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Kitt
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09-06-2000

Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
The weeks work out fine, as long as there are only single executions/bribes from now onwards. There's always an extra "reveal" show at the end after the winner is announced, so that makes up the 10 episodes.

You've got good eyesight Curly!! I just can't get as much detail out of it as you can! If the entry visas in the passport are mid 90s we need someone who was either an army brat (trying to think why else a child would travel a lot) or is 30 or above (assuming they travelled when they were 18 and above). The youngest players left are Paul at 29, Craig at 30, Alex at 31 and Clay at 32. I can't see Paul traveling much, given his occupation, nor Craig really. Alex, being a musician, might have travelled a lot, and also at the right age if he learnt music professionally after school. Kristen, as a model, could have travelled. Clay, Mark and Nicole could have travelled too I suppose. Did anyone say they hadn't left the US before?

Good point about the damp looking page in the first episode clue. That means that it isn't significant that the episode 4 notebook page looks damp. To me it looks like it has writing on it, but too feint and I can't make it out.

The ep2 clues eliminate Mark and Kristen anyway, if you take the "ran us" comment describing the football game literally. Maybe the first little piggy comment refers to the first team we saw go to market? But I think all teams left together.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Kids generally travel on their parent(s) passports, or so it has been when I have been in line with a family -

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Ah, see. I've never been a traveler so here's where I'm clueless about things. So we're looking for someone who was an adult in 1996? There was another stamp that looked like '93, but it might be '98. Can someone explain to me how these passport stamps work? Do they stamp it just once, or once going and once returning?

I had missed that second episode completely so I didn't realize the soccer game was taking place without Mark and Kristen. Yes, that would definitely eliminate them, unless the person writing this dossier really messed up. If the Mole is told about challenges ahead of time, I would imagine he/she would want to stay with the group rather than take the bike for the exemption.

Isn't Kristen a neuroscientist? I thought Ali was the model.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 8:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
I zoomed in on the passports and here's what I notice. Many of them seem to be from either Spanish speaking countries or Italy. One says "ENTRATA" which I understand to be Italian, but I can't make out a date on it. A couple of others are from "1997 AGO" which probably stands for Agusto (Spanish) or Agosto (Italian). They almost all have summer dates. Could this indicate a student traveling during summer break? August 8-18, June through July, June through September. Then there's one that looks like "10 06 (?)6 27." That one looks like it says Moscow, but it could be Mexico.

If this passport is for real, someone had the money to travel out of the country for several summers, and chose Italy and/or Latin America most of the time.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 8:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Depends on the country, Curly, but most just stamp on the way in. Or some not at all. There'd be a US stamp on the return for when they entered back in to the country, the US always stamps, in my experience.

It says neuroscientist, model and equestrian for Kristen. Smart and beautiful!

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, June 30, 2008 - 11:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Anyone notice Jon mentioned sour again, and there's Paul again with his sour lemon? I still don't think it's him because of how he was in the early episodes, but if it wasn't for that he'd be on my radar.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, June 30, 2008 - 11:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
This week's text clue is CHNO 111738. Using the phone that's 2466 111738. I never get anything out of the text clues.

The clue card says:
2 3 4
7 1 5
Equally obscure.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Is anyone able to get a screengrab of the key in the jail challenge? The fob looks like a thick waxy thing, and it's a weird shape. I wondered if it was a clue.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 6:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
It was a weird keychain. I went back to look at it again, but it just looked like a hunk of something. Meanwhile I've been staring at all these letter and number clues and so far I've turned up nothing. I tried changing letter to numbers and numbers to letters, and I still get nothing.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Pardon me if this has been posted already, but I couldn't find it. I read elsewhere the suggestion that the episode 2 clue
ABCBB
ACCBCA
was indicating the way their scores went down. Eleven letters, eleven players. The letters in the original clue were arranged in the exact same configuration as the players' seats at the elimination. So I looked at where they were sitting. If these letters reflected their scores, then you'd get
A-Clay, Paul, Bobby
B-Craig, Alex, Mark, Victoria
C-Nicole, Liz, Ali, Kirsten
Note that almost all the C's are eliminated. If this is really what that clue means, I'm not sure if it really helps with mole-tracking. The Mole would've scored an A if taking the test seriously, but being the Mole they didn't need to even read the questions.

I guess that wasn't very helpful, but I'm still obsessing about these cryptic clues.

I also finally got to see episode 2. Mark is pretty much off my radar after watching that. He was like a petulant child during that bike thing, especially when the host tried to talk to them.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 9:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I agree about Mark. Similar reasoning has me unable to believe it's Paul or Nicole, their behaviours in the early episodes were just too extreme.

I know they wouldn't eliminate the mole IF they came last on the test, but I assumed that they would take the test and with the knowledge they have they would just ace it. Maybe that isn't necessarily true though... it probably depends on the personality of the mole.

I haven't been able to work out anything with the numbers either. I've tried letters to digits, digits to letters, adding them sideways, adding them up and down. I just hope at the end they tell us what we should have done!

Biginjapan
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07-23-2005

Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 9:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biginjapan a private message Print Post    
well i guess there will be no girl alliance on this show

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 5:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I am so sad our plan didnt work! Paul is the Mole!Paul is the Mole!Paul is the Mole!Paul is the Mole!Paul is the Mole!Paul is the Mole!Paul is the Mole!

Puttergirl
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08-11-2000

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 5:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puttergirl a private message Print Post    
I actually think it could be Mark. Has anyone considered that that hissy fit may have been a chance for him to storm off and get some alone time with producers? I remember from past shows how they would show moments where the producers and the mole would steal moments away from the action in similar ways.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Excellent thought, Puttergirl.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Isn't Mark too real to be the mole? My family has a lot of, how should I put it, obsessive members, and Mark fits right on in there. If he is the mole then he is an excellent actor and I give major props to him, I don't see any holes in his performance.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
The mole journal still hasn't been updated. It makes me think they're not putting much care or thought into it - if they were they would have it ready to go the day after the show was aired. When they leave it so long it makes me think that on Friday someone shouts "we haven't updated the journal yet" and they just scribble any old thing in. <grump>

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 3:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I got the following from here:
http://cineplexcity.com/mole/clues.html
It's not my cleverness

Apparently the clue:
E F G
P Q R
Z O O

Is a Caesar Cypher. You work out how the second line maps onto the first line, and use that to work out what the last line says. In this case P maps to E, Q to F, R to G by counting forward 15 letters of the alphabet, so Z O O maps to O D D or "odd."

The guy in the link says Paul played and said "odd finger out" (and I checked, he did) before the journal burning, but that seems like a small mention of it. I'm tempted to go through the whole episode and see if anyone else mentions it.

But in the absence of other info, the clue points to Paul.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 4:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
(just played the episode again and I didn't hear ODD used at anytime - but then I didn't hear Paul say odd finger out from where I was, and he clearly did!)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Wow! That is pretty good digging for clues!

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 5:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I was bored!

The clue could also point to Alex, as Alex won the game of "odd finger out."

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 6:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
That's what I'm thinking. If Alex was the odd one out, then it points to him. Then again, Paul and his lemon bring up thoughts of all those "sour" remarks. Could be him, too. At this point, I don't like either of them as the Mole (which means one of them probably is).

Thanks for passing on the Caesar Cypher info, Kitt. At least that's one less to figure out.

Jasper
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09-14-2000

Monday, July 07, 2008 - 8:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jasper a private message Print Post    
I was wondering whether the key chain fob was inthe shape of the state the mole lives in.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, July 07, 2008 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I had a look at state shapes too, but couldn't see one that matched. It was kind of a blobby keyring, almost like a flat version of grapes. Like melted wax grapes. It was such an odd shape for a keyring though, I do think it might be some sort of clue.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, July 07, 2008 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
The Mole Journal has been updated for episode five.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/themole/index?pn=dossier

I don't think it adds much.

There's a polaroid of a chain which has numbers on the bottom left of it - I can't clearly make it out, but I couldn't match the digits I could read with anything. It looks like ???47407368.

There's a picture of the llama costume, but I don't think it is directly saying the mole would have had to wear it.