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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 12:16 pm
Huk, you and your siblings all have exactly the same color hair! It's beautiful, by the way. Are you all still so strawberry blond?
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 10:57 pm
Stumbled across this show late last night and, whoa! I'm really feeling sorry but also disappointed in Jeff. On the other hand, Baldwin & Brigette seem to really want the recovery. But we all know the relapse rate is sooo high (like Dr Drew's assistant in group - 24 relapses before it stuck - wow!).

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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 4:17 am
Glad you all got a chuckle out of my candy cane outfit. I actually think that the teacher made the outfits, because all of us looked just as dumb. Babyjax, my two older sisters and I did all have the same hair color. In orchestra when we went to all county competitions every year, people from the other schools called us the "Breck Girls." My oldest sister's hair is darker now but clearly still strawberry blondish. My second oldest sister; unfortunately, has alopecia areata (not sure how to spell it) and lost all of her hair years ago. She wears wigs now, and they are toned down from our childhood color, but still reddish. Mine has turned sort of more on the darker side as well, but people still say it is sort of a strawberry blonde. I never know what color to call it! At least I don't have to color it yet, and I'm 51. My brother was a towhead, and then his hair was blonde until he got into his 20's. It's brownish-bald last I knew (we don't have contact with him anymore because he got into drugs and eventually robbed my mother, was jailed, put into rehab, yadda yadda). Sorry if this is tmi!
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 10:54 am
I love the pictures!!! Adorable!
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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 11:49 am
Huk, you were adorable then and you are just as adorable now!
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 6:19 pm
Huk, I'm sorry about your brother. I know how that is. I have a sister I haven't spoken to in 10 years. I still have people say, "But you're family!" Why is it that people expect us to accept behavior from a relative that we would never tolerate from a total stranger? I hope your brother gets himself straightened out someday.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 6:52 am
Ditto with my cousin. He was an alcoholic and struggled with it for years, until one day he walked out of rehab after a month-long stay and right onto the path of an oncoming train. Addiction is a disease and you can't "love" someone out of it any more than you can cure someone of pneumonia through love. Maybe someday science will have a better method for helping people like this - until then, you do what you can but it isn't always enough.
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Gemma120in2002
Member
07-05-2003
| Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 10:48 am
Huk, you were so cute! Gotta say though, when I first saw the picture of you as a candy cane I immediately thought of a new Friday the 13th movie! Friday the 13th, Sugar-Plum fairy VS Jason! Just when you thought it was safe to go back under the mistletoe! I also have a brother I haven't seen in at least 10 years. Occasionally we get the bills for his latest emergency room visit and ambulance transportation because he puts my address down as his. We call and let the different hospitals and ambulance services know that he has scammed them and that they should press charges against him so that he can be arrested. It could help him, or it might not. I have also been hit with the "But you're family!" crap. My response is that being his family just means that we were his first victims. One person in a hospital started to threaten to take ME to court over his bills. I spoke to her supervisor and that ended that. Everyone touched by addiction is left scarred and damaged. I don't blame the family of an addict for abandoning the addict. Sometimes in order to survive you have to leave.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 2:39 pm
It's called "tough love," Gemma. Only the addict can fix themselves--if and when they decide they've had enough. You can't save them from themselves. That's known as "enabling."
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Penguin
Member
09-08-2005
| Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 6:30 pm
I have a brother is a drug addict. I enabled him for many years growing up. I was finally able to break away somewhat when I got married. I have only see him at Christmas and July 4th family gatherings for the last 20 years. I only saw him out of respect for my Mom. My Mom passed away Jan. 9th. He didn't come to the funeral and I & my Dad haven't since until this past 4th of July when he showed up at my house drunk & high looking for Mom. I was home alone and he proceed to chase me down the road, He had a butcher knife and I was on my electric cart with a garbage can lid trying to protect myself. I was lucky that the policeman that lives 2 houses down was home and helped me. I haven't seen or spoken with him since. I hope I have enough strength to continue showing him "tough love". Thank you for letting me vent!
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 6:56 pm
Our "tough love" was as much self-preservation as anything. I discovered that my brother had taken advantage of my mother's Alzheimer's disease and taken her for 100 grand, then he stole handguns, shotguns, and her wedding and engagement ring. He didn't appreciate me cutting him off from our mother and testifying against him in court, so he told plenty of people that he intended to kill me. Rehab was a complete joke, as we found out that the "counselors" took the patients to the mall, and let them hang out on Main Street to smoke, etc. I have an order of protection for my mother and me, and now that he is out of jail and rehab, I continue to hear that he makes threats. So IMO, I have no sympathy whatsoever for addicts. No matter what their difficulties and weaknesses may be, I live with the fact that I will always have to protect my mother, and keep one eye looking over my shoulder.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, January 25, 2008 - 11:22 am
Wow! Nobody watched this show last night? Jeff really, really, really needs to break up with that GF. They are sooooo co-dependent, it's scary! I was so impressed with Daniel (right Bladwin brother???) this episode. He really seems to want to be there to help everyone. It's interesting to see someone who's got some sobriety there to kind of lead the others, while still interacting as a patient. My nephew, who is a recovered meth addict, is watching this show, too. He thinks Jeff's just not "done" yet. Hard to believe, but maybe he just hasn't hit the bottom yet.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Friday, January 25, 2008 - 12:58 pm
Missed the show, I hope I can find one of the reruns over the weekend. This is such an interesting show. Penguin, that is so awful! I'm glad you were able to get away! My heart goes out to all of you who have had to deal with relatives with drug addictions.
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Kady
Member
07-30-2000
| Friday, January 25, 2008 - 1:12 pm
the new episodes come on thursday?? i watched it sunday and thought that was the day. i guess it will be my day since i can remember it then.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Friday, January 25, 2008 - 2:00 pm
I feel like Daniel is a voice of reason amongst the addict there. You can tell he had some pretty good fetching up from his parents...and it really shows in that he is probably the most 'normal' one of the patients.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Friday, January 25, 2008 - 2:01 pm
Oh my goodness ... I watched last night for the first time. Jeff really, really, really needs to get rid of his GF. She's not helping him one bit!!! Can't they ban her from visiting him? I don't see her helping his situation at all! And it's so scary seeing how fragile he is. I hope he's able to continue and become a whole, healthy person again. My sister was also an addict for so many years. She's clean right now and we've reconnected our relationship. I pray that she continues her sobriety.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, January 25, 2008 - 4:20 pm
i does say something about the partcipants when Daniel Baldwin is the voice of reason.... In the 18 years since that first hit of cocaine, Daniel's life has been marred by failed public attempts at sobriety. His drug problem started making headlines following a very public overdose in New York City's historic Plaza Hotel in 1998, and he had another very public relapse in 2005 on VH1's "Celebrity Fit Club," on which he erupted during filming. Daniel admitted to becoming addicted to pain medication and eventually left the show. In the past year, his spiral has continued. On April 22, 2006, the Santa Monica Police Department arrested Daniel for possession of drug paraphernalia and being under the influence of a controlled substance. In July he crashed his Ford Thunderbird on Bundy Drive in Los Angeles. On Nov. 11, 2006, he was arrested for allegedly stealing a white GMC Yukon SUV, and for suspicion of drug use. In the end, criminal charges for the stolen car were dismissed; however, it led to a violation in his probation and the threat of a prison sentence. The actor became a regular in the tabloids, but for all the wrong reasons: "Cops Drag Baldwin Brother to Hospital in Drug Nightmare," "Daniel Baldwin in Theft, Drug Arrests" and "Daniel Baldwin's Run-In With Two Cars & the Cops." With the prospect of jail time hanging over him, Daniel checked himself into Renaissance Malibu, one of the most exclusive rehabs in the country with a price tag of $50,000 a month (http://www.maliburecovery.com/). It is just one of 25 rehab facilities located on a 10-mile strip of sunny Malibu that have seen their fair share of stars, including Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears, who checked themselves into nearby Promises. Daniel and his therapists agreed to allow "Primetime" to follow his progress from detox to release, and his investigation into the "wreckage of his past" — the pain he has caused to people in his life because of his addiction. ...... Daniel's battle with addiction has put a strain on his family and his relationship with all of his children. His first marriage was to his high school sweetheart Cheryl, with whom he had his daughter Kahlea. Four years ago she visited her father on a movie set in Toronto. She found her father's cocaine pipe and immediately left. Now 22 years old, she doesn't speak to her father. His second marriage to actress Elizabeth Baldwin was short-lived, and resulted in 13-year-old daughter Alexandra, who today lives in London and also has no contact with her father. Daniel also had a relationship with actress Isabella Hoffman, whom he met on the set of "Homicide: Life on the Street." They never married, but in 1997 Hoffman gave birth to Atticus. http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/Story?id=3382355&page=1 July 16, 2007 Actor Daniel Baldwin is celebrating after his wife Joanne Smith-Baldwin gave birth to a daughter on Thursday. The actor and his model-turned-chef spouse welcomed Avis Ann Baldwin into the world at Los Angeles' Cedars-Sinai Medical Center at 12:59 a.m. Avis weighed in at seven pounds and 10 ounces. The actor, a recovering drug addict, met Brit Smith-Baldwin when she cooked his meals during his stint in rehab last year. In a press statement, he jokes, "Thank God, she looks like her mother." The baby is Baldwin's fourth child and Smith-Baldwin's first. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=23574 4 kids from 4 different women...think he needs to learn birth control with his sobriety.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, January 25, 2008 - 5:25 pm
Texannie, both of my parents were alcoholics who gained sobriety back in the '60s when I was about 10. I literally grew up in AA meetings. I've learned over the years that people do some horrible things when they're high or drunk--or trying to get that way--but once they sober up and get healthy, a lot of them are wonderful people. Drugs and alcohol really do change people who are addicts. Part of the 12 step process is to reach out to those who are still suffering. I really think that is what Daniel is doing on this show. He's still struggling to maintain his own sobriety (I understand it's a daily struggle--sometimes, as Jeff said, "one minute at a time"). I really hope he's able to stay sober and heal his relationships with his kids. ETA: Wasn't it Jeff Conaway who had to be removed from Celebrity Fit Club because of his addictions? I don't remember Daniel Baldwin being on that show, unless it was before I was watching it.
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Bluejaxrock
Member
04-23-2004
| Friday, January 25, 2008 - 11:25 pm
Babyjax, we have more in common than our names - I grew up with an alcoholic father, went to AA and Al-a-Teen and Al-a-Non and eventually to AA for me...lol. (Vowed I'd never be like him and I was a carbon copy.) At AA meetings, they try to do what I see/hear Daniel doing - sharing his experiences to not only help others, but himself, too. Surprisingly, I haven't thought he's been too preachy. When I was in treatment in the early '80's, it was on a locked floor in the hospital...minimum 30-day program...no outside contact whatsoever for the first 7 days. I don't see why the rehab center cannot prohibit Jeff's gf from contacting him if she's basically his pusher. (I missed that part, so forgive me if I've got that wrong.) And after the first week, outside contact was limited to AA meetings held in the hospital for the public and a Sunday visit home on the 3rd week. Very rigid and regimented. It's hard for me to watch this because of Jeff, so I try to remember that but for the grace of God, go I.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 4:28 am
Vaca, I don't think they can ban Jeff's gf from visiting, since he is there voluntarily. He has threatened to discharge himself more than once. I think Dr. Drew is walking a tightrope, trying to balance out Jeff's perceived needs (to have his gf around) and his real needs (to keep her enabling self away from him). I love how sincere Daniel Balwin is being on this show. Maybe some of it is because he's an actor, let's face it. It may be that he is truly wanting to change. The third possibility is that he knows he has to sober up in fear of the next event being the straw that breaks the camel's back and he could wind up in jail. Regardless, he seems to be very smart and very caring towards Jeff.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 5:51 am
I thought it was Stephen Baldwin on Celebrity Fit Club? I definitely could be wrong on this.
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Lakecat
Member
10-01-2006
| Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 6:57 am
Babyjax both Jeff and Danial were on the show,but not the same season.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 8:30 am
Part of me just feels like Daniel is in more denial than the others because of his history and the posture he is taking now. He has a huge history of relapse and just doesn't seem to be (i guess for a lack of a better word) respectful or cognizant of that. I am not expressing myself well, I know, but I am more worried about him and Chynna than some of the others. Isn't one of the first steps to admit you are helpless?
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 10:54 am
Stephen Baldwin was on Celebrity Mole.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 11:11 am
Texannie, I've seen him do that (admit you are helpless--it's the first step). That's why he objects so strongly to Jeff's "bringing drugs in" (even though Jeff said he "didn't mean to") and other things that are a danger to his sobriety (Daniel's). He's actually been sober 18 months, but it's still a struggle (as I said above). In the previews for next week it even shows Daniel saying he thinks he needs to leave, because some of the things going on there are a danger to his sobriety. He really seems to want to make it. I really don't think he is "acting," cause with addiction you either quit or you die. I think he's seen that staring him in the face a time or two. He wants a better life.
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