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Snoopsmom
Member
02-19-2003
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 4:58 am
Hope the next decision isn't that the kids are too much work, and 8 is too many to handle with a pending divorce and the pursuit of Jon and Kate's new single lives. They may decided to get rid of a few of them next. I have no respect for people who treat pets as disposable, JMHO.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 5:10 am
I agree that pets shouldn't be thought of as disposable, but I do admire them for realizing they weren't being good owners. I would rather the dogs go to a home where they will be taken care of.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 6:47 am
Right, snoops!! I'm sure that 8 kids are hard work. Might be more work than they expected. The thing is, unlike with dogs, there are a ton of families who are waiting for children. Not at all with animals. How many are killed each day because there are too many homeless animals? Because people decide that after they get a puppy, that the puppy is too much. Too destructive. Too noisy. Too much energy. Too much time. Too much work. So yeah, let's just pass that dog or cat on to someone else who can do that work. Makes me sick.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 8:01 am
The pet thing makes me sick too. Sure, the breeder will probably find them another home, but will those people keep the dogs, or discard them later as well? And if they do keep them, that means two other dogs sitting in a shelter didn't get a chance at a new home. Dogs aren't a part time commitment -- they are a lifetime commitment.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 8:20 am
Exactly Brenda!! Sure those 2 dogs will get a good home. But it is like a domino effect--down the line there are 2 dogs who are not going to find a home! 2 dogs that may be put down.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 8:25 am
The breeder seemed to have alot of dogs around his house, not just puppies, so i doubt he would turn them over to a shelter.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 8:57 am
Annie, what i mean is that the breeder gets Nala and brother back. He finds a family (lets say the Smith family) who adopts Nala and bro. So great Nala and bro have a great family. BUT the Smith family may have found 2 other pups elsewhere (like a shelter) if they did not adopt (more likely BUY) N&B from the breeder. SO there's likely 2 dogs out there who will not get adopted becuase they took in these 2 dogs. And I am not just talking about this situation. It is everywhere.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 9:03 am
And that is why I am not so hot about there even being breeders. While I am sure breeders (most at least) love their dogs and make sure they are put into loving homes, that is just resulting in less homes being available for non "papered" dogs. Dogs of whom many will be killed. Does not makes sense to me. Breeders have dogs have more dogs while other dogs are being killed cuz there are too many dogs in the world. Dogs who are killed because they are only 3/8 golden retriever, or mutts, etc....
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 9:08 am
people looking to go to a breeder rarely adopt from shelters, but i get your point julie.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 9:09 am
I don't know if breeders make that much difference (talking reputable not puppy mills). I would never buy from a breeder, not interested in a full-breed dog... I like my mutts and I like using shelters if feasible. Whether a breeder has dozens of available dogs wouldn't even cross my mind. Likewise someone who is set of getting a purebred puppy would probably not be trolling the shelters and wouldn't even be aware of what animals were available there. Did that make any sense? LOL ETA Jinx Tex 
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 9:09 am
The Smith family was not going to get a dog from a shelter anyway <77> Oops...sorry Texannie, you posted the same thing before me much more nicely.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 9:28 am
Pure bred dogs do come through shelters. Sometimes. And if there were fewer breeders, people wanting dogs would be forced to go to a shelter. If they <77> only want pure breds, maybe they should live without a dog. 
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 9:35 am
great minds, Rissa and Roxie! LOL
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 9:37 am
Way back in the dark ages, hundreds of years ago... OK I'm exaggerating... I remember learning in biology... the larger the gene pool, the better the product. Some breeds have been bred into illness. Squish faced dogs who can hardly breathe and many others problems. Mutts are the best way to get a pet. Breeders should just be for those who compete. There is no point in having a pure bred family dog. JMO. In this case, it's good that they have a kennel to make sure the dogs get a good home. If they had gone to a shelter, they'd just be dooming the dogs because they are no longer little puppies. On another note, I thought Kate was the one who didn't want them in the first place. Jon says she never listened to him, but he was the one who wanted the dogs. She never wanted to be responsible for two more lives. She had enough on her shoulders already. If those dogs were so important to him, why didn't he take them with him and bring them to visit when he is there. Of course, living in the city, he'd have to walk them several times a day which might interfere with his travel/party schedule.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 9:50 am
Psssh.......he's got the dough....hire a dog walker.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 10:34 am
I'd sure hate to think of those two lovely dogs into a cramped apartment; much better to go back to the breeder. But it is sort of fun to think of Jon having his hands full of dogs in the city and having to put some of his fun and games on hold.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 10:58 am
Mama, you are right. Kate never wanted dogs, but the rest of the family did so she gave in.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 11:11 am
I guess I'm sort of in the middle here. I have a shiba inu that I got from a breeder....I have a 15 yr old lab/shepherd mix that the dogcatcher found as a small puppy and the husband brought home....and I have Odie that I saw on petfinder and his time was up. I drove about 700 miles to rescue him. I used to be a member of a group that had a bunch of breeders in it. I found it amazing that one breeder would breed 15 dogs or so per yr....not all hers of course....looking for that perfect show dog. In MY eyes, that made her a puppy mill. To others, she was one of the top breeders in the country.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 1:56 pm
By the way, I would prefer to have a shelter dog...my daughter's current one (I refuse to claim it) is a half-rat terrier, half-chihuahua that we got from a shelter. Totally obnoxious.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 2:38 pm
Most legitimate breeders (and it really fries me when they are lumped in with puppy mills or people who have pets who just don't bother to spay/neuter their dogs or cats and have just one or two litters willy nilly) don't even breed a litter without having a waiting list of interested buyers. Those buyers aren't choosing between a purebred and a pound puppy. So if the breeder places THESE two, it is NOT a given that he will breed unwanted german shepherd dogs. The homes are not always interchangeable. And dogs aren't interchangeable. AKC definition of a breeder is whoever is the registered owner of the female.. but that doesn't make them responsible breeders. Those looking for their next great dog need to (and many do) also make the placement of ALL the pups into the best possible homes the top priority and must make the temperament of the whole litter a top priority. And put those pups with people who don't want to breed more pups and will spay/neuter. The big puppy mills are atrocious and akin to concentration camps and then those totally inferior pups often are sold for the highest prices to people who have no idea. Jon could hire dog walkers, but hopefully these two dogs will find a better situation than big city life.
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Justpassingby
Member
08-14-2007
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 2:45 pm
Thank you, Sea! I had a long post written but canceled because I couldn't find the words to get across what you just said.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 2:49 pm
Many reputable breeders won't even talk to a family with small children. I don't remember much about the breeder they got these dogs from to say how great he was, but it didn't seem to me like they were put on a list and then waited for pups to match their lifestyle and kids. Seemed they drove out there and picked two of them out of a litter of pups. But maybe that's just my bad memory. I'm not down on purebreds. I had a corgi. Love them, and hope to have one again some day. Just don't really partake to <100> who think that the only dog good enough for their family is a purebred. Especially if they are not going to accept that dog as a forever deal. I found our current dog at a shelter and walking through them week after week looking for the right dog for us was heartbreaking.
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 4:09 pm
My family showed and bred pure breed dogs while I was gowing up. We showed all over the U.S., and luckily, did very well. We would only breed one or two females a year, and then only after carefully looking through hundreds of lines to produce the best puppies. We always had a waiting list for our dogs, and we were very careful where they would live. We even went to their homes to see for ourselves the kind of home our dogs would be living in. I think this is the norm for most professional dog breeders who also show. All of the best have a waiting list. I had to wait 1 1/2 years for my Norwich Terrier 18 years ago. I don't think pure bred dogs are for everyone. I believe the only advantage, if there is one, for buying a pure bred is there are certain characteristics which are inherent in certain breeds. You'll know how large the dogs going to be etc.. I'm a strong supporter for most people to go to the shelter and get their dogs there. I'm also a huge supporter of having all dogs spayed and neutered, those who don't are being totally irresponsible. If you're not going to show, spay or neuter for heavens sake! Do not buy your dogs from pet stores, most of these dogs come from puppy mills or irresponsible breeders. If you insist on a pure bred dog, go to a dog show in your area, look at all the breeds, and ask for business cards from those breeders who interest you, be prepared for a lot of questions and a long wait. I've had both pure bred and shelter dogs, and they were all a joy and so loving. I do believe the best thing to do for our planet and our wonderful animals is to go to a shelter and give one of these dogs a loving home.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 4:23 pm
What really gets me is the ignorance out there. There are so many people that honestly think they need a certain breed in order to get a "good dog." Like a lot of families I know go straight to a breeder to get a golden retriever. (They seem super popular out here.) I try to be not pushy about informing them that if they do a little bit of investigative work, they could find a perfectly suitable rescue dog. Especially if they go thru a rescue/foster group.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 4:27 pm
And even if a breeder does not breed puppies til they have a buyer, those buyers could rescue a dog that is going to be killed. For no other reason than it doesn't have the right papers or the right blood. Just does not seem right to "make" more dogs be born while there are perfectly loving puppies & dogs being killed. Daily. Locally. Nationally.
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