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Sweetbabygirl
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08-31-2002

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 6:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sweetbabygirl a private message Print Post    
Hey Keenyah, a black woman won after all....and it wasn't you!!

I hope this eats her alive, each and every time she sees Naima on ads!

I am very happy right now....and Kahlen, you will get lots of work, so don't sweat it.

Jbean
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01-05-2002

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jbean a private message Print Post    
i was a bit disappointed. i really liked kahlen and wanted her to win so badly. i always like the dorky girl. lol!

i wondered if they chose naima partially because she wins the cover girl of the week every week and they know america likes her the best. (apparently?) oh well, i do hope kahlen does get lots of work.


Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 6:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
This is filmed before they do the cover girl thing, it is a weird coincindence though

Jbean
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01-05-2002

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 6:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jbean a private message Print Post    
well, that is good to know. glad their opinions weren't influenced by that.

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 7:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvmykitties a private message Print Post    
my personal opinion (not being experienced in the world of modeling) -
Kahlen seemed more versatile and the judges kept talking about what a strong portfolio she has - so I think she'll get some work. I HOPE!

I disagreed with the judges comments during the final 3 after the commercial and beauty shot. I thought Kahlen seemed most natural in her speaking and posing and also looked most like a "Cover Girl" in her beauty shot. (I thought Keenya was all-around unnatural in the commercial - although that's not what the judges seemed to think)
I thought Naima's beauty shot looked very retouched.

LOL - I'm watching UPN 9 news and they showed all the girls down in Greenwich Village partying and Brittany is behind the newscaster hamming it up.

If my make-up was done, I would have thrown on some clothes and ran down there. ;)

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 9:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alisons a private message Print Post    
Naima looked like she had very obviously capped teeth in the beauty shot. I felt she was overrated all along, but it was obvious Tyra preferred her.

I really would have rather seen Kahlen win, and I loved their logic - Kahlen has done better week after week so we will give it to Naima based on this one night. I think "Model Logic" needs to join "Batman Logic" as a running joke.

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 9:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
I tuned in fully expecting to see Keenyah in the final two but am glad that Naima won. Unlike the judges, I liked Naima's photos (with the exception of the Cover Girl one) more often then Kahlen's. I also think she is much better on the runway but that's because I prefer how dancers move to how runway models move. Yep - Kahlen will have no trouble finding work. Good luck to both of them.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 11:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
they chose naima partially because she wins the cover girl of the week every week

I think that Tyra kinda gave the Winner away when she said how Naima would be related to by many young girls.

Kahlen will get work no matter what. Look at YaYa and others from last year. It is possible to still get work.

As for Naima's Beauty Shot, I didnt even think it looked like her. They changed her teeth!! they arent capped and are definitely not that white. The photograph was obviously touched up so that none of her beautymarks and moles were seen. I dont know. It just seems silly to have a pic taken to show your beauty and they touch it up so that it doesnt even look like a person....more like a doll.

GLAD that naima won.

kahlen was a trainwreck each time she appeared for judging. Didnt do her makeup...didnt bother with her hair. In front of the camera and judges-- Giggling, rolling eyes and making faces like a child. Just my opinion.

naima had a quiet calm centered way about her. People LIKE to work with people like that.


Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 12:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I've thought Naima had it in the bag ever since the time they had that fake tennis photographer who deliberately tried to frustrate the girls. I think Naima was so composed that day, and she has shown great poise ever since. Her complexion is lacking, but then again, Kahlen looks like a sheepdog, so I don't like her either. I liked Keenya, but even she put on weight which was unacceptable in the modelling world (unfortunately).

I hate to admit this, but my fave was Brittaney. She cracked me up. And whatever, those models are all party girls. She just needs a little polishing.

JMHO

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 3:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Buggles a private message Print Post    
I thought Kahlen would win but I like them both. I agree that Tyra tipped the balance. I must say I am really liking Janice... season after season she is the strong voice for the "nice" looking blonde!! Given that she is an 'edgy' brunette that is especially cool. I am so put off hearing Tyra calling lighter coloring 'boring.' IMO Naima's tri-racial look is very striking but to suggest that everyone is 'bored' looking at blondes is absurd. What must Heidi Klum etc be thinking if they are watching??! lol!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 5:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I am glad Naima won, she rocked that runway, I thought she did better runway than the last 2 winners.

I have a feeling Janice will help Brittney make it big

Yesitsme
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08-24-2004

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 7:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yesitsme a private message Print Post    
Well, I have decided that I don't have what it takes to be a judge for ANTM. Throughout the season I seemed to notice Naima more than Kahlen, and though I agree that Kahlen's pictures that they showed were probably a shade better than Naima's I felt that Naima shined a bit more in the challenges and overall was the most memorable. But I agree with Luv...when it came to the Cover Girl shoot, I actually thought that Kahlen was the one that sounded the most natural in the commercial and looked the freshest and most at ease. I actually thought Naima looked stilted....esp. in that shot where her strap broke. Naima did command my eyes more in the final fashion show but I think Kahlen made me aware of the clothes...and isn't that really the point of a fashion show? All that being said, I could have made a case for either of them to win. I liked them both.

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alisons a private message Print Post    
Well, hopefully now that they have gone totally exotic with the black/Irish/Mexican model with the mohawk, they will not feel like they have to systematically purge all the classically good looking girls from the competition. After all, the only way you could look more racially mixed at this point is to be part Martian.

Laura11103
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08-13-2002

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Laura11103 a private message Print Post    
The right girl won IMO. Naima deserves this, she's got it all!!! Kudos to ANTM once again.

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 10:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvmykitties a private message Print Post    
Glad I'm not the only one who thought Naima's Cover Girl shot looked retouched. And that's the ad that's going to run in magazines!? Wasn't the point they kept stressing for Cover Girl makeup - "natural" and "fresh" looking? It looks like she was airbrushed.

I really liked both girls for different reasons. I was hoping that they would do an unprecedented finale and have both girls win!
Since they seem to excel in different areas, hopefully Kahlen will get lots of work anyway.

Personally, I thought Kahlen had a better body and as Yesitsme said - I was more drawn to her bathing suits and wardrobe because of it.
But I loved the way Naima carries herself and rocked the runway. And I like her edgy - yet adaptable - look.



Jan
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08-01-2000

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
I wanted Naima to win so this was a great show for me (especially since I had it taped and, therefore, knew the winner before I watched - my fav way to watch a contest show!!)

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvmykitties a private message Print Post    
One of the things I really don't like about this show is that they admitted to retouching the photos. Isn't this a contest for "potential"? When they said they had to do a lot of retouching on Keenyah's stomach, I was thinking "WHY?" We should see - and they should be judged - on their best shot AS IS.

I know ads are retouched all the time (I used to work in print advertising). But it's usually not to totally alter the way a model looks.

IMO - I think sometimes a bad picture was due to the make-up &/or wardrobe, and that's not fair. One that immediately comes to mind was poor Lluvy - "the worst photo in ANTM history" - during the horoscope shoot. Well she was the ONLY girl to have sequins (or whatever those were) cover her ENTIRE face. How much expression can you give if you can't move your face? And having half her face covered in white sequins didn't help give it any punch.
I wonder if any of the girls would have been able to pull off her costume.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 10:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Not only was the cover girl pic retouched but they selected a different one since the first one shown wasn't good enough for the judges. Naima was the only choice left and a poor one at that. When they selected not so great looking girls so that the winner wouldn't be obvious to the audience they ran the risk of ending up with a flawed "super model", no matter which they choose. They had to make the best of the cover girl pic by retouching it a lot. And they keep saying, she has some qualities but not 'outstanding', and that's what they end up with, a not so great super model, still not as bad as the others.
The producers should stop selecting average looking girls but go for some really stunning girls .... for a change. Hey, they're already taking applications for the next series...... any of you ladies??
Not me... but let's hope for a better bunch next time...

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 11:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Buggles a private message Print Post    
Just want to add that Keenyah I thought looked so much more attractive in the face with the extra weight there at the end. IMO she went from plain pretty --> stunning.

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 11:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
Re: Retouching of the Cover Girl shot. The shots last year were heavily retouched as well. In fact, I think they do a lot of retouching all the way through on these shots. I don't think that's a misrepresentation of the industry, though, but I would rather see them use the natural shots for the show. Or, maybe show the before and after versions.

One of the things this show has an opportunity to do -- and Tyra seems to think she is doing, based on her comments -- is to show that all kinds of girls can look and feel beautiful; that beauty comes in a lot of different flavors.

For example, I didn't much care for Luvy's look, but she IS beautiful in her own way. Each of the girls has something different, none of them are your postage-stamp "ideal beauty". But each of them looked gorgeous in various shoots.

By retouching the photos, though, I think the message Tyra seems to be trying to convey about a variety of types of beauty is muted.

Anyway, I was rooting for Naima, so I'm glad she won. :-)

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Buggles a private message Print Post    
<<One of the things this show has an opportunity to do -- and Tyra seems to think she is doing, based on her comments -- is to show that all kinds of girls can look and feel beautiful; that beauty comes in a lot of different flavors.>>

Max, I would agree & I love this aspect of the show... except for Tyra's repeatedly calling blondes, wholesome looking, or classically attractive girls 'boring.' I don't see her agenda so much as trying to broaden notions of beauty, but rather trying to redefine it. This may be a weak analogy, but it is like in trying to prove that black people can be very smart you have to call white people dumb.

Her constant characterization of lighter coloring as 'boring' is just completely prejudiced and unwarranted IMO, esp when it came to Brita and Rebecca. What are young blonde girls watching this supposed to think? Tyra's lack of sensitivity is irresponsible. Imagine if Heidi Klum had a modeling show and called all of the black girls 'boring' looking. Tyra would be outraged.

IMO she should be sending a message that ALL types of beauty are special.

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
i was good with the outcome of this show, but it allways bothered me what they did too michelle, did any one see her befor the dye job, she was real pritty, and that white/blond hair made her hidious...i didnt think michelle ever had a chance winning, but i just really felt they screwed her up, and it allways bothered me...

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 6:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
they did same thing last year when they bleached the girl with the lite eye's hair, she looked way better with dark hair

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Friday, May 20, 2005 - 8:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Buggles a private message Print Post    
agreed Pamy.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, May 20, 2005 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Aww I thought Kahlen would win but I was happy with the F3 so a Naima win is good. Even though her hair bugged the hell out of me.