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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 6:43 am
Blech!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 6:47 am
If the visual presentation was the deciding factor, then VJ blew Andre outta the theater.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 6:48 am
Yea!!! i seriously wish that either Ben or Mary Alice would have pointed out that it's AMERICA's most smartest model! Andre's constant 'it's the soviet versus the american' comments got on my nerves.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 7:06 am
This show was fun to watch but I find Andre's schtick to be exactly that schtick. After all is said and done Andre is the only one I'd care to see again on TV specifically another reality show. I think he's the quintessential reality contestant. Mary Alice was a snooze...if they do this show again I hope they replace her. Love me some Ben.
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Kiersten_love
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 7:10 am
Ugh, VJ won, oh well.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 7:18 am
Andre got old real fast. He'd been in the States for what? Eighteen years? He should've been able to speak English by now. Andre may have been the most "model" model, but I think VJ has the most smarts. Personally, I don't enjoy watching reality shows with characters in them (Andre). I much prefer to watch reality shows that actually seem to have some relationship with reality. Andre screwed up with Pickel. Had he prepared more, they could've done a tag team presentation that would've worked better. Pickel should've actually received the presentation and then gone over it with Andre before he presented it. Presenters who just read the text on a slide are the most boring presenters around (I'll literally walk out of a session at a conference if that is all the presenter is doing). And then when Andre took control away from Pickel, he totally blew it. Yes, it was a risk, but he didn't execute it well. And then the debate. Sigh. Andre was so focused on VJ that he missed the point. VJ remained focused on being the most smartest model. In the finale, VJ deserved the win. One last note... I think in the final elmination interview, we finally saw the real Andre. The very end. Too bad he wasn't like that earlier, I might've liked him better.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 7:18 am
did Andre win any of the challenges besides the last one and the animal pic? i know VJ won the surprise cocktail party thing, the jaguar and the shower commercial.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 9:39 am
Did he win the tanning one? That was a team competition, though, wasn't it?
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 10:09 am
Wasn't Andre recently arrested on a sexual assault charge?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 10:23 am
Yes, Mamie, the end of October. See http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=1013496. Two relevant points: quote:Andre Birleanu, 25, was arrested Thursday for allegedly molesting a 19-year-old actress during a party this month at Cipriani Downtown, an upscale Manhattan restaurant, the New York Post reported Friday.
And this one: quote:Birleanu has served several prison stints since 2000 on charges including assault, harassment, criminal contempt, criminal mischief and trespassing, law enforcement sources told the Post.
Smartest? Uh, I don't think so!
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 3:11 pm
Well, the theory is Andre could not win because it was sponsored by Vo5 and he didn't have hair.
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 3:59 pm
I had issue with how Ande tried to paint VJ as an unmoral hothead when I really thought he was all along. Glad to see he didn't win now.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 4:15 pm
yeah, screaming in people's faces is something a calm person would do! LOL
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 5:17 pm
Andre was saying VJ spits and curses and that's why he shouldn't win. Um, Andre? Didn't you do the same thing? Dfng, it's what I said upthread... VJ was concentrating on why he should be AMSM, whereas Andre was concentrating on why VJ should NOT be. If Andre had spent less time worrying about badmouthing VJ to the judges, he might've stood a chance. I think at that point, both Ben and Mary Alice decided 'nuff is 'nuff. Not to mention the Vo5 thing with no hair! 
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Monday, December 17, 2007 - 6:29 pm
Costacat thanks for the link. I never did Like Andre's attitude and temper. hey I followed a few links on that sight did you see this one---> 'Top Model' Saleisha Stowers defends prior Tyra Banks relationship makes you want to say MMMMM LOL
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 7:23 am
I guess I am in the minority: I liked Andre. He was my favorite. I found him highly entertaining. My three favs were Andre, the Black guy, and the girl with the big lips. Apples, cherries...LOL
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 10:37 am
I hate that they rewarded the cheater.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 11:14 am
who won?
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Smartypants
Member
03-09-2007
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 11:25 am
VJ
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 11:50 am
I don't think VJ was really a cheater. As Mary Alice said, he was using his smarts to learn what to do. Andre got all cranky calling VJ a cheater when he was watching him pose. That's not cheating, and Andre should've been flattered.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 12:02 pm
Ugh, but what about hanging on to the threadmill?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 1:50 pm
The judges were sitting there, watching. They didn't disqualify him or call it cheating. If the judges don't say anything, why should I? (BTW, he was doing what many peoiple do on the treadmill. Yes, it defeats the purpose, but if they didn't want you to lean on it why did they put the arms there?)
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Biginjapan
Member
07-23-2005
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 2:46 pm
VJ earned this win. Good for him.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 3:11 pm
Costa, they didn't see him on the treadmill, didn't even look up. Whether they called him on it or not, all the other contestants didn't feel he was acting in the spirit of the contest and said he was cheating. I don't like players who do that since I generally follow the rules in life, it annoys me when people believe they are entitled to "cheat" and rationalize it as a way to gain an advantage.
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Dolphinschild
Member
06-21-2006
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 3:32 pm
Yeah they judges had their noses on a paper on the desk and not watching, and VJ watched them. When they weren't looking, he put his arms down and barely touched the floor of treadmill with his feet and was basically skipping, and when the judges looked up, he went into run. To me that is cheating. ALSO the big CHEAT to me was when VJ took the book from everyone, ran off with it, studied it, then HID it from everyone else, that was what caused me to dislike that man. We know how they edit their shows, I think it is funny how they gave the win to VJ, but they didn't edit it to make him look good, they edited it to show how much of a cheater he was. To me that is a slap in the face from the producers to show that he didn't earn it. At least to me that is how I see it.
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Danzdol
Member
04-21-2001
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 4:13 pm
team Andre here too...Soviet or not..lol
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 4:41 pm
I too agree that they edit these shows, they were on the treadmill for over a half hour. I find it hard to believe that VJ was able to skip only when ALL the judges were not looking, plus producers camera men etc. If they said no skipping then he broke the rules but it wasn't a rule. To me that is just smart! When I am assigned a task I always look for the easiest way to achieve the goal which is to complete the task within the guidelines provided. I prefer VJ won then someone who was verbally abusive and spoke of violence to people...that is just me though. I hate to see that type of person win.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 6:44 pm
Didn't Andre even call him out on it? I seem to remember Mary Alice saying something about using his smarts on the treadmill. LOL Dfng... I had a boss once who said you should always hire the lazy person cause she will figure out the fastest way to get any task done. And hiding the encyclopedia? Playing dirty, maybe. Cheating? No. Sneaky? You betcha! And while Andre may have been amusing at times, he was verbally abusive to almost everyone at the beginning of the season. He did mellow some, but I think he did so only after Mary Alice got on him for being disrespectful.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 6:45 pm
I think that it was probably understood that they would not do that, but it was not vocalized; VJ found the loophole.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 5:05 am
If he was on a show like Survivor would his behavior be smart play or cheating?
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 5:16 am
Costacat: lol... you had a smart boss and I'll have to remember that. Unfortunately, it's because my management piles on the work and I have to find a way to survive. My boss calls it "working smart". Like Texannie said, any other show like Survivor we would all think it was good game play. The only shows I don't like people doing stuff like that are the talent shows like Top Chef and Project Runway.
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Smartypants
Member
03-09-2007
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 12:15 pm
If I want $$ and find a way to rob the bank, is that cheating? or am I just using my smarts and figuring out the easiest way to reach my goal? and btw, the handles on a treadmill are for safety purposes only... and I know what you're going to say...that robbing a bank is illegal and stealing a book isn't but in the sense of game play stealing the one study book is just wrong, it's not fair and it's not smart, it just means your a cheater and an ... I will give VJ props to some of his smart moves: -calling his friend to get info in the car challenge=smart -listening to people rehearse the lines=smart -all the practicing and studying he did=smart this is all just my opinion of course... apparently the producers and judges and some of you all didn't feel the same as me I think that even if he hadn't cheated he was still smarter than Andre but Andre was more model..imo... and I did feel that mary alice was favoring him for some reason...but oh well... i am done now
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