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Cokegirl
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03-08-2004

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 12:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cokegirl a private message Print Post    
It was a good ending. I'm happy for Christina but really wish Petrozza had won.
I'm glad I don't ever have to see Jen on my tv again! She really bugged me.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 4:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Seriously, did any of us know that the reason Jen was the second to last picked was because Christina and Petrozza were intimidated by her leadership abilities?


Freetimefinally
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01-26-2006

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 5:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Freetimefinally a private message Print Post    
I believe it was thier job to have their team prep and make sure everything was ready. If I wasn't worried about food not used I would of made sure there was enough of everything that if everone ordered the same thing it would of been there.

I kept wating for Christina to run out of fish because of Matt screwing it up.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
With his catering background I would have expected Petrozza to have done better inventory planning! Of course, it is the head chef's fault if the team runs out of food!

I think Christine's team was re-firing the fish instead of starting over each time.

I think having either Matt or Jen on your team would be equally challenging! I LOVED that Corey and Bill were so gung ho about helping their chefs! Now that is the way to be a good sport!

I was actually surprised that Christine won. I wonder if Ramsey sees more growth potential there as well as a longer "work life?"

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 7:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
Tntitanfan, I believe Chef Ramsey said he saw more growth in CHristina then Petrozza.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 7:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Christina actually did win quite a few challenges, too, so there's something to be said for standing out from the crowd. I've not yet watched the episode, but am looking forward to it.

And yeah, it'd be the head chef's responsibility to ensure all ingredients are available for the menu planned. I mean, they don't just automagically appear, now, do they? :-)

LOL @ Lex. Yeah, they were afraid of her "leadership" abilities. HAHAHA...snort! Whoops! :-)

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
Who's Bill?

Bonzacat
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07-08-2003

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonzacat a private message Print Post    
"automagically" =

(love that word!)

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
KL, I think Tnt meant Ben.

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 11:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
If Christina's kitchen wasn't adequately stocked, I wish then that they would have showed how she handled that. I can appreciate that the head chef would need to be on top of this, it just seems unfair to me that they weren't both tested. But, whatever .... (I am totally fine with Christina winning)

To be honest, it seems odd to me that they made so many mistakes along the way. I guess that is what makes a tv show.... but how can ppl who are so clueless/careless be considered for an exec chef position at a world class restaurant?? How hard can it be to check the temp of the food before you hand it off? I would think if someone failed to do that more than time or two, they'd be fired. Scary to think that even at a very good restuarant, the chef may serve you meat that hasn't been temperature-checked.


Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Nope, I meant Bobby!

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Sharinia - I think that Christine had her kitchen properly stocked in the first place. As I said above I was VERY surprised that someone with Petrozza's experience did not have sufficient inventory - Caterers have to be very on top of that kind of thing because once you are "on site" there is no running back to the pantry or fridge for something you neglected to load in!

Jasper
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09-14-2000

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jasper a private message Print Post    
I was wondering if the any American station was airing Hell's Kitchen UK? It starts here (Canada) next Tuesday.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Jasper, I've never seen it. But sounds like something BBCAmerica could be showing. They aired "Kitchen Nightmare" before it went to FOX.

I was conflicted between Petrossa & Christina. But Gordon mentioned at least tow times how he sees potential in Chris. P is probably done growing in Gordo's eyes.
I also suspect Gordo gets to see all the footage of P being wishie-washie on the planning of manu. P also had a hard time figure out what to do instead when his planed Appetizers were out of stock.

Speaking from experience -- worked through college & part of grad school days in Chinese restaurants in NYC and had a Steak House for a half a doz years up state with my husband -- the head Chef is supposed to estimate and stock all the ingredients. <<They are lucky their skill of "budgeting" was not tested on this show. Or was it? I know Chef got mad at them before when expensive stock were wasted.>>
Well, more importantly, as the dinner hour gets going, the head Chef who sees every in-coming order slips is supposed to have it clear in his head when it was time to let the waiting staff know about "what not to push". At that same time, said Chef should come up with substitutions asap for the Captains & such. It is not good forms to have the waiter go back and "beg for customers' understanding". <<You all know the type who would make you beg in hope for free food or drinks even!>>

But that problem aside, I do agree w/ poster up thread that Chef seemed to have been in Chris's corner for a while now. She is an extremely impressive young lady. Most of all Chef thinks she will be able to learn and grow for a long time from now. I could see appointing her as the winner, even though I do feel a bit sorry for Petrossa. But hey, P must be able to improve some of his standings after this show. It wasn't a cake walk getting to that F2 spot in this Hellofakitchen!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
As I recall, Jen even commented on the fact that prep wasn't done for Petrozza's kitchen. But then she shrugged her shoulders or something and make a comment like it wasn't her job to be sure prep was done.

Prep is getting all the ingredients organized, separated, shredded, etc BEFORE the customers enter, so that meals can be put together more quickly when they order.

Petrozza didn't manage or organize that prep stage very well, and it cost him. But he had a hard time getting organized all through the task, IMO.

Jodied75
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08-26-2004

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodied75 a private message Print Post    
I am REALLY looking forward to Hell's Kitchen UK. I'm wondering if their selection of chefs are going to act just as clueless as the ones in USA. I hope they have some credibility for competing.

Regarding the finale, did anyone see where Jen went off to after Christina was announced the winner? I saw her looking up with everyone else at the two doors, but she seemed to have disappeared after that. Sour grapes? Matt even hugged Christina and shook hands with Ramsay.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 4:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Christina has a really good palate with some cooking skills that can be developed. Ramsey is always impressed with people who have a good palate.

Jen may have gone off to get a reference from someone else.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 4:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I think Petrozza had a hard time getting organized throughout the season. The state of his work area kinda proves my point... dirty pans all over the place. When he performed well, he did well. But he was a bit of a mess overall. (And I don't care what they say, organization doesn't guarantee success but it goes a long way in helping to ensure it happens!)

Chy
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07-19-2003

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 8:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
The prep, too. I actually missed the first 12,14 minutes. But it's true, P had problem since he's just way too dis-organized.

As for Jen, I think her "story" was done. (I didn't even know she'd ask Ramsay for reference!) She's all used-up by the show. So none of the cameramen got any orders to search and take shots of her any more. ;)

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 9:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
Jen bugged me for weeks. Corey was so right trying to get rid of her early. Jen's ego is as inflated as Matt's belly.

Petrozza barely had an organized menu ready for his team, much less supervision for prep. Even if it is someone else's job, if you are a team player, you do the job. Jen was never a team player. I wouldn't have been surprised to find she was suppose to do that prep and didn't do it.

I think Christina will not be *the* executive chef, but she will work at his restaurant under another more experienced chef for at least a year (that is what Heather did in Las Vegas).



Mizinvanccouver
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02-22-2003

Friday, July 11, 2008 - 4:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mizinvanccouver a private message Print Post    
Just watched the finale last night.

I'm happy with Cristina winning.

She won 6 consecutive challenges and was just better organized over P. P always seemed so wishy-washy and lets not forget when he wanted to quit on the second or third episode and Bobby had to talk him into staying.

Go Cristina!

Jodied75
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08-26-2004

Friday, July 11, 2008 - 6:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodied75 a private message Print Post    
Chy, I don't think Jen's story was done. I think viewers would have ate it up if they could have seen Jen fuming off to the side and refusing to be happy for the winner. I'm thinking she probably stormed out before the cameras could get a picture of her in a snit.

Sheesh, I wonder if she's learned by now how stupid she made herself look. I also wonder what she's doing now. What kitchen would hire her if they knew she would sulk all day (and do a worse job) if they dared question or criticize her?

Spear
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08-06-2001

Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Here's Jen at the edge of a frame during the end credits, when champagne was being sprayed. She seems to be smiling.
hk
You can also spot her in the very last overhead shot.

Jodied75
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08-26-2004

Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodied75 a private message Print Post    
ahh, thanks Spear. I swear I didn't catch that, even after two reviews.

But is it just me, or did the cameras seem to make a point to exclude her? I'm thinking, if she was mad and sulking off to the side, they would have been sure to catch her like that. Now I think they tried to keep her out of the shots as much as possible so that nobody could see her smiling face.

It is crazy how we all used to base our predictions (of the outcomes and winners/losers) on our personal feelings. Now we all think about how the show is edited, and what clues from the editing amy tell us. Crazy world!