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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 6:35 pm
Waterloading or not, they are losing weight.. compare that to a couple of the women on the black team and you have to wonder what is going on with them (and we KNOW they waterloaded in the past because they said so on camera. I sure didn't doubt what Paul was remembering and certainly it isn't at all uncommon for one child to be the scapegoat.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 8:13 pm
I was going to say the same thing as Mama and Teach, Sunshyne. Not only is one child often singled out, but the other children participate in the secrecy and the abuse of the targeted child - not to be consciously cruel, but to protect themselves and receive approval from their parent(s). Then when they grow up, they may have selective memory, be too ashamed to admit it, or still believe in the illusion that the abused child deserved it. OR they may be too traumatized to allow themselves to remember and acknowledge it. To say Paul is lying or not remembering correctly is the reason so many people that had an abusive childhood never talk about it - they're afraid to be called liars and/or dismissed and disbelieved. Teach, I read those books + the one written by David's brother.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 9:22 pm
No matter the how or why of Paul's torture/abuse...for it to be revealed for the first time on national TV...well like I said before, I hope they had his permission and even then I am not sure he was in a correct frame of mind to give permission. He had not had time to fully accept it and own it much less begin to deal with it and the consequences of putting it out there very publickly...I just worry about the repercussions with him still being so new at dealing with it....BL owes him lots of support and after show assistance in my opinion. For him to be telling the world the first time he tells anyone (which is what he said, it was the first time he had told anyone) thats a lot to deal with and he will need guidance in how to handle it all. IMHO
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Friday, February 15, 2008 - 1:22 am
Guys, I am sorry - I could have sworn that it was Bob's father that died during Australia, not his mother.
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Dovez
Member
08-27-2005
| Friday, February 15, 2008 - 1:55 am
oh, dear. sea...you're best at research. can you set the record straight on bob?
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Friday, February 15, 2008 - 5:07 pm
I was apologizing for saying wrong information. I think from the sounds of it, it was his mother. I am still thinking he looks really gaunt, or aged in BL couples. I see it around his forehead. He also doesn;t seem quite as happy-go-lucky as he used to be.
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, February 15, 2008 - 5:19 pm
Well, since I looked it up before (see my earlier post) AND I watched the episode (and so have others recently) where he left suddenly to deal with his mother's death. HIS MOTHER DIED DURING THE FIRST SEASON OF BIGGEST LOSER AUSTRALIA Seriously, it’s on the Wikipedia page for both Biggest Loser Australia, AND Bob Harper’s page. Also, from the www.tv.com summary,
quote:Episode 8 First aired: 2/22/2006 Production Code: 8 Jillian gathers her team together to tell them some devasting news - Bob has to go back to the states as his mother passed away from a massive heart attack. While he's away, both teams work together, with mixed emotions. As a reward for their outstanding group effort, the contestants are allowed to make a ten-minute phone call to their loved ones.
I don't understand how there can still be such confusion about this still.
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Kiersten_love
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, February 15, 2008 - 5:57 pm
So what this means is that his mother died 2 years ago? Well then he is a <24> for walking out on his team then, and here I thought all along it was cause his mother or father had just passed. Bob really has changed though this season, from last season to this, and this being his worse I think. I hope that he still gets back to being just Bob again.
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Dovez
Member
08-27-2005
| Friday, February 15, 2008 - 10:33 pm
ah, then...my bad. i had been pontificating that bob had to be in some sort of mourning phase due to loss of a parent. but i'd been under the impression from earlier posts that it was a more recent occurence. sorry
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, February 15, 2008 - 11:21 pm
As for paul and his character AS portrayed on TV. Kelly repeatedly has asked him to stop with the drama and theatrics as well as trying to kiss her etc. the man seems to be <25>. Is it a symptom of his background? or is he someone who craves attention? His story COULD have been trying to get positive attention. Very few men would have said that kind of stuff ON camera knowing their family and friends would see it. anyways, We shall see how this all plays out. Paul is appearing to be a big threat. He needed to make himself look LESS like a threat.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Friday, February 15, 2008 - 11:42 pm
I can imagine that any parent who loses their temper is a scarey thing...but a violent parent is usually violent with others, not just one kid. He made it sound like he was the only one who remembered sessions...which sounds a lot like time out. I got the impression you were saying that Paul was not recalling correctly any abuse because he was claiming it was just him, and I said that the whole family does often know and even participates in it. And I'll say now that other non-immediate family members also know but choose to stay out of it. And even take into account teachers and other outsiders - how often do we hear stories that people knew but never reported it? And I most definitely disagree that his description of the "sessions" sounded like a time-out. It is true that children who were scared by their parents will remember a smack as a punch - it will be magnified in their minds - but taking a jump from a time-out to a beating is a little much. <25>
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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 1:13 am
To me there was no doubt that Paul was a victim of abuse. You can see the pain in him- and he has obviously been troubled in the past. I was disappointed in Bob for not encouraging his group to see the therapist. Bad choice IMO. They need to look at more than working out and food control if they really want to get to the core of their problem. Then again I am rooting for Jillian for the first time in the show. I have always been for Bob's team but I was sorry how he chose his team and they are ucky IMO lol.
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Moderator
06-30-2002
| Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 10:52 am
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 10:53 am
The fact that his mom died a couple years ago, just adds to the theory that Bob's walking out was due to his team's waterloading anctics than other things. He was genuinely ticked off that his "dream team" lost AGAIN - probably because of their own shenanigans, not true trouble w/losing weight.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 12:07 pm
Meggie, I am liking Jillian more this season, too. I like watching her when she talks, she is very expressive. I noticed she and her mom share a lot of the same mannerisms. Bob just doesn't seem like the Bob we know. That impression comes to me more by the fact that he chose all the big guys for his team. It just seems to me that the Old Bob would have chosen based more on the people loyal to him.
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 8:08 pm
Don't read if you don't want to know... Paul is such a disappointment to me. He knew he was going, so he was an about it. Then he got pneumonia (though, I can't really call him on that) he hadn't really lost a ton of weight before that anyway. I don't really expect him to have a huge loss by the time the finale starts. I'm just so disappointed with him.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 9:05 pm
Interesting episode, always surprised that the 2 hours fly by so fast. Spoiler below: Neko, I actually expect that far from not losing much that he will have regained some if not most of the weight by the final. He's like a child in a lot of ways, the minute mommy-trainer wasn't around his hand went in the cookie-jar. It isn't like he had a slip or two either, he ignored the phone because he KNEW Jillian would hold him responsible and he didn't want that, he wanted to pig out. Also... who the heck gains weight in the hospital???? It is the ultimate calorie control, he had to requesting extra food from the staff or family/friends. Since we all know that it isn't physically possible to lose 16 pounds in 7 days I wonder if the blue teams great numbers were due to dehydration. They didn't have Bob making sure they were carrying around a water bottle 24/7. We will know next week if (as I suspect) they will all have terrible numbers.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 9:35 pm
You'd think if someone got pneumonia, they would lose a ton of weight. Every time I've been sick, it's usually good for 10 lbs because I just don't feel like eating at all. It appears that everyone had temptation, but Paul's friends really were not supportive at all. I think Mark and Jay had the best support, they had each other to kick each other's behinds.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 9:52 pm
You'd think if someone got pneumonia, they would lose a ton of weight nope....the body isnt healthy, 'real' weight doesnt drop. As for ten lbs, most people have that much stuff in their gut, so that 10 lbs weightloss is like you say, jsut because you arent eating. I've had pneumonia, fevers and One apple for five days and GAINED seven lbs. The only other food stuff I had in the house was Real Lemons for making hot lemonade (which I like sour with around 1 tsp of Sugar)
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 9:55 pm
So, Paul didn't just ignore Jillian's phone call, he ignored a number of them. She said she called each of them every morning and every night. If he would have just taken one phone call from her, it might have made a difference.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 9:55 pm
the show is crisscrossing with Other shows I watch. Hopefully someone will post what happens the last hour and generally the weights.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 10:29 pm
16 lbs and 13 lbs. the smirks on their faces before the weighin told me that they were glad that their plan last week worked. you know a simple way to check for waterlogging? Urine specific gravity...it is a simple test involving a dipstix. anyways,I am in and out watching....missing stuff
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 11:20 pm
I think the blue team had it planned way ahead of time last week to throw off Trent because of his knee, so they water-loaded in order to have a small weigh-in so that they could lose more this week. Did that make any sense? I can't stand any of those young, smirking kids on the black team. I hope Kelly wins.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 6:03 am
I am rooting for Britney, Bernie and Kelly but they have a hard road ahead of them to get past those big guys. Although.... one of the guys, (is it Jay?) is almost to his goal weight. Seems to me that he is going to have trouble getting even 20 more pounds off total. Makes perfect sense Catfat. I had mentioned before that with the trainers being so ticked about the water games and the editing making sure we see enough to figure it out, I am sure that we will see more rules and/or testing in future seasons. Like Sunshyne mentioned, it would be easy enough to track (if they want to). Sunshyne, the black team did well, the weight loss was 26-27 lbs total, I believe it was 2.84% which is a really respectable amount especially considering they were at home for the week. Sounds like you saw part of the blue team weigh-in, the other two did the same numbers so their % was almost 6%. Not even physically possible so we all know it was either due to water-loading last week or dehydrating this week or a combination of both. Says a lot about Bob that he didn’t walk out this week, I would have had more respect for him if he had.
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:30 am
Paul's gone?
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