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Wendo
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08-07-2000

Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 5:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
Asserting that Tiffani isn't willing to work for a living when there's evidence to the contrary (her work on the show) is a baseless assumption.

What evidence is there that Tiffani is unwilling to work for things?

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 5:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
Are you asserting that my opinion is beneath yours because you declare it baseless rather then my opinion simply being different from yours?

Are we practicing for the upcoming BB season?

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 5:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
No, I'm not asserting your opinion is beneath mine.

But, I am asserting that your assumption that Tiffani is unwilling to work is baseless and inaccurate; especially with evidence to the contrary.

ETA: In fact, I would argue that because she worked TOO hard that she failed regarding the social aspect of Top Chef. Hence, her coming in second.

(Personally, I'm undecided about BB this year. I wish it were all strangers like usual. I may not get into it that much this year if I'm not digging the returnees.)

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 6:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
Alright!! Something we can agree on ~ I'm not thrilled at the idea of repeaters on BB either!

As for your comment on my baseless opinion, I have to be honest and say I found that very condescending and insulting. But you know what? I also don't care anymore. Peace and see you around the boards, Wendo. I'm sure we'll have some good convos this summer about one show or another and who knows - we may even agree some more!

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 7:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
Kappy, I'm sorry you felt I was condescending and insulting to you regarding your opinion. In no way was that my intent.

I will add, that I'm not challenging your opinion per se (in fact, I agree with much of what you have to say about Tiffani); I am challenging your assumption that Tiffani is unwilling to work.

You've provided nothing to support this assumption while I have provided evidence that disputes it. Hence my argument that claiming Tiffani is unwilling to work is nothing more than a baseless assumption. (Baseless meaning, nothing to base the assumption on.)

ETA: I have no problem with people taking Tiffani to task; but, imo, let's take her to task for things she's guilty of.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 7:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
I'll accept that challenge:

Tiffani acted rude, arrogant, and disrespectful to her teammates. On top of that she outright lied to Miguel when he first asked if she had said he should be sent home. She's also guilty of gabbing too much in the final competition instead of letting her FOOD speak for itself.

How's that?

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 7:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
I think my prior posts will concurr with your above comments about Tiffani, Teach.

However, none of the examples you provide above support the assumption that Tiffani is unwilling to work to succeed.

So, I don't know what "challenge" you are taking on. :-)

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I'm just guessing, but my impression was that she had quite a lot of debt that she wants to pay off, which sounds like maybe she wasn't working so much (since she didn't go to school to run up that sort of bill), or, she worked a bunch but spent it all and more.

So that makes me think Howard will spend the money on something solid.

And I doubt that there was any one in the whole group who didn't "need" the money.

Oh and don't they get a kitchen from Sears or some place like that?

Hopefully, Tiff will get to Europe on her own.

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 8:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
So, by your example, anyone who has debt must mean they're not "working so much" or working hard enough or are unwilling to work?

As far as "needing" the money, I imagine they all needed it. I don't know where Tiffani said she needed it more than anyone else? She expressed disappointment at not winning it, but I don't see how that means she felt she "needed" it more than anyone else.

Like I said earlier, it's one thing to take Tiffani to task for her obvious indiscretions on the show that led to her coming in second. But to take her to task for something with which there is no evidence of (other than one thinking it must be true because she acted like a b*tch on the show) seems unfair to me.

If anything, she did prove on the show and throughout the series that she was willing to work hard; to win Top Chef, to futher her career, to win some money. But, as has been noted often, because of this single mindedness focus, she forgot/ignored the other aspects of being a Top Chef.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 9:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
She only proved that she would compete hard in a competition. We have no idea how hard any of them worked in the past.

Wendo, I have my impressions; there is no proof to be given. My opinions may be fair or unfair but if I had to choose who should get the money I'd back the guy who is actually opening a restaurant instead of planning a trip to Europe. If she has WON, then the money would be hers no matter what any of us thought.

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 3:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
You didn't answer my question though, Sea. If someone has debt then, by your definition and criteria, they're obviously unwilling to work hard in life? I wonder how many people who carry debt would disagree with this characterization.

As far as proving that she would work hard in competition, but no idea outside of that, we have Tom Collichio's blog to go on. As he wrote, Tiffani went back to serving after taping Top Chef in order to get better in touch with her customers. Again, another example of her willingness to work.

Obviously you (and others) have your impressions and opinions. However, I challenge them and offer evidence that disputes them. You have your impression but offer up know reason as to WHY you have them. I'm asking the why?

I go back to my original statement. That these types of comments about Tiffani's work ethic are nothing more than baseless assumptions; assumptions that are only supported by how one feels for her. There's quite a bit to rag on Tiffani for during her time on Top Chef. Do people need to create stuff too?

And, while Harold said he was opening a restaurant, he said he was using part of the money for that. Maybe he's going to take a trip to Europe too? If he does, does that mean he's less deserving of the win and the money? Seems so arbitrary. And, just because someone won Top Chef they have to open a restaurant? What if they were offerred a job in a top restaurant?

(Of course, this goes to my beef about reality shows and how some viewers think some contestants deserve money more than other contestants based on things that have nothing to do with the competition.)

Competition wise, Harold deserved to win over Tiffani. And, as we know from the blogs, it primarily came down to Harold being the more well-rounded chef and Tiffani's narrow minded focus on the win and forgetting the social aspects important to the competition.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 4:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
MY impression was that Tiffani wanted to use the money to pay off debts and then go to Europe to experience the cuisine over there. MY impression was Harold was focused on opening his own restaurant. MY impression was that Harold's goal seemed more inline with the whole theme of 'top chef'.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 5:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Harold and Tiffani seemed to be fairly equal when it came to cooking skills. The only difference between the two, IMO, was that Tiffani had some issues with not listening to her customers and when interacting with co-workers.

What either intended to do with the winnings doesn't seem important to me. What if someone other than Harold had gone up against Tiffani in the finale, and (s)he, for example, had a gambling addiction? Would Tiffani then be more worthy of winning?

Personally, I'm glad Harold won (since my fav, LeeAnn got the boot), but I was honestly pulling for Tiffani to "get it together."

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 8:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
Yes, Hukd, ed zactly. Personally, I don't see what the contestant plans to do with the money should determine whether said contestant deserves to win the money (unless, of course, that's part of the competition.) By the latter standard, anyone who has money, wants to pay of debt, and the like wouldn't have a chance in hell to win if their competitor was more deserving because they had no money, no debt, etc.

Texannie, so Tiffani can't be a "Top Chef" because she wasn't going to open a restaurant? Why? She can't earn that title because she planned to use some of the winnings to pay off prior debts? Why? She wouldn't be worthy of winning because she intended to use some of the money to travel to Europe and expand her cuisine experience? Why?

I'm trying to understand WHY Tiffani isn't worthy of winning based on the criteria some people have set. Because, as I've written, it seems arbitrary and based on ones dislike of her.

Now, I don't disagree she wasn't worthy of winning the compeition because, while she obviously had skill and talent, her people skills needed work. (Though, I would argue that she was better during the finale than during the season.) She needs to understand the customers role and how to be a better manager of the people she works with.

What I don't understand are how she wasn't deserving based on things that had absolutely nothing to do with the competition at hand.

For instance, of all the chefs on the show, how many do people think would've been opening a restaurant had they won? I'm sure some, but all? Doubt it. Would they be less deserving too had they been in the finale?

Oh, and Hukd, I totally think Lee Ann would've won hands down had she been in the finale; even if it had been her and Harold. Compared to Harold, she seemed a more superior chef, imo.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Methinks you are right about LeeAnn, Wendo!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I did not say that Wendo. I frankly don't care what she did with the money, I said that Harold's goals seemed more in line with the point of the show.

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
I didn't realize that one of the "goals" of Top Chef was for the winner to open a restaurant. I missed that voiceover.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 8:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Maybe some chefs wanted to win so they could land mad-awesome jobs at the top restaurants of the world. Anyone who watched Rocco Dispirito's reality show when he opened his new place knows that having a restaurant can be a nightmare. Feels like the horse has been beaten dead on this one!


Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 8:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
OK..Wendo, I am completely wrong! LOL
but perhaps this is what lead me astray.

Bravo feeds the senses this March with "Top Chef," a new reality competition series celebrating the culinary arts with a fascinating window into the competitive, pressurized environment of world-class cookery and the restaurant business at the highest level. The ten-episode, one-hour series will feature twelve aspiring chefs who will put their culinary skills to the test for the chance to earn the prestigious title of "Top Chef."
but i will never ever again say that the goal of the show was to use the money for a restaurant. i have learned my lesson!!!! LOL

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 9:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
This is interesting. It's from Tom's blog from the very first episode. He was talking about Ken at the time, but it holds for Tiffany. This is the primary reason why I believed she failed (along with taking on too much in the final challenge & not thinking her customers were the number one priority for a chef). I think it show's consistancy in Tom's mindset from the very beginning too.

Being a chef means cultivating respect for and from your colleagues, even if you don't always agree with them.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
They say that everything is bigger in Texas. You are definitely a bigger person than I'll ever be, Tex! You found "evidence" contrary to what you were trying to prove...man, I'd never do that! hee hee

Omg, the horse wasn't dead, just real wounded I think.



Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
hhmmmmmmmmmmmm, maybe i am not as wrong as i thought i was. i just remembered the opening voice over......."and $100,000 to kick
start their culinary career"




Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Why you little troublemaker!!

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
OK you guys are too funny.

Here I was nursing a nasty summer cold...feeling sorry for myself. I haven't even cracked a smile in 48 hours.

I get up enough energy to log on...read this post and I'm LOL.

Thanks!

Tiff could have done whatever she wanted with the prize money but she still wouldn't make a good employee or employer, imo. Although for the right price I'd hire her as my personal chef. ;)

I'd just put up with her personality. Although if she's not under pressure being pitted against others', well who knows maybe she'd be more likable?