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Reader234
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08-13-2000

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 5:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Chy, and others I just realized, the thread for spoilers are for geniune spoilers, like a myspace account that was accessed by a contestant, or by a specific confirmed sighting...

Those are clues that I try not to discuss in the "speculation" thread -

However, when I find clues, that I have no idea are they clues for "real" "red herrings"? Could they be clues to who is going home that week, or who is "the Mole"? Those are things I tend to post and discuss in the speculation thread...

Here, I just talk of my observations on the show that has been aired (and I will wait a day out of respect to our West Coasters)

I like it around the TVCH -

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 7:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
no need to wait for westcoasters :-) the ones that are here on show nites like to read what you have to say as show is on. The ones that dont wont come to the threads until after show

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 4:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I have always loved the Mole, the premise is great. I don't really like this cast and because they aren't adding anything truly interesting to the show I fear we will not get another Mole, too bad because this show on paper sounds so great!

Moderator
Moderator

06-30-2002

Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Moderator a private message Print Post    
Hey folks, we moved a few posts from here to the General Discussion, Clues and Speculation thread as they contained quite a bit of speculation.

No worries though. Just wanted you to know where to find them if you are
looking.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure there's any point in having a thread where you talk about the mole but can't speculate. LOL. I don't think those of us who don't want to talk clues will have anywhere to talk! I don't go into the "clues" thread because I don't want to dissect the show frame by frame looking for numbers, colors, clues. I don't want to read those kinds of details. But guessing who I think the mole is by their behavior seems reasonable to me. But what do I know.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
????

I think it ought to be alright to talk about what they did, keeping track of who spoke Spanish or who made money towards the Pot shan't be spoilish or even speculating. Those are facts. And as a person with a few brain cells, I gave my reactive thoughts, that's all. No clue, no wild speculations.
This is why I kept asking where should I put these thoughts. I don't even want to know the 128394 rjhfb sej(These are made believe) type of clues! I don't even want to be in the thread with clues.

So that means I will have no threads to be in???? I just wanted to talk about the show!

This is enough to make a person want to take the ball and go home.

Reader234
Member

08-13-2000

Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 6:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Chy and Brenda, I think Kitt and I are trying to keep clues in the clue only thread - we do bring some here tho - but mostly specific hidden screen capped clues are going in the clue or spoiler only areas (and no discussion)

so we have to discuss it somewhere....

I know a poster was upset when there was speculation in the discussion only thread...

so in light of this, I guess we should ask the mods for a thread for each week's show, and we can feel free to discuss what we see on the show? speculate here???

Mods - I do NOT envy you your job!! Just please, make everyone happy, and do it "my" way!! j/k ya know!! (but I'm sure it must feel that way at times - when does BB begin? ;)

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
EW wrote about how boring this show is, I wont be surprised when ABC yanks it

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 8:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I agree Chy. No where for us to discuss this. My post moved to a thread I won't go near. I want to speculate based on the behaviors on the show. But I don't want to know about cryptic clues. I won't go into that thread at all. So, where am I to go if I want to say "I don't think X is the mole because the mole would never be so obvious"?

I just want to avoid the "clue" stuff. I don't care if someone says "I think so-and-so might be the mole because they messed up this task".

What are we supposed to discuss here? I guess I can say that I was glad the under wear the girls were given was not ultra skimpy. LOL.

Cokegirl
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03-08-2004

Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 2:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cokegirl a private message Print Post    
Posting the ratings for Monday night. Its not doing so well. We seem to live for Monday night at our house. Its the only show on right now that we all watch!

CBS took over at 10 p.m. thanks to "CSI: Miami," 5.5/10. NBC finished second with "Nashville Star," 4.0/7, and a half-hour of "Dateline," 3.1/6. "The Mole" posted a 2.7/5 for ABC

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings061608,0,2515596.story

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
Mondays are a busy night at our house -- Big Bang, How I Met your Mother, Two and a Half Men, AND The Mole. The rest of the week - nuttin'!

Charlottesmom
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01-03-2008

Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Charlottesmom a private message Print Post    
Pamy that floors me! I have always loved this show. For me, something like the bachelor or wipeout is boring to me! You don't need any intellect to follow a show like that. This show challenges me and that is why I love it.

Reader234
Member

08-13-2000

Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 8:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
They are just not promoting the show - How many promotions have y'all seen of the Japan Reality/game show? Every time I flip channels, I think - oh, is it finally on?? Nope, just another promo for it!!

If only they would do that for the Mole!

Jimmer
Moderator

08-30-2000

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 6:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I find it really distressing and annoying how the networks almost deliberately set some shows up to fail. The lack of promotion and the late time slot are show killers. Plus I think people just don't understand the concept of the show.

This is such a great show. It is a show that the entire family could have watched, kids through adults. My little girls love the show (we record it for them). One of their first comments was it is a little like the Amazing Race because we get to see places outside of North America. It is a show that makes you think and it is fun.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 7:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I wonder if it is the complexity of the game that turns people off, not to offend anyone and I certainly don't risk offending our posters here who love the show, but some people may be too impatient to follow this game and they're used to other reality shows where there isn't much thinking going on and they're just happy to see how bad it ends for many players...

I think the Mole is a game apart, meant for the "smarter" audience and I'm afraid we're in the minority...
Let's enjoy it while it lasts..

Jimmer
Moderator

08-30-2000

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 8:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
It is definitely a show that requires some concentration to watch, though as I mentioned it can be enjoyed on many levels.

At the risk of offending non-Lost fans who happen to be fans of The Mole, I think of The Mole as sort of the reality cousin to the ABC drama "Lost". Lost is also a show that is filled with clues and intrigue. People either seem to love it or feel that it is too complex and deep for enjoyable TV viewing.

Charlottesmom
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01-03-2008

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Charlottesmom a private message Print Post    
Once again Spunky, ITA. IMO the reason the show isn't popular is because one has to think to follow it!

Redhawk
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05-23-2007

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redhawk a private message Print Post    
Does anyone have any idea what the Mole receives for their role in the game? Do you suppose he/she receive the mission money they cause to be lost? It doesn’t seem like it would be a flat fee. What about incentives? Seems like the winner usually receives in the range of $250k. Wouldn't the Moles deserve as much?

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
The first season Mole had a flat rate as far as I remember. The mole is sometimes asked by producers to NOT remove money from the pot, either to make the game better (like the players have lost the last few challenges) or to deflect suspicion from themselves. I think having their pay connected to the pot money might make it difficult for the mole to play in a way that makes the show more interesting overall. It's no good if the Mole makes $500,000 but everyone knows who it is by week two. I'm waffling, but hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say!

Charlottesmom
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01-03-2008

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Charlottesmom a private message Print Post    
Is it ok to post (as a quote) theories from other boards?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Hi Charlottesmom!

We have re-titled the threads. To answer your question, it is fine to post other theories you've read elsewhere in this thread as long as the theory is based on something that isn't what we call a "Producer Clue" (something the contestants couldn't have seen themselves that the show producers added for the viewers only - like text in the introduction or something that couldn't be seen without slow motion or freeze frame). We have another thread for that discussion.

Hope that helps.

Charlottesmom
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01-03-2008

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Charlottesmom a private message Print Post    
Thank you Jimmer!!! You have done a fantastic job :-)

Charlottesmom
Member

01-03-2008

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 12:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Charlottesmom a private message Print Post    
I found this at Fans of Reality TV and I like it so I thought I would post it here. The thread is entitled "How does a mole act."


quote:

The mole does not want to be a leader or the outcast--at least early on because he does not want to stand out.
He wants to blend in well with the others, this way little to no attention is shed his way. Being sociable is very important and trying to keep his finger in every pie to be "in the know" is also important, but never to the point of standing out.
It is important to have a good sense of the other players, how to effectively plant seeds and paranoia without having those things lead back to yourself.
It's great if the mole can form a coalition with another person and develop a good working relationship with them. This way you have someone else working with you(but not knowing you are the mole) and you can use them to run interference for yourself while at the same time use them to get their take on how others are thinking.




also:


quote:

In the beginning, the mole can kind of sit back and watch the "circus" and how everyone is jockeying for position.
There are so many people trying to look moleish, that it can make the mole's job easy in the beginning. This is a great time to take advantage and cast doubt on these players.
At the same time, the mole gets a great opportunity to assess the strengths and weaknesses of the other players and if someone might make a good coalition partner.
It's easier to get away with sabatage in the beginning, but if you can make another person be the one to sabatage without him even realizing it, that's even better





Based on this "theory" I would say Clay and Craig fit the bill perfectly. IMO of course!

How Does a Mole Act

<added link - JR>

Chy
Member

07-19-2003

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Those are good insights, thanks C'smom!

If you look at who blends in well, Paul and Nicole are not Mole material. But what if they'd(Mole & the producer in charge of Mole) thought about it and decided to act that way?

Lycan, I don't know if you come here, but I mentioned your connection between Mole Sauce and chocolate massage at Sucks and gave you credits. Hope that's okay?

BTW, if we're quoting others' exact post, are we supposed to give credit where it's due? (I don't know, I probably have hanged with that Survivor Spoiler Community too long. Just feels funny to C&P others directly w/o mentioning poster's name. No link needed since we all know how to find that ForT ourselves.)

Charlottesmom
Member

01-03-2008

Friday, June 20, 2008 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Charlottesmom a private message Print Post    
Good point Chy but Jimmer said I could post theories from other sites but did not say I had to give credit to the original poster (I DID name the site and thread where it came from) Guess you can't please all the people all the time..... I am going to take my lead from the moderator. Things just got settled here and I am not going to nitpick everything that gets posted if it is the right way or wrong way. Jimmer has laid out the threads and rules for the threads and I am going to stick with that :-)

ETA: I know what you mean about Paul and Nicole, IMO they are the antithesis of blending in well, lol!