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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 3:23 pm
I think Onlyhuman was referring to the increase in the number of viewers, not the viewers who were watching previous to this event.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 3:33 pm
I think every show is better with ups and downs.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 3:54 pm
I called Mom in Florida and asked her watch the re-run tonight and tell me what she thinks. She has never seen even one ep of J&K. I am so curious to get her view on the ep. She's recording it so she may not actually be watching tonight. I explained to her that they are currently under scrutiny because Jon was caught out having cocktails with a younger woman, but she really doesn't know much else about them. I'll be curious to to hear what she thinks of them from this ep.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 3:59 pm
I'm continuing to watch so I can see them mend their marriage. Just call me a cockeyed optimist.
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 4:41 pm
Now that I have watched the entire show I feel better about Kate. I am still not sure about Jon. While I want to think he did not cheat I do feel that he is not grateful for all that the show has brought his family.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 4:53 pm
he is not grateful for all that the show has brought his family While the show did get them all sorts of perks and trips and one hellofa house, in the long run, the show contributed to the end of this family. Probably brought (and continues to do so) more grief to his kids than he or Kate ever could have imagined. The only winner in this situation is TLC. They are likely in 7th heaven with ratings like that.
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 4:59 pm
If Jon spoke to Kate, the way she speaks to him....holy heck would be happening on this site, as well as others. verbal abuse.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 5:09 pm
If this marriage is broken, then TLC should cancel the show. The whole concept of the show has changed.
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Mush
Member
09-09-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 5:21 pm
I just did the math and $50,000 per episode (the low end that is reported) for a 40-episode season (season 4 had 40 and season 5 is that much or a bit more) is... $2,000,000! And, you can add the books and speaking engagements on top of that. With all the freebies, I hope that they've been banking a big chunk of that and can afford to dial back a bit to focus on the kids and their marriage.
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Mush
Member
09-09-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 5:27 pm
It just hit me that maybe Jon and Kate (and TLC) decided to change the show to focus on their relationship instead of the kids, and this is all part of their plan. That would stop the "exploitation" complaints and, now that the kids are getting school age and not so available, a way to come up with new stories. Ok, I'll take my speculation and slink off to the Lost thread now...
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Suzie
Member
05-18-2009
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 5:47 pm
Well I plan to keep watching. I feel those kids are my kids. To stop watching now would feel like I was abandoning them. They are beautiful children and I just want to reach through the screen and hug and kiss them all. I'm not watching because I want to see Jon and Kate, I watch because I can't get enough of those precious little bodies and faces. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jon and Kate both have issues, neither of all right nor all wrong. It takes 2 people to make and to break a marriage. If Jon cheated, which I think he did, shame on him. But Kate is controlling and domineering and very into herself. This is no reason to go out and break your marriage vows but it is what it is. I still am trying to figure out what brought them together in the first place besides the lust they had when they first laid eyes on each other. Was it a physical thing that kept them going? Somewhere along the line, it appears the love died. The vow renewal thing was a hoax. Neither seemed really into it. It felt cold and impersonal to me. Sorry I am going in every direction here. Just different ideas churning around and around.
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 6:05 pm
This is so terribly sad. If this couple never had appeared on TV, I'm sure their marriage would have gone on, at least for some time. Jon married Kate, I feel, because she was take charge, and controlling. I think Jon needed this in his life to give him direction, and Kate, I'm sure, was more than willing to provide the direction. I bet Jon was fine with his treatment until it hit the TV and people started telling him he was a doormat, less of a man, and "How the heck does he put up with that bi---!" He's also more of a loner, and all this media attention is just too much for him. So Jon was being told by these young lovelies at parties that he was so cute and he shouldn't put up with Kate. I think Jon looked at the tapes of this show, and felt emasculated. Also, being on TV makes Jon, oh so more attractive to the girls he encounters. I feel so sorry for all involved. I am a child of divorce, as I am sure many of the posters here are, or they know someone who has gone through this. There are no true winners in divorce, the children suffer ( even though many claim children are fine after divorce, I feel even the "best" divorce causes problems of some kind later in life). Yes, Kate is over the top with the control, and I don't find her a very sympathetic figure, but I feel Jon chose her for the same qualities for which he is abandoning her, strange. I think Jon has growing up to do, and Kate needs to reaccess her treatment of people. Jon should have asked for a seperation before he had an affair for the children's sake. I feel so terribly sorry for the little ones, for everyone.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 6:09 pm
on ET or The Insider (all those news magazines seem the same) but they took a quote (who knows where it came from) and said this season may be the last (they had that in white letters while showing the scene at the Park taking the picture of the kids with J&K on the end) From Julie's (Kate's sister-in-law) blog (courtesy of http://www.usmagazine.com/news/sister-urges-viewers-not-to-watch-jon-and-kate-plus-8-2009255): "Since TLC is airing the old episodes, I thought I shed some light on how the show works. We've discussed this before, but it's buried somewhere in the archived posts. "When the show first started, Kate made a wishlist of things that she wanted, and that became the theme of each episode--the carpet, twin's room, bunk beds, cow, hairplugs, teeth whitening, trips, etc. EVERYTHING that you see them do or buy is completely paid for out of the budget for the show or traded for free advertising. Kate went on and on about saving up for special days, you saw her paying for things, she talked about budgeting, etc. It is all for the appearance that they are a struggling family with 8 children. They needed to be relatable. They didn't pay for any of it. "The episodes are also staged. Here's how it works...there is a staff of people reading these blogs and they base the shows around what people are talking about. I haven't watched many episodes, but I do know some of the behind the scenes events. "The Christmas episode from 2007. Producers told Kate that the viewers wanted to see her show appreciation to their helpers. They told her what the episode was going to be. I think they baked cookies and then went caroling (of course this was probably one of their many 'traditions"--those are all fake too). Kate threw a fit. She didn't want to do it, but she did...because they were trying to pacify the viewers. "Another example is the 'Games Gosselins Play' (I think that might have been the same episode as their 'mission statement'). I actually did watch this one. This was around the time that I started reading discussion boards and finding out that there were many people opposed to the show. It was so obvious that the mission statement was addressing all of the concerns that I had been reading online. The game time was just ridiculous. After the episode, I called Jodi and said, 'what was that?.' She hadn't watched it, so I explained that it came across so fake (at least to me). Jodi was with Kate when she got "the call" about the theme for that episode. Kate said something like, 'so now I have to pretend that I play with my kids.' They also wanted her to pay special attention to the boys. "Don't believe everything you see. The children are also being prompted to say or do certain things. They signed their lives away to TLC and they will continue to spin the show to keep the viewer's interest. I don't believe this show will go away until the viewers decide that they don't want to be played anymore. "Of course, you've all figured out that they are showing Kate cook/bake to promote her upcoming cookbook. The show has now turned into a show about a family with a reality show--move to a mansion, cross-over shows, book tour, talk shows... "I've only watch a handful of episodes. I haven't even seen all of the episodes that Jodi has been in. I made a personal decision long ago to do what I can to give those children the privacy and respect that they deserve. I refuse to watch and participate in something that I feel so strongly against. "Please don't watch on Monday. You're not going to learn anything new by watching. They will only show what they think people want to see and it isn't real anyway. They will probably drag this out (J&K's 'relationship') for the entire season. They just string the viewers along hoping that they will come back for more."
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 6:14 pm
Jgalt, I have always seen it differently than you do as far as why Jon married Kate. I feel Jon married Kate because I don't think he thought he would ever find a cuter little blond. She was a prize. I mean face it, was adorably cute in her 20s. (I still think she is). I think Kate was the hottest chick Jon ever had and it wasn't exactly too hard for him to decide to marry her.
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 6:30 pm
Hi Naja, you certainly have a point, Kate is, and was, very pretty, certainly a knock out when she married Jon.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 7:29 pm
Reader, that is all very interesting. Sad, but I can see how it could all be true. If people really love the Gosselin kids that much, that would freak me way out if I were their parents. Heck it freaks me out and I'm not even their parents. Good point Jgalt about how Jon seems to be leaving Kate for the same reasons he may have been attracted to her in the first place. Can't be good for their relationship to see the tapes over and over again. I know sometimes I get mad at my dh and then I forget why and then I am no longer mad. But if it were on TV and I saw it over and over again I would likely stew about it.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 7:31 pm
On the promos for next week, what does Jon say he is opting out of? Something with Mady?
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 8:03 pm
Mady and Kate had a spa date - in California - Jon opted out of that trip. BTW - I was intrigued when they showed Kate's signature (in book signing and on the wall of the old set ) she signs Kate - the K is large and really pretty (imho a a straight down then a pretty loop and you can read the ate ) but for her last name - it seems so very sloppy - I'd love to see how Jon signs his name - not that it changes, or means anything - just intriguing...
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 8:42 pm
OMG - O'Reilly just compared the J&K show to Michael Vic? They were talking about the kids, how all the kids have friends, classmates, and TLC doing it for ratings - how is it different from Michael Vic? jaw dropped.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 8:57 pm
Another reason to never watch O'Reilly! 
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 8:57 pm
why in the world do they need to go to California for a spa date, aren't there any resort/spas in their own state. That just seems weird to me, LOL.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:02 pm
Good question Dipo! And of course TLC does it for ratings.
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:18 pm
aahh, a cookbook next. now i get it. 1st a show w/ emeril and then a show w/ duff, the cake guy. i thought she was going to have an organic cooking show. another book, oh boy!
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:41 pm
Hi Reader, I'm a licenced Graphologist and the signature you are discribing is very interesting and telling. If her first name is extremely legible, with the first capital letter large and ornate, this denotes a large ego, and the legibility, that she wants to be clearly understood. If the last name is illegible, she has little pride in that word or name, or is distancing herself from that word or name. I want it understood that I haven't seen the signature so I am just pointing out the possibility. I would have to examine the name to be sure of the factors I previously stated, but this is just some general info. There are so many other factors involved then what I stated, slope, angle, spacing, pressure, etc., so this was just a generalization. So much of graphology is really common sense but very interesting.
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Suzie
Member
05-18-2009
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 9:50 pm
On the promo for the spa trip, it shows Kate and Kara sitting on the beach it looks like and Kate looks incredibly miserable and is mumbling something like "its good for us to get away". Those arent the exact words but something to that affect. I have never seen a more miserable Kate in my life as in that promo. Be on the lookout for it. It shows them in the spa and Kara gets some little decal put on her toes and she is giggling...then it cuts to them on the beach. 
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