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Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 6:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
I know I'm alone here, but I found the saloon scene to be hilarious. Stupid, yeah, but it made me laugh.

Mallory was adorable last night. She and her sister seem to have such a close, loving relationship. I also got a little teary eyed when she was talking to her parents.

Some of these kids seem so smart and mature. Taylor, however, is the type of kid that makes me remember why many adults just don't like kids. I have to give the others credit for being supportive of her once she said she would start doing better. I can't say that I would have been so easy to forgive.

Taylor is a cute kid, but no more so than most of the others. She really needs to get over herself with the beauty queen stuff.

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
The children will be a reflection of their parents.
Parents who teach tolerance, respect, work ethic, etc will produce children with the same values.
Parents who teach competition, promote the importance of outward appearence over inner beauty, etc will produce children with the same values.
ETC.
So, don't blame the kids, blame the parents.


P.S. Morgan was robbed! But I understand the need to show that the littlest kids can contribute and be rewarded (and from a different district).

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 7:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
Jared is probably one of the strangest kids ever, but in a cute, quirky way.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
Parents who teach tolerance, respect, work ethic, etc will produce children with the same values.
Parents who teach competition, promote the importance of outward appearance over inner beauty, etc will produce children with the same values.


Generally but not always. I am extremely liberal and very empathetic. I've tried very hard to teach my kids to be accepting and tolerant of others and to embrace different ways of lifes and religions etc. When my oldest son was in 8th grade I found out from a friend who was helping in the school about some of the things he had said in class. He was saying things like if people were too stupid to read then they shouldn't be allowed to vote. I was so appalled and embarrassed and shocked! This son is now a senior in college planning on going on to law school. He is very conservative and opinionated and loves George Bush. His favorite book is "In Defense of Elitism". He could not be more different than his father or I or our other children. I've spent a lot of time talking with him and debating issues. I think part of his stand is due to the fact that he loves opposition and our community is quite liberal and democratic. He loves to debate the opposite side just for the challenge and excitement. He has political aspirations and I could probably never vote for him. He is his own person. He did not learn this stuff at home or school. We sometimes feel like we got the wrong baby at the hospital. I've always said our family is like "Family Ties" and he is Alex Keaton. I love him for who he is but I'll always keep whispering in his ear trying to bring him around.

I do agree that Taylor had to hear that "Deal With It" from her parents but she is very young. They might only use in infrequently but she is stressed out there and it might be all she can think to respond with when she has no answer that others are expecting her to have. All of these kids are just that - kids. I'm impressed with all of them and I don't want to judge any of them harshly. They are all dealing with a lot out there. I think it would be tough on adults never mind little kids who are also dealing with homesickness. I was very frightened for Colton. That bull could have really hurt him. Boy did he come through in that sheep challenge though!

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 8:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Any of the kids can be edited in any way (as can all other participants in reality television shows). The kid could be spewing vile venomous crap and threatening to crush the bones in another kid's neck, and if they wanted to give them a good edit, they only show the kid's tender scenes with his daughter, er, with the younger kids. Just don't show the bad stuff.

Similarly, if they wanted to give a kid a bad edit, they pore through every bit of footage and snip out things out of context and air that.

Good and bad editing is very simple. Reality television is not REAL.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
okay during the Bar Scene I had to ask my 13 year old son what they were doing? I asked are they dropping ice cream in the root beer and making floats? I guess it is a good thing that he was as ignorant as I...

It is sad if they are playing bar games and throwing down the shot glasses...

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 10:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Kids are not always a product of the parents influences. It's evident in how different siblings can be. Being the middle of 5 kids I can tell ya that we are all very different. Of course I'm the most normal out of em all ;).

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 10:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
But of course

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
The show needs something...I can't quite put my finger on it, but something is missing. What is the point??? No one gets voted off (and I can see why they wouldn't subject kids to voting off) so they don't have the survival of the fittest going on? The kids don't really run the town but rather they read the scroll as to what they should do next. (how totally contrived was it last night when they all slept in, then go to the scroll and read about curfue's... totally contrived... So I keep asking myself, what is the point of this show???

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 10:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Bonbon, major word.

Plus I hate that they tout the show as 40 kids and NO adults.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 10:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    

quote:

The children will be a reflection of their parents.
Parents who teach tolerance, respect, work ethic, etc will produce children with the same values.
Parents who teach competition, promote the importance of outward appearence over inner beauty, etc will produce children with the same values.
ETC.
So, don't blame the kids, blame the parents.




Bogus generalization. I've seen some of the most supportive, value filled families produce offspring that are some of the worst offenders, while a sibling is that same supportive and value filled. conversely, I've known some awesome people that have grown up in families that are some of the worst.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 12:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I agree that it is not always the parents fault. People learn what they are taught, but there is also free will. And sometimes if parents are too strict, kids, even little kids will rebel by acting out when they are away from their parents. Some parents just can't believe that their little darlings who are so perfect at home would ever do anything against what they were taught. Well, think again.

On the other side, I have had parents who say their kids are holy terrors at home and can't believe they won the good citizenship award at school.

As far as the bar scene is concerned, I wouldn't worry about it too much. When I was a kid, we all were running around with cap pistols, having great cowboy and indian shoot outs. Dare say, very few of us ever got into a shoot out as an adult. Kids play war, they play Star Wars with the light sabers.

Kids play what they see, does not mean they are going to grow up to do what they play.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 12:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I am more concerned with the council having to choose a recipant of 20,000 bucks each week. As time goes by and the kids see others get the stars and as time begins to dwindle, the pressure on these kids is going to get heavy. As the host said, 20,000 dollars can change some of these kids lives.

I remember Greg making the comment that the reason he wanted to win the money was so he could go to college. He is at the age where he can see it looming and with the costs of college skyrocketing, it really could change his life.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 3:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I got that ewwww feeling when I saw the bar sceen...more like I do when I see kids dressed all sexy on TV than kids playing shoot em up in the back yard.

There was something inherently wrong with the way the kids were coached considering...especially since the shows tag line is 40 Kids and no ADULTS.

Whatever.....no kids were harmed and it's all fun, right. But greeeez give this mom a warning ;)

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 7:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
There are many long term psych studies out there, showing that even though children outwardly show differences from their parents growing up, most people's morals and values and ways of life actually sit pretty close to their parents' ways/morals than their friends. I learned this in my "Adolescent Psych" class.

I think people who AREN'T like their parents are more the exceptions than the rule.

Jodied75
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08-26-2004

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 7:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodied75 a private message Print Post    
one other thing...didn't anyone feel sorry for the sheep? The poor critters must have been scared out of their minds.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 2:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
If the debate over whether or not to blame the parents is regarding Taylor, then I'd have to lean toward yes. Most of her attitude comes from her pageant queen status, and that's certainly not something she went out and got all by herself. A good friend needs to take her aside and tell her that beauty queens have no kingdoms and the other kids don't care about her pageants. I'm sure there are other kids in there who hold titles for various achievements but don't use it as an excuse to misbehave. The editing can't be blamed either, since it's not the editing that her peers are reacting to so strongly. It's being screamed at by a 10-year-old every time they disagree with one of her decisions, knowing that she isn't doing enough work to earn the right to scream at anyone.

Speaking of decisions, I did feel sorry for the kids when they got that microwave instead of the pizza. Considering how poorly they'd been fed, the pizza would've probably been a better choice than a microwave that can only heat a few cups of water at a time. It's not going to save that much time when they have to microwave stuff for 39 kids. The pizza would've at least gotten their bellies full for a night or two and given them a fresh start energy-wise. Since they've yet to go for a luxury item, this would've been a good time to give in and indulge.

Maybe what this show is missing is a stated final goal. Yes, the kids can win money, but even on Frontier House there was a final, clear goal that they worked toward. How will the kids know if they've succeeded with the town?

Max made a great point. It's so easy to forget that children used to work hard for their families, and it is really cool to see that even today's kids are capable of getting things done when they have to.

Glenn
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07-05-2003

Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 5:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Glenn a private message Print Post    
Something I found interesting about Taylor after looking at her personal page at the CBS website was her choice of pictures she included from the show. It seemed to me that almost half of the pictures taken from the show embraced her unflattering behavior. I read somewhere but can't find it to verify now that the kids put the page together and I would assume that most parents would have wanted/required final approval. Her photo choice wasn't entirely what I would have expected.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
Jodied, OMG, I felt so bad for those poor sheep...all that screaming and running ... not fair!

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
Yeah, I agree, those sheep were freaked out! I'm sure PETA was complaining (tongue in cheek, just a little bit).

Good point about a "Goal" to acheive (aside from just lasting 40 days).

I'm just imagining how the producers doing the interviews might influence behavior (hence there is "some" adult supervision).

Also agreed that the pizza would have been good for moral as well as helping with the slow malnutrition (that yellow team was gonna starve their buddies if they had continued as town cooks).

Still, I think they (TPTB) are trying to provide some moral lessons each episode. Good fodder for parents to discuss with their children.

And those children who embrace very different point of views & behaviors from their parent(s) are the exception, not the norm.

Why doesn't Sanjay talk very much? Why is it that Taylor gets to announce the winner of the gold star? They really should explain more about why someone was considered, and then why they chose the winner.



Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 2:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I'd also like to see the "runners-up" get mentioned. Like, "We're giving this gold star to Mallory, but we were also looking at Greg and Morgan, for their contributions with the kitchen and the outhouses." That way it shows the rest of the kids the behaviors that the council is looking to reward, and recognizes those other nominees, rather than them thinking their efforts went unnoticed.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Has anyone done the math to let us know how many gold stars there will be in all? I am thinking 11 or 12 - does that sound right?

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 7:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
The kids that went after the cattle "just to see them run" should be reprimanded. You don't tease animals just for fun. Coulton pushed the one animal too far. It stood its ground. Coulton still thought the "game" was fun. I doubt that there would have been any way to stop the animal if it had charged.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
ITA!

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 8:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
I tried to pull up an interview with the main producer guy from our last TV section, Sept 30th, Seattle Times Sunday's edition. But couldn't pull it up and haven't had the time to type it for your viewing pleasure. Interesting article.

He said there were actually about (IIRC) 256 adults around the town, something like a 6adults-1kid ratio. Between the camera people, producers, pediatricians, shrinks. One producer alone was hired to fulltime just talk to the kids. Nutritionists to make sure they were actually getting a balanced diet (I wondered if they might have brought in caterers behind the scenes.) He said that most people that watch reality shows, are savvy enough to know that 'No Adults billing' isn't the reality.

Dealing with a lot at home, pipe leaks & mold, contractors. Will try to see if I can find the article again from recycles and post at a later date. Just thought I would mention, in case anyone else could find the article. Bisc