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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 8:41 pm
Well, Cd, just shows that The Donald made a good decision getting rid of her. I had high hopes for her in the beginning. Apparently, though, she needed to buy a clue! Thanks for spoiling, all! Great job! And extra bellinis for Eeyore!!!! BELLINIS!
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 11:23 pm
Maybe Marshawn's point is that only Brian should've been fired. Clearly she dropped the ball here, and I'm loving the double firings, too. However, I got the impression that Marshawn felt she was just a casualty of Brian's critical mistake. I have a feeling Marshawn was distancing herself from the presentation because she was clueless about Star Wars. Perhaps if they'd made it to their meeting she would've known more about the gist of the movie and could've contributed more ideas. Still, it goes back to what Christy said weeks ago when she noticed that Marshawn handed off the responsibility of the car commercial even though she was PM at the time. Maybe Christy, Alla, and Felisha weren't just being snotty as some people wanted to believe. So far Alla and Felisha have done pretty well, while Rebecca and Marshawn have been unimpressive even with the illustrious Randall on their side. Rebecca was smart to take the role of hero by stepping up and volunteering knowing she couldn't be blamed if they failed given her lack of prep time. Best way to guarantee her security in the boardroom. She'd better start coming up with big ideas, though. They've depended way too much on Randall for that. It's interesting to look at their stats. Clay and Randall both have 2 wins as PM, but Clay has 6 wins overall while Randall has 5. Among the women, only Alla has led a team to a win. Rebecca has been through 6 losses while Felisha and Alla have had 5. Did it look like all 6 of them will work together on the next task?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 2:13 am
In many ways it is too bad that Randall was immune. He supposedly was a huge star wars fan...and he didnt Know that Darth Vader is THE archvillan of the show!? IF he had watched the last movie, Randall would have known it was about how/why Darth Vader originated. Yes there were errors...I thought Marshand definitely needed to be fired, but The PM made a mistake with timing of a cab ride! and not One member of the team attempted to get them out hte door quicker. The reason their task failed TRULY was that Randall misled them about what the movie was about. I hate this concept of teams. I really think that people deliberately fail to perform 'hoping' that someone else will be blamed. Randall was safe...he could let the team fail and know that a competitor would be eliminated. This seems to be happening alot this season. I feel that is why DT is trying to scare them by firing more than one person.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 6:52 am
Three points/questions (after rewatching the show with full attention. It IS hard to watch and spoil--even if it's only "one sentence here and there" spoiling.) ONE: Where was Randall when they were debating the presentation? He would have been my first choice by a mile. He really did a great job when he spoke at the Annex thing last week. Plus he has a great presence-tall and a good voice. He just kinda sat there at the boardroom too. TWO: Why didn't the whole team of Excel go to the meeting? Especially Randall if he was the only one familiar with Star Wars? THREE: Who, from Capital Edge, was supposed to do the presentation? If it was always supposed to be Clay (and assuming that it was all agreed upon beforehand) then why was Alla moaning about Clay making it look like he was the brains behind everything? If you are doing the presentation, then you should look like you know everything. I personally thing Clay is a twit and Alla deserves credit, but why didn't they have her do the presentation?
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Luloo
Member
11-08-2005
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 6:59 am
Geez I love those cab rides at the end! I laughed and laughed when Marshawn gave her monologue pointing out all of Brians faults as he sat slouched down sullenly staring out the window. Fantastic comedy. (maybe he wasn't slouched, he is pretty short)
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 7:10 am
I don't think Randall underperformed because he was safe. If he was doing that, why not give in when Marshawn wanted to focus on the "new characters". It is possible that he hadn't seen the newer Star Wars movies (didn't we only hear him describing the Luke Skywalker ones?) or just hadn't seen that one. And, even though the Sith movie was all about how Anakin becomes Darth Vader, the Vader character is only in the end of the movie. Should they have included him, yes. I think they could have done something interesting with the transition of Anakin to Vader...and with the chancellor, too. Do they have the opportunity to do any sort of research on the merchandise they promote? We've seen them doing internet research and such in past seasons. How hard would it have been to find info on Star Wars rather than just relying on what one team member tells you? I mean, I'd think they'd get enough information just from reading the DVD box to help them with that...or just from looking at the characters that were chosen for the box (Darth Vader, Anakin, Obi Wan, Padme and the Chancellor)! Brian definitely deserved his firing, too. Being late for the meeting was just unforgiveable for someone who lives in New York. Heck, I live nowhere near New York, but I would know better than to leave at 10am for a 10:15 meeting. If you get there too early, then you find something to do nearby until meeting time. How on earth does Clay get that he doesn't need to respect his teammates from what Bill said? Bill was talking about the importance of winning and of being a stand-out in a good way. I don't remember Bill being anything less than respectful to any of the other Apprenti during his season. I am so glad his team didn't give him that exemption. Maybe next week we can be rid of him. I guess they'll reshuffle the teams next week, since Capital Edge has 4 and Excel is down to 2. Wonder what the new teams will be. I missed the next week promo, so I didn't see who they showed working together in the different clips. Will Excel get to choose 1 person, or will they do a complete reshuffle? Julie, I have no answers for you, but wondered all the same things myself. My guess on why Clay presented instead of Alla would be that Clay, as PM, decided he should do the presentation. Possibly so that he would look like the brains behind it all. As for Randal not doing the presentation, again only a guess, but perhaps it was because he'd already done so much, that they felt someone else should present. "maybe he wasn't slouched, he is pretty short" - that's funny Luloo. Although I know it is terrible to make fun of such things. When they were all in the boardroom, I remember looking at how small Brian looked compared to the others and thinking they should give him a booster seat.
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Survivoraddict
Member
09-02-2005
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 7:36 am
Marshawn you deserved to be fired!!!! You do not pull a stunt such as backing out of your part of a task, and then not have a good excuse! No wonder you got fired!!!!!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 7:46 am
especially when she explained the reason she wanted to back out was cuz she had no confidence in their display and didn't want to be blamed. Even though Brian did screw up with the meeting, I think Marsh deserved to go ten times more than Brian.
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Ocean_islands
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 7:59 am
I'm not clear on why Clay is being villified because he directed Alla to do the creative part of the project. He's the pm, he doesn't have to actually "do" the work. And as the pm it's logical he would do the presentation. I would guess his team resents him because of his manner which clearly is lacking in the people skills department.
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:16 am
I don't think Clay's being villified for directing Alla to do the creative part or for doing the presentation himself. I don't think we're villifying him at all. He (it can't ALL be the editing) is acting like the "villain" and we are simply pointing it out. While the PM doesn't have to actually do the work (although I'd disagree with that, especially with the teams down to 4), Clay's idea of direction was basically telling Alla that she seemed to know what she wanted, then going off to flirt. The project manager should probably be a bit more involved in the creative direction of the task...since that pretty much was the task. Just my opinion, of course.
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Ocean_islands
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:38 am
And you are entitled to it --- but my response would be that it is based heavily upon the editing of the show. I don't believe that the show is edited to reflect reality, but to create a controversy, so I don't quite buy that he told 'Alla that she seemed to know what she wanted, then went off to flirt'. It smacks of an angle. I missed the show the previous week but I understand they disliked Clay for some reason. So I might argue they already disliked him and were still trying to 'get rid of him'. So I'm not certain it had that much to do with his actions this week as pm. In any case, it's an interesting dynamic. I like both Alla and Clay -- not sure why, but I think they are both very creative and capable, with different management styles.
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:48 am
I think Rebecca is a straight arrow. No hidden agendas. I like her. Dalm.
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:58 am
A little catch-up of last week: each team had to give a class at the Learning Annex. Adam was PM for the Clay/Alla/Felisha/Adam.Markus team (Capital Edge). They chose "Sex in the Workplace". Clay made some comments during the presentation that the other team members found inappropriate, including a comment that Adam felt was anti-Semitic (or could have come off as anti-semitic to the people in the class. There's been a lot of debate as to whether Adam overreacted, whether Clay was joking...but Adam did say in the boardroom that he didn't think Clay was anti-semitic). Capital Edge lost. Reference was made to Clay's comments in the boardroom. Clay felt they were trying to get him fired. Markus got fired. When Clay and Adam got on the elevator to go upstairs, Clay told Adam not to speak to him, then kind of slammed the door open when they got to the suite (can you slam a door open?). Clay felt wronged and his team felt that he would be out for revenge or would hold a grudge. I wouldn't say any of them disliked him from the previous week, they just didn't trust that he'd come back and be a team player. And his interviews...at least what we are shown...seem to support that. I don't think the others were out to get him, just that they felt he was a reason they lost that task. One of the things I love about these boards is seeing how we can watch the same thing and have very different takes on it. I love reading all the opposing opinions and throwing in my own !
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:02 am
Curly, I agree. I think Marshawn decided she wanted nothing to do with the presentation, since if they lost, the rest of the team would pin it on the presenter. And I totally lost respect for her for not owning up to it. The way she babbled about how Brian would do a better job and then how Rebecca took it over. She should've stepped up and told Rebecca, no, I'll do it if Brian won't. I had high hopes for that girl, but she really ended up being mostly useless, in my opinion. And Brian? I loved that Trump totally raked him over the coals for the getting stuck in traffic thing. Hell, I can't even get to most places in San Diego in 15 minutes. If you aren't walking in NYC, there ain't no way you can figure you'll be there that quickly. Silly man. He, too, deserved to go. They lost because he had no idea what the Lucas execs wanted. I didn't think Clay gave responsibility to Alla. I think it was plain that he had no clue where to go, and she didn't want to fail and so stepped up to the plate. I wasn't really sure if I'd like her or not, but she really has performed quite well. Unfortunately, I think Trump is a bit too conservative and her past will come back to haunt her (meaning, if she even makes it to F2, she will not get the apprenticeship because of her past career choices). Just my opinion. I could be wrong! What I wanna know is... they all had the DVDs of "Revenge." Why didn't any of them sit down and actually watch the movie. They would've seen that all the new characters were really extraneous. Heck, I've not even seen that movie and *I* know that the story of Darth Vader is THE story. How did he come to be as he is? It was a great mystery in all the previous movies and they shoulda known to capitalize on it. And I agree with whomever it was earlier who could not believe that so many of 'em didn't know anything about Star Wars. Um, hello? Where HAVE you been? (And Trump was wrong. Or exaggerated. The Star Wars franchise has not been around for 30 years. Close but not yet. I think 27 years? I love how he always rounds up! <wink>) Clay is gonna be the next one out, if his team loses. I loved watching his expression as each teammate voted against his exemption next time. His petulant behavior is gonna come back and bite him in the arse. I, too, don't get how Clay doesn't get that he needs the respect of his teammates. He also doesn't get that if you don't have respect in the workplace -- no matter what you do or for whom you work -- you will be doomed to failure. I'm now thinking that F3 will be Randal, Rebecca, and Alla. Unless one of 'em does the really stoopid thing that we saw on the previews. I'm thinking Felisha is a noncompetitor (she's been under the radar since the rest of the blondes got the boot). Clay is not long for this show. And I think Adam has potential, but not for Trump and not now (maybe in another five years).
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:54 am
Actually Costa - Trump said something to the effect of Star Wars being the most successful movie franchise of all time. I commented about the contestants all being old enough to have watched the movie at least once in the past 30 years. I just rounded to the nearest 5, as I wasn't sure of the exact year they came out, because I remember I was very very young, yet DID go with my mom. Late 70's was all I remember. So it was me that you got the 30 year number from.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 11:07 am
Nope, wasn't your reference Eeyore. Trump did say something about how Star Wars had been successful for 30 years. I guess I could go back and watch the tape. But I'm sure it was Trump cause I actually sat there with the show on and calculated when it came out. I think I was 20, so it would've been 1977 or so.
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 11:16 am
Star Wars (A New Hope) - 1977 Empire Strikes Back - 1980 Return of the Jedi - 1983 Phantom Menace - 1999 Attack of the Clones - 2002 Revenge of the Sith - 2005 That's all from IMDB. I think I also remember Trump saying 30 years...when I heard that I was thinking "wow, that's a long time". I think they re-released Star Wars shortly before Empire came out. I remember seeing both with my dad, but I was only 4 in 77, so I know I didn't see it then. My brother is 9 years younger than I am, but he got into Star Wars years later when they were all rereleased prior to Phantom Menace.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 11:20 am
Really? I could have sworn it was my fault you thought he said it. I don't remember him saying it, and I remember me doing the math in my head. I was born in September 75, so I really WAS young when we went to the first one....
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 11:37 am
You know, with all the excitement of the double firing, I never even realized that Trump skipped over having the PM choose 2 people and having a final boardroom! Guess it didn't matter much. Randal was exempt, so Brian would certainly have brought Rebecca and Marshawn back (or just Marshawn if he chose to only take one).
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 12:09 pm
My guess for final 3 is also Alla, Randall and Rebecca. I want to slap the you-know-what out of Clay. WTH! I don't think he should have done the presentation without Alla's approval. It was her baby, she did all the work because Clay couldn't perform. He was still brooding for nothing.
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 12:59 pm
While I understand that this is a game, in the real world, the worker bees (Alla) are supposed to shut up and allow the boss (Clay) to take the credit. True, a good boss shares the credit but most bosses are not that good. If a worker bee was constantly interupting a boss' presentation in real life, the bee would be back at the hive. You do your best to prepare the boss, even if the boss is doing something you disagree with, and then shut up. I do not claim to be a Clay fan, but a lot of the Clay-griping and Alla-love is contrary to real world. But alas, the Apprentice is not the real world even if the contestants come into it with real world experiences and preconceptions. Sorry for the rant. Dalm.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 1:28 pm
Next week, Felicia, Alla and Adam are on one team and Randall, Rebecca and Clay on the other. Some sort of public forum votes on the best song. Finger pointing in the board room should be entertaining on this one. I am going to guess Felicia and Rebecca will be PM's because they are due. The promo shows Trump firing someone, on the spot, looking far to his left. That implies that both teams are still in the board room. The image is not reversed. If he is wearing a yellow tie next week we can expect that. The footage in the promo's has been very erratic though.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 2:13 pm
I have seen a about 10 min of the 77 one and about 10 of the Sith and even I know Darth is the main character.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 3:43 pm
Dalm, I didn't think that was a rant at all. I do have to comment. In my world, I would never work for a boss that claimed my work was theirs. Clay was missing some points and just plain not presenting well imo.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Friday, November 11, 2005 - 4:26 pm
In this situation this isn't just a boss/underling relationship. Clay and Alla are also two competitors interviewing for a job. While they need to show that they can do teamwork and take direction from someone in authority, they also need to stand out and make an impression. I think what got Alla going was a comment Clay made at the beginning of the presentation making it sound like it was his baby instead of the team's when he had little to do with how it turned out. The interesting thing about Marshawn's dismissal and the argument over who would present is that it actually was irrelevant in the end. Everyone said Rebecca did a great job with the presentation, so that wasn't the problem. They lost because of the display. I would've rather heard Brian point out that Marshawn had contributed nothing else to the task and that's why he asked her to present. Randall would've been a wiser choice since Marshawn clearly had no knowledge or passion for the whole Star Wars thing the way Randall did. Does anyone know when this show was taped? I had the impression it was before the movie even came out in the theaters. They didn't have much info to go on aside from the short trailer they saw. Yeah, they may have known it would show how Anakin became Vader, but could they have assumed that Darth Vader would be the main star of the movie (which he wasn't)? The only way for them to know what the execs wanted was to meet with them. Frankly, I think the use of Darth Vader and Chewbacca in the advertising has been a misleading attempt by the executives to rope in the fans of the original 3 movies who may have lost interest in the prequels. Both of those characters just have bit parts in this final film. Actually, I liked Excel's concept of the good vs. evil display since that's much closer to what the movie is really about. They just didn't give it the wow factor it needed.
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