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Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001
| Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 8:45 pm
I lost a lot of respect for Laurel tonight. She has led her team through a lot of adversity - they have mostly been laborers or cooks as I remember it. However, this being in the "heavy labor" areas has enabled her district to be obviously WORKING and to earn four gold stars. And, yes, I think that is why Hunter didn't win tonight - I am glad to see that all the council membes are opposed, and I think (read - hope) that all four of them will be ousted!
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Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003
| Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 9:20 pm
I think the big thing about this episode was that we are reminded that kids are not perfect, and they have their good days and bad days, and they are busy learning from their transgressions. You wouldn't be a kid if you weren't out there behaving badly some of the time. Let's see, we saw good and bar behavior from: Laurel - kept things elitist by not changing her team Sophia - name calling and publicly humiliating Guylan Greg - physically threatening Anjay Zack - making fun of one of the girls who was crying, sleeping in and being lazy Emily - being uncooperative Alex and others - vocally being unwelcoming of changes Man, for once, Taylor was one of the least offensive kids! I'm really glad there will be elections. It keeps everyone involved in the process. I would like to see every council member changed except Zack. I think he is doing a good job and has a very mature and diplomatic outlook on things. I like him in a leadership role, as I think he is good at rationalizing. I am just plain not fond of Sophia. I have said it before, and I'll say it again; she is an antagonist, who would prefer to criticize from the outside looking in. I agree that I would rather her put her money where her mouth is, and run for council. I am also disappointed that foul language is allowed around the little kids. I think there should be SOME rules enforced by the adults, and I think swearing is one of them, especially around the little kids. Sure, the big kids like Greg and Blaine are probably swearing around their friends. But in a public competition with the 7 and 8 year olds present, I think should be not allowed. Have I mentioned before how cute I think Alex is with his single tooth? I would like to see Greg, Michael and DK as leaders. All of them are gold star winners, so all have shown some sort of merit in the past. I was also proud of how the other Michal (former council member) welcomed Nathan to the red team. I thought that was great.
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Dexxx15
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10-25-2007
| Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 10:13 pm
man after seeing this episode i would like all the council memeber to be changed Guylan.. cause he doesnt want to be on the council anymore.. Dk will do a much better job.. MJ well i feel bad for MJ no one on his team shows him any respect.. Olivia was just trying to stir the pot vause she hates MJ.. she needs to stop being stuck up and realize that he has been doing the best that he can.. Greg so he can see that its not ez being on council.. he needs a taste of his own medicine.. my lil 13 year old brother said he would like to beat him up cause he thinks he is such a big shot and likes to beat up on kids younger than him.. my brother is like im younger let him pick on me.. (BTW im 24 and my lil brother is bigger than me) i just laugh.. Blain has more of a leadership roll than Zach ...i think Zach did a better job than Taylor but he got comfortable in his postion and has slacked a bit. the yellow district is still know as the lazy district.. As for Laurel.. i was sad to see that she was sooo closed minded when it came to switching ppl.. even ppl from her own district said that they thought is wasnt the right move.. also i dont like the way she reacted when Michael rasied his hand for council.. like she had been backstabbed.. and on the preview for next week she thorws a fit .. Michael will make a great leader.. not only will he be loyal but he would embrace change.. so i hope they all change well mabey not MJ i really dont think Greg should be up there i was hoping that Nathan would run but if my choice is between Greg and MJ i choose MJ.
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Allietex
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08-16-2002
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 8:17 am
First of all, let me say, I think Hunter should have won the star. Have no problem with Blaine, he worked hard and earned it, but from what I gather, Hunter has been doing what he does from day one. He leads the church service on Sundays and he goes over and above with what he does, like cleaning up the town. I think two things went against him. He would have been the fifth member of the green team to win and the rest were a little tired of it. And it seems that when a person suddenly shines, like Blaine did, it catches everyone's attention. It was a harsh show. It showed a lot of the kids in a bad light. To me the worst was the red team treated Guylan and Nathan. Especially Nathan, he did not ask to be traded, they could have had a little compassion for him. Mike's apology was nice, but it was a too little, too late. And I was very disappointed in Greg. His "jerk" side came out again. What is the big thing about his "best friend" Blaine leaving? It was not like he was going home. He was still there. I think Greg just liked having Blaine as his "sidekick." I have noticed as a teacher that a lot of kids like Greg need an audience for his behavior, good or bad. Blaine was Greg's. And his bullying of Anjay was the worst thing I have seen so far on the show. His threat of physical vilence was disturbing. But Greg, bless his heart then shows his nice side, by comforting the little girl who was crying. And the funny thing was, Blaine seemed delighted with the change. He even said he would no longer be in Greg's shadow. And he blossomed, to the point where he won the gold star. I was puzzled by Taylor's outburst that Zach let Randi go home. What did she think Zach could go about that? Seemed a strange comment. I think the shakeup should have been a required thing. After all, the elections are. They do not give them a choice there. They should have made them completely redo the districts with no leader allowed to choose any members from their old district. I also hope all the council is replaced, simply because it is time to let someone else have a chance to lead. Also I would like the critical ones to have a taste of what it is like to have to satisfy everyone. And Anjay is going to really enjoy his last days there a lot more without the pressure of being on the council. Laurel, as great as she has been, is beginning to be affected by the power corrupts thing. I think her shock when Michael raised his hand says a lot. Guylan has found out it is not easy to please everyone and that just because you do what is right, does not mean you are going to have everyone's support. And Zach has done a much better job than Taylor, but I would like to see Blaine have a shot at it. He is definitely more of a leader. It will be interesting to see if Blaine and Greg are both elected, will they team up again or will they butt heads over decisions? I think one thing this episode shows is that the idea that kids are going to be able to create a better society than grownups is a little naive. Peo;e are people no matter the age. They have the same personality quirks, the same insecurities, the same ambitions, etc as adults. They are not magical because they are kids. they are still people
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Babyruth
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07-19-2001
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 10:07 am
It would have been interesting to see a show that was not so heavily scripted and orchestrated by adults. And I wonder what the unedited footage would be like to see, perhaps showing some of the other kids we don't see much (like the 12 year old girl who went home...what was her name?). Still, I watch it.
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Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 11:42 am
I hate to say that I am still so shell-shocked by the first episodes, that I am still being happy whenever any of the episodes is not about Taylor.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 12:28 pm
LOL Juju, There were two Taylor bits last night: as already mentioned, her being angry at the council member for letting her friend go home and then her suggesting they didn't take enough rocks to win the prize "who cares" is what I think she said. Anyway, the cursing doesn't bother me as much as just ugly words shouted at each other, but that's what people do in anger. I'm not sure you can set a rule against it. I do wonder if they have a strict rule about romances. These are pre-teen kids, aren't they developing crushes on each other? Yet we see nothing of that except LAuren saying she liked Blane's hair. I dislike the misleading previews. Switching one member from 3 teams is hardly mixing things up! It would have been a mix up if they had drawn names from a hat, like they do on Survivor. Still loving this show.
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Laneesmom
Member
05-12-2005
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 1:01 pm
I have so very many thoughts about this show. I love it.
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Kellsma
Member
08-28-2002
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 2:34 pm
Brenda, I brought up the romance thing a few weeks ago. There must be strict rules because yes, you have 13 and 14 year old girls and 13-15 year old boys and there have been no sparks!!! Seems a little to planned out for me but other than that I love this show and I also hope all council members are replaced, especially Anjay and Laurel just because it is time for new leadership for those teams. I also think those two should a different experience for the last 12 days. I almost wish they had to be removed so that no one was on town council the entire time. I am expecting to see all replaced and it looks like it is all older kids that are running for town council this time so if they all make it, might make it interesting as well. Love this show!
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 3:19 pm
I enjoyed the show. Olivia was down right mean and rude to Anjay.
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Laneesmom
Member
05-12-2005
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 3:38 pm
Yeah, Olivia was annoying as all get out. I think Anjay also isn't a very good leader.....but something about her really irritates me!
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 4:06 pm
Mallory>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Olivia Laurel went from the penthouse(awesome singing)to the outhouse.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 4:11 pm
I still like Laurel even though I didn't agree with her not giving up a member of the green team. She should have given up Sophia.
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Roxibalboa
Member
08-15-2004
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 7:37 pm
This may have been brought up before, but is Nathan on Kid Nation the same Nathan on Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader?
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 8:01 pm
I'm confused about the mixing of the districts. When the book said 'mix' I thought it meant acutally MIX up ALL the teams. Laurel has gone way down in my opinion by not doing what was best for the town and thinking only of her team. Did the people taken from a team get replaced by another person? It was hard to tell. I know the Red Team got someone, whom they were very rude to, but couldn't tell about the Blue and Yellow Teams. Denecee, I'm not sure Laurel had to 'give up' anyone. That's what confuses me. The other teams were just welcoming people to their teams. Seems like doing it that way would make some teams smaller/larger than others. I was hoping Sophia would challenge Laurel for the council seat, but I'm glad Michael is. I hope he wins. If this show is being so scripted, why in the world didn't the producers evenly disburse the kids with some from each age in each district. It's not fair to the younger ones to have one district with a lot of the older children. Roxi, I don't know if it's the same Nathan. I'll have to pay attention next week.
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Biscottiii
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05-29-2004
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 8:09 pm
Wow, Olivia got downright nasty with Anjay. Curious that she DIDN'T raise her hand to run against him this time. Last election, Olivia said she would be back to run against him until she won but maybe she realized that she might not have enough people willing to vote for her this time no matter how much they laughed at her comedy routine. If I recall correctly, back with the religious services episode, Olivia had major issues with Anjay, because he was ?Hindu? and she and her little sister were not very tolerant Christians. I wonder how much she's been undermining the entire period of time. Hoping Olivia doesn't win a Gold Star period, especially after lastnight's tirade! Perhaps Anjay isn't as strong and effective as Council Member, but haven't seen anybody on his team treat him decently at ALL! Sad. I'm with some of the other posters here. I hope Anjay steps down, just so he can experience a more pleasant experience for the remaining time and take away some positive memories for this once in a lifetime adventure. Former Councilman Mike seemed to relax and seems to be doing better once he got the boot. (Granted, Mike was a bully lastnight, but overall he seems more likable than when he was on the council, imo.) Too bad that the 'power which corrupts' has gone to Laurel's head. I agree that she needs to step down, just so that she can experience the other side of this adventure and give Michael a chance to show what he can do (he's just such a gentle leader type, can't wait to see him in action)! Also would be fun to see DK running things, he's so self secure and mature, plus poor Guylan is almost begging to be put out of his misery (which I have no doubt DK senses). Looking forward to next week.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 8:54 pm
This is the second show this week, that put on previews LAST WEEK that something would happen, and then that thing was really a cliffhanger preview, and it would actually happen a week later than they made it seem. Won't say the other one, for fear of spoiling, but I don't like the tactic.
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Biscottiii
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05-29-2004
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 10:09 pm
At the risk of sounding cynical yet again. . . I find it interesting that ALL the new candidates willing to compete for City Council, just HAPPEN to have each already won the Gold Star. No other kid even raised their hand. I know that, for the most part, these youngsters are the Cream of the Crop and have more confidence that they could provide leadership. But still... Might it be part of the adult orchestration, so that the previous Council steps down just in time to be able to compete themselves over the next few weeks for the ? Guess we will know when we see the last few stars awarded, think I read here that there are only 5 stars remaining.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 11:16 pm
Cricket, this is the way I believe it happened: Blue Blaine went to the Yellow team because they had only little kids. Yellow was already short one spot because Cody had previously gone home. Now Randi has 'walked that lonesome highway' too. Blue Nathan who was the homeschooled hardworker goldstar winner, & was yelled at all the time by Greg, went to Red Team where they were so hostile. Poor kid probably felt right at home, he was used to being yelled at. Red Emilie(9) who hated the Red Team and refusing to work, went to Blue Team where she promised to step up the pace and seems more contented, actually. Green Team of course "Welcomed Nobody" - - - So by my calculations, it sort of evened things out better. The Blue team that lost two but gained one with Emilie in the trade had bigger kids and more strength to begin with. Hope I got this right. Initially I thought all three teams lost one & gained one but now it doesn't look that way to me. (PS-will someone correct me if I got it wrong please?)
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Curlyq
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07-10-2002
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 1:00 am
You got it right, Biscottiii. It's a good thing they gave someone to yellow without asking for someone in return (although they probably didn't want any of them) since yellow ended up losing another person. All we knew about Randi was that she was the only girl to vote to oust Taylor. I was hoping/expecting the gold star kids would run for council since (a) they're supposed to be the best of the bunch and (b) they won't have to worry about the council position preventing them from getting a star. I'm really surprised Sophia didn't run. I've wondered in the past if Greg had a little crush on Sophia. The other two girls who I'd expect to be pursued (Migle and Natasha) have already turned the boys off with their laziness. The one good thing about the way the shakeup went down is that we can't say the adults were controlling it. The kids made the decision and the kids faced the consequences. I do wish the producers hadn't overestimated the strength of the children to pull those heavy rocks. That was sad. Blaine would be a good leader in that the little ones do what he says, but Zach may be a better leader intellectually. I don't blame Blaine for not wanting to be always seen as Greg's sidekick. Watching Olivia with Anjay is like watching a shark that's found blood in the water. As soon as she sees he's getting upset, she moves in for the kill. Let's see. So far we've still yet to see much of Jasmine, Madison, Campbell, and Gianna. Have we seen Brett?
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Snoopsmom
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02-19-2003
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 6:29 am
Biscottiii, I caught the coincidence of the 4 kids raising their hands to run for council were all gold star winners. They are also all older kids. Wouldn't be surprised at all if there was some manipulation from the producers to totally change the council so the old members can compete for gold stars going forward. Poor Anjay, he just broke my heart. He deserved major kudos for changing up the blue team and taking in Emilie. Such a mature decision to not make an easy selection of someone hard-working, strong or popular, but to choose someone he thought he could really help turn around.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 6:44 am
Maybe having some adult "guidance" is not such a bad thing after all! Haven't you read "Lord of the Flies?"
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Gonzilly
Member
07-09-2005
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 7:02 am
Roxi, the Nathan on the 5th grader show is 9 years old and from Colorado. The Nathan on this show is 11 and from Illinois, but they do look very similar.
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Roxibalboa
Member
08-15-2004
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 8:26 am
thanks Gonzilly.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 9:13 am
I don't find it unusual at all for the gold star winners to run for council. They already have their gold stars. And they are the more vocal and active of the kids. that is why they won the gold stars in the first place. It is natural for them to want to be on the council. It is the natural progression. I would have been surprised if Greg had NOT stepped up. I think it is more interesting that they are all boys. Perhaps the girls are a little more sensitive to what the council members have had to face and have no desire to put themselves in that position. The boys probably think they can handle it.
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