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Serate
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08-21-2001

Monday, February 19, 2007 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Didn't get to watch this tonight - DVR messed up. But being growing up in Iowa, and just moving back, let me say that PLEASE don't think all Iowans are like this. *L* There was a big article in the Des Moines Register today about the show. But not seeing it I can't really comment. I to know they applied to be on some other reality show and pulled out because the families all fought. And the $20,000 will be split evenly between the 4. Paper said what they were thinking of buying, but I read that hours ago and can't remember. *L* I do know that I felt sorry for the CA mom because this was filmed in January and it has been one of the coldest artic snaps Iowa has had in years.

I guess I just came in here to say that this family might live in Iowa but I've never known a family like them in all my life, be it in Iowa, Kansas, Iowa, Kentucky, and now back in Iowa. From what I've read, I think this family must have been dropped off in a crop circle or something. They are not true Iowans. *L*

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, February 19, 2007 - 9:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
more hysterics from the teenage boy. Wild hormones, no friends and parents with an iron grip on every moment of his time. Poor kid- i'd be hysterical too.

That farm guy was unchallenged in my opinion. His ridiculous claim that his hair is growing back made me laugh. If the diet is so healthy, why did his hair drop out to start with? Those people would probably call a bad case of diarrhea/disease only their body purging 'bad thoughts' or something LOL

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, February 19, 2007 - 9:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
oh I hope no one thinks I am painting all Iowa people witht he same brush LOL

I am a farm person myself. Been butchering chickens since I was two. I did the squab (pigeon) because my hands were small enough to get into the evisceration home.

I know taht all farm people arent anything like that strange couple LOL

hurray, now can go watch Heroes LOL

Chieko
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11-20-2003

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 1:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chieko a private message Print Post    
Mad cow disease or vCJD is not associated with raw meat. Mad cow disease is still very much a mystery but high temperatures are not believed to affect the prions thought to cause the disease. Raw and undercooked hamburger is associated with eColi which can be washed from large cuts of meat or killed with high temperatures.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 2:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
What does *L* mean?

Sunshyne4u, I was curious to hear what you'd have to say about the 4 month old raw meat. I've heard of that somewhere before but can't remember where and couldn't find a reference on google. He called it 'high meat.' All I can say is 'what the heck?'

They only started this raw food diet about one year ago so I'm sure his claim is it was the normal food that made his hair fall out and now it's growing back. Maybe he's rubbing some of that fresh chicken poo on his head.

The dad and teenage boy worried me though. Does a raw food diet increase estrogen in men. I don't think I've ever seen two males be so emotional over so little before. It was creepy.

And, I thought dreadlock boy had a lot of nerve commenting on anyone else's appearance.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 2:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
well the beef we eat is often aged for a few weeks...hanging at room temp which allows the bacteria to naturally tenderize itself. High meat would just be aged further to the point that the proteins of the meat were broken down and easier to digest. As the ph (acidity/base) of the meat changes the bacterias which live their will change as well. I did notice that they kept the high meat in the fridge to try and stop the rot at a certain stage.

Bacteria is wonderful for a person...IF it is healthy bacteria.

Obviously this family is happily re-eating their poo bacteria thus keeping their guts in good working order in their opinion. Many animals will eat feces to keep their gut flora in a correct balance.

Mad cow disease or vCJD is not associated with raw meat. Mad cow disease is still very much a mystery but high temperatures are not believed to affect the prions thought to cause the disease.

yes it is. It is absolutely associated with raw meat. In the UK where it showed up in high numbers of humans it was found in locations where rare Brains and sweetbreads were still local delicacies to eat.

in teh southern States there is a problem with the Bacteria being found in squirrel brains and the cases of "Mad cow" in those areas have been linked directly to people who eat that local delicacy.

Here locally there is a cluster of people who have come down with CJD and it seems to have been linked to some sausages. Cooking seems to not have an effect IF a meat sample is loaded with the bacteria/virus or whatever it is. I truly cant remember right now. All I know is we didnt test for it in our Lab. LOL

Does a raw food diet increase estrogen in men. I have deep concerns about the amount of milk, yoghurt those guys were drinking. OH no water?

I would assume that the natural hormones in the milk may be affecting them but more likely is the fact that they are vitamin deficient and that can affect the brain and moodswings.

I would also imagine that such a ridiculous habit of breaking up your sleep would also contribute to depression. Anyone who doesnt sleep well ANY night can tell you how you end up feeling quite hopeless.

ON a final note, can you guys imagine what your mouth would feel like in the morning after being woken up every four hours and given a slimey thick yoghurt drink?

the bacteria on the teeth would just love all that lactose.

Ick.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 3:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
I just rewatched to see her teeth and I got one shot of her gums that was horrible. I didn't catch that the first time. I can only imagine what brushing your teeth with butter would be like.

She said water is a solvent (huh?) and that the body was mostly fat and that's how we keep hydrated. I drink so much water that if it's a solvent my whole body should be dissolved by now.

She said that if you don't eat at least every 5 hours that your body goes into an anorexic state.

I still want to know what the deal is with the 'high meat.' She said that she eats a piece when she gets upset. Does aging it for 4 months turn it into a tranquilizer or something?

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 3:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
butter and CLAY!!!! can you imagine what that does to your enamel after a few years LOL

Solvent is a carrier..and the water in our body carries nutrients. The body is not mostly fat and I truly dont have a clue where that strange woman got her physiology facts from.

She said that if you don't eat at least every 5 hours that your body goes into an anorexic state.

ROTFL Chilli, that is actually correct!! however, it only mimics anorexia (build up of toxins) if you are foolish enough not to drink Water LOL

I have hypoglycemia so I was told that I had to eat every four hours so my body would not respond negatively.

The woman obviously has read some medical facts and got them all mixed up with her own ideas.
SNIP* Mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) was first recognized in 1986 by the British. BSE is unlike most other diseases because a protein created by the host organism, rather than an invasive microbe, causes the disease, according to Madcow.com. The infection is caused when a prion, or infectious, misfolded protein, enters the nervous system of a mammal. From there it catalyzes another protein, turning it into a prion. This results in a chain reaction of the normal protein being converted, or refolded into more disease causing prions. These prions then simply collect and clog the brain's normal functions, killing cells in the process. Currently, there is no known function for the benign protein, which occurs naturally in all mammals.

I am not 100% on soem facts so did a little search.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 3:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
a very interesting read and a good way for us to know what info was given to the new mom and how the show was edited.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/wifeswap/episode/315/manual_haigwood.html

We are very careful to clean each cow teat before milking so that manure, hair or other foreign bodies don't get into the milk.

What is the bedtime routine with the kids?

When I'm finished in the kitchen, I come to the living room to turn off the TV. We don't have cable or satellite TV. We only get 5 channels, so no one really argues when it's time to turn the TV off.

Coconut cream is a staple of our diet,


all I have to say is....those poor kids. Nothing was mentioned about Churches or religion so I cant figure out why the dad would make that bizarre comment about God not putting bad bacteria on the earth to make people sick. Maybe these people have invented their own religion.

Oh well. My rantings have taken up enough of this thread. LOL

oh on a final note, it is very important to allow something to 'die' before eating the meat. I was horrified to see that they butcher a chicken for the raw meat meal that day.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 3:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Just thinking about brushing my teeth in butter was enough for me. I didn't need to add clay to that mix. Although, I do agree with her that most commercial toothpaste is not good for you.

They said she discovered this diet about a year ago and had a woman teaching it to her.

I'm still trying to figure out her eating the 4 month old raw meat (high(?) meat) when she is upset. And, her husband ate it when he got upset at the black mom. Then when I read your post about Mad Cow and it's talking about encephalopathy (disease of the brain) and turning something into 'prions' it made me think of buproprion and antidepressants. So, maybe a bacteria or two that is now in that rotten raw meat is like taking a Wellbutrin. I'm probably wandering all over here but I thought my connections made sense to me. LOL

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 3:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
I've cleaned a lot of chickens in my life so that part didn't bother me much. I did think it was a little over the top to want to kill one in front of those little boys. It was almost like an animal sacrifice on her part to show them where the chickens come from.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 6:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
What does *L* mean?

*L* = laugh

Obviously this family is happily re-eating their poo bacteria thus keeping their guts in good working order in their opinion.

PLEASE tell me this doesn't mean what I think it means?!!! I'm starting to get the idea that I'm glad my DVR messed up!

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 6:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
The people from Iowa were just plain nasty when it came to basic hygiene. In the end both seemed to learn a little from each other.The Iowa home looked a tad cleaner in the final segment on Feng shui.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 6:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Also "dread lock boy" was clearly a grown MAN.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 7:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
I was so mortified and grossed out watching this show last night. The first thought that went in my head is who should be called first - Dept. Health and Human Services, Child Protective Services, or the local D.A.?

I was also upset that the doctor and dietician/nutritionist at the hospital didn't explain about salmonella and E-coli and how they were endangering their health and the health of their children (not that I think they would have "gotten" it). But I still think the doctor and the nutritionist had an obligation to warn them of the dangers of eating raw meat, etc.



Spoton
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09-16-2005

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spoton a private message Print Post    
I've debated whether I should post on this or not - but wth! It's no fun to keep my opinions to myself!!!
I have a different take on these families. In the big picture, I think the Iowa family is a lot closer to living a more natural life than the CA family. Much of what we saw was very uncomfortable to watch (I was squirming at parts, too). But I don't think I can believe that eating processed foods, and foods from restaurants prepared for us by unseen people using unknown methods and ingredients, can be any better for us than raw food.
Now, I'm not ready to gulp down any raw chicken. Or let my meat age for weeks. And fat for toothpaste? Uh - I'd use baking soda and salt, thanks. BUT take away just a couple of the extremes and Nature family may just be more connected to the way we were built to live on this Earth than sterile family.
The social differences are a matter of preference. I didn't think the two little CA boys looks all that happy being towed off to the art classes in their perfect little clothes. But who's to judge which education is more valuable? The little CA boys will probably go through many years of school, learn how to work a successful career, live in large, sterile houses, and forever pretend that animals aren't slaughtered in order for meat to be on their tables. The IA kids will eventually have more outside experiences, probably be socially awkward, may return to The Land to seek their livelihood and kill those chickens when they get hungry. Choices.
I may just be leaning toward the country-folk, if I had to choose.
Oh - and they NEVER said they didn't wash their hands after using the john! The sink was right there beside the toilet - just like my house.

Sheilaree
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07-19-2002

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sheilaree a private message Print Post    
I am glad I didn't watch it.

Grooch
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06-16-2006

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grooch a private message Print Post    
Did the city father ever give his clothes away to charity? I thought that was a stupid thing to demand.

I could see giving a few items away, but his whole wardrobe? All he would do is go out and buy a whole new one which would just result in more consumerism.

Also, that practise drill was stupid.

I missed the part of the toothpaste and the floor licking. Ewww!!!!

When the country father was in the bathroom crying, I was grossed out how dirty the sink and walls looked.

The older son has issues, and I felt really bad for him.

The planting of the garden for the little boys was a nice thing to do. Hopefully, they will keep it up.

Where do they find these people?

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
... also the whole "apocolypse" thing was just off the charts.



Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 10:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
"Dreadlock boy" was not only clearly a MAN, he also did not have dreadlocks. He had a very expensive braided hairdo. I thought he was a very handsome man with excellent taste in style and fashion.

I was also appalled by the notion of him giving away his designer clothes. Those were the tools of his trade.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Where do they find these people?


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Barb Haigwood, 37, frequently watches "Wife Swap," but she and her family only recently applied to the show when the producers put out the call for some raw foodists.

Producers almost immediately set up a screen test and sent a camera person to the 320-acre farm where the Haigwoods live. The family they exchange with, the Hess-Webbs, had to wait a year to be selected.

"Wife Swap" asks two wives leading dramatically different lives to exchange roles for two weeks. The wives must first follow the host family's rules, and then enforce their own.

Mike, 39, and Barb discussed with their two children, Aleesha, 13, and Lee, 16, whether they wanted to do the show.

"It was back and forth: 'Yeah, we should. No, we shouldn't,' " Barb said.

The family doubted they'd make the cut, Lee said. Turns out they were underestimating how unusual their lifestyle seemed from the producers' perspective.


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Several years ago, the Haigwoods applied to "Frontier House," a public television show that documented several families trying to live as pioneers in Montana.

Daughter Aleesha said they were glad they didn't get on the show, once they watched it. "It was mostly feuds between families," she said.

When the family realized "Wife Swap" was going to film them, they wondered what they'd gotten themselves into.

The family had to complete miles of paperwork, and Mike and Barb were subjected to 580-question psychological exams.


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For the whole article:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007702190323

Serate
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08-21-2001

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
When the family realized "Wife Swap" was going to film them, they wondered what they'd gotten themselves into.

Didn't watch the show - and I'm not sure if I'm happy or upset that the TIVO didn't work - but if the mom was a regular watcher of Wife Swap then SHE knew what they had gotten themselves into.

Grooch
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06-16-2006

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grooch a private message Print Post    
Exactly, Serate. (oh, and thanks for the article.)

It's the same thing every week, w/ the usual arguing about not following the rules.

I wonder how much they get paid for doing it.

Laneesmom
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05-12-2005

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 12:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Laneesmom a private message Print Post    
Oh man......I'm from Iowa.......BAD representation there.....this is not typical Iowa.......LOL. :-)

Grooch
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06-16-2006

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grooch a private message Print Post    
Ok, I just read the whole article. Each family gets $20,000.00