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Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
But, that is what I have LOVED about this show. (and Idol) Is the 'contestants' have to have talent!!! They aren't their basically just for being sneaky or physically strong. I have loved watching the creative process. Yes, the snarky comments from Jay have been fun, but the drama I could do without.
I am frankly getting tired of the others for that reason.


Landi
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07-29-2002

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 11:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
if the producers wanted this show to be just about talent, they wouldn't have set up the premises that they have. they should have let the public vote on the clothing. the same thing happened after the first season with big brother. remove the public, control the show.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Why are you assuming that the public would be a better gage of the talent? (cause I compared it with Idol?) I love that they have industry people and they are judged on their outfits. I don't see any comparrison to Big Brother at all.

Landi
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07-29-2002

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 2:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
the comparison was that the very first season of big brother was decided by the public voting such as on american idol. this was removed after the first season of big brother.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL and I was comparing that you had to have talent!

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 2:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think it is a good comparison Landi. They do have the first obligation to make this something people will watch. Unless you can get the pure hype going that something like American Idol generates, having the public pick is something of a dud.

Wendy is a good villian, but it became so laughable after awhile how she continued to progress episode to episode when her outfits were so horrible. On the website there's a place where you can rate each out fit from the week and another where e-bay bidders actually bid on the outfits. Wendy was consistently below Jay, Kara, and Austin. So, IMO, the producers helped her, not the judges.

Jay is a fantastic example of someone who is both great TV and good enough to be F3.

I wonder if Wendy had been gone at the F4 to F3 elimination of the ratings would have dropped off for the finale? I guess we will never know...

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Heidi Klum sort of talked about Wendy getting into the F3 over Austin. She said "well, she did win that last competition, Austin didn't and the rules stated it was the loser of EACH competition was eliminated...." (they always stressed that in the show too..'you are only as good as your last design') I got the feeling that she wasn't all that impressed with Wendy's overall designs either. I do find it interesting that while she won two competitions, she was in the bottom 2 for almost all of the rest.

Lindy
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12-21-2004

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 3:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Tim said that Wendy was very good when she was basically told exactly what to do, ie. Banana Republic Comp. and the grammy comp. For the other competitions she was on her own and had no vision. I think if the other contestents had been able to vote none of the final three would have remained. Wendy for obvious reasons, but Jay and Kara because they are so strong. I don't think having "us" vote would have worked either, things just don't look the same on TV as they do in person.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 3:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just hope this will be a DIFFERENT Reality Show and the winner will come from pure talent.

By the way, it looks like there are some repeats just prior to the finale tonight; hopefully that includes the reunion show if anyone hasn't yet viewed that.

As for what Heidi Klum describes as the way things are.. spewing epithets like "cow!" etc..

"'Oh my god, look at her hair! She's fat! She's skinny! She looks like a cow! She had her lips blown up! She had her breasts done! She walks like a stork! Oh my God, what was she thinking?'

My reaction is.. what are YOU thinking, Heidi? She must have been a great model; I have no way of knowing. Or maybe she just was better at trash talking her way to the top? Certainly she is fairly wooden and repeitive as a "host" and shows no particular emotion as she bids the latest loser "auf weidersehn" {sp) and cheerily air kisses them on their way out..

Wouldn't it be nice if someone could succeed without that sort of thing? Kara initially wanted to help Wendy.. with her hair, etc., but later Wendy's actions brought out the claws in Kara, who was never exactly a milquetoast, but spoke her mind.

From an article I read today:

Maureen Ryan Chicago Tribune article

...

It's not surprising that the fashion-centric show has caught on with viewers. Not only will its finale arrive in the middle of Hollywood's awards season, when gowns and glamour are on the minds of many, but it also gives the TV audiences a fascinating peek into the design process, from rough sketches to pattern creation to late-night sewing-machine crises.

... producers went out of their way to avoid the usual reality cliches of hot tubs and hookups..

"At the end of the day, the clothes on the runway are judged," says "Runway" fan Stephanie Sack, ownere of the Chicago boutine Vive La Femme. "It's not about who said or did or drank what. The clothes are judged."

Just one more quote on Wendy from Tim: "Wendy only seemed to do well given very heavy-handed constraints," says Gunn. "When left on her own with very few parameters, she just floundered. She would overdesign and, given the time constraints, (her designs) couldn't be reeled back in time."

Trivia note: (on the Banana Republic competition that Wendy won) Though the judges raved about Jay's gown, Wendy's sweet dress and capelet combo won the challenge because it was easier to mass-produce.

There's much more in the article at that link.

Texannie, thanks for the reports! very interesting!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 3:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't want to be included in the "we" who don't watch reality shows without villains. BB I is still my favorite and there were no real villians there. I'm a sap who likes to watch people get along, or win based on a talent or a virtue..

Believe me, I'd be MUCH happier if I was talking about Jay, Kara and Austin!

Landi
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07-29-2002

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
actually i have never used the word "villains" in my posts. i don't even see wendy as such. my favorites have never been such either. i think i'm always rooting for the underdog. i was really rooting for austin. i loved his grammy dress, though i do believe it would have worked wonderfully on the oscar carpet on sunday.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
hmmm sea, doesnt "Dr Will" qualify?? ok, didnt he coin the phrase, or did we, Evil Dr Will? it seemed it was a "persona" that some reality people try and portray, but that's debatable,

I'm wondering about Wendy, I've heard it said o n the talk show circuit that she was into drama for the "tv exposure", she played up to the cameras, and she knew the audience for the designs, ie the banana republic dress... (The View, Today show...)

I actually didnt get involved enough to have a negative opinion of Wendy... I didnt care for Jay or Austin's designs, but they seemed to meet the fashion industry criteria, so I found it entertaining...

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 4:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
2.5 more hours!!!!!!!!!!!




Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 5:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
landi.. I said "villain" .. you said we love to hate the "bad person".. I don't see a huge difference, but I still don't want to be included in the "we".. I realize I may not be in the majority in general for reality watchers, but actually do think that I might be for this show. Either way I don't care if I'm majority or not.

I would have seen Wendy as an underdog early on but soon I just saw her as strident, conniving, and as she described in her interviews, all about strategy, getting others to give her ammunition which she could then use to stay in (for instance her interview when she went off on Vanessa in the laundromat).

And yes.. I found this whole season to be most entertaining!!

Ooop.. got to go work out so I can get back for what looks to be a full night of tube watching:

Still have today's Starting Over to watch, want to zoom thru Dr Phil.. trying to see audience clips because I'm going to go to a taping next week and they have a dress code), then Lost, Project Runway Finale, American Idol, Wife Swap..

Later!!

Reader.. qualify for what? Dr Will wasn't on BB season one and he definitely wasn't one of my favorites on the season he was on, so I'm not sure that he has any connection to my post.



Reader234
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08-13-2000

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 5:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I guess I mis understood you Sea, and I was just kidding around... like I said I watched and enjoyed the uniqueness of Runway, like you've stated they seemed to cast more for the talent first, then for 'characters' (tv drama?) but when you mentioned a 'bad' personna I intepreted it on Big brother as Will, but if you are talking that first inaugral season, the one lots of us loved because it wasnt "cast" for "types" no bad people... but later on, esp the season with Will, and Boogey (what was his name!! llol he was a bar person) they talked on the Reality of Reality on going after 'story lines'...

again, I probably just mis read your intent in your post... ooops, sorry!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sea, I am with you all the way. I am loving this show cause it's ALL about talent and am perfectly content to let the judges make the decision.
I have found it fascintating to hear their logic behind their decision.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, they really are setting up Wendy as the bad girl NOBODY likes, they arent trying to show her in a positive light... lol I was just thinking, there is not much positive to show! ooops!!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Funny, I was thinking that I really like her tonite! LOL If she had been this way the whole time, I would have pulled for her.
Didn't know Jay worked in the porn biz! LOL
I think Kara Saun just out smarted them with the shoes.......
bring on the runway!!!!!!

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 8:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i can not believe how bad kara saun is being tonight - what a way to dash that perfect image she supposedly had

Max
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08-12-2000

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 8:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
For me, the telling point for what Wendy is truly like was when Tom visited her home and she was showing him the painting her daughter had done. She said that her daughter had done it for the judges. At which point, the daughter piped up saying, "No, I did it that day that I was bored and you said I could paint." Wendy just laughed.

That moment showed me a lot about her character and competitiveness.

Max
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08-12-2000

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I"m SO happy for how it turned out!!!! I think there were high points in all the collections, even Wendy's (although overall, hers was the weakest, IMHO, in terms of originality). When a couple of Kara's models had to hold their dresses up to walk, that took away from the overall collection for me. But her designs are awesome and beaufiully done. Jay's stuff is so "out there" that it's totally original and unique. I look at his stuff and think MTV Music Awards or something.

Altogether, this was a great show!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 9:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
YIPPPPPPPEEEEEEEE!!!
First I have to say how struck I was with Wendy's outfits she has made for her clients..they were gorgeous. I don't know if that makes her a designer or a great tailor, but they were stunning.
My dh and I watched the runway show together and we both were stunned that Kara's dresses were too long. We had to admit that 'we' related to Wendy's collection the best (damn our suburban souls!), Kara's was the best made and Jay's was just out there.
But I am very happy with the ending.
I think both finalists will go far!!


What a great series!!!!!!!!!

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 9:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I liked Wendy's final dress the best of all. Her model, Melissa, looked just fabulous. If I had to pick a single outfit to win, it would be that one. However, Wendy's entire collection didn't hold up to that level.

I don't know who deserved it more, Jay or Kara. But I'm happy to let the judges judgement stand. Congrats to Jay!!

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 11:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
And as much as I hate to admit it, I liked some of Wendy's dresses, especially the one that Melissa wore - but then doesn't Melissa make everything look good? I just think Wendy's dresses are more suited to the D.C. scene then say to a Hollywood red carpet.

I loved the outfit by Karasan with the small red shrug. Someone should grab that for the Oscars next week!

And I really liked Jay's 'quilted' jacket. Great series all around! I'm glad I tuned in.

Penpoint
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03-27-2001

Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 12:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
We saw that even Kara Saun has human failings, that Wendy's insincerity is not unlike her mother's, that a basically nice guy can finish first, that the series showed people involved in an activity and the focus of most of their inter-actions stemmed from that activity, which was compelling to watch. This was a terrific show, and I'm looking forward to Project Runway 2.