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Stacey718995
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07-06-2007

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
I may have to ban this show if I can't stop the tears!

I really felt for Anjay and I was not all that happy with Olivia

She may change next week but I was pleased how Taylor handled stuff

Michael, awww poor guy, he never saw it coming

I really do love this show. I wish I knew how much was fed to them to say, I am really shocked at some of the stuff that comes out of their mouth. I can't remember it now, but one of the questions that Sophia asked about the election.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I wonder too, Stacey. Some of them seem just way too smart and well spoken for their ages. I've actually thought once in a while that specific comments sounded memorized, just didn't "flow" out of their mouths.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
Did Jared say anything? Seeing him isn't enough. He must be heard!!!!!!!!!!!

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 11:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I thought they should of picked the food this time, like somebody said they could by a toothbrush or make one with a stick.
I was glad to see Guylan win counsil, he impressed me.
Zach is becoming my favorite.
I really like Lauren too even though she didn't feed the hungry kids,lol, instead made them brush their teeth.

Kstme
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08-14-2000

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 11:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kstme a private message Print Post    
Things I am NOT supposed to say regarding the show, so keep quiet, ok?

What I understood, from my daughter's friends who worked sound on this show, the kids were NOT fed lines. They may have said something really smart and it wasn't caught, so they were asked to say it again. I 'think' that's where it sounds rehearsed. Another, fyi, the sound people aren't thrilled with the editing. I don't know 'what' that means.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
I don't know why people are upset because Micheal was booted of the counsel. He cried and cried every single episode.

now taylor on the other hand just said "deal with it". I LOVE HER!

let's see how good of a counsel member Zach is.

I still miss little Jimmy, he was so precious.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Ketchup, Jared said he wanted that meat!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Makes perfect sense, Kstme! Thanks for the inside info (but I didn't hear it from you...)

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I think a lot of the stuff on the show is pre arranged but I also think much of the language is true to the specific child. Both my nephews are extremely articulate and would have fit right in with this group.

I'm hoping there will be a reunion type show...has anyone heard anything about that?

On the Taylor front, she did well in hiding her dismay on being ousted from her seat of power. She walked off with that perfected fake losing beauty queen smile.

I couldn't help but crack up everytime the vote went against Taylor and applause rang out. But it mad me a little sad for her parents. It's got to be hard to realize your child is so unliked by her peers.

I think Michael can use a little bit of kid in him...he seems like a out of the loop 45 year old man in a boys body.

I really wanted them to take the meat. When they were all talking about the smell and that one little girl said "you mean I can't have just one hot dog", well that broke my heart a little bit.

This episode was my favorite by far.

Kstme
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08-14-2000

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 11:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kstme a private message Print Post    
meant to add these on above post...hehe <being a little sneaky is okay>

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 12:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
I just read Guylans bio cause I really hadn't noticed him before. Fiedel Castro is someone he admires? Interesting.....

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 12:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think many of the parents were probably happy to see them choose the dental stuff over a meal. Not sure if tooth powder is all that effective when you are dealing with braces.

I just caught the promo (not a new one, but the one for last night's show) and I'm not at all happy with the editing and they way they are making things look worse than they are.

They depicted Taylor as Self Appointed Queen.. uh.. no.. the original council was appointed by ADULTS. Taylor deserved a wakeup call but the producers made it look much worse than it was.

And both Mike and Taylor seemed to choose good teams who usually do very well in competitions. Someone in the show seemed to blame Taylor for their loss (or was it Mike) but the leaders weren't allowed to do the actual competing, so what could they do.. Mike did well putting presidents in order and Taylor was smart enough to take advise from team members.

I was really happy that Greg finally got his gold star!! Now there was a real failure on Mike's part to not be able to see that Greg had really improved his behavior. I was afraid he'd keep Greg from the win for yet another week. And clearly it was universally a popular win with the entire group of kids.

Kstme.. interesting and I'd think maybe the complaint was about the dramatic promos.. I mean this one tried to make it look like the kids revolted, ran wild.. they incorporated pictures of Anjay being in the food fight and a pic of a kid swinging a bat as if that was part of some rampage against the leaders.. when the food fight was just that and the bat swinging was part of a challenge.

And again, the original council was appointed by the adults, so it was a little bit easier for them to get big heads over it. And they did, as a group, make some good decisions, I think.

Mammyyokum
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06-05-2005

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mammyyokum a private message Print Post    
If they do this election thing again in a few weeks, as they should, I'm looking forward to seeing if those who decide to run for office campaign better and if the voters ask them relevent questions.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I agree that the editing for the promos is suspect, but not more than is done on any show. How many times do they cut and splice bits from different scenes to create drama that does not appear in the real show? Happens all the time.

As for Taylor, the adults appointed her to the town council, she appointed herself queen by her words and actions.

I was all for Taylor at the beginning of the show. I thought she was smart and funny. She lost me with her selfish actions. Apparently most of the kids were fed up with her "deal with it" attitude. The only ones who seemed to support her were the ones she did not push to do their jobs. I think all of those kids are going to get a wake up call during the next few weeks.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I wonder if Greg did not run for election because he realized that he had a much better shot at one if he was not on the council.

I will be interested to see if he continues to be a "cool kid" now that he has won his gold star or if he will revert to being a bit of a jerk like he was at the start. I hope he does because I do like him the way he has been lately.

Jodied75
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08-26-2004

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 3:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodied75 a private message Print Post    
I'm a little ambivalent about Zach now. I really liked him last week and how he rounded up the kids to do the dishes, but now he's just such a little politician - all his posturing was kind of bugging me.

I'm happy for Greg now that he has money for college. I am interested to see how he keeps up his behaviour for the rest of the time left.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I thought Zach was cute as a button with all that posturing. It's cute when a kid does it, not so much when it's grown ups.

I think there is a really good kid in Greg and that this show is really a good thing for him. I hope that he does use the money for college if that is what he really wants but I hope somebody convinces him to put it in some kind of money making holding account till then.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 4:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think Greg is probably a good kid, but he was a bit of a jerk at the beginning, only because everyone was new to each other, and maybe he's the type that needed to stand his ground, and talk tough. These kids were all feeling each other out and maybe Michael originally thought he could boss Greg around, and Greg wasn't having any of it, and for all we know, maybe Greg DID originally try to talk things through with Mike, and finally snapped and made it sort of physical and mean. There's a lot that I'm sure we don't see in editing.

As we can see, he knows a lot of stuff about taking care of everyone (from killing chickens to helping clean the town back up after the windstorm). I think that we are sometimes more forceful when people are strangers, and as we get to know each other, we learn how to deal with one another more diplomatically. I think Greg was great for calming that little girl down when she was crying, and I think a lot of kids look up to him as a big brother, much like they look up to Morgan too. All of his issues were at the beginning when nobody knew each other, and therefore didn't know how to deal with each other.

I personally found council Michael acted annoying, and petty. He REFUSED to recognize Greg's good work, week after week. So for 4 weeks, this guy has been in the running for the star, but Michael was always holding him back out of spite. I'm glad Michael is off the council, and that Greg won the gold star.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
PS - I LOVE ALEX and his single front tooth. He's like a little cartoon character or something!

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Denecee, I hope he does too. 20K won't go far for college unless he starts making money with it now.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 5:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Thank you Eeyoreslament, finally someone that is speaking up for Greg! I've been holding this in for a while, so you all can stone me if you will, but I don't think Greg is given a fair shake. I like him and have liked him from day one, despite his outbursts he had. I don't know why people keep saying they hope he keeps working hard and doesn't start to get lazy, from day one Greg has worked hard, he didnt just start with the Gold Star. Greg was the main one pulling that wagon to Bonanza City on the 1st day, and putting in alot of muscle and organization before the Gold Star was even introduced to these kids on the show. Mike didn't start disliking Greg after they got into an altercation, Mike didn't like Greg from day one, because Greg called Mike on his dictatorship, bossing everyone and barking orders, but not doing anything himself. If you recall, Greg was pulling that wagon and called Mike on his dictatorship ways and said here why don't you try pulling the wagon and Mike couldn't do it, he didn't have the physical strength and I don't think that sat too well with Mike's ego.

The altercation with Greg and Mike in the cafeteria, if you go back and watch it closely, I rewound it several times, all Greg initially did was was walk up to the council members and try to suggest to ALL the council, of how they can do things a little more orderly and with better leadership, he didn't sound threatening or bossy at all, and he wasn't even looking at Mike when he said it. Then Mike just starts yelling at Greg, and I agree with Eeyore that Mike thought he could boss Greg around and quickly found out he couldn't. Mike already didn't like Greg prior to that fight due to the first day giong into the city, and it was evident at how he started yelling at Greg in the cafeteria and that's when Greg got a little nasty.

I think Greg is a wonderful kid, he's extremely resourceful, smart, and strong for someone that just turned 15 years old; remember the host said on the first day that the oldest kid (Greg) had just recently turned 15.

I'll agree that Greg stepped it up even moreso when the Gold Star was introduced, but I think it's unfair to say that he wasn't working before, he is one of the kids that stood out to me on that first day because of his work ethic. And he certainly isn't the only kid that stepped up their work production since the Gold Star was mentioned, some of these kids we didn't even know of until after the Gold Star came into play and they started working even harder. There's nothing wrong with working harder for an incentive, but to imply Greg wasn't working before and would not work much after he gets a Gold Star is unfair and, in my opinion, incorrect. Even if he or any other kid did do it for the Star and relaxed later, the Gold Star is not a cumulative incentive or there'd be only 1 or a few given at the end of the show for cumulative work; however, the Gold Star is given weekly, to acknowledge that kid's work for THAT WEEK; much like "Employee of the Week" not "Employee of the 40 days," or however long.

I find Mike's arrogance, dictatorship ways, bossiness, ego, and refusal to give Greg the Gold Star due to pride and lack of objectivity, far more off-putting than Greg's anger and profanity. In my opinion Greg's issues are minor behavioral and that can be far easily changed than Mike's issues, which to me are more ingrained and deal more with a person's character. To me, Mike's issues are more of a concern as to the adult he'll become, than Greg's issues behavior issues are, which is more alarming, if you ask me}.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 6:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I've been speaking up for Greg since I saw the first couple of shows. I don't see writing off a kid who starts to turn his behavior around, no matter what the incentive. Most adults have money as an incentive in life too.

But I also don't want to minimize Mike's hard work in the competitions, where his team noticed that he was just in there working like crazy making things happen. His ego gets in the way with Greg, but he is a worker with his team.

I honestly see an amazing bunch of kids, not a one of them is perfect but they all have tremendous potential.

I just hate seeing them edited unfairly because they ARE children. Guess I want the audience and producers to see that most of the kids are learning from this.

I hear compassion from even many of the kids who wanted Mike or Taylor out.. they wanted a change but for the most part didn't like seeing the ousted kid hurt.

Jodied75
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08-26-2004

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 8:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodied75 a private message Print Post    
Ahnicka, I didn't, and don't, like Mike much, either. The thing that concerned me most with Greg I guess, was that he reminded me of a few bullies I had from the past. I'm not talking about the actual work that he did, but the difference in his behaviour before and after the gold star was introduced. He just seemed to be a lot nicer when the star was in play.

Of course, I can't dismiss the fact that there's always a massive amount of editing. They want you to believe what they want you to believe. I don't like Mike, and all I see is a bossy little boy, but I have to remember that I can't really take anything as it is shown.

I think Taylor is the only one that I have really really disliked. She epitomizes the worst of the kids who made my life hell.

Roppiepie
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05-06-2004

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roppiepie a private message Print Post    
I wish just once...just one time they would give the food reward to them for making so many adult choices. It kills me that they keep doing "the right thing" even though there's a dangling carrot in front of ther nose every week! They are KIDS for crying out loud!!!

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 8:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think food is getting made. They're just not showing it. Like, I think that Zach probably goes in and yells at the girls to get up and help with breakfast, and WE see the girls yelling or him to go away, but they probably get up a bit later, and reluctantly make food. It's been something like 10 or 14 days now. If they were eating as much as we are being shown on camera, there would be problems. I have no doubt these kids are eating just fine. Notice we are always show dirty dishes? How would they get dirty if food isn't being prepared?