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Makays
Member
07-12-2001
| Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 10:02 pm
Great episodes tonight. On next weeks preview's did anyone catch who Joey is fighting? Could it be Peter?
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 10:07 pm
I think Joey fights Peter next week ...
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 10:17 pm
I think so, too. It's someone with short, dark hair so it's definitely not Jesse, although I kind of wish it was. I don't know why but he's been getting on my nerves in the last few episodes. I think I'm hoping Alfonso takes this. He was great tonight, and I like that he didn't spend time mouthing off about how great he is and defending his record. He just let his fighting speak for itself. Then again, I missed episode 1 so maybe he mouthed off back then.
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 10:20 pm
Two great fights tonight! Sergio and Alfonso both showed a lot of heart. I can't say I'm sorry that Ishe and Ahmed lost. Both are good boxers, but their egos are too big for the ring. Definitely looks like Joey and Peter next week. Whoever ends up in the final round, I think it's going to be one heck of a good fight.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 12:26 am
I'm glad to see Ishe gone. His ego was hard to stomach and he was starting to melt down after losing his "lackies". Funny how everyone was behind Ishe when he was mouthing off after Anthony didnt 'do what he told him to'. the rest of the guys came around pretty quickly and enjoyed the reward. Ishe sulked like a three yr old! and refused to join in. This was the end of him and his confidence In my opinion. Even before he was in the ring Ishe looked like he knew he was going to lose this fight. The strange thing to me was the way his wife was almost fanatically praying and 'laying on hands' before the fight. Her words were disturbing. What was even more disturbing to me was that PSALMS 25 was emblazed on the back of Ishe's Fighting shorts. To use Bible verses as an excuse to beat someone bloody is sick IN MY OPINION i dont understand how anyone could consider boxing a Christian Calling. NOT saying that Christians cant do anything that they CHOOSE to do, I am just saying that it isnt the profession of choice.
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Sassynegal
Member
01-21-2005
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:45 am
I too was glad to see Ishe gone and was not heartbroke to see Ahmmed leave again either. I really liked both Alfonso and Sergio last night! I think every fight from here on out will be a good fight! So Joey was playing the game I still think it takes a truly good person to be able to walk away from a free new vehicle and give it up to someone who needs it. His dad must of knewof his plan because when he stopped his dad got out and ran back and cheered Peter on. I agree Sunshyne I don't mind that they pray for strength or like Sergios mom praying he'd be safe but to say that God has said Ishe would be victorious or to pray to God that he make you the winner of this to me is disgusting. Pray that he'll help you use your skills/knowledge, pray that he'll watch over you and take care of you but don't pray for a victory. IMO. The preview lead you to believe that Joey has a good fight next week, and I hope he does but if it is Peter he is fighting I don't want him to win as I've come to really like Peter and would like to see him in the end.
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Legalboxer
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11-17-2003
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 7:02 am
I believe it was Psalm 27 on his shorts, not 25 and I see nothing wrong with it. I also don't understand the comment "To use Bible verses as an excuse to beat someone bloody is sick" I don't see anywhere that he said or did anything to show that he was using the bible as an excuse to beat up other people. That psalm is about believing in the Lord enough to have enough confidence and courage to overcome anything that is thrown against you - to rise up against your enemies - and while the other fighters are not necessarily "enemies" or "evil" they are opponents in the ring and thus it is motivation for him to win then "an excuse to beat someone bloody". There are people out there who fight just to fight - but those people are not the ones that succeed and beating people up is not why people box. These people box because its something they are good at and want to do - and if some do think it is a calling then there is nothing wrong with that - we all should be able to pursue our dreams - and keep our faith - and boxing is not some evil profession. I also just want to point out - and this is not saying everyone is like this but just those who I have seen over the years - but a great majority of boxers are very religious people - alfonso, sergio, and their families were praying before (and during) the fights just as much as Ishe and his wife - and there is nothing wrong with that. If you believe in God, then you should be able to have that belief at all times - and there are no rules about what things you are allowed to pray about - this was not about beating up another man, its about succeeding in the ring so that you can continue in your work and there is a huge difference in the two.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 7:32 am
Thank you, Legalboxer. Very well said.
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 7:57 am
Besides there is a LOT of sex and violence in the Bible, so it's really not such a big leap. 
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Marysafan
Member
08-07-2000
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 8:44 am
I get what Sunshyne4u is saying. Sometimes folks appear like they are asking God for favors like they are more deserving. To pray for victory over your enemies who are looking to kill you is one thing, to pray to be the victor in a competition AS IF you were fighting your enemies quite another. If you ascribe to the belief that we are all God's children, asking God to show favoritism and grant you all the good things, while bringing disappointment and despair to your competitors seems rather self-serving and not in keeping with God's commandments to love others as you love yourself. It's a dynamic that is difficult for some people to reconcile. In effect, you are trying to make yourself and others believe that your will is God's will. It can be very off putting.
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 8:54 am
I'm not a fan of people praying for victory in sports, but it is done all the time -- football, basketball, bicycling, boxing, karate, you name it. I don't think seeing a boxer praying for victory is any more or less self-serving than a competitor in any other sport. Heck, for that matter, asking for anything seems kind of self-serving. Asking for guidance, strength, and the courage to accept what comes with grace and dignity would be more to my taste. However, what works for me isn't necessarily what works for everyone and who knows what God thinks about it all. 
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Cousin_jake
Member
07-04-2002
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 9:24 am
There's a God?
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 9:29 am

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Sassynegal
Member
01-21-2005
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 10:35 am
Marysfan and Max I think you hit it on the head. I was offended/disturbed by Ishe's wife making a comment with regards to God has decided Ishe will be victorious and win this - my hubby & I both were like what did God tell you he'd make sure you'd win. And perhaps that is what made me view her pray as more of a pray to win vs a pray for strength and well-being and therefore bothered me by it. I am glad these guys have found religion and I believe that you should thank the Lord for the skills and abilities and opportunities he has blessed you with but I have a hard time with the prayers of please give me a victory - but I'll admit I should not judge others prayer as it's not my place.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 10:48 am
it isn't a profession of choice Of course boxing is a profession. Just like baseball, basketball, race car driving and many others. Of course it is by choice that people pick their professions. See how that works out? A profession of choice. I have always enjoyed boxing and the talent boxers have. My favorite was Ali. It doesn't bother me if someone wants to pray. It doesn't bother me when they choose to pray or what someone prays for either. It is my understanding that prayer is really between the individual and whichever god they are praying to. Who am I to judge this private matter? Ready to rumble?
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 11:36 am
I do see how praying for victory can be seen as debatable but i guess i just want to say again, how are we to draw a line in what is acceptable to pray for - i just imagine all those people thinking please god let me make this shot right before they kick a field goal or shoot a free throw at the end of a game - and as i type this i guess it just came to me the easiest way to put it in words - we all have the right to ask God (or whoever) for anything we want and God has every right to say yes or no to our request. (and he wouldnt make the decision because of favorism because if you go along with the whole idea of God, it is not in him to simply play favorites, his choices are made for the right reasons because he is God and can do no wrong. )
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 2:57 pm
Alfonso isn't "mouthing off", he is showing his confidence in himself. One thing that this show has demonstrated, the mind is a huge part of the training. Alfonso didn't go for the easy fight in the first round; he put himself up against the strongest competitor at the time, Peter. Joey is VERY smart - he was in the top half of his law school class. And his family has money - so they didn't need the new truck, and I think he knew Peter wouldn't set him up in a bad fight. Joey is definately playing the game (and while this is about skill, there is also timing and gameplaying - there is the mind play that beat Ishe and Ahmed). Joey won't win this contest, but he's going to make out just fine in life. 'squeek'
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Kritofer
Member
10-26-2004
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 3:38 pm
I used to respect this show when it first started out. But now I'll treat it just like any other reality show. (I'm addicted of course)!! If this ain't like Survivor (with alliances and such) then I don't know what is. I can't believe that Joey played Ahmad like a grand piano!! He let Peter win the challenge, and it seemed like the matchup Peter made was exactly what HE had planned (I'm sure it was the Alliance's matchup anyway). And the fact that he was in his corner during the fight - what a hypocrite!! I wonder how much these boxers will truly respect each other (in their sport) after this is all over????
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:12 pm
, how are we to draw a line in what is acceptable to pray for ? No one here has made a list and is expecting everyone to follow it. However, the Bible is clear about wanting Glory and Riches for personal gain. No question about it, no interpretation needed. Rosie I completely agree with your post. I think you may have misread MY post To use Bible verses as an excuse to beat someone bloody is sick IN MY OPINION i dont understand how anyone could consider boxing a Christian Calling. NOT saying that Christians cant do anything that they CHOOSE to do, I am just saying that it isnt the profession of choice.
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:26 pm
It isn't the profession of WHO'S choice? If you mean God's choice, I have a few questions I'd love you to ask him next time you're having a two-way conversation. The Bible is only as clear as the person reading it wants it to be, in many instances. I don't think there's a passage anywhere in there that says, "Thou shalt not box to earn a living." Remember, when interpreting the Bible, that's exactly what you're reading -- an interpretation. You're reading something that, in most cases, was written on paper many years after the events occurred, often by people who weren't directly there. It was written in a language very different from the texts distributed in the Americas. It was written without punctuation, which makes for some very interesting alternate interpretations of many passages. It was then translated by hand by representatives of a church that had a vested interest in putting forth their own agenda for, quite often, motives that were more politically based than spirtually based. Anyway, I don't want this to turn into a religion thread, but I'm just pointing out that there really isn't a darned thing that I can think of in the Bible that says boxing isn't just as honorable a profession as professional football or being a doctor or attorney or garbage hauler. In fact, it you really want to get into specifics of things the Bible says (in the Old Testament) about professions that are dishonorable, I think you'll find things that might surprise you. Now excuse me while I go put on my cotton/linen blend shirt and munch on a BLT. For those who don't get that last bit, check in the book of Leviticus. 
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:33 pm
BTW, if you want to watch an excellent boxing documentary, look for Ring of Fire: Emile Griffith Story to be re-shown on USA. It's an excellent documentary about a boxing match in the 60s that, tragically, resulted in the death of one of the fighters. It's a boxing story told in very human terms. Very moving. There's no doubt that boxing is a brutal sport, but I still like it. I'm just glad that equipment is better and referees have learned to stop fights very quickly when one fighter appears in obvious trouble. (Although in this particular fight, the blows were coming so hard and fast that you really can't blame the ref for what happened; it's just a risky sport, period.)
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 7:25 pm
"LaToya won't let him give up on his boxing dream, even though they now have to live with her parents. She believes in him, inspires him, and sees his boxing skill as his gift from God. Ishe trains with religious zeal" from the contender site My comments-- Ishe was put into boxing by his Mother at NINE years old. She was then his Manager. Later when Ishe LOST a decision he became very angry and depressed. He realized that Boxing had stolen his childhood. I found the articles very sad. This man is confused and seems to truly be zealous in his delusion that God wants him to box. The meaning of "Pride goeth before the Fall" seems to have been lost on him. Numerous times Ishe has faced extremely trying situations and failures yet he still comes back with Pride and the feeling that God wants him to fight. I only hope that his mind opens to what message he is being sent, not to continue to focus on what "he" wants. Just my opinion. Check out the links. Very interesting http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2005/04/14/feature2.html http://www.sugarshay.com/biography.html
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 7:34 pm
It isn't the profession of WHO'S choice? If you mean God's choice, I have a few questions I'd love you to ask him next time you're having a two-way conversation Very funny Max A CHRISTIAN's choice. I stated it very clearly in my post AND IN RED LOL Is drugdealing 'a profession of choice' for a Christian? How about Child Pornographer? How about Salesperson who lies really well therefore excellent at their job? WOW they Have a 'God given talent for lying'!! Are those within the parameters of a good christian lifestyle? Surely I dont need to explain my theory in a more indepth fashion. it is clear by the way, most of the NEW testament was written first person by people who were there. Not sure what you are talking about actually (unless you mean the Large numbers of clerics who debate and argue about the meanings of certain archiac words which have no current definitions) But lets not go into a "religious" conversation. As adults we can agree to disagree. My comments were about ISHE and his <> wife. <c>
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 7:45 pm
Sunshyne, I'm a Christian and I disagree with you. So goes the world. I'd debate theology with you, but I'm sure we'd still disagree. As for Ishe and his wife (I'll refrain from judging or labeling her beliefs), it would seem to me that they rely on their faith to pull them through tough times and I respect that, even if I don't share all of their theological views. That said, I'm hard pressed to decide who to root for if it truly ends up being Joey and Peter next week. 
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Karuuna
Member
08-31-2000
| Monday, April 25, 2005 - 7:45 pm
I don't think drug dealing or pornography, both of which are illegal, really equate fairly with a legal sport like boxing? And lying is clearly forbidden by the Big Ten. I'm pretty sure I remember God telling people to smote this one or that, which is a lot more vicious than boxing, but that could just be me. Boxing is certainly violent, and although I've been watching this show, I keep thinking of the recent Dateline that showed a woman who ended up severely brain damaged from a night in the ring. And frankly, with my education experiences, I doubt the intelligence of letting anyone have their head slammed repeatedly without protective headgear. It causes brain damage, that's pretty straightforward. But that's different than a faith question. I have to imagine that God would not want us doing things to our bodies that mar the wonderful creations that we call our brains. Doesn't seem a worthy way to treat that wonderful gift. But again, that's just me. Your Mileage May Vary.
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