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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 1:39 pm
Also, whether we realize it or not, our opinions of the way people look includes the way they behave. Sometimes you meet someone and at first you think they are very good looking, but after you get to know them you wonder why you thought that. The reverse is also true. Sometimes you meet someone and wonder why they don't do something to improve themselves and after a while you realize they look just fine the way they are.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 9:24 pm
Dogdoc, I am up around 4am daily, leave the house by 5:30. Mama, ITA! There is a guy at my work that is average looking but he is the sweetest guy in the world so that makes him HOT HOT HOT! of course if I was in my 20s that wouldnt make him hot, I only liked the bad boys LOL
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 6:04 am
I have never heard of animal studies and symmetry. I think if a bird would look at a symmetrical bird he would see a balanced body, not a beautiful one. I actually thought the symmetrical test on the show was a joke. It should have been. lol
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 9:33 am
Just because you never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I first heard of symmetrical beauty years ago when I visited a museum in Balboa Park. There was a system there that measured your symmetry (against right and left sides). Since then I've seen studies where different species have been proven to have a preference for symmetrical opposites. I'm not going to go look up the references, but they do exist. You can choose to believe it or not, but it does exist.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 9:35 am
Actually, if you ever decide to have plastic surgery, the surgeon will "measure your face." When I had my nose done a couple of years ago, the surgeon measured the symmetry on my face.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 10:00 am
I've known about this beauty-symetry school of thought for quite a while now. I agree with those folks that say it's the little quirks that make people beautiful, rather than cookie-cutter pretty. As for me... what little chin I have is visibly uneven (at least to me). If I was young and rich I'd have the same chin implant that Carol Burnett had years ago. Oh well.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 1:44 pm
Yep it has been around a long time, but I think that the people who normally do the tests are scientists, not plastic surgeons.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 3:12 pm
Well, in my opinion an excellent plastic surgeon would do the test before performing surgery. My plastic surgeon was double board-certified and had been practicing for over 30 years (and he was worth every penny I spent)!
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 4:47 pm
Costa, I was not doubting the tests. I just think an animal's concept of beauty would be functional.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 6:37 pm
I guess CJ and I stand alone on the unimportance of symmetry. I have CJ all to myself. Yea!
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Jodie75
Member
08-26-2004
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 8:12 pm
Dogdoc, I totally agree with you! I find "quirky" or unusual beauty to be much more fascinating then boring symmetrical beauty. Like I said earlier, when I was a teenager I thought symmetrical beauty was...well, beautiful. But as I matured, I started to appreciate far more different types of beauty and unusual differences from the common standard of beauty. I definitely don't think symmetry defines a beautiful face. Maybe when I was younger and first exposed to fashion magazines, but not anymore. Now it's the whole package - the characteristics of someone's face, and their personality all are more important to me than the boring and common definition of beauty. I said above that there has been in fact studies that showed that babies respond more...but I truly believe that with maturity comes a new appreciation for each other's differences.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 8:43 pm
Same with me. When I was younger without consciously thinking about it I found symmetrical was more beautiful but now I enjoy uniqueness.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 10:17 pm
I cant believe no one commented on the charity hoax. I was shocked CJ suggested and even went thru with the charity lies. I realize he stopped but I am disappointed in him. Kudos to our favorite tear girl for standing her ground. Glad Ashley went.
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Jodie75
Member
08-26-2004
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 11:42 pm
Hey Pamy, a bunch of us commented on the charity hoax! I said myself that it was just wrong. I couldn't believe that my former front-runner came up with such a bad (and WRONG!!) idea. And yes, I'm glad Chelsea didn't go along with it. There's more to this girl than what we are seeing. On one hand she's acting shallow and bitchy, but then we see a softer, kinder side (usually when nobody's really around to witness it). It will be interesting to see how it turns out with her.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 6:10 am
Pamy, there are quite a few posts regarding the hoax. It was disgusting. I had the same reaction to CJ as you did.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 8:22 am
aahhh I forgot to ck the archives! duh! Jodie, I agree, I also was thinking they show her 'confessionals' more than others, so either she goes soon or is in finals
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 9:19 am
Yeah, almost all of us commented on CJ's idea, but then gave him minor props for feeling bad and stopping the hoax midway thru. Dogdoc, symmetry in the animal kingdom ensures survival and mating. Slightly different meanings but... I believe there was a study of fish (swordfish?) and they manipulated stripes on the male fish so that they were asymmetrical. The females always chose the symmetrical males. So while you may not consider a fish beautiful, apparently the female ones thought the symmetrical ones were more pleasing when it came to choosing a mate.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 9:51 am
reading back thru the thread I agree about the charity tasks this week. They didnt feel natural. It almost felt like they told CJ to give the money to the table for his team. I wonder how much of this show is scripted or at least outlined. Seeing how BB edits and some of the VH1 shows have me cynical about many of these reality shows lately. Lately so many of them feel acted/scripted. I also know the producers manupulate our feelings by what they choose to show us. If I was Ashley I would have said something at the end, I was surprised she didnt say 'it was CJ's idea, he did it too' and 'I stayed and made sure the guy said he was ok' I think CJ's is being edited as the winner, esp after the speech he gave
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 10:51 am
I dunno. I really don't think Ashley totally "got" why she was eliminated. I don't think she really understood how badly she came across with all that (especially when she snatched the bracelet off that guy).
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Puttergirl
Member
08-11-2000
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 11:08 am
Pamy, maybe Ashley knew she carried it farther than CJ once she saw the tape. I thought she looked a little ashamed after that. They always make themselves look worse at the end when they argue with the judges. Better to go out with a little class.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 1:43 pm
oh ITA. She earned a little respect from for how she went out, unlike the girl from last week.
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Malaka
Member
07-05-2007
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 2:53 pm
She earned a little respect from for how she went out, unlike the girl from last week. I think she was embarrassed and shocked speechless. She barely said a word. I like the concept of secretly testing them on their hidden beauty.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 3:08 pm
Ashley probably was also more embarrassed remembering all her confessionals. She was the one who bragged about all her expensive outfits constantly. I'm wondering who they're going to shove on us as the true beauty now. Certainly not CJ, Chelsea or Joey.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 3:48 pm
What Malaka said... I got the shocked speechless vibe from her. I thought she had a pretty bewildered "what? me?" look on her face.
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Aitch41
Member
01-09-2009
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 8:29 pm
I not sure about anybody else - but my mom would have beaned me for acting like these people. Do you think any of them are happy?
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