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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 3:52 pm
I don't think that attitude and commitment are all that determine winning. While a woman can definitely win on any given week, I think it is almost impossible for them to win the whole thing. I understand the frustration of the women at this point....they know what work and commitment they are putting in, and see that no matter how much they try they just can't win the whole thing. That being said, it's the breaks when you are in a weight loss competition with people of all different weights and metabolisms. It's not an equal opportunity sport. They all need to realize that they are winners regardless in what they will take away in lifestyle and health. And like the breakdown of the men a few weeks ago, they're just all emotional at this point. Trainers included.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 4:02 pm
I second all that stuff that Jbw said...excellent posts! Plus....Seems to me that Brittany and Jillians relationship has crossed the professional line and become very personal and intense. It was great to see Betty Sue again. The brown team have done great at home. Neil not so much.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 4:08 pm
The problem with trying to get a Female BL....none of the women start out at 350 or greater. Usually there is at least 2 males that start out at those weights. You need to be able to lose 52% of you weight and still not be under weight to win this thing.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 4:28 pm
I think tomorrow should be a "cheese day" for all of us. I'm going to hit the Tillamook medium cheddar really hard.
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Makays
Member
07-12-2001
| Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 9:58 pm
I suggest that the Biggest Loser do an all female cast one year then an all male the next. It is a well known fact that males lose faster/easier then females. It is highly unlikely that a female would ever beat a male. Just the sad facts!!!!!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 11:29 pm
In Australia they had a woman who was larger than many of the men, so she had the potential to lose a bunch but she had up and down motivation..
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Jbw
Member
08-14-2006
| Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 11:56 pm
/i{It is a well known fact that males lose faster/easier then females.} Maybe over the first 3 or 4 weeks, but then it evens out. This game lasts 14 weeks at the ranch and then what an additional 2-3 months before the live finale. That's a 5-6 months game for the final two or three. If each week's vote was base on your cumulative weight loss then you can argue that this game might is unfair to the females but it's not. If you're a big guy that puts up huge numbers each week you have a potential target on your back. All it take is one bad week and you can go home. Case in point is Neil last season. He lost 10 lbs his last week at the ranch but that put him below the yellow line and he was voted out as a threat. At the finale he actually ended up with a greater percentage of weight loss than last season's winner and won no money. The true "unfairness" in this game is age. It's easier for younger people to lose weight than it is for older people. Don't tell me a 60-year old Lynn had an advantage over a 22 year-old Brittany because of his gender. Let's speculate a final two of Brittany and Roger for this season. How about when the two finalists go home to the real world for the few months before the final weigh-in. Won't the single 22-year old college student have an advantage over a 40-year old married guy with kids when it comes to free time to schedule workouts at the gym? Will Brittany match or exceed Roger's disciple to staying on the program for that stretch in the real world before the finale? The difference this year isn't the sex of the players, it's their desire and attitude to make a change in their lives. This was demonstrated when they all went home for a week. Look what Bob's team did versus Jillian's team when they weighed in back at the ranch. Don't try playing the gender card when the worse offender was Paul.
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Jbw
Member
08-14-2006
| Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 12:39 am
You need to be able to lose 52% of you weight and still not be under weight to win this thing. If you look at the 8 players left in this game, no one fits that bill. Roger started at 363 lbs. He'd have to drop to 174 to be at 52% weight loss. That's about 25 lbs. below his optimum weight level. Mark started at 285 lbs. He'd need to drop to 136 lbs. Two weeks ago when Mark was eliminated they showed a photo of him at 175 and he looked great. I can't imagine how bad he'd look at 136. I'm guessing his optimum weight level should be around 158. Jay weighed in at 293 lbs. on the first day. He'd need to drop to 140. Jay's taller than his brother so that should put his optimum weight level around 165-170 or so. Dan started the program at 310. A 52% weight loss would put him at 148 lbs. I'm guessing his optimum weight level should be about 160. On the girl's side, Kelly started at 271 lbs. A 52% weight loss would leave her weighing 130 lbs. That should be very far away from her optimum weight level. Brittany started at 221 lbs. A final weigh-in of 106 lbs. Impossible for her to get that low without being anorexic. Even if she somehow channeled last season's Kae's strength, she couldn't get near that number. Let's face it, she's only still in the game because the Blue Team were voting on friendship rather than on eliminating the weaker players. Maggie started at 239 lbs, and would need to get to 115 lbs. That's what within 5-8 lbs. of her optimum weight? Ali started at 234 lbs. She'd need to get to 112 lbs. to reach 52% weight loss. She's in her early 30's so I'm guessing the target weight should be around 130.
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Shel
Member
07-27-2005
| Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 5:21 am
The "target" or "optimum" weights are all relative. My "optimum" weight is 135. That's crazy. And too heavy for me. Right now I'm 140 (in recovery from surgery and have been partly immobilized for a five months). That's huge for me. As an athletic coach and active person, my best is 123. That is where I look and feel healthy. Just because some chart says you should be XXX weight, doesn't mean it's correct for you. According to the charts, I am practically perfect now and was unhealthy before. That's just plain old wrong.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 5:28 am
I don't understand how anyone can say a woman can't win. 1) need males and females who both need to lose the same % of weight 2) women lose slower so time frame needs to take that into account As long as the rules are fair.. a women could win. To say they couldn't is to say that a women isn't capable of reaching a weight goal. I know that is not what is meant, should say that within the time frame and contestant selection of biggest loser that it is highly unlikely a woman could ever overcome the disadvantages and win. JBW, I agree with your weight estimates keeping in mind that those numbers are the LOWEST end of healthy and their bodies would probably fight like he(( to get within the last 10 lbs of that. Also keeping in mind that I have been commenting on the weight-loss aspect... with the game play of course its always possible two people could win who had only lost 10 lbs the whole time. I felt a bit sorry for Britney this week. I realize she was having a bit of a stress-break over Bernie (and probably everything else building up too) but thought Jillian could have turned that around had she not left the team to put all her attention on Ali. And then Jillian blowing up at the weight-in also reflected badly on Britney when it had little to do with her. I kept thinking that if Bob was their trainer you just KNOW he would have given them a pep talk and then had them do some Yoga/meditation to recentre the team. LOL Especially with women and the way stress affects weight, this would have been so helpfull. ETA: Shel, you are right. But, all we can do here is go by the averages for most people of a certain height with medium bone structure. I have two daughters.. both 5'7". My 18 yr old weighs 107 lbs. She eats A LOT (and a lot of junk including at least a litre of chocolate milk every day, 2-3 boxes of cereal EVERY WEEK on top of what I cook for meals) and is relatively unactive. My 16 yr old is 128 lbs and joins multiple athletic teams every yr. She restricts her junk food and sticks to a healthy diet. Neither one of them would be healthy at the weight of the other.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 7:31 am
Normally I would agree that it is easier for young folks to lose weight than older folks. BUT if you look at this years group it would not seem so. Brittany, Maggie and Jennifer have not put up good numbers, yet the older men have, Roger and Trent and even the green dad. Also remember Jerry from last year...he lost a ton each week and he was more than 60. I know your metabolism slows as you age but these young folks (Brit, Mag, Jen) have not done so well them selves and I really wonder why. Are they really working that hard (6 hours a day or more) are they really eating correctly or are they snacking too much? Heck look at Kelly, older female, lost lots more weight than these girls. hhmm something doesn't seem right.
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Happygal
Member
11-15-2004
| Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 9:00 am
From what we've been shown, those young women are all <24>. I'm not in the least surprised to see them lose such small amounts of weight. I don't think we've ever been shown any of them really, really working hard in the gym for any length of time. If any of you have seen the Australian version, it is the same thing with the young woman on that show. The only reason she's still on the show is because other people have had larger targets on their backs.
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 9:15 am
I finally got a chance to watch the show and took notes on all the weight loss. Here's a chart for all the players as of the weigh-in that put Mark and Ali back in the game. The red players are out and the green show the 2 players that were added.
Name | Start Weight | BMI | Current Loss | | Current Weight | BMI | Current % Loss | | Final Weight 40% Loss | BMI | Still To Lose | | Final Weight 50% Loss | BMI | Still To Lose | Dan | 310 | 47.1 | 99 | | 211 | 32.0 | 31.93 | | 186 | 28.2 | 25.0 | | 155 | 23.5 | 56.0 | Mark | 285 | 40.8 | 90 | | 195 | 27.9 | 31.57 | | 171 | 24.5 | 24.0 | | 142.5 | 20.4 | 52.5 | Bernie | 283 | 47.0 | 88 | | 195 | 32.4 | 31.09 | | 169.8 | 28.2 | 25.2 | | 141.5 | 23.5 | 53.5 | Roger | 363 | 45.3 | 104 | | 259 | 32.3 | 28.65 | | 217.8 | 27.2 | 41.2 | | 181.5 | 22.6 | 77.5 | Ali | 234 | 38.9 | 67 | | 167 | 27.7 | 28.63 | | 140.4 | 23.3 | 26.6 | | 117 | 19.4 | 50.0 | Jay | 293 | 38.6 | 78 | | 215 | 28.3 | 26.62 | | 175.8 | 23.1 | 39.2 | | 146.5 | 19.3 | 68.5 | Curtis | 381 | 50.2 | 100 | | 281 | 37.0 | 26.24 | | 228.6 | 30.1 | 52.4 | | 190.5 | 25.1 | 90.5 | Jackie | 246 | 40.9 | 64 | | 182 | 30.2 | 26.01 | | 147.6 | 24.5 | 34.4 | | 123 | 20.4 | 59.0 | Trent | 436 | 59.1 | 105 | | 331 | 44.8 | 24.08 | | 261.6 | 35.4 | 69.4 | | 218 | 29.5 | 113.0 | Kelly | 271 | 43.7 | 65 | | 206 | 33.2 | 23.98 | | 162.6 | 26.2 | 43.4 | | 135.5 | 21.8 | 70.5 | Paul | 303 | 52.0 | 70 | | 233 | 39.9 | 23.1 | | 181.8 | 31.2 | 51.2 | | 151.5 | 26.0 | 81.5 | Maggie | 239 | 42.3 | 55 | | 184 | 32.5 | 23.01 | | 143.4 | 25.3 | 40.6 | | 119.5 | 21.1 | 64.5 | Amanda | 205 | 37.4 | 47 | | 158 | 28.8 | 22.92 | | 123 | 22.4 | 35.0 | | 102.5 | 18.7 | 55.5 | Brittany | 221 | 34.6 | 47 | | 174 | 27.2 | 21.26 | | 132.6 | 20.7 | 41.4 | | 110.5 | 17.3 | 63.5 | Mallory | 217 | 35.0 | 42 | | 175 | 28.2 | 19.35 | | 130.2 | 21.0 | 44.8 | | 108.5 | 17.5 | 66.5 | Jenn | 254 | 49.6 | 48 | | 206 | 40.2 | 18.89 | | 152.4 | 29.7 | 53.6 | | 127 | 24.8 | 79.0 | Bette-Sue | 261 | 43.4 | 49 | | 212 | 35.2 | 18.77 | | 156.6 | 26.0 | 55.4 | | 130.5 | 21.7 | 81.5 | Neil | 317 | 45.4 | 55 | | 262 | 37.5 | 17.35 | | 190.2 | 27.2 | 71.8 | | 158.5 | 22.7 | 103.5 | Lynn | 409 | 52.5 | 64 | | 345 | 44.2 | 15.64 | | 245.4 | 31.5 | 99.6 | | 204.5 | 26.2 | 140.5 | Jenni | 267 | 40.5 | 38 | | 229 | 34.8 | 14.23 | | 160.2 | 24.3 | 68.8 | | 133.5 | 20.2 | 95.5 | I'll post a new chart with just the final 8 using their weight at the end of the show. Ali should jump ahead of Roger, and Mark may take over the lead. Looking at Mark and Ali's current BMI and actual weight, it seems like they don't have much more to lose and may struggle keeping up with Roger and Dan
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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 3:53 pm
Good job, Bob. You've been working! That's interesting. I still think they will get rid of Maggie. She's still got fat to lose, and Brittany doesn't have much. If they want to win the game, Brittany is the one that they need in there.
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 4:25 pm
After including this weeks weight loss, Ali and Mark did indeed each move up a place.
Name | Start Weight | BMI | Current Loss | | Current Weight | BMI | Current % Loss | | Final Weight 40% Loss | BMI | Still To Lose | | Final Weight 50% Loss | BMI | Still To Lose | Mark | 285 | 40.8 | 97 | | 188 | 26.9 | 34.03 | | 171 | 24.5 | 17.0 | | 142.5 | 20.4 | 45.5 | Dan | 310 | 47.1 | 103 | | 207 | 31.4 | 33.22 | | 186 | 28.2 | 21.0 | | 155 | 23.5 | 52.0 | Ali | 234 | 38.9 | 74 | | 160 | 26.6 | 31.62 | | 140.4 | 23.3 | 19.6 | | 117 | 19.4 | 43.0 | Roger | 363 | 45.3 | 112 | | 251 | 31.3 | 30.85 | | 217.8 | 27.2 | 33.2 | | 181.5 | 22.6 | 69.5 | Jay | 293 | 38.6 | 84 | | 209 | 27.5 | 28.66 | | 175.8 | 23.1 | 33.2 | | 146.5 | 19.3 | 62.5 | Kelly | 271 | 43.7 | 69 | | 202 | 32.6 | 25.46 | | 162.6 | 26.2 | 39.4 | | 135.5 | 21.8 | 66.5 | Maggie | 239 | 42.3 | 55 | | 184 | 32.5 | 23.01 | | 143.4 | 25.3 | 40.6 | | 119.5 | 21.1 | 64.5 | Brittany | 221 | 34.6 | 49 | | 172 | 26.9 | 22.17 | | 132.6 | 20.7 | 39.4 | | 110.5 | 17.3 | 61.5 |
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 4:31 pm
I think we can all agree that BOB RULES!!
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 7:00 pm
That would be Bob the coach of the blue team, right? Once you get the spread sheet set up, it's pretty easy to manipulate the numbers to look at different scenarios. One thing that has always seemed funny is that the weights are measured to the pound. It really doesn't allow for enough variation. Even using 1/2 pound increments would be better, 1/4 pound would match up to the .1 KG used in the Australian version. For example, I have another chart!
| | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | Ali | 160 | 0.63% | 1.25% | 1.88% | 2.50% | 3.13% | 3.75% | 4.38% | 5.00% | 5.63% | 6.25% | Brittany | 172 | 0.58% | 1.16% | 1.74% | 2.33% | 2.91% | 3.49% | 4.07% | 4.65% | 5.23% | 5.81% | Maggie | 184 | 0.54% | 1.09% | 1.63% | 2.17% | 2.72% | 3.26% | 3.80% | 4.35% | 4.89% | 5.43% | Mark | 188 | 0.53% | 1.06% | 1.60% | 2.13% | 2.66% | 3.19% | 3.72% | 4.26% | 4.79% | 5.32% | Kelly | 202 | 0.50% | 0.99% | 1.49% | 1.98% | 2.48% | 2.97% | 3.47% | 3.96% | 4.46% | 4.95% | Dan | 207 | 0.48% | 0.97% | 1.45% | 1.93% | 2.42% | 2.90% | 3.38% | 3.86% | 4.35% | 4.83% | Jay | 209 | 0.48% | 0.96% | 1.44% | 1.91% | 2.39% | 2.87% | 3.35% | 3.83% | 4.31% | 4.78% | Roger | 251 | 0.40% | 0.80% | 1.20% | 1.59% | 1.99% | 2.39% | 2.79% | 3.19% | 3.59% | 3.98% | This chart shows what the % loss is for each player given their current weight and losing from 1 to 10 pounds. Since Jay is just 2 more pounds than Dan, he will have to lose 1 more pound than Dan to have a higher percentage loss. If Allie loses 6 pounds, all the guys will have to lose 8 pounds except Roger. He would have to lose 10. If 2 of the 3 remaining girls can put up good numbers, it would probably force 1 of the guys into the bottom 2. It would be interesting to see what the blue team would do now that it is so close to the end. It would be the strongest test to their "pride" yet.
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Dovez
Member
08-27-2005
| Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 10:13 pm
nope, not making that mistake again. it's my bob2112 who rules here. 
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 7:56 am
Ugh @ Mark being back in. (I honestly may stop watching) Though he looks FANTASTIC Also not a fan of Alli either. LOL
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Anniem
Member
05-21-2006
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 8:59 am
I'm kindof turned off on the whole show this year. I didn't like Mark first time around, and don't think I'm gonna like him any better this time. I really think that Bob is out for a win this year, and I can't say that I have seen that in him before. I couldn't believe Jillian last week. She was really over the line IMHO. Oh well, I will no doubt watch the rest of it, but would like to see them get back to real people wanting to lose weight next year.
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Bombaycat
Member
07-21-2007
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 9:09 am
ITA Anniem. This show has become more about product placement/endorsement and winning the game. There is less focus on people losing weight and making life changing decisions. Like several of my favorite reality shows, this one is headed in the wrong direction imho. I hate that this is happening. As an older, handicapped, extremely obese woman, it does my heart good to see these folks take charge of there lives before it's too late like it is for me.
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Bombaycat
Member
07-21-2007
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 9:13 am
Oops - meant to say their lives not there.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 9:24 am
I agree that this has been a wonderful inspirational show. I wish they would lean more toward focusing on the personal accomplishments of the contestants and less on the "game".
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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 12:06 pm
I agree completely. I think it all plays into an unhealthy view of fitness and weight loss. It is OK to go a week or two without losing a pound on the scales during a weight loss cycle and sometimes even healthy. The important thing is hanging in there during those times...not giving up. And sometimes the person losing the most weight is not the one doing it in a way that is good for their body. I'd way rather they take the competition between them all out of it and just follow a group of them through a few months of working at weight loss. To me, that is the interesting thing....to see in others what how we sabatoge ourselves from living our most healthy lives.
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 5:06 pm
Dear Bom. One is never too old to change. This is the first day of the rest of your life.
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