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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Friday, May 22, 2009 - 10:25 am
I love Cat much more than Samantha on DWTS! loved the 2 hr show last night!
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Sportygirl
Member
06-14-2005
| Friday, May 22, 2009 - 11:30 am
I loved watching Tiffany dance! You could just see the sheer joy in her face and her love of dancing! I love how Nigel is with the dancers with physical disabilities/challenges. He doesn't berate them for wanting to try out. He talks to them honestly about not being the right fit for the show, gives them some good pointers and compliments them for their courage in trying out. I also enjoyed the umbrella dance. He did a good job even without knowing the backstory. Those mutation guys were unique but just too freaky. I couldn't watch much of their dance because I would cringe when they did their double jointed moves. I loved Sonja as a judge too. You could just see how excited she was getting seeing mainly the girls dance and I'm sure choreography was running through her mind throughout the audition.
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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, May 22, 2009 - 1:32 pm
I am joining in the Cat love...I agree that she is the best! Didn't watch the whole show last night, but it is DVR'd. I agree about the judges....like them on this show less than on others even. Don't mind seeing them dance and choreograph, but don't like the silly stuff. And I hate the whooping and hollaring and faces...I would prefer they be professional. I like when they give constructive criticism and show they have knowledge that makes them credible. I am never a lover of the audition process. I like it better when I actually know who the dancers are and start to learn their names. But can tolerate it, while I can't tolerate auditions on American Idol (bad dancers are more tolerable than bad singers!)
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Friday, May 22, 2009 - 2:23 pm
All I can say is that the 2 hours went by very quickly.
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Friday, May 22, 2009 - 5:10 pm
Yankee, ITA. It is ironic how Nigel makes comments about the ballroom dancers not making grimacing faces but he does it all the time as a judge! LOL!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, May 22, 2009 - 5:18 pm
Re: Yankee's #3 and one of the guys said he was straight! I was thinking they all think these guys are lovers and they aren't.
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Biginjapan
Member
07-23-2005
| Friday, May 22, 2009 - 5:43 pm
Nigel's remarks to the two guys danceing sounded homophobic to me. Sad to see that.
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Smokey
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, May 22, 2009 - 6:27 pm
They sounded that way to me, too. I kept listening more closely, trying to see if they were simply referring to the standard roles of male/female in ballroom dancing. And how if you have two people, with neither one doing the male role completely nor doing the female role completely, that it falls apart. I can understand it on that level, but I do think they went a little in the homophobic direction.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Friday, May 22, 2009 - 6:33 pm
The sort of funny part to me is this is Nigel's TV show. I'm pretty sure he had a choice whether to air those comments or not. I think he made sure they were aired to stir up controversy. He's not exactly a stupid a man. Controversy means better ratings. I think he knew exactly how people would take his comments.
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Slugger
Member
07-17-2005
| Friday, May 22, 2009 - 10:44 pm
Making homophobic remarks on a dance competition show is insensitive and is not real smart. It will turn off many viewers. It already has. It is unfortunate.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 9:32 am
I'm not sure his remarks were homophobic. All of the judges had a problem with the fact that they kept switching off leading/following. I think if that hadn't done that, they would've received better comments. Just as you start to enjoy one person's strength to lead and "be there", he switches to following the other one. It was confusing, and sorta ended up being a bit of a mishmash. Tiffany was so inspirational. She did have such joy in her dance and in her expression. And dang, her hair is beautiful and was perfect for her dance! I was glad to see Natalie (Katee's roomie from last year) and Brandon back. And the first girl, from the circus, who has rheumatoid arthritis, I hope she makes it through as we she was also a beautiful dancer. Some of the ballroom couples last night (the one that you know ain't gonna make it) just amazed me. They were so basic, like something you'd see at your local dance club. Nothing special or spectacular, and yet they thought they were. I wonder at people's realities sometimes! LOL! And yup, I'm on the Cat Love Train, too. She's probably the best host. Is genuinely nice and genuinely cares for these kids. Nigel and Mary... I'm so used to their shtick that I tend to ignore it any more. Thankfully, we were only subjected to one screech of Mary's.
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Smokey
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 10:19 am
Wow, it sure felt like more than one screech to me. I am with you Costa, as far as whether the remarks were directly homophobic or more geared towards the traditional male/female roles in a dance. I felt like that's what they were meaning, but didn't state it very well. Then again, I didn't want them to be homophobic, so was hoping it wasn't that.
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 11:55 am
How can one be anti-gay & work in the dance/theater world?
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 6:42 pm
I am once again going to be a wet blanket. I feel accusing anyone of being homophobic is wrong if they just make a statement saying they prefer traditional male-female roles. I feel a little bullied in that if you don't voice the traditional liberal line, you are a horrible person and homophobic. If I told you you MUST love pickled pigs feet, you must eat them and love them and enjoy them, and if you don't you are obviously pigaphobic. Now most people don't love pickled pigs feet, some do some don't. Just because some people don't care for them, they shouldn't be made to feel horrible. We have gone, in the last 30 or 40 years, from homosexuality being a recognized mental illness to be the most desirable thing you can be as far as liberals are concerned. I think we should settle on a middle ground somewhere in between. It's not enough that the American people accept gayness, the American people must embrace it, love it, and constantly endorse it, and pity the poor person who even obliquely displays a queston about it. I have no problem at all with gays. I want everyone to have a wonderful and fulfilling life, whatever your faith, orientation, or beliefs may be, but I resent these witch hunts which are making America sound more and more like the old Russia. We are soon going to have thought police, we already have web police who come down on anyone who doesn't spout the liberal agenda. I yearn for the old America, the America with patriotism, principles, ethics, responsibility for actions taken, tolerance, and a great work ethic. People are afraid to say anything contrary <77> because they will be blasted for being ignorant, not "with it", not "undetanding" or intolerant, at the very least. People can have reservations about gayness without being homophobic, it may be due to their religious upbringing, their own personal feelings on the topic, or it just makes them feel a little uncomfortable, and there is nothing wrong with that!!! As I stated, I have no problem with the gays at all, but I respect those who differ in their opinion from me and can understand why there are varying opinions on this subject. As far as Nigel is concerned, let him feel the way he feels, come on, do you really love to see two males dancing ballroom? Who's going to lead? Please leave some things for the traditional roles, there aren't too many areas left where this is possible. As I've stated priviously, I'm more agnostic than anything, but there's something about not to judge least you be judged.
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Msbullwnkl
Member
08-16-2005
| Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 7:06 pm
Jgalt- I think that was a well-thought out reply to this talk about Nigel. I have to agree with you on all points.
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Smokey
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 8:43 pm
I disagree on most points. I do not at all, feel like anyone in this thread was on any sort of witch hunt about Nigel's words to the two male dancers. It was simply being discussed. I do not understand what "with it" has to do with anything at all. It was mentioned in another post when talking about liking hip hop. What does that mean? We have gone, in the last 30 or 40 years, from homosexuality being a recognized mental illness to be the most desirable thing you can be as far as liberals are concerned. Umm, no. This is a blanket statement about liberals thinking it's desirable to be homosexual. And to me, that is just bizarre. I am liberal and I do not think it's desirable to be homosexual. I think most homosexuals would tell you that it's not something they desired at all. I think it's compassionate to love people for who they are and whom they choose to love. Period. This isn't the thread to argue this stuff, but I completely disagree that posters here were casting stones at Nigel and calling him homophobic. We were discussing how he talked to the two men and in that context only. And, wondering if it was or wasn't homophobic. As I've stated priviously, I'm more agnostic than anything, but there's something about not to judge least you be judged. Amen. And that goes for both sides of the street.
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Jgalt
Member
02-17-2009
| Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 9:16 pm
To Msbullwnkl, thank you. <100>
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Moderator
Moderator
06-30-2002
| Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 9:49 pm
Please keep the discussion about the show and issues about the show and not about other posters. Please post without telling others what they may post or discuss. Thanks!
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 9:53 am
If the 2 men danced side by side there would not have been a problem. This was being odd in order to be on tv.
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Jhonise
Member
07-10-2003
| Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 10:18 am
'So You Think You Can Dance' judge Nigel Lythgoe apologizes for homophobic remarks May 24, 2009, 12:17 PM | by Jennifer Armstrong Categories: Television So You Think You Can Dance judge Nigel Lythgoe has issued an apology for remarking during this week's season premiere that same-sex ballroom couple Misha Belfer and Mitch Kiber "probably alienate a lot of our audience." During his critique, he'd also told them, ''I'd like to see you both dancing with a girl... You never know, you might enjoy it, too.'' After GLAAD took notice, Lythgoe said he regrets the "poor word choices," adding, "I am not homophobic and it was extremely upsetting for me to be classed as such." His statement goes on to say: "I have been forthright and consistent with my opinion, as a judge, that professional male dancers should move with strength and agility -- like Gene Kelly and Rudolph Nureyev. I now realize how this could be misconstrued. I have been a dancer, and involved in the dance world, for nearly 50 years. Professionally and personally, I believe the sexual orientation of an auditioner or contestant is irrelevant. All that said, the fact that I have unintentionally upset people is distressing to me and it is obvious I have made mistakes that I must learn from. I trust that my humor will be more sensitive and mindful moving forward." http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/05/so-you-think-yo.html
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Sia
Member
03-11-2002
| Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 11:06 am
I'm no dancer, so I can't tell the difference between when one partner is leading and the other is following. I have heard men comment to women, "Stop trying to lead," and I've construed that to mean that the woman is guiding or pulling a bit too hard when it's traditionally the man's place in partner-dancing to guide the couple across the floor. What I couldn't distinguish when the two guys were dancing the samba was when the lead passed from one to the other. The nuances of dance are totally lost on me, I guess. And when choreographer/judge Sonya remarked about one guy putting his hand on the back of the other guy's neck, she lost me. Was she saying that it's traditionally the male role in the dance to place the hand on his partner's neck, or it's more what a woman normally does? Again, I have no dance training. I just love watching this show! And about the two guys dancing together, it's not my cup of tea, but I certainly had compassion for them when they fell. That sounded and looked like a HARD fall and it seemed like it took a few moments to shake off on the part of the guy who landed flat on his back with his partner's weight on top of him. That would have hurt; he's lucky not to have gotten injured.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 12:02 pm
quote:This was being odd in order to be on tv.
Same sex ballroom dancing is a growing movement. There is a new organization promoting same-sex dance, since the the traditional organizations require a man and woman in a couple to compete. There's nothing odd about it. I don't think this couple was particularly good, but it is spectacular when done well. http://www.gayballroom.tv/
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 12:46 pm
My only problem with these two guys was they weren't all that good. and they were both given the chance to go to do the choreography class, as I recall. Maybe they could get a really good couple from gayballroom or wherever to perform one of the times when they have to fill time while the judges deliberate.. Well not that they are asking me.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 10:28 am
Weren't they both given a second chance in the group performance to make it?
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Msbullwnkl
Member
08-16-2005
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 12:11 pm
Yes Grooch, they were given a chance to learn the choreography.
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