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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Julia has done incredibly well. She has shown good temperament, leadership skills and ability to produce results. The only thing holding her back so far is lack of knowledge. It would be great if one way or another she can get some better training out of this and make a career out of it.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Personally, I'd love to see Julia win and have Ramsey do the thing he did on the first season... what's his name? Ramsey took him under his wing and taught him.

Kstme
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08-14-2000

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kstme a private message Print Post    
The BBC America is running, 'Boiling Point' right now. It was done approximately 8/9 years ago.
It's the first 'reality' show Ramsay did. It's really good and gives you a keen insight into his passion for food and perfection. It reflects on his first taste of being a celebrity chef and not wanting that title. You really see the evolution from then to now. The show is worth the watch! It's on in the morning.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
What impresses me and probably Ramsey too is Julia's ability to cook foods she hasn't dealt with before and turn them out perfectly, like that rabbit.

If Rock had any sense he'd have showed Ramsey his skills both cooking and leadership wise by helping out during service.

I come from a long line of professional chefs and bakers. My grandfather worked in some of Chicago's finest hotels and my sister has worked as pastery chefs in some wonderful places in NY and now in Tuscon and my brother worked with Wolfgang Puck for 2 years before moving on...but I never took that route, professionally....yet often times I feel like I have a more natural ability than my siblings, parents when it comes to cooking. I may not know the fancy (french)names right off the bat of some dishes or sauces but I can figure them out and make sure the taste is spot on. I think Julia is like that. She'll make it in the industry with either a little mentoring or traditional culinary schooling.

I hope Ramsey sees this! Considering who else is in the running I think Julia would be the best choice for the future.

Hotfudge
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07-03-2005

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hotfudge a private message Print Post    
One thing I have noticed about Rock, is he is NEVER on the meat station. He's always doing veggies, or garnish.

Trini
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07-06-2004

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trini a private message Print Post    
quote:Personally, I'd love to see Julia win and have Ramsey do the thing he did on the first season... what's his name? Ramsey took him under his wing and taught him.

I do agree 100%
Have you noticed chef Ramsey looks at Julia with pride and some how knows she is really trying and does have the ability to become an amazing chef one day.
I enjoy watching her work.

Rock is a nasty piece of work and vindictive, the thing he does with is mouth and frowns his face is so mean.
Imagine during Brad's summation, Rock in all his rudeness says "say my name” in a bullying manner. I have lost all respect for Rock.

Good luck Julia!!

Trini
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07-06-2004

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trini a private message Print Post    
Lilfair: Well said!!! Congratulations on your talented family.
I needn’t say any more.
Very maturely stated, good luck!

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 2:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
I thought it was funny how when Chef yelled at Jen about her wandering around looking lost or something to that effect, they did that slo-mo or still shot of her with her arm up in the air looking the the hump back of Notre Dame! She was so nasty last night, but Rock was unbelievable. He's just so nasty. I'm glad Chef called the men on not helping out, but Jen wasn't any better. Julia carried that whole team. I agree with all the comments made about her having a natural ability and if she had training, she'd be fabulous.

Allstarmaniac
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07-14-2006

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 5:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allstarmaniac a private message Print Post    
I agree with everyones statements about the contestants. I would be disapointed if anyone but Julia wins. I think Ramsey is the kind of guy/chef that would love to be Julia's mentor. He could take her under his wing and train her properly before he let's her have the restaurant. She has certainly shown that she is ready, willing and able to learn and improvise. I think she has leadership skills that were evident during the breakfast challenge. SHe hasn't let them intimidate her and has for the most part gotten along with everyone. She is my choice and I hope she is his too.

BTW thanks Kstme for the heads up on Ramsey's Boiling Point. Can't wait to see it.

Darclyte
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07-11-2005

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 5:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darclyte a private message Print Post    
I would love Julia to win if Gordon offered to send her to a great culinary arts school instead of the restaurant, and then once she graduates, either allow her to go to the resort, or work at one of his restaurants. If she won the prize as is, she wouldn't last a week. I also don't think she could be "taken under his wing" as is, she just knows too little to work at a high end restaurant. Culinary school would be the best thing for her. I can't recall all of the simple and standard things they've shown that she doesn't know (there's been a bunch) but they've talked about her lack of knowledge to the point that it has to be much worse than even what we've seen. Gordon has been known to change the prize, so if she were to win, it would be the best for all involved. And I think it would be the best prize for her...with her hard work, leadership, and cooking skills...formal culinary training would make her a star.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 5:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I agree, I'd love to see Julia get some culinary training.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 8:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
I agree with all of you about Julia. She has terrific potential. I think Gordon has kept Bonnie so long because he really is partial to people with a good palate.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 8:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
Culinary school????? pffft just pour on the ketchup :-)

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 10:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
LOLOL You got me again Ketchuplover!

Shel
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07-27-2005

Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 8:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shel a private message Print Post    
Much better than mustard. Or (shudder) mayo...

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 12:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I think Rock is the most talented but his anger issues need to be addressed. Of course Ramsey isn't much of a role model for that..lol

I really like Julia and I agree that I would like the Chef to offer her professional schooling.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree. Ramsey needs to talk to Rock about his anger issues.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Wouldn't that be like the pot calling the kettle black?

And there is absolutely no offense intended in that statement, in any way, shape, or form!

Jodied75
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08-26-2004

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodied75 a private message Print Post    
Did anyone catch the latest rerun of Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares? It was the one I mentioned upthread about how I admired Ramsay's concern for a chef who turned out to be an alcoholic and was drinking on the sly.

It really seems like much of what we see on Hell's Kitchen is put-on, although I also agree he is going way overboard with the sexist remarks this season.

By the way, is calling someone a "donkey" like the ultimate insult in Scotland? It seems to be Ramsay's favourite insult, anyways.

I noticed another thing while watching Kitchen Nightmares that I've seen Ramsay do in everything I've ever watched him on. He often does this little hippety-hop bouncing thing on his heels that I find very endearing. When he's enthusiastic about something and trying to empathize his point he does it. Even when he does it because he's steaming mad, I still find it cute.

Allstarmaniac
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07-14-2006

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allstarmaniac a private message Print Post    
Jodied I've noticed it too and think it is adorable. He really does have a kind heart and is very empathetic but what you see is not put on. That's the real Ramsey. His behaviour in the kitchen has been lengendary since he first appeared on the culinary scene. You gotta love his passion though!

Alliet
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07-11-2005

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 7:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alliet a private message Print Post    
Calling people donkeys is not an insult in Scotland alone (if it's even an insult there). Gordon does not even sound Scottish (though I know he is from there) so he's probably picked it up in the South. I dread to see how they are going to spin his moods and insults on the new show coming up on Fox this Autumn. The UK version isn't as bad and the F Word is wonderful especially when you see him interacting with his wife and children. He seems like a nice man in those setting but he really does seem to be very passionate about food.

Jodied75
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08-26-2004

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 8:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodied75 a private message Print Post    
No Allstar, I know what you mean, everything Ramsay is in proves him to be be temperamental and mouthy. What I mean is, he is at an extreme in HK. In Nightmares, he yells and swears, but he doesn't go around throwing food at people and insulting them (at least not the personal-type insults on HK, like "dumb blondes" and "fatty" or making fun of them for things they can't help - like Eddie's shortness from his kidney problem). He's just not that mean on KN.

Out of curiousity I looked him up on Wiki, and his father was apparently a "womanizing alcoholic". He just put out a new book (one in which I promptly placed a hold on in the library) which apparently goes into his childhood as he never has before. They kept moving around until he was 16, then he moved out and in with his older sister.

I thought this was very ironic: I read at Wiki:
After his professional football career came to an end at age 19, Ramsay paid more serious attention to his culinary education. He worked as a commis chef at the Roxbury House Hotel, then ran the kitchen and 60-seat dining room at the Wickham Arms, until his relationship with the owner's wife made the situation difficult.[1] Ramsay then moved to London, where he worked in a series of restaurants until being inspired to work for the temperamental Marco Pierre White at Harvey's.[1]

After working at Harvey's for two years and ten months, Ramsay, tired of "the rages and the bullying and violence", decided that the way to further advance his career was to study French cuisine.


I've never seen anything that shows him with his wife or child, where did you see this? I'd love to see something like that.

Trini
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07-06-2004

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trini a private message Print Post    
A donkey is the most stupid animal on earth (he is created that way), a donkey understands nothing it is slow and cannot be guided or led. It is also called a jackass.
It is the only animal one can kick, strike, yell at pull at and it will not move or care. When one refers to another as an **s it is saying, one is stupid, slow, lacking any ability to understand and take instructions. You are in other words in their eyes useless on this earth.
Sad really.
Apart from that Christ chose to ride into Jerusalem on a donkey to show simplicity, He did not use an Arabian horse to show that He is king.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 8:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
The F-word series showed his wife and kids. Lovely family.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Trini, I don't know where you get your information (are you quoting from the bible), but your information on donkeys is entirely wrong. Check an encyclopedia or even Wikipedia.

Some things to note:
Ancient Greeks associated the donkey with the god of wine.

Ancient Romans valued the ass and used it as sacrificial animals.

During the American gold rush "Their sociable disposition and fondness for human companionship allowed the miners to lead their donkeys without ropes."

And finally "As noted, in the context of the Hebrew Bible this connoted wealth and affluence befitting the House of David, as at the time commoners are described as simply going on foot. However, in later times when the aristocracy used horses, depicting the messiah as riding a donkey came to have an opposite connotation, as indicating a simple, sober way of life and avoiding luxury. The same connotation is evident in the description of saints such as Francis of Assisi as riding donkeys."

I don't know what Ramsey's intention is, but "In football, especially in the United Kingdom, a player who is considered unskilful, and to rely overly on his physical attributes to cover up his technical shortcomings, is often dubbed a "donkey." "

<77> Some breeds of the donkey were bred as pack animals, some have been bred as guards. If a donkey is "slow and cannot be guided or led" then how the heck have they managed to be such work animals for so many years? They can be led (I rode a donkey down the hill and thru the streets of a town in Greece -- donkeys were used in lieu of taxis as cars could not negiotiate the narrow winding cobbled streets).