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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 11:03 am
LOL Lori! I thought what Kate said about privacy in the viewers question show was pretty good. she said that she knows they willingly gave up their privacy, but yet they do still want to have their times off the show private. i think that makes sense. it's like the public can't be satisfied with what is shown on the show and feel somehow, they have a 'right' to know all aspects of their lives. i also think it's pretty telling that the crew seems to have respect and real affection for them.
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 12:30 pm
does anyone know where they filmed the jul, 4 2008 episode. i know it was in North Carolina, but, which island. i was just at cape hatteras and the houses looked a lot like that of his and where he was staying. i'm sure most look like that on the coast, but, was just wondering if it was on or near hatteras island.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 12:34 pm
If you go by traditional standards of conduct.. what most of us post right here means that we have lost our anonymity. Believe me, if there was interest, the paparazzi could find anyone with no trouble and follow them around asking questions. It has happened to people posting on various sites And we post for FREE! Maybe we are the fools. === Annie, all good points. And there was a question earlier that implied that Kate didn't know her little boys. I'd say she has demonstrated repeatedly that she indeed knows them quite well, and loves them.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 1:03 pm
The Jon and Kate media frenzy, for me has little if anything to do with eithers parenting. For me it, my fascination with the reporting is that I always wondered how long before Jon looked for a relationship away from Kate. Say what you want but in my eyes Jon and Kate didn't seem "in love", for a long time. Maybe at some point they were but something happened while raising those kids that zapped their husband/wife/lovers/best friend relationship.
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 1:08 pm
hope this link works, it's from the washington post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/24/AR2009052402680.html
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 1:17 pm
I just now set my DVR for tonight's epi and noticed it will run for 1:13. Don't much care for the tabloid take of the Washington Post; too judgemental for my taste.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 1:20 pm
Tex, I agree with you too. I can't help but compare all these reality shows that are filmed to show families. I saw Betty from Table of 12 make the same face Kate makes sometimes. I bet Kate has gotten trashed because of that facial expression. I too have cringed at times when Kate has said things. I don't always say the perfect thing in the perfect tone either. Neither does Jon or anyone else on reality tv. For whatever reason, Kate has gotten more flack for things. I find myself thinking "good thing Kate didn't say that" when Jon says things sometimes or when I see the Roloffs or Table of 12 parents say things. I think they are both good parents and that each have their flaws just like everyone else in the world has flaws. I am amazed at the explosion of news on this family. I really think it caught J and K by surprise. I don't think they expected this level of attention. Chewpito, re: filming them when they are older, maybe that is why Amy Roloff said the cameras are never in the daughter Molly's bedroom. She said a girl needs her privacy. I don't recall ever seeing Amy and Matt's bedroom either and not many scenes of Jon and Kate's bedroom either. (And I think I've seen all of the eps.) Kate said that at the old house they didn't have the special lights on the ceiling (needed for filming) in their bedroom. Only: Re Jon, maybe there is something to that. Kate has always said she is going to be herself and what you see is what you get. On an older ep, when she surprised Jon by giving him the trip, they were at a restaurant and it was his birthday, ... Jon didn't even want to smile for the cameras, right there that tells me that he really wants more privacy. But, he also agreed to do the show. Re: him with a 23 year old. I know he said he's not giving up his friends. I don't think anyone is asking him to. I do find it unacceptable to me (and I'm not anyone besides myself) for a 30 some year old married man making friends with a 23 year old woman at a bar if she is just going to be his friend and not also friends with the wife. But that is me. And I really hope his bad judgment is that and not that he cheated on Kate. Re: Cape Hatteras, I think it was the same Hatteras, Nags Head area because they saw the wild horses in one of those episodes. Those horses are on the NC Outer Banks. Great area, I love it there!
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 3:00 pm
Okay this is my take on it and I may get slammed ha ha. I personally think Kate is mentally abusive to Jon and if he treated her the way she treats him people would be in an UPROAR!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 3:23 pm
Articles/comments like the one above just make me angry. kate can't believe her kids are 5 and thinks it's a momentus and is crucified by the author of that article....give me a friggin' break???!!! what parent hasn't said the same thing? i was just talking this weekend that I can't believe my oldest is almost 20. And horror of horrors...i want to celebrate it!!!! And god forbid, I have a haircut someone doesn't like...
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 3:33 pm
Angelicfairies2, I agree that Kate is verbally/mentally abusive towards Jon. Also, if any male on a reality show talked that way to his wife (the way Kate speaks to Jon) there would be uproar. But, it seems all we get is Kate being called nasty names and people asking what took Jon so long to move on to another woman. t seems that generally speaking Jon gets much better press than Kate. I think it's that Jon seems more likable and Kate seems like someone you'd steer clear of. Just watching the "Green" show...wow Kate came off way badly.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 3:33 pm
I have only seen one episode of this show and that was yesterday. They were at a beach and toured a light house. I was not fond of Kate. Her little girl was playing on the beach and pouring sand over her leg. Kate was annoyed because she was getting dirty. She didn't like the way Jon was playing with the kids in the water. She seems very controlling. I didn't like her.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 3:35 pm
Figured I'd make a few people angry but everyone I know agrees with me on this situation. I don't fully blame her I think Jon needs a backbone. I personally would NEVER treat my husband the way she treats him (maybe some people approve of that but NOT me) I didn't bother reading the article so I don't know but I'm one of those parents that is always saying how fast my girls are growing up etc and I will celebrate both my girls birthday's until the day I die lol
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 3:46 pm
Dog, i don't think it's very fair to judge a person on one episode. yes, she can be overbearing and controling, but she is also loving and caring. She is more than one dimensional. Angel, then according to that sick author you would be an overbearing mother!
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Mush
Member
09-09-2002
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 3:51 pm
Like a lot of posters, I just have started watching this weekend. I see that there has been a lot of discussion going on, though, and a lot of people have very strong pro-Kate and anti-Kate positions. I can see both sides. Sure, she is controlling, but with 8 kids running around you'd really have to be pretty strict or you'd be in for a lot more work than you already have. I like Jon. I could see him going along with the show as something Kate wanted to do, not wanting to push back too hard on camera, and eventually getting sick of the whole reality-show thing. He helps out SO much more than any other dad I know. I think what shocked me the most was when I read that they went from only 8 episodes the first season to 40 in season 4, and are planning even more for the next season. It looks like what started out as a nice little show about a normal family has gotten out of control. And now, just as the younger kids are getting to the age that they would go off to school and get the chance to be involved in activities with other kids, I read that Kate is planning to home-school them. *sigh* It's been an interesting weekend, but I think I'll stick to reality shows with only adults. When does Big Brother start?
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Spygirl
Board Administrator
04-23-2001
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 3:57 pm
I have just spent three days - almost literally 'round the clock - watching the J&K+8 marathon almost from the beginning of the show through the most recent episode...and I am stunned. I expected to see Kate better manage her issues and possibly get better as the children got older, but I am appalled at the way she has continued to indulge in her controlling, OCD, nasty tendencies. She is way worse now, and she seems to revel in it rather than display an ounce of remorse. I am currently watching the recent episode with the guys who are "greening" their house, and she was downright rude and condescending to them all. And laughed at her rudeness - in front of him! A couple of hours ago, there was an episode where Jon went to buy faucets (I think that is what it was) and he forgot to take the coupons. She berated him for several minutes and treated him like a child. Her tone of voice was as contemptuous as any of my most challenging couples in therapy...and they have a much better prognosis for their marital outcome than I think Jon and Kate have. I have absolutely little hope they will keep their relationship intact...and even less hope they will be happily intact. I don't want to communicate I think she is the reason they are where they are (definitely not - I think it takes two), but I do believe she is the key to the changes needed - and I don't think she can do it. She would have to soften significantly toward Jon and treat him as an equal. But, I believe she has no faith in Jon, she sees him as nothing more than another helpless, problematic child, and he will never meet her incredibly high standards. It seems he has long given up trying to make her happy, and feels/knows he can't please her. Their pattern is so deeply rooted and possibly even played up by the producing process, I don't think they stand a chance.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 3:58 pm
Home schooling this year seems to me like a wise move.
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Lori32
Member
07-04-2008
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 4:00 pm
Here is the fact... I bet on ANY given day,with the right editing and the right moment,any one of us could be seen as mentally abusive to our spouses. Those kind of remarks/Posts really get me going. When are people going to understand or admit,there is NEVER and I Do mean NEVER an excuse for infidelity????? I am so over the blame.Yes they both have faults,who doesn't? Noone "asks" to be treated badly or cheated on.Ok I am done. I probably pissed some people off,but it is what it is.I am going to sit on my hands and wait for the show..
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Spygirl
Board Administrator
04-23-2001
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 4:02 pm
And just to clarify my stance and above post - I am not commenting on ANYTHING related to the alleged affair. I am commenting on what I have seen on the show - none of the outside interviews, articles, tabloids, or rumors.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 4:10 pm
First of all is there ACTUAL proof that he cheated OR is it just rumours like the ones of her cheating with the bodyguard? I NEVER mentioned anything about the affair either so please DO NOT loop me into that crowd. Whether he/she cheats is not my concern. I personally think she should give up the "limelight" and concentrate on her husband and Kids.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 4:10 pm
Spy, if their Christian faith has any depth to it there is every possibility they can save their marriage.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 4:12 pm
Wow Spygirl...you hit it right on the head! A crude way is to say she cut off his cajones and now he wants them back!
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Spygirl
Board Administrator
04-23-2001
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 4:15 pm
Ophilia, faith alone won't change a marriage...the people who harbor faith have to be ready, willing, and able to make hard changes. I can only hope that both of them are ready, willing, and able. Maybe this negative publicity will be the needed wake up call. I'll remain skeptical, however, since seeing themselves on television for the last several years hasn't done anything to prompt change. It seems to have even made it worse, frankly.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 4:18 pm
Oh and I'd like to add in no shape or form to I condone cheating I don't care the reason. Also when did TLC become only reality shows? Wow has "The Learning Channel" changed LOL
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 4:21 pm
I've been sitting here watching the last 3 hrs of JK&8. Editing is used as an excuse by the likes of Omarosa and JohnnyFair Play. The cameras/editing aren't making Kate look like a less than likable person only Kate can do that, same goes for Jon- the editing and camera aren't making him appear as a passive aggressive miserable, lonely husband he does that himself. A camera can follow me for 10 years and they'll never catch me talking to my husband the way Kate does to Jon routinely.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, May 25, 2009 - 4:22 pm
I would hate seeing this show end cause I like the family, but I think it's probably best so they can be out of the spotlight where people who really don't know them feel comfortable judging them/her harshly based on what is shown on tv. I can't imagine having strangers feel comfortable saying hateful things about my hair, my view of my kids' birthdays, and how i choose to run my household. Neither one is perfect, but they also have good qualities that everyone seems to overlook. I guess it's more fun to be armchair analysts and pick at their negative traits.
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