Author |
Message |
Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 2:18 pm
I agree with much of what you have said. To criticize the designers, in any way, for failing to either design a fantastic dress or making comments about these womans figures is unfair. Angela's mother and Jeffery share blame in their head butting too. Neither of them are good with conflict. Angela's mother should have just said, do whatever you choose. I would have. She only had to wear the dress for about 7 minutes, for crying out loud. And she carried on like a child. Just be bigger than the situation and see that Jeffery is a hot tempered designer and let it go. I don't understand why she cared so much. So she didn't like the colors, big deal. 'Tim, not what I would have chosen but I am looking forward to see what Jeffery creates for me.' Anything like that would have been the way to go.
|
Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 2:41 pm
Just wanted to correct what I said about Tim's Take regarding the "rub-off". Tim didn't say Vincent was smart to use it, he actually said "In the case of most menswear, using a rub-off is smart and efficient." And ITA with your post Fruit. And I think this every time I re-watch the episode, but Angela's mother has never worn blue? How is that even possible? Oh, also, was rewatching the Miss USA challenge the other day and when Malan started talking about his mother...wow, now how would that have been if he'd made it to the average woman challenge and his mom had been on there? Is probably better for him that he got eliminated before then!
|
Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 3:21 pm
I'm pressed for time so I'll just say I agree with a lot that Fruitbat, Cdbga, and Alisons have already said. And Sadiesmom made some good points too that I hadn't considered. Despite some disappointments along the way, PR and TAR are by far my favorite competition-based reality shows ever.
|
Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 3:28 pm
quote:body type not easy to design for anyway
Gee, I don't know. I manage to dress myself everyday and many people think I'm quite stylish. Perhaps if one went into the challenge with a few less preconceptions about working with fat women, one could have designed something slightly more attractive than a potato sack.
|
Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 3:48 pm
i dont think its appropriate to label any of the moms moridly obese .. they may be overweight and maybe some fall into being obsese but none of them looked moridly obese or excessive in any way - just seemed like normal women to me The New Definition of Obesity: Today, health care professionals use the body mass index to determine a person's weight status. This body mass index was turned into a calculator, and today it is called the BMI calculator. We now define obesity as a BMI above 30. A Breakdown of the BMI Categories: 18.5 or less is underweight 18.5 to 24.9 is normal 25 to 29.9 is overweight 30 or higher is obese. So far we have discussed the definition of obesity and the definition of childhood obesity. Let's now take a look at the definition of morbid obesity. Definition of Morbid Obesity: The definition of adult morbid obesity has also changed over the years. The Old Definition: A person whose weight is equal to or exceeds more than 100% of their ideal body weight. The New Definition: Today, as you know, we use the BMI calculator to determine a person's weight status. We now define morbid obesity as a BMI equal to or above 40.
|
Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 4:51 pm
Great post, Prisoner
|
Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 6:53 pm
While I agree w/you Prisoner, I also think for those designers it was so far beyond their realm of experience, they truly had no idea how to go about it. The majority of them are YOUNG w/ little "world experience," and quite frankly, even the old/popular/famous designers do NOT design for "normal" women -- they design for the stick figure. I bet most of the contestants hadn't done anything like this before unless it was an assignment in design school -- and even then, probably wasn't where they actually had to dress the women. I think morbid obesity IS accurate for a couple of them, though -- especially b/c they are short, it is NOT hard to hit that 40 mark. Shoot, w/the old guidelines, I was only 1 point away from morbidly obese, and I only wore a 12!!
|
Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 7:01 pm
yes, a couple of those "real life" models would be considered morbidly obese. most were either overweight or obese. at first glance, maybe 2 or 3 would be considered "normal weight". very tough without their working forms (no taping up and pinning) and only one day. they should have had one day design, cut, sew, have the models try on the clothing, redesign, cut and sew the second day. 'squeek'
|
Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 9:17 pm
LINK TO BLOG
|
Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 9:54 pm
Just read that again, and I was wrong -- I was one BMI point away from "obesity." Still, I think couple of those qualify.
|
Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 12:24 am
There are times I think that women are expected to do their duty and look presentble, fit, pretty and trim. If we dare have the audacity to be fat, then all we deserve is a potato sack. That's why I'd like to see a challenge specifically where the designers have to dress an obese woman. Not the "plus size model" they referred to earlier in the season (come on now, she's about as plus size as I am tall). I mean, someone real and plus size, like me. See, these episodes are supposed to be called challenges right? So.....challenge them already. Don't see what they can make out of recycled garbage or plant material. Who's going to really wear that stuff anyway? Sure, that tests their creativity. But....let's really challenge them and see what bright new ideas they can bring to the fashion industry. Otherwise, just sign them up with a mentor to learn from so they can continue to churn out the same old stuff year after year that's already been done.
|
Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 4:11 am
The designers had only one day for this project. Jeff's model asked for a tailored jacket and he told her there was not enough time. In their defense I really do not see how they could have designed much more than a simple dress or tunic to be worn over pants. The women showed up wearing clothes that fit that description. Jeffery almost duplicated Darlene' dress. Straight shift with a dickie! I do not think Project Runway will offer a challenge like this again. They have been under fire. Many took offense at Tim using the word zaftig. Definition: (of a woman) having a full rounded figure; pleasingly plump. Sure seems to me that any of the overweight women would have been flattered by this description.
|
Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 5:13 am
An overweight woman might not mind "zaftig", but he said it about model Alexandra, who is not exactly oversized. I think that is what sparked most of the criticism. I am overweight and I've been fighting bulimia since college. Having someone Alexandra's size called "plump" is the kind of thing that contributes to an obsession with being rail-thin. Curves are okay, not something that should cause a designer to be eliminated. I think the mom/sister challenge could have been a positive thing...but they really needed to give the designers both the time and tools they needed to do something special for these women. I dress myself every day and manage to look great, but I watched a lot of "What Not to Wear" before I really learned how to dress my body.
|
Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 6:10 am
How many of these people went to fashion design school (like Parson's) and how do they manage to graduate without knowing how to design for the body bigger than size 2? Yes, Tim called Alexandra zaftig and plus-sized and she has to be what, a size 8? I adjust regular patterns to fit me all the time. It isn't that hard. Yes, it is more than just adding inches, because the curves end up in different places, but these people are supposed to be trained designers. They should know how to fit any body type. 40% of women in America are size 14 or larger and 5'4" or shorter. Too many of those designers were offended by having to design for the everyday woman instead of their 6' size 0 models, or made fun of them (including Uli with her wrapping the plus size pants around her to show how big they were). They really ought to learn not to bite the hands that feed them.
|
Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 6:57 am
I am not sure these designers have an eye on a career designing plus sized clothes. In fact I would put big money down on that. Not all designers and clothing lines do plus sizes. That is fine. There are others who cater to the larger woman. There is plenty of fashion to go around. Sure the models are size 2 but the designers put out a line with sizes up to 12 in the same creations. Go in any department store and you see this.
|
Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 8:43 am
agreed Cdbga. I looked at Alexandra, and thought, if that's zaftig, I must be a whale. And my guess? Alexandra was no bigger than a 4/6. Seriously.
|
Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 8:53 am
you are right yankee Alexandra height 5’10”/1.78 bust 34b/86 waist 24/61 hips 36/91 dress 4-6/34-36 shoe 9/39 hair blonde eyes blue
|
Darrellh
Member
07-21-2004
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 10:07 am
We were laughing at the fact that Vincent took his pants off to get a rub-off! One thing I guess I didn't understand...I would have thought that all of these designers would have made SOME clothes for themselves before this.
|
Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 11:58 am
A pretty good show, but all of the designers are beginning to bore me with their one-note signature looks. Jeffrey's rock-star look was hot, but he's a total @ss so I had a hard time being happy for him. I am wondering when Vincent will finally go. I have been underwhelmed by him since day one and wish he would get weeded out already. I will miss Angela--I liked her style and personality. She could have a great career in the junior market and did quite well in some of the other challenges as well. I'm glad they aired Michael saying nice things about her.
|
Ritfie
Member
05-09-2006
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 2:23 pm
I was thinking the same thing about Michael, Nyheat. I thought Angela was a little quirky, but not a bad person and Jeffery was very in-your-face with her in the past. Michael seems like an all around good guy and it was great that he didn't trash Angela after she was let go. And about Jeffery. He is a good designer. He's come a long way from a troubled past. He needs to chill out and treat others better.
|
Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 2:29 pm
If the winner is getting a job with a chain brand clothing line, then they should also know how to design for real people. Michael has shown he can make REAL clothes that REAL people would probably buy. Some runway designs are just that - for the runway only - show off the designer's creativity. It's all for fun. But the real nitty gritty is clothing that can be sold to the public. By the way, while Laura's design was nice, that color was TERRIBLE on her skin tone. Uli's dress was also an interesting design and might have gone over better in a single color or just one pattern of design rather than the look of scarves sewn together. I hate that they trashed the pretty butterfly design on Kayne's black shirt - I personally loved it and after all, the challenge was design for the designer - he loved it too. Guess the larger collar is what made it "Elvis"? Vincent & Jeffery were so BLACK, so I liked the added color (which is another reason why Michael's stood out - he should have won). 'squeek'
|
Zummat
Member
01-31-2006
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 8:23 pm
I am tired of the little dance we do to come up with some acronym of what to label someone who is obviously FAT. I was fat, but I did something about it. I lost 58 pounds. I wore a size 20, now I wear a size 10. I changed how I think. I substituded the word "unwilling” in place of “I can’t”. When I did that it opened my eyes. I got out of the fast food drive through lane and started eating healthy. I got off my butt and starting moving around. I now walk up 12 flights of stairs everyday and by the end of the year it will be 20. It hasn’t been overnight. I'm 56 years old and I feel better than I have in years. My blood pressure is now under control and I do not have to take any medication. I hate the term “real woman”. Several of the moms and sisters are fat – period. <77>
|
Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Friday, September 01, 2006 - 11:57 pm
And at a size ten, you would still be considered fat by the designers on Project Runway, who considered a model who wore a size 4-6 "Zaftig" and "plus-sized." What a messed up world we live in.
|
Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:28 pm
I liked this ep. Sad to see angela go, I am sure she will have a good career, in fact I am sure all of them will be successful. I love Michael more each week!! He shoulda won, Jeffey's outfit looked just as much like a costume as Kayne's did. I cant stand Jeffery amd wanted him to go before angela. Laura rubs me the wrong way ever since she made comment about being preggers...she was so casual and said something like what's another brat running around...she just didnt strike me as a loving mother. Didnt she still drink champagne that one nite acting like no biggie? I like most of the rest, Vincent is strange but I like his designs. Tim gets more handsome each week, his skin looked so flawless this week. I loved how they got a thrill he was comming with them. Everyone should have a 'Tim' in their life.
|
Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:29 pm
look at pics at the top...angela is next to be b/w-ed....I hope it is a sign that Jeff will go next.
|