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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 10:58 am
it would have been great for Greg but since he didn't get it this past time, it appears he doesn't feel he should continue to work for it according to the previews i saw for next week's show. again, i equate it to the employee that only 'works hard' at yearly review time.
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 10:59 am
They're in New Mexico, CND, I think. Far as I understand, the desert gets hot, hot, hot during the day, but can get to below freezing at night and at dawn as the sun is coming up.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 11:09 am
I'm amazed at most of the kids.. actually the whole bunch is amazingly articulate. In a way it was too bad that the council members (esp Mike) aren't experienced enough to see that if they had given the second gold star to the older guy (Greg) who started out being sort of a bully and then became incredibly helpful, while perhaps assuring the peacemaker/diplomat kid (Michael) that they were not forgetting him.. they could have solidified the improvement in the older guy. Or they could have stressed that they had considered Michael the first week and that this week it was between Michael and Greg, so keep up the good work, Greg! I think Mike was still getting back at Greg for his rudeness the first night. Of course it parallels the problems in corporate organizations when they try to create morale with rewards like employee of the month.. often they create more ill-will because of their choices. The chicken killing, or something similar, comes up on so many reality shows.. Survivor, Treasure Island and similar shows. Certainly it happened on the frontier reenactment shows which involved families with children and it many kids are involved in 4 H and raise certain animals who will ultimately be eaten. It is a real life choice and there's no tofu in those situations.. And the little council member, Taylor, well it is hard to realize that she's so young but she's creating a little brat pack and even some of her peers aren't liking the slacker attitude. I think this is a lesson that choosing an entire group who were so young wasn't the best strategy.
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 11:13 am
Re: Taylor... let's not forget this is a CBS show, a Mark Burnett show... it's all in the editing. The fact that we're seeing her as a little brat-pack-in-the-making, surely means that she will have her epiphany in a few weeks and will turn into the all-star, 'this-has-been-the-best-experience-of-my-life' girl.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 11:22 am
If the }gal that is taking up all the slack in the kitchen would back off, the Yellow team would get jumped on by everybody and maybe clean up their act -as well as the kitchen and dishes! Just sayin'
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 11:26 am
I also miss Jimmy. I think Taylor could get some 're-education' from her peers on her own team and that might just be a lasting lesson. Could also be that in real life she's super driven and studious and is just letting her hair down being away from home. Time will tell, but it wasn't a pretty sight last night. I liked that some other kids were pointing out to her that Sophia and others were HELPING her out. Also interesting that the youngest team Yellow still hasn't come in last. The last place team has more of a mix of ages but isn't working well together, so far. OH and Zmom, yes! Jared is a cutie.. I just love his narratives! Cr8.. I wish your kids could have made the interviews for season two.. you might want to check into it, just in case they are still recruiting.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 11:30 am
Karen, I agree about the Mark Burnett editing.. And TNT, I was thinking the same.. Sophia should make a statement about the cooking..well she certainly has tried to do that, but just tell all and sundry that she won't be picking up the slack unless and until the group as a whole gets their yellow butts in there and at least does the dishes! If nothing else the yellows should be required to pay the non yellow helpers..
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 11:37 am
Agreed SeaMonkey about why they should have given the gold star to Greg. I do have a slight fear he would have then slacked off, but I also think there's a chance his pride would have stepped up and he would have continued to contribute. I think the one council member does hold a grudge against him. Taylor, oh dear. I think she's a very cute girl who's gotten away with a lot of bad behavior. I wish the town would mutiny and do a vote on a new council. I doubt she'd get re-elected. It's just funny to hear her say how hard they are trying and then see stacks and stacks of dirty dishes. Okay, so maybe they need help with the cooking. That is fine. But any age can clean up! As for the chickens, I don't understand why so many felt they had to be present for the killing. I wouldn't have been there. The video shown was not graphic. I'm sure they'll cook a few more chickens in a few days. I'm really enjoying this show.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 11:39 am
Good idea Seamonkey -- the yellow team should be paying the green team that has been cooking. I keep forgetting to ask if anyone know when this was filmed? I was assuming summer because the kids would be out of school, but I don't think it freezes in the summer in the desert, so was this filmed in winter? Why aren't these kids in school? LOL.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:57 pm
It was obvious that Greg was only doing the extra work to earn the star. As soon as he got the star, he would have gone back to his old ways. Michael was working hard from the beginning. And now Greg is going to go back to being the bully teen that he was in the beginning. Sulking. The mistake made by the council was not acknowledging the hard work, thanking Greg specifically, and then mentioning that they looked back on effort since the start of the show (not just the past few days). And that they will continue to look at overall work ethic, not just 1-2 days worth. I think this was filmed in the early spring. As for school - this is the worlds best field trip! Too bad they don't realize that eggs & beans have protein. But the purpose of the chicken killing was education, and challenge. Maybe they can start catching rabbits? I have the feeling that one of the reward choices might be already dressed fresh meat (venison anyone?).

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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 1:09 pm
I thought the news articles said this was filmed during the school year. After what we've seen of Greg (shoving little kids, vandalizing, etc.) I don't blame them at all for not giving him the star, and seeing how he reacted I wouldn't blame them if they never did. It would be different if he had felt badly and apologized for his obnoxious behavior, but for the oldest kid to be running wild like that puts all the other kids in an impossible position. They were powerless to stop him from doing whatever he wanted. The only thing that turned him around was learning about the gold star. Once he got that, he would've gone right back to being out of control and maybe even more so. I just don't buy the idea that it would've made him more responsible. There are 39 kids there, and 37 of them haven't received a star. If they're going to give Greg a star they should hold out as long as possible since it's the only thing that motivates him to behave. I think what may be bothering us about Taylor is the idea that for every "pageant queens don't do that" there is probably a mother somewhere who taught her this. When the host asks if anyone has a problem with the council, I was hoping that was an invitation to change the council members. Apparently it's just a chance to air your grievances. If the council members never change, doesn't that mean they can never get a gold star? Taylor needs to be switched out with either Michael or the boy that told her off. He seems to be another voice of reason and certainly came in handy during the chicken debate. I wonder how many chickens they have. If they kill too many they'll be losing the eggs as well. I agree that Sophia needs to stop helping the yellow team and just let them face the consequences or forfeit their paycheck. At least some of the yellows were doing their job, but leaving a pot of corn sitting out for two days is ridiculous. I'm surprised they even have leftover food. Couldn't that be fed to the animals?
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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 1:17 pm
i don't think kids that are really on their toes about good behavior around Christmas time or any other gift receiving time remain that way throughout the year.
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 1:24 pm
Guess it depends on the parents, Cnd, and how they raise the kids. If I EVER acted any way other than obedient and respectful, at any time of the year, I knew there'd be consequences. Heck, when I was 15, I spent two weeks without a bedroom door 'cause Mum told me to stop slamming it and I didn't listen. All 5"2' of her came up with a screwdriver and took the door right off, LOL. Believe you me, I don't slam doors anymore.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 1:26 pm
That food sitting out, would be bringing in varmints, including the snakes.. so that should be addressed. And after reading .. I'd say they were correct to choose the gold star winner, but too bad they didn't give Greg lots of props and say he was well on his way to winning one himself.. could have made a huge difference. He's clearly got huge potential and talent and they need to harness that. I am an optimist and I've seen employees turned around if given some guidance and encouragement.. sometimes just finding out that your talents are appreciated makes all the difference. I think even some of the kids on Taylor's team should be considered as replacement for her if she cannot get motivated. They don't necessarily have to bring in an older kid; some of her own team mates are starting to hate that she is giving them a bad name. As to the chickens and eggs, yes I certainly hope they keep enough for eggs and even get into.. well I was going to say raising chicks but I guess the timeframe really isn't all that long, so it is sort of like Survivor and other situations where you don't get into animal production, just choose between eating the animal or using eggs or whatever. Even adults go back and forth with the issue of killing to eat. On Treasure Island New Zealand just yesterday the last woman on the island went to lots of trouble to create a pig trap and then when they caught a pig she refused to kill it and argued to let it go.. but then later after much argument she ended up eating the pork and really enjoying it.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 1:51 pm
They said last night they had 18 chickens - and I didn't even have to look back at the tape!
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 1:57 pm
Kid Nation cast kills two chickens at the suggestion of the manipulative producers Kid Nation took precisely one episode to take the producers’ relatively subtle guidance into what came off as outright exploitation. On the second episode, which aired last night, the fake “journal” of the fake “settlers,” which is really just a way for the producers to inject artificial drama into kids’ already dramatic lives, suggested that they kill some of their chickens to eat. On the one hand, nearly all the kids raised their hands during a town meeting when asked by another kid if they ate meat regularly, and introducing them to the reality of their food source isn’t necessarily a bad thing, even though most adults probably have never actually watched their dinner get killed. On the other, the kids appeared to be eating (presumably frozen) hash brown patties at breakfast one morning, so it’s not like the producers aren’t providing them with the food they need to stay healthy. Worse, this came after the kids were given jobs by the producers that included caring for the livestock. Here, kids, fall in love with the animals, and then watch as someone else chops your friend’s head off and serves it to you for dinner. The show seemed dead-set on illustrating the reality of dinner to its audience—again, maybe that’s good—and while a brief disclaimer showed up on screen, it was still pretty unexpectedly graphic, as the editors included everything except the actual head chop: the dead chickens’ heads sitting on a stump, their headless bodies running and thrashing around, and the plucking of feathers and gutting of guts. Perhaps the most disturbing moment, though, came at the end, when Emilie—the primary chicken murder objector, who at first threatened to leave and later locked herself in the chicken coop with two other kids to protect the chickens—told us why she’d decided to stay. “When my mom told me to come here, she said to be a rough-and-tough cowgirl, so I’m going to stay.” In other words, I don’t want to disappoint my mom who forced me into this situation I hate.
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Freetimefinally
Member
01-26-2006
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 4:36 pm
Thanks for the explination as you see it Twiggy. If my kids were watching this they would not see history. Just a way of life. They have been places where outhouses are still in use(In America and overseas). Used water pumps and have been in houses only heated by wood with no electricity. They have also helped process pigs, deer, goats and helped clean fish. (They do have a couple of goats as pets and know these are off bounds for eating) We have never killed chickens because they really help keep the bug population down at the house they are at. By the way my kids are 6 and 9. I figure these kids do have electricity as the lights all dim at once in the hall and noone is ever lighting lamps. I also wonder about the bathroom situation(I could be wrong here as I have not seen 100% of all shows) but have any kids talked about not wanting to go to the outhouse at night. My husband still mentions how he hated doing this as a child at his grandmothers because you never knew what was outside or in the outhouse. I cannot imagine this not being a big thing for some of the kids. they are also never splitting firewood or getting soil ready for planting which I think of as a big part of surviving in the past. I so love coming here to see different peoples views as it helps all of us understand ideas and thoughts of others.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 6:09 pm
I will address getting soil ready for planting as I don't know what you have for firewood in the desert! I think the first pioneers burned buffalo chips, but that source is certainly no longer available! They would not have time to grow any crop that I know of in time to harvest it. Growing seasons are relatively short here in the south because of the heat and - usually! - the moisture. An afterthought - maybe there was a safety issue with the axes for firewood? It is really not an easy skill to learn!
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 6:41 pm
We've gone to places with outhouses, too. It's a part of camping. The town has a saloon, and other buildings set up in an old west setting. To me, it has a historical feel, and it does give the kids a bit of the way MOST people used to live. Thus, it has historical value. I do realize that there are people who still live in that manner. When I say they are learning history. Yes, they are learning history, because that is the way a lot of people used to live. And you're welcome. I appreciate different views, too.
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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 8:20 pm
i love the stars and the heart, jimmer. thanks for putting the kids in their respective class colors.
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 8:24 pm
Oh cool. I was gonna say thanks for color coding the kids. I didn't even notice the stars and the heart. Nice touch, Jimmer.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 9:00 pm
Thanks! I haven't had a chance to watch the second episode yet. I have it recorded and I will be watching it. I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed the first one.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Friday, September 28, 2007 - 4:55 am
I want to thank you too Jimmer.Good job. I thought the second show was very heartwarming. Adults could learn something from these kids about how to help and support one another.
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, September 28, 2007 - 11:35 am
oh how sweet! thanks mods for putting a heart on jimmy's picture. that is so sweet. i wish he would have stayed. he's younger then my son and i applaud him for staying as long as he did. my son could never last there.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, September 28, 2007 - 12:07 pm
Great job Jimmer! Thanks so much!!! With 40 kids, that definitely helps me keep track of things!
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