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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 11:06 am
Well if they were being judged just on their dancing then there wouldn't be a call in vote, like with AI. It's always gonna be a popularity contest when the public is involved.
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Spygirl
Board Administrator
04-23-2001
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 11:20 am
I disagree. American Idol is a prime example of how that is not the case. After all these seasons of AI, it has been about talent. Sure, there is an element of popularity, but it is driven by ability. That is simply not happening on Dancing with the Stars.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 11:28 am
ITA with Mocha and LadyTex. I also wish this show had hip hop dancing on it. It's not called "Old School Dancing with the Stars," after all.
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Rabbit
Animoderator
08-12-2001
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 11:55 am
The show is still early. No one who has left, has really left more than a week too early or had any realistic chance of winning at this point. I consider "P" still being there and watching him attempt ballroom to be as interesting as seeing others who have no real chance. The scoring system protects the judges top few picks, but the audience determines which of the judges lower scored contestants actually stay. I don't think it is a big deal if you go out 8th instead of 7th. A/I has had crooner John, JPL, Carmen and several others drug by their fan base deeper into the competition than one would think appropriate to their talent but in the end they all went before Show, Place and Win were at stake.
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:17 pm
i agree with most of what you said rabbit, except in the case of AI1. tamyra gray should not have left before nikki mckibbin. in that case the "popularity contest" messed with someone who should have been AT LEAST #2! not 4th place! also Latoya London should have been competing against Fantasia, not Diana DeGarmo. another case of a popularity contest pushing the limits of the show.
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Clutterfree
Member
10-24-2003
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:19 pm
I am so glad that Skating with Celebrities is doing judges' scores only; although I really like the idea in both these shows of keeping all participants on til the end and rating them on cumulative scores. (Not sure if that was discussed here or in skating thread). I WILL keep watching; there are too many good dancers not to, their dancing brings me great joy. But I was so sorry to see Giselle go...only a week before the woman judge thought she had a chance of winning it all. If I had realized the "danger" she was in, I would have heavily voted for her, instead I chose the two lowest above P (George and Jerry). I DO hope she continues to pursue her dancing; it seemed like in her closing remarks she would....here is an opportunity to take that exposure and grace and find another venue to use it; I think she is capable of that. I would like Mr. P a lot better if he would change the shoes--maybe he should come out with his own line of dancing shoes! Any maybe a varietyof Mr P hats in different colors? (The same hat in blue last week wouldn't have bothered me so much.) Bottom line, this show, with all its flaws, still brings me great vibrant joie de vivre, and I WILL continue to watch!
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Katiebug41800
Member
01-22-2006
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:20 pm
The poster above had a good idea ...it would be fun to see celebrities try to learn to Hip Hop dance - I'd watch that. But for those that signed up for THIS competition (ballroom dance) I think it's only fair to allow those taking it seriously to continue.
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Rabbit
Animoderator
08-12-2001
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:27 pm
The real controversy. TVCH posters fail to comment on famous movie tangos. First, the British judge and other posters, commenting about Stacey’s cold expression failed to note she was doing the Cell Block Tango from the musical Chicago. In the dance of the murderesses, they have the detached psychopathic stare going on that Stacey did very admirably. The irony of the judge’s criticism is that what he was blasting her for was doing the character of the dance masterfully but he didn’t realize it. Yet he gave her the same score as the two judges that understood. He got it right despite his ignorance. What’s up with that. I don’t trust a ballroom dance judge that doesn’t know his Tony winning musicals. Second, Tia’s tango was done to “Por Una Cabeza”, the same music that she performed the Tango to with Arnold the Gropinator, in the biggest movie of her career, True Lies. At the end Arnold and Jamie Lee Curtis do the Tango to the same music. Come on people are we a media site or what.
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Katiebug41800
Member
01-22-2006
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:45 pm
Very good points Rabbit! You're on the ball!
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:47 pm
Or what.
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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:49 pm
I think if they gave the rank of the audience votes it would help. I agree that people would vote differently if they knew someone was in danger of going. Look at how it has gone so far....when someone is in the bottom 2, the next week they seem to be safe ('cept Master P, but he's "special.") Wonder why they don't let you know the results. There always is a lot of room for opinion in this stuff. That's fun to me. Like last year. I have always been a John O'Hurley fan (adored him as J. Peterman) and I loved watching him dance...but he didn't even attempt things on the difficulty level of Kelly Whatshername. Still I loved both performances... his for the drama and grace and hers for the guts and the heart. I personally didn't care who won because I thought they both were great and I could argue for either. And I don't think it has done anything but make each of their lives better, which is more than people would have banked on before the show started! For this year, I had never even heard of Giselle before the show....it has brought great exposure to her. No one should feel sorry for her. It did just what her agent wanted it to do for her. And she got paid to take dance lessons! I think Master P has a love/hate relationship with this. He obviously hates the dancing.... but I am sure appreciates the love! When it all gets down to it....if you want fair, don't watch an audience voted show!!! Do the most talented singers sell the most music? Do the best employees always run corporations? Are the best people always elected to public office? It's a weird, weird world. I do think one of the better dancers will win...but not necessarily the best.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:56 pm
Bravo to that last paragraph, Yesitsme.
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Colemank
Member
08-05-2004
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 4:10 pm
You know what I wish? I wish that they mixed up the dancing a bit. Seems that some couples are always doing the slower dances and some are always doing the faster dances. I kind of wonder how great Stacy would be if she had to do the jive. I know that the slow dances are difficult to, but to keep up the pace and all that super fast footwork. To me as a viewer it is hard to compare the 2 different styles and say wow, this couple really really did a much better job.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 4:56 pm
blech...yuck...arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Tatum O'Neal is a guest commentator on ET now! guess she did turn this into her 15 minutes! she also rationalizes that this has become a popularity contest and that's why she is out........well, i won't disagree with her on that.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Monday, January 23, 2006 - 6:48 pm
Today P was on The View, and Elisabeth was once again wearing her "Vote for Master P" campaign shirt. Augh. She said he's worth $500 million. I wonder if that's why he's afraid to be seen in dress shoes, for fear of appearing out of touch with his fans. No wonder George was pointing out that their 'hood is in Beverly Hills. Meanwhile Harry Hamlin was on Martha with his Team Rinna t-shirt and threw several out into the audience encouraging them to vote for her. Tia Carrere was on Regis and Kelly performing the tango once again. I feel like these are all-out campaigns going on. Tia looks thinner every time I see her, and she said she has now lost 25 pounds. Rabbit, I got the cell block tango reference right down to the red scarf Stacie pulled out after she killed him. I never saw the stage production, but in the movie the "merry murderesses" looked a lot angrier than that. They were cold-blooded about it, but not spaced out. They said part of the criteria they were judging the tango on was intense facial expressions, which she showed wonderfully in the last 10 seconds or so. Regarding AI, don't they eliminate all of the obviously untalented singers before they start letting the audience vote? I thought the audience was only voting from a smaller group of people the judges had seen some talent in, so no matter who wins at least you know it won't be someone who can't even carry a tune.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 7:43 am
Rabbit, I agree and said the same thing in the Project Runway thread. The most skilled wins and it doesnt matter the order in which the other contestants leave. Entertainment is the first order of business in all TV. P is entertaining me and many others. And who knew you were such a tango expert! That's my boy. This show is about ballroom dancing. None of these judges would be qualified to score hip hop. So You Think You Can Dance had some impressive hip hop. A show similar to that with celebrities would be the place for a hip hop challenge if it were to happen.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 4:35 pm
I caught the Cell Block Tango reference during Stacy's dance and, except for the last few measures, didn't see such a great interpretation of the dance. I still think her expression was "pasted on". It was cold and lifeless, not what the "merry murderesses" would look like had they been dancing on this show (not that they would! ).
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Rabbit
Animoderator
08-12-2001
| Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 4:48 pm
Well, now you two are going to make me put in the DVD to check my age worn memory. I could have sworn each murderess had the stoic stare going on until it was time for their murderous solos. But hey at my age I could be thinking of Robert Palmer's "backup band" in his videos. Ah, the power of love.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 5:57 pm
Who chooses the music for the dances? The pro in the couple / the couple? Someone else? Drew and Cheryl were very good, but I just don't get "Thriller" for the paso doble???!!! AAAACK! I would love to see their dance to true paso doble music.
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 6:44 pm
I think they have to use "pop" (and I use that term very broadly) to appeal to the casual fan (ie the fan who wouldn't ordinarily be in to ballroom dance.) *I* thought using "Thriller" was brilliant. Lisa's "The Final Countdown"...... not so much.
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Doxiestar15
Member
06-10-2005
| Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 6:49 pm
What is the name of the song during Ps "dance"
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 8:16 pm
I turned the sound off during Drew's dance so I could appreciate it better. Funny thing is I was humming the traditional paso doble music (España Cañi?) to myself, and somehow managed to finish at the right time. The dance was awesome once I muted the sound. I think so far the best moment of this series was Bruno telling the audience "Oh, shut up!" I feel bad for Ashley when they question her because she's on the spot with P standing right next to her, but she seems so frustrated with him for not practicing. I remember how hard she was on Joey last year. You know she wants to complain, but she doesn't want P chewing her out again for embarrassing him on camera. Four weeks and only 20 hours of practice? Mystery solved. It's so lame to be blaming the scores on personal issues about those orthopedic shoes, or on "hatin'." Well, let's see. Who will take the fall for P this time? Will it be Tia? It's a shame she had that flub in the beginning because the rest of her dance was beautifully done. I liked Lisa's dance a lot, especially the costume. I didn't like it as much as last week's jive, but it was still good and I'm glad they gave her high marks for a change. Jerry was better and smoother. I still wish they'd work on his arms and hands, but for the most part he's looking more polished than in the beginning. All in all, I found this episode kind of dull. I hope I'm not getting bored with this show. I even found myself taking out the trash during Stacy's performance of yet another slow, flowy dance featuring high kicks. I was having Rachel Hunter flashbacks. I'll be glad when all the women have to do the samba.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 8:37 pm
GO Lisa! P's time is up...If he makes it through after tonight, I might wash my hands of this show. Fanbase-schmanbase...It's really not fair to those that are putting the time and effort into it. Let's see Stacey do the Pasadina...er..Palo alto...umm...pass-the-dutchie, you know the bull fighting dance and see how she would carry herself then. I'm not really on the Stacey bandwagon or the Drew vibe.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 8:45 pm
I'm definitely not on the Stacey bandwagon. I don't like her at all, and if I have to hear about her damned legs one more time I'm gonna scream! (They are NOT all that long! Mine are as long, if not longer!) I missed P's dance (next door neighbor has great timing! <grin>). So far, I like Tia the best. Oh, and I'm getting tired of George's constant mugging. It really doesn't disguise the fact that he can't do much out on the dance floor, and Edita covers (and leads) him often. Not looking forward to Lisa's (still don't care for her), can't wait to see Drew's, and am curious about Jerry this week. But yeah, I think I'm getting bored with this show. Cause uh, hello! It's on right now and what I am I doing? Posting here! LOL!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 8:46 pm
I think the judges scored P extra low to acct for the viewer votes..I think fans will vote even harder for him..that said, I think Tia or George will go tomarrow
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