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Naja
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06-28-2003

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 11:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
LOL, no problem, Onlyhuman. I think the show will be as enlightening as most of her interviews.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Brenda, try the Wayback Machine. It archives web pages forever. Really.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Oh surely you know I don't feel that way, Onlyhuman, and I never even suggested any of those things.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 12:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Tishala, I wasn't directing anything at you. I just am so frustrated by all the media types declaring their opinions about Jon & Kate or the Balloon Family or Octomom, as if the families are the only ones who try to make money off of these situations. I find it annoying. Maybe Barbara Walters should take a look in the mirror if the only way SHE can make a living is by going on TV and passing judgement on the very people her show and her network exploit.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I'd say that goes even more for the people on ET or whatever the other show is on that network.. Marie Osmond tried to just suggest that there might be a way to work with the balloon family without stripping the kids of parents and Necie whatever her name is and Gloria Allred were all over her shouting about harming children and going to prison. They almost sounded like the kid WAS in the balloon. But really, Gloria was getting her appearance and the others on the show were doing their nightly muckraking.. The Osmonds would do well to just back away from that type of "journalism".

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
LOL Seamonkey! Wasn't it ET that helped to put the Osmonds back on the map though? Between that and DWTS? I know they were already famous but they had kind of faded into obscurity until ET had them on the show every single day for months.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
It might have been.. I really try not to get sucked into those early evening tabloid shows on CBS and NBC.. they always end up with promos and teasers but the actual shows are either exasperating or pretty much like eating styrofoam.. tasteless, full of air..

I guess I kinda knew that Donny had been involved..

Justpassingby
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08-14-2007

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Justpassingby a private message Print Post    
I thought ET got Donny to do some commentary when Marie was on DWTS, and that's how they got involved there---.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
when you use the excuse that your reality show provides your children with a better living, it's time to start thinking of other ways to make a living.

I have to totally agree with that statement!

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
When you work on a network that exploits the people on Wife Swap to make money, maybe you should look for other ways to make a living.

When you make a living commenting on the life of other "celebrities" (which include reality people) and their succcesses and failures, maybe you better find another way to make a living.

I'm just saying...

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Ah ... exploitation is such a conundrum. It's hard to define who is the exploiter and who is being exploited.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 4:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
That's a slippery slope when we start deciding for others that their jobs are exploitative.. that could include an awful lot of jobs, depending on whose definition you use, including many of the accusers.

What about the consumers of any program that might be defined as expoitative.. well that could be so many, considering that children at home might be watching the shows.

Or people who gather online to discuss what they probably watched, if not the show, the coverage of the people on the show or the commentary of the coverage of the people on the show..

Maybe you really don't watch ANY such TV, but if you are commenting, posting links or talking about programs, that might influence someone else to watch or read, and then the people who write about, report on, pontificate about, criticize, defend, participate, well they may get more of an audience or make money or be gratified or sell pictures.

What about the sponsors of these shows, commentaries, websites, DVDs, etc.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 5:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree. A very slippery slope.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 5:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
All I am saying is...

Barbara Walters doesn't seem to have any problem with the company she works for making money off of families and kids by airing a show like Wife Swap while at the same time taking the parents to task for trying to make money off their family and kids.

I just find that that is a very high horse to have hoisted herself onto. I don't see Barbara lecturing her network about finding other ways to make money, I see her lecturing the families.

I realize it's a slippery slope and it's up to each individual to decide where they build their own retaining wall. I made a conscious decision to stop watching BB after 8 seasons of being an avid fan because I was not comfortable with the direction the show has taken. I don't expect others to feel the same way, and I still understand why people would want to be on the show. I get a little uncomfortable, however, when people who make a living in the entertainment business feel the need to lecture people who are also trying to make money in the entertainment business about the methods that they are employing.

sauce...goose...gander...yada yada

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 5:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Well the thing is that Ms Walters was, in fact, talking about Wife Swap in this instance: she didn't say this as something about Mrs Gosselin and/or Jon. So implicitly, it was a critique of her company for making money off families and kids. It just seemed to me that her comments were/are equally applicable to Mrs Gosselin, which is kind of ironic given the fact that The View had her as a guest co-host twice a few weeks ago and had her on the phone to feed her narrative about how poor she was and the children couldn't come to see the Statue of Liberty because production on the show was shut down.

So, yes. Ms Walters is nothing if not inconsistent: if it puts a dollar in her pocket, she is all for it, but otherwise it's scandalous. In this instance, I happen to agree with her. And FWIW, there are many things wrong with Ms Walters, but she never used her daughter to make money/advance in the entertainment industry.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 6:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
No, but she has certainly not shied away from making money off of interviewing those who have gone through pain or troubling times. She's used OTHER people's daughters/children/divorces to make money/advance in the entertainment industry.

Her show, The View, has discussed Alec Baldwin's problems with his kid, has certainly not shied away from the Jon and Kate situation, and even this balloon boy story. She, a third party, is making money through advertisers and viewers, off of the tribulations of real people, yet finds those that are making money off their own issues to be distasteful.

She's saying...it's okay for ME to make money off of YOU, but if YOU are making money off of you, you need to find another way to make money. I find it hypocritical and refuse to indulge it. I would feel the same way even if she was saying it about Jon, who I am not particularly fond of. You find it hypocritical but OKAY as long as she takes the same stance that you have of the people involved.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 6:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
And by not talking about her daughter until later on in life, it didn't prevent her daughter from walking a very troubled path.. but I guess at least the daughter could give permission when it came time for Barbara to cash in with the big reveal in "the most painful chapter" of her book, and gaining ratings by having her daughter on her show and others.

And being troubled also didn't mean her daughter was doomed.. she's turned out well, so it seems.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I do apologize, though, that I've taken this thread off track. In general, I have issues with people passing judgement on the life choices other people make and yet that's what I've seen on all of these media shows about Jon and Kate and now balloon family and it makes me feel defensive of people I don't even like! It's enough to make a person cranky! Hence my frustration at seeing the comment from BW.

Thank you all for tolerating my rants today.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Kate is going to have a 1 hour special on TLC next Monday where she answers all of our questions(ha!). I guess you can go to the TLC site and submit your own question.

Well, there's $75,000 for her piggy bank. I hope it will give her poor wee ones a decent meal. Does she have to share this income with Jon? TLC is showing complete favortism to Kate and I hope it comes back to bite them in the butt. The show died with only her on it. Even my granddaughter can't stand her. She was watching an old show today (won't watch the current ones) and she said this about the new shows:

"Why is it all about Kate? Isn't it supposed to be about the sextuplets?" Ummm..yep! She also said this week they were going to Florida. She asked why Kate couldn't just play with her children at home like Jon does. Another good question. That might be because since the children were babies, Jon was the playmate and entertainer. Kate didn't do much of that.

Speaking of sextuplets, it seems Kate doesn't like that word. She prefers to use 'multiples.'

I found this article from May where Kate was a guest at a parenting forum of all things. I loved this letter the woman who invited her wrote.

/newurl{http://www.detnews.com/article/20090521/OPINION03/905210449/1031#,Kate Gosselin Could Learn Parenting Lessons Herself}

It's an interesting article about the 4 G's of parenting. I don't think anyone will be having Kate as a 'parenting' expert any time soon if they've read this article. Once again, Kate made it all about Kate and less about the joy of parenting her lovely children.

I also came across an article that said she was to be @ a book signing from 6-9 PM, but was gone by 6:45 PM. There wasn't a large turnout (2 books) and that upset her, but not even the employees seemed to know why she left. One said it was because she was asked what she called a 'rude' quesion, so I'm curious to see what 'fluff' questions TLC will be giving her to keep her happy for the one hour special.

If the lady who wrote the above article was allowed to ask her questions, I'd tune in, but like so many so-called 'reality specials' I do believe this will all be scripted.

Re Barbara Walters..a bit hypocritical of her, eh?

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 5:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Ok I was home sick yesterday and I watched a few episodes... I see a few personality traits in Kate that I have maybe thats why I identify with her? But I can see why Jon drove her nuts... too laid back about stuff.

For whatever reasons, they are not longer a couple. But her being a shrew in the past is no reason for him to being the jerk he is now.

I dont blame her for trying to keep the show going, how else can she support the 8 kids? She cant depend on him, any good divorce lawyer will tell her she has to make her self very independent. Be able to support herself & the kids without his help.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 6:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I think if you put your family life on TV and write books about the family then you've open the door for people to comment, including Barbara Walters.

The upcoming episode with questions for Kate will be full of softballs questions to try to help prop up her image. And the answers will be scripted. ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

Kathyb
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05-17-2006

Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kathyb a private message Print Post    
Kitty, I agree. Being married to a passive/aggressive person is no picnic. While not as obvious to the observer, that lack of engagement, honesty and communication can wreak all sorts of havoc in a relationship.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 11:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Lil, The Duggars are doing something similar.

Kathyb, I see Kate as someone who wants something done NOW and done RIGHT. I see Jon as a slacker who will try to do things half a$$ esp if he dont think its necessary to be done in the first place. I am so like her and my dh is kinda like Jon (not as bad). But I take the time to explain to my dh why I wanted it done and I listen to him why he feels it can wait etc etc.

Sometimes I just do it myself LOL! But I learned everytime he does anything on his own I dont complain if it aint perfect. Just happy for any help I get!

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Well, there's $75,000 for her piggy bank. I hope it will give her poor wee ones a decent meal. Does she have to share this income with Jon?

Does Jon have to share his money with Kate too? Although I think Jon may have an overrated high estimation of himself and his worth (given the below article), I can't blame him (or Kate) for trying to make money to support his children and lifestyle.

Per TMZ:

Jon Gosselin sincerely believes his time and energy is worth somewhere around $12,000-per hour -- because that's how much he's demanding to appear on a Florida radio show.

TMZ spoke with the host of Tampa's MJ Morning Show who told us he contacted Gosselin's rep in the hopes of booking the reality star to guest co-host the show for one morning.

The radio show offered two first class round trip plane tickets, limo service and a "first class" hotel room -- but that wasn't enough to seal the deal.

Gosselin's rep requested an "appearance fee ... in the 10-12K range."

Team Gosselin justified the amount by saying, "[Jon's] name and appearance on your show will instantly draw press ... and will be a high point for the show." The rep also describes Gosselin as "quite funny, sharp witted and interesting."

The radio host tells us he "fell out of his chair" when he read the demand. Looks like Jon will have to go back to "Entertainment Something" to lock down that kind of money.


Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
They both have to share all their money with each other until the divorce is final. It all goes into a common pool for the settlement.