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Bunkynut
Member
07-07-2004
| Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 2:23 pm
I HATE the way she slaps Jon. Not that he doesn't need a knee in the nads every now and then, but the way she does it and the way she constantly nitpicks at him bothers me. She wonders why the kids do that, well, look at the example that's being set.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 3:04 pm
Kate has been pretty clear about the fact that she does not believe a child must clean their plate..that it's fine to not finish everything, they just need to make a good effort to eat if they want dessert i don't think that is unreasonable at all. now that my kids are older, if they don't like what i am fixing, they can fix their own damn dinner! LOL but i will tell you it ticks me off to no end when they take a look at what i am fixing and say 'i am just gonna cook some pasta or fix a pb&j'. it makes me wonder why i even bother.
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 3:21 pm
No kids here full time, but when the bonus kids are here, or we have company - especially unexpected company - I do the "This is what I'm making and there's peanut butter, jelly, and ham/baloney/whatever I have. You won't offend me if you want a sandwich instead of what I cooked." I don't let the bonus kids cook what they want tho because I cook what they like, and they eat whatever the birth vessel cooks whether they like it or not at her place. Birth vessel implies I'm bad for not making them eat fish, but we only see them a couple times a year, if that, [so far nothing this summer so haven't seen them since Thanksgiving] so I'm NOT going to force them to eat what they don't like or what they don't want to. Besides I can't force somebody to eat something I can't gag down. When the bonus kids were younger, it was "clean your plate" before desert. But the plate was never "full". But back then it was more of a control thing with the bonus kids so I never "forced" them to eat anything, just no desert if they didn't eat a meal. I try my best to fix things that my bonus kids like, or expected visitors like, but when it comes to "drop ins" who just happen to show up at meal time, and they just happen to be very picky, I put the meal out on the table, along with bread and sandwich items, and if they still complaining I start listing all the places they could go to eat w/i a 2 mile radius of our house. Hubby's got some very picky relatives. I'm not a short order cook, esp if you drop by unexpected. You are more than welcome to join us, but if you are picky find somewhere else to eat. I found with my bonus kids, nieces, and nephews that if I nonchalantly said they wouldn't like something so they could have a sandwich, they "defied" me by trying it and liking it. Which was the whole point of commenting that they didn't like it.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 4:36 pm
a knee in the nads hahahahaha!!!!!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 4:45 pm
i don't like how she slaps him either. i haven't seen the kids nitpick or her wonder about though. LOL
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 8:53 pm
Since the twins have been in school awhile, I suspect Kate is aware of how that works. And with 8 kids and them being so young, it wouldn't be feasible to just have them cook whatever they want, so it seems.
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Dcaine
Member
06-29-2008
| Friday, July 11, 2008 - 7:07 pm
Oh and Kate is not OCD nor a Germaphobe, no germaphobe would cut nails at the table while the kids are eating or brush hair in the kitchen.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Friday, July 11, 2008 - 7:25 pm
Yeah, those poor kids look and act horribly abused. LOL 
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Dcaine
Member
06-29-2008
| Friday, July 11, 2008 - 7:26 pm
Oh and they had to do the cupcake bakery trip to explain why no one would be at a big party cause Kate has alienated her whole family now and Jons as well as Beth and most of the Nanas (Joan and Janet) they were at a speaking engagement on Mothers day and left the kids at home with nannies
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Friday, July 11, 2008 - 7:44 pm
There is really only one kid that worries me a lot, and it's little Alexis. She does the same thing my little cousin, Chris, used to do...make himself throw up for attention. It was sometime between him being 2 1/2 and 3 1/2. My cousin definitely grew into a very troubled teen and young adult. His throwing up stage only lasted a few months, but it definitely was the first sign of the worse things to come.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, July 11, 2008 - 8:03 pm
I used to have a child in daycare that would make himself throw up for attention and he's perfectly fine now. Some kids just get themselves worked up. I'm not saying that her kids won't grow up as neurotic as she is but I think that many people are just looking for things to complain about Kate for. None of us know what it's like to have to clean up after 8 kids, 6 being the same age. I never even have had that many in my daycare and it's a challenge to keep them clean. I like to say I look disorganized but there is organization in my disorganization!
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 7:26 am
The throwing up *could* be a sign of a deeper issue or it *could* just be her version of a tantrum. My eldest used to throw-up when she was upset, she would cry so hard that she would vomit and her nose would bleed. She grew out of it soon after she started school and is a beautiful, successful, well-balanced 19 yr old who is on the Dean's list in business marketing. When I spoke to my doc about it at the time she just shrugged and said she probably is just crying... WRONG .. and is swallowing air. This is the same daddy's girl who used to (at about age 3-4) ask strange men (as we walked by them) "are you my daddy?" to my complete mortification. LOLOL If we judge Kate by the minute to minute behavior of any one of her eight children then we must do the same to ourselves and I can't think of anyone who pass. LOLOL
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 9:19 am
Isn't that the truth, Rissa?!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 11:45 am
This kind of reminds me of whenever my kids do anything 'wrong', I have one friend who constantly says 'do you think it's because they are adopted??'. If you look for things, you will find them.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 11:56 am
whoa! Why is she still your friend??? I think I'd say, yeah, it probably is cuz they are adopted!! Wonder if I can give them back... OR Yeah, adopted kids are always doing bad things. Really wish I had a biological child because they are so much better behaved. (or something just as ridiculous!)
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 5:59 pm
let's just say she is an 'aquaintance' now. LOL i usually say 'i know, when you pay for your kids they should at least be perfect'. 
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 6:53 pm
Great comeback, Texannie! LOL
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 9:00 pm
Thanks LOL i definitely couldn't be on reality tv!!
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Sunday, July 13, 2008 - 8:29 am
There are congenital abnormalities of the esophagus and trachea that can cause vomiting. I was reading that some children have a more narrow esophagus. The child may have something minor that causes the food to back up. (My brother used to have a problem with food digesting. My niece had the same thing)
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, July 13, 2008 - 9:22 am
I think she does use it as a weapon/trantrum. That's what both Kate and Jon has said. I have seen children/toddlers hold their breath till they are blue as a tantrum or throw themselves on the floor kicking and screaming? Do they have psychological issues? Kids have tantrums. Kids use manipulation to try to get what they want. Whining is manipulation; would anyone accuse a child of having psychological issues cause they whined? Not playing into the manipulation and validating it is how you help the child learn that it doesn't work. Kate and Jon seem to be doing a good job of not buying into the tantrums.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Sunday, July 13, 2008 - 9:25 am
1. Kate said Alexis only threw up when she wasn't getting her way. 2. Kate said Alexis threw up almost every day for a year. No matter what, that's not normal, and it doesn't sound like physical problem to me. Since I actually lived with a kid that did this for attention, it is alarming to me. I was only 11 at the time when my cousins had to move in with us because of their financial situation (father died, mom was in college, my little cousin spend 8-10 hours a day at the school's co-op). By the way, my little cousin is dead now. He died at the age of 22 coming home from an out of state party. They found him in his car at a rest stop in a pile of his own vomit. His heart gave out from whatever he was taking at the party. That is why the whole thing alarms me.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Sunday, July 13, 2008 - 9:40 am
Just to add one more thing...I remember when my little cousin would start getting worked up to throw up. He would start his coughing and gagging routine, and if nothing would come up, you could actually catch him once in awhile when he thought no one was looking sticking his finger down his throat. He only did that if the cough/gag alone wouldn't bring up anything.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, July 13, 2008 - 11:24 am
Didn't Kate also say they saw/talked to their pediatrician about it? I am not taking it lightly. I have a child who lost 2.5 years of his life because of vomiting. He got ecoli and it destroyed his gastro system. I also think that toddlers have tantrums and many vomit, hold their breath, hit, pull hair, whine ect and they are not necessarily going to become a troubled child because of it.
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