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Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 6:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I think Randal was a very poor winner. Not gracious at all. Then again, he did win and didn't have to "share" but I lost all my respect for him at the finale.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 7:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I got the feeling that the people being consulted were told NOT to just give ideas to the teams. When it was mentioned that if they'd pushed for matching donations they might have got it and also when Lee gets broad hints that this event has been done before.. I'm thinking if he had been on the ball he'd have kissed up bigtime and asked lots of questions about what was most successful in the past. That woman will be giving feedback to Trump or at least to Carolyn and he's making an enemy so far. And having that unfortunate conversation in front of Carolyn.. oy!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
As far as what may or may not have been wrong with Andrea, once she got scared and made the decision to get medical attention, the only productive thing to do was to support her AND to get a complete turnover of the status of her projects. Being compassionate would make it more likely that she would quickly return and help out. This isn't a long term employee relationship, or a disability hearing. Short term, very important task, to be gotten through as best as possible.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Sea, I agree with all your points above. I didn't in the least feel that the Director of the America's Bravest charity was disrespectful (aka "bitchy") to Lee. That is a very well-known charity, and they do a lot of good for firefighters and their families. I just read a couple of days ago that Denis Leary is buying rescue boats for a lot of the fire houses in New Orleans that lost all of their equipment (including the houses!). He's picking up the slack where the government is not able to. Good man!

My feeling is that Liz (was that her name?) is used to doing quality fundraisers and she didn't want a shabby, second-rate event being held in their name. I would never qualify the America's Bravest charity as a "beggar" (re: the "beggars can't be choosers" comment above). That said, Trump most likely coached her to be tough on his candidate, too.

Freetimefinally
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01-26-2006

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Freetimefinally a private message Print Post    
Lee and his team were not taking the meeting with the lady to their advantage. Never once was it shown that they asked how things went in the past. It has also not shown them working with anyone in the arena about setting up the rooms for the big party type evnets that will be going on.

At least Sean and team are taking advantage of and letting others who are form the hotel to help know what is going on.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Actually Sea if they were told not to give ideas to Lee then they would not be handling the event as they would in the real world. If you are promoting/organizing something for a client the first thing you do is ask their input. Since in past years we have seen this done in various forms I tend to feel it was just that woman. My gut still says for whatever reason, likely personal, she wants Lee not to do well. And being tough is one thing...being IMPOSSIBlE is another. She didn't give him a challenge...all she gave him is negativity and rudeness.

Also not to sound snobby but I have found working with those who work with the "stars" is almost always super easy NOT hard. They names may be difficult. But almost always they are surrounded by top level pro's who are good at their jobs. And they already made it so unless they are brand new they aren't out to prove anything. Truthfully it surprised me when I did more facet of that business, but it was truly a pleasure as it made my life/job a lot easier!

Kappy you mentioned so much of how I would reply and other thoughts like those annoying PDA's. But I did have one additional thought on that annoyance. Anyone remember how popular Rob & Amber were from Survivor? When Sean made that comment about hopefully getting the girl and the job I had a flashback to Rob. Except with Rob it was definately real. But made me wonder if he felt this was a shot to build up some image and press. Hope I'm being cynical, but I do recall his initial flirting with her arose from strategy. So hmmmmm.

And thanks for those that mentioned Randall, but the Trumpster himself used him name when he cohosted Regis and Kelly this am and refreshed memory. I still say he could have allowed her to be offered a job as his employee and saved face. And Trump this am said he was disappointed by it too!

Last comment I also meant to say I felt both teams dropped the ball with Pontiac. When trying to get free stuff from any coporate sponsor one of the first rules is no matter how much they have given you to at least ask, "is there any way you could help us out just a little more with anything else." But they just settled for the cars. Double DUH!

Oh and freetime, at least at the hotel Sean HAS others to help out. I haven't seen any support staff around Lee. Even though the locations are supposed to be equal, they sure don't look it to me.

Freetimefinally
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01-26-2006

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Freetimefinally a private message Print Post    
Sean called a meeting with everyone there to help him and did a tour of what they had and expected.

I do believe Lee has the same number of people but hasn't addressed them or at least it hasn'r been shown.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 10:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
They also showed Lee's team being given a tour of the facility, just as Sean had at his, and it's a hockey rink, not a VFW hall. I think there's a lot (LOT) of stuff going on that we're not being shown purely for lack of time. Can't blame the producers for wanting to build the drama. It is a TV show, after all!

Not to prolong the controversy or anything (I just can't help myself!), but I still feel that Trump put Randall in an impossible situation by asking him if he should hire the girl, too (was it Kendra?). Randall won the competition fair and square, and it really tarnished his win for a lot of people to be made to look like the bad guy. He won! He shouldn't have had to share his moment. DT could've hired the girl later, if he'd wanted to.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Lurk, that is in contrast to what DT said months ago...He said Randall made the right choice.

I think it was shitty of DT to even put Randall in that position. At first I was like yeah he shoulda said give her the job and then the more I thought about it, I thought he did the right thing and I was pissed that DT even proposed the idea

Randal was and still is a remarkable man and I admire him

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 11:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think that Randall made a mistake. I think he should have told Trump that of course he is welcome to hire her if he wants, but that there can be only one Apprentice winner.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Oh GEEZ started an old debate...sorry folks!!
If I recall right wasn't the other finalist's name Rebecca? I liked her and think that was it. And maybe Trump could finally speak the truth, and didn't want to insult Randall earlier? Soon as he said the comment I posted he made some comment about how he agreed with him when he thought about it, but he clearly was dishing PR to be polite, whereas the tone of his first comment, which just flowed in live TV chat...well...let's just say it really sounded like he was suprised and not pleased with Randall. But can only say what he said, so who knows. Oh btw I agree it was a lousy position to put him in on the spot, but I think the finalists were SO friendly and Randall HAD seemed so nice, that he just assumed he would say yes and it would make a nice TV moment (plus he'd get 2 good people lol).

Oh as for Trump hiring her later, guess you forgot the company she did the event for snatched her up just about immediately! So Randall, in a way, blew it for Trump IMHO of course, in his first moment on the job! But it was horrid position he was in I agree w/that.

As for the VFW hall comment, sorry guess you don't know my tone/humor BabyJax. I KNEW it was a hockey rink. But believe me, I worked for various parts of the NHL for 8 years and have seen some VERY nice function rooms in rinks. Clearly they don't have one of them. I was simply comparing Sean in the luxury of a fully staffed Taj Mahal, and Lee in a room with folding chairs! Sorry but to me it didn't appear equal situations (although I still adore Hockey).

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Think of it this way, Lurk: if the winner of Survivor had outplayed, outlasted and outwitted the other 15 contestants and been voted the winner, how would he/she feel if Jeff Probst said, "Hey, do you think we should give a million to the other guy/gal, too?" Kind of like changing the rules at the last minute. DT should never, ever have done that to Randall. It wasn't fair at all.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I do not believe Trump asked Randal to share the title. He was only asking Randal if he should also hire Rebecca.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 1:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
That was how I saw it as well. There was no suggestion that Randal would share the apprentice title. Randal was clearly the winner.

Woofy
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08-09-2001

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Woofy a private message Print Post    
If "the Donald" wants to really be over the top and garner even more publicity, he should fire both Sean and Lee ... and hire Rebecca.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 2:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
My point is that he diminished Randal's "moment" by asking if he should also hire Rebecca. He never should've brought it up at that point in time (wonder if he regrets it now?). I know this was argued to death when it happened. Maybe we should all just agree to disagree.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
Isn't the "hockey rink" at Chelsea Pier? It's not an NHL hockey rink. Also, that locker room looked awfully familiar -- didn't they use it a couple of seasons ago, maybe for the Olympics party?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I can see how one could view it as diminishing Randal's moment. However, I felt the opposite was true. The way Trump phrased it, I took it as enhancing Randal's moment. I believe he said something about how he respects Randal's opinion and that this was the first of many major decisions that Randal would make as a member of the Trump organization. I took it as a compliment and a public show of confidence in Randal.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
You may have taken it as a compliment, but Randal and many others of us took it as disrespectful. We are not going to agree on this and it will only stir back up the bad feelings that were started back then. Certain people backed Randal in this and others typically did not.

Yellek
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08-22-2001

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yellek a private message Print Post    
If I won a million on Survivor, and had the opportunity to let someone else win as will, YES I would definitely do it! Even if it was someone I didn't like. Why would I take that away from someone when it would gain me nothing by doing so??

Biscottiii
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05-30-2004

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 3:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Ahhh Wednesday's Business Section! And the column by the Bellevue Community College Business Instructor, Maureen Moriarty. I always find it so interesting that MANY of the comments here at TVCH reflect her lesson plan, but it's obvious many posters have lots of experience in the real business world. I was looking forward to hearing her comments re: Sean choosing his sweetie-pie, kind of funny IMO.

Apprentice 101: Choosing a successful team is a delicate task
The most recent version of the television series "The Apprentice" provides a great lesson in leadership: picking a team. It proves success depends on the people a manager hires

Seattle Post Intelligencer newspaper.
Here's the link for those who wish to read:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/272140_apprentice31.html

Biscottiii
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05-30-2004

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
In defense of the woman charity organizer for the Firefighters. Yes, she does seem tough but if she's handled several previous events she KNOWS that there's a lot going into the job. She's not the one who determined the lead time or got to choose the people assigned to the task - leaving her feeling less confident these novices could pull this event off.

BUT I'm sure that she's aware of charity fatigue, especially in this day and age of catastrophes & budget shortfalls; with people being bombarded by so many requests for donations & help.

So, if this Hockey event produces little income because Team Trump seems lackadaisical and laid back, she can't easily start pushing for another event to make up the difference. At the very least, before they met with her initially, they should have been tossing ideas around even during the taxi ride over. Plus, like many people said, they should have been asking "What has worked successfully in past events?" As far as a date with a firefighter, come ON! Most are probably married men, not looking to be displayed like some beefcake hottie. That appeared to be about the only limp idea Team Trump walzed in with.

Personally, I think this whole finale part is super edited, the players themselves probably don't even recognize themselves as they watch it now. So I'm sitting on the fence myself just waiting for the show to play out. I wouldn't bet for or against EITHER of these guys. Sean needs to get down to some non-smoochy business and Lee really needs to "step up"!

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Yellek, you're a far better person than I am. I would say, "HELL, no!!!"

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 4:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
Please don't ban me.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Perhaps the poster who requested your banning is not familiar with your, um, unique sense of humor, KL. I love Ketchup! (Especially on hot dogs with mustard!)