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Curlyq
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07-10-2002
| Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 7:17 pm
Wow. That recap really captured the feeling of this episode. Nasty behavior, prowling and peeping in the dark, and more phony apologies probably brought about by off-camera adults. What I don't understand is DK's behavior. I'm so disappointed. I thought he'd be great on the council. He had no place in that fight between the green team and the two eavesdroppers. Nobody said anything bad about him. Why was he joining in on the harassing of the girls and arguing with the green team? That whole scene just came off as so smarmy, and I felt sorry for those girls who were treated like pieces of meat just for walking down the street. I don't care what anyone says. That Greg is not some misunderstood sweetheart, and his moments of sweetness are coming off as more and more phony and camera-conscious with each episode.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 7:47 pm
I think when he counsels the little ones, he is genuine. I think he is like the big brother you mostly hate, but has his moments where he kicks the crap out of your ex boyfriend for treating you badly. I hated this whole episode completely. I just think there was so much more to what went on than we saw. How does Greg get voted IN by a landslide, then fall from grace so quickly? I think the green team was JUST as offside as the resulting behavior from Greg and Blaine. I do remember that these are kids, and kids (and adults) just plain don't do well with conflict resolution. Yelling and being on the offensive are how they work. It takes decades to realize that you get more bees with honey than vinegar. And it takes even more time to know when to act accordingly. None of these kids deal with conflict very well, and many actually create conflict. I don't find many people on the green team very likable on the show. I like Michael, but even he yelled today. I just wish that they would show ongoing conflict, and not sum things up all tidily by the end of the show. Like, when the kids were mad at Greg at the town meeting, and then within 15 seconds of TV time, Greg was like, "Oh ok!! All I needed was time to realize I was being a jerk." TIME TO REALIZE?!?!?! Where was there time to realize? They were all still in the council meeting!!! Gah that scene bugged me sooooo much!!! I need someone to put Sophia in her place. Everything she says is all about Nazi regimes. She always labels people Nazis when she doesn't like how they are acting. I am realllly bothered when she says it all the time. She needs better ways to express her dissatisfaction than calling people such emotionally charged names.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 9:06 pm
Greg got voted in by the blue team. I'm sure if the rest of the city had a vote in it, he would've lost. The blue team had no respect left for Anjay, and Greg was the only alternative. Speaking of which, isn't it interesting that only one person from each district was interested in running against the council members? And isn't it interesting that they held the vote right then and there rather than giving the candidates time to really campaign and speak one-on-one with their constituents? They've had some good councils in the past, and never did they have council members prowling at night to peep in windows and eavesdrop (remember they thought they were just going to the girls' bunkhouse). That was just creepy. Then they threatened to punish them for their remarks by withholding the gold star. I'm glad Anjay pointed out that this is exactly what the first amendment is about. They shouldn't have to worry about getting punished by the authorities for voicing your opinion. They really need at least one girl on the council. The challenge was interesting. They still needed the old council members to give them the right answers. Zach cracked me up. I did wonder why the host was yelling out the teams' answers every time he went to check them. Couldn't the other teams hear that? I was glad Laurel won a gold star for all the work she's done so far, even though she did take her loss very badly. With the exception of the team switching business, she had always tried to be fair and make smart decisions for the town.
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Stacey718995
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07-06-2007
| Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 11:21 pm
I loved the line from Zach.. I would call Blaine a.............moderately intelligent guy...........I say moderately I was cracking up, I love when someone is "trying" hard to be nice, but couldn't find anything. Some cute kids on this show
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Nicoleme
Member
07-17-2005
| Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 8:33 am
I was wondering if at the end of the challenge there is only one team left so they will be laborers, if the other teams can help them? So they can at least win the reward. I know its by teams but its also a reward for the whole town. Im just wondering if its a rule that they cant help them or do they just not think of it?
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 8:54 am
I think there must be a rule that each team has to function independently in a challenge. Otherwise, I am SURE these kid would have been smart enough to think of helping!
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 10:46 am
The Green team was upset by Greg's election to the Council. So they were voicing their displeasure at his two-faced actions/words. Blaine & Greg were eavesdropping outside the bunk. They went to DK and said that the Green team was complaining about all three of them (they included DK in that). We (the audience) did not hear Green talk about DK, but Greg & Blaine told DK that he was also being trashed, so he sat out in the middle of town with Greg & Blaine. Of course, Green denied saying anything about anyone (stupid, because now we see that you are lying) and Eric (a Blue member who was in the bunk with the Green team out and out lied) but Michael owned up and apologized. Funny how at the meeting of the council members that next morning how Greg was all for apology (sounds like he got couched by a Producer????). The respect game....may work with a smaller group, but 37? Expecting them to stay completely quiet through 37 introductions? Give me a break. I wonder what the town book was suppose to say this week - cause we never saw the new council read it. Maybe it was about listening to others and that is how they got to the suggestion for the meeting (but cut that part to make room for more footage of the various altercations between the kids in the center of town, etc). Laurel is a sore loser now. She was doing so well the first half of this show. But, like Mike, I think that she'll benefit from being on the other side of the council table. Mike thought it was funny that the guy who beat him in the election and got him off the council then realized it wasn't easy and just gave up (Guylan). Mike definately seems to have a different personality now that he's off the council. Taylor - all talk, no action (whether it was her 15th time claiming she's going to change, or her threat to just go home). Just like a pagent princess - schooled on 'what to say' for the judges, but doesn't do any of the things she says she would do (i.e. working towards world peace, etc). DK is feeling the stress of being the leader for his group, forgetting to listen to his team. Michael does a much better job at that. I think Blaine & Greg are at risk for poor listening skills as well (thinking they know more than their team). Time will tell. Only a few more episodes I think.

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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 11:26 am
Am I the only one who doesn't care for Guylan? Really surprised at DK last night. whoa! I'm getting tired of the good Greg bad Greg routine. It just confuses me. Happy to see Laurel get the star. She deserves it. Although shes not my favourite by far...and she made a big mistake by not trading someone, she thought she would be doing he team proud but it failed. I really get a kick out of Sophia. I wonder if Taylor will receive the last gold star? Will L'il One Toof get his own show? LOL ..hes sooooo cute!
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 11:40 am
And I'd love to see Olivia on council and maybe she'd stop all the eye rolling
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 12:07 pm
I think people are being too hard on Laurel. She said that she was humbled and some other nicey nice things. It says a LOT that Greg, Blaine, Michael & DK wanted to give her a gold star.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 12:27 pm
I think all the kids are doing well considering the circumstances they are facing. Also, there is an age range from 9 to 14. The kids nevertheless interact with each other. Some are mature. Some are not. Maturity doesn't seem age related in this group. I enjoy the kids. They are doing better than adults would do.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 2:09 pm
The good Greg/bad Greg routine is a typical 15 year old boy IMO. I've seen grown adults who would have evesdropped at the window and had the same knee-jerk reaction to criticism he was hearing about the council. After he had time to think about it, he did realize the error of his ways and admitted he had a problem. A lot of adults wouldn't do that. I think he's a good kid and will become a good man. He just needs a little more growing. I really, really hope they do not give Taylor a gold star. I was mad when they gave her the letter from home. She needs a wake-up call to realize the town does not appreciate her crap any more. Tough love, Baby. I think it will take way more than one tough love to wake her up though. I would hate to see Olivia become city council. Ugh!
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 9:54 pm
Will L'il One Toof get his own show? LOL ..hes sooooo cute! I hope so, Cinnamongirl. He's just sooo adorable and what a sweet personality. I'm on the fence about Laurel. She did act like a sore loser and I also thought she was doing well in the first 1/2 of the show. As far as Mike being different after not being on the council anymore, I didn't like him when he was on the council. There's just something about his attitude I can't take. I don't know what to think of this council. Perhaps the kids might have wanted to think a little longer before deciding the changes would be the best thing. I'll have to see how they do next week. I wish they would have withheld the letter from Taylor. She's been playing everyone since Day One and this might...I say might...have woken her up and made her realize it's not all about what she wants anymore, but about pitching in as part of a town family.
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Friday, November 23, 2007 - 6:45 am
I also wanted them to follow up with the sanction of not letting Taylor share in the reward. I assume they have also continued to pay her for work she hasn't done. I still say she needs a spanking, but if they continue to let her get away with not doing any work, then they deserve it.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Friday, November 23, 2007 - 10:00 am
I am telling you guys are going to be mad as heck as I think this show has it written all over it that Taylor is getting the final gold star.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Friday, November 23, 2007 - 3:11 pm
If it had been anything but letters from home I would say that Taylor shouldn't have gotten the reward. I think it was right for her to get her letter.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Friday, November 23, 2007 - 9:39 pm
I did not agree with them withholding the reward from Taylor in the first place. After all, she did help win it. She should not be paid until she does her work, but the reward is for winning the competition, not for the work they do. The first rule in assessing punishment is not to threaten what you can't back up.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, November 23, 2007 - 10:37 pm
And the second rule is make the punishment fit the crime - no work, no pay! Help win the reward, share in the reward!
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 12:10 am
Did I see (or imagine?) someone please help me out here. When they went to the saloon to do their disrespectful ?lesson? on showing respect - - didn't Taylor take a big swig of her sodapop, just before the games began? If so, I would bet they've been continuing to hand over the paycheck. Doubtful Taylor's saving her nickels for the lean times. While it's easy for a youngster like Zach to make threats to withhold the pay, it's harder to stick to the plan (especially with many of the team maybe beating on him for being mean to a little girl). Personally, I think Zach's skills and brains have been a major factor in the Yellow Team competing better than Green Team in the challenges. I will be totally disgusted if she lands a goldstar, but like Stacey said, I think they're scripting this show - setting us up for surprise ending of 'no-work beauty queen takes home the prize'. Probably give her a tiara and ribbon and have her walking on top of the bar, with Miss America music blaring. Sure hope they DON'T do that, though. It would only reinforce stereotypes that beauty always wins out - over hard work, personality, and brains! Especially since this next week it looks like Taylor says she doesn't like to read and doesn't want to attend school.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 7:32 am
I thought I was watching CSPAN there for a few minutes. Heheheh...reminded me of the Senate, with about the same results.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 12:07 pm
We've seen in the past few episodes before this one that Taylor has been doing work. She was hauling water, doing laundry, etc. It's just that when she has one of her moments when she doesn't want to take orders, that's the clip they'll show us. I agree with Allietex that Taylor's punishment shouldn't have been to lose her share of the challenge reward. I also think her work ethic should be handled by Blaine, rather than the whole council. With Greg on the council, Blaine is back in his shadow. Maybe when Zach was taken off the council Taylor figured the old rule of no work equals no pay was no longer in effect. If they had withheld that letter from her parents, she would've cried her eyes out and they would've been criticized for being cruel. Add to that the fact that kids keep leaving because of homesickness, and Taylor had already expressed her desire to leave. If the reward had been something more frivolous, it would've been easier for them to stick to their guns. I did think it was strange that we didn't see them reading from the journal, unless I just missed it. Usually they'll begin their meetings by saying "we read the journal" and then go on to explain what they're about to do. Were they sitting at the table when they came up with the idea to play the respect game? That would be a clue that they at least read something from the journal. I doubt Taylor will get a gold star, although as someone pointed out at Reality TV Calendar, she's the only one there with the guts to stand her ground with those three bullies. I'd give stars to Mike and Zach before I'd give one to her.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 12:40 pm
i love Zach.. hope he gets a gold star
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Foolscap
Member
09-04-2004
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 1:51 pm
Curlyq, I completely agree with what you said above. I would love to see Zach and Mike get gold stars. I'd also give one to Alex just for having such a good head on his shoulders at such a young age. I also think thay jumped the gun a bit giving Blaine a gold star and making him a council menmber, perhaps I shouldn't begrudge him the star, he does seem to work hard. But I don't think he's a particularily good decision-maker or leader, more just older and bigger. I think he might always find himself in Greg's shadow. Despite his flaws, I think Greg is a thoughtful and fair-minded kid, a natural leader type. By the way, I don't think they showed the council reading the journal this week either.
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 1:57 pm
aren't there 3 more gold stars? If so, I'm for Zach, Mike, & Hunter getting them. Everyone sitting on the council have received the gold star. Laurel received her gold star & fully deserved it. I also think former council members Zach & Mike deserve a star. The council is not an easy position to hold as we've heard everyone who's been on it comment. Anjay, & Taylor were just not good council members for different reasons: Anjay didn't have or get the respect of his team & Taylor - well enough has been said about her. Guylan stepped down - even though he did a better job IMO than Anjay & Taylor - so I would not reward him with a star (you have to wander if he may have stepped down so he will have a chance at the gold star don't you).
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Laneesmom
Member
05-12-2005
| Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 9:58 pm
Zach? But wasn't he the one laughing at Randi last week when she was crying and homesick?
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