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Watching2
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07-07-2001
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 5:14 pm
Wow, I'm really surprised at the reactions here! I didn't care who won. I liked both John and Kelly although I thought Kelly worked her butt off from the beginning. The judging always seemed off to me. They would rave about performances that were just "eh" to me and give them high scores. I think John was great, but a lot of his "dance" was his expessions on his face and I was kind of getting tired of the dramatics. I watch GH occasionally and I have to tell you if anything, I did NOT LIKE Kelly because of the show! LOL I learned to like her on this show. I haven't voted the last few weeks, but when I did, I voted for her, first because I thought the judges were far too hard on her and then, because she was improving so much. I think they both did a great job and like I said, would have been happy had John won just as well. There were times I didn't think he and his partner deserved their high scores and I admit the 10s surprised me, but then again, I disagreed when they scored some of the other couples high during the competition. I agree they probably just had to show they thought her dance was better or thought she tried more difficult things, even with its flaws. Anyway.. I still enjoyed it. Sorry everyone else didn't!
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 5:26 pm
ITA Costa and Watching! I didn't watch the first few episodes, but I was pleased as punch at what I saw the last several weeks! And Kelly certainly did have a nice body. Wowee.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 5:58 pm
For me, I don't think its so much outrage that my favorite couple didn't win, but rather the suspicious nature of the outcome. I don't like being strung along. And worse, I don't like when producers seem to think I'm stupid enough to be strung along. OK, so I'm stupid enough to delete a recording instead of playing it. But, that's another story!
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Curlyq
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07-10-2002
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 7:10 pm
Exactly, Whoami. It's not about hating on Kelly, as some of her fans at other sites want to see it. Heck, I voted for her after week 1. It's about the outrageous scoring. I have no reason to believe she was in on it, but I don't have any doubt that those 3 10's were planned beforehand. Maybe Roxip was right and it was all to keep from having the show end in a tie, but that wouldn't explain their crooked scoring last week. Gina, you read misinformation at those other sites. In the event of a tie, Len was supposed to make the final decision. They probably didn't want it to end with one man choosing the winner, so they rigged it this way. Again, it's not about begrudging Kelly a happy moment. It's about treating the viewers like idiots. That's where the "negativity" is coming from. It's outrage at having our intelligence insulted in such an in-your-face way. You can't tell people they just saw perfection when they saw several mistakes with their own eyes. I've been crying foul since last week, when Kelly and Alec chose to pass off a samba/cha-cha/hula as a paso doble and didn't get penalized for it. It's been way too hard to ignore the crooked judging. If they do another season of this they need to skip the competitive aspect and just keep all 6 teams all 6 weeks to show off how much their dancing improves. If it's just supposed to be entertainment, then they shouldn't dress it up as a contest and ask us to pick favorites.
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Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 7:15 pm
I hope this is true - because I will definitely try to see this: John O'Hurley Credits Dancing With the Stars for Boosting His Career 7/7/05 Seinfeld star John O'Hurley's dancing skills have helped him stage an acting comeback - and lose a little weight. The grey-haired actor, who played Peterman in the hit 1990s sitcom, has become the star of US TV ballroom dancing show Dancing With the Stars and the reality series has helped boost his flagging career. O'Hurley, who made the finals last night (06JUL05), admits he's lost nine kilograms (20 pounds) competing in the dancing talent contest and now his career has been given a boost. He and partner Charlotte Jorgensen, a professional dancer, have been invited to strut their stuff in New York City's famous Broadway theatre district. He says, "There is some talk about us going to Broadway together - it's already in the works." http://www.celebrityspider.com/news/july05/article070705-10.html ----------------------- and here is a cute article (NOT news) that I think sums up pretty well the way I felt about the final competition: http://www.foxesonidol.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article0064.art&page=1 The one thing this article states that I didn't even think of and is so true: "Thankfully this evening’s finale was a lot more tolerable and with more substance rather than the filler that we have come to expect."
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Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 7:20 pm
Curly - actually she was correct about the scoring: http://abc.go.com/primetime/dancing/scoring.html Len only decides in the unlikely event that there is also a tie in the public voting. "When the final judges' scores are in, and each couple has been assigned their ranking points, we then add on the ranking points each couple received from the previous week's public vote. Each couple then has a total number of ranking points. The couple that has the lowest total of ranking points from judges' scores and the public vote is eliminated from the competition. If one or more couples are tied on lowest ranking points, then the couple that has the lowest overall public vote between the tied couples is eliminated from the competition. In the very unlikely event that the one or more couples tied on the lowest ranking points are also tied on the number of public votes they have received, then our head judge, Len Goodman, will decide which of the couples he feels has been the weakest dancers in the competition so far, and they will be eliminated."
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Vee
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02-23-2004
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 7:23 pm
Thank you, Whoami, that perfectly states my position as well. I don't like the word "negative" even if I am feeling pretty prickly about the whole thing. Edited to add: Thanks for those links, LuvK. Interesting! Thank goodness it didn't all come down to Len, not that the results would've been any different.
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Starshine40
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07-30-2002
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 7:44 pm
I don't care who won or whether or not it was rigged. I just enjoyed watching the improvements over time and the performances for what they were: entertainment. They made me wish I could dance like them!
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Buggles
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09-07-2002
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 8:45 pm
Who is really to say how dances should be scored on this show? Is it really unreasonable to give a '10' to the most impressive dance of the series???? I agree it was the best dance overall. This isnt a professional competition. How else can the judges put it above all of the 9's??? If the scores were more flaw-based, imagine the kinds of routines we would be treated to
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 9:33 pm
That's the problem, Buggles. A whole lot of people disagree that Kelly's final dance was the best dance overall. It wasn't even her best dance. She danced much better a couple of weeks ago with a broken strap. If that performance didn't get 10's then why did this one? A lot of crowd-pleasing tricks mean nothing if the actual dancing part is interrupted by checks and pauses. The judges had previously made clear what they were supposed to be basing their scores on: the lines, the posture, the interaction, the footwork, and I thought remembering the routine should be a given. It wasn't stated that they'd be based on who attempted the most tricks or improved the most. I thought it was going to be about the dancing. One of those online editorialists said about the outcome "Frankly, I'm amazed at how mad I am about this." It wasn't for money or anything important, yet I feel just as outraged as I did when those Russian figure skaters got those bogus scores at the last Olympics and got away with an extra gold medal. Luvmykitties, thanks for setting me straight about the voting process.
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Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000
| Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 10:35 pm
Oh! That would be cool if John O'Hurley and Charlotte got parts in a Broadway musical.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Friday, July 08, 2005 - 4:28 am
Well, I didn't want to say anything, but I thought it looked like John almost dropped her, so I was happy with the finals. Kelly did a really good job of dancing and when he put her down at the end it was a finale, not a drop.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, July 08, 2005 - 6:07 am
John did drop her. No need to hold back in your observations Dipo.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, July 08, 2005 - 9:32 am
I finally sat and watched (and re-watched) the finale. A couple of miscellaneous comments: 1. John's lifts were awful. He didn't have control of her, and it did look like he was about to drop Charlotte at one point. 2. The *difficulty* of the dances was probably the deciding factor. Yes, it's harder to judge a man's dancing than a woman's. But I thought Kelly had more complex and difficult steps in hers. Yes, it looked like Kelly missed a couple of steps. 3. I truly think the judges HAD to give Kelly 10's. After watching her last dance, I think they really thought she deserved to be in first place with their votes. And the only way to go after giving John all 9's was to give her 10's. 4. The free dance was to be a "no holds barred" thing. From what I could see, John only attempted two new lifts; no new dance steps. Kelly had new dance steps, as well as the lifts, and the handwalking. It is very difficult to judge a man vs a woman. The man is the "frame" while the woman is the "picture." Meaning... he is there to make HER look good. John's dance steps were pretty basic, his lifts were horrible; Kelly's steps were a bit more advanced (even if she did have to catch up to Alec), Alec's lifts were spot-on. Alec *made* Kelly look good, although she did do well on her own to keep up with him. I was glad of the outcome. I don't think I was tricked at all, thinking John would win. I do think John peaked a few weeks ago, and Kelly continued to push the limit.
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Friday, July 08, 2005 - 11:46 am
Has anyone seen or know anything about the British version of this show? I'm wondering if it was strictly ballroom - or more entertainment/performance dancing? I think the biggest issue here is that the show seemed to be about "Ballroom dancing" (which is why I started watching), but it was the flashy entertainment routine that won. Sort of mixing apples and oranges IMO. I didn't notice any new steps from Kelly. (except maybe a few more hip wiggles) Seemed to be all the Latin steps she's used previously - and she still managed to lose her place a few times. I didn't think she did well at all keeping up with Alec. And of course it was a lot easier for K&A to do lifts - because Alec was doing all the lifting and he is experienced - and he still managed to drop her at the end (although that was probably her fault for not coming out of it properly). John - an older man and I'm sure not in peak shape - had to lift a woman larger than Kelly. Even if K&A's routine was considered less boring and more complex - I don't believe it was the "BEST DANCE OF THE WHOLE SERIES".(as the judges claimed). That seems to me to be the reason the judges gave 10s - not just because it beat J&Cs freestyle routine - but because they claimed it was the best of the series. If that is the case, then the fact that the dance was a freestyle and not a ballroom routine, perhaps ABC should consider changing the format to not be "ballroom" and just be fun, acrobatic, freestyle, go-crazy, dancing - and it doesn't matter if you miss steps, as long as you do a lot of flashy stuff. Don't get me wrong - I think Kelly did a phenominal job of learning all these dances - and in a week. And she did improve a lot throughout the series. But I don't believe that these things earn three 10s for a flawed performance.
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Potted_plant
Member
08-29-2001
| Friday, July 08, 2005 - 12:43 pm
But I don't believe that these things earn three 10s for a flawed performance. Exactly........that she won, I can live with, but not the perfect score from all 3 judges.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Friday, July 08, 2005 - 12:53 pm
When did John drop Charlotte? If you're referring to that shoulder rolling move, it was supposed to be performed that way. Watch the practice session with Patrick Swayze as John does it the same way he did it in the competition. Swayze cheered, meaning that's the way it was meant to be. The only other moves that came close to a lift is the one where he swung her around him toward the beginning and the one where she jumped up and wrapped her legs around his waist, but he didn't drop her then, either. I don't think they were intending any lengthy over the head lifts, given his age and condition and Charlotte's size relative to Kelly's.
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Kritofer
Member
10-26-2004
| Friday, July 08, 2005 - 4:16 pm
I think that the perfect score came because (as mentioned earlier) that was the only option since they gave John and Charlotte 9's. It reminded me of ice skating - you rank who you think was first as Number 1, second best as Number 2, and so on. It certainly wasn't a "ten" performance with the mistake factor, but I would have rated it better (more exciting and technically difficult) than John and Charlotte's routine. They really should have given J & C some 8's instead of 9's.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 1:17 am
I agree Kritofer. This reminds me of when I watch figure skating and I see someone do what I believe is a fabulous performance, but they're not one of the higher ranked competitors and they'll get only medium scores. Then a "favorite" will come out and skate about the same (or even a bit worse IMO) and they get really high scores. That's always bugged me. It should be rated on exactly what they did or didn't do based on the specifics of judging, not on popularity or likability.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 5:19 am
Curly, I did not mean John. I meant Kelly's partner dropped her to the floor at the end.
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Clutterfree
Member
10-24-2003
| Monday, July 11, 2005 - 8:36 pm
Thank you for the info re John and Charlotte...I hope it's true! Has anyone heard anything about any of these dancing partners appearing elsewhere? I finally had a chance to watch the last two shows today...all I know is I didn't want this to be over; once it got down to Joey, Rachel, John, and Kelly, I actually didn't want to lose anyone...would have liked the competition to extend for a month. Let me know if any of the couples resurface dancing elsewhere..thanks~beth
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Monday, July 11, 2005 - 9:13 pm
John and Charlotte were on The View today. I'd totally forgotten until I saw this thread. Nothing memorable...but "the ladies" from The View handed him a read speedo. He put it on his head.
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Roteach
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06-01-2003
| Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 6:08 pm
Regis mentioned today that there was going to be another cycle of the show this summer. I assume that there are going to be new dancers and not just a rerun of the series that was just on.
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Curlyq
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07-10-2002
| Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 11:06 pm
I think Regis got this a little bit mixed up. The news story was that the show is being brought back, but as a mid-season replacement (I guess that's in January?). They haven't picked the celebrities yet.
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Kc103
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07-13-2004
| Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 11:48 pm
Someone told me that John O'Hurley is going to have his own reality show. Don't know any details about it though. Curlyq, I also heard they plan to do another installment of Dancing in early 2006. I thought I also heard that there's supposed to be a show about ice-skating with the stars. Has anyone else heard about this...or did I just imagine it? LOL
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