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Yellek
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08-22-2001

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yellek a private message Print Post    
I noticed that too Spoton. I'm a picky eater and was thinking it's a good thing it wasn't me having to pretend to like eating truffles! I'd much rather stick to chocolate truffles.

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
I know several yrs ago Arby's had a chicken cashew salad that was "to die for". I lived in Ohio for a few yrs & there was an Arby'd around the corner from my office. I got this salad for lunch about once/wk. I honestly don't remember the last time I even went to an Arby's & we have 4 of them here. I'll have to go by one & see if they still have this great salad.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
It was ridiculous for Bryce to bring Lee into the boardroom. There was no way Trump was going to fire him for observing a religious holiday -- can you imagine the backlash?

I don't get the "natural" claim for the Arby's chicken. Okay, so it's not parts, like a McNugget. Some of it looked breaded. Wendy's has chicken breasts, both breaded and unbreaded, that look just like that. I was just at ARby's last night and their menu is so barren. They lack in selection for the side items. And their fries stink. They are trying to improve and have spruced up the kid meal like McDonald's did.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I don’t think Trump judged Bryce solely on the task of song writing but on the content of the lyrics and how the he handled the loss. He didn’t handle it well at all. He put blinders on and committed boardroom suicide.

It rightfully made Bryce look foolish, inexperienced and insensitive taking Lee. When Trump found out they were 25 mins late to the meeting that showed poor leadership skills too…he didn’t even know what time the meeting was for.

Then instead of taking those who actually missed mentioning the key points that the Arby’s people wanted he took Lee and Lenny. If you’ve ever had to manage a staff you know that sometimes one staff member may have weak to zero expertise in a project and you just deal with it the best you can. It wasn’t like Lenny wasn’t trying…as inane as his quips were.

If Bryce couldn’t see that the jingle missed crucial points, then Bryce missed the mark. Bryce signed off on the jingle that didn’t prominently incorporate the name Arby’s into the tune.

A team that gets along well is great but not the end all. It’s more important that Bryce took a step back and realize that the jingle wasn’t what the Arby’s people wanted in terms of incorporating what was said in the meeting.

There may have been a chance for Bryce if he took Charm and Mr. T but he didn’t. I don’t think Trump had a choice.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
So, maybe Bryce would make a better social worker than real estate tycoon. At least he accomplished something with that team, in terms of getting them to bond and work together, which was holding them back in other tasks. I guess it is ridiculous to expect any PM to be able to be an expert and totally effective in ALL areas. I think he was a positive influence on his team and made some mistakes. But then, so do a lot of others.

Ginger1218
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08-31-2001

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ginger1218 a private message Print Post    
Is the Apprentice going to be on at 10pm every Monday from now on? I hope not.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
I think their biggest mistake was being so late to that meeting. After that I don't think it would have mattered what their jingle was the execs wouldn't have liked it. Just my 2 cents.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 2:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
I don't know that the team worked well together actually. OK, maybe they worked together better than before. But, once they decided Lenny had nothing to offer, they just plain ignored him. Bryce should have seen that and immediately found something for him to do to contribute. Lenny was left to just wander around and try to interject and contribute. Brushing him off like that isn't exactly what I'd call working together.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
YEah, it's amazing how every season we see teams arriving late for meetings like it's no big deal. And every season they get called out for it, but the subsequent season doesn't seem to learn this lesson.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 6:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
I knew when Charmaine was setting that appointment for 10:15 and they showed the clock at 9:40 and then she told Bryce they needed to leave in 10 or 15 minutes . . . they were doomed. Apparently this one was still filming when we watched the team last season that had to deal with NY traffic. What would be the big deal with being a few minutes early? It's always better to show up a little early than to be late. They deserved to get fired just for that alone.

And Bryce was positively STOOPID to bring Lee into the board room. You can't fire someone for practicing their religion. It's illegal! I'm sure he told them during the interview process that he was Jewish and would need to observe these holidays while they were filming. I'm sure the producers knew about it ahead of time and had no problem.

And then to argue with DT in the board room! I loved Carolyn's comment, "Why don't you just say, 'Fire me, Mr. Trump.'"

I admire what Bryce tried to do with his team, but in the end, they still lost the task and someone had to go home. Bryce basically fired himself by not being able to set anyone else up to be fired.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I agree with Kar. Bryce showed he was a great leader, DT was wrong on this firing.

Bill is getting more irritating, more kiss assy to DT and more holier than thou to the applicants.

I think it is unfair that Lee has basically gotten 2 free rides because of Jewish holidays. Christmas is an important holiday to me but if a 100,000 job was riding on me working that day I would do it, I am sure God would understand.

Lee reminds me of someone from last season, he looks just like him, can't remember the name of the guy, anyone remember him?

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 7:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Pamy!

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I agree Pamy. How many doctors, nurses, firemen, policemen work on Easter, Christmas, etc. We all have to sacrifice sometimes to earn a living. Lee's been given a huge opportunity on this show and to sit out two events, to me, shows a lack of commitment to get the job done.

I think Bryce was a much stronger candidate than many who are left.

Hummingbird
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08-21-2002

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hummingbird a private message Print Post    
I'm a nurse. If I told my employer that I couldn't work on Christmas or Easter or even that working on Sunday was against my religion, they wouldn't have hired me in the first place. If I pulled that after being hired, it would get me nowhere. I have to work my share of religious holidays and Sundays or find another job.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
This was a really dumb task to judge people on if ya ask me...

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 8:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
I understood Bryce's reasons for keeping Charmaine and Tarek out of it. They did what nobody else on the team was capable of. They may have missed one point, but Bryce knew that they still did a better job than anyone else on the team would've done. It was simply a matter of one team's best being better than the other team's. At some point any one of them could've pointed out that they were missing a key point in their lyrics. Bryce figured he was the one who should take the fall for the loss since it was a team effort and Bryce as PM represented the team. He gave a good exit interview at the Yahoo site explaining why he did what he did.

I was never impressed with Bryce before, but I agree with Karuuna. It was a different atmosphere when they were all in the boardroom. It wasn't all ugly this time and they didn't turn on each other. If Trump really wanted to fire Tarek or Charmaine he could've called them back down, or skipped the final BR and fired one or both of them on the spot as has been done in the past. Martha would have.

Hey, did anyone else find that scene with Allie and Sean a little awkward in a funny way? It was like watching a robot flirt.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 8:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Hummingbird, my sil is an or nurse at a leading teaching hospital in Chicago and she never works the high holidays nor do many of the doctors she works with. But it doesn't leave the hospital under staffed since the date is known ahead of time.

Regardless it was insensitive. My neighbor always used her personal days for the jewish holidays.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 1:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i have always had to work holidays and shiftwork thru sunday. however, if a person makes a stand and refuses to work, the employer cant really do anything about it.

i worked with a woman who refused to do afternoon shifts because her daughter needed extra tutoring due to problems reading. this same woman also worked ONLY Dayshift weekends (even though there is no school on weekends LOL), We all thought it was a scam LOL

Anyways, i agree with Brenda'66 , i also feel that Lee shows a lack of commitment by choosing not to join in on the challenges. He could have taken a less active role but at least been there for some part of the day. If I recall correctly, you arent supposed to work but there isnt a rule against being present while OTherS are working.

Lenny stated in an earlier episode that he too is jewish. Something was said about being in the military and how he learned to work thru the jewish holidays as it was expected. I think Lee is young and inexperienced. I truly cant see him lasting much longer.

i am surprised that some of you feel that Bryce had the team working together. I never saw that at all. the girls worked independantly on the words of the song - lenny tried to help at first - we didnt see much of Bryce or tarek until the musicians were arranging and recording the jingle. Once again, there wasnt any actual teamwork. It seemed like each person worked independantly.

If they had truly sat down as a team I am sure someone would have caught the errors.


((mind you, I really preferred the old fashioned jingle. The rock n roll jingle sounded bland and would be ignored as 'just another commercial' as there was nothing different about it. I have no idea why the Execs said that it was original.))

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 7:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
If you're an observant Jew, the High Holy Days are not an option. Of course, if you're a doctor or nurse, fire fighter, whatever is essential for health or safety, and can't be replaced, that's another matter.

However, skipping the holiday for a game show/interview, is totally another matter. He couldn't work part of the day, because you're at services all day.

My daughter works in a hospital, and Christians and Jews cover for each other on the religious holidays.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Although I respect people's religious beliefs, I am having a hard time with Lee. When he agreed to be on this show, he knew that there would be two high holidays during this time. And so, because of his religious beliefs, he really did get a free pass for two tasks. I can understand the frustration the team may have with him.

Before I get flamed, I understand and respect other's beliefs. But I don't think it's fair to impose those beliefs on others. And by refusing to participate in any tasks, that is exactly what Lee has done.

That said, Bryce should've read between the lines. No way was Trump gonna fire Lee. Had Bryce not been so blind, he would've brought Tarek. Who most certainly would've been fired.

This team was still dysfunctional. Showing up late for a meeting. Not finding out the most important points that Arbys wanted to get across. As soon as they left the meeting, I knew they'd lose.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
I'm sure that Lee mentioned the High Holy Days in his interviews to get onto the show, and if they still took him, knowing this, then it's off him. Like Trump said the one before, that was why George wasn't there, so he's supportive of that.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
But is it fair to his teammates, Lady? That's my point. I'm sure he told the producers, but did they say anything to the team members when they were doing the schoolyard pick? Nope, I'd bet they didn't.

And like I said, I support his choice. I just don't support the fact that he is forcing his choice on his team.

This was week 5 of the 15 week interview. Lee has gotten a free pass for 2 of the 5 weeks. Literally, not had to do anything for the task, and basically ended up exempt for it.

I just don't think it's fair.

Spoton
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09-16-2005

Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spoton a private message Print Post    
Ah, but work, like life, isn't fair! Is it any worse that Lee was not there for a legitimate excuse, than for someone like Leslie fading into the background of each task, not taking any real risk or responsibility? It happens all the time that we, as a community of workers, make exception for those who work with us who must be away (they are sick - their kids are sick - they got called to jury duty). It isn't any easier for us to cover for them no matter how legitimate the excuse, but that's what we do. Life happens. Lee could not help that the Apprentice was scheduled over the holidays. If they had not accommodated him (of their own free will) it is likely he would not have been able to do it at all. I have zero problem with his absenses.

Jasper
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09-14-2000

Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jasper a private message Print Post    
well they should just make Lee take the reins next week to prove himself. Didn't Dan take the lead role the next week after the first holiday. I imagine that is why George was absent Monday as well. I don't look at it as him forcing his beliefs on them, it is just who he is and I give them credit for respecting it and not bitching about Lee being let off. He'll have to step up at some point and then they will really see what he is made of. Would they have done better with Lee there who knows, I think both jingles were pretty darn good and it was the words, too many, and missing that all important word. Charmaine and the other girl wrote it, I would doubt that Lee would have even been involved in that portion of the task. Bryce seemed to think it was something for the girls to sort out.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
The best thing about this last episode was Trump’s spiel about life not being fair. I used that so many times as my kids were growing up "sweetie life ISN’T always fair...deal with it and move on". I heard my son saying that same expression last summer talking to his friend and LOL.

ITA that Lee needs to step up and be PM next week.

I wonder if Lenny will ever be PM and if so will his team sabotage him since they seem to dislike him....hmmm...I'm betting yes to the sabotage.