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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Monday, February 07, 2005 - 8:10 am
I had to stop circling the Tivo guide entries because the picture was getting hard to see with all the black magic marker on it. The white out made it even worse.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, February 07, 2005 - 5:19 pm
LOL Bob
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, February 07, 2005 - 6:24 pm
I'm curious as how FOX will spin this one....hmm I have to chime in on the gay bar thing. I’m a straight female 46 married to a straight guy 48 but we have a few gay friends and I have a gay sister. I've go to "lesbian clubs" with her and for a short period of time a lot. My husband and I have a very close gay male friend that we've known since high school; my husband has known him since Cub Scouts (lol). We've hung out with him at gay bars and celebrated plenty of his birthdays there. Depending on if it's a hard core gay club they are just like any other club...hanging out and socializing. Now if you are straight and want to go to a club to "hook up" definitely go to a traditional straight club.
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Carlito
Member
03-26-2004
| Monday, February 07, 2005 - 7:13 pm
Julie and Jodied dont get me wrong or put me in the homophobic que,I dont think its right to force the straight male to attend because its a lifestyle choice he has already made.i dont think the show should force those type of changes on anyone.If he had agreed to investigate and it was his choice..no problem. I also have gay family members and friends who are gay but we respect each others boundaries.In the grand scheme of things today, its no big deal but,it is an underhanded way of disrespecting an individuals values and pushing another lifestyle into the mainstream through this medium of tv. I am totally against that.
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Ga_kristy
Member
02-04-2005
| Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 6:31 pm
Ive missed a few shows has it changed times or days?
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 8:40 pm
"can i have the $20?"
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 9:01 pm
This show was just painful to watch. I have words to express my displeasure at how the "straight mom" treated the gay couple, but the mods wouldn't like them. Let's just say that in my mind, taking the straight husband to the gay bar for dance lessons was one of the most respectful things I saw. The true irony of the situation is 30-40 years ago, "depraved" and "immoral" are the words that would have been used to describe her relationship with her husband. And it's isn't a "lifestyle," it's a life.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 9:09 pm
This was the most difficult WS to watch for me. The ugliness that spewed was off the charts. It's a big wide world...can't we all get a long. LOL
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 9:20 pm
Agree with Prisoner and Lil--it was painful to watch. The straight Mom was so closed-minded <el>. To suggest that the gay Mom was after her girls, was nauseating. LOL, though, the gay Mom who was forced to do yardwork, got her eyes opened!
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Justalittlebean
Member
08-15-2003
| Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 9:25 pm
I wonder what the straight Mom's minister thinks about how she treated the gay Mom. Didn't seem very Christian to me. 
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Hippyt
Member
06-15-2001
| Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 9:30 pm
Wow,I really don't know what to say. This was painful. I truly do not think I have seen someone so close-minded <el> on tv in the raw before. She brought the race into it,married to a rich white man,and she starts talking race. "Sexual Predator and Depraved?" <el>
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 10:53 pm
Is this on tonight? Ugh I'm not sure if I want to watch, or study for my Bio exam. Both seem equally unappealing. I thought it was on on Saturday?
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 11:07 pm
I have no good words to say about the straight mom so I guess I'll go by the the old standard of "if you don't have something nice, don't say anything at all." That woman should be ashamed of herself. My heart broke for the gay mom and what the str8 mom said to her. I can't believe the husband just sat there and kept his mouth shut. What I found unappealing even before she did the "grand finale" was how much they "loved their stuff!" Hmmmm.... I always thought good Christians were more concerned about things "not of this world". It just seemed so hypocritical to go on and on about them being such good Christians and then in the next breath, bragging about all of their "things." And yes, it IS a LIFE - not a lifestyle! Uggh. I think the only "good thing" about showing this episode is opening peoples' eyes at the real prejudice which is out there for gay folks and just how ignorant some people can be.
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Annie
Member
11-10-2004
| Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 11:46 pm
Agreed, this was painful to watch. Str8 mom showing her bling bling was nauseating. Did she love her hubby because he bought her nine carat rings, or does she love him for who he is? Kudo's to the Lesbian mom's, at least they were willing to change a few things, ie princess day for Lizzie. I think str8 dad showed what kind of man he was, sitting quietly and letting his wife do ALL the talking, I thought Christian women were submissive to their husbands? They are like most pseudo-christians, when it suits your agenda, the Lord is on my side. Weren't the children praying to "prosper"? I'd rather have the Lesbian moms for neighbors than the Christians, I'd be more afraid of str8 mom coming after my children w/ HER convictions.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 1:12 am
And it's isn't a "lifestyle," it's a life It is a lifestyle choice, actually a SEXUAL lifestyle choice, in my opinion. Just as a man may prefer redheads or a woman may prefer a very tall man, these two women PREFER other women at this time in their lives. It is a 'sexual' choice or the one woman wouldnt have had a child FROM a man. She preferred men, now prefers a woman. Its Her choice and I respect anyone's choice for their 'lifestyle'. I try hard not to be judgemental. I didnt find this show painful. I found it downright upsetting. A PG movie with strong sexual situations and extreme language warnings is NOT an acceptable movie for a 7 yr old!! And supposedly she had a TV and a bunch of nonchild type movies in her room. What were these women thinking?? I truly believe that this was the poorly worded point that the Christian woman was making was trying to make about an immoral household and child predators. Or do you guys let your young children watch extreme violence and softcore porn? Many sexual warning movies have softcore type scenes...often between people having a fling (which is also considered immoral) It is a form of brainwashing to oversexualize children by showing them stuff way beyond their years. My rant is over. I cried with the gay mom when the Christian lady was being so brutal with her words. I wanted to hear her response when her husband told her that he'd been to a gaybar. Wonder why we didnt get to see him tell her??
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 3:22 am
quote:It is a 'sexual' choice or the one woman wouldnt have had a child FROM a man. She preferred men, now prefers a woman.
I have to disagree. Many children are born from relationships of gay people trying to "fit in" and "be normal." They try the heterosexual lifestyle because it is expected of them. They battle and deny their own feelings and marry/have relations with the opposite sex because that is what society demands of them. Then there are those who finally give in to their feelings and accept the gay lifestyle because that is who/what they are. I have firsthand knowledge within my own family of this type of experience. I agree with everyone else on the comments of the narrow mindedness of the straight mom. She was really something else. However, I do want to say just one thing in her defense. I think she was also a victim of editing (in at least one instance). When she was arguing with the other lesbian mom and said, "you can pretend to not be gay" and the other mom cut in and said, "how can you suggest I pretend to not be what I am?" Now, I totally agree with lesbian mom that she should NOT pretend to "not be gay." But I think that argument was fiercely edited. I have the impression that the lesbian mom was trying to compare the bigotry against gays today with the bigotry of Blacks in the 60's and such. I think the straight Mom was cut off, cause I think her full sentence was going to be, "you can pretend to not be gay, but I can't pretend to not be Black." That's a very true and valid point, and I think its a shame it was edited like it was, cause it looked like the producers just wanted to make it look like she was just plain suggesting the lesbian mom should just plain pretend she wasn't gay. However, I also think the lesbian mom had a point that, 40 or more years ago, it was probably thought as "abhorrent" that two different races would be able to marry. I think that was the point she was trying to make.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 3:32 am
because that is what society demands of them. So you agree with me. They MADE a CHOICE and they preferred to marry and have relations with a man then later a woman. Many fell deeply in love with the spouse but still felt like something was missing. Many gays/ lesbians are BI-sexuals technically. ** I agree that argument was highly edited. If I recall correctly, the christian woman was stating that the woman was being treated in a certain manner because she would immediately declare herself as a Lesbian, even when not applicable. So the christian woman asked.....Why not just say nothing? Just pretend you arent gay. That is when the other lady went completely Off. There is no defence for the Christian woman's behaviour...but this trade of positions would be very hard for a strong christian to make. It would be very difficult to not try to discuss and ask the others to see your view. It was an unpleasant show. I hope the producers dont do more like it.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 3:42 am
Well, not really Sunshyne. I can't say I agree. I don't see how basically being bullied, pressured and shamed into living a life style society demands of you can be called doing something you prefer. But then, I guess we just see things a bit differently in that respect. And I'm guessing being bi-sexual is still a bit different than being gay. But I won't profess personal knowledge in that regard.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 5:33 am
I prefer vanilla ice cream to chocolate, but I enjoy both. Therefore, vanilla is my preference. "preference" denotes a choice. If anyone thinks their sexual orientation is a "preference", they should just ask themselves one question. Could I choose to be with someone of my own sex? For me, the answer is no. Being with men is not a choice for me, its just who I am. I'm lucky, who I am sexually is socially acceptable. I believe gay people are just like me, in that, they are who they are sexually and they didn't "choose" it. Unfortunately who they are is still considered socially unacceptable by many. I'm more put off by the so called "christian" on this show. The things people do in the name of our Lord just embarrasses me. I know God is somewhere going, "PLEASE!!! Leave ME outta this!!!"
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 5:55 am
Why the heck would anyone *choose* to subject themselves to the bigotry demonstrated by people like that woman? Being gay isn't just about sex, either, so to compare it to "preferring redheads" is ludicrous. I don't think the woman's comment about protecting her daughter from an immoral environment had anything to do with a few PG-13 movies that weren't even in her house. If it did, then why wasn't she concerned about her son, who didn't look to be that much older? Her comments to her daughter about how it was like with "that woman" and asking "wasn't it weird" spoke to that. Who, I agree with your point about the editing or the argument...but to me that made her look hypocritical. You don't have to go back 40 years to find people who would call her marriage abhorrent, since they are still around today. It's just that 40 years ago, it would have been illegal, just as gay marriage is today.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 7:12 am
Was it actually illegal for a black person to marry a white person before 1967? That blows my mind...
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 7:29 am
Holy cow! This board just goes to show how opinions/beliefs differ. I agree that preferring vanilla over chocolate and deciding to eat vanilla IS a choice. If anyone has close gay friends, very few will tell you they've had an easy road to even accept themselves as gay, let alone what the rest of the world thinks of them. I've known far too many people who have thought suicide was a better option than having to live as gay and be despised by so many people. Thank goodness most of them didn't go through with it, but they were that desperate. Unfortunately, I do know of families where their kids did commit suicide because their families couldn't accept them and now they have terrible regret. Gay people marry for many reasons - to avoid the societal pain, the belief if they pray hard enough and try hard enough their "gayness" will go away. When it doesn't, that's when suicidal thoughts tend to come in. Yes, a gay person can pretend not to be gay if they choose to do so.. that's a choice, NOT being gay and being attracted to and loving who they love. They can choose not to live a lie pretending to be straight, but they can't choose how they are made. I never chose being str8. It's just happened! The point the gay mom was trying to make was that she doesn't have the same LEGAL rights in a gay relationship as she would if she were allowed to marry. I don't think the point was about skin color or orientation. Black people did not have many LEGAL rights for far too long. I know people have different opinions in regard to comparing the prejudice toward gay people to what black people have experienced, but I spent time with black activists who were with MLK who do. In fact Corretta Scott King and their daughter Yolanda, feel it is comparable and I have been at a demonstration which Ms. King participated in which was for gay rights. I do agree my kids would not have been watching PG-13 movies at the age Lizzie is. My oldest used to complain she was the only kid in 5th or 6th grade who could only see PG and G movies. Now that they're all "legal" to watch R movies, I find it rather uncomfortable and embarrassing if something too sexual is shown in a movie and I've even told my youngest to leave the room and he's 17. Just because it's legal for him to see it, doesn't mean I have to let him or sit and watch it with him. A couple final thoughts - I doubt many black people will be disowned by their family because they have black skin, but there sure are a lot of gay people whose families have disowned them. Now being black and gay is a whole different story! Also the str8 mom saying that the little girl being raised by gay parents would be more likely to grow up in an unnatual "bent" (gay) or be promisuous was just ridiculous. How come most gay people come from str8 parents if that's the case?! How come there's so many promiscuous str8 people who were raised by str8 parents? arrrgh..I just find it all so frustrating. ETA - Yes Julie - inter-racial marriage WAS illegal.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 7:37 am
Good points watching.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 7:59 am
Pure, undistilled God-sanctified Christian hatred on prime time television. Huh! <spins head backwards> Sure hope it was the editing, but ... Oh! And how about the hypocrisy of accusing the lesbians of just "shacking up" while opposing gay marriage? Huh?
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 8:09 am
This show just made me sad on so many levels. Sad for the bigotry. Sad for the unwillingness to see the irony. Sad that a Christian was so unloving. Sad that once again, they find an unloving Christian. Sad for all the children involved.
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