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Cricket
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08-05-2002

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Kate mentions being alone all the time. If she is so afraid of being alone (if that's possible with 8 children, lol) why did she not go to counseling with Jon, rather than just tell him she was over him?

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I have to say that as much as I dislike Kate, she really does seem to be handling this well. And as much as Jodie/Kevin have made her out to be COMPLETELY antisocial there hasn't been one family member or friend besides them to air any dirty laundry or talk about her in any disparaging way(and I am sure the tabloids have been digging and offering money). The only thing that even came close was some snarkiness at that charity function which was never confirmed. Now it seems she is doing some more forward thinking by renewing her nursing license. I am SURE she never wants to go back to nursing and would prefer to stay in the entertainment industry (and who can blame her with the difference in paychecks, my issue is with the kids being filmed... she is free to do whatever she wants) but it shows that she is being level-headed and keeping all options open. TMZ: Kate G. renews nursing license.

Onlyhuman, I must have missed some fun but I agree with your last post. I know that had I watched last night I would have given myself a migraine with all the eye-rolling. LOL I have to be honest about that, that whatever she says at this point I am just going to fit it in with my existing opinion of her.

Jenjackso
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02-10-2009

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jenjackso a private message Print Post    
Sometimes you can be married to someone and still feel alone, maybe she had that with Jon. Also, kids don't fill the intimate alone that I think she was referring to. Not just sex but also another adult that is in it with you to share your hopes and fears.

I'm not a Kate fan but I read it as that type of aloneness.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
How do we know she did not want to go to counseling? I'm genuinely asking, because I really don't know about that part of the story, or what went on behind their closed doors.

If the reason that it's believed is because Jon said it, then I'm sorry I don't believe it. I'm not one to take what he says as gospel. Jon is a known and proven liar, I believe about 2% - 5% of what he says; his actions always betray his words. He's a walking talking contradiction. He's been caught in multiple lies and like the saying goes "if a person shows you who they really are, then believe them." And I believe what he's shown me, that he lies a lot, and is a liar.

However, I do think one can be afraid of being alone despite knowing things are not working out or are over in a marriage. Oftentimes, one can be lonely while even being in a relationship, so it's not unfathomable to know something is over, unsalvageable, and still yet be afraid of not finding someone again that can deal with you, your life, and the 8 package deal she comes with.

Kate isn't running around flamboyantly in the public eye with multiple men or even one man, and hasn't since before this all started, so I can see how she may feel lonely right now. Kids can be great and can be a distraction, but they don't feel every void, nor that specific kind of void. That's a basic human nature understanding for me, it's not hard for me to believe at all.

ETA: Jenjackso, you just said the same thing I did, you beat me to it. LOL

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 12:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I have often thought that, for whatever reason, Kate used the reality show process as her "best friend". Just seeing the glimpses of her interactions with the interviewer/producer asking the questions last night reinforced that. In that way, I think the show contributed to the demise of the marriage. Kate was able to gain a confidant (and one that didn't talk back for the most part!) that easily replaced Jon in the day to day interactions.

Right now, because she still has the show, I think she's not completely alone,in her mind, and that has enabled her to ignore the need to seek other companionship. As Ahnicka said, parent/child relationships cannot (and should not!) take the place of adult interaction but right now, Kate is not completely alone except when the cameras are turned off and the producers and crew go home to their real families. That's when she has said she feels lonely, when the kids are in bed and she's alone in the house. It's rather sad that she's drawn together this crew to be her family (she says it's the core crew that she trusts more than anyone because they've never betrayed her) but it's all a mirage that disappears when cameras stop rolling.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I like Kate and I enjoyed her Q & A session.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 1:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Anyone else feel that the aunt & uncle are trying to get their own show or a show with Jon?

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
The most curious thing I've heard come from Kate's Q&A last night was that she wants to do movies. Is she telling us that she's an actress. Many people have accused her of acting on the show, is this confirmation that the show was scripted more than many even thought?

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
The continuation of what Kate said about that was:

"I would love to be in a movie at some point, I'd love to be the voice of a cartoon character in a movie, for my kids, I think that would be fun."

However, if she wants to work in entertainment in front of the camera or behind the camera, I see no problem with it, nor do I see a problem if Jon wants to do that too; although I think Jon would probably be more talented and successful behind the camera. Sometimes you don't realize that you like something until you stumble into it; that may be the case for both Jon and Kate with TV.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 2:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I read the above Baltimore article. I have read every post in this thread for a long long time...mos. if not longer. I did not see Monday's show. (I haven't seen the more recent shows.)

Kate is not my favorite person for sure. Jon is one of my least favorite. I'm definitely on the Kate side if it is K v. J.

I really believe that she IS doing all of this for the kids. (If she had no kids, would she do a reality tv show and enjoy it if for some reason the opportunity presented itself to her when she was a nurse?...maybe....but she nor we will ever know because that was not and will not ever be the situation.)

Of course she is going to benefit in some ways from it...she got to go on great trips with the kids, she earned a lot of money because people were interested in the story of the kids (and got to have a wonderful house etc.)

Most of what I do in life is in some way for my kids too. If I didn't have kids, I would do a lot of things really differently. My life would be very different.

I truly do not understand that a lot of people in the media do not believe that all of what she is doing is for the kids.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 2:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
Whoa, I forgot about this thread. So much to say so little time.

I'm not surprised Kate wants to be an actress in the movies, she's already done years of the small screen. I think she's been honing her acting skills all these seasons. If she hasn't already she needs to get herself a acting coach. I don't think she has a chance at becoming an actress in the movies. Even when portraying herself she seemed fake.

I can't stand that woman or Jon although I'm glad for him that he's away from her shrewish behavior. The kids no longer need t see their parents argue or belittle each other or wonder why mom and dad don't share a bed. The kids as small as they are had to have realized their parents had no love for each other.

I don't buy Kate saying everything she does is for her kids. I call a major BS on that. Kate does everything for Kate.

Jon appears to have a moron gene running through his DNA. There's nothing wrong with moving on but com'on buddy use a bit of discretion.

I admire Aunt Jodi bringing the idea of protecting kids from parents and others that make money off children in reality shows. I don't mean that kids can't do reality shows if the parents approve but the compensation should be there. In the J&K situation I'm lead to believe that only J&K saw compensation, which would not have been posiable if not for the kids and all their camera time. Granted J&K will use the money they received to help the family and kids but all parents who work use their money for family and kids tuition but most kids don't work along side their parents and receive no direct compensation.

So if any good comes out of the J&K mess maybe future kids in reality shows will have the law behind them.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 3:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Rissa, I'm confused by 'family and friends' not telling all about Kate. What family and friends? She's estranged from both her and Jon's family and no longer speaks to her friend who wrote her first book. The only people around her now are paid by her or TLC or are staff of TLC. So there isn't really anyone around Kate for the tabloids to seek out.

I came across this today and feel Jon had to see the writing on the wall after this interview.

Jon and Kate's Valentine's Day Interview by Kelly Dinardo

Mgmriver, I do think Kate can put on an act when she wants to. Jon; however, is just Jon and I believe that's why he was tired of the cameras after the marriage fell apart.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Accidental double post.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Tired of the cameras? Jon who holds court with the paparazzi, seeks them out, has regular appearances on ET is tired of the cameras? Umm, I don't think so.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 3:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
That's my point Cricket. If she is so hated then where are the stories? Not one person she has apparently alienated wanted a handful of cash to say something spiteful? I am not saying she is secretly best buddies with everyone she meets, just that the stories of her feuds may have been grossly exagerated. Not even an old frenemy from high school with a story about what a b* she was? Point being that in spite of my gut reaction to her I have to be fair and point out that it is just that... a gut reaction to the way she talks, looks, etc without anything concrete to back it up. She apparently has some very loyal and good friends or family because in all these months we still don't know where she hides out when she isn't at the family home. She has managed to maintain those support systems for quite awhile now.

Re: that interview. I completely understand their reaction. If Jon is truthful then the marriage ended over 4 months earlier. What were their options? Lie outright? I think when push came to shove they just couldn't take their deception to that level and got frustrated and out of the interview in a manner typical for each of them.

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 3:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
Loved the article, thanks for posting cricket.
Kate does not play nice w/ others.

Kate does not share.

TLC did a nice job on editing her last night.

Loved who said, only people that are being paid are "friends" of Kate right now.
The security guy, the babysitters and any helper.
LOL!

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 5:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Your welcome, Sherbabe. Did you read the other article by the Baltimore Sun guy? He is hysterical in his review of Kate's show last night. Here it is in case some missed it. I just feel like he takes the words right out of my brain in his frustration with Kate and questions, lol. She might make a good politician, as she never really answers the questions.

Kate Gosselin Answers No Questions

Rissa stated:
That's my point Cricket. If she is so hated then where are the stories? Not one person she has apparently alienated wanted a handful of cash to say something spiteful?

There have been articles wherein the nanny who took care of the babies the first year (paid for by Medicaid) stated Kate fired many people in a short time span. Also, the woman who wrote Kate's book said something quite awhile ago in an article. As I said, Kate is now surrounded by her bodyguards and people who work for her or TLC, so I don't think they can say anything at this time.

Her ex-boyfriend talked about her in an article. So there were people who gave interviews to the media/tabloids.

I think it's sad she has alienated so many people she could probably use in her life right now, but it seems she is content with TLC being her family and paying for everything.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
Some people only have "work" friends. It's easy to become friendly with the people you work with but not in-spite of personal friends. Some people can't maintain friendships and from what the show has shown us Kate does not have a best girl friend, I find that sad. But Jon also doesn't seem to have friends, well, yes he has "girlfriends".

With having so many kids at one time and all the work that goes into basic maintenance their relationship was stressed. And if Jon and Kate don't think that at some point the kids won't realize their inpact of being sextuplets had a hand in their parents break up...well then they are just fooling themselves.

Just like when Kate said the kids are doing well and have no ramification about doing the show and her telling them that when kids say things about watching the show to just say thank you but I don't want to talk about it. If the show was so harmless why cant the kids talk about it. Why is it an issue? Something doesn't sound right.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 5:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Kate is such a terrible person that she sent out of her lives the people who want to take advantage of her and use her and her children for their own gain. Gee, I can't understand that.

She should do like Jon, and hire nannies from bars that she can sleep with so they can then sell their stories to tabloids. Or she should invite her brother and sister-in-law over so they can appear on national television a few days later. Why can't this woman just open up and let these people in?????

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
TLC is doing a similar 'ask Michelle/JimBob' show on 19 Kids and Counting. I wonder how Kate forced TLC to do a show about them too?! LOL

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 6:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Texannie, I'm sure that's just a cover-up by TLC to throw people off the track!

(Said with tongue-in-cheek and great sarcasm!)

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 6:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
It's interesting hearing Jodi saying parents will do anything to get on a reality show....Hmmmmm wasn't SHE and her kids on a reality show? Wasn't that how this argument all got started? Kate wouldn't allow it so now they have a "cause" how nice.....gag

Personally, I think Kate did a good job last night She's taken the high road through all of this, and that can be hard! She has the same feelings going through this as everyone else getting a divorce. It would be easy to say what she's really thinking, but she refrains. I can respect that. She's shown a lot more restraint than I have for sure LOL.

I have to wonder, when this whole thing started, why did TLC seem to side with Kate. Had Jon played by the rules, would they have still stuck by Kate? WHat have they seen that we haven't?

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Like every other topic about the show it gets real messy. We don't know what actually wet down with Kevin and Jodi. They wanted to get paid when they were on? Kate said NO pay for them and cut her brother, sis in law and the kids cousins out of their lives? So now they have sour grapes or have they seen something after the fact that TLC hasn't shown us and are concerned?? Did they change their minds and is that allowed?

Just from what I've see on my little tv and what I've read, Kevin and Jodi seem sincere; a trait that neither Jon or Kate have shown me.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 6:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yankee_in_ca a private message Print Post    
How do we know Kate said no payment for Jodi and Kevin? Just curious.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
That's not quite what happened Lilfair. According to Jodi, TLC went to Kate and suggested they would like to pay Jodi because she was on the show so much, and babysat so much. Kate said "no way" and it was never even brought up to Jodi that she could have gotten paid. Aunt Jodi kept appearing without being paid, never even knowing about the offer. Then the next year, Jodi found out about never even being told she could be payed, and that Kate is the one who refused that whole idea. That would tick anybody off. So instead of agreeing to let her be payed, Kate cut them out of their lives.