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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 9:37 pm
I recall a quick verbal vote. The others seemed to want Felisha to do it. I was surprised that they didnt pressure Toral into the position. As for Zip I kinda liked the drawing but it didnt look right when made up into a costume. I figure that once the others actually SAW the Zip costume they felt like they probably lost the comp and needed a 'target' to implicate. Toral would have been even MORE of a target if she had been IN the costume. Then they could say they lost because she was not animated enough LOL I think Trump is making decisions based on who gives "good tv". I really cant see any of those ladies working for trump (other than the broken ankle lady )
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 9:42 pm
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 3:38 am
Sunshyne, if Trump were making decisions on who gives good TV he would have kept Toral for drama. If you mean choosing the candidates, he has admitted that choosing attractive people is part of TV and yes, they do that. Not to the exclusion of a healthy resume, however. Marshawn is someone he may have his eye on. I think he is hoping for Jennifer M to pull through for him! He said she is one of the most beautiful women he has ever seen!
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 4:59 am
I was totally backing Rebecca's position on Toral until she refused to do the costume. The moment she said, "No", I knew she was gone. And I completely agreed with her going. I think that Randal has a real shot at this. His intellect and education are amazing.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 7:16 am
I think a big part of why Toral was fired was because Trump expected her to step up and be PM. Add not being truthful about the “genius” remark, refusing to wear the suit and conveniently bringing her morality and religion into the mix and bad mouthing her teams intelligence (even if it is true) probably sent Trump over the edge and sealed her fate early on in the boardroom. Seriously, what tenant of religion would she be breaking? Of course Toral was not the reason the team lost but Trump does seem to fire people that he doesn’t kink has good people skills or people that are not completely truthful before the incompetent folk for the particular task. Kristi has a very Jr. High personality and doesn’t seem to have the maturity that Trump looks for. I hope that Trump gets word of her attitude. I can not see Kristi being able to manage people with any sort of finesse. So far Marshawn and JenM are my favorite and hope they make it to the end.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 7:36 am
Yep Eeyore and Sun, there was a vote. A quick one, but they did vote. Rebecca was disappointed that T didn't step up. I just can't believe that Toral not only had a strategy that was to sit back, do nothing and let the others implode, but she actually told that to the camera! I like Kristi, she tells it like it is. I think her attitude is fine. Toral deserved what Kristi dished out.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 8:59 am
The only person who got Toral booted, was Toral. I don't think it was her refusal to wear the costume either...it was her mouth in the boardroom, nothing else. I think Trump had high expectations of Toral, and when she did her speech in the boardroom, I believe Trump realized he had misplaced his expectations. I don't think Trump really thought he would be firing her when he did. Toral really gave him no other choice in the boardroom...Had Trump kept Toral, he would have looked like the biggest chump of all time. I like the fact that Trump doesn't play around and if he sees something beyond redemption in his thinking, he is quick and decisive. Kristi is too heavy handed and judgmental, she lets her passionate personal feelings over ride any professionalism. While this may be an asset to a political activist, I don't think DT would appreciate her treating any of this business associates the way she treated Toral last night. I think that's too bad, because I thought she would go far... Its odd, but it appears to me that these women have forgotten they are on a job interview. In the last show I remember asking myself, what show do these women think they are on? Big Brother?
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 11:55 am
Big Brother - LOL Kep 
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 10:15 am
This isn't about Toral.. but it applies in ways and you can see DT's reasoning. Getting Along in the Workplace (A Lesson from Episode One of The Apprentice) Posted: 10/13/2005 9:45:00 AM by Donald J. Trump Chairman, Trump University (Trump Blog) Besides being enjoyable entertainment, The Apprentice offers some pretty straightforward business lessons. In this season's first episode, Melissa was a simple case study on how not to act in a business environment. It's important to be a team player and to get along with your coworkers. It's critical not to ruffle feathers by being negative and having an attitude. In Melissa's case, she was constantly bickering with her teammates, pointing out flaws in the way her team's marketing was being handled, and badmouthing her project manager to anyone who would listen, including Carolyn. She seemed to make waves just for the attention it brought her. Melissa even admitted that she felt other women couldn't work with her because they were intimidated by her beauty. (Being beautiful is normally not a bad thing in my world, but bragging about it being a liability makes it become an actual liability.) In the end, nearly every one of her teammates singled her out in the boardroom for her disruptive, negative attitude even though perhaps their leader, Kristi, was the one who was at fault overall for losing the task. Melissa's complaints and unconstructive input overshadowed any negative input on the project manager's part. In a way, I guess it sounds somewhat hypocritical for me to say that it's important to be pleasant and a team player without an ego. I don't have a reputation for keeping my opinions to myself nor for being overly ego-free. But there's a difference. I've certainly paid my dues and worked hard to get where I am. Just because I speak my mind doesn't mean I don't value what everyone else has to say. I surround myself with very capable people and expect them to work very hard. If they're negative or they bicker or don't get along, then the company suffers and we all lose. People like that don't last long. Sooner or later, they'll hear, "You're fired." http://donaldtrump.trumpuniversity.com/default.asp?item=105233
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Monday, October 17, 2005 - 9:14 am
"what tenant of religion would she be breaking?" I am not a Jehovah's Witness, but have known some in the past who've told me that they can't wear costumes for Halloween b/c it is against their religion. Maybe Toral is a witness??
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, October 17, 2005 - 9:42 am
"Thou shalt not put on a silly costume with no logos for a competition that you can not win anyway, to satisfy the whim of several angry women who don’t like you and will never work with you regardless of what you do." I think that’s it! 
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, October 17, 2005 - 11:25 am
LOL Jimmer!
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Monday, October 17, 2005 - 9:38 pm
Rehtse probably has it -- most JWs do not celebrate ANY holiday (we have quite a few in our school).
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