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Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I'm one that subscribes to the non spanking phylosophy but so be it, I realize many parents, caretakes,etc spank kids. For me it was disturbing to see especially since we've, well, I, have never seen any sort of violence used as discipline by them before.

I also noticed what a mess that garage looked to be, also something I wouldn't expect. But if Jon isn't around to clean for Kate I suppose it makes sense.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 8:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
don't the experts say a spanking correlates to the level of frustration of the parent, and not to the infraction of the child? I would imagine that kate is under a lot of stress so it would seem reasonable to me that she would be pushed over the edge to spanking. (and the junk piled up in the garage may push her over the edge too!) However, as pointed out, without seeing it in full video form, in context, it's impossible to know what was really happening, and the swatting away of a bug seems like a very reasonable explanation.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 8:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
I would doubt that they would actually show them spanking the kids on the TV show. That doesn't mean that they don't normally do it or normally do it.

Kellsma
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08-28-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 8:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellsma a private message Print Post    
Just saw a news story about this this morning. Apparently a cop showed up as well to talk to her as they have a series of pictures on the cover of the magazine. Also, the ratings are steadily declining. This past Monday had 1 million less viewers then the week before so they are now at about 3 million and the season premier was almost 10 million so steadily declining.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 8:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I agree Mamie -- they would not show spanking on TV -- not on this show. Maybe on the Nanny, as something you don't do. Spanking is not considered a societal norm any more, not like when I was a kid and we all got spanked. If people still do it, they only do it in private. You can have cps knocking on your door for it.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Give me a break.
With 8 kids if they are not disciplined the kids will take over.I cannot imagine she was physically abusing this child. If it is the child that I am thinking of she is a handful. It has to be hard to be patient with that many children 24/7, 365. Makes me tired to think if it........

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
Swatting at bees, ok it's a possibility but I'm buying Kate losing it and spanking. Without Jon there even with a Nanny she's got to be stressing out. She's never had close girlfriends on the show and that is what I think she needs now, a close girlfriend to talk to and someone to confide in especially now that Jon is gone.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Around the same site, they also said they (KEv & wife)haven't seen the family for more than a while(can't remember, more than 6 mon., since that's how I got suspicious.), but still posts as experts to tell us how one of the little ones had told them their dislike of having cameras in their face all the time

Chy, I posted about the kids and Aunt Jodi. They did an interview and Jodi said when she used to babysit them (which has been awhile now) the little ones told her they didn't want the cameras on their vacations.

Kevin said in that interview that he talks to Kate. I think there is a definite distance between Jodi and Kate now.

I don't know anything about a swatting incident, but if it was Mady, it was long time coming. That kid needs some counseling for her own benefit.

I just saw a pic of Kate's bodyguard. He's tall and handsome. When did she get a bodyguard and why? Shouldn't John have been her bodyguard? I also read an unbelievale article about a contract between them (after the spearation that John could have girlfriends and Kate could see the bodyguard)...What?? Has anyone heard of that. As some said yesterday once the emotinal part is gone; divorce paper or no...it's done. Maybe it was coming for a long time so to us it's sudden, but for them it isn't sudden.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
What happened to time out?! Violence begets violence no matter what kind of violence. You yell at your kids and you teach them to yell, you slap and they learn to strike out in anger. Time out teaches how to think things over and move on.

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
It wasnt Maddie, it was one of the younger ones

Cyclope
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09-13-2005

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cyclope a private message Print Post    
I don't post a lot but I read your comments often... I've been watching J&K+8 since the beginning and with the report of the rating going down it is just confirming my own though on the "product" itself. My interest to watch is to see the "normal" life of a "abnormal" family and how they deal with this. Since last year all the shows are either with celeb guests &/or trips involved. I don't tune in to watch a variety show and that's what it feels like to me now. I have not watched this week and I didn't care. As far as their marriage goes or the spanking, it's their personal life and I won't judge that but in my opinion they need to be careful, the paps are a brutal invasion that ruins life. At this point, if it was my family, I would pull out of this before it's too late. She is portrayed very badly and it could...no no... it will get worst.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Wow, Annie, I thought about it a lot but never had it organized enough to put it in words:

i can't help but wonder if it wasn't all of us arm chair analysts insinuating that jon wasn't a man for putting up with kate or jon was a fool for doing so, or kate was a shrew or kate was manipulative that made them doubt the mechanics of their marriage.

Now that we're shown new & old epies mixed together, I have to say Jon looked rather happy being whatever Kate "assigned" him to be. Be it diaper duty or the one with trouble verbalizing thoughts(remember I count myself in this category!). Jon may looked frustrated here and there, but it worked. It worked until many posters started to label them, that is.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Chewpito. I went back and read the article. I'm kind of with Supergranny that time out would work better. Maybe a great episode would be Supernanny visiting the Gosslins, eh?

The looks on Maddy and Cara's faces were priceless. You could see the were surprised and felt for the little one. However, I'm not going to bash a swat, as if they aren't using time out and she was told to stop using the whistle, but defied her Mom, she needs to learn there are consequences. I'm shocked at all the boxes in the garage. I can't believe Kate would let it be like that...Oh yeah..she doesn't have John there to pick it up.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
I have to disagree,I was spanked, I am not violent in any way,shape,form or fashion.I have spanked when it was needed.My husband is a better argument, he grew up getting his brains beat out every other day until he left the home.He is not violent,cant stand yelling and DOES spank,when need be.His brother grew up in the same house and is a monster to put it lightly.I am a believer you form your own personality,you LEARN from being wronged. I will not dare say people who Beat their kids are not responsible for their actions,it is horrible, irresponsible and there IS NO excuse. I don't go for timeouts,but that's me.You can't make a child think about what they have done while they are in time out,their little minds are free to roam wherever they may.Instead I do sentences,I can't make my daughters think about what they did to get in trouble,but if they are sitting there writing 100 times "I will never lie to my parents again" it's kinda hard not to think about it,dontcha think? I am not perfect,about as far as I can be from it,but I say whatever works for your family is what works and is no one's business but the ones involved as long as no one is being injured or neglected like these "rags" want us to believe.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Annie,Chy, I agree. I have thought the same thing myself several times.If you constantly hear the same thing over and over again,pretty soon you start to believe it,ESPECIALLY if you are the passive person that Jon appears to be. After enough "Man,I wouldn't take that $#hit" 's,I guess he started seeing their take on it. And also,I have to say,if this was the case,if i said once in my life I've said it a hundred times.Misery LOVES company.
I speak from personal experience,as my husband's brother tried for YEARS to sway my husband over to "his corner" and yeah,the 1st few times we did end up arguing.Then Hubby started seeing that we have a perfectly fine relationship and his brother has been separated 3 times and put in rehab twice,so it didn't take a genius to figure out his misery needed my husbands company.Sucks to be him!!

Dfennessey
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07-25-2004

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfennessey a private message Print Post    
I was spanked as a child. I was not beaten. I was only grounded once My parents had rules (like if you are home sick from school NO TV.) and they enforced that. My mother did not work. No going out after dinner on a school night. No TV until homework was done. I believe there is a difference between spanking a child and beating a child. I do know that my parents loved me and they would never beat me.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
good post Lori32!

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Same here Dfennessey.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Daycares provide care for many kids at a time and they do not resort to spanking.

I think it's time for another crossover -- Super Nanny!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
If this does not lead Kate to pull the plug, I just don't know what will.

She will likely get very "roasted" for this.

Even though I think a swat IS a spank and I don't think any kind of physical punishment is ever called for, I do not think that Kate's kids are in any physical danger. Mental danger, emotional danger?? That is a whole different story. And yes, they are in that kind of danger and will be until their parents get a grip and get their family off of the TV, the rag mags and the internet.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Well different stuff works for different kids. Like sitting in the corner works very well on my kids, diffuses the situation nicely. BUT, there are those rare occurances where the direct disobedience and rebelliousness cannot be thwarted with the corner. A swat ensues. A "HEY, this stops NOW". A snap back to reality.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I don't know anything about a swatting incident, but if it was Mady, it was long time coming.

It was Leah.

I just saw a pic of Kate's bodyguard. He's tall and handsome. When did she get a bodyguard and why?

Actually, most bodyguards are tall and handsome. LOL
She's had him for quite a long time. Why? Because the American public can be quite frightening.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 11:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
If spanking works so well then why would any parent need to do it more than once? (that was OT LOL) If you asked my dad, he would tell you that spanking is mandatory for raising kids but I am one of four and was spanked once, another sister once, third never and brother twice. In our house you didn't EVER lay a hand on anyone out of anger or frustration. We were told what our punishment would be and sent to our rooms to think about it. Then brought back up, spoken to until the issue was resolved (oh god that was the WORST part) and then we rec'd our punishment (be it grounding, chores, time-out or the spanking). My own children have never been spanked, I believe that my job as a parent is to teach my girls self-control, self-discipline and spanking achieves neither. That's off-topic but an indication of where I am coming from personally. A per the photo: I think this is a complete non-issue, while I think spanking is a waste of time and usually just a frustration outlet for the parent and not a productive tool ... I don't think Kate is abusive. However the attention she will get from this is just one more brick in the wall..... cancel the dang show!!!!! I am glad to see the viewership dropping each week, hopefully we won't have to wait until the last lookie-loos give up interest and TLC (or Kate/Jon) will see the light.

ETA: Yeh Julie LOL

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
I can tell you that while my parents did spank me as a child, they never had to spank me twice for the same offense.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 11:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
I would doubt that they would actually show them spanking the kids on the TV show.

My dvr is playing "Raising Sextuplets" from WE. Just now when I saw the cap of Kate swatting and reading all your reactions, Jenny the mommy gave Blake the baby boy a nice swat on the hand.

He had gotten away from the cousin who's watching the boys while Jenny baths the three girls. He walked in, tried to get in the tub. Mom said: it's not your turn yet. Lil' boy grabbed a hold of a baby girl's shampooed hair causing her to scream in pain. Mom immediately unlock his grip and gave him a sure swat at the had while saying: No, we don't do that.

Given those babies are only 16 months old, that was probably my reaction right there and then also. You can't reason with him that well yet. You can't leave the other babies in the tub and walk him to a corner.

We've all seen how the J&K made kids go to the corner for time outs. I'm sure there was some reason or other happenings.

BTW, it seems the dad Brian still works 4 days a week while mom Jenny works Friday, Sat. & Sun. at this point. It was interesting to watch them argue when Brian refused to take diaper duty after work. Sorry to talk about other shows here. But it is rather interesting.