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Cablejockey
Member
12-27-2001
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 11:55 am
I was dispapointed to see Jeff go also, and wished the creepy guy who doesnt like anybody telling him what to do, had gone. The teams names could have been better.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 12:33 pm
Maybe it was just me, but I was kinda shocked that Ms. Stewart split an infinitive in the first sentence of her letter. She said that Jeff was the first contestant to go and the first one "not to fail, but not to fully succeed." I know that even the OED says we can split infinitives now (and even dangle prepositions), but Ms. Stewart has always struck me as someone who must have dog-eared pages of Strunk and White's Elements of Style. I think it's safe to say that E.B. White would never have split an infinitive. I also liked the way this show is shot with a blue-grey filter. It looks much better than the molten golden tones of Old Don's show. I also loved her sardonic expression in the conference room. No need for words. Ms. Stewart's countenance says it all.
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 2:43 pm
I liked the show, but I've always loved Martha Stewart, so I am somewhat biased. I really liked the subtlety of Martha's world after seeing the over-the-top world of Trump (I'm not dissing the Trumpster, I like him too). I'm not sure how I feel about the letter. At first I thought it was kinda cheesy, but then I thought it was kinda cool...and I keep going back and forth. Still think the names are bad, although I much prefer Matchstick. I wish we'd seen more about how they decided on those names. Maybe there will be something on the insider footage...provided there is any of that. Also loved Martha's would the book have been better without the banana line!
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 2:57 pm
Tishala, I notice grammar gaffs all the time. I did not listen to that letter closely because I got distracted by my own revulsion when she whipped out the stationary. I watched only one episode of the Hiltons and was aghast that Kathy said, "What would you have done different?" A woman of her supposed stature not using an adjective correctly astounded me. She must have made many more if this I catch in one viewing.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 3:36 pm
I enjoyed the premier too. Didn't like Jeff at all, and was glad to see him go. His towering over Dawn and saying something to the effect that HE was the PM so therefore what HE says goes....not a team player AT ALL! His dismissal of Dawn and what she was trying to discuss with him was awful. As for Dawn and her need to have a banana right then and there. Well, I don't know what her situation was, but I know there are several times where, if I haven't eaten all day, I get what I assume is a hypoglycemic moment. I get dizzy and lightheaded, weak kneed, and my hands shake uncontrollably. I know from past experience I have to get something...even just a few bites...in me right away or I will be worthless. I've never let it get to the point of my passing out, but sometimes I feel like I could if I don't address it right away. Of course, a banana probably wouldn't have been my choice (anything with any sort of sweet taste at all in those moments make it worse), but that's another issue. Just wondering if that was where Dawn was coming from, or if she really was just selfish and lacking "sense of urgency" for the reading of the book.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 3:46 pm
If Dawn hadn't been so "weird" (for lack of a better word) when she was supposed to be doing the writing (a la "I need silence.") then I might have cut her some slack for wanting a banana. She was the one writer they had and she totally failed them. Jeff I liked. I do agree he was way too harsh in his team leader role. He should have been much more flexible and should have tried to get everyone to come together. He took the whole thing over by himself. So he was ultimately responsible. But I still liked him better than either Dawn or Jim.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 3:49 pm
Jeff was very likable on Martha's show today. But man, she sure did kinda slam him just before he came on. She showed some clips (of him being bossy and saying shut up) and then said something like "Before I saw the clips, I wasn't sure if the right decision was made, but now I am sure we did pick the right person to go." Then she introduced Jeff.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 5:13 pm
Jeff was likeable? You been smokin Clio's pipe? 
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 5:17 pm
Did you see him on Martha? You didn't think so? Oh well, pass the pipe back here anyways! ETA He was quite the suck-up though...
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 5:32 pm
I liked the show. I did not like Jeff but I wanted him to stay just for entertainment. Dawn wasn't as annoying but she seems boring. The loud guy, Jim?, he should be fun to watch.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 5:55 pm
Julie, I didn't see him on Martha. I gather he presented an affable side. That does not surprise me. I have not seen anything other than last night. That team is doomed!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 5:58 pm
I think you are right. And what a shame cuz they have the better name! And he was very nice, but somewhat of a suck-up. He brought Martha a "craft" that he did that he learned from her show. It was a quilling piece that must have taken him a long time to do..
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Finqwik
Member
09-23-2000
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 6:14 pm
OMG! Martha split an infinitive! Well I bet she picked that up in prison!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 6:15 pm
LOL Fin!!!!
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 6:28 pm
Well, I have a degree in English Lit, and I'm ashamed to tell you that I don't know what a split infinitive is. I do notice when people use words incorrectly (think we've had this conversation before, Fruitbat!). Personal pet peeve is when people say they felt "badly." Yeesh! I have visions of them feeling things with their fingertips . . . and doing a very poor job of it!
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 7:36 pm
Jeff wasn't exactly affable on Ms. Stewart's talk show today, but he seemed more "regular." Alexis and Mr. Koppelman, on the other hand, just seemed weird! Alexis just seems like a waste of space much of the time IMO. Anyhow, Jeff gave Ms. Stewart a gift--some lovely kind of florid paper art on a canvas (?) background that had been featured in Martha Stewart Living many years ago. It looked really complicated and it was quite charming. A split infinitive is when one inserts a word--usually an adverb--into a verbal phrase (i.e., to say "to boldly go" instead of "to go boldly" or "to not be" instead of "not to be").
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 7:48 pm
I loved the show. I thought Martha was just right. I was REAL happy to see Jeff go. If anyone spoke to me in that manner, they would have to worry about me splitting something much more personal than an infinitive. As I said in my first post I am such a fan of Martha, I'm really happy that so many of you enjoyed her show. And what a night for me tonight, Survivor on at 7 here in Sacto, then the dance off results at 8, then Apprentice at 9. I am very excited.
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Ocean_islands
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 8:05 pm
It's going to be interesting because Martha is going to lose it at some point. She was holding it in pretty well this week, obviously it's an unknown quantity, a new show, a bit uncertain .... but she is going to let loose at some point and obviously that's the Martha we need to see. Alexis is the weak locus of the show -- I just hope this show does not crush her because I think it may turn on her eventually.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 10:02 pm
This split infinitive stuff is just nonsense. It's the same kind of nonsense of not ending a sentence with a preposition. Winston Churchill's response to someone who rewrote a sentence he wrote that ended in a preposition: "This is the kind of nonsense up with which I shall not put."
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 10:10 pm
I enjoyed this version of the Apprentice very much. Maybe it's because Martha's years of TV experience make her so much more watchable than Trump. I loved the look of the show, with cheerful surroundings rather than dark boardrooms or solid gold wallcoverings. I still enjoy Trump's Apprentice, but I think there's definitely room for both. Didn't like the "you don't fit in." It conjures up memories of snobby high school kids. I would've expected something like "Your work was not a good thing." It's the phrase she's already known for. I had to laugh at the letter writing at the end. That was so very Martha Stewart to follow up with a cordial letter reminding the guy of why he was fired.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 10:40 pm
The stuff about Ms. Stewart's split infinitive may be nonsense, but it was just my observation. Please feel free to ignore my nonsensical observations in the future.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 11:24 pm
Tishala, I always enjoy your very insightful observations and appreciate the thought that goes into them. I still don't understand this split infinitive thingy, but do understand how awkward Martha's sentence was that started this whole conversation. Keep making us think! I didn't split anything there, did I? 
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Chieko
Member
11-20-2003
| Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 11:51 pm
Sunrvrose, I don't believe Jeff would have ever talked to you in that manner. The way I perceived the situation was that Dawn was not trying to work with the team and Jeff was tired of her attitude and wasting his time. He dismissed her because he found it impossible to get through to her. In my perception his treatment was case specific.
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Alliet
Member
07-11-2005
| Friday, September 23, 2005 - 1:24 am
I didn't like Jeff at all. He didn't want to listen to anybody on his team at all. He didn't come across as a team player at all. Didn't like creepy guy who wanted everyone to either be on the same page with him or not at all in his way. He is a little whacko. Why is MS's daughter one of the co-hosts? Nepotism?
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, September 23, 2005 - 8:04 am
Allie, it's Martha's company so she can hire whomever she wants to. I will add that I think Alexis is about as useful as (and has the personality of) a celery stick.
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