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Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 7:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Kate also acknowledged that he was on 'this planet' when the benefits were pointed out to her. no one here has thought something their spouse said was a bad idea only to have someone else point out the benefits?

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 8:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
There is no telling what those kids are seeing or hearing

ITA. That has long been my concern with the "bodyguard"'s propinquity to the children.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 9:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I can only imagine what those kids are seeing! They might actually be seeing a man and a woman smile at each other, wink, hug, and *gasp* even kiss! Normal human warmth and contact. I doubt they've seen much of that lately between their mom and dad.

Now I'm not in favor at all of parading date after date in front of the kids. I think it is harmful for kids to have people come into their lives, have them get attached, and then the people are gone. But this has already happened repeatedly with these kids with the people Kate has become estranged with, so I'm not sure how Jon's "friends" are any different in that regard.

I think most adults, no matter how mid-life-crisis they are, know to be discreet around the kids and save that for when they are fast asleep.

I glanced at the recent People magazine and something Kate said stuck with me. She "hopes" his decisions will "haunt him" and that he eventually is filled with regret. Wow, I knew she was bitter. I hope, for the sake of those kids, she gets over that bitterness soon.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 9:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
That is a very sad statement indeed. I wonder whether Kate with be haunted by some of her vituperation.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 11:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Oh my. She is sounding more and more like a woman scorned. Oh that's right, she kind of is!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    

quote:

Why does Kate call when she's not there? Is she trying to micro-manage Jon? If he had a separate house and had the kids there, Kate would have no say in whom he had babysit. During his time with the children, he should be able to have complete control.




Seriously, with kids that young, would you expect that Kate would not call them when she's not there, or even that Jon would not call them when he's not there? Or that the kids would not call the parent who isn't there?

That seems pretty extreme.

Not coming there, yeah, that probably will become the norm, but I cannot imagine the banning of phone calls!

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 2:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
It's funny. Kate says she hopes Jon regrets his decisions. and she is criticized as a woman scorned. We don't know what decisions Jon made while they were still living together. We don't know why their marriage broke up. We can guess, we can make conjecture, we can listen to all the gossip, but we don't know. She knows. She also knows how Jon's recent behavior has affected her children. She is a very loving mother and very protective, so she knows much more about the situation that we do.
When my parents were separated, they immediately had other people in their lives and we were exposed to it. I can tell you from personal experience, it was not a good situation.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 2:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think it is fine for Kate to call. I don't think it is fine for her to personally and directly interfere with Jon's arrangements when he has the kids unless Jon asks for her advice. If she doesn't agree with what Jon is doing, it should be a legal issue.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 2:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Kate didn't say "gosh, I hope Jon doesn't regret the decisions he's made and how they affected our kids and family." She's wishing him ill-will -- hoping the decisions will "haunt" him. I wonder which passage in her bible supports this kind of behavior?

Can you imagine the outcry if Jon said something like "I hope the way she treated me haunts her forever" or "I hope she remains bitter".

And I do feel bad for those kids. Jon should not be parading girlfriend after girlfriend in front of them and hopefully he will soon figure that out.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Isn't that exactly what <100> Kate haters are doing? Wishing her ill will? Oops. Where's your Bible?

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 3:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
I bet its a legal issue now Jimmer. They will probably both have to agree on babysitters for the kids in the future... (not just the young cute shooter girl babysitters Jon likes.. LOL)

I can only imagine what those kids are seeing! They might actually be seeing a man and a woman smile at each other, wink, hug, and *gasp* even kiss! Normal human warmth and contact. I doubt they've seen much of that lately between their mom and dad.

I highly doubt the young kids would want to be seeing their dad kiss anyone other than their mother. Kids want their parents together, to work out their problems.. I doubt they are all smiles thinking their daddy is happy with someone else..

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Again, we don't know what those decisions are that Jon made.

Last time I read the bible, I don't remember reading about perfect people. People may say things in hurt or anger, that they later regret. Even Jesus accused God of forsaking him. Didn't make him a horrible person.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I do hope that Jon kisses the babysitter AWAY from the kids.. (which would include not in pap pics or at home).

And since he very very recently pledged that his allegiance is to Hailey, I'd say this must concern her a bit as well.. lol.. she might agree with Kate that they should hire grandmotherly babysitters.

Or maybe she doesn't care? (or is afraid to say she cares, more likely)

Not that I'm invoking religion or bible myself, but I'd say Jon is wholly responsible for how he's portraying himself, and IMO, it isn't a pretty sight.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 4:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I glanced at the recent People magazine and something Kate said stuck with me. She "hopes" his decisions will "haunt him" and that he eventually is filled with regret. Wow, I knew she was bitter. I hope, for the sake of those kids, she gets over that bitterness soon.

I can't find any new article online yet, nor have I seen it discussed on any of the many discussion boards I frequent. I'm looking forward to seeing how it was worded and in what context it was said.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
from enewsonline...part of Hailey Glassman's interview....

...."I was never a follower, I was never a gossiper, I did my own thing. To be honest, this whole thing, I have lost my happiness through this all. I don't want to say the public and media stripped me of my self-esteem.

"But they really have. I've been the sacrificial lamb in this situation."

And don't even get her started on TLC's role in this fiasco.

"More like the lying channel," Glassman said when reminded that TLC stood for The Learning Channel.

"TLC didn't allow [Jon and Kate Gosselin] to come out and say their marriage was done a year ago," she said. But "no network owns what I can and cannot say."

And the gist of what she has to say is that she and Mr. Gosselin didn't hook up until after his marriage had come undone, and they went from friends to best friends to more.

"It's very care-free and fun," she said of their relationship. "We just laugh—like, our best times are when it's just me and him."

"We both enjoy just simple things in life," she said, citing their mutual love of snowboarding, watching movies, playing pool and other "normal" activities.

Having already dismissed Gosselin's rumored Girlfriend No. 2, Kate Major, as being "cuckoo, cuckoo," Glassman also insists that nanny Stephanie Santoro is nothing but a nanny.

"Jon has a good heart, she has a child, and he felt bad...He knows how it feels to have a child and not be able to afford, you know, so he hired her to give her a job."

As for her future with the father of eight, Glassman says her current objective is happiness for all.

"I don't like to talk in the future," she said. "I like to live in the present. As of right now, I want to be happy. I want Jon to be happy. I want every side to be happy."

"People need to realize there's two sides to every story...TLC—they're telling something but the truth is always in that fuzzy area. You can't touch it, but only the people contracted can see it, but no one can say it.

"It's a dirty, dirty world. Bamboozling, this world."

"I didn't know any of this would happen," Glassman added, referrering once again to the media poo-storm. "If I wanted fame, don't you think I would be out all the time?

"I stay in my house. I've been staying home with my parents because I feel safe there

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
All I have to say is:

You were messing around with a married man. You are not a sacrificial lamb. You are the other woman.

Ever been hit on by a married man? According to all of them, their marriage has been over for awhile, and they're all just staying together for the kids sake.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 6:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Isn't that exactly what Kate haters are doing? Wishing her ill will?

Maybe on other boards, but I'm really not seeing that here. It seems the people here who don't like Kate, think she's not a very nice wife, are hoping this is a wake up call to her, to soften her stance a bit, let go of some of that control and become a nicer person. I don't see how that's wishing her ill will.


I can't find any new article online yet, nor have I seen it discussed on any of the many discussion boards I frequent. I'm looking forward to seeing how it was worded and in what context it was said.


I saw the article in People when I was at the store last night, so perhaps the new issue? The comments are right near the end of the article. I'd like to hear a pro-Kate's take on the comment. Seemed pretty mean spirited and angry to me. I have not called her a woman scorned. I'm more inclined to believe the story that she told Jon it was "over" and they'd keep doing the facade and now she's mad because he decided to break the facade and ruin the whole thing. Maybe she thought he'd hang around and they'd patch things up? Or maybe they'd just have one of those love-less marriages we've all seen some people do 'for the sake of the kids'.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 6:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
From the People article...

While she ponders the total transformation of her ex, Kate does hold out hope that there will be a moment of reckoning for Jon at some point in the future. "I hope he'll wake up someday, that the real person comes back, and he'll realize..." she stops for a moment, searching for the right word. "I hope that he is haunted by the decisions he has made. However it plays out, I hope that someday he is able to regret. And whatever that reflection brings about, I hope it will be for the good of our kids"


WOW, what a mean spirited angry woman she is... LOL How dare she....

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 7:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I guess I'm too nice because I do think it is mean to hope someone will be "haunted by their decisions". And to hope they have regrets?! Heck, yeah, he may have regrets. Maybe he'll regret that he didn't move out sooner.

Me thinks Kate should spend some time reflecting on her own behavior now, rather than wishing Jon would reflect on his and be haunted and full of regret.

Thanks for posting the article snippet Cinn... Didn't want people to think I'm making stuff up. LOL.

Glenrie
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03-24-2006

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 7:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Glenrie a private message Print Post    
Poor Kate. I see very little compassion for her here. She doesn't want to see that this is the real person. He was a partier before and he is again. I pray that someday she finds a good man who loves her and the kids. They all deserve someone better who knows that love is not just a word!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 7:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Now how the heck did you find that Cinnamongirl? I'm thinking maybe you have the actual magazine, because I couldn't find any article in the last issue they had posted online.

I don't see her comments as particularly nasty. I would be saying something similar if my ex made an ass of himself like I feel Jon has.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 7:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
I have the mag here at home... :-)

And I agree, if thats the worst she can say..then good on her cuz I wouldn't have put it so kindly if I were in her shoes. Shes showing a lot of restraint.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 7:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
That sounded to me as if she misses the old Jon. The person she thought he was when they got married. He might not ever have been that person, or he might have changed. But she wishes she could have the man she loved back and that can't happen because he has gone. What she's hoping for is that he will wake up one day and realize that he blew it big time. Sometimes it happens. I don't think it will happen with Jon because I think this Jon, the wanna be playboy, is who he has always been - hiding behind a mask of respectable married man.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 7:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't see how it is in Kate's best interest that she continues to care about Jon's activities now that they are separated. She can no longer influence him. It's done.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, August 17, 2009 - 8:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, true, but that would be extremely hard for anyone to do at this point.. maybe in a few years.. but right now with paparazzi constantly poking microphones her way and flinging out questions asking about Jon's activities it isn't like she can just ignore what is reported. And having EIGHT kids means she is going to hear in exquisite detail what happens when Daddy is with them.

Even without that with just a garden variety divorce where kids are involved.. you cannot just blot the person out of your life.

Heck, even with my divorce, which was my choice, no children, was 35 miles away, there were still loose ends, things to be dealt with, suddenly finding out he had cancelled car insurance or whatever and it wasn't easy to shrug things off for awhile.

It has to be hard for BOTH of them to stick to "no comment" at this point.