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Trueheart
Member
09-12-2006
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 1:10 am
I was disgusted by EVERYONE'S attitude towards the newcomers on the show!!! But I must say that I was more surprised by the trainers' reactions to the newbies than the players. When Bob got all mad because the new team didn't "finish" the their task, I was ALL fired up!! GIVE ME A BREAK BOB!!! THEY'RE NEW! I'm sure the other players didn't automatically finish their challenge when they FIRST got to the ranch. No, they wanted to quit at stuff but Bob and Kim told them "You need to push through it and finish the task". Jaron and Adrian are BRAND NEW to the ranch lifestyle yet the trainers aren't treating them that way. Where is Bob and Kim's COMPASSION? I didn't not see ONE welcoming bone in their bodies which is VERY unprofessional!! UGH! I just thought that they were sooooo rude! The other players are mean enough as it is! I thought that the trainers would at least be mature enough to recognize that the newbies deserved to be there, but they hardly even congratulated them on their home progress and they were not nearly hospitable in helping the newbies to adjust. I'm sure they could see that the group was excluding them! Yet Bob and Kim barely made any attempts to warm up to them and bond! I was so outraged by their childish behavior, I almost turned the show off! Jaron and Adrion were really treated terribly and I am sorry for them!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 2:33 am
I agree with you guys about the trainers. I was really surprised at what i saw. My tv guide didnt show the first hour so I missed it...but I did get a chance to see both trainers harrassing the new folks. these people lost as much if not more than the people on the show. I feel this shook the trainers confidence and made them feel like their worth might be questioned. Sorry folks, I aint feeling Bob this season. He seems edgey and just not as supportive. His 'attack' on Bobby was unfair, in my opinion. yes the guy quits on every diet there is BUT he has a thin wife and kids that he misses terribly. that emotional emptiness was what made him want to give up...guess Bob doesnt have a family that he is away from for all those weeks. Neither trainer LIVES there do they? they get to go home each night. Sooooooo Heather is playing the game eh? wish everyone didnt make such a fuss about Eric's 20 lb loss. It meant nothing. he gained weight last week and we all know that it was just because he had drunk lots of water and ate. I'd suggest his true weight loss was only 10-12 lbs this week. The guys better wake up and start counting. The girls are going to try and pick off the guys. I am thinking that the predictability of other seasons has been changed by the addition of the two new people. However, I can see the newbies wanting to get rid of the threats. I'd laugh if the new guy Won it all.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 2:48 am
I agree that the trainers were less than gracious, but it also seemed that the newbies were less than eager to fit in or listen and especially Bob was concerned that while the guy had lost weight he'd done it by setting himself up on a diet that he won't be able to maintain on a long term basis AND they both seemed to have relied mostly on diet and cardio but not on strength training, meaning they were losing muscle mass, or not gaining it. And the trainers believe strongly in their methods. As for them quitting the task, they were of course given the most difficult of the four tasks, with all those little bricks and I really don't blame them too much for quitting but I think I'd have wanted to gain respect by trying to finish. As for the woman vs man thing.. since they include some very large guys who seem to be at the outer limit for this timeframe and level of workouts, if they ever did include a woman who was THAT heavy, unless she was REALLY tall/large, she simply couldn't do the workouts, or it would be too dangerous. I completely agree with anyone suggesting that they just have a male and a female winner. I still like this show but it has lost the biggest appeal it originally had for me as there is more and more game playing and less and less friendship/camaraderie involved. Just as what happens in Survivor and other reality shows after a few seasons, people start figuring out tricks and manipulations and in this show it has now become advantageous to purposely gain weight at times. And also the producers have introduced more ways for the tricky or lucky to be saved so fewer of the really pure players make it through. That pass that Kai won is one example, and more and more of having someone win the right to set up a challenge in a way that hurts selected people. What I still like is that in general most of the people really benefit and continue to work out and lose weight (there have always been a couple of exceptions where you'll see them say.. so and so is down 14 pounds.. clearly not a huge success considering the starting weights. I think perhaps this also explains the reaction of the trainers to these wild card people coming in because they haven't worked with a similar solid program and if one of them wins by mostly diet/not building up muscle, that is probably not a long term solution. And again, agree the behavior was less than pretty, but this season this is a sneaky surprise on the part of the producers and while it is interesting for us, and "fair" to those who get to come in late, it certainly doesn't seem that way to the ones who have been away from job/family all this time. Kind of like when they brought people back who had been voted out on Survivor, or on Big Brother. It is more outrage at the production of the show that is projected on to the individuals getting that special chance/second chance.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 2:54 am
I only saw the last 15 minutes as the recorded vhs is in my room where someone is snoozing and will be crabby if I wake them up to get it. The trainers were mean, huh? I'm absolutely rooting for a new guy. I am so disgusted with those people. There is no way Eric lost 20 lbs. this week. I guess I can't blame Heather for gaining weight as a strategy to get someone else out but I wish they had voted for her instead of Bob. They would always have Bob next week. Oh, well. It's all individual now so there won't be any more phony weight gain.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 6:33 am
well I had real life interrupt my tv again - thanks for the updates!! I will say that once again the guy that gets sent home, and continues the path - LOOKS amazingly DIFFERENT!! Very sweet update on Bobby - and I understand the quitter, but I couldnt blame him with all that "game" play, and when Bob got in his(was it Eric?) face, I knew it was over for Bobby...
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Laneesmom
Member
05-12-2005
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 9:41 am
The one problem I have always had with the show...is i think the person who loses least should just go.....i like it being about weight loss and NOT games.
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 11:08 am
I was really upset as well by the way the trainers reacted. They should have understood that the new people would have a hard time switching from something that had been working for them to something that they were unsure of, especially in that atmosphere. Nobody was truly reassuring or welcoming to them, and they must have known that if they screwed up even a little, they would be gone. Everyone's atitude sucked on this episode, but at least I could understand how alienated, unwelcome, and stressed the two newcomers must have felt. What was the trainers' and the other contestants excuses? Oh, and Kai's crocodile tears at the elimination did not impress me one bit. I cannot stand her or Heather, and they do NOT deserve to win by "gameplaying" when neither of them has really been putting forth 100% effort.
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 11:56 am
Erik, Wylie, or Marty winning will be great. I would rather either of the newbies win b/4 Heather or Kai.
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 3:44 pm
How exactly does one lose 20lbs in one week!!!!
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 4:51 pm
One loses 20lbs in one week by drinking enough water to negate any weight loss that would have shown up the week before plus add 3 additional lbs. Then the next week, his weight loss from the week before plus this weeks weight loss plus the 3 misleading water lbs. would add up to a falsely large number. Or at least that's about what I'm guessing.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 5:48 pm
It was an ugly show, no doubt. I especially hated when the female trainer inferred that the new girl lost the amount of weight quicker than the others because she's young. That just negated all the hard work she did.
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 7:11 pm
Oh, yeah. I forgot about that part where Kim made it seem like the new girl had only lost because she's young and she quit drinking. Helloooo, way to make someone feel welcome, Kim. I always belittle people shortly after I meet them, it does wonders for my relationships.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 11:06 pm
I didn't get the impression she was belittling it so much as trying to figure it all out. I thought it was smart of Kim to get them all together for a powwow and discuss the newbies' results and how she got there. For one thing Kim needed to know what she'd been doing to figure out what training she needed and the oldies(?) needed to know what they had been doing wasn't wrong. Being younger does make a difference and quiting drinking is huge for weight loss; especially since she seemed to drink beer. I totally understand the girl newbie being terrified of changing what was working. I would be too. I was glad she was open to change though because even though what she was doing was still working your body does adjust and if you don't change it up you will stop losing. The competitors were just plain nasty. I don't want any of them to win and if those guys don't open their eyes and see what those girls are doing they will lose. I know we didn't see everything (editing) but I thought Kim handled the newbies much better than Bob and that surprised me.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, November 10, 2006 - 2:07 am
How exactly does one lose 20lbs in one week!!!! Eric consistently had been losing around ten lbs a week. last week he gained 4 lbs?? (Cant remember) In order to ahve looked like he gained weight he had to have eaten a larger amount of food and drank more water Later in the day then usual. A person often loses 5-10 lbs when they have a bowel movement. Especially if eating high fibre foods (any big people here? weigh yourself before and after LOL) Anyways...so the 20 lbs THIS week was only a legitimate 5-10 lbs weight loss per week MINUS the extra 10-15 lbs of Food and Water he had in his body last weighin. Something that has puzzled me this season. Where is the Plateau? There is always a plateau when the weight gain of muscle mass is approx the same as the weight loss of fat. Even the women are consistently losing each week. This is close to impossible unless they are giving these people weight Loss pills which forces the body out of plateauing.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, November 10, 2006 - 3:27 am
A person often loses 5-10 lbs when they have a bowel movement. Especially if eating high fibre foods memo to self, start eating more fiber
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Friday, November 10, 2006 - 4:05 am
Where the heck do we buy that kind of fiber? I need a lot. Do they sell it in the big feed grain size bags? LOL I could use some of those pills too.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, November 10, 2006 - 5:58 am
a BIG person. a big tall person. I should have said MEN I guess. Women are so much smaller in body mass that it isnt as applicable. maybe 5 lbs for women. That is how those cleanses (and many diets) work!! Change of diet, less bulk and wha LA! you can lose 10 lbs in one week. it is artifical weightloss though...only because your gut is basically empty LOL
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 8:46 am
Sigh I missed last Wed. show but after catching up on how cruel it was to the ones from home guess I'm glad. But thanks all for the updates
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Cablejockey
Member
12-27-2001
| Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 9:31 am
When Heather and Kai moved a bed out of their room to another so that the new girl couldnt bunk in with them, did they get in trouble for this? Are H and K still in a room of their own? They should have been reprimanded in some way for this childish behaviour. It seems that the trainers and the contestants are resentful of the newcomers. They were all cozy and friendly with their group and couldnt take the new additions.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 10:59 am
Kind of a tough one really. In a way, the show's producers were unfair to everyone by doing this routine. The people in the ranch have been isolated from their families and are following a specific training regimen that the professional trainers have designed to supposedly give them the best chance for a long healthy life with permanent weight loss. The two people who returned have had to tough it out at home without the benefit and support of the trainers and the group. But they have been with their families. The fact that they have been able to lose as much weight as they have is truly to their credit. They clearly out did the others with their weight loss and on the surface it makes the trainers look incompetent and the people at the ranch look bad. At the same time, there is no way to know if they have done it in the best way for permanent healthy weight loss. So you have people meeting each other from different and uneven playing fields. It's unfair to both sides and bound to lead to a lot of friction and frustration. Having said that, I agreed that Kai and Heather's behavior was childish. At least Kai was ultimately willing to talk to Adrian, so that has improved my opinion of her a bit.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, November 13, 2006 - 3:58 am
resentful of the newcomers its human nature. Geesh, every place I've worked has been that way.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, November 13, 2006 - 5:58 am
Sunshyne4u, wow. I've had very different experience in the workplace. We are always very happy to have new blood in the office. When 250K is involved and it's a game the contestants will be resentful especially if the newcomers did better. My problem was with the new female coach making excuses for why they lost more then the the people that had the ranch. It would have been a prefect time to reinforce that the ranchers can do it on their own when they leave the ranch instead she raised eyebrows.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Monday, November 13, 2006 - 6:04 am
TMI here, but I WISH I could lose 5-10 pounds when I poop.
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Monday, November 13, 2006 - 10:40 am
I don't know about losing that much weight when you poop. It sounds a little scary to me LOL.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 2:46 am
I'm with you Hukd. I want to know where to buy some of that there cleanse.
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