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Redhawk
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05-23-2007

Sunday, June 22, 2008 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redhawk a private message Print Post    
For anyone who missed any episode you can see them again at ABC.com

Chy
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07-19-2003

Sunday, June 22, 2008 - 7:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
From what the editors showed us, Bobby was tussling with the idea that Paul who's from Yonkers, NY, somewhat a New Yorker, might be the Mole. He figured such from the fact that the host was munching on a green apple! -- I think NYC is usually represented by a big RED apple. Yeah?

I can't remember to whom Bobby was discussing that with though. At that moment, Mark & Clay already had a conversation(or so it was edited) that they were not going to trust Bobby too much, hence the cross-confession that Mark would trust Clay and Clay only, But Clay would trust Clay and Clay only as well.

Curly, about the way you calculate -- I think one of the Mods helped you out and did the corrected dollar amount up for you! -- What if you do it the other way, calculate how much each of them actually put in the pot?
The fuzzy ones like Piggy search & sling, could just be split among them since Bobby the one who didn't help towards that cause is gone anyways ...
Yikes, I think it could get even worse complicated, heehee. Never mind.

I don't blame the bikers(Mike & Kristen) for trying their hardest to get the examptions. The game was still very young at that point. It was more important to stay in it rather than worry about the Pot!

I also agree that Paul is probably not the Mole. I'll suspect the innocent-looking Kristen before I look at him.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Sunday, June 22, 2008 - 7:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Red is right.
But you do have to have a relatively "bigger" PC and a relatively faster connection to venture in that ABC site.

I did take advantage of it to confirm for myself that Victoria was the only one massaged with chocolate at the Spa!

<Saucy chocolate all over her, kind of does resemble the Mole(Mo-Lay) sauce!>
Thanks to Lycan for pointing that out!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Sunday, June 22, 2008 - 9:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
It does get a bit complicated when you try to figure out how individual players are earning or losing money for the pot. The trouble arises when you look at a challenge where people worked together. If Victoria and Craig lost $7,000 in a challenge, do you say they each lost $3500 or do you say each lost $7,000 (since if one was truly sabotaging then they'd be completely responsible)?

If you do split the money up, then the figures I get for how much each has earned is this:
Victoria $8,500
Mark $17,000
Nicole $6,000
Paul $10,000
Alex $6,000
Clay $12,500
Craig $8,500
Kristen $12,000

Again, this is not including episode 2's challenges or the beach challenge as these were group efforts.

I should also add another $1,000 to Paul's number in my previous post because I forgot he cost the team $1,000 when he took that pig exemption. He still has done the least damage to the pot.

So just looking at the money, Paul is the least likely suspect. I still don't think he's the Mole, though. At least I hope not.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Sunday, June 22, 2008 - 9:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Dividing up the lost money the same way (only responsible for half the loss in paired challenges), their individual losses would be:
Victoria $13,500
Mark $22,500
Nicole $6,000
Paul $3,000
Alex $16,000
Craig $13,500
Clay $9,500
Kristen $17,500

I discovered errors in my previous figures for Victoria and Craig and corrected them. They had only been penalized half their fruit money, but I had subtracted all of it.

It looks like Mark has earned them the most money and cost them the most money, while Nicole is breaking even.

I hope these figures aren't annoying anyone yet. I think I'm done now. :-)

Redhawk
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05-23-2007

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redhawk a private message Print Post    
Last night I watched again all three episodes of The Mole on abc.com.

I now believe Craig to be The Mole.

I base my choice on the following reasons.

In general…
His size and lack of mobility serve to give him a built-in excuse for failing in many of the missions.
Many of his facial expressions and actions appear to me as acting in regard to what happens to others.
He hasn’t been chosen as yet to have his answers to the questions evaluated.

First episode…
He failed to catch the money bag.
He wasn’t very active during the Robinson Caruso hunt on the beach.

Second episode…
He encouraged Liz to sit and rest whenever she needed resulting in his group losing the race to the statue which removed 35k from the prize.
He let Kristen push Bobby in the wheelbarrow which really slowed them down. His team returned no pigs.

Third episode…
He talked to Victoria about the fruit, after they passed the finished line, violating the rules, which lost all 14k they would have added to the pot.
He looked closely at the small card, which had the laundry’s address on it, during the time they were trying to secure clothes.
He (accidentally?) found all their clothes at the laundry which helped to remove any suspicion from him.

If he is not The Mole, I suppose you could consider much to his behavior to be mole-ish to make others think he is The Mole so they would get fewer correct during the quiz.

Since we don’t know how the players answered the questions, or the actual answers to the questions themselves, we have no idea how poorly the executed person did on the quiz.

The quizzes are timed in the event there is a tie for the fewest number of correct answers. The one who took the longest time to complete the quiz is the one who is executed.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 8:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Red said:

The quizzes are timed in the event there is a tie for the fewest number of correct answers. The one who took the longest time to complete the quiz is the one who is executed.
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Yes, they are timed. But I think the most important object is to get as many correct answers as you could. The time element would only play a part when more than one players share the poorest score.

I remember reading the players accounts on this dilemma when the numbers of players left are way down. Do you want to be the faster one to finish or should you be more careful about your answers? Of course, by then, they each probably go in there with the exact idea of who the Mole is and just focusing on the Mole's where about and attire during each task.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Curly, I like lists!
So long as I am not on BEN's list! :-)

Goodness! With the exact same pot and all the same tasks and figures, there's many way to dissect who made the least or cost the most, huh?

At this point, the real Mole could still tell the producer: See, even though I made them some money doing such & such task(s), I still cost them a bunch when such & such happened! :-)

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Haha!
Remember the scene in the first epi where Jon the host held up a Journal with the number 11 on it? At the time I thought it might be a clue. But now I had to laugh.

That week posters thought maybe Craig is the Mole since he was the eleventh one being introduced(plus that silly producer's Hangman clue which I won't talk about here).
Then in the 2nd epi, I didn't look so closely but I read that Clay had number 11 on his jersey when they play football with the kids!

Just now I came across a post in other board that says, one of the clues for Victoria being the Mole is that in the first quiz, her name was on the eleventh spot. Haha!

Up to this point of my life, 11 used to mean "walking" as a mean to get around. In the good old days during the long and sleepy Summers, when my pals and I wanted to go some where w/o money even for bus fare, we used to say "Number 11 is the way to go."

Charlottesmom
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01-03-2008

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Charlottesmom a private message Print Post    
Wow this thread is hopping!!! You guys are awesome :-) I have been busy the last few days and I am delighted to see all the new theories!!

Can't wait for tonight's show!

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 6:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Do we want the show spoiled here?

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 6:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
I went over to the other thread and am doing my best

I am SO CONFUSED

its all Jimmer's fault *grin*

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 6:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
HMMM, they chose to replay V crying over Bobby's execution.

Craig sorry, Nic had Bobby as her pick; Vic said now she can't trust any one else.

Vic again talking about the amazing trip though the Andes.

Paul made a sour face drawing on a lemon..

Wow! Snowy mountain top.
Selfish & Selfless.
Vic, Nic, Kristen & Clay on the Selfish team.

Minus rush? 500 bricks.
$250 (50G total) for each Gold brick they could carry. 10,00 ft altt. They have 50 minutes. ... using backpacks.
1st team up gets exemption.

I miss what the names were for.
But Jon said true to the names, Selfish team only took 23 but selfless took 38.

Jon met them half way told them to take a scale. The Selfish team made it first and chose a lighter one.

Lol, even cows were laying down ...

Selfish team is carrying light, leading of course.

Selfless team all worried about Craig, he looks over extended, red face & all.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Haha!! (Wave to Reader!)

I thought we are allowed to do it here?
This is the only thread I post in....

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Selfish made it with 23 bricks!

Craig is having problems.

Nic said should it come up, she will give up money for exemption.

Selfless made it w/ 38!!

Selfish team had to decide which one person gets the exemption!
I can't believe Clay is fighting for it, he got it by making deal w/ Kristen. I can't believe Nic agreed to that!

U-oh! Craig needed to be carried out by a stretch!

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
$14,250 in the Pot!
The Selfless team made it by 31 seconds to spare!

Craig was cold and had problem with the Altitude. He's okay, I'd say.

Every one admires his spirit but also said "... if he turned out to be the Mole...".

Now Alex & Vic chat and teas each other.

<<I'm beginning to think the Mole might be a guy since Nic said she had Bobby targeted as one ....>>

Time to part with your Journals, says Jon!!
They are freaking out. But I think it'll be a great way for the production to commute w/ the Mole.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Reader, here's the rule for this thread:
People can discuss clues that the contestants would have seen while playing the game as well as speculate about who the Mole is based on those clues. The East Coast show discussion can also take place in this thread.

Come over here! Pretty pleas!
I don't go to the other threads. :-(

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
I'm typing what I see in the other thread also!

very poorly I might add!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The journal stuff is very intense. Mark is very upset. Now is he the Mole or is he just angry?

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
I can never do word for word anyways.

Hmmmm, Journals back to the rightful owners.
Jon's sharing!
$144,000 now, 2G more for right guesses on quotes.

"Who said Vic drink a lot?"
A: Mark & was correct

"Who said Clay is quiet & cool?"
A: Kristen & correct.
"Hoping it'll work out right." A: Nic, wrong

K, who said mission one was the stupidest ...."
Paul, correct

missed one

"Nic is here for fame"
Nic no clue, Vic.

Jon thinks Nic coughed & blinked.. so some money was taken....

I love that desert. Pudding on fire.

Told them to take a walk. They came across a b.Fire, Jon wants one of them to give up the journal.
Alex won over Paul and someone else.

Now Jon ordered Alex to collect all journals, burn those instead.!!

"Mark was visiblly shaking" , "That was what kept Mark going..."

Alex & Paul couldn't find Mark, ... <What did I miss, Reader??>>

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Well, Mark has been intense all the time. He could be like me, bad memory skills and need to take notes and rely on them!

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
o I see I went to the WRONG FOLDER!!

stupid me!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I can move those posts over here Reader so they are all together?

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
I have no idea Jimmer - You are the Boss!! we follow you!!

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, June 23, 2008 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
They can't find Mark for a bit. <<Hey, maybe he was on the side taking directions from the producers??>>

Clay's worried about his coalition w/ Mark. <That I don't understand.>

All expressed worries for the Quiz that night.
Ah! Craig wasn't there and got to keep his journal. Alex & Craig could take Quiz w/journal.

<<Earlier Nic said she doesn't write much, Alex, Paul and Clay said they didn't really need their Journals. Mark said he depends on it. Craig said the same. Now Vic said there could be advantages not relying on the journals ... Don't know if it's important, just keeping notes.>>