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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 8:14 am
Eyore. Impressive rant. Brilliant! I stand in awe. Not to diminish your thunder, or anything, but Sean is from England and that is the way they talk over there. (that is my favorite part of your tirade)
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 9:15 am
good post Nancypj!!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 9:26 am
Good point about Lee staging a great event. There should be something said about that. Sure the girls did make double the money, but man, they had nothing. They really did get lucky.
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 10:11 am
I don't like the Michael firing because he did not lose this task. When the cheer coach came to him she was concerned about only sending girls to one site and in his mind he was trying to negotiate with her. She told Allie she'd send half the girls to each team but it was Michael who convinced her to only send one or two and even then he said he'd have to clear it with his PM. I think he was afraid she might pull out all together and was trying to do what he could to get the best advantage for his team. I don't think Michael has what it takes for this job (he reminds me of Tuvok from Star Trek Voyager) but thought Lee should have been fired on this task.
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Chieko
Member
11-20-2003
| Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 10:32 am
The men did stage a great event but the bottom line is making money and they made almost half as much as the women. I wish it was more clear about if they were given a certain amount of start up money or if their expenses were deducted from their profit. They really had quite a lot of expenses, printing cost, money booth rental and money, grill that was given away and food for the eating contest. I own a bar and have stiff competition. My competitiors constantly undersell me(drinks at almost break even prices several nights a week), dances ( the bands are quite an expense), cash prizes and give aways, extensive advertising, ect. They sometimes pack their businesses while I may have only a moderate crowd, and yet in the end I make as much or more than they do. Promotions are exhausting and expensive. Sometimes (usually) it is better to just concentrate on selling a good drink at a fair price, having friendly, fast service and not lowering price points and running up big expenses.
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Biginjapan
Member
07-23-2005
| Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 2:37 pm
That Michael firing seems liked they were grasping at straws to keep their villian Lee in the game. Villians are good for TV...and we have two with Lee and Allie...and looks like Roxanne is in training. Her editing has gone down hill fast. Who the heck are we supposed to root for????
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 3:25 pm
I'll have to go back and read Eeyore's lament in a bit but... I watch The Apprentice out of habit these days. I dunno whether the current batch of contestants just bores me, if Trump bores me, or if it's the show. I haven't yet watched last night's ep, but... I really cannot imagine why Lee is still there. I think whoever said he's been lucky cuz there've been others who deserved ye olde boote first were in the BR with him is right. I surely do hope the man doesn't make F2!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 3:40 pm
How is Lee a villian and why do so many people dislike him so much? The only thing I saw him do/say that was bad was when he waffles on an answer (politician style). I've seen a "borderline" comment or two about women, but nothing that insulted me. I think Lee has a lot of good ideas.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 4:52 pm
LOL Costa! FINALLY someone gets my name!!
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 4:55 pm
I finally got to watch the show last night after reading all the posts here. One thing I had to LOL at was Allie's comment of "I feel like I'm back in college." After all the comments of her high school girl attitude, I just thought it was really funny. I thought I was going to like Roxanne when this first started. But I think she got influenced by the sorority girl clique thing. Hey, they want a finale worthy of their definition "good tv?" OK then, lets pit Allie and Roxanne against each other. They've done great teaming up as two sorority girls being catty towards everyone else. Wouldn't it be funny to see the cat fight if they were forced to turn on each other? 
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Biscottiii
Member
05-30-2004
| Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 8:08 pm
Who said: .... two sorority girls being catty towards everyone else. Wouldn't it be funny to see the cat fight if they were forced to turn on each other? Roxie & Allie....skreeeeeech Cat Fight! Oh YES! Oh YUM! Now THAT would truly be good TV! Because the candidates, none of them, seem like real worker material. So, let's settle for some Good TV! Bisc
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Biscottiii
Member
05-30-2004
| Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 4:17 pm
During past seasons, I used to link my favorite 'treat of the week' but never got a sense that anyone read it, never heard any comments. But I will try here again. In our newspaper's Business Section 2 days after the show, there's a column by a Business Instructor at our nearby Bellevue Community College pointing out the Apprentice pros & cons, relating lessons to be learned in the real life business world. Very well written IMO. What I find fun each week, after seeing all the comments posted here, is to see if she zeroed in on the same issues TVCL posters pointed out. Usually that's the case, but she gives further info as to why actions taken could be detrimental on the job. Sometimes she has very different takes on the candidates but that's part of the fun. I know everyone's got a lot of reading, but this is interesting while being educational. Here's this week's column: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 Apprentice 101: Never sacrifice exclusive 'competitive edge' By MAUREEN MORIARTY, SPECIAL TO THE P-I http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/269584_apprentice10.html ABOUT THE SERIES What can real-world business leaders learn from the NBC series "The Apprentice"? That's the question the Seattle P-I posed to Maureen Moriarty, who uses the show as a teaching and coaching tool. She'll try to answer the question each week on Wednesdays throughout the show's season. Maureen Moriarty is a professional accredited executive coach, organizational development consultant and leadership development corporate trainer. She is the Founder of Pathways to Change and offers leadership development courses and coaching to local companies and individuals. Web site: www.pathtochange.com
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 6:12 pm
Interesting article, Biscottiii. Thanks for the link. I like Sean a little more each week -- more for his humor than his business sense, but I'd love to see him in F3 so we can see what he's like when it's down to the wire.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 6:32 pm
Thanks for the link to a good article! I enjoyed reading it. I agree with all of her points.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-30-2004
| Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 4:06 pm
Thank YOU Teach and Jimmer for taking time out to read it! Much appreciate the feedback. I've been retired a few years, didn't start watching Apprentice until afterwards. But reading this lady's column (she switched to critiquing Martha Stewart's Apprentice instead when that one was shown), over the past couple of seasons, has given me insights that I wish I had known beforehand. Certainly wouldn't have been as naïve about office politics as I was. I know that there were some things I would have done differently while on the job. Some of her comments have also explained actions taken by head honchos that left me retiring earlier than I had intended. Absolutely NO regrets about retiring, but having some possible explanations for motivations on managers parts has been truly helpful. These apprentices may be young in the business world sense, but many of their 'moves' aren't all brand new tricks.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-30-2004
| Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 4:43 pm
It was interesting to read her comments about Sean at the time Andrea was fired, on the Ellis Island task. (Personally, I had believed that Andrea was clearly NOT a team player and had needed to make her exit long before she did.) The comments about Sean: "Lessons learned The Good # Integrity: Sean refused to go along with Allie's plan to throw Andrea under the bus in Trump's boardroom. He was not convinced she was the reason the team lost and he admired her leadership on previous tasks. I admire his courage and confidence to stand up against the tide and mob mentality." Apprentice 101: Andrea left team high and dry http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/267999_apprentice26.html Personally, I'm on the bench about Sean. I think his giving the womanizing appearance could land him in trouble, perhaps sexual harassment issues. What one woman might think is cute or provocative behavior, another woman might be running screaming to Human Resources. It did give me a belly laugh when he commented on the team being run on EEEEstrogen, took a second to figure what the word meant. I had high hopes for Roxanne but am becoming increasingly disappointed with her slipping so easily into the High School Girlie Clique mode. Allie may be able to sell sell sell, but too much of an immature backstabber and the main instigator of the girlie club, IMO. At this point, I don't see any Apprentice candidate that I'm rooting for. Just watching to see which fall guy takes the plunge NEXT. TIMBEEEEEEEERRRR (lol!)
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Needmylifeback
Member
08-14-2000
| Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 4:46 pm
I've got to ask (after watching the episode and thinking about it...) I didn't see Lee or Sean out hustling and selling either .. it seemed to me they were standing behind the tables waiting for people to come up and hand them money .. so in my opinion... Michael was the only one really working (now I agree the focus was in the wrong place .. but that is what Lee assigned him to do!) So did Lee and Sean bust their bums trying to sell .. or did they just stand there taking in money?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 6:05 pm
I think that the further into the show you get, the more the cumulative efforts of the candidates become a factor in the decision. Michael had given no indication that he could ultimately win or even have a chance of winning. I respected Sean as well for not going along and bashing Andrea, which clearly would have been the easier road to take. From what we've seen on the show, I think that Allie should have put that behind her and moved on along time ago. I wouldn't want to hire her for that reason alone.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, May 12, 2006 - 6:46 pm
Can anyone remember if the team Lee was on was on the losing team for those two times he didn't participate? I remember at least one time that his team lost while he was taking time off for his religious observances. If his team lost on both tasks, I'm thinking Lee really got lucky. He, essentially, got a free pass for two of the 15 weeks of the job interview. Oh, yeah, and did anyone else notice... during his speech for that week's task, Trump used to say "welcome to week blah of your 16 week interview." And last timee he said "15 week interview." (Guess the firing of two folks cuts the number of weeks down, huh? <grin>) Finally, "weeks" of interviews? Hmm... the tasks could take, at most, three days. One day to prepare, one day to perform, and one day to get judged. What happens to the remaining four days of that week? Anyone know? (Just things that make y'go "hmmmm...."!) LOL Eeyeore! I thought you might chuckle on that one!
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Bblover262
Member
08-05-2005
| Monday, May 15, 2006 - 9:23 am
Costacat, someone should be able to figure out the real time frame between challenges if we knew when the Jewish Holidays were that Lee was off celebrating. If I remember correctly Lee was gone during one show and back for one show and then gone again for the next show. Can someone correct me if I am wrong? Does anyone know when the Jewish Holidays were that he was celebrating?
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:10 am
Last year Rosh Hashanah started sundown October 3 (lasts until sundown October 4) and Yom Kippur started sundown October 12 (until sundown October 13).
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Bblover262
Member
08-05-2005
| Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 9:44 am
This would mean that the Apprentice Weeks are approximately three days long - just as we thought.
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