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Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
LOL Texasdeb.

I was pleased when Taylor cried, but it didn't even dawn on me that those were manipulative tears -- but I bet they were.

The bar scene was shocking to me too. Did you see them dropping the shots into the "beer" and chugging it?! How did they even know to do that?? I'm all for having a good time, dancing on the tables, but you don't have to have drinking races.

Rubyroo77
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08-13-2005

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rubyroo77 a private message Print Post    
I also think the drinking in the saloon was disturbing. I love this show, but was horrified that these little children were playing drinking games. I wonder what cbs was thinking.

I think these kids are really cute- all of them in their own way!

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Oh my gosh Brenda, I said the same thing! How did they even know about dropping the shot glasses in the rootbeer mugs! That is serious drinking & bar etiquette. I found that appalling to have children doing that. What is CBS doing even giving them shot glasses! That scene was very disturbing to me.

"PS - could SOMEBODY get Laurel some chapstick?" LOL, I've been saying the same thing for the past 2 shows.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 10:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I think many of them need chapstick, not just Laurel. Poor dears.

I imagine some of the kids have seen their parents play these drinking games, or seen them on tv. Since they are put in the position of being the adults, they are "actling like adults" in many ways. I think that all the time when I see little Taylor say "just deal with it", and especially when she did the head chopping off acttion. I wonder how many times she's been told that herself. So I don't dislike her so much. I think she's just mimicking what's been done to her.

Yacky
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07-06-2005

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 10:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yacky a private message Print Post    
I dont think that it being her birthday was the only reason that they gave Mallory the gold star. I think that when her sister nominated her that they paid more attention to what she was doing. They showed Mallory washing dishes in an episode and she was cleaning up the flour that the others threw around.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Taylor is the kind of kid that really is sorry for her behavior and cries geniune tears...that is until the next time. I don't think there is any maliciousness in Taylor. She is just spoiled.

I think she is a kid with a good heart and a lot of intelligence. If called to account enough times, this might be the best thing that could happen to her. Kids are not like adults. They will eventually get fed up wioth

She is the kind that just might learn a real lesson from the experience. I hope so, because at times she is really cute and likable.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 11:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
I quote from Taylor's bio when asked what makes a good leader:

"...someone who makes sure that the job gets done and that everyone does his or her part."

Karen
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09-07-2004

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karen a private message Print Post    
Sounds like a pageant answer to me.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Sounds like "do as I say, not as I do" to me!!

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
I went into Greg's bio hoping to find more to like. With the exception that his mom is his hero, I didn't feel that his answers opened his personality up to me at all.

Then I went into Michael's bio and admire him more than ever -

Jodied75
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08-26-2004

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodied75 a private message Print Post    
I have visions of future frat parties dancing in my head...

Wonder if the network is pulling the same trick they do on reality shows to drum up the drama..only rather than getting adults hopped up on alcohol, they're getting kids hopped up on sugar!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
I don't believe it's the fault of CBS that these kids were behaving that way in the bar, and I'm glad they showed it. Maybe it will wake some people up to what we're doing to our children when we constantly bombard them with images of this kind of behavior.

Where I live, our local CW station used to show those disgusting dating shows every afternoon at 5, right when the kids were home from school and the parents were still not home from work yet. They'd be able to witness all kinds of "adult" behavior through programming like that. You know those kind of shows where one guy dates four women at a time and they end up naked in a hottub or getting drunk at a bar? Our society doesn't seem to care what our kids are exposed to anymore, as long as we get our adult entertainment.

Taylor's main pageant queen talent is the ability to say what people want to hear whether she means it or not. Remember the meeting where she assured everyone that the yellows did their best to get up and make breakfast on time? She was lying, but she said it with a straight face. She reminds me of a politician, or of the kind of men I've worked for. All lip service. My reaction to her behavior is an urge to spank her parents.

Hate to admit it, but my favorite line of the show came when Taylor was crying. "Taylor, you're doing a lousy job. Deal with it!" They must've edited out whoever put a stop to the feeding frenzy. Her tears weren't swaying those kids at all. Then suddenly she had stopped crying and they had stopped shouting for a re-election.

I'm not sure what job the yellow team will be useful for as long as Taylor is their leader. They won't be good at cleaning and laundry, and I can't imagine they'd be good as merchants with such a poor work ethic.

They should make a swap. Each of the other three teams sends one of their older members to the yellow team in exchange for one of their current members.

Glenn
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07-05-2003

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 4:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Glenn a private message Print Post    
Steady yourself Karuuna, I am going to agree with you.

Watching Taylor made me wonder if a parent of hers was cringing while watching Taylor's behavior on this show. I couldn't help but feel the only way Taylor developed her habit of telling people in a most unflattering way to just deal with it had to be something she has heard many times over in the same manner. As much as I dislike seeing Taylor be this way, I don't blame her entirely at this point.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 6:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
I thought Taylor's tears were real. The kids ganged up on her. I think it scared her. I didn't like the bar scene. I didn't think the kid wiping his mouth and saying "I gotta have my root beer" was funny at all. Oh, and if somebody would ever tell me to "deal with it", rest assured I wouldn't.

Roppiepie
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05-06-2004

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 6:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roppiepie a private message Print Post    
I hated the bar scene! Doing "shots"? What was up with that?!?! Very disturbing to see young kids doing that stuff.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 6:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I think it is CBS' fault that they supplied kids with shot glasses. What in the world would kids need shot glasses for. Totally unnecessary.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 6:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Drunk drivers of the future.

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
I find it interesting that when (apparently) left to their own devices, they set up rules for themselves that mirror what they would have at home, they create hierarchies, and they generally behave in a very grownup manner. I guess I expect that, at least in the early stages, they would goof off a lot more than they are doing and sort of run rampant.

I'm sure part of that has to do with the kids they cast. They've obviously made sure there are varyied backgrounds and types of experience (farming, butchering, cooking, etcetera).

As for the "bar" behavior, I don't think it's surprising at all, given the images they see every day of how adults behave -- whether those adults are their parents or folks on TV. One hour of watching MTV would give them lots of "wonderful" behaviors to model.

But the hinky stuff like that doesn't bother me so much. I'm more impressed with the level of responsibility kids like Mallory exhibit at the age of 8 and the other abilities the kids have shown to generally lift each other's morale when needed, pitch in learning new things and doing chores instead of playing, making decisions that benefit the group long-term instead of in the short run.

We forget that it really hasn't been all that many years since kids in these age ranges were expected to pitch in and do a lot of these things. People had kids so they would have free labor on the farm or ranch or to help run the local mercantile. Kids didn't spend their time so much in school as they do now and they certainly weren't allowed to spend the remainder of their time playing -- and of course there was no TV, no video games, no iPods. Kids were a part of a working family and were expected to contribute.

It's nice to see that, when they have to, they still CAN DO THAT.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 8:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
It's funny, I forgot to mention it last night, but I was telling my co-worker today about how stupid the bar scene was. I wasn't so much "appalled" as I was "puzzled" as to what was actually getting dropped in the shot glasses (grenadine?), and also what the point of chugging Coke is.

I thought the whole scene was stupid and incredibly contrived (on the part of the production crew).

I also wondered if anyone was making these kids brush their teeth at night, after having all that sugar.

Rubyroo77
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08-13-2005

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 9:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rubyroo77 a private message Print Post    
One thing I think we need to keep in mind is the editing. CBS can edit this anyway they want to, because we don't have live feeds, sometimes we don't know in what order things were said.
I was thinking about that because Kail from BB8 had said that cbs made her look like she was lying because they showed a couple scenes out of order.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 9:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Taylor is definitely getting the (unfavorable) editing AND the air time.

In show biz, all air time is good. Especially if one is a beauty pageant queen wannabe.

If I were her parent, I would be absolutely cringing at the editing she is getting to make her look like the spoiled brat privileged kid with the let them eat cake attitude.

And while they are railing at the injustice of the editing that makes their kid look like the worst one out there, I hope the parents are also realizing what an ugly attitude and habit they have given to their daughter. She didn't just invent this "deal with it" schtick. She learned it in the home. It is not pretty. On the rare occasion, "deal with it" is the proper response, but it is not a best first course of action.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 10:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
About the third time she said 'deal with it' to me, I'd be slapping it right off her face.

The one thing you can't forget is that if she hadn't said those things and behaved in those ways, they couldn't have edited it for or against her.

I hope her future pageant judges are watching and taking notes.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 11:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Amen Chilliwilli

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 5:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Doing boiler makers and shots was very disturbing. TPTB have more of a hand in this show than they admit.

Taylor is not very likable and I dobt her edit has anything to do with it. I'm wondering when she watched the show if she's mature enough to understand why she's not coming across as likable.

The dust storm was a bit scary. I have to believe that tptb were there to make sure all the kids were inside and not wondering around.

Wrangling the sheep has been my fave comp so far.

I'm ready for a coup.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, October 05, 2007 - 6:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I haven't watched the show yet, but from the description here I'm a little surprised that CBS would show the "drinking" angle, given the generally negative view that many Americans seem to have of alcohol consumption.