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Bombaycat
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07-21-2007

Friday, January 30, 2009 - 5:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bombaycat a private message Print Post    
Well I knew when they were showing Lacey and Colleen's failures that neither were going home.

Okay, let me get the straight. Colleen has no culinary (formal) training has a culinary school, trains chefs and charges $300 for 3 hours of training. WTH??

Freetimefinally
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01-26-2006

Friday, January 30, 2009 - 5:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Freetimefinally a private message Print Post    
"I'm assuming that chick from a couple of seasons ago who worked at The Waffle House did not take Gordon's offer of culinary school and a chance to come back. "

Last season I looked her up on myspace and has has a couple of restraunts in Alanta. She likes morre of the down home cooking instead of the fancy stuff.

Cablejockey
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12-27-2001

Friday, January 30, 2009 - 6:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cablejockey a private message Print Post    
I love this show and the challenges, but, its really hard to watch Ramsay insulting some of these people due to their looks/weight. They should be judged for their skills or lack of, and how they work in the kitchen.
Last night he has made it clear he dislikes the women who charges $300. to teach cooking and the large guy, who he likes to call "big boy".
Of course some of these contestants are so full of themselves and inept, they are deserving of Ramsay's special touch. Cant beleive that one woman didnt realize that her stove wasnt on.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Friday, January 30, 2009 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Karen - you have identified my lame female chef! What tipped you off?

Can you pick out the remaining lame male chef? I was really shocked at how bad these two and the guy that left really were! I do understand that the casting folks want a range of personality types, but surely there can be a wide range of personality types who can cook!

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Friday, January 30, 2009 - 9:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
Cablejockey, I totally agree. I HATE it when Ramsay makes fun of people for their weight or height. It really pisses me off. Sometimes I wish one of those victims would have the balls to say, "Yes, <66>!!" instead of Yes, Chef! There's no excuse for his juvenile taunts.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 6:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Well, I don't have formal culinary training and I don't charge that much. But when people want me to take time to show them my "home style Chinese cooking", I've done it before. They buy the ingredients and pay me whatever they think I'm worth in whatever form. If others want to go to Colleen for lessons and are willing to pay what she asks for, no harm in that. But if I were Colleen, I wouldn't have told them how much if I even bother to tell about that. She probably had to tell them that to get on.

How did Lacey got away from Ramsay's eagle eye?
I guess she will get hers sooner rather than later. But how did she even get on???

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Chy are you giving lessons out of your home? This isn't your profession is it? There's a world of difference between being a professional who teaches and someone who teaches their culinary heritage from home... Just sayin'.

Zgoodgirl
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08-22-2003

Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zgoodgirl a private message Print Post    
I have a feeling that Colleen does a lot more than just teach techniques of cooking. She mentioned that she also teaches etiquette. I'm thinking that maybe the classes she holds are basically formatted for hosting parties at home. Where there are more things taught than just cooking. Such as home decor, setting and decorating a table, striking conversations during a party, things like that. I think that she probably just touches on the meal part, offers menus and recipe ideas, and maybe shows them how to prepare a hor'dourve or two.

She probably made it seem that her teachings were solely based on cooking, and I don't think that's the case.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 11:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
I took the "etiquette" comment to be meant as a slap in the face for Chef Ramsey. NOT a good idea, incidentally!

Zgoodgirl
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08-22-2003

Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zgoodgirl a private message Print Post    
I took it as a dig toward him too, but I also thought that she might have been truthful about it.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I totally took it as a dig. And truthful or not, is that really how you want to start your relationship with Ramsey?

Chy
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07-19-2003

Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Yeah, a dig. I agree w/cosatcat and Tnt.
At that point she either thinks she's done any ways(w/the show) or she may thought that would score her some points for being gutsy??

Yeah,You have a point. Yes, when I show coking tech. it's usually at others' home. One with the center island and stoves not in the corner...

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 6:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
Awwwwww I felt so bad for Robert, but at least he was able to still go.

Seabreeze
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09-05-2004

Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 9:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seabreeze a private message Print Post    
I felt bad for Robert. But I was angry at the show since they did discriminate against him. They even played a joke on him because he thought when he got there, there would be something to see/do and all he got was a chance to turn around and take the ferry back. They isolated him from his team members and showcased his weight issues by singleing him out.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 10:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I felt bad for Ji.

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 10:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
I did too Sea, I was almost in tears for her...

Zgoodgirl
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08-22-2003

Friday, February 06, 2009 - 7:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zgoodgirl a private message Print Post    
That was totally jacked up what they did with Robert. Why couldn't he have at least rode on the submarine with them? There were plenty of seats, and I'm sure that with a full tour party there it would have been packed. There was no reason for him to miss out on that.

I don't understand what the point was showing him being told he couldn't go, getting his hopes up when they told him about meeting them on the ferry and then shooting them down again once he got off. From the looks of it too, it looked like a long-ass ride, and I'm sure it was not very comfortable sitting there for that long of a time.

What they did was crap.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Friday, February 06, 2009 - 11:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
I felt bad for him too.
I also felt bad for Ji, an ankle sprain can hurt worse than a broken bone.

Do you think Colleen gives Chef Ramsay a headache? LOL

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Friday, February 06, 2009 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
<93> what he did to Robert and how he was taunting Colleen was inexcusable. I think his BEHAVIOUR merits him getting a taste of his own medicine.

I used to like Ramsay, but after seeing his "fun" little trick with Robert, I can't stand him.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, February 06, 2009 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
The boat to Catalina is a couple of hours and can be a delightful trip in itself (IF you aren't prone to seasickness.. and if it is choppy, even the strongest stomachs may flip a bit). You can walk around and possibly see dolphins and definitely see adorable flying fish and talk to people.

And despite the disappointment, it was far better than the fate of the women's team, back in the kitchen.

I think they could have given him a choice.. take the trip he got or stay back and relzx

I do think by this season, anyone going on the show is well aware of the temperament of the Chef and the nature of the show.

Jodie75
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08-26-2004

Friday, February 06, 2009 - 10:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodie75 a private message Print Post    
Ramsay's past behaviour has been awful, anyone could see that. But he deliberately excluded Robert; regardless of whether Robert saw some dolphins or not, it was pointed out very clearly that he was left out because of his weight.

When I was a fat kid, I too was excluded from everyone else's activities. The hurt over being left out and made fun of in front of an entire group of people would have definitely overshadowed the awe of ocean-life. Yes, Robert's an adult, and I'm now a skinny adult myself, but I'm sure the pain would have been just as poignant, considering that the "kids are cruel" cliche no longer comes in to play. Everyone knew he was transported on the ferry because he was too fat. It truly is the last condoned prejudice...nobody would be left out if it was a black person, a Jewish person, or a woman, they wouldn't dare...but it's still okay to make fun of fat people.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, February 06, 2009 - 11:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I don't think the rules for running an aircraft that is small are necessarily prejudiced, but just a safety issue. I wasn't paying attention to the aircraft they used, but one of the times I went to Catalina my dad won a flight there on a small seaplane from Long Beach over to the island and back and it was SMALL.

Anyway I don't think the rules were Ramsay's rules.

As for Robert, he went on the show knowing his weight would be an issue and he's mentioned it himself on every episode, so apparently he was willing to go through this in public. He applied to be on the show. Not the same as a kid who has no choice but to attend school.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 7:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Going from being a "fat kid" to a "skinny adult" - see above - involves making different life choices. Being black and/or female is not really a choice, and probably the religion you do or don't practice is largely "inherited" from your family as well.

This is not to say that I condone Ramsey's behavior because I DO NOT. I think the situation should have been clearly explained to Robert. BUT there was a limited time involved for the outing as the team had service that night. How fair would it be for the rest of the team to lose a couple of hours of their adventure waiting for the ferry to arrive?

We are a nation of dangerously overweight people and, worst of all, are endangering our children's lives by allowing them to be overweight as well.

I am pretty darn SURE that the weight restriction was that of the aircraft service and not of the show. However, I have a friend whose DH is president of the Knoxville airport, so I will ask her to ask him!

Seabreeze
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09-05-2004

Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 9:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seabreeze a private message Print Post    
Yes, the weight restriction was a result of the plane's insurance company. That being said and knowing that he was morbidly obese, the show could have chosen another outing which would not have discriminated against the obese. (when they were designing the prizes, they should have kept his obesity in mind)Secondly, even if they chose not to go that route, it would have been more honest, less insulting to say that he was excluded from the outing unless he wanted to go along with just a ferry trip to no where alone or stay back at the dorm and do nothing. While this would be discriminating, it would at least not be teasing him into thinking that he would be given the same oppty as the others. What Ramsey did was informed him that he would not fly but he could go by ferry and then after the long trip, shot his hopes down with Ramsey telling him to turn around and return on the ferry. This was humuliating and exploiting.

Seabreeze
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09-05-2004

Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 9:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seabreeze a private message Print Post    
Yes we are a nation of obese people....so are you saying that as one of the non obese ones, that it is your responsibility to affect change in the obese person thru discrimination? I am obese. I also work out 3-4 times a week and struggle with hormonal imbalances which cause my weight retention. But I also crave carbs and overeat. So, I should be treated like crap because the part of me that causes me to be obese via self destructive behaviors is a choice??? nevermind that there are other non choosing factors which cause me to be obese...