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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, June 23, 2008 - 8:32 pm
I moved a bunch of great posts (show details) over to the General Discussion (no Producer Clues) thread so that everything about tonight's show would be together. If another ambitious person wants to look for freeze framing clues etc., they can post those here.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 6:04 am
Kitt, I answered your question in the How Many Threads for The Mole. I moved your post to the regular discussion thread. There are no "producer clues" discussed in your post so it fits perfectly there.
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 9:56 am
Opening credit clues(perhaps): On the "One Winner" screen, a line points to the silouette of Kristen, suggesting she might be the ultimate winner of the game. During most of the "sabotage", "deceive", etc. cut scenes, the silouette kept flipping between Paul and Kristen. The only player whose silouette didn't appear during any of the credits was Mark's, but Nicole's only appeared once, while everyone else, including executed players, appeared multiple times.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 10:11 am
I thought I saw Mark. Seeing as we have a whole thread and nothing else much to talk about in it, I'll have another look later. Oh, and the website clue this week is: E F G P Q R Z O O I translate that to 5, 6, 7 16, 17, 18, 26, 15, 15 using the alphabet or 334, 777, 966 using the phone. I'm not very good at these letters clues. The latest text clue is: CF (11) 8 I'd guess the 11 was in brackets so that it's not mistaken for two ones, but it might not be that. We use cf in references when we want to say that we're getting a reference from a certain (other) publication. Could it be referring to 11,8 where 11,8 is a bible quote? Or are there other uses of "cf?"
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 1:59 pm
Now this thread is only being used for the external-source mole clues, shall we talk about the mole journal here too? There was one clue in there that pointed strongly to Victoria, but obviously that wasn't what they intended. They have also changed the wording of one phrase in it, which no longer eliminates several players from the possible mole list. I.e. basically it doesn't give away as much as we thought, and I think it now (up to episode 3) only eliminates two possible moles. It's possible when they put the episode 4 pages in that'll it'll eliminate more players though. Shall we talk about the Mole Journal here?
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 2:35 pm
Seems fair to talk about the journal here. I guess if we post something that is deemed too spoilerish, it can be moved by the mods. "cf" in baseball is centerfield, but I don't see how that could be significant in this game. As far as the journal: The Mole dots every "i". There are no capital "I's" anywhere, even when there should be. Don't know what that can mean. The mole mentioned about the soccer game that it was too bad none of the kids got a "red card", and in the journal there is a "yellow card". I don't know soccer very well, but that could mean something. There's a polaroid of a towel, and the Mole's comment was that it was too bad the Chilean towels weren't a little bigger. Speculation to Craig? I know the grape comment has to mean something...did someone get a "grape" massage at the spa a few eps back?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 2:43 pm
Went through the opening credits, I saw: . Kristen with "One winner" (with the Chicago profile that doesn't fit anyone) . Mark on the phone with "deceive" . Clay using binoculars with "deceive" still there . Nicole or Marci squatting with their hand out with "sabotage" . Clay or Alex with binoculars again (with the Los Angeles profile that doesn't fit anyone) with "missions" . Paul with a clipboard under his arm with "the" . Nicole on the phone with "figure out" and "deduce" . Craig on a walkie-talkie . Liz with her back to the screen, possibly holding a clipboard . Bobby using a camera with "tracking" and "vigilance" . Ali using binoculars with "investigate" and "remembering" . flickering/switching to Paul with a notebook . flickering/switching between Nicole or Victoria and Alex or Paul talking on the phone . Kristen again in the same shot as before . then: - Marci with W - Alex with WH - then WHO - Clay and 1 - Paul - Liz - Kristen then Craig then Victoria then Marci then Bobby with IS - Liz with just the S remaining - Ali with a C - then Craig - then Nicole then Kristen then Alex the Mark with TH - then THE - then MOLE I'm not sue which if any would be clues to the mole. Mark, Clay and either Nicole or Marci had negative words next tot hem. But I do like the fact that Kristen had "one winner" on her first image. (Plus she's my bet for the winner!)
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 2:45 pm
I had all but eliminated Mark from my thinking, but he is a soccer coach and would know soccer terms. I can't remember if he played in that challenge or not. Also, Mark is the one who wrote in his journal that Vic drank a lot the night that JK made his comment about Pisco Sours and the Mole being merciful.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 3:18 pm
That's true, if the pisco sours comment wasn't meant to point to Victoria it could mean Mark. But I've also all but eliminated Mark from my personal list because he's so intense. I know people like that and I think he would have to be a ridiculously good actor to pull that off so well - not just the big blow up last night but his consistent behaviour before that. In soccer, if you commit a bad foul you get a yellow card or red card, depending on the severity of the foul. Red cards get the player sent off the pitch immediately, whereas you'd get sent off only if you got a second yellow card. Did anyone commit a foul worthy of the yellow card on the page? I don't remember it. I thought the towel comment meant that if the towel was bigger it would be easier to catch the piggies. It was Bobby who got the grape massage. I wondered if someone said that they did or did not favour grapes during the luge challenge (as the mole said grapes were not their favourite fruit). But I can't remember a comment like that. Good spotting about the "i" not "I." I wonder what that means. I suppose it could just be the font??
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 3:27 pm
My best guess of the total price on the taxi receipt is 05630 pesos. The "admit one" ticket for the luge is numbered 66929. I don't know what either of those numbers mean, but they both have five digits(!). I can't really read what it says on the Restaurante Telar business card. I wish they'd put up the episode four pages!
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 6:36 pm
no clue about the CF, the first thing that came to my mind was "Center Field" like a baseball player, not sure how if it ties in at all.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 8:30 am
I guess the more "clues" shown on screen the more it's meant to create confusion for the audience... but that's a good catch (it takes patience even with a dvr), thanks Kitt
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 10:09 am
Pretty weak episode 4 journal entry. Can't gain any insight from it.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 12:26 pm
What!!??! That's pretty pathetic! Do they mean they're not going to provide a mole journal anymore?!? Or I guess it's just a week off because next week they will probably replace everyone's journals and the mole will have one again. If there's anything we're meant to notice on there I'd say the doodle is interesting. It looks like an alien robot shaped like a pyramid with a laser gun and some sort of sandwich. In fact the whole page seems like it has colours run on it.

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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 1:05 pm
reminds me of Wall-E, new Disney movie...hmmmm Disney owns ABC..hmmmmm
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 1:55 pm
Ah, maybe it's an advert then!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 6:16 pm
here is site with pics....what do ya all think??
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Madelane
Member
08-20-2001
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 6:25 pm
I think the fact that it got wet is significant, but I don't know what it means. Did anyone's journal get week last week? What about when they showed Mark disappear and then showed the water?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 7:12 pm
It's opening week for Wall-E, I think that must be who that little guy is. Or one of his friends. They were standing right by the river when the journals were burnt. Did they show Mark getting wet though? Maybe he cried on it when pouting about losing his journal .
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 7:24 pm
I'm trying to resist going back to that Mole journal, even though my last experience led to a false alarm. Still, after reading your posts I notice mention of unusual "i's". Could this have anything to do with the clue I LIE WITH MY EYES? Like maybe it should be read "I lie with my i's." I'm not sure what that would mean, though. If this has been discussed already I apologize.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 7:41 pm
Curly, go back to the mole journal, as well as the pointers towards Victoria being now useless, they also cut out the part about flying "blindfolded" on the luge. That either means they didn't mean to rule out the blindfolded players or they didn't mean to give it away - so as a result we now have almost everyone available for the mole. And there's only one new page for episode four, and it doesn't say much, so you won't be spoiled more than you were. The i's. Yeah, no one ever got anything out of that "i lie with my eyes" clue. We've seen clips from a couple of people's journals, I wonder if any of them had strange i's, particularly anyone who dots the capitals. I wish I'd kept the episodes now.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 10:46 pm
Dull weekend = willingness to risk spoilers. So I went through each page of the journal again. You're right. They changed that one clue, although there's still that piece of black cloth there like it's a piece of a blindfold. Maybe they're just trying to be more subtle about it? It's possible this journal will turn out to be clueless in the end, but it's worth a look. Pardon me while I think out loud (so to speak). For episode one the Mole refers to Kristen in the 3rd person, eliminating her unless the Mole is one of those people who speak of themselves in the third person. I don't get the point of that taxi receipt. I don't even remember them taking taxis, but it was a while ago so maybe I just forgot. There's also a blank piece of note paper with the same doodle in the corner. Did it have writing on it before, or was it always blank? How did the Mole get a piece of his/her raft's flag? Then there's a red herring clue pointing to Liz (little old Moles), and another pointing to Victoria (Houston boarding pass). It appears the Mole traveled a bit in the mid 1990's. For episode 2 the Mole shows that he/she knows enough about soccer to know what red and yellow cards mean, which is more than I knew. Then again, this clue might simply be there to remind us that there was a soccer game. The pigs may also just serve as a reminder of the challenge, but to answer the Mole's question it's the first little pig that goes to the market. Paul broke the first pig, no? A more telling clue might be in the message to Liz. First the Mole says "Liz, believe it or not, I'm going to miss you." Was there someone who wasn't getting along with Liz? The Mole also says that because of Liz slowing the group down the Mole didn't have to lift a finger. So that suggests the Mole didn't attempt to sabotage in that mission, which would tend to eliminate Mark and Kristen. For episode 3, an "admit one" ticket peaks out from behind a piece of dark cloth (blindfold?). Blindfolded contestants were Victoria, Kristen, Clay, Alex, and Paul. Under the Restaurante Telar card is a clue that may point to Clay or Mark ("no shirt, no shoes, no service") or may again just be a reminder of the mission. Three tens are tucked behind the note to Bobby. The Mole says "I don't think you even saw it coming." That suggests Bobby was completely on the wrong track with his Mole suspect. Do we know who he suspected? Grape stains on the page might just be there to signify that the Mole got Bobby. Then we have episode four's entry with that same piece of lined paper and the weird doodle in the corner. It looks like a pyramid shape with buckets or lanterns hanging off each bottom point. Strange that there's no farewell message to Victoria.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 9:58 am
maybe there will be a bring back a contestant thing and they will bring her back
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 10:28 am
I was wondering about that possibility. Isn't the show supposed to last 10 weeks but they eliminated two contestants in one show? Maybe Victoria is the Mole and they will find some excuse to bring her back?
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 11:25 am
Probably a two parter (to be continued) if were missing a week.
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