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Tld
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09-15-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 4:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tld a private message Print Post    
One of the things that immediately struck me at the end of last night's show was that Randal's answer about "two apprenti" sounded rehearsed. It was almost like he had thought about this issue previously or it had been discussed with them somehow. Also, I noticed that certain advertisements mentioned a twist at the end, which made you think both would be hired. However, in the tv ads during Joey, Trump said "only ONE will be hired". It made me wonder if they asked Randal and Rebecca what they each thought about hiring the other person and once a decision was made to hire Randal, the tv ads were done accordingly.

I'm not sure whether race was an issue or not, but I do think it is a lot for Trump to essentially ask Randal to "share" his win. Sure, Randal was named the Apprentice first. But, if Rebecca was hired too, they would essentially get equal billing and share all of the publicity after the show. What happens next -- they both come in the boardroom when Carolyn and George are busy? I think it takes something away from Randal's win in that respect. Looking down the road, Randal will not likely be working for Trump forever. He needs to use this for every opportunity he can for his own future and I respect him for that. Trump wanted to come off looking like a great guy, but he should have not left the decision up to Randal. He should have let him relish in his win for a bit and announced later that he would hire Rebecca too, but in a different capacity. Trump now knows what all good lawyers know -- "never ask a question of a witness that you don't know the answer too first". I guess the same thing applies for live television!

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 4:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvmykitties a private message Print Post    
They might have had to edited out Joe Piscipo's help so that they didn't have to pay him rate for appearing on TV.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 4:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I may not be black, so I can never expect to truly sympathize. But I can only give my personal opinion.

I think Randal should have won, based on pure talent. And I personally had no problem with him being the sole winner.

I don't think Trump offered a job to Rebecca because she was white, or couldn't let the black guy enjoy his victory.

But plain and simple, the decision was entirely put upon Randal, and if race had anything to do with the decision, then it is Randal who has the race issues, not Trump or Rebecca.

The only place I've seen race being brought in, is the people who imply that Randal got where he is based on affirmative action policies, and minority business grants. That's terrible, and I find that insinuation offensive, and I'm not even black.

I think the "Why didn't he offer KWAME a second job" argument is misplaced. The show has evolved, and you can't expect Trump to have hired two, in the first season. 4 seasons in, we need the twists, and the multiple firings and hirings are how they did it this season.

It's useless to start a discussion on how good Kwame was, but Bill was just plain GREAT. All the way through, he was amazing, and 4 years later, he is still front and centre with Trump, and I think that says something for the talent Bill has, and why he won hands down.

Like it or not, Randal was the one who made the decision. If skin color came into it, then blame the guy who made the decision, for his attitudes regarding skin color.

In the end, I am still glad Randal won. He deserved the title way more than Rebecca. It is just disappointing that he showed his greedy side.

What's worse, in this "race" conversation, is that if a WHITE person won, and decided NOT to give the BLACK runner-up an opportunity, you "race card" people would all be in here crying racism held the black person down. Plain and simple, you have the chance to give someone an opportunity; by taking that opportunity away, YOU are the smaller person.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 4:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
I agree with you Abby about the stealing, but after seeing 'The Corporation' it is very clear that the operational principles of the corporation give it a highly anti-social "personality": It is self-interested, inherently amoral, callous and deceitful; it breaches social and legal standards to get its way; it does not suffer from guilt, yet it can mimic the human qualities of empathy, caring and altruism. Four case studies, drawn from a universe of corporate activity, clearly demonstrate harm to workers, human health, animals and the biosphere. Concluding this point-by-point analysis, a disturbing diagnosis is delivered: the institutional embodiment of laissez-faire capitalism fully meets the diagnostic criteria of a "psychopath."

So stealing...? not a biggee it seems.

Puttergirl
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08-11-2000

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 4:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puttergirl a private message Print Post    
I personally don't understand why Randal put so much stock in being the only winner. Just look at how much respect Kelly now has as a "winner" and you see it doesn't really mean a thing. What will be important is what he does within the organization now that the game is over and he has to produce on the job. That's what makes his answer so silly to me. After the thrill of "winning" wears away, all you really have is a really great job and allowing the other person to also have a really great job won't take anything away from yours.

I think people's initial reaction to something, as it happens, before they can start thinking about it, says alot. My initial gut reaction was "Oh, how selfish".

As for the race thing... all I have to say is that I loved both Randal and Rebecca from the start. I always thought Randal would win it and would deserve too. But I loved Rebecca's spunk. How many people could of stood up against Trump when he as much as told her she needed to stop supporting Toral? So I was really hoping they would both get jobs. Race had nothing to do with whom I liked or didn't like, and had nothing to do with my disappointment with Randal. And I still like him, just didn't like his actions.

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 4:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
yep, dahli. it does seem to be that way. very sad imo.

Bob2112
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06-12-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bob2112 a private message Print Post    
 As a yellow sponge, I just have to say that I am envious of Rebecca's loofah.

That is all.


Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Why, oh why, didn't Trump just say, "I recognize great things in each of you...and I want you both on my team"?

And if Randal did indeed have time to think this over and prepare himself, why did he think that being selfish was a good idea when he was going to be the "new guy"?

IMO, he was a <55> and Rebecca was a great sport about the slam by Randal.

Oh, by the way, I was a big Randal fan until last night.

Cindy
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09-20-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cindy a private message Print Post    
When Donald asked each candidate which job they would want they picked different jobs. He immediately said "good, that makes my job easier". That's when everyone had to know two job offers were coming in one form or another. They also had time to mentally prepare themselves for that moment.

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
hukdonreality, it was trump who knew (or must have known) that randall would be put in a bad position if he said no. so, why did trump put randal in that position?

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Didn't Randal and Rebecca pay for the mega phones? If so, then how is that stealing? The other team called in the order, but R&R got there first, right? Maybe it was underhanded but I wouldn't call it stealing. I missed some of that episode so maybe I know nothing.
I'm really sad that there might be a race issue, I never even considered it tell I read this here thread. I am a white girl and I do know how racism feels to some degree. If I could I'd wipe it off the face of the earth.
Best of luck to Randall & Rebecca!

Cindy
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09-20-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cindy a private message Print Post    
oops I forgot.. the olympic analogies. Has everyone forgotten the figure skating Dance category fiasco? The Canadian team had clearly won Gold, but somehow the Russians got it. It was investigated and a second Gold medal was issued. They did not strip the russians of theirs. I am not saying it's the same thing. But I am saying EVEN in sports two medals can be given.

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
cindy, that's right. they both had time to mentally prepare. so randal, must have realized (or maybe not)....there could be a bad response. however, trump should not have put him in that position imo.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Trump mentioned a number of times how he admired Rebecca's loyalty to Torral, not just last night, but during the season he mentioned it, too.
ETA: That is why I think he truly wanted Rebecca. Since he had to choose one, he was swayed by Randal's education and success during the show.

I can (and do) blame Trump somewhat, for putting Randal in that position...but Randal certainly looked like he enjoyed putting the screws to Rebecca's possible opportunity. Just my opinion, not looking for any arguments or anything.

Cindy
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09-20-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cindy a private message Print Post    
actually they did 'sort' of steal them. they were calling around looking to buy some. One store mentioned how all their chain stores were sending theirs to one location. The lightbulb went on and Reb and Ran asked the right questions and realized it was for the other team, they claimed to be them and went and collected them.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
But did they pay for them?

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
I can't understand why so many people are so outraged that Rebecca wasn't hired last night alongside Randall, and that Randall didn't recommend her for the other job. I just can't understand it. I'm still waiting for someone to point out at least one time when Rebecca showed that she deserved the job. Just one time. She only had one win on her record (the commercial), and that was because Randall stopped her from wasting any more time with that actor and pushed her in another direction and because Alla and Felisha put so much text into their commercial.

Name one time when Rebecca showed that she was qualified for an executive position with Trump. Being willful just isn't enough. You've got to be able to deliver, and once Randall was no longer there to work with her Rebecca proved she couldn't. She threw an entertaining event, but she didn't raise a penny. If this task had happened in the middle of the season rather than at the finale she'd have been reprimanded and fired and nobody would've given it a second thought. Instead it was just lightly touched on while Randall was berated over and over for not checking the weather forecast. Good grief, last season a woman was raked over the coals just for losing track of a flag. How can not raising a cent at a charity event for pediatric AIDS be overlooked? This is not the first time Rebecca planned an event that flopped.

So why is everyone in an uproar that Randall didn't throw her a bone? Why should she get a job when people more qualified than her had already been fired, and two of them due to her poor management? What's all this talk about greed and selfishness? Was this finale supposed to be a charity event for Rebecca?

I really got the feeling from hearing Trump last night and on Larry King a few weeks ago that he had regrets about firing Alla. Why not offer her a job, too? And why not offer Mark a job, since he was fired unfairly anyway and showed an incredible work ethic in this last task? And what about hiring Clay who was fired with an undefeated PM record after his team lost a task that Rebecca was in charge of? Heck, if you're going to hire Rebecca you should go ahead and hire Markus, too. They were equally effective at getting results.

Personally, I don't think race has a thing to do with Trump wanting to hire Rebecca. I can't help but suspect that it has more to do with his libido and her resemblance to Melania. She brought nothing else to the table and should've been fired weeks ago, and I am baffled that anyone much less such a majority of people felt Randall was selfish for not wanting to share his win with someone who had consistently missed the mark on her tasks.

If Trump really wanted to hire a second apprentice, he should've opened it up to all the fired candidates. Maybe then my feelings would be different. More than a few of them looked disgusted with Trump at the suggestion of hiring Rebecca as well, and I don't just mean the blondes. They knew she wasn't qualified, and it was an insult to Randall to suggest she should get equal rewards.

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
denecee, that why i typed stealing as "stealing". no they did not steal them.

hukdon, i know you aren't looking for any argument. :>) i wish randal had said yes...but imo randal should have NEVER had to decide.

(also, i don't compare twists (or evil doings) on apprentice to twists on survivor, inxs, big brother, etc. but that's just me)

Cindy
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09-20-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cindy a private message Print Post    
I know that's why I said "sort" of. But if you called a store and said listen I have been looking everywhere for ____ in town and can't find one. Oh you have one? Will you set it aside for me, name's denecee, and I will be right over to get it? A few minutes laterI walk in and say hi I am Denecee to pick up ____ (cause I overheard you on the phone) and I buy it. When you arrive at the store and realize what happened you wouldn't think I was dishonest?

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
rebecca and randal didn't wait to get one megaphone (to get it out of display)...because they knew the other team would be coming shortly to pick up THEIR megaphones.

anyway, this is old news and not about the finale. i shouldn't have mentioned it really.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I look at it this way: If I were competing for a job and needed a certain item but could not find any because my competitor was buying them all up, then I would not have a problem misleading the sellers of the item. Although, I would hope that I would only take half of the items.
I just didn't know if the other team had pre paid for them.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I, for one, am not outraged by the whole thing. My life isn't altered one damn bit by any of it...I'm just sittin' here on my computer while a big old snow storm is dumping on my driveway.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Abby7, you can bring up whatever you want about the show, I know I don't mind. I was unsure of how that whole thing went down anyway.

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
i'm not outraged either. just had time today to post about the finale. i know everyone here is just posting their thoughts and not trying to start an argument.

i know that i was so much happier with this finale than last season. i really enjoy the apprentice and will continue to watch.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 6:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Anyone else wonder who ppl were cheering for at first??? I was thinking 'who is Randy?

Randall fits him so much better, it is more stoic and classy.