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Taterheadtwo
Member
09-29-2005
| Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 9:16 pm
puzzled and she is still your freind, hee hee.. just kidding
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 9:30 pm
Yeah, looks can REALLY be deceiving. Friends are shocked when I tell them how much I weigh. But I'm blessed with having my weight fairly evenly distributed so I still have curves. I have a friend who is more of an apple shape and that's a whole other story. I think these folks probably ARE on the treadmill or bike for an hour at a time. I know when I had a trainer, that's what they had me doing. It was hell, but I did it. Now that I'm back on my own, I only manage about 30 minutes -- not because it's impossible to continue, but because I don't care to go longer. I never saw that the extra 30 minutes made all that much difference in my results. But that's me. The camera does strange things to folks. They say it adds 10 pounds, but I think it's variable with different people. It's just a factor of body type, bone structure, and comparison points on the screen. Without those comparison points, it's really hard to tell what size anything or anyone really is. Heck, I have that problem with PartyLite catalogs, too because they rarely show items with enough context to the environment to be able to judge how big they really are. (Okay, so that's a strange comparison, but it's the one that came to mind.) I applaud the efforts of these folks. I tend to think that they lose weight much too quickly to really be healthy or maintain long-term results, but so far the past contestants that they've shown have managed to do well, so what do I know. I do know that losing that much weight in such a short time should ONLY be done with close medical supervision and I assume they have that. Of course, they also don't have anything to do EXCEPT exercise and learn nutritional information, unlike the rest of us who have to muddle through real life every day. I do wish they'd show more of the nutritional education portion of their experience, but I guess 24-Hour Fitness probably has it in their contract that it will be exercise, exercise, exercise that we see. 
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 2:27 am
i think discussing opinions and views of the show is what this thread is here for. Like Max I too carry my weight evenly and most people would never guess my weight at 200lbs. I used to still wear a bikini at 170lbs. I didnt look like Suzy. I thought Shannon looked gorgeous at 170 but then again, Jen was amazing at 190!! She was shown Rollerblading! Big does not mean out of shape and lazy. No one here said anything like that, or call anyone a couch potato. When a person is losing weight and having changes in the chemical balances in the body Emotions go wild. It is a common factor. Add the stress of having people vote you out, well, isnt that a huge rejection? At this stage it is a popularity contest. However, I still think that Matt is using emotions to further his stay in the house (or is depressive) That is just my opinion and I respect all of you who may think I am full of Beans!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 2:29 am
oh and I am 5'2
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Way2prissy
Member
07-21-2002
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:17 am
I agree completely that this site is for expressing opinions of the show...I just found some of the discussion to be a little offensive. Someone did use the phrase "obese couch potato" and I think it's a discriminatory generalization. I'll still visit the thread, just wanted to express my concern...thanks! I'm curious Sunshyne--you think Matt is using his emotions for strategic reasons (you could be right)...I think I've cried during every episode. As an overweight person who used to be "normal," I understand their pain and anguish--watching the show is always an emotional experience for me. You indicate that you've struggled with your weight--how is it for you when you watch the show?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 1:35 am
I used to be quite athletic. When I was 170 I was still going to the gym a fair amount but now am disabled and am pushing 200lbs. you ask how is it for you when you watch the show? I feel like this show is not about supporting each other-- it is about competition and a popularity contest. When I watch this show it bothers me the way they seem to insinuate that all these people are overweight due directly to gluttony. From the Jellybean and candyjars on the shelves of the Diary Room, to the fridges of "favourite foods" this show makes us think that these people all are compulsive eaters of sweets. That first show they have the contestants gorking out on tables of food...remember that lady who was licking the chocolate fondue fountain?? When I see the 'temptations' the producers have set up I get mad actually. I dont like sweets and dont have a history of overeating. I have been quite ill a couple of times and put on 25 lbs in a month each time((medications etc)) Once the weight is on.....it NEVER comes off. This show bothers me as there are many people like myself who are not able to rigorously exercise like the contestants on this show. Not everyone who is overweight is a complusive eater of junk food. This is only the second season of Biggest Loser but it seems we are reliving last season. The guys get down to goal weight and most of the women are still obese at the final. Only Dru last season got within 30 lbs of goal weight. I really wish that this show focused MORE on healing the psychological aspects of overeating and depression. It would also be great if recipes and diets were SHOWN to us, the viewing audience. I'd love to know what kind of nutritional supplements and vitamins they are giving these epople. Hope I answered your question okay.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 1:39 am
Just reread my post and realized the most important thought I have....This show confirms that for most women it is a hopeless dream to get to 'goal weight'. It is sad but true. If these women cant do it with all the help and one on one gym trainers....well it is extremely unlikely any of us can get to goal weight. I figure I'll never be 117 lbs again LOL Unless I have something amputated ha ha ha
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Holly
Member
06-19-2005
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 7:26 am
<I just found some of the discussion to be a little offensive. Someone did use the phrase "obese couch potato" and I think it's a discriminatory generalization.> That someone was me, Way2prissy, and I was referring specifically to the contestants on this show, NOT making a generalization about all overweight people. Dr. Jeff was somewhere between 350-400 lbs and a couple of the other men close to 300 when they started out. ALL of the contestants were obese (some still are.) I cannot see how anyone who is close to 200 lbs overweight can ever be called fit...even walking must be an ordeal. When I was 50 lbs overweight, my back and feet constantly pained me, therefore, I spent a lot of time sitting or lying down...on the couch! So I can't see those people on the show who are carrying an extra 150-200 lbs, and were breathing heavily and looking very labored on the first walk they had to take, suddenly being able to work out for hours on end without taking injuries. That's all I meant. And it still makes me wonder! Sorry if it offended you. As I also said in my post, after I lost the weight, I walked daily and did exercise classes yet still suffered injuries regularly.
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Kiersten_love
Member
08-03-2001
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 3:16 pm
You know 170 is a hefty weight, and if you look at all the women this year on the show, they are all bottom heavy. Thats why when you see them with little waists you think they are thinner than they actually are. I have a friend who is shorter than me and also is way heavier than i am..by 20lbs. but what amazes me is that she carries her weight in her ass and hips and legs, yea thats right bottom heavy...and she looks and wears clothes that are smaller than what i wear...so you see its where all the weight is that becomes a bit deceiving. To me Suzie looks her weight...jmo nuff said.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 4:04 pm
You know 170 is a hefty weight Well, all I can say is, that depends. The number is really not all that important. What's important is how you feel, how your health is, and how you carry the weight, whatever the number is. WHen I was in high school, I was called "the fat girl" because I weighed 150 at 5'10" tall. Looking at the pictures now, I would love to weigh that. Realistically, I know in my head that I would feel WAY too skinny at that weight now. Not everyone is born to weigh 110 pounds. The negative feedback I got throughout my childhood because I wasn't a waif left terrible scripts in my head about my body image. I'm just sayin' -- don't judge based solely on a number.

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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 6:03 pm
I'd hate to think anyone is feeling that this show proves women can't reach their goal weight. All it proves is that they can't reach it as quickly as the men can. They're still losing it at a much faster rate than most women would who don't have trainers. Given enough time who knows how far they'll get? We do know that they continue losing a lot of weight after leaving the show. Shouldn't we be viewing these contestants as individual people and not as representatives of all the overweight people of the world? There are different reasons why people carry extra weight. Just because a select group of people on TV got heavy from bad habits doesn't mean they're saying all overweight people have discipline problems or are couch potatoes. This show's about diet and exercise, so they're not going to show people who gained weight due to illness or disabilities. They're going to choose people who became obese because they weren't exercising or eating properly.
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Kiersten_love
Member
08-03-2001
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 8:10 pm
AMEN!!!!!!!! CurlyQ. I agree with you 100%. Again, i will stand by what I said 170 for the ladies on the show is a hefty weight. JMO
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 1:53 am
yes this show has proven that women are unable to lose the weight regardless of strict dieting and excessive exercise. Not one woman has been able to do it. Even when they Know that they are going to be kept track of even after the show. Think about the people from last season...where are their pics if they all have made it to goal weight? Not one woman made it. Been thinking aobut your Suzy comments. Yes she looks like she has a small waist and she seems small busted....it is possible that her excess 50 lbs is all on her lower half. I do think that if This show's about diet and exercise we would be shown diet tips, exercise programs that the various people do. I'd love to know what medical clearance these people had as well. ??? stress tests?? MRI of brains to rule out aneurysms?? Maurice from Season one was Diabetic wasnt he? He hardly lost anything compared to the others. (40lbs??) I felt so bad for him. I recently have discovered from a personal trainer that once a woman has gained a large amount of weight and sits too much they actually Lose their Butt Muscle. When this muscle atrophies, it dies to a degree. No matter how many lunges, stairmaster, jogging, bikeriding-spin classes you do...the muscle never will 'regrow' back to a properly formed butt like before you got fat. it'll tone up but not like normal. Now I know why I used to see slim older women with saggy flat butts at the gym.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 11:08 am
Sunshine said "Not one woman has been able to do it... Think about the people from last season...where are their pics if they all have made it to goal weight? Not one woman made it." Here are their pics: Andrea Dana Kelly Mac Kelly Min Lisa Lizzeth The fact is that the women DO lose weight, they just do it at a slower pace than the men, which is pretty normal for the way our bodies function.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 4:06 pm
Holy smokes, Kelly Min and Lisa are beautiful! They look like entirely different! Wow, good for ALL of them (of course I'm reading about this as I wait for the pizzaria to deliver my ham sub...)
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Sasha
Member
07-22-2005
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 6:52 pm
Here is what I gather about women, diet, exercise, goal weight and flat bums... Women usually think of their goal weight as the weight they were in high school or in college. Unfortunately that is not a realistic goal as hormonal changes, metabolism rate and things like child birth change a women's body composition. Losing weight is approximately 80% diet and 20% exercise. Thus, if you are not eating right, you will not lose a large amount of weight. Exercise also builds up muscle which is heavier than fat. So instead of looking at the scale, simply look at your the size clothing you wear. Women have to incorporate weight training into their workouts especially after 40. Heavy weight training will help shape your butt more than aerobic exercise such as stairmaster, jogging, bikeriding-spin etc. I am unsure if I agree with Sun. But then again I have quite a bit of junk in the trunk so I never worried abot going flat. For a more shapely butt try heavier weight with your lunges and squats. The kickback is a really good exercise for the butt, as many other exercises tend to focus on butt and legs, the kickback focuses mostly on the butt. I would suggest adding ankles weights for maximum butt benefit. If you are incorporating a lot of aerobic activity into your workout and still would like to focus on the butt, I suggest increasing the grade of the treadmill and maintaining a straight posture without holding on the rails for the stepper. In general women tend to use too low of a weight to provide any benefit whatsoever (I assume they are afraid they will appear too masculine). On another note I think Drea looks great. Didn't she reach her goal? As well, it is best to lose slowly - easier to maintain and we are only over a year into the show (approximately 2 years at most maybe??). I like this show not because of the competition but because it does help the contestants improve their quality of life. I just wish that some of the wisdom was shared with the viewer.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 4:59 am
Dana is 147 Thx for the links Max. The fact is that the women DO lose weight, they just do it at a slower pace than the men, which is pretty normal for the way our bodies function. KellyMac 154 kelly min looks big! no weight given Lisa still looks big no weight given Lizzeth is 145 Dre is 150 lbs but is tall and big boned. I'd say she is no more than ten lbs overweight at this time....by far the best results of all the girls!!. The shorter women are basically the same weight for the last year since the show ended. They have not reached goal weight for their height nor have lost the fat that they needed to. A couple of them wont even give their current weight...to me that says it all. ROTFL I am unsure if I agree with Sun You are unsure if you agree that I got that info given by a personal trainer?? guess I am lying eh? At one time I even did tai bo and never got my butt back LOL Ankle weights and increasing grade on Treadmill is just asking for knee ankle injuries for us older folks. I am unable to exercise now though. I'm lucky if I can walk around shopping some days LOL Yeah I know. I'm a grump LOL
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Sasha
Member
07-22-2005
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 8:07 am
No Sun, I am unsure if I agree with the information your personal trainer gave you. I guess I will need to know where s/he acquired the information. Is it her/his personal observation? A scientific journal? Educational seminars? Is it a correlation or a causation? I often do not accept blanket statements without getting all the sources figured out in my head. Yeah I am over critical I guess. If you have knee injuries, I suggest doing some training in the water. Just don't go too deep if you are doing squats and lunges :-)
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 10:59 am
WEll, I think all the gals from last season look great. But then I'm more of a Marilyn Monroe fan than Twiggy. 
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 11:23 am
I agree with Max. I think they all look good!
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 9:03 pm
The show would lose the "meanness" factor if the person who lost the least during the week was dropped unless they won an immunity challenge rather than voting.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 2:34 am
ROTFL you are trying hard Sasha. I am extremely chemically sensitive. I tried doing water workouts but found that being covered in itchy rashes and sores too uncomfortable. Plus, lets just say the other pool people would look at me like I had Scabies or something. I have a physical problem with my joints. The longest I could even 'walk' in the water was ten mins without over a week of misery and excess pain. Believe me, I was really into athletics. Its taken a lot to make me give up. You can only flog a dead horse for so long.....LOL
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 2:41 am
None of those girls are close to the low weight of marilyn monroe. Even at marilyn's heaviest she was no where near 160lbs. If I recall from her Biographical novel she was around 130lbs. This debate isnt about whether the women look good while posing in 'certain' positions for the camera. Nice clothes and makeup isnt up for discussion. Whether they made it to prime weight was what I was discussing. Only Dre is even close. That is a fact. 20 - 30lbs overweight is still unhealthy for a short woman. (unless large muscle mass of course. That was one of the reasons that I did not look so heavy at 170lbs. lots of muscle)
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 9:26 am
I think only the person in question can decide what their personal ideal, most healthy weight is.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 10:06 am
Sunshyne, I'm not going to debate with you whether the women reached their goal or not. The fact is, we really don't know. Perhaps their goal was not necessarily the same as some weight chart that a statistician dreamed up. The fact is, they lost a lot of weight and are now much healthier. I don't know how you can fault them for that. As for Marilyn Monroe, I have no idea what she weighed, nor do I care. What I'm referring to is the way she looked. She had curves. She had a pooch in her belly. She had hips. SHe was not a stick. By today's standards, many think she looked too heavy. Rather than cut down what these contestants have accomplished, why not celebrate it? They all lost a lot of weight. They kept up a healthy lifestyle (as far as we know). They feel better, they look better. They succeeded by their own measurement. I really don't see any point in berating them for their accomplishments. And I really don't care what some chart says anyone should weigh. I know skinny people who are in very poor health and people considered "fat" who are in great shape. Everyone's body is different. If cholesterol levels, blood pressure, and other indicators of a healthy system are good, then the heck with what the number on a scale says. It's how you feel and function that count. At least in my book.
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