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Julieboo
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02-05-2002
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:57 am
I also wonder if they would have let her stay, if after being called out by Charles about her statement, Shawn had said something like "I was overly enthusiastic and confident and I should have never said that. I will surely never get that cocky again and I hope you will let me stay as I certainly have learned form that huge mistake." She got almost defensive about it when she was telling Martha that all TV people say that...
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 9:07 am
I know Jim's wife was behind him, but I really can't believe he wouldn't have at least been on the phone (at least with a nurse or whatever birthing coach/partner the wife had during the actual birth.) A phone call after the fact seems so cold. Just seems really weird. Also kinda sad too, cuz no way (go ahead firer me if I'm wrong!) will Jim win this apprenticeship.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 9:22 am
I must say that as soon as Shawn uttered her disastrous, "If we lose, you can fire me" comment to Charles, DH and I looked at each other and said, "Uh oh. She's done." Mark Burnett does love that foreshadowing stuff. It was an incredibly stupid and arrogant thing to say, and she just increased her mistake in the boardroom when she made that "make it till you fake it" statement. Some people are their own worst enemies. Yes, Charles's cigar bugs me. It's really juvenile. Why don't they just get him a pacifier? And how sad is it that Alexis's only contribution to last night's show was to tell her sad story about getting in trouble when she was a little girl for getting her mom's kitchen all sticky? DH and I were laughing when they kept showing her nodding her head in the boardroom. Does she ever have anything intelligent to say? I feel for the poor girl. Aside from the money, it must be terrible to have Martha as your mother. And David should have been fired just for his hair. He looks like he belongs in the 10th grade, not a boardroom! Somebody get that guy to a barber for a more professional haircut!
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 9:33 am
On the subject of Jim and missing the birth of his child. This was their first child, right? He’ll never get that back. Parents recount the story of the birth to the kids, often especially when they are young. His wife must be a saint…I guess. I can't imagine being a contestant on a game show (that really is what this show is with the prize being employment for a year) would override the birth of your child. It's shocking to me. That fact alone should raise some red flags.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 9:58 am
Alisons, that kind of frosting is called "fondant" and it's been really popular on wedding cakes for as long as I can remember! It gives the cake a lovely, tailored appearance. Most of you have hit the nail on the head with this show, but I'll just add a couple things... 1. Jim can reproduce! Yikes! That's enough reason to worry about our future. 2. I loved when Dawn came walking back in with Jim at the beginning of the episode and one of the women, her mouth full of food, said nonchalantly, "I could just throw up!" Comedy gold. 3. Ms. Stewart's necklace at the end was to die for. 4. I loved Alexis' Cinderella story. I hope she shares with us stories about removing mold, jumping in the compost, and playing with mommy's stud-finder. 5. Shawn confirms everything I have ever thought about TV newspeople.
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Callasin
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06-21-2005
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 10:29 am
When I saw the bright pink bows on the cake my first thought was how it matched all of Shawn's bright pink and green outfits! The ovals would have been fine if they were stacked normally and they had not used the big bows. I'm glad Martha called the others back in the conference room instead of firing David.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 11:18 am
I believe that Jim had and continues to have more intimate conversations with his wife without the camera. Probably some emailed pictures as well. He was being humorous with the task comment, knowing the camera was on him. I thought it was cute. He and his wife obviously thought that what he would gain from this show was important to their future. That is the second time Martha has worn that blue necklace. That surprises me. I love it. Selling that cake was an impossible task. It was NOT the fault of poor selling. It was an Edsel.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 11:23 am
Well I wouldn't put that cake on par with an Edsel...They actually sold a few Edsels....
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:16 pm
Good point Kep.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:29 pm
ROFL--Kep. Matchstick's cake was so ghastly that I wouldn't want it in any colour. Loved the comment of one person who said it looked like a cruise ship. I thought it looked like a stack of hat boxes. Maybe if the pink had been a lighter colour, it wouldn't have looked quite so awful. Primarius' cake wasn't fantastic, but at least it was in good taste and not a horror. Loved Martha bringing them all back and not falling for David's nonsensical choice of evictees.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:30 pm
I still think Martha should have fired David if only because he made such a poor choice of people to bring back to the conference room. I couldn't believe that he didn't pick Shaun, when it was so obvious that Martha was targeting her. She practically hit him over the head and he ignored her. He is totally out of touch with her thoughts on how to manage people and what to look for.
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Realbiz
Member
10-24-2002
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:00 pm
So the rules are different, Martha can override project mgr's decision of whom to bring into the conference room, but Donald can't/wouldn't? If he did Donald would have fired the Mark guy last week but not Chris who brought on his own demise. Hmmmmm.
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Ocean_islands
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:04 pm
I think she brought them all back expressly for taking down the 'fake it till you make' it person. And she could have said, 'You know, if you fake it until you 'make it' -- you're still a fake'! By the way you can see people faking it until they are making it every night on CNN and FOX.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 4:00 pm
Realbiz, I think Donald could do the same thing that Martha did if he wanted.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 4:40 pm
I think Donald is all about teaching someone a lesson about the competition. Someone is HANDING you the answer on who to bring with you on a platter, and you don't TAKE IT, you deserve to be fired. That's why Chris was fired. I agree whole-heartedly with Jimmer. David should have been fired for such BONEHEAD choices of who to bring to the boardroom with him. I think if these people are continually be judged on profit and money type criteria, the business people will win every time.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 5:51 pm
Boy Ms. Stewart all but called Shawn bad names on her show today. Poor Shawn just can't keep her generously sized mouth closed. Yammer yammer yammer, blah blah blah. She said she didn't really need to go on The Apprentice: Martha Stewart because she had a great career and she'd fought really hard for it, etc. Ms. Stewart said, in that inimitable way, "so why did you apply, then?" Such foolish behavior. I also think Ms. Stewart hates NBC at this point. SHe doesn't try to promote the show since the move and, if Shawn is any indication, the applicants would be wise to stay away from her future post-mortems.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 6:22 pm
I just finished a survey from NBC asking specifically about Wednesday night programming. When I checked that I watched this show there were a bunch of questions afterward asking what I liked, what I disliked, etc. I told them I disliked the move to 9 p.m. and that it seemed like their network was trying to kill the show off. Tishala, your above comments are hilarious! I was surprised to read that Shawn had been working in Central Florida news, because I thought she looked vaguely familiar but I can't remember which channel she was on. She must've been on the Fox affiliate. I think Trump can and has taken away the PM's power to nominate in the past. I seem to remember at least one episode when he fired someone without narrowing it down to three first, but I can't remember who it was. I think the bosses retain the right to fire whomever they want to fire, but they probably try not to stray from the procedure too often.
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Rockmin
Member
07-10-2003
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 6:28 pm
My opinion of Jim continues to drop.... How many divorces have been built on the philosophy of "doing it for the family" while spending huge blocks of time "away from the family". Choosing to not be there for his child's birth just astounds me. Being with my wife during labor, helping her during deilvery, cutting the cord and holding my minutes old baby in my arms.... just priceless; literally. These are some of the most precious memories I own. I would not trade them for a million dollars.
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:41 pm
In season 2, Trump fired Elizabeth without going to the final boardroom. I believe she was the PM that week, so he saw no point in having her choose 2 people, since he knew he would be firing her.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 9:24 pm
I still think people are being too harsh about the “fake it till you make it” comment. Haven’t any of you taken on a job that was a bit of a stretch for you initially? You may not have had all the knowledge needed to do it at the point that you accepted the challenge but you acted confident and then worked like crazy to learn what you had to do to make it a success. It sort of runs along the same lines of “never let them see you sweat” (bringing out hackneyed cliches here). I do agree, however, that it was a dumb way to express it if you consider this process a "job interview". I also find that this week’s shows presented an interesting comparison between Trump and Stewart’s management styles (or at least the way they run this game). Trump doesn’t seem to be inclined to over-ride the Project Manager’s decision on who to bring in, even if he thinks that it is the wrong decision. In a few shows, bringing back the wrong people (in Trump’s view) has directly led to the PM’s firing.
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Pirate
Member
06-20-2002
| Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 11:38 pm
Martha did mention the move to 9:00 PM on either her Tue. or Wed. daytime show. I think she said something like it was a better time slot because the viewers would be able to have dinner with their families and relax before it aired. I liked this week's show. I think it was insane for David to bring in Dawn and the other lady (can't remember her name) this week. Hugh mistake! He won't make it and neither will Jim. Jim is just plain annoying and I hope he goes away soon.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 8:48 am
Jim will make it fairly far I think, purely for the drama. He has worked pretty hard on the first two tasks. If there was an opportunity to get rid of him, it would have been this week, as he admitted that he didn't try very hard to pitch people on the cake, and Martha scolded him. I think Jim knows how to toe the line, but never really step over it. He can be obvious about gunning for a person, but then he knew Martha was on to him, and this week we saw a less intra-competitive Jim. As well, when it became obvious that Martha felt that although the cake was bad in itself, the task was lost on marketing and sales, Jim knew to stay quiet and polite. We did not see the bravado of past weeks. He knows when not to piss people off, and works that to his advantage. I think he'll be around for a while, but won't win.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 8:49 am
I like Martha Stewart. I love this show and am exceedingly pleased that they moved it up a slot.
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Hummingbird
Member
08-21-2002
| Friday, October 07, 2005 - 10:32 pm
I am liking Martha's show more and more every week. The letter of advice to the loser at the end of the show is a brilliant addition to the Trump formula. And Martha is sharp and on the point each week with her assessments. Charles and Alexis, though, somehow seem unnecessary, unlike George and Carolyn who are major players on Trump's Apprentice.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 12:18 am
I like Charles, and his need to always be playing with his cigar.
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