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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 8:57 am
Has anyone else seen these episodes? I caught it for the first time last night and was totally shocked at what I saw. I came here to see if anyone else had opinions about the shows...but couldn't find a thread discussing it...
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 9:59 am
I'm obsessed with this series. It never fails to shock me with the amount of truly sick human beings there are out there. It's all walks of life, rich/poor, educated/uneducated, rural/urban. It also crazy how many have seen the show and are still willing to go through with meeting the child. They should keep doing these to flush out the predators and to show the children on the internet what type of men they are really talking to.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 10:27 am
Every one of the men last night said they had watched the previous shows and had a feeling that they might be set up but still, they went.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 10:49 am
I believe all these names should be published..to h*ll with their individual rights...they did not worry about a childs rights when they pursued their sick fantasies. The same way when the police catch "Johns" using prostitutes. The statistics show that most prostitutes have been abused as children. Let the public know about these teachers, ministers,and public figures...see how long they would last!!
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 10:53 am
Oprah had a very revealing show on how a young boy got started as an online porn star. The FBI has around 1500 names of pedophiles who subscribed to the site. That was when I started thinking that they should publish each and everyone of those names! I immediately called my daughter to make sure my grandchildren do not have web cams. They don't!!
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 1:06 pm
I was so fascinated, appalled and repelled by these men all at the same time. Why do they risk EVERYTHING...KNOWINGLY...??? The 6th grade teacher made me angry and the guy with the duct tape and rope scared me... I wonder how long before the ACLU will step in and try to stop this show? I personally think this show is a public service that should be allowed to continue. But it gave me such conflicting feelings. I was embarrassed and ashamed for those guys when the chats were read out loud, yet angy and pissed off that they KNEW they were committing a crime and STILL DID IT.... This show is driving me nuts... but I can't help but be drawn to it...
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 1:31 pm
That's interesting Kep. It relates to a comment I was going to make on a certain conflict of interest on the appropriateness of such a show producing ratings and advertising dollars. The other question I have for people who are appalled by what you have seen (I assume that would be everyone) is having seen one episode, will you continue to watch? If you do continue to watch, why?
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 1:33 pm
Parents and children should be aware of the subject -- even before the programs aired. One hour is enough. I feel that NBC is pandering (is that the correct word?) to the viewing public. A weekly (or more) program of the same thing over and over is not necessary.
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Christiii
Member
07-07-2005
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 1:47 pm
actually I think they are all logged into the preditors database. Dr. Phil had a show about it a few weeks ago, and he listed a website that showed all the sexual preditors in you area!! the website is http://familywatchdog.us all you do is type in your address and it shows all the registered offenders (convicted have a red mark, not convicted have a green mark) it also shows all the schools in your area and how close they are. You can soom in and zoom out pretty far..its AMAZING!! You can also click on the red or green marks and get a picture, name, description and charges against the person. Its sooooo scary to look at!!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 2:11 pm
Jimmer, while I understand your argument about pandering.....I think this needs to be in the public consciousness, and if increasing the frequency does that, then I'm all for it. I think Supergranny started this thread a few months ago, and I piped in, and then someone else said that it was the 4th time they had done the show. I hadn't seen the first 3 times, and that would be an educational opportunity lost. Now I see a few MORE people saw it the other night, and so it's reached a few more people. Bit by bit. I think it's important to keep showing it. I don't think these shows are about ratings over the need to wake the public up....these people are OUT THERE, and there are a LOT of them. To stretch the argument a bit more....couldn't advertising dollars be analagous to crime stoppers, who gat money for tips on the arrest and conviction of small time criminals? Dateline hires the bait people and pays or the equipment, and the police sort of reap the benefits, by piggybacking the operation and arresting the men. Dateline gains the financial reward for their deeds. I can't see anything too horrible about that.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 2:54 pm
I think there may be an element of voyeurism on the part of the viewing public (repeat viewers) that the network is playing to and I find that distasteful. There is no need to watch a show like this more than once.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 3:05 pm
Is this really a Big Brother site? Talk about voyeurism... No one has to watch the show but I believe that the more often the show airs, the more aware people become. It is not a show that I keep track of or look for and found it by flipping channels. It amazed me that the peeps had watched a previous show and still showed up for these meetings. Certainly, candidates for the "Dumbest Perv" award.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 3:31 pm
I've watched it a couple of times. Second hour -- just more of the same. Enough. A periodic (once a month, less often?) show on the subject can keep it in front of the public. But a regular weekly show -- NBC / Dateline is going for voyeurism and the advertising $$.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 3:36 pm
I think they should run this show until no pervs show up. Just keep on arresting them until they all disappear.
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Christiii
Member
07-07-2005
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 3:45 pm
me too Rosie!! you all should try that website i posted above to see the preditors in your neighborhood.....its scary and a real eye opener!!
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Cablejockey
Member
12-27-2001
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 3:45 pm
The fact that they still showed up, no matter how suspicious they were it might be a trap, tells me that these men have no control over their desires for sex with a teen or younger child! It also tells me that they have probably done this before, with success.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 4:01 pm
Wow Eeyore...you have a better memory than I do. I just get so angry over this and the increase of these creeps. I remember once when I was a kid a guy pulled over and proceeded to show us his p*nis. I was 7 at the time and my brother and I started throwing rocks at him! He got out of there fast before we broke his windshield..or got lucky and hit his crotch. Once when we were camping in Oregon there was a teen-age boy flashing the girls bathroom. I followed him back to his campsite and informed his whole family what he had been up to. Another time there was some guy making obscene phone calls in the Burien area. I told DH I wish he would call me. I put one of those big whistles by the phone and one day I got lucky. He started out sort of whispering and I kept saying "What? I can't hear you" while I was reaching for the whistle. And then I blew and blew that whistle as loud as I could...I had to have blasted that creeps ear drum. At least I know I ruined his day. What I am saying is that you have to be aggressive with these creeps. They do not deserve any rights. Their names should be available to the public...not just the ones who have all ready caused the damage. These guys have shown intent to damage our children!!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 4:07 pm
I read an article in Maclean's magazine (Canadian version of maybe Time or Newsweek), about a kid who was very good at computers, and one day in a chat room, some guy PM'd him, and pretty much hit on him. This made the kids hack the guy's computer, and he sent the info to a group that sends the info to the police. So then he got the idea to KEEP hacking into the computers of perv men, and he was sending all the info to the authorities. Well, eventually he got the info to convict a state supreme court judge, and so the judge filed a lawsuit back about privacy issues, and now this kids is going to court, over the pervy judge. I think the article was about a year or two ago. But it certainly was interesting to see the debate over what is the "greater good" and which law should have more weight.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 4:13 pm
Now that really gets my goat. I would like to be at that trial..or outside with a big sign! Privacy issues....cr*p!!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 5:03 pm
The most shocking thing is that they sign a release to let Dateline show them on tv!!
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Friday, June 09, 2006 - 3:16 am
Once when we were camping in Oregon there was a teen-age boy flashing the girls bathroom. I followed him back to his campsite and informed his whole family what he had been up to. Attaway, Supergranny!!!
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Friday, June 09, 2006 - 4:54 am
Pamy, you really think they sign a release? Wow, that would be shocking, but then again I know they have to sign a release to be on Cops, so who knows.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, June 09, 2006 - 5:58 am
Once again if these guys are signing releases to be on the show, in my mind that really calls the show's intentions into question. Exploitation to make money comes to mind - not of the men who agree to appear (who deserve what they get), but sadly of the crime itself. And, why on earth would they agree to sign releases? The whole thing is weird.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, June 09, 2006 - 6:53 am
Jimmer, in one word, GUILT. This is something they actually cannot control (the ones who aren't socio or psycho paths). And I'll take this sort of exploitation any day if it takes predators off the street, or at least "outs" them AND I suspect there are viewers who may start monitoring their kids better, or looking a bit more closely at certain "situations". A case where the ends may actually justify the means. (I sure wish my abusers could have been outed all those years ago; would have saved many children and some lives as well)
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, June 09, 2006 - 6:56 am
I don't think they sign a release... otherwise NBC would be able to use their real names...wouldn't they? But I don't know for sure. I've seen shows where people were committing crimes on tape, crimes they didn't know were being filmed... can't imagine any of them signed releases...but who really knows for sure? The show I watched the other night was the first time I had watched. I don't think I will be watching again, but that's just speculation right now..LOL I knew this kind of thing happened, but the actual realization of the scope of how many do it is what appalls and draws me. I'm not drawn in by the lewdness and stupidity of these people, but more by the sheer number of them. While I do think this type of expose is providing a community service, I also think that too much of it will desensitize the viewing public to the point where this kind of thing becomes blase, and that's where I think the danger lies in too much "pandering"...
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