my view and standards. I'm sick of this gossip driven news society in general. I loved when Jon said how soldiers are dying in Iraq and all the press cares about is what he had for lunch. That would make me insane, and I can see where it would and should bug him too. When did crap like this become main stream news stories and why in the world are we allowing it? I would love the Jon and Kate's, the Paris Hiltons, and Lindsay Lohan's to no longer be considered serious news. JMHO FWIW
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 4:45 pm
It's an interesting read. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/arts/television/24divorce.html?em
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 4:54 pm
Mgr, true that was interesting (and nice to see the NY Times agrees with my opinion that Kate is trying to come across as sympathetic and how much of a change that is). But mostly it serves as a very large exclamation mark on my previous post. A huge feature article in the NY Times?? Didn't they used to focus on hard news?? Not to many years ago at best this would have been a short paragraph on the Arts and Entertainment pages. Sad state of the industry IMHO
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Crzndeb
Member
07-26-2004
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:15 pm
If people quit posting on message boards, quit watching the shows, quit buying the magazines, then this gossip driven news society and hearsay will cease. I don't post on this thread, but I did notice this thread has almost 2400 posts. What does that say? We can only make a change by making a change in our own house. This is my first and last post here.
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:16 pm
Even though, most of the time, I see Kate as emotionally stunted, I did feel I saw genuine remorse and sadness from Kate. I'm not a Kate fan, but I got it when she said she didn't want her children to be a statistic, "my parents divorced when I was --- fill in the blanks". She didn't want her children to have the burden of so many children today coming from a divorced family, having to divide up holidays, playing the "game", it's difficult and stressful for the kids, and I really feel Kate didn't want her children to experience this. From Jon, concern for this part of the termination of the marriage, not so much. I think the guy is too excited to be out from under Kate and the demands of so many children, ( and the show). He's got his freedom and enough money to do pretty much what he wants. I do think Kate is a contol freak, but I think Jon is passive-aggressive. Kate said the termination of their marriage would have probably happened without the show, but I disagree, as I've stated previously, I think watching how both looked on the show trumpeted in the end to their marriage. Both looked pretty bad for very different reasons, I can't imagine a marriage surviving watching all the haranguing on Kate's side, and the sighs, eye rolling, giving in on Jon's side. Something had to give. I think Jon fell out of love first, but stayed out of obligation, then the feelings turned to resentment, now I think they almost border on extreme dislike. Kate's a little harder to read, I think any passion was long gone, but Jon was necessary for her perfect, all in order world. Perhaps Kate lost all respect for Jon because she COULD so easily boss him around, yet I still feel they married each other because Jon felt comfortable turning the reins over to Kate, and Kate loves having the reins. It just went too far and was all too public. This is a famiy tragedy, and so sad for all.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:17 pm
This is a tv show discussion board. Jon and Kate have a TV show. Just sayin'.
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Nhmomof3
Member
06-23-2009
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:17 pm
Chy-ITA Jon is a big boy. Jon could've stood up on his own to feet without running away but he chose to run. He chose to put his needs first instead of trying to work it out. I don't think Kate is completely innocent but I think Jon needs to take some responsibilty too. There was a lot of disrespect from both of them but I just can't believe people are acting like Kate deserved this. Does anyone else feel they are way to involved in the lives of these people? I think I'm more upset with myself for even caring about any of this but I can't help it Ok, this was my first post so be easy on me.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:25 pm
Nh, since the family says Kate is the one who refused any counseling, not sure how that can be Jon's choice. I don't so much think she deserved it as she was the main cause of it. There's a difference. As for more we are all speculation. But beyond that welcome to the board! And Naja ITA. I think it's just setting personal boundaries and deciding how low we want to go.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:36 pm
Welcome to posting, Nhmomof3! I think it would be hard to see the personal lives of these people over the years and not become involved.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:45 pm
I don't see how dissecting Jon and Kate's activities are any different that those on Big Brother, Survivor, TAR, etc. The kids, on the other hand, are innocent and had no choice but to be on TV. I know I was at first guilty of harping about Mady's behavior then I got to thinking it's not really HER fault that her parents ALLOW her to act the way she does. Cara and Mady seem to have some control over how much they are on this past year, but there are times I do think they have been forced to participate.
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