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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 4:42 pm
Anakin, the little boy is Darth????????? OMG!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 5:10 pm
Curly, ITA about Anakin. I thought that considering the first two were about ANAKIN, that the whole tuning into Darth Vader could have been perceived as the "end/loss of Anakin". I've seen all three, and I totally was surprised that this movie was supposed to be about Darth. I never felt that from the movie. In hindsight, I can see it, but not at the time of watching. Not until the idea was put in my head last night.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:10 pm
Julie & Cd, remember how Clay bragged about "keeping Alla under wrap so it didn't seem like 'Alla saved the day'"? I'm pretty sure it was all Clay wanted to do, take credit for Alla's work. I am still not a true Alla fan since I can't stomach that stripping & causing others' deaths however in-directly.... But she's starting to look like a rising star in this epis.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:48 pm
I see exactly what Curly said up there about Marshawn. Her speech in the cab w/Brian next to her... And that she avoided the presentation. She did not have faith in their work and did not want to be blamed, plain & simple. But also chicken-like. To Sunshyn up there, I do not think Randall was the reason they'd lost. Brian was the sole reason. How could he have missed that all important meeting w/ the 2 excs? If they'd only had 15 min. with those two, they would hear about how Darth Vader should've been the focal point and all. (That's another mystery, how could any living person in the US not know by now that the latest Star Wars movie was about DV going to the Dark Side? I have not seen the movie yet but I know that much.) Isn't it a big wonder how Brian has no concept about traveling in NYC? I used to work right where he lives, 34th & 3rd, while living some blocks away. Did he just move there recently or more likely he's been driven by limo just glued to hand-held games walking from apt. to elevator to limo when parents told him to get going? (I don't mean to be rude and pretend to know Brian, but some of you probably know what I'm talking about...)
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:59 pm
Dalm, you are so right about the worker bee and credit bit! But you were also right when you said that this show is in fact not Reality! Let us have our dreams come true and believe that worker bees should always get the credits ;-)
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 1:22 am
Great post Dalm. Bosses always take the credit when things go well. IT is real life. Chy, I agree that Randall wasnt the direct reason why they lost...but indirectly he truly was. He KNEW Star Wars. Darth Vader should have been featured on the Dark Side of the display. DV was not. Randall was the one who was explaining the characters. The botched display was directly Randall's screwup and it wasnt even brought up in the boardroom How could he have missed that all important meeting w/ the 2 excs? The team missed the meeting becaues NO ONE was watching the clock and no one took responsibility. They wanted Brian to take the fall and even marshawn seemed to want to distance herself from the situation by trying to implicate Brian as the one who should have given the presentation. She wanted him to fail. (in my opinion LOL)
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 4:45 am
I rewatched it last night, to catch some things I missed the first time around. When they were waiting to leave for the meeting, the other team members did question Brian about waiting to leave and seemed to want to leave earlier. According to Marshawn in confessional, since Brian lived in New York, they assumed he knew better than they did how long it would take to get there. Trump said Star Wars had been around for "nearly" 30 years. Clay didn't seem nearly as bad on second viewing...although the lesson he learned from Bill was still a pretty warped version of the lesson Bill was trying to give! And I STILL can't believe these people knew so little about Star Wars!
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Spoton
Member
09-16-2005
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 9:28 am
I must have missed out on some interesting information. Chy - what are you referring to about Alla and "stripping & causing others' deaths" Now all I can imagine is that she mowed down customers at a stripper bar while brandishing an automatic and twirling around the pole!! (Or did she sell lethal furniture-stripper which killed all those who tried to restore old chairs???)}}
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 10:48 am
Spoton, Alla is an ex-stripper (known as Ecstasy or "X"). One of her "boyfriends" robbed and killed a couple in a desperate attempt to get money in order to continue seeing "X". You can read the story on E! Online at http://yahoo.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,17347,00.html?newsrellink. ETA: That's also the reason why I suspect Trump won't hire her if she even makes it to F2.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 10:53 am
Spoton, you can also go here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0912051alla1.html Though I can't say I admire her past career choice, I do admire the fact that she was able to get out of it and is now a successful entrepeneur, wife and mother. We've all made mistakes in our past and done things we're not proud of. I don't know how anyone can say Alla was in any way responsible for those people's deaths, anymore than you could blame Jody Foster for John Hinkley's attempted assassination on Ronald Reagan. If she (Alla) were in any way responsible, she'd be in jail, too. I can't see DT actually hiring her, but if he did, I'd like to see him step up and say that everybody deserves a second chance in life. None of us is perfect.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 10:59 am
I agree Babyjax. But I just don't see Trump doing that. I don't see him wading in to any controversy -- true or not -- such as this. And anyways, I really do think he has a better candidate in Randal. However, I do agree that I've been impressed with how she got out of the biz, has been so successful, and has displayed some real smarts on this show.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 12:13 pm
He will hire Alla in a heartbeat if she is the best candidate. His ego is huge and he sees himself as an icon and the best in business beyond all. I doubt he cares at all. He may even see her past as good for his image in that he judged her on her ability. He looks for performance, ambition, drive and loyality. He has to have that buzz too. This is right up his alley. I can see him taking great pride in hiring her because she was the best and not passing judgement on her past. I doubt he sees prostitution or stripping as a bad thing either.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 1:05 pm
He might not have known this info when the show was filmed
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 1:56 pm
I thought he picked the contestants. not dalm
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 3:37 pm
He picked all but one, according to the articles I read. And no, I don't think her past came to light until after they'd started filming. Fruitbat, I don't think she was a prostitute, just an "exotic dancer." Not at all the same thing . . . even in Las Vegas! That said, I think Randal will win. He seems the most qualified and professional. I'm rooting for him!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 4:07 pm
ROTF KL!!!!!!!!!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 5:42 pm
Slight spoiler... . . . . . . . I actually read somewhere around the beginning of the season that Trump *does* ask Alla about her past in a boardroom. We've not seen it yet, so I don't know if it comes at a time when she's one of the few in the BR prior to a firing, or whether it was cut from a previous ep.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 5:43 pm
I had no idea Alla had this in her past. How did she go from buying her first building at 19 to giving private dances in Vegas? I don't think her chances of winning are good. It's not her fault those people died, but the whole sordid story is going to be a liability for her. Trump may not care about the stripping (although he once fired a girl who dropped her skirt). It's the other stuff--the hustling and accepting gambling money, jewelry and dinners that eventually led to an unbalanced man killing people to see her--that may hang like a dark cloud over Alla when it's decision time. As far as I know, Jodi Foster didn't lead John Hinckley into believing they had any kind of a relationship. The good news for Alla is that she's already a multi-millionaire, and she doesn't need to be Trump's apprentice. In a way, being passed over and out of the spotlight once this show ends may be the best thing for her since she's now raising 4 children.
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 8:50 pm
If you recall, Trump said he can only hire the best when he fired these two. If that were true, the candidates would certainly be all of the highest caliber. Dalm. Ketchup....You calling?
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 3:27 am
Babyjax, okay let's strike the word prostitution in favor of escortish like service type thing. Making $1500 an evening with one man doing lap dances is a stretch, never mind the diamond earrings. It doesn't matter. I don't think Trump will be phased by this. If she is fired the question will always hang in the air, of course. It certainly appears that Randal and Rebecca have his attention though.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 8:36 am
Fruitbat, when a client requests lap dances in a private room of a club, $1500 a night is not excessive. That client then receives personal attention from the dancer. It's quite expensive to spend time in a private room of a gentleman's club. And no, I'm not nor ever have been a dancer. But I've known a few. And a few men who've easily spent that much money at clubs. (I went with a group of guys to Club Paradise in Las Vegas. One of the guys spent just about $1000. We were in a private room. We did buy bottles of champagne. Well, THEY did. I got to enjoy the perks without the costs! <grin>)
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Pirate
Member
06-20-2002
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 11:07 pm
I like the way Donald is not messing around this year and firing those that are responsible on the spot. Those two deserved it this week. I am at a loss to see where Randall would have any blame on this task. They are lucky he was able to give them as much information as he did. Without Randall's input the task would have been a total disaster. The whole thing was they missed the meeting and that was Brian's fault. Then the thing about the presentation was so weird. It was like Marshawn was going to punish her team mates because they didn't ask her to do anything important on the task up to that point. I am glad the other team nixed Clay on the exemption because he absolutely did not deserve it. That spoke volumes to Donald. Then his warped interpretation of what Bill told them. Clay has to go, and soon. There is no way he could work for Donald Trump - ever. At this point in the game I see Alla and Randall the final two. Don't care what is being posted about her, she is on top of the game and doesn't miss a beat. Randall is a strong leader as well and respected by all the others.
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Lizziedi
Member
10-05-2005
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 11:17 pm
Dalm Check out the latest in apprentice Martha. K is also calling me, lol.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 11:23 pm
I wonder if the non exemption will come back to bite them. DT lesson this week was loyalty.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 12:30 am
Wow! Good point Pamy! I'd love for that to happen. I loathe Alla and Felisha more than Clay. I'll take a bitchy insecure gay man over those two homecoming queens any day. I hate every week that Alla does a good job too. And there have been a lot of them. She's good, but her attitude is just as bad as Clay's. Dalm, I totally agree about the "real world" and bosses that take credit. Too bad the real world has nothing to do with The Apprentice. LOL
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 4:43 am
I wonder if some of the raw footage tapes are available for DT to review. Clay may not have been the most 'take charge' PM but he delegated the tasks masterfully. Everything worked smoothly except Alla's hurt ego. They may not have liked him but he got the task done. I'm never sure why people want to be 'babysat' while they do the task that they are given! I used to work with people like that. They didnt want to make decisions on their own even though the task was delegated. I hated trying to do two jobs instead of just mine LOL I would like Alla and Felisha to screw up...real bad. I, too, dislike their attitudes.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 3:04 pm
Clay's behavior was puzzling at first, considering what a controlling dictator he was the first time he was PM. This time he kept seeking Alla's approval on stuff, to the point where even Bill noticed it. I thought maybe he thought this was what his team wanted when they asked for respect at the beginning of the show. Then I watched those deleted scenes and found out it was his strategy to separate Alla from the others and he was setting her up to bear the blame if they lost. That sure backfired. He kept Adam and Felisha busy with minor tasks so he could stay close to Alla, which I wouldn't consider masterful delegating. If he had delegated wisely (for example sending Felisha to the photographer as that was a job she always did in the past), then Alla wouldn't have come out looking like she won the task on her own. Maybe Adam and Felisha wouldn't have denied Clay the exemption if they'd been given more responsibility.
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Spoton
Member
09-16-2005
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 3:20 pm
Great analysis, Curlyq! I don't feel too bad about Clay still being in the game, because this is one game show where a personality like Clay will never rise to the top. (Unless, of course, the "top" is made up of a herd of Clays!!) He'll be gone sooner or later. I actually like Alla. She is a bit abrasive, but sharp! And she seems to be very effective. I also do not think that her odd background would take her out of the running in Trump's eye.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 4:08 pm
The reason I don't care for Clay is because he takes everything so personally. I realize there have been other contestants that did and do take things very personally, but he's the first (I can remember) who actually sets out to "get back" at another contestant.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, November 14, 2005 - 5:44 pm
Good points Curly! And I think he did say he wanted to set up Alla, "just in case." Problem was, the rest of her team wouldn't be pointing at her, but would point at Clay instead. Pirate, I'd said I could see Alla in F2 (along with Randal, or Rebecca... those three in F3). I just didn't think she would become the actual apprentice. Alla has really been doing a good job. I just think Trump is too conservative. (Really, do you see him hiring someone to "run one of his companies who might've given him a lap dance at some point in his life? LOL! <grin>) Clay is not long for this show. Pirate is right, too, about the fact that the rest of Clay's team didn't have enough confidence in him to give him an exemption next time. That really does speak volumes!!!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 3:05 am
Thx for your Opinion... which I wouldn't consider masterful delegating. If he had delegated wisely (for example sending Felisha to the photographer )Maybe Adam and Felisha wouldn't have denied Clay the exemption if they'd been given more responsibility. My opinion is that Clay did a decent job and the others would have never given him an exemption regardless of his behaviour. Alla is very aggressive. When I have worked with aggressive coworkers i have used similar techniques as Clay did this week. I ask their opinions....I check to see if they have a better idea than i have..I try to "keep them involved" with each and every step so they dont feel like they are being TOLD what to do like mindless automatons LOL Clay was accused of acting like a controlling dictator so this time he tried to seem more weak and wishy washy....it didnt work for him LOL Pirate is right, too, about the fact that the rest of Clay's team didn't have enough confidence in him to These are opinions. No one is neccessarily RIGHT or WRONG in their views. In my opinion this had nothing to do with confidence in Clay. The contestants are getting down in numbers. No one wants to be the one to go home. If you only have a few people on your team the very last thing you should do is give anyone an exemption...it is a foolish thing to do. In the beginning of the show when there were lots of contestants I liked the idea though.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 5:06 am
The PM's have a delicate dance to perform. They must be a strong leader to catch Trumps attention yet avoid firing should they lose the task. The latter forces some PM's to ear mark a team member who they can claim is respsponsible while simultaneously working hard to win. Trump will get wind of Clays strategy and he will be gone at the first opportunity. He has no patience for that. I believe that a producer is present with each camera and either they or editors bring some footage to light for BR consideration.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 9:34 am
Hey Fruit! Bill Rancic actually said something similar during the reward meeting... that now is the time to step it up if you wanna become the next apprentice. Picking a scapegoat, as Clay did with Alla, is not gonna endear him to Trump. Also, constantly consulting with her (or pretending to) is not gonna show strong leadership traits.
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