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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 12:14 pm
So they finally had someone on who had (for the most part) a normal childhood. No abuse, nothing. Yet he was an alcoholic. I was beginning to wonder if everyone who is screwed up enuf to get on this show had to have some sort of abusive backstory. Although it was disturbing that he got his 90 day chip and then went out a celebrated by getting drunk!
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 1:33 pm
Yeah, looks like he couldn't stay sober after completing rehab since it said he is still drinking. In time he'll probably slip back into the same hole he was in before. Its a shame.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 6:16 pm
This was also the first time I had very little sympathy for the addict. I was fairly disgusted by his use of emotional blackmail if someone didn't "get him a bottle" (i.e. "I'm going to cut myself - I have before and I can do it better now."). However, there was some mention that he could have had some sort of mental illness, and Candy the interventionist, did infer something about that...she explicitly told them that the addict (can't remember his name), was not to be threatened because in his emotional state of mind, it would go nowhere. But nothing was ever said at the end of the show about that.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 7:45 pm
Jodie, they talked about how he had very severe depression which had begun manifesting as a teenager (14/15? can't remember the exact age). The mom felt a lot of guilt because she believed that if she had gotten him medical attention as a teenager that he wouldn't have become an addict (not agreeing, just repeating LOL). The centre he was sent to was one that specialized in addicts who had underlying psychological issues.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 10:31 am
Thanks Rissa, I didn't see this until now. Wow, last night's show was the second time I couldn't garner as much sympathy for the addict - two in a row. I hate seeing users doing drugs in front of their family in general - but that huffing every five seconds was ridiculous. One thing I don't like as a character trait of an anorexic is the high whiny voice. It was really grating on me last night.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 10:33 am
I watched a bit last night ... it was shocking to see her huffing in front of her mom. And then to watch her cut herself. It was really sad. Did she go to rehab? What was the outcome??
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 10:41 am
Was that voice from the anorexia or the chemicals...? It seemed she spoke more normally when she was 'sober' but it almost looked like a helium affect while huffing. The last time I got my computer back from the computer store they sold me a can of DustOff, its sitting on my desk and I can't help but feel a bit freaked out that it's looking at me :D Vaca, she did go to rehab and it said she was sober for about three months now.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 10:44 am
Thank you Dahli! I know, huffing is so foreign to me. I had no idea that DustOff could be used that way. It was shocking!! I thought the sound of her voice was from the chemicals also. I hope she stays clean.
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 11:33 am
I'm another one that couldn't garner much sympathy for her. She just made me cringe.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 6:20 pm
Dahli, it is possible that the high voice could have come from the chemicals, but I used to have an eating disorder and spent time in rehab...and I found that in general, the anorexics spoke in tiny, little-girl voices. I don't know why that was, and I'm not saying it to be mean, because it was very clear to me that it was a general trait from my experience. i believe that anorexics will adopt little girl voices to match the frailty of their body...or perhaps their voices can even physically change when they have so little strength. Back in high school (or one of them, since I went to eight), I lived in a very rough area and huffing and glue-sniffing was quite prevalent among the white students. I learned early on that it can cause far more brain damage than even heroin or meth. You literally kill brain cells every time you use. I also knew very early on that I had an extremely addictive personality, and I never dared tried hard-core drugs because I was afraid I'd like them too much.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 7:04 pm
The interventionist was spot on... She was Queen Baby. And that voice was her baby voice. I had very little sympathy for Allison. She was manipulating her mother into feeling guilt. Yes, she had a bad thing happen to her. But her sister sseemed healthy and stable and didn't pull the woe is me pity party line. Yes, her father left her, but her father left the entire family, and both other sisters survived. I think she wasn't a very sympathetic person, overall.
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Carlpsmom
Member
01-03-2004
| Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 7:57 pm
I know that the producers have the cameras there to document the process. However, when it comes to huffing, I had a real problem with anyone watching someone doing it. This is an activity that can literally kill without any notice. To film it seemed irresponsible. Yes, I know I am being unrealistic. But, this is something that so many kids can access without much effort. To see her doing it so much might give the impression that it isn't as dangerous as it is.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 10:36 pm
I know this may not be a popular opinion, but shen she was huffing in front of Mom and yelling at her...I was thinking it might be a good time for mom to slap some sense into her. It seems to me that Mom couldn't be a mom because of the guilt she felt from the past events. I'm guessing she gave in to that kind of emotional blackmale for the biggest part of the girl's lives. On a different note....it's ironic that this show came on the day after I was in walmart and some young man was digging in his pockets for his last pennies so he could afford a couple of cans of gold paint. Sure, the clerk IDed him....but you could also tell he and the clerk were friends. I told the hubby there is no way you could tell me that young man was going home to spray paint something gold!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 10:47 pm
I don't think they had much choice. She is over 18, had money from the "sugar daddy" and was buying a legal substance. Look what happened even when the cops were able to hear her threaten to kill herself, see that she'd been cutting (but she was right, that wasn't seriously suicidal) and were able to take her in and she was released in 7 hours (I think here it would have been a 72 hour hold, but even then the psych units often release earlier than that. Taking the dustoff away before the intervention would have just led her to drive and huff and put more people in danger, I guess. I thought Jeff played quite a dance there, trying one person after another to get to her and then getting various things withdrawn and giving her until the next day. But what a mess that is.. I guess we don't see such an advanced case because so many people die the first time or two they do this. She needed help years before and it is always hard to predict an outcome.. one sister being so self-destructive and the other, not so much. Jeff did have her pegged as the victim/princess and I have to admit (and I'm really aware of survivor issues and as patient and accepting as they come, but it was really hard to like this person, for me too. I think the good thing was that she went to the place, was still in the program and had extended her stay. If she at least stays in therapy, there may be hope, but the fact that the sugar daddy was still in her life, not so good. I think a copy of this documentary should be mailed to his wife. Oh and I felt much more sympathy for the cats, being in that environment and then being hauled off and I sure hope they got a loving home together. I have such a soft spot for black kitties.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 10:48 pm
Oh right Queen Baby, not Princess Victim.. lol.. but that would work too.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 5:37 am
Hey Sea....I have a black 5 month old that needs a home LOL!!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 4:41 pm
Well I have a lovely black 20 year old cat who clearly doesn't want to share me. Most of my labs were black and I've had a black tuxedo cat in the past, too. Critter has no soft spot for another cat, black or otherwise..
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Carlpsmom
Member
01-03-2004
| Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 5:43 pm
I work for an EMS billing company. Just today alone, I was inputting info on 3 huffing calls. It just scares me so much!
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Monday, August 25, 2008 - 8:47 pm
Wow, that guy is so talented! The song he wrote for his daughter reminded me of Jose Feliciano. I'm glad he got sober and I hope he stays that way.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Monday, August 25, 2008 - 10:15 pm
I didn't watch the second show but caught the first one that was a rerun. The woman's two sons just broke my heart.
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