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Survivoraddict
Member
09-02-2005
| Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 7:15 pm
Is it my imagination or was the military mom on Starting Over - Season 2??? I swear she was on that show!!
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 11:06 pm
I saw just parts of either Wife Swap or Trading Spouses which had a family of health and exercise fanatics changing with a family of dwarfs, and the little woman was feeding candy to the exercise children and trying to get them to have some fun and she torn down some nearly-naked photos of the wife. Which show was that and is it all over with?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, January 19, 2007 - 1:14 am
that was wifeswap which doesnt swap money...just wives. ha ha
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Gumby
Member
08-14-2004
| Friday, January 19, 2007 - 1:53 pm
Margaret, the "God Warrior" is on tonight's show.
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Suz
Member
10-13-2005
| Friday, January 19, 2007 - 4:27 pm
I'm going to watch it, but don't know how long I'll be able to keep watching. The "Warrior" was so out there on the last show she was on.....I guess that's why they are having her on again. Have they ever had a repeat person before?
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, January 19, 2007 - 5:09 pm
counting the minutes.......
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Friday, January 19, 2007 - 8:12 pm
It is good to see that the "God warrior" has been reformed. The black couple has issues.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Friday, January 19, 2007 - 8:21 pm
Wow, I was pleasantly surprised by God Warrior tonight.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, January 19, 2007 - 8:40 pm
Survivoraddict.....I don't think that military wife was on Starting Over. The military wife's name is Stella (Family Bio). I can see she bears a resemblance to either Candy (the prison guard) or maybe Karen (the costume designer). Can't link to their pics cause the SO site is gone.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, January 19, 2007 - 9:07 pm
Could this be the warrior's redemption?
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, January 19, 2007 - 9:11 pm
I hope not, I am looking forward to her being the same crzy lady she was before...wont be any fun watching her be normal!
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, January 19, 2007 - 9:17 pm
I think the other family will be the "god warrior" of this episode.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, January 19, 2007 - 9:21 pm
Yeah, now the God Warrior is, dare I say, "normal"?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:39 am
was I the only one disappointed by tonight's show? It was just too awkward watching the Perrin family basking in their 'celebrity' again. God Warrior is not going to show her face unless faced with the Occult. You watch what happens if that "black power" guy tries to get her to do voodoo or something. Then she'll pop. Am I the only one who could see a twinkle of amusement in Bassi (sp?) when he was going on and on about White people to Marg? His wife sure knew who the 'god warrior' was so I would presume this man was trying to push Marg's buttons. Reverse Racism is just as bad as ANY racism in my opinion. However, did you notice how in the blurb for next week, marg's daughter calls her new mom "Miss Latoya" That screamed racist to me. For some reason It reminded me of things I'd read about Black slaves being called Mr Bob and Miss Sarah etc.....like they had no real last name. It jsut seemed demeaning to me....but maybe it was the tone of voice used when saying "miss latoya". kinda condescending...like that friend of mom's who wanted people to get back to work in Wendys or Macdonalds.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 1:02 am
The show just got started here so I haven't seen the preview for next week yet. I can tell you though that the Miss First Name and Mr. First Name is just a regional typee thing. It has nothing to do with race and is meant respectfully, not demeaning in any way. At least that's my experience. When I lived in south Georgia people, especially older men, called me Miss First Name or Mrs. His First Name all the time. I don't recall them hardly ever using my last name. The common perception there was that you never ever call someone straight out by their first name unless specifically asked to do so as that would be presumptive and rude. This black man has extreme issues that are not pretty. If she had a tummy staple, I think they stapled the wrong end. She does look a little smaller on top though. I hope this time they delegate money to fix her teeth.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 3:31 am
"Hurricane Katrina was used as a weapon of mass destruction against black people by the U.S. government." Can we spell delusional here? "If you were black for a week, you'd kill yourself." This family has some extreme issues. They want their own African community in America (no problem), they want it to be only black and have everyone leave them alone but they want to be equals too. To me that reeks of have your cake and eat it too. I think these people are the most racist people I've ever seen. The sad part for me is that Shach is such a beautiful little girl and they are ruining her outlook on life. Even though I agree with a lot of what the friends of God Warrior said, I really dislike the blond woman. I do not understand the mentality that it is better to not work then to work at a low paying job until something else comes along.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:02 am
I dont know why they put her with this family, she never appeared to be a 'white power' type person. the show usually picks opposites so to me this isnt a good match up. I think that brunch was way edited, the reactions didnt seem to go with the flow of the conversation. Blonde lady was a biddy last time and she hasnt changed. How long since her surgery?? I woulda thought she would have lost way more than 70lbs...my friend who isnt even close to her size lost over 100 in less than 6 mo. She said they had a maid growing up , that surprised me for some reason.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:40 am
Chiliwilli, I didn't take it that they wouldn't/didn't take those jobs. I took it as how are people expected to survive on $7 or $8 an hour (before tax) and be able to live on it, and at the same time to save enough money to be able to move back to New Orleans.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:47 am
I found the attitude of those women apalling. For them to say that in a year the victims of Katrina should be back to where they were? They lost a LIFETIME of possessions, their homes, their clothes, all their stuff; and many of them were not insured or were stiffed by the insurance companies. Then they had to find temporary housing (which in many cases is more expensive than their homes), replace their clothes, new jobs, and all in different cities. $7 or $8 an hour (and until the minimum wage increase, you couldn't get that for flipping burgers anyway) amounts to $14,000 to $16,000 a year. That's FAR below poverty level. Those women sitting around at their nice cozy brunch have no idea....
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:26 pm
It's disturbing to me that some people try to make Katrina a completely racial thing, although I do believe that if a more affluent area was as devastated fema might have acted quicker and with more thought. Because of the power that affluence brings not specifically to race. The black family sounds just like the white separatists that want their own white state separate from the rest. Their daughter, even at her young age seemed embarrassed by her fathers rants. She seemed very content playing with the warrior. Did black mom ever answer the question about if she worked outside the home? All I got was that they worked for some organization, that I assume is preaching the separatists agenda? We saw her on the phone asking for money to pay bills that were due? I hope that through this ordeal attitudes of the black family soften. It says a lot when the God Warrior is the reasonable one.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:43 pm
I thought I remembered that mom as saying they both worked 2 or 3 jobs or something to make ends meet.... I don't find the God Warrior lady reasonable at all. I find her not at all willing to understand the life and circumstances of her host family. She complains that the swap is for them to learn more about each other, but I've missed her attempts to understand her temporary husband's view of the world. If she did try to understand, he wouldn't be so frustrated and would be more willing to listen also. It takes two strongly willed people to reach the impasse they've reached.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:50 pm
The black woman's rant about African Americans receiving reparations just flat out turned me against her. She was not a slave. Her parents were not slaves. Why should she get a hand-out from the government? Oprah is sooooo right...
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:55 pm
I am guessing the black power dad didn't give her much of a chance to understand his life. He seems like all he does is talk talk talk. He also seems somewhat unreasonable in that his talk show does not have white people on it. Seems closed minded on his part...
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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 4:49 pm
In spite of myself, I watched this. I had found the God Warrior so repulsive that I didn't think I could stomach her again. But then I saw who they paired her with and thought, "Man, maybe she has met her match!" I did watch the whole thing. IMO, Abasi made very good points about gentrification, and I also think the charge of racism with respect to how Katrina was handled should not be surprising to anyone. I certainly don't agree with the black family's desire to segregate the African Americans into an enclave for only African Americans, but I do understand why they would want their environment to mirror who they are (i.e, shop in shops owned and operated by blacks; want black teachers, etc.). The problem with these two is that neither was willing to really listen and think about what the other was saying. Abasi simply lectures. He has no real desire to win over or educate the God Warrior about his life or his perspective on the world/his community. He is not invested in this swap as an opportunity to have a real exchange. It's of no consequence to him if he opens her eyes to anything or not. I have to commend the God Warrior for keeping her mouth shut during Abasi's rants (shocked me that she was capable of doing that), but I do not commend her for keeping her MIND shut. The God Warrior said she 'never really thought about' some of the issues Abasi mentioned. And her remark about singing and dancing and being happy with a turkey gizzard (if she were born black) was beyond belief to me. She didn't seem to realize how demeaning and racist that was. She's just not very intelligent--but that should be no surprise to anyone who watched the previous show. I like the idea of building bridges between people of different ideologies--which this show COULD BE. Only problem is, the players have to be capable of opening their minds. (I think the previous show was a good case in point--the 'swapped wife' who stayed with the French family actually came away with a new outlook.) I think the black wife was much steadier than Abasi or the God Warrior. But I got the impression she was trying to shock the group of white women at brunch and that she enjoyed seeing them squirm a bit. Oh, about that 'Miss LaToya' salutation--I agree with Chilliwilli. In the City of Wilmington, I had black neighbors whose lovely children always referred to me as 'Miss Dale.' I was shocked when I first heard that because it struck me that by saying that, the children were putting themselves in a subservient position. Made me very uncomfortable. In time, though, when I heard them addressing every adult woman (black or white) in the same way, I gathered it was simply a salutation of respect--that they had been taught to say by their mother. And yes, it was clear that they believed that just calling me 'Dale' was out of the question and that saying 'Mrs. Swift' (as I was accustomed to hearing) instead was just not their custom. I hope minds expand here, but have little hope that happens in this case. Hope I'm wrong!
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 5:53 pm
I promised myself last night when I was watching this that I would not get upset at the posts on the this board when Katrina became an issue last night on the show (because I just knew I would get upset at some posts). As a Katrina survivor, I have to speak my mind on this subject. Whoever made the comment about FEMA not assisting because its a racial thing is in err. A surprising fact for most people that have never been to the New Orleans area post-Katrina do not know is that more white people lost their homes in Katrina than blacks. St. Bernard Parish (a county to the rest of the country) was 100% devastated and it had a white population of 98%. St. Bernard Parish was under 16-20 feet of water, while the Lower 9th Ward (which is a very small section of New Orleans only had about 8 feet of water). Plaquemines Parish lost about 40% of the entire Parish. And Orleans Parish -- try 80% of New Orleans was flooded (over 50 neighborhoods/subdivisions - and the Lower 9th was only one small concentrated area). All that water you saw on TV which had made its way downtown to the Superdome did not come from the Industrial Canal breach at the Lower 9th, it came from the 17th Street Canal which destroyed over 5,000 homes in Lakeview, a couple of thousand homes in Mid-City, a couple of thousand homes in the Uptown/Carrollton area, etc. etc. There were breaches everywhere - the Lower 9th just suffered from one breach. I probably have 100 friends from Lakeview/Lakeview South and St. Bernard Parish that lost everything except the 3 days worth of clothes they evacuated with and I can promise you - they are not getting any help from anyone. So to say the lack of response from FEMA is a black thing is very wrong because none of my friends are getting any help from anyone. Karuuna... let me tell you what employers are paying in post-Katrina New Orleans. McDonald's, Burger King, Popeyes are all paying $10 per hour plus a $6,000.00 a year bonus to get workers. That amounts to $25,000 a year before overtime. Some restaurants are paying $15.00 an hour plus tips just to get waiters/waitresses. Before Katrina, they probably made less than $5.00 an hour plus tips. Every business in this city has had to fork up the money to get new employees or keep the ones they have. I'm in the legal field and I can tell you we are dying for employees. Every law firm in this city is dying for staff to fill all positions. Most positions in the legal field now pay between $5,000.00-$10,000.00 more than they did post-Katrina (including file clerk positions). I know of two firms that brought back employees they laid-off before Katrina and are paying them almost $7,500.00 more a year than they were making pre-Katrina. So if someone can't find a job in post-Katrina New Orleans making $5,000.00-$10,000.00 more than they were making pre-Katrina... they aren't looking for a job. And I will make this offer to anyone in here... if anyone comes to New Orleans, I will be more than happy to take them on a Devastation Tour and I will show you some of the worst incredible destruction you have ever seen - and we will never step foot in the Lower 9th Ward. The last time I took someone from out of town on a tour, we were out for 6 hours touring, never went to the Lower 9th Ward, and barely saw 1/10 of the devastation - and this man had tears in his eyes because he didn't realize the extent of the devastation because the news only talks about the Lower 9th Ward, which is only one small section of New Orleans (and I can tell you this man practically had tears in his eyes because he couldn't believe what I was showing him.)
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