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Puttergirl
Member
08-11-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:24 am
I have to agree with everyone else. You know its really funny how attached you can get to these people. I really felt like crying when Randal did that, like she was my daughter or something and I felt like slugging that big grin off of his face. I would have loved it if the audience had booed him right off the stage. I wish George and Carolyn had more a chance to give thier opinions. I had the feeling like they were both aiming more toward hiring Rebecca. She'd be a great hire at her young age. She has alot of time to grow within the organization and become a really big part of it. Just like Carolyn did. Trump hired her a young age and look how far she's come. You know what would be some great poetic justice? If Trump didn't continue Randal's contract after one year, but instead got Rebecca to continue the Atlantic City task and she did great at it and continued to rise in the Trump organization!!! Oh, and by the way, there is a such thing as too much education. What's the point after a while. I know- I have several degrees myself and have ended up working with computers, which none of the degrees were for. I think having 5 degrees shows someone who was scared to get out into the big bad world and was trying to become a professional student. Even if he did work in his own corporation at the same time.
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Rabbit
Animoderator
08-12-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:26 am
An Outsiders View. Mine. The last 15 minutes of the show was all I saw of the entire season. I didn't know Randall or Rebecca, it was obvious that DT and crew were extremely impressed with both. Randall shot himself in the left foot and then fired a round into the right foot for good measure. Someone above used a sports analogy but not the way this old sports fan would. You should always honor and praise a vanquished opponent because the measure of a champion is the in the quality of the competitors defeated. The best Gold medal, is when you are one step above a great competitor receiving the silver. If I were already in the Trump organization I would be so cautious of him as someone who puts on a great act as a team player but is selfish at the core. I would want him out when his year is over. DT was clearly not impressed and in his voice it sounded to me like he would have liked to have had a "do over" on who he hired first.
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:29 am
Starman, Good article. Does anyone know which candidate DT did not choose?
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:39 am
Excellent post, Rabbit. Considering how much Trump made it a point to talk about how impressed he had been throughout the process with Rebecca's loyalty and how loyalty was such an important thing in business, Randall really stepped in it. Definitely if I was a co-worker, I'd watch my back.
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:39 am
I was disappointed in Donald this morning on the Today Show. He made a big deal about Yahoo! needed to ante up the money, last night, and then he didn't ante up the job for Rebecca. Just the fact that he gave Randal the choice meant that he would have hired her. He IS the boss, not Randal, so he should have taken care of it like he insisted Yahoo! do.
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:41 am
Also, I have to say that with Rebecca's experience working with non-profits so extensively since the age of 15, she made a big blunder in not setting up the solicitation for EGPAF at the event. You know that the attendees just pitched the envelopes. You have to get people in the moment at those things. Lots of people are asking them for donations, so you have to take advantage of the captive audience and I'm sure that Rebecca knew that with her experience.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:47 am
I completely agree with OI's post from 7.12 this morning.
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Chieko
Member
11-20-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:52 am
Yahoo tied Rebecca's hands at the event as far as fund raising and yet because she honored their wishes and put on a great evening they presented the charity with a check themselves for many, many times greater than Randal's event brought in. In fact Rebecca's actions made money for Randal's charity also.
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Gumby
Member
08-14-2004
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:57 am
I don't understand all the fuss, personally. If Donald really, really wanted to hire both, he would've done it. I don't think his ego is such that he would allow a mere apprentice to make such an important decision. I think it was all for the dramatic effect he knew it would create.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:59 am
Bravo, Chieko!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:20 pm
The whole Randal should have said "hire her", and the "there is only one Apprentice" back and forth commentary is getting stale. I definitely thought that Randal knew both would be hired, as he was privy to the same advertising that WE were. The thing he just didn't grasp was that we the viewers KNOW that Trump wanted to hire Rebecca. So we still think of her as a fellow winner of the job. And we don't take that away from her, just because Trump deferred to Randal for the decision. The show is all about who Trump thinks is the best, and we the viewers CLEARLY see that Rebecca was supposed to be hired. Randal should have realized that we knew it would happen; however, his response was to be a killjoy. Hey, if that is the personality he wants to put out there....great. I hope he's happy with what we think of him now. (It starts with an A and ends in E, but it ain't "Apprentice") Whoever compared this to the Ruben and Clay thing, was bang on. Ruben may have won, but we are all sitting here talking about Clay. We all loved Clay. The great thing about Randal's short-sighted decision, is that Rebecca will probably receive the more positive attention in her non-Apprentice role, than Randal does, being the sole Apprentice. But again, I repeat, if Trump had only hired Randal, we wouldn't be this upset. We all know that Rebecca was the weaker of the two. I personally think that RANDAL should have received the Yahoo job. He would have fit in so well in a company that cared more about themselves and how THEY would be perceived, than about the charity or the giving to others. On a final note, I find the comments about minority-sponsored businesses, border on offensive. Just because the guy is black, doesn't mean that he got a free ticket to success. The man has tons of education, and is a Rhodes Scholar. You don't get those accolades on a basketball scholarship and a D average. It will be good to know that the "you should have hired that girl" comment will most likely follow him around longer than the "you are The Apprentice" title that he felt he deserved.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:23 pm
Everyone here has made some fantastic posts... but I think we all know that Clay really won!!!  
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:27 pm
Yahoo is actually a very good company. As their founders point out, You Always Have Other Options. They believe that in many facets of their business. The Yahoo execs made a terrible blunder by insisting that their branding and their image be the primary focus of the event. They ended up with egg on their faces and only saved face in the finale by presenting the $100,000 check. I have to wonder what the performance evaluations said for those execs who were in charge of the event. I think, overall, it ended up being very bad publicity for the company (except among those who actually attended the party, perhaps). Personally, I felt that Rebecca and her team should have pushed back a bit more on the Yahoo folks and reminded them that this was supposed to be a benefit for the Glaser foundation, not Yahoo. There are lots of ways of soliciting donations without making guests feel put upon. They could have done it if they'd pushed back. Rebecca focused on Yahoo as the customer instead of on the charity. She did a great job for Yahoo as a result, but she picked the wrong target, as Trump pointed out. That doesn't negate all the good work she did, though, and I think she'll be very successful. It's too bad that Randal sullied the whole win with his comments at the end. Now people will remember him for that instead of for all the hard work he did.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:30 pm
I was disappointed in Randall and was surprised at his answer, I would have bet money he wouldn't have done that. It really didn't even make sense, who cares if she also got job...he would still be the winner and the best winner of all...the winner that also had the power to hire someone else for a different job. I hope DT still hires her,,, I was shocked at how young she is, didn't realize it before..she will go far in life even if she doesn't work for DT
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:31 pm
Oh PS!! I thought the guy who was the comedian MC <acted very> obnoxious<ly>? Did he grate on anyone else, like he did with me??
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Gumby
Member
08-14-2004
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:46 pm
ITA Eyeore. He was like nails on a chalkboard to me!
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 1:18 pm
This morning on the Today Show, Randall himself made the "Olympic" analogy. (and he disturbed me even more) Randall said: "the analogy is, if you were given a gold medal, and then somebody offered you the opportunity to give that gold medal to a silver medalist - would you have done that? Absolutely not. You would want to keep the gold medal for yourself" See, that's not an appropriate analogy at all. Randall would not be stripped of his title at all. And we don't even know if Rebecca would have even been declared "an Apprentice" as well (although I'm sure the media would have stated that regardless). Trump just said "should I hire Rebecca also?" - after Randall was already declared THE WINNER And since the Olympics analogy seems to be a theme here - hasn't there been a tie gold medal? Personally, I think it would have worked more favorably for Randall to say yes because (besides good sportsmanship); it would show good business sense to want to add a valuable employee to the organization (and Randall seemed to respect and believe that Rebecca was good) I did say this before, but I still think it was wrong for DT to even put that on Randall. If DT wants to hire Rebecca, he can and will. Maybe DT wanted to see how Randall handled his first "business decision"?
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Holly
Member
06-19-2005
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 1:19 pm
Well, Randall's fifteen minutes of fame lasted all of 15 seconds. Now he has a lifetime of notoriety ahead. Fool!
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 1:36 pm
It's too bad that Randal sullied the whole win with his comments at the end. Now people will remember him for that instead of for all the hard work he did. It's too bad that TRUMP and BURNETT sullied Randal's win with their ill-conceived plan, which made their winner look like a jerk at the last minute. Shame on them!!!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 1:38 pm
Nope, I have to say it fell totally on Randal's shoulders. Blaming DT or MB does not erase the fact that Randal blew it big time. He hurt his own reputation so much.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 1:41 pm
I know that, Julie, it's just too bad that DT and Mark Burnett had to put him in that position. They've never done that to any other candidate. I just don't think they should've done it here. We'd all still think Randal was a great guy if they hadn't put him in that position.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 1:43 pm
I agree, they shouldn't have, but who's to say they didn't do it on purpose???? It's too bad he had to come crashing down off that pedestal I had him on!
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 1:46 pm
My point exactly, Julieboo! They should have left him up there and let all of us (and him!) enjoy his well-deserved win! Now he'll always be known as "that guy who wouldn't give that girl a job." My what a hornet's nest DT and MB have stirred up! Just found this on MSNBC.com: Readers react to ‘Apprentice’ finale Was it racist of Trump to ask Randal to share title? MSNBC Updated: 2:26 p.m. ET Dec. 16, 2005 Thursday night, the fourth edition of "The Apprentice" came to an end, but the controversy has just begun. Randal was a star from the beginning, and it was no surprise when Donald Trump offered him the job as his latest Apprentice. What was a little surprising was what happened next: As he had hinted he'd do all night long, Trump seemed ready to hire both Rebecca and Randal for different jobs in his organization. Yet when he asked Randal for his opinion, the winner quickly stated that he felt there should be only one Apprentice. And in a most un-Trumplike move, the billionaire went along with his newest hire's decision. Everyone can agree that's what happened. But no one can agree on anything else. Many think race was a factor: Randal is Trump's first African-American "Apprentice," and some thought Trump was racially biased in asking him to not be the only "Apprentice" when none of the other winners, who were all white, held the title alone. Some pointed out that the first finale was also between a white and an African-American contender, yet when a white man, Bill, won, he wasn't asked his opinion about also hiring African-American Kwame. [snip] URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10496026/from/RS.5/ (c)
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Merrysea
Member
08-13-2004
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 1:49 pm
Everyone keeps comparing this to sports - why not compare it to Survivor? When Rupert didn't win All Stars, he was given a special America's Choice check for $1 million. I also lost respect for Randal last night. And here I was thinking that it had to have a happy ending!
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2005 - 2:15 pm
"I completely agree with OI's post from 7.12 this morning." Ditto to that. I went to bed very happy last night only to find this morning that I am suppose to abhor someone who deserved what they won. I feel like I watched a completely differently show from other people. I agree with not wanting to work with someone you can't trust but imagine people judging you so harshly at work who had only met you moments before? Randall gave a simple but heart-felt talk to the audience at his event about the autism charity which led to people opening their pocket books up. Rebecca had nothing to say other then to introduce the Donald. I felt she lost the competition at that point. Yes, Rebecca is amazing for her age but was she better then Randall? No. Does condemning Randall make her better for the job? No. His final speeches to Trump focused on himself and his accomplishments. Her speeches focused more on why she was better then Randall or why she should win over Randall. I know exactly which one I would rather work with. While I was surprised at Randall's final comments, I also remember Trump commenting on how Randall might be too nice and not tuff enough for the job. Nope ~ after listening to Rebecca backstab him in so many ever-so-subtle-but-nice ways, he found his balls and put it out there straight - he wouldn't hire her and I for one loved the moment! Condemn me away . . . . . . 
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