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Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 11:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
The compulsion to molest children often is a result of that person's own stilted emotional and sexual development.

As a person who had a number of bad experiences as a child I see things possibly a little differently.

On one hand I feel there should be no excuse for their actions and the guys should be locked up and left for prison style retribution... on the other hand, many of the molesters seem genuinely remorseful and truly seem not to fully understand their actions and dont want to acknowledge that their fiddling was doing harm.

I have not watched this show nor want to.

We live in a sad and SICK society when there are hundreds of sex offenders listed for big cities. What kind of world do we live in?

((answer is...the kind of world that you can go downtown and see 10 yr old hookers OR go online to find Anything, absolutely any perversion has a website. That is our society))

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Monday, June 12, 2006 - 3:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
Wargod, your comments about your kid(s) closely match my rules. DD is always pulling the "so-and-so can" card, and I faithfully reply, "I am not so-and-so's mom, I'm yours, and my job is to keep you as safe as I possibly can."
Our county sheriff's department has a sexual predator website - you enter an address and it shows you all the pervs within whatever distance you choose and it provides the pervs' pictures, what they were convicted of, and their address. You can also sign up to receive e-mail alerts when a predator moves into your area (again, you decide the distance.) While the site provides information about the creeps that were caught and convicted, it obviously doesn't have any info on the creeps out amongst us who haven't been caught.
DH and I prefer vigilante justice when it comes to these pervs. If anyone hurts any of my kids, they should pray that the law catches them before we do, especially if the worst happens and we lose a child. That said, many of these freaks are not just out for the sex (c'mon, how sexy can a two-year old be?) so I'm not sure if castrating them would "cure" them. They do not need a pe*is to abuse a child...there are female pervs out there also.
This may sound archaic or medieval, but Alcatraz isn't being used right now (other than tourism). How about we send all sexual predators/offenders to live there, or something like it. Kind of like the old leper's colonies. They're away from the public, with no possibility of getting to our kids.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Wouldn't be big enough to hold them all Bluejaxrock....

Not sure castration would stop the abuse either...There are very old pedophiles who no longer have the physical ability to molest, but find ways to sexually abuse children anyway....

Its not about the sex...its about the power and control one has over a small child...

Short of a bullet to the brain, how do you cure someone of that????

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
I know...lobotomies!! These days they know what area of the brain controls sex! OMG I just found the answer! Can't you see all those lawyers gearing up!

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
LOL Supergranny... the lawyers AND the ACLU...

But I'm with you on this one.

Freetimefinally
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01-26-2006

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Freetimefinally a private message Print Post    
What amazes me about this show is not that there are that many pedafiles out there or approaching children on line. What does amaze me is how many encounters must go on each day with children and pedafiles in every town from internet connections. This is not the first time these men have gone to a childs house. And think of how many others were in those towns at the same time meating real children who weer not police decoys. All pedafiles don't only chat with cops.

I think it would be interesting to somehow do a show to see how many children would actually invite a pedafile(cop) to come over. I would think first you would need parent permission. Then again everyone would still say but my child would never do that.

The only show I saw of Dr. Phil's that I really did like was one where the mom took on a fake identity in a myspace forum. She wanted to see if her teenage sons would give out information or how far they would go. She had phone numbers for both of them very fast. Knew their full names and also the schools they go to. Not hard from there to find out adress and such.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 10:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Someone else can probably comment on the statistics to back this up, but isn't the vast majority of abuse cases the result of abuse from family members or family friends, neither of which are met over the Internet?

Shows like this do absolutely nothing to address that sad reality (and partly distract from it).

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I remember a show on 60 minutes a long time ago, where a convicted molestor actually showed TV crews on camera how easy it was to convince a child at a playground to go with him.

They had the mom there who was adamant that her child would not leave...that she had been taught how dangerous strangers are....

The molestor talked the little girl into going to look for a lost puppy with him. It was frightening just how easy it was for him...and this was a child whose parents thought they had armed their child with the right knowledge.

Telling someone that there are pedophiles online picking up children just doesn't bring it home like actually showing it.

Like I said before, I knew such things went on, but the reality of it was really brought home in both shows.


I think the internet is what makes it so much more prevalent now. The anonymity...the easy access...just adds an entirely new level.

I would like to see the stats on the guys they've been getting in these past shows. I wonder how many of them encountered sexual abuse as children?

ITA, I personally think most, if not all, those guys were just looking for taboo sex because they actually thought they could get away with it.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 11:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Speaking from personal experience, if I had kids, I would watch them like a hawk...better to have your children think that you are way too strict, than to have them grow up like me always knowing/remembering the abuse. It is something that sticks with you forever. Kudos to Dateline for their wonderful shows. I hope there is a not-too-cozy place in Hell for all child molesters.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
When I was a teenager I only went with the hot guys...why would any teen want those old guys?

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 11:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
LOL, you are sooooo correct granny. I always thought that you checked out guys at the mall. At least that is what young ladies did when I was a teenager.

The guys look like total losers. My guess is that the losers post pictures of attractive guys. They probably figure that once they show up, the girls will be so freaked out by the whole situation that the guys will just be able to steamroll them and guilt/pressure them into having sex. The girls in turn, probably to get rid of the guys ASAP, might actually give in.

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
One thing I didn't touch on in my earlier post was that it also our responsibilities as parents to know not just where your children are and with whom, but where are they going when they're on the net? When my 20-year old dd was a teen, she could have up to 8 IM's going at once. The pc was in a central location, so we were able to see some of what was being said. When she "graduated" to myspace and xanga, I immediately put a block on the sites. Not only did I think they were unsafe, but xanga really messed with my pc.
We need to be informed parents, and not be blind and think "not my child", but instead, "why not my child?" So many parents nowadays want to blame someone else (peers, for example) for their child's behavior. My parents knew what I was capable of, and although they listened to my side, they never thought I couldn't or wouldn't do something I wasn't supposed to. I tend to be the same way.
jmho

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 7:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Ah, that's something that scares me, Blue. The kids are old enough to go to friends houses now and it always surprises me when they go a first time and come home to tell me their friend has a computer in their room and can go on the internet, why can't I have one in my room too? Not in my house. They don't have aim downloaded on their computer, they don't use email, and they're sitting in the middle of the living room where we can watch everything they're doing and everywhere they go. Their computer is password protected (all of them are) so they can't even get on it without us putting in the password for them. Caleb thinks we're horribly mean, I don't really give a hoot, lol.

I remember reading an article a police officer wrote. He'd been posing as a child in a chat room and one story he had was how easy it was to find a child just from little info giving out online. All he'd given was the fictional kids first name, city he lived in, baseball team he played for and his jersey # and the guy was able to track him down. I think about that every time Caleb says I'm mean cuz he doesn't have more freedom online. And I really want both of them to be used to this cuz I have no plans of loosening up the restrictions as they get older. Get used to it, I will know who you talk to and where you visit online because that's part of my job.

Jimmer, I do believe you are correct though I can't remember where I saw that. I don't think it's just family/friends that kids are more likely to be victimized by but even casual acquantinces (like the neighbor you wave at when you pass on the street) moreso than total strangers.

Hussy
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08-06-2004

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hussy a private message Print Post    
Perverted Justice are the ones that help dateline. If you really want to know how sick these men are go there and read the logs of the im's these men have with kids. You can also join their forum and help by giving info about your town and the schools in your area along with the name of the local police department. It will help perverted justice volunteers sound like they are from the area when they are doing a sting. I joined yesterday and while I find the forums confusing I am going to try and help with that info atleast....Cin

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 11:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
War, I remember that same story from the cop. He even showed up at the girl's ball game and talked to her parent(s) didn't he?
Again, I'd rather be a meanie than grieving.
Hussy, I tried to get onto the PJ website and for some reason I wasn't able. I didn't really want to read what the freaks were writing to the kids but I did want them to know I appreciated what they are doing, and maybe even donate money to their cause. Maybe the site was too busy, because it was after an airing of one of the Dateline programs. I think I'll try again tonight.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 7:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Oh Bluejax, you're right! The cop played the part of the pedophile and found the kid through little information. I kept thinking he played the part of the kid, thanks for clearing that up! All I really remember is how cold it left me that it took so little information for him to find her. It wasn't like he had a full name or address to work of, just a general location and first name and name of sports team.