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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 11:37 am
Let's just hope they come to some sort of solution or agreement that works out best for the kids. I think I recall someone saying they didn't think Jon could manage child support payments so probably wouldn't ask for a divorce. But, really, Jon is not the main breadwinner. Isn't Kate? Jon could sue for custody, especially with Kate travelling for her "work". He could get partial custody and she may need to pay him child support. Oh, and I saw the "before" picture in whichever magazine. Shame on them for using a picture that was obviously taken right after she gave birth to 6 kids. Really unfair comparison. If they want to show how hollywood she's gone, they could have used a before from when they first started airing the show.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 11:40 am
Well, in order for it to work out, Jon needs and attitude adjustment first, I think. And you know that some parents are better parents when they are away from their bitter halves. I totally agree. Jon AND Kate BOTH need attitude adjustments. And I think they BOTH would be better parents away from the other one. Kate isn't the innocent one here. Jon isn't the innocent one here. The kids are the innocent ones here.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 11:44 am
Oh, I never said Kate was innocent. Just passive aggressiveness is so hard to deal with, finding a solution to it, trying to get someone to NOT be that way without turning into a flaming shrew. Can you tell I know it personally? John pretends to be clueless and then she gets flustered and then she looks like a bad person. SO clever John. He's lazy and resentful toward her and makes it her fault. Poor kids, to see their mom always stressed and their dad secretly reveling in his victories over her sanity, while the kids suffer. Their relationship is definitely not 50/50, I think she puts in way more and then he pretends he's not allowed to do anything, when in reality, he's like a martyr. The "I don't because she really doesn't want me to". You can't be like that when you have children, it doesn't help them. If something happens, and they split, I'll BET you that his place will be utterly chaotic, messy, no structure, no routine. Kates will be a continuance of their routine, that's because that's what works, and without Jon their to hinder progress, the whole dynamic will work out better. Kate will KNOW she's not going to get help from him, so at least that frustration will be gone, plus she doesn't have to take care of him. He will get a rude awakening of what kate actually deals with. And whatever media hound girlfriend he finds will learn that the publicity just ain't worth the stress.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 11:50 am
Personally I just don't see Kate as that helpless or weak. But everybody sees things through their own eyes of experience. That's why we all have different opinions.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 11:56 am
And as stated above, why do people automatically ASSUME that Kate as the mother will get the kids. Not sure how it is in PA, but here in IA it's pretty much joint custody, 50/50 physical custody. There are some exceptions, but cheating alone isn't one of them.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 11:57 am
I wonder how many times it takes of telling a man he's doing it wrong, not doing it right, not doing it "her" way for him to just back off and start doing absolutely nothing. I remember one time he was doing the girls hair and she gave him a good scolding because he used the "pink" hair things. Because, gosh, didn't he know the pink ones are to be saved, use an ugly color instead. Could anyone really live up to Kate's standards of how to do this or do that around the house or for the kids? I'm doubtful.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 12:52 pm
I know many people who claim that they have to do everything, mainly because no one else is able to do it up to their standards (i.e. exactly the way they think it should be done). It's not that they have to do it – they just won't accept anyone else doing it a little differently. Finally the other people just back off and let the person do it.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 1:22 pm
IMO, then as a man, he should have said, "If you don't like what I'm doing, then come and do it yourself". While the kidlets were really little, they wouldn't have been fazed by a response like that. They never dealt with it, and now the children are more aware and probably feel the tension. Instead, Jon has always rolled his eyes and made faces behind her back, like a little kid. What we've seen on the show is probably only a fraction of what went on. In her admittedly anal and controlling way of dealing with a large family, Jon wound up being treated like a child by Kate. But because he is seemingly so immature, he never manned up and became a partner in this relationship. If left to Jon's methods, they would have had a chaotic mess of a household. ...and I'm sick of saying that.
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 1:25 pm
I don't know these people but from what I get from watching the show is that Kate had very little love for Jon and she basically treated him very poorly. Jon never had the balls to completely stand his ground with Kate and in turn grew out of love. I think they both outgrew their love for each other. I suppose that's easy to do when you spend 4 straight years dealing with the sextuplet and the show. I hope Jon gets a good lawyer and gets custodial custody IMO he's the more relaxed parent and they do seem to lean on him more than on mom. Anyone know the divorce laws in PA....even split 50/50 and a no fault state? Either way he needs a good lawyer. Kate strikes me as one who may not want to share much except custody.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 1:51 pm
I suspect Jon would rather have the freedom to party and drive his new little car, which definitely is not 8-child friendly. That property is large enough, they could (if they did break up) do what Melissa Etheridge and ex did and live next door so the kids could run back and forth and have access to both parents. Punitively dividing up or demanding spousal support, not so useful. A parent and an attorney "win", kids lose. As for what they make, unless it is contractually all her income, then Jon also has income from the show and would have no ground to stand on to ask her to support him. A judge might even expect him to .. go get a job (this is all said talking to the point of custody/child support). At the moment they seem to be continuing on. People reported on line that Kate and the kids were filmed (by their crew, followed by 5 vehicles of paparazzi, shopping at a party store, buying pinatas and stuff for the little kids birthday party, but without Jon, but Jon and Mady and Cara joined in for the actual party, meanwhile Jon was seen picking kids up from school. I'm sure the paps are hot on the trail, hoping to get some comment or catch someone not wearing underwear, or driving drunk. Must be totally disappointing for them.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 1:51 pm
Hukd. I claim Rat Sass. 
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 2:11 pm
I sincerely hope there is no talk of divorce or separation. I hope they will work things out and make their marriage work. I'm a hopeless romantic and I want them to remember how they felt about each other before any kids came along.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 2:32 pm
I disagree, I think Kate has shown that she loves Jon many times.
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Lori32
Member
07-04-2008
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 3:28 pm
I agree texannie.. I also watch the episodes where the kids were smaller,and I'm sorry,but for all that said Kate didn't even love the kids,that she "had an agenda" before she had them? Noone can fake that love. You could see it all over her face. Just because she is not mooshy gooshy baby talk to them now doesn't mean she doesn't love them,just that they are growing up. My girls are loved now just as much even more than when they were toddlers,I just don't ask them if they want a "took-tee" (cookie) or if they want to carry daddy's "mack 'n dew" (mountain dew) to him like a big girl. OK I feel better now.. rats ass rats ass rats ass neener neener
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 4:21 pm
Ladies, ladies...
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Lori32
Member
07-04-2008
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 4:24 pm
omg thanks Op,LMAO...I am sooo sick,I needed a good laugh.(although it hurt,I NEEDED IT!!) thank you thank you thank you
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 5:04 pm
From TLC's twitter (twitter.com/tlc_pr): JON & KATE have been in the news a lot lately. Monday's premiere will feature their first sit down interview together: http://bit.ly/OhjYT
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 6:36 pm
I am watching Table for 12, and I love the Hayes family, but I guarantee if Kate had broken one of the kids' toy because they were fighting...she would be crucified! LOL
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 8:06 pm
tmz made a point when showing the pictures that they were told by TLC where and when to find them, it was their (tmz) opinion this is good for ratings - and they showed Jon and the bodyguard walking around talking...
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 8:39 pm
TMZ said that TLC told them where and when to find the Gosselins for paparazzi shots? Where did they say that?
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Kellsma
Member
08-28-2002
| Monday, May 18, 2009 - 9:00 pm
Texannie I just watched Table for 12 and the dad did not break the toy because they were crying. the toy got broken so it said he was just going to throw it away. He broke it a little more but it took it from one of the older kids and the boy just laughed when his dad did something funny with the toy.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 4:06 am
Reader, I have heard that from other sources too.... that the vast, overwhelming amount of time the paps receive calls from agents or the celebrities themselves letting them know where they will be. Like that mess with Britney Spears a year or so ago, apparently that girl can really dial. LOL Anyway, it worked..... I did not watch season 4 as there was nothing new/interesting but I will be watching next week as will, I am sure, tens of thousands of other (normally) non-viewers.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 4:48 am
I didn't say because they were crying. They have been (play) fighting with it. He did break it and laughed. It definitely was all good natured, and I have no quibble with what he did. My point was simply if Kate had done the same thing, people would not be so quick to defend.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 6:25 am
I think the point is, did TMZ really say that TLD told them where to find the Gosselins.. and of course IF they did, when? If they told them Kate was going to the party store with the kids, one thing, if they tipped them off that Jon was at a bar, different thing. As for "hearing" that agents of those like Britney or Lindsey call the paps when clients are wandering around in NYC or Hollywood.. different thing. I seriously doubt that Jon or Kate have been calling anyone and would like to see proof that TLC did that. They have a camera crew on them and of course if they leave the property paps can follow along and apparently do, but that is a different story. I sort of imagine that the paps in their area are a bit harder-up for celebrity sightings. Now like Hollywood or NYC or Vegas.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 6:34 am
why does it tickle me to think there are local 'paps' in PA looking for a story! LOL
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