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Zgoodgirl
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08-22-2003

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 5:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zgoodgirl a private message Print Post    
No, she wasn't playing chef. But she was the leader of the group and responsible for the outcome, no matter what role she played. I think she was called out on it mostly because she was the leader. That and the fact that she DID test Carla's desserts and saw what was going down and still did not do anything about it as a leader.

And I think that if Fabio or anyone else for that matter, was the leader and ran foth, they would have been checking everything that went out.

She should have never picked foth. Apparently she did not know the importance of Restaurant Wars.

Bluedenim
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08-09-2007

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 6:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluedenim a private message Print Post    
Don't forget that the judges do not select the winning team on this challenge. The winning team is determined by the feedback from the customers. They told Leah's team that they won---by a slight margin. It wasn't really a winning night for either team.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 6:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
The point is that Radhika agreed to be the FOTH. But she was still in charge of the group. She made a mistake by not choosing to stay in the kitchen. As she said, she should have made Jeff do FOTH so she could be in the kitchen supervising. Jeff would have been great at it. And who knows, the food she cooked might have been as good as Jeff's. If she had not been the team leader, I doubt if her poor performance as FOTH alone would have gotten her eliminated.

It was not Favbio's responsibility to check the rest of the food. He was not the team leader. All he had to do was be a charming and efficient FOTH and let them know in the kitchen that something was wrong. Then it was the team leader's responsibility to do something about it.

I kept thinking that if it had been me and the chocolate cake was not good, I think they said it was dry and tasteless, I would have made a yummy caramel sause and put over it with some nuts or something. Cake is not that hard to doctor up and make delicious. I know because it happened to me Christmas. My chocolate cake turned out dry, so I pulled out a jar of chocolate sause, some nuts, and whipped cream. Needless to say, there was none left over. Surely professional chefs could do something better than an amateur like me.

Daydreamer
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05-30-2008

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 7:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Daydreamer a private message Print Post    
Allie, I agree; there's always something you can do to rescue a dry cake. Like brush either simple syrup or a liquor (Frangelico, Kahlua, etc.) over the top and let it soak in, then spoon JUICY berries over and around it.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 8:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
First of all, yeah... whoops, the fish was Leah! Duh me.

Secondly, I don't buy the "she was raised in a culture" argument cuz yeah, well she wasn't really. According to her own bio, her upbringing was in an eclectic Indian home IN AMERICA. But she has done a lot of traveling and a lot of training under other chefs. If she was that traditional, she'd never have been able to do the things she's done. Also, she's supposedly an executive chef at a couple of Chicago restaurants. So she does have experience being a leader.

That said, if this demonstrated her leadership skills, I'm glad I don't work at either of them.

I just don't think she has much of a personality and it showed. And I still think that after reading her exit interviews. The "I just wanted to make people happy" thing is a horrible excuse. She's never really taken responsibility and for that there IS no excuse.

BTW, I'd rather have a flirting Fabio any day. Good service will temper crappy food. Crappy service doesn't always temper good food. There are restaurants I refuse to go to because the service is so bad, yet I know their food is good.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
BTW, I'd rather have a flirting Fabio any day. Good service will temper crappy food. Crappy service doesn't always temper good food. There are restaurants I refuse to go to because the service is so bad, yet I know their food is good.

I completely agree!

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Really?? REALLY???? You would rather eat bad food with good service than good food with bad service? Not me.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
No. I said I refused to go to some restaurants whose food is good because their service is so lousy.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Well, that was what I got from your "Good service will temper crappy food. Crappy service doesn't always temper good food." That if given the choice, you would pick the former.

Crappy food is crappy food, nothing tempers it, imho. I can still enjoy good food, even when served with crappy service.

We used to have a little Italian restaurant here with the best food, but whose service was so bad that it became part of local lore. It became part of the whole experience. Locals would go and be disappointed if the they didn't have bad service, lol.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    

quote:

It was not Favbio's responsibility to check the rest of the food.




I thought Stefan was expediting in that kitchen. He's the one who should have caught the undercooked fish (no pun intended).

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
I didn't see it like that Hermi.

If the food is not so great but the atmosphere and service is wonderful it would make a better impression on me.

If the food was amazing but the atmosphere and service were horrible I wouldn't think twice of never going back.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Of course the best thing would be to have all three being wonderful! :-)

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
He's the one who should have caught the undercooked fish (no pun intended).

Hahahahaha!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
What Nick said!

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
Okay, I see all your points. But I still would have kept Radhika despite her poor service and leadership, over risking salmonella poisoning (which I've had, and trust me, by mid point you are wishing your are dead) from Leah's inexcusably undercooked fish.

Which would I rather have: neglectful, unexciting service, or going home and being up all night throwing up my lungs out. Maybe Radhika should have checked. But Leah should not have needed anyone to check that her fish was undercooked in the first place. She should have been an experienced enough chef to KNOW that the fish was undercooked without having to have anyone tell her.

I could never, ever serve my guests (at home) food that turned out to be undercooked, wrong or dangerous in some way rather than admit I'd made a mistake. I would have sucked down my pride and ordered a pizza if nothing else could be served. I would never have sent it out and gladly let someone else take the blame because they didn't check what I had prepared.

Grooch
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06-16-2006

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grooch a private message Print Post    
But, Jodi, Leah was the one that served the undercooked fish and she was on the winning team, so they couldn't get rid of her.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Um, raw fish doesn't give you salmonella poisoning. If it did, and fish is generally NOT a source of salmonella, there wouldn't be such a thing as sushi. Most often, undercooked fish is not going to make you sick. Since no one got sick, that would be a moot point anyways, along with the fact that the fish was on the winning team.

(And when I used to eat fish on occasion, I'd always ask for my fish rare. I preferred it be rare than overcooked and dry.)

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 2:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
I eat raw fish all the time ... love sashimi.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 2:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Gawwwwwwd... now I'm in the mood for some sushi. I would love a tuna roll right now.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 4:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
A friend asked me a couple of weeks ago what was the one thing I missed most about being a vegetarian. I didn't have to think twice... SUSHI!!!! And... HAHAHA! My favorite? Spicy scallop hand roll! :-)

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 4:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I haven't had sashimi in a long time, but oh, really fresh sashimi is WONDERFUL!

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 4:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
Oh right, Grooch. So then it makes me think, Leah's already the leader, and her job was to not only prepare and be sure her own dish was good, but going by the apparent responsiblities of the leader, her team should have lost, and she should have been sent home! She failed on two points - serving dangerous food, and not checking her own and everyone else's food!

I guess I'm out-argued. I'll just leave it that I still think Carla should have been sent home, and even more so, the other team should have lost and Leah sent home.

I hope Radhika makes it - as she said before she left, she did a really good job on the show with the various challenges, and hopefully this will help her back home in RL.

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 5:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
I didn't make it to editing in time:

Costa, you CAN get salmonella poisoning from fish. I suspect sashimi is made from very high-quality fresh fish, maybe that's why it's not as common. That would be interesting to look into - if fish intended for sushi has to be graded in some way to pass the test:

http://www2.vhi.ie/topic/salmonella

The bacteria also thrive in fish. A survey conducted by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration from 1990 to 1998 found salmonella in 10 percent of all raw imported seafood and 3 percent of all raw domestic seafood.

Although there have been a few cases of salmonella outbreaks at sushi restaurants, sushi doesn't appear to be more likely to spread the illness. If you're preparing fish at home, it still makes sense to make sure that the surface is cooked, and clean up any raw juices.

Okay, I'm done defending Radhika! I can't wait until next week when we get to see contestants from prior seasons.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 5:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Again, the judges did not get sick, did they? And no one I know has ever gotten sick from sushi. You are welcome to believe what you want, but the undercooked fish is way less of an issue in a challenge where leadership is.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, January 23, 2009 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
A survey conducted by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration from 1990 to 1998 found salmonella in 10 percent of all raw imported seafood and 3 percent of all raw domestic seafood.

WOW!! That is a higher percentage than I would have thought!!