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Finqwik
Member
09-23-2000
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:05 pm
Probably nowhere to plug the games into or charge the batteries.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:08 pm
Why did you bring Jen M. I thikn she gets off point and spendds too much time on unimportant things. I don't think she did anything wrong. She will not be fired tonight. You made a mistake not bringing her in. You could have brought her back in. Team isn't inspried to bring her back in. You are very hard-headed. You have no flexibility. I had a broken ankle, and I hsouldn't be called inflexible. Carolyn thinks the task failed on presentation. Nothing that drew them in. Why did you lose? Rebecca says bad presentation. Is it your fault or Jens? Jens. Trump - Jen this was about making an inviting envorinment. That didn't happen. Rebecca - Toral should have been here. She would have been fired. Jen W fired. Trump thinks Rebecca has tremendous potential.
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:10 pm
Not liking the Jen W firing. I know she was put in charge of event planning, but I really think that is something the project manager should have had more input into. Event planning was pretty much the task, the PM should have been involved in picking the food, decorations, etc. What I liked about the men's presentation, was that it had a theme. This is something the women should have had.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:11 pm
Trump in boardroom, shaking his head. No lackey comments from Carolyn or George. This girl is either going to be great, or a disaster he says. Jen's goodbye - I am a good event planner. I am disappointed that Toral isn't gone. Rebecca is a poor leader. Women will be in shock, low morale. Need to pull themselves together.
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Finqwik
Member
09-23-2000
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:15 pm
Again great spoiling eeyore loved the'old pervey man watching' comment.
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Longbeachbbfan
Member
08-17-2005
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:17 pm
Yes, thanks for spoiling, eeyore..HUGS & KISSES!
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Dee
Member
08-08-2000
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:57 pm
Thanks SO much for the great spoiling - you write so that we can "picture" what's on the screen. It's difficult being a PM because the rest of the team blames him/her for everything even though they're adults and should know better. Comments such as "She isn't a good PM because she didn't enthuse me", for example. But being a PM is part of showing their qualification as an Apprentice. What a fine line to walk (unless the PM is on the winning team, of course).
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 9:13 pm
I thought that "she didn't enthuse me" stuff was ridiculous. As you said Dee, they are adults. I would think that you'd be able to "enthuse" yourself on every task, so that you win and don't NEED to blame anyone for the loss. Too many times it seems like the apprenti are planning their losing argument while they are still on task. Their focus should be on winning, not whining. The enthused thing came from Kristi...is that girl EVER going to be happy with any PM? Last week Marshawn wasn't hands on enough, this week Rebecca isn't enthusing them. Still, I think a PM should be held responsible for overseeing the task. Rebecca should have had more to do with the decor and the food. She shouldn't have just left it up to Jen. It was too important. Just my opinion, of course...Trump certainly didn't seem to share it (of course, I don't remember seeing anyone even try to make that argument. Jen really didn't seem to do too much to defend herself...either that or I wasn't paying attention when she did, which is always possible.).
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 9:18 pm
can someone on the west coast include a segment on the charity - i think it was a very cool part and worth mentioning for those who want to read this as an update - and i know i will leave out things. the trip to the hospital was great - the men totally bonded with the kids - besides all the cool presents you could just see how much they enjoyed being there, nothing fake about the visit - especially people like the man from kentucky? in the white shirt who really talked TO the kids - i think he said he had a daughter ten years old but she was back in kentucky, and then when they were sitting at the round table with a group of kids he said something to the effect of "do you mind if we go now?" the kids say yes and then he said, "what, you dont want us to leave yet?" and the kids all say no and he highfives one of them... giving respect to the kids and treating them like human beings in the way we saw some of the men doing tonight is a sign of a good leader because you want to show respect to everyone and be able to connect with any audience and treat them as human beings just like anyone else if you really want to succeed in this world to the highest levels.
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 9:26 pm
I'm glad you brought this up legal. I was very impressed with the men tonight. They were able to put aside the issues with Markus right away. I thought it was great after the little disagreement with Clay that they sat down and discussed it as a group. They were working together well and I enjoyed their interaction with the seniors and with the kids. I loved that they used the senior's interests as their theme for the technology fair...showing them how to research their hobbies on the internet...taking pictures with the digital camera. I can't believe the evaluations were so close, because it certainly seemed like they did a much better job.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 11:17 pm
Cdbga, I think if there hadn't been a bunch of pretty girls to look at the scores might not have been so close. The guy's theme of staying connected with your family was brilliant. I'm disappointed with Trump not firing the PM. She made the same mistake Chris made, ignoring Trump's advice on who to bring to the boardroom. Chris was fired for it, but Rebecca was admired for it. You could tell George wanted her fired, though Carolyn seemed more inclined to blame Jennifer. Bottom line, acting like she had absolutely nothing to do with the overall look and feel of the event speaks poorly of Rebecca's leadership skills. She should've been in on all the major decisions. Jennifer should've pointed that out. While she did make a weak attempt at pointing out her poor leadership, she kept bringing it back to her playing favorites rather than how she dropped the ball as PM. What was up with the other Jennifer doing all her confessionals standing sideways like she was posing for a portrait? That was too funny. Judging by the action in the kitchen at the beginning of the show, I think the women already had reason to not be enthused. The way Rebecca talked down to them didn't help, and I was both shocked and amused that she talked to Trump the same way. I can't imagine it's going to get any better with the both of them staying in the game. Speaking of which, I'm surprised Trump didn't take umbrage at Rebecca's claim that jeopardizing Toral would mean giving up her integrity for the sake of "one short-term game." I know it's a game to us, but shouldn't she be viewing this as a job interview?
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 6:08 am
Curlyq, I thought the same thing about Jen's confessionals! I wonder what backlash there will be with the rest of the team from Rebecca's comments in defense of Toral. She didn't just support Toral, she put the rest of them down...saying Toral was the only other woman who had what it takes to be the Apprentice (and didn't she basically say the rest of them were stupid?).
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 6:09 am
I don't think it was exactly the same mistake Chris made -- Toral and Jen W. were both to blame for the loss, so she at least brought one person Trump could reasonably fire instead of Toral or herself. Chris bringing Marcus was pure spite, since Marcus *had* made valuable comments the team chose to ignore. Rebecca didn't bring Toral because she honestly thought this task didn't show Toral's true potential, while it did show Jen W's lack of it -- that showed integrity and loyalty to Trump. Chris brought Marcus just because he didn't like him -- that showed immaturity and lack of forethought.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 8:54 am
ITA Prisoner about how they were not the same mistake. I was getting ready to write the same thing and you beat me to it. Jen really DID look weird in her "confessionals". Speaking of looks, I thought Rebecca looked BEAUTIFUL in the boardroom. I don't know, her makeup looked natural, I liked the rosiness of her cheeks. She was just plain pretty. I'd kill for a face like that. **sigh** Chris was beautiful too though. 
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 9:10 am
While I think Rebecca made a large supersized mistake, and I think Toral is horrible, I think Jen W going was the total right call. The place looked vacant. No signs, no balloons, and only one cake and some sugarfree cookies??? And she was an Event Planner?? It failed miserably. I bet if they had lots of yummy treats (have some fresh fruit or veggie trays if you are worried about the diabetics/too much sugar.) and big signs that said welcome, come on in, they would have had a better and bigger turnout. I was very surprised that the margin of winning was .2 as I thought it would have been much bigger. They were lucky they had a lot of men there. I worked at a nursing home/retirement center and the women outnumbered the men by about 90/10.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 9:11 am
Oh yeah, Jen W. looked like such a freaking baby when she was crying when they got back to their suite.
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Sasman
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 9:27 am
I thought that Rebecca's move of not taking Toral to the boardroom was brilliant. If she had taken her, Toral would most likely been fired. This way, Rebecca saved Toral and more importantly, didn't get fired herself! I do think that Toral must be the next PM, otherwise if the gals lose, she will be on the chopping block for sure.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 11:45 am
Good points Sasman!!!
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 12:05 pm
Other than Toral not knowing how to work the Tivo, what did she do wrong? Do we even know if the tv was hooked up properly? I'm not a Toral fan but Jenn was an event planner for who? some small town church group? I did a better job at my bf's bridal shower,lol. The other Jen didn't do anything wonderful either, sure she showed the elderly how to take their pulse with the latest technology, big wup. Oh, I guess she did let them see her tummy.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 2:18 pm
If Toral is this brilliant, well-educated business executive, shouldn't there have been at least one piece of electronic equipment she could've demonstrated besides the TV? Still, the point isn't just whether or not Toral took on a task she was incompetent at. It's also whether or not she can work with her team. How can she get any good work out of a group of people after she let them know they're beneath her? The first woman fired (Melissa?) could've also argued that she wasn't the reason they lost, but she was fired because she wasn't able to work with her team. Strategically, Rebecca's move was idiotic. If she really wants to win she'd take advantage of the fact that Toral performed badly on this task because if she's that great she may not screw up a second time. The show's motto is "It's not personal. It's just business." If Rebecca doesn't want to win this "short-term game," then why not just take her broken ankle home? What I'd like to know is, what did Rebecca do during this task aside from talking down to people? She didn't pay any attention to the event planning, which was probably the most important job. She sat in her wheelchair looking sulky during the event. What did she actually do? I wonder if Trump gave her a break because she broke her ankle as a direct result of his "reward."
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 2:48 pm
Trump gave her a break because she's pretty like Melania. Fiesty. Flirty almost.
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Ladybug007
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 3:41 pm
REMEMBER EDITING! They want us to think Rebecca is not going to last!
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 3:41 pm
I wonder if Trump gave her a break because she broke her ankle as a direct result of his "reward." My thoughts exactly, Curlyq! I wouldn't think he'd want to fire her so soon after her injury. Could there be some liability involved? He might just feel a little bad for her, too, since she got her on his "reward."
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 6:22 pm
The PM should have been more clear why she brought the other Jen in the BR..she could have talked about all Jen did was use her sex appeal..laying in the floor doing push ups, etc..the PM could have stated that that is all she has going for her...at least DT would have seen the reason more clearly I loved the men tonight.
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Lizziedi
Member
10-05-2005
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 7:07 pm
Hi all! Really enjoyed the comments here. I'm glad to hear that others had problems with "the birth/task". Jim did seem on an emotional disconnect with the enormity of the event, but there may be scenes we did not see. Did anyone else have problems with the fact that after Rebecca's impassioned insistance to spare Toral, Trump said something to the effect that Toral should be on her knees thanking Rebecca. Toral's response was just to insist that she had done nothing wrong. Then, when Trump told her she could go up and enjoy the view, Toral chuckled and said she would. Trump made a comment that while she was there, her friend would be going through hell, and her smile was immediately gone. My take on that brief scene was that Trump did admire Rebecca's loyalty, and did NOT appreciate that Toral was less than gracious in return. Thanks to all Spoilers! I like reading all of the comments. Eeyore, I love your sardonic take on the show. When you say Trump . . . blah blah--it really is blah. Also loved "old pervy guy", "Reesealike", etc. Cd--I agree on the "enthuse me" thing. That ranks right up there with my favorite pet peeve--"I'm bored!"
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