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Meggieprice
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07-09-2001

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 4:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meggieprice a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne- well said. I never saw Randall as the best though I did like him. You have articulated my reasons perfectly!

Webchiq
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07-11-2005

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 6:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Webchiq a private message Print Post    
Since you quoted me, I'll respond. You're arguing lovable vs. qualified for business. Two different things in my book. I didn't think that Randal was the best choice for the final apprentice. I said that he was a lovable guy and he was, he was affable, friendly, a team player and brought cohesion. His final action didn't fall into any of those categories.

Having said all that, I didn't think he was very bright in the business sense. Even the management was "lucky" because they all liked him so they wanted to see him succeed and many of them carried him to the victories in his tasks.

I think Trump will get what he deserves because that likeability will not get Randal carried around in NY business, if he really truly is a likeable guy.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 2:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I am on medications and I use Cutnpaste so I remember what I am referring to. Occ'ly someone will not understand what my point is so I have used 'quotes' in my posts for years now.

This is for my benefit as i write...not as an argument with you or to 'challenge' someone's point of view.

Personally, I thought Randall played a similar game to Kwame. Both had a laidback style allowing others do to their work for them, in my opinion.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 4:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Buggles a private message Print Post    
I felt his easygoing nature made him a favourite with the other contestants but he won as PM because his teammates were 'taking over' decisions...

Not particularly creative or charismatic Randal often looked blank while people were trying to talk to him.


Yes... these are some of the traits that tipped me off that he had backstabber potential. Or should I say, the makings of a guy who would stymie others' advancement...

It is hard to articulate but Randall has a pitch perfect dichotomy of an apparently easygoing but in actuality VERY controlled nature. I know this type very well - this guy will be the last to stick his neck out and say anything controversial. His main goal is not doing what is good or right (like a truly nice guy would) but saying the right thing to preserve and further his own advancement. You could see it in his lack of facial expressions that there was a lack of sincere.. I dunno.. feeling or emotion.

Randall is also genius and I am not saying that this was the case, but I have NO doubt he could have crafted the autism speech like it was coming from the heart even if it wasn't. It is interesting to recall that beforehand, the woman representing the autism org didn't get any sense that Randall appreciated, let alone felt for, this cause. How odd that he wouldn't express any of that concern/caring when the autism rep was sitting there telling him about autism. To me, that was another subtle tip off.

Also, his education (5 advanced degrees from the most prestigious of institutions) is a good indication that this guy is a wee bit overly competitive / ego-driven.

I say this again because I have been very close to guys like this. I know how calculating, self-serving, and disingenuous they can be - the last one whom everyone suspects, as they do a great job in giving off the opposite persona. This show has exposed this personality type, and oddly for that I am glad.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 4:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Buggles a private message Print Post    
btw I do not hate randall - just would not want to work with him (unlike everyone on the apprentice apparently) :-)

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 8:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Buggles wrote:

quote:

It is hard to articulate but Randall has a pitch perfect dichotomy of an apparently easygoing but in actuality VERY controlled nature. I know this type very well - this guy will be the last to stick his neck out and say anything controversial. His main goal is not doing what is good or right (like a truly nice guy would) but saying the right thing to preserve and further his own advancement. You could see it in his lack of facial expressions that there was a lack of sincere.. I dunno.. feeling or emotion.


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I say this again because I have been very close to guys like this. I know how calculating, self-serving, and disingenuous they can be - the last one whom everyone suspects, as they do a great job in giving off the opposite persona. This show has exposed this personality type, and oddly for that I am glad.


Bingo!! There was something that I thought was a bit "off" about Randal, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. I wasn't totally enamoured of him from the beginning, as others were. Just something not quite right, and it bugged me a bit. But that was it, Buggles! I didn't truly believe he was sincere, and I thought he was too tightly wound but worked well at hiding that fact. The way he responded to his grandmother's death was when I got tipped off a bit.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
Thank goodness it's been said, and much better than I would... amen Buggles and Costa, I watched and waited but could never see the 'shining star' everyone else was talking about regarding Randall. He made me uncomfortable and I wasn't sure why.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 11:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
wow, amazing how all of this is coming out now ... more bandwagon jumping, I'm thinking. I like Randal and I understand why he did what he did.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Nah, Ladytex. I said a whle ago that something bothered me and I couldn't put my finger on it. But everyone else seemed to drown out my concerns (figuratively! <grin>). I sorta just figured I was wrong and ended up thinking Randal would win. I'm not taking away his win, just that I wasn't ever really sure about him...

Webchiq
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07-11-2005

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Webchiq a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, I only responded to your quote (totally understand why you do that) because I felt that we were in agreement and wanted to clarify.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Buggles a private message Print Post    
Costa - yay! I am not alone :-) It does feel nutty saying this about such a seemingly 'nice guy.' I had actually almost even called my mom before the show and said, "I am rooting for Rebecca cause I just get the feeling Randall is the type who would try to stymie my advancement, if I were to work with him." I got a certain vibe too with the way he handled his grandmother's death... very subtle and tough to articulate and I am sure most did not 'see it' but I do know what you mean.

Ladytex, I am not bandwagon jumping at all btw... just have an illness and wasn't up to posting :-) I actually feel I am going against the grain here in saying that I was leery of Randall before the finale. I don't mean to sound like I am persecuting him totally, really. It is just one very interesting and controversial decision. My dad and brother supported it. My husband, mom and I were very disappointed. Most people I think were.

So I guess everyone would feel the same then if the roles were reversed, and Rebecca had done that to Randall? I would (though I would have been way shocked).

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Buggles a private message Print Post    
BTW, fwiw, I do think that Randall most certainly performed better than Rebecca in the finale. He deserved his win.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
I liked Randy from the very beginning and think he was the right choice for Trump.

Randy only made one comment to Rebecca that made me hesitate. That was when the two of them were a team and Rebecca said that she needed to win and Randy said they would get her a win. At first blush, I thought that was a very nice thing for him to say but then I wondered if he spoke to her as a female not as a competitor.

I liked both Rebecca and Randy all thru the show and would have been happy with either one winning.

Wish Randy had told Trump to make his own hiring decisions.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Bet Randall would make a great Poker player!

I envy people like Randall and Rebecca who seem to be so neutral and have controlled expressions. My face always shows what I am thinking even if I say nothing LOL

Survivoraddict
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09-02-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Survivoraddict a private message Print Post    
I feel Randall is two faced. Agreeing to let Mr. Trump hire Rebecca wouldn't have taken anything from his win! In the show he acted like he was her friend, and then bam. He costs her a job with Trump, after he's already secured one. If Trump had picked Rebecca, I feel confident Rebecca would have taken Randall.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I read through a lot of this and didn't see that anyone posted about Randal's interview with Regis. (I sure could have missed posts though.)

Anyway, he told Regis he had heard rumblings before the finale that the job might be offered to both of them. So, he did have time to think about this. (Also, I see someone posted that he saw the show just as we did and could have surmised such a situation.) I was somewhat disenchanted with Randal after the finale. After I saw him on Regis, I really feel better about him. Regis sure did not give a hard core interview of course, but he did ask about the Rebecca question. Randal brought up the sports analogy again. But he also said something like he and Trump are talking about talking to Rebecca about a job in the Trump organization. If I was still ticked off at Randal, that statement would have probably annoyed me...just the way he talked about himself and Trump, but I'm not ticked at him now, and I felt it was a nice thing to say. I wish I could give exact quotes. I am going to go back through the thread and try to find Rebecca's thoughts from her Fishbowl interview.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 8:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
The whole fiasco was Trump's fault. He could have told Rebecca she wasn't fired, but Randal was the one and only Apprentice. Ta-da--happy ending.

Instead, he made himself look silly, put Randal on the spot, and soured the ending.


If Randal had said to hire Rebecca, she would always be seen as someone who was hired because Randal dragged her along, not because she earned it.

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Friday, December 23, 2005 - 1:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
I was impressed with rebeccas (fishbowl) interview, I thought she was a very smart and new what she was talking about. She dosent seem to be the type that sits about talking junk about people, and I
thought she handled her self in a very classy way..(shes 23)..(for fishbowl..) she will do real well in her life im sure...I allmost think Trump, could hold her back...maybe im wrong....time will tell.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, December 23, 2005 - 10:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Just some thoughts after reading the last few pages of this thread...

MB may have had nothing to do with Trump offering the job to both candidates.

This show is edited up until the finale. From the first moment we watched, Rebecca and Randal were edited to be the final two, they had already been chosen. The season is put together to tell us a story. With so many candidates, there is much we don't see about them. It is hard to tell what either of them are really like personally based on the few edited mins. we saw of them during the season.