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Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 6:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Jeffrey Sebelia: “I wanted people to hate me”
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well, he succeeded with me ...

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Y'know, I noticed that Huk. I was wondering the same thing. I absolutely hated the music playing during Jeffrey's segment, thought it perked up a bit during Uli's, and then was kinda out there during Michael's. I don't remember Laura's music. But it seemed to me as if the music was too "toned down" for a fashion show. And the models kinda seemed to reflect it. Almost somber, like a funeral procession.

Trueheart, I'm not sure what you meant exactly, but your comment about "adult behavior" here is almost offensive.

Lady, LOL. He sure succeeded with me. I thought his attitude was distasteful, and I was offended at the constant cursing during his confessionals (and since he's speaking to a camera then, no, you cannot say you didn't know it would be filmed, yes?).

And I'm confused... "what we saw was him" but yet "his personality was an intentional persona"? Um, either it's real or it's fake. Y'can't have it both ways.

I still think the man acts rude and arrogant. And, unfortunately, winning this show just reinforces his "awesomeness" in his own mind.

Trueheart
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09-12-2006

Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 7:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trueheart a private message Print Post    
Trueheart, I'm not sure what you meant exactly, but your comment about "adult behavior" here is almost offensive.

What??? I'm very sorry if I worded that wrong.

What I meant was that on other boards the people who don't like Jeffrey will trash EVERYTHING about him. His skill, design, collection. I thought the people here at TVCH were very mature about it.(I said 'adult' but mature is what I meant)

Many members here don't necessarily LIKE Jeffrey but they will give him credit for certain things:

i.e. The adorable zipper dress catches the eye in the way that his cute couture dress did in Paris ..

I'm glad that people HERE are able to look past their dislike of his personality and still recognize that he has talent and skill. At other boards they just refuse to give him any credit AT ALL. So I was comparing TVCH to other forums. Maybe I shouldn't have. I just think that people are more mature here.

I'm very sorry costa that I didn't articulate my thoughts well! I meant it as a compliment!

p.s. I hope that this post came out right and you understand what I am trying to say. If not (LOL) I'm a lost cause!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 7:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I knew you meant it as a compliment and I agree...that is what makes this the best place!

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 7:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
If I remember correctly, the DESIGNERS themselves choose the music. Seems to me one of the past presenters wrote his own music for it (though I can't remember who at the moment). Laura's music was kinda' 20's-30s rag music at one point -- which fit w/ one of her flapper-like shorter dresses w/the fringe. I'll do a bit more digging and see if I can confirm my suspicions.

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
Jeffrey took this final challenge and really sold it. It was a "collection" that flowed from one piece to the next (nothing disjointed) and various outfits throughout a range of styles.

Personally wouldn't wear most things that these guys have created (mostly because I'm not 5'10" and 120#) but I think he deserved the win.

'squeek'

Trueheart
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09-12-2006

Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trueheart a private message Print Post    
As much as I Jeffrey, I forgot to add before that I LOATHED his music choice!! UGH!! What was he thinking? It was soooo slow. I personally like the more upbeat techno sound on the catwalk! LOL I liked Michael's runway music the best.

Ok I'm not sure if anyone watches Top Chef here, (I'm just watching premiere now) but I thought it was sooo FUNNY when they were doing the 'back and forth' comments from Laura and Jeffrey in their confessional (what is it called on PR?). I LMAO when Jeffrey said:

"Try having some kids, and not have a rich husband. You might be stuck in a minivan with sweatpants."

LMAO again!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 10:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I've watched that ep of Top Chef twice but I'm so used to fast forwarding thru commercials that I totally missed the snarky comments! Dang!

And I'm with you, Ladyt.. that interview made me dislike him more.

I think I predicted that if he won, he'd be way too full of himself.. yup.

I did like a couple of his outfits but disliked more.. I thought Laura and Uli presented really great collections.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 10:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Oh and no matter what LAURA did, it still seems to me that he'd have been penalized in some way for going over budget.. however TPTB might have missed that he didn't account for the outsourced pleating.. interesting that he neglected to provide a receipt for that and considering what Laura pointed out about him having employees like that for his regular collection, it is almost like when someone runs for office and just cannot resist using employees as part of their campaign. I remember it happening when I worked for the county. And when I worked for Transamerica they strongly wanted people to make phone calls and such in favor or against certain propositions, with the insurance company point of view.

Sadiesmom
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03-13-2002

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 12:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sadiesmom a private message Print Post    
Tell me if I am wrong, but didn't Jay Carroll turn down the mentorship and I think the money was tied to it. I remember something about season one and the winner refusing the prize.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 2:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Did anyone else notice how badly some of the models walked???

Jeffrey, thanks for discounting her position as an architect! yep..she only has a rich husband.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 4:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    

quote:

Personally wouldn't wear most things that these guys have created (mostly because I'm not 5'10" and 120#)...




Good heavens! If you were 5'10" and 120#, you would be way too fat for the runway!

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 5:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
You're right, Who. Pffft, 5' 10" and 120# is an absolute cow!



<---wishes she could be either 5' 10" OR 120#!

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 5:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
<------agrees with Huk, and wishes same for Huk and self!

Aussiedeb
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07-05-2004

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 5:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aussiedeb a private message Print Post    
I rooted for Jeffrey from the very first show. Something about him just drew me to him. I am so happy he won. Laura was just jealous that he had everything completed. She had to make her collection amidst all her kids. He was able to go to his workroom space with no distraction.

I think Laura's husband looks like a mad professor or something. <100>

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 6:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
Teach, it was Santino that did his own music. Wrote it and performed it.
When Jay turned down the mentorship, the $100,000 was from Banana Republic, which would have been the mentor. Jay is just not the BR type.

Cokegirl
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03-08-2004

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 7:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cokegirl a private message Print Post    
I've decided that from now on I'm going to pick the person I like the least to win from all reality shows because that just seems to keep happening over and over. I still say congrats to Jeffery for winning.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
Anyone know where we can see photos of all the piecies?? I saw one that I fell in love with but don't remember who made it lol.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
http://www.bravotv.com/Project_Runway/

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yankee_in_ca a private message Print Post    
ARGH ARGH ARGH why hasn't iTunes put up the finale yet???

Since I am in Canada and we're behind by half a season, I have been buying the shows and watching all season the day after, on iTunes. And as of right now, they still haven't put the finale up.

ARGH ARGH ARGH

Beth4freedom
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10-24-2003

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beth4freedom a private message Print Post    
Question:
It looks like I won't be near cable TV again until the weekend of the 28th...am I still going to be able to catch the finale of Project Runway at sometime, or will I be too late? (I can't view episodes online, even if that were an option.) Would hate to miss the finale after watching all season, but work is interfering!
Thanks for any help/info!~Beth

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 2:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Wasn't it Spain who said models had to be at least 125 lbs? I find it interesting that I'm 5'10 and weight 127 lbs, and would be considered to heavy by y'all.

I noticed how awkward some of those models walked, and some of it I attributed to the music. I've done runway before, and the beat of the music really helps when you strut down that thing. I also don't think most of the models were super models. Not yet.

Project Runway oughta sync up with ANTM and see if some of models there could do finale. (Of course, it's possible that they really had a large pool of models from which to pick anyways... there were more designers and more models at the beginning. I didn't notice if any of the models were ones who'd been kicked off cause their designers were auf'd.)

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
great interview with Tim Gunn
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It's a really long article so I have taken the liberty to cut and paste the things that seemed interesting to me! LOL.....

have to tell you who I adored in this whole process, that was [guest judge] Fern Mallis. She is the ne plus ultra of fashion people, she created Seventh on Sixth, she used to run the Council of Fashion Designers of America and she looks at fashion shows all over the world. And I will say she was blown away by the presentations of all four of them and we heard her say how disappointed she was in Michael’s collection.

She really leaped to a position of championing Laura and Uli in the face of some antipathy from Heidi, Nina and Michael, having to do with how narrow their scope is. And Fern said, [as for] Laura, there are a lot of rich ladies around in a lot of zip codes and they buy clothes. And I can see them buying these clothes. And they’re superbly conceived of and superbly executed. And with Uli, she said, you cannot trivialize the resort market. It’s enormous. It was great to have her there as another point of view.

There was a lot of debate, it wasn’t a matter of, ‘OK, it’s Jeffrey, let’s all leave and have a cocktail


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Is there a very detailed list presented to the finalists about what kind of outside help they can get and what they sort of help they can’t get, is that very explicitly explained?

Yes, and in terms of what Jeffrey did send out, it was completely within the rules. It’s just that we were missing a receipt, as we saw. He’s a great designer, but as I said to him, ‘Jeffrey, I hope you have a great business partner.’ Because when it comes to keeping good records and the details that a business requires, like in our case, the $8,000 worth receipts [that contestants needed to present], I said, ‘You’re well intentioned, but you’re sloppy.’ Everyone else had basically a spread sheet, where every item was in there and it was totaled and it was so easy to review it.

In Jeffrey’s case, it was a manila envelope, it was a bunch of loose receipts. Every route we went down with him, you just found more sloppiness. But it’s not unusual with fashion designers. It happens here with my students. I say, ‘Just don’t think that you can handle the books when you get out of here, because you can’t.’

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So, for me, that statement from Laura [about Jeffrey’s final collection], I dismissed it right away. You can’t say because of what you saw in the workroom [at Parsons] that that’s the level of execution he would have given more time. It’s not.

We edited it out because it was so tedious but he and I went through those pieces together and I was completely confident that he had executed them.

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I was glad to get it out of the way during those days leading up to our show. As uncomfortable as it was and as distracting as it was, and as agonizing as it was emotionally for a lot of us, it needed to happen. And when we talked out on the terrace, Laura said, ‘I don’t want this to come out later and seem like sour grapes. I don’t want to say on Saturday morning, “I don’t think he did that collection.”’

We were just very direct with him, and I was particularly direct. He needed that talk. We said, ‘Do you realize how serious this is? Do you realize what the consequences of this could be? Do you realize what we’re going through because of your sloppiness? You’ve created all this, we didn’t inflict this on you. You did this yourself.’

And he looked at us, and on the whole topic of whether he had not done some of the work, he just looked at me, with the most sincere puppy dog eyes, ‘Why would I do this to my son? Why would I jeopardize in this show, my position in the fashion community? Why would I do this to my son?’

He just struck a powerful chord in me and I just said, ‘My God, why would you
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Well, the only real diva this season is … Vincent. And he’s only a diva in that he loves himself so much. It’s like, thank God you do
Now… explain Vincent to me.

I wish I could. I’d need to go to medical school, I’d need to go to psychiatry school. You know, for the life of me, I can’t. He for me is an enigma. I don’t get him.
And the reunion show, the EW.com interview [that Vincent did, talking trash about his fellow designers], he said when Heidi asked him about it, he said, ‘I wasn’t talking about these guys.’ And I said, ‘You weren’t talking about these guys? When you said ‘they,’ who did you mean? He kind of gave me that ‘Shut up, Tim’ face. The designers were asked to respond, and they said they found it insulting.

And he said, ‘I look at it as you people (in his condescending way) are in the mainstream, and I’m out ahead. And great fashion is ahead of its time. Of course that’s [crap]. Fashion is of a time and a place and a context. And the place is now. And that’s the challenge, otherwise it’s, in a very patronizing way, saying to anyone looking at your fashion collection, ‘You wouldn’t understand it, it’s ahead of it’s time.’

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Then there’s Keith. Prior to that horrible behavior at the reunion, I even felt the same way about Keith. [I thought], ‘He did a foolish thing, it was ill-advised, he didn’t need those books [which led to his dismissal], I don’t even believe he used them.’ But he was desperate for a lifeline and those books were a security blanket. I just felt, he’s a good designer, I don’t think he’s a bad guy, I thought, ‘Jeez, am I adjusting my antenna.
Not to belabor the Keith thing, but he now says the books were taken from him then given back. Could that have happened? Does that have any credibility with you?

Absolutely not. I said to him, ‘You are an extremely excellent designer. You are a great personality. Why would we set you up, why would we sabotage you to get you off this show?’ Furthermore, the producers have the highest level of integrity and seriousness of purpose. They only want this to be an excellent show, they don’t want any tease and sleaze. We simply don’t do this kind of thing. We simply don’t do it. Unless it was some other kind of conspiracy, perpetrated by some other people, it was not our producers.

What was interesting to me was that in the interview he gave to Andy Cohen just after he was kicked off, he never brought up this idea of the books being taken then returned. Why not mention it then?

As I said to him, maybe inappropriately, what, did it take him three months to concoct that story? The trouble is, he really believes it. Is it a case of telling it over and over and now it’s become reality for him?

Also, had that been the case, wouldn’t he have said something to me when I sat down on the floor with him at the Atlas apartment and told him he had to leave? He could have said, ‘Tim, you need to know something, those books were taken away and then brought back.’ And I would have said, ‘What?' And it would have all been on camera. But that didn’t happen.

He said to me at the reunion show, ‘You’ve called me a liar and a cheater and said that I rolled over like a puppy.’ And I said, ‘Wait a minute, I have never called you a liar, I have never called you a cheater’ – and I wanted to say, ‘But I’d like to call you a liar now.’ But I’ve never called him a cheater and I don’t believe he did cheat. And I did say he rolled over like a puppy, and it was about when I confronted him, I expected an argument and he simply said, ‘OK.’
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Jay finally showed at fashion week.

What did you think of his collection?


Well, he was taking risks. I felt some of the things were pretty flat, but that’s OK. He just needs to keep doing it. I saw him last night and he said he is carrying on with this. He just needs to keep pushing it. I respect his position that he’s been out of the fashion spotlight for a while because he needed to take his time. At the same time, doing it every season is part of the challenge of the fashion industry. You can’t just not do it some seasons

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It's really a great article! thanks for allowing my editorial edits!

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
Costa, I don't really think you'd be too big for the runway. I was just being sarcastic on how the fashion industry seems to be.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, October 20, 2006 - 4:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
That is a great article.. be sure to go read the whole thing!!

LOL.. so happy to read that Tim agreed with me that it was a huge benefit to Jeffrey that he had to lose those wigs.. he says no one liked them except Jeffry.

And of course he stresses that Jeffrey caused this himself by not having a more detailed accounting of how he spent the money.