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Stacey718995
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07-05-2007

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 8:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
This is a high profile situation. I can't imagine either of the parties would be stupid enough to make any move with out an attorney.

I would also be shocked if they didn't already have personal attorneys leading up to all of this. I would even suspect that they have been getting legal advice for quite some time.

As much as we might have fallen in love with them for being a family like the rest of the normal world, these people are very far removed from living any type of normal life. I don't think they make any move with out making it sure it is clearly planned out for the most part.

I don't think we need to fret over them not having legal representation. I would doubt she saw the paperwork, I am sure that it was all taken care of by her attorney based on what he knows of the state system and how to help her the best way through a divorce that will benefit her as much as it can. I am sure Jon's legal staff will reply the same way for his best benefit. This is way too public of an affair for them to just "wing it"

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 8:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
the color of her hair really doesn't bother me...its that part in the back that she has sticking up. I'm sorry, but that's NOT a good look for anyone! if you want the crown poofie, grow it long enough to rat it and poof it. Don't plaster it up.

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 8:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
some people call it a backwards mullet. lol

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 10:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
WOWOW do I have some new opinions here. I FINALLY got to see the full episode from last night and am no longer going off of clips. I must have seen a different program than many, as I took things VERY differently then much of what was posted here.

First, I saw FAR more sincere and heartfelt emotion from Jon then I did Kate, which honestly surprised me. HIS eyes were red, watery, and he totally choked up. The only time Kate did was when she was discussing what the breakup meant and she focused on it meaning failure. But he was more teary then she was. I mean actual tears and redness when talking about it, not just a tired look that may or may not have been prior tears.

To me Kate seemed far more upset about losing control of her marriage and it failing then she did about losing Jon from her life or concern for the kids. (I did see others mention the control thing and now I get what they were saying).

But what struck me most was how Jon seemed to be speaking honestly and from his heart. Kate, on the other hand, seemed to be creating an image and setting herself up to be a martyr. I expected she would do that over time, but hadn't realized she started last nite. SHEESH.

Even in the crooked house part when they were fighting over where to put them. She took endless shots at him, all the while saying how hard it would be but she HAD to do it for the sake of her children. What crap! And the men didn't change his mind because of some magic. They simply spoke with him logically about where it made more sense to go and why, instead of berating him and telling him how wrong his choice was. And I loved that he even admitted it was a bad idea afterwards. He struck me as wanting to shield the kids from the Paparazzi (bout damn time someone did that), and that is why he was going so far. So his heart IMHO was always in the right place.

I know I've been annoyed by her based on her horrid treatment of Jon in the past, and her razor sharp tongue and consistent sniping. And I guess I've had more sympathy for him for always enduring it. But if I had any doubts about her this nailed it for me. I saw a control freak of a women who cared about failing not losing a relationship, who wanted to gather sympathy and I really think had a script. I am SOOO over her! Those poor, poor kids!

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 10:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
ITA, Lurknomore. My take from last night is that John frequently talked about what "we" were going to do for the children and how "we" might handle it whereas with Kate, it almost always started out with "I".

It's a sad situation and it always takes two to end a marriage but just once, I would like to hear the woman say something kind about him. Just once.

I hope I'm wrong but I see a woman setting things up to have sole custody and complete control. Is anyone really surprised?

Glenrie
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03-24-2006

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 10:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Glenrie a private message Print Post    
If Jon wanted to protect the kids from the Paparazzi, he wouldn't have had them playing by the gate on Father's Day where they could hear questions about the marriage being yelled out to him.

The reason the men got Jon to change his mind about the houses is that Jon actually listened to them. He refused to even listen to Kate.

He's been an absentee father for a while now. Kids generally blame themselves when their parents split up. What are these kids going to hear? Their father saying I'm excited, I'm still young. Jon has made it clear that the kids are a burden.

Kate and the kids will be better in the long run without an immature parent figure. If Jon decides to grow up and take responsibility for his actions, Kate will probably take him back for the kids sake. He's Peter Pan and doesn't want to grow up. Counseling only helps with people who want to grow up.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 11:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
he wouldn't have had them playing by the gate on Father's Day where they could hear questions about the marriage being yelled out to him

i blame the paparazzi on this, not jon. they should have better sense than to yell questions about his marriage in front of the kids.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 11:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
I didn't see a single tear on Jon and he didn't look tired or sad to me. He looked like he couldn't wait to get out of there and back to living the single life. And if I were seperated from my husband he brought his young girlfriend over to our house with the kids there while I'm away I'd have a freaking cow and kick his butt to the curb big time. Keep the young chicks away from the kids.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 11:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
They were doing their job. His job was to protect his kids from them and he didn't do it. Their property is large enough that they could/should have been far away from public view.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 11:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Twinkie, I'd suggest you rewatch it. My opinion could possibly be wrong but it is fact his eyes were filled with tears, they were red rimmed, his voice often heavy with emotion (very noticable since he so seldom spoke w/emotion on the show). And easiest to spot is when he choked up trying to hold the tears back and tried to clear his throat to get past it, as men so often do. But the sound of choking up was crystal clear, as was his cracking voice.

As for the kids playing where they could hear....that isn't what I saw. Wish I remember what site I was on earlier as I saw a different angle (clear more than one Pap shot it and has it online, so this guy was standing on the other side). Anyway, they said fans yelled out Happy Father's Day and nice things so Jon went in the house to get them those pics he then autographed. And from what I saw the kids were way up the driveway well out of earshot.

All I know is Jon is the one who clearly said he would end the show, who expressed a problem with the Paparazzi and who worried about them pestering his kids. Kate made it clear she wanted the show to continue and it wasn't open to discussion. And when she speaks of the paparazzi I've only heard her complain about how it annoys her. Not once have I heard her express concern about how it is affecting the kids. All she does is trash them. And ironically I don't recall her complaining until there was negative print about her.

Clearly as on most things we have many perspectives here, which is what makes a discussion board go round. But I honestly feel the facts are what makes me dislike Kate.

And I don't disagree that Jon is overly giddy talking about his freedom and how young he still is. But my opinion is he has had years of verbal abuse, felt trapped for life, took all he could endure and now feels like he has been released from prison. But seeing how much he loves his kids, I have faith he will put that first in the long run. I just hope Kate doesn't fight him on it, all the while telling us it's for the good of the kids.

Long rant almost over. Know what convinces me I'm right on this? Today Kate was the one putting out negative things about Jon and aggressively pursuing the divorce. Jon remain dignified, refused to comment, only saying he was hurt and his concern is for his children. I might have respected her a bit more if she demonstrated the concern she speaks of. After all, actions do speak louder than words!

Danzdol
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04-21-2001

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Danzdol a private message Print Post    
Jon's comment of how he is saddened yet EXCITED because, you know, he is only 32...huh? Excited? Probably at the freedom he will now have without being tied to the kids 24/7.

Those were faux tears of joy. I mean, the possibilities.....

Holly
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
"My take from last night is that John frequently talked about what "we" were going to do for the children and how "we" might handle it whereas with Kate, it almost always started out with "I"."

Oh I noticed that too, and also agree with Lurk; Jon seemed much more genuine than she did in the interview. Kate is so much all about Kate. I see her ending up a very lonely woman.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 6:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I agree Lurk.
I really hope Kate doesn't turn this into a battle for the kids. If she makes it difficult for him to see them time and time again, he may just give up on it. That's his personality type and I think she knows it and will probably approach the custody and visitation in a bulldog manner and try to plow him over. For her to already suggest she has to protect herself and the kids tells me she will nitpick every thing he does with the kids. If he's 20 minutes late getting them home, she'll probably call her lawyer. I hope I'm dead wrong.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 6:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
For me it was undeniable true emotion that we saw from Jon. I didn't get any genuine feelings from Kate. She, in my eyes, was rehearsed and more acting, trying to act in a way she thought would be appropriate.

Jon has always been a loving father and that will not change. He's been hands on forever. If a father is excited about the future that can only be good for the kids. It beats a parent who seems to relish in the poor me aspect of divorce.

The kids are not stupid and have seen for years how mom and dad don't have a loving relationship and how mom berates dad regularly. So for them to see a parent optimistic is a good thing.

Having freedom or getting free from an unpleasant wife is naturally an exciting time although anytime a family becomes broken it's sad but being able to move on and knowing better times are ahead is a healthy way to cope.

The kids deserve at least one parent who has an optimistic view. There is nothing more cringe worthy than one parent being negative publicly towards the other parent...kids don't need that.

I'm a little concerned that Jon doesn't have an attorney yet, if that is true? He needs to find a competent person that can deal with Kate's ego centric personality. I trust Jon more than I do Kate for keeping the kids best interest in mind.

I wonder if this is true

www.nydailynews.com...new_jon_and_kate_plus

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Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 6:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I think showing his girlfriend would be reprehensible and if he is bringing his girlfriend around the kids while they aren't still divorced he should be ashamed of himself. I truly hope this isn't true.

Delurker
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08-19-2005

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 7:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Delurker a private message Print Post    
Roxip, ITA!!

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 7:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
As long as they are separated I don't think it's an issue.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 7:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
From an emotional standpoint as far as the kids are concerned (for that matter IMO as well), the marriage is over when Jon & Kate say that it is over regardless of whether the legal aspects have been finalized. Nevertheless IMO, it is pretty early at this point for Jon to consider introducing anyone to his children.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
My opinion (only an opinion) is that the girlfriend was there Father's Day weekend. One of the boys invited one of the girls to stay in the boy's crooked house because "she is my special girlfriend." That seems like a strange way to phrase it for a five year old. That might have been what Kate was talking about when she referred to weekend events pushing her to act.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
So how long have they been separated? I was only half listening to the local news channel this morning, and they were reporting on it, showing a clip from the show. After the segment, one of our news anchors said something like, "so if they're actually been apart for two years, then I guess that means everything they did on the show was a lie."

Are they now saying they've been apart for two years, or did our news anchors just misinterpret what the clip was about?

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Well, nothing says heartfelt sadness at the demise of your marriage like filming new episodes of a reality show with your twenty-something girlfriend.

Just to recap...

Jon is the only one truly sad about the breakup of the marriage despite the fact that he's said he's excited about the new chapter in his life and he's only 32. Jon hates the show, but he's going to continue filming it with his young GF because it's what good people do. I suppose if Jon ends up moving to NYC, it's only because he really loves his children and wants to spend time with them, unlike Kate.

Got it.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 7:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
the 2 years seperate has to do with the filings - she checked both boxes -

Lurk - ITA - and I cite the "excited" statement as proof, he didnt filter it, he was excited to not be in that relationship to move forward... and ITA with an earlier post about having responsiblities with so many kids so young - he is sowing his oats (not that I agree with it - it is what it is!)

To be honest, I was hurt by Kate's statement about the divorce," Jon countered Tuesday in his own release. "I have always done everything I can to protect our family. This weekend, I was home with the kids for four days, just being a dad. No nannies, just the kids and me."

and the ratings:
The family's troubles have resulted in huge ratings for the TLC show. The 10.6 million viewers who watched the Monday night show detailing the Gosselins' break up was a record, beating the huge audience for last month's "Jon & Kate" fifth season premiere by 800,000 viewers.

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/06/24/2009-06-24_new_jon_and_kate_plus_.html
(Jon's new girlfriend? )

I've seen Kevin and Jodi clips from radar online - Ive always liked Jodi, and I know she gets beat up a lot.. verbally on message boards..

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 7:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Wow....If TLC allows that to be filmed,they are reaching a new low.Regardless of whose side you are on,it's WAY too soon to introduce daddy's new girlfriend.(OR Mom's boyfriend) to those kids.That is insane to even CONSIDER. And anyone that comes up with a good reason for that,rethink it please.Because that can't be good for ANYONE!!

Serate
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08-21-2001

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Wow....If TLC allows that to be filmed,they are reaching a new low.Regardless of whose side you are on,it's WAY too soon to introduce daddy's new girlfriend.(OR Mom's boyfriend) to those kids.That is insane to even CONSIDER. And anyone that comes up with a good reason for that,rethink it please.Because that can't be good for ANYONE!!

I think this statement is one that we all can agree with. Well except those that are watching just for the train wreck and shock value.

IF TLC does this I'll have to reevaluate watching ANY shows on TLC, and possibly any other shows on Discovery owned channels.

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
I agree with Lurk, Kate is all about "poor Kate"...
Why didnt Kate talk with Jon about the houses befor he leveled all that space, why wait and moan on the delivery guys shoulders... Loved when that one guy said, "I know, Im married"...they prob felt bad for him... and the picnic in the yard....that was wierd to me.. they have done that all the time but this time she went on and on about how she likes to be outside with the kids...yaddda yadda...How happy she was out there with the kids, and then in the interview..."she was hiding her tears"...yuk.
complaining the whole time at how long it was taking, more complaining about Jon.... but when all is said and done.... she acted like it was her labor of love hanging a sticker in one of the houses...never once heard her say..."Good job Jon" "Looks great,lot of work,Thankyou"...Nothing.
somthing else that has bugged me is that she complains everytime he does somthing he likes to do.....his outdoor adventures, his motorcycle, doing 'guy' things or that he might want to get out and do somthings that he enjoys on his own...... has she forgotten she has a couple little boys...
and yet, she has her little outings on her own, her book stuff, her cooking stuff...these are things she is intrested in, I never hear Jon complaining about her enjoying her hobbys....even when some of those hobbys take her away from home and the kids.....what is up with that..
another thing....32 is young.... 22yrs younger then me...and thats a lot of years to be miserable.

maybe if the tummy tuck and the hair transplant had never happened..... they would still be 'Jon and Kate'.....
a month ago I had never even heard of this show.... sure did suck me in...lol