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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 9:43 pm
Yes, it really does look Photoshopped, Scorpiomom. LOL--it is so silly. I did laugh at the pinky swear thinking of the furor on BB. LOL--doesn't Ryan realise that Gary will never vote against Mo? So what did he accomplish?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 1:21 am
he accomplished what he agreed to with Gary a few weeks ago...that a GUY would win the game. Yep, its the old guys against girls stuff in EVERY show isnt it?? sigh
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 6:13 pm
It's legal and "acceptable" for those guys with their man-boobs to go shirtless at the beach, around their neighborhoods, etc...mine are smaller than theirs, yet I'd be arrested. Maybe that's part of why it always seems to be men vs. women, Sun.
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 1:43 am
OK, I only started watching this show halfway into the season. THere are a few things I don't understand. How come they aren't going by BMI (body mass index) - as opposed to straight weight loss? Was this ever addressed on the show? Muscle weighs more than fat, so if someone was able to build up muscle quicker, they'd be at a disadvantage. (and even if they decide to do this for the finale, it's unfair to the previous people who were voted off, because they could have had a better BMI than actual pounds lost) When I worked with a personal trainer for 1 1/2 months, I ate a properly balanced diet and worked out 3 - 4 times a week. I gained 5 pounds - but lost 5% body fat! I was in great shape! (I should add that I am naturally thin and wasn't looking to lose weight. I ate probably the same amount of food, but a much better diet. I also drank protein shakes everyday. And my focus was weight training) Since they are only going for pounds, if I were them, I'd just do heavy aerobic activity and leave the strength training for when I got home I'm also having a hard time understanding what's going on with Mo. It seems that he's lost the least amount of weight than anybody. From my experience with friends who were very overweight, (albeit only 1 was in the league of Mo) they were able to drop a lot of weight very quickly, but then they'd plateau and have to fight to drop further significant weight. Obviously his weight prevents him from doing as strenuous activity as the others can. (which would also make me believe that he's not building much muscle either), plus his diet must be a vast improvement. Wouldn't his diet alone help drop significant weight initially? And he is active - even if not on the same level as the others, it's got to be several times more than he was doing prior to the show. I don't get it. I thought he would have been the biggest threat. I do like Mo a lot and hope he continues trying to lose weight. I was a bit disappointed when I heard him say his goal was only to lose 50 lbs. Hopefully this lifestyle will become easier for him and encourage him to continue. I can't wait to see his current photo! Go Mo!!!!!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 2:41 am
How come they aren't going by BMI (body mass index) - as opposed to straight weight loss? A number of us have been talking about this. The very first episode they weighed everyone then Submerged them for an underwater weight (gives a fat ratio or something) In the beginning they only counted lbs lost, NOW they are doing a Loss ratio...some of us feel that the FINAL weighin will be the FULL BMI reading and comparison therefore leading to the BIGGEST LOSER!! And yes it isnt fair but this show has been shown to be about alliances and conflict instead of healthy eating and exercise. I, for one, would really like to know the exact Foods that these guys are eating and in what combination. In the beginning the two teams were on different diets. I also would like to know if the four hour a day workouts are everyday, if so I hope that people in the viewing audiences DONT give themselves heart attacks buying home gym equipment thinking they will also lose 40-80 lbs. yeah yeah, I'm a worrywart.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 5:12 am
I am thinking that maybe Mo is a diabetic or something. When you are on the oral medications even, it really slows your weight loss. If you are on insulin, it becomes even more difficult. I have to take Amaryl and it amazes me how much more difficult that makes it to lose weight. I have recently lost 20 pounds, but it has taken two months of not cheating at all on my diet and working out for at least an hour every day. My friend Melissa had to go to insulin and almost immediately gained 35 pounds on a diet where she had been LOSING weight previous to taking the insulin. So I am thinking maybe something like this is going on with Mo.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 5:28 am
Alisons that's 2.5 lbs a week! That's a great and healthy rate of weight loss! Congrats. It's seems to me ratio is more fair than total weight loss. I know 30 lbs on me at 5'1" is alot more weight than on someone taller.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 10:26 am
I think the reason why they don't measure BMI is because, after all, this is a reality show. I'm guessing the belief of the producers is that the average person watching doesn't know about or know enough about BMI to be impressed by a 1,2 or 3 percent change. Getting on a scale is something everyone can relate to whereas measuring one's BMR isn't. Also, it all comes down to DRAMA. Having someone stand on a scale with the results shown is far more dramatic than measuring someone's BMI. If someone said, "I lost ten pounds", it would have more of a significant meaning to most people than if someone said, "My BMI is now 18%".
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 7:30 pm
Thanks Texannie, I have really been trying! Scorpiomoon, you make a very good point about BMI. That is something that is very hard to compare person to person and it is hard to tell what a weight loss will translate into in terms of BMI.
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Reader234
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08-13-2000
| Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 9:30 pm
Just saw a commerial, it looks like all the contestants go home for a length of time, then come back and get weighed!! heeehheee, will Mo get in touch with mickeyD's??? I wonder if they'll be able to hire a personal trainer, or go to gym?
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 10:20 pm
Uhm, BMI = wt/(ht)2, not %body fat. BMI is not a percentage, it is just a ratio. It is used in population studies and health screens to show risk, but a body builder with low percent body fat can have a BMI of an overweight or obese person. If the contestants have their height noted on the web site, then we can calculate their BMI. For example, Ryan, at 6'1", 330# started at a BMI = 43.6 (150 kg/1.854^2), current BMI = 33 (still "obese"). Gary, 5'10", 227# started at a BMI = 32.5 (103 kg/1.778^2), current BMI = 25.4 (just in the overweight category). And Mo, 6'0", 436# started with BMI = 59.2, current BMI = 51.7. (morbidly obese, but we all know that). BMI vs wt lost would be that much different. And if you gained muscle wt, then your BMI would actually go up. I agree that %fat change is really the only fair way to judge (and show health benefits). However, weekly changes are not usually measureable - I'm hopeful there will be a %fat change result provided at the end. Regarding Mo and the diabetes. I would think he is hyperinsulinemic as well (making extra insulin in order to maintain normal blood glucose levels) - check the skin around his neck. A person with hyperinsulinemia will have significant darkening around the neck (and often under the arms) called acanthosis nigerians. But with all that exercise and the strict diet, even he should lose weight (and decrease his insulin production). And these folks are monitored by doctors - we've seen the cotton balls after blood draws in the crook of the arm during interviews or other scenes of the show. It is scary to read the food journals. Mo's journal for the first three weeks is posted - but amounts/servings are not included. Wonder how much cheese he was eating. These trainers have put them on a Low Carb diet (which explains the impressive first week weight loss for the majority). But your energy level goes pretty low for extended exercise sessions. Ryan listed "Edge" drink daily on his week 3 journal. His list included more carbs (which might allow for harder exercise sessions). But watching the red team read through the restaurant menu made me cringe a few times. Granted, white bread and french fries definately have no real nutritional value, but whole grains, brown rice and baby potatoes (in reasonable portions) offer phytonutrients that may not be available in other foods (definately not in a diet consistent mostly of egg whites and chicken breasts and cheese). Long term studies continue to show that low fat/calorie controlled along with exercise is how people keep the lost weight away. 'squeek'(konamouse, the dietitian, gets off her soapbox now).
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 10:52 pm
Konamouse, I am so glad you posted!! I am so jealous of those (umm my dh,et el - *g) that are losing so much on the low carb craze, I cannot do it, my body jjust revolts!! I'm ready (again) to try, and I've been tempted to try (again) low carb,(for the rest of my life too!) but a lil voice in the back of my mind keeps saying Weight Watchers... ie low calorie, and EXERCISE!! *grin, so thanks for weighing in....
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Monday, December 20, 2004 - 7:31 am
Konamouse - thank you for the clarification. I guess what I really meant was body fat - not BMI. I hope they show that percentage. How many weeks were they there? (prior to this season finale)
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Producerchic
Member
06-29-2004
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 8:00 pm
any spoilers for tonight? I had to tape TAR instead! please, please pretty please!
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 9:18 pm
I got bored with the recaps, was interacting with my family, and *gasp forgot to turn back! ugg
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 9:23 pm
THE Final is Jan 11 - so tonights eppi was all recaps!! Hah didnt miss anything, and TAR is a tbc, so I really didnt miss that either!! YEAH family, and TVCH!!
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 5:26 pm
I thought it was such a hoot that Bob was the one who succumbed to temptation the most!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 6:17 pm
I would think he is hyperinsulinemic as well I have read so many articles from all the big Diet Groups (Carb addicts, South Beach, Atkins Fit For Life etc) telling ordinary joes that their weight loss is being hindered by HIGH insulin levels. This is simply suggestion. No where have I found the scientific laboratory trials PROVING this. In a matter of fact, I have had Glucose Tolerant Testing. This is a test where you drink a horribly sweet drink (75 grams of sugar) and your blood level is tested hourly. My sugar level did NOT increase in the whole three hour period....I stayed below "fasting" level the whole time and also had a normal insulin level. In the USA it might be different but anyone who is thinking that they have a metabolic problem (low thyroid or high insulin level) be sure to REQUEST the test from your doctor before going on a diet PRESUMING that the info/ propaganda you have read about it is correct. **** I missed the last show. AS usual, Rebel Billionaire and Amazing Race is on all at the same time!! Geesh.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 8:09 pm
Biggest surprise of this episode: Lisa has friends. I thought the "Role Reversal" training session was a riot! Jillian looked like she was going to pass out. I'm surprised they got rid of Mo. I still don't understand the reasoning behind it. Considering he isn't a threat, why not keep him in the final three? I haven't watched the final 30 minutes yet, but I'm curious to see what happened when they got home.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 10:33 pm
Just watched the final 30 minutes. I had a feeling the finale was going to be live. And I was right. Next week should be interesting.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 9:35 am
I haven't watched this show but watched the first hour last night...why the heck was Mo still on there? At his weight he should have lost far more pounds than the other contestants and yet it seems he has just coasted along. That is incredible. He was undeserving, in my opinion. I'm sure he might be a nice guy but goodness!
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 9:47 am
I hear ya, Roxip. I had to laugh when the male trainer guy (whose name escapes me) said Mo was still there because he was a "master manipulator". LOL! Please! No one thought to vote out Mo because he wasn't seen as competition. That's it.
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 10:13 am
I like Mo. While he hasn't lost as fast as the others, perhaps, that is a good thing. I always thought a slow and steady weight loss was healthier, especially when it comes to stopping the skin from sagging?
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 12:49 pm
At Mo's size he is going to have skin sag - there simply isn't a way around it. You can't gain that much weight over a lifetime and not expect to have significant amounts of extra skin. Under these conditions, if he had been giving the competition his best efforts, he should have lost more weight. (Not that I agree that it is the healthiest thing to do.) These people are overseen by doctors and experts and are in a controlled environment...I sincerely hope if I was ever given the same opportunity (who can take 11 weeks off from their life by the way?) that I would take full advantage of it.
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Karuuna
Member
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 1:09 pm
I think it's hard to say why Mo hasn't lost more. Some people's genetics make it almost impossible for them to lose significant, no matter how hard they try. It may very well be that Mo falls in that category. The guy that lost 90 pounds, lost that in 3 months, which is far beyond most recommended weight loss programs. Mo lost 56 pounds, the second largest weight lose in the group over 3 months. The other two that were in the finals also lost in the low 50 range, so I think he's keeping on track well with the others.
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