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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 8:46 pm
Curlyq, There is a whole thread on Television Without Pity about how Food Network has gone downhill the past few years. People who can cook well are being replaced by people who can cook quickly and cheaply. The lack of diversity on FN is astounding. They're FINALLY going to have someone doing Latino cooking. There is one black cook on the FN website, but I don't think she's made any new shows for FN for years...and I'm not sure any of her shows actually air at all. They used to have a show called Melting Pot where different cooks would make cuisine from all over the world, but that's also been gone for a long time. I would love to see them bring that back. It's pretty much either Italian or some form of Southern cuisine on the Food Network, and nothing else. I was kind of hoping Jag would win, not only because I find most of his food interesting, but because he would add some diversity to that white bread network. Once I found out about all of his resume "enhancements" it was all over for him.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 9:39 pm
Thanks for the tip Darclyte. I found the thread for this show over there. Boy, they really don't like these finalists! Such mean comments about Rory's appearance. I guess that's where the "without pity" comes in. I have no problem with cheap and easy food, as long as it's interesting. I love seeing something prepared that's not too complicated or fancy. It makes me feel like I can do it myself, and it's probably what appeals to today's viewers who are seeking an alternative to McDonald's but don't have the confidence or time to tackle something really fancy.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 12:07 am
You know, one of the things that I fail to understand as I grow older is why that we, as women, tend to judge other women so harshly. I have seen comments here about Rory's big teeth, gums and breasts (and on the first two she apparently was born with them and if she is such a reality show junkie you would think she would have had them surgically fixd, so she must not be THAT shallow), and Amy's teeth and curly hair. I have NOT seen any negative comments about the appearance of any of the men. Rory has been pretty much vilified for having been one another reality show (never seen it myself) but is it her fault that people accepted her on two shows? Why do we do this? Why must we judge each other (I'm only talking to the women here guys!) on such superficial things and tear each other down on these things? I don't know which of them is the better chef. Amy appears to have a wonderful ability to cook things that I would never eat, much less attempt to cook. Rory's cuisine is much more my preference. However, I've not tasted, smelled or come close to eithr one of their dishes, only watched them on television so I can't judge (butter on a steak? Can we say heart attack?...but I'll bet it tastes delicious) but I wish we could be more supportive of one another. Oh well, can you tell it is the middle of the night? My brain goes strange places in the wee small hours of the morning.
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:28 am
Roxip, Unfortunately, people have always judged others on appearance. I don't know of any blogs that are devoted to talking about everyday people and how they look, but this blog is about a tv show and its contestants. Food Network didn't track these people down and offer them to compete on this show because of their scary great talents as cooks. No, these people decided on their own that they "had what it takes" to host a tv show. Part of being on tv is being photogenic. Have you ever heard the phrase "a face for radio?" There have been a lot of talented people who never get on tv or into movies because they don't have the "right look" and an awful lot of low talent people who get into tv and movies more for their looks than their talent. Agents pluck people off the street or out of their waitressing jobs not because the agent saw how talented they were, but how they looked. Of course, there are exceptions (Kathy Bates is one off the top of my head) but look at people like Tara Reid and Paris Hilton. What talent do they have, yet they keep getting work and press. One of the best things about American Idol is that the show allows people to do well based upon their talent far more than their looks. Kelly Clarkson couldn't get a major record deal because she wasn't "pop star" looking enough. Heck, 15 million albums later, people still criticize her looks and her weight. Reuben weighs over 300 pounds, and nobody wanted to sign him. Fantasia is not a "classic beauty" by any means. Clay looked like a geeky nerd. Taylor looked like an older guy and nobody wanted to sign him either. There are tons of voice over actors who can't get in front of the camera because of how they look. Nobody trashes Anne Rice's books because she (was) a heavy set woman, she was judged by her writing. Heck, J.K. Rowling had to go by J.K. because people were afraid to try to sell a woman writer of that kind of fiction. Too often, perception becomes reality. If someone is looked upon as not "looking right," all the talent in the world may not be enough to help them out. As far as Amy's hair and teeth, and Rory's teeth, gums, and boobs...yeah, people are going to comment on them because they don't "look" like tv stars. And I've read comments from people who bagged on Michael "like a fish" for the way he looked, and talked about how Tommy was really fat. I've read plenty of comments over the years about Bobby Flay's "man boobs," and how Tyler Florence looks like he's gained over 50 pounds in the past few years. Even Mario Batali has gotten criticism for not only being overweight, but actually gotten heavier the past few years. When someone decides that they are going to be in front of a camera, they offer themselves up for criticism of their appearance, like it or not. And women will always get more attention about it than men, but men do get their share as well. In a perfect world, talent would win out. But this isn't a perfect world. If Paris Hilton looked like Kathy Bates, nobody would know her name. (And yeah, I'm a guy so I know you said you weren't aiming your comments to men, but we do it too.)
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:28 am
As I am a meat and potatoes lover, I was dying when I saw Rory's dish last night. It was easy to make and it looked oooooooooooohhhh so delicious. Someone hit the nail on the head when they said Amy's dish looked like two piles of slop with a white bowl. Jag's dishes are way too complicated to cook. Any dish that requires 37 ingredients, some of which you may not find in a grocery store, will never be cooked in my house.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:59 am
I felt so badly for Jag tonight even if he did do himself in. It is hard for me to imagine a Marine lying about his military service. I was very disappointed in him, and I have been a Jag supporter all along.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 6:17 am
maybe some of us women judge Rory on her looks because she made a point of saying in quite a few challenges that she was going to use her looks, sexuality, flirting to get over ...
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 6:47 am
I do blame Rory for going on two reality shows. She applied for TNFNS. And I don't think she's got the cooking chops and she's not Texan (she just lives there now). And yes, she DID say she would use her sexuality to get ahead. Jag dug his own grave. Knowing what I knew when I watched the show, you could just see him starting to freak out about publicity. Like, he knew all his secrets were gonna come out. And yes, I think he's a poser because he LET PEOPLE THINK HE WAS A WAR HERO. He totally took advantage of something that wasn't his to take advantage of. I've not been a huge Amy fan, but honestly, I think she's the lesser of two evils, so to speak. And whether Food Network is "white bread" or not, what Jag did during the radio interview was totally inappropriate. You do not bite the hand that feeds you. Honestly, I've really not enjoyed this season. I was less than impressed with the contestants overall. Oh, I'll vote. I'll vote for Amy because I absolutely do NOT want to see Rory any more!
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:07 am
Darclyte...well worded response. I understand all that but I still just dislike the fact that we do this (and I also didn't know that Bobby Flay has man boobs!).
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:40 am
Jag dug his own grave. Knowing what I knew when I watched the show, you could just see him starting to freak out about publicity. you knew about this before the show aired? i agree that Jag screwed up on the radio interview. he could have made his point without trashing his potential employer.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:04 am
I wonder about the segment with Racheal Ray. It was supposed to be live on a real episode of her show, right? Well, the end of the show, when it was revealing what happened with JAG, it said that "several months" after that episode was shot was when everything came out. So obviously this was filmed several months ago (which we all realize is how most of these reality shows are done). So, we should also assume the segment with Racheal Ray was also done several months ago. Was that show really aired on Racheal Ray's show? If so, then someone out here in TV Land would know who the F3 are, unless they didn't air that show. At any rate, the studio audience would know who the F3 are, unless of course they were all actors sworn to keep the secret of who the F3 were. I haven't really sat down and watched it with undivided attention yet. But what was up with JAG in the radio interview. Did he have hemorrhoids or something that prevented him from sitting down at the table?
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:40 am
The Racheal Ray show with the three contestants aired last week, and it actually showed more of the cooking segments. They were edited down for last night's show.
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Roteach
Member
06-01-2003
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:58 am
I hadn't watched TNFNS but I did watch Rachel's show that featured all three contestants. I really liked all of them.
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 10:15 am
I don't think Jag "trashed" FN on the radio. He's obviously inexperienced at dealing with the media, and I'm sure FN's lack of diversity is something that he's aware of. The XM clowns walked him into that, and he did fall into it with his original comment, but I felt that he did try to pull out of it with his second comment. My ex is Hispanic and she had been previously married to an Italian so she also wondered why there was so much Italian cooking, but no Hispanic cooking shows. Or Asian, or much of anything else really. So, I'm sure Jag being Hispanic that it stands out more to him than to us, and those XM clowns knew enough to lead him into that trap. he could have said a lot worse, believe me, there's plenty who do on TVWoP, and heck even people like Anthony Bourdain and some mainstream media have made some disparaging comments about Food Network's lack of diversity. In terms of all of Jag's "issues," his comment about the lack of Hispanic's on Food Network is one of his smallest faux pas.
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 10:27 am
I haven't seen this on here, so I'll post it. Rory posted this last week in response to a blog post from Chef Anthony Bourdain on author Michael Ruhlman's website (geez, that sounds convoluted.) So, this was posted after Paul was let go and she was in the final three: >>I love reading this sh!t! It's so funny to me that all of you are so sure you know whats what and how things are. First this is a EDITED TV show. They cut and paste ALOT. For us the finalist we love to see each week how the producers are going to create drama. Its fun for us and I must say these story producers are super talented. Well, I'm glad you guys are enjoying the show and make sure you tune in This Sunday there is a Huge Twist.........Huge......... Even Shocked the sh!t out of me! So enjoy and if i do make it to the final 2, haha to all of you that thought i wouldn't and If i don't Yeah Yeah watch me walk away with my Tail between my legs.... Either way it was a blast and i wish you all had a chance to see what really went down and who are the truely great chefs. Remember editing is everything, they can make a ant look like a elephant if they want too.<<
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 11:10 am
Food Network has Simply Delicioso airing now... definitely Latina. (And what she made this weekend looked yummy -- Ingrid Hoffman is the host -- except it wasn't vegetarian! Loved her jello shooters, though, that she called "chica shots.") WRT to Rory's posting on the blog... first of all, girl, clean up your language. Secondly, learn some grammar. And third, you know, editing is editing, but if you don't say those things they can't air them (as in her saying she'll use her sexuality or whatever to get her to the finals). And they certainly don't edit the disasters she's created in the kitchens (and not just things like fires, but the actual mess left behind). All in all, I just don't like Rory, would never watch her show, hate reality show contestants who go from show to show trying to win fame and fortune, and really don't think she's got the acting chops. Heck, I'm a vegetarian and even *I* can prepare a perfectly cooked steak or ribs!!! And to whomever mentioned the barbeque thing, yeah, I agree. I think there's enuf grilling and chilling, or whatever. And honestly, I've not seen much in the way of "bistro" and more "barbeque" in her "point of view." Annie, I knew because I came here to read the spoilers before I watched my recording of the show this morning. So I knew how it was gonna end, and knowing that, it was painfully obvious how uncomfortable Jag was when he heard that he'd be doing publicity stunts and being interviewed. As far as the interviews, yeah yeah... every reality show contestant always falls on his or her sword during the interviews. Dissing another contestant, saying something inappropriate, or whatever. But you CAN be interviewed and not screw it up (read: Amy).
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Msbullwnkl
Member
08-16-2005
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:08 pm
I don't normally watch this show, but my SIL turned it on last night after BB. I was wondering where I can find the recipe for the potatoes that Rory cooked on the Rachel Ray show?
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Woofy
Member
08-09-2001
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:24 pm
Here you go: http://tinyurl.com/yq8p5p
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:42 pm
Jag, Jag, Jag...you let a whole bunch of us down. Now it's just the battle of the teeth (and I can talk about teeth because mine are all crooked, too).
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:57 pm
Food Network was rerunning all episodes this season of TNFNS. And I happened to wander in while they were in the midst of the comp on the army base. So I stopped, rewound, and paid attention. Jag never said anything about Afghanistan (I thought he had). He said being on base and smelling the smells brought back lots of bad memories (paraphrased). He also said he was enlisted. The one falsehood he said was that he's spent "many years with MREs." Since he only served three out his four years, I think "many" is a bit of a stretch. So, I'll give him credit for not actually lying on tape. The one thing I won't give him credit for, though... he let Susie think the reason he got upset while on base was because he served in a war (more or less) and not because he had all these bad memories of his time in the service.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:00 pm
Who is Susie, Costa?
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Knightpatti
Member
12-06-2001
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:34 pm
THe one thing that annoys me about Rory is calling us "you guys" constantly. I am an avid fan of the food network, but Rory I would not watch. She just does not appeal to me. As for Amy, her teeth could be fixed.
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Uncle_ricky
Member
07-02-2007
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:46 pm
Hukd, Susie is that so-called "judge" who, along with that other "judge" (the one who can use his nose to open up a six-pack through a picket fence), broke the news to JAG that his "resignation" was being accepted.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Monday, July 16, 2007 - 9:02 pm
lol, UR! My mother always used to say that people with bucked teeth could eat apples through a picket fence. I guess it's all my mother's fault that I pick on teeth... I agree, Knightp that I would not watch Rory, but I would try Amy's show out. Yup, her teeth are fixable. Maybe we should change the name of this thread to something dental related. My niece is a dentist, so maybe that's why I'm into teeth.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 12:41 am
Gosh, I didn't even notice Amy's teeth. I'm with Roxip. This is the first time I can remember reading negative comments about the men's appearance. Women are always held to a much higher standard, and it's not just on television. Look at what a joke the music industry has become because female singers have to be gorgeous for some reason, while the men can look as freaky as they want. Goodness knows if all the Food Network stars had to pass such scrutiny to get on the air, Tyler Florence would be the only man there (and even he's not quite as drool-worthy as he once was). We wouldn't know Emeril from Mario from a stranger on the street. Whenever I see nothing but photogenic people on TV it makes me wonder what great talents we're being deprived of in the interest of keeping it pretty. If I want to see pretty, I'll look at models in magazines. One of my favorite people on Food Network is Alton Brown, just because he's interesting. His looks remind me of "Manny the Uncanny," but I always learn something from his shows. Maybe this show isn't the best way for this network to find its next star. Maybe they need to just recruit talent rather than taking applications. The kind of people they need are too busy running their restaurants and writing their books to think of competing on a reality show.
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