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Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 10:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
It is not difficult for tabloids to take a statement and just put a little spin on it to make it mean whatever they want it to mean.

Interviewee: The weather is nice today.

Written report: This person has been very unhappy about the weather. Even though today was considered a perfect day by most, this person only rated it as "nice." It seems that the reports that say that this person is difficult to please are correct.

Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 12:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
Cricket, I so agree with everything you say, I just get so frustrated and can not put into words as good as you can. I do agree that Jon has made many mistakes, but I have a lot of empathy for him. Kate is no angel herself and is in part responsible for a lot of their problems and she is by no means the victim that she wants people to believe she is.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 5:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
neither one of these people are perfect or victims. both need and should to take responsibilities for their actions. I have found we tend to relate/empathize with the person who relates more closely to our experiences or personalities. But, because we can relate to or empathize with one of them over the other does not mean we are blind to the person's actions.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
True Texannie. I've also found that people relate/empathize based on OUR personalities. Personally, I see Kate as a good mother. She's incredibly organized to have that many people in the house, those children have a clean environment and are kept clean themselves, the kids are well behaved, and seem to love their parents. I defend her because I see the positive in her instead of focusing on the negative.

Sure, Kate can be a shrew. She has trouble with interpersonal relationships.....BTW, she DOES communicate with her parents and one of her sisters....tossed that in there since some like to point out her own family doesn't talk to her. Jon is irresponsible. If he has a dime in his pocket, he's trying to spend it. He doesn't follow the rules and he gets in trouble. We all know this. We all agree about it. So why the frustration?

BTW, I just checked. All of my employees barked when I told them to.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 8:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
lol

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
So am I understanding that after Maddy said she was thirsty and would get dehydrated, Kate gave her a pat answer of, "I'll get dehydrated too" however, she then requested a bottle of water, took a swig and set it next to her, while sitting right next to the daughter who is saying she needs water.

No..I don't see that as normal behavior of a mother who loves her children more than herself.

As for the others wanting water at that time as well, not one of them piped up that they were thirsty too and they weren't even looking @ Kate or Maddy.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
ET reported tonight that Kate has 'custody' on Thanksgiving and she told Jon he couldn't come. I would love to see what would happen if Jon had 'cusody' on Christmas and told her she couldn't be there.

We have seen this happen before when Jon had his bar buddy unapproved nanny sleeping over and Kate stopped by on a Jon custody day and he didn't let Kate in. So we have seen Jon have custody on a day and deny Kate and we have seen her reaction; although IMO Kate flying over there was understandable.

All this conjecture about Kate. Where is the actual proof. I'm not talking about hearsay, Judge Judy doesn't even allow hearsay in her court, LOL. The reality is that we see Jon's bad behavior with our own 2 eyes and we hear his ill words, but all the stuff mentioned about Kate's conduct during the divorce, how she might be treating her kids when no one's around, how Kate saw to it that this person or that person was fired, blah blah blah is straight up hearsay. Barely any or no facts. None. We see Jon, none of the hearsay about Kate is what we actually see with our own eyes, we're not flies on the wall; thus making it hearsay since the claim is being told by someone else.

That being said absolutely none of this is relevant to the TLC case against Jon. None of it. All hearsay and none of it is relevant; even whatever small parts might happen to be true about Kate are still not relevant to Jon violating his contract with TLC. The fact is it has absolutely nothing to do with Kate no matter how one tries to spin it. The onus is completely all Jon's for violating his contract with TLC.

Smoke and mirrors. All the other stuff about what he or Kate did during the course of their marriage or Mady not getting a sip of water is smoke and mirrors. All the rest - what Jon says, his lawyer says, his manager or whomever in his camp or on his team say about Kate or the marriage - is just a fallacy, because is has nothing to do with her. A "reductio ad absurdum fallacy" to be exact. It's a good strategic move for them to try with the court and the public, but it's a fallacy none the less. Logic suggests one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

ETA: I think having sympathy or empathy for someone is a good thing, whether it be for Jon or Kate, but it has no place in the court case between Jon and TLC. What's relevant is logic and facts.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Cricket, I so agree with everything you say, I just get so frustrated and can not put into words as good as you can. I do agree that Jon has made many mistakes, but I have a lot of empathy for him. Kate is no angel herself and is in part responsible for a lot of their problems and she is by no means the victim that she wants people to believe she is.

Countrydaze, you put in very good words and more succintly than I did. I, too, have empathy for Jon as I can see what he went through in this marriage. I can see right through Kate. I don't think she likes herself very much and that will filter down to the children unless she gets some help and stops being the victim.
She kicks people out of her livfe when she has a replacement who doesn't know her well and becomes her new friend.

Pretty sad when the only friend you have is your paid bodyguard. Whether his wife realizes it or not, he has become Jon's replacement even if there is no affair.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Actually, if the worst thing Jon can find on Kate to use in court is the refusal one time to give a drink of water to a child, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. That's nothing in the eyes of the court.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
You would bark if your boss told you too? Holy degrading. If someone ever told me to bark I'd tell them where to go! Kate has no self esteem, she's a low class human being that will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING for money including barking like a dog, like I said God only knows what else she would do for money

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
God kill me if I ever relate to Kate. lol

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I have had said no to drinks close to bedtime. Or I will say wait till we get home. What were the circumstances when Kate said no to water?

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Pretty sad when the only friend you have is your paid bodyguard.

I don't really get this, because I've seen tabloid fodder of Kate with some of her friends.

I've also seen a couple of photos of her other bodyguards. That handsome fellow is not her only bodyguard. And FWIW, Jon has bodyguards, too. It's just that no one suggests he might be dating them, so they don't get the attention the handsome fellow does. I wonder if that accusation would be made if he wasn't quite so handsome.


About Thanksgiving...has something changed? Because not too long ago, I heard Jon saying they would be spending time together on Thanksgiving day.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I thought the custody arrangements were spelled out legally in a temporary custody agreement? Other than that, it's just out of the kindness of their hearts (or not) that they do anything else.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Kitty...Cricket posted a link to a video of it at 7:24 pm yesterday.

I think it's sort of another one of those things subject to interpretation, so the circumstances could be described any number of ways and it might be best to judge it for yourself.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Re: the drink of water

As soon as Mady said she was thirsty the rest of the kids chimed in that they were thirsty. Kate asked for the bottle of water and to me it looked like she was intending to give the kids a drink, but while she was taking a drink you could hear them tell her she had no time, so she capped the bottle and put it to the side and told the children that Judy would get them some water after the interview. She asked someone off camera if they had the Olive Garden cups ready.

Kate knew the interview was about to start and that she couldn't pass the bottle around in time. If they all didn't get a drink there would have been non-stop whining during the interview. Mady told her she was ugly and mean and you could see Kate was conflicted because the interview wasn't starting and she told Mady,"Here." and she reached to the side to try to get the bottle, but couldn't reach it and then you hear them say, "Now" and the interview was really going to start.

If you handed me a bottle of water that I had to share with my kids, I would have always opened and took a big drink before I started passing it around because I didn't drink after my kids until they were old enough not to backwash.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
You would bark if your boss told you too? Holy degrading. If someone ever told me to bark I'd tell them where to go! Kate has no self esteem, she's a low class human being that will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING for money including barking like a dog, like I said God only knows what else she would do for money



Certainly!! I guess it would all have to do with how good your relationship is with your boss huh? I've been with mine for 13 yrs, I know what kind of person he is and I trust him not to harm me in any way. SO I guess that I and everyone in my office are low class and have no self esteem..... or maybe we just have a sense of humor!!! Nobody in my office hesitated when I said bark. Now, if I told them to go clean the bathrooms, that would be another story.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 2:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Azriel, did you watch the same video I did? I didn't hear anyone clamoring for water. Kate told one of them to sit on the couch and then she asked for water, after dismissing Mady's thirst.

I never heard Mady tell her mother she was ugly. I did hear her say, "Mommy, you're so mean."

Is the Youtube video not accurate?

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 2:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Actually, if the worst thing Jon can find on Kate to use in court is the refusal one time to give a drink of water to a child, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. That's nothing in the eyes of the court

Karuuna, for me it wasn't the refusal of water, but the fact that after Maddy said she was very thirsty, Kate then asked for a bottle of water to be thrown and proceeded to drink it right in front of the thirsty child sitting next to her without giving her a sip. It was mean-spirited and not something a loving Mother would do.

If she had said, "No, wait until the interview is over" no problem, but it's what she did that was mean.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Kittyab, here's the YouTube video:

Kate Refuses To Give Maddy Water

As a Mother, Kitty, I just wonder if you would do this to your daughter. I don't think so. Every time Kate said, "Okay" I thought she meant she was going to take a sip and give Maddy a sip real quick. I was stunned.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I believe that there were other people talking off-mike that we can't hear during that video that kept Kate from giving the water to Mady. I do believe she was reaching to give it to her and somebody must have said something that stopped her. And I believe Mady was being overly dramatic.

And I would never drink after my child, much less 8...YUCK! And I'm not nearly as much of a germophone as Kate.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 3:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
There are children in the United States that are being abused by their parents. There are children in the United States who go to bed hungry and go to school without having breakfast. There are children living in squalor, in cars, in homeless shelters.

Telling a child who lives in a nice home, with healthy food and loving parents that they have to wait for a drink of water is not child abuse.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 3:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Here's a little more of that behind the scenes interview, just to give a bit fuller picture:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPDGA7fxEIk

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 3:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
There are children in the United States that are being abused by their parents. There are children in the United States who go to bed hungry and go to school without having breakfast. There are children living in squalor, in cars, in homeless shelters.

So very sadly true. And there are children in America whose mothers are trading them into prostitution to settle drug debts, and mothers who are shooting or stabbing their children, and mothers who are giving drugs to their children.

Discipline can look like abuse to outsiders sometimes.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Azriel, I watched the video on youtube and it appears to be mostly just like you described.

Roxip, you're right, you can tell there are people talking to her off-mike or through an ear-piece. This is evidenced by Kate responding many times to people we don't see or hear. It also appeared Kate reached for the bottle again and was about to give it to Mady for a drink, but then was told they're about to go on so she then slid the bottle completely out of view.

But what is this whole water thing supposed to be pertinent to?

ETA: I watched a different youtube from Bee's. Thanks Bee for the one you posted, wow that Mady has some mouth on her! LOL. When Mady said "would you stop being my boss," sounds like language she may have obtained from an adult or tv.