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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 3:28 pm
<99> And I'm not sure we can conclude that Kate has handled the divorce any better just because she isn't misbehaving in public. It appears Jon's antics are not in front of his kids, they are in front of the paps. We don't get to see much of either of their behavior in front of the kids, only what TLC shows us. For all we know Kate could be sitting in her room crying all day while the nannies care for the kids. Or she could be walking around mad all day, slamming doors and yelling at the kids for leaving a crumb on the floor. We really have no way of concluding that she's handling it so well just because she's better spoken on TV interviews. I think the only way I could use the words "Kate" and "angel" in the same sentence is if I added "of Darkness". 
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 3:55 pm
People view situations based a great deal on their own life experiences. As a child of divorce, I may view a situation different than someone whose family never went through it, maybe not. As a child of parents where one was very vocal and opinionated and one was more passive, I may view a situation differently than others, maybe not. Doesn't make my view wrong, doesn't make anyone else's view wrong. Just makes it different.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 3:56 pm
And I'm not sure we can conclude that Kate has handled the divorce any better just because she isn't misbehaving in public. absolutely we have no way of knowing what's going on in public, but since everyone seems so worried about how the publicity is effecting the children, i think how each of the parent acts in public is very important.
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Kittyab
Member
07-15-2005
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 4:11 pm
I just think Kate is being more mature about all of this then Jon.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 4:19 pm
I think how the parents are behaving in private, when they are with the kids, has much more impact on those kids than something happening in public that they may never see or hear about. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall for sure!
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Moderator
Moderator
06-29-2002
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 4:20 pm
Several posts have been removed from this thread AGAIN. We'll be happy to close it, if you can't tell the difference between discussing Jon and Kate and discussing each other.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 4:32 pm
True Keldogg! I had parents that were fairly strict, tried to get us to eat healthy, and my mom was a clean fanatic....sound familiar? I also knew/know every moment of every day how much my parents love me. The difference is, Dad had a miserable childhood and would work three jobs at times to ensure that mom could be there for us and him. True, nobody ever yelled in our house, but my parents had the same goals/values. Therefore, I can totally relate to Kate and can't at all to Jon.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 5:01 pm
Cricket: How do we not know that is all Kate is allowing? What is wrong with Jon ONLY having 1/2 day? Isn't that exactly the most each parent should have if they are not going to be together? Rissa, absolutely nothing wrong with it; however, it was stated that 1/2 day was all Jon wanted to spend with his children, as if he were too busy for them on Christmas. I'm still wondering what happened to what Kate said about she'd do anything so her children could have both their parents as a family on holidays. It's so soon to stop that already. Brenda stated: I think how the parents are behaving in private, when they are with the kids, has much more impact on those kids than something happening in public that they may never see or hear about. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall for sure! Very well stated, Brenda. It's the parent who can refrain from badmouthing the other parent to the children that would have the children's best interests at heart.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 5:23 pm
From what I was reading last night, Christmas is a shared holiday and they will both be with the children at the house. Maybe he can only spend half of Thanksgiving with the kids because he has plans to go to Hailey's for Thanksgiving. At least that's what he said he was going to do.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 5:41 pm
Oh, I see what you're saying Cricket. Duh Rissa. LOL I get that both Jon/Kate are trying to get their attitude daggers in the other when speaking so I tend to be oblivious to the tone and just focus on the words. Most of the snarky stuff they add to their comments just goes right over my head, figure its par for the course in most divorces.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 8:25 pm
Lol, Rissa, no problem. I was responding to a post here by a poster who said Jon only wanted to spend 1/2 a day with his children. Could be an misunderstanding from an article they read or that Kate and he came to that agreement and from reading Sabbatia's post, it could have been Thanksgiving that was being talked about. Is he back on with Hailey....or was their separation just to get the media to leave them alone? I'm happy to hear Christmas will be a shared holiday, Sabbatia. I hope nothing happens to change that.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 8:57 pm
Last I read, that was his plan for Thanksgiving even though they are "not together". I'm like you, I can only speculate as to their relationship at this time. Who knows? I believe it was Kate that said that about Christmas..and from what I've read, Jon is saying the same thing..which I'm thankful for!
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 5:32 am
Good Lord Jon, how many missteps can one person make? (sigh). Why can't he seem to see what is painfully obvious to others? He really does need someone who will be in his corner and protect him from himself. Jon Gosselin's Secret Contract With Kate Major Jon Gosselin signed a secret, hand-written contract with Kate Major, hiring her as his personal assistant, promising to pay her a percentage of his "accounts" and spelling out that she would not talk about their relationship. ETA: In case it isn't obvious to what glaring blunder I am referring.... he signed the above at the end of July, after almost 6 months worth of warnings from the TLC legal team that he was repeatedly breaking their contract. But in spite of having at least one attorney, an agent, the amazing Mr. Lohan (lol), the stories in the media and all those warnings... he thought it was a GOOD idea to put an illegal agreement in writing? {sigh}. PS Gotta love the way Kate Major underlined the word *our* as in 'our relationship'. I would have run for the hills when I saw that she had done that.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 9:31 am
As much as I dislike Jon's behavior, I still can't help thinking that alcohol plays a big part of his erratic behavior. He said that his grandfather and his father were alcoholics. Knowing that he has that predisposition, he should stay away from the booze but he seems to have a social life that revolves around drinking and bars. It would not surprise me if a lot of his behavior on the show and his misbehavior after the split has been while he's been drinking. This would also explain Kate's statement about having dealt with this issue for a long time. I don't think even Jon would have been stupid enough to have affairs while he is involved in the the show as part of a couple, but drinking seems quite plausible.
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Kittyab
Member
07-15-2005
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 12:29 pm
Mama, maybe he got really drunk last spring and was abusive and thats why Kate said no to counciling and filed for divorced. Remember she said he bahavior over the weekend left her no choice.... Thats tells me he was drinking not cheating.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 12:41 pm
I do think Jon drinks too much when he's out with his women friends, out partying -- it seems to lead to some stupid choices. But I'm having doubts he does it around home or around Kate and the kids. If he had, I don't think Kate would have allowed him equal time with the kids, unsupervised time, etc. I think she would have raised holy he** to keep him away from them if he had displayed any kind of drunken behavior while they were around or any abusive behavior.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 1:35 pm
Brenda....the kids go to bed early.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:19 pm
He smokes around the kids in front of the paparazzi, he reportedly had sex in the hottub in front of windows where the kids could have looked out with the nanny/bartender woman, hard to think he never drank at home, but I guess stranger things have happened. This latest thing with his handwritten contract with Kate Major.. well he also made the nanny/bartender sign some "document" as well.. What is interesting is that I'm betting there were NO attorneys around for those contract signings so now Jon is saying he was so naive and suing over the contracts HE signed but he was okay with having the women in his life sign to protect and shield him. Naive that it would work, but certainly not naive in trying to cover his own butt/image. http://www.popeater.com/2009/11/18/jon-gosselin-kate-major-contract-radaronline/ Also court has ruled that TLC can depose Kate Major.. http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-court-rules-tlc-can-depose-kate-major So far TLC has received court permission to depose Kate Major, Jon’s bodyguard Thomas Meinelt, Mike Heller, Mark Heller, Hailey Glassman, Matthew Kirschner and Michael Lohan.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:29 pm
Sea, he had a lawyer AND an agent or manager when he/Kate signed all the contracts with TLC except for (I believe) the first one. In addition the last one was only signed after extensive negotiations with his/Kate's *team*. So your point is spot on.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:31 pm
Does anyone know.... do the lawyers need to prove to the court that there is a legitimate reason to dispose these witness' or can they just dispose anyone they want?
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:32 pm
I don't think alcohol abuse was what set this couple and this family down the toilet. It was the jarring responsibilities care taking of these sextuplets. The marriage ended when the kids were brought home and neither Jon nor Kate had time for the marriage. It was all about the kids. Then bring the tv show, fame, fortune into the mix and they never had a chance. The kids will realize this as they get older. Very sad. Everything that happened after the fact like Kate's attitude towards Jon, the lime light of the show were only the by product of having the sextuplets. Their love was not strong enough to begin with.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:32 pm
If Jon indeed does have a drinking problem (and maybe it got worse after his separation; who knows), I doubt it'd stop when the kids are around. People who have untreated addictions, despite the love they feel for their loved ones, usually are not capable of abstaining from their addiction just because their children or whomever else is around. They may try to hide it from the loved one(s), even when in their presence, but they typically do not abstain from its use. An example of an alcoholic having been under the influence in front of his children is David Hasselhoff (sp). So if Jon is headed towards being an alcoholic or is one already, I don't see it ceasing when he's around children. I hope he doesn't drink and drive with his kids in the car, but if one is an addict their judgment, both when sober or inebriated, is impaired.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:35 pm
Jon also says he is "too famous" for a normal job.. http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-im-too-famous-regular-job-jon-gosselin-says-new-court-papers The burden of fame apparently weighs heavily on Jon Gosselin, according to new court papers obtained exclusively by RadarOnline.com. While battling TLC in a breach of contract lawsuit, Jon says the reason he can't simply go out and get a regular job is because he's too famous! In an affidavit filed as part of the lawsuit and obtained only by RadarOnline.com, Jon states: "Now, I find myself unemployed and without the ability to secure non-entertainment related engagements because the enormous Media interest, cameras, reporters and public interest makes it impossible to carry on normal daily activities, let alone find, secure and maintain a job with an employer who is willing to be exposed to the daily Media intrusions that has impeded by life." Jon also states that TLC staged scenes for Jon & Kate Plus 8. "Plaintiff through its representatives and agents organize activities for me and my children, rehearsed and staged scenes, directed our actions and suggested dialogue, words, responses and conduct," he wrote in the affidavit, which is working its way through the Montgomery County, MD Circuit Court. Another headline-worthy charge from Jon is that TLC likes Kate more than it likes him! He states the network enforced the contract, "strictly and harshly towards me, while leniently, if at all, applying them towards my wife. The Plaintiff has promoted and even facilitated opportunities and appearances for my wife, yet attempts to restrain and enjoin me from making a living for my family." Jon forced the show into hiatus when he denied TLC permission to film his kids, saying the show was harmful to them. This reversed his earlier position that the show was great for the kids! Mark Heller also supplied an affidavit for the court file and while he claims that Jon's contract with TLC is null and void he also says that Jon didn't breach the contract with his various non-approved media appearances. Heller says Jon was required only to give notice of interviews and that Heller gave TLC advance notice. As RadarOnline.com reported exclusively, Jon has filed a $5 million countersuit against TLC and claims the network is preventing him from earning a living as an "on-camera personality." Heller is representing Jon, along with Maryland lawyer Christopher Hostage. TLC is seeking a preliminary injunction against Jon on Dec. 14, and Jon is expected to be questioned under oath by Paul Gaffney, the lead attorney on the case for Williams & Connolly, the powerhouse law firm representing the plaintiff's. Gaffney has already scheduled depositions for several of Jon's inner circle before the court date. All of the paperwork in the case, which is available only on RadarOnline.com, indicates Jon's main argument is his contract should be void because it is against Public Policy. He and his lawyers argue that Jon was "unsophisticated" and didn't understand the first contract he signed with TLC and that Jon and Kate were not represented by a lawyer or manager at the time. The contract has been renegotiated several times, and Jon and Kate did have legal representation, but his team is attempting to dodge that by claiming TLC wouldn't allow the Gosselins to renegotiate certain restrictive provisions. Team Jon also contends that TLC violated Pennsylvania child labor laws, cut Jon off from the media, took advantage of his children and owes him $175,000. FUN FACTS ABOUT THE COURT CASE: Jon & Kate were paid $2,000 per episode when the show began...By 2008 Jon was earning $22,500 per half hour episode and $45,000 for an hour episode... In his affidavit Jon says he thought he was allowed to make (paid) media appearances that TLC is now complaining about... a video clip of Kate denying water to the kids is referenced several times in the court file by Jon's reps... The Gosselins' contract could prohibit their kids from academic, athletic or religious pursuits, Jon's lawyers contend... Jon's lawyer do not address the fact that TLC was still going to pay Jon his full salary when they decided to change the show to Kate Plus 8, a huge hole in their legal argument that is likely to be exploited by the other side.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:50 pm
Has Jon even tried to gain non-entertainment employment? Has he applied for a regular job?
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:52 pm
"a video clip of Kate denying water to the kids is referenced several times in the court file by Jon's reps" What does that have to do with TLC? That is Kate denying water. "He states the network enforced the contract, "strictly and harshly towards me, while leniently, if at all, applying them towards my wife." TLC does not have to enforce the contract with Kate if she is not breaching the contract. I just don't see any of this going Jon's way. I hate to think of all the money that will be spent on all these lawyers and court proceedings. All that money could have gone better things like to retirement funds, future grandchildren, or charity if they had so much they didn't know what to do with it. I respect Jon less and less as time goes on, and I didn't have a whole lot of respect for him to begin with. I think he is very selfish and does not even realize how his actions affect his kids, Kate, or other people in his life such as Hailey. Re: his drinking, what worries me most is that he has said he worries about becoming an alcoholic/having a drinking problem because of genetics.
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