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Delurker
Member
08-19-2005
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:01 am
Amen Lori! I can't agree with those who are blaming this all on Kate either. I don't buy Jon was hurt,crying, etc. He even admitted he was 2 hours late for that interview because he didn't know what to say. I think he's running scared now because he got caught "with his pants down". Sure I think he loves his kids, do I think he's doing what's best for them right now? NO!
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:05 am
I'm sure this isn't the first time girlfriend was brought around the kids. They probably already know her. J&K haven't been a romantic couple for years and the kids easily can pick up on that. If what Jon said is true, that he wants to stop the fighting in front of the kids, it makes sense that he wants to show a loving relationship between man and woman. The kids aren't stupid. It must be nice for the kids to see dad happy with a woman that doesn't berate him continuously. Kate seemed to be ok with Jon going on with his personal life as long as he showed up on filming days. But now that he was "caught" with her he decided to fully move on...this is what bothers Kate. That this revelation for the public...that they aren't really a couple will interfere with filming and she was right it has. Production has shut down and regardless of what TLC says I'm not sure filming will ever resume. This has to have caused Kate to have a complete fit! She hurried up and filed divorce papers. She probably hopes to ink a deal with TLC on her own and hopes that TLC will cut Jon. But TLC knows that Jon is a big draw for viewers and if the above article is true TLC will incorporate the girlfriend into the show well, Kate CAN NOT be happy about that. Maybe if her bodyguard wasn't married (if the rumors are true that she's been playing footsie with him) Kate would be able to bring him into the show too and she'd feel she was even with Jon. I doubt we'll see anymore Jon and Kate. TLC is getting a lot of bad press but then again it's all about $$$$$$ and Monday's show was another top viewed show, over 10 million people tuned in.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:13 am
I watched it last night and here is what I got: John all along has been sorta passive (passive aggressive-ish) and does just what is necessary to get by with Kate. Never really doing what he wanted, never really saying muhc, not taking much initiative in the family. Therefor the bulk of it fell on Kate, stress is high. All along he should have been stepping up more and being a co-parent instead of the 'other' parent, leaving Kate to wear the pants, be the boss, etc. Instead, he let it all build up and now what I see is John wants out, Kate does not, he's walking, she's crushed.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:16 am
"It must be nice for the kids to see dad happy with a woman that doesn't berate him continuously." I think that anyone who has experienced adultery in their family will understand that this is not how the children are going to react. I could say much, much more, but I'm going to mod myself.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:16 am
Jhezzie, the extraordinary circumstance I was referring to was their having that many children all at one time. The media circus was their own doing.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:23 am
I agree that Jon should be cautious about who he introduces to his kids. However, IMO it is not adultery from a moral standpoint if the couple has agreed that the marriage is over.
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Irsnappy
Member
01-13-2009
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:34 am
If Jon brought a "special friend" around at this early date it is reprehensible and done to just hurt Kate. Most reasonable people don't introduce their "apecial friends" for quite some time after separation and it was Father's Day not "special friend" day. It was an awful idea IMO.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:38 am
The kids live in that house and have seen the discourse between the 2. They are privy to conversations-fights, remember there was a TLC report not long ago (don't have the link) that said they were have trouble finding enough footage to air because Jon and Kate were fighting so much and they couldn't air that. I have to assume the kids were there and know all about mommy and daddy not really loving one another like moms and dads do. I also believe the reports that say that KATE called it quits with Jon a while ago and said to move on be discrete and show up for filming. It's obvious that the show was as far from reality as could be. The family life was faked and contrived. The only realness portrayed was Jon's consistent work around the house and care-giving to the kids and Kates book tour and her cooking meals for the kids. The sometimes tenderness or mothering she showed, I have to believe was for the camera. I'm not saying she doesn't love the kids dearly but what she shows the camera is not reality, it can't be. What mother gives permission for dad to move on as long as he continues to show up for filming and for work around the house and to take care of the kids. She should have come clean and ended it when she felt she no longer loved Jon but instead she showed the kids what it's like to fake it for the cameras.
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Delurker
Member
08-19-2005
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:41 am
How does anyone other than J&K themselves know she gave him permission to move on? Aunt Jodie and Uncle Kevin's word? Sorry but I'm not buying that!
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:44 am
I'm team Jon, but I agree about bringing the girlfriend around -- it's too soon. Unless he's marrying this girl, he needs to make sure he doesn't parade date after date in front of these kids. It's not healthy for them at all. I don't know enough about this date to know how long he's been seeing her? Did he just meet her? If Kate got wind that the girlfriend would be filmed -- no wonder she's fuming and filing divorce papers! She didn't even want her family members (Jodi) to be filmed and compensated. This probably really has her feathers ruffled.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:48 am
She should be crushed, she treated her husband like crap. I'm sorry I cannot side with kate and I don't know how anyone can to be honest. when she said "I don't want to be alone" the first thing out of my husband's mouth was "well then you better learn how to treat your partner" I also can't believe people calling Jon an "absent father" how is that even possible? Why because he doesn't live in that home? PLEASE! When Kate's away on her book tour, speaking engagements etc..JON is the one with the KIDS!!
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:48 am
There is never a perfect time to introduce your special friend. I feel it was probably the right time. Jon doesn't strike me as the type deny truth, anymore. Kate's hold over Jon seems to have diminished. Plus it was Father's Day. He probably felt liberated that he can spend this day truthfully with his kids. Truth is good especially when the kids have been living with lies that mommy and daddy have been telling the TV cameras. Maybe the kids can now feel they don't have to question dads truthfulness anymore. Mom might still be suspect especially if she tries to turn the kids on Jon. Sorry to say I think Kate is digging a big hole for herself not only with the public but also with the kids.
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Irsnappy
Member
01-13-2009
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:49 am
I am not buying it either Delurker, just doesn't seem to be what a hurt wife would do. I can't help it but I am mad at Jon. Kate is no angel but who is and I think with the job she has i.e. 8 kids she has done a reasonably good job. And yeah, going to live in NY is "for the kids" good one.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:53 am
How does anyone other than J&K themselves know she gave him permission to move on? How does anyone other than J&K themselves know she DIDN'T give him permission to move on? I think alot of the comments about it being ok to move on start with IF. Has their been any proof that Jon had a woman over at the house on Father's day, or is that all conjecture? If he did, well shame on him! I've said it before, I'll say it again. I'm Team Kids. NOT that anybody that is pro Kate and pro Jon aren't for the kids. But I'd be more than happy to never ever see Jon or Kate on TV ever again. Just the kids. Someone on another board stated that if Jon and Kate cant work it out, they should give their kids to the Duggars and pay for the name changes. My thought is would the Duggars be able to come up with 7 more J names? 
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 9:00 am
LMAO Serate!
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 9:07 am
How does anyone other than J&K themselves know she gave him permission to move on? Aunt Jodie and Uncle Kevin's word? Sorry but I'm not buying that! There are LOTS of assumptions made here. <77> Why didnt Kate talk with Jon about the houses befor he leveled all that space, why wait and moan on the delivery guys shoulders Why didn't Jon talk with Kate? Why does the negative always revolve around Kate? I guess Jon has no responsibility for any of the issues those two had/have. ...complaining the whole time at how long it was taking, more complaining about Jon...never once heard her say..."Good job Jon" "Looks great,lot of work,Thankyou"...Nothing. Jon assisted the Crooked House guys, he didn't single handedly put them up. We all saw the phone call he had with her, "this is where they're going, bye". Nice communication skills from a 32 year old. And once the Crooked House guys suggested Kate's placement of the house was better, suddenly Jon changed his mind. He is SO easily led around by his nose, so immature. But his new chest puffing, smart-mouthed attitude with Kate is somehow construed as a mature and positive thing. As long as he's going against Kate, he's being cheered on. It's unbelievable. ...and yet, she has her little outings on her own, her book stuff, her cooking stuff...these are things she is intrested in, I never hear Jon complaining about her enjoying her hobbys Those activities are NOT hobbies. She did/does these things to make the family money. Right or wrong, she was the breadwinner. And Jon certainly DID complain about being a stay at home Dad. Rewatch the Orange County Chopper episode. He whined and sniped the entire time about his horrid life where his activities centered around "5 year old things". Unfortunately for this "loving father" he had to cart those 8 kids with him and wasn't able to spend time doing things a 32 year old should be able to do (hang around with guy AND girl friends, go out to bars, who knows what else). Must have been a miserable life for poor Jon, having to babysit his OWN kids while his wife went out and earned them a fortune (which he cheerfully spends).
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 9:14 am
Reader stated: Wow....If TLC allows that to be filmed,they are reaching a new low.Regardless of whose side you are on,it's WAY too soon to introduce daddy's new girlfriend.(OR Mom's boyfriend) to those kids.That is insane to even CONSIDER. And anyone that comes up with a good reason for that,rethink it please.Because that can't be good for ANYONE!! I have to agree, Reader. If this relationship is real (and it seems to be with so many different sources reporting on it) she shouldn't be on the show or even around the children this soon. I don't see this relationship lasting. She is much too young to deal with 8 children, even though she is a schoolteacher. I feel her infatuation with Jon right now is that he can take her places and live the high life. When the money dries up, she might re-evaluate the relationship. Things seem to have backfired on Kate, as I'm sure she probably thought no one would want the Jon she had to boss around all the time. It's never the best idea to let your guy know you're done unless your ready for the possibility of him finding another woman. I feel Jon felt unloved and is trying to prove he is loveable. Not the best thing to do right now, but he does seem hurt very much by the divorce and is probably acting out. Lurk, I agree with your post after you saw the whole show. Jon came across very sad. That's how I saw it also. Jon seemed very upset; whereas Kate mentioned she had 'bawled her eyes out earlier in the day' which I believe, but I agree that she's more upset by the failure of the marriage than the loss of Jon. John's reply to Kate's statement about filing for a legal separation to protect herself and the children from Jon: To be honest, I was hurt by Kate's statement about the divorce," Jon countered Tuesday in his own release. "I have always done everything I can to protect our family. This weekend, I was home with the kids for four days, just being a dad. No nannies, just the kids and me." Way to go to become friends, Kate. How can that ever happen when you make statements that are meant to demean and hurt Jon? Hopefully, Jon will meet someone in the future who is closer to his age and can handle the 'reality' of dating a man with 8 children.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 9:15 am
Huk, two brains, one thought...you and me. Well said!
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 9:17 am
Once the dust settles I think the children will be lucky to see their dad. I have a feeling he's going to be making himself pretty scare.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 9:18 am
I fault both of them.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 9:26 am
I don't see anyone saying that Kate was nice to Jon. What I also don't see here is many people saying Jon has ANY part of this marriage's downfall. And THAT is what riles me up so. Do I personally give 2 shits about either of them? No. But I do think that it is pretty shocking that so many females are completely blindsided as to Jon's role in this mess, and the support he receives when he has been less than the upstanding father we are supposed to believe he is. Kate's control issues and bitchiness apparently override what is proper behavior for the father of 8 young children. Get a divorce, and THEN go out on the town and pretend you're 20 again.
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Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 9:28 am
I am with you Scoot. I am a firm believer that it takes 2 to make a relationship work and it takes 2 to ruin it as well. I do not know one person in this world that is perfect. each person has to give 100% to a relationship.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 9:30 am
Ditto to both your posts Huk!
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Mush
Member
09-09-2002
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 9:31 am
I also didn't watch this show at all until the Memorial Day marathon, and came to the boards because I was shocked at the obvious favoritism that Kate showed for the girls (JMO -- don't want to start THAT discussion!) and her disrespectful treatment of Jon. Little did I know what I was getting in to! My marriage is similar to Kate and Jon's in that the wife (me) is type A and the husband is not. For us, this went along fine until he decided several years and two kids later that he didn't want me making all the decisions and running everything. It's been hard, but I recognized the importance of changing this dynamic, we've both worked on me not taking control and him taking control, and we're still together. So, when I see Kate's behavior I see me, but my sympathies are with Jon. In the interviews, I see Jon as less guarded and more genuine. Unlike Kate, he doesn't strike me as being very publicity-savvy and careful about how things he says might come across. He may be sad that the divorce is happening instead of their marriage improving, but if he continues to be miserable in the marriage of course he is excited about the future! I find his comments honest, but not politically-correct, and cut him some slack.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 9:31 am
There are LOTS of assumptions made here. <77> I for one haven't made any more anti-Kate assumptions than I have anti-Jon assumptions. I can't stand EITHER of them! Why didn't Jon talk with Kate? Totally agree! Why does the negative always revolve around Kate? I see spurts of anti-Kate in here and then spurts of anti-Jon in here. Personally I have spoken up for both of them, and against both of them. Probably more the latter than the former. I guess Jon has no responsibility for any of the issues those two had/have. Jon is as much to blame as Kate is. The kids are the ONLY innocent ones here! I fault both of them. So do I.
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