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Sugar
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08-15-2000

Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 11:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sugar a private message Print Post    
My guess, Victoria is the mole.

Cokegirl
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03-08-2004

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 12:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cokegirl a private message Print Post    
I think it will be hard not to talk about who we think the mole is. It is a big part of the game/show. In all honest, I think all of our opinions will change quite a bit depending on the clues we think we found. Mine will probably change 12 different times. Oops! Make that 11 since 1 is gone. LOL
BTW I think the mole is Bobby....just for now!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 5:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Just to help with understanding this, here is the "official" TVCH definition of a spoiler.

Spoiler Rules at TVCH

Spoilers are not allowed at TVCH, except in designated threads specifically for Spoilers or when a Spoiler Box is used.


What is not a Spoiler?

Any information aired on TV during the East Coast showing of the show is not a spoiler, provided that the information is posted in the show's thread. For example, we don't post information about Survivor in Grey's Anatomy threads and vice versa.

Any information that is widely available from an official network media source is not considered a spoiler. That would include TV listings, TIVO listings and TV previews shown for next week.

Purely speculating about what will happen based on what has previously been broadcast is not the same as spoiling. It is fine to speculate about what will happen on a show. To avoid any confusion or misunderstanding it may help to state that you are speculating and not spoiling.


What is a Spoiler?

Anything else not mentioned above is considered a spoiler.

For news articles or spoilers about a show, many shows have separate threads for just this purpose. We would appreciate keeping conversations about news articles (for example reports about actors leaving or contract negotiations) or other spoilers in these spoiler designated threads. For shows that don't have their own thread for such items, please try to put such items in spoiler boxes unless or until it becomes obvious that the news is so widely reported that it's impossible to avoid.


So really nothing we see on the show or even on the website would normally be considered a spoiler at TVCH. Someone hearing a rumor from another source that someone won would be spoiler. However, figuring out who the Mole is from what we see on the show is not spoiling (in the way we normally think of spoiling at TVCH).

The only reason I mention this is it's really hard to differentiate between the threads we're thinking of setting up. I suppose we could have a vague general thread for talking about the show in general (who our favorites are and so on) but the main part of the show is all about the clues and figuring out who the Mole is?

So suggestions are welcome. It's best if we can be clear so we don't get into a situation where we are arguing about things being in the wrong thread. Because, of course, we don't do that sort of thing at TVCH.

Roxibalboa
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08-15-2004

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 6:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxibalboa a private message Print Post    
I tried reading every post but way too many. Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, and I also don't know that this means anything. The first thing I noticed was in the beginning credits of the show. THe word "tracking" pops up on screen, and very very quickly, the word turns into "vigilance" and back to "tracking" before you can even read it. I slowed it down, and then added " vigilance starts with Vi, the Mole is Victoria" and my husband cracked up laughing and said I was nuts. I told him just wait, before this show is over I will far more nuts!!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 6:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'll ramble on some more here because I don't want anyone to think that I'm not hearing them.

We could have a separate thread for "tougher less obvious clues" but again that is hard to differentiate. What may be a tough clue for one person to see might be easily seen by someone else. It's amazing how different people can watch the same show and notice different things. So what is a tough clue?

We talked about slowing or freeze frames and I guess we could keep that in a separate thread but again some people are exceptionally good at spotting things quickly at higher speeds.

How about things where people have figured something out and posted it on another site. Again, once you start reading a bunch of sites, it's easy to lose track of where ideas originally came from (a frequent trap of some people accused of plagiarism). Plus as long as the people figured it out from what they saw on TV (and weren't spoiled by some insider for example) then it is something we all could have seen as well.

The last thing I'll mention (LOL – at least for the moment) is that we normally don't discuss these sorts of things (what should go in what thread) in a show thread as it distracts from the main purpose of the thread which is discussing the show itself. We're still in the first week of viewing so I think it's okay if we toss around a few ideas about this right now, but we probably won't want to discuss it for too long.

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I love it Roxibalboa!

That is what is so much fun about this show. It makes me crazy sometimes when I go looking for every little clue. I've been watching it with my little girls (8 & 6) and they are very much into it. I was LOL when one of them kept saying, "Don't bring back the vacuum. Why bring back a fan!?!?!?!? Only the Mole would do that!!!"

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 6:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
I love when JImmer Rambles!

Lycanthrope
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09-19-2002

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lycanthrope a private message Print Post    
I think it's a pretty safe bet that unless the Mole completely outs himself/herself, we'll be discussing the identity via clues all season long. If the Mods make two or more threads regarding the show, I'll be in the "figuring out the Mole" thread almost exclusively. That's the fun part of the show for me...

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 7:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
I love when Jimmer rambles and does charts and banners!!!



Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I agree we should have a "Who do YOU think is the Mole?" thread. Speculating, and thinking you see clues (where you may not) is half the fun of this show. I never did guess who the Mole was last time (it was that girl, yes?).

There are some who I think would make a good Mole until I look at their physical abilities. Like the tall skinny guy who couldn't run. Now him, I think, could've been faking it.

Right now, I think the Mole is someone who did NOT get their bag on the falls jump. :-)

Lycanthrope
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09-19-2002

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 7:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lycanthrope a private message Print Post    
The first Mole was the female lawyer, the 2nd Mole was Bill the retired admiral. I can't remember the celebrity Moles, I just remember one of them was a model, and Bernsen was pretty entertaining...

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
There is nothing to spoil...everyone who comes here either has seen the show or has a faint or strong idea who the mole is but these are not spoilers... if they come here and haven't seen the show yet it's their choice and won't be getting any spoilers since nothing is sure till the last revealing show.

If there is another board just for clues what will be the point of this one... everyone will keep that one going... I am for one board only where I can have the full discussion as I'm sure I will skip the one where the clues are not discussed. I like to read about the clues because I'm sure I keep missing them on the show, you're all so much smarter and it's nice to see what I'm missing... I'm still convinced it's Clay..

Madelane
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08-20-2001

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Madelane a private message Print Post    
I agree with Spunky and others who don't need a separate thread. The whole point of the show is speculating and looking for clues. What would we discuss here if not who do we think the mole is?

If the fingerprint on Victoria's helmet turns out to be a clue and she is the mole, then it's the show's fault for such an obvious clue and not a poster's fault for simply pointing it out.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I wouldn't mind trying two separate threads, one for clue discussion and one with no clue discussion. If the thread with no clue discussion is only used by one or two people, it will just die a natural death and nothing will be lost by its existence.

I seem to recall that in season 2 when Bill was the Mole that people had figured that out via the clues and it was kept as a spoiler and I had a choice to go read it or not read it. But my memory is not that great. LOL.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
No separate thread'in... Obviously, there are clues showing how anyone could be the Mole, with the exception of Mark, who as Ketchup pointed out is from Wisconsin and, therefore, cannot be the Mole (or the winner).


Kitt
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09-06-2000

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I can't see it working if there's a thread for general discussion where you can't mention clues/possible clues and you have to switch to a second thread whenever you want to speculate on clues. It might work if there are two similar parallel threads for show discussion, one for the people who don't want clues and one for people who like the clues. Doesn't seem very friendly though - but at least the non-clue people would have a place to share their thoughts without risking seeing something they don't want to see. I'm sure clue people would add to it too.

And as Jimmer said, obvious/non-obvious clues are hard to define, so any categorisation of clues would be difficult. That helmet clue, if a real clue, was really obvious if you noticed it, but I didn't at all while watching the first time.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
<wave> Jimmer - I appreciate your discussion!!

I know sometimes I put stuff in the spoiler box that "technically" isnt a spoiler, but I tend to err on the side of caution (being that I've been around from some "intense" spoiler discussion, prior to the now Spoiler Definition!!

Anyway, over on the Hell's Kitchen thread, there is a spoiler area that has maybe 2 posts for a long time, now it may be up to 9 but its not really spoiler stuff...

On other boards there is a "screen cap only thread" no discussions.

a Media thread, so if you find info from another source, you can post it there -

I of course get confused on where to put stuff - one instance (I may have posted this here in a spoiler box) was a myspace sighting of a contestant - I thought I put it in the right thread, it got moved to media????

I do tend to get confused!!

I agree with others that think the whole point of The Mole is speculating - on what is or what isnt a clue - now if there is an online betting outlet that has 75% bets for ONE contestant - I would call that a spoiler (maybe that would be a media thread spoiler?)

So far, none of that has surfaced... on the Bachelor and Survivor the spoilers come from analyzing screen caps - and now The Mole (esp at FORT btw) I like to bring it here for discussion because I tend to "know" posters here... but screen cap discussions can be considered spoilers - (esp at Survivor and Bachelorette, when a cap is screened to show who is in the episode, thus spoiling who is 'gone' and that could happen at The Mole also )

I tend to talk too much and make perfect sense in my own mind..

Charlottesmom
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01-03-2008

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Charlottesmom a private message Print Post    
Thanks Jimmer for your clarification!

At the moment, I think the mole is Mark (sorry Ketchup!) Well, I mean I am going to keep a close eye on him next week, ha!

Carlpsmom
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01-03-2004

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carlpsmom a private message Print Post    
My first season for watching this. Looks interesting!

Dipo
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04-23-2002

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dipo a private message Print Post    
I vote for one thread, otherwise I will have to read both and will not be sure where I can post anything.

I do think a big part of the show is trying to figure out the clues, or lack of clues, and who is the Mole. So far it sounds like half the participants are the "mole" to someone, so I don't think that is a spoiler.

Bob2112
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06-12-2002

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bob2112 a private message Print Post    
The only thing that I could see needing another thread (or at least a spoiler box)would be spoiler information that was leaked from the production crew or someone closely related to filming or editing. Even if the final winner and mole reveal are done live, many people already know who the final 3 are and it has nothing to do with reading clues. This happens all the time on TAR and Survivor, so I won't be surprised if it pops up with the Mole.

I don't really care because I would read both threads anyway and also the spoiler boxes.


Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 3:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
Thanks for the discussion - majority wants one thread, so I'll be forewarned if I read here. :-)

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 6:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I was thinking more along the lines of how the Lost thread is set up. There's a very specific thread for spoilers/speculation...

Jimmer
Moderator

08-30-2000

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 6:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
It's easy to setup a separate thread for spoilers if there are enough spoilers to warrant it. However, we haven't even had any spoilers for The Mole in this thread. If we do have any, people should put them in spoiler boxes.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 7:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, dude... spoilers and SPECULATION. :-)

Charlottesmom
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01-03-2008

Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 7:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Charlottesmom a private message Print Post    
LOL Teach, you started it, pfffttt! :-)

I would like a separate thread for what ketchuplover thinks

WOOT!