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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, June 06, 2008 - 6:33 pm
Here is a thread just for listing out clues that we have spotted so they are all in one place and easy to see. We can discuss these clues in the General Discussion, Clues and Speculation thread.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, June 06, 2008 - 6:57 pm
Are these clues? or are we speculating these are clues? This post from michele0214 on the ABC boards intrigued me: "In the Robinson Crusoe game when the teams were bringing items to the appraisers someone was holding what looked like a box. The camera zoomed in very quicky on the so called box. I freezed the pictured and noticed it said "Trinks Brunsviga". I googled this and found out that it was a GERMAN company that made old calculators. In the beginning of the show when Jon Kelley was talking about the falls he mentioned that "GERMAN tourists fell to their death at the falls". Hmm I think there is definately a tie in somewhere!" The German element was even puntuated by Jon Kelley saying the tourists went "KAPUT!" So, being a person who believes Mark (Lambrecht) is the Mole, I did a search on his last name on Ancestry.com and found this out - Lambrecht is a staunch German surname with 184 of the 284 instances of Lambrecht's immigrating to America (using public records as the source) coming from Germany. The other possibilities are Preussen (53), DenMark (18), Russia (14), Mecklenburg (9) and Bavaria (6). Apparently in Chile, the German connection is strong, particularly in the south, where in the mid-1800's a mass immigration occurred. Then of course, Argentina was notoriously a place where the high level Nazi's went to hide out from the Allies after WWII. So, we might see more of this German connection as time goes by. I know that there is a precedent from the Mole producers to make a pun (or some such clever wordplay) on a person's name (eg Anderson serving MickeyD's to the Mole2 players for dinner in reference to Bill "McDaniels") so it suddenly dawned on me that maybe this is a play on Mark's name - German = Deutsch + Mark = Deutsch Mark! (which, by the way, went "kaput" itself in 1999 when Germany started using the Euro as it's currency.) The challenge was inspired by German tourists going over the falls...and Mark is a tourist (of German ancestry) who also went over the falls grabbing at some currency.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, June 06, 2008 - 7:11 pm
Jon held up a journal that had the number 11 on it when telling players about the journals. Just before the players took their quiz, several religious shots were shown....Virgin Mary statue, crucifiction painting,etc. Ali said a prayer before going over the falls. Victoria is from Bishop (that one's a stretch) A bible was one of the correct items in the game.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, June 06, 2008 - 7:13 pm
It's been mentioned that Jon held up Journal #11. I was also told by someone on another message board that the site has been "giving out" official clues, including one saying E_E_E_ (which very well may be spelling out "eleven). With that in mind, we can look at Kristen (K is the eleventh letter of the alphabet), Paul (the 11th when arranged alphabetically), and Craig (the 11th player introduced in the opening). (PS I'm searching the web for clues - as opposed to coming up with them on my own!!)
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, June 06, 2008 - 7:16 pm
Here's what we have so far from episode 1, copied from the discussion thread. Marcie: Executed, not the mole. Alex: . Jon said that <something> will be music to the mole's ears. Alex is the only musician Ali: . in a promo showing just three people saying they were not the mole, with a voiceover saying one was lying . Ali's initials, AS, match those of Alexander Selkirk, whose objects they were looking for in the Crusoe challenge Bobby: . seemed to hold back physically for someone so young Clay: . very mole-ishly under the radar Craig: . in a promo showing just three people saying they were not the mole, with a voiceover saying one was lying . Jon held up Notebook #11, Craig was the 11th person introduced . likeable and physically least likely to be the mole - double bluff? Kristen: . Jon held up Notebook #11, K for Kristen is the 11th letter of the alphabet Liz: Mark: . crying seemed unconvincing . link of Mark's German heritage to engraving on a box in the Crusoe task and Jon's mention of German tourists . Jon held up Notebook #11, Mark was the 11th to jump in the raft challenge . Jon mentioned the Last Supper. Mark was sitting to the left of Jon, just as Judas sits to the left of Jesus in the Last Supper . Mark's picture on the official site is the only one with a waterfall behind it, the rest are all in front of sky Nicole: Paul: . in a promo showing just three people saying they were not the mole, with a voiceover saying one was lying . Jon held up Notebook #11, Paul is the 11th person when the contestants are arranged alphabetically Victoria: . at the start of the show Victoria is the first mentioned after Jon says "who is the mole?" . green thumbprint on her helmet during the raft challenge Generic clues: . "coed" and "xx" were in one of the promos, suggesting mole might be female
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, June 06, 2008 - 7:20 pm
more clues? Does PLENA mean anything to anyone? It was on the gate backwards in that one odd shadow shot after dinner. google Plena and > full is the translation in spanish. It belong to a hymn about some Ave Maria or something. . its like a religious song or saying.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, June 06, 2008 - 7:22 pm
Reader, would it be best to keep all the discussion in the main thread and then just summarise a quick sentence or two here?? Then it will be easier to use as a reference thread as the season progresses.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, June 06, 2008 - 7:23 pm
more clues? the break at the 45 min mark, there are some letters, but it doesn't look at all like the name that in the spoiler tag. There's 2 frames with gibberish, mostly unusable consonants like X, Q. Then one frame with some larger letters obscured by thumb print. Looks like this: ? ? (?) NOR R BE (?) signifies possibly a thin character totally blocked by the thumb print? Right before this, Jon Kelley mysteriously says "These Pisco Sours are very tasty and habit forming. So may the mole be merciful."
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, June 06, 2008 - 7:26 pm
ok (I'm just cutting and pasting clues from other places) "[quote] I think the #11 is important, but you have to think a little deeper. Since they've made it obvious that ElEvEn means something, it isn't going to be as obvious as "eleventh in the opening" or "eleventh confessional" I think people are not taking one speculation in to as much consideration as they should. At what other point was the number eleven important? Well, when Dr. Diva was on the beach and everyone sat down for dinner, there were only eleven contestants at the table. I am a firm believer in the "Last Supper" speculation. There's absolutely no way in my mind that the host's "Treat this as your last supper" comment didn't mean something. So, if you look at the table as the Last Supper, and you place Jon Kelley in the Jesus spot... then Alex sits in the Judas spot. A subtle enough hint that people wouldn't think too much about it... and yet a good enough clue to bring back for the finale. But, to add a little bit more... they went to commercial break. After the break, the first three images were the Virgin Mary, an angel and Jesus' crucifixion. The crucifixion image appears on the cue of the word 'execution.' And there's more. During the quiz taking segment... a majority of the contestants speculated on who they thought was the Mole. Alex didn't have a confessional there... but he did appear. Jon Kelley said, "Question 10: Who is The Mole?" At the tail end of that question, we flash to Alex, saying nothing... just rubbing his forehead. And if you want to add something silly to the equation... he rubbed his forehead... and what is on Alex's forehead? Two moles. Biblical imagery has to be there for a reason... and that reason is our Judas... the Mole... Alex.[end quote]"
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, June 06, 2008 - 7:30 pm
also It was GRATIA PLENA which means "full of grace". lots of biblical references. With John Kelley stating 'let the mole be merciful', the last supper reference, the images of Mary, an angel and crucifixion, seems like they are trying to point us to a clue related to bible or christianity.
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Vasewist
Member
08-04-2003
| Monday, June 09, 2008 - 2:16 pm
The boat they were on was the Jose Louis. Ali is from St. Louis. Also Jose Louis could be Joe Louis, the prize fighter. Ali is a "card girl" at boxing matches.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, June 09, 2008 - 3:28 pm
Pre-episode 2 Clue Summary Executed, not the mole: (1) Marcie Alex: (1) Jon said that <something> will be music to the mole's ears. Alex is the only musician (1) Jon mentioned the Last Supper. Alex was sitting to the left of Jon, just as Judas sits to the left of Jesus in the Last Supper (previously this was attributed to Mark) Ali: (1) in a promo showing just three people saying they were not the mole, with a voiceover saying one was lying (1) Ali's initials, AS, match those of Alexander Selkirk, whose objects they were looking for in the Crusoe challenge (1) they were shown on the boat "Jose Louis", Ali is from St Louis and also works as a card girl at boxing matches (Joe Louis is a boxer) Bobby: (1) seemed to hold back physically for someone so young Clay: (1) very mole-ishly under the radar Craig: (1) in a promo showing just three people saying they were not the mole, with a voiceover saying one was lying (1) Jon held up Notebook #11, Craig was the 11th person introduced (1) likeable and physically least likely to be the mole - double bluff? Kristen: (1) Jon held up Notebook #11, K for Kristen is the 11th letter of the alphabet Liz: Mark: (1) crying seemed unconvincing (1) link of Mark's German heritage to engraving on a box in the Crusoe task and Jon's mention of German tourists (1) Jon held up Notebook #11, Mark was the 11th to jump in the raft challenge (1) Jon held up Notebook #11, Mark is a soccer coach and there 11 players in soccer (1) Mark's picture on the official site is the only one with a waterfall behind it, the rest are all in front of sky Nicole: Paul: (1) in a promo showing just three people saying they were not the mole, with a voiceover saying one was lying (1) Jon held up Notebook #11, Paul is the 11th person when the contestants are arranged alphabetically Victoria: (1) at the start of the show Victoria is the first mentioned after Jon says "who is the mole?" (1) green thumbprint on her helmet during the raft challenge Generic clues/weird Jon Kelly phrases that may or may not be relevant: (1) "coed" and "xx" were in one of the promos, suggesting mole might be female (1) religious theme to many of the tasks and Jon's phrases (1) Jon said "These Pisco Sours are very tasty and habit forming. So may the mole be merciful."
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Monday, June 09, 2008 - 11:15 pm
There were repeated instances of the letters "QT" and "VJ" in the Mole's green out-tro's. As well as a few "XLI"'s in the intros. "XLI" looks to me like a Roman numeral. Also, at the beginning of the episode, a DOB of 12-5-70, and the city of Chicago was on the screen, but 12-5-70 doesn't match any contestants so who knows what that means.
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Marej
Member
09-20-2002
| Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 6:02 am
During a chat with Victoria, something green was visible between her hair and the wall.
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Vasewist
Member
08-04-2003
| Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 9:34 am
Ali is a ring girl for the Ultimate Fighting Championship. The UFC stages bouts in an octagonal caged enclosure. The arena for the pigs can fly was octagon shaped. Her biography says she has strong religious beliefs and there was a lot a religious symbolism in episodes 1 & 2. Ali was accused of getting her team lost on the way back to the pig arena.
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Charlottesmom
Member
01-03-2008
| Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 10:55 am
Victoria is from Bishop, TX and there are lots of religious symbols.
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Charlottesmom
Member
01-03-2008
| Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 2:32 pm
Week 2 clue is: ABCBB ACCBCA
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Realurker
Member
08-10-2004
| Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 2:51 pm
Clay's jersey was #11
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 3:12 pm
It seems like there have been other official clues from various sources: From EW: I LIE WITH MY EYES From abc: NIC@IT From abc: E_E_E_ From abc: A B C B B A C C B C A From text: Heart E_E_E_ ties in with the eleven clue from episode 1 (and I think I saw that here before). NIC@IT reminds me of Nick at Nite with the KNE missing, but that doesn't make sense. The others mean nothing to me!
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 5:13 pm
Any change the letters could be the correct answers to the quiz?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 5:27 pm
Oh interesting, that would give: Mole is Male Arrived at summit in Gondola 1 ... only two answers here so option C isn't possible. Good idea though Talking of the quiz, did one question single out Bobby? I think one near the end asked whether the mole spent the whole time in a wheelbarrow. Odd to just single out one person.
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 10:01 pm
Okay, just saw another Mole intro clue: DOB: 2/5/70 Location: Los Angeles Occupation: Couldn't make it out but it started with an "M" None of this seems to apply to anyone, so who knows.
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Charlottesmom
Member
01-03-2008
| Thursday, June 12, 2008 - 9:33 am
Kitt, that could be just to throw us off. If I remember correctly the first quiz singled out one person too (Nicole) I bet for every real clue there are 10 red herrings lol.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, June 13, 2008 - 5:30 pm
Summary so far Executed, not the mole: (1) Marcie (2) Liz Alex: (1) Jon said that <something> will be music to the mole's ears. Alex is the only musician (1) Jon mentioned the Last Supper. Alex was sitting to the left of Jon, just as Judas sits to the left of Jesus in the Last Supper (previously this was attributed to Mark) (2) left his journal in Paul's room on purpose and it had very little in it Ali: (1) in a promo showing just three people saying they were not the mole, with a voiceover saying one was lying (1) Ali's initials, AS, match those of Alexander Selkirk, whose objects they were looking for in the Crusoe challenge (1) they were shown on the boat "Jose Louis", Ali is from St Louis and also works as a card girl at boxing matches (Joe Louis is a boxer) (2) supposedly led the group the wrong way in the piggy challenge Bobby: (1) seemed to hold back physically for someone so young (2) said he was a soccer "star" then hardly moved on the pitch (2) spent the entire piggy challenge being wheeled around rather than running Clay: (1) very mole-ishly under the radar (2) was wearing an "11" jersey during the piggy challenge Craig: (1) in a promo showing just three people saying they were not the mole, with a voiceover saying one was lying (1) Jon held up Notebook #11, Craig was the 11th person introduced (1) likeable and physically least likely to be the mole - double bluff? Kristen: (1) Jon held up Notebook #11, K for Kristen is the 11th letter of the alphabet Mark: (1) crying seemed unconvincing (1) link of Mark's German heritage to engraving on a box in the Crusoe task and Jon's mention of German tourists (1) Jon held up Notebook #11, Mark was the 11th to jump in the raft challenge (1) Jon held up Notebook #11, Mark is a soccer coach and there 11 players in soccer (1) Mark's picture on the official site is the only one with a waterfall behind it, the rest are all in front of sky Nicole: (2) From Chicago (see "intro" clues) Paul: (1) in a promo showing just three people saying they were not the mole, with a voiceover saying one was lying (1) Jon held up Notebook #11, Paul is the 11th person when the contestants are arranged alphabetically Victoria: (1) at the start of the show Victoria is the first mentioned after Jon says "who is the mole?" (1) green thumbprint on her helmet during the raft challenge (2) seemed to be holding back a grin on hearing they lost $35K in the hill challenge (2) seemed to overreact her relief at not being eliminated (2) From Bishop, TX (matching religious theme) Generic clues/weird Jon Kelly phrases that may or may not be relevant: (1) "coed" and "xx" were in one of the promos, suggesting mole might be female (1) religious theme to many of the tasks and Jon's phrases (1) Jon said "These Pisco Sours are very tasty and habit forming. So may the mole be merciful." Official clues: From EW: I LIE WITH MY EYES From abc: NIC@IT From abc: E_E_E_ From abc: A B C B B A C C B C A From text: Heart Text from the Mole intro: (2) <unclear> D.O.B. 12_5_1970 H: 5'8" W: 80K .................. POB: Chicago OCCUPATION: AW?AUNT (unclear) ... <unclear> D.O.B. 2.5.1970 H: 6'2" W .................. Place Of Birth Los Angeles Profession: Mar...<unlclear> ... repeats with what looks like different info (2) QT and VJG, XLI
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, June 13, 2008 - 5:55 pm
Well, thankfully we are not being assaulted with dumbed-down clues like in the second season! I have NO clue who is the Mole, and that is the way I like it!
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