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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 3:17 am
OR behind the camera? or Makeup ? stylist?
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 7:10 pm
Spoiler Click below to view spoiler | final 2 ambreal and lisa. ambreal got the boot. |
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 9:16 pm
Oh, whew! I thought it was going to be someone else who went! My DVR filled up 45 min. into the program, so thank heavens for TVCH or I would be on pins and needles until Sunday!
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 9:31 pm
Back when the show started many of you had questions about Aspergers/Autism that I tried to answer. Tonights episode is a real clear example of Heather's Aspergers. One of the big issues is perseverating. Not being able to let something go, to continue to focus and let something overwhelm you; almost take you over. Where as the rest would look at that like, let it go already, or call it whining or being a baby. The reality is that is part of her disability. Her calling the shower, that was very black and white to her, she called the shower so therefore all should listen. Criticism or critique is often very hard for someone with Asperger's to take. Some will go overboard to prove why your criticism is wrong and others will not let go of what you said to allow themselves to improve. Heather has done an amazing job through all of this, but tonight was clearly an example of her disability, you can see why often people talk about the disability and relate it in terms of social skills.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 3:53 am
It totally frustrates me when Bianca & Co. pile on to Heather - I may do violence to my TV set one of these shows! To have Heather have a hard time, (and I thought it was VERY clear that her disability was playing into some of her struggles last night), and then see Bianca smirking and adding fuel to the fire when she is already upset - UGH!!!! 
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 7:27 am
I actually thought Ambreal had a great photo. Now it didn't really show the dress but her face had the emotion. Heather can't walk a runway. She does have great face though. I'm thinking Lisa and Saliesha F2. I think both are very beautiful.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 8:52 am
Thanks Stacey for adding to the information on Aspergers.. I also thought it was a clear picture tonight of Heather struggling, and struggling alone with the disability (kudos on linking it to lack of social skills - in this case it surely demonstrates the disability to Bianca's pile on - which for me is a lack of social skills!) I wonder if there isnt some background for Tara to be supportive of Heather - and I wonder what isnt shown in relationship to Heather's struggles - I also give kudos to Heather - and last night I noticed she was from "Valparaiso IN" - is that right? IF so, that is my hometown (and I havent been there in ages! Valpo has a university - small Lutheran, so it does have a college town feel to it, but it is a small town, I want to say 35,000 - back in the day that was one high school - graduating class for me was I think 4-500... it was a diverse community thanks to the University, unlike the small town next to it that I grew up in, Portage, IN - steel mill country - now its just the poor section of the county...
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 9:12 am
But if you remember some of the previous contestants failing miserably in some of the shoots or acting out a role they all had a similar reaction to the one Heather displayed. We know she has the disability and we tend to base her reaction on that, but others have had the same reaction..and worse. To me Heather films better than still photo, when the camera moves around her face you see the beauty that sometimes it's not captured by the photo. Unfortunately, it's her posture and walk that will be her undoing and she obviously lacks the 'spunk' that usually is needed in the world of fashion.. Tyra keeps talking about 'personality', 'outgoing', 'gutsy', all the things Heather has trouble with. She has, if filmed correctly, a stunning face, but the rest is not top notch. Ambreal going was only a matter of time. When I saw the dragon I knew right away it had to be China... everything happens there these days.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 9:47 am
What was the order of handing out the photos?
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Sportygirl
Member
06-14-2005
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 10:03 am
I'm pretty sure it was Bianca, Jenah, Saleisha, Chantal and Heather. Ambreal and Lisa in bottom 2. I really wanted to reach through the TV last night and slap Bianca upside the head when she perfectly gleeful when Heather was getting criticism from the Elite Model rep. It just shows her ugly side yet again. From the previews, it looks like Heather and Lisa (2 of my favs) have trouble during a Cover Girl shoot next week where they have to speak. I'm afraid that will be Heather's downfall after this week's struggle. This is one time I want the editing to be deceiving!!!
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 10:26 am
Is she from Valpo? Wow, I lived in Michigan City, Reader! The outlet mall opened up when I was in high school there, it was my first job! Now I have to love her even more!
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 11:30 am
Re Bianca being gleeful... I am not a Bianca fan at all, I like Heather (though I doubt she will win) but When I saw that gleeful look it thought that was total editing to make her look more bitchy.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 11:49 am
OK just went searching, and Heather is from Valparaiso, and a college student, not sure where she's a college student - wikipedia does a fantastic job of keeping the stats for ANTM btw - elim, call order etc etc... Wiki also said that Valpo has 23,000 and its 93% caucasian, so forgive me for listing that as diverse - I guess since it has a Mormon Tabernacle, and a Jewish Synogogue, and the University, it was the first time I had been with people that werent caucasian, and no one made a deal out of it - (not to mention the "gay table" at prom - and they called themselves that - it was a great group of kids, great memories back then - couldnt answer about now... altho I seem to recall a teacher being in the news for a bad thing...) Anyway, they (Valpo) had a higher income level than Portage, and I was often intimadated by that! IE The editing, they did edit Heather speaking as a flub, but when they showed it towards the end, I didnt think she did too bad - I think she was just fixated on she was a "Fire" sign, NOT Water - and couldnt believe she had to portray herself as a water sign, she was fixated on that, if she understood that the water was from the color of the dress more than anything - if it had been a red dress and the designer made the exact same design, but said you represent fire, she would've been much happier... imo only - just going out on that limb - but I agree, its still could be problematic in today's modeling society for Heather to be out there without a handler of some kind... at least I'm thinking
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 5:55 pm
I'm not sure how they could have edited that nasty, gleeful smile of Bianca's as anything BUT bitchy. As soon as Heather started getting criticized, Bianca got that nasty grin. Is there any other way to interpret that? And they praised Bianca's picture last night for that angry look she had, but she has had that same kind of look in other pictures when it was criticized. I think it just so happened that last night's photo shoot called for anger and that seems to be Bianca's specialty.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 8:08 pm
I really wanted to reach through the TV last night and slap Bianca upside the head when she perfectly gleeful when Heather was getting criticism from the Elite Model rep. It just shows her ugly side yet again. I agree, Sportygirl. Bianca's extreme jealousy oozes from her. So unbecoming. I want her to go soon. It would horrible if she won.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 9:27 pm
I sense that they are foreshadowing a Heather~ Bianca finale
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 11:42 pm
Back when the show started many of you had questions about Aspergers/Autism that I tried to answer. I have it. That is what I was trying to make clear. A person can have varying degrees of it. I could NEVER do what heather is doing, so I figure she is extremely a mild case. I have yet to fully research everything about it as I 'dont want to know' as I dont think it would help me at all at this stage of my life.
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Bombaycat
Member
07-21-2007
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 7:36 am
I really like Heather particularly since I have a friend who's son has Aspergers. Also, she is from my state. Assuming the show will follow the past format, I am worried Heather will crumble when they do the "go sees" while in China. I know in past episodes some of the best models had trouble with time management and dealing with the language barrier.
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Roteach
Member
06-01-2003
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 8:57 am
Yes, go sees could be very difficult for Heather. It is so fast and unplanned. She (and the others) won't know what to expect with each designer, plus there are language and cultural differences that might have to be faced.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 11:24 am
Yes there are all types of varying degrees of Autism and Aspergers.
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Trini
Member
07-06-2004
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 1:55 pm
I will cross my fingers for Heather on "GO-Sees" I hope she manages ok! Has anyone else found Ambreal to have changed since her first day? Her body and face (fat cheeks now) may have changed, she is not the same happy bright spirited woman she was. May be she does not like her make-over? To me the new hair does not suit her, it makes her look bland. She has lost something.
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Cindy
Member
09-20-2005
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 2:31 pm
I think there many different approaches to modeling. Not every modeling job is about go sees, and busy and rude people. If an agency likes her, they can work with her and find jobs that are unique to what she can do. I think Heather has a good chance in the real world because she is upfront as well. She will not be putting on pretenses. They will know what they are getting.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 3:25 pm
Her eyes have always been dead but in my opinion, she is an actress and a singer. Did she ever really want to be a model or did she think that this could be a stepping stone to further things? That little 'stage dance' she did as she left made me think that being on the show did help focus her resolve.
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Roteach
Member
06-01-2003
| Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 2:49 pm
Cindy you are right. I think that there is a place for Heather in the modeling world even if she does not win the competition. Given the right agency and people who truly understand Heather and her Asperger Syndrome, I think that she could do well being a model.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 9:55 pm
just caught an ep of this season... wow these girls are phenomenal looking very interesting looks lisa especially
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