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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 9:15 pm
I don't know. In that one episode the yellow team was just going around dumping hash browns in the kids' bare hands, probably because the dishes hadn't been washed. I'm happy for Greg and I hope his attitude adjustment is permanent, but it's not his work ethic I was doubtful about. It was his treatment of the other kids: calling a little girl a b*tch, posturing like he was ready to knock Mike down, writing graffiti everywhere, etc. Not all of that happened in the very beginning. When he and Mike had their little showdown on the first day, he was trying to give advice to the counsel. Problem is, at that point the council members were still getting used to their position and needed to establish their authority. The last thing they needed was an older kid undermining them in front of the crowd. So I can see why Mike needed to assert himself. In the end, even though the two hadn't gotten along, at least Mike was able to give Greg credit and say something nice about him. I suspect the turning point for Greg was really when all the kids confronted him about his behavior a few weeks ago and he felt ganged up on. He now knows he'll have to answer to all of them if he acts up. Mike had a lot of good leadership skills, but he did need this humbling experience. I remember hearing him say "deal with it" in a recent episode, in true Taylor style. I'm not sure what got into Olivia, but she's a prime example of how getting the gold star doesn't always mean the child will be a sweetheart from that day forward. True, it was her sister that won it, but I'd be surprised if her parents didn't split that money between them. I don't blame Olivia for running against Sanjay, since he seemed to have no control over his team. It was just the attitude she had that rubbed me the wrong way. I love Zach's rule about no pay unless you work. Certainly makes sense to me. I also love that we're seeing some of these kids step out of the shadows and make their presence known. It's exciting seeing them realize that they have something to offer.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 12:22 am
It's got to be hard to realize your child is so unliked by her peers. They probably made her what she is. Children rarely have those attitudes when they are provided proper discipline and guidance. Hopefully, this will be a wake up call for the parents and they can help her change her attitudes for the better. Somehow I doubt it though. I'm thrilled Mike and Taylor were replaced; however, I found Zach's posturing/campaigning creepy. While Anjay appears a pretty ineffective leader, I'm glad Olivia did not replace him. I have a feeling Olivia would have been as much of a nightmare as Taylor was, if not worse. From the previews for next week, it does not look like Taylor learned any lesson whatsoever. I love the no work/no pay rule. I wondered how long it would take them to come up with something like that. Lastly, I hope there is some clause in their contract that prevents the parents from "sharing" Mallory's money with Olivia. If there isn't and they do, I hope Mallory sues them for her money when she's old enough. It's her money, not theirs to make that decision with and the decision should be made when she's old enough to know what she's really doing.
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Bblover262
Member
08-05-2005
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 3:18 am
Chilliwilli, I agree completely. I am a parent and I believe that is Mallory's money that she earned and, in my opinion, it should not be shared with Olivia.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 4:01 am
Did I miss something. Was it mentioned that Mallory 's money is being hijacked?
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 4:53 am
I have to applaud those kids for getting the presidents in the right order. I didn't know some of the earlier ones.
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Nicoleme
Member
07-17-2005
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 5:33 am
About the editing. When Zach was getting the votes and you heard cheering in the background if you look you dont really see the kids screaming and clapping so i think thats edited in for sure. Ive noticed that a few times that you hear cheering and clapping but look and no ones doing it.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 7:26 am
I have never questined Greg's work ethic either. I think he has done fine in that department. I don't think he is a bad kid either. I think he was acting just like a lot of big brothers do. A little bossy, and a bit of a jerk. But nice when the chips are down. I like Greg and agree that it was past time for him to get the gold star. Actually, I think Greg might be actually nicer now, because the tension of winning the star is gone and he will be free to just be himself. We will get a chance to see the real kid. Like I said earlier, he probably did not run for council because it would limit his chances for the star. And he really wanted it for the change it could make in his life. I would have liked to see him on the town council. Maybe next time he will run. About Mike, I actually do not think Mike has an inflated ego. I see him more as someone with an inferiority complex and weak social skills. He had very little self assurance and was constantly questioning his actions. He wanted to do well, but obviously often just did not know how. He did not seem to be able to persuade others to his way of thinking so he sometimes fell back on bluster. Very common among people with inferiority complexes. And he was geniunely hurt by everyone voting against him. People with a big ego would have just been angry. Now Taylor on the other hand is a prime example of an inflated ego. She never questions her actions and could care less what anyone thinks about her. Losing the election was the best thing that could have happened to her. She needs to experience being one of the "kids who sit on the low benches," as she put it. Kids like Taylor often live in a cocoon where everyone loves them and treats them special. It comes as a rude awakening that they are often not popular with everyone. The sooner they face that fact, the sooner they learn to "deal with it." I truly believe that Taylor will be fine. She is smart and tough and will probably be a big success it life. She is only ten years old. Lots of time for character building yet.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 11:00 am
I find it hard to believe "everyone loves" Taylor. My experience is that most people have a low opinion of people that act as snotty as Taylor has been portrayed on the show. And usually it gets worse as they get older. I'm sure she'll be fine and do well in life. But in my experience people that act like her end up being lonely because they haven't been able to maintain long term friendships....face it you can only put up with deal with it for so long. Her parents need to help her hone her social skills because from what they've shown us she's a bit slow in that department. Laurel, Sophia and Morgan are examples of kids that have good social skills and I can see them as being pretty well liked by most people they come into contact with.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 11:43 am
Are you kidding? Look at the yellow girls, and how they flock around Taylor. Trust me, the pretty, confident girls have people who like them. Sure she's mean, but as long as you're on her good side, then who cares, right? (at least that's how young children might think, before their social morality is fully developed)
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 12:18 pm
Sure she's mean, but as long as you're on her good side, then who cares, right? Sadly, I've seen many people not grow out of it, because they have a lifetime of getting away with it, due to surrounding themselves with folks who fear them or are just like them.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 12:27 pm
Not all of her yellow girls followed her into the voting booth. What will be the fall out for that little indiscretion? Only a small fraction of the kids of Bonanza giggle with her...the rest have nothing nice to say about her. Tis a lonely life one leads when you are your own worst enemy.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 8:48 pm
Well then this may be a good eye opener for her.. we will see (or we won't but she will).
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 10:55 pm
Lilfair, it was never mentioned that Mallory and Olivia would split the money. I just commented in my earlier post that I'd be surprised if they didn't, and the others were responding to that. Since Mallory wouldn't have even been considered for that money if not for Olivia's recommendation, sharing it wouldn't be any less fair than it was to give it to Mallory as a birthday present in the first place. The council wasn't even considering Mallory until Olivia spoke up for her. The rest of the kids were recommending Greg and Morgan if I recall correctly. As a little sister myself, I know I would've felt very uncomfortable keeping all the money knowing that my sister was instrumental in me getting it. It would've never occurred to me to sue over it, either. Maybe that's just me, though. I'm sure Taylor will do fine no matter what. Either she'll learn to be less self-centered and make good friends, or she'll stay the same and make friends who are like-minded. At this age the girls in her district flock to her because she's probably seen as the cool girl, and at that age no little girl wants to be left out of the cool clique. The no pay rule may shake things up, though. Can't wait to see how that plays out.
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Roppiepie
Member
05-06-2004
| Friday, October 19, 2007 - 11:30 pm
IMHO, They should give them a huge picnic for all the maturity they show when picking their challenge rewards!!!
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Christina
Member
08-07-2005
| Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 5:21 am
You took the words out of my mouth curlyq, Olivia promoted the Gold star for her sister. How nice was that? Families share dont they? Sue a member of my family?? Never! The host says, regarding each Gold Star...."for you and your parents to decide how use the money." Sorry, talk of suing is a little premature. JMO
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 6:25 am
Can win the gold star more then once?
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 10:26 am
When they say "...and your parents to decide how to use the money", I hope they have strict rules in place that the parents can't take it for their own means. I think they should have the money put in a trust fund until 18, unless it's being made payable directly to a college.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 9:19 pm
I hope there is some protection in place for that child's money. Too many parents I know spend their children's money and justify it by saying it was for the 'good' of the family. Since when is buying expensive toys for the good of any family? I just feel if the money is won or belongs to the child it should be protected for them until they are old enough to make their own decisions. And, I feel that if a parent spends a child's money they should be able to be sued by the child when he becomes of age. If the check ain't got your name on it, it ain't your money.
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Cr8ofdata
Member
01-13-2004
| Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 7:44 am
Ok I have to comment on the money issue. Here is what I think... Family is Family - end of story. In our home the parents make the money and the family spends the money! When, us, the parents our out of money and the kids want to do something they say, no problem mom and dad let's use our money. My kids help out and work in the family business and make money and do whatever it takes for the family. We are not out for just ourselves. We are a very strong family unit of four and we do most things together. Eat, watch tv, go on vacations, go to each others events, and so on. My daughter had an event at school and choose to go to her brothers football game because he was going to play for the first time and wanted to be there to support him. He in turn supports her in other areas of her life. I don't really think that family should be seperate. My husband grew up that way, ate alone, did everything alone and it took a long time to break him of that. He would even say that certain foods in the house was HIS - but as the kids got older he got it. I would much rather live in a One for ALL, ALL for One family then NO IT'S MINE!!!! Family. Ok just my opinion.
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Mammyyokum
Member
06-05-2005
| Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 10:11 am
Hate to sound like a party pooper here, but money is money and income is income and income is taxed by the US Government and most states. The prize of a gold star is the same as winning a new car on The Price Is Right. Taxes have to be paid by the winner before they can take it home. CBS has tons of lawyers and the laws concerning their winnings will be eplained to their parents before the stars are taken home.
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 1:07 pm
The California Child Actor's Bill. Brought about by Jackie Coogan. http://www.answers.com/topic/california-child-actor-s-bill I am not sure if the bill stands up in other states or not.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 3:24 pm
Cr8, I would agree with you if all parents and families were the same as yours. But more often than not, parents look after their own interests before their children's future. Forget prize winnings or grandparent's trust funds, how often do you hear about parents dipping into their kid's stash and never replacing it? It has happened several times in my own family. It would be ideal, if all families thought like yours. But they do not.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 4:05 pm
Thank you, Jodied75! That was my point. In Alaska every man, woman and child gets a dividend check every year from the Permanent Dividend Fund. I know many, many parents who spend their children's checks like it was their own for their own use (trips to Hawaii for only the parents, snowmachines, boats, etc.) and do not save it for the children's future. IMO those children should be able to sue for their money when they are ready for college and have no funds, etc. It's bad enough that the child's money is taxed at the parents' tax bracket and then they never see the money.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 4:24 pm
Granted there may be many instances of parents misusing money intended for their kids, but I don't think it's 'more often than not'.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 10:02 pm
How many parents are paying for their kids to go to college, or paying for their lessons, club memberships, etc. as they're growing up? It's not like parents are getting away with not shelling out big bucks to raise their kids. If a windfall comes their way, it should be up to the parents to decide how it's spent. Sure there will always be unscrupulous people out there, but I just can't believe they're the rule and not the exception. For the most part, I think parents should be the final authority on decisions affecting their children. Not the government, not the schools, and certainly not a television network. From reading Mallory's bio, I get the feeling her parents are doing right by her. I found it interesting that both she and her sister said they wouldn't trade places with anyone. In any event, I wouldn't consider sharing money with Olivia comparable to blowing it on a new toy. Hmm...free money and more men than women. Why am I not living in Alaska?
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