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Irismi
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02-22-2008

Friday, June 19, 2009 - 9:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Irismi a private message Print Post    
They should stop doing the show. Apparently, Kate swats her child on the behind and the whole world thinks its abuse. I don't think she should have hit her child but that's a different discussion. The punishment did not fit the crime. The entire family, brother, friends, etc.. are now all estranged, the parents are miserable, and the children are paying the biggest price of all. Two divorced parents and a whole nation knows their personal family business. I will not watch Monday because it is surely another ploy to boost sagging ratings. But I know there will be plently of discussion in here. The show has changed, and not for the better. I watched the youtube video of Kate/Maddy and the water. Mom clearly puts her needs first. Most moms put their needs last. They don't have to put their needs last, they just do. If my child repeatedly asked for water (and remember, they are sitting under hot studio lighting) I would hand the water bottle to them first, not myself. I don't think Kate is a bad mom, just a bit shortsighted. Her children are going to YOUTUBE themselves in a few years and form their own opinions. I bet Kate will be defending her own actions a lot. This show should end. It's already a train wreck.}

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 3:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
It's not that complicated. The marriage is over and TLC and the couple are basically telling us beforehand what the show will focus on- the demise of a marriage. No bait and switch. It's over for them as a loving couple and they are moving on. TLC will run with it and we'll see more shows focusing on the broken marriage and less on parenting the kids. There is no hope that this family won't or aren't already broken. Wishful thinking won't change things. It's a natural progression of the show .

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
let me rephrase, it's amazing what conclusions can be drawn from a commercial and unsubstantiated tabloid reports.

Houstonndirish
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03-23-2006

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Houstonndirish a private message Print Post    
I watched the clip from the link. I'm not going to make any assumptions, at least not here. While watching it, I felt so sad - the music didn't help any. It's so sad to see the marriage come to where it is at, so sad to see such raw emotions from Kate. Jon seemed ready to go on to the next phase of his life, whatever that will be. He seemed a bit defensive. Kate seems so so sad and heart broken.

It just made me overwhelmingly sad for all involved - mom, dad, and the kids. This is going to be tough for them to watch when they are grown up.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 9:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I would love to here Dr. Laura's take on this.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Houston, I also saw raw emotion from Kate and basically indifference from Jon.

Since Kate has said a couple of times that this has been going for some time...who is to say that part of her control issues throughout the entire 4 or 5 years of the show, weren't from being so frustrated with Jon's attitude? I can see that anyone with 8 children would have to be on top of things or there would be utter chaos. If she had to remind Jon of everything over the years, it would sure be frustrating, wouldn't it?

I was just thinking about the episode when Jon cooked the Korean meal. Kate raved about it and asked if he would now be cooking once a week. He said no, and I believe she countered with once a month. He again said no. That little interaction right there said that while Kate always seemed controlling about her kitchen, when she actually was eagerly willing to have Jon cook, he was totally uncooperative. She did say that it was one of the only times Jon had EVER cooked, didn't she? For gawd's sake, she made 3 meals a day and he couldn't even commit to cooking once a week or a month? And he was pretty put off when Kate had put the KimChee (?) in the refrigerator instead of the freezer. She was very apologetic about that, and instead of telling her that he should have told her that it was the ice cream type, he was huffy about it.

Jon's inability to hold onto a job (that's been documented numerous times), his diamond earrings, his own vacation home in Utah just so he can snowboard, limited edition car (used or not), the chopper he commissioned (meaning it wasn't necessarily a gift like they'd have us believe), and he is now apartment hunting in NYC at Trump no less...tell me that he has grown tired of being a Dad. I'm not so certain that all of his "issues" are with Kate, but may be even more related to his desire to be a single guy with lots of money.

Seems to me that if he loved his kids so much, he wouldn't be moving to NYC. And NO judge is going to allow joint custody where he can take the children for weekends or whatever, if he doesn't have sufficient bedroom space. He would have to get at least a 4 bedroom apartment. I can't see this wannabe batchelor doing that "for his kids".

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Make that 'hear'. LOL

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I finally saw the ad TLC is running for Monday's show. Wow! First as Kate turns back to look @ Jon he has his head down and when she turns forward he looks up at the back of her head. So sad. I don't know what to make of it. It's moving. That's all I can say.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 10:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
As far as Jon making dinner--did you see kate harping on him when he went to separate the onions? She was all over him. No way would I commit to taking a chance of that every single time I went into the kitchen.

Now having said that, he should help cook more. However I have seen him many times give the kids a meal when Kate was not around. And he does more than his fair share of work around the house.

Aside from all that, it is a sad situation. And it's even sadder that people (magazines, photographers, TLC, etc.) are making huge bucks because of it.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
So what about the onions. He insisted they had to be separated, then he dumped them all in at the same time. He's passive-aggressive and immature.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I'm also in the Jon-is-passive-agressive corner.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 10:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Julie, he said he heats meals when she's not around. When she's not around he shouldn't have any fears about how he chops anything, eh?

Uh, I sure don't want to hear Dr Laura about anything. Not my cup of tea for family advise. And that would only be for her own media exposure if she did make a statement.

Not knowing what report is true the most disturbing is that when Jon took Cara skiing on a paid by TLC jaunt, he also is said to have left her with a stranger babysitter and been out partying til 3am and then had the gall to not even pay the sitter. So things were going off course that far back. The next snowboarding trip, also filmed/paid for my TLC, where Jon got the touchy feely edit with the handicapped skiier and that organization, also included the 23 year old teacher being there off camera and male friends trying to get him to be less public and erasing pics from his camera that could have been telling.

I don't really care if he has an earring or not, but no matter what Jodi wants to say, it doesn't sound like he's putting his kids first, even when he is specifically in charge of them, like Cara in Utah. I had bought the "dad and daughter bonding" edit.

Trump tower doesn't sound real family friendly but I guess it must be closer to the second 23 year old (daughter of the surgeon) in NY?

Irismi
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02-22-2008

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 10:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Irismi a private message Print Post    
Whether Jon is passive-aggressive and Kate is just plain mean does not matter. A young family started out sharing their lives with the world and now the children are going to sufffer the consequences of a "marriage for the cameras' sake. You can't fake it forever. I saw an interview with one of Jon's friends a while back and he said, "How would you like it if your wife embarassed you week after week'. Clearly other people were telling Jon that his wife was a control freak, and that he looked like her lap dog. No two people are perfect, and eight children are being hurt by this right now. It doesn't matter to me what happens to the show, what matters is what is happening to the children. As they get older, they are going to see these shows in a very different light and then what... My DH and I went to parenting classes after the birth of our first child, and rule number one is 'never put your spouse down in front of the children'. These two people have failed miserably at that. We want to see these eight children grow up healthy and happy, but how can they when their parents are stressed out and miserable?

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 11:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Maybe they should have called the show Kate and her nine children. That's what I've seen Jon to be. He tries to get away with whatever his "MommyKate" lets him get away with and pouts if he gets caught. She wouldn't need to be a control freak if she had a partner by her side instead of an extra child.

Hippygranny
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06-04-2009

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 11:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hippygranny a private message Print Post    
Seems it takes 2 to make or break a marriage, Kate was hard on Jon but he is acting like a spoiled single teenager.

I have not watched for a while now but wondered why, at the wedding last season, she kept saying we will always be a family, or together as a family, almost like she was trying to convince herself as well as us.

My heart goes out to the children & to Kate, who will, no doubt, raise the children pretty much on her own as Jon will be too busy with his new friends.

I jumped off the Jon bandwagon a while back.

March
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10-02-2003

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send March a private message Print Post    
TLC is not going to want to lose this cash cow, so I really wonder if they would even allow Jon & Kate to announce on their time a seperation/divorce.
I kind of wonder if TLC has talked them into going to marriage counceling for the sake of their children and marriage of course and that this is what the big announcement will be.
With Jon & Kate in counceling people would be tuning in to see if it works out, or at least that is what TLC would hope would happen. Just a guess.

Hippygranny
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06-04-2009

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hippygranny a private message Print Post    
March, might be a guess but a great idea, for the sake of the whole family, even the children.

My gr-grandaughter went after we lost her baby sister at 24 days, she was in a class with other greaving children. She was 10 & didn't want to talk about it but opened up to the counsler & other children.

I wonder if they have explained anything to the children about why they no longer live together or lied to them that Daddy working?

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 12:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spygirl a private message Print Post    
I guess I'm not certain what the current discussion is meant to do...are we trying to find blame with one person for the demise of this marriage? Or find one person *more* to blame than the other? What bandwagons are there to jump on and off of and corners to be in or out? These two adults did a piss poor job of maintaining and growing their marital relationship. Period. Over the course of their years together, they became more and more entrenched in their patterns of the harsh, defensive, critical, stonewalling behaviors that eventually killed whatever romantic feelings and friendship that may have once existed.

Truly, why continue to argue who is to blame for this? They are BOTH responsible for letting themselves and one another participate in such a pathetic display of what respect and friendship is supposed to look like in a committed relationship. At any point in time, either of them could have participated in the relationship differently and done what they could to make necessary changes. They still can. But for us to spend time blaming one person over the other just highlights our culture's distortion of how long term relationships actually work.


Hippygranny
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06-04-2009

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hippygranny a private message Print Post    
Well said Spygirl!

I never meant to just give the impression that it was all Jon's fault, as someone said in an earlier post, you both have to give 100% in a marriage, sometimes more & sometimes less.

We have been married 50 years & I have yet to see a truely happy couple after kids & life happens, except in the movies.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 12:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Spy I do agree with what you say, but of course people will take sides and will post and that's okay too.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think sometimes people like to evaluate situations as right or wrong. It is comforting to think that someone did something right or that at least someone did it better. It's harder accept that there could be two wrongs as it appears in this situation.

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 12:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
Ive been divorced twice.... thank god I wasnt under a microscope..... the horror of it all...
both times we had our reasons....
People grow apart,...people with kids..grow apart...it just happens. I sure would not want to stay with someone just because of the kids, what a ugly life that would be, always angry at each other and unhappy..... what a miserable exsistance..... better to be apart and love the children with all you have-seperatly' then angry and togeather...
I dont like to play the blame game....they grew apart... things arnt working, they are both unhappy..... splitting could be the best thing they could do for each other and the kids...
who knows, they could turn out to be better friends when all the bull crap clears...
I am still great friends with both my X's...

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Isn't taking sides, placing blame, analyzing every nuance what we do here? isn't that kind of the point of tvch and other message boards like this? to talk about, disect reality shows?

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
Obama even used Jon and Kate yesterday in a joke. LOL They've truly made the big time now. Kate must be so pleased.

~~--Although I must say, the whole thing was worth it. “Inside the Obama White House” is my favorite new show. (Laughter.) There’s just something really compelling about the main character. (Laughter.) It's wonderful narrative. In fact, the show has been such a hit that all of you guys now want to come and tape one in my house. ABC is planning a series called “Dancing with the Czars.” (Laughter.) TLC has got something called “John & Kate plus Peter Orszag.” ~~

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spygirl a private message Print Post    
And that's exactly what I'm doing, too ...offering my opinion about the opinions. I absolutely believe spending time defending one and attacking the other for fault is not productive.