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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Monday, November 16, 2009 - 8:14 pm
Kate's a flipping angel next to Jon. He's the total waste of space.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, November 16, 2009 - 8:36 pm
I'll watch a train wreck, but I'm not sure that's entertainment. 
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Monday, November 16, 2009 - 8:58 pm
I thought Kate wanted to do something with animated children's films, not actually act in a film, (well maybe she wants to be the voice of an animated character) but, I could be wrong. This was just another opportunity for Kate to use her children to further herself. Saying "my kids would love it if I were to be a voice in a cartoon" actually means in Katespeak, "Someone might offer me this position because of the kids." I abhor parents who try to get what they want by saying it's what their 'kids' would love. That's how Kate got a lot of freebie stuff...invoking the children. I think it's very unfair to compare Jon with Joey. No comparison. From reading above re the PA separation/divorce statutes, it seems since Kate verbally told Jon it was over, he was within his rights to date others, so to say he had affairs is just not right...he is no Joey. He is a guy whom Kate snared once again to get what she wanted...children. When she no longer needed another pair of hands and thought she was better than him, he was dumped. The fact that he won't still do what she tells him is extremely annoying to her. I don't believe he's a waste of space to his children, who seem to adore him. I'd say they get a lot of love from him. They are going to need it.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Monday, November 16, 2009 - 10:07 pm
Yeah, he's going to give his kids a half a day for the holidays. Nice dad.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Monday, November 16, 2009 - 10:25 pm
Cricket, my husband filed for the divorce. For me, it's not an issue of am I within my rights to date....it's more of a moral issue. Country, I don't believe that was her plan all along. I believe there is a lot about Jon that we don't know about.
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Glenrie
Member
03-24-2006
| Monday, November 16, 2009 - 10:58 pm
Kate's a flipping angel next to Jon. He's the total waste of space. (having issues with italics again, sorry) I completely agree and have actually felt that way since the beginning. He never acted like a responsible dad or husband to me. We all see different things since we all have different backgrounds and what bothers me may not bother someone else and visa-versa. I would not have lasted as long as Kate did. Kids their age love their parents. They cannot see the damage that's being done to them. Since we don't know the kids personally, neither do we. We guess, but unless one of us has spoken to them, we don't know. I assume by this time that child welfare is over-seeing them. (edited to take out sarcastic comments about Jon) 
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Monday, November 16, 2009 - 11:26 pm
"Pathetic excuse for a human she is!" (Kate) I do not agree with this statement at all. She is not perfect, but no one is. She did speak to Jon in a not nice way at times. She also was shown treating him and the kids with love. To me, a pathetic excuse for a human would be a guilty person on death row, rapists, pedophiles...people like that.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 5:21 am
It did make me laugh last night that Kate admits she is on the phone a lot, too...but says her phone calls are important...LMAO.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 5:21 am
I never cared for the way she treated Jon many times, and I never cared much for his passive agressiveness, but I think the way one handles a crisis tells alot about the person. I think Kate has done a better job of handling herself post separation.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 5:45 am
That's a good way to put it Tex. I feel the same way. They are each two different people, pre and post divorce. Saying that Jon is behaving .... badly and that Kate has risen to the challenge has nothing to do with their marital issues or how they ended up here in the first place. On a different note, could Jon look any more miserable when he is with his kids? I don't think it's because he's with his kids persay, just that he seems 24/7 pissed off at the world. I realize these clips were taped in the early spring so hopefully he has moved beyond that by now. I also can appreciate Kate coping with humour but... ah no... not in front of the kids Kate, hope that phase has passed as well.
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Kathyb
Member
05-17-2006
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 9:29 am
I've also noticed that when Jon is with his kids, he generally does something that HE wants to do: hanging out with a baseball team; skiing with Cara; shooting water rockets while the kids watch; taking them to the golf course, etc. Has he ever done anything with them strictly for them? And I don't mean things that Kate has planned.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 10:16 am
Jon did seen like an "awkward" dad last night with the kids.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 10:42 am
Kathy and Vacanick...you mean like when he wanted to play soccer and the kids didn't and finally they ended up in the pool after he talked to the nice folks at the fence? Yeah, I thought that was very awkward. For one thing, he's gotta figure out how to play with little girls as well as boys. They don't always like what the boys do. Either find that middle ground or multitask. Edited to add...everything you see online says they showed Jon in a bad light last night. My theory, they can't show something that didn't happen LOL. Hard to fake that footage. Maybe we are just finally seeing the real Jon.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 10:45 am
In the interview Seamonkey posted, Jon said: ...that's why I decided to change my life in recent months and started taking initiative for my actions... "Taking initiative for my actions? What does that mean? I'm not being funny or sarcastic here, can someone please tell me what that means? Did he use the wrong word in this sentence or is that really appropriate speak? If so, please tell me what he means because I've never seen the word initiative used in that context. Thanks.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 10:56 am
How about......that's why I decided to change the way I have been living my life and in recent months have taken the initiative to begin taking responsibility for my actions and their subsequent repercussions.? LOL That's what I took it to mean anyway.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 11:03 am
Ohhhhhhhhh ok, that makes sense! He probably just accidently left off a word or two. Maybe it was an email or typed/written interview or something. Thanks Rissa!
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 12:10 pm
Re last night's show, was it filmed during the trouble between Kate/Jon but before TLC sued Jon? Since he stopped them filming, this had to be filmed a few months ago, right..and just hadn't been shown yet? I didn't watch it, but was surprised that Jon was in it according to the description. Re him giving his children 1/2 a day on Christmas, my how things get turned around. How do we not know that is all Kate is allowing? Remember, she only wanted him to have 2 hours on the twins' birthdays. I just don't get the hatred for this guy, whom yes..made errors in judgement when he was sprung from being under Kate's thumb; however, to turn things around now and say he doesn't want to spend time with his children seems unfair. Kate is calling the shots it seems on when he 'may' see the children. I hope they get visitation/custody in black and white before the divorce is final, or I feel Jon will be pushed away and then attacked as if he did it himself.
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Kittyab
Member
07-15-2005
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 12:24 pm
I never cared for the way she treated Jon many times, and I never cared much for his passive agressiveness, but I think the way one handles a crisis tells alot about the person. I think Kate has done a better job of handling herself post separation. I agree. Sorry but I can see who the real grown up is here.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 12:37 pm
Cricket: How do we not know that is all Kate is allowing? What is wrong with Jon ONLY having 1/2 day? Isn't that exactly the most each parent should have if they are not going to be together? Also just to correct you, Kate had 100% custody on the twins birthday but she allowed Jon to come to the house anyway. She simply requested that he not extend his stay past a few hours seeing how she was a little bit peeved over his having stole all their money just days prior (that was that week wasn't it? I know there was SOME stunt he pulled at that time}. We KNOW she requested very politely but left the decision to Jon because Jon made sure to show her email to the paps that were following him around that day.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 12:44 pm
NP Ahnicka, you're welcome. I very often trip over my words and shudder to think what some of my statements would look like in print if I didn't have time to self-edit half a dozen times. LOL I always keep that in mind and try to cut people slack when I am reading something said off the cuff.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 12:46 pm
The chronology as I remember it without looking anything up was.. Jon/Kate filed for divorce, TLC filmed interviews about that. Filming then took place with Jon OR Kate not and. Filming was continuing, and shows were airing that had been previously filmed/edited. Meanwhile, Jon was in public with Hailey, went to France with Hailey, partied at the same bar where he met the school teacher, in PA, had interviews, hooked up with Michael Lohan, partied in the Hamptoms with Michael Lohan, Jill Zarin (of RHWofNY) and the reporter from Star, Kate Major. Kate Major quit her job for Jon, rather publically, and she was also dumped. Jon's original attorny quit. Jon hired the bartender as a nanny and also partied in the hot tub and had overnights with same woman (verified by woman's mother, since bartender/nanny has signed a non disclosure). Kate objected to said nanny and came to the house, was rebuffed, etc.. (not sure of the exact timing of Jon's attorney quitting) Jon hired a manager and his father attorney from NY. Kate hired an attorney from California. Jon was accused of draining the main money market account. TLC announced that at some point the show would be called Kate + 8 with more emphasis on Kate and the kids but Jon would still be paid the same. Jon had a sudden epiphany and announced that his kids couldn't be filmed (except by his paparazzi buddies, of course) and TLC must not film on "his" property. A sign was put on the fence that misspelled two words, including Jon's name. Oops. Jon and attorney went on the talk show circuit. Kate was sent to some talk shows Hailey went on talk shows Jon returned a large amount of money at court's order. Jon was sued by TLC. Jon filed suit against TLC. So, since filming was stopped by Jon prior to the lawsuit being filed.. then I'd say the show was mostly filmed, any parts with him in them, before the lawsuit. Kate may have filmed interviews after that.. even Jon may have, though that seems unlikely. ============= The only show from this season where Jon seemed to do girl things with the girls was when he dressed up and wore one of Kate's old hats, much to the delight of the little girls and Mady and Cara performed for them. The boys were off with Kate at the time. And I haven't watched the shows that aired last night, yet. I think the half day was about Thanksgiving and he said they would both be there for Christmas but didn't say for how long. But what a sacrifice it must be that he has to come back from Hawaii to see his kids on Thanksgiving and had to fly back from Vegas or LA to see his kids start school. Photo-Ops. If he simply lived in the same area with his kids, this wouldn't be a big deal. I don't hate him but I have absolutely no respect for him.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 12:50 pm
I am pretty sure they mentioned that last night's shows were from footage filmed in Feb and March of this year. For sure the passport footage was February.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 1:33 pm
I don't get the hair plugs. If they are supposed to cover bald spots then someone goofed cause Jon has hair in front and then there's the HUGE round bald spot on the very top of his head. It was very noticable last night. So what's the point of plugs?
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 2:44 pm
Twinkie, check out his before pics from the Dr's site. I think it was too much to do at once. I remember Elton John having more than one surgery. http://www.newhair.com/feature/jon-kate/ If you click on the after pics and make them bigger, it looks like most of his was done in the front.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 3:13 pm
That looks so painful....and he's still got a huge bald spot on top.
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