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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 8:04 am
I admired how hard Kelly worked each week and the dedication she showed BUT she fell on the last step, she mised steps during the final dance..THAT doesn't deserve a 10. Last I checked, 10 meant perfect not most improved.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 8:14 am
Maybe because of the screwy voting thing they realized that if John won the dance part and Kelly won the fan part there would be a tie...and they didn't have a back-up plan (a dance off?). So they just fixed it so that Kelly would win.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 8:58 am
You could be right, Roxip, but IMO, that doesn't make it any better. It's still bad judging and cheating. If there were a tie, they could just give both teams one of those cheesy tropies, and make a big hype abot how they all were so good. During the first show Kelly was saying she couldn't do turns because she had some kind of back problem or balance problem or something. Obviously not true. I wonder how much of her "improvement" was just show biz to build up suspense.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 9:10 am
Well, no offense to Peterman fans but I am SOOO happy for Kelly I am honestly baffled by the conspiracy theories. To me she is *clearly* a better dancer (as much as I do like the guy) It was nice though to see John's improvement in his first dance. I think they had to give Kelly 10s across the board because she so blew John away. They couldn't downgrade John for the finale so they gave him 9s for a meh performance (which to me was reminscent of Joey's but worse)... then when Kelly blew him away all they could do was give her the 10. She really stretched herself - what an ambitious choreography. And John's performance was disappointing I thought... he lost that great sophistication and his performance was utterly forgettable imo. I was all teared up for Kelly. I really don't understand why many here seem to dislike her so much. I'm not a GH fan and I didn't vote for her body or outfits - or hold them against her.
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Hummingbird
Member
08-21-2002
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 9:14 am
I was surprized at his looks too, Pamy. Swayze still has that great dancer's body but the hair dye job was unflattering -- looked dull and flat. If a man is going to color his hair as it grays, he shouldn't pick such a dark color and the color should have some highlights. The 10's were excessive!
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Danzdol
Member
04-21-2001
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 9:24 am
Go Kelly! I was happy with the ending. My take on it is exactly at YESITSME's post. Will they be doing this show with other "stars"? If so, who do you think would be a good candidate? What changes if any, would you like to see? I will start with the changes. I would like to see 2 competitions, one for men and one for women. It is my strong opinion that the women's role is tougher with all the leaps, jumps and turns which takes dancers years to perfect while the men is more about control, strength and not being sloppy which is easier to conquer. I think that would make it even for me. Women vs women, men vs men. And have them all be even in age as well. I just think it will make the competition more well rounded. As far as "stars", maybe have it be themed as in all soap stars or all sitcom stars, all reality stars (and I use that term loosely LOL!), etc...
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Faerygdds
Member
08-29-2000
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 9:35 am
I tend to agree that the 10's were not given for perfection, which is what we think of 10s as, but rather as a "She performed better than John and deserves a better score than he got" situation. Thus, they gave her 10s which was reflective not of perfection, but of a better performance and dance than John. I was rooting for both teams to be in the final. I voted for Kelly.. and have never watched GH.

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Sue
Member
06-02-2005
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 9:38 am
Yay for Kelly. I was glad to see her win. I did like John but I thought Kelly worked hard thru this and it showed. Love ballroom dancing, always wanted to take it and am hoping there will be another show.
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Sassynegal
Member
01-21-2005
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 10:17 am
LMAO at Darrellh "Wait? Was there a Russian Judge? Give out two trophies!" I didn't vote and thought both were good enough to win but when Kelly got the 10's I was very upset I was sure they were going to rip her apart for the performance and then they said it was perfect - HMM I was dissappointed and I knew when they were giving her the reviews that they were going to give her 10's to tie it up regardless of how she really did - therefore I was disappointed she won - I wouldn't have minded if she deserved it but she was given the competition instead. Yeah she improved alot over the time - but I really don't think she had an off night and didn't deserve the gimme from the judges. GO JOHN
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 10:25 am
Glad to see I'm not the only one who was totally turned off by the perfect 10's being awarded to a dance that had several obvious missteps and times when she was just watching his feet trying to figure out what she should be doing. My first though was ageism -- did they really want a silver haired guy to win or a young, bikini clad girl to win? I wouldn't have minded a Kelly win if it hadn't seemed so obvious that it was set up that way. Even the host commented "America loves a come back story!" Ugh.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 10:40 am
You know, it's not that most of us are AGAINST Kelly - she seems like a great girl and really worked hard to overcome early negative remarks...but John was just so cute and charasmatic and charming throughout the competition that it kind of is annoying that a popularity vote (basically) won it for Kelly. Not her fault though - she certain did a great job. The fault lies in the format of the program - should viewer votes count as much as they do when they are based (a lot) on popularity of the performer as opposed to technique?
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 10:58 am
again, my issue is not that Kelly won - it's that Kelly got a perfect score - across the board!. And the only 10s in the whole series! IF 10s were given out before, &/or IF any of the judges commented that there were a few errors, but they really took a lot of risks, yadda yadda yadda - then maybe at least I'd understand what the judges were thinking for giving that score. But when K&A walked over after the dance was done, you could see on their (K&A) face disappointment because they knew they messed up. I mean to just stop and look over at your partners feet to catch up is about as bad as it could get in a dance competition. That, and being dropped - which did happen also at the end. And here Joey got bashed and low scores for doing an "open" fox trot - although it was executed beautifully and flawlessly. They certainly didn't factor in "ambitious" then. Why couldn't they have just scored 9s factoring in the ambitious routine, but there were obvious missteps? I don't know the usual rules of scoring Professional Ballroom dancing - and I don't know if this show was supposed to follow the same rules. Does anyone know? But in any scoring competitions that I've seen (let's say Olympics for example), you get extra points for difficulty, but you get automatic deductions for errors. So there would be no way you could get a perfect score.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 10:59 am
AARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!! I went to watch my recording of the finale last night on my DVR, selected the show on the list of things I had recorded, and hit delete instead of play! I'm sooooo stupid!!!!
Well, at least I can gain the important parts from you all.
stupid, stupid, stupid
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 11:10 am
I'm glad Kelly won, I was cheering for her since the beginning. I also loved John so I was happy that both were in the final two. Kelly had shown such improvement since the beginning.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 12:08 pm
Maybe it was like in gymnastics and John's routine had a lower "level of difficulty" to begin with? (No, I don't think they thought it through to that level of detail, but perhaps his routine simply didn't allow a ten to be given? I thought the whole show was a fun thing, with people competing in an area outside their expertise and that they all get high praise for the effort and for sticking to it as long as the votes kept them there. It ain't the Olympics (and heaven knows the scoring there is wild and wacky too). Maybe Kelly's routine was out of an 11??
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Seabreeze
Member
09-05-2004
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 12:19 pm
I taped the show and only viewed up to the end of Kelly's last dance. I saw the hesitations and dropping and thought John did better. I don't care who won or whether or not it was rigged. I just enjoyed watching the improvements over time and the performances for what they were: entertainment. They made me wish I could dance like them!
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 12:54 pm
If I had to judge the last dance I would also have given a higher number to Kelly.... which would have had to be a 10. I wouldn’t have ever scored John as high as the judges did along throughout the competition. For me, I thought the judges sucked in their scoring since the start. It’s only fitting that in the end they were fair and scored the last dance correctly…in terms of scoring Kelly’s dance higher. LOL I wonder if ABC ever thought there would be so much internet chatter about their little show. I can't wait for the next installment. I loved it!
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 1:01 pm
I would have been just as happy if John would have won. John was so sweet when the hostess lady asked him (seems like more than once) about how he was going to miss his dance partner and he said he wanted to thank his wife for allowing him to dance with her. His wife was very beautiful too.
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Potted_plant
Member
08-29-2001
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 1:02 pm
fix fix fix. I am totally discusted at the 3 x 10 They should have gone to a tire breaker. That would have been fairer, rather than the appearance of such a rotten fixed vote.
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Gaddy68hotmail
Member
07-07-2005
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 1:24 pm
Where's the cheese to go with this bologne? Can it be any more obvious that this was set up from the beginning? Here's how the headline reads: "Underdog ABC cluts takes on the world on ABC." Talk about home field advantage. I felt like I took a left hook to the kidney from Evander Holyfield when they gave Kelly a perfect 10. A 10 in hotness, but not in her performance. I enjoyed the shows and looked forward to seeing them every week, but the ending just left a sick feeling in my stomach. I actually felt ashamed, as if I were responsible for misleading the public. Hopefully, John and Charlotte were informed prior to last night's show that the scores were rigged and it didn't matter that they were, without question, truly better than the competition. That way, they could take defeat as gracious as their footwork. I think those two were a dynamic duo. It's all about the ratings. I can't blame the judges for doing what they were choreographed, I mean, paid to do. Forget honest, integrity, morals and principles. ABC had the viewers going. The worse part of the whole thing is that Kelly will walk away, forever thinking about how she became champion when the fight was already fixed.
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Jan
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 4:08 pm
On the other hand, we do love a Rocky Balboa story and maybe more people just voted for Kelly for that reason????
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 4:25 pm
My understanding of the rules (from reading other fan sites) is that if there was a tie that they home audience broke the tie. So, Kelly would have won anyways. I honestly would have preferred it this way. Rules are rules. For the scoring, I think John and Kelly's final dances were similar but I'd give the win to John. Sure, Kelly had difficult elements, but Most of them were lifts. It's one thing for a professional dancer to lift a 95 pound woman over his head, another for John to lift Charlotte. There was no way for John to compete on the lifts. And, as everyone has stated a million times already. Kelly missed steps, she simply stopped dancing several times and watched her partner before starting up again, and then the hard landing on her knees at the end. I'm bummed they fixed it. There was really no reason to do this. Honesty would allow the show to last much longer. Fixing the judging will turn off many viewers. They should have just let Kelly win due to the home vote and been done with it. Don't get me wrong, I think Kelly deserves a TON of credit for improving the way she did and being such a stoic under the over the top critiques. But her performance was what it was - not anywhere close to perfect.
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Vee
Member
02-23-2004
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 4:25 pm
Found this article and thought some might find it interesting...
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Kc103
Member
07-13-2004
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 4:46 pm
They just did a piece about her winning on that show "The Insider." I thought it was interesting that they showed the final few seconds of her last performance. You can clearly see some missteps and her almost falling. I think the three 10's were a bit much. Those few seconds of footage clearly show that!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 5:09 pm
You know, I am a bit surprised at the negativity here. They didn't win money or fame or anything. They win a tiny little trophy. The big winners are those who actually took things a step further... Kelly got more flexible and learned how to dance, John lost weight and learned how to dance, Joey learned how to dance and made a lifelong friend in Ashley... This was summer fluff. It was light and easy. This was not a-list entertainment, as evidenced by the judges *and* the contestants.
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