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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 2:58 pm
This isn't really a "job interview" it's a tv show first and a wee bit of a faux job interview, Trump style. Trump can say it over and over that it's a job interview but it's a show for young hard type bodies to be seen and maybe get a tv gig out of it. Most fail but it's their dream. Michele wanted TV face time and a cushy place to call home while the cameras zoom in on her. Sorry but she really bothered me. LOL it's amazing that she bothered me more than Trump. I must get me some meds. sigh
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 3:10 pm
Answer: Maybe she did talk to the producers and they insisted she tell Trump. Makes better camera time. 'squeek'
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Trini
Member
07-06-2004
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 3:39 pm
Michele was there to play the game like everyone else! I agree Michele did not look reassuring when she asked her team mate “are you thinking?” I admit I laughed, yet I admired her integrity; she noticed herself becoming out of place and not feeling as an Appetence constant but one who has been beaten by the living conditions which threw her off her game. How can one prepare for a task when you are not well rested and not feeling 100% clean? I also agree and thought that the winning half would have the comfort of sleeping in doors at least once. I noticed no one else was willing to step up they knew beep down they wanted her fired. She had no choice but to accept the challenge, is the split team becoming one next week? All in all her gut feeling was correct!
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 3:43 pm
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with quitting at all. Why is it negative to quit? Sometimes things aren't as they appear, or we grow and change, or it turns out things just suck. I quit a part-time job I had once because they didn't hold up their end of the bargain (switched the department I was hired to work in) and I stayed a grand total of 2 days. This left me free to pursue other opportunities, which turned out to be much better for me in the long run anyways.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 4:42 pm
Quitting or choosing a different path is fine as long as you have a valid reason for doing so. In my example from above, I quit my class because I was being lazy, so I should not have quit. I think Michelle quit because she did not feel that, to quote Martha Stewart, "fit in".
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 4:43 pm
I did quit in the midst of an interview cycle. After day 1, realized no way in heck was I gonna wanna work for that company, pulled the hiring manager aside, and told her that I didn't think I was what they were looking for, and that they weren't what I was looking for. I think she respected me more because of that. I think sticking thru something, wasting everyone's time when you know danged well it ain't gonna work, is not necessarily the honorable thing to do. Fish or cut bait, yes? 
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 4:55 pm
Like everything it all depends on the situation. I don't like to think I'm a quitter. However, I also don't favor banging my head against a brick wall. The living in the backyard stuff is ridiculous for a business interview. I would have liked the idea that they live in less elegant conditions than the winning team but they have taken it to an extreme. I love Ivanka. I think she does a wonderful job and is a great asset to the show. I do miss George and Carolyn though.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 4:55 pm
Costacat, YES.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 5:02 pm
I agree with virtually all of the comments here. Although I really do like Ivanka, and didn't actually care much for Carolyn, I find myself longing for Carolyn. There is something about this nepotism that I can't help but find irritating. Maybe it's that DT actually looks like he is getting off on it???? I agree that in general the Donald is coming across more rudely... Also agree that the whole happy family had a look of fear in their eyes when Michelle took control and quit. If this all keeps up I predict there will be mutiny 
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 5:10 pm
Oh yeah... I totally LMBO at the looks on the faces of the remaining three when Trump said "see you in the boardroom tonight." Instant panic, and it was priceless. ("OMG, we were gonna send Michelle under the bus, so now we've gotta eat our own and pick one of US? OMG OMG OMG!") HAHAHAHA! Oh, I am evil. Yes, I am!
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 5:12 pm
I love it! I was so hoping that someone would refuse to live in tent city. "Rosie Member 11-12-2003 Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 1:52 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wouldn't it have been great if Frank's team refused to live in the tent? I would have loved to see the <77> reaction and then the producers scurrying to find a new team. Living in the tent adds no interest for me. The losing team was previously punished by not winning the "dinner with Donald", or whatever the prize is. This Survivor angle just doesn't flow with the Apprentice theme at all."
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 5:33 pm
I dunno, this whole thing is just getting distasteful. It's like.... "Look at the wonderful, privileged lives we Trumps lead. Executive positions waiting for us when we get out of college. And you lowly Harvard grads and self made millionaires must submit to public humiliation if you want a shot at working beneath us. How does it feel to be a LOSER in 3rd world conditions??? You will never be successful in business if you don't allow us to wreck your reputation and boot your azz out the door."
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 6:05 pm
I agree the tent/camping out thing doesn't really belong in this show; however, I don't find it that big an obstacle to overcome. And, I think that's what it's supposed to be ~ something to test their mettle. Ivanka did say that Trump liked to put people in situations over their head or out of their normal element and let them sink or swim. Maybe that's what he thinks this is or maybe this just feeds his cruel streak. I dislike keeping the winning PM for every challenge much more than the camping thing. We've seen 4 people from the losing team as PM and only one from the winning team. They need to change it up. After all, they are 'interviewing' more than one person on that team, aren't they? How will Trump know what they can or cannot do if not given the chance?
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 6:12 pm
I just wanted to chime in about this quitting thing. I don't compare quitting Apprentice the same way quitting a part time job or everyday things. I truly think it's a big deal to get the opportunity to do Apprentice. It's not an everyday thing plus you take someones palce. And when it gets hard or isn't plush enough you quit. I am so not down with that. A friend of my sons got a fullride scholarship to Brandeis University and after the fist semester he decided he wanted to travel before attending school fulltime. That first semester could have gone to another person. I was livid. Kinda sorta like with Michelle.
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Carlito1
Member
10-10-2006
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 6:51 pm
I totally agree with the general consensus that Michelle had a right to no longer want to be a part of this season and applaud her for the classy way she handled the Trump team attempts at bullying her and baiting her. That at least showed some level of intelligence on her part and none for the Trumps. I was particularly upset that she was made to walk down the driveway to leave the mansion as opposed to having a cab or limo called. Another example of the old addage"money can't buy you class". I am not an Ivanka fan. What accomplishments in the business world has she acheived that qualifies her to critique and ridicule anyone on the apprentice? The same is true for Junior. What has he done? <100>!lol..lol Kudos to Michelle for having the cajones to walk away with her diginity and value system intact.I'm waiting for someone to really set the Donald straight about his behavior and the real influence his show doesnt have on american corporate hiring practices!
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 6:58 pm
Point well taken, Lil. Imo though it was so, so evident that Michelle was on the verge of getting fired that practically speaking, she effectively played out the opportunity she was given but for the formality of resignation vs. firing. I also think it was fair to say for her to say that the tent thing was too outside what she signed up for. If I applied for a job that I had a slim chance of getting, and then was told I had to live communally in a tent for several weeks or months, which had NOTHING to do with the position I was applying for, I'd probably say "thanks, but no thanks" too. And yes, this is a tv show but Michelle didn't sign up for Survivor.... Frankly, I just can't see Trump hacking 'tent city' himself. The guy won't even change his son's diapers! I suspect he is laughing inwardly at what these folks are willing to endure for an opportunity to work for him, knowing there is no way in hell he would ever put up with it.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 7:15 pm
Ivanka did say he gets a kick out of that sort of thing. He definitely has a cruel streak. I think Michelle thought it was more dignified to quit then get fired. She left with class and style and showed Trump up for the meanie he is. Good job.
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 7:37 pm
I applaud Michelle. Great for her!! I really wish she would have said "I am sorry Mr. Trump, but your organization is not a good fit for me and one I would not want to work for". I have done that with interviews and I have also quit jobs. There is absolutely nothing wrong with quitting a job OR an interview. Her team was trying to get her fired from the beginning and I hope the three of them are fired really quick. They had NO team work. Even if you do not like your co-workers, you still stick together.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 8:23 pm
<<Ivanka did say that Trump liked to put people in situations over their head or out of their normal element and let them sink or swim.>> I wonder if Daddy Donald did that to his children before he let them work for his organization. I also wonder if Donald's Dad did that to him? It just looks like he is looking for the person most likely to be a full blow donkey kisser. I'm betting that he could care less if he hires anybody anyways, he's just doing the show to promote his own wonderfulness. Hey, I didn't see whether anyone had mentioned that Donald's hair is the same color as Baby Baron's. I wonder who's got dyed to match who's?
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 8:45 pm
living in the tents in the backyard is 3rd world??? you must be joking. i have no problem with michelle quitting, but what integrity did she show? a blind person could see she was getting fired and all she did was ( imo) try to get out of going through the harsh boardrooms. integrity would have been quitting before a mission started not after you just bombed as project manager.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 9:38 pm
actually, living in a tent is worse than in many 3rd world countries. many do have brick and mortar (or roughly comparable) homes, indoor plumbing, etc.. http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm "The term Third World includes as well capitalist (e.g., Venezuela) and communist (e.g., North Korea) countries as very rich (e.g., Saudi Arabia) and very poor (e.g., Mali) countries."
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 9:52 pm
It's a roof over their heads, they have fresh water and supplies. Poor babies. I've worked with a lot less.
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Rvon
Member
12-11-2003
| Monday, January 22, 2007 - 10:36 pm
I agree with Michelle. She signed up to do the Apprentice show and to learn from "the best" (so he says). She did not sign up to sleep in tents and she let Donald know this is not what she signed up for. She was very forthright in her answers to him, although he and Ivanka hardly let her get a word in. I say good for Michelle. She handled it with class.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 12:18 am
Zmom, I wish she would have said that but she said she DID want to work for his organization and interview the normal way, but I don't think Trump would be up for that. I do agree with her.. it isn't like you don't have to work under adverse conditions on jobs, but it shouldn't be an artificially created situation just for the sake of torturing people. I've had to pull all nighters and work crazy hours and sleep in odd places but that was to meet a deadline, not just something imposed to make me miserable. Well yeah but if you are in third world conditions you may not have a regular source of food or amenities, medicine, etc. So that hardly compares to a few weeks in a tent in the yard of a mansion. One thing I do wonder, are these changes coming more from Trump or more from Mark Burnett??? I wouldn't just walk out on a job, but give them notice (and no that isn't the same as Michelle's situation since she wasn't filling a position. I remember once we finally got to fill a position as a programmer/analyst and went to a great deal of trouble with the whole process and he came to work ONE DAY, then panicked at the price of housing which one would think he'd have checked out during the interview process.. so he just didn't show up the next day. I have stopped an interview processs.. went for one interview and realized that the job simply wasn't what I wanted, so I told them I didn't want to be considered for the next set of interviews.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 6:43 am
Sea, I agree. I have been through MUCH worse in life than sleeping in a tent btw (I have actually been without any food or medicine for months and nearly died). And yeah, I have camped 'for fun' too, but I agree, this was artifically imposed to make them miserable. If a potential employer wanted to approach the interview that way I would think I just don't want to work for someone like that. Of course there are folks in the 3rd world without adequate food (just as in industrialized nations). But 2/3 of the world is considered 3rd world and many do have normal, sturdy (though small) homes and food. There are many cities in Asia, Africa and Latin America that look much like cities in industrialized nations. I think it is fair to say that tent city is NOT a living condition representative of an industrialized nation.
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