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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 10:08 pm
Dogdoc.. that famous song..
Pugs Just Wanna Have Fun
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 10:17 pm
I was sad to see Galaxy go, too. I thought it was a combo of his attitude and the judges' agenda that send him home. And I was appalled to hear the recommendation for so much dog washing!! YIKES.. as a lab breeder and exihitor we of course did bathe them from time to time but really, that leads to fluffy, incorrect coats, since they have a wonderful water resistant top coat.. A lab with a proper lab coat can even swim and sometimes not be wet to the skin (and trying to get water to the skin can be problemmatic at times) and anyone showing under a judge from the UK had better not show up with a fluffy, scented, too trimmed up lab! Anyway I love Presley and Travis, so woohoo!
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Riviere
Member
09-09-2000
| Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 12:29 am
Hope this shw is never repeated...
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 3:53 am
I was glad Presley won too. I was also shocked at the dog washing response. I also only bathe my dog a couple times a year and she has a beautiful coat. I would think so much washing could dry out the skin. I don't like my dog's coat right after a bath. I agree it gets too fluffy. I also think the judges wanted someone with the same training ideas as they have yet I also agree with training this way so it was ok with me. :o) I loved Andrew and Laurie but agreed that Andrew was a bit too concerned with being WITH her. I did have to laugh at when she was trying to get him to stay while she was outside that the second Andrew couldn't see her he ran to the door.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 5:08 am
I have a short haired mixed breed dog. I bathe her once a year. If a pet has seborrhea or pyoderma it may require frequent bathing. Feeding a good, all natural diet will make a dogs skin and hair naturally healthy.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 12:54 pm
Oh and yes, if you keep washing a lab you lose the proper water-resistance that is one key feature of a dog bred for hunting and swimming. That's why they have a tail that is straight and ottertail shaped that is used as a rudder when swimming (so cool to see them flip the tail/rudder when they turn while swimming) and they have webbed paws. Even a pet lab LOVES to swim and they don't need a fluffy coat. The British judges used to come over and tell us our dogs should be able to go from field to show rign with a quick brush-up. And they got us to stop cutting off the whiskers (when are actually sensory organs.. And yep.. dandruff is all to easy to create on a shiney black dog. I have to admit I hope they don't repeat this show. I mean, making the dogs walk under an elephant? All too often a trainer can have an elephant turn on them, but at least that is their JOB, their choice. There is NO way, short of a life or death situation, I'd send anyone I loved, including a trusting pet, into that sort of situation.
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Kizz
Member
07-26-2001
| Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 4:27 pm
I just wanted to say I loved all the dogs (if not all the owners), but I think the winning dog will be doing a lot of PR, etc (which is a good thing)...and they were going to need a good looking young woman or man ALONG with a cute dog to pull that off. It was just a bonus that Travis and Presley had a good relationship and Travis worked so hard to get that pup up to speed. I loved Andrew, but his attachment to Laurie was a potential problem for going out on the road and people wanting to interact with him...his disinterest in anyone who wasn't Laurie was evident. I was a little surprised to read he's a therapy dog.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 5:08 pm
Travis and Presley can come to my home town any time.
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, September 12, 2008 - 6:57 am
Bathing once a year. hmmmmm
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, September 12, 2008 - 8:23 am
Laurie aka Andrew's owner is posting over at sucks.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, September 12, 2008 - 8:34 am
I finally got caught up, and I'm glad that Travis and Presley won. I thought the two of them had one of the best relationships of human to dog on this show (Bill and Star were the others). I think Travis was eloquent during his final interview, and Presley just has such a joy about him. I know he's still a puppy, and part of it is his boxer smoosh face, but he's such a happy dog and they have such a great relationship. I thought Laurie was too full of herself (it was her way or the highway). While Andrew did awesome for such a tiny dog, his relationship with Laurie creeped me out. And she never let him be a DOG! (While the others would play with their dogs, she'd sit with him in her lap, or groom him.) I hadn't liked Laurie and her attitude for some time, so was glad to see her out at second place. Galaxy is a beautiful dog and very well trained. Almost like a hunting dog trained... very specific and always in control. While I didn't like JD's attitude (he so thought he would win), he did a good job with Galaxy. While I may not agree always with some of his training methods (and I don't agree with some of Laurie's either), it worked with Galaxy. She seemed to love playing Frisbee and jumping into JD's arms. She did lack, however, the pure joy that Presley showed.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Friday, September 12, 2008 - 12:34 pm
Ketchup. what is "sucks"? One thing I have to say about the people complaining last week about Laurie having a "stern, cold, arms crossed" stance (and should have been seen to be just as threatening as JD - When I saw the replay of Laurie before the last show, I didn't see her as threatening. She was very relaxed, even with arms crossed. She wasn't staring down Andrew with a finger pointed at him. And Andrew wasn't tense and staring at Laurie like Galaxy was with JD. He actually yawned a few times. So I don't believe that Laurie used any "fear training". But I too, was troubled that Andrew had such an attachment to her. A pet like that is no fun for anyone else. A friendly, social pup is a dog I'd like to meet.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Friday, September 12, 2008 - 3:32 pm
"Sucks" is the Survivor Sucks forum. It is very, very raunchy.
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 7:57 am
I don't know what I am talking about, but maybe the excessive washing is from a person who has never had anything but a show dog? I had a border collie and I didn't wash her much, but I sure as heck brushed her frequently, all those 4 coats kept her body clean and I hated seeing her tremble when I washed her. My now dog is a hunting dog that grooms herself like a cat, she will lick her paws and clean her forhead and is very wiry and active in escaping baths. I take her in the enclosed shower, if I can catch her when my nephews (allergic) are visiting, i.e. twice a year. I do wash the feet a lot, when we come back from the dog run (disease and dirt) or in the winter (chemicals) or if they wander onto a treated lawn. I keep washcloths by the kitchen door.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 1:28 pm
My labs were show dogs, and yes, we did brush them and many people did bathe them, but as more judges were brought in from the UK we learned not to destroy their proper coats (those that had proper coats.. the trend even back then was toward fluffy yellow coats). The washing was brought up by the judges... maybe they were implying that Galaxy was dirty or just wanted to stab at J.D., who wasn't toeing their line? Galaxy looked to be glowing and healthy and seems like if there was an odor or problem, one of the others would have mentioned it, living in close quarters like they did.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 7:39 am
I actually didn't hear the judges say that (but then, I never hear anything, since I'm hearing impaired and depend on closed captioning). Did the judges really reprimand JD for washing Galaxy? I've also "heard" from most dog trainers, that washing too frequently is unnecessary and damages the skin. One thing I did not like about JD, besides whatever anyone else is saying about him, is that he DID seem threatening to me. With Galaxy, he was always leaning forward, with a stern look on his face, and a finger pointed at his dog. Like I said about Laurie, her stance (arms crossed) may have been interpreted as threatening, I did not find it so at all. She looked very relaxed. So did Andrew (like I said, he even yawned a few times!) I've never had dogs, only worked around them: was it really necessary for Laurie to be bathing Andrew so much? I thought for a showdog, and with his white fur, it might be merited, but then again, I've heard people should NOT bathe so much. So what is right for a Bichon? Dogdoc? 
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 7:42 am
Haha, I meant people ahould not bathe their dogs so much.
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Gallaleo
Member
09-17-2006
| Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 10:48 am
I was floored when the said JD should bathe Galaxy once a month. I have a dog that looks a lot like Galaxy, plays in the water all the time but I also only bathe her a couple of times a year. But she does get brushed regular which I think is more important. I also have smaller dogs like Andrew that get bathe at least every other month, their hair is long and needs grooming. And none of my dogs smell!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 12:47 pm
My golden used to go swimming in the ocean. So I'd bathe her after every outing, just to get the salt water and sand off of her skin. Oh, yeah, and the one time she had an up close and personal with a skunk. Other than that, she got brushed often. I had a Norwegian Elkhound who would get bathed once a month or so. She was a gorgeous dog, but the oils she'd secret (to make her "weatherproof") would attract and hold dust and dirt. And I never bathe my cats! 
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 1:46 pm
Lol, Costacat...my cats would freak if I tried to bathe them. I actually had to bathe my older cat once or twice, when she'd gotten into things she wasn't supposed to. I didn't want her to lick things off her fur that could make her sick. But, boy, did she hate it. Also, Costa, I mentioned that I worked in a dog-grooming shop....I can't tell you the number of times I encountered skunky, tomato-red dogs. Their owners believed in that old wives tale - to bathe in tomato juice if you get sprayed by a skunk. Doesn't work, certainly not on dogs. For some reason, the breed that came in most often for a skunk encounter were Westies. They seem to go right after skunks. And like I said, they'd come in red, poor things. Can't imagine what the acid in the juice would have been like for them. Most often we could get most of the skunk smell out (you can't completely get rid of it as once, it takes time), but they went home still red.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 2:39 pm
Our little dog, a mixed terrier of some sort, encountered a skunk once.. I was in HS, my brother a bit younger and my parents were out of town for the funeral of my dad's aunt, so we were on our own. The dog woke my brother up and he let him out in the yard in the middle of the night, nothing unusual about that, but he camed back in in full skunksmell and darted to my brother's bedroom. Of course I got a knock on my door and there we were.. poor dog got locked in a small bathroom until morning (3 more hours) and we called my mom's best friend and she told us about tomato juice and.. cannot remember the other ingredient, had to be both, we were told. So when we got back from school, he got bathed. And it did seem to help, of course we rinsed him well and he wasn't red, thankfully, but he was a brown/tan little dog, not white. The house.. my brother's room was unbearable.. he tried spraying Rite Guard deodorant but ended up sleeping in the family room with fans going and the slider open. === We did rinse our dogs off or hose them down after salt water or muddy water swimming. My cat has been bathed twice that I know of, both times when she was boarded and they insisted on a dip/bath, which she didn't need. That was years ago. Lots of brushing (we love our FURminator).
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 3:14 pm
Costa has been bathed once (when I brought him home from a shelter). And he took himself for a bath once (when we were at a neighbor's and he jumped on the toilet but someone left the seat AND lid up and he was NOT happy!). Kassie has been bathed once (when I brought her home). And I can't spell... I meant "secrete" not "secret"! My elkhound got skunked once. I can't remember what we used on her but it worked. Until... I was sunbathing in the backyard and she decided to come lay down next to me, and the sun baking that black coat. Peee-yeeewwww!!! She got another bath and I stayed outta the sun! (We used to have tons of skunks at my ex-fiancee's house... they loved to eat the corn we grew!)
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 3:37 pm
My daughter recently told me something that happened 25 years ago when she was a teen. She was home alone and got tired of opening and reopening the door for the cats to go in and out so she left the door opened. After a while she noticed an extra "cat" in the living room. A skunk was just sitting there looking at her. She slowly got up, got some cookies and made a trail to the door on the floor. The skunk loved the cookies and savored each one so it took a while, but eventually she got it out the door. I'm glad she kept her wits about her because I don't think tomato juice would have helped the furniture. That's just one reason that all of her cats now are indoor only cats.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 3:41 pm
Wow your daughter was so resourceful with the skunk. My mom felt bad that the skunking happened when we were on our own, and I think probably most nights, my dad would let the dog out before they went to bed, so maybe he usually could wait until morning to go out. Not sure.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 3:58 pm
Jodie, the judge complained because JD said he did not bathe Galaxy a lot. My dog is short haired and gets a yearly bath. The bichon hair is soft. A once monthly bath should suffice.The producers wanted to show Andrew suffering through a bathe while Galaxy and Presley played. I laughed when Laurie told Andrew that God made him white. Breeders made him white. I think most of the time Laurie did have a stern look on her face. I was intimidated.
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