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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Friday, May 01, 2009 - 8:06 pm
Even though I have probably seen almost every ep of this show during the past few months from reruns, I consider myself new to the show. So far the two major things Cesar has helped me with is keeping my little 1.5 year old beagle from running out of the front door and down the street, and also keeping her from food and toy aggression. I actually lucked out that the same week my little beagle started getting aggressive with her toys and food, Cesar has an ep about it. Now she is so gentle I could grab her food or her toys with my own mouth and she couldn't care less. I was lucky to stop it the same week it started. Tonight's new ep was about a traveling groomer. Sometimes I watch this show and can't believe someone who works with dogs for a living doesn't know some of the most basic things. I don't know how Cesar keeps from getting mad at some people. (I've seen him close to getting mad and walking out to cool off) Let's talk about our fav old eps as well as the new eps 
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Kellsma
Member
08-28-2002
| Friday, May 01, 2009 - 8:28 pm
I love this show. It has helped me so much with my dog. I learned not to let him lead on the walks, that I am the Alpha Dog haha. It really helped. I also learned to assertively say no when he is begging and now that he is a little hard of hearing, I say no loudly and put my hand up and he walks away. He may not be very happy but he knows I mean business. Cesar is so true. It is all about training the humans more then the dogs.
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Friday, May 01, 2009 - 10:17 pm
I love this show as well, it's hard to pick a favourite episode, but for me anything with whippets is great. so far only one story with that breed, but he does seem to be able to work magic and in such a sweet way. It's similar to kids in a way, I never blame poorly behaved kids, it's the parents I look to. Dogs are the same way. Lately I've been told about the original dog whisperer, Paul Owens whom I'd never ever heard of before. http://www.dogwhispererdvd.com/paul_owens.html
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 9:06 am
Love this show too. My favorite episode was a recent one where the Dog Whisperer met the Horse Whisperer (Pat Parelli) and they went together to a Therapeutic Riding Center where Cesar worked with some unruly dogs, and Pat worked with a horse that was kicking its sidewalkers!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 10:00 am
I haven't watched the show (I haven't had a dog for 20 years, sadly) but my friend's next door neighbor is a hoot.. he speaks of Cesar in reverent tones.. unfortunately he seems to think that if he watched ANY other dog trainer he is being disloyal.. I had suggested that he might enjoy DogTown since it comes on right after Dog Whisperer on Friday nights, seemed like a good bet. This is a guy who also doen'st have a dog, but he dotes on my friend's dog and he's one of the only people she won't bark at.. My friend, on the other hand, just recently ordered the tier that includes NatGeo, so she can watch BOTH shows and she's enjoying them. Both her neighbor and I have tried to gently point out that her voice when she is "scolding" is all light and happy and that Hannah must think it is actually a good thing to bark so much or sneak into the living room and poop. Oy. That must have been a hoot to see the two Whisperers together, Kar. Did they learn from each other or did they mostly have common techniques. So true that the training has to be of the humans and then the human/dog pair. Always thought it was crazy when people shipped a dog off to a trainer without doing the part where THEY learned to work with their own dog. Being Alpha Dog is a good thing to know, huh?
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 10:14 am
Sea, I just can't watch that Dog Town show. I just can't stand to see how those poor animals have been mistreated. I'm happy there are people who have the heart to help them, but I just can't watch it. Too heartbreaking. I do love the Dog Whisperer though. I bought his book and always think of "How would Ceasar handle this?" when Cookie's acting up. My GF has a Golden Retriever who is really spoiled rotten. She really lets him get away with way more than her child. I'm the opposite. I let the child get away with way more than the dog. 
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 10:36 am
It's fascinating to me to compare the DogTown trainers to the Dog Whisperer. Their techniques are really quite different. As for the DW and the HW, not so different, except that horses are prey and dogs are predators. Both will acquiese to a 'leader' once that's established, but the techniques to establish leadership aren't quite the same. The techniques to teach people to be strong and have good energy aren't much different however. And that's almost always the problem that's causing the problems with the animals. So there's great similarity there.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 11:00 am
That makes sense.. the difference between dogs and horses. DogTown of course is dealing with a mostly traumatized population and their techniques do seem much more patient and permissive, I guess by necessity, so that if a dog comes into the trainer's home and jumps up to the counter, they are gently distracted, because maybe it is a small miracle that the dog would even come into the house, but of course they are led into different behaviors and rewarded for same. Seems like the Underdog to Wonderdog trainers are a bit closer to the DogTown trainers, but again they are often dealing with a highly traumatized creature. With DogTown I know they are WAY out in the boonies but still I'm a big advocate of crates in cars, so the loose dog in car thing bugs me a bit and I actually knew of dogs who survived WAY out in the boonies when a dear friend was run off the road in the early morning hours when he was taking a couple of pups out for some field training. Pups, in crates, survived. Andy, unseatbelted, tragically died. A huge loss in the labrador world of that time Hmm seems like maybe I should add this show to my schedule.. if it can fit in with Numbers, Flashpoint and FNL when in season.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 11:34 am
Cesar deals with traumatized dogs also, as well as those who have just been raised without limits. He has taken on some of the Vick dogs, and also some abandoned in hurricane Katrina. His methods seem stronger, and they seem to work more quickly; while DogTown's seem gentler and more about building trust slowly over a longer period of time. I think there are good qualities about both, and like the idea of being able to trade one style for another as I need with my three adoptees.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Monday, May 04, 2009 - 8:11 pm
Now that I am pretty much caught up with the past seasons of DW, I have been recording Victoria Stillwell's show "It's Me or the Dog". You can see that the basics are the same about showing the dog who the boss is, but for me, Victoria seems so detail oriented. And almost everything she does takes soooo long. I can see how that might be better for a damaged dog that has had a hard life and is very nervous, but since I have had all my dogs since they were puppies and know they have had a wonderful life, I really think Cesar's more abrupt ways are best for me most of the time.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 9:43 am
As Cesar says, dogs live in the moment. Getting them into the correct 'moment' quickly would seem more prudent.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 5:00 pm
I agree, OP. I remember when my beagle died at 14 years of age in October of '07. My German SHepherd was so sad she wouldn't move from her spot on the couch and she wouldn't eat. SO many people said "Give her time to grieve". Instead, 5 days later I got another puppy and she perked right up and was happy again. She made it her job to mind the new puppy. Once she (and me) had her mind on something new, the crying finally stopped and there were smiles again. I truly believe it's best to move on as soon as possible instead of dwell when it comes to losing pets. They truly live in the moment, and from experience I now know it is true.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 4:59 pm
Oh, Naja, you made me cry with that story! 
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 7:35 pm
Aww don't cry We are so happy now I think I learned something else from Cesar. You know how he always stresses "frame of mind"? Like if your dog is all nervous, wait until he calms down to go on with your lessons? I think that's what helped me teach my dog to use her gum-ball machine today. The first try was me putting her in front of it and forcing her paw to push the lever. She peed right there. So I knew that was wrong. Now I knew she already knew how to give me her paw, so after she calmed down, I put my hand under the lever and told her to give me her paw. When she saw that hitting the lever gave her a snack, she became so interested! Anyway, Cesar helped me teach my dog this in one day by showing not to continue unless she is in the calm submissive state of mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVT8B_PsULw
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:05 am
OMG, if Cookie had one of those, we'd always be refilling it and she'd be even fatter than she is now! First thing she does when she gets up in the morning is go sit in front of the pantry door and wait for her chicken strip. If you don't move fast enough she'll yip at you, even following you into another room to give you a little vocal "reminder"(Treat! Now!!!). Spoiled much?
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:07 am
Naja, I just watched that video. Is that your dog? That's adorable! Thanks for sharing!!!
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:35 am
She peed right there. LOL!!! That is a great trick, but like BJM my dog would be the world's fattest chihuahua if I had one of those.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, May 08, 2009 - 8:13 am
That is so adorable! Just gave me an awesome idea to teach my lab Marley to eat his meals more slowly!
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Friday, May 08, 2009 - 10:13 am
Your lab is named Marley?! How cool! (I haven't seen the movie but I LOVED the book!) That gum ball machine is cool! My dog ate like a cat for about 11 or 12 yrs., usually food was in her dish. That is so unlike most dogs. I think if most dogs would be able to use that machine whenever they want, they'd be there all day long! I think it's cool if they don't have unlimited access. It makes me wonder how much dogs really know that we don't give them credit for! I think one reason I have a lab/german/border mix that is 14 and still in great health is because we have always tried to stimulate her brain. She loves having jobs and stuff to do! (Unfortunately she is deaf now but can still see fine, but anyway, it is not as easy to work her brain. We've found ways though. It is just we have to make sure she is looking at us. Gone are the days where we can give her a command while being busy.) I think people can get so much out of watching the Dog Whisperer even if they don't have a dog! I love all the live in the moment stuff he says. I also saw one ep where he was talking about being in counseling with his wife and he always thought everything was her fault, that he was mad because she didn't clean or cook or whatever and then he realized had a part in it too. It's an old ep. Anyway, Cesar is very wise where it comes to people, even if he is the DOG Whisperer.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, May 08, 2009 - 11:33 am
Yes, my lab is just under a year old, and my DS had bought me the book as a Christmas present a few years ago. When we found the lab, he just insisted that we call him Marley; even tho he also insists that he won't go see the movie because it's too sad. He's a black lab, and my DS tells his friend we named him after Bob Marley... lol. And he is kind of Marley-like too, but not nearly like the one from the book. I do worry about the way he eats, he gulps his food like it's going to run away any minute, and pretty much swallows handfuls whole. We've slowed him down some by using a slow-down dish - he can't quite fit his muzzle in the little pockets, so he has to suck and lick the food out. I think this thing would work as a feeder cause it only releases a little bit at a time, he'd gulp that down, then he'd actually have to breathe while pressing the handle to get more! 
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, May 08, 2009 - 12:34 pm
My labs would have been so FAT if they had a chance.. but of course you can just put in the machine what you want them to eat at that time and yeah it would slow them down since most labs are "inhalers", though each has a certain pace. I'd feed them separately so they could each relax and know they would get the entire meal. Even the two cats I had when I had labs.. one would just wolf his meal (they had to be on canned food due to urinary/kidney issues) and the other was much slower, so they had to be separated from the dogs and each other. Kar, the movie would be sad for the dog, for sure.. that these people didn't really TRAIN him or deal with the poor guy's terrors. I bought it when it first came out in hardback and was SO angry by the end I immediately left it in a hotel lobby (with a bookcrossing number, of course) and gave it a rather bad review. On Amazon the reviews range widely from oooh ahh, to Grrr. Marley certainly is a cool name though. Definitely a good idea to stimulate animals.. heck at zoos and wild animal parks they've learned about that. I remember at old style zoos where the big cats would just pace back and forth all day.. very very sad. And dogs and cats need to be kept interested too. Many breeds of dogs were developed to DO jobs and they really love to do them. Naja, your beagle is SO CUTE with her new toy!! Sounds like all the trainers talk about looking for signs that a dog is "done" for now.. Chris on DogTown often points out the body language. And I remember on the Greatest American Dog when the poor sweet Brittany just flopped down on her side, trying to tell her equally sweet owner that she was just ready to stop that task..
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 10:20 am
DH and I were discussing why I never could get our first beagle to use that machine. It's definitely because that was back before I knew you should never leave food out for your dog unless it is meal time, so she was never motivated by having dry food as a reward for trick. Whereas my two dogs now think their dry food is as yummy as treats since they only get to eat once a day in the afternoon, and no canned food unless it's a special occasion.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 11:15 am
Oh, one more thing. I started doing that therapeutic massage down the spine of my old 14 year old German Shepherd dog. (That massage Cesar does to tense dogs). I need a gas mask! I swear to GOD about a minute or two into the massage, she starts farting like a race horse. Every frickin' time...LOL Oh well, to me that says it truly is relaxing her and making her feel good.
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 3:40 pm
LOL Naja I have an American Bull Dog with wicked gas UGG, I have 4 dogs now That we have Cotton Lilly, our bull dog, the maltese,Daushund Sally .and Maltese Abby get fed twice a day small amounts 1/4 cup twice a day as they gain easy and would eat as much as they see! My mix Terrier gets 1/2 cup twice a day! My Moose Lilly is only 8 mo old and I have a high food bowl for her that she free feeds out of and she never over eats But now I know why my son laughed when he seen how much I fed my little dogs! He sent me Lilly from Seattle for Christmas. He has the Mom. I watch Dog Whisperer all the time, it really helps. My Grand daughters Beagle seen me one time step on my trash can, next thing I know she is in the trash, stepping on the peddle :-(
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Friday, May 15, 2009 - 5:20 pm
Those beagles are little devils...I tell ya, Seattlemom! On last week's show, I was surprised Cesar had never been to a puppy mill. I'm not a big fan of watching shows that show so much sadness. I hope he gets back to rehabilitating soon. One quick note. I was watching Victoria's show again. She mentioned that once a dog gets past 2 years old, it gets harder and harder to teach them new tricks. One trick I tried to teach little Birdie was to roll over, but I gave up. My other 2 dogs learned it in a day or two when they were pups, but Birdie was resisting, so I gave up. I decided I better try again before she turns two this summer, and I think I got it! (or she got it) I'll get a video up as soon as I can.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 5:37 pm
Did you guys ever see this? South Park did an episode with Cesar coming to train Cartman...LOL It starts out that first they call Super Nanny, but that didn't work, then about 1 minute in they call Cesar. http://www.truveo.com/south-park-dog-whisperer/id/2587642306 The other 4 parts are stacked on the lower right side. This thing is hilarious.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 5:22 pm
Here is my Dog, Birdie, and her new trick. I finally taught her to roll over. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NScZpNr42pk
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Sunday, May 24, 2009 - 6:19 pm
I give her a big 10!
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 1:41 pm
Thanks OP I feel kinda silly posting my stupid pet tricks...But I am not kidding when I say that Birdie Beagle did not take to trick learning like my other two dogs that I have had as an adult. And Cesar's show really showed me why, and also how to overcome the obstacle. Dogs just won't learn when they are nervous or don't have the right incentive for the breed.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 1:47 pm
To give an example of what I said above...When my German Shepherd was a pup, she didn't even need a treat to learn to roll over. The sound of my happy voice was all the reward she needed. It was like her goal in life was to please me. And now I have this 100% pedigree beagle, and she won't learn a goddam thing without the reward of a food treat. She couldn't care less if I am happy or not...LOL eta: it's exactly like when Cesar starts talking about catering to the "breed".
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