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Sportygirl
Member
06-14-2005
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:07 pm
I'm so glad Heather's team won the spokesperson challenge and that her name was drawn as the photo shoot winner. Having the photographer place her head in a certain position gave her better insight into how Tyra and the judges want her to do more frontal photos and that just boosted her confidence. I was also surprised at how well she did in the spokesperson practice with Tyson because she comes across as so shy and awkward at times. She did an awesome job selling that wine glass! GO HEATHER!
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:20 pm
Tyra was definitely annoyed that Ebony waited until the last minute to say she didn't want to be there. Ebony had more than enough opportunity to tell them prior to the final 2 to let them know that she did not want to be there. My guess is that she did everything in her power to make sure that Tyra would send her home. Then, it would be easy as she would not have to put herself out. However, when they gave her a second chance, she had to speak up. So, I don't think that Ebony handled the situation very well. But then, I don't think Tyra handled it very well either. She definitely was mad, the cameras only showed a split second of her reaction. I suspect there was a bit more than they showed and it was edited down to make Tyra look good. Calling someone a 'quitter', that's a Donald Trump move. It was uncalled for. People do like the 'idea' of something, but when the reality hits they realize that they do not really want it. That's what I took from Ebony. I seriously doubt that Ebony will ever model again, unless it is on some local level where everyone thinks she's great. Having said all that.... Tyson Beckforth - Wow.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 1:07 pm
I'm telling you all that I need to shut up about how hot Tyson is before my dh gets jealous,lol. He wouldn't care but I can't stop thinking about that gorgeous hunk!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 1:30 pm
I guess I'm the only one AGAIN on a particular side LOL Ebony thought she was going to go. She knew she did crappy at the shoot and Jay was even more snarky and sneery. Why rock the boat and Quit when you are Sure you are going home this week? I think everyone remembers back to the first episode when Tyra and the panel interview the girls one at a time?? Ebony was crying and upset when Tyra asked her about all the tragedy in her life. Her mom just died because of being a crackhead or something??? Tyra KNEW Ebony had serious emotional issues due to the bad childhood. I am not the least bit surprised that the weeks of snarkiness and criticisms would get to a person emotionally damaged. We've all seen how even the strongest personalities start faltering at this point. I am pleased that ebony took a stand and didnt get bullied into staying. I am sure we had a edited version end up on the show LOL and sadly, I also am the only woman here who didnt think Tyson was that attractive in real life. he looked stocky in those clothes and puffy in his face. I disliked the sleaziness of the spokesmodel crap in the house. I know his pictures but the man and his personality did nothing for me. BAD ME!!!
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 1:52 pm
Sunshyne - We are sort of in agreement. I do agree with your comment of "Why rock the boat and Quit when you are Sure you are going home this week?" I thought that was why she did not say anything prior. But, I do think that is not a good way to handle it. And, I do agree that the snarkiness and critcisms of the judges are at issue here, not just for Ebony, but for all the girls. The judges tend to hide behind "you need a thick skin to be in the modeling business". So, they are snarky and call it a learning process for the girls. I've always thought they just want to critize more than they want to praise the models. Since most of the girls are novices, I would like to see a bit more of the 'teaching' that they say they are doing during the show. It always amazes me that the judges talk as though they are showing the girls all the ins and outs of what they need to do. But, in this episode, it was clear that the photographer who came up and physically showed Heather how to hold her face taught her more than the judges telling her not to look to the side in her photos. As far as Tyson was concerned, he reminded me of Taye Diggs, who I like alot. I liked him on panel, not so much in the house thing.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 5:54 pm
Having modeled before, I can speak with some certainty... You have to have a thick skin. You cannot take anything personally. You will hear all sorts of things. One client will say you're too skinny. The next one will say you're too fat. One will say your eyes are too big, while the next one says your eyes are your best feature. Modeling is a, for the most part, largely subjective business. If you can't handle the constant poking, prodding, and rejection, you have no business even attempting to go into it. And at this point, since none of Tyra's winners have made supermodel status, these girls need to understand what it's really like. And it ain't pretty if you ain't on top.
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Nerovh
Member
06-12-2005
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 6:19 pm
Ebony wants to model, she just doesn't want to be corrected or criticized. She had been making those funky faces every single time she was in front of panel when all she had to do was plaster on some kind of a smile once in a while. I'm glad she's gone.
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 6:46 pm
I kind of think Tyra had picked Ebony for the show because she knew she would be a little different. Not in the modeling aspect either. To me, Ebony just looked uncomfortable everytime-something very odd about her. The judges often contradict themselves..just like with Chantal last week-the photographer and Jay were telling her opposite things....okay she needs to "work it" but as someone starting out, you don't know that.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 7:45 pm
first time I ever saw them show the audition video after they were kicked out...they prolly showed hers cuz she said 'I wont disappoint you, Tyra'
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 7:51 pm
I don't watch this show but I think Heather is really stunning just from her pic up top. Hope she wins.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 8:18 pm
Doing my comparison thing again...Chantal was reminding me of somebody and it was itching my brain, but now I realize it was Jenifer Elise Cox from The Brady Bunch movie! 
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Dolphinschild
Member
06-22-2006
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:45 pm
Ebony knows she is beautiful and she thinks she just has to be beautiful and she doesn't need to work towards it all. She thinks she just has to show up and look at the camera and her looks will get her by. It is when she was told that her looks just won't get her by that she has to actually do something, she became pissy with judges and everyone else. She doesn't like critizism or being told what to do and she especially doesn't like to work for anything. Just have it handed to her. That is at least what I saw in her from the shows.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:25 pm
i see it as the people trying to browbeat the Models into Grovelling for them. thru the years we have seen different strong personalities fight back. IN eva's case she turned her anger against other contestants and was syrupy sweet to the judges. We've seen others who just plain refuse to grovel at judgeing and they go promptly LOL Victoria is a great example. She stood up for herself when being labelled 'timid' (or whatever) and they hated her spunk. to me the most successful model in the show is someone who seems none-too-smart and just generally 'moldable'. you cannot have a strong personality, you HAVE to be someone who keeps your mouth shut. I feel that is why not one of the Top Models have ever been highly successful. Every winner has been a recessive personality instead of someone who has the strong personality to Fight for a job and Promote themselves!
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:47 pm
ITA, Sunshyne4u. They don't seem to want someone who has a mind of their own and isn't afraid to use it. Victoria was my favorite and she was so much more beautiful and took better pics than some who are still there.
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 6:56 am
Sunshyne4u I agree with ***also am the only woman here who didnt think Tyson was that attractive in real life. he looked stocky in those clothes and puffy in his face. I disliked the sleaziness of the spokesmodel crap in the house. I know his pictures but the man and his personality did nothing for me. BAD ME!!!*** Yup your not the only one!
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 7:27 am
I agree also that Tyra & Co. do a lot of "labeling" - they made Ebony into "the girl who doesn't like criticism". First of all, even people who accept criticism well don't LIKE it, and second, most of the criticism on that show is not constructive. There have been many MANY girls on that show who have bitched more about the comments they received. Jay's favorite Ann was one of those, remember? And Victoria - they could not stand that she did not *need* their approval! It TOTALLY threw them for a loop that she did not buy into their armchair analysis of her personality. They say want "strong women", but what they really want is women who will allow themselves to be labeled without uttering a peep.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 9:44 am
When I saw Ebony and Ambreal as the last 2 I assumed Ebony was going since she gave plenty of signs of not caring anymore and actually was hoping to get booted and so I didn't understand why Tyra tried to keep her. We saw how judges evicted those who showed insufference and not really wanting to comply or cared enough for the job, so I didn't understand why they wanted to keep Ebony. Was Tyra expecting a happy reaction from Ebony for being saved by the judges or was she expecting Ebony to quit and so make a point that quitters are not welcome. It was humiliating for Ambreal to know that she stayed only because of Ebony quitting and that she won't last much longer. As for Ebony quitting I say, why not? You can change your mind about something you no longer believe in. I agree with those saying that there isn't much teaching or guiding for these girls who are expected to perform as professionals, whatever Jay tells them is always during the photoshoot when they are very sensitive and easily discouraged if they don't give their best. They should be given prior demonstrations as to how they should pose or what's their best angle. The photographer doing Heather's photoshoot did some teaching and that's how they get the best shots. By the way, I thought it was not luck that Heather was picked... I'm the usual skeptical but I thought they wanted to see the real potential for Heather, they were satisfied but I didn't really like that frontal shot of her face. I still can't spot the winner.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 9:52 am
It would have been a real hoot if Ambreal had left with Ebony saying that they voted her out so she was gone ~ buh bye. I would like to have seen Tyra's face then.
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 9:55 am
I would have loved to see the shots from Heather's solo photo shoot, she looked so gorgeous. She really has come out of her shell. I disagree with the assessment of Victoria and the judges not liking her because she stood up for herself. She came across on TV with whatever editing as a real little snot. She could have said everything she said to Twiggy without being rude and interrupting her every time and in a much more non-conforntational manner. I agreed with Twiggy and found her prickly.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 10:09 am
Here's a pic of Heather's solo shoot, hope this is big enough...

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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 10:38 am
Just to clarify something... I have no problem with a contestant quitting. But it was the way Ebony did that. She couldn't go to Tyra privately to say she wanted to leave. She couldn't START the judging saying she wanted to leave. Instead, she had to wait all the way thru to the end and THEN say "oh, I wanna go home." I think the final straw was the critique she got, but she could've said something as soon as they came back into the room after final judging.
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Laneesmom
Member
05-12-2005
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 11:38 am
Of all the pretty pictures it looked like they were getting that isn't one of my faves.....
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Darrellh
Member
07-21-2004
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 11:42 am
I just wish that the rules were applied the same way for each contestant. For one model, Tyra may pick the only good shot out af a role of bad ones, while for another, she may pick one that is off or a weird pose. That one pic gets reamed, even though you can see she did good ones. They even show Mr Jay saying she did a great job, and her shots were great.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 5:14 pm
There is only one rule: Tyra's way or the highway!
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 9:50 pm
So true Alisons. What I don't get is Panel criticizes the girls so much when they don't show neck in their photos, but Jenah got high praise for her photo & it looked like she didn't even have a neck. I don't get it.
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