Author |
Message |
Mpls
Member
06-30-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 2:37 pm
I'm sorry but I just cannot believe the hate and vitriol toward Randal on this board. As a Black man myself I was highly offended that on this particular season of the Apprentice when a Black man is hired, he has to have his victory DIMINISHED because there is a Caucasion lady who Trump really wants to hire. Then it is Trump that puts the Black man in the ackward position that he did. Yes, Randal could have easily said "fine with me," but I respect him much more for taking the position that he did. Reading this board, it is very clear not many people can ever see much from a Black man's perspective and how wrong this was.
|
Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 2:41 pm
oh here we go... the race card Personally, I really liked Kwame, but did not think he deserved to win. I felt he flew under the radar a lot. I don't remember him being a really strong competitor and stepping up a lot. But this season is the first time I felt that both finalists were strong through the entire competition and really did think they both did a great job. Neither was perfect. Randall also made his share of mistakes through the season (especially in the final task). I think DT considering Rebecca for a job also is totally justified and has nothing to do with race, and am bothered that "they" (the media) are even bringing this up. I mean it's not like he offered someone like Tana a job. (unless of course DT had bought up The Bedazzeler ) ETA - I did not see Mpls post when I was composing this post. I respect your feelings. If DT left it at Randall was hired, I think most people would have been very happy. And I happen to agree that DT put him in an awful position, but I personally didn't see "race" being the issue.
|
Rabbit
Animoderator
08-12-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 2:43 pm
Kappy, again I didn't watch this season. Just the last part of last nights show. I trust your opinion that Randall should have won. He did win. He was given an opportunity to honor a defeated opponent with a consolation prize. He wasn't thrown a curve ball, a slider or a knuckler. It was an underhand lob with a ton of winks as to what was coming. It was such a no-brainer as to how to come out looking great and reinforce your image as the greatest apprentice winner ever. I don't think DT ever considered that instead of swinging at the easy setup and knocking it out of the ball park he would throw the bat at the pitcher, grab the ball and run out of the stadium snarling "my precious, my precious". (How's that, baseball and LOTR in one post)
|
Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 2:49 pm
Race has ZILCH to do with it. Jeeze how sad that race has to come into it. Randal was selfish, plain and simple and it had nothing to do with him being black... It had everything do do with him being a fool!
|
Mpls
Member
06-30-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 2:49 pm
You know, I give up. Black America and White America will always have the chasm of misunderstanding and that is just that. And by the way, I'm sick of someone always saying.., the race card. You know, some f'ing times it is about race.
|
Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 2:53 pm
I am sure many times things are about race. No doubt about it. But in this particular case, race has nothing to do with it. Doesn't it (using the "race card") diminish the injustice of when race really is an issue.
|
Grannyg
Member
05-28-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 2:54 pm
Here are my "thoughts" on the final. I think Randall deserved to win. I think Rebecca did an outstanding job too but as in previous seasons, there is only one winner. I don't think it was fair, in front of a live audience and the "show" wasn't even over, to ask Randall about Rebecca. Why didn't DT wait until the first full day Randall worked and then ask him how he felt. DT could have extended this 15 minutes of fame for another 2 weeks if he had waited and asked Randall at a more opportune time. While I thought all along he would hire them both, I was happy Randall won the "interview". Give the boy time to relish in his victory and then DT could have hit the media with "This great guy that won also gave a job to Rebecca." I think Rebecca will do just fine without a job from DT cause I think she presented herself to be very confident and capable. I'm sure some profound astute business person is already calling her for a job.
|
Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 2:55 pm
You go Mpls! Good to see you still around.
|
Bastable
Member
07-09-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 2:55 pm
This time, it just wasn't. If anyone has any proof that race was a factor, I'd like to see it. Otherwise, we're just talking about perception and paranoia, and we could go around and around for hours on that. Without a shred of evidence, talk like this is simply damaging. "You just don't understand" is not an argument--it's an accusation. Besides, Trump DIDN'T make Randal share his win, and he DID listen and honor his opinion.
|
Babyboo
Member
06-16-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 2:58 pm
Mpls, I have to say i totally agree with both your posts and i think Randal was absolutely right in saying what he said, trump has never done that before and i have to wonder what his motive was, it really kinda ticks me off.
|
Babyboo
Member
06-16-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:03 pm
If Randal had not done so well in this game and wasn't so highly educated i wonder if Trump would have hired him it's almost like he didn't have a choice but to hire him and i bet Randal is the only black man working for Trump in a fairly high position.
|
Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:04 pm
Mpls, I intentionally didn't post what you said--which I agree with--because I anticipated the response. I'm glad you said it.
|
Bastable
Member
07-09-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:05 pm
We can all find wounds wherever we want to find them. To see someone interpret a well-earned win with such twisted logic makes me very sad. It's one thing to see the two-winners idea from the black man's perspective. I totally get that. It's another to say that Randal wouldn't even have won if not for Trump's racial guilt. Randal was exceptional, period.
|
Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:07 pm
I didn't (and don't) like Clay!
|
Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:10 pm
BTW, I really seriously think race had NOTHING to do with it. Seriously. Of course, people will interpret what they want. And yes, I am white and female. But race was never even mentioned during the entire show. Kwame, the other potential apprentice, really wasn't the best choice. And, as I said before, there is only one apprentice. Randal thought that he'd have to give Rebecca his win, and that was B-S. She would've received a silver medal, and a position in the company. And not even a position that would compete with him. He was being a "poor sportsmanship". And I do think his true colors showed. (And no, those were NOT -- most emphatically not -- black colors!)
|
Babyboo
Member
06-16-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:12 pm
I wonder why Trump didn't ask Bill if it would be ok to also hire Kwami.
|
Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:35 pm
Good grief! If I posted something like "As I white man I was offended that the white woman wasn't hired" people would be absolutely disgusted. I surely don't care if they are white or black. I think that Trump was giving Randall the opportunity to look even better and I think that Trump thought it would be a slam dunk that Randall would accept. After all, I think the majority of people viewing were thinking that Randall was the finest person to ever appear on the Apprentice. In fact, he was my favorite reality player of all time, until (IMO) he blew it at the end.
|
Holly
Member
06-19-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:36 pm
Well, just maybe the idea of hiring two people just came to him this season. sheesh...
|
Abby7
Member
07-17-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:36 pm
i'm glad to read that R & R may have known about the possibility of trump hiring 2 people. it only makes sense. after trump described his two projects (jersey condo and atlantic city hotel/casino), he said: ------------------------------------- "i'd like your decisions before i make mine. it could have a little bit of an influence to be honest with you." randal gives his choice. then rebecca says: "well, mr. trump, i don't think that i should make this very hard. i'd take the new jersey project and i think it sounds great. i know you're investing 110 million dollars of Cap-Ex into your atlantic city projects. i wish you all the best with those,but my preference would be the other project." trump: "okay, very good. that makes it a little bit easy for me, doesn't it?" ------------------------------------- well, that exchange makes sense if they had an idea he might hire 2. otherwise, why would rebecca think her choice makes it easier for trump? also, i think at that point rebecca may have realized randal deserved the win. so, i'm guessing she would have picked whatever randal didn't. i also wonder if trump asked randal first for that very reason. i've expected randal to win from the beginning. i do wish he had said yes, regarding rebecca...but it was his choice. i think it was unprofessional of trump to put randal in that position. one thing i'm reminded about, though. remember that project with Randal and Rebecca and the megaphones? dh and i were watching it together that night. we were both surprised that trump admired that they "stole" the megaphones. i thought, for sure, that would cause a huge problem regarding work ethics. i was even more surprised when i came to tvch. i thought most posts would agree with dh and i. however, that didn't seem to be the case. at that time i was shocked that rebecca and randal decided to do that. i still thought rebecca and randal deserved the final 2 though. oh well, just a few thoughts i wanted to share. i wish randal wasn't put on the spot by trump.
|
Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:37 pm
Race had nothing to do with it. Randal was outstanding from day one. His ability to pull the team support and to accomplish his task was unmatched. His leadership was a little unsure and uncreative, at times, but he could figure out what needed to be done and could count on being able to rally the team behind him. Not to use an overly used system but Randal had Trump at hello. I think Trump really liked him from the start. I know I really like Randal from the start. Randal's actions last night did not parallel the entire season and what we saw from him. I wish I could say that it's just his skin color so that I could respect him again, but it goes to the core of his being and has nothing to do with his skin color. For anyone to think that our negative opinions are based on race is seriously disillusioned. And, I personally didn't really care for Rebecca that much, I did see how qualified she was and that she would be a good fit for NY business. I will spare you with pointing out what race I am but I bet those of you who are saying it is race would guess my race wrong.
|
Rabbit
Animoderator
08-12-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:41 pm
On Mark Burnett’s Rock Star INXS show this year, they made a surprise announcement at the end of the last show that they were going to offer the popular runner up Marty Casey and his band an opportunity to open the shows on the upcoming tours. Even JD the self–centered winner seemed happy for Marty and Marty’s fans loved it. In Mark Burnett’s Survivor show this year, for the first time they offered the winner of the car challenge the opportunity to turn down the car and give every remaining player a car instead to break the curse of the car winner being evicted. She turned that offer down, took the car and was immediately evicted. Rupert was rewarded a consolation prize by MB. This consolation prize to the runner-up is not out of line with this recent trend on MB shows. Another consistent trend on MB shows is to have the winner of reward challenges pick someone to take with them. They did this repeatedly on both Survivor and RS INXS. Maybe MB and DT are racist, I don't know one way or the other, but it is hardly the only explanation for this twist. The most obvious was they were trying to be generous to two very popular and worthy contestants. And they gave Randall the choice, they didn't force him to share even a consolation prize and he didn't. His choice and they honored it.
|
Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:52 pm
Well, "as a white female," I have to repeat what I've said above: they never should have put Randal in that position. If DT is so big on Plan B's, he should have foreseen the posibility that Randal might not want to share his victory. I just don't think they should have put him in this position. I feel like Trump and Burnett, inadvertently or not, sabotaged Randal's win. They just shouldn't have done it!
|
Clutterfree
Member
10-24-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 4:00 pm
Just a thought re Bill and Kwami: that was the very first season, and at that point, it probably would have really weakened the show to make it a double win. The next two seasons, Trump was lucky to have one qualified winner (I can't even remember who was up against Kelly!). At this time in the series, he definitely was trying to "mix it up" more, and it would be obvious to viewers that if he took two people this year, it wouldn't necessarily mean he would take two next year. I wonder if there would come a year when he wouldn't take ANYONE--felt like it came close last year.
|
Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 4:02 pm
Mpls, don't give up! We can't ever give up trying to close--or at least, bridge--that chasm.
|
Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 4:11 pm
I'm listening to a show now that Joe Piscipo is on. He was asked about the Apprentice and he swore that whole union thing was true. They wouldn't let him work at below union wages. But he said he offered to work behind the scenes, helped finding the comedians, greeted people, etc. It was all edited out!
|