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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 2:43 am
I think that Toral felt like the others were trying to humiliate her and instead of just going along with it laughing it off Toral sulked. Her mistake was mouthing off in an flustered unprofessional manner in the boardroom. She didnt seem to keep her cool when DT asked her directly about the Religion excuse. It really did seem like she had been caught in a lie and I was glad to see her "protector" from last week finally distance herself by admitting DT should fire Toral. However, I love what she said. "Toral should go because the others refuse to work with her" Funny how this is yet ANOTHER women DT lets go because the others are on a witchhunt yet the guy that the men dislike so intensely (marcus?)wasnt fired for prettywell the same reasons. His big mouth still is irritating the other guys. Geesh that looks confusing. ((sorry))
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 6:05 am
I agree with curly. Toral was the mean girl way before the blondes started "cliquing!"
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 7:11 am
I was surprised that Toral went (although I do agree that she needed to go). Toral's refusal to wear the costume did not affect the outcome of the task, the women still would have lost. It was Felicity, the PM, who lost the task for the women, by refusing to allow the DQ emblem on Zip per JenM's suggestion. I also didn't like how Felicity refused to own up to the fact that she was the one who vetoed the idea, and I thought her lack of honesty should have been the decision maker. But I'm sure Felicity's less than honest ways will exhibit themselves in the near future...giving DT ample opportunity to call her (and hopefully fire her) out on it. I must say I was surprised at the guys Blizzard Genie. I didn't think I would like their character, but I found myself laughing and smiling right along with the DQ execs. I also liked the jingle they came up with, especially the delicious wishes part... too bad the tyrant PM vetoed it...*sighs*.
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 8:39 am
I officially cannot stand Kristie. The way that she and Felisha went at Toral was hard to watch. I wonder who their target will be next, Marshawn? Rebecca? Although Toral imo should have bit the bullet and wore the stupid costume, (I'm sure they would have found another reason to gang up on her in the boardroom.) Stupid of Toral to attack the others by basically saying they were stupid in the boardroom. At this point I would prefer to see Jennifer and Rebecca as the last two women standing (or Marshawn) they seem to maintain their composure and keep it together. Jennifer while part of the clique doesn't get emotional and seems to be able to remain objective.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 9:50 am
I didn’t like Toral playing the religious card. Her arguments in the boardroom were not very good either (claiming that she was more experienced and intelligent). Having got that out of the way, those other women are really nasty. It was perfectly obvious that they had decided that there was no way they would let Toral contribute to the task in any meaningful way. And who is kidding who? The total idea behind them asking her to wear that costume was to emphasize that they felt she was inadequate for any other task and solely for the purpose of demeaning her. That was a horrible display of pack mentality. The only women that are left that I like are Rebecca and Jennifer. There is no way that Toral had any bearing on them losing that task. Surely, they didn’t lose because she didn’t wear the costume and they wouldn’t listen to her anyway? Plain and simply, they lost because they developed a mascot that didn’t clearly promote the DQ brand and failed to reach a major part of their target audience. Why is Trump turning this into a popularity contest? 
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Babyboo
Member
06-16-2003
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 11:34 am
I was so pissed off when Toral was fired not because i think she was that great but because she was not the reason her team lost, That was totally wrong imo.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 11:35 am
As always, Jimmer says it best for me. I think those girls asked Toral to wear that costume PURELY to humiliate her. I think they KNEW it was a bad job, and that's why none of THEM wanted to do it in the first place. They knew how horrible a job that would be, and so they immediately thought to humiliate her. The brow-beating they tried over the phone with her was completely transparent. "If you really WANT to step up in this task, and be a part of the group, you'll do THIS thing we're assigning you. There was no CHOICE in their eyes. We are giving you this job, and they weren't going to accept no for an answer. Then, the way Kristi and the other one were in the background yelling things like "She's done!" and "I'm so over her" and "hang up on her!" while Toral could hear it all, was extremely juvenile. What PROFESSIONAL would be yelling stuff like that in the background of a phone call, about a co-worker? I've hated co-workers in my past, in WAY less "professional" jobs than these, and I would NEVER act like that. I can't understand how some of these people act the way they act, in a job interview process. They'd never do this if it wasn't on TV and there was no competition to it. Just a plain group job interview would never present that behavior. I will fully admit Toral should have been the "bigger person" and worn the suit, but Kep and Jimmer are right, who wore the suit is NOT why they lost the task. =================================================== In Mean Girls, if you want to talk about intelligence, LL absolutely talks about intelligence, so even though that wasn't why I used the name, it could still apply. Remember she gave up Mathlete to hang with the Plastics? The reason I used the name Plastics was that those girls were all about humiliating others, and targeting people. It is a clique, and they were small-minded, shallow people who didn't try to get along with new people, unless it was on the way to humiliating them. I really don't think the little Apprenctice clique of girls has any RIGHT to play the "victim" card, just because Toral was having a private conversation and opening up to Markus, saying she was with a bunch of idiots. The clique of girls, were TOTALLY acting like idiots, by trying to lynch a single person. There is NO REASON why you don't suck it up, and act like a TEAM, on a team task. Whether Rebecca or Toral like you or not, should not affect how much professionalism you show. But these girls decided to stoop to some incredibly low levels of childishness. You'd never see Martha pull that sh!t. Grow up ladies. This isn't the high school run for homecoming queen. This is the business world.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 11:49 am
I was bothered by Toral's strategy, as she stated herself. She said she *purposefully* was not stepping up, in order to watch the others implode. I think that's completely contrary to what Trump is looking for. A team player/leader who helps bring out the best in everyone. She never even tried, right from the start. It's not that I think the others are model examples either. But Toral did earn her exit as well.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 11:50 am
I think the MAIN reason the girls wanted Toral to wear the costume was NOT to humiliate her. It was cuz she was reluctant to step up and be the PM -- especially right after she knew she had to step up. Toral, all I can only say "DUH."
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Ocean_islands
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 11:50 am
I agree with what you are saying, but Donald went all with the 'piling on' and attacking. He is largely to blame for letting them get away with this. Frankly I think that he believes it makes great television. It certainly gets everyone upset!
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Ocean_islands
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 11:54 am
That costume and creature was so awful, it truly was an embarrassment.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 12:17 pm
Last night when the PM and cronies were being so forceful with Toral, I kept wondering who the heck do these ladies think they are? I fully understand the need for apprentice wannabes to "step up to the plate" as it were, but who made these women the plate police? Why was it so important that they FORCE Toral to do what they think is right? I don't understand their thinking....if someone isn't stepping up to the plate, and as long as their failures are not jeapordizing the task at hand, wouldn't you WANT to exploit that to your advantage? I don't think Toral's refusal to wear the costume was that big of a deal. Her declining this prestigious honor didn't jeapordize the task one iota. As PM, I would have accepted her refusal, asked someone else to volunteer, and let Toral know she would be accompanying me into the boardroom for lack of team effort. I agree with the consensus... of the women, I like Rebecca and JenM.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 12:24 pm
This article on MSNBC.com says it best, "There’s no ‘I’ in team, and there’s no team in Toral." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9688394/
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 1:20 pm
Thanks Eeyore! Toral probably should have worn the outfit simply so they wouldn’t have anything to complain about. But seriously, there is no possible way that Toral caused them to lose this task. Is Trump seriously saying that Toral demoralized the team by refusing to dress up, thus causing them to lose? And, I can’t possibly imagine demanding that any employee (and these are management level people – Toral is a bank Vice-President) dress up as a silly mascot if they didn't want to. There is a big difference between voluntarily dressing as a chicken for laughs and being forced to do it. It is all a matter of personality. I know one VP who would happily do it for laughs but I also know another VP who would probably rather die first. No one would get Trump into a chicken outfit if he didn’t want to. Also, imagine Trump demanding that George or Carolyn wear silly mascot outfits! Sadly, these women are behaving very childishly. Contrast that to the men’s response when Markus unexpectedly returned. They were determined to put it behind them and work as a team and so far they haven’t looked back. The women simply decided that they weren’t going to work with Toral no matter what.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 1:34 pm
Eeyores and Jimmer, you are totally right. What is Toral's religion, anyhow? That's where I was confused. Is she Hindu? I didn't know about prohibitions against costumes in Hindi culture. Learn something new everyday.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 1:35 pm
I think they pushed Toral to wear the outfit to embarrass her. The blonde squad is totally unprofessional and cliquish and Trump rewarded them for their bad behavior last night. Toral did nothing to help herself stay, but she is NOT why they lost. The blonde squad refuses to listen to anyone else and they lost the task. For Trump to not have called them out on it and for Carolyn to have not said anything (even though she did witness their exclusion of the others) was very disappointing. So they think there is nothing wrong with how they are playing the game ... pfffttt.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 2:16 pm
Wow, I had never realized that the women were all blonde. How interesting that folks would notice this and point it out. I sure hope that no one intends it as a slur toward blondes, cause as a blonde it kinda comes across that way I suspect that Trump probably wanted to get rid of Toral in part because she was essentially making a mockery of his show. It was foolish of her to deride his selection of 'job candidates.' "These woman you have handpicked out of a quarter million applicants aren't fit to lick an executive's boots, Mr. Trump. This is a joke. Interviewing to run one of your businesses? Where did you find these women. Oh and by the way, George and Carolyn.. you can do a helluva lot better than them too." 
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 2:29 pm
Toral may have not lost this particular task, but she hasn't contributed positively to help them win any either. By her own admission. Why keep someone who has that attitude? The others are awful and inept, but at least they were actually trying to win the task.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 3:20 pm
My problem with Toral is how she came across as being too good to wear that ugly costume but let somebody else who is beneath her. The pm should have asked for a volunteer to wear it. The one girl who ended up wearing it actually called Toral a , very unprofessional!
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Babyboo
Member
06-16-2003
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 4:29 pm
Ita with Ladytex post, exactly right.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 4:39 pm
The others are awful and inept, but at least they were actually trying to win the task. EXACTLY!!!!!!!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 5:40 pm
You know, people are mentioning the PM role. I thought Toral stated that her strength is not advertising, but that if no one else wanted the PM role, she'd do it to prove herself. Then they VOTED, for the other girl, so Toral was never given THAT opportunity. I think the fact that she pointed out her strength is not in advertising was just looking out for the team in a way. If someone else was better at that, then by all means they could do it. They voted against Toral stepping up as PM, but yet they would ALLOW he the costume-wearing role? And then say she never stepped up? No...she stepped up for some things, and you ignored them, and she stepped down for the things you offered her. I don't think Toral should have gone last night. Felicia or Felicity should have gone. Who on earth would VETO branding a mascot?
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 6:18 pm
Trump does not necessarily fire the contestant who was responsible for the loss. That is not a rule or condition for this competition. He fires who he thinks did poorly, whose attitude he dislikes, whose values don't jibe with his, has a personality trait incompatible with business, or, of course, the person responsible for the loss if nothing else hits him harder. Toral was an ego driven, self absorbed elitist. It didn't matter, to Trump, who the hell was responsible! He wanted this intolerable woman out of his sight. I loved that he skipped the ritual of the PM choosing. Sometimes it comes down to getting rid of the thorn. Martha did the same thing this week. Ladytex, I agree and I think Trump is very aware how poorly this team behaves. Toral was under his skin, there is time to get the others later and he will. He is told what is going on. Kristi will be a target of his soon. Just watch. She seems to be the childish ring leader and instigator. Marshawn stands out of the crowd as one who could make it.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 8:01 pm
Toral said in her confessional that her strategy was to stand back and let the others screw up. The argument Trump and George made was sound. Toral could've prevented all the things she complained about and criticized if she had taken the PM role. Instead, she said "I'd like the opportunity to step up at some point, but..." That's not enthusiasm or looking out for the team. She was trying to stay out of the driver's seat because that means going to the boardroom if there's a loss. If she had said "I want to be the PM" and not been wishy-washy there never would've been a vote. Then when Felisha said she didn't have a background in marketing either but that she loves creating something and loves presentation, Toral lied and said she claimed to be a marketing genius. Then when asked to wear the costume she didn't say "This is against my religion and I will not do it." She instead gave more wishy-washy responses like "There are other people who want to do it. I'd rather not do it. I'm not comfortable doing it." I can't imagine that wishy-washy responses work well when running a business. Whether or not the other women have blonde hair is irrelevant in this situation. Marshawn didn't have any love for Toral in the boardroom, and gave her quite a look when she again knocked their backgrounds. The brunette Jennifer W was no fan of Toral's last week. Even Rebecca was miffed that she didn't step up. It's also worth pointing out that Rebecca didn't say "Toral should go because the others refuse to work with her." She said she'd fire Toral because "The team won't work with her on it." It looked to me like the Zip character itself was drawn up by Jennifer M. I wonder if that's why she wanted to point out that she did ask for a DQ logo on it. That wouldn't change the other problem, which was that it was too juvenile. In one of the extra clips at Yahoo we learn that the costume was built for a smaller person, which is why they wanted a smaller person to wear it (Toral being the shortest candidate). There's also Toral's nauseating taxicab rant and exit interview where she's as arrogant as ever, refusing to take any responsibility for her own failures and blaming it all on popularity. She calls the suite a hellhole and says her only regret was not quitting before she could be fired. I think the woman just spent all her life developing her brain and zero time developing any social skills. She really sounds like Omarosa in that cab.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, October 14, 2005 - 8:20 pm
Eeyore, (I will have to check my tape later to confirm this) I don't remember a vote. Toral said (I believe it was after others were prompting her to step up to PM) that she had no background, but if no one else would be PM, she would. She said it very much like she had no desire to be PM. Then Felisha said, well even though she had no experience either, but she'd be happy to step up and be PM. Then I think they agreed that would be ok. (Maybe you could consider that a vote??) My biggest "hangup" with Toral is that Toral did nothing to help them try to win. She was hoping they would lose. You really need to get rid of any team member with that attitude. Even if that means letting an inept team member stay.
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