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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 2:39 pm
You're missing my point. In the real world, you would never go to press with only one set of eyes looking at a document. In the real world, Trump (or his associates) would've looked at the design first. In the case of a presentation, such as this one, that is when the client sees mockups of the collaterals. Once the mockups are approved, then you go into production, and IN THE REAL WORLD, the client approves every step of the way. (The draft copy of the text, the layout, the press proofs -- either blue line or color proofs). In the real world, ultimately the CLIENT is responsible for approving the text. I never saw a relationship severed because a phone number was incorrect. And believe me, I've been in this business for a long time.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 3:14 pm
if the Donald was looking for someone anal enough to not let something like a wrong phone number slip through, he would have done better to fire Nicole or Frank, who let a great number of parts of the media presentation slip through. Instead he fired the one person who actually did a lot of work correctly, and one thing wrong. Nicole did the powerpoint presentation, which was awful and which she couldn't even get to work. She made MANY errors. Yet Trump continually praised Cristine's brochure layout and design; but for one mistake, she was gone. As I said, I have to shake my head at his decision making.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 3:41 pm
But as Kristine said... Trump seems to have some weird infatuation with Nicole. Kinda grosses me out, actually (both directions). I know this is really just a reality show, but I think this season (of all of them) just is going thru the motions of interviewing for an apprentice.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 4:32 pm
I don't think I am missing your point Costa, but I think you may be missing mine.... I think DT views the real world process of getting a brochure into print as irrelevant. Who is to say that Kristine would even be working in a marketing capacity. There is a lot of independent number crunching in real estate and plenty of room for error even with review. I think he simply made an inference from this task about Kristine's work standard. Karuuna, from what I have observed Trump perceives certain errors as 'fatal' and those are the ones he does not forgive. I understand the real world editing process very well by the way, maybe that is why I 'get' Trump for being a stickler. I used to work as an executive editor of an editorial group at a prominent legal and business publisher. When you take personal responsibility for the bottom line, you develop certain habits. A numerical error in real estate can be very costly. Trump no doubt is greedy, it is his bottom line, and he does not want to lose. jmho
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:52 pm
I agree with Costa. IRL, no client would let the agency send the brochure to print without seeing it first. Their people would go over it, and at the very minimum two people in the agency would have gone over it. There are always changes made, and no one does a brochure in a few hours and sends it off to print on their own. The agency works for the client and the client has to last word. Mistakes happen all the time, that's why so many people proof read. OTOH, if Frank and Heidi had sent that awful brochure to the client, the client almost certainly would have fired their agency, PDQ.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:55 pm
But...The Apprentice is not the real world, it is reality tv. So Kristine should have gotten the number right. But...Ms. Sleepyhead should have been fired as well. My 2 cents.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:57 pm
The three teams basically made a pitch to the client (Trump). Each team created a presentation with a mockup of a brochure, to try to get the client (Trump) to go with their team (agency). Just like in real life. Trump just didn't want to fire Frank (or, apparently, Nicole) so he fixated on the next (and slimmest) reason to fire someone. But these were presentations! They were not real brochures that had been printed and handed out. They did not do a 5K print run. 'Nuff said.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:38 pm
Again, I agree it would be reviewed in the 'real world' before the brochures were printed for distribution..... talking in circles..... but that's okay
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 7:35 pm
Trump has always been very concerned about details. Whether the brochures would have been sent out this way in the real world is irrelevant to his evaluation of whether his candidates are good at details. LOL - Plus he finds an excuse to fire who he wants to anyway. Hey ... now that is reality!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 8:25 pm
watched the whole miserable hour. I would have thought that a losing team would go. What the heck? Now Heidi did mess up. She seemed to be changing her story when retelling WHY the brochure was crappy. however, Frank was such a hyperactive whirlwind during the task it is amazing she had any brainfunction at all. the stress would have made me blank out as well. I detest freaky hyperactive coworkers. Usually will sideline them with a mundane, hard to screw up task. In this case with only Two people on the team, heidi didnt have a chance. Kristine really messed up when she took full responsibility for the task and ADMITTED that she allowed nicole to continue sleeping. instead of making it appear as if nicole was a slacker, she made it look like she wanted to take control of the whole thing. Final thought? Frank and Nicole in the final four. I would have never believed that would have occurred. A really good example of how this show needs Legitimate Co-executives to make decisions with DT. his son has no long term experience and frankly, i think that the Good Ole Boys Club was at work for the decision. they LIKED frank and two women went
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 8:50 pm
There have been many times the PM of the losing team was NOT fired. It's all based on Trumps favorites or not. James was a losing PM, but Tim was fired. Frank was a losing PM and Martin was fired. Heidi was a losing PM and Marissa was fired, etc etc. Other times the PM was fired (Aaron, Angie, etc). Trump hires whom HE wants, no matter what happens. It's all editing.

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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 7:06 am
And fires who he thinks is getting in the way of hiring who he wants. Er, OK, that didn't make sense. But... if he wants James to be his apprentice, then instead of firing James when he was the losing PM, he'll think up another reason to fire a teammate instead. Heidi dug her own grave on this task and totally blew it in the BR. But I do think Trump wants Nicole around (for some weird reason) and so looked for the only reason he could fire Kristine. Truthfully, I think both women are better off outta there. Truthfully, I would never wanna work for that man, for a multitude of reasons (old boys club included!).
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 8:24 am
And fires who he thinks is getting in the way of hiring who he wants. This totally makes sense...I concur.
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Sugar
Member
08-15-2000
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 10:42 am
Has everyone forgotten the task with the radio stations and Randall, the eventual winner, had put the wrong # (I think it was the station #) on the poster? This is pretty much the same thing that Kristine did. If you can't call the correct # for info to buy a condo or can't program your radio for the station..... Hated to see Heidi meltdown like that. Frank and Nicole would never work for me given what we have seen. James, just not sure about, seems a bit more lucky than competent to me. Who the heck knows anything about Stephanie, we've barely seen her.
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 10:55 am
I had forgotten about Randall! Good point Sugar!
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 11:03 am
I agree with the others about Trump's "firings." IMO, he doesn't really give a rat's patoot who the apprentice is. He pretty much knows who he wants to keep and finds a reason, no matter how silly, to fire the others. I just love his and his kids' remarks about being able to work with someone. Yeah, like all the employees of Trump work closely with him. We're supposed to believe they have weekly hoe-downs or something? Trump asking Frank if he thought he was polished, was a hoot too. Trump is sooo polished, telling them to get their asses out of the boardroom, drooling over a showmance, and then there were his classy remarks about Rosie and Martha. Real polish.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 11:37 am
<<Has everyone forgotten the task with the radio stations and Randall, the eventual winner, had put the wrong # (I think it was the station #) on the poster?>> Yes, I had totally forgetten! Do you remember what was said and if his team lost. I seem to recall thinking that he had seriously blown it at the time. I agree that Trump probably wasn't nuts about Kristine but I still think he truly found the wrong # to be a serious error. jmho
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Sugar
Member
08-15-2000
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 12:16 pm
I think that his team did loose and he was justly scared that he would be fired. I recall he admitted his error and apologized profusely. Trump stated it was a big mistake... but Randall wasn't fired and the eventual winner. Thank goodness it wasn't Rebecca, I didn't really care for her.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 12:51 pm
Super good point Sugar! Too bad Kristine didn't file that little tidbit in her memory. That would have been good to point out to DT. "Mr. Trump, you yourself have chosen a candidate as your apprentice who made the same exact mistake..." I would have loved-loved-loved to see what his response would be!!!
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Cpmfinster
Member
08-15-2005
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:51 pm
Going from memory... I think Clay got fired that episode for saying inappropriate things and talking way too much during the presentation
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:54 pm
Thanks Sugar! Wish I could see that ep again, it would be interesting. I seem to recall Trump looking pretty disappointed. I actually loved Rebecca, she's one of my faves. I didn't care for the way Randall told Trump not to hire her. I would bet my house she would not have done that to him.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:58 pm
Wow Cpmfinster, you have a fantastic memory. I can only vaguely remember who Clay is (I think)
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 2:31 pm
Is the finale on the 22nd?
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:52 pm
I'm with whoever didn't care for Rebecca. She seemed a bit too smug to me.
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Sugar
Member
08-15-2000
| Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 6:56 pm
And the way she played that sprained ankle for the luv of pete! It was a sprain not an amputation without anethesia! Rebecca also had a horrible fundraiser for, was it yahoo? Pretty sure it was an internet co. It was so terrible and barely raised any $. In fact, the pres of the co made an announcement during the finale and gave $ to whatever charity it was.
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