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Smartypants
Member
03-09-2007
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 8:56 pm
u r right ..my bad
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Makays
Member
07-12-2001
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 9:09 pm
Smartypants I totally agree with your post. I was so hoping that it would of backfired and Neil was the one to get the boot this week. Damn- I hate cheaters!
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 9:44 pm
After watching Bob's reaction to Neil's throw of the weigh-in, I was hoping that he would go to Jillian and suggest that nobody go home this week. He as much as said to Neil that the way he did this was NOT what this (show) was all about. So Bob walks off in a huff saying that he is so angry he can't even talk about it, but then he is not seen again in the show. Jez looked great in the update though, didn't he?
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Gaylestorm
Member
08-25-2005
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:01 pm
This really stinks! I can't believe poor Jez has to go. Everyone that was in on "the plan" w/ Neil is just as guilty as he is. I used to like The Biggest Loser because it seemed to be one of the only positive reality shows. Not anymore. ETA~ Jez looked awesome in the update! More power to him.
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Ducky
Member
08-27-2000
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:18 pm
Lots of Drama tonight. The way Kim handled the situation with Amy. Lots of resentment from Amy to Kim about wanting her voted off last week. Then switching trainers and not being able to lose weight. Maybe she is stress eating, or that challenge that she ate all the snacks at really set her back. Either way that scene made Kim look bad. Thought it was great how Hollie caught on to what Neil said about that a gallon of water puts on 8 pounds. Hollie asked, "How did you know that." Loved Bob's expression and reaction to Neil's weight gain and throwing the weigh in. Also Jillian going off on him. Noticed that the trainers were not at the weigh in. Also that the guys are not taking there shirts off for the weigh in, and the Gals are now wearing shirts that cover there stomachs. Although it does make them look better it makes it harder to see how much weight they have lost from week to week. Sorry to see Jez leave. He did not pick a good teammate as he thought he had.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 12:29 am
No big weight losses this week. PROOF that stress inhibits weightloss.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 3:06 am
Even if Neil wins the money, he'll always be a loser in my book. You can't buy back integrity or loyalty. I can't believe they voted off Jez instead of Neil. Amy has been a problem for her trainer since day one, if I remember right. She's been a poor loser, fought against the program and a struggle to get doing the workouts properly. It also appeared to me that Jillian was trying to stir things up a little. It showed her asking Amy if she wanted to switch trainers and then she said Amy came to her. I dunno.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 5:48 am
I'm with you Chiliwili!
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Smartypants
Member
03-09-2007
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:12 am
There is a definite tension between kim and jillian, it seems to me they have very different views on fitness and very different views on how to play this game...It feels like they are competing against each other (maybe b/c they are the two women?..i wish being 2 women against a man they could help each other)... And I think that is a big difference from season 1 to the other seasons...season 1 was more (not 100% but more) about getting healthy and changing your lifestyle and the person that looses the most, wins.. as the seasons go on it gets more and more about the "game"... how to loose the weight to win the life changing aspect is just a by-product if you will ah well, nature of the beast btw, totally agree about jez looking great, I hope he keeps it up
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Ohiomobprincess
Member
11-07-2003
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 7:29 am
Great show last night. I honestly hope Neil doesn't win, but in real life cheaters often profit. I think Kim is a nightmare. I wouldn't want her as my trainer. I hope Amy posts better numbers next week. Stress releases cortisol and that's the 'fat hormone' for lack of a better name. I think that's a valid reason for Amy's lack of weight loss.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 9:42 am
Amy has had low numbers this whole season. I don't see stress lasting this long myself. I have seen that her trainer has really had to struggle to get her to put in any effort. I did get the impression that Jillian and Kim have a jealousy issue going on. It's too bad if it's true. I like Kim. It could just be editing that's showing her badly. I don't know. I think she's been put in a tough situation having Jillian come back on the show and the reception she's gotten. Kim hasn't handled some situations well but we all have those days.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 11:22 am
To me Kellie comes off as very aggressive and Jillian sneaky. If I was one of the group I would train with the guy.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 11:29 am
I keep reminding myself that we are seeing seconds from conversations that last minutes (for example when Kim was *throwing Amy under the bus). If I was in Kim's place and my team asked me for guidance in the vote I would have either walked out of the room or told them that strategically they should vote out Amy. Sorry that Amy is upset but that would have been the best choice for the team to make and I don't fault Kim for saying it. Also, I love Jillian but the show HAS had it set up from the beginning for her to be the returning heroine and they are obviously trying to create a sense of rivalry with Kim. Until I see a direct conversation btn Jillian and Kim I am ignoring all those editting hints. I have to say that I am a little disapointed with Bob. Sure he was angry with Neil but I was sorta hoping he would tell the team not to play it that way and not to reward Neil's behavior by keeping him in the game.
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Trueheart
Member
09-12-2006
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 1:13 pm
Sorry that Amy is upset but that would have been the best choice for the team to make and I don't fault Kim for saying it. I don't either.....which is insane because I DO NOT LIKE KIM!!! I don't fault Kim for saying that because it was the truth and I think that is why Amy got so defensive. Amy also knew this was the truth. Although I do not think that Kim is a good trainer I do think she has had quite a struggle this season trying to get her team motivated. Amy in particular. She has always had a bad attitude IMO. I have not enjoyed watching her on the show at all. I really wanted (and still want) Amy to go home. It does not sit well with me that Neil threw the challenge. I don't like it when any reality show does that(esp. in Survivor!) BUT I can understand why he did it. Yes.....this show is about who can be the biggest loser and the prize money at the end is supposed to be a reward for that person, but as we all know the money factor changes people. I'm sure the producers knew that it would not completely remain an "upstanding" show. It is categorized as a "competitive reality show" which as we have learned is pretty much synonymous with strategy. Competition=strategy. Even TAR which has always been a pretty clean, clear cut competition has had seasons where they gang up on one team that they want to go because they are competing too well. I think almost every show has had underhanded strategy. Does it make it right? NO. But IT IS a way of playing the game. Again I don't like the fact that Neil did it but I was surprised by how outraged everybody was. They acted like it was the first time that anyone had ever done that on the show. I mean have they seen any of the other seasons!!!!!!!! Plus I'm pretty sure that the red team themselves played a little of the "weight gain" game themselves when they had immunity a few weeks back and then the week after came up with big numbers. <100>
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 2:59 pm
I think that my point was missed. Kim told the team what to do. She is not IN the team, she is not PART of the team, she was simply the coach trainer. Kim based her decision to keep phil using the false assumption that the teams would stay 'as is'. Here it is a week later and there are no Blue Red and Black teams. the REAL team made a decision best for them in the game. Kim's wishes should have nothing to do with 'the game' I have not watched all of yesterday, some is on tape. I missed the first Fifteen mins completely. Kim seemed snitty and upset. To go on and on about feeling hurt? How dare she when she Didnt give two sh*ts about Amy crying during the pre-vote off meeting when telling the guys to keep the men and get rid of the only person left...Amy. personally, I think Amy is going next week since her jumping trainers makes her a target of suspicion with the other cast members. When I made the comment about Stress and weightloss, I wasnt referring only to Amy. No one lost huge weight this week. even the normally doubledigit guys were 4-5 lbs
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 3:47 pm
Sun, I got your point (or think I did LOL). What I was trying to say was that it all depends on context. I imagine they sat in that room for a long time, lets say an hour... tossing back and forth strategies. We heard Kim make a 2 second comment. Would it change your mind if they asked her over and over for advice and she kept saying its your decision, leave me out of it. Lets say they asked her half a dozen times and she finally said FINE, let me tell you the way I would play it. Then Amy gets mad and Kim is person non grata. Now Kim is hurt because they asked for her input then punish her for it. Not saying that is what happened because we have no idea. What I am saying is that I refuse to judge her based on these few seconds of editting. Kim doesn't leave me all warm and fuzzy by any means. But if you add up all the milisecond glances caught on film and the one or two sentences we see her saying each week... it just doesn't add up to a three dimensional image. PS Amy's non-weight loss could be because of the new trainer in that she worked (and built) different muscles. How much did she eat at the temptation challenge?
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:34 pm
Chilliwilli, I agree with your take on things. Amy is a problem for the trainers. I was so hoping she would go home tonight and she might have, had Neil not decided to cheat. I'm confused, because what he did is everything the show DOESN'T stand for and he shouldn't he be booted for purposely gaining weight on a weight loss show? He's hurting himself gaining/losing weight like that. It's not healthy and the show is trying to portray a healthy way to lose weight. What does that say to people trying to lose weight on their own and looking to the show as a guide? IMO, it should have been grounds for them to kick him off the show. He completely disregarded the intent of the show. What now happens to his teammate? She's got no chance with him as a partner. I knew Amy would either gain weight this week or lose none. She's more about the drama and whining, rather than doing her workout. She's always been one going behind the scenes to manipulate people to keep her rather than put in the hard work. Too bad she and Neil aren't on the same team. One of the reasons she didn't lose could have been because she was runner-up in the poker game, so she ate a lot of cookies/crackers. Last week, I felt Kim was right to tell them if they didn't want to be sitting ducks and be picked off every week, Amy would be the best to go home. Amy should have taken that as game and not held a grudge against Kim because it's only hurting Amy because it's another stressor. What I don't understand is, there are supposedly new teams, but the old teams are voting for their old teammates? Biggest Loser messed up this time with this switch, because it backfired. Neil should have gone home. They should let each person have a vote, not just the team, because it's rigged this way. Shame on his blue teammates for keeping him. He's using this "one for the team" way to his advantage and they don't even realize he's using them. I'm confused about water. I thought one was supposed to drink a lot of water while dieting. I thought it sped up weight loss and yet they said tonight a gallon of water is 8 lbs.? Does drinking water make you gain weight??
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:39 pm
It was temp weight Cricket. JUST before the weigh-in Neil gorged himself on water to up his weight. As soon as the weigh-in was over he would go to the bathroom and poof... weight gone.
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Msbullwnkl
Member
08-16-2005
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:40 pm
I got the impression that he literally drank the water right before the weigh-in, with no time for his body to absorb it or "expel" it. Why weren't the trainers at the weigh-in this week. can you imagine the fireworks if they were present when Neil weighed in?
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:44 pm
You know thats a great point Msbullwnkl! I wonder if the production crew knew what Neil was doing and so kept the trainers away. All three of the trainers would have gone balistic. Great thought (love the conspiracy ideas LOL).
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Smartypants
Member
03-09-2007
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 7:03 pm
i would think that each contestant is weighed in before the taped weigh in so that production knows what order they want to put everyone in as to increase suspense and such so I agree that knowing of neils weight gain is probably why trainers weren't at the weigh in... or it could be maybe b/c there are no more teams too...lol this show is the best for conspiracy theories...
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 8:31 pm
It was temp weight Cricket. JUST before the weigh-in Neil gorged himself on water to up his weight. As soon as the weigh-in was over he would go to the bathroom and poof... weight gone. Ahh, thanks, Rissa. He's playing a dangerous game with his body. You can drown by drinking too much water. I don't know about conspiracy theories, but the NBC website wasn't open when I tried to access it. Many people are extremely upset that Neil wasn't kicked off the show...maybe they overloaded the forum.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 9:16 pm
They need to have a penalty of some kind for anyone who 'gains' weight, like maybe a 10 pound penalty the next weigh in. Now unless his teammate does the same thing next week and 'gains' a lot, he's set himself up to not lose next week due to the big 'loss' he'll have from not gorging on water. It would be great if his team mate would gorge on water this week to offset his big 'loss' and give him the same that he gave. I also don't think Amy has any reason to hold a grudge against Kim. <100> We do not know that they didn't ask Kim for her opinion or advice on what to do. All we know is what they showed us. Personally, I would have lost Amy a long time ago as she's not putting in the work to support the team. And, every time there has been a temptation comp she's eaten junk she shouldn't have, hasn't she?
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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 11:49 pm
This is the first time in all the seasons of this show that I have cried about the show. I was beyond furious at Neil and I am glad he was shown <100> on national television. If they succeed in getting to all blue teM I hope the other beat him - then all he will have is his reputation <100> I agree there should be a penalty for gaining. I was just so sad to see Jez go....so sad.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:34 am
Does drinking water make you gain weight?? yep, try it yourself. Weigh yourself immediately as you get out of bed. then drink a cup or so of water and weigh yourself again. You'll be amazed. I would go up about five lbs just from water (done before breakfast) my confusion is that the man SHOULD have a shrunken stomach. I wonder if they are eating huge salads or something so they dont go into starvation mode. I find it hard to believe anyone could guzzle 15 lbs of water. that is 2 gallons?? YIKES
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