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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 11:57 am
If you lived/worked in Santa Ana you would know that assuming many don't speak english is not a wrong assessment, it is a sad fact of life
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 12:15 pm
According to the US Census Bureau, MOST Hispanics nationwide can speak English. DT's assumption may have held some water in Southern CA, but this may vary widely by region. Aimee lives quite close to me, and I don't think most folks here would be apt to make that assumption. On a longer term project I think it would make good business sense for Aimee to research this to try to capitalize on demographic variations. But given the short term context and different regional backgrounds of the candidates, I think it was somewhat unfair to expect Aimee to anticipate a lack of fluency based solely on sight, or specialized knowledge of the area. I can also see why some folks feel that the unqualified, blanket manner in which DT asserted his language assumption presents an skewed view of the Hispanic community, and perpetuates stereotyping that has the potential to be damaging. And not just for Hispanics. For example, if you were to approach Hispanics in a mall in my area in Spanish, some would be offended at the assumption that they are less fluent or comfortable with English than anyone else.
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 12:31 pm
Perhaps they could speak English but decided it was better to pretend ignorance to escape being bothered by the crazy people in the hawaiian shirts. I have this show taped on my PVR, meaning I fast forward thru the commercials. Started the recording at 10, by 10:17 the task was done and it was on to the reward. They just seem to breeze thru the tasks and focus on what, Nicole getting her ankle checked and the pool scene. Frankly I thought Tim was going to pull her head off the way he kept grabbing her head and face while leaning over her, it all seemed staged like he was very very aware of the camera and was looking for the best angle.
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 2:14 pm
Anybody else notice they used the same sound of a woman screaming(first shown in a commercial involving the tents)during the surfing reward?
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 3:29 pm
I did appreciate the Donald substituted the use of behotch for ass this time.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 4:41 pm
Perhaps they could speak English but decided it was better to pretend ignorance to escape being bothered by the crazy people in the hawaiian shirts. You may be correct! If I had that crazy eyed frantic Frank running at me I'd be vaguely shrugging and "no speaky Anglais" too. LOL I don't think that it is at all unreasonable or racist to guess that a number of people in a Hispanic area might have a problem speaking or understanding English or might prefer to communicate in Spanish. . DT assumptions were unreasonable which is was my point. His tone of voice was scathing "you just have to look at them". DT and his son made a number of comments that she just had to "look" to see that they would not speak english. That is a racist comment...that a person is unlikely or unwanting speak english because of the way that look. Considering the hot topic of Illegal immigration and the like, I was surprised that DT would slant a show in such a way. The team had two people with the language skills working with the crowds. The PM was not made aware that two was Not enough. Most websites could be set up with other languages other than English. Surely a solution would ahve been to have a couple of pcs with Spanish translations. Easily done at sites like Babelfish. I have a question. Where did the other team get to work their Kiosk? Same mall?? I dont remember any mention of how they made out with the language barrier. And not just for Hispanics. For example, if you were to approach Hispanics in a mall in my area in Spanish, some would be offended at the assumption that they are less fluent or comfortable with English than anyone else. i know of someone who was taking Mandarin. People were so offended by the pronounciation of the words that she was asked to stop trying when she'd visit the local stores LOL they preferred her english. I understand Mandarin is extremely difficult to speak the correct inflections.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 6:10 pm
Ok, I was watching this online (missed all but about the last 15 minutes last night b/c of TAR), and I had a brilliant idea. I think we should let Arnold Schwarzenegger fill in for DT a few times. I can sooo hear him saying "You're fired" in his terminator voice! He might cut down on some of the shrill arguing over each other the gals seem so fond of as well. 
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 6:11 pm
Oh yes -- and I highly recommend watching it online. Then, when the kissy face started, I just opened up a solitaire game and it covered the screen! LOL
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 6:45 pm
Um, but a Hispanic would say "no hablo Inglés" or "lo siento, no comprendo". I think assuming anything else is offensive. Another thing Aimee's team didn't consider... having the demo in the mall sit at a computer. Whether they speak English or no, they may not understand how to use a computer, or know how to type. Derek's comment about how long it took them to help them fill out the form was a bit irritating to me... they just assumed everyone would sit right down and fill out the form. (And believe me, I watch people every year try to fill out a questionnaire to get a free trip back to the San Diego Fair, and it's with a touch screen, and people STILL cannot figure it out. Technology is something you have to consider. And they didn't.) Jaspar, I noted the time, too. Although the air time was probably only 15 minutes, it was 26 minutes in when they walked into the board room. I don't recall them spending half the show on BR in the past...??? At any rate, Aimee really was an ineffectual leader. Whether she just plain couldn't lead, or she'd lost so much respect from the previous task, she was pretty much doomed from the start. And although, again, the margin of loss was quite small (what? 25 people?) they still lost. Is anyone else tired of the constant yelling coming outta Arrow? Between Frank, James, and Nicole, sometimes I just wanna hold my hands over my ears or mute the TV.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 8:50 pm
Not only would many the hispanic demographic shown on air be slower on the computer (that required typing skills on a laptop keyboard, into english boxes) but in all honesty, how many of these folks had email addresses? Or even knew what Priceline is? 'squeek'
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 8:54 pm
Thank you, Julieboo--I cringed when he said that.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 11:00 pm
Costa: could you please clarify what this comment is in reference to <<Um, but a Hispanic would say "no hablo Inglés" or "lo siento, no comprendo". I think assuming anything else is offensive.>>
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 12:42 am
I think Costa meant nobody hispanic would go into pidgin franglais/fake chines and say "no speaky " anything. I haven't ever had people react badly if I great them with Hola or try to say a few words in Spanish. I suspect no one meant just looking at people, but looking, listening to them talk within their group and then attempting to greet them, would give abundant clues that maybe they needed someone who spoke Spanish. Frankly I'd have been looking at them the same way because so often those promotions in malls ar to capture addresses, phone numbers and email addys.
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 6:42 am
If looks coulda killed when Aimee was leaving, the 2 remaining would have been dead! She turned and looked at the other 2 that she "invited " to the board room. It also appeared that she continued to glare as the car drove off.Her parting words were plain bitter . She was still clueless as to her ineffectiveness. The best departure was the multiple firing when 4or 5 were stuffed in a taxi after the sports fiasco. That was shocking, yet funny at the same time.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 8:25 am
LOL Mara... yeah, that look Aimee threw at the two shoulda knocked 'em dead. And she said something although the mics weren't on her then. Sea is right... Hispanics don't say things like "no speaky" anything. If they do not speak English, they'll say they don't speak it. In Spanish. Direct translations of what I wrote were "I don't speak English" and "I'm sorry, I don't understand." There's a mall here in which you hear many customers asking how much something is, in Spanish. Listening to them talk amongst themselves, you know they are more comfortable in their native language. Most retail folks who work in that mall are bilingual. The fact that the woman who works at the mall TOLD them that 50% of the demo was Hispanic should've triggered a bell... that's a large percentage. And yeah, really, I'd bet some of them don't have email addresses. Their kids, maybe. But the parents? Maybe not. Looks like a double firing next week. Maybe I'll be lucky and two of the loudmouths on Arrow will take that walk of shame! (I doubt we'll ever be treated to the three squished into a single cab, again, although that WAS priceless.)
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 8:58 am
quote:For example, if you were to approach Hispanics in a mall in my area in Spanish, some would be offended at the assumption that they are less fluent or comfortable with English than anyone else.
I live in Northern California...we also have a large hispanic population...Many do not speak English at all, many speak English with a limited vocabulary, and many are bi-lingual. I have never encountered someone who was offended when I spoke to them in Spanish. In fact, they generally smile, correct my Spanish and either reply slowly in Spanish for me or reply in English...generally they are happy that I have tried!
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 9:12 am
Oooh, I'm sure there was a mic on Aimee. I could almost read her lips. It was not safe for TV, that is for sure. Now, any chance she is one of those who comes back for the final task? Won't be manageable if she is on the team with any of her former mates. Definately NOT Trump material. And that kind of action/response makes her business poison for the rest of her career. DUMB. 'squeek'
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 10:21 am
Good thought Kona........... pretty dumb. I rewound to see the dirty look again. Help me here..........what did she appear to say ??????
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 10:31 am
I am Mexican. I grew up in SoCal. My mom does not speak English. She says: Speak Spanish? When someone tries to talk to her in English. Given that Los Angeles has more Mexicans than any Mexican city (the exception being Mexico City), I would think that the loser team would have hired translators or prepared another format for signing people up. I will say this, I frankly don't understand why the producers would have set the loser team (it's how many weeks into the show and I don't know, or care, what the names of the teams are) to lose from the get go. I mean, there are plenty of malls in SoCal that do not have a language issue. The playing field seemed unequal to me. Donald is this big business bigwig, and yet does not even used proper grammar. (ie "You will join Don and I in the boardroom.) I also noticed this and just wanted to scream! As a non-native English speaker it really gets me ticked off when native English speakers make errors like this one.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 12:49 pm
Well, like I always say, you can't buy class. Trump's language is far from classy no matter how you look at it. He may be a Big Man, but I have a lot less respect for him (especially this season) than I did before I saw him in action. Of course, if he showed respect towards others, my opinion of him might change. Were the teams in the same mall or different malls? I must've missed that, but I had the impression they were in the same mall.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 1:20 pm
Oh, I did not pay too close attention! (what a surprise this season) I thought they were at different malls.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 4:58 am
Um, but a Hispanic would say "no hablo Inglés" or "lo siento, no comprendo". I think assuming anything else is offensive. you misinterpret my comment If I had that crazy eyed frantic Frank running at me I'd be vaguely shrugging and "no speaky Anglais" too. LOL excuse me, but that is what is said here and I didnt say that the hispanics would say it, I said that I would say that if approached by frank. Minus the TOO and the sentence is more clear of my meaning. No speaky english is a common saying here-...probably originated due to the pronounciation of the chinese and japanese immigrants from many decades ago. I wasnt making fun of anyone....except maybe Frank LOL to suggest I am racist is really stretching the point and trying to inflame things }when I am here Ranting about DT and HIS comments.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 5:07 am
hey, here is this TVCH page from Babelfish translator. I'd love to know if anyone here can read spanish..and whether the translator is good http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 8:20 am
Babel Fish performs only a literal translation. In many languages, including Spanish and Japanese, you need to take into account context. You can get the gist of an idea using Babel Fish, but I would NOT depend on it to translate anything. There is no replacement for a native speaker.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 9:46 am
In my experience, a Spanish speaker in Southern California more than likely would say, "Speak Spanish?" I lived in L.A. since 1973 and that is all I ever heard.
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