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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Friday, August 21, 2009 - 9:09 pm
Same here, Annie, and happy to see those cups. Most of the tap water in the US is very good.
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Dogmommy
Member
09-10-2005
| Friday, August 21, 2009 - 9:19 pm
In my opinion, John and Kate should BOTH be fired and let the show end. The divorce is going to be hard enough on the kids, so why should they have to deal with cameras and tv crew in their face all the time? Another thing, why is John the "bad" parent? In most of the episodes before their split, it was Kate that was yelling, controlling, and obnoxious. She's the one who changed her image/look. None of us know when or the reason for their split. However, it wouldn't surprise me that Kate was the one who initiated it. She thinks she's the star of the show, and in my opinion, she'll keep this show going no matter who it hurts, be it her husband, or her children. She's a money grubbing, attention grabbing, fame seeking ... um... person. John finally stood up for himself and couldn't stand being emasculated anymore by his wife. The only thing different between him and any other man in the world who had a wife like Kate is their kids, and they were on TV. If he was a father of 1 or 2, and hadn't been on TV, no one would find fault with him. One thing I don't agree with about John is his dating before he's divorced. It would be different if he had been separated for a year or so.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Friday, August 21, 2009 - 9:39 pm
I think it was on "E" today that they said a poll by TV guide showed 94% of respondees don't care to hear about who Jon is dating and just want him to disappear. I want them all to disappear. The less attention given to these parents, the sooner the kids will get a normal life.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, August 21, 2009 - 10:03 pm
Dogmommy, how did kate change her image/look? She's pretty much had the same haircut since the beginning. Some modifications, but don't most people change up their hair through out the years? I have heard other people say this, and I truly don't get it. Except for the book, what has she done that would be considered "She's a money grubbing, attention grabbing, fame seeking ... um... person."?
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, August 21, 2009 - 10:43 pm
Dogmommy, you're pretty late to the party, lol. Just look back through the archives and you'll see page upon page where many of us have already expressed our opinions as to why Jon is the "bad" parent. Not much is said about his parenting though, it's about Jon as a person and his actions.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Friday, August 21, 2009 - 10:58 pm
Kate is supporting 8 kids. That would be very hard to do on a nursing salary and a soon to be ex with no job (if TLC drops Jon because of the morals clause). I think she is doing a great job of raising her kids the best way she can.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, August 21, 2009 - 10:59 pm
Twinkie, we think like we're twinsies!
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 12:11 am
A little off topic, but I had to laugh abouut the water bottles...our small city is in a huge uproar right now because they have increased the cost for our water by a HUGE amount...so we have a town hall meeting last week and our city manager (who is a jerk IMO) is addressing us...and he is holding a bottle of water in his hand...even HE can't afford the water!
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Glenrie
Member
03-24-2006
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 12:39 am
Count me in Twinkie and Hukdonreality!
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:16 am
I don't know if there is as much Kate support here as you might think. I know that I would probably be put in that column because I haven't specifically discussed her lately but that's because she is doing a good job keeping her head down not because I don't think she and Jon are not both generally despicable. I just don't see the point of tossing in a random, rehashed Kate insult every-time Jon does something else idiotic in the media. I could be wrong but I think most people here feel the same, can't imagine anything redeeming about either one that would make me want to declare myself team Kate or team Jon. Cancel the show, invest the considerable sum they already have, let the media circus die down and in a year or two find a quieter way to support the family (if that's even necessary with the money they already have and the residuals that will continue to roll in).
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:20 am
Agreed, Rissa. It's be great if they would find a quieter way to support the family. Or at the very least take a year or two respite.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:38 am
Julie, then maybe you can answer the money grubbing, attention getting part. I honestly don't see what she is doing to garner that opinion. I have seen many people say that, I have asked, but no one seems to want to answer.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:58 am
I don't know that I see her as attention getting. (Also note that I said I agreed "for the most part.") I'm not quite sure I'd call Kate money grubbing. But I for sure see her as putting $$ front and center. I am not quite sure I can totally fault her (from what I recall, she didn't have a lot of $$ growing up AND she does not seem to have a lot of real support form family or friends). But how can she not see the paparazzi and realize if she quit the show that they'd go away. How can she not realize what all this publicity will do to her kids. It will alter them forever. (maybe they will suffer a lot, maybe not at all, we don't know.) But WHY take that chance? Just for MONEY!?? I don't care if there is a contract. Maybe there is, maybe there is not. But I am pretty sure she would not be jailed if she did break any contract. SO my point is that being poor would be better than being splashed all over TV and magazines. But I don't think she can see that. So anywhoo, that is my opinion and answer to your question.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 8:17 am
the fake tan, the fake nails, the hair do -- all tell me that she's gone hollywood. I saw on an older episode recently where she said none of those things mattered to her, but it obvious they do now as she spends a lot of money on primping herself. That's just one very visible example of how she's changed. I think her ego has grown to where she really thinks she deserves all the special treatment above others that the show has brought her.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 8:17 am
Thanks for answering Julie. If I am understanding you right, because she hasn't stopped the show, that shows she likes money?
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 8:34 am
Brenda, she always had 'spa days' as her way of relaxing, reviving herself though. I guess as someone who changes their hairstyle alot, I think she has stayed fairly consistant with hers! LOL It's interesting that she is criticized for pampering/taking care of herself. One reason why the instructions in an airplane are 'put your oxygen mask on first then the child' is so many parents forget to take care of themselves first. How is taking care of yourself showing you are better than others?
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 9:05 am
Kate has often said that she wants each of her children to have all the experiences that they would have in a smaller family. To me, the real perks of the show are that the children get to go places and see things that a child in a family of eight, struggling to make ends meet would not be able to do. If these children were living near the poverty line, that in itself would create problems later in life. I see nothing wrong with parents doing whatever it takes legally to raise their children in the best way they can. If the parents also get perks, who cares? Those children would be living a whole different life without the show. We don't know how it will affect them later in life. We also don't know how being poor would have affected them. I think they are doing their best. The only difference I see in the parents now is that Kate is likely following her lawyers advice to keep a low profile. Jon, on the other hand, doesn't care what anyone (including his lawyer) tells him. His passive-aggressive nature permits him to do what he wants to do no matter what. He may well regret his recent behavior in the future. Then again, maybe this is the real Jon.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 9:28 am
I greatly admire what Kate's accomplished over the years. I cannot even conceive of trying to take care of 6 infants/toddlers. By keeping order as well as she did is amazing. I've seen women living in pig sty conditions with only a couple of little kids. She gets my support. Go girl!
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 9:42 am
What's TLC's "morals clause?"
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 9:58 am
<the fake tan, the fake nails, the hair do -- all tell me that she's gone hollywood.> <It's interesting that she is criticized for pampering/taking care of herself.> It's interesting how it's OK to bash Octomom for her plastic surgery, fake nails, treatment of family, etc., but not our Kate, lol. Can someone explain to me how Kate's using her kids for continued 'fame' and income, choice of lifestyle, and "pampering/taking care of herself" is that much different from Octomom's in the grand scheme of things? I just can't see it. ETA: Besides the obvious "having a husband when she got pregnant part", of course!
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 10:24 am
As I see it, Octomom is mentally ill. I believe Kate is not.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 10:33 am
<77> Plenty of moms that I see every day have fake nails, tans and good hair cuts. These are not rich reality stars but every day moms. Have they all gone Hollywood? Many moms drop their kids off for an hour session with me and head to their weekly mani-pedi. Should I bring this up to them and point out their behavior is going to damage their children? What I see Kate doing is nothing that I don't see other mothers doing. I can not say the same for Jon's behavior.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 10:51 am
<77> OP, I can see that. Good point. But...as I personally perceive Kate to be a very self-centered woman with an obvious need to control everyone around her, I'd have to question her mental/emotional health too.
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Moderator
Moderator
06-29-2002
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 2:00 pm
A number of posts have been modded and/or removed. This thread is about Jon & Kate Plus 8. It is not about the people who post at TVCH. Please stop making it personal. Thank you.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 2:44 pm
Re Octomom and JK+8...just my opinion...but when Jon and Kate set out to get themselves pregnant they were self-sustaining people hoping to expand their family. The fact that all 6 of the embryos implanted and thrived was a huge surprise, as I am sure was the same in Nadya's case. However, I have seen no indication that Ms. Suleman has ever been self-sustaining, able to support herself and her family. I throw no stones at being a single parent - I am one myself - but I only have 1 child and I chose not to have other children so that I could (and do) support my child on my own. Ms. Suleman already had several children, including at least one child with fairly significant disabilities, when she chose to get impregnated BY CHOICE again. In my opinion that was totally irresponsible and definitely not in the best interests of the children she already had and the ones she became pregnant with. I have stayed away from the thread about her potential show because I refuse to support which I perceive as selfish and impulsive actions.
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