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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 9:09 am
I’m one of those who didn’t care who won between Kelly and Jen. Actually I wouldn’t have cared who won out of the entire bunch. None of these people had the “it” quality. Raj was good fodder for about 30 seconds. Stacy’s ouster because of her teammates psychological evaluation left a bitter taste in my mouth. And the overall cattiness was a bit much. Last year I had Troy to root for the entire time and when he left I was ok with either Kwame or Bill winning. Last year everything was new so that is probably why I enjoyed every episode plus there was TROY! My perception of Jen was poor from the start. I felt she was the type of leader/boss that would keep things very cold and distant at all times and that she would be the first to blame others for her mistakes. And definitely not the type of personality I’d like to work with 40 hrs a week. Basically she came across at least to me as cold, unfriendly and ready to place blame. I’m somewhat biased about Kelly because I know someone that went to school with him and they basically said he’s an <QT>. Besides that he to me he seemed to try to play the Bill R. role this season but he didn’t even come close. It’s always better to cut your own path. But I guess he did something right because he won. On the upside I’m very interested in Book Smart vs. Street Smart. It sounds like the teams will be constant and not much changing up the teams (at least for most of the show). It’ll be more of the us vs. them mentality …I hope there will be less obnoxious “in fighting” and more cut throat against the opposing team. I think the street smart people will feel they have something to prove which makes the potential for better reality TV than this season. And the book smart people will be over confident and espouse their brilliance, which can provide hours of chuckling. I am so glad this season is over and if I had to do it again I probably would have passed on this past set of contestants.
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Carlito
Member
03-26-2004
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 9:12 am
Tabby the guy who faltered was Trumps Chief Operations Officer. How did he pass his interview? That was so indicative of the double standard in corporate today. Jenn will be on the Tony Danza show in a few minutes.I hope she stays positive and tells the truth about the popularity contest this season. I dont know about the rest of you but i am so tired of it and how it takes the challenge and reward out of competition. These shows definately send the wrong message. Peace to all.
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Carlito
Member
03-26-2004
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 9:17 am
PS...Ditto Lil. I'm going to give the next season a few episodes to see if i will watch the season. I still dont think Trump will choose someone without an education.This group of street smarts vs education will be strictly for TV ratings.
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 10:18 am
DT got a percentage on A2. He could afford to pretend to hire Kelly & keep him busy getting coffee. After all, the prize is 1/4 of Survivor.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 10:37 am
I wish Troy would have said something about his college - did he take up Trumps offer and enroll? So glad Omarosa didn't chime up when people were being asked who they thought should be hired - we kept expecting her to stand and speak - konashark figured her attorney told her to keep her mouth shut. But after reading some of these posts, it must have been in the script for her to speak later in the show. Where was Bradford? 'squeek'
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 11:13 am
Good point, Vsmart, LOL. Not much expense in just shoving them into an empty apartment of Trump's, compared to the Survivor setup, either.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 11:56 am
My take on Trump's CFO was that he got major stage fright. When Regis moved on he was sitting down almost in the "head between your knees" position for fainting. Not all of us (brilliant included) can handle live TV. Kelly - I am impressed by his credentials and his intelligence, but not enough to make me think he will shine as the apprentice. And for Jen - She, I am sure is an excellent attorney, but for the corporate world she will need to tone down the argumentative behavior. Way too much in your face. When George took her to task for the areas he felt she erred in, she instantly jumped to the defensive and sparred with George - Kelly on the other hand admitted his error, which impressed me. All in all... I think it was a choice between mediocrities.
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Slimc21
Member
11-17-2004
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 12:00 pm
The show was too long...agreed. In these reunion shows, why can't we hear more from the people who were on the show and why all the long recaps and just a few answers....same thing always happens on Survivor....We just would like to hear from each one...is that too much to ask? Too much Regis...I'd rather it had been hosted by Kelly Rippa!
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 12:13 pm
Terolyn, Just for sake of argument, why should Jen admit to errors if she feels she did not make any? She was defending her decisions/actions. Kelly could come across as a yes man with no spine if every time you say you think he did something wrong, he says OK and does it your way. Dalm.
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Gen
Member
08-22-2003
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 12:36 pm
Terolyn, I agree with you! Frankly, I wasn't rooting for anyone, unlike last year. Then Troy would have been my choice. I think Kelly was lesser of two evils. If I had to, I could work with or for Kelly. Jen's attitude and behavior totally turned me off. What the Donald called debates was to me shouting matches, not debates. She never listened to the person she was arguing with, instead she tried to overwhelm them with loud, self serving rhetoric. Her praise of her credentials was way over the line. To me, she was just to self centered and thought she was always right. There is no way I would want to work with her or for her.
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Mssilhouette
Member
07-11-2001
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 12:42 pm
OMG It's finally over! The farce has ended! I would like to say “We love you and you’re great!...But “you’re fired!” I, having not much else to do (well I could have downloaded all the updates for my new comp, but I was feeling sluggish and lazy) watched the entire 180 minute Apprentice 2 FINALE. Oh so many things that went wrong...where do I begin... So Survivor the popular Burnett brand gets a 2 hour Finale and the new kid on the block gets a 3 hour Finale? I don’t know about you but someone needs to be forced to sit through a loop of Jen’s final boardroom speech for thinking up that idea. Who thought that a 12 minute recap (yes that’s how long it was before they even started the intro song) was the best way to go? This was supposed to be a FINALE not a Cliff Notes version of the entire season. Who also thought it was a good idea bring on Regis for the reunion portion? WTF!! Was Trump tired of hearing his own flat uninspiring monotone voice? It seemed as if even Regis was bored and wondering why he was there. So after the recap we’re delighted by the obviously set up tension on the final tasks. Jen & Basketball A basketball player calls out at the last minute on a charity event he knows is going to be on a reality tv show...Yeah his PR people would have allowed that happen. C’mon now. Then mysteriously power putters out for the Xbox sponsor...just as the basketball players arrive and sit down to enjoy a pre game game....*gasp* what will they do?...Oh please! Even the woman who was the facilities manager, smirked when asked to supply generators...because even she knows that’s a no-brainer considering the type of event they had going. And so it’s that easy to get someone to bring two large generators at a moment’s notice? Really? One might think they just brought them up from the storage area. Jen being her usual defensive self, snipes at the Xbox guy about not arguing with her....after she had to ask the guy what he wanted her to do about the situation. Duh! Go get some power woman! Just a clue, he’s adding in his money help the event you’re organizing. It would have been a good idea to make a call in front of him and let him know “I’m taking care of that right now...this is unacceptable.” But then maybe she should have shown her resume to him, and let him know she had plenty of awards that said she would have the matter under control. “I’m a Harvard & Princeton graduate for chrissake! Be gone! Don’t bother me with your trivialities.” Or at the least shown some humor and in her best Capt Kirk impression screamed for more power from Scotty...Oh wait I forgot, they left that chip out in the fembot factory. On a side note: Is it really cute for a mature career woman to saunter across a basketball court wearing low rise jeans and a tied tee shirt to hand a mic to someone at a charity event? We’re we at a baskeball game or a boxing match? Obviously Pam wears those type of clothes all the time from the way she kept hoisting her pants up. Then I was treated to Emperor Trump’s entrance in his private whirly bird to the thrill of neighborhood kids who mob him as he throws out money at them while whisking by on his electric chariot. Was this was supposed to show us something about Trump but I can’t really figure out what it was? His charitable nature, his love of kids? His need to milk a moment? His scrooge like transformation? I dunno but whatever it was trying to say, I was just annoyed. So after Trump enters watches the game and schmoozes with the VIP who he’s asked to be there in the first place. Trump acts a kid who needs someone to say goodbye to him....”No one said goodbye to me!” I thought he was just there to just oversee what the contestants were doing. What they don’t kiss his rump enough during the show they have to kiss it while they’re in the middle of doing a thousand other things. Now he knew he wasn’t going to stay so that whole deal about him not being brought to the VIP area or having a send off was crap. He was not the main event, the charity and sponsor were. Look we all knew Jen wasn’t going to win but at least make the attempt to make us believe she might have had a shot...More about the Kelly stroke-fest later on... Kelly on the Greens Ahh the beauty of a Polo match. I remember the last time I saw one...In that movie Pretty Woman....Julia Roberts, big hat, brown dress with pola dots. Lots of snooty people who didn’t know how to treat a prostitute! I mean she had on expensive clothing, wasn’t that enough...meanies...ahem but I’m drifting.... Poor Super-Apprentice Kelly stuck with crappy sidekicks “Comic Relief-Rants a plenty” Raj and “Dictator” Girl and “Who’s That Guy?” Guy. What’s West Point grad to do? Sit there and look like a lost puppy mostly. Wow that leadership quality is really standing out now. I like how he sat there while Comic Relief and Dictator Girl were debating about who should pick up a sign. See the steely calm of a born leader, see how his head gracefully pivots back and forth like he’s watching a tennis match? See how he mediates a nothing situation, because after that scene we never heard anything about what happened with the sign. A simple “Stop the BS and get back to work” would have done. But I’m not a West Point grad with my own business so what do I know. Speaking of nothing happening, so do we have to wait for the DVD set of Season II to find out if Super-Apprentice and Dictator Girl made it to the Kinko’s? I’m all on edge about it...I mean they were just driving...in the dark...in Connecticut....Oh the horror!. But what’s this? Super-Apprentice has angered the gods! Rain has dampened his assured victory! What’s a future Trump bootlicker to do?! See how he rubs his brow in frustration and checks his laptop, groans and paces. Ahh, my friends, this is someone who knows how to do nothing with that certain leadership charm. Take notes, we’re watching a master in action...err inaction. See how he takes a chance and goes without a backup plan. But hey that’s okay Super Apprentice, you have Tony Bennet to help you out of a jam....Who’s going to want to leave the match if it’s rained out when there’s a major celeb performing. Oh you lucky leader you! If only those fools at the Polo club knew how to check a weather report! This drama could have been avoided, but we can’t have that now. I know Super-Apprentice was too busy measuring the width of a spreadsheet column to think about such minor details. Of course this must have been the first time ever that the sponsor of a charity event wanted their logo garishly painted on the polo field. I could tell it must have been the first time because of the way the director rushed on to the grounds after the painters started what looked like about 20 minuets of work on the ‘W’ in Wisk. From the perturbed look on the club manager’s face that said “Hey that wasn’t in the script! They weren’t really supposed to start panting on the grass” He couldn’t have had any knowledge beforehand that someone would be painting on the grounds,. So the big star/compass logo of the main sponsor (what the heck that company’s name) on the middle of the field isn’t a distraction for the pretty ponies but the big bright Wisk might cause a problem?...Um okay, I’m sure while this might be true. It smelled like a set up . Now was it me or didn’t they go over the field painting when the Kelly team first got there? If so, why wouldn’t the manager ask if there were any other painting to be done and offer up the best places to put it? Oh Super-Apprentice you narrowly avoided that potential disaster...what else can the producers come up with for you.... Holy Crap Batman...err Kelly! The bathroom’s a mess and the lounge/suite has been infested with food and ants. What will you do?! Of course!...You and your sidekicks break out your plungers....Well trash bags and paper towels and get to cleaning. Now that’s CEO material, if I ever saw it. He leads and can clean...I wonder if he does windows. Super-Apprentice what a guy! This begs the question, what kind of “foo-foo shee-shee” (read: upscale) polo club has a restroom cleanup problem with no maintenance crew? But it matters not, it all just a normal day for Super-Apprentice. Wow this post is long. I’ll have to come back for my comments about the finale fiasco at Lincoln center. I need to organize my thoughts and stifle my gag reflex...I’ll be back!
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 1:39 pm
why should Jen admit to errors if she feels she did not make any? She was defending her decisions/actions. I would not have an issue if in fact she was defending her actions, it appeared argumentative and abrasive. Had she waited until George finished his critique and then explained that she had in fact spent alot of time with the sponsors etc it would have come across much better. I am in no way saying that Jen is not intelligent but I do feel that she typically responds when challenged or questioned in a agressive manner which in my experience tends to discredit oneself. I personally would not want to work with or for either of them, but if I had to choose I would rather work with Kelly than Jen - not because he would be better qualified, but because of Jen's agressive nature. Works great as a attorney, but not to often in the boardroom.
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 2:00 pm
Speaking of the snooty-millionaire-fest called the polo match, anyone else notice the paltry 21,000 in donations received from the guests. As for Jen, don't get me wrong, I do not think she is perfect. However, she had nothing to lose. The cards were stacked against her. Might as well throw every possible argument out there and see what sticks. I am on the "This season blew" bandwagon. Dalm.
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Lumbele
Member
07-12-2002
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 2:06 pm
Thank you, spoilers!!! Reading this thread was a lot less painful than trying to watch that 3 hour Trump commercial, bad one at that. Just couldn't stick it out. Peeked in a couple of times to find out who won, just never was able to stomach whatever kitsch, Trump-stroking or Jenn put-downs happened to be on at the time. Hopefully the street against book crews will revive this show gone lame or I'll have to find something else to watch instead.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 2:20 pm
I am on the "This season blew" bandwagon. I spent most of my "Apprentice Time" doing crossword puzzles. I must admit Jen has hootzpah(?) I would have either a) been in tears or b) been to depressed/embarrassed to argue after all the Kelly loving ended.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 2:25 pm
That’s a pretty entertaining recap Mssilhouette! I was pretty disappointed with the show all season. I just didn’t see how the candidates represented the brightest and the best. The way that they handled the projects and the immature way that they interacted was very poor. I was also somewhat surprised at the lack of support that Kelly received from the guys during the last project. It’s all very well to be disgruntled (I don’t think that I can use the word I really want to use here), but demonstrating your poor sportsmanship and disinterest in front of numerous potential employers on TV probably wasn't in their best interest. I know I wouldn’t want to hire them. As far as Kelly winning, I guess he was the best of a rather poor lot and I would have hired him over Jen as he showed much more business experience. If you want a great lawyer who will argue with you all the time over every little point then I guess that Jen would be your kind of employee. Having said that, I couldn’t help but feel that the finale with all the praise for Kelly and the criticism of Jen was rather tacky. It was so bad that I thought that it was a lead-up to a surprise ending with Trump picking Jen despite all of the other comments. I did enjoy the show though (I didn’t watch the first season) and I’m looking forward to next season.
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 2:38 pm
I taped this and have yet to watch it, I'm saying thank goodness for fast forward. Lol Misssilhouette. Of the bits that I saw when flipping in, was there really a million applications and this is what we got for people? Or was that a Trump exaggeration? And did they say there would be a season three starting in January? or did I mishear?
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 3:35 pm
Jasper, don't know about the million applications. Wouldn't surprise me if it was an exaggeration. As to Season 3, yes, starts in January. It has already been filmed. Re: Picking between Kelly and Jen. IMO, both were qualified to become the apprentice. Both exhibited different skills and qualities. However, I keep coming back to a thought my sister said to me. With Jen, things that were done that shouldn't have been done can be corrected through teaching and experience. Also, abrasiveness can be brought down as well. With Kelly, you can't teach passion. One either has it, or doesn't. Without passion how can one inspire those working for him? Anyway, my earlier thoughts would've been the same if the Kelly were the one being run over and Jen being praised. IMO, despite what one thinks of Jen or Kelly, neither one of them deserved to be treated as Jen was. It was completely unprofessional. Boy, I really disliked this finale. (Nor did I think the whole season was that great either.)
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Lauramydel
Member
12-14-2004
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 3:43 pm
I didn't care for the finale either. As it was playing out, all I could say was how anticlimatic. I didn't like the way they did it. It was much better last year. I thought it was scripted and done badly at that. I took forever for him to make the decision that I already knew he would make and then I didn't bother watching the rest and went to bed!
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Gen
Member
08-22-2003
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 4:10 pm
It looks like the members of this forum aren't the only ones that didn't care for the finale of this season of Apprentice. I think this is probably a reflection on the whole season. From 8-11 p.m., "Apprentice 2" averaged 17 million viewers and 7.8 rating/21 share in the adults 18-49 demographic, according to preliminary estimates from Nielsen Media Research. In contrast, the two-hour finale of the first "Apprentice" series averaged 28 million viewers and 13.6/34 in adults 18-49. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=televisionNews&storyID=7128690
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Thiry18
Member
09-18-2004
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 4:38 pm
kona- i'm from boise and troy is always on the news.he has said that he still hasn't decided on a college, but everyone here is hoping it's boise state!!
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Babyboo
Member
06-16-2003
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 6:06 pm
I was rooting for Kelly, he's a smart guy, the only thing Jen done on the show was get on evryones nerves.
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Penguinchic
Member
11-05-2003
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:13 pm
I didn't like the season. But, got to say, I thought it was a great lesson in how not to act in the business world. Probably everyone did it, but I was always turned off by how the women showed no respect to DT, George and Caroline, and the others. I was raised to have respect for your boss and others who you report to. Of course, I also tell my mother that by teaching me to be polite she handicapped me in the business world (and she agrees with me.) This is what I saw in the show - everything I think is bad about Corporate America.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:18 pm
Not about THIS Apprentice, but there was an article in the paper (or was it TV Guide?) recently about Bill Rancic. Apparently, he's not really a CEO of much of anything. He's basically SELLING units in the Chicago building. Although he's doing well, he's NOT managing anything, really. And Trump seemed to imply Rancic is not long for Trump-World. Although he also said he thought his apprenticeship would be the stepping stone to making "millions and billions" it sounded like both of 'em (Trump and Rancic) were less than enamoured with what's going on lately in Chicago. LOL.
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:22 pm
Costacat, Like I said above, Trump would never really trust his apprentice with anything important. I am so jaded. Boo hoo. I guess I have to go back to thinking Survivor only films the challenges once. LOL. Dalm.
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