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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Friday, October 10, 2008 - 5:45 pm
But she is still in shape. She's still dancing effectively, isn't she?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, October 10, 2008 - 6:41 pm
Part of dancing has to do with the dancer's "lines." And obviously, the few pounds she gained over the summer were enough that people noticed and personally, *I* think it's affected her lines. And if she was trying to hide things with those butt ugly costumes she had on the first couple of weeks, they just made matters worse (and those dresses HID her lines). I'd also disagree that she's completely in shape. She's lost some muscle tone, so she's not in the best of shape or the shape she's been in in previous seasons. I'm also not saying she's fat, but she's definitely not thin.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Friday, October 10, 2008 - 6:55 pm
Well, *I* stand by what I said earlier. It is no wonder so many women in this country have body issues when someone like Cheryl Burke is picked apart like this.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Friday, October 10, 2008 - 7:45 pm
I Hermione.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, October 10, 2008 - 8:33 pm
There's a difference between "body issues" and having other "issues." Gaining a few lbs isn't a big deal, but if you do just 'fess up to it. (Considering how often TMZ caught her on tape leaving night clubs, and often not sober, it's not surprising she gained a few lbs, either.) And no, I do not want to look like Cheryl Burke. I'm quite happy with my own body, thankyouverymuch.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Friday, October 10, 2008 - 8:33 pm
The very fact that people are talking about it this much, not just here but other places, helps perpetuate the perception for females that there is something wrong with us if we are not a size zero. I never intended to perpetuate this at all (if this is a perception that truly exists among most adult women). I made a point of noting that I didn't think Cheryl was fat. To be clear, imo, there is something wrong with 95% of women if you ARE a size 0. I was there 5 yrs ago, NOT pretty ....
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, October 10, 2008 - 8:42 pm
Hermie, yes she is She is still one of the top females, IMO. Costa, yep TMZ loves showing her all lite up after a night of partying. I just thank God that during my 20's video phones werent around cuz I am sure I would have some youtubes out there just like Cheryl's TMZ moments 
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Maddy
Member
08-28-2005
| Friday, October 10, 2008 - 8:50 pm
"(if this is a perception that truly exists among most adult women)." If? It's estimated that 7 million American women have an eating disorder. One in 200 American women suffers from anorexia. Two to three in 100 American women suffers from bulimia. Nearly half of all Americans personally know someone with an eating disorder. Eating disorders have the highest mortality rate of any mental illness. I think we can pretty much conclude that the perception (that there's something wrong if we're not thin)definitely exists. Hermione69 is absolutely correct in her comments. I work as a volunteer in support groups for girls with eating disorders. I can tell you from experience that the media is a huge factor in this horrific problem.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 5:43 am
I have to agree with Costa on this one. There is also a big obesity problem in the U.S., so much that the U.S. is known the world over for it. It's unfortunate that Cheryl gained weight, but staying fit IS part of her profession. She seems to be getting back into shape quickly, and doesn't deserve the nasty comments in the media. I personally need to lose a few, so don't go around judging out of hand, but I think her weight gain was apparent and distracted from her recent performances. (from what I saw on youtube, not a regular fan of the show.)
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 6:59 am
She is fit -- she wouldn't make it through those practices and routines if she wasn't. She isn't as thin as the other dancers, but she doesn't have the same body type as them either (she has mores curves than straight lines). You can try to justify it all you want, but until Hermione said something, no one really talked about her lines or her fitness or any distraction. It was all about her size, which by any measure is still quite slender. Yes, the US in general has an obesity problem. But we also have a lot of young people, especially girls, harming themselves trying to fit ideals they will never fit. More of them will look like Cheryl (and like her, be perfectly healthy doing so) than Julianne, and trying to change that will just mess them up more than they need to be.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 7:17 am
I see the problem in the U.S. as a lack of balance. We go to extremes (obesity vs. anorexia) because the U.S. lacks a norm for a healthy lifestyle. This is my own opinion, not based on any studies. Her size is a distraction because its the first thing I noticed when I watched a bit of the program. It's unfortunate but true. I don't think the US is ever going to deal with it's eating disorders (both anorexia and obesity) until we get honest with ourselves about the problem. Too bad Cheryl is the unwitting spokesperson for this discussion, because I think her weight gain is particular to her, not every woman in the country. Given her profession and national exposure, it's natural for people to notice and comment on it.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 7:32 am
Maddy, yes I am aware that there is a small percentage of women who, sadly, are influenced by media images to believe that they should be a size 0 and develop an eating disorder. I said 'most' women. If you read thru this thread, clearly most of the women here think that Cheryl looks fine or even great. Most adult women in america in fact are overweight, and are clearly more influenced by media images of food than size 0's Some people can talk about weight changes matter of factly. I am sorry if some here are more sensitive, or see it as taboo. IMO the food threads here, where dessert ideas are shared, are a lot more 'dangerous' given the much larger obesity and diabetes problems in america ... but I respect others right to discuss them
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 7:39 am
As I see it the only difference between anorexia and over-eating is that usually anorexia kills you faster...both in the long run can be deadly.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 8:03 am
Am I right in assuming that the term 'eating disorder' is now being used to describe 'over' and well as 'under' eating?
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 8:06 am
I guess it is compulsive overeating, or "binge eating" is classified as a disorder... http://www.renfrewcenter.com/eating-disorders-anorexia-bulimia/compulsive-overeating.asp
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 9:56 am
Most adult women in america in fact are overweight, and are clearly more influenced by media images of food than size 0's Compulsive overeating has strong ties to self-esteem issues which can be perpetuated by the media's suggestion of what we should look like. It's not just anorexia that has roots in the media's stereotypes. I think Maddy's post was very valuable, she works with these women who have eating disorders. Some people can talk about weight changes matter of factly. I am sorry if some here are more sensitive, or see it as taboo. We had just as much right to add our opinions to the discussion as you did. It doesn't make us "too sensitive" because we disagree with you and look at this from a different perspective.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 10:38 am
a person can be an athlete and not be rail thin. think of Charles Barkley; he's very stocky for a basketball player but had a successful career. ironically, male athletes are very rarely criticised for being 'fat'. as the mother of a 14 year old daughter, the fact this discussion has gone on for several days here not to mention the media is very frightening to me. how do to teach a child about healthy weight, perspective, self esteem when discussions like this keep going on?
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 11:50 am
"ironically, male athletes are very rarely criticised for being 'fat'. " males in general are rarely criticised for being overweight. Men just seem to get better with age, even if they add a few lbs.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 12:26 pm
I didn't say that anyone was 'too' sensitive. Of course we can disagree It just seemed initially to me that this wasn't a discussion, but rather, it was harshly indicated that we shouldn't be talking about it (and our intentions were mischaracterized) I took from Maddy's post that she volunteers with girls who are anorexic and bulimic. I don't doubt her experiences. Most girls, I think unfortunately, are negatively affected by media images even if they are at a healthy weight. I also agree that there are women who overeat because of 'unrealistic body images' and related self esteem issues, as you say, Hermi. I just think that it is a relatively small percentage of women ... there are many reasons why women overeat. FWIW, I would have been a lot more circumspect if this were an environment with a lot of young girls/women. But most of us here are middle aged, and I didn't think that I would be seriously jeopardizing anyone's health/esteem by agreeing that Cheryl's weight had changed but she wasn't fat. Sorry.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 12:30 pm
Texannie, I agree. My daughter is beautiful and has a beautiful shape. She's not rail thin and she has body issues. I have fought that battle with her for years. She's an athlete and in great shape and it depresses her sometimes that with all her working out, she's still a size 10.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 12:34 pm
And there's nothing wrong with being a size 10. I'm sure she's beautiful!!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 4:38 pm
no, there isn't Vacanick, and that's what's so terribly sad that it even needed to be said! LT, I remember when my daugther first started getting 'curves' and she was so excited but then someone made a comment that she was 'curvy' and it hurt her so badly. and this is a child who is 5'3 and is a size 3!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 8:40 am
The point that you are missing is that on some WOMEN, a size 10 is normal. On othr WOMEN, a size 10 is getting close to morbidly obese. Some women can carry a few extra pounds and it doesn't show. Some women can't. While Americans are obsessed with eating disorders, Americans are amongst the most unhealthy of all nations. Go to Europe and spend some weeks there. Look around. The "locals"? They are all relatively "normal." You can spot an American tourist a mile away (and nope, the disposable cameras and fanny packs aren't the reason why). I have friends in the Netherlands who say they can always tell when it's holiday time in the States. We spent one day sitting in a square a looking around, and the ONLY overweight people were American. And no, we did not see any underweight people either. That food thread that Sharinia mentioned? Go take a look at some of the recipes. And look at how few of them are really healthy recipes. The desserts? The "quick fix meals"? Some of them are so high in sodium and fat it's not even funny. And drinking on a regular basis? That's not healthy and is really just a lot of empty calories. So is eating out every night, unless you've learned how to order meals that aren't unhealthy. It all boils down to what is healthy for YOU and maintaining healthy eating habits and lifestyle. I'm not rail thin, but there is no way I could or would ever be a size 10. Finally, once again. I never said Cheryl was fat. But I don't think she's thin either. I think she had gained some weight, and it was noticeable. I didn't say she was obese, only that it was noticeable. I also believe it was considerably more than 5 lbs. So what message is Cheryl promoting by denying she gained weight? If she had been honest, she should've said yes, she gained more than she intended, but she's back to her healthy lifestyle and choices, and is planning to get back to her regular shape and size.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 12:11 pm
I think you are missing the point, but, really, I don't have anything else to say on the subject.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 12:13 pm
I eat healthy foods sometimes and junk food sometimes. I never was a size 10, other than perhaps in 7th or 8th grade as I was growing into my ultimate size 14. I don't care whether people think I'm fat I don't care whether people think I'm healthy I don't care what foreigners "normal" is Nothing matters to me but being happy within myself. Since I blew out 3 discs in my back 2 years ago, I've moved up more into a size 16. Once again, I don't care. And ice cream is my favorite food. Anyone who wants some is welcome to come on over and chow down with me!!
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