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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 9:41 am
Yay Joshua!!!! The judges favorite dances were mine also lol. Loved Wade's Rabbit routine!!
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 9:42 am
Oh and the popping duel was freaking amazing!
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 9:45 am
It appeared to me that Allison still had her baby weight. Regarding the Will thing, I expect the judges to have favorites but the show should retain some semblance of fairness to all the dancers. They (Nigel, Mary) seemed more vested in Will than any of the other dancers bringing up his Debbie Allen connection quite frequently. It also seemed like some of the editing and group dance numbers were put together to highlight Will's talent more than anyone else. That just was not fair in my eyes. While I agree that neither was Will's fault and he should not be punished for it, I just never warmed up to Will from day one. He is a great dancer and will go on to a successful career (as well he should). But, in my opinion, he didn't have the something extra that made me interested in him as a dancer. There appeared to be a bit of arrogance that turned me off as well. I was more interested in those dancers who succeeded in their dance outside their normal element (Josh, Twitch, Mark). They were more interesting to me to watch. Having said all that, it was a fun show last night and an enjoyable season.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 9:54 am
So what do y'all think? After Danny last season (who did at least make it to the finale) and Will this season, do you think the judges will learn to shut the heck UP and quit fawning over the "classically trained" dancers? Me? I don't think they've learned and they'll continue to do it and we'll continue to vote for who WE like. Just wonderin'...
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 9:58 am
If Joshua took dance lessons then how is he not classically trained then?
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:05 am
I would venture to say that all of the dancers have had some sort of training....that being said, Joshua is the TOTAL PACKAGE. He is talented, strong, cute as a button, humble, sincere, humorous, oh, and did I say "talented!!!" That man can do anything and he is a joy to watch. I am so glad he won; although I liked the other finalists too. Can't wait to see how he continues to blossom as a dancer!
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:13 am
Costa - no, I don't think they learned. Next year, the same thing will happen with another dancer. Will just didn't take dance lessons, he was enrolled in a famous dance program which is much more intensive training over a wide variety of dances. In my opinion, it's like taking a few community college classes versus attending a prestigious university... with no disrespect toward community colleges intended, as I did both and could see a difference between the two once I got to the university.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:31 am
Mocha, the reason why I put quotes around "classically trained" is because that's what Nigel kept saying. Joshua took dance lessons, but he didn't spend years training. He's a street dancer, or was. Will, same as Danny last year (who was a dancer in the ABT, wasn't he?) is "classically trained". While I don't think it should matter, there is a world of difference between taking dance lessons and training for years with someone like Debbie Allen.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:31 am
Oh yeah... something I forgot. Nigel tap dances? Who knew? I sure didn't but it was a kick to watch him. And he wasn't bad, either!
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:38 am
So then you're saying classically trained is training for years and years like starting when you're 6 or something? Okies.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 11:06 am
No. I'm saying I think that's what the JUDGES are saying. THEY are the ones who keep throwing that phrase at us. THEY are the ones who keep fawning on about those who have training versus the two street dancers (who happened to be F2) who didn't. For me? I'll take a dancer with heart. And I don't care where or how that dancer got his or her dance on. To me, Twitch and Joshua had heart along with personality plus, were adorably entertaining, had interesting backstories, and learned and grew throughout the season. And both of 'em landed in the F2.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 11:23 am
Oh yeah sorry I meant that you're saying what the judges are saying lol. Sorry.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 11:41 am
I was so glad to hear that Cedric took Debbie Allen up on her offer from last season and enrolled in her academy.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 11:46 am
To me classical training is ballet training, with the "first position, second position," jete, arabesque stuff, in which you are trained for specific body positions/movements which are then incorporated into a dance. That's where you get a lot of your lines and extensions and pointed feet and graceful hands stuff, I think. Then again, I could be completely blowing smoke... The reason I liked Joshua was I think he has the potential for being the best dancer of the bunch. I saw a great deal of growth in his dancing over the season, more than Twitch or Katee. Katee was good from the start, but didn't go any further. Twitch seemed to plateau after awhile to me, and the choreographers started choreographing to his strengths (like Mia's door routine -- lot of what he did in that seemed hip-hop, rather than contemporary). I just see some really great things in Joshua's dancing future.
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Darrellh
Member
07-21-2004
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 11:52 am
I just think that America didn't like being told who they were supposed to vote for. It was like it was pre-ordained. "Here's Joe, who when he dances, the clouds part and the Angels sing hymns of praise and thanks, and grown men weep, and then, there's Bob. Just...Bob."
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 11:55 am
Oh, no doubt, and when I heard what the judges said to Katee and Josh (about them being the Best. Dancers. Ever. On. The. Show.) I was afraid it would backfire and Joshua would lose.
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Sweetsue
Member
08-25-2006
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 12:21 pm
It was so great to see my two favorites in the finale -- I hope Twitch gets great opportunities too. I think part of the hip hop guys' appeal was that you could believe they were "interested" in their partners.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 12:33 pm
Are you saying that maybe...say...Marquis...wasn't interested in his partner...LOL!!!
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Sweetsue
Member
08-25-2006
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 12:43 pm
Yep -- we have to use our imagination with quite a few of those guys.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 1:00 pm
Lolol Darrell!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 3:17 pm
LOL! I think maybe if some of 'em had gotten to F4, they would've been more interested in their partners? (Where they switch it up and dance same sex?) Prisoner, I think that's what the judges think... And they pointed things out (like Courtney's not finishing her extensions due to HER lack of training) often enough to be able to figure out what they meant. And of course, there's Darrell's cloud parting thing. The way they treated Jessica when she was standing next to Will... "And then there's Jessica...".
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Dovez
Member
08-27-2005
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 3:18 pm
btw, ms mocha...looks like we're gonna have to share our joshua with the world now.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 3:31 pm
Darrel.. loved that article you posted a ways back in the thread and I agree with everything they said about SYTYCD vs AI.. though I'd also compare the hosting, with Cat coming out far more to my liking. Maybe that is why Nigel will be leaving AI behind.. I heard that the other day. I said it already, but I loved seeing Mary and Nigel get up and show what they can do and I loved the idea mentioned that all the judges should do the same. I'd be very happy next year even to forego some of the guest entertainment and be able to see judges and maybe choreographers show off a bit. So much talent there.. On the classical training topic, I do think they like to push the formal training, especially foundational work in ballet. Even with Katee, who they praised for using her training and holding poses, etc., one judge "encouraged" her to keep up her ballet work. Our paper had a rather disappointing tiny article today with some title basically saying "local dancers come up short" or some such rubbish.. good grief! local OC dancers.. three in the top 20 and two of them were top three!! They mentioned that Katee would put off returning to Chapman University while on the tour and that Twitch's second place would lead to more gigs for him. And they just mentioned Kherington, who is also local. I noticed that as each of the top 20 appeared, I didn't regret the loss of any of them over those in the top 4, but did find myself wanting to see Kherington perform.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 3:37 pm
Where's Bob and how can I vote for him? 
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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, August 08, 2008 - 4:37 pm
I didn't like all of the attention on the judges last night....I just am not as interested in them. I thought the show was more about them than the "kids" and some of the chatter was boring. I thought that Mary was pretty bad (better than I can do, but you will never see me dance on national tv.) She didn't do what she tells other dancers to do...her form was off. Nigel was OK, though his was a bit less difficult he did it well. But bottom line, I would have preferred more of the favorite dances of the season or numbers with the choreographers. I'm not totally uninterested in the judges....but I am more interested in their backstories than their dancing (unless they are active dancers now and really good.) I think as a culture we have changed so we don't like perfection. We tend to value heart over technique, or at least as much as technique. I have a friend that is a pianist and she used to be annoyed that everyone raved about the playing of another friend of ours, who wasn't technically as great as some other musicians (including her) who didn't get the same reaction. I used to tell her that he had such passion and personality when he played that he took us along on a journey and involved our emotions....and most of our ears aren't developed enough to capture the nuances of the technique. And if we do catch the problems, sometimes we simply don't care. That's why I thought the dances in that finals show were so great. Were there mistakes that even my untrained eye caught? Yep. But they danced their hearts out and had the chemistry and a lot of us appreciated that more than we would have appreciated better technique. LOL....looking back over this post, I guess I don't feel the same about the judges as I do the "kids."
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