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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 12:21 am
Frankly, I think both couples have their stereotypes in relation to the one another. Both couples seem rather intolerant. Their kids are much more interesting imo.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 9:58 am
I do think Carmen & Bruno may be somewhat oblivious/ignorant, but I do not see them as intolerant. I see Renee much more intolerant.
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Kiersten_love
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 2:56 pm
<>The only one worth watching getting something out of this experiment, and I am using that word loosely, is Rose. <> I wish they would stop stereotyping and get on with it, and learn something for once. Geez JMO <55>
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 3:40 pm
One can be "tolerant" but still ignorant and Bruno, so far, has shown or repeated so many ignorant stereotypes! The questions to the girl who had dated interracially, for instance. I read on the AOL board (link provided by Mocha) that Bruno is Jewish, but he seems not to transfer whatever experience he's had dealing with reactions, or he doesn't admit to his own ethnicity. I'm not impressed, so far, with either set of parents, but only two episodes, would hope for some growth.. Carmen showed that with her use of words, stressing that one of the students was "black" (well, now, that was pretty obvious), asking a student if he was gay (in front of a group), insisting on buying the dashikis
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 3:57 pm
On the main site (link above the threads) the blogs are interesting..
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 5:42 pm
I asked the ex if he watched, he said a lil bit but couldn't take Bruno so won't be watching anymore. When it first came on and they were showing Bruno my oldest son left the room saying oh heck no I ain't watchin this crap. I watch because I'm hoping the white family will wake up. To me it really isn't about learning about the white experience cuz we learn about that every day and all thru school and we know how to assimilate.
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 7:34 pm
But isn't it more than just learning about each cultures experience? Don't you think Renee and Brian have their own perceived notions and assumptions about white people as Bruno and Carmen have about black people? I've heard Renee make many blanket statements about white people. Btw, one thing that is sort of bothering me about the first eppy. When Brian went to the golf store to try on shoes and the employee helped him try on shoes. I wish Brian would go back to that store without makeup to see what would happen. I'm curious if the employee would still help Brian try on shoes or not. And, if not, that would be such a powerful illustration of the racism that still exists. Is anyone else curious about this?
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 7:52 pm
yes, I am, Wendo .. I also wish that Bruno would go back to some of the places sans makeup to see if there is a difference in how he's treated. Why couldn't he have been in the bar with Brian listening to that pap ... or was he?
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 8:00 pm
No I'm not because he has already said it was the first time someone helped him try shoes on. I'd like to see how Bruno would handle 'driving while black'. But I doubt he'd get it.
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Mak1
Member
08-12-2002
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 8:13 pm
I shuddered when I read on the BW website that Bruno is a teacher. What the hay is a "regular" church, anyway? In my opinion, just from watching the first two episodes and from seeing the two families interviewed on Oprah, it seems like Bruno and Carmen were more interested in confirming their preconceived notions than in listening and learning about another culture. I hope I'll be proven wrong. 
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 8:15 pm
it would be too much to ask to see bruno stopped for dwb
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 9:46 pm
Ladyt, I don't think he was in the bar the first time (Bruno) but I'm pretty sure he'd be agreeing with that good ole boy who was running his mouth
I'd also like for Brian to go back to the shoe store.. I know I've found that I'm always taken by surprise when someone DOES help me on with the shoes. I read some spoiler somewhere that said in episode two that Bruno and Carmen were somehere, in disguise in episode two and she felt discriminated against but he denied it.. but I really don't remember that scene in ep two. I know I am guilty of running tv shows in background mode and missing prts, but I also watched it twice. Yeah, that bit about a "regular" church?? Not to mention if he is really Jewish!! Ladytex.. oh that would be wonderful.. not wonderful, wrong word, but I'd take some satisfaction in Bruno having to experience it.
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Jhezzie
Member
07-05-2001
| Monday, March 20, 2006 - 12:10 am
Has anyone read this article? http://tinyurl.com/fowhx While we all know producers monkey with 'reality' shows, this may be a bit much. Heck, Bruno and Carmen aren't even married. His name is Bruno Marcotulli. He an actor. Surprise. I guess Rose, who's name is either Wurgel or Bloomfield, referred to him in an interview as her mom's boyfriend. Hmm. Zap2it mentioned some stuff about it yesterday. http://tinyurl.com/lexnu Hmm. If they are manipulating it that much, why bother?
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, March 20, 2006 - 7:45 am
Yeah I read that in the beginning that they aren't married and Rose isn't his daughter.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, March 20, 2006 - 8:25 am
Maybe they live together.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:35 am
They are long time companions I think is how I read it somewhere.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Monday, March 20, 2006 - 11:13 am
This show is disturbing on many levels. The white woman annoys and offends me. If anything, Rose has learned the most from this experience. I doubt if her parents will get anything out of it. (sad but true) The funny and ironic thing about them is that they are suppose to be "educated" people.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, March 20, 2006 - 11:27 am
I think it is unrealistic to think that people are naturally going to have the same experiences just by changing the color of their skin artificially. Because Bruno is not black and doesn't have a lifetime of subtle discrimination it is probably a lot harder for him to notice things than it is for Brian. I also get the impression that Bruno is not "Mr. Sensitive" in the first place. Carmen - that woman is just a well-intentioned ditz (IMO). I think she is one of those women who considers themselves so enlightened that she doesn't see how ignorant she truly is. I think Renee does have her own set of "stereotypes" with respect to people of other races -- and can't see them in herself. I think she and Brian were a little cruel when they were privately making fun of Bruno and Carmen. I like Rose and am looking forward to seeing more of Nick. He seems to be ignoring the whole thing so far.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, March 20, 2006 - 12:13 pm
What Roxip said!
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Monday, March 20, 2006 - 1:39 pm
If Bruno and Carmen made fun of Renee and Brian the way that they made fun of them, I wonder what would be said of them? Would they be labeled "racist" for making fun of the black people? Hmmm.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, March 20, 2006 - 2:09 pm
Depends on what they said.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, March 20, 2006 - 2:58 pm
Although I must admit Carmen and Bruno are the types of people I might tend to poke fun of too - they leave themselves so open for it...really - if Bruno had worn that dashiki...I'm not sure that Renee and Brian would have walked in with them!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, March 20, 2006 - 7:18 pm
Jhezzie, thanks for sharing those links..
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 8:28 am
I tried to watch last night but fell asleep after 30 mins. I just can't take anymore of Bruno. Maybe he improved as the show went on last night, maybe not. My bet is not. Lawd Renee and Brian's son reminds me of #1 with the I know everything, you can't tell me anything 'tude.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 9:03 am
I only saw the last half, seems like Bruno already has his mind made up. Seems like Carmen is getting very affected by this experience. She still does haves a lot of "flake" moments, like when she wanted to start playing drums with the black guys...
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