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Surfgirl
Member
10-11-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 7:16 am
Ok, I honestly loved Randall from the get go.. as I am sure many people did. He was ( in my eyes)one of the most likeable nice guys in reality Tv history. He was humble and never showed a "better than you" attitude.. till tonite. I was watching and am sure like others started to get the feeling that DT liked 'em both so well..was hoping he was going hire both. I really felt Randall deserved to win, I felt this from the beginning .. in fact he was the best player ever and I think DT relized this and if Randall wasn't in the game Rebecca would of been the clear winner so in his eyes and others he seen Randall as a clear winner so why not bring Rebecca along because she was a awesome player. The way Randall portrayed himself this whole game, he came across as the nice guy that would do the right thing.. I think DT was counting on that. I seen tru Randalls BS from the start of this show when he asked the preivious contestants to raise there hands to vote him.. I was shocked! I have a feeling Randall watched the show seen how well loved he was and it went to his head.So when DT asked Randall " the nice guy " to hire Rebecca . instead we got the "ego maniac Randall" that watched all the shows we did and let it rule his ego. I wanted Randall to win .. when DT offered the chance to bring along Rebecca I was in tears.. knowing Randy would of course do it.. then to see he didn't ... Well I lost all respect.. I hope he ends up managing Alla's strip Club.
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 7:18 am
I was wondering that too about the envelopes. Well, Rebecca was just on The Today Show and Yahoo offered her some finance job. So, there Randal!!
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 7:26 am
So much for embarrassing Yahoo 
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 7:26 am
I liked Randal but he often looked like a deer in headlights and made his share of mistakes when he wasn't PM. I'm not so upset that he said no to giving Rebecca the other job as the egotistical way he did it. Personally I would have proudly claimed my title as the Apprentice and welcomed the chance to give Rebecca a job too (because she was responsible for some of his succes in this game). I loved the way Rebecca carried herself for someone so young and wish her all the best!
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 7:35 am
Just wanted to add that Katie Couric said the NBC switchboards lit up when Randal said that. Rebecca also said that if she got the job she would have told DT to hire Randal too. She has been nothing but professional and has said nice things about him. No one could call her a sore loser.
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Seabreeze
Member
09-05-2004
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 7:44 am
I just listened to Randall on the IMUS radio show here in NYC and he was asked why he did not say Yes to rebecca. He said there is 1 apprentice and why was it okay not to hire Kwamme also when he was up for the position. It sounded like he was making a racial thing out of it. I was so pro Randall but not now.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 7:44 am
As much as I would have LOVED (actually more like expected) Rebecca getting the other project she wanted, I have to agree with the World Championship analogy. If Randal were an Olympic contender, and had to over come a very strong competitor to win the gold, would anyone fault him for not wanting to shrare the gold medal with the silver winner? If an Olympic official was dumb enough to ask Randal to agree to share the title as gold medalist with his competitor, would people be stunned if Randal said no? Would Randal still be considered such a heartless, selfish, backstabbing jerk? Would others be asking him what would he have lost by sharing his medal with such a strong competitor? Why would it not be expected for a gold medalist to share his title, yet fully expected for the Apprentice to share his? As disappointed as I am that Rebecca didn't get the other project, I can't really blame Randal for wanting to keep his victory to himself.
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Idolworship
Member
05-07-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:03 am
Two things: Randall didn't have to say "yes," or "no." He could have easily just said. "Rebecca is an outstanding candidate, and well-qualified for any job which she is offered." If pressed, "That is entirely your decision, Mr. Trump." He would have still looked like a hero, by supporting Rebecca, but tossing the ball into Trump's court, where it belonged. Secondly, he played the "dead grandmother" card, at least one too many times. Oh yeah, there's a third: His "five companies." Were/are they Government-sponsored, or private industries, started with his own capital? 'Not fond of his selfish side, but I guess no one is perfect.
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Starman
Member
07-28-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:05 am
This is not the Olympics. This is ultimately for a job....and for two projects! DT runs the show, not the Olympic committee. In a week, all this glitter is going to fade and Randall's going to have a JOB. He basically took an opportunity away from Rebecca, and she clearly deserved it. "I have two stars here".
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:07 am
As a business person, Randall should have hired Rebecca if she was truly as competent as Trump and pals said she was. This is not the same as other kinds of competition, in that the purpose of business is to be successful and to be successful, you must have a wealth of quality people. If it's like a sports analogy, it's more a team than individual competition. Once the Apprentice is over, you're back to being part of a team. The more high quality teammates you have, the more successful business you have. If Randall had the Trump organization's best interests at heart, he would have said, "absolutely, hire all the quality people you can get."
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:08 am
I wasn't necessarily on the Randal bandwagon from day 1 (something just seemed "off" but not sure what). But I did jump on, at least to the point where I thought he'd be in F2. Last night, reading the spoilers here, I was pretty much appalled at Randal's response to Trump's final question. I was not impressed with Randal. Just now, having finished watching the show, I am even less impressed. To me, he was overly aggressive. There was no need to be so critical of Rebecca (I am seriously tired of hearing "I have a 3-0 record, she has a 1-2 record. Big whoop!). Rebecca showed a lot of class by NOT disrespecting Randal or his accomplishments. I cannot say the same about what Randal said. I am really disappointed in this man. I think his ego is out of control (the way he said how everyone there wanted him to win). He railroaded every positive comment Trump made about Rebecca. I think Rebecca is gonna be the true winner here. As we all know, Trump's apprentii [sic] are really just his publicity minions. More or less. I think Rebecca will prove to be a formidable executive in her own business, and will continue to be a successful woman. Randal. I'm still not sure what it was about him that kinda set my teeth on edge, but last night's show sealed the deal. Ick. And Alla? She reminds me of the kind of woman who just plain does not like any other woman who could be perceived as a threat. The way she stomped all over Felisha in her final boardroom, the way she talked about Rebecca on the last show. She reminds me of the kind of woman who, when another attractive woman walks into a room, will immediately go over to her SO/BF/DH and grab his arm, and turn him away from said attractive woman. And FWIW, I do not think Randal would've had to share the limelight. He was the winner, there was no doubt. He could've shown some class and integrity and said yes, I would hire Rebecca. That's HIRE her. Not share the TITLE with her.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:15 am
Oh yeah... the sign of a good manager is to hire the best people you can find. They will make YOU look better. And you can groom them to take your place as YOU move up the ladder. But always, always, hire the best. I guess Randal missed that lesson while earning his five degrees.
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Ocean_islands
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:25 am
It's sad the show ended on this note, especially the show which hired the first African American. There is no one to blame for it except Donald Trump himself. He made his own organization look bad, his hirees look bad, and the show look foolish. Unfortunately this will never go away, Randall will always be blamed for something he didn't cause. Can you imagine if Lance Armstrong were asked if he should share a gold medal or something? It's ridiculous. Randall could have had a much more gracious response, even a response that basically was 'no'. But he never should have been put in that position. It was really a lose-lose scenario and Trump should have known better. As it is, Randall cannot even push it all back on Trump, because that's now his boss.
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:33 am
But Randall wasn't asked to share his title so not sure why people keep saying that. Trump only asked if he should hire Rebecca too. Like other's have said. He could have said "yes, tmrw morning at 8AM" if he didn't want to share the limelight with her. Anything would have been better than the speech he gave.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:34 am
No its not the Olympics... but both the Olympics and the Apprentice are highly competitive arenas with a coveted prize at the end. The fact that they are different competitions doesn't negate the fact that there can be only ONE first place winner....and why would any first place winner be expected to share? Don't get me wrong, If I was Randal, I would have said yes to Trump...in a heartbeat. But I've never minded sharing... Obviously Randal is a competitive person who doesn't share his victories. He was under no obligation to share his Apprenticeship with another, and he chose not (a choice that Trump gave him). Just because his decision was not what I, Trump or others would have done, doesn't make him a bad person, or a selfish person, or a ego driven person.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:39 am
Dfng... if Rebecca had been hired last night, she would forever been known as a co-apprentice. Yes Randal came in first, but in the public's mind they both would have been seen as co-Apprentices. That is what Randal was trying to prevent.
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Starman
Member
07-28-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:41 am
Why are people comparing this to sporting events? There were clearly TWO jobs available.
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:43 am
But in competetions there is always a second place. At the olympics they honor second place by having them stand up on a podium with the first place winner. This doesn't take away from the winner. So why would handing a prize to the second place winner in the Apprentice be seen as taking away from the winner. Or imagine Lance Armstrong saying he did not want the second place winner to stand next to him and receive the glories of second place. If it's not about ego then what is it about?
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Clutterfree
Member
10-24-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:45 am
I managed to catch both Randal and Rebecca's appearances on the TODAY show this AM. They actually seemed to spend very little time with them--and why outdoors on the plaza? Rebecca maintained her absolute class, with not critiquing Randal, but when pointedly asked what SHE would have done in same position, answered that yes she would have said "Hire Randal too." Was glad to see Yahoo offering her a job, although like Kwame before her, I imagine she will have LOTS of offers. Also Yahoo had to step up, because they definitely restricted her on onsite fund-raising for Elizabeth Glazer pediatric AIDS foundation (was glad to see their $$$ contribution last night). Interesting point from last night was WHO is your client--the charity or the sponsor? Interesting from this AM: Trump agreed that 99% of people would have said "Hire Rebecca"; he of course has to be complimentary of Randal and said how his response showed that he is "tough". Randal's response still bothers me; earlier he had referred to Rebecca as his "little sister"; who wouldn't want to bring their talented little sister on board? And yes I like the idea of Randal either putting the decision back on Trump, or saying "not tonight" but hire her tomorrow! Thought what he did was not "nice" ( the quality he had been so touted for) and did not show class.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:49 am
"Why are people comparing this to sporting events?" Because they are all competitions.... Even with two jobs...there is still only ONE winner...
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Clutterfree
Member
10-24-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:53 am
One thing for sure, if you follow the line of "there's no such thing as bad publicity", this has sure been a shocker ending, and certainly has the buzz going and going and going. Don't know what it means for another season though. I am seriously thinking of dropping the show.
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 8:55 am
And clearly Randall was the winner as Trump stated. DT was only asking if he should hire Rebecca as a second place prize - like letting her stand on the podium as the second place winner. Again, Randall had so many outs from the situation and he took the low road. IMO
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:04 am
I agree that there were other ways Randal could have responded... and I didn't like his response any more than anyone else. But lets remember, he wasn't given a whole lot of time to think about this. His was a gut reaction, and I don't think it makes him a bad person because he felt he was being asked to share his victory with someone he had clearly bested. Now suddenly Randal is this awful person because he chose to have only one Apprentice on last nights show. And I believe that had Randal said yes, they both would be considered co-apprentices in the media today. Randal didn't want that, and I don't think that makes him egotistical or a backstabber. Even tho I don't agree with Randal's decision, I understand why he made it.
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Starman
Member
07-28-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:09 am
I don't agree with that. DT said "you're hired" to Randall. He was clearly the winner. Sometimes I understand how DT thinks. He sees what's behind people's eyes sometimes. Maybe they didn't have time, but if I were DT, I'd say "Randall, what about this mutual respect and admiration you had for Rebecca? And no loyalty?". The respect and loyalty bother me a lot. Anyone who has competed knows that just because you're competing against someone profesionally doesn't mean you don't like them PERSONALLY. Sports is a perfect example. Watch two players BS at first base, or watch Tiki Barber say a few things on the field to the guy who just knocked him to the ground with a smile on his face. Randall has no class, and hiring Rebecca wouldn't have taken away from the fact that he was the clear winner.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:18 am
I was wondering about those donation envelopes. If they didn't donate anything after the event, I'll any of them watching the show last night are going to send something in today. And those three Yahoo execs who tied Rebecca's hands in the fundraising, I'll bet they are going to get reprimanded. 'squeek'
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