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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 1:56 pm
My take on it was that when he had other plans with Hailey, it wasn't an issue. Now that those plans have gone south, it is. I still don't believe this to be true until Kate says she said it, but that is an excellent point, Sabbatia. That's very true, it was a non-issue until the plans with Hailey became uncertain.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 2:07 pm
That's the way it is in my custody agreement also, we alternate Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day. Also if my DS is with me on Thanksgiving, he's with his dad that same year on Christmas. We shared birthdays up until he was 14 and didn't want the big party thing any more. Now we do two smaller individual parties.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 2:10 pm
I'm not forgetting anything, but "Jon says" doesn't mean squat to me and IF she did know it was over and say that, then it wasn't a mistake, it was true. And seems like by now, it is true: it is over. And I couldn't begin to say what Kate thought or didn't think about Jon. I wonder if that "contract" that Kate allegedly drew up ever existed? I can see that JON HAS drawn up strange contracts, at least the one he asked Kate Major to sign. We haven't seen the alleged contract with the nanny/bartender chick, but I think his team has been offended because she signed something and her mother sure has talked about it. Probably each time he signed the TLC contracts, she thought he would honor them. But, I can't even say that, just seems logical.. === Thanksgiving.. well Jon talked about going to Hailey's parents for Thanksgiving on national tv so seems like Kate could assume he wasn't planning to be several hours away at the same time. She invited Steve and his family which might be awkward considering Jon's slanderous allegations against Steve. Wonder if Jon was planning to call and ask "what can I bring for the dinner?" Nah.. probably figured Kate would love feeding him too. I suspect he never planned to be there at all, but has been feeding out the various poor me statements to make Kate look bad or gain more sympathy. Heck, he has a mother and he's been spending time with her lately, why isn't he with her for this holiday. And it sounds like he will have the kids on Friday so what is the big deal? He can be fun dad and feed them lots of crap and junk food and then return them to Kate to cope with the aftermath.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 2:10 pm
Wow .. you shared birthdays Karuuna ... your a better person than me. I don't share any holidays or my son's birthday with his father. Jon and Kate will figure it out and its not going to be fair to everyone but that's just the way it'll be.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 2:38 pm
Vacanick, it was written into our agreement (standard plan via our state), so we had to. We just always did them at places other than our homes to make it easier - so parties at local arcades, swim parks, or skating or bowling or whatever. Paint Ball when he was older. I actually never had a problem being polite to my ex. I know it was harder for him, he held a grudge for a long long time. Maybe still does and hides it better now? 
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Jhonise
Member
07-10-2003
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 3:01 pm
Radaronline has pics of Jon bringing red roses to the arbitration meeting with Kate this morning. I really don't get this guy. http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-jon-gosselin-brings-flowers-kate-arbitration-meeting
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 3:07 pm
I see they're still working on rehabbing his image. Media stunt. Very laughable. Keep trying Jon.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 3:35 pm
Karuuna maybe if my son's father and I had an agreement like yours we would have had to learn to work together. As it is, everything we do is seperate. My son has never know it any other way. Its an interesting idea!
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 3:48 pm
Wow, no matter what Jon does, it's the wrong thing for many. This guy doesn't stand a chance. Someone stated it best yesterday. When he was released from the marriage, he was like a rebelious teen. He's now trying to grow up and go through the next phase. Ahnicka stated: Cricket, it's hard to say because I'm a bit different from you in that I don't put validity on the things Jon says, as well as the aunt, uncle, lawyer, manager, etc Wow! We're coming from totally different places then. I put more stock in what those above say than Kate. I feel she has been trying to remake herself into someone she never was. Re some saying Kate may have wanted to sow her wild oats, she was engaged pretty young until her fiance broke it off. She met him when he was 17 and she was 18; they were to marry, but he broke it off. He said she was pressuring him to marry her when she was 21 and he 20. So I think she wanted to get married, not sow wild oats. Here is a snippet from her book, Multiple Blessings: Kate Gosselin: I'll say it again: Like most little girls, I had dreamed of the day when I would meet my husband, have children, and settle down to live a happily-ever-after kind of life." The visitation wouldn't bother me or others who have responded on the net one bit if Kate hadn't professed to the world with teary eyes that she would do anything in this world to make sure her children had both parents at birthdays and holidays (shades of Scarlett O'Hara) and she's not holding true to that. Did she ever mean it, or was it just a tear jerker moment for the show?
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 4:01 pm
Actually, Kate never said that she would do everything to make sure both parents were there. She said she would do whatever she needed to make sure that SHE didn't spend the holidays away from her kids. So far, she hasn't spent the days away from her kids. I think she isn't thinking long term, personally. This year, the holidays seem to be falling on her weeks, but that won't always happen. They will have to work out some kind of sharing if she DOES want to be with them on those days. But she did not say anything about making sure the kids had both parents at all events. Oh, and if Kate trying to remake herself is bad and proves she's a "liar" what does Jon trying to remake himself over and over and over again prove? Because Jon actually is a PROVEN liar on top of his attempts to remake himself so he must be doubly untrustworthy, right??
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 4:13 pm
Cricket, since you asked what we thought of Jon's claim that Kate is refusing him time with the kids on Thanksgiving, what do you think of Sabbatia's point, when she pointed out that Jon spending time with the kids was a non-issue until his plans with Hailey fell through?: My take on it was that when he had other plans with Hailey, it wasn't an issue. Now that those plans have gone south, it is.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 4:15 pm
Wow, no matter what Jon does, it's the wrong thing for many. The same can be said this way: Wow, no matter what Kate does, it's wrong for many...or at least some. Even when it's not Kate who's pulling all the absurd acts, it's her who gets blamed for it. I'm with Karuuna (I think that's who said it earlier), when Jon starts doing different and being genuine, and stops trying to throw Kate under a bus subtlely and not so subtlely, which doesn't need to be done in the eye of the paparazzi, then I'll reconsider his sincerity and him as a person. Right now he's still posing for the paps in an attempt to rehab his image and sink Kate.
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Moderator
Moderator
06-29-2002
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 4:19 pm
Ahem! Posting your opinion about OTHER POSTERS IS NOT PERMITTED!
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 4:42 pm
My take on it was that when he had other plans with Hailey, it wasn't an issue. Now that those plans have gone south, it is. Yesterday, I posted the convo between Jon/Hailey wherein Hailey started an argument because Jon said her parents' house 'was on his schedule.' He intended to see his chldren and then go to Hailey's parents before she twittered what she did yesterday. He was on ET the other night saying Kate said he couldn't be there. Beekind posted this earlier: Former "Jon and Kate Plus 8" star Jon Gosselin was reportedly going to spend a few hours with the children on Thanksgiving day; however, those plans seem to be changing thanks in part to Kate. Jon made a brief appearance from Hawaii on Thursday night's episode of "Entertainment Tonight," and in it he gave a brief shout-out to his kids, saying that he would see them "the day after" (when he has custody for sure) in the event that he wasn't able to see them for the holiday itself." I happened to see that segment of ET myself. He intended to go there. I am not trying to defend Jon here. I'm just stating facts and feel badly for the children. It would have been nice if both parents could be with them for this Thanksgiving and Christmas. Next year is another thing. ETA: Moderator, if it's possible, could you please delete my 3:30 post. Didn't realize I had posted it..was looking for Beekind's earlier post. Thank you. <done>
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 4:50 pm
Cricket, thanks for responding. I recall that convo when they were on ET or The Insider, but I don't recall Jon saying he was going to see his kids, he only stated it was on his schedule to go to Hailey's family's home. I also think I read the post you're speaking of and I don't recall any mention of spending it with the kids. My memory could be mistaken, I just don't recall that part of the conversation or post.
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Kathyb
Member
05-17-2006
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 5:23 pm
I don't think it's a good idea for 'warring' parents to be together on holidays for the sake of the children. The tension must be fierce, and both parents unhappy. The kids are going to have to get used to the idea that their parents are no longer together sooner or later.
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Kathyb
Member
05-17-2006
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 5:26 pm
Jon and Kate -- The Final Curtain Posted Nov 21st 2009 7:10PM by TMZ Staff http://www.tmz.com/ Jon and Kate Gosselin's divorce is heading to a conclusion, after a contentious day today at the arbitration table. We've learned even Jon isn't contesting that Kate should get primary custody and a decision on who gets what in the money department will be handed down within 30 days. Sources tell us the two issues on the battlefield are the distribution of assets and child support. In Pennsylvania, the courts award "equitable" distribution when it comes to property, but that doesn't necessarily mean 50/50. Sources tell us neither party asked for spousal support. We're told Jon and Kate actually agreed to the amounts certain items were worth, but they were far apart on issues relating to how the assets should be distributed. The arbitration was supposed to last two days -- today and Monday -- but it all got handled today. Both Jon and Kate testified in the arbitration today. The decision of the arbitration is binding on both of them. Filed under: Celebrity Justice, Jon & Kate
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 6:33 pm
I think it's nice that Jon brought roses. Perhaps they can again find a common ground for the sake of the children. That would be my hope for all of them.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 6:37 pm
I think it was nice as well. I would have been more impressed if he didn't leave the meeting and head straight for the closest pap to tell them how the arbitration went. Man hasn't met a camera or microphone he didn't like. LOL Good sign that they apparently settled everything in one shot.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 6:41 pm
I don't see how it could be a 50/50 split...9 people get 50 percent and Jon gets the other 50. I does not compute for me.
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Glenrie
Member
03-24-2006
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 6:46 pm
I doubt it's over yet. Jon didn't bother abiding by the last decision of the arbitrator.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 6:50 pm
OG, I was wondering the same thing. Perhaps they split it 50/50 and then Jon's 50 is considered his income and child support is based on that? Or they could negotiate something more like 80/20 (just pulling #'s outa the air to make a point) and then Kate agrees not to pursue child support? I have never been through a divorce or have any family who has (I know, what are the odds? LOL) so not sure how it is worked out when you have two parents with lots of material/money but no real employment.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 7:01 pm
The property does not have to do with child support most likely. (in CA it does not) The kids do not own the house, furnishing etc. The property either belongs to one spouse or the other (such as if they came into the marriage with specific pieces of property like furniture, art, cds whatever) or both of them together (community property). It is the community property that is subject to equitable distribution. "In Pennsylvania, the courts award "equitable" distribution when it comes to property, but that doesn't necessarily mean 50/50. " This means that the community property will not necessarily be split exactly equally. Child support will be based on each spouse's income/potential to earn etc. It is a totally separate issue from the property division issue.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 7:34 pm
When my grandparents got divorced, they signed the house over to the children. LOL....it's a thought anyway.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 7:37 pm
Thank you Happy, makes sense. Something I found interesting is that sources say they agreed on values, it's the distribution of assets that needs the arbitrator to decide on. Guess that settles the issue of Kate hiding money, another lie from the Jon camp. Jon and his lawyer would not have ended the arbitration if they believed there was money not on the table, especially the *million dollar book deal* Jon kept talking about.
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