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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 3:16 pm
Nicole's nails are Trump press on nails 
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 3:22 pm
At first I thought that firing Kristine over a phone number was kind of dumb. But on second thought, assuming that brochure was a final product (and that would be the assumption for this sort of task) and would normally have been distributed to several hundred potential clients, having the wrong phone number would not have helped sales.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 3:34 pm
I used to work in both an ad agency (as production manager) and in marcom. Having a wrong number printed on a brochure is A Very Bad Thing. That said, however, you never EVER send a brochure to print WITHOUT HAVING SOMEONE ELSE LOOK AT IT. That someone should proofread the copy (for typos) and always (and I mean ALWAYS) verify the spelling of the company name, the address, and the phone number. Always. So if Kristine went to print without having Nicole look at it, I blame both of them. K for not waking up N, and N for not demanding that the brochure not be printed without approvals. However, I would sincerely doubt that they went to press and printed 1K, 2.5K, or 5K of those brochures.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 4:21 pm
Oh I'm sure it never went to press. But that would be the assumption if Kristine was working a real task for the Trump organization. If Heidi had been working with Kristine, they would have got the number right. I think that Heidi and Kristine worked well as a team but Kristine sure messed both of them up in her attempt to get rid of Heidi. LOL!
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 4:24 pm
Well, if Kristine is the ad agency and Trump is the client, most ad agencies put the onus on the client for the final proofread and sign off. If you miss a bad phone # as the client, then it's your bad. Now if Kristine is the employee, and she misses it, different story, so it depends on how you are looking at it. But really, in this task, she was acting more as agency, not client. IRL, you hire an agency and they make presentations to you and then you finesse the process from there, or hire one agency over another. I still think on balance that if you are looking to decide between two people to employ, you'd want one that actually worked . And trust me, in her entire lifetime, Kristine will never make the contact info mistake again. Once you do it, you become totally anal about it!
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 4:30 pm
In case anyone hasn't already said it, who would have believed after watching the first couple of episodes that 4 members of ARROW would be standing at the end... and NONE of the other team that won everything. It's weird that DT JR would like Frank working for him.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 4:36 pm
I was thinking the same thing last night Kooklie. It is kind of weird considering how much time Arrow spent in Tent City.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 5:00 pm
I hate it when someone loses over a stupid mistake like that. I agree that I'd rather hire Kristine than Nicole. At least Kristine tried and worked hard. I wonder if Trump looks at the task footage before the boardroom.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 5:04 pm
At this point, James probably has it in the bag. But, I think his real strength is in knowing how to utilize people's skills. Stephani had all the great ideas for their presentation. James's contribution was that he could recognize and run with a good idea. Could not believe how Heidi self-destructed during the presentation. Especially when they showed her practicing beforehand. Frank would certainly be a handful. I wonder if Tim knows that Nicole snores...
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 5:05 pm
Oh.. and it was funny that Frank was going to miss 'Tent City'.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 5:48 pm
Interview with Kristine Interview with Heidi
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 8:14 pm
Stephanie & Nicole have NEVER been a project manager - they have never SUPERVISED or MANAGED in this competition. 
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 8:29 pm
That's an interesting point but almost inevitable the way the competition was designed where the winning PMs continue in the role until defeated.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, April 09, 2007 - 10:06 pm
I can see why Trump got rid of Kristine. I don't think he was enamoured with her to begin with. But in the R.E. biz, you HAVE to be anal about #s. Some people develop habits of double and triple checking their figures, you can bet Trump has, and going over things with a fine tooth comb before sending them out for publication. Kristine obviously has not. Furthermore, it didn't appear that she asked Nicole to review it, though I would fault both of them.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 7:53 am
In the real world... If Trump was the client, had approved the proof, and it went to press with a bad number, the rerun would be on the client. If it had been the agency's fault (which usually never happens unless the agency changes something after the client has signed the blue line), then the agency is responsible for the make-good run. In all the years I've worked in marketing, in one form or another, I saw only ONE TIME where a phone number was wrong. And it was off by only one digit (the last number). In that case, everyone and their mother had approved the proof, and the client footed the bill to rerun the job. I did notice that the F4 were all Arrow. And, interestingly, three of my least fav contestants from the get-go. I still dunno why Nicole is still there. She hasn't done anything and, in fact, has had some pretty bad ideas (rollerskates?). Since she hasn't managed anything yet, should be interesting to see what she does next week. I predict she's gonna be outta there pretty quickly. I have a sneaking suspicion Trump wants an even number of female vs male at the end.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 8:45 am
But in the real world, even if it is ultimately the client's responsibility to proof read and the client is at fault, I'm still not sure that the client would give the agency more business if the agency got a number like that wrong?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 9:04 am
They (the client) actually did. We did end up kinda making a joke outta it though... whenever I was getting ready to send a job out to the printer, I'd fax the last page (with the addy and phone #) to the client, asking for verification. And then when we got the blue line back, I'd messenger it over with a Post It note stuck to the back, saying that I thought the number was right, did they? We kinda joked about it... I mean, sh*t happens. And if EVERYONE misses something, then it's kinda funny. In the real world, clients do understand that mistakes happen. And in the real world, when it's the clients mistake, they usually take responsibility. The one thing I found interesting was that Trump noticed the detail that the numbers were different. Which kinda surprised me.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 9:14 am
In the link above, Cristine says that the number is a Trump number, and that when Nicole said it wasn't, she was throwing Cristine under the bus. It was a number for Trump Media, not the correct sales number; but Cristine obviously picked it up off another Trump promotion piece.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 9:22 am
Seriously? Then I like Nicole even LESS, if she lied about it. Didn't she say it wasn't even a Trump number? (And, of course, now I can't remember what the voice said when the number was called and answered.) OK, I'm reading her interview right now, and a couple of things... I noticed Nicole did keep saying "we just need to tell Trump we'll sell all of his units." And that was that and it would be enough. And I remember thinking, um, that's not really a presentation, is it? I mean, really now! (And I hadda laugh at Kristine's comment about Nicole's voice and multisensory presentation, cause I feel the same way!) ETA: I just went and checked the Web site for Trump LV. That number was for the public relations firm (for media inquiries). So it really wasn't a Trump number at all, because Trump is a client of theirs.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 10:21 am
Why couldn't the entire season have been more like Sunday's episode?
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Trini
Member
07-06-2004
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 11:09 am
Having the wrong phone number printed on anything is a very huge mistake. If anyone of us here should program a number incorrectly into our e-device, the horror! We may not be able to get in touch for months and we would be beside ourselves.
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Trini
Member
07-06-2004
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 11:31 am
Quote:That's an interesting point but almost inevitable the way the competition was designed where the winning PMs continue in the role until defeated. What is sad is once defeated you are blamed for everything and you are fired.
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 11:36 am
This is a terrible final 4! Three people who can't talk without SCREAMING and 1 person who was so UTR that this is the first episope I noticed her. Trump needs George and Carolyn back.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 2:07 pm
<<In the real world, clients do understand that mistakes happen.>> In my experience, this varies. Businesses change relationships all of the time because of mistakes. That's why it's important to build good personal relationships, hopefully then if something goes wrong you are cut some slack. Not everyone is universally understanding. I don't think it matters who would have proofed this in the 'real world.' Kristine knew that no one else had proofed it, and she let a critical error through. Again, I really think DT is looking for someone who is too anal to let this sort of thing happen because real estate is exceedingly detail and number oriented. Moreover DT probably has higher standards than other developers. You don't maintain a dominant position in the cut throat world of luxury commercial real estate by being sloppy.
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 2:10 pm
Wisely you speak Yoda 
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