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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 9:22 am
No, of course, I am not saying that, Seabreeze! And I am sorry that I expressed myself so clumsily that I led you to think so. I am responsible only for my own choices in life. I also said that what Ramsey did was WRONG! He should have clearly explained what the possible options were. He showed terrible judgement and callousness - I have dedicated my life to being a "professional volunteer" at ten different sites/agencies around the city precisely because I don't think anybody, anywhere, at any time or for any reason should be "treated like crap."
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Bombaycat
Member
07-21-2007
| Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 10:25 am
Seabreeze, I swear if I didn't know better, I'd say you were writing about me. I hate that the discrimination of we fat people is socially acceptable and legal. I didn't have a problem with the aircraft having weight restrictions and Ramsey conveying that information to Robert. I guarantee you Ramsey already knew that the helicopter trip and island visit would be long over before Robert's ferry ever arrived. What angered me was the way Ramsey taunted Robert after he departed the ferry. I really felt bad for Robert. I'm sure he hates being fat as much as I do. If my problem was smoking, drugs, drinking or gambling I could quit "cold turkey", never touch the stuff again and survive. I can't quit eating and still live. Seabreeze, thanks again for saying what you said.
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Jodie75
Member
08-26-2004
| Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 11:09 am
I agree with all of you, Sebreeze, Bombaycat and Tnt, in your collective discussion and making of your points. Nobody should have to be deprived of a fun trip to Catalina Island - Robert shouldn't had to have been told he was turning right around (and thus being humiliated because it was being pointed out he was too fat), and the rest of the group should not have been deprived of more time on Catalina Island just to accomodate Robert's needs due to the seaplane restrictions. BUT, this was set up so Robert was singled out and laughed at because of his weight...there should have been another alternative so that NOBODY was left out and NOBODY made fun of because of their weight, and NOBODY was deprived of more fun (and adventure) because of a single person's weight problems. I'm SURE they could have figured out a happy medium, rather than settle on an activity that would have caused one person so much mortification.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 12:34 pm
I think that what they did to Robert was pretty mean and I have empathy for him and for any people who are subjected to hurtful behavior as a result of people treating them differently because of their weight. But let's face it. Ramsay is mean to everyone on the show and picks on the contestants for a whole variety of reasons. I've seen him on other shows where he is quite different so I wonder if this is just his shtick for the Hell's Kitchen show and everyone associated with the show (including the contestants) know about it, expect it and play along. I wonder if his off camera behavior with the contestants is any different? I don't recall seeing many interviews with Hell's Kitchen contestants?
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 12:46 pm
I think your right Jimmer...hense the name...Hell's Kitchen!
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 1:18 pm
I've seen Ramsay on a few interview shows. Sooooo nice. I think it's his schtick for Hell's Kitchen.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 3:24 pm
I agree, it is schtick and I think Robert very well knew what he was like on this show and he himself keeps pulling the weight card in his confessionals. "what? he put me on the bar? I'm too big." So was he to come on the show but only do what he felt he could do? As for changing the reward, they could have, but I'd bet that it was a donated prize. As for setting it up, they didn't even know when they set up the prize if Robert would still be on the show, or if his team of chefs would win the prize. And we certainly don't know that he wasn't told ahead of time that the boat trip there, and back would consume the time alloted for the trip away from HK. I'm sure in the interview process, Robert wanted to be given a chance to compete and not be rejected because he might have trouble with some of the activities. I'm sure he's there first of all to win, but if not, to get air time, recognition as a chef and he's getting it. He's getting a fair number of confessionals, in which he chooses to bring up his weight and heck, he's getting a ton of sympathy.
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Jodie75
Member
08-26-2004
| Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 4:46 pm
I see all your points. I still believe regardless of the "set" prize, he didn't need to be embarrassed that way. I think no excuses for Ramsay or the show is enough to make me think the staff and production of HK could be redeemed for humiliating Robert. They could have left earlier on the ferry (if after all, it's such a GREAT experience to see dolphins, adorable flying fish and talk to other people on the boat). Otherwise, Robert should have been told beforehand so he had a choice in not being humiliated not only in front of his fellow contestants, but also in front of the crew and what I'm sure were a big crowd of onlookers curious to see what Gordon Ramsay was doing there and what they were filming.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 5:30 pm
Ramsay has been humiliating various people on this show for five seasons now. On this show he is an equal opportunity humiliator (if there is such a thing). It just happens that he has finally picked on something that some people here care about.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 6:05 pm
While Ramsay is rude and humiliating to almost everyone on the show, it's usually to do with their cooking skills or lack thereof. Except for the omnipresent "large" guy, who does often get the "Big Boy" superlatives thrown at him. But this challenge with Robert was just plain cruel. If the helicopter had a weight limit, they could've easily changed transportation mode (to a seaplane or other small chartered plane). HK's producers knew it was a possibility that the men would win the challenge. And to add insult to injury, for everyone to leave as soon as he gets there? That was unnecessarily cruel. Robert seemed to take it gracefully but I was so upset that I almost erased the episode. Ji's courage in the face of what must have been a lot of pain was impressive. I give Ramsey props for telling her to keep her jacket. And I'd bet that he invites her back for another season! I think Colleen needs to learn how to shut up and be deferential, even if she's not feeling it. And Carol needs to take a step back since last I saw no one nominated her in charge. I give props to Lacey for getting out of bed and doing a good job the next day. She's a victim of that stoopid herd mentality that just irritates the heck out of me on these shows... let's just beat down the weakest member. Because of that, while I don't think there's a chance in hell Lacey could win, I'd like her to stay at least thru the halfway point and past Colleen's and Carol's exits! It does seem as if the pre-released info about these chefs is correct... this is the best qualified group yet. I can't remember a season where the second dinner service was completed. Ramsey's usually still yelling to shut it down then, isn't he?
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Jodie75
Member
08-26-2004
| Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 8:41 pm
I totally agree with you, Costacat. It's true Ramsay has been cruel and an equal-opportunity offender on every season. But he has never deliberately excluded someone like that, and laughed about it as he let the "victim" in on the joke. And you're right, Robert did take it incredibly gracefully. I obviously would never had had so much poise, lol.
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Kady
Member
07-30-2000
| Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 9:24 am
i caught some of this on fox reality last night before solitary 3.0. i have never watched before. it was hard to watch with all the bleeping. it seems too scripted for me to watch again.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 1:38 pm
It grows on you, Kady!
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Seabreeze
Member
09-05-2004
| Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 4:50 pm
When is it on again since it is not on tonight...
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 5:19 pm
I knew there was something missing from tonight and I couldn't remember what. I guess it got preempted?
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 5:23 pm
My widget shows it for Thu., Feb. 19. 
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Seabreeze
Member
09-05-2004
| Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 5:35 pm
Thanks, my dvr schedule does not go that far in advance.Some award show is on tonight in it's place. I just don't recall them saying anything last week about it not being on.
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Jodie75
Member
08-26-2004
| Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 6:09 pm
Seabreeze, I have it listed for 10pm tonight (on CityTV here in Toronto).
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 6:17 pm
If that means that we get to see it and it isn't shown on the American stations until next week, Canadians will have to be careful not to spoil it for the U.S. viewers.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 6:33 pm
You can spoil it for ME! Just remember to use a spoiler box for folks who don't want to be spoiled!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 7:07 pm
Fox has the NAACP Image Awards tonight.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2009 - 7:34 am
I fell asleep and missed this! Who went home?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, February 13, 2009 - 10:06 am
See the post above yours... it wasn't on.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2009 - 3:09 pm
Ah thanks, Costa! (tnt scratches Costa gently under her chin)
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, February 13, 2009 - 4:14 pm
Purrr.........
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