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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 8:40 pm
Sherbabe you are absolutely right. Who can forget Sanjaya???????????
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Beth4freedom
Member
10-24-2003
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 8:40 pm
I agree with the comment above: "Yes she's good but there was no feeling or emotion shining through for me and with dancing you really have to make that connection other wise it's not really dancing, just steps." I couldn't connect with her from day one; I couldn't "feel" her dancing. It reminds me of Danny on So You Think You Can Dance who is SOOOOO talented, but initially had such little audience connection that I wanted HIM gone! Somehow Danny turned it around, made that connection, and I was rooting for him at the end. He broke through that slick polished barrier and "let us in"; I didn't think Sabrina ever did. I was still surprised she was let go, but I really didn't want Cameron to go, so I was relieved that he's staying. (And actually Cameron didn't connect with me at first, but recently, YES!)
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Shel
Member
07-27-2005
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 8:44 pm
Cricket, Monday Night Football is on ESPN now. It shouldn't affect any ABC programming (unless, perhaps, it was your local team so they played it on the local channel). DWTS was on at normal time for me. I don't know how Jane is staying, but her fans are obviously voting more than the others' fans. I'm guessing Sabrina's voting bloc just didn't go all out since she seemed to be such a favorite, therefore safe.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 9:04 pm
Jane Seymour & Tony Dovolani received a score of 22 out of 30 points. Marie Osmond & Jonathan Roberts received a score of 23 out of 30 points. Sabrina Bryan & Mark Ballas received a score of 25 out of 30 points. Cameron Mathison & Edyta Sliwinska received a score of 25 out of 30 points. Jennie Garth & Derek Hough received a score of 27 out of 30 points. Helio Castroneves & Julianne Hough received a score of 28 out of 30 points. Melanie Brown Received A Perfect Score link
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:14 pm
I'm surprised Sabrina was voted off, but that being said, I won't miss her. I never could connect with her. There was just something about her performances that didn't move me. If I was voting just based on popularity, I'd vote for Cameron because I've watched him for years on and off on AMC. I really like Helio because for one, he's been a big surprise for me that he's done so well and his personality just gets to me. One thing that has been weird for me is, whenever I vote with my cell phone, I get the message "You've used up all your votes on this number" after the only call I get through! I voted for the first time using my home phone and was able to vote multiple times until I used up my votes. I was surprised to hear the other voices since all I had ever heard previously was Len's saying I used up all my votes. Weird.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:15 pm
(unless, perhaps, it was your local team so they played it on the local channel). DWTS was on at normal time for me. Oh...thanks, Shel. I thought we didn't usually have Monday night football, but the Packers played, so we had the game. That would be a couple of states that didn't get the show at it's regular time (WI and the UP..not sure about MI)and they played the Denver Broncos, so that/those state(s) didn't get it. I don't know how many votes it takes to make up a judges point, so can't really tell if that's why she was in the bottom two or not.
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Jennywa
Member
07-17-2003
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:17 pm
I'm glad Sabrina is gone. Didn't think it was fair she had dance experience and didn't like her style either.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:31 pm
hmmm, so once again the females with the dance experience are gone early while the guys that had dance experience stayed to nearly the end ...
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:57 pm
What other females with dance experience went early? I can't remember. I know Keibler stayed until nearly the end. Oh, wait. Trista Sutter went out way early. Then again, that was probably just because people were tired of seeing her everywhere rather than because of her experience. Since she was in third to last place and Jane and Marie had a ton of fans voting for them, it's now understandable how Sabrina and Cameron fell to the bottom with their tied scores. I hadn't realized the judges had placed Sabrina so low. I really think they were trying to manipulate things a bit and overestimated Sabrina's fan base. They looked so genuinely shocked even after scoring her so much lower than four other teams. Sabrina was back to her bubbly self on Kimmel. Seems like a sweet girl.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 11:16 pm
I never connected with Sabrina but certainly she did have talent. However, I thought the judges over scored her from the start and sort of made it obvious that she was their pick. Maybe her fans weren't that into the show, or got lazy or maybe others have fan bases that are expanding? Personally I haven't cast any votes yet this season, so it wasn't me! I was surprised.. but not particularly sad. I do think it was more from the really high scores they got early on, rather than the lower score from last night that led to this.
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Penpoint
Member
03-27-2001
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 12:02 am
Three elements determine voting: PERFORMANCE. Some luck is involved in the partnership; for example, Melanie was lucky to get Maksim, whom fans of the show seem to love. Luck is also involved in The music, which can be so unsuitable for the dance that the performance suffers. Some non-performers discover they have a hidden talent for dance; Helio for instance. PERSONALITY. How do they come off in the pre-dance film clips, in reacting to the judges, and in the backstage interview? Mark Cuban's likability came shining through and was supported by the story line developed around his recent hip operation. Sabrina didn't have an interesting story line so fans never found her that appealing. FAN BASE. Some stars come in with a fan base that is composed of those who might also be fans of a show like DWTS; Jane, Wayne, and Marie are examples. Others, like models, have no fan base to speak of. Or they have a fan base that is not likely to watch the show; a race car driver or a singer whose fans are mostly teenagers are examples of "stars" who could not count on a voting fan base. So, I believe a star has to have strength in at least two of those elements to be successful on DWTS. Sabrina was a strong performer, but she didn't have a personality that came across and her fan base may not have been DWTS fans. On the other hand, Helio's fan base also were not DWTS fans, but his personality was so engaging and he is a natural, though untrained, dancer--which has won over fans of the show who had never heard of him.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 1:31 am
Helio also has the "adorable partner" factor going, I think. And there is also the CHEMISTRY between partners as a factor, I imagine.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 4:51 am
I thought Sabrina was cute - she reminds me of a couple of friends (her smile) - and obviously she is talented. But I agree, something felt 'missing' and it was hard to connect.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 5:13 am
I bet next week the judges give some really low scores to the ppl they want gone next. Happens every yr.
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Lakecat
Member
10-01-2006
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 5:21 am
Got the feeling Cameron wasnt exactly thrilled he is staying.Twice they made mention of a very trying week for Cameron outside the competition-wonder if it was a sick child or parent or a particularily large speaking script on AMC that week.They showed Marie sorta giving him a pep talk in one of the segments so i got the feeling it was a personal problem.Anyone notice that?
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 6:10 am
anyone else think that Sabrina's partner has a crush on her? i have wondered if they have started dating.
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Grannyg
Member
05-28-2002
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 6:39 am
I thought that too, Annie. Just never know. When it got down to Cameron and Sabrina, I was so hoping it would be Sabrina. I agree with the others, I just never did connect with her. Not sad that she is gone. Lady, I agree with the scoring too. It does happen every year and I think that's one of the reason Marie got low scores this week. I wonder who will be next? Marie or Jane, I'm guessing.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 6:51 am
Snoopsmom said upthread: Sabrina's crying during the last dance and being hugged and kissed on the forehead by Mark. Looks like some of the rumors of their coziness might be true. I hadn't heard any rumors, but maybe . . . .
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Madelane
Member
08-20-2001
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 6:59 am
Not to pick on Jane when she is down, but she has been saying some REALLY catty things about her competitors, and it is putting me off her in a big way. In the backstage story someone linked to earlier, she was quoted being a little snotty about some of the others' prior performance experience. I was OK with that because many of us have complained about that. But last night, she asked the question about lifts and complained that "Edyta is flying all over the place." Then, worse, she made that confessional comment about not being a "22 year old dancer" or something. I know she is proud of being amazing for her age and I am proud of her, but it does not suit her to make digs about the younger girls just because they are younger. They can't help their age any more than she can.
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Bombaycat
Member
07-21-2007
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 7:05 am
Can anyone tell me how the judges scoring and fan scoring is combined? Do they take the fan voting totals and equate them to a number like the judges give? What is the weight of the judges score to the weight of the fan scores?
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 7:06 am
Wel it may not be so suprising about last night...let's look at the numbers for the judges.. (Bombay, the judges percentages are calculated based on the number of points scored by the person as a percentage of the total number of points scored by everyone , and the total was 180 Monday. That's then added to the percentage of the audience vote the person gets, and that's the total score) So the judges scores were: Jane 22/180- 12.22% Marie 23/180- 12.78% Sabrina 25/180- 13.89% 2% isn't that much of a deficit to make up, especially since Sabrina likely doesn't have as much of a fanbase as Jane and Marie does (a lot of viewers are older women remember). Combine that with the fact some people will vote against a person the judges and producers are shoving down their throats as the "chosen one" and you get the shocking elimination. The judges will probably ding both Marie and Jane or bump up the others to get rid of one of them next week (but they got to be careful that they don't make it look too obvious or it could backfire). This is probably Mel's to lose now, with Helio close behind (but he might be in danger if he has another bad week), and then Jennie/Marie/Jane bunched together and Cameron in the most trouble because he doesn't have as much of the fanbase as the others.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 7:07 am
Someone here has done that in the past. Don't remember who. Maybe Jimmer? Not sure though.
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Bombaycat
Member
07-21-2007
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 7:12 am
Wilson - thanks for the info.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 7:21 am
I mean this in the kindest way: Sabrina was cute, great smile, nice, friendly, and lots of dancing talent.....BUT.... from the moment she stepped on the dance floor she was like something doing something it wasn't made to do. What I mean is with her short chunky body type you never expect a great dancer and it looks strange to see it happening and the strangeness is distracting making it more difficult to connect. Anyone have a clue what I am trying to say? LOL Just that it has taken me a while to get over the strangness that I percieved. I think Sabrina is as likeable as anyone there otherwise. Lurk said it was probably the "endless" stories of Sabrina's dancing history.....well, most just watch the TV show and do not search out that kind of info (IMHO)...so I don't see that as the cause. Talent VS Fan Support...I think both are very important with Fan Support being most important...look at how long "Master P" stayed...he did nothing but clop around on that floor and make a mockery of ballroom dancing. Sharinia I totally agree with your observation..."I thought it a bit odd that the judges were shocked in light of the low scores they gave Sabrina" Esp. Len's comments about there not being enough "light". The song they danced to was all about attitude and called for the attitude she displayed (IMHO) Seems to me quite a bit of favortism is being shown this year with Len towards the "Brits" esp. Jane....Mel is good and deserves most of her scores. My favorites (from those left) are Mel, cause I absolutely love watching her partner dance. Marie and Helio because of their personalities. LOL, seems I base my picks on lust and laughter!
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 7:26 am
...with her short chunky body type you never expect a great dancer and it looks strange to see it happening and the strangeness is distracting making it more difficult to connect. ITA 100% Boberg! & LOL about Lust and Laughter! Marie is my fave - but I like everyone at this point.
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