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Marysafan
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 7:21 am
I agree with Roxip that much of Jada's problem is with her mother. Does it appear that perhaps her parents are divorced? I felt bad for Derek, until my daughter pointed out to me that he is very immature for a 14 year old. I was pleased to hear him say something about his "childish ways". So perhaps Derek will grow up a great deal through this experience. Lexie was so fortunate to find this counselor. He really seemed to know how to reach her and to help her. Both daughter had tears when he gave her his very own deal (whatever that was called). Lexie is taking giant steps. I'm not fond of Isiah, but even he made progress by finding forgiveness for his mother. Overall, good episode.
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 7:33 am
btw - although they didn't mention it on the show, Jada's letter also freaked out about being sent to Boarding School (I always freeze the screen on the letters to try and read as much as I can ) beginning of Jada's letter: "I just woke up and I'm still on solo. I woke up crying last night because of a dream I had. I had a dream that you and (?) were putting me up for adoption, and you both told me you'd had me long enough, and you don't want me anymore. Oh my god! since boarding school has come up I'm so...depressed. and I feel so unloved. So unloved and unwanted. I just don't understand how you think after this tramatizing, hard, stressful experience(?) I need boarding school. I just...DON'T UNDERSTAND." that's all I could read. All underlining is from Jada. So I wonder if SageWalk also recommends boarding school to everyone. (They only brought it up on the show for one person) I wonder how Jada's parents will feel when they see her confessional calling them "It's easy to manipulate my parents. It's so fun. They're such SUCKERS". I'm glad to see the progress Lexie is making. She'll probably be home for Christmas. They haven't shown any drama from Frank lately, so I'm guessing he's been pretty calm. Hopefully he's growing and not just shutting down to get through the program.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 7:36 am
Looks like Jada is the only one who will "fail" this SageWalk course...
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 8:15 am
Afraid that I have to agree about Jada.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 8:23 am
I really liked how they kept an eye on each kid, and of course they had a cameraperson there at least part of the time, so it wasn't a dangerous "solo" but still made them take that time alone. And when Lexie blew the whistle they were right there and so positive. Jada's mom needs to wake up and smell the BS and maybe not be so invested in trying to be the savior for her daughter.. clearly she needs more skills and also has to let go..
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 8:50 am
I thorougly enjoyed the naming ceremony last night, especially the kid's reactions to their names. I know had the Sagewalk counselors told the kids they would be having a naming ceremony on the first day they arrived, they would have scoffed and thought the idea beneath them and corny... but the kid's actual delight (except for Jada) at their new names and their awe at how much the counselor's knew about them was very touching to watch. EXCELLENT SHOW....
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 8:59 am
Kep, excellent observation.. at the beginning they would have thought how LAME, but last night it really meant something to them.. so nice to see how proud they are when they accomplish and get over fears.. they'll have stories to tell, for sure.
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Not1worry
Member
07-30-2002
| Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 10:39 am
I too, thought the kids would be rolling their eyes at the naming ceremony. How great that they accepted it and believed in it. 30 days is a long time to live like that! I am truly impressed with the kids and the program. Except of course for... Jada. I would have loved it if after her parents were caving about the program if they'd showed them that lovely little clip with Jada talking about what suckers they were. Bet that would have quashed that idea. If they take her out of the program, they get exactly the child they deserve. I am still mixing up Isaiah and Shawn. I think Lauren is my favorite and the one I hope succeeds the most. The other blond girl, who doesn't want to go to boarding school? She claims her friends are like air to her. In that case, she needs to stay in Sagewalk longer and learn that she must rely on herself. I am surprised that she still hasn't absorbed that. Most likely her friends are half the reason she's in trouble.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:15 am
I don't know about Jada's parents...it didn't say so about them (and I would have thought that would have been mentioned)...when they were originally shown it seemed they were in the same place. Last night the head guy (Eagle) said that they recommended boarding school for their graduates, since that doesn't sent the kids back to the "friends" with whom they get in trouble. Heather is the other blonde girl and I agree - she needs to get over it - she is trying still to take the easiest path. Okay, going down the bad path here - is anybody else as I am as infatuated with the dark-haired counselor who worked with Lexie (I can't remember their names, sorry)? Is he the sweetest guy or what?
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 4:06 pm
Roxip - the counsler who was also molested? I'm with you on that! I think he's totally a hottie - and his personality is part of it. I'm really glad Lexie connected with him. That was so sweet when he gave her that thing (can't remember what it's called) during the naming ceremony. Very touching. Regarding Heather, I'm glad her parents also saw the red flag when she talked about missing and wanting to get back to her friends. Hopefully they will follow through with the boarding school.
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Not1worry
Member
07-30-2002
| Friday, August 05, 2005 - 9:32 am
Jada has definitely not learned much and it looks like her parents haven't either. Honestly, a little prison time would do her some good. I hope that a bunch of swift lawyers don't get her off with community service. This girl makes me so mad. http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=96709
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:19 am
wow! I wonder if her parents ended up pulling her out of SageWalk before she was ready to graduate. At this point no one knows if all the kids graduate - correct? If she graduated, she obviously manipulated the staff. Being that she's only 15 and didn't kill anyone, I'm guessing she probably won't serve time. Probably just put on probation. I bet her parents hire a really great lawyer for her. 
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Friday, August 05, 2005 - 1:43 pm
Unfortunately, Isaiah hasn't done well, either. http://www.modbee.com/local/story/11029267p-11790364c.html
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 4:00 am
The above article has spoiler information so beware!!! I didn't mind finding out....but others might.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 4:04 am
I think there isn't much hope for Jada because there isn't much hope for her parents, especially her mom. I think Jada didn't learn anything because her mom didn't learn anything.
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Realitytv4me
Member
08-06-2005
| Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 8:02 am
So I have a question for all of the board members — how would YOU handle a child like Jada or Isaiah? Or more importantly the case, how should society handle a child like Jada or Isaiah? Are they the victims of their parents' lack of parenting and worthy of our sympathy -- or are they just another heartless perpetrator and should be subject to the full consequences of their actions? Should we hold Jada's and Isaiah's parents responsible for their crimes — or should parents of poorly behaved children just toss their misfits into society's lap without repercussion? It might be a TV show — but it's still OUR REALITY. That's my .
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Realitytv4me
Member
08-06-2005
| Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 8:16 am
Here's an update on Jada: http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=96856&format= Just what she needs -- MORE adults making excuses for her and her behavior. As to the comments about the BratCamp producers editing and displaying what happened with Jada at SageWalk, they should be reminded that Jada's parents freely chose to involve their daughter and knew that national focus on <her> was part of the deal. I particularly like this comment: ``So much of this girl's life is being put out in the public for the world to see,'' said Andrea Watson of the Federation for Children with Special Needs. ``She has to live with this for the rest of her life.'' ' NO — WE have to live with the Jada's of the world for the rest of OUR lives. It might be a TV show — but it's still OUR REALITY. That's my . <QT>
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 8:43 am
While there may be some truth in saying that the show has depicted her as more incorrigible than she really is (the labeling is a bit much on these kids, IMHO), it's not them who sat in front of the camera and bragged about how much fun it is to manipulate her parents or who pulled the drama queen tactics or who pretended to participate and then looked in the camera and said how ridiculous things were and that she was faking it. Jada did those things herself and she needs to start taking responsibility and accountability for her actions. Places like SageWalk really can help some kids turn their lives around. Unfortunately, just like any rehab program, it doesn't work for everyone. In Jada's case, I don't think anything will work unless they also get her parents re-trained in how to deal with her. I know SageWalk has part of the program where the family is involved and learns new ways of working with their teen. I'm hoping we see that portion because right now all we are seeing is the kids doing the work and the reality is that the parents need to do some work, too. Realtytv4me asked how we or society should handle such kids. I don't know that I have the answer. Yes, in some ways I think they are products of their upbringing (I don't know that I would categorize them as victims). However, I know that there are sometimes bad kids that come out of really good families where other kids are perfectly fine, so I can't blame the parents entirely in every case. Should we feel sorry for them? Not much. They have choices just like everyone else. If their behavior was learned, it can be unlearned. That's what SageWalk is about, but to truly be effective, the kid AND the parents need to choose to start making different choices in their lives. No one can force them to do that. If they continue to make bad choices, then we all will end up dealing with them the way we deal with anyone who chooses to harm property, people, and/or themselves. And it will cost all of us in multiple ways. You cannot change someone who does not want to be changed. It would appear that Isaiah and Jada -- and perhaps their parents -- chose not to change. ALthough in Jada's case, it could be that she was having a total teenage moment of carelessness that would be chalked up to a terrible accident if she had not been on this show. We really don't know what the rest of her life has looked like since the SageWalk experience. (Okay, that may be a long shot, but still. . .) Isaiah's case is much a more clear-cut indication of the continuation of a pattern he established before SageWalk.
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 12:37 pm
oh gee - another "reality TV portrayed me poorly and that's not how I really am". And as has been said thousands of times in reply - although a show can be edited to only show a person negatively, the person actually did say and do the things shown. As Max already pointed out, Jada said those things in confessional. Also, Jada denied ever using cocaine, but her drug test came back with a positive on cocaine and she still denies it. Regarding the boating accident - it didn't say whether she had permission to take the boat out in the first place. I'm sure her parents would say she did to help their daughter - but can a 15 or 16 year old (first article says she's 15, second article says she's 16) legally run a boat with no adults? Maybe that's one of the charges? I don't know the laws on that. And reading the second article from Jada's point of view - I still don't feel the true remorse of what she did. her quote: ``I could have killed seven people. I feel so embarassed just walking around town.'' ``I'm upset at the way they portray me as a brat and that I don't care about anyone but myself.'' Um, yes! She calls the incident a "freak accident". To me, a freak accident would be if the boat had a malfunction and she couldn't control it. Her not paying attention is not a "freak" accident - IMO. I still don't see her accepting responsibility. Not sure how I feel about all the kids, but I definitely feel Jada is a product of her parents' parenting, and I can see someday her parents ending up in court having to pay the consequences for their minor childs actions - rightfully so because in my opinion they have been negligent. I'm not sure what could help Jada at this point.
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Gardener
Member
06-02-2005
| Monday, August 08, 2005 - 6:57 am
I think for me in the long run it would be most difficult to deal with a chronic liar & never ever being able to believe anything that they said. I don't know how you ever build up any kind of trust.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, August 08, 2005 - 8:19 am
IMO, Jada was handed a golden opportunity to look at herself (through SageWalk) and has thrown it away. She is old enough to know the consequences of her actions and it looks to me like she has chosen her own path - that of denial of responsibility and refusal to face what she has done. I understand that her parent's actions in the past might have shaped who she is today but she is now old enough to make her own decisions -- I feel sure that the counselors at SageWalk really tried to make her grow up but she is refusing to do so. If she has to face harsher penalties (jail?) then so be it. The sad truth is that she is very likely to end up a statistic on a slab in a morgue if she continues her current lifestyle. And I don't think there are laws against operating a boat at a young age. However, it is inadvisable to only have two people in a boat and one of them being pulled behind - you should have a driver and a spotter.
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Realitytv4me
Member
08-06-2005
| Monday, August 08, 2005 - 8:43 pm
More on Jada's expertise at the helm — mostly a rehash of the article from the Boston Herald referenced earlier, but a couple of new and interesting tidbits: http://www.accesshollywood.com/entertainment/4815310/detail.html Also, here's a link to a ballot on "BestandWorst.com" featuring Jada (it's amazing how old I feel knowing that I have personally seen ALL of the kids mentioned!): http://www.bestandworst.com/vote/processrate/ratetheballot.php?77862&PHPSESSID=d7ec4d5b89d029d5474e88f6ae547ae2 Jada is moving up in the ranks, but she needs our help to take the #1 position! Be forwarned that "BestandWorst.com" permits far naughtier language than TVCH, just in case that offends your sensibilities — oh ... never mind ... we're all listening to the BLEEPS on Brat Camp, so how offended could we possibly be?? (And while we're on THAT subject, how many rocks should each of us be carrying today?) It might be a TV show — but it's OUR REALITY! That's my !
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Realitytv4me
Member
08-06-2005
| Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 7:49 am
And here is today's BFO* Brace yourselves — here's what Jada's mom had to say the day following the incident: http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2005/08/06/reality_check/ So NOW she's thinks Jada needed to deal with her issues in PRIVATE! I guess we know who Jada learned her decision making skills from. It might be a TV show — but it's still OUR REALITY. That's my . * Blinding Flash of the Obvious
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Not1worry
Member
07-30-2002
| Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 7:57 am
I'm sorry, but I had to vote for Raven on that poll. She has infiltrated the Disney channel and gives my family no peace. At least Jada isn't in every stupid commercial between Kim Possible episodes.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 7:58 am
quote "*blinding flash of the Obvious" but oh how sad - we have this one nailed, that the parents also need training, education!! I cant tell you how sad it is, I'm still suffering for following thru on consequences of sending 2 scouts home from camp two YEARS ago - they broke the rules at 11yrs old, they accepted it, when they realized they couldnt manipulate me, they really turned a corner.... then their parents interfered "Johnny wouldnt do that, Johnny wouldnt lie - therefore you HATE my Johnny and YOU sent him home, YOU lied" ummm "huh"?? FF two years, Johnny has police at his house at least 3-4 times a month, last week it was reported he tried to burn part of the playground down... lots of fights and vandalizm,,,, I often wonder how Johnny would be if only... I know I cant save them all, but I still try!!
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