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Curlyq
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07-10-2002
| Monday, July 07, 2008 - 8:23 pm
Do you think there's any relevance to showing a chain with a weak link? Could it be pointing to Craig? He's also the one who picked out the llama costume and found out that adults don't like it so much.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, July 07, 2008 - 8:55 pm
I took it to mean that the chain had to be broken each time one of the players got the key. What do you mean about Craig being the weak link? In that challenge or just lately? Yeah, if the llama costume was important I agree it would point to Craig or either of the two meant to wear it - was that Nicole and someone else or just Nicole?
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Monday, July 07, 2008 - 10:34 pm
It was to be Nicole in the front and Paul in the rear of the llama. I meant Craig as the weak link in general. Now that Bobby's gone, he's probably the weakest link (physically) they have now. Was the chain actually broken, or were they just unlocked from it? I'll have to go back and look at that. Glad I haven't erased it yet.
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Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004
| Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 6:23 am
It wasn't on last night right?
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 6:27 am
The only good thing about The Mole not being on last night was that I couldn't pick out the wrong person to be The Mole!
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 8:46 pm
Hmm. You know, that dossier also has a comment about how it was a shame there wasn't a children's birthday party nearby. Wasn't there a conversation about birthdays in this episode? Was that when Paul got into the fight in the van? I'm wondering if that might be significant, like pointing to the guys involved in the discussion of birthdays, or if someone's birthday fell around the time of that episode.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 8:25 am
I can't remember, Curly, and I've deleted the episode now. The first time I remember Paul talking about a child was when he took out that photo of his daughter during the chain task. Yep, no Mole this week. New one next week and a special episode (extra bits??) on just before the main show too.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 8:25 pm
I went back and watched again. It was Clay asking Craig and then Paul when their birthdays were. Craig told him his, but Paul didn't want to because he said he'd told him once before and that's it. That's when the fighting started.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 9:27 pm
Oh yes, I remember that now you say. Any mention of a child's birthday?
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 10:22 pm
Not that I can remember. I'll check again, though.
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Kookliebird
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08-04-2005
| Monday, July 14, 2008 - 2:40 pm
Why do they have these 2 week gaps between these type of shows? I can hardly remember everything that was going on and have pretty much lost interest in the show now.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, July 14, 2008 - 2:45 pm
I suspect that is why they are having a recap tonight - albeit with some new footage!
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Monday, July 14, 2008 - 2:47 pm
But still, they bring this show back and then destroy it with inconsistent time slots. It's just a pet peeve of mind.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, July 14, 2008 - 11:12 pm
The place where I normally read the text clue doesn't have any discussion about it this week. I wonder if they were put off by the missed week, Kooklie? The ABC clue card is: 334 631 244 with a horizontal line going through each set of three numbers, like they've been crossed out. For a while they showed N20 HL 70 on the bottom of a wine barrel. Don't know if it's significant, probably not.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, July 14, 2008 - 11:30 pm
Found the text clue, it's X13421. Allegedly the text clues point to who is executed, not the mole. I googled X13421 and several of the links are to guitar chords, so that does point to Alex.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 4:09 pm
On the original Mole show, I recalled one of their recap 'clues' (at the end of the season) as showing the bag of the person who departs next to the Mole's bag. (i.e. the Mole got this person) It is one of the few things that I remember from prior shows, so, I have been watching for it. Last night, they showed Alex's bag next to Clay's. I already knew that Alex was going home thanks to TVCH. So, is Clay the Mole? Hmmmm....
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 10:38 pm
Hmmmmm.... Could be. I'm still leaning toward Craig, but that would be a good clue. Kitt, all I can make of those numbers is that each row adds up to 10 and the columns add up to 11, 10 and 9, but I'm sure you figured that out already. What's the point of getting a clue to who gets executed after they've already been executed? Or do they release the text clues before the show airs?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 2:30 pm
The text clues are sent out a couple of days before the show. Apparently the last one with the CHNO something or other was a chemical, so that pointed to Kristen. The grapes one pointed to Bobby; Liz had heart earrings when she was evicted. I'm convinced enough now to not use them for mole hunting!
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 3:24 pm
Well, in a way I guess they could be a mole clue. They tell you who's not the mole a couple of days in advance.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 4:28 pm
The Mole Journal has been updated: http://abc.go.com/primetime/themole/index?pn=dossier Lots of info this time. There's a latitude and longitude which points to LA. But none of the contestants come from LA (according to their bios), the closest is Craig from San Diego. There's a picture of the ABC question from the quiz they had with the wine where Mark was on the treadmill. I think it might be hinting that we should eliminate Clay, as Clay wasn't at the test and didn't see the ABC question... however it gives the correct answer to the question so it might just be saying the mole could work out the answer, but more likely imo it says that the mole was there, knew the answer, but didn't say it. There are a couple of maps I can't see clearly enough to recognise. Anyone see which region they show? A note says that Alex should have a glass of wine on them (the mole). Who were the ones saying they wanted to get Alex drunk before the quiz? I think it was Mark and Clay??? It mentions the falls jump from episode one and the bungee jump, but all contestants did both. Was there any wine tasting in the episode? I don't remember any. There's a note saying: TASTING NOTES: MMMM..HENRY LAGARDE 2003 - DRY WITH A HINT OF ROSE AND JASMINE.... Henry Lagarde is a vineyard from Mendoza, Argentina. Is that where they were in the episode?
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Curlyq
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07-10-2002
| Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 8:08 pm
Is that supposed to be a picture of the mole? If so, that would rule out Craig and possibly point more to Clay. Clay was the only one wearing long pants and a helmet. Paul wore a helmet, but he also wore shorts. Of course, it could just be intended as a picture showing what they did, rather than the actual mole. I think one of the maps is of France. I can make out "CHAMPAGNE" and also "FRANCE" along the border. Unless there are places in Argentina called Champagne and France. On the show we heard Paul voicing frustration about not being able to help them with the answers to that quiz, just as they got to that ABC question. Nicole answered the question but said she could still only see 10. Craig was unsure. That would point to either Paul or Mark, unless the Mole was just pretending not to know it. In any event, it would point away from Clay. What's interesting is that only 9 of the ABC's are properly marked, and another is partially marked. So basically, these dossier clues point to everyone. 
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, July 18, 2008 - 10:28 am
Yeah, I wasn't sure if the stickman was meant to be stylised or actual. I think maybe the journal isn't intended to help us that much, it just gives teasers to keep us busy but not tell us anything.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 11:58 am
If anyone wants an advance look at the text clue this week it's "1245." It's meant to point to the evictee not the mole. Where I got the text from had someone saying that it pointed to the following person for the following reason (spoiler boxing it because it makes a lot of sense):
Spoiler Click below to view spoiler | Nicole, because in episodes 1, 2, 4 and 5 a woman was executed (Marci, Liz, Victoria, Kristen). |
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:23 pm
Yesterday I found a thread where someone had deciphered the last ABC website clue, the one with 334 631 244 crossed out. I can't find it again today, which is a shame as it had a good screencap which would have shown the theory clearly... so if you're interested you'll have to bear with me as I try to describe what it said. Apparently during the show we were shown a shot of Mark's journal, and he'd done a little chart where each day he'd given people a "1" if he thought they did something suspicious and a "0" if they didn't. Then he'd added up the 1s in groups, presumably because he thought the higher the numbers the more likely they were the mole. Anyway... so the page had the contestants' names on one side, the chart of ones and zeros, and then three digits which were the sums of the grouped ones and zeros. Like for Alex his row would be (guessed, I can't remember it): Al .0 1 1 1. .1 0 1 1. .1 1 1 1. 334 Kristen has been eliminated, so her row had a horizontal line through it, just like the lines crossed through the clue. Alex's sum was 334, Clay's was 631, I can't remember Craig's, and both Nicole and Paul had 244. Mark didn't have a number as it was his journal. So it seems likely that the crossing out of 334 and 631 and 244 means that those people will be executed (like Kristen) and are therefore not the mole. That would eliminate Alex (which we already know), Clay and either Nicole or Paul or perhaps both. Craig is not crossed off and therefore (according to this theory) not executed in whatever time frame the clue is referencing. The clearest bit of info, if this is true, is that Clay is not the mole. It leaves open Craig and Nicole and Paul, because Craig's number was not crossed out, and we don't know which of Nicole or Paul the 244 pointed to. It also gives no info on Mark. I wonder if it means the final three (winner, runner up and mole) are Craig, Mark and either Nicole or Paul.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 9:30 pm
Well, ya sure called that one right. I guess I'm glad I didn't read this until after the show. I really wasn't thinking Clay was the Mole, but I was just sorry to see him go. I would've rather seen Paul go home. I think the remaining contestants believe it's Craig, just based on how they didn't choose him to go back and recalculate that number. For them to trust Nicole over Craig really says something. Since Mark would've been the one making the chart, that explains him not being referenced. Craig not being referenced is naturally very suspicious. The 244 could point to either Nicole or Paul, but maybe it's meant to point to both being eliminated. Maybe Craig is the Mole and Mark is the ultimate winner. Clay was sitting in the center of the group at the execution. The 1245 clue is just 12345 with the 3 missing. There were 5 contestants left. Clay was in the #3 spot and got eliminated.
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