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Dfng
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08-04-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
Kep421...I see your point. By the way, I don't think Randall is a bad or awful person - I just think he made a bad choice. This shocked me because I considered Randall someone who could think quickly on his feet.

Ocean_islands
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09-07-2000

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ocean_islands a private message Print Post    
I don't think it's about Randall at all.

It's about Trump. Everybody knows Trump has no class.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
I am totally biased and a Randal fan..........but I don't understand all the negativity over Randal's answer. He was IMO the clear winner.Of all the times for Trump to deicde to hire 2 Apprentices.

Here we go again........this is going to be just like Reuben vs Clay.And those who don't agree can post tuntilthye are blude in the face, but you'll need to get over it as the clear winner has the job.
THE END

Holly
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06-19-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Yeah, but for how long?

Very bad move on Randall's part. It's brought Trump's show a LOT of negativity.

Coneflower
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08-07-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Coneflower a private message Print Post    
I agree with Ocean .... Trump never should have thrown that at Randall right after he just announced he was hired. I can't blame Randall for what he said in the heat of the moment. It's easy for Rebecca to say today that she would have said to hire Randall too. If the situation had been reversed, Randall would probably be saying the same thing today. You know what they say about hindsight . I think it was mean of Trump and he should have either hired both of them himself or left things alone. Actually, I feel a bit sorry for Randall ... he's the one getting all the grief about Trump's stupid move.

Pixieduster
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09-27-2004

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pixieduster a private message Print Post    
On the Imus show this a.m., Randall said he'd heard rumblings about the potential for both he and Rebecca to be offered jobs at the end. He stated he had prepared what to say in the event this happened.

The words "sore winner" come to mind.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I agree... I think this "twist" wasn't fair to either Randal OR Rebecca...

But hindsight is 20/20 and I'm sure DT realizes that maybe he should have handled this differently.

Actually I find it ironic that DT didn't explore all the possibilities of this "twist", and the one thing he got on Randal for was not preparing for all possibilities with plans B-Z...LOL

Rubyroo77
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08-13-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rubyroo77 a private message Print Post    
I think Randall might have had a clue to what was going to happen- Kep421- because his answer was fluid and thought out well enough for him to repeat it again this morning on the Today Show.

I truly believe it is about ego. The Randall that we saw every week was VERY different from the man we saw last night. Like Clutterfree mentioned- he thought of Rebecca as his little sister- yet last night he treated her as if she were the enemy.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
WHOA, so he prepared himself to say that? How rude!


If Randall had the Trump organization's best interests at heart, he would have said, "absolutely, hire all the quality people you can get. --- I agree!!!

Rubyroo77
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08-13-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rubyroo77 a private message Print Post    
Thanks Pixieduster- I knew his answer was too eloquent to be thought of off the top of his head.

Bastable
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07-09-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bastable a private message Print Post    
Put me in the camp of people who really loved Randal before he decided to hog the win for himself.

I thought it showed no grace, poor sportsmanship, and a genuine selfishness on his part. He had the chance to transform that girl's life and he torpedoed her dreams without even turning to her to apologize. Truly lousy, greedy behavior. And I LIKED him.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Keep in mind that Trump himself (before he asked Randall the fateful question) said that this was NOT just a game show/competition. He said it was about truly finding and hiring high quality employees for his business.

I think Trump was truly surprised by Randall's answer. I think DT anticipated that Randall would just automatically hire Rebecca.

After all, it IS ultimately about Trump's business, it's not about Randall's ego or fame or moment in the sunlight. And Trump said so himself.

Cathie
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08-16-2000

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cathie a private message Print Post    
I wondered if Randal had prepared that speech, in the event Donald asked them before announcing his decision why he shouldn't hire both of them. It sounded to me like Randal had that speech rehearsed down to the last syllable, but it was more of a speech defending only one winner, not a clear winner and an also-hired. It didn't fit the situation presented to him.

Also, I have worked most of my career for and with non-profits and would have been very disappointed either of these situations. I was fully expecting the Yahoo guy to announce that after the event X number of envelopes were returned with a total donation of $XXX,XXX. I would also be dissapointed with a huge NY fundraiser that only contributed $11,000 to my organization. In my opinion both fundraisers failed. It would have been better for the sponsoring company to donate the money spent on food, signs, decor, etc. to just make a donation to the charity. The amount spent on either of these functions had to be well over $11,000.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Randall is on The Today Show right now. And I'm still not impressed. He referenced the gold medal too. But he got the analogy wrong... Trump wouldn't be giving HIM a silver medal instead of a gold. He would've still had that danged gold medal. However, Trump would've also had a silver medal to bestow, and he would've been giving Rebecca the silver medal.

I, too, thought Randal was rehearsed last night. Too rehearsed, in my opinion. I thought Rebecca had thought about her answers, too, but they sounded less rehearsed to me.

Very definitely ego was involved. Maybe that was why I didn't like Randal as much as the rest of y'all... I do think he thought he was better than everyone else. And I do think part of that his his five degrees. However, as Rebecca stated, having an education does not a leader make.

All in all... bleah! There were a lot of unlikeable people this season, and some pretty incompetent folks (especially considering Trump himself chose these contestants, unlike in past seasons).

Go Rebecca! :-)

Pixieduster
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09-27-2004

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pixieduster a private message Print Post    
I think Randall could have found a different way to express his desire to be the one and only winner - the "sole Apprentice" - yet still been gracious.

When asked a question by your boss, yes...you do give an honest answer. But I also think you need to read the signals of the boss, and clearly there was a signal that Trump wanted to also acknowledge Rebecca. One of Covey's Seven Habits is - "Seek first to understand than to be understood." Having had time to prepare an answer to the potential for Trump to offer them both jobs (as Randall stated on his interview with Don Imus this a.m.), Randall could have found a way to verbalize his desire to be recognized as the clear winner while still allowing Trump to be magnanimous. In doing so, Randall would have shown greater intelligence and garnered more respect, IMHO.

On Imus, Randall said Trump had two good candidates in Bill Rancic and Kwame Jackson but he didn't offer them both a job. Why should he do it now? That kind of thinking is small - in other words, "We've always done it this way, so we're not going to change." Not indicative of flexibility and creativity to me.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Honestly, I never thought Randal was all that creative anyways. I thought he was a bit more rigid that I'd have liked.

Bastable
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07-09-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bastable a private message Print Post    
Randal should be more generous. True generosity is sorely missing in today's business world.

Honestly-- greediness and selfishness is what I expect from today's business world in America. It's a big shame, but why should we expect more? People like Randal are groomed to make money, not make lives better. It's how companies can fire thousands of people one day, and the stock rises.

What he did was self-serving. He should have spread the wealth--it's better karma.

Pixieduster
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09-27-2004

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pixieduster a private message Print Post    
Costa, I thought that too. The two videos they showed of Rebecca and Randall in their element - back in their home territories was so indicative of the differences between them. Rebecca's was great - showing her working with the non-profit, reporting facts and figures, etc. While Randall's was him standing in front of a board room type table asking if there were any questions. I just never saw depth in him. Hers was great energy, his was flat energy. He reminds me of people I know who start companies to participate in the women and minority-owned business process - companies who work on government projects are "encouraged" to enter into contracts with women and minority owned businesses. Their start up money often comes from other sources rather than any personal capital. Don't get me wrong - not a bad business practice at all. I just wonder how/if his "businesses" will continue to operate while he's Apprenticizing. (If he's started 5 businesses, are they all still operating?)

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Interesting that on the Today Show, Donald and Randy appeared together. Donald's only comment about Randy's decision was that, "he is tough".

They brought out Rebecca separately and she stated, "she would have definitely said hire Randy".

A representative from Yahoo offered Rebecca a position live and Rebecca said that she would enjoy discussing this later on. Rebecca was poised and confident.

They both had a lot to offer and both made a few mistakes during the process. I liked them both but am bothered with Randy's decision.

What really surprised me was Matt Lauer saying, "he admired Randy for his decision".

Starman
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07-28-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Starman a private message Print Post    
I didn't see this posted yet. Good article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10485160/

Rubyroo77
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08-13-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rubyroo77 a private message Print Post    
Thanks for posting the link, Starman. I think the author summed it up beautifully! Like Trump said this morning- 99% of the public would have hired Rebecca had they been in Randall's shoes. It just makes me feel happy that all along I wanted Rebecca to win..and in my eyes..she is the winner- I'll take common sense over higher education any day!

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Ruby, for catching that 99% comment. I forgot it.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Well, I just have to say I was as shocked and outraged as most of the rest of you last night when Randal refused to "share the wealth." But now that I've read through all the above postings and had time to think about it, I put the blame squarely on DT and Mark Burnett. They should NEVER have put Randal in that position. It really did diminish his win. We should all be celebrating a truly classy guy's victory this morning, but instead the appointment of the first African American Apprentice has been overclouded by all this negativity. Shame on Donald Trump and Mark Burnett!

Webchiq
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07-11-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Webchiq a private message Print Post    
I was with Randal from day one, one move completely blew that away. And, I am a business owner who hires people. I would have fired Randal and hired Rebecca on the spot, after that answer.

Grammy
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07-07-2005

Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grammy a private message Print Post    
I have to agree with everyone. I always liked Randal and figured it would be between Randal and Rebecca. I think Randal is a bit erogant. Rebecca respected Randal where as Randal never said he respected Rebecca. The other part of the final that I didn't care for was asking Alla what her opinion is.. She is the most mean and hateful person I have ever seen. Could you imagine working for her. yikes. Last night I lost so much respect for Randal and after watching the clip of him on the morning show. (didn't see the one with Rebecca, ) I really lost respect. Very self centered for sure. sorry that is my opinion. But I also feel trump shouldn't have asked Randal what he felt on it. He should have just hired rebecca, she is one hard working gal.. He had two projects so why not hire both.