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Cpmfinster
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08-15-2005

Thursday, December 15, 2005 - 11:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cpmfinster a private message Print Post    
The only thing Randal stood up for was the title of "Apprentice". That's it. Trump had made it clear that Randal was the winner when he said "You're hired". Trump even phrased the question so as not to infringe on that:

"If you were me would hire Rebecca also?"

I think anyone in their right mind would have simply said: "Rebecca would make a great addition to any organization"

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Thursday, December 15, 2005 - 11:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Good grief! What is WRONG with everyone????? Have I fallen through the looking glass, where excellency shouldn't be rewarded over mediocrity?

I am disgusted by what happened on this show, but not with Randall. I applaud his response. It shows what Trump wanted to see, that he IS tough. Why on earth should he have gone through that whole final task if the results were going to be thrown out?! Rebecca was the first candidate to ever run a benefit that collected zero dollars. Toral even had to remind her that there was a charity involved at all. She thought the benefit was for Yahoo!

I am disgusted with Trump for even suggesting that Rebecca was in the same league as Randall. There were candidates sitting on the sidelines who were way more deserving of a job than she was. If it wasn't for Trump's crush on her she never would've been in the final two in the first place. Alla spoke the truth. Rebecca never once showed any real gift for business on any of her tasks. All she ever brought to the table was the overuse of the term "step up." For Trump to even suggest she should also be hired was pathetic. The only thing they could say for her was that she didn't quit when she broke her ankle, and they said that every chance they could. I'm sorry but I've worked with people who were on crutches and they still managed to get the job done, and that was in a job where there wasn't a fraction of as much money at stake. Showing up for work on crutches is no rare accomplishment. How dare Trump spit on all those worthy candidates by implying Rebecca should also be hired! Randall stopped him from making a huge mistake and killing whatever credibility the show still had.

This was a competition. Can you imagine if Survivor ended with Jeff Probst saying "Why don't we give you both a million dollars?" What a slap in the face. If Trump wanted Rebecca that bad he could've hired her. The fact that he chose Randall meant he knew Randall was the best, so why try to hire Rebecca, too? Is she falling on hard times or something and needs the charity? Or is he still feeling guilty for the reward that led to her broken ankle? And why is everyone acting like Randall kicked a puppy? He gave his opinion to Trump when asked, and if Rebecca is as tough as they said then that's hardly a "stabbing." If she's as good as she thinks she is, she'll have no trouble finding work.

It seemed to me that more than just a few of those fired candidates were applauding Randall's remarks on not hiring Rebecca. The people booing were obviously the same people who came to support her. The people who were there to support Randall were probably just as disgusted as I am at this insulting move by Trump.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Thursday, December 15, 2005 - 11:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Dang! I'm glad I am taping the last hour and came here to see what the final result was. Sure never expected this finale. Well, I expected Randall to win, just not the other.

Fine spoiling job, Ketchie and Justfun.

Starman
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07-28-2005

Thursday, December 15, 2005 - 11:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Starman a private message Print Post    
Because if Randall truly respected her like he said he did, he'd let her have the job.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
His exact words were "not today" weren't they? I think his answer was right. Why should his win be diminished? Trump can hire her tomorrow and she won't share his win!

Rvon
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12-11-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rvon a private message Print Post    
I do not think Trump should have ever put Randall in that position. I would have answered it exactly the same. I see nothing wrong in his answer.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Okay, I saw the spoiling earlier, and then watched the show....was curious to see the end, because of what was said on this board....I have to say that first of all, I was surprised that DT asked the question that way, and I was actually impressed by the way that Randall answered it....if anyone here has competed in sports let's put it this way...you have just made it through the regular season, and the playoffs...you played your butt off and won the championship game...the ump comes to you and says "you played a great game, you won....but because the other team was so good, why don't we just call you co-champions?" Well, I don't think so...and if you listened to Randall's answer...he didn't say don't hire her...he said tonight there's just one apprentice.....I totally get it!

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
wow, randal. what a fool. you still would have been the 'winning' apprentice but could have done your first hiring, too! you could have double-scored!!

and i don't think rebecca was 'mediocrity' in any way, shape or form. she would have never made it this far if that was all she was.

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
it would not have been 'co-champions'. they would have been first and second place. randal was the 'winner' but rebecca could have had a job also. they would not be joined at the hip. i'd bet their jobs are so far apart (not just in miles) they'd see each other only if donald threw a big christmas party once a year.
and donald did say how important both jobs were. he just spent 15 weeks interviewing. if he thought enough of rebecca to ask randal about hiring her, donald knew she was up to one of the jobs. randal should have said, "i know you have two big jobs to work on, and i have chosen the one i want and been given it; go ahead and put rebecca on the other project..." it could have been a help to donald!!

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Also, one of the things that Donald pointed out about Randall was his ability to lead with niceness, and it wasn't very nice of him to say anything other than "Rebecca would make a great addition to the organization."
I agree with those who think that Randall really would hire Rebecca. Maybe Randall thought Donald was testing his toughness but I really think Donald wanted to hire Rebecca.
Rebecca will go far in life. She has an old spirit in her that not many people so young are blessed with.
I'm not going to bash Randall as I really liked him but I think Rebecca was equally as sincere with her projects.
Alla was jealous very obviously and I wanted to pull her hair out when she said that crap.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
He didn't say "don't hire Rebecca" and this was not phrased as "first and second place" ....we all need to remember that this was thrown at him, 3 minutes before the end of the show..without a lot of explanation...I still say, my reaction would have been the same...this is a competition, I won, and I should not have been asked if I was willing to share that win at this moment in time.

Sunrvrose
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08-13-2001

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunrvrose a private message Print Post    
The show ended 7 minutes ago here. I didn't dare come near TVCH till it was over because I didn't want it spoiled.

From the moment the show began, I thought it was the best ever. For an hour and about 50 minutes, I was giggling and crying, often at the same time. That's my idea of a great show.

I picked Randal from the first week. Tho why he wants to be Trump's apprentice still confuses me.

I was so proud.

Then I was stunned.

I understand what Curlyq said, but sadly I am with the majority (for once) who said, why didn't Randal say, "Hell Yes!"

He did look bad. He also looked bad when he appeared to be chewing gum while talking to the charity rep.

My Randal made me sad. I hope there is a way out of this.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Wow. I can't believe Randal. How disappointing. I guess Christmas is a perfect time for the dog in the manger.

Whoever said that his future colleagues won't trust him as much anymore, was right. He really didn't impress anyone with that decision; Trump obviously wanted to hire Rebecca, and so he blatantly went against Trump's intuition; again, his future colleagues will not feel safe around him; and it's not like we don't KNOW that Trump was seriously considering TWO "Apprenti" (Randal's word). We KNOW he's not the sole Apprentice, so his argument, about being the only one, is empty.

I have to say that Rebecca just plain smiles too much. I hate those people. They will smile through ANYTHING. Rebecca, it's OK to cry, or look angry (I try to scowl and frown AS MUCH as possible). **sigh** She even went and applauded for Randal as the credits were rolling. I see that as a classier move than all the class Randal showed all season.

Randal WAS the better of the two though. She's young, and I would not have been surprised if Trump didn't offer her anything. I think she was so well-liked because she just wasn't as pathetic or despicable as the rest of the lot.

Thank you for letting me see Chris again!! **SWOON**

If I were Trump, I would watch my back. Randal showed us tonight that he is all about Randal, and will ignore an opportunity to better someone else's position, if given the chance. That guy will NOT be loyal to Trump in the long haul, and I hope Trump puts him in a lower position than Cubicle Kelly Perdew. Cut him the cheque for the 250K, and make him work his hands til they bleed in the mailroom. Trump will hire Rebecca, and I think her loyalty is something Trump likes. Look at George, the guy is a relic from Trump's father's days. Rebecca will stay with Trump for a long time, and Trump will (hopefully) cut Randal loose the moment he gets the chance.

Alla.....dear sweet Alla.....what can I say, other than "choose your bra straps to match your top. You looked like trash tonight." And her mouth matched her outfit. I'm glad she got booed. No class whatsoever.

Soooo......we just *saw* Kendra and Bill sitting in the front row? Did I miss them being interviewed? Does anyone wonder if they're sh-boinking? Just kidding. I'm being silly now.

Great season. Bad ending. Can't WAIT for what kind of CRAP will complete Martha's show next week.

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
i would be interested to see how many of the people at the AIDS benefit sent in their envelopes with donations after the event. they should have gotten their gifts on the way in with the envelopes in them. they could have had a basket to put the envelopes in on the way out.
unfortunately, a lot of rich people don't carry any money on them! they could have sent some later, though.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I agree and now that I think about it feel bad for Randall because besides some of us here, I think the audience was thinking it wasn't nice of Randall to say no. Trump could have said to Randall and Rebecca that he would like to hire them both but Randall would be his first choice so Randall pick your job and I will offer Rebecca the other.

Bonzacat
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07-08-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonzacat a private message Print Post    
Eeyore - Dh & I are stunned. I have been reading this thread's comments to him...

You summed it up perfectly, "Great season. Bad ending"

Randall, shame on you.

And if Trump wanted to offer Rebecca a job, why didn't he continue on and do it?

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I agree. Shame on you, Randall. Methinks you don't want Rebecca as competition in the same company. I see absolutely no loss to him had he answered "yes, I'd hire Rebecca too."

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvmykitties a private message Print Post    
Well I will agree that I think DT was wrong for even asking Randall.

If DT wanted Rebecca as well, he could have hired her on the spot - the same way he fired 2 or 4 people at a time. He doesn't need Randall's approval - especially since Rebecca wouldn't even be working with him.

Now it does make me wonder why DT did that?

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think what MOST OF US are upset about, is that Randal made an unnecessary decision against Rebecca. If Trump just plain didn't give it to her, we wouldn't be upset that she is without the job.

Now I forget, is this downward- or upward-counterfactual-thinking?

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvmykitties a private message Print Post    
I was surprised we didn't hear from any of the previous winners tonight.

Has anyone heard anything about the woman who won last season? I can't even remember her name. What project was she supposed to be on (not that that matters since it seems like they end up doing something different than what they are "hired" to do)

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
My opinion of Randy was changing before Donald's decision was made.

Randy was too hard on Rebecca. The mutual respect that they shared for each other in the loft could have been continued in the boardroom. Randy could have put a good face on without tearing down Rebecca. Rebecca made a few comments in the boardroom that were not necessary too but not to the extent that Randy did.

Randy is for Randy and not for the Donald. Rebecca WILL be an excellent and loyal employee for the Donald.

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
donald could have said, "randal, you are the most qualified, but rebecca also has drive and ambition and i see her doing well if given the opportunity. so, you win the title of apprentice, but i would like to hire rebecca on for the project she was interested in. this is not by way of taking anything from the title of apprentice, which you earned, but i need another employee and rebecca could be an asset to me. she did go through a longer interview than any other of my employees and i have seen how she can work. it would be a help to me..." and then randal could have made the choice to please his BOSS!!!
randal could have even hired her in a joking way by saying, "tonight's my night, but at 8:00 a.m. tomorrow, i think you should offer rebecca a job."

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
And the Oscar for best picture goes to....Schindler's List!

Oh Mr. Spielberg, you wouldn't mind sharing that with Legally Blond, would you?

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 1:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I wonder why Old Don didn't ask Bill Rancic to share his title with Kwame in season one.

things that make you go hmmmmmmmm

Clutterfree
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10-24-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 1:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Clutterfree a private message Print Post    
Kitties, Woman from last season who won I think was Kendra, and yes I would be curious to know if anyone has an update on her!!!

Ironic, last season they really had 2 weak candidates in final position, and this year, 2 exceptionally (seemingly) strong ones.