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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 8:29 am
True Tishala. But the negative associations could be preceived by the listener and not necessarily meant by the speaker is all I'm saying. People who have felt anti semitism in the past would take offense to her statement, but that doesn't mean that Jen meant it the way they are hearing it. Sometimes, prejudice can be heard... even when it wasn't spoken.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 8:29 am
In total agreement Kep! Excellent post. I think she was stupid in general. When she got fired from Donald it was not about the Jewish comment at all. They didn't even bring the word Jewish up at all in the boardroom. (right?) I do not believe she is a racist one bit (at least from what we have seen.) I don't understand why people are so ready to label her as a racist. There was more she did/said that she could be condemned for, but not for being a racist.
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Potted_plant
Member
08-29-2001
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 8:53 am
You cannot tell someone's religion or race just by how they appear. Yes sometimes you can, but not always. As far as I saw, they looked like 2 old ladies, with no distinguishing marks. Someone mentioned features in a post. Many Jews do not look "jewish". I have met many, who are very fair, blonde & blue eyed. They are not converts. They tend to come (originaly) from Poland or other parts of Europe.
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Ginger1218
Member
08-31-2001
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 8:54 am
Didn't she call them Fat Jewish women?
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 9:01 am
"old Jewish bags...jaded old bags," Ginger. It was a treat.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 9:10 am
We really have no way of knowing why Jen C thought the old ladies were jewish. Our perceptions are developed based on what we see or have experienced in our lives. For example. We have a community close to where I live that is predominantly jewish. Its a well known community and has numerous synagouges. When I hear that someone lives in that area, I immediately assume them to be jewish. Doesn't mean I'm right, nor does it mean I don't like them or I think any less of them. I'm just basing my judgment on what I know about the area. Since we didn't get to hear the entire conversation between Jen and the ladies, and we don't know all of Jen's life experiences, there is no way to tell why she thought they were jewish. Jen could have based her assumption on a myriad of things, not just on their looks or mannerisms. BTW...being a heavy set older woman my self, I'm more offended by the "fat" and "old" comments since I'm more sensitive to those derogatory terms.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 9:14 am
She did not say fat, she said bat. (those ladies were no where near fat.)
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 9:17 am
Oh...thanks Julie...see, I'm oversensitive and am hearing things which weren't said...LOL
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 9:20 am
Kep, a lot of people said it was "fat," but it was not. Even the closed captioning said it was fat as did many articles... so it was not only you.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 9:23 am
whew...thanks Julie..
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 4:44 pm
It's a gamble when you assume, especially if your assumption is based on a stereotype. I'm blonde and fair skinned. Looking at me no one would assume I'm Jewish and I'm not. However, I grew up in a predominately Jewish neighborhood and married a Jew. Many times in my business world, where no one would know my history; people often assume I'm Jewish. Not because of the way I look, but I think because of my vocabulary and personality? So, another spin on her comment is that she added the "Jewish" because they were in her face and difficult, which is a negative stereotype of the Jewish community and not at all on how they looked physically.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 5:55 pm
Or maybe they were Jewish and told her so. Even so, she deserved to be fired from her real job for making those comments. That was pretty awful. Keep your mouth shut, Jennifer, wasn't that what DT and Caroline were trying to tell her?
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 9:27 pm
You know, I am just really not liking this show very much. Last year and this year we ended up discussing ad infinitum the topics of who is racist or anti-semitic, almost to the point of being angry with each other. I think this show brings out the worst in people, not only the contestants but the viewers too.. Or is this what the business world is all about? I live in an art colony type of town where the main businesses seem to be making art and wooden boats and never see this type of aggression and hostility. Except for tourists fighting over parking spots. LOL Maybe I am isolated and naive, but its OK with me.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 8:06 am
LOL...I work for a man whose last name is one which is predominantly Jewish, who is Catholic and whose children attend an Episcopalian school. He is a charitable planning attorney and he fits into almost everyone's comfort zone...LOL!
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 9:54 am
OK, I will cut her slack, mainly because I accept her apology, I accept that the full story was more detailed, and mostly I accept that she had no sleep and was brain dead!! I think it is all about spin control, and the show, and her "people" didnt spin it very well, so it has spun out of control.... just mho btw is the show on tonight, I thought it was on Weds
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Carlito
Member
03-26-2004
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 1:49 pm
ITA Reader.Also show is tonite 9pm EST.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 5:36 pm
It's usually on on Thursday's at 9pm. Last week it was on on Wednesday cause of the Thursday's debate.
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 2:33 pm
Wanda Sykes (who I really like) was on "The Ellen DeGeneres Show" this morning and they talked about reality TV. Wanda said that she was really looking forward to another season of The Apprentice because she loved it, but she's disappointed this season because all the women are "gettin' on my nerves!" (an expression I personally have used frequently the last few weeks ) "At least the crazy girl was interesting. But now I just watch for the Donald's hair. I look at Donald for the hair..." (she continued to make some comments about his hair) It's probably not as funny reading it, but if you like Wanda Sykes, it was hysterical to see/hear her talk about this. Especially since most of us share the same sentiments!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 2:41 pm
I'm watching for the cute guys. I like the guy that they sent to drop something in front of the "gay" table. I also like Kevin (?). Unfortunately, the women are the ones getting the viewers hooked with the drama. If the men keep acting all PROFESSIONAL and MATURE, the only time they'll be shown on TV is during their repeated rewards. 
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 7:57 pm
Speaking as someone who's worked in the business world for years... Is anyone else as appalled as I am at how women have been portrayed on this show? First season, the women all used their sex appeal (short skirts, lowcut tops), until they got called out by Carolyn. This season, they are all dressed appropriately, but they act like a high school clique. If you are not one of "them" you are targeted in the boardroom. Granted, Trump has the final say, but I also get the distinct feeling he's firing people who are not well-liked because they aren't popular. Yeah, yeah, you need to have respect of those who work for you in order to be successful. But this season's crop of catty women just amazes me. I don't care how old you are, how well educated you are... you still need to treat others with respect, and act like a professional. They all look the part, but they sure can't act it. Meow!
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Carlito
Member
03-26-2004
| Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:44 am
ITA Costa.Unfortunately this is what the business world of work has become.As someone who also has spent a lifetime in the corporate world it is very disheartening and alarming that the behavior exhibited by the Apex is truly a mirror of what is going on the ofices of corporate America all around the country. I am senior enough to remember when office workers were truly team oriented and led by people who were trained to lead and manage people.In todays world you have people who have advanced degrees but lack common sense management skills and have no formal leadership skill training.Offices are managed by group think mentalities and cliques. My other concern is that without a diverse mix of people by age,sex,and race in the work place young people are not being mentored correctly and are not shown the values of working together,being respectful of other points of view,and it is hurting our future development of leaders and corporate managers.I know this show is just that,a reality show but it does show people reacting to situations based on their character and real feelings. Does anyone else see this as a serious threat!
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, October 11, 2004 - 9:31 am
Of course we also should realize that most of these people applied for this show not only for the chance of a great job but also for TV exposure...they wanted their 15 minutes of fame. Their egos are certainly large enough that they feel like they are star quality (no offense, but what exactly does a wedding planner think she will do in Trump's organization...coordinate the building of an office tower? - Don't get me wrong, I couldn't arrange a wedding to save my life but I also don't deceive myself that I could be Vice President of a major corporation.) I truly believe most of them are narcissistic (sorry if that is spelled wrong) personalities, which further keeps them from getting along. Its hard to be a team when you are concentrated only on yourself.
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Abby7
Member
07-17-2002
| Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:02 pm
For those interested in seeing the QVC segment, it is on QVC now. (started at 7pm board time)
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Starshine40
Member
07-30-2002
| Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 1:51 am
Entertainment News - October 12, 2004 Colleges Recruit 'Apprentice' Star Troy Former "Apprentice" aspirants Troy McClain, left, and Kwame Jackson pose at the post-telecast party after the finale of NBC's television boardroom game "The Apprentice," in New York, early Friday April 16, 2004. Chicagoan Bill Rancic beat out Jackson in the finale. (AP Photo/ NBC,Chris Haston) October 11, 2004 09:27 PM EDT BOISE, Idaho - Troy McClain may have been fired by Donald Trump during last year's inaugural run of the reality television show "The Apprentice," but that isn't stopping several universities and colleges from recruiting him to star on their campuses. Boise State, Columbia University and Albertson College of Idaho have contacted McClain over the past six months. He's also received offers from Hollywood. The local resident met with a Boise State University academic counselor last week to talk about registering, said his manager, Ed Moore. He hasn't made a final decision yet, but needs to register by Dec. 2 to make January classes at Boise State. McClain became a breakout star on the first season of "The Apprentice," the NBC show in which slick MBAs vie for a chance to work for Trump. McClain was decidedly unhip and lacked a college degree. He also was one of the most successful and popular members of the group. He lasted nearly to the end of the competition. When Trump did fire him, it was with obvious regret. It was his lack of education that did him in, Troy admitted on his "Tonight Show" appearance. Trump heard his comment and offered, on "Larry King Live," to send McClain to the college of his choice. "This man, with an education, will be unbeatable," Trump said. Besides the offer for college, McClain has shot two television pilots and is negotiating several other projects, Moore said. McClain started looking hard at Boise State after President Bob Kustra contacted him personally over the summer. That was "a big deal to Troy," Moore said. Boise State is eager to have a high-profile student with such a wealth of experience to share, said Frank Zang, the university's director of marketing. "He's already been tremendously successful in the business world," Zang said. "He would be an impressive member of the student body because of his real-life experience and business acumen." ---
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 7:28 am
Good for Troy!! I really liked him and wished he could have won!
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