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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 11:13 am
"My problem with Jerry winning is that older men have less muscle mass than younger men therefore a biological if not unfair advantage." Therefore their metabolism would not be as high and they would need to consume less calories than a younger man with more muscle mass. "Jerry did not seem at all "with it." He looked confused and dazed. It may have been the effect of the large crowd all cheering for him, or it may have been a more serious cognitive problem. Does anyone know if too much diet and exercise can have that effect?" I thought he seemed alive, excited, and with it! Diet and exercise should have positive effects on cognition/mentation. "Also, Diabetes can cause metabolic problems in some, and make it very difficult to keep weight on." Actually, adult onset diabetes usually has the opposite effect...harder to lose weight.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 1:08 pm
Boberg, I was just watching my local news (on the dvr.. ) so no link that I know of.. I was stunned and clearly Jillian was enjoying the heck out of finally busting Sione and Filipe on their childish rule breaking. NO WONDER they had such a reaction to her, she had busted them. I don't see anything on Youtube, but maybe it will come up in other interviews. ========== Jerry did seem "off" to me.. sort of the affect I see in the really older men at the senior center, not the 64 year olds and he was like the energizer bunny with all the arm waving.. I noticed several times Estella gave him stern "looks" and told him to stop it, but it didn't last long. It was cute in a way, but a little worriesome in another. My dad at 80 was much more alert seeming. What Slinkydog said.. I agree. BL feeds into winners who go beyond what is really healthy.. and sure, Helen can just put on some weight and be healthy, IF she can get into the mode of proper nutrition. I know that Jill was homing in on Tara's tendency to overdo it, but Helen, as she says, has an addictive personality.. cigs, alcohol and now it seems, per Helen's own statement, it could be over-exercise. Then we have Sione and Filipe setting themselve up as the Tongan Exercise gurus but it comes out that they binged, cheated, etc, ON the ranch and clearly they haven't progressed much since leaving the ranch and unlike Helen or Jerry, they still need to lose more. I was much more pleased with Alli and Michelle's wins, heck, even Heba.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 1:15 pm
Funny how we see things differently based on our own experiences. Near the beginning of the show, the host (UGH, can't get her name) asked Jerry something and he looked confused and Estelle repeated it. I got the impression in that moment that he had a hearing problem. My FIL does as well and I know it kills him to be in a noisy room because the hearing aid magnifies the background noise if he doesn't know someone is talking to him he often looks around lost trying to catch the conversation and then single out that from the surrounding sound. His balance can be thrown off so badly by a loud din that it makes him nauseous. Interesting about the cousins.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 1:18 pm
That would be a good thing to find out.. if Jerry is hearing impaired (especially in a loud venue like that. But he still LOOKED more like 80 than64 to me, too.
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 1:22 pm
I thought many of the contestants were just way over the top in their reactions last night. I assume they are instructed to act that way, and I thought Jerry was just doing his part. It did not occur to me that he seemed any more "off" than at least half of the others.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 1:22 pm
It's funny/sad how my impression changed as the season progressed. All of these contestants seemed so wonderful at first after the prior season but ultimately I think that the winners last season are better examples of what a good healthy diet and exercise is supposed to achieve. I am pretty disappointed that neither Mike nor Tara was able to win as I think they would be better representatives of what the show should be about. Unfortunately, I think Helen represents what the show is about and I'm not sure it's a good thing (excessively losing weight). And Sione and Filipe's actions - very disappointing.
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 1:26 pm
Did Mandy gain weight since leaving campus? Nevermind, I just figured out Seamonkey's chart.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 1:47 pm
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Biggest-Loser-Season-1006038.aspx TV Guide: Helen wasn't worried Helen Phillips knows age is nothing but a number. The 48-year-old mother from Michigan beat out 19-year-old Mike Morelli and 24-year-old Tara Costa to take home the grand prize on The Biggest Loser: Couples. The five-foot-six-inch Phillips, who went from a size 22 to a 2, lost more than half her body weight as she slimmed down to a svelte 117 pounds. She talked with TVGuide.com about her weight-loss secrets, how she plans to maintain her current frame, and why she calls her daughter and Biggest Loser partner Shanon a "rock star." TVGuide.com: Congratulations on winning. How do you feel? Helen Phillips: I feel wonderful. I feel like a winner. TVGuide.com: How did you lose so much weight at home? Phillips: I ended up finding a trainer, actually three trainers, and I went back to the old-school type of training [like] running up and down bleacher stairs. I was on such a strict regimen, I would get up at 4:30 every morning, hit the gym [for] two hours in the morning, two hours in the afternoon, and two hours in the evening. In between, of course, plenty of good food and rest. So it paid off. TVGuide.com: Were you working at all? Phillips: No, not at that point... I was concentrating on finishing my journey. TVGuide.com: Do you think you can maintain this weight? Phillips: Because of my age, I have some loose skin because I've dropped 140 pounds. I knew that was going to happen, however, I haven't really been toning my muscles. So what I plan on doing now is working on toning, and working on building some muscle strength for upper body, abs, lower body. So just that alone will put on a few pounds here and there, which is fine because there's no body fat, it will all be lean muscle. TVGuide.com: Going into the finale, were you worried about America choosing Mike? Phillips: I had a feeling America would choose Mike and honestly, the way that I was working out, and the dedication that I had at home, I knew that I was going to do my best and I was going to try to get to my goal weight, which was 120. Well, I went below that and I couldn't have been happier. I really was never afraid, I was never nervous. I knew that whatever happened I could look back with no regret [and] that I did everything in my power to get to the lowest weight that I wanted to be at. I came back to the ranch with so much confidence that I was going to win this thing, but I did tell myself that no matter what happened, I was a winner, because look what I had accomplished. TVGuide.com: How is your daughter Shanon doing? Is it her goal to lose the kind of weight you have? Phillips: Shanon is doing remarkably well, she is a rock star. The best moment for me with Shanon is when she looked at me and said, "Mom, I'm doing so well. It may be coming off a little bit slower, but I'll never be what I was before. I'll incorporate exercise and a good nutritional diet plan in my life from now on." And for me as her mother, looking at her telling me this, I couldn't have been happier because this is a lifestyle change. It's not about how low can you go, it's about being a healthy, normal weight, and that's what I want to see my daughter at.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 1:49 pm
There is one answer, she went for weight loss more than toning and strength, but now plans to work on that. She also didn't go to work, but just worked out three times a day/3 trainers.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 2:30 pm
This is what Jerry's Bio says on the website: "BIG JER" is the family's chief; a leader, and a funny, fair, and all-around nice guy. He is dedicated and hardworking, as demonstrated through a 35-year engineering career and a second career in finance, as well as his active involvement with his family. Jerry enjoys being silly and playing with his grandkids. Until a few months ago, Jerry was walking three mornings a week for 30 minutes. Currently, he does not have an exercise routine apart from lawn care and walking around town with the family. Jerry eats on the road, snacking a lot, particularly at night. Jerry is also sensitive at times about his weight/appearance. He is looking forward to losing the weight as mobility is often difficult, particularly when playing on the ground with the grandkids and getting in and out of tight spaces. Jerry, a great guy to get to know, will be a tough competitor when he sets his goals! Estella and Jerry met in high school, married and weathered 41 years of fun and difficulty times as a team. Together, they twice lost a lot of weight. As contestants, they look forward to the opportunity to make the major changes needed for a better future and quality of life (including playing with grandkids and dancing more)! He's lost alot of weight before and it sounds like alot of it may have been recent weight gain. In terms of his demeanor, I know I would have been uncomfortable in the situation that he was in. Not used to being on TV and fawned over after every single contestant weighed in, how do you act? He just may have been uncomfortable and proud and just didn't know how to act.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 2:34 pm
No toning or muscle work? So 6 hours of aerobics every day? Not exactly a role model for healthy weight-loss.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 3:30 pm
Helen is the same height as I am and at the same weight I was at for about a yr in high school. Everybody told me I was too skinny for my body type and now looking back at those pictures, I agree.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 3:54 pm
Thanks for trying Sea!
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 3:57 pm
Well... I hate to sound like I am defending Helen now that she has shared HOW she lost that much weight... but I have a 20 yr old who is 5'6" and weighs 106lbs. She eats like a friggin' horse and a work-out is just getting from bed to car to desk back to car then to bed with the odd break for a movie or eating out. LOL I keep telling her to enjoy it because when she turns 30 her a$$ is going to explode. I think a lot of it depends on bone size and genetics.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-05-2007
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 5:01 pm
I think it does too Rissa. I wondered about Jerry's hearing last night too, he reminded me of my grandma when she can't hear in a crowd and generally looks at me for an explanation. Just a thought here, after reading Jillian's deal on the cousins I was surprised that BL didn't show some of that. But, they got so much flack last season for how nasty and mean some of the players were, I wonder if they were trying to keep it more light hearted and chose not to show that? Disappointing none the less I was not a fan of Helen's like most of you. She would redeem a lot in my eyes if I knew that she allowed her daughter to use the 3 personal trainers that she hired for herself.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 5:56 pm
"Just a thought here, after reading Jillian's deal on the cousins I was surprised that BL didn't show some of that. But, they got so much flack last season for how nasty and mean some of the players were, I wonder if they were trying to keep it more light hearted and chose not to show that? Disappointing none the less" I saw the same news broadcast and Jillian said they only have cameras on campus 4 days a week. They weren't able to catch the food sneaks in the act. I think this means it was premeditated and they knew better than to do it when they'd be caught red handed.
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Rvon
Member
12-11-2003
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 5:57 pm
I'm not a fan of Helen's either. I always thought she was way too selfish and it was all about her.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-05-2007
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 6:11 pm
Thanks Mama, I missed that. Disappointing, I wanted them to be good guys, I really liked them in the beginning
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 6:47 pm
It also depends on age.. when I was 21 I got down to 100 lb and it wasn't that radical.. I have very small bones, was 5'2". But as you age.. Helen is 48 not 20, that extremely low weight looks less appropriate. 5'6" and 117.. not that bad, but she just doesn't look healthy. And she seems to be admitting that she needs to work on strength, build muscle. === Yep.. they only tape 4 days of the week.. guess Filipe and Sione chose the days with no cameras to misbehave. I was never a huge fan of Helen..
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 6:59 pm
In my later 20s / early 30s, my lowest weight was 113. I'm 6' tall. I wish I had a good full length photo of me then. I'm sure I was too thin, but looked OK to me. Wasn't going any lower, so not anorexic. My goal weight was 120, but got sick unrelated to weight loss and went down to 113. Kept it off for a few years, but then . . . . Never been really over weight, but boy oh boy -- I need toning. I got junk in the trunk. Back then I felt at times I could almost think my weight off. Not now. Ugh.
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 7:09 am
hmm so does this mean Jillian's trainees won yet another season even though Helen started out with Bob?
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Delurker
Member
08-19-2005
| Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 7:20 am
Panda I would say yes the win goes to Jillian again! If you think back, Helen was not doing so well UNTIL she went to Jillian's team. Same thing with Mike.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 9:32 am
She does seem to win without playing the games that Bob plays. The smartest move Mike made was being on Jillian's team even though his father was against it.
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 2:23 pm
I bet next season that they have hidden cameras! That would be hilarious to watch and so realistic because it is hard to believe that one would not be greatly tempted to cheat knowing some yummy treats were one door lock away.
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Lardbrick
Member
01-16-2006
| Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 4:24 pm
Ewwwwww! Helen did not look good. Zsa Zsa Gabor once said that she had to choose between her face and her a$$ and she chose her face. After looking at Helen, I can see why.
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