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Missy2
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07-31-2001

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 4:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missy2 a private message Print Post    
How bizarre huh? Being woken up and pinned down by a guy much bigger than you while cameras and others watch on doing nothing??? I understand the whole being in the moment thing but at the same time I can imagine how assaulted and humiliated Marcel must be feeling. That was just down right mean. I am sure Cliff feels like an idiot. And Sam, just sitting there laughing watching this go on?? It definitely wasn't right.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 6:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Cricket, he is the the main judge of the show and yes, a chef.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 6:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
The whole thing was despicable. I never thought I'd feel sorry for Marcel but I sure did. From a sound sleep to being manhandled and pinned to the ground by a drunken <100> while other <100> egg him on, all of whom carry big, sharp knives for a living. How scary.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 6:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Sam and Ilan should also have been sent home. Cliff may have been doing the actual manhandling but they were just as involved.

Absolutely!! They are all <100>. Should have all gotten the boot.
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"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."

So true.

Bearlee
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05-18-2005

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bearlee a private message Print Post    
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that Marcel called out for Elia and she said she couldn't come at the moment. As far as plating I seem to remember Marcel helping plate for those after him.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 8:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Sea, please feel free to disagree with me. But I saw it differently... when Sam asked, Marcel wasn't yet under the gun, and was pretty smug about saying he wouldn't help anyone before him. You are entitled to your opinion, but I am also entitled to mine.

ETA: The burners were being used by Ilan just prior to Marcel having to prep. They were NOT being used by Sam. Marcel wasn't even cooking then, he was still prepping.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 8:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
BTW, Marcel didn't call for the producers. In fact, he barely even mentioned what had happened. So I think, in Marcel's mind, it was a prank that went wrong and he wasn't gonna pursue it. Once the producers got wind of things, that was when they (the producers) got the entire story, got the tape, and then took action.

In my opinion, I think some of you are making a bigger deal of things than necessary. If Marcel didn't feel the need to say anything, why would you even mention lawsuit? It's now water under the bridge, Cliff apologized, and it appeared the two handled things appropriately afterwards, between them. Naturally, Cliff had to leave. But lawsuit? Please.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I saw it like Sea. I do think Marcel was very much under the gun. All the burners were being used (does not matter who was using them) plus he knew he could count on NO ONE. Plus he was constantly being "ganged up on." Just my opinion.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Hmmmmm I thought it was a BIG deal. Being manhandled and woken out of a sleep with the threat of having your hair shaved off and feeling you had to hide in the bathroom to get some sleep. I just found the entire situation especially no one getting up to stop Cliff horrific. These are the times where I think punishment of the legal kind are justified.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Shouldn't that be Marcel's choice?

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 1:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I agree that someone should have stepped up and said to stop, but I did not see Sam yukking it up. I went back and watched it and he seemed more embarrassed by the whole thing than like he was laughing it up.

And I have a question. If Marcel did not report it and I have no reason to think so, and the others did not, how did the producers find out about it? Tom came in before the guys were even up. I suspect there was a camera in the room. Maybe even a camera crew. That camera work seemed awfully professional to be Ilan doing it. If so, why did none of them step in?

If so, I find Tom's comments a little hypocritical. They expect the other chefs to intervene but the show personnel would not? Marcel could have been badly injured. Cliff is a big guy and while I do not think he would have deliberately hurt Marcel, he did not seem to be in control of himself. An injury could have occured.

I am not sure this is the situation, but how else did they find out what happened? I have been wondering about this, but nothing has been said.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
there is speculation over at TWOP that there is a conspiracy going on. That the REAL story is they attacked Marcel first and then decided to shave their heads to make it seem like no big deal, and the producers edited it after the fact to make it look like Elia wasn't involved cause she won and we need to still like her.

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alisons a private message Print Post    
What Cliff did is assault and the show could be held liable for forcing Marcel to live in a situation where he was at risk.

Ilan was filming.

Hard to say how they found out - but if Marcel did report it, they could be protecting him by not telling the contestants that he reported it.

The whole thing is disgusting to me, as is making excuses for that kind of behavior.

Jami
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10-08-2003

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jami a private message Print Post    
The producer's blog said that they were all being interviewed, as they were very often, the morning after. Some comments were made that the staff questioned and after investigating the tape was seen and action taken. She totally claims that Marcell didn't "tattle tale". (which I would not have blamed him if he had,,,I would have run out telling anyone that would listen.)

They also said that a staffer was asleep in the next apartment, if needed, but that no one was with them.

She stated that it wasn't odd for them to have a camera,,,the staff thought that they were going to make some funny video, perhaps them doing an imatation of the judges table.

Today I saw some still phots taken from the video. It clearly shows Elia, with her hair, on the floor laughing, when Marcel runs away from Cliff. So they didn't shave their heads until the assault had already happened. So it seems like, as I had heard before the show, that Ilan and Elia decided to shave after the fact to make things not seem so bad.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 3:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Hearing that, makes it all the more disgusting. Really disgusting. They all should have gone and left Marcel to be the Top Chef.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
And would Marcel really be Top Chef if he "won" by "default"? Is that really the kind of "win" someone wants? I'm betting not.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I agree that it would not be the kind of a win anyone would want. My point is not so much that Marcel deserves to win as much as all of the rest DO NOT deserve to win for what they did (or did not do.) Especially if that conspiracy theory is true.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Wow, that really changes things. Marcel should be the top chef.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 4:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
hmm..but how do we know she wasn't wearing the wig in those photes/video tape? i sure didn't realize she had been wearing a wig all this time.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 4:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
I guess she may have gotten the wig after the incident.

P.S. The lychee incident paaaaaaaales in comparison to the Marcel assault.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 4:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
You know, they should have booted Sam, Ilan and Elia and brought back any 3 of the previously booted chefs...

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 4:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Mia, Otto and Michael!

All I can say is I hope NONE of those three win the phone in prize thing...

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 4:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
I just got caught up on Chef Tom's blog -- and the funniest thing to me was his title, "Shave and a Haircut, Dim Wits." That man makes me laugh! He is honest, straightforward, but still encouraging. He is very surely approaching Tim Gunn status in my book!

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 5:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
If there was no one in the room but the contestants, then the producers are off the hook for not stepping in.

But if all the conspiracy theories are correct it makes the producers look even worse that they would go along with it.

If everyone on the internet knows about it they would have to know too. They would have seen the picture of Elia with hair and known a cover up was in progress. How did the contestants explain the sequence of events on the tape if the assualt came first. I can't believe that they could have managed to change that right there that night. So if it happened that way, the producers knew about it as soon as they saw the tape. So they just go along with it?

Of course, the problem for the producers with kicking the other three out is what grounds would they use? Being a jerk and not trying to stop it, while morally repugnant, may not be enough to give them legal grounds to kick them out.

They might not have technically broken a rule. They had Cliff dead to rights on the putting hands on a fellow contestant agressively. But if the other three did not touch him, they might not have had grounds for dismissing them.

But even if they could not legally kick them out, they could tell the whole story and stop the speculation. That is if the conspiracy is true at all. As we know pictures can be faked. And pictures on the internet are often faked.

The whole thing is just so unfortunate, stupid, and disappointing. It will put a shadow on whoever wins.

If Marcell wins, some will say the judges just felt sorry for him and wanted to teach the rest a lesson.

If one of the others win, some will say they did not deserve it because of this incident.

My opinion is that since the decision to go ahead was made, they have to put it behind them and judge the rest of the competition honestly.

Do you suppose that from now on there will be live manned cameras everywhere?

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, January 19, 2007 - 5:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
On a different note, I hve been wondering about next week. In the previews, Elia is seen accusing someone of cheating several times. It appeared to be at a judge's table. It seemed to be Ilan she was talking to, but as we know, previews are used to mislead us into thinking one thing when something completely differet is what happens.

So who did she accuse and was it true? And if it is true is it too little too late?