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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Monday, February 25, 2008 - 6:16 pm
I think the point that Dr. Drew was trying to make was that "adult entertainment" (stripping would fall into that) is so demeaning to women. It makes them objects for men's entertainment and really does strip away self-esteem. Women who have been in that industry for a long time typically have a problem with understanding appropriate boundaries, since there are none in porn. That's why Mary shouldn't be stripping, even though it might pay well. Poor girl probably doesn't know how else to make money.
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Lancecrossfire
Animoderator
07-13-2000
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 8:33 pm
This was a tough show last night. They pull no punches that things aren't going as they hoped, and pull no punches in the interactions with staff and inmates. There is a philosophy I've felt for a long time and these people magnify it a lot--there is always some reason people can find NOT to do something that should be done. They can buy into the fact the path they were on previously is bad for them, but they look for reasons to stay on the same path. In Chyna's case, denial will be her death. In Jessica's case, she has become her mom--the person she feels made all the wrong choices--yet she is her mom. maybe it's easier to hate yourself than l;ike yourself? That way you can't let yourself down.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 1:16 pm
I get such sinking feeling in my heart watching these people. I think Jessica does not realize she has become her mom. She just isn't at the point where she can see her mom had a disease. I don't know that she realizes it is a disease for her either. Brigitte is the only one I feel has somewhat got it, it being reality that she has a disease and must never give in to it again. I thought they would go to an outward bound program this week. Comcast had that on my info. for the other night's show.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 1:21 pm
I think Brigitte is the only one who "got it" as well. She is friends with Chyna, and I hope she is able to bring her along. Chyna has a lot of baggage, but seems like a really sweet person.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Monday, March 03, 2008 - 9:39 am
I just this morning saw an article where Jeff says he is sober, drug free and owes it all to Scientology.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, March 03, 2008 - 12:14 pm
I have heard several people mention that Scientology helped with their addiction. I think Priscilla Presley took her daughter there (why have i gone blank on her name?? LOL) as goofy as they seem, if they can help someone like jeff stay sober then i say 'good for them'.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Monday, March 03, 2008 - 12:28 pm
Dr. Drew was on The View this morning, and said everyone is continuing with treatment, so that's good news. He also mentioned that in a week they would be broadcasting a reunion show so we could see how they were doing.
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Gumby
Member
08-14-2004
| Monday, March 03, 2008 - 12:28 pm
Tex, is it Lisa Marie?
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Monday, March 03, 2008 - 12:58 pm
Tex, if I remember later I will take a look for the statistics but I can't let Scientology get credit for ANYTHING. LOL The statistics on their rehab program are way below mainstream methods. As with most things they do.... the treatment celebs get is probably WAY different then Joe and Joanne Average.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Monday, March 03, 2008 - 1:24 pm
He can't give ALL the credit to Scientology and be honest at the same time. He went through his withdrawl via Dr. Drew's program. I also wonder whether he was recruited for the program due to his open history of drug abuse. Regardless of how he got on the program, he owes Dr. Drew more than anyone else. Well, unless Scientologists came knocking on his door BEFORE he got onto the Celebrity Rehab show and they were his impetus for signing up...then I'll give them a few bonus points.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, March 03, 2008 - 1:37 pm
yes, Lisa Marie!!! Thanks.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Monday, March 03, 2008 - 3:26 pm
I'm pretty sure I heard Dr. Drew say that they were alll paid for going thru the tv program rehab, so that may have been part of the motivation for them.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 1:24 am
Scientology wouldn't have encouraged him to sign up for the show. They are basically out to destroy psychiatry. I just finished reading the new bio of Tom Cruise and there is plenty about Scientology in there. The article also mentioned Jeff having "handlers" which is common. Several people who have had meds withheld at the insistence of Scientology have come to bad ends, either suicide or homicide and from watching this show, I'd say Jeff is at high risk. I agree that Brigitte gets it the most of all of them, but I think she came into this getting it more, and then she took more out of it too.
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Snuffles
Member
07-17-2005
| Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 10:55 am
Brigitte has said that she, Seth and Rico were the only ones who stayed sober since they've left rehab. Dr. Drew says they are all currently working on their sobriety which doesn't mean they've been sober since they left.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 11:49 am
Well, from what I understand, sobriety is a process. That's why they say "One day at a time." For most people that I've known, it takes several tries to stay sober. It's very common for people to "slip" when they're trying to get sober. They just have to start over the next day. I've know people who were sober for years and years, when they decided they were okay and could have a drink. Had to start all over again. I do love how they describe the addict as having a "broken brain." That is really so true! There is something in there that makes them unable to control their drinking, etc., like a normal person. It really clarifies that addiction is not a moral issue, but a real physical issue.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 12:38 pm
<<Scientology wouldn't have encouraged him to sign up for the show. They are basically out to destroy psychiatry. I just finished reading the new bio of Tom Cruise and there is plenty about Scientology in there.>> Hadn't put that together, Sea. I'm sure you are absolutely right about that!
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 12:59 pm
but to be fair, Scientology's addiction recovery program is being used by many non-member organizations and it has a good reputation. There was a big stink not too long ago about a bunch of protestant priests using parts of the scientology program in their parish recovery programs.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 5:43 pm
Who wants to be fair? Sorry, I just can't stomach anything I read about them.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 7:52 pm
Lady, I think that isn't clear cut. Many people consider the Narconon organization to be a cult like entity. Don't know about other groups using the same program or not, but Narconon has been listed as and considered a cult by many, for a long long time. I really suspect that the reason for Scientology scooping up Jeff is specifically to discredit mainstream psychiatry (and Dr Drew in the process). That would please them very much. Scientology charcterizes psychiatry as "an industry of deat, calling psychiatrists the most dangerous people on the plante, responsible for the Nazi Holocaust, Stalin's gulags and 9/11. This per their exhibit in Los Angeles. Hopefully they will give Jeff more than vitamins.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 8:49 pm
Their *rehab* consists of saunas and massive amounts of vitamins. They claim a 70% success rate but refuse to release any documentation to back it up. Mainstream addiction experts generally agree that anything over 30% success would have the entire industry doing a lot of jumping up and down and hooping and hollering. It would be BIG, MASSIVE news if anyone was getting results like what they claim. Sorry but ITA with Huk, "I just can't stomach anything I read about them
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Friday, March 07, 2008 - 9:38 am
I am so proud of Mary and Jessica for going directly into the rehab after care program! I was so worried that Mary wouldn't go when she obviously needs it. I'm not sure about China, whether she truly understands her addictions. I hope she does follow through with therapy. Brigitte looked and sounded amazing! I think she'll do great! It was a good final show! 
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Dannysgirl
Member
08-09-2007
| Friday, March 07, 2008 - 12:12 pm
Vacanick - did you see they're doing a reunion show next week? I do know that Jessica didn't do well because she was arrested for drunk driving a few months ago. 
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Friday, March 07, 2008 - 1:43 pm
I didn't see that there is going to be a reunion show. I'll have to watch. Very sad about Jessica. She's such a sad soul! 
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Friday, March 07, 2008 - 6:48 pm
Just watched. Reunion show is next Thursday the 13th at 10. They said it was filmed 6 months after graduation.
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Friday, March 07, 2008 - 9:06 pm
Jessica did slip after she went home to Florida, she also assaulted a police officer. She had a court date which she showed up to with Dr. Drew, and with his help, the judge sentenced her to enter a 1 yr rehab program, where she is apparently doing very well. I've seen Dr Drew on a couple of programs recently where he has discussed this.
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