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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 2:12 am
RATS! they switched the times and my TV guide didnt show it. I missed this episode and it sounds like a GOOD one. Will try & catch it on That other channel Cnbc??
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 4:30 am
I want more shots of that gorgeous horse in the opening credits! What kind is he? I can tell by his overall size, and the size and tufts of his fetlocks that he is some sort of draft horse. But his body doesn't seem to have that stout heavy look of a draft horse. He looks sort of sleek to me. What a beaut! At least he was in the episode this time too. Although I could tell at least one of the two snorting sounds he did was dubbed in, cause his nostrils didn't flare, and his lips didn't flutter (not to mention Martha likely might have gotten horse snot on her). .
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 6:14 am
OK, I came back to answer my own question. I found an interview with MS where they talked briefly about her horses. They are Friesians (discussed HERE, about a third of the way down the page). And HERE is a shot of a horse bred at the same farm where she purchased her horses from. I told you that was a beautiful animal!
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 9:56 am
<--- agrees with the beautiful horse videos in the opening credits. But i've always been a sucker for slow motion horses.

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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 4:54 pm
repeat of episode. 5pm Monday CNBC for us West Coasters!
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 6:08 pm
Ms. Stewart insists that her horses be worked (trained? run? whatever the right word is) in the early morning instead of at mid-day because, she said in Vanity Fair, she did not like the reddish color they turned because of the sun and instead prefers their coats to remain quite dark. Ms. Stewart will also appear on Larry King Live on Tuesday night, IIRC, and she will be taking phone calls from gracious viewers of Mr. King's show.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 6:38 pm
Fresians are GORGEOUS horses -- and most are black. Sorry, Ms. Stewart, I don't think the sun "turns" them red! LOL
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 7:15 pm
Maybe this is what she was referring to: From a Friesian information site: "The only color a Dutch Friesian comes in is black, however this may range from very dark brown or black-bay to true black. Many Friesians appear black bay when their coats are shedding or when they have become sun or sweat bleached."
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 8:09 pm
Yes, she was trying to prevent their coats from becoming sun-bleached again so she asked her horse guys not to allow them out in mid-day and to work them in the early morning instead.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 10:41 pm
Poor horses, stuck in their stalls most of the day.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 11:11 pm
Puzz - I'm sure Martha likes veal too.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, October 10, 2005 - 12:08 am
Ms. Stewart insists that her horses be worked in the early morning instead of at mid-day because, she did not like the reddish color they turned because of the sun . Off topic comment from ME! My dog was a beautiful Black flat retriever who LOVED to lay in the sun. Her long hair would go red (sunbleached) at the ends and people would wonder if she was Irish Setter. I was actually reamed out by a lady once when I went to a charity walk. She was upset that I let my dog lay in the sun and RUIN her beautiful black coat. SIGH! I would never not allow an animal to enjoy the sun. It is sad that MS thinks of her animals as status symbols (collectibles) instead of living breathing animals. Just my theory!! and my two cents
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, October 10, 2005 - 12:19 am
well I just learned something NEW. Friesians are called that because their origin is Friesland. Friesland” (“Fryslan” in the Friesian language) is one of the eleven* provinces of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, situated in the northwest of Europe interesting to me as my mom's family are Friesen. Originally the Mennonite family came from this area way back around the 1200s. The low German dialect is very close to 'old english' from the time of Chaucer. I never knew that there was a special breed of Dutch Warmbloods named for that area. Fascinating! Thx for perking up my interest! http://www.fhana.com/Bouma.php
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, October 10, 2005 - 12:23 am
Wish I didnt read THIS however... The voluntary tongue-tattooing became mandatory OUCH
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Monday, October 10, 2005 - 12:50 am
I knew some Dutch people. They told me the Fries people are considered lazy by other Dutch people. That's one of the only things I remember. And how to say "nice girl" and "I am tired" in Dutch. LOL
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Monday, October 10, 2005 - 8:18 am
Horses' coats do tend to become lighter in the sun, much like human hair. There are lightweight sheets you can put over them if they are out during the mid afternoon sun to prevent this, as well coat conditioners that act much like sunscreen.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Monday, October 10, 2005 - 9:27 am
How come Ms. Perfect doesn't know that, Karuuna? Wouldn't you think the grooms would know? I'm sure she does, Eeyore. Blech.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 12:49 am
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 12:49 am
Interesting fact Eeyore. I wonder if they mean NOW the Friesen people are lazy or whether it is a form of racism/ancestry from the past?? I know from our family history that the Mennonites were driven from country after country due to their Pacifist religious beliefs. I can see where reluctance to join in military and moneymaking businesses COULD be considered lazy. Even here in the Prairies of Canada the mennonite men would not fight in the wars so they taken forcefully off the farms and were sent off to work camps in the mountains. It wasnt just the German and Japanese immigrants who were interned. Even mennonites who had been here for generations were taken away. **************** On topic, I have no idea what would be IN horsehair sunscreen but WOW can you imagine how much you'd have to buy to do a couple of horses?? LOL You'd be buying it by the 5 gallon pail!
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 12:13 pm
There are also different shampoos for different colors of horses to try to keep them their natural color.
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 12:29 pm
I have never watched Martha's other shows. I do like the Apprentice and will watch the whole season of Martha, however she seems very stiff and formal, is that just her overall manner? And Alexis? I keep expecting to see strings attached to her, she doesn't see very relaxed, although her personal moment re the cake was nice, I wish she'd be a little more relaxed the rest of the time. And Charles and his cigar annoy me as well, he seems very manufactured. For both Apprentice's I like George best, he seems the most relaxed and natural, Donald always seems to be yelling in his voiceovers. I look forward to more homey challenges from Martha versus the big bucks challenges of Donald's.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 1:13 pm
I think Martha is generally very stiff on all her shows. She also has a very distinctive and for lack of a better description “measured” even toned way of speaking. Though we LOL at how her affected speech seems to diminish when she gets irritated about something! While I don’t like everything about it, I’m enjoying the show as well. It is interesting that all of the tasks so far have been judged solely based on retail sales whereas so much of Martha’s business is dependent on aesthetics?
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 1:32 pm
I think Ms. Stewart would say that sales are related to aesthetics, which is why the pregnant looking wedding cake his past week lost, while the less offensive one had more sales. On her TV show--I may have written this earlier--she told Chuck in week two that she loved his idea to sell massive amounts of tulips because that is the concept behind Marthasflowers.com, but that his business plan (featuring hookerish Dutch girls instead of authentic Dutch aesthetics like Vermeer and Van Gogh) was lacking. Besides, Chuck said, he was more interested in hanging out with Ms. Stewart than anything else. More than anything, Ms. Stewart wants to mass-market "good taste" to the American public. While she realizes some of her stuff is impossible for many people to do--like her overwhelming gardening and some of her cooking segments--she wants to set a high bar that is just out of reach for the average fan but with an aesthetic sense that appeals to a broad swath of the public. The more I write about her, the more concerned I become for myself. I really am an insufferable fan.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 1:52 pm
I enjoy reading your comments Tishala. Can we consider you our resident Martha Stewart expert? Sales do relate to aesthetics, which is why I found Martha’s position in her last show rather curious. She obviously thought that the asymmetrical cake was a terrible aesthetic choice, lacking any sort of common appeal. But she ultimately targeted the people who were trying to sell it – including someone who did not like the cake in the first place.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 2:25 pm
I enjoy your views of Martha as well Tishala. You give me a different perspective of her that lets me see things in her I would otherwise miss entirely. I hear (read) a lot of negative things about Martha, so it sure is nice to see the other side expressed.
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