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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 12:01 pm
That girl could sing. The father seemed to me to be an arrogant jerk. It was his way or no way, he got the last word and too bad if no one likes it. I hate that attitude of certain people.
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Taterheadtwo
Member
09-29-2005
| Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 2:41 pm
LegalBoxer are you part boxer??? hee hee , had to do it.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 2:46 pm
My Mom was born and raised in Hawaii. I hear "You don't look Hawaiian" all the time. Well, she's Portugese!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 6:41 pm
Why then, is using the term "African American" so seemingly more politically correct? (I mean they don't call white people "European American"....) I find it all confusing. In Canada yes we DO differentiate between Causasians. We have European Canadians, French Canadians and American Canadians. Asian Canadians call themselves Chinese Canadians, East Indian Canadians, Japanese Canadians, Russian Canadians. It isnt a slight, it isnt an INSULT. Only if someone wants it to be, I guess. I'm some sort of mix of white Europeans but I can't say what "tribe" I'm from. Unless the person is a first generation immigrant who really does belong to a "tribe" I think it's a dumb question. My family has been in Canada or the USA since 1800s. My 'tribe' or ancestral roots from the beginning of time is from NORTH Ireland and Edinburgh Scotland on father's side. My Mother's people originated in the small area of Friesland which is just below Netherlands beside Germany 1500AD?. I think it is really about whether someone is interested in their family and where they are from. Some people just arent interested in ancestry UNTIL a hereditary disease is found in the family. My best friend from School has blindness in her Mom's side of the family. It is a rare hereditary condition that is only found in people from ONE area of Scotland.
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Friday, December 30, 2005 - 7:37 am
Sunshyne I agree, and most people I know have all that info, my family is from England and Poland, my husband's Ireland....I think it comes from the idea of the "Mosaic" thing we have here as opposed to the more "melting pot' idea I've noticed in the States...?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 2:00 am
I forgot about the Mosiac/ melting pot scenarios! Good example of the differences between our countries and our views.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 11:25 pm
Sunshyne, I don't know what part of Canada you are from, but we do so have major problems with discrimination. I live in Toronto, and I see it all the time. Only here, it's more subtle. But it's there. Canadians are so concerned with appearing "PC" that few come right out and admit their prejudices. It IS true, however, that it is not an offensive thing to ask people their ancestry here. It pretty much goes along with being Canadian. EVERYONE and/or their relatives are from somewhere else.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 3:37 am
Hi Jodied75. I am a west coast girl but have lived in Sask. as well. I have seen discrimination against aborginals in Sask but where I live I just dont see it. We have 30% asians in BC. With so much diversity I think we just look at things differently here. I heard recently that Toronto has a HUGE amount of recent immigrants. I can see that really causing a lot of friction and discrimination against certain individuals. I hope I dont offend anyone. I am just talking about my thoughts and experiences.
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 11:15 am
Strange how our areas differ. There is a much, MUCH smaller population of Aboriginals in southeast Ontario than the west. In fact, in Toronto I only know one person with any native blood in her; she lives in my building. Diversity? I can't think of the last time I was on public transportation where I wasn't the minority. And this hasn't been recently, this has been for as long as I can remember. Toronto has had ever-increasing gun violence over the past year; everyone's in an uproar and pointing the finger of blame at everyone else; 90% or so of those killed by a gun were black. Whites are blaming blacks and blacks are blaming whites. It's a real mess. On the upside I am hugely proud of Toronto. Despite the prejudice that does exist, people get along well - especially those out of their teens and early twenties. We celebrate and appreciate each other's traditions and customs - I for one, am really looking forward to Chinese new Year. Our mayor and police chief took part in the Gay Pride Parade. Back to the show, it shouldn't be offensive to ask about one's roots - we pretty much all have immigrants in our lines somewhere. It all depends on how it's asked. Automatically assuming a black person comes from Africa and not, say, Jamaica, is ignorant. Simply inquiring about a person's ancestry with no assumptions is pretty harmless, in my opinion. (What tribe are you from? - wrong, wrong, wrong)
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 12:55 pm
Flip that to this: I am part American Indian. If someone asked me what tribe, I wouldn't be offended in the least bit. I would tell them. Sometimes I think it is oversensitivity.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 1:01 pm
It's not.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 1:04 pm
Due to the nature of chattel slavery [which did not keep records about where the enslaved came from], it is most often impossible for African Americans to say from which ethnic group ["tribe"] or nation in Africa they come from. This is made even more difficult because under the plantation system people from different African ethnic groups co-mingled, so their offspring--which were also frequently biracial when the master, one of his sons, or one of the white workers on the plantation raped one of the enslaved women--are most likely not to be from "a" tribe or nation [that would be virtually untracable even with DNA testing], but from many. The question shows a profound disregard for history and the historical truths of the American chattel slavery system.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 1:14 pm
Exactly Tish and you said it better than I could've.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 2:46 pm
I once asked someone who had a strong accent I couldn't place where they were from. They looked at me very irritated and said they were from America. I shut my mouth, as I had apparently offended them with my wording. What should I have said? What ethnicity are you? Where did your ancestors originate? For the most part, I think that is what people may intend when they say what "tribe" are you. You can choose to answer them and inform them of your ancestry as you know it or you can get offended.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 3:01 pm
Well you could've said, Wow that's a beautiful accent you have, where is it from? Or just said nothing.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 3:23 pm
In retrospect, I was very intrigued by it, as it was beautiful. My guess is that she was self conscious about it, but I hadn't picked up on that in time. I was working closely with her, as she was a patient, and small talk isn't easy sometime without sounding mundane. So I asked where she was from. Wording was bad on my part. Your wording would have been better. Eloquence isn't my strong suit. But, she knew what I was referring to and chose to be sensitive toward my question that was harmless in every possible way.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 5:21 pm
I agree that records were sketchy about Slavery records Tish. However, historically we know that people were taken from certain key locations on the African coast. Mind you, some of the tribes would have slaves from other parts of Africa. The concept of slavery existed in Africa and North America hundreds of years before the Irish started keeping them in the south. Mind you, as a migitating factor, the IRish were practically slaves to the British for generations as well. I often wonder if this is not why the owners were so brutal. (full of anger and entitlement)
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 5:50 pm
They are worse than just "sketchy," though; slaves were treated merely as cargo and the records from slave ships are devoid of names, dates of birth, etc. We do know that most, but not all, future slaves started their journey in West Africa, but that doesn't say anything specific, really, because people were rounded up in other places on the continent and then sent to ports on the west African coast. I don;t know, really, what the Irish have to do with this, though, because most slave owners in the south were not Irish...in fact, it was more likely that the Irish would be indentured servants in the south than slave owners.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 6:18 pm
Sun, darlin get your facts straight <57>. Irish didn't start keeping them in the south. The Irish weren't the only slave owners. Also it is a fact that Slavery in America was way different then Slavery that took place thousands and thousands of years ago. Also yes most of the slaves came from the West Coast of Africa. There's alot of coast. Alot of tribes. As well as the traders pushed further into the interior towards the end.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 6:26 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canada
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 6:43 pm
Everyone owned us.
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Spangs
Member
10-07-2005
| Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 7:31 pm
indeed
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 1:37 am
I was talking about the very first few plantations. I saw a historical show that said the very first few who started it all up in the usa were of Irish ancestry. I'd have to do a search to really get indepth. Thx for posting that Link Rosie. I feel it is something for us Canadians to be very proud of. We abolished Slavery around ONE HUNDRED years before the USA. However, here on the West Coast Aboriginals were still doing it to each other and foreigners. ((okay, I think that I should let this offtopic die. We are all on the same side of this debate I think. We all agree that Slavery is wrong and should never have been allowed to happen. ))
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 9:09 am
Everyone owned us. No one owned you. Your ancestors were owned. It was a horrible and tragic thing that certain people of long ago did to others. Not the people of today. It was wrong, it shouldn't have been allowed to happen. But because of that, you are now here, and that is what matters.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 9:22 am
You know you really need to stop. I don't need you to tell me that. And you have no concept of what I meant by us do you?
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