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Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, April 02, 2007 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Thanks for sharing, Aahlife. Kinda the point some of us were trying to make... I've said it before, I'd be hesitant to judge or label someone just by what you see on the show. Calling Jael a heroin addict or claiming that there's something hinky with Natasha's marriage... We see only what the editors want us to see, first of all. Second of all, without knowing all the facts, how can we judge?

And finally, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it just MAY BE A DUCK! Isn't it entirely possible that Natasha met a man and fell in love (and he with her) and they got married. And they may live happily ever after. Age, how they met, childless or not... that's all irrelevant. (Honestly, to me, the bit of phone convo we overheard sounded like an affectionate and loving couple to me. But what the hell do I know?)

I am absolutely against starting rumors or stating innuendos as fact. Unless you are there, you cannot know. And I don't care how much "experience" you may have, without the facts, it's still just a guess. And not a SWAG one at that.

Anyways, Aah. I respect your decision to share your story with us! I wish you and your hubby many more years of happiness (and many more years of being "deeply in love"!!!!).

Jodied75
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08-26-2004

Monday, April 02, 2007 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodied75 a private message Print Post    
And love is hard enough to come by, why put more barriers on it? It's the same reason why homophobia really raises my hackles. My aunt is gay and has been with her partner for 21 years. Together they have raised three, beautiful, successful kids. And they have the most loving of relationships I have ever seen. To hell with the people who say they are immoral or have a "birth defect" that make them gay.

Aahlife
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08-06-2005

Monday, April 02, 2007 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aahlife a private message Print Post    
Thank you Costacat for your support, I debated about sharing my personal information, but as I said, some of the judging comments here really got to me. It brought back some unpleasant memories.

I, too, saw nothing wrong with Natasha's phone conversations with her husband, and from the snippets we are allowed to hear, they both sound loving and supportive of each other.

Resortgirl
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09-23-2000

Monday, April 02, 2007 - 11:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Resortgirl a private message Print Post    
I think the whole point is that marrying an older man probably has as many outcomes as marrying any man!!
Some people marry for love, some for security, some because they were drunk in Vegas...
But age probably doesn't have much more to do with the failure or success of a union than the other 1000 factors that come into play when you live with someone 24/7. Anyway, that's what I think...

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, April 02, 2007 - 4:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Good for You Ahhlife. My ex was thirteen years younger. I dont care about age differences. you guys are misreading.

I think you have mistaken my words about people I know to be theories and judgements.

The editors try to manipulate their audience to increase the drama.

I absolutely agree Jodied. Part of the fun of watching, in my opinion, is analyzing who the characters are and why they act the way they do. I love to theorize. And HECK, I do it alot for all of the reality shows.

Calling Jael a heroin addict

Costa, feel free to find that post. I never said that so please dont tell people that I did.

anyone here can do a SEARCH of the site from the links at the top of this page.

A number of people were discussing why Jael talked the way she did. I posted a theory based on my years of being around people who have previously done drugs. i clearly labelled it that way.

I still say I am being coloured by comments misread and mistakening remembered later.

Isn't it entirely possible that Natasha met a man and fell in love I think we are watching a different tv show. No english, I repeat..she couldnt speak the language so how did they meet and fall in love when they cant talk to each other? Guess it was that kind of Instant 'first sight' Love where it is about physical looks.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, April 02, 2007 - 4:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
starting rumors or stating innuendos as fact.

in my opinion, it looks to me, reminds me of people I worked with, Similar to, could be, I have a theory.

yep, those all show that i am writing 'facts'.

I'm writing comments and theories about a tv show. you guys are trying desperately to suggest that I'm not allowed to theorize and accuse me of Judging everyone even you and your relationships.

Bizarre. you know nothing about me, my life and my circle. Who is really doing the judging here?

This is a TV SHOW people.

Resortgirl
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09-23-2000

Monday, April 02, 2007 - 5:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Resortgirl a private message Print Post    
You're right Sunshyne, you have every right to your opinion. I guess it's how opinions are presented that makes all the difference. Funny how we all get so passionate, about a TV Show!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, April 02, 2007 - 6:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Upthread it was stated "my judgement" is "...based on years of working with people...". It seems to me that passing judgement is not the same thing as stating an opinion. It is broad generalizations stated as fact that I have a problem with (such as stating that Jael is a heroin addict because her friend died of an overdose). Everyone is entitled to an opinion... it's when the opinion is stated as fact that I have problems.

I'm not passionate about the show, per se. I'm more upset that labels are being applied to women about whom we know very little. If your opinion about Jael is that she *seems to be* an addict, that's one thing. But if your "judgement" is that she "is an addict", that's another.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Monday, April 02, 2007 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
LOL Darrell!!!

Jasper
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09-14-2000

Monday, April 02, 2007 - 8:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jasper a private message Print Post    
I hold my hand up, I did say at the beginning of the show, before Jael's friend died, that she sounded stoned when she spoke.

It's odd as I read thru the thread how Sunshyne's comments are interpreted as I read most of it quite differently and more on point to what she clarified. I'm not sure if it's because I'm used to how she expresses herself, we do venture into a lot of the same threads, but I do know she never means to upset anyone or hurt anyones feelings.

Sugar
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08-15-2000

Monday, April 02, 2007 - 10:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sugar a private message Print Post    
Perhaps Natashas husband speaks Russian or some other language they both know.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 12:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I've been thinking for the last few hours as to the difference between Judgemental and opinionated.

I can be considered opinionated but be assured, my opinions are very flexible and often change upon research.

methinks I can seem too blunt and the way I type things out rankles readers.

GOOD point Sugar! I never thought of that and Natasha hasnt mentioned it on the show. Maybe this whole scenario will be cleared up in a future episode.

maybe upcoming episode, Like the usual 'sit down with Tyra' part of the show that she does each year with the girls.

Thx Jasper for your perspective. I was feeling pretty misunderstood it is nice to know that some people 'get me'.



Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
After trying to find that I post (which I couldnt) I did a search using the word "judgement". The only post which came up was from 6:03 and I didnt write it.

Friday, March 16, 2007 - 12:23 am

I would not be so judgmental of her as to decide she has a drug problem,

my judgement/ theory is based on years of working around drug addicted people. I didnt say it was fact.

*****
If that is the post you are referring to it seems obvious to me that I have used judgement incorrectly, it was used simply because the word was in the accusatory comment and I used it in response.



I think you have mistaken my words about people I know to be theories and judgements.


response from above post - Upthread it was stated "my judgement" is "...based on years of working with people...".



After trying to find that I post (which I couldnt) I did a search using the word "judgement". The only post which came up was from 6:03 and I didnt write it.

anyways, I'm moving on.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 12:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Everyone, Can we please move back to discussing the show. Thank you.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 8:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I'd love to not be wasting my time looking up 3 week old posts proving my innocence!

Looking forward to tomorrow's show, and i wonder who will be booted.

I cant figure out the judge's favourites this year. They seem to be inconsistent.

I dont think they'd dare to get rid of the other big girl this early. It just wouldnt 'look good'.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 6:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Anyone able to spoil tonight's episode? At least, who didn't make the cut?

Lindy
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12-21-2004

Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lindy a private message Print Post    
Sarah and Whitney were bottom 2. Sarah is out.

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 6:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alisons a private message Print Post    
Tonight's episode was the 'Renee aka NeNe breaks down and cries and talks about the pain that is in her that makes her such and evil bioytch to everyone else' episode. Blech.

I thought that they were going to take the opportunity to get rid of Jaslene since she had a bad shoot.

I am totally shocked that Jael and Nata did not get more crap for jumping in the pool.

It looks like Dionne - Whahooey - Brown is getting a finalist's edit. I think she is totally boring!

Whitney-Whitelle should have gone instead of Sarah, IMHO.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 8:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
It looks like Brittany will get rid of her weave now. THANK YOU !!! It was horrible.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 9:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I was embarassed for Jael tonite, she never got the hint to leave 50 cent alone and just keep on and on, I was still shocked he pushed her in pool

Loyolamom
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05-10-2005

Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 11:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loyolamom a private message Print Post    
Alisons I totally agree about no one mentioning Jael and Nata's behavior. Why the heck was Tyra's manager there if they weren't going to talk about the party?

I can't believe it's taken them this long to realize that Brittney's hair is a mess! It's about time they fixed it and kudo's to her for putting up with it for as long as she did!

My daughter attends college in Chicago and knows Sarah. Sarah tried for a long time to get her to let her take her picture. Caity, my daughter, couldn't stand her and was quite shocked to see her on the show! She said that Sarah was quite the know it all and annoying as all get out. That's just her opinion though:-). I wasn't surprised that she was let go tonight. I agreed with whoever it was that said she was a poser. I don't think Whitney will be around long.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 12:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I will read all your posts later. Want to put down my thoughts first.

How strange! Natasha and Jael are soaking wet for their Medina interview in the VIP room and not one word is mentioned about it during the Judging!?
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jael was also Gooned and out of control constantly bugging the Rapper. Yeah she is a band manager and trying to make a connection but it was too much. How many times did he have to tell her to back off? I bet it was all night LOL
Glad to see Moe gone. However, once again I dont think she took bad pics, it was her quiet personality.

can Jael's poses be considered 'non-posing'?? and Natasha's were positively stereotypical posey. her surprised look has been done many times before.

I felt bad for Whitney though. Good LORD that dress that was worn to the party! I am large chested and was embarrassed for her.

A halter with a strap holding your sagging breasts down in such a way that a Big bulge of fat comes out the top is NOT complimentary to big girls.

A nice supported halter would ahve been amazingly gorgeous. Why the "cheese" boob type of halter? I call it cheeseboob when the breasts end up basically Flat on top and look like two Rolls of gouda Cheese. I purposefully stay away from bras/ halters that do that LOL




Hurray, Brit's hair is going to be taken care of. Funny how other years the models have been criticized if they dont look after their weaves.

I pick Brit for final three.
I figure natasha is guaranteed final Four for sure. Maybe final TWO but she hasnt shown too much versatility.

I think Wholahee will be final two! Wouldnt be surprised if she wins.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 12:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
k read your posts. Yeah, renee was quite something tonight. I figure she was trying to get some sympathy from Tyra and instead it became an opportunity for the other girls to get in their kicks.

Something like that is rarely good for the person who is a target. all it does is break their spirit and I wont be surprised if Renee goes home either next week or the week after. The girls will feel powerful and vindicated that tyra took their sides against Renee and it will get worse.

But renee will most likely not fight back and instead the judges will make comments about her "lack of emotion' in her eyes and how she didnt concentrate and try hard enough in her photoshoot.

I still remember when the judges got rid of Toccara. They blamed her sadness as a reason to get rid of her. I think never having any nice clothes in Tocarra's Size beat her down emotionally.

That HomeDepot Orange shirt during the Car Ad photoshoot really did her in. Everyone else had two gorgeous outfits...oh and lets not forget the Lingerie shoot and Tocarra being given Grannie Panties. SIGH

HEY, they havent done a undies/bathingsuit shoot yet have they? that will be the week they get rid of Whitney I bet.



Mictay
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09-29-2006

Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 3:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mictay a private message Print Post    
Pamy ITA with your post above,I too was embarassed for Jael,I kept thinking OMG what is up with her,can she not take a hint?50 cent pushing her in the pool had me LOL,I think I would have done the same thing.I wasn't surprised Sarah went home either and to tell ya the truth,i'm glad she's gone,I got real tired of her saying how much experience she had and etc. etc.I still don't have a fav. but I do like Dionne and Brittany,so glad they are going to fix her hair!

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 6:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I thought the pics last night were meh. I think the 50cent thing was scripted.