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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 2:17 pm
They have all admitted to similiar strategies prior to that final weigh-in. Hello, it's a Million Dollars!!!! Watch the tapes, they all look like dehydrated wrestlers at the competition weigh-in. It's very visible in their faces.

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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 2:31 pm
Isn't the price $250,000 or am I getting my reality shows mixed up? lol P.S. I'd do the weigh-in for a dollar! 
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 2:48 pm
It has been $250,000 for all the years I have watched, not sure where the "Million Dollars" is coming from.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 2:50 pm
Thanks, Boberg. Also, too late to edit my post but "price" should be "prize". 
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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 4:00 pm
I have been overweight for most of my life. I truly- and I mean truly- have a slow metabolism. Everyone that spends time with me marvels at how little I eat. I can diet eating a yogurt a day (back when I was young and stupid) and gain weight. Only with activity can I have a prayer of acheiving a fitness level at a somewhat lower weight. Seven years ago, before I hurt my back, I was size 16 and extremely fit. I worked out six days a week and loved it. I was happy with my body- fit, alive, active. Then I hurt my back(- a series of injuries ending in a surgery which fixed only part of the problem) and it has been devastating for me. I have gained 4 sizes and am determined to get that aliveness back- in fact a year ago I had recovered enough to start walking- I was up to walking three miles a day and had lost two sizes when BOOM- I fell while walking and dislocated my shoulder badly, broke a foot, and hurt both knees- bringing me back to square one and gaining the weight. Now I am slowly starting again after a year of recovery. I am joining the Y to do water aerobics and (see the dog thread) we just got a new highly energetic puppy who will be my therapy dog getting me out walking. He is a breed that will need to be walked until he is really tired every day for the sake of everyone's sanity and I look forward to it. The thing is- you can't look at every fat person and think they have bad eating habits or eat too much. You cannot know another person's life based only on your own experience. And to judge their very being based on the shell their spirit resides in is a big mistake.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 5:35 pm
I think I started the million dollar prize rumor. Sorry, I get all these reality shows confused sometimes.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 5:47 pm
i remember reading some article in which Suzy talked about not drinking water for a couple of days before the weighin. I think the whole system is flawed to a degree. Have we ever seen a Counsellor working hand in hand with the contestants to deal with the issues of WHY they gork out on crappy food? Matt won that season and was IMHO 15 lbs underweight. He now has gained back most of the weight.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 7:07 am
" Have we ever seen a Counsellor working hand in hand with the contestants to deal with the issues of WHY they gork out on crappy food?" Good point Sunshyne4u. I think that is part of the trainers job but it is definetely not a focus of the tv show. I remember BOB once talking about his team being down/stressed and he was going to take them for a work out to help them learn better ways to handle the stress. I guess the producers feel watching bits and pieces of therapy would not be interesting or maybe like you said...they don't do any work on dealing with issues of WHY. Seems to me that is a big part of changing your lifestyle. Each season it seems they focus more and more on the "game" aspect of the show and less and less on the HOW aspect of changing your life so drastically. I feel this will only lead to more contestants failure in the long run, especially now that the trainers are getting into the "game play". Ketchuplover I really liked your message to Kim. She does seem to think this was all about her. I have screamed "this is not all about you Kim" at my tv many times this year. lol Her self centeredness when she would have her "heart to hearts" with B was unbelievable...it amazed me that he didn't call her on it....guess he is just too nice a guy. He seemed as concerned about her as he was about himself. Then earlier we had Kim dishing up AMY for the boot...she was way out of line then also IMHO. I didn't blame AMY one bit for moving to Jillian for her training. I couldn't believe it when Amy called Kim on "throwing her under the bus"...Kim denied it! Yo Kim, you need a reality check. I am with all of you who hope Kim does not return next year...if they have 3 trainers next year I hope they bring in another guy. It would be interesting to see how BOB handles it. Also, I want another host....the current one is BORING. I know she just says what is wrote for her but my goodness how many times do we have to listen to her say the obvious over and over and over.
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 8:23 am
quote:Also, I want another host....the current one is BORING. I know she just says what is wrote for her but my goodness how many times do we have to listen to her say the obvious over and over and over.
I agree! The going over of each vote is very tedious to watch. I love her on Days, though.
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Gumby
Member
08-14-2004
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 8:26 am
I'm with you on the host Bob. I never cared that much for Caroline when she was host, but this one has no excitement to her at all in my opinion. Half the time I have to strain to hear her and feel like I'm in a library. In spite of all the game play, etc, I still like Neil. I think he's done an incredible job and I wouldn't mind if he wins. Even though he did the 17 pound weight gain thing, I can't take away that he's lost 118 lbs. I really dislike Julie and I'm not quite sure why. There is something about her that gets on my nerves. Maybe the producers have learned from this season that it shouldn't always be about the game aspect.One can hope anyways.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 1:05 pm
One thing that Celebrity Fit Club does is use a counselor. And those folks are doing most of their exercising on their own (so the results are not so dramatic). On the other hand, most are using Nutrisystem pre-packaged meals so I'm not sure how much "on your own eating" they learn. But the food choices for Biggest Loser are sometimes a little scary (wasn't there someone last season who was eating way too little and very limited in his food choices???). Ross (from the Today Show) should be a total inspiration for folks - seeing him in Phenomenon - he's maintained his new look!

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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 1:41 pm
Bob made a big deal about whatshisname (the home guy that got to come back with Adrian) because he was only eating 4 oz. of turkey a day.
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 2:33 pm
Meggieprice - Amen, you are so right.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 3:06 pm
I am rather hoping Kim doesnt make it back next year. The way she was grilling B about not losing more weight is good example of her not fully performing her job to the best of her ability. How could he had been using soya sauce marinade all this time and she not know about it? He has had a few weeks of Lowish numbers considering his size. Another trainer would have been on him immediately that first disappointing week, reviewing his food, reviewing what needs to change.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 3:10 pm
I believe just being in with other overweight people and talking about their issues will open some eyes and self awareness. But the deepdown emotional issues would probably not be brought to the surface without therapy. However, looking at weightgain reasons from a different perspective, junk food tastes good. i myself do not cook with salt or use it ON food...but if I have something junky, I want SALT! LOL Dont like sweets. All the brainwashing in the world doesnt change the fact that creamy sweets/ salty treats taste pretty darn good and Can be addictive. Like that LAY's potato chip commercial says "Can't just eat One!"
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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 6:45 pm
I read today that a new one will start in January, a few weeks after this one, because of the writers strike.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 11:12 pm
woo hoo!
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 7:21 am
Soy sauce marinade was NOT B's problem. Jeesh!! These guys are up and down with fluids. I'd have been more about "that's good you are using a low sodium version. How about using just a little bit to flavor the meat after you cook it, isntead of soaking it before cooking". And other positive reinforcements. How about looking at his food records and portions? How about his overall results and his workouts? How about sometimes there are plateaus? How about the fact that he "grazes" while he's in the kitchen (and then probably doesn't write it down)? How about that he doesn't eat many vegetables? The Registered Dietitian part of me was very pissed off at Kim during that scene.

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Msbullwnkl
Member
08-16-2005
| Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 12:29 pm
According to this article on Reality TV World , Kim is out for the next season of "The Biggest Loser 5."
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 1:26 pm
The Registered Dietitian part of me was very pissed off at Kim during that scene Yeah, Kim really was going a little overboard about soya sauce. Mind you, we also got to see B talking about not eating properly and how he was having a tough time. Yep, sometimes weightloss is all about whether a person is properly hydrated or not. I'd love to see testing at the Finals to disqualify any cheaters. A quick Bun Creat and CBC ESR would show purposeful dehydration. Or even a urinalysis! I think it sends a bad message when the finalists are so obviously dehydrated and 'wired up' on supplements at the finals. I'd love to eliminate that and make it about good ol fashioned REAL weight loss.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 1:52 pm
I'm a little confused on the water issue. I know personally that if I don't drink enough water that my body starts retaining water. If I go for a week without drinking much water, I can gain up to a whole size in my waistline. If I then start drinking my 8 - 8 oz glasses a day for two or three days I lose that extra girth. Wouldn't not drinking the water make them retain fluid also?
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 3:50 pm
Since we only see about 1/100th of what really goes on I think there is a lot more to the soy sauce episode. It could have been a 1 hour long session about eating habits and because of the drama they show us this crap. I actually liked Kim and I am sorry to see her go. They never show us the healthy eating talks unless they want to plug a product. That's what I don't like about this show anymore. Also, we only see drama and the make ups. I want to see more on what they eat, how they really feel about their bodies and solving some of the issues that got them on the show in the first place.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 4:15 pm
I feel exactly the same way about Kim Dfng. They always showed her spurting out these single sentences and everyone judges her on these snippets. I have no idea if she is a good trainer or not but I am not willing to denigrate her based on the tiniest fraction we got to see and even that was edited. Except for <77>, everyone else on her team seemed to respect her and we have seen some genuine shows of affection btn them. That says more to me about her personality and ability then the teeny bits we see on the show. I also agree about the eating conversations. I would love for them to spend more time outlining what a healthy portion is, sample diet plans, healthy alternatives, etc. PS Those of us watching BL Australia are getting a much less rosy image of Bob and Jillian as well. Different editors, different image created.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 5:22 am
I was sorry to see Kim go too. I like her the most of the three trainers. If I had to choose one of them that I thought I could work with the best and would benefit me the most; it would be her. I don't see Jillian and I working well together ever.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 6:44 am
It seems as if Kim was just learning the ropes of the show also - the drama, she got caught up in the game play as well, ie influencing her team on who to vote out - BUT as we all well know just as easily Jillian has tired to influence her team (to keep Amy, they didnt) so who really knows is right!! I was so made at Neil's tidy speech on how it is all the black teams fault, the Black team holds all the power yada yada - hey buddy get a clue, no one wanted the Black team, they worked harder in the beginning - the only reason I think they dominated the early challenges was they wanted and they had that push from thier trainer Jillian - ie THEY EARNED this spot in the end! and the same can NOT be said for Neil, he manipulated the game by gaining 33# in one night - and it would not surprise me if he was manipulating his food intake as well - - Wasnt there some discussion on Erik's win? He lost a lot of weight for the weigh in, and did not keep it off - shouldnt keep it off, it was an unrealistic weight??? which reminds me that it is a game - and as such, people do things to win - and I'd be whining if they didnt!! lol
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