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Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes, my opinion does change.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 3:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tish I am betting george makes a very hefty salary. A lot of senior executives in corporations have to make public appearances, attend fundraisers, etc without paying extra. If I were George, I would just be happy and keep my yap shut.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 5:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did anyone see Jennifer on The View? I didn't see this discussed anywhere, unless I missed it. She was upset about the editing. She was very apologetic for the remark and said that she was unhappy that they didn't show the footage of her apologizing at the suite and explaining to them that part of her family is Jewish. She said that's why the incident wasn't discussed in the boardroom. She had apparently already apologized beforehand.

They asked her why she assumed the women were Jewish, and she said they were like two characters from SNL's "Coffee Talk". Some of the women suggested people wouldn't be upset if she had said "those two slim, beautiful Jewish women," but Barbara Walters pointed out that it was just unnecessary to say they were Jewish at all. Jennifer also said the two women had talked with her outside after their meal and told her she was adorable but the restaurant stinks. They warned her "You don't want us to give a review," and that's why she figured they were key in getting the lower score.

Jennifer found out she was fired from a reporter. Her employer told her she was being fired for "cause," but it sounded like she didn't know what that meant.

My personal opinion is that if she was foolish enough to make that kind of remark with a camera in her face, she's not somebody I'd want working for me. By now everyone should know how editing works, and she should've been more mindful of what came out of her mouth.

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just saw a promo for Access Hollywood and they show Jen C and the fact that she got fired from her real job.
So there will be some segment tonight regarding this whole debacle.

Here in NYC it's on NBC at 7:30pm.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
George looks to be 70 or so and may not have the energy to do this along with his other obligations. I am sure he gets a good salary but may not be able to keep the pace this show requires.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
DT prolly wants MB to pay them the extra money.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 1:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, if the Donald is getting paid for his time on the show shouldn't George and Caroline?

Beachcomber
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08-26-2003

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 5:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Any man, woman, or child would demand extra pay if they had to traipse all over NY with this bunch of bickering women and then sit in marathon board room meetings and listen to their incessant blabbing. They have worn the old man out!

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 6:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL...I agree Beachcomber...

George is prolly sitting there thinking "COMBAT PAY"...because anyone would suffer post traumatic stress after a few sessions with them!!!

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree Jennifer should have been fired for inappropriate comments.
But, to go a little off-topic, if the two customers really were "old Jewish women" why was it a firing offense to say so? I never understand why people get offended by someone saying outloud what is apparent to everyone.
I'm not defending racial slurs or other offensive comments, just curious.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 7:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well Catfat, I'm Jewish and it wasn't obvious to me that they were Jewish. Can you tell me what gave it away? I could tell by looking at them that they were older and women, but that was all.

Newsanchor
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11-05-2003

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 7:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Good question Tishala, I was wondering myself how it was "obvious" they were Jewish. Furthermore, I don't think people are offended when something is stated as fact, but Jen's comments made it appear to me she was describing the ladies in a derogatory way--this I find offensive and it makes her look ignorant.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 7:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Okay, so assume they were not Jewish. Why would it be offensive to be called Jewish?

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think because of her tone she made it sound like a bad thing...jmho.

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tishala, you are correct, I assumed they were Jewish because Jennifer said they were, my TV reception is all snowy so I couldn't see their features very well.
And Julieboo, I agree, why would it be offensive to be called Jewish?
I think my question was badly worded, so I apologize for that.
I guess I didn't mean these women specifically, but in general, why do people get offended when a truth is told? But I think Newsanchor is right, Jen's comments were said in a derogatory way and that was offensive.
Sorry, I didn't mean to "start something".

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 8:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's because she called them Jewish and jaded old bags. SOrry, but when you put together that string of words, you get what you will.

I find the comments themselves, and the structure of the comments blatantly anti-semitic. But then again, Wal-Mart used to sell Protocols of the Elders of Zion, so what do I know? I do know, however, that if you're willing to make comments that can be construed as anti-semitic when you work in NY real estate, you won't have a career.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 8:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It was somewhat offensive to me because…often, when you include an ethnic description of a person…when speaking with anger… it's easy to see a pre judgment on that person due to that ethnic description.

However, I’m not sure that I agree with her being fired. But, I see her employee’s perspective.

I didn't think she was believable or very sincere on The View. I thought she was there just trying to save face. I bet it's not the first time she added the Jewish description when b^tc^ing about someone.

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 9:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I didn't see The View, but in the articles I have read, and saw her speak on Access Hollywood - her statement has been that "it was taken out of context" and "half my family is Jewish".

First, I don't care that half her family is Jewish. That doesn't mean she can't be prejudiced.

Second, I don't know if she understands "taken out of context". Or maybe I don't???

I don't see any way that her statement could have been "taken out of context". There were no edit cuts during her declaration of the "It was the two old Jewish bat ladies. They were like the pinacle of the New York jaded, old bags... ...cheap old bats"

Now even IF she apologized to Stacy, her comment still would not have been taken out of context.
To me, taken out of context would be that they did some really creative editing and inserted her saying "Jewish" at some other point that had nothing to do with this. But she hasn't made that claim. And again, I didn't see any edit cuts at all during that statement.

From what I've gathered, her feeling of "being a victim of the editing" was that they didn't show the alleged apology to Stacy, and that she said how half her family is Jewish.

Would that have made a difference? IMO - I don't think so.

btw - I agree with Elliman's decision.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 9:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lil,
Yes, but it just might be the last time! What confused me is that she tried to defend herself on the View by saying her mother's first husband was Jewish.

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 10:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
in an article on RealityWorldTV

In a comment to the New York Post, Donald Trump said he wasn't aware of Jennifer's comments when he made the decision to fire her. Jennifer's mother, Dale Crisafulli,told the Syracuse Post-Standard that her daughter meant nothing by the remarks. "She didn't mean a thing by it. She has a brother and a sister that are Jewish," she said. According to her mother, Jennifer was raised Catholic but has half-siblings who are Jewish and "identifies with many backgrounds." "She just feels free enough to be able to say what's in her head," Dale Crisafulli told the paper. "I just wish people would be fair and not be judgmental." "All of my Jewish friends and relatives are calling and saying 'I can't believe they're doing that to her.'"

IMO - the mother should stay quiet as I don't think her remarks make Jen look any better...

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 10:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't understand the confusion. (I was confused when the thread FIRST started. That's why I decided to post. After reading all the posts, I don't understand why there is still a question).

Let's say someone hit me. I get a black eye. I'm angry. I'm telling someone the story, JUST after it happened.

I would say that jerk, that idiot hit me (probably some stronger adjectives). Something like that. It wouldn't be natural for me to add the word Jewish (if I guessed they were Jewish for some reason) or any kind of race/religion. It's just not natural to do so!



AGAIN, there was no reason to add the word Jewish (in Jennifer's case) to her sentence in that case.

If I had to explain it to a policeman, my words would have to be descriptive. I would describe how the person looked as I saw them.




Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 4:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jens mother said.."She has a brother and a sister that are Jewish,"

NO, she has a brother and sister who are Jewish.

I agree Abby7.

Jasper
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09-14-2000

Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Actually, if they are her children with her first Jewish husband and Jen's mother Dale is Catholic, then the children are Catholic. (technically speaking and it sounds to me as if they were raised in a Catholic household with Jen, they probably participated in that as well)

Judaism is passed down the female side of the family.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 8:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've dealt with a lot of rascism as a white woman married to a black man for over 31 years. I raised 3 children and I have seen and felt racism in most of its forms, from both sides. I do not condone it, nor do I believe it should be tolerated in any way. That disclaimer being said, I still am not so sure Jen was actually being racist when she spoke.

If those women had been wearing babuska's on their heads, had ankle length skirts and wide aprons, and Jen had referred to them as Ukranian old bats, or had they come in smelling of whiskey and Jen called them old Irish ninnys, I don't think anyone would have thought twice about it. But there has been so much racism in this world against Jews and blacks that any statements made with those terms will always be seen as suspect.

But just because some take offense, or are offended by another's remark, does not mean the statement was made with racist overtones. It is possible to refer to someone's race, religion or ethinticity, even in anger, without being a racist.

I know racism. Racism is about hate, and hating someone because they are different. Racism is about denying someone basic human rights based soley on hatred for who or what they are. Racism is about trying to make others feel less than they are simply because they do not fit a percieved ideal.

Jen was angry and she acted in a stupid and crass manner, and for that I would have fired her alone. But I'm not ready to hang the title of racist on her just yet.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kep, I'm not sure I disagree with anything you say. But I would add that there are certain normative, negative associations some people make about ethnic, religious, or ethnic groups that may not be full blown "racist," but are prejudice nonetheless.

And even if we agree that Jennifer wasn't a racist, I don't doubt that the statements had anti-semitic connotations. And that is not something helpful either in her field or where she lives.