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Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, July 21, 2008 - 10:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Yeah, I wasn't sure whether to spoilerbox it, but it was just someone's theory. Ironic really that I spoilerboxed the previous clue - which turned out to be wrong! I like your explanation of what that clue really meant.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, July 21, 2008 - 11:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
The poster at the other thread (the one I couldn't find) also thought the 244 could eliminate both Nicole and Paul. I was playing safe when I suggested it just eliminated one of them, and also in the final show they are always down to three, the winner, runner up and mole, and if they got rid of just one of Paul or Nicole, then three were left.

This week's clue card is simply

495

Any ideas? You're very good at this. I'll watch again when I get time and see if that's any of the wrong or right numbers put out there during the numbers task.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 8:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
I was never good with sequences!!

over at SS they have been bored, I'm thinking and this thread is a discussion of the green fingerprint - does it hold a "name" or not"?

http://www.survivorsucks.com/topic/35990

is it a clue? or a real stretch of someone's imagination? or someone having too much time on their hands? (and to think the FORT can figure out who the Bachelor/ette picks - where is their sluething skills here?? lol)

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I couldn't see the names in the finger print, but the print did look kind of odd.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I'm copying this over from the other thread, because it looks kind of cluey to me:

The following is the Fibonacci series (a series created from adding the previous two numbers together):
1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 377 610 987 1597 2584 4181

The numbers in bold are the numbers from the first task this week. They're the 7th, 8th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 18th and 19th numbers in the Fibonacci series.

I wonder if Fibonacci is relevant, or the numbers missing or..? It's curious, anyway.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 5:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
There have been several clues pointing to Italy, haven't there? Fibonacci, the Italian passport stamp, the shirt the host wore that said "Italia," the "NIC@IT" clue,...

Are any of the contestants Italian? Is Paul Italian? He sure doesn't seem to be costing them much money.

I'm not sure what 495 points to. All I can see in it is that 4+5=9 and 495=45x11.

Could it be that the text clues point to the losers, the show and dossier point to the Mole, and the clue cards point to the winner?

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 5:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
OMG - the Fibonacci series!! DD just "got" that (she is 11)

thanks for adding that!

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
It could be, Curly. We won't really know though until the end, as neither the winner nor the mole are going to be executed, of course... but it might be helpful to be aware the sets of clues don't necessarily point to the same person.

Here's part of Paul's bio:
Paul has the accent and demeanor that clearly reveals he’s an Italian New Yorker from Yonkers.

Suspicious!

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, July 25, 2008 - 5:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
The mole journal at the abc site has been updated with two new pages.

There are the sums:
677 - 435 + 23 + 2 = ?? (the answer is 267)
24 + 345 - 271 + 14 - 57 = ?? (the answer is 55)
375 - 44 _ _ (sum is unfinished at 331)
then a comment that suggests they were bad at maths.

There's a map of Mendoza, which maybe points to Paul as he was the one carrying the map.

The there are a list of what I guess are the mole's favourites:
fave colour - red
fave food - peanuts
life goal - run their own business
fave movie - back to the future
fave band - ?
Not sure if any of those were used in the show??

Page two mentions running round the streets of Mendoza, which doesn't eliminate anyone, and has a receipt which is too blurry to read, but is presumably for a snack. Did we see anyone eating as they ran?

Now the note to Clay is interesting, it says they tried to foil him during the maths challenge but he was a math magician - that points to Craig who was telling Clay to wait rather than guess, and then added up 89 and 144 and got 232 not 233, then asked if they should put in 231 or 233. Also Nicole came back with the wrong number so it could be her too.

And then it's signed "Your dearest friend, the Mole." Does that point to Mark? Or then that could also be Nicole as she was getting close to him this episode.

So that makes it either Paul, Craig, Mark or Nicole. Clear as mud!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Friday, July 25, 2008 - 10:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
You're right. They always know how to write these things to point to everyone. For what it's worth, I found Craig's website the other day and on it he says that after returning from shooting the Mole he started his own company.

http://www.craigslike.com/

Oh, and his "Slikenation" webpage is all in red.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Monday, July 28, 2008 - 1:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Ok someone put together these clues on FORT and believe that it points to Paul going home - HOWEVER< we've seen things pointing obviously to someone going home, only to have them remain!!

The first clue is week 8: REFLECT
In my opinion this is telling us to reflect back on past clues. (of course it could men something totally different)
The second Clue is Week 6:
334 631 244 {each set of numbers crossed though}
These numbers corresponded with a page in Mark journal that the camera focused on for quite some time.
each set of numbers pertain to a certain player: 334=Alex, he goes home week 6, 631=Clay he goes home week 7, and then 244 which represented Paul and Nicole. showing that one of them would go home.

Now for the real proof for Paul...
Week two was the clue: [A B C B B]top [A C C B C A]bottom
Each letter stood for a certain player and many people thought it stood for grades on quizzes but looking back i think it pointed to the final three:

A - Craig, Mark, Nicole
B - Bobby, Clay, Alex, Paul
C - Kristen, Ali, Victoria, Liz
I think that group A was pointing out the final three, Group B pointing out the four guys to go home, and group C as the first 4 girls to go home.

Also group A is the only group with more then one gender represented and only three people. So…..it would seem that Nicole is in the final three with Mark and Craig and Paul is the one going home.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Monday, July 28, 2008 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Wow, you guys rock! I just watch the show and sort of nod as stuff goes down!

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, July 28, 2008 - 3:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
It is interesting with that ABC clue that the three As and one B are the only ones left. I think what you say there has good logic.

"Reflect" might have a different meaning when we see tonight's show though. I really didn't like Paul at the beginning but have warmed to him now - I'd much rather Nicole went than him!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Monday, July 28, 2008 - 8:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Once again, I'm glad I didn't come to this thread before the show. I thought I'd be much happier seeing Paul go home. I'm glad he and Nicole at least came to appreciate each other on some level at the end.

So was "reflect" one of this week's clues? Is this week 8? I haven't been keeping track of the week numbers. It doesn't say much, since it probably points to the mirrored image challenge, and all four participated in that.

The ABC reasoning above makes great sense. That's one mystery solved.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, July 28, 2008 - 11:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Great work, Reader. Half way through I was getting that sinking feeling thinking you were right.

I think "reflect" was the text clue for this week, but I haven't been able to find it. Hopefully Reader will come back and let us know. Yes, it's week eight.

....actually, I just checked the website. "REFLECT" written in mirror writing is the ABC clue card clue.

And I found the text clue, it's 00711. Not sure what that's about!

I'm sure Mark isn't the mole but Craig and Nicole are looking equally suspicious now. I just don't know.

Dovez
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08-27-2005

Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 9:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dovez a private message Print Post    
a dog and old man were shown in the opening scenes of last night's episode.
then later when the contestants were going into dinner the same man/dog passed the open door just as craig passed.
coincidence ? i think not.

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 7:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
Craig commented to Mark that he didn't want to be left in the final three with Paul and Nicole and then Paul goes home. I figured if he or Mark were the mole, they would try to ensure that the other made it to the final three.

Nicole has been causing people to mess up since the first week but I think she did it merely as a strategy to have others mistakenly guess her as the mole.

Mark reminds me of the very first mole, a female, who became very emotional when it got down to the final four because of the stress it was causing her to be the mole. Because of that, I'm guessing Mark as the mole.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 7:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
The Mole Journal has been updated.

There's one of those word games to change the word CELL to MOLE, and the word FILL is missing, not sure if that's relevant. It also has MOLE MALE... in a word list which might hint that the mole is male... or might not.

I think there's a hint that the Mole played the game, rather than operated the camera, which would fix the mole as Craig. But it's not definitive.

Then a letter to Paul said that he grew on the Mole, which points to Craig or Nicole more than Mark.

And "do you think green is a good colour for me?"... did the mole wear green this week?

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 10:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
The green comment probably refers to the Mole getting hit with a paint ball. That would mean it's Craig or Nicole. Then the picture of the puzzle box implies the Mole played the game rather than filming it, which again points to Craig.

Like I had said a few days ago in the other thread, I'll be very surprised if it's not Craig. I'll also be very impressed by all the red herrings it took to keep the real Mole secret.

I guess at this point it's more a mystery to guess which contestant wins the money. I'm hoping it's Mark, but Nicole is lightning fast when she wants to be. Mark was a wee bit annoying at times, but he worked so hard and wanted this so much.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 11:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
The Alex red herrings were the most clever, all those hints to famous people with Alex in their name. I discounted Craig reasonably early on because of his fitness level, I just didn't think the producers would risk that given that some of the tasks are very physical. Without that, he's been pretty traditionally moley, i.e. he's been under the radar and sneaky, not over the top and extreme. He's done a good job.

If it turns out to be Nicole I'll say she's done an even better job, but the producers should have chosen someone more likeable!

Good catch on the paintball. I checked their clothes and the only one wearing green was Paul, and it's obviously not him!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Monday, August 04, 2008 - 5:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
So it looks like the latest clue is "7..26..52" and the text clue is "MAP REC". Don't know what that means, though. I wonder if the clues will now point to the winner rather than the next person to leave.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Monday, August 04, 2008 - 5:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
That's the fun with producers' clues - they point every which way!

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, August 04, 2008 - 5:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Logically the text clue, which has pointed to the loser, would point to the second place person. But I don't trust them to be logical any more!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Monday, August 04, 2008 - 8:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
The clues make more sense after watching the show.

The first clue must point to Craig because he was the one who got the Eva Peron cemetery task, and that was the date of her death.

The second clue is hard for me to figure out. Maps came into play in both missions. What would the REC mean?

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, August 04, 2008 - 11:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
The text clue points to Nicole, when they were running around town she was wearing a happy camper t-shirt, which had a happy face and then the word CAMPER underneath. MAP REC is an anagram of CAMPER.

I missed the date clue! Well spotted.

I think Nicole is second, Mark wins, and Craig is the mole!