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Madelane
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08-20-2001

Monday, March 13, 2006 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Madelane a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Bruno, for clearing up the racism problem in America. It's so simple - if you only have a better attitude, be jovial and say "no problem" a lot, there will be no more racism.

AArrggghh.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 11:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Did anyone see this tonight? That white mother reminds me of a couple of <people I know>. I wish she'd get a clue. She still thinks that she's right even after making all those people uncomfortable with her comments. It's all their fault, never hers. Her and Bruno make a pair, I'm surprised their daughter is as well balanced as she seems to be.

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Jhezzie
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07-05-2001

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 1:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jhezzie a private message Print Post    
What's with these people? When is it ever appropriate to call someone you hardly know, 'b.itch'? I'm surprised she didn't go all the way and call her 'ho'. And, please, with the dashiki?!? What's next? Afro Sheen? I do think the daughter is incredibly brave. She is so willing to step way out on that limb, and I was really touched by the response of the other kids in her class. I sure hope her loon of a mother didn't ruin things for her. I do think, though, that these adults wouldn't get along if they were all black or all white. Bruno makes me want to throw things at him.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 2:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think Bruno is (and probably will remain) clueless. Carmen seems to jump before she thinks.. I WAS surprised that the producers had put "b!tch" on her vocabulary sheet.. were they trying to start something?

And Yes indeed Brian was controlling himself when he was bartending and listening to that fool expound on why his neighborhood was so safe. And later his wife had to hold back (as anyone would if they didn't want to go off on the guy) when the redneck guy was expounding on his views of race/racism.

The white daughter is clearly getting the most out of and putting the most into the experience, so far, and that alone may make it worthwhile..

Thankfully they didn't wear the dashikis to church.

As for how they acted in church, I'd give them a pass for trying to just get into it. Bruno, again, was clueless, though.

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 2:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
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I find this show to be so frustrating for a variety of reasons. But mainly, I don't find any of the parents (black and white) all that appealing. I have enjoyed watching Rose, but Nick we haven't really seen much of yet.

Bruno and Carmen seem to have led very sheltered lives with little experience in other cultures and it shows. I think Carmen used that b-word because of the stereotypes that continue to be perpetuated in the media (tv, movies, etc.) However, I do agree that it was rude to say to someone you don't know irregardless of the fact it was said in jest.

I also didn't understand the need to dress in the dashiki's for church (though they ended up not wearing them.) What I don't understand, though, was why didn't Renee say something in the store about it? I mean, they are there to teach one another about each other. Again, the dashiki situation seemed to illustrate Bruno and Carmen's ignorance of other cultures.

The whole meeting with the poetry group situation with Carmen was just bizarre. She seems to lack sensitivity towards others; not just black people but all people (ie: asking the boy if he was gay or straight.) It's as if she's missing that trait in how to act and behave in a group of people (especially a group of people you don't know.) Referring to the woman as a "beautiful, black creature" was just insensitive. And, it did appear to make the group uncomfortable.

But, like Bruno and Carmen, I don't find Renee and Brian all that enjoyable either. They make blanket assumptions and judge others as well. If anything, they name called just as much during tonight's show (ie: calling the others classless and making fun of them about the dashiki's.)

Renee closing down at the end seems contraindicative of the whole point of the show. Is it so difficult to remain open minded and try to educate people? She said she forgave Carmen and let the b-word incident go and yet, it was apparent that that wasn't true. For all their posturing, they seem incapable of truly seeing both sides of the issues.

I also found their comments about how Carmen and Bruno enjoyed the church service to be rude and overly critical.

So far, the most interesting person in the show is Rose, Bruno and Carmen's daughter. She is truly taking this experience to heart and trying to step outside of the boundaries she's used to existing in. It's rather extraordinary that she is Bruno and Carmen's daughter because she is so intelligent and sensitive to others. However, it does speak at how well Bruno and Carmen have raised their daughter. So, they can't be that bad, right? LOL!

Nick, Renee and Brian's daughter, hasn't really been shown much so I don't really have anything to say about him at this point. Seems as though he plays more of a roll next week.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 5:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Oh I totally agree with you Ladyt.

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Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 5:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    

quote:

Is it so difficult to remain open minded and try to educate people?




Yes sometimes it is.

Oh and I think the producers put b*tch on the paper to get a response and they did.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 5:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I'd also like to suggest that people read about this show on some of the black boards just to get a different perspective and besides you can say what you want there.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 8:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I think Brian & Renee were too hard on the church behavior. Bruno was being Bruno and there were plenty of other people doing the same thing he and Carmen were doing.

And why didn't Renee help Carmen not get the dashiki and help guide her to something more appropriate? She has nerve to criticize her after she was right there with Carmen when she bought it.

Carmen may be somewhat misguided, but she was not meaning to insult anyone. Why can't Carmen see that and try to explain to Carmen why the "yo b*tch" was not a term of endearment. I truly believe that Carmen thought that it was a term of endearment. Carmen was not actually calling her a b*tch. And Renee just can't seem to let it go.

I am kind of disappointed that Renee is just "giving up" on Carmen. I think Carmen has a lot to learn and Renee could really bring her a lot of insight if she tried. I *think* Carmen would be willing to try.

Carmen was strange for sure when she tried those so called poems, but again, she was not trying to insult anyone.

Mocha, in a nutshell, can you tell us what perspective the black boards have regarding this show?

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
No one should have to explain to someone with good common sense that saying yo b*tch isn't appropriate no matter what color you are.

No Jb I won't. You have to read it for yourself.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 8:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Well if they put b*tch on the paper, why wouldn't Carmen think it would be okay to say?

If you want people to be informed, why not help inform them? Perhaps provide a link.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Because she should have some common sense that's why.

And because sometimes you have to do things yourself, make the effort.

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
I get the impression that Nick was not keen on this experiment and is just going to "go through the motions". I agree, Rose is getting the most out of this (and it really shows). I hope her new friends will still accept her when the truth is revealed.

'squeek'

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
Well, I'd be interested in reading other perspectives Mocha. However, if you could provide a link where one could read those perspectives it would be helpful. As is often done here, a link to another site is typical.

When there's something I'd like others to see and/or read on the internet, I provide a link to it.

Is there a reason why you won't provide a link to these other opinions about the show?

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    

quote:

(quote: Is it so difficult to remain open minded and try to educate people?)

Yes sometimes it is.




But isn't that why they're on this show? To be open minded and offer perspective to the other family?

I mean, it's only the second episode and already Renee is giving up communicating.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Yes I'm being lazy. :-) One site you have to join to read. Let me check on some others.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
This sounds so interesting. I'm going to watch.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
For BET and AOL you don't have to be a member but for Uptoparr you do.


AOL’s Black Voices

Uptoparr

BET

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    

quote:

Well if they put b*tch on the paper, why wouldn't Carmen think it would be okay to say?




umm, because regardless of your race it's rude and insensitive? because it's another instance of Carmen being Carmen?

And Renee did try to steer Carmen away from the Dashikis ... she kept saying "I wouldn't wear that". And why would she think that blacks wear dashikis to church? I didn't think there was anyone honestly that naive. Does she not watch TV?

Renee and Brian are not the most open minded, but they have shown great restraint.

Seabreeze
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09-05-2004

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seabreeze a private message Print Post    
I have been to a predominantly black church(coworker/friend's church) down near my job and an hour away. It is a surburb of NYC and the ladies there did wear ethnic clothes-very dressy, colorful African inspired designs which were similar to what I saw on the net under dashikis. maybe it is a locale custom? maybe it is for special church occasions like funerals, wakes, weddings? I don't know. I've seen them wear these gorgeous clothes at a funeral and a memorial service. Similarily, I have been to other churches and see black women wear white suits or pretty pastel dressy suit outfits. These ladies dress up more than white ladies I know.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I agree that Renee DID try to steer Carmen away from the dashikis.. As Rose said in her comment after they showed Carmen talking to Rose's classmates, Carmen is sort of a loose cannon at times (well those weren't her words, but..)

I don't find Renee and Brian to be all that open to Carmen and Bruno, but Carmen and Bruno can be pretty clueless

As for the dashikis, if you watch Starting Over, and see Iyanla's variety of attire (some of which was actually sponsored by a certain clothing store in season 2) and how she stresses ethnic dress in some of the makeovers of her clients on the show, then you might expect to see more of that attire at that church. However, I personally would have relied on Renee's advice as to what SHE was going to wear there for the first time. Renee did try to tell her. And also they are in a reality show trying to pass, but it isn't any part of their heritage, just something she wanted to use as a costume. I was quite relieved to see what they actually wore to the church.

As for their actions in the church, I guess it would partly depend on how they act in their regular church (if they attend).

Thanks for the links, Mocha.

Seamonkey
Moderator

09-07-2000

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 6:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Well I'm put straight on one thing.. on the aol board someone mentioned that Bruno said in a "regular" church they don't dance and clap, so clearly he was either a long-repressed clapper and dancer or.. well we all saw him.


He's just FULL of ignorant sterotypes and seems proud to show them off on camera

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 7:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
I really liked the linguistic coaching stuff last night, and how one of the Black men (can't remember who) said there is "Black Talk" and "White Talk."

I can remember, probably when I was a young adult (or maybe a teen) saying something about a man on the radio and how I said he sounded Black. My Mom got so pissed off at me and said there was no way you could tell the color of a person's skin by the way he talked. I remember trying to say he had a "Black accent." Mom was nearly livid with me and just insisted I was full of it. I remember being sort of perplexed cause it was just sort of one of those things you just know/learn while growing up, like how a peach smells, or what a bird sounds like, or whatever. Nothing good or bad about it, just relying on one of my senses to identify something. And yet here was Mom telling me how wrong I was and how there was no such thing as a "Black accent." BTW, we were in our own home, and nowhere near anyone who might have been offended by my observation at the time.

So at least last night sort of validated for me that you can sometimes tell by the sound of a person's voice what ethnicity they might be. Sometimes of course, not all the time.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, March 17, 2006 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Yep you can sound black or sound white but it's really more bout the tone of your voice and speaking proper sort of. When I first met thex I told him he sounded white but it was that midwest accent he had. As I kid I was told many times that I sounded white because I could talk proper English, that private catholic school education. But I do talk differently around my brothas and sistas then I do when I'm in my professional environment.

It's all about gettin by.

Madelane
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08-20-2001

Friday, March 17, 2006 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Madelane a private message Print Post    
I can't believe I'm going to sort of defend Carmen here but...

Lots of people say "bit**es" these days to their friends. Have any of you watched the Simple Life? Paris and Nicole said it endlessly, usually to total strangers. It was ridiculous and annoying and they got a lot of surprised looks, but it kind of caught on, because I hear people say it all the time now, just like That's Hot.

I will say it sometimes, I admit. Just the way Carmen used it, I will walk up to a group of girlfriends and say Hey Bit**es and they laugh. Or vice versa. So, I just don't think it's that obvious that it was offensive. She didn't mean it badly and honestly thought it was OK, and they should have let it go.