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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
And hopefully he isn't smoking around them and hopefully they weren't home when he had the first girlfriend sunbathing at their home, before any divorce papers were filed. Oh and hopefully they won't have to see the photos out there.. well I guess that means I DO think what he does when he isn't caring for the kids does matter.

As for him getting any free trips and endorsement deals now, well surely no one thinks he would have a prayer of getting any of this if he didn't happen to be the father of these 8 kids.. so he's still making the money at their (emotional) expense and so is his girlfriend.

But I'm guessing that any deals made now are not part of community property, so that should make him feel "accomplished" I suppose.

Stacey718995
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07-05-2007

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
But, unfortunately that is the path they chose for their children. Probably not guessing that this would be the big picture.

Those kids entire life and family issues are forever documented. Yes they can google their dad and see these pictures. But, they can also watch the show and see the way their mom and dad acted toward one another. They can google public articles that have quotes their mom made about their dad, it is never ending and neither parent has made good choices when it comes to those kids.
There is no escaping it now. Neither can live in a hole now and be left alone no matter if that is what they want or don't want. They are forever changed due to the choice they made and sadly the kids had no say in it.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't think it is realistic to expect Jon will never date or be seen or photographed with another woman. It may be too soon for some people but I doubt that the children are keeping track of the time.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
If I am to believe this: "surely no one thinks he would have a prayer of getting any of this if he didn't happen to be the father of these 8 kids.. so he's still making the money at their (emotional) expense" I have to also believe this: surely no one thinks she would have a prayer of getting any of this if she didn't happen to be the mother of 8 kids...so she's still making money at their (emotional) expense.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Oh of course he will date. But in real life I'd bet his attorney would be advising him to keep a low profile until the dust settles on the custody arrangement. Maybe put off being seen shopping at Gucci in Cannes with a young woman that he was "dating" before filing. But I doubt that Jon is listening to that sort of advise. After all he grew up being entitled to drifting in Europe and now he's BAAACK and able to leave those pesky kids back home.

This seems more like getting attention than "dating". And yeah, it is to be expected I guess. Any publicity is good.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 2:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
I thought PA was a no fault state. Jon and Kate are both allowed to date.

I don't think that will impact the courts decision.

I always thought that them wanting to share custody by them alternating time in the house was a noble thought however as time passes and each goes on with their lives it'll be more and more difficult to live up to that noble idea.

I'm predicting when all is done with the divorce it'll be only one parent, Kate, living in that house full time. With Jon getting traditional visitation and alternating holidays.

It's obvious that Jon loves those kids but sharing the house will not work especially if he's got one special lady/chick in his life. Kate will ask the courts to now allow him to bring her into the house as a living companion.

It's truly a mess. Those kids are going to have to adjust and it won't be easy.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 2:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Tisha.. I agree, but I was posting about Jon. Absoulutely Jon, Kate, Jodi, the brother, the teenage kid who spoke for a whole neighborhood to say they didn't wave at him and thus were unfriendly, and both girlfriends wouldn't get any recognition if there weren't these 8 kids. Same with TLC and all the other shows they've cross promoted.

Sorry didn't see your post while I was posting.. I forget to scroll up in a thread after I post.

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I agree that the house sharing sounds good and I guess some people have managed it, but it doesn't allow for real moving on for either parent.

I sort of liked the Melissa Etheredge solution where they had houses next door (in the case of J/K there could easily be another house on that huge property) and the kids could go back and forth to access both parents.

I'm sure PA is no fault regarding divorce, though apparently they did have to state that they'd been "apart" for 2 years due to an arcane state rule for getting a no fault divorce.

I was talking about custody where I assume they DO evaluate the parents for fitness to have custody.

And there's also divorce settlement financial type issues.. in a way this is good for Kate that Jon is showing he's managing to earn money/have a possible job, so less likely to demand and get spousal supprt from her. Plus since his star seems to be rising and hers falling in the moneymaking dept, maybe she'll get some support from him. Yeah, right.. but ya never know.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 6:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Where would these kids be if they hadn't had the television show? The parents might or might not be together. They be stuck in a too small house, with little or no outside of home experience. Even part time nursery school would have been a lot of money for six toddlers. Jon is hardly a gogetter and seemed to get more stressed than Kate when he was alone with them. Kate couldn't take care of them alone and work. Friends and family can only do so much. Compensation for home workers is expensive.

The parents might well have been divorced a lot sooner and Kate might have gone on welfare and food stamps by now. I think they were doing what they could to do the best for their children. If the parents also have more because of the kids, so what? The kids have a better life because their parents permitted them to be televised even though it showed the parents warts and all.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 7:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
The kids have a better life because their parents permitted them to be televised even though it showed the parents warts and all.

That is totally subjective. Not to mention impossible to predict. Maybe yes, may no. No way to ever know for sure. But I doubt it big time.

I know Kate is very responsible and little house or not, the kids would have been just fine. I bet they would still be together. Jon would never have seen footage of Kate belittling him. He would not have his friends question how or why he would stay with such a wife. Kate would likely have started working close to fulltime by the kids were in school fulltime. Kate and Jon would have had little time together, therefore little time to get in fights or annoyed with the way each other breathes...

Money does not buy happiness. A bigger house maybe. More vacations. But not happiness.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Actually, studies have shown that people who have money are happier than those who don't, but that's not the point. Nothing is more depressing that not being able to feed your family. A family of ten needs a lot of money just to be above the poverty level. Without a lot of help they would have drown under the work of it all. Taking care of all those children at once takes a toll and to have to earn enough to feed them, child that he is, Jon would have bailed long ago.

I cannot figure out why Kate is the bad guy. She told Jon to his face when she wasn't happy about something, but in EVERY show as Kate was facing the camera, Jon was making faces and mocking her. Personally, I think Kate is better off without him and should have married someone a little more mature than Jon. I really hope he is happy with his new playmate. With all those kids, I doubt Kate will find a mate soon, but I think she will be quite happy with her children whether or not she finds romantic love. She might even find that she is happier without that ninth child.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 8:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree that it would be very expensive to maintain a family that size. Yes people do it but rarely with so many of the children at exactly the same age and with very similar needs. No one knows for sure but IMO it was a good decision to do the show despite the outcome. If they had not done the show they could be in very similar shape today but with no money.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 6:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Growing up I knew a dozen or more families with ten, twelve, and fifteen kids, but they were spread out over a couple of decades (and more in some cases.) Only two that I can think of had much money, but everybody managed somehow -

Txhazeleyes
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02-12-2008

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 6:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Txhazeleyes a private message Print Post    
You're right, Jimmer, no one knows because none of us have the power of foretelling the future. None of us know their financial status. I have friends who make a heck of a lot more money than me but have but they're what I'd call broke! lol

Jon coming up on GMA in this segment. I'll be looking forward to see whether they ask him whether he considered his children before going public with his new relationship 20 days after he filed for divorce.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Here's the video of the segment they did on Jon on GMA today.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/CelebrityCafe/story?id=8082889

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 9:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Do you really think they would be without money if they hadn't done the show? Haven't all multiples in the past 20+ years managed to survive without being in the poor house? They survive on donations, promotions, and the community.

WRT to PA being a no fault state and Jon dating, what does that have to do with anything. It's the perception that he's out dating before the divorce ink is even dry that's a PR nightmare. Sure it's legal. But is it smart?

Money does NOT guarantee happiness. It only makes life a little easier to live.

(No, I don't watch this show. But I've been appalled from the beginning when I first heard about the show, and nothing much has changed my opinion of Jon, Kate, TLC, or anyone associated with this.)

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
ITA with Costa. They would have been absolutely fine without the show. Better I would imagine. Sure no fancy vacations, no huge house. But I bet they'd still have Kevin and Jodi. And I bet they'd be together. At least for a lot lot longer...

Costa is absolutely right about money making things easier, but does not guarantee happiness. Often causes more unhappiness in many areas.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
I so want his 15 minutes of fame to end........
So, so disrespectful.
And Kate is a far better person then I am. I would not want my soon to be ex bringing a new girlfriend into the family home.

Scoutmom
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01-19-2006

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scoutmom a private message Print Post    
Saw this a few minutes ago from In Touch Weekly:

Less than a month after separating from his wife, an insider close to Jon & Kate Plus 8 star Jon Gosselin says Jon has proposed to his new girlfriend, 22-year-old Hailey Glassman! “Jon has been telling everyone that he loves her and she loves him, so why waste time?” says the insider, adding that Jon presented Hailey with a $180,000 engagement ring designed by Edouard Nahum — featuring a skull surrounded by four black diamonds — during a romantic getaway to St. Tropez on July 12. “They started dating two months ago and they both just knew the other was the one instantly.” The couple was in the French Riviera to meet with Ed Hardy clothing designer Christian Audigier, who tells In Touch, “We had a great time.” The two stayed in a $2,000-a-night room at the Chateau de la Messardiere, drank champagne and ate lobster after an afternoon on Christian’s yacht, and went shopping in Antibes. Christian helped them celebrate their engagement on July 13. “They all went out to the V.I.P Room nightclub in St. Tropez after dinner,” says another source close to the group. “Hailey was flashing her ring around and they were kissing and hugging.”

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Yeah right, I'm totally confidant that Jon is achin' to jump back into married life!!! I didn't know In Touch was so Nat'l Enquirer!!

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 11:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
If it is true, I really would like to see that engagement ring. It sounds hideous.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Jon disgusts me now. Actually, I've been disgusted with him for awhile now. It is awful that he is behaving this way. I'm glad the People mag. person in that GMA clip pointed out that Kate got so much bad press when it was Jon's behavior that started this whole thing.

What he is doing is so bad for his children. He is acting very selfishly and immaturely. His kids deserve better. He is also teaching them that it is OK to do what he is doing.

Kate said they would have gotten divorced anyway even if they had never done the show. I think Jon would have these same struggles about being too young to be this tied down even without the show.

Kate is not perfect and has said she wishes she would have talked to Jon in a different way/not been so hard on Jon...something like that. At least she has seen this and tried to do better, she said she was working at doing better. Of course it is too late...but...if she says they would have gotten divorced anyway even if they hadn't done the show, I believe her. I think she has learned from all of this and I am so glad the kids have her as their mom. At least they have one parent (Kate) who seems to have their best interests at heart...one parent who seems to me to be responsible ...who behaves responsibly (overall, not every single moment of every single day...who does...yes she has had her faults like everyone) with her children's emotional well being in mind. Unlike Jon.

I would cringe when she would bad mouth their dad in front of the kids and I would cringe when she would say derogatory things about boys and men in front of the kids, I don't see that as good parentiing. I also don't see that as being NEARLY as bad as Jon going out getting a girlfriend and being public about it while still married.

As far as Kate criticizing Jon on screen, for things like breathing...I bet if things were different for them in their relationship, his breathing so loudly wouldn't have bothered her so. Yes, she should have censored herself more. I hope she has learned to do that. She also praised him, complimented him and was affectionate towards him at times on screen.

Jon was also very critical of Kate on screen and I don't ever remember seeing him praise her, compliment her or be affectionate towards her. Not that there is anything wrong with that either, some people are just very private and Jon said in an earlier ep, the Fla. vactaion for his birthday ep, that he doesn't like to show emotion to the camera. But I point all this out because Kate has been SO unfairly slammed in the media and on the msg. boards.

I just think that Jon's voice was quieter about it. I think women's voices tend to be more irritating than men's overall, generally and so it is more noticeable. And I don't think I'm saying what I mean very clearly.

When you watch the old footage, a lot of the time, Kate was very affectionate and verbally praising the kids. Jon was monotone, gruff, barking orders at the kids and impatient a lot more than Kate, imo. Sure Kate had her moments when she was upset, like with the broken drawer handle, but overall I see her as being much more pleasant towards the kids.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
At this point, I think In Touch publishes more crap then the Enquirer. They just fabricate stories out of whole cloth.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 1:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
It's not just In Touch who is reporting this. Both GMA and The Today Show talked about the Christian Audigier connection (really? Jon is qualified to help design shirts becuz he loves motorcycles?). And I did hear about the engagement.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
maybe In Touch could have gotten ONE named source instead of finding "sources" who hide behind their anonymity. Better yet, they could have gone to Mr Gosselin, who says the story is wrong.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I agree. InTouch is the worst of the bunch.