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Spoton
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09-16-2005

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 12:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spoton a private message Print Post    
Another point - WHY didn't Andrea give the two pounds to Suzy???? That seemed like a no-brainer. She was the most likely to be affected, percentage-wise, by only 2. Did she know, somehow, that Doc didn't lose much that week? I really don't get it.

Bob2112
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06-12-2002

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bob2112 a private message Print Post    
Her goal was to beat 2 people, not just Suzy, so she had to take a chance. I think that Andrea felt she had a chance to beat Suzy straight up and thought her only chance to be above a second person was to add the 2 pounds to Jeff. Since his weight is the highest, even large losses equate to a smaller percentage. She knew she had no chance with Matt after his bogus weight gain last week and Seth has been solid. Jeff was due to begin a slow down in the weight loss, so she took a chance.

Even though giving the penalty to Suzy would have worked out in the end, I think she made a pretty good choice and should have been able to beat Suzy straight up.


Spoton
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09-16-2005

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 1:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spoton a private message Print Post    
Bob - Well, Big DUH on my part!!! You are so right! See- I wouldn't do well at all in these competitions. LOL!

Beachcomber
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08-26-2003

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 3:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beachcomber a private message Print Post    
The love and respect between Dr. Jeff and his children and especially with his wife was a beautiful thing to behold. What an inspirational man! I was boohooing at his homecoming.

The game is Matt's to lose.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 5:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
I love Suzie's glasses. I got misty-eyed when Matt said Jeff was his 3rd hero.

Was Caroline Rhea the host for the 1st season?

Northwestblonde
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09-01-2005

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 6:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northwestblonde a private message Print Post    
Lilfair wrote 11/15/05: "Eat fewer calories and move. It works! there is no magical spell. Simple as pie eat FEWER calories and get up and MOVE. Most won’t have the quick weight loss we see at the ranch because that isn’t a real life lifestyle but any one can lose weight, really."

That's a huge over-simplification of weight problems, Lil. A large percentage of weight problems revolve around emotional and psychological issues. Eating less and moving is only a small assistance in dealing with weight. If you don't get at the root of why people are eating the way they are, no amount of "just push yourself away from the table and take a walk around the block" garbage is going to work. Do you really think if were that simple we would have the epidemic of obesity that we have?

Woofy
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08-09-2001

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Woofy a private message Print Post    
Ketchuplover, Caroline Rhea WAS the host on season one. But they didn't really know what to do with her. The two "trainers" were portrayed as GOOD and EVIL (remember what a they painted her to be?) and were seen only at training sessions. Caroline did all the warm and fuzzy stuff and it just didn't work. (It fell wrong to have a comedian host the show .. she didn't dare be funny, and funny is what she does best.)

I think the show works better the way they're doing it this season.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 10:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
I love Suzy's glasses, too. They give her a cute Princess Twinkles look.

Scorpiomoon does bring up a point regarding their emotional issues. It would be nice if even one segment of the show was devoted to the emotional aspect of what they're going through.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 2:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    


Lilfair- your comments have upset me. It's really very simple. I've never heard of anyone not being able to lose weight with this simple plan. People won't see results overnight but in the long run people will shed pounds and become stronger and healthier.
Yes you have heard of people NOT being able to lose weight...a number of us in this thread have talked about it. I myself have talked about being athletic and in the gym. I even joined weight watchers at one point and GAINED weight on their diet LOL. It is NOT simple for many people...if it were there would not be so many overweight people in this world who try constantly to lose weight with no "real" results.

It is Not science for some people like Myself and Taterhead. I know my science...and i know that the body goes into shutdown after injury or disability. Also, meds completely wreck the normal metabolism of the body...just as bad as if someone becomes vitamin deficient or hypo/hyper hormone levels. The science is very complex and is not just 'counting calories' and exercise.

I really cant believe Anyone could say this It’s all up to you. Throw away your excuses. to someone with serious permanent injuries!!

Talk about NO empathy GAK!! I sure hope that the person who wrote that isnt a personal trainer or in the Healthcare industry...yikes.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 2:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Max the moderator said Sunshyne,
I'm not going to debate with you whether the women reached their goal or not. The fact is, we really don't know. Perhaps their goal was not necessarily the same as some weight chart that a statistician dreamed up.


I think you misunderstood or I wasnt clear. I didnt mean their "personal" goalweight...I mean the weight that is considered healthy for someone of that height and bone structure. It isnt something a statistician 'dreamed' up..it is a MEDICAL guide for healthy BMI.

We all have different opinions on the subject. I am looking forward to the NEW updates on last years contestants. I saw a blurb on one of the women and Holy Moley she looks fit now!! I guess we are going to see more on the Finale'.
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SIGH, so Matt gorked out on tons of food last week since he had the exemption. He had an artifical weight gain of 15 lbs as he had food in digestion. Matt's theatrics and poor me routine fooled the others into thinking he was gaining instead of losing LOL!!

This week, of course, he is behaving himself. Wha LA!! 26 lbs comes off. Ten legitimate lbs of weightloss for two weeks...but now he has been guaranteed final four. Smart man, he played this game strategically!!

I found it interesting that Matt would talk about having a problem with alcohol this late in the show. If he had a problem with food AND booze I would suggest an addictive personality and he will slide when he gets out on his own. I think he is there to prove a point and win some bucks.

I'd like Seth to win. I think he has had the most profound change so far.

Of course a man will win. No way a woman can loose the fat layer needed to win this show. ((I'd love to be proven wrong LOL))

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 3:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
whoops.......guess I killed the thread Come back.......Come BACK!

Its no fun here all by myself.

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 6:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alisons a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne4u, you did not kill the thread, everyone is out buying their Thanksgiving turkey and cooking their brains out!

I'm telling you, when that drug Byetta comes out approved for weight loss, it will make a huge difference for a lot of people. Hope is on its way!

Jami
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10-08-2003

Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 6:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jami a private message Print Post    
I am pretty sure my doctor has a few patients that he has put on Byetta for weight loss. I have lost 13 pounds in a month on it.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 7:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Byetta?? I will do a search. Overeating isnt my problem. Metabolism is.

I forgot your USA thanksgiving is coming up. We have ours 3rd week in October(nicely spaced between Labour day and Christmas LOL)

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Byetta is not a weight loss drug. It is a serious drug for Diabetes.

There is no way that this drug should be used as a weight loss drug just because it slows the emptying of the stomach. This would make people feel less hungry I guess.

That means that if their problem is overeating It needs to be addressed!! taking A drug for weighloss is just like putting a bandaid on an huge bleeding gash. It is not a long term long lasting solution.

I went to Byetta.com

if a person didnt have Cancer would it be acceptable to give an anticancer med? so they would be nauseous and unable to eat? hey, weightloss through drug use, it would work.

What I am waiting for is the drug that was made and is being tested up here in Canada. Originally developed to shrink the blood vessels in tumors it has been found to have the side effect of melting off the bodyfat in the area it is injected.

it works by shrinking the growing blood vessels in the area of fat. If the fat cells cannot get more Fat packed into them they stay the same. If the fat cells cannot get adequate blood supply then they die off!!

I like the idea that the med would be injected locally into a problem area..such as stomach. I am sure that there would be very strict regulations involved when and IF it ever was released for general use.

Taterheadtwo
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09-29-2005

Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 9:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Taterheadtwo a private message Print Post    
this goes to show you, that some poeple put to much trust in a doc, i advise all to do google searches, lots to see what the med you are taking is, and what possible side effects...people its what you dont know that can really hurt you nowadays.. this sounds like a drug i want to stay waway from, has to be a better choice way to lose weight?wish you luck, i wonder about the long term effects from this drug, i really do?

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 10:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alisons a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne4u, I am a diabetic, that is why I am on Byetta. The drug is currently ONLY approved by the FDA for diabetics.

HOWEVER the drug is so successful in weight loss that it is currently under study for use for that reason alone. WHEN it is approved for weight loss alone, I am predicting it will help MANY MANY people.

Of course everyone should do research and do what is right for them.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, November 21, 2005 - 2:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
THX for that info Alisons. I wouldnt have worried if you had shared that fact.

Although I had my training back in the 80s I have kept up on some of the new breakthrus. Of course this product would be helpful for diabetics to control their weight. Often the weight goes on due to metabolic/ systemic disorder NOT because of poor eating habits. Therefore, once the glucose pathway is affected by the Byetta med, the diabetic body reacts more like a normal body.

Just like hypothyroid people are often very overweight due directly to their hormone level...NOT what they are eating! Once they go on meds the weight often comes right off.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, November 21, 2005 - 2:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
you hit on an interesting point taterhead. the longterm affects of certain meds or treatments. I think of the hoopla around that Fat Substitute that was okay'd for humans a few years ago. Unfortunately it gave people such bad diarrhea that no one would use it LOL

But then again, i was amazed at how many gastric bypasses are done in the USA. that is a major surgery that has very serious sideeffects for some people.

Jami
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10-08-2003

Monday, November 21, 2005 - 4:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jami a private message Print Post    
I am just so thankful for Byetta for myself,,,,it has really made a huge difference in my blood glucose,,,especially my fasting level which I was not able to control.

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Monday, November 21, 2005 - 5:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alisons a private message Print Post    
Jami, I have had great results too, especially that 2 hour after meals number. I have better numbers now than before I technically even had diabetes!

Jasper
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09-14-2000

Monday, November 21, 2005 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jasper a private message Print Post    
Sun - Alison did mention the research but it was back a ways in the thread. Jami and Alison due to your posts I have passed your info on to my mom to check whether they are doing any research here in Canada on this drug sounds like it would be great for her, so my thanks to you.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, November 21, 2005 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I'm not really liking Matt at this point. For one thing, I don't like the strategy of deliberately gaining weight - it seems to fly in the face of the whole program - and then he just seems really cocky and self-assured these days.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Monday, November 21, 2005 - 3:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
As much as I'm rooting for Matt, I can see him winning this thing and then doubling his weight.

Taterheadtwo
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09-29-2005

Monday, November 21, 2005 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Taterheadtwo a private message Print Post    
yes, someone said some time back that he knew that suzy was in thr finals already, so i am guessing , andrea will be the one going this time, and down to seth, mat and suzy, and sigh poor suzy it will be mat a t seth who will win the most so called weight.. i guess hope they do like last season, since they say they are bring all the contestants back( i think all the contestanst, except the arrogant, ego nick reall treid and succeded and losing most of the overweight) i hope jeff will get a second prixe, i fell he lost the most overall, and pete i think deserves something for his selfless act when he paired them up, he could have so easily paired himself with seth are mat, but he took the high road and did a great fair job of pairing, knowing he was going real quick that way, hell i hope they can get a sponser and do some motivational speaches around the usa, at malls, schools...i hope bob and jillian could also go around and motivate during the off season, lol instead of congress doing their perks and pork spending, just think if we could encorauge really encourage a healthyeir usa, less sickness, happyeir and more productive people( ok so im am dreaming but its a nice dream)