TVCH FORUMS HOME . JOIN . FAN CLUBS . ABOUT US . CONTACT . CHAT  
Bomis   Quick Links   TOPICS . TREE-VIEW . SEARCH . HELP! . NEWS . PROFILE
Archive through October 05, 2005

The TVClubHouse: Other Reality Shows ARCHIVES: Archives for 2006 - 1: Martha Stewart Apprentice: ARCHIVES: Archive through October 05, 2005 users admin

Author Message
Inkydinkydoo
Member

07-25-2005

Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Inkydinkydoo a private message Print Post    
I had to miss this weeks' show. Anyone care to tell me what the challenge and the reward were? I've only seen one show, but I kept wishing it were more like Wickedly Perfect. Except on Wickedly Perfect, I kept wishing they were eliminated by the judges and not by their peers. You don't usually end up with the best when that happens.


Legalboxer
Member

11-17-2003

Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
i also dont like it being labelled as "charity work" - and there is a big difference in mindset when you are doing a "chariatble" thing versus being able to work with others together for a common goal - it would be charitable if martha or someone donated money to pay people to redo the garden but this was a community effort and the apprentices got to work with the kids and others in the community together to create the garden - much more "rewarding" then just making a "charitable donation" and a way to have them interact with the community members as peers and not just looking at them as people in need of a better neighborhood.



Naja
Member

06-28-2003

Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 8:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Did anybody happen to record her movie? Behind bars? Programming here was pushed an entire hour behind so I managed to record only the first hour, which didn't even show the behind bars part :-(

Curlyq
Member

07-10-2002

Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 8:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Inkydinkydoo, this week's challenge involved setting up a flower shop for one day. The team that made the most money won. Matchstick chose to sell tulips straight from Holland, while Primarius showcased a big-name floral designer and made nearly twice as much money as Matchstick. Their reward was to help plant a garden outside a community center.

Ketchuplover
Member

08-30-2000

Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 8:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
At sucks someone said the show's moving opposite Lost. Can anyone here confirm that?

Curlyq
Member

07-10-2002

Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 9:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Hmm. Legalboxer, I'm having trouble understanding the difference between charity and working toward a common goal for a community you don't live in. For example, I'm currently making stuffed toys for a Christmas toy drive. I'm not donating money so someone else can do it. I'm donating hours and hours of labor, just as Primarius donated their labor. The toys aren't going to my community at all, and I doubt anyone from Primarius lives near that garden. I consider this charity work. To me charity simply means donating time or money or labor toward something you believe in.

I also appreciate those who do give money, though. For most people money represents hours spent at their job, so they're really donating their labor as well.

Good grief! The website does say they're moving the show to 9 opposite Lost. She's been on opposite Lost for the past 2 weeks, but only recaps and encore episodes. Now they're putting her against the new episodes?! Are they actively trying to kill her chances? Guess I'll be recording it from now on.

Theowl
Member

09-28-2000

Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 9:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Theowl a private message Print Post    
My TIVO for the next 2 weeks still has Martha on at 7 with reruns from Lost opposite it and first run Lost at 8. TIVO might be behind now until the next update tomorrow though.

ETA...That's central time zone.

Legalboxer
Member

11-17-2003

Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 12:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
i wasnt saying that charity was only about donating money nor did i say that it was about your won community (i said working with people in the community towards the common goal - not necessarily in the community you live in)

i was simply making the point that community service does not automatically mean charity and while sometimes they can be one and the same, there is also a difference sometimes between doing community service and doing something charitable. Also while charity is always a good thing, sometimes it comes across in a different manner, when some people look at charity as helping those who are beneath them (and hopefully those kind of thinkers are few and fall between but they are out there) and community service equates much much more than just being charitable.

i also have two examples to share - i too love when anyone donates money or material things, it is always vital and always welcomed and never should be ignored in its importance - but donating time and skills CAN be even more valuable and not JUST a "charitable act" eventhough it can be grouped together a lot of the time... i work at a nonprofit that only has 10 staff but works in 21 countries and so one of my main roles in my job is to recruit law firms and schools to take on specific legal projects because there is no way our staff could work on all the projects - and many times attorneys will donate money as a way to show their pro bono actions because they dont have the time to do actual pro bono work and while i fully understand that and realize how important that money is, i also know how much more impactful it is when an attorney or student takes on a specific project to work on it for free - because not only are they able to contribute towards meeting the goal of that project but they are able to get involved and understand at another level about the work they are helping to do and having the chance to get much more initimate knowledge of the issues they are "donating time" towards than if they just write a check and there is those are the people who come back for more.

the other example to the point that i was trying to make in terms of the mindset can be different when you do a charitable act versus community service and working with people in a community together towards a common goal is when i used to run a nonprofit in baltimore that developed programs to unite youth with and without sensory disabilities - one of the biggest messages in our work was never to simply have group A (abled youth) help group B (disabled youth) but to have Group A and Group B work together to help Group C or work together just to unite as one... Its all well and good for kids to something like collect books for the kids at a school for the blind but its a totally different approach when both sides get together to create audio books for another group of kids or both sets of kids work together as counselors at a camp or they both go to a low income housing apartment building and run a bingo night together - and while i can see how those things can be seen as charitable acts in one way, i also see it as them contributing to the community on a whole other level and having that opportunity to interact with the people in the community they are trying to support - i guess my point was community service is not just a charitable act, but its on a whole other level... and just to reiterate, by no means am i trying to belittle or lower the significance of those who do charitable acts - they are of just as much importance but i do think going to help build a garden with people in that community does not automatically fall under simply being a charitable act - its not JUST about donating time or money or labor because its also about involvement and showing the others in the community what they can do as well, and not JUST that there are very nice people out there willing to give for something they believe in

and i guess when i read some of the posts above that talk about it seeming to be forced and a charitable act, it just comes across to ME as saying they were forced to donate to people in need instead of, IN MY VIEW, being given the opportunity to contribute to a community, with people in that community, regardless of whether they are from there or not. I didnt see anything in that which inferred they were donating anything but simply contributing to the building of the garden.

ETA: and it also comes to mind the very fact that they werent FORCED to do anything since they are ALL REQUIRED to do whatever is asked of them while in the game - so how is this any different from being required to redo a house - they never leave the game while there so "rewards" or "tasks" are the same and are what they signed up for - do you really think all of them would have liked to go play hockey against the islanders (i think that was what donald had as a reward this week??) - i may have loved that but i know most of my friends could care less about hockey or try to skate etc and thought of it as a total waste of time and no reward at all - but if its something they all did, its because they know its in thier contract so we people are going to go on that angle, then every reward is just as forced upon them as every task is - its all a requirement and its up to them to respond in whatever way they want - and i am happy that the one lady did comment how it was a good lesson in showing that rewards are not just about receiving but giving - because that lesson is the reward - it doesnt have to tangible and not all rewards are desirable to everyone but the point is, the reward is there being offered to the people on the winning team and whether they SEE that as a reward or nor, whatever it may be, it up to them - but how can anything on this show be forced if they all signed contracts to do the show.



Inkydinkydoo
Member

07-25-2005

Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 5:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Inkydinkydoo a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Curlyq! I hated missing the show. I feel like I'm so far behind.


Theowl
Member

09-28-2000

Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Theowl a private message Print Post    
OK, NOW my TIVO says that Martha is on at 8 CT opposite Lost!! But it is also on at various times on CNBC. BUMMER!!

Curlyq
Member

07-10-2002

Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 2:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Okay, Legalboxer. I think I understand what you were trying to say now. I don't know that I agree with all of it, but at least I get it (I think). You distinguish between community service and charity work because community service is actual hands-on work done in the community. Charity work is a broader term that can mean anything from organizing fundraisers for the project to stuffing envelopes. I do see the gardening as both community service and an act of charity, as they were donating their time and labor for something they won't be reaping the benefits of. They may have been working with a community and having a blast, but charity work can be fun (and when I use the word "charity" I in no way mean to give it a negative connotation).

I guess my point is that it really doesn't seem like they were rewarded by Martha Stewart for their win because they could've done this kind of work on their own. It wasn't a special opportunity that only Martha could give them. If the reward was the opportunity to learn the lesson of giving vs. receiving, was it right to assume these people needed that lesson? It just felt like Martha got out of giving them a reward for their win by sending them to do a community service project. Were they rewarded? Probably, but not by Martha or the show.

Frankly, the rewards on both Apprentice shows have been unimpressive this season. Not to sound sexist, but that hockey game made me suspect that Trump wasn't counting on the women winning that task. Then that one woman ended up injured, and that could affect her performance in future tasks. Martha's rewards have been disappointing as well. She gave them a nice dinner the first week, but had them eat it in a test kitchen instead of going to a restaurant or someplace nice. Who's coming up with these ideas? Are they on a strict budget?

Chieko
Member

11-20-2003

Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 5:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chieko a private message Print Post    
Wow, Curlyq, you aced my feelings again. Ditto, to everything you said. I didn't like Donald's "reward" either.

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 7:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I can't believe they are programming Ms. Stewart opposite Lost. How stupid of NBC. I'm really angry about this--it's like they are actively trying to kill the show. Grrrrrrrrrr.

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 9:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I have FINALLY watched the first 2 episodes, which I've had on tape.

I love the opening music. I have no clue WHY I do, but I just do. It is so "strong" and I guess that just goes so well with my feelings about Martha.

I hated Jim in the first episode, then he got rid of Jeff, so I like him. Then he got REALLY obvious with his "agenda" and I thought his acting was horrible. The way he repeats everything Martha says is annoying. He'll need to tone it down if he wants to stay.

I thought Howie would suck, but I really like him.

The newscaster's hair (bowl-cut) has GOT to go. I can't even LOOK at her on the screen; I usually look away when she's talking. She needs her own C-list talk show on UPN or something. She reminds me of Suze Orman. She is up there with Lydia from Survivor, for crimes against hair.

Bethanny has to get over herself. I can hardly wait til Martha fires her.

Martha's daughter looks like she could prove to be a real b!tch to some of these people. That b!tchiness is really the only reason I'm watching the show. I loved when Martha told that one woman "Oh don't cry. Women in business don't cry" (or something to that effect).

I love that the business team is doing better than the creative team.

I thought I would hate this show, because I really didn't WANT to watch another "Project Runway" type show, where there was too much emphasis on the crafty crap (for MY liking). I think this shows enough controversy for my liking.

Still waiting for Martha to get really angry though. Enough with the "team spirit" pep-talks.

Babyjaxmom
Member

10-20-2002

Monday, October 03, 2005 - 10:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Eeyore, "crafty crap." My feelings exactly. I'm always having people trying to get me to come to their house and do "scrapbooking" with them. Ack! Just not my cup o' tea. Guess that's why I've never been a Martha fan.

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Monday, October 03, 2005 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
When I first started watching The Apprentice, I had no formed opinion of DT. I knew who he was, I'd heard of his financial problems and how he was admired for pulling himself out of them, but knew next to nothing about his personal attitude.

I really didn't think I would like The Apprentice and was amazed that I immediately did, from the first show. The more I watched, the more I respected DT as a business person... I agreed with most of his decisions and I admired the way he interacted with the people who worked for him. Those feelings for DT have continued to the current season.

Oddly, I'm finding the same is true for Martha. I've never really had an opinion about her...I knew of her troubles and I've found some of her kitchen stuff to be very practical and handy (not a kitcheny kind of person). I wouldn't have even considered her show (I'm also not a crafty, warm and fuzzy type person either) except that I got the impression from DT that he admires her immensely. This peaked my curiosity... DT admires Martha? Whats up with that? So I'm watching to find out if I can see what DT "sees" in Martha.

While I'm not so taken with the "warm fuzzys" this show is trying to project, I am starting to see Martha in a different light... a much better one.

Jan
Moderator

08-01-2000

Monday, October 03, 2005 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
E-Ring,' 'Martha' Swap Timeslots on NBC

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) In an effort to bring some life to its flagging Wednesday lineup, NBC has flipped time periods for its two new series "E-Ring" and "The Apprentice: Martha Stewart."

Starting Wednesday (Oct. 5), "E-Ring" -- the Pentagon-set drama starring Benjamin Bratt and Dennis Hopper -- will lead off NBC's night, while Stewart's "Apprentice" will move back an hour to 9 p.m. ET. The venerable "Law & Order" is staying put at 10.

The change comes after two weeks of disappointing ratings for both shows on Wednesday nights, which not too long ago were a strength for NBC. "The Apprentice: Martha" has averaged fewer than 7 million viewers over its first two airings, and while "E-Ring" has built some on its lead-in, it still draws only 8.4 million people for episode.

Neither show has done much in NBC's target demographic of adults 18-49; last week, each averaged a paltry 2.1 rating in the demographic, which represents the sweet spot for advertisers.

The Jerry Bruckheimer-produced "E-Ring" probably stands to benefit more from the change. It will move out of the way of ABC's monster hit "Lost" and into an hour where the only other drama is The WB's "One Tree Hill" -- which hardly goes after the same audience. ABC and CBS both have comedies in the 8 p.m. hour Wednesdays, as will FOX after the World Series ends. UPN airs "America's Next Top Model" in the hour.

That means, though, that "The Apprentice: Martha Stewart" will have to go against "Lost," along with CBS' "Criminal Minds" and, after baseball, FOX's "Trading Spouses." UPN and The WB both air female-centric dramas ("Veronica Mars" and "Related") at 9 p.m.

Zapit

Marameko
Member

07-15-2002

Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Good.............I am glad the show is pushed back an hour,I can finish all my "chores", get clothes ready for work and enjoy watching a little tv before bedtime.

Babyjaxmom
Member

10-20-2002

Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Me, too. I'm usually getting DS to sleep between 8:00 and 9:00 (bath, story, teeth, bed), so I was having to record Martha and watch it at 10:00, following E-Ring. I can live without E-Ring.

Sunrvrose
Member

08-13-2001

Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 6:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunrvrose a private message Print Post    
The time change is very bad news, indeed. I wonder if the same sort of people watch both shows, judging from the chat here, it appears so.

I don't watch Lost because I don't watch anything that get my tummy tied in knots. I can't stand to watch anything that is even the least bit scary. I'm strictly a light fare watcher.

But I've really not liked the Wed. time slot for this show. I'd be happy to see it as the lead in to DT Apprentice on Thursday.

Lilfair
Member

07-09-2003

Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 6:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I DVR Lost it's a great show to watch at my leisure, glass of wine and the husband close.

Apprentice I can watch while I pay bills, fold laundryetc.

So I'll watch Marhta in real time and save Lost for later on.

Finqwik
Member

09-23-2000

Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 7:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Finqwik a private message Print Post    
That's one butt ugly cake IMO

Ketchuplover
Member

08-30-2000

Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 7:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
uh oh I think a cake became unpristine.

Finqwik
Member

09-23-2000

Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 8:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Finqwik a private message Print Post    
Yeah! good for Martha.I wish they would lay off Dawn.

Finqwik
Member

09-23-2000

Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 8:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Finqwik a private message Print Post    
Wow don't piss Martha off.