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Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 7:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I think if they didnt sign release they would have to blurr their faces, like on Cops.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 7:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Next time it airs, we should look at the small print credits, it probably states if they do

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 7:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
This program, just like America's Most Wanted, is responsible for taking people that act badly (not harsh enough) and making them take responsibility for their actions.

A pedophile deserves to be shamed on TV and in real life. Get them all off the streets, away from computers and keep them away from children.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 7:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The main benefit of a show like this is that it increases people's awareness. I guess I would just feel better about the network and producers if they were doing it as a non-profit public service and not turning it into a commercial money making endeavor.

Having said that, I am in complete agreement that if one child is saved from harm by showing this, then it is more than worth it.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
It doesn't matter to me if the network makes a profit from the program. That is the American Way.

The public can see the faces of the pedophiles and hear their names. That gives the public more power to protect their loved ones.

Just think about how many criminals were captured by being shown on America's Most Wanted. I don't care if the network made a profit by airing America's Most Wanted either.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 9:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
If ya'll haven't checked out the websites listing convicted sexual predators in your area, you really should. It's very frightening and a pretty eye opening experience.

When the school district took our buses away from us, we fought back with petitions and research (didn't help in the end but we sure tried.) The first two things we did was to check the statistics on accidents that occured in the busy intersections between our neighborhood and school, and check out the webiste for convicted predators. In a three mile radius of our school, there were 16 listed predators.

Personally they should be brought out in the light. Show parents pictures and names, what could happen in these types of situations and how easy it is for someone to trap a child. The more knowledge we have the better we can protect our children and if it takes showing these programs over and over and over again to alert parents to possible dangers then do it.

Freetimefinally
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01-26-2006

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Freetimefinally a private message Print Post    
I don't think they have to sign a release as this is a news show.

Years ago a newspaper took a lovely picture of a man and woman holding hands lovingly while sitting on a bench on valentines day on the local square. When they asked for there names they were told by the couple not to use it.(They were married just not to each other.) The couple was told is you are in a public place(Not on your own property or someone elses who forbids the picture taker being there)) then it could be used legally. And it was used(no names were printed as none were given). They tried suing the paper and lost the case. Cops isn't really a news show so I think that makes the difference.

Christiii
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07-07-2005

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 9:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Christiii a private message Print Post    
yeah Wargod, im really surprised more people havent posted about that website i listed....its just AMAZING and really scary! I dont have any in my immediate neighborhood, but one lives TWO doors down from my boutique, and my boutique is in most upscale part of town!! so scary!!

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 9:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
That was one of the things that scared the crap out of me, looking at it and realizing a convicted child molestor lived one street over from us. He's gone now, but how long had he lived here? In a neighborhood where we have two kinds of kids, those who only play in groups like mine, and those who wander the neighborhood alone as young as 5 or 6 years old.

Several years ago, a friend of our neighbor's 13 year old daughter was abducted walking to school. 7am, fairly busy street since its one of the main ones in the city and also the way kids in elementary, jr high and high school walked to and from school. The little girl was found hours later after being brutally attacked and beaten and left in the middle of an empty field by a woman who just happened to take a different path that day while out walking her dog. After being arrested, they realized the man who'd done this horrible thing to this child had just been released from prison for the same crime on another child and had been living in this neighborhood all these kids walked past to get to school. At the time no one had any idea about his past and that he was living in their neighborhood.

We need to be aware of things like this, to know if theres a threat in our neighborhood, and what kind of threats there are to our kids every day. One of the arguments we have with Caleb fairly often is about moving the computer into his room. Uh, no. 10 years old, I'm going to monitor what you're doing online and that means you sitting right here in the living room where I can see everything you're doing. He thinks we don't trust him and we have to explain yet again it's not him we don't trust it's the sickos in the world who will try and do anything to hurt a child. Right now my best way to keep them safe is to stare over their shoulder, block websites that are inappropriate, and make damn sure I know exactly what he's doing and that he's chatting with only people we know (granparents, uncles and aunts and parents.) It has nothing to do with not trusting him.

Jewels
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09-23-2000

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jewels a private message Print Post    
Oregon doesn't currently publish their list, but apparently according to the website posted above, they are going to have a website up July 1st. It will be interesting to see how many in our area, there are some seedy areas close by.

I cringe everytime I happen to watch this show. Did anyone see the one where the guy brought his 5 year old son with him? When he walked in the house they immediatley told him who they were and that he should just walk out. Then when he walked out they arrested him and took the son, then called the mom (I think) to come and pick him up. Could you imagine?

It is also amazing to me how many of these guys say they are just there to "mentor" the girl. Uh, yeah, right. Some of the excuses they come up with are ridiculous, but then I guess if you look at the type of people that are there, what else would you expect.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
How old do you think your kids should be before you let them go out to play without supervision (and I mean real supervision - having a vague idea of where they are doesn't count IMO)? We don't let our kids go out at all unless one of us is with them, but there are 4 year-olds and up wandering around our neighborhood by themselves. Unfortunately, the fact that we watch our kids makes us the unusual parents. We feel like we are fighting a losing battle but there is no way that we'll give this one up.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Dylan is 10 1/2 and we just started letting him leave the front yard! He has to have a walkie talkie with him if he rides bike out of my sight

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Oh, we've always been unusual in that regard as well, Jimmer. I still shake my head in disbelief of one neighbor who came over once about 8:30pm and asked if we'd seen her 5 year old daughter. The kid had been running the neighborhood for quite a while at that point. She wasn't concerned or scared, it was just bedtime and the girl wasn't home from playing yet.

I don't know that I can really answer that. The kids have a few friends where there allowed to go to their houses, we know the parents, they know us. If we're not walking Kota at least, you can be sure she's just going across the street and we're watching from the yard. When they're out with their bikes in the street, we're usually outside with them and if not, one of us is in the kitchen where we can watch them.

Both our kids were allowed to play out front where we could watch them from the house (hey that floor to ceiling window next to the front door has its uses, lol) at 6-7. I think we're very lucky the kids closest neighborhood friends are the kids who live in the two houses right across the street from us, so even while these kids parents are keeping an eye on them as they keep an eye on their own kids (and as we do when their kids are here) we're still able to watch them. Caleb is allowed to ride his bike down the cul de sac four houses to play with his buddies alone, but he knows when we go out to check on him, he better be exactly where he said he was going.

We are strict about this, and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about it. I notice the parents we're most comfortable with the kids being at their houses are the same way though. We busted Dakota not that long ago. She was playing across the street and I looked out and she was gone. This is one of the families where she's allowed in the house, but she is supposed to let us know first, and when she came home and told us she'd been playing in the backyard she did get in trouble. Not cuz she shouldn't have been there, but because she knows she's supposed to tell us. When the neighbor kids want to come in, I make them go home and tell their parents first. Just common courtesy as far as I'm concerned, they expect to look over and see them in the yard, they better be there.

Almost without fail, once my kids walk out the door to play theres a pack of em out there before I can blink. They and the two sets of neighbors across the street play together all the time, so it's very rare to look out and see any of them alone.

If you can find a group of kids your kids ages, become the neighborhood playhouse! Ours jump between here and the two neighbors houses and I don't mind in the least having a herd of them out there. During the summer especially I make sure to buy treats, snacks and juices at Costco to have on hand for when they're hear. I know that while I feed these kids today, tomorrow mine will be over at their houses getting fed so it doesn't bother me any. I'd rather look out and see them all here or across the street cuz at least that way I know where they all are!

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 11:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Oh don't you love those Pamy! Have you seen the cell phones made specifically for children? They can be programmed with like four numbers and thats the only ones they can call (and 911.) I've seriously been thinking about getting some if they look like they're reasonably durable.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Thanks Pamy and War. I feel a bit better. We do the play thing a lot and so do a couple of other parents. However, the majority just let them wander around all day and well into the evening. It was getting dark out the other night and there were still little kids out playing in the street. Unbelievable! And it's not like we live in a bad neighborhood either. One of the other parents nearly hit one with their car the other evening (and this man is a very safe driver – the kid darn near ran into him).

And of course we constantly hear from our little ones about why they can't be out playing by themselves. But it's just too bad – we're not doing it.

The cell phone idea is kind of good isn't it.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Oh yeah, they'll gripe and complain about it cuz so and so's parents let them go out by themselves. I just channel my mom and tell them they are not my kids or else they'd be stuck in our yard too, lol. I tell them all the time, my one and only job at this point in my life is to keep them safe, raise them to be decent human beings, and get them to adulthood where they can be mean mom and dad too. They don't like it too dang bad, this is the way it is.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Do I remember hearing that even our old cell phones will still always call 911? I'm trying to think of where I heard that....seems like it isn't a fact the phone companies spread around.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Something about being able to place a call to 911 if you had no minutes left right, Supergranny?

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 11:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Also I hear on the news that South Carolina is passing a law that a child rapist will get the death penalty if convicted twice. I just have this hesitation that will that mean they (rapist) would have nothing to lose so safer to just kill the child. But if we give them life with no parole won't the inmates take care of him?

There was a teacher here in Washington that had sex with one of her students. Was on probation and then caught in a car with him. She had her 2nd child in prison. Spent 7 and a half years in jail...they got married as soon as she got out and he is of legal age. Living the good life now. She was convicted twice but she shouldn't be put to death. Very disturbing when here I am such a child advocate.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Wargod, it seems like even if you have gone to another phone company...I need to check on that before I make that statement I guess.

I can remember tellling our kids when they gave me that old story of how all the other kids get to do it...I would say "Well you were born to the wrong mother because but this mother says no!"

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Dylan is still too forgetful to have a cel and they might be more wanted for stealing than a walkie.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Supergranny, your statement about rapists being taken care of in jail speaks to me. I'm not at all for or against it. I just find it interesting that, as a society, we will condemn those individuals to jail (robbers, murderers, etc.), but then we are OK with them committing a murder of a rapist we put in there. It's an interesting statement on so many levels. First, it's interesting in a "Kohlberg's Levels of Morality" sort of way, in that one crime transcends all others (stealing expensive medication to save your wife from dying). Second, it's interesting that we in society are OK with other people (prison people) doing our dirty work (murder the rapist); it's like we don't want to dirty our hands.

I don't want you to think I'm judging you or your statement, because as I was reading your post, I was thinking, "Yeah, good point."

I just find human nature fascinating, with regards to social rules, and taboos.

I do totally agree about how the second child would maybe more likely be murdered, instead of only raped.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Actually I am such a vigilante that I want to take care of them myself...perform a little operation of the kind that makes steers only interested in grass.

Rehabilitation does not work. Why put them in jail to have others brutalize them. And I do worry about a death sentence because it would be easier to kill the child than be discovered. Ergo...cut it all off!!

Regee
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10-09-2005

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 3:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Regee a private message Print Post    
I think the website is a great idea, couldn't believe the one's living near me in Omaha.

But I get the feeling this is the "first time" these men have been caught doing this so they wouldn't be on that list anyway.

All so I sm with Verizon and they ask if you want to turn in your old phone so they can give it to the shelter's that only has 911 programmed in it.

They, of course, strip it down so no info is left on it.

Jeff has watched each and everyone of these that have been on, but I haven't as AI was on so that beat everything out.

Robok
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10-28-2003

Friday, June 09, 2006 - 5:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Robok a private message Print Post    
There is a website: Family Watchdog.com. You can type in your address and find all registered sex offenders in your neighborhood. I went and was amazed at the close proxcimity of these people.