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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 12:30 pm
I think all of us are "pro kids" first, but it get's tiring prefacing every post with it and most people realize it anyway.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 12:33 pm
Jon a saint? No way. I don't see that here at all. He's been a push over, a door mat, a slacker. But some of us are glad he's finally stood up for himself, albeit way too late (and not in the best manner).
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 12:38 pm
I don't think Jon stood up for himself, he ran away from his troubles. ...and I didn't know that Kate bought the house. I've never seen that reported.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 12:39 pm
How has he stood up for himself? Don't mean that sarcastically but I haven't seen any evidence of it at all. I find both sides rather amusing. To have such rabid support and/or hate for two complete strangers who are just characters on tv is beyond me. Interesting dissecting it but the emotional involvement that some seem to have leaves me perplexed. Like you said Naja, it's the kids who matter.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 12:47 pm
Jon hasn't stood up for himself. He ran away. He started a relationship with a young woman. He has whined about how hard his life is. Where is he standing up for himself? <93> Angelicfairies, I brought up your marriage ONLY because you brought it up as an example of how Jon's behavior was appropriate. I was assuming that you did NOT do the things Jon has done. Obviously, I should have put a smiley at the end of my line about you finding it okay, because it did not come across in the joking way I intended. I apologize for that.
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Moderator
Moderator
06-30-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 12:50 pm
Everyone, please stop talking about each other and just enjoy talking about the show. Do not make it personal. Everyone stays much happier that way and that means less work for us which makes us much happier (and that is a good thing). Thank you. 
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 1:03 pm
I think our group here is one the few moderated groups around that hasn't banned the Jon & Kate discussion altogether...LOL That's pretty cool when you think about it.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 1:13 pm
That is cool! It's also interesting to hear the other side of the argument. I've always been Team Jolie, so it is any wonder I'm team Jon? For so many of us who've watched show after show after show, we've invested a lot of time and interest in this family so it doesn't surprise me that we feel so strongly about how bad things have turned.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 1:44 pm
Who's the victim? Blaming the victim? Kate is the victim? I don't see either of them as victims of anything other than their own bad behavior. Jon for being a doormat for far too long and Kate for being a shrew for far too long. Well said, Brenda. As for Jon needing to "man up", isn't that exactly what he's doing right now. He's saying enough, I'm not taking it any more. Isn't that what you have to do with bullies? (IMO, Kate is very much a bully.) Did anyone notice last night how she often referred to things using the pronoun "my." And when she looked out the kitchen window of her new home, taking in the huge expanse of land, she said "All mine!" not once, but twice. I think in Kate's mind, Jon has been nothing more than a bothersome appendage for some time now. I think I believe her brothers story that she told Jon it was over 6 months ago. Yup, I believe it. As for the car, $38,000 is far from being an expensive car nowadays. It's probably a very average price. I bet those huge 10-seater buses they run around in cost double that at least. And if he's left the homestead, of course he'd need a car! Surely he has to get something out of the last 10 years, or should it all be Kate's?
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 1:45 pm
6 months - from a post upthread, both Jon and Kate agree the "rift" has been 6 months? WOW, that is even sadder - that would put it in the Nov - Dec time frame - stress of holidays? I'm still thinking it has something to do with the break from Jodie and Kevin, as well as the other family members - However, ITA Jon just doesnt know how to grow. Didnt he get a job from another friend? The one that had the huge house that the kids loved to run around inside like a track? It was an IT job?? So there are problems that would merit Jon's attention - again... Dr Phil would not be a good choice for a therapy session, but you know Dr Phil has got to get involved! Naja - I'm on a totally unmoderated type board - not to many post on the discussion side - but it is weird to have to watch what I say here - and totally let loose on another board!!
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 1:49 pm
I'm definitely team Jon which doesn't mean I condone cheating, if that is what he did and I tend to believe he did. I'm not as sure that Kate has been fooling around with the security guy that's been at her side. How any man would want her is beyond me...having seen how she treats Jon. I believe what Kate's brother said about Kate telling Jon it the marriage is over months ago and that as long as he shows up for taping he's free to do what he wants. It's been said Jon has never had steady work. How Kate, being the control freak that she is, ever decide to have another child with him after the twins is dumbfounding. Did she think they were going to live off the state? That is if Jon actually is the slacker that has been stated here. I thought he worked when the show first started. I'm also curious as to why most people in their lives or that were in their lives no longer have nice things to say about Kate and support Jon, why is that? I'm also of the belief that infidelity doesn't have to be a deal breaker if both parties are willing to work the kinks out. But it doesn't seem to be the case. Neither seem interested in working on the marriage. I also think that both parents were exceptional parents and both worked their tails off raising the little ones till now. What I have going on in my mind is how the divorce will go. Will both petition for primary primary custody and the house? I think Jon has a good shot at getting it if he can prove verbal abuse (which should be relatively easy) and Kate's travel can be considered. I'd hate to see it come to letting the courts decide. I'm not sure if the 2 of them can work these arrangements out without a fight. Do they even live in a no fault state? At the end of the day the kids will suffer. No more regular family dinners, trips, movie nights, doggie adventures to share daily. No more mommy and daddy tucking them into bed. It's sad.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 2:00 pm
What happened to the dogs, btw? Does she still have them or have they left the homestead too?
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 2:03 pm
They showed the dogs on this season opener...they look happy and healthy and approx 6 or 7 months old. Then Kate jokingly offered to give them away to a fan at her book signing...LOL She was joking. I don't think she is heartless enough to get rid of them after the kids love them, like my folks were.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 2:06 pm
Oooh, that must have sucked, Naja.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 2:06 pm
BTW, this show got record ratings last night: 9.8 million viewers. So I guess all the controversy worked for TLC.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 2:08 pm
whoah...waaay worked. That's better than 95% of network shows do. I think the 50G per ep salary may go up a bit next season...LOL
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 2:15 pm
Those are huge ratings for a show that isn't on one of the big four networks.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 2:26 pm
Those aren't huge ratings... those are CRAAAAAAAZYYYYYYYYYY ratings. (But I also contributed to those ratings as I watched the show last night for the very first time.)
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 2:35 pm
Holy Toledo...I just looked at tvbythnumbers.com...That's almost twice the viewer as "So You Think You Can Dance"!!!!!!!
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 2:57 pm
(and in real life----Jon and Kate in their basement, away from the cams, jumping up and down giving each other high-fives) LOL
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 2:58 pm
Evidently, the collapse of a marriage is something everyone wants to watch. I suspect it's so we can judge them and feel better about ourselves in the process. We're all human, we want to watch the fire burn and convince ourselves that we are safe because we don't play with matches.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 3:02 pm
I think that is certainly one explanation. And that explanation doesn't even imply that the viewers are bad for wanting to watch. It is just a human self defense mechanism. It's partly why people watch horror movies.
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Lori32
Member
07-04-2008
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 3:07 pm
"Evidently, the collapse of a marriage is something everyone wants to watch" Not the case here.Quiet the contrary. I deleted last nights recording,and canceled the series recording. I no longer want to watch.It is too depressing for me to watch those precious children all the while knowing what lies ahead.I also don't want to watch the good times the whole family shared.I really did not realize how attached I was to this family until all of this transpired. It's sad. Too sad for words..
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 3:10 pm
onlyhuman wrote-"Evidently, the collapse of a marriage is "something everyone wants to watch. I suspect it's so we can judge them and feel better about ourselves in the process. We're all human, we want to watch the fire burn and convince ourselves that we are safe because we don't play with matches." I can only speak for myself and have no idea why others watch...but I'm not one to watch their trainwreck of a marriage to feel better of myself. I have a huge ego and an awesome 2 decade marriage, I need no help in feeling good about myself ( I can probably tone it down a bit lol but I'm a happy girl) and I suspect many of the posters here are not unlike me. I think it's a big assumption about why people are watching, but people do project, such is life.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 3:21 pm
I would have watched whether this scandal was the opening season show or not. I love watching the kidlets.
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