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Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 7:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
That's a pretty harsh assessment. You don't KNOW that Cedric will "poison another partner." Maybe Faina was the one who "poisoned" him? If he had a partner with whom he had real chemistry and who was willing to work with him, he could turn out to be a really great partner.

I think it's really harsh to pass judgement when we've not yet seen what Cedric does with another partner.

And the judges did not say he was not ready for the competition. They were worried whether he'd be able to adapt to different styles of dance with different partners. I'd think that others, such as Hok and Dominic, would also have the same issues. The difference between the three of them is that Cedric was always dancing alone, and learning his moves alone.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 7:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
And Heidi and Benji both had YEARS of training and tons of wins in competitions, so I feel safe in saying they had technical training. They may not have had ballet or contemporary, but they did have training.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 8:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Right, Lady. They may not have been "schooled" in various dance disciplines, but they definitely had training. And just competing (not to say winning) also provides a huge advantage.

Jeneane
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05-18-2005

Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 8:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeneane a private message Print Post    
Oh well just call me Simon. Just saying what is my opinion. Time and votes from America will decide.

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 8:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
My point was that I really don't have any preference as to what their background is.

I wasn't asserting that Ricky should stay because of his training (I'm not even aware of what it is). I just shared Mia's opinion that he was da bomb.

I guess it all depends on what you want from the show. I also very much enjoy seeing the street dancers grow with these different styles of dance - they are so impressive. Part of me is rooting for them, too.

But somebody has to go. If they are trying to find the best dancers at these styles (not 'most unique freestyle dancer'), I thought it was unfair to boot Ricky.

It might be nice to have two separate shows - trained & untrained.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 8:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
And two shows for American Idol? And two shows for any of the three food shows that are on now? :-)

I think, too, the definition of "trained" is a bit vague. Is "trained" someone who went to a school and had formal dance training? Or is "trained" someone like Benji and Heidi, who didn't, but who basically learned on the job?

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 9:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
Not saying it is realistic Costacat, just saying it might be nice :-) I really don't understand what you and Ladyt are trying to debate with me, to be honest.

L said: "And since the show does not specify that the contestants must have classical or technical training, I'm glad they are giving street dancers an opportunity."

You said: "They may not have been "schooled" in various dance disciplines, but they definitely had training. And just competing (not to say winning) also provides a huge advantage.

I agree.

ETA: if they can have three CSIs....

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 10:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Wow, I had it backwards. I thought Mia booted Cedric and the other one booted Jimmy for opposite reasons of last week. Which one of them changed their opinion on who/why to boot? Who was Nigel upset with?

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 11:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Mia's favorite was sent home when she had no voice, no chance to advocate for him or give him a vote. This week she kept Cedric, not over her favorite but over Jimmy.

I kinda wish they had the same judging panel each week, but I suppose they don't have a person choreograph and then be on the judging panel in one week?

If some of us feel a bit harsh about Cedric staying, seems like Nigel had that same harsh thought that he could create another bottom three situation with another partner. I guess if he is so amazing, people with that opinion should be voting for him?

I think they are all pretty amazing.

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Monday, June 25, 2007 - 4:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
Cricket, Nigel said that Mary had a change of heart. In the first week, she voted to keep Cedric for the sake of uniqueness, but then last week she voted for 'the better overall dancer' (ie Jimmy).

Nigel himself seemed very conflicted. Like Sea said, he definitely expressed a concern that Cedric might land in the bottom 3 again with a new partner, and indicated that if he does, no more chances, he is outta there.

Strangely, Nigel almost seemed upset at Cedric, or at himself for keeping him??

Danzdol
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04-21-2001

Monday, June 25, 2007 - 10:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Danzdol a private message Print Post    
It has been my experience that ballet is the root of all dance forms. Having ballet technique training refines a dancer. Dancers who had had years of ballet technique can usually mold to any form of dance easier than those that do not.

Heidi and Benji had years of training in their field, not ballet. They happened to be amazing in it. They were able to mold themselves pretty quickly because they are just -that- talented. Any dancer can look at them and know they have not had strict ballet training background by the way they turn and sometimes, something as simple as arm/wrist placement gives it away!

I , for one, can always even point out the gymnasts and ice skaters that have had dance training. Their posture is different and they elongate and finish all their eight counts. Others that do not have the training don't.


Naturals, are people that just have it. Some dancers struggle to gain their balance on turns and spotting on their turns, gaining flexibility in their leaps and jumps and there are people that just , have it!

Uniqueness, to me, is not just a dancer with the technical training I speak of. It is a person, that in addition to having the technique stands out because of their performance skills. Ricky, to me, was unique dance and personality wise as an added plus to the already being an amazing dancer. Jimmy, was a little less unique to me, but an incredible dancer who performed with every muscle and umph it took.

Cedric, did the same thing at auditions and at each of his solos. While it makes for good television with all this controversy, it upsets and pains me to watch.

I was a Musa supporter from last year and he was pretty darn good at molding himself as did Dominic this last week but NOT Cedric. He still has not impressed me and in my eyes, is still a one trick pony. The trick is amazing, but it gets old really quick. He might pull off something else depending on what style he gets next. It's a big "might" and I guess we shall see.

Besides, this is not SO YOU THINK YOU HAVE A GOOD PERSONALITY or SO YOU THINK YOU ARE UNIQUE, this is SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE and you have to be able to DANCE it ALL the best!


My 2 cents.

Vsmart
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02-10-2003

Monday, June 25, 2007 - 10:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vsmart a private message Print Post    
This is a tv show that tries to appeal to a larger audience by showing many different styles of dance & music that I normally would not look at. So even if the contestant had no chance to win, he/she would be chosen for the ratings.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, June 25, 2007 - 1:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Strangely, Nigel almost seemed upset at Cedric, or at himself for keeping him??

Sharinia, he seemed upset at having to be the deciding vote. He said what you said about Mary and he said something similar about Mia, in that I think he expected them to vote differently and they completely changed their votes and reasoning.

I agree about having the same judges. There needs to be consistency. I'm very glad to see your post, Danzdol, because I am not a professional in any way, but feel exactly the same. I got a bad feeling this year when they kept talking about keeping a percentage of 'unique' people. They need to keep the best dancers, as you are correct...it's called "So You Think you can Dance."

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, June 25, 2007 - 1:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Oh yeah I loved Musa from last season.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Monday, June 25, 2007 - 1:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yankee_in_ca a private message Print Post    
musa was sexy

Danzdol
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04-21-2001

Monday, June 25, 2007 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Danzdol a private message Print Post    
I thought he was too...
and with all my technique talk..I loved my Dimitri...no technique to save his life but GOSH....soooo sexy. LOL!

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Monday, June 25, 2007 - 4:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Strangely, Nigel almost seemed upset at Cedric, or at himself for keeping him??


Maybe Nigel realized that they made a mistake last week. If I were Mia, I would have argued that you can't just change what you are looking for from week to week. Therefore, you must keep him at least longer than a week. Then, if I were Nigel, I would have been a bit irritated that I was placed in this position.

Musa..... wow, I wonder what he is doing now. Although, I thought that he was never placed in the bottom 3 until the middle of the competition.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, June 25, 2007 - 4:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
IIRC, Musa also had a great partner and the they had a lot of chemistry together. Sometimes, their chemistry will help to overcome any technical difficulties. And often, the dancers' backstories (including the sound bites as they learn the new dance) can change the public's perception and votes.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Monday, June 25, 2007 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yankee_in_ca a private message Print Post    
I actually didn't see more than maybe 2 shows last season in total and don't know any of the backstories. And I still thought Musa was smokin hot sexy. LOL

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Monday, June 25, 2007 - 8:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
Besides, this is not SO YOU THINK YOU HAVE A GOOD PERSONALITY or SO YOU THINK YOU ARE UNIQUE, this is SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE and you have to be able to DANCE it ALL the best!

LOL Danzdol

I'm glad to hear you say that you thought Ricky was unique. I actually did too, but figured maybe I was offbase.

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
I think that any dancer (Ballroom, Hip-Hop, Ballet, etc...) that is trying out for this, needs to take some lessons in other styles before they come to the show. The hip hop guys and gals are totally lost sometimes, and the ballroom people can not solo if they are in the bottom three.

Trini
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07-06-2004

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 12:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trini a private message Print Post    
Well said..D

Danzdol
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04-21-2001

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Danzdol a private message Print Post    
I agree. It would certainly give you an advantage!especially now that it's the 3rd season and you know how it works!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I disagree. The ballroom people CAN solo. Some of them last season did pretty danged good on their own (Benji, Heidi). They agreed that it was odd at first, but they still did really well. And the hip hop people learn from the choreographers for the other dances. I think that's half of what makes this show interesting... seeing people who only know one style dance in others.

If you require that a contestant have taken lessons in all disciplines, you've just eliminated a bunch of really good dancers. Benji, for one, wouldn't have been on the show, let alone won last year.

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
Costa, I don't mean taking enough to become a competitive dancer in each area. I mean enough to know what you are doing. I know nothing of hip hop dancing, but used to be good enough to win some competitions in disco in the old days. A lot of disco used latin ballroom dance moves, so I'd be able to pick those up. A couple basic lessons in lyrical or hip hop would have made me more competitive.

I'm not saying that it should be a requirement, just a good suggestion if you want to get far. Sort of like looking in the dictionary at some of the words before you enter the national spelling bee.