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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 2:31 pm
Dipo stated: I believe the job that everyone is talking about where Jon got fired was the one before they were on the show. He was fired for always searching the web to find free stuff for his family. Thanks, Dipo. If it is true Jon was let go from the first job we knew of, who was it in that family that said society 'owed' them because of today's technology making it so you have multiples when you do fertility treatments...none other than Kate. I'm sure she enlisted him in helping with that and he had a computer at work, while she was busy with the children. Rissa, thanks for the info re the Gov't job. I knew he was working from home, but didn't realize for whom. That would have been his third job after he no longer worked for Beth's husband. For me, the timing of Beth and Kate no longer being friends and Jon no longer working for her husband are just too coincidental to be by chance. Neither Beth nor her husband talk to the Gosselins any longer. People have said Beth is the same story as Jodi. Kate didn't want her paid by TLC to be seen, so she was no longer on. Also, many have said Kate didn't write any of the book she hawks. Beth wrote it all. They supposedly met when Beth was a volunteer to help with the babies when they first came home. Kate got what she wanted and I can't help but feel she didn't care what happened to Jon along the way. If she hadn't forced the second fertility on him, he'd still have his first job; if she hadn't excluded Beth from the show; he might still have his second job with Bob (Beth's husband.) Now, he will have to find a new way in his life, because neither TLC nor Kate will be ther to help him. I think Kate's 'helped' him quite enough. For people to keep saying Jon can't keep a job, it's just not true. Look at why he doesn't have these jobs and Kate's name comes right up. He's better away from her. Angelic, yes Kate is a 'rule follower' as she herself stated, so she will do whatever TLC tells her.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 2:36 pm
Cricket, I think that job had been long gone before the book was even an idea. Rissa, are you talking about the one with Bob, Beth's husband? All I heard when watching the shows was how great it was that Jon could work from home for Bob and then all of sudden neither Beth nor Bob's names were mentioned. The fact that they don't talk to the Gosselins leads me to believe Jon lost his job with Bob because of the Kate/Beth situation. I have a feeling once Kate is out from under TLC's protection (if that ever happens) Beth might have some things to say.
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Kittyab
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 2:47 pm
He would have to update his skills for him to get a decent IT job.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 3:03 pm
Not sure Cricket, there were 3 in very short order and they never really went into much detail. The home IT job being with Beth's husband would fit the timeline of when the Carson's stopped appearing on the show but it's just guesswork at this point. Jon getting himself fired which caused tension btn the couples is also reasonable and fits Jon's work history but is also guesswork. I am sure the blanks will get filled in as time goes by.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 3:11 pm
If she hadn't forced the second fertility on him, he'd still have his first job Well, now, how can we possibly know that?? Jon hasn't been able to keep any other job he's had, including his TLC job, so what is to make me think he'd still have his first job? LOL ETAsk: And how, exactly, does one "force" fertility on another? Did she sneak his sperm and secretly use it? Yeah...no.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 3:15 pm
I only wanted one child. DH wanted more. We had several, very heated discussions about this until I finally relented and we had dd#2. This does not allow me to make excuses for all the bad decisions I have made since and blame them on DH. He may have been on the baby bandwagon sooner but I eventually made the decision (as Jon did) to also jump onboard. Just saying. 
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 3:30 pm
Rissa, are you talking about the one with Bob, Beth's husband? All I heard when watching the shows was how great it was that Jon could work from home for Bob and then all of sudden neither Beth nor Bob's names were mentioned. The fact that they don't talk to the Gosselins leads me to believe Jon lost his job with Bob because of the Kate/Beth situation. OR Kate was embarrassed that Jon's performance was so poor that he got himself fired and argued/was angry with Beth about it???? We don't know and may never know.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 3:35 pm
I don't know about Jon and jobs, but really to fault him for the TLC job when Kate told him it was over? That's beyond human to expect him to tow the line after she booted him. I just reread the Star article that Jodi/Kevin gave and it said their fights were awful, with Kate admitting she locked Jon out of the house several times and the two older girls knew it. What kind of life is that for Jon. Re his employment, he did work for a cabinet company and lost that job just before the sextuplets were born. It wasn't stated if he was laid off or what. Kate let him have it and there were many fights about it. Jon is just a laid back kind of guy and Kate knew him by the time the twins were born. She had to know she couldn't count on him only to support more children. The responsible thing to do would have been to either divorce him then or keep her job as a nurse; accept the Jon she married and raise their twins. However, she wanted more and now she doesn't speak to any of her family and the kids don't have their Dad around all the time. One of their neighbors (who is also a writer) at their previous house wrote this great article. Jon-Kate Too Late
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 3:43 pm
I don't know about Jon and jobs, but really to fault him for the TLC job when Kate told him it was over? That's beyond human to expect him to tow the line after she booted him. But he has continued to do the show. And, frankly, Kate didn't tell him it was over until he began making it quite clear in the media that he was all over town messing around with girls. Most women would have told him it was over!! I think it's beyond human to expect her to tell him he can just continue to be a cad. the kids don't have their Dad around all the time. They don't have their Mom around all the time, either. But one thing is quite clear: It wasn't their Mom that was out there doing the stuff that their children will google. That was Jon. And Kate wasn't forcing him to do that crap.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 4:26 pm
If she hadn't forced the second fertility on him, he'd still have his first job Well, now, how can we possibly know that?? ETAsk: And how, exactly, does one "force" fertility on another? Did she sneak his sperm and secretly use it? Bee, I'm so glad you said it, you beat me to it! "Forced"? Wow!! ::SMH:: All I can say is, wow!
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 4:35 pm
I don't know about Jon and jobs, but really to fault him for the TLC job when Kate told him it was over? That's beyond human to expect him to tow the line after she booted him. It's not beyond human, it's called a contract. The contract doesn't become null and void simply because a couple separates or divorces unless the contract stipulates that it does. I wonder if this same argument would be made if it was Kate who was blatantly violating the contract and doing whatever she wanted. I wonder if some would have the same perspective, or would she be in the wrong for violating a law-abiding contract.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 4:56 pm
TLC has a contract with Jon. TLC has a contract with Kate. They are each responsible for their own performance to the contract. The entire TLC situation as a matter of law has nothing to do with the divorce.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 4:57 pm
exactly! jon signed a contract. he's a big boy and he knew what he signed. to blame him not following through with his legal obligation because he was mad at kate is just ridiculous imho. and it would be as equally irresponsible if the shoe were on the other foot. this is not an issue of who likes whom better or who is nice or not, this is a legal contractual issue.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 5:03 pm
Texannie, to everything that you said: Exactly!! Thank You!! "this is not an issue of who likes whom better or who is nice or not, this is a legal contractual issue." Amen! That makes perfect sense.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 5:10 pm
thanks ahnicka...they both can be jerks as far as the contract is concerned. it would be a very interesting world if legal contracts became null and void because someone wasn't nice! LOL i can just see the attorney arguing the case 'well, your honor, the plantiff was mean to the defendant so s/he didn't think s/he had to follow through on his legal obligation'. 
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 5:53 pm
If Jon was a treasured/valued/productive employee for Beth's husband, he wouldn't lose his job just because Kate and Beth parted ways. If Kate had to make nice with Beth in order for Jon to keep the cushy work at home job, then it wasn't a legit job, IMO.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 6:13 pm
good points, sea!
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 7:14 pm
I've been out of town and reading through the posts. I saw where someone said that if TLC told Kate to bark, she would. Ummmmm if my boss told me to bark I WOULD! Maybe I should test that on my employees tomorrow. Kate may have locked Jon out several times, and their arguments may have been nasty...but we don't know what they were fighting about. If it's the drinking thing we previously discussed, I can see locking him out.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 7:46 pm
But one thing is quite clear: It wasn't their Mom that was out there doing the stuff that their children will google. That was Jon. And Kate wasn't forcing him to do that crap. Beekind, that's not quite true. Everything I posted above is on the internet and the peeps/stories say that Kate has a very bad temper; locked Jon out of the house and she ruled the roost, with Jon being her puppet. Also, she had complete control of the money. Of course, I'm sure her children will be well aware of her temper as they grow up. I guess that won't be a surprise to them when they google her. Sabbatia, no one mentioned that Jon was drinking when Kate locked him out. It was stated she got so angry she pulled a drawer out of the dresser; dumped the clothes out and threw the drawer on top of the mess. (I'm thinking someone put the wrong color next to each other (joke.) Why does everyone make excuses for Kate's notable temper and say there is an excuse for it? There's no excuse. This supposedly happened several times and Kate even told others she did it. That is no way handle an argument. Nothing gets resolved except for Kate acting like she's the boss and Jon has to beg to get back in. Perhaps she should go to anger management classes and counseling wouldn't be a bad idea. ET reported tonight that Kate has 'custody' on Thanksgiving and she told Jon he couldn't come. I would love to see what would happen if Jon had 'cusody' on Christmas and told her she couldn't be there. This woman has absolutely no empathy as I stated last night. It's all about her. She can't seem to share. How do they figure out what days each has custody. Does Kate do it?
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 7:49 pm
Seamonkey stated: If Kate had to make nice with Beth in order for Jon to keep the cushy work at home job, then it wasn't a legit job, IMO. Sorry, I guess I didn't type correctly the point I was trying to make. It seems that Kate pushed Beth away after she didn't need her anymore and then Jon may have lost his job. Do you think it was Beth's fault Kate had a fit that TLC wanted to pay her? She wrote the book for Kate and then Kate kicks her to the curb. Of course that's going to affect Jon's employer who happens to be Beth's husband. It has nothing to do with being a fake job.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 8:06 pm
Just because something is "on the internet" hardly makes it true. As Dr Phil is fond of saying, the tabloids have had him divorcing Robin or Robin divorcing him for years and years. You missed my point .. if you only have a job as long as your wife and the boss' wife are getting along, that isn't in my mind a legitimate job anyway. If Beth's husband let Jon go because of a falling out, or because Beth wasn't on the show anymore then that was a crap move on his part, IF Jon was a legitimate and valued employee. Seems like Jon's last couple of jobs were "arranged" for him in one way or another. I don't think there is an "of course" in there unless the job was just a favor to his wife's friend, Kate, to employ Jon. As for being locked out.. it isn't like he would be out on the street.. there is an apartment over the garage that Jon's been using for quite some time. I don't know that there has been proof that he even was locked out, but it wasn't as drastic as that sounds for most of us if we were locked out. But just because "someone" posts an action on the itnernet.. I don't think we know he WAS thrown out and we sure cannot know a reason if he was indeed locked out.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 8:24 pm
Seamonkey, these are people who have had direct contact with Kate and Jon, so I tend to believe them. I was looking @ something else and this video that is being referenced in the lawsuit re Kate refusing to give Mady water was there. I was stunned! Kate Refuses to Give Mady Water I really thought Kate asked for the water intending to give Mady a sip. When she drank the water, I STILL thought she would then hand it to Mady and tell her to take a quick sip, but no...she put it down and told her that "Judy" would get Mady and the others something to drink after the interview. Un be lievable. I could never do that to any child, let alone my own.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 8:40 pm
Why does everyone make excuses for Kate's notable temper and say there is an excuse for it? There's no excuse. This supposedly happened several times and Kate even told others she did it. That is no way handle an argument. Nothing gets resolved except for Kate acting like she's the boss and Jon has to beg to get back in. Perhaps she should go to anger management classes and counseling wouldn't be a bad idea. Well....she's been working on it and it shows. MY question....you can't have really bad arguments by yourself. So I really don't see the Kate acting like the boss and Jon begging to get back in. It takes two to argue. Everyone always talks about how she rules the roost...well, you can't have it both ways. Either she pushed him around and he took it, or they had bad arguments. Which internet piece of info is correct? One thing I know for sure, those kids love their mother....and their father too of course. It shows. If she were such a horrible person, it would show in the way the kids react to her.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 8:41 pm
Beekind, that's not quite true. Everything I posted above is on the internet and the peeps/stories say that Kate has a very bad temper; locked Jon out of the house and she ruled the roost, with Jon being her puppet. Also, she had complete control of the money. Of course, I'm sure her children will be well aware of her temper as they grow up. I guess that won't be a surprise to them when they google her. Cricket...I'm not talking about rumour, peeps, hearsay, speculation, stories. I'm talking about the actual actions Jon did. The actual photos of the girl he chooses to have around his children holding a gun to her friend's head. Things like that. I once clearly heard Jon say he did not want his children to google him and see stuff he has done. And yet, he continued to do it. So, to me, I take it that he was simply lying, because if he didn't want them to see that crap, then he shouldn't have done it. Especially in light of knowing that the paps were following him. LOL And, yes, the children will be aware of her temper...just as I was aware of my mother's and my children are aware of mine. That is the nature of a mother. All mothers...and fathers...have a temper at times. As for the water....the family was in the middle of an interview. If Kate had given water to Mady (who seems, to me, to have a pretty clear take on how to work things) she would most likely have had to have given water to seven other children. I'm sure Mady got her water shortly after the interview was over. I can recall my children wanting water, food, whatever during church and I clearly recall telling them sternly that they would have to wait. So, I guess I could do that to a child, including my own. If I had stopped and catered to every one of their whims, I'd hate to imagine what sort of people they might be today.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 9:01 pm
And of course Jon didn't just wait for "someday" but supplied a laptop to a 9 year old (and an ATV to the other.. ) each with dangerous potential, but certainly making it even more likely that his actions will be googled, sooner, by his kids. Anyone can say anything, connected to the family or not, but that isn't proof. Heck, if you believe EVERYTHING Jon has said about HIMSELF, it will twist your mind, since he often changes his story or contradicts himself.
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