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Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 10:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Countrydaze a private message Print Post    
Thanks to all of you who let me know that I am not alone in my thinking. Here's hoping that Jon has a good fathers day with his kids, and Happy Fathers Day to everyone out there too!

Kellsma
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08-28-2002

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 12:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellsma a private message Print Post    
Irismi welcome to our side :-) AS I stated in a much earlier post, other then the first episode of this season, this season has all been nothing but ads for hotels or other tv shows. As you stated, it is no longer about a family with 8 children it is all about what/who can they get for their show that week. With the cake making episode, I found it interesting when they said one of the older girls asked the producers of their show if they could arrange them going to the cake place. Sorry I can't remember the name but I find it funny that an 8 year old would know enough to ask their producers. Obviously too much time wich cameras and producers around. Definitely not living real life

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
"And we're gonna learn a lot going forward, and I know that we'll all come out of this on the other side, hopefully, stronger, better, wiser."

I'm hoping this means she can move past the bitter "you-ended-my-tv-career" stage and truly move on to a life with her kids in private. If 2 people really aren't meant to be together and do divorce, it doesn't have to be ugly if you really do think of the kids first. You can still work together in raising them and I'm going to assume they're already getting the counseling needed to do that.

I think they've been over as a couple for a long time and John was ready to move forward into private life but she wasn't. Hopefully she is now because that really is the best thing for the kids IF she really is thinking of them first. Time will tell.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Yep,just as soon as the tups were a reality and he had to step up,and his "perfect 4" was messed up.He was ready to move on.But at least he hung around to become full of himself.Not taking up for Kate either,he just leaves a really,really sour spot in my heart.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
There is another argument that could also be made. Jon was content with (just) the twins. Kate was not. Kate pushed and pushed (no pun intended!!) and finally got her way and got more kids.

Most "experts" would agree that you should not have (any or more) kids unless both people are on board. Jon was not. Some might say Kate shoulda quite while she was ahead.

But that is all water under the bridge. Hopefully this show does end soon and they sometime soon can have something close to a normal life. Hopefully the kids' looks change as they grow and the public "need" for pictures of them dies down...

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
BUT,as they say,it takes two to tango,so we really can't let Jon out of that one. Even as aggressive as Kate is,I am sure he wasn't forced at Gun Point..

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Thank goodness Aaden is ok (couldn't get the actual article to come up on that site, but saw a crawler saying Jon rushed him to a hospital) and luckily he was with Jon, so I guess it won't be Kate's fault. I hope she gets credit and not scorn for letting Jon have alone time with the kids for Fathers Day. Since he chose to be away for her birthday, his birthday, Mothers Day and their anniversary, it would clearly be his desire, I'd think.

Thanks, Brenda. I never remember to see what is on TV Guide Channel unless someone mentions it.

I also hope they don't resort (the lawyers) to that sort of blame game. Sure, it would be better not to be running around with sharp sticks, but kids will do that and injuries will happen.

What happened with Aaden?

Julie, when has Jon said he didn't want the second pregnancy? Just wondering. Seemed like he was on board and it wasn't like Nadya, Kate didn't have frozen embryos.. Jon had to participate. Thought they both wanted another child, figured they could get another set of twins and instead there were 7, and both have stated they never considered reduction (one of the seven didn't make it early on). If he wasn't on board, he could have said no, but I bet he cannot imagine not having his three sons or three younger daughters now.

Jimmer, Texannie, I agree that so often when someone is diagnosed with something, or something bad happens, it is ealy to look for a reason, especially a reason that "it won't happen to me".

My mom had emphysema, but she smoked. But her sister also smoked and smoked longer, grew up in the same place.. they were told that living in a riverbottom area could contribute, as could playing a wind instrument for a long time, both did that too. But my aunt, no emphysema, my mom.. emphysema. Guess the bottom line is we can do everything right, or nothing, and sometimes things happen and sometimes they don't.

Ah here is link I can see.. Aaden does look cute. Certainly looks to be fine.

http://jjb.yuku.com/topic/525312/t/Little-Aaden-Gosselin-taken-to-the-hospital.html

Wonder if Jon is being paid to wear that expensive clothing line?

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Since the info listed on my cable guide is different than the topic of the episode tomorrow night,could someone re-post the time of the "announcement",so I make sure and record the right episode? I haven't watched in awhile but this is one I want to see..

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 1:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
I think all of us with kids have had the falls and the bumps on the head and having to go to the doctor. (we just didn't have tons of cameras following us around.)

I have to say that both of them bug the heck out of me anymore. I just want those little kiddies to be okay through all of this because they are adorable and hopefully, they will put them first.

Sea, I do have to comment on something you posted. I understand standing up for Kate and saying you hope she gets credit for giving Jon alone time with them on Father's Day BUT... we don't know if he chose to be away during those other times. We really don't know what their private deal is. I'm not defending him or her but I don't think this has to be an either/or situation.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 1:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Lori, it's on tomorrow at 9 ET.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
we don't know so much about their life, yet people draw so many conclusions...
based on one off hand comment, 'i was happy with just the twins' jon didn't want anymore kids
based on jon saying he didn't like being 'jon and kate plus 8', kate wants to be a tv star
based on tabloid pictures/unsubstantiated reports..jon has cheated, kate has cheated.
based on the word of people getting paid, jon is having an affair
based on an over a year ago conversation with one of the 6 who would have been 3 or 4, they don't want their vacations on tv (fairly advanced thinking for a child that young)
jon has always been unhappy
jon was happy till his friends told him he wasn't

we don't truly know much.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 2:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
I am saying that we don't truly know anything. I just can't get into being on one or the other's bandwagon. I think they both are to blame for whatever is going on in their marriage and I truly hope that their main consideration is their children, not their TV career or their own lapsed childhoods.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Everyone who supports Kate knows the truth and the inside story. People in Jon's corner are guessing. heh heh

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 2:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
Oh Huk ~ You are so adding fuel to the fire!

Bottom line ~ if you put yourself on a reality show, you're putting yourself up to be snarked on. Just leave the kids out of it!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 2:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Kappy, there would be no fire if people would just be sensible and agree with me!

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 3:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
While I agree that it takes two people to make a good marriage, it only takes one person to make a bad marriage. One person giving 100% while the other gives less than 50% makes one person so unhappy that he or she might behave in a way that he or she wouldn't if they were both committed to the marriage. If one person doesn't participate, the other can try but usually fails and ends up being unhappy and nasty. A broken marriage is usually the fault of one or the other.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 3:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
i totally agree with you Huk'd! LOL

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 4:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
Huk'd likes to stir up some sh**. Oh, can't say that but I know she likes the word. LOL And now I will back away from this thread before she throws some Quik on me.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 4:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Lori.. looks like you need to record at 9 and at 9:30 tomorrow to be sure, though the second half hour is billed as a repeat, no telling what they will really do. The 9pm slot just says "Episode 7" on my DVR now, so that is undoubtedly the announcement.

Mamie, not sure I quite understand what you are implying that I'm saying.. I just think it was clear he didn't choose to be with Kate on those occasions.. he's even quoted as laughing that it was her birthday and that he should get her a present and getting suggestions from his fellow drinkers but not following up on those suggestions. But what I actually meant was that I expect to see critcisms that she "left him alone" with the kids on fathers day and I think it is clear as crystal that he's not happy when forced to be around her, so it would be his choice for fathers day. As for not knowing, no we don't know if he chose those dates to be away but I have to think that if TLC could have had them in one place for their birthdays, mothers day and anniversary to cover those events, TLC wouls have had them in one place.

I don't really think much of either parent, but there is so much more blame on Kate across the internet. And I believed for a long time that Jon just had innocent pictures taken and was accused of much more, but there certainly have been actual pictures posted since then that tend to make that belief pretty hard to hold onto. Such pictures haven't popped up of Kate, to date.

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 4:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
Why do some people endlessly have to defend Kate and the kids. We all have opinions which just may be a little different than someone else. You must be exhausted defending other people's comments.
Bottome line, neither of them are who they were when the show started.
Their life is a train wreck and nobody is going to win.
Kate has estranged almost every member of her family, and that is not normal or good Christian behavior.
Why is it that people who scream their Christianity the loudest are the least Christian people in their behaviour.

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 4:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
Comment was not intended for poster who posted at the same time as I did.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 6:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I'm not tired at all!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 6:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Haven't heard either Kate or Jon screaming about their Christianity, but if you are surrounded by toxic relatives, then it's an incredible act of Christian maturity to make the decision to not be around them. It doesn't mean you don't love them though.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 6:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Since I'm going through a divorce right now...saying that a broken marraige is usually the fault of one person or the other is rather offensive to me. In our case...even though HE don't see it that way.....both of us are to blame! BTW, infidelity was not an issue. OH and I don't feel it's okay to see others before the divorce is final....but that's just my opinion...had to get that said.

BTW, I'm one of those people that defend Kate...sorry! I've watched Jon's eyes during his interviews. He's acting shady. Kate on the other hand just looks hurt.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 6:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
((sabbatia))