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Sasha
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07-22-2005

Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 3:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sasha a private message Print Post    
I think the show is edited to make one think that they are working out at a high intensity immediately after living a sedentary lifestyle. Because I agree they will burn out and actually harm themselves if they start off full force with the exercise. For example my friend who worked out for 90 minutes five times a week did the following:
- She went on a circuit (similar to Curves but without the cardio component) and used little to no weight on the hydraulic machines. (~approximately 30 minutes)
- She did water aerobics for 60 minutes (she started with a course called FlexEase and gradually build up to a FlexExercise program). Eventually she mixed it up by doing land aerobics such as step and boxercise with a toning component.

She did work up to the exercise but it was more the intensity than the duration. I think since she was previously very athletic, helped her greatly.



Happygal
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11-15-2004

Monday, September 19, 2005 - 2:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happygal a private message Print Post    
Re: large weight losses in 1 week:

At one point in the show I think it was mentioned that they were at least 10 days in before they did the weigh-in... might explain the larger weight losses. As well, last year there was one week were the losses were quite large and there was a disclaimer at the end of the show that said that 2 weeks had gone by between weigh-ins.

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Monday, September 19, 2005 - 4:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scorpiomoon a private message Print Post    
I think the show is edited to make one think that they are working out at a high intensity immediately after living a sedentary lifestyle.

That's a good point, Sasha. Now that you mention it, it would make sense that, soon after they were cast that they'd even begin working with a local trainer to get them prepared for the show.

I'd love to know if (or what) preparation they go through before arriving at the ranch.

Meagain
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07-20-2005

Monday, September 19, 2005 - 8:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meagain a private message Print Post    
Happy - thanks for the clarification.

Some appeared able to do multiple pushups, etc. Given the massive weight of these people - that's impressive. I wonder if they choose people that have good muscle tone to start with.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 6:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
Anybody watching tonight?

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 9:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
I guess not.

Brief synopsis:

Large people lost weight. Wrestler guy hurt himself.

Trainer lady threw fit about fat steak. Went off on and called him a girly guy.

Women lost less. Woman with leg brace sent home.

Said she was not there to make friends.

Looked like she didn't lose much more weight after the show.

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 10:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scorpiomoon a private message Print Post    
See? This is what I mean. Why would Jillian challenge a bunch of guys over 300lbs. to beat her at a sprint?

And what's up with that Nick guy? Why was he even cast?

I really freaking hate it when someone comes on a reality TV show like this and says, "I didn't come here to make friends."

Hello? Part of this show is to keep yourself in it. And you have to be liked by the others to do that. So, you'd better want to make friends--even if you have to fake it.

I would love to see all the footage they shot of Jillian getting angry. I wonder if that situation was as bad (or worse) than it came off as being.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 11:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
SM, in Jillian's defense...I really don't think she thought Wrestler guy would try so hard he'd hurt himself. That guy was really sprinting and his legs couldn't take it. She had to know he was competative, he was a wrestler for god's sake...but still, I'm not sure she thought he would go all out. None of the others did.

Is the Nick guy the one that Jillian got so pissed at? He did have it coming, but there is always someone that thinks they are there for a free ride. Jillian caught him at his game, and as tough as she is, she wasn't going to allow that. He was sabotaging the other guys...so in essence, Jillian thought he was trying to win the game without ever losing a pound...just make the other guys fatter! LOL!

Even on last weeks previews for this week...they showed Jillian much more upset than they showed tonight. They probably did edit it down some.

All in all, I like this season so far...much more personality than last season.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 11:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
So far, two people have been injured, and it looks like at least one is badly injured next week.

Something is wrong with this programme of diet and excercise.

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 11:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scorpiomoon a private message Print Post    
I'm right there with ya, Nick. I'm enjoying this season as well.

You made some valid points. I think you're right.

Sasha
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07-22-2005

Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 5:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sasha a private message Print Post    
Although I am also enjoying this season, I found the fight between Jillian and Nick a bit scripted. I never saw the previews but what was aired last night did not appear to be a natural argument.



Seabreeze
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09-05-2004

Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 7:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seabreeze a private message Print Post    
I think it was heavily edited.

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
Folks going from high calorie eating/sedentary lifestyle into strict low calorie and lots of exercise will lose much more weight the first week (i.e. as their bodies use up stored glycogen because intake of carbohydrate is less than what is utilized by their body during exercise, the body releases stored water as well). This happened during the first show - someone lost 22# the first week and actually gained 2# the second (replaced lost water).
If caloric intake is restricted to levels below resting metabolic rate, muscle will NOT be gained.

And of course everything on TV is heavily edited. They've had all summer to put it together.



Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 7:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
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I'm so glad they got rid of Nick! Man, get that smug, arrogant, face of my TV! You could tell by his after TV clip that he never really bought into the concept of "losing" weight while at the ranch. If anything, he looked like he had gained more weight when he went home. Good of Jillian calling him out last week.

As for the rest, they really seemed blah this week. It's like the weight loss is starting to take it's toll and they are losing their personalities.

LOL @ Suzy for drinking 48 shot glasses of milk shake. The look on her face when she realized nobody else had drank any was priceless.

Dee
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08-08-2000

Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 9:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dee a private message Print Post    
Nick, the men lost?

That's surprising - I thought it was easier for men to lose weight because they don't have any Time of the Month issues.

I'm on the West Coast so haven't seen tonight's show but I saw it last week. I can't believe the trainers/doctors allowed people morbidly obese to run when they aren't used to exercising. I would think the doctors would have recommended more low impact exercises, such as swimming.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 9:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Men do lose weight faster than women. That's why they're going on percentage of weight lost, not the total number of pounds.



Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 10:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scorpiomoon a private message Print Post    
LOL! Jillian must have been thrilled when she found out Nick was eliminated.

Man, I would love to know what crawled up his butt. What a totally bitter, negative person he was. And his lame attempts at humor didn't make him come across any better. Bleh.

It always makes me sad to see, when its men vs. women, men seem to build a tighter bond with each other. When Ryan got back from the hospital, none of the women really greeted her. When Pete got back, all the guys cheered.

A last minor gripe: I know there are a lot of people on the show and it would be impossible to focus on each one in every episode. But I'm already getting tired of the focus being on the bigger personalities and little air time given to the others.

When the guys were talking about the weigh in and they showed a clip of Seth saying how he was the smallest and would probably go home, I was thinking, who is this guy? I don't remember seeing him before. There's a couple of women who don't have much of a presence either.

Cablejockey
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12-27-2001

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cablejockey a private message Print Post    
I thought it was too bad that the women dont seem to be bonding as well as the men. That woman who came back from the hospital, walked into a very unwelcome atmosphere.

Avrey258
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06-23-2002

Monday, October 03, 2005 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Avrey258 a private message Print Post    
Yep, I too wish things would hurry up and change, in regards to women bonding. I will say that if women could stop being so competitive about stupid things like who is the prettiest, who has the biggest arse...you know the crapola we'd have a lot more time for the important issues.

I do think there is a lot to be said for the team thing. If women never learn to be team players and support each other then we will continually be running in place..o.k. end of rant. Sorry bout that but it still irks me how much things stay the same.

Alright. I think last years show was cheesier,(is that a word?) however, there was a certain sweetness to it also. My daughter and I watched it together until she left for college and we really liked that the members were supportive of each other. I feel like they are trying to instigate more drama this time and more temptation too.


Secrey50
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09-15-2005

Monday, October 03, 2005 - 12:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Secrey50 a private message Print Post    
I think I like the teams better mixed though, both men and women. Seems a little more equal.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Monday, October 03, 2005 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
Last season there was alot of debate about it not being fair to the women when it became an idividual game, because women lose weight diffently than men.

I think this season they may be trying to make a point that women can lose weight as well as men...only thing is, it doesn't seem to be turning out as they had hoped....

And with all the injuries. If nothing else, this season has been a bit more physical so far...and we are only a few weeks in...it wasn't until about half way through last season that they started having big numbers.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 8:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    


Meagain said I was dissapointed the first show didn't expound on the workout program. Also, I don't care if they're working out 5 hours a day, I find it unfathomable someone can lose 28 pounds in 1 week. I could see 10 (lots of water loss), but TWENTY-EIGHT? I don't see how this is physically possible.
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I absolutely agree. Someone in a previous post said that the First episode Eating Binge was done so that the First weighing would be artifically elevated. Weigh yourself before and after eating supper and drinking some fluids, it is amazing. You can easily gain ten lbs. These are BIG people with BIG stomachs and intestines. They will be able to pack in much more than ten lbs of food for digestion.

I'd guess that the second weigh-in was more likely the person's REAL weight. The first weigh in Weight would be Minus the extra water and food eaten. That would drop most of the contestants about 15-20 lbs for the first week.

ALSO it is bogus to suggest that women and men lose weight at the same rate. Last season we saw the women all plateau off at a certain weight. Only the africanamerican woman slimmed down to a medium build...the rest were still huge and obese at the end (in my opinion being 50lbs overweight is obese)

I think the producers are desperate for a woman to win the show this season. I bet there was lots of flack about women not having a chance to win.

For instance, a man who is 300lbs and should be 185lbs has much more to loose than a woman who is 220 lbs and should be 120 lbs.


Man is 115 lbs overweight....62% overweight.
Woman is 100 lbs overweight..83% overweight.

If I calc it out differently based on their goal weight it still puts the man at a HUGE advantage. Man 38% Woman 45%

The only way a woman will win this game is if the women band together and eliminate the men. Could happen (wink wink)


Dee
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08-08-2000

Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 8:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dee a private message Print Post    
Thank you for posting the percentages. I'm lousy at math but it still seemed men have a bigger advantage.

I'm still trying to figure out losing 28 pounds in a week! The most I've ever lost in a week (without being very ill) was last week when I lost 16. I can't IMAGINE 28 pounds.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 9:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
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Wow! Ryan looked great in her post show pictures! I kept wondering if that guy with her was her husband or did she hire a trainer outside of the show.

The blue team is definately falling apart as the red team keeps feeding of each others highs.

Would you have taken the risk of losing your trainer? I tend to think that I wouldn't...and I was dubiously thinking those weren't real gold bars. One real gold bar is just about as much as you want to carry at one time, much less three or four of them.

All in all, aside from the cattyness, a decent show and some of the personality has come back this week. I give it a B.

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 10:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scorpiomoon a private message Print Post    
Wow! Ryan looked great in her post show pictures!

You are so right! She looked awesome!

I can't believe these women!

Did you guys catch Suzanne's statement: "I work with criminals, murders and thieves in NYC every day and some of these women could teach them a thing or two about manipulation." WTF? That was a little over the top. I hope she'd gone soon because I think she's the reason why the women are so divided.

I don't know if I would have taken the money over a trainer. I think I might have and then tried to reason with myself--telling myself if I did it, I'd bump up the workouts and work even harder than if I did have a trainer.

When I saw the women who did win the money just lying in bed, I couldn't believe it. Had it not been for Matt agreeing to let them in on his session, I wonder how hard they would have worked out on their own.

It was pretty good episode.

I can't believe, after next week, the show will be preempted for four weeks. Crap.