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Rissa
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03-19-2006

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 5:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Bee, you are on your own with the intervention :-) but Jon spent Thanksgiving in Utah snowboarding with friends apparently.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 5:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
LOL GAL!

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 6:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Of course he did. Sigh!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 6:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Both were spouses with relationship deficiencies.
Both love (the feeling) their children, but one Loves their children enough to put them first.
I never watched the show but think it's a shame that the kids lost an income that made life so much easier for them.
I am a Jon/Kate-aholic and require serious intervention. LOL

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 6:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
kar, you never watched the show??? when/how did your addiction start?
i feel vested cause i feel like i have watched these babies grow up.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 7:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
No, Annie, caught a few moments here and there flipping thru channels; and of course I kept up through reading this thread all along. I got sucked in when Jon started acting like a fool, and my heart just started aching for those little ones for what their parents were putting them through, most especially their dad.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 7:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
i think that's why everyone gets so passionate/heated in this thread. this situation seems to strike home with so many people..women suddenly finding themselves a single parent; spouses of men dealing with custody issues from his first marriage; children of divorce; OCD women; henpecked husbands and the passive agressive.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 7:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Maybe so, Annie. I know after I got sucked in by the plight of the children, I saw how much Kate is like a dear friend of mine. Horribly OCD, and peckish with other people's imperfections, but highly energetic, extroverted and involved with her kids. Made me like her more (and uh, dislike the OCD parts more!).

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 8:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
My perception of Kate is that she is not that involved with her children. She is using the children to live in the lifestyle they have made her accustomed to because they are adorable. What bothers me about her more than her personality is the fact she feels entitled to freebies because she had a lot of children.

I've also learned recently that those college funds Kate alluded to that were set up for the children weren't set up by her and Jon. They were gifts of the Governor of PA when the children were born.

Why does it matter that Jon went to Utah for Thanksgiving? He sees his relatives all the time (now that he's not with Kate) and he was dumped from dinner with his children. Maybe he needed to get away and be busy so he wouldn't be thinking about past Thanksgivings with them. Why is the worst always thought of him?

Had he been allowed, he would have been with his children. It's weird how he is now a bad guy again because Kate wouldn't let him come for dinner, so he went to Utah. Kate never goes to her family for dinner and that's not a problem for anyone, so I just don't get it.

Kate is better at this game because she can steadfastly ignore the media when it suits her. Jon would be wise to learn to do the same.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 8:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Maybe, Cricket, it's because most of us don't get to jet off to Utah at the last moment to go skiing.

From what we've seen, Jon went from Hawaii to Pennsylvania and then to Utah. He has an expensive place in NYC that he's not even at during the holiday. He is spending money all over the place when he has no apparent income. To me, that is an issue!

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 8:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Cricket...I think part of the reason people are thinking the "worst" about him right now is because of what Hailey said...that he "dumped" his Gramma to be with "snow bunnies" or whatever.

Stuff like that makes folks think the worst of him, I guess.


I'm hoping to hear that he did spend some time with his children, if only a couple of hours.

But I'm fearing I'm going to see another enactment...like when he was filmed walking along the beach in Hawaii. Are we going to be seeing him skiing, tragically alone?
LOL

I'm just saying that he creates these "worst-ish" thoughts.

Hopefully, Hailey's twitter-smear is not correct. :-)

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 8:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Cricket...I think part of the reason people are thinking the "worst" about him right now is because of what Hailey said...that he "dumped" his Gramma to be with "snow bunnies" or whatever.

Ahh..well, Beekind, I never pay attention to a word Hailey says. She is such a desperate, immature gal who has severe emotional issues. Did you see her in that interview? She made my head spin...literally...not only mine, but the hosts on the show. They just sat there with their mouths open as she contradicted herself and whined. Nope..I wouldn't believe a word she says and even it if were true, I'm suspicious of the childish way in which she felt the need to say it. I pray that Jon stays far away from her. That's part of his problem right now and another reason he needs to get away. Hopefully, he will realize the worst thing for him to do right now is have a girlfriend, esp. a child.

Hailey craves attention and she is now another problem Jon will have to deal with; I hope by completely ignoring her.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 9:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I don't know Hailey so I don't what her motives/intentions are, but I am kind of with Onlyhuman. It's hard to understand how/why Kate is being called just in it for the money when in a period of two weeks Jon has been vacationing in Hawaii and Utah and no discernable source of income.

Rissa
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03-19-2006

Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 6:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Cricket, I think the big deal is that Jon made a big deal in the media about spending the day with his family (ie grandmother) when he had no intention of doing so. It's another lie he was caught in that's the issue, not where he spent the holiday. It was also really immature of him to try to tear Kate down to the paps about her not ALLOWING him for thanksgiving when he knew it was never on the table, it wasn't his day and he would be seeing the kids Saturday. Kate obviously already had plans for that day and I am willing to bet that she and Jon never even discussed his coming over or not coming over. It just reeks of trying to manipulate us through the media again.

Rissa
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03-19-2006

Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 6:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Please correct me if I am wrong!! I have three teenagers, I am used to it. LOLOL I am not talking about Hailey at all if that matters Cricket, I am with you... her motives are unknown and past interviews just weird. I think she is young and a bit messed up but not sure enough to take anything she says at face value. I am strictly going by Jon himself who tweeted that he was spending the day with his grandmother and then he spent the day with friends in Utah. And as far as being with Kate on Thanksgiving, I don't think that's been on the table since some airie fairie talk from both of them way back in the late spring/early summer when they still thought this divorce could be cordial. That's fallen apart on both sides long ago.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 8:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
A Hawaiian vacation, a skiing vacation all in the course of about 2 weeks for a person who doesn't even work 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year. The fella fell into the jam pot; and something tells me he likes it like that.

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06-29-2002

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Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 6:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
The kids not being allowed to see their dad on this first big holiday since the divorce will always be remembered by the kids. It's a shame J&Can't be civil or even friends.....Lots of divorced people are able to see beyond their own issues with their ex for the sake of the kids. But these kids will only see their parents as people who can't be in the same room no matter how nice it would be for the kids. This modeling of behavior will show up in some of the kids.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 6:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
We don't know if the kids were not allowed to see their father. We don't know if the father decided not to see the kids. It's all speculation on what really happened. Sadly, based on his prior statements, it's difficult to believe anything that he claims.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 7:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I agree that the kids are very very important to Mrs Gosselin. So important that she wouldn't take them away from the cameras when they were going through a difficult period, which not coincidentally also afforded her the opportunity to expand her media franchise, as she shot a pilot with Paula Deen, cohosted The View, and kept the PR flaks for TLC gainfully employed.

That said, the series finale of J+K made Jon look just ridiculous. Part of that is because Jon says ridiculous things all the time, and part of it is that TLC has a vested interest in maintaining a "Jon is ridiculous but Mrs Gosselin is a concerned mother" narrative.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 7:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Well put Tishala.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 7:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
That said, the series finale of J+K made Jon look just ridiculous. Part of that is because Jon says ridiculous things all the time, and part of it is that TLC has a vested interest in maintaining a "Jon is ridiculous but Mrs Gosselin is a concerned mother" narrative.

Well-stated, Tishala. Jon would do well to have someone stop him from constantly giving TMI. While Kate can give an interview without really divulging any info, Jon is the complete opposite. He truly does need to learn to not say anything.

The plans were for both parents to be with them on Thanksgiving and Christmas. However, Kate is still smarting from Jon shutting down production. I didn't count how many times she said, "It's not fair; it's not right; it's too soon" on the final show, but she is probably still very upset with Jon for stopping the filming and therefore he is being punished with not being able to be with the children on Thanksgiving.

How I know he had planned to be with the children on Thanksgiving is because he stated he would be with his children for part of the day and then honor Hailey's parents' invitation on Thanksgiving. This was on ET and in online news articles. However, after that was stated/reported, it was reported that Kate didn't want him there. Some here speculated it wouldnt' be good for two angry parents to be in the same house in front of the children on the Holiday...that could be.

Then, Jon and Haily broke up; so Jon's plans changed again. I missed him saying he was going to his Grandmother's (but wasn't watching the shows that much) but if he did say that to fool the press, good for him. If he changed his mind at the last minute, so be it. It couldn't have been that long of a trip to Utah, as he was to be with the children on the day after Thanksgiving.

I'm sure he'll see his Grandmother soon. He's been traveling with his Mom (and Stepfather)quite a bit since he and Kate split up.

At this time, Jon has stated he is looking forward to Christmas, where they will keep tradition the same as last year, says he. He says Christmas Eve and Christmas (Friday and Saturday) are 'joint custody' days.

Does anyone know what days are Jon's custody days?

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 8:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
The first holidays after they split were fourth of July which I think they all spent together and the little kids' birthday which was partly together but bickering and neither parent really shining..

Sharing kids over a holiday period doesn't have to mean you all jam into one place at once and especially not if one parent is doing the cooking. Jon had announced on a tabloid show that the "schedule" had him attending Thanksgiving Dinner at Hailey's parents. That seems to have fallen through since I doubt even Jon would persist in being with Hailey/parents after the things she has said and tweeted about him lately.

If a schedule is set up where Kate has kids on x days and Jon has then on y days.. then the other parent isn't being "kept from" the other parent by the other parent but is just following the schedule.

And Jon sort of established that rigiditiy when he refused to let Kate babysit instead of the bartender/model/playmate wannabe/"nanny" and he was laying down the line.. my day, my rules, you cannot come in. And hopefully he's following whatever the schedule says for this holiday.
Perhaps he was scheduled to be with them this weekend, in which case he had his time with the kids and presumably didn't expect Kate to cook and clean up after, but handled that in some way himself.

If anything papworthy happened, it was completely eclipsed by Tiger Woods accident, wife smashing window with golf club, accusations of mistress, who denied then flew to LA to be met by Gloria Allred.. certainly this kept many of the vultures busy enough.. or maybe for once Jon stayed out of the spotlight, hopefully with his kids.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 8:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
If a schedule is set up where Kate has kids on x days and Jon has then on y days.. then the other parent isn't being "kept from" the other parent by the other parent but is just following the schedule.

Perfectly said Seamonkey! As a parent who does share holidays I completely understand.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 8:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Jon says, Jon says, Jon says. I don't believe a word Jon says. When Kate says that she didn't want Jon there for Thanksgiving then I'll believe that. Jon changes his mind as often as he changes his underwear. Why would I believe a proven liar?