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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 4:35 am
Csnog, locals have a tea made from the coca leaf. It does have a small amount of cocaine in it. lol.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 6:43 am
Yeah, the tea was sweet and it was more to keep the altitude sickness away. You can get sick going back down to quickly. I also don't think he had hypothermia. It will be interesting if they do any more missions in the mountains or did the producers get a scare and keep them in the lower areas. Did Kelley tell us that Craig had hypothermia or did Craig?
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 8:27 am
I think the circulatory problem Jodie explained was even more dangerous than hypothermia, at those altitudes and not enough oxygen could have given him a heart attack considering his physical unfitness... To me also it looked more like a circulatory problem...
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 10:22 am
It was the host - is his name Kelley? that told us he had hypothermia (in a voiceover).
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 10:59 pm
Two women and five men left. Might that point to a female Mole? The men seem to form alliances among themselves. If the women have been doing likewise, a female Mole would have to deflect suspicion by pointing the women in the wrong direction. Suddenly Nicole's starting to look guiltier. There have been times when her behavior was hard to explain.
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Redhawk
Member
05-23-2007
| Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 6:48 am
Jodied75: Jon Kelley is the host.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 10:35 am
That makes me go Mmmmmmm. Most of us don't think he had hypothermia.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 8:07 pm
Cs, you got it. That's how I feel. Just as Jodi & some others have mentioned, I was always told about turning pale-white, not beet-red. Spunky, we've each changed our minds so often and "focus" in five-six different individuals constantly, I'm not sure there is one pick on the board!! You are not alone about Clay. Many posters singled him out after second epi! The way he's very "under the radar" caused the most discussion. You have lots of company on the thought of this not being a season for a female Mole. But look at Curly's reasoning! Tonight I'm thinking "It just might be Nicole!". I usually dismiss this idea in a few minutes. But Curly's got some grounds. Four female have been cut. I even suspect that the only guy cut spent more time with gals also. (Not meant to be a put down) This could mean that the Mole is playing the social game, chatting up about male players. This could point to a female Mole! I didn't forget Kristen. Too tired to lay out reasons. But basically K at least appear as having been giving her all during tasks.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 8:58 pm
Beet-red is the stage before pale-white. I meant to post that earlier. First your body tries to save your extremities, forcing blood to the skin, then it gives up and tries to save the internal organs instead. Craig was beet-red on his way UP the hill, so it makes sense that he'd be hypothermic by the time he got down the hill. I just don't see what the benefit was for the producers for pulling Craig out of the group. They plan meetings around the day and wouldn't need to isolate him. To me it's much more likely Craig simply WAS hypothermic and had altitude sickness. Not saying he isn't the mole, just that a medical drama doesn't seem like the way the producers would choose to talk to him.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 11:07 am
New episode tonight! Bump!
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 5:10 pm
Hmmm, I still don't think he had hypothermia. The condition I mentioned that I have - Reynaud's Syndrome: my fingers slowly start going spotty white, then fully white, then blue and black at the tips. When my hands and feet are warmed up, blood starts rushing back and they turn bright red. Walking from the bottom of the mountain up until we last saw Craig before he was taken away in the ambulance, he was tomato red. I still don't buy it also because he's such a big guy. Hypothermia happens when your core gets too cold, and I think Craig has a lot of padding to protect his core. Here's an excerpt from https://www.msu.edu/user/manns/Hypothermia.html Does Fat Matter? There's a growing body of opinion (that means that two people have said it) that fat does not keep you warm, or does not help unless you are obese. However, research consistantly substantiates body fat as a major deterrent to heat loss. Body insulation increases directly with the average thickness of the fat layer under the skin (Park et al., 1984) and with deep body fat (Carlson et al.,1958). People with thicker fat layers lose less core heat at rest and during exercise both in cold air and cold water (Dulac, 1987; Wolff, 1985). Thicker people tolerate a lower temperature before shivering, and their core temperature does not drop as fast during swimming in cold water compared to thinner people (Veicsteinas & Rennie 1982). Thin people raise their metabolic rate higher than fatter people in a none too successful attempt to keep as warm as the more calorically challenged (Keatinge,1960). There is no question that the advantage is to the young and the globular. (Dr. Jolie Bookspan earned Master's and Doctoral degrees in exercise physiology and underwater physiology, a fellowship in cold immersion, and post docs in saturation decompression and altitude.) Maybe Craig has poor health and is very physically unfit, and perhaps "hypothermia" was the reason given to protect his dignity. It may have nothing to do with whether or not he is The Mole. But I think he had extreme altitude sickness.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 6:52 pm
Some Train Station, ... prisoners ... They're chained by the ankles! (Craig is still cold) One at a time could reach the cell w/key to free all, every 10 min. door opens for 1 min. ... work together ... all free by sun down 45G ... One exemption next to the key! But that means the rest of the gang stay in the cold ... Craig said to trust him, let him go first, he won't take the Card for Exemption! Kelly said "Trust" is the key. They are negotiating about who to let go first. Craig won the trust of all and moved forward to reach the key & free himself! He left the card alone. Now all talking to try to figure out which one could be trusted to go next!
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 6:53 pm
Clay in his DR entry says a prayer of "thank you God" over and over Dr Nicole was why does everyone I think is the mole get booted in a prison mission all about 'trust' (its a ruin and we are all chained by our anles to steel bar behinds us all for one, free yourself from the chains that bind you - inside the cell behind me is the key to sit you free, to have one person reach the key, the window opens and you have one minute to grab the key inside, if they do that they will enjoy a nice me and a warm bed - trust is crucial in this mission - you have to trust whoever you give the slack to any players not unchained have to stay the night in this freezin cold your mission begins now an exemption is involved, we all know that an exemption is to winning, Craig is cold and he bets to let him go he wont let anyone freezes like me.. aftere watching my journal buirns up, i dont trust anyone, craig says getting out of this cold more than anything - I wont take the exemption you can trust me mark tick tock tick tock - $25,000 to the pot paul says the man is sick let him go, trust him - clay is thinking I dont know if he is telling the truth, they give it to craig and he takes the key he gets out of the cold and he leaves the exemption at some point this is going to break down, I gave clay the exemption, and clay says he owes her... there is going to breakdown.. we all just do it or we dont. Mark says if you treeat me like a kids... nicole is wearing a Univ of il hoodie.... ten min is about up, they have to make a choice every ten minutes... you want to vote I dont care, please mark 2 for christian... go go go ... window opens give her the chain.. she goeis the windo and takes the key and leaves the exemption - thank you so much. I dont need the exemption says Paul, I swear on my dd - Mark says Paul you've been telling me all along that its all about the hustle, paul says i have said all along its about the hustle, but he's swearing on his dd - go ahead Paul Paul wants the exemption - an exemption is huge - Nicole doenst blieve anything that comes out of Puals mouth ever ever - he grabs for the exemption ticket and commercial
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 6:54 pm
Kris next, she freed herself and said "Thank you". Paul is swearing on his daughter, ... Mark talked to Clay, ... Nic won't trust P, but they let P go, it looked as if he's gonna reach for the card, with an evil smile too!
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 6:55 pm
so they are in an abondoned crumbling prison - they are chained, they all must stay behind a line of cells to give enough slack to let one person every ten minutes get a key to unlock their chain, and then go inside for a warm meal and a warm bed. However, they can get the key AND an exemption - so its a trust issue - do you trust someone to try for the exemptiion and leave everyone out in the cold (they have shown a sleeping bag) $25,000 to the pot is at stake
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 6:55 pm
Hi Chy, I guess I got the right thread this night!!
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 6:57 pm
Hi Reader! I'm glad you type better than I could. Paul faked them out! He laughed and didn't take the card.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 7:03 pm
Jon kelly is now telling what happens, if no one takes the exemption money added. Paul is "doggin" it imho and takes the key not the exemption Clay says we ought to be smart - Alex are you going to take the exemption Mark are you going to take that exemption... the voice of reason leaves if I leave clay says - are you willing to stay out here all night they struggle to make a choice on who goes next. Mark has lost all trust, hell stay all night... its fricken cold out there says Paul Paul says its a tough task to complete. You did think about it jon says pual says of course.. you going next mark? I dont know - sounds like Mark wants the exemption... mark will do anything to get it.. says clay - he doesnt trust if he leaves he doesnt trust someone else will take itl.. clay says, fine let me go - Mark ccan have some compassion, but our coalition broke right here.. all right good people clay takes the key... Nicole and alex both give their word they wont take the exemption... mark says no one wants to play with me, nicole says its just a game.. I want to get out of thee weather... I let Nicole go says mark its up you have one minute, she reaches for the key only and goes now its mujst mark and alex. I think mark will take the exemption. they are talking around the dinner table on how mark has changed... Nicole walks in... so did you take the exemtion nicole? no I di not.. 58 min elapse. do you turst me to stay or do you want to be last... so alex takes it and unlocks it... so mark is last... hard for alex because he wants the money in the pot, not the exemption... in goes mark and he is looking for the window to open contemplating... this one move could signal a turning point for me, what cfould happen if i take the exemption or the key? window opens and he grabs the commercial
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 7:03 pm
Clay thinks if he goes first the voice of reason will go w/ him. Kelly, Craig, Kris & Paul are by the firs at the dinner table ... Clay doesn't trust Mark, M doesn't trust himself. Clay went and free himself only. Mark thinks every one knew how much his journal is worth ... and so none will play with him any more. Nic went & kept her word! Alex told Mark it's his decision. M told him to go first. Alex is afraid that Mark would take that evil Exemption! Mark is thinking in front of the card, weighing all possibilities ...
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 7:05 pm
i love my typos I want to go correct them but will miss something - I think I typed a butt instead of something m lol Jon says they will enjoy a nice MEAL - I typed a nice "ME" roflol
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 7:06 pm
Hmmmm, could Craig and Nic still be the Mole? Any of them could have taken the exemption and left the rest out in the cold and making sure that no money could go towards the Pot. Maybe this one is too obvious to sabotage. ??
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 7:06 pm
so if the mole is the last one there they think the m ole will take the exemption instead of adding the 25k to the pot.. because truly no one would have risked the wrath of the group by leaving anyone in that cold all night, if it hadnt been so cold I think it may have been different!
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 7:08 pm
they are talking about mark - will it bbother him if he doesnt take the exemption... clay thinks the money is easy to replace - what happened? what choice? Mark says you've been talking what did you say? paul says you've been battling I said mark being the man he is he would have a hard time taking the exemption clay says you would not give me your word. Mark says he has something green in his pocket and it is... mints they all shake
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 7:10 pm
Mark came in, all want to know what he did. He did? He said he has something green in his pocket! (The card was green) He pulled out a green mint wrapper! Now Clay's thinking perhaps he is the Mole and do not need the Exemption! "Early Xmas", Jon gave them fresh Journal! Phone ...>>
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, June 30, 2008 - 7:12 pm
25 not 45, Pot is 177G now! I'm behind now, let Reader do this segment.
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