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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 7:15 pm
And that would certainly be your choice, though true poverty might be worse than you think 
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 6:14 am
I am sure of that, but no way do I think they would end up in poverty if they quit the show. With the $$ they've already made plus 2 capable parents (and the kids old enough to be in school-therefor daycare costs would be a lot less than when they were infants), there is no way they would end up in true poverty.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 6:18 am
Absolutely Julie, plus Kate has another show in the works, at least one book already done and ready for release. Stop filming the dang kids does not mean we will be handing them food stamps. Plus, most of us have kids and we know... diapers are done, formula is done. Not saying 8 kids is cheap but with two parents working (even as a nurse and IT) with a house that is paid for, cars that are paid for and a cushion in the bank? Ya they will be comfortable even if they never did anything celeb related again.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 7:35 am
Is there going to be a change in the title of the thread to "Kate plus 8"??

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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 7:57 am
I doubt it as Jon is typically a huge part of this discussion! Hmmm, wonder if that means there should be TWO threads. Cuz I bet the new show won't mention him much. Yet most of the commentary here involves him in a large degree.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 7:58 am
Living in poverty after 4 or so years of making millions and (still) all sorts of freebies coming your way? Gimme a break! And as if she would go back to a nursing job...right off The View and into the nurse's uniform, right! 
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 8:08 am
When I mentioned the different life they might have it was if they never did the show. Now they are under contract and might not have the option of quitting. I really hate to think of the life the entire family would be living without the money that has come from the show and the perks that come with the show. At this point in time, if it was not a good thing for them and if it would embarrass the kids, too late. It's out there and they might as well make as much out of it as they can.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 8:13 am
Do those who feel the kids are exploited and overexposed feel the same about the Roloff kids? Kate *likes* her new career. She can say all she wants that it's "for the kids", but she wouldn't give it up "for the kids". I don't have a problem with her liking her career or investing time in it, I just wish she'd own up to it. Back in a nurses uniform... HA!
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 8:24 am
I don't remember seeing the Roloff's in the media everyday and certainly never even close to the way Jon and Kate, (even pre divorce) would bring out the kids for photo shoot after photo shoot. Even when the Roloff dad got a DUI the media coverage was swift but quickly over. The Roloff kids started their show much older than the sextuplets did and they had some clue to what their parents signed them up for where the sextuplets were born right into the cameras and public life.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 8:44 am
Brenda, I honestly wouldn't know even one of the Roloffs if they ran me over in my driveway. Seriously, I can tell you that I've never laid eyes on any of them. So apparently, they are not being exploited and overexposed, showing up in every tabloid magazine you see on the racks in stores, or reruns on TV 24/7 some days. Nor have I read any vitriol on the internet about one of their kids who is often shown acting like a brat on TV. So guess my answer is no.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 8:58 am
Point taken. I agree that the People Mag covers, the Larry King interviews have been an interesting choice to say the least. I don't think they can do much about the paps though. There is a firestorm of curiosity around the divorce and they have only fanned the flames, not tried to put them out. So, yes, all this behavior is quite different than the Roloffs. But I think there are some who assert the TV show in general is exploitive and I don't really see it any different than the Roloff's show, whick I don't feel is exploitive. So I guess I agree they are overexposed right now, but not exploited. Not yet. LOL.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 10:03 am
My thoughts...and not really an answer to your question, sorry... I think it's different with the Roloffs. I think the public/viewers were more interested in seeing the sextuplets and how J & K managed their lives with the tups already having young twins. I think the premise for J&K+8 was how different things are for that family. I think the premise for LPBW is how much the same they are as other families. Their intro to each show even says something like that. I think J&K generated more interest because of that premise...because they were so different. (Not sure the viewership nos. would confirm that.) Viewers were somewhat fascinated by this different family. They were also somewhat more accessible than the Roloffs who live far from the road on many acres of land. The Roloffs do not seem to have changed their lives separately or their family life because of the tv show. J&K have had very different lives because of the tv show. Then, when things became scandalous with Jon's behavior...interest increased astronomically. It is still like a fire that isn't contained...re Jon. There isn't much out there lately about Kate. Even with Matt Roloff's scandal of the DUI, it got attention but that was the only scandalous thing. There is no other scandal, so, no negative media attention. (Also, if I remember correctly, Matt wasn't drunk and so wasn't convicted. Although, he may have been in the past. I don't remember for sure. Whatever happened, they all dealt with it in a non scandalous way with Matt admitting to having made that dui mistake previously, if I remember correctly, I could be wrong. Matt went through this court proceeding worried but with a respect for the justice system.) In thinking about the question whether the Gosselin kids are more exploited than the Roloff kids...or if any of them are exploited....hmmm...I guess in theory, I do think the G's are more exploited than the R's. I think the G's have maybe been filmed more. I'm sure there are more eps. But I could be wrong on both of those counts. I also think that in theory the G's are more exploited because they had no say in it because they were too young. (Jake Roloff probably had no say either.) I do not think it is entirely a bad thing that the G's were on tv and continue to be on tv. I think overall, especially now that they live in a much less accessible house, the lives of the G kids will be enhanced, and have been enhanced by doing/having done the show. Yes, I think there are some negatives. There are some embarrassments that have been seen by the world that would not have otherwise been seen. (Same with any tv family including the Roloffs.) I actually think, the tradeoffs are probably worth it though...taking everything into account in the overall picture. (Would their parents have stayed married if they hadn't done the show...doubtful. Maybe they would not have broken up this soon...maybe it would have been sooner.) I hope I am correct about the G kids lives being enhanced in the overall picture. I do worry about the G kids, preteens and teens have such a different view of life and things affect them emotionally in such a different way, things that never bothered them before and won't bother them after when they are adults. While their dad (and mom to some extent, imo almost entirely because of Jon) is very overexposed now, I don't think the G kids themselves really are right now. I am very glad they moved to a more secluded property. Separate topic...J&K could never have paid for daycare for 6 or 8 preschool aged kids on 1 nurse's salary and 1 IT's salary.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 10:17 am
Nice Analysis Happymom. I agree there is a different feel to the two shows. J&K seemed to transform into a show about all the free trips and free stuff they got for the new house. And while we saw the R's doing rennovations to their home using money they likely got from the show, it had a different feel about it. And we also saw the R's taking trips, but they just felt more like natural family vacations. We also continued to see the R's doing their day jobs: the mom teaching school and going on speaking engagements and the dad doing his work for the LP group, and selling those stools to hotels, and other charity work. It feels like all we saw of J&K was them doing show and publicity related stuff. Just a general different feeling overall. Interesting. It's like for J&K their life became the show, while for the R's, the show was just a small part of their life.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 10:29 am
One thing that bothers me...I looked at a picture of the family and all the children look like Jon! When my folks got a divorce I remember whenever I did something wrong my mother would say...not only do I look like my dad's side but I act like them. Now I know that she loved me but still I had to grow up with the fact that she couldn't live with him so how does she live with me. Kids are funny creatures and make all events pertain to them personally. When Kate gets frustrated will she say "Oh you are your dad's child."
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Mgmriver
Member
04-27-2009
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 10:53 am
It's hard to compare the Roloff's to the G's. The R's are not a perfect family and they don't strive to be. The kids don't listen, the house is in a constant state of untidiness, the parents argue, the kids fight but with all this happening there is an overriding sense of family and marital love. They come across as "nice:. There wasn't anything for the media to latch onto. With Jon and Kate I think they gave the media a lot to grab onto. Their marriage was easy to pick on and make notice and fun of. Both Jon and Kate became cartoonish characters and with as often as Jon and Kate made the kids and themselves available for press it was inevitable that things would begin to snowball- especially since Kate got the reputation of being not very likable....it ended up being the perfect storm and in the end the kids lost an intact family unit, all for the almighty dollar and ego.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 10:57 am
My mother always said that I was pure G### (my maiden name) through and through. I took it as a complement even though she didn't mean it as such. I loved my father and his family and couldn't stand being around my mother's sisters. My cousin and I laugh about which of our kids are pure G###. My granddaughter qualifies and she was adopted. 
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 11:07 am
I see no reason to split off a thread. We talk about off camera family of people on TV all the time and besides there will be plenty of reruns ON tv with Jon in them. ETA: Actually the press release says Jon will be involved, just not as much, in the show Kate Plus Eight. I don't think we can stand outside and SAY what broke up the family unit. Kate says it would have broken up anyway. And we can only speculate on their true motivation for doing anything they do.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 11:09 am
I don't think any of the kids besides perhaps Leah and Collin and maybe Mady a little bit(hope I am naming the right two sext., always get them mixed up) look anything like Jon. Hannah and Aaden look just like Kate. Perhaps if we had pics of Jon/Kate's families we could see which side they lean towards a bit better. But, I do know what you mean SG... my dad got the same treatment growing up... 'just like your father' was never meant as a positive.
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 11:18 am
From an AOL site regarding "demotion and divorce": It's curious that both items were announced on the same day: Jon gets demoted in TV-land, and he says he may want to be invited back into the house that has all those cameras rolling, in the name of love and family. The plan to turn the show into single-mom-raises-eight-kids may get kiboshed by Jon, who supposedly wants to reapply for full-time dad and high-income TV-star status. Love the change in the title of this thread !
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 12:14 pm
Kate has said many times she is happy that the kids all have that oriental look like their father. She said one reason she fell in love with him was his looks. And they all look like him.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 12:38 pm
Oh, there are moments now and then when I think the words "you are just like your father" in regards to my son's behavior. But out of love, I never ever ever have said them. An old friend once told me that it almost requires sainthood to coparent with someone you no longer respect. He was right. My thinking may not even come close to saintly, but I make sure I never badmouth his dad. I'd rather bite off my tongue, seriously.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 12:54 pm
Marameko, it is curious especially since Jon said that he no longer wanted to do the show. He has his wish now, almost...his name isn't in the title and he won't be shown on camera as much...his wish is almost fulfilled. He should be happy about it.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 12:54 pm
Karuuna...what you said! Unfortunately right now my ex lives in my upstairs bedroom...where he's been for 2 years...my tongue is probably an inch shorter from having to bite it so often!
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 1:01 pm
It is so interesting how we can see the same things and see them very differently. To me, Jon looks part Asian. (and he is) When all 8 were babies, they looked more Asian to me than they do now. To me, none of them look like Kate and none of them look like Jon now. Mady is the only one who looks Asian to me now...but I don't think she looks like Jon. I really had to think about that, I don't really notice anything other than who they are now. I used to have a hard time telling Alexis and Leah apart when they were younger.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 4:02 pm
http://perezhilton.com/2009-09-30-kates-mayjah-divatude
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