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Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That is why I find it sad about these boxers. After you have even MILD braindamage it is very difficult to learn OR succeed at a new occupation. Often cognitive problems will occur thus going back to College is very unlikely to be successful.

I have to imagine that God would not want us doing things to our bodies


Well said, you are much more articulate than I! The body is to be considered the Temple of God as a Christian. That is why smoking and drinking to excess is frowned on by most churches.

Oh and Max, Sorry you took offence. I wasnt judging her I was simply using a descriptive word. I could have said Zealous, it means virtually the same thing.

Marysafan
Member

08-07-2000

Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 6:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In Alfonso's diary, he tells us that when they were in Vegas, an alliance of four evolved. The "Italian gang" banded together to vote Ahmed back in to get under Ishe's skin. Alfonso tells us that according to the rules, Ahmed was ineligible for the first fight back and being that Ishe was pretty much driving everyone nuts, Alphonso and Sergio figured they would be picked to fight Ishe.

With Ishe gone, there was no more need to keep Ahmed around, so Alphonso had a pretty good idea that if one of the "Italian gang" won the challenge he would be tagged to fight Ahmed. Alphonso says that he is a lousy athlete, so he had to rely on Sergio to win the challenge...but alas...the "Italian gang" are some mighty fine athletes and they won another challenge.

That's all well and good and probably went according to their plan...except now Sergio and Alphonso are in the final four...and the "Italian gang" are left to take out each other! I wonder if they thought it through!

Legalboxer
Member

11-17-2003

Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 9:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I’m sorry but I cringe when anyone can associate drug dealing and pornography with boxing. They are NOT the same - drug dealing and pornography are NOT professions and should not be used in the same sentence as boxing. One can call boxing violent but its no more dangerous than football or other sports - you take the same risk of injury if you get hit a certain way. I also don’t see Sugar Ray Leonard having any brain damage after all his fights - he may not always have made the right decisions, taking a risk after his retina detached but he is one of the smartest and most articulate people on the show and in the sports world - some people get brain damage but not every one does just because they step into a ring... and I really doubt Joey, who is a licensed attorney would be doing this if he thought it would damage him for life. The wrong punch can destroy a life, but just as much as the wrong tackle or wrong check in hockey or even Dale Earnhart's crash - that looked like one of the most simple crashes ever in a race and it killed him - so yes, boxing can be violent but it is not a life altering sport, especially if you approach it as a professional.

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Legal, I understand that people's opinions on this can differ. But in most other professional sports, the head is not a legitimate target and where it is an accidental target, helmets are required (batting in baseball, all the time in football). Our brains are extremely fragile, and if you look at the percentage of injuries in boxing versus other sports, the head is the site of injury in boxing around 90% of the time, and the head is injured in around 20% of fights (according to a long-term Australian study). Fortunately, most head injuries are not neurological, but when the sport's aim is to hit someone in the head as often as possible, the high rate of neurological injuries is a logical consequence.

The aim of other sports is to proceed toward a goal, and physical punishment and injury are a side effect (well, for most athletes, some are certainly trying to inflict injury!). The aim of boxing is to hurt your opponent physically.

According to the Society of Neurosurgeons, 90% of professional boxers have some neurological injury; compared to 10% of college football players and 20% of high school football players. It is the one sport in which neurological injury rate gets higher the more professional you become.

I guess what I'm saying is that both through it's 'aim' and through statistics re head injuries, boxing is very different from other professional sports. A lot of that would improve if head gear were required; but apparently that's only good for amateurs.



Legalboxer
Member

11-17-2003

Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i agree with what you are saying Kar

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 12:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
According to the Society of Neurosurgeons, 90% of professional boxers have some neurological injury; compared to 10% of college football players and 20% of high school football players. It is the one sport in which neurological injury rate gets higher the more professional you become.

Interesting research...I wonder if any of these kids KNEW about the facts prior to starting this sport?? I really cant see a rational person CHOOSING this sport unless they just plain arent good at anything else. OR they want to be a tough guy.





Sassynegal
Member

01-21-2005

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 6:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's called Testosterone!

Ladytex
Member

09-27-2001

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Are you trying to start a flame war here with comments like that? So only irrational people box? Or people that aren't good at anything else? Isn't one of the contenders a lawyer? Wouldn't that negate your statement right off? And there are plenty of women boxers... tough guys? testosterone? Maybe they like the sport ... hmmm ...

Sassynegal
Member

01-21-2005

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 7:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was being sarcastic - I don't think you could argue that any of the guys on this show don't love what they are doing. They are good at it and they want to be successful at it - most of them have made huge sacrafices to keep boxing.

Yeah one wants to be a lawyer and look at Sugar Ray a very intelligent man who was a succesful boxer and now a successful tv star. I think he's good at more then boxing.

Sorry guess I thought I could joke in here!

Legalboxer
Member

11-17-2003

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 7:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
thank you ladytex..

i guess i dont really qualify since i just am a female attorney with 3 degrees that boxes in the gym every week - and would definitely be in the ring if i ever thought i had any skill or if i hadnt of lost one eye as a kid - but i continue to box WITHOUT any chance of the glory of a victory because that how much it means to me in my heart, and how much i get out of it, if only in a gym - but like i said, i guess because i am not a professional i wouldnt fall into that group of actual boxers that we are talking about.



Legalboxer
Member

11-17-2003

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
sassy - i took your comment as a joke :-)

Sassynegal
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01-21-2005

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 8:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
GOOD - If I didn't respect the sport I wouldn't be such a huge fan of this show and boxing or of the UFC but I am of both!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, just to be clear, there is a big difference between amateur boxing (with protective headgear) and professional boxing.

It's not that I think they are irrational, heck, we *all* do irrational, body-damaging things in one way or another. I'm not interested in judging anyone for their choices, I do worry about the long-term consequences for anyone who boxes. I wish the associations that monitor these things would require headgear at the professional level.

One of the reasons that I have a hard time watching this show is that these guys put their whole hearts into what they do, and when they lose, they are often broken-hearted. It's because I like them that I find their disappointment so hard to watch, it makes me ache to see them lose their dream.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 1:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
But ARE they losing their dream? They have lost a chance at a Million Dollars but they are not blacklisted from Boxing as far as I know.

Surely the guys who lost their fights can still continue to box. Of course, the two guys who were older, Tarek and Jonathon, this was kinda their last chance but I dont remember either of them crying after the fight.

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i understood that the comment by Sassy was a joke. But In a way it IS about testosterone. This hormone does help with muscle formation/ development and it has been found to increase the ability to be aggressive.

Marysafan
Member

08-07-2000

Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 6:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow...I am totally blown away by Joey's performance. What heart! So proud...so very, very proud of him.

I can't wait to read Alfonso's diary afterwards. I've become addicted to the thing. I hope he will continue to update it once the show is over. He is assuming and entertaining, but also oh so smart.

Legalboxer
Member

11-17-2003

Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
......................i so wanted joey to win...

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 7:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
jackie's site

http://www.jackiekallen.com/index.html


Max
Member

08-12-2000

Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 9:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Man that was a heartbreaker! Joe fought like a true champ despite breaking a rib in the early rounds. He showed a TON of heart. I felt so bad for his mom. Watching your son take that kind of a beating has got to be hard, but being a nurse and watching it would be worse, I think, because you KNOW shat kind of damage can be happening.

I really hope that, as part of the finale show, they give us updates on the guys who left.

Makays
Member

07-12-2001

Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 9:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was so torn tonight on who I wanted to win. I like both Joey and Peter.
I cried like a baby, on Joey getting hurt. I love boxing, but, I hate to see someone get hurt like that. I guess it goes with the territory.

If Peter doesn't fight better, his next go round he will be eliminated.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Monday, May 02, 2005 - 1:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am surprised that Joey was talked into continuing with the broken rib. He told them and they berated him. The rib could have punctured a lung and I think his mom must have told him how dangerous it is to box. I was glad to see his POST fight interview but it seemed like he knew that he wasnt good enough to be there.

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What bothered me was how Manfredo's father was so verbally abusive. Refusing to let his son have water until AFTER he finished giving him heck.

This has left me wondering how many of those kids are boxing because their parents WANT them too and are pressuring them. Gomez's family seem so respectful of each other and his dad gives him advice NOT Harrassment.


it seems that the guys seem to feel that they are letting their families down when they lose.

manfredo is MARRIED with a child...they should be his first priority NOT appeasing his father. OH well. Just a few thoughts I was having. I may change my mind to a different perspective by tomorrow.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, May 02, 2005 - 6:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Keep your eyes and ears peeled ... the last few contenders eliminated have been interviewed on the Reality Now radio show at the fishbowl and each have said something about they hope we vote for them to fight again ...

Suitsmefine
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07-29-2002

Monday, May 02, 2005 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sunshyne, I so agree....Peters Dad was driving me nuts!!!! I kept thinking "Shut-up and leave him alone", Peter fought so much better when his Dad wasn't there...only after his DAd started yelling at him did he start to let his guard down! I like Joey, but I didn't like the way he tried to get the fight with the injured guy....I wanted to see just how good he is...I was rooting for Peter and when Joey got hurt I felt like a schmuck...then when they talked to Joey after the fight and He talked about his family and how they were what is important, I cried like a baby!

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Monday, May 02, 2005 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've seen a fair amount of injuries in my time (ER) and I'd say that Joey had a broken eyesocket and possibly cheekbone. I hope he isnt permanently disfigured.

A head butt? I truly never saw that- it must have happened very fast.

i respect Joey for his mental game play though. He was definitely using psychology and he would have made it further if he HAD won the matchmaker competition/ position of power.



Nancypj
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08-17-2001

Monday, May 02, 2005 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The head butt must have happened during one of the bazillion times the camera was focused on Stallone yelling, "YEAH!" I didn't see it happen either... :-)

Makays
Member

07-12-2001

Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 12:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sunshy

I usually am not at a loss for words, but I was when he got hurt. It looked horrible! I ran into the bedroom to see if my husband had been watching the show.(he wasn't)I was sobbing so bad that I could hardly talk.
After he figured out why I was crying so hard, he said that I have one of the softest hearts he's ever seen on a person. Believe me, I can cry with the best of them but, you would have to pretty cold to of seen his face and not of been shocked.

I do love boxing....but if all fights ended like that, I'm not so sure I would be a fan.