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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 7:04 am
LOL Sun. You have kids, right? You know what that reminds me of? When you have to go for the pregnancy ultrasound and they make you drink all that water then leave you in the waiting room until you are ready to explode. Hope Neil was in pain at least.
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 8:08 am
Drinking water makes you gain but isn't it suppose to be temporary? I quit smoking 3 months ago and have gained 30 lbs, and as I watched this show I'm wondering is it because I am now drinking a lot of water? I thought water was good for you? And how can any one gain that much in one week he must have sloshed when he walked!! LOL
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Smartypants
Member
03-09-2007
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 8:30 am
drinking water is good for you...if you are excercising it is important that you even have more than usual b/c your body will be sweating out massave amounts the recommended is about 8 8oz glasses a day, but alot of people forget to take into consideration that alot of food, fruit, tea and other beverages have water bases or have fluids that act similar to water and actually end up drinking well over the 8oz what i do is make sure that i drink at least 4-5 8oz glasses a day b/c I know i will get the other 3-4 through food and other beverages if you drink alot of water it will temporarily increase your weight, but you should pee it out..if you don't that could be bad...no, you can't drown yourself but you will thin your blood to dangerous levels, causing many complications which can lead to death
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:02 am
"Hope Neil was in pain at least." I agree, Rissa. I'm a bad person because I was thinking I wish they would have locked the bathroom doors to teach him a lesson, lol. Smartypants, in a Physiology & Anatomy class I took years ago, there was a case of a woman drowning herself by drinking too much water and I heard of another case just a year or so ago. I'm sure it would take days/weeks of doing what Neil did, but if I was him I wouldn't try it again.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:06 am
Again I don't like the fact that Neil did it but I was surprised by how outraged everybody was. They acted like it was the first time that anyone had ever done that on the show. Here's my problem with what Bob did, Trueheart. It showed that he was on the show for the money only and not to lose weight and change his life. Anyone who was truly interested in a permanent life change would never do that to themselves. It was very telling that Neil will gain back the weight he loses on this show. It tells the trainer (Bob) that he's wasting his time with this person and Neil took the place of someone who may have actually wanted to change their life, not just win money.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:40 am
Water intoxication is real. Last January, a woman died when she drank two gallons of water for a radio show contest. Story HERE. Wikipedia description of water intoxication HERE. I remember in recent history, two separate cases of teens here in CO dying from taking Ecstasy. IIRC, the stories covering it said the drug made them thirsty or something (maybe it was that they couldn't process the water they drank, can't remember now). They ultimately died from water intoxication.
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Rissa
Member
03-20-2006
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:15 am
I think what happens is (in very simple terms) that you dilute your blood to such an extent that there is not enough concentration of electrolytes to make your heart beat. Probably should go look that up before posting it but go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong. Whoami, I remember that! It made pretty big news splash here.
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Smartypants
Member
03-09-2007
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:43 am
Cricket, I'm certainly no expert but I don't believe you can "drown" yourself by drinking water... Drowning has to do with water entering the lungs and interupting the breathing process... Like I was saying earlier, it is more to do with thinning your blood Water intoxication as Whoami said
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:54 am
Well, when I was in my class, the instructor called it drowning. I see they are calling it 'water intoxication' now. Either way you die. Thanks for the clarification Whoami and Smartypants. I've learned something. Quoting myself: Here's my problem with what Bob did, Trueheart. Oops, that should have read "problem with what Neil did."
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 5:47 pm
Water intoxication can be deadly if the sodium level in your blood is significantly diluted. It is called Hyponatremia. Causes seizures. Neil should have been kicked out by all the players - if they were truely playing this game. And that is what it has become, a game. After they go home, those still in the running for the money will resort to metabolic stimulants and crash dieting to get a thin as possible for that final weigh-in (which is why the winners can't keep off their lost weight, but those who came in 3rd or 4th are still doing very well).

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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:35 pm
that you dilute your blood to such an extent that there is not enough concentration of electrolytes to make your heart beat it is rather complicated but I like the way you've simplified it down to the basics. it isnt just Na+ that is affected, it is all of them....Cl- Bicarb- H+ K+ Our whole body runs on electrical transmissions. Even the movement of fluids in and out of each individual cell is governed by positive and negative charges. Dilute the Blood, you interrupt the transmissions. Cells can swell with fluids but cant expell the excess. The brain can swell. But the one time I had too much fluid, my potassium dropped like a rock and I ended up with Cardiac Changes and skipping beats. I was on a medication that made me really thirsty.
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 1:36 pm
The commercials make it sound like Neil has the plague lol. "Can they get over it(his weight gain)?" GMAB
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Bombaycat
Member
07-21-2007
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 2:02 pm
Jez was on the Today show this morning and he looks great. I think he said he as lost 118 lbs. Hardly recognized him.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 3:56 pm
The commercials are making it out like it was unplanned, unexplained weight gain. He totally fessed up to the water drinking in the confessional. And the others knew he did it. I can't believe they didn't kick him off for that. Cause it won't matter what his team mate does, he's gonna have at least a 17# wt loss this week, so she can drink a little before the scales, and then next week get high percentage weight loss. It's worse than cheating, what he did. <100>

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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 5:00 pm
While I'm not happy with what he did I find it easier to be critical of the show rather than him. The problem is that they set this entire show up as a game. It is all part of winning the "game". IMO it is the show's Producers that have created an unfair situation. I guess they felt that it wouldn't be entertaining enough for the participants and the viewers to just have people lose weight and change their lives for the better. It is sad that they did this.
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Stillett0401
Member
08-06-2007
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 8:45 pm
Who went home this week?
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Msbullwnkl
Member
08-16-2005
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 8:47 pm
David
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Stillett0401
Member
08-06-2007
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 8:54 pm
Thank you for answering!
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:20 pm
They def. should have booted Neil last week because of course this week he was the biggest loser, so they couldn't get rid of him. So not fair. It really affected Kae and her stay in the house. I still don't believe Neil is about his team; he is out for himself and they don't get how he's adversely affecting them. I guess I don't understand why the blue team insists on sticking together when they really aren't together anymore. Also, how creepy that Neil tried to get an alliance with the red team to get rid of the black team. He talked Amy into doing the same thing, so I was hoping either she or he went home tonight. I so wanted the team with 2 members of the black team to win the challenge and send one of them home. Is there any advantage to the previous team colors sticking together? Am I missing something?
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 1:28 am
I just felt sick about all the "game playing". However, I agree with Jimmer's point that they have also set things up to not be a pure contest by giving extreme advantages to competition winners. I think that is worse this year. Maybe they need to monitor their I/O???
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 2:32 am
the very least I would have expected this week would have been one of the trainers, preferrably Bob, to give everyone a lecture on the dangers of water guzzling. Neil, in my opinion, has gotten away with this fiasco scott free. His weight loss this week was something to be ashamed about, instead he shrugs it off.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 4:22 am
Did you all notice that nobody clapped for Neil when the scale showed a 33# loss? Now what's going to happen next week? They said something like "you saw Neil gain 17# last week, then lose 33# this week. Wait until you see what happens to him next week" (totally not the way they said it, but that's the gist of it.
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Wowprincess
Member
09-04-2006
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 4:52 am
I think that something probably was said to the group. According to Isabeau's myspace page, in her blog last week she stated that after Neil's stunt last week, the Producers created "the Neil rule" about water-loading. So, even though we didn't see it, and personally I think for the benefit of the at-home audience to understand that dangers of it, we should have seen it, I do think there was a lecture of sorts after the situation.
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Justme2
Member
08-25-2005
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 6:47 am
They should have deducted 17lbs from him this week. It was totally unfair that he got 33 lb credit! He is the biggest "loser"!
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 6:56 am
The only thing Bob does now is "commercials" Am I the only one that it drives nuts? "so and so come with me, I know when you get home you will need to make choices, an easy breakfast choice is Quaker Instant Oatmeal... let me show you" um... commercial!! So Biggest Loser tv production did a lot of selling out imho - they sold commercial product placement - but in your face (as opposed to just watching them eat or see the products) and then of course gunning for the "drama"... I also strongly believe the purposefuly weight gain has been done many times before... didnt we suspect this with the red team before they went "on holiday"? (not so dramatic of course) and a season or two back another contestant did the same thing, but when it was down to 5 or 6 players - he gained only 5 or so pounds, but then the following week it mattered, and he had a huge weight loss - it might have been part of some challenge (brain freeze, I just recall a man sitting on a chair on some kind of patio discussing his strategy with maybe the camera? or one other "team mate") The show may be having an identity crisis - what is it that is appealing to viewers, how can they keep it fresh? How can they rope more viewers in? Bringing Jillian back did a lot - but then setting up the black team - did kind of even the odds better than last season when the "home players unbeknownst to the campus players" came back to challenge for biggest losers, and were the first, easy targets, booted off... I'm sure there was resentment felt somehow that would lead the blue team to gun for the black team - strategicly keeping them selves "safe".... it just got the better of Neil, strategic game play - he took it to an extreme that he didnt count on the severe backlash... lesson learned... and I never thought that Amy's move to Jillian as a trainer was anything more than was portrayed on the show - Jillian I think does have an emotional tie to someone who is despaerate, who doesnt feel "good enough" and her trainer Kim certainly portrayed that to Amy - I believe when the people said they can pick their own trainers, Jillian saw the look of desperation on Amy - and just said, "I'm here" I also liked the post about the final wiegh ins for the "BIG MONEY" they have to do crash diets -
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