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Archive through November 15, 2007

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Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Now whether or not the viewer votes because they think the person is the best dancer or whether or not they just like the person is completely up to the person voting, isn't it?

Exactly, Texannie; however, I have to agree with others that I wouldn't want someone to win who absolutely didn't deserve it based on their dance skills because of the audience votes only. Having said that, I don't ever see myself voting for Mel, because although she cracks me up and I love listening to her talk, I'm just not as impressed by her dancing as some of the others. So far, I like Helio's dancing the best and I'm not sure who else I'd like to see in the F2 with him. It probably will be Mel if the judges keep scoring her high.

Cindy
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09-20-2005

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cindy a private message Print Post    
There was only one dance by Marie I actually liked. For the most part I admit I can't get past her appearance. Awkward looking dresses. Makeup a bit too clown like at times. I can't explain it but I find it very distracting.

I found Cameron stiff at the first. But think he has really proven himself. Nothing about Jennie draws my attention. I love Helio. The other girl is Mel I think. Her consistency actually blended her into the background in my mind.

Dipo
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04-23-2002

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dipo a private message Print Post    
Still think Marie should have gone last night. Of the three, jenny, cameron and marie, I think jenny and cameron dance better than she does.

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
Spunky, Spunky, Spunky,...since when was a reality show about "talent"? LOL

I can, but don't, (hehehe) agree with those who think Cameron is a better dancer than Marie. Like many have said, I totally enjoy Marie on the show and want her to make it to final three...then we can go to the final two...who should be Helio and Mel B and one of them can win.

After the horrible summer (BB8) I deserve the opportunity to watch someone who is fun, lighthearted, and quick witted.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree that none of these shows are all about talent. They are about entertainment! So people vote for the person who entertains them the most. He or she may not be the best dancer or singer.

I'll go a step further and say that the entire entertainment business is about entertainment. That is how you get technically "bad" singers who are a huge commercial success.

I'm not a big Marie fan but I understand that people like her and enjoy her on the show. I also understand the frustration of those who don't.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
LOL Boberg. ITA about our horrible summer and I keep thinking how great it is to have shows like Dancing With The Stars and Amazing Race!!

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 1:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I was just about to say the same thing...I am SOOOOO happy that the Race is back on television...I never can WAIT for Sunday night!

Vsmart
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02-10-2003

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vsmart a private message Print Post    
The British Judge on "So You Think You Can Dance" always stresses that the votes are for America's FAVORITE dancer. I think we can all agrees that none of the votes for Mr. P were for his technique! It was boring on SYTYCD when they made all the dancers do the same dance in order to level the playing field. Slow dances never get the votes that the Latin numbers do.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
In my eyes Marie is the best improved, slightly over Jennie, so I think she has just as much chance to win as Mel-B and Helio. Nothing in the rules says they have to be as perfect as professional dancers, particularly in such a short period of time. For me, Marie and Jennie are the best improved and though I'd like to see Marie win, Jennie is my second choice.

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 3:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
I am so glad that Cameron is finally gone. He should have gone before Jane, if we are basing it on talent. The judges got it right when they said that he had beautiful lines and poses (my paraphrase) but it was everything in between that was the problem.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 4:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
On SYTYCD, the judges don't score the dancers. On DWTS, the judges do. So there is a misconception that on DWTS, the best dancers are staying around.

FWIW, I thought Cameron's jive last week was awesome. He was loose, his footwork was on point (quick kicks and flicks). I absolutely think Marie or Jennie should've gone this week.


For those of you who actually look at the dancers (and not their entertainment value)... look at the last three dances that Marie, Jennie, and even Jane have done. Then compare them to dances by Mel, Sabrina, Helio, and even Cameron. The number of steps, the complexity of the steps, the number of pauses between passes... none of the dances Marie or Jennie (or Jane) have done have complex steps. The judges are right when when they called out both Marie and Jennie for not "doing more." This is almost the finale, and they are doing steps that you learn in Dance Center 101 (pun intentional! <grin>).

I base my opinion on the dances, and then I add in my likes/dislikes of the dancers themselves, and then I add in my likes/dislikes of the professionals. I'm not a Cameron fan, but his dances are well-choreographed and complex. I'm not a Marie fan, but her dances are too simple for this stage in the game.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
I'm not a Marie fan, but her dances are too simple for this stage in the game.

Costa - I place the credit and blame for the intricacy of the dances on their CHOREOGRAPHER-partners who's job it is to design the dance to showcase their partners attributes as well as the dance itself. If the dance choreography is too simple, or lacking in some way, it's not Marie's, Jennie's or any of the Star's faults. IMHO. Also, after Marie fainted, it wouldn't be all that surprising if for at least a couple of subsequent dances, her partner may have been cautious in his choreography til he was reassured she's up to it. Which I think (hope) she is.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 5:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Sorry, Mame. I don't agree. Both women have been told to step it up. While the professionals do choreograph the dances, it's clear that they are doing so knowing what the stars can (or can't) do. While I'll admit that both women have improved, neither one shines as a dancer to me. To me, they look like they're in an Arthur Murray dance studio. Sorry, but that's my impression!

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 5:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
IIRC, the judges said Cameron (paraphrased) struck good poses / features, but dancing in between was lacking. Was that him and / or choreography? Sounds to me Cameron's, Marie's, and Jennie's dancing were more equal than not. So Cameron went.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
Everyone gets called on something in this competition, no one is perfect, they are not meant to be. I like Mel-B, always have, and think she has done outstanding, she is an excellent dancer, as excellent as she has been from the beginning, but I haven't seen her improve on her already powerful dance. That is how I look at it, and while the judges point out what each dancer can improve upon, I as a viewer don't look at those intricate details, I look at how each person has improved from their first dance, and though I do note the improvements they can make, I don't note each step, as they are all performers, but not professional dancers. And had the Disney girl (forget her name) not been eliminated, I would still be rooting for her, bc she was great from the beginning, but kept improving each week. Everyone sees it differently though, which is great about these shows, it's interesting how we each view it. Lots of luck to them all, but I'm still rooting for Marie and Jennie.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 7:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Marie's had a tough and busy week, so I suspect that's why neither of her dances was complicated this week. I don't vote, but if I had voted I would have voted for Marie this week - if she's due to go she'll be gone next week, it's just seven more days and I think she deserved a break.

I think it was time for Cameron to go anyway. He had improved greatly but he still seemed as if he was acting not dancing. I'm not too keen on Helio for the same reason. My top two would be Mel B top and then Jennie a distant number two. Marie, of course, should be next out,l even though I love her.

Stacey718995
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07-06-2007

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 7:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
I agree with Costa on this one. I also think that it isn't that the choreagrapher didn't want to step it up, but is doing the hardest that the celebrity can handle, I wouldn't say that is the professionals fault.

I enjoy the show and like to watch all the levels of dancers, but since the Sabrina vote off and now Cameron I don't have a ton of respect for the integrity of the show.

People openly and admittedly vote for fan favorite and while that is their perogrative to do so, I think for me it has ruined what the show was supposed to be about.

I will watch the rest of the season but I have to say now that if Marie and Jennie win, I won't be as excited about this show next year.

I enjoy watching them dance as well as the people they are on the show BUT they are not the best dancers in this competition.

I think what people don't realize is that if a less of a good dancer wins or gets in the finals because of all the admitted poplularity vote that is going to bring out all kinds of people doing this show for the celebrity or recognition of it in following years.

I don't think that is why Jennie or Marie did it this year, but the longer they remain the more they open the future to that and as far as I am concerned, there is enough ego on TV to watch as it is.

I realize people are passionate about their Marie, these are just my very humble opinions, have a good one!

Oh I forgot what I really opened the thread to talk about, honestly I feel sorry for Marie, it was just announced her 16 year old son went into rehab. Something tells me that the mom in Marie would have been very glad to go home last night.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 7:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Stacey, I think I'd amend your "if Marie and Jennie win, I won't be as excited about this show next year" to "if Marie or Jennie are in the final 2, I won't be as excited about this show next year"!

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 8:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
You don't think Jennie is one of the talented ones? I think she's had some beautiful dances. This last week wasn't so good, but (since Sabrina's gone ) she's often been the number two dancer (after Mel). To me the only rival she has left is Helio.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 8:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
I think all these contestants do the show for recognition. Why else would they put themselves through all the stress and strain, adding hours of practice to their schedules? There's no big cash prize at the end. There's just the chance to get their name out there again and get some more career opportunities from it. Several of them have come off this show and found roles on Broadway.

Less than the best has won in the past, but I still keep tuning in. I love watching ballroom, and will continue to even when I don't like who wins. Heck, even in the real ballroom competitions the best doesn't always win. In the meantime you get to watch some really great routines, and that's what I tune in for anyway.

My only nitpick is that if they're going to call it "Dancing With The Stars" it really should be cast with stars (as in people who star or have starred in something).

Stacey718995
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07-06-2007

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 9:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
Amen Costa!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 10:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I hope Marie wins!!

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Curlyq, I think all the contestants have been stars in something. Whether it be entertainment, sports, or business, they are all "stars" in their field of endeavor. I think that is all the STARS means.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Oh you mean..they have to be entertaining more than talented?? Duh!!
I thought gorgeous hunk Cameron dancing was verrrrry entertaining indeed... to me at least.

I guess as long as there is Donnie around ET talking about Marie and the show, she will be going to the finals... geez... as if the show needs more publicity... it's a hot show already and Helio and Mel it's all we need to keep it that way till the end.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 10:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I'm kind of a half and half viewer. At the beginning of the show I tend to favor the "stars" more whose personality appeals to me who are trying really hard. But at this point in the season I am ready for it to be about the "good almost great" dancers who are working hard and are showing it through the intracies of their choreography. (Unless I just hate them with a passion -- fortunately enough this year there are none that qualify as such.) I like Marie but I don't think that she is nearly as good of a dancer as the rest, and I thought Cameron was better. Just my opinion. I think that Mel and Helio are the best dancers right now and I hope they are the final 2.