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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 2:25 am
Curlyq said, <<It's so frustrating that the two people who were fired were both fired for reasons Trump should've been aware of before they were cast. Why waste everyone's time putting them in the contest if they never had a chance? Did he think their resumes would magically transform into something different after a few weeks of competing?>> You took the words right out of my mouth. It stinks, IMO, to bring people on who he knows the public will like...only to know from the outset that he will not hire them. Hmmm...now look who he is stuck with! Troy could have mopped the floor with Kelly and Jen. He knew how to talk to people, how to inspire his team, and (ahem) he was so sweet he gave me a mouthful of cavities.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 2:33 am
Also, what was up with that one executive stating his intensity was almost aggressive? You tell me what he meant.Was it the aggressive Black male syndrome or what? ummmm, I dont think it was meant to be racist. I have noticed that Kevin rarely was verbal with people, he chose to quietly sit back and observe. When he DID stand up for his views a few times I noticed he'd lean forward and bug his eyes out abit. Kevin would also speak quickly and bluntly. That often is taken as aggressive. ****** How sad for Sandy and Kevin to make it this far when it seems they didnt have a chance. ****** Pamy is right. Kelly has this game in the bag!!! DT pretty well said so before they were even out of the boardroom. Mind you, I think that Jen doesnt have a chance after being given such a crappy task. OH COME ON!! these two tasks are no where NEAR equal in status. A charity basketball game(with ONE celebrity MC) to be arranged at a very PLAIN BB court........compared to a wellknown fancy Polo competition at a countryclub with an amazing clubhouse?? Kelly has been set up to win. This is comparable to Bill winning at the golfcourse last year. When the biggest crisis is Rain (or last year Frost) we know that the comp is easy in comparison to the other. Just my opinion. We shall see
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Geri
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 4:54 am
I really disliked the way DT set up Jen and Sandy for the catfight after telling them that Kelly pretty much has it in the bag. Then, to spend so much time on the fight was not a banner moment for women acting professionally. Sure everyone works with people that they don't like but, national tv exposure excepted, none of these people will be working together after this one task so there is no incentive for the teams to work their butts off. It's not like having to return to your office and explain to your boss what went wrong on a project. This year's people are so much more self-centered than last year's. If I remember correctly, only Omarosa tried any sabotage, the others really wanted their team to win. Then again, last year's finalists were more likeable.
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Newman
Member
09-25-2004
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 6:40 am
I agree with Geri. No time to read the other posts, yet... 1. What's the incentive for the worker bees? That the Donald might notice them and hire them? Pretty weak. 2. I am very tired of the cat fighting. Two women screaming at each other seemed so shrill and unprofessional. Is that what it's really like in a boardroom? Who would want that? Does the one who yells the loudest win? 3. What was Trump's reason for firing Kevin first? Made no sense. Trump doesn't look like a genius to me. Just someone who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and got lucky with his nestegg and investments. Why fire Kevin? Why fire Bradford? Why bring back little Stacy who nobody liked??
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Bigsister
Member
09-02-2001
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 8:19 am
I was completely turned off by the big catfight. What were those women thinking? They were finalists in probably the most important competition of their lives, being judged for their fitness for a very important job and viewed by millions. And they launch into a loud, shrill catfight! In my opinion, they both demonstrated that they were totally unfit for the high-pressure corporate job they were vieing for. It seems to me the only viable course for Trump would have been to fire them both on the spot.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 8:20 am
Why bother to watch the 3 hour finale next week? Trump has already told us the winner ....
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 8:28 am
Excellent point Lady!!!
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 9:51 am
Once again, Jen is shirking responsibility and I'm so glad they let us see that George saw it and the NBA asked about it. Isn't Jen in corporate law? If so, she needs to switch to litigation. She is very good at arguing and could probably hold up pretty well in court. Having said that and having worked in the legal field for 25 years, I know some litigators who could rip her apart. I can't remember from last season, but will they be able to argue their positions next week? I hope so. I'd love to see her and Kelly go at it.
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Slimc21
Member
11-17-2004
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 10:09 am
That could mean that the winner might be Jen. It suprises me that they didn't edit that out. I agree with curlyq on the point that Trump was determined to have male vs. female this time.
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Fabnsab
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 10:19 am
As far as the catfight goes, at this point I would do it too because DT has showed that he likes it and will usually choose the "winner" to go on. My problem is with DT, himself. How could he let two professionals do that in front of him and insult eachothers intelligence while he eggs them on? He should be appalled by their behavior and kick them both out. Instead, he is a few moments short of ordering up some jello for them to wrestle in... Some stated above how Raj should realize his behavior might hurt him in the real business world. I don't think he cares because I think he is setting his sights on Hollywood and he feels he has to continue this persona he has created for that purpose.
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 11:17 am
Hi, again, Fab. I, too, think DT enjoys the catfighting, but I think, at least on this one, he gained a lot of insight into Jen and may have made his decision based on what he learned during that fight. He was obviously impressed with her comments about researching his empire and being able to tell him how many employees he has. I was confused about Raj. First, he makes a comment about not caring if Kelly wins the task, but that's its important for himself to win, and then he's playing on the polo field. IMO, that was time that could have been spent marking off the field for the logo and, depending on how much time was wasted playing and how long it was before it starting raining. I have no idea how long something like that would take. I want to see someone get fired by the PM during the task. Did anyone else notice that Stacy hardly said a word?
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 11:48 am
Newman, My take on your rhetorical questions. 1. What's the incentive for the worker bees? That the Donald might notice them and hire them? Pretty weak. Or maybe because when some of them agree to do a job, regardless who the point person is, they want to do well for no other reason than to be professional. 2. I am very tired of the cat fighting. Two women screaming at each other seemed so shrill and unprofessional. Is that what it's really like in a boardroom? Who would want that? Does the one who yells the loudest win? I’ve been at many board of directors meeting and other meetings when details are hashed out and yes I have witnessed many outbursts and serious yelling to get a point across. Never by women always men. 3. What was Trump's reason for firing Kevin first? Made no sense. Trump doesn't look like a genius to me. Just someone who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and got lucky with his nestegg and investments. Why fire Kevin? Why fire Bradford? Why bring back little Stacy who nobody liked?? Hmmm I thought Trump came from a middleclass background, I could be wrong. I think Bradford made a stupid mistake. Don’t give away a sure thing in business or any part of life. Just dumb. He deserved to be fired because of his impulsiveness and willingness to put himself in a weakened position. Kevin had no real experience except for his education and even in his education he was all over the board. I’m not sure if that is true, but that is what I gathered from the show. His being fired first like all things on this show was done for the “effect” . It gave Jen and Stacy a chance to go at it again. I bet Trump hopes that Stacy “acts up” or causes trouble. She seemed a bit miffed at being fired and has a mouth on her. I’m guessing she was picked for the drama she could bring to the table.
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Lauram
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 2:16 pm
There is no way Jen will win. Trump has already said on a few occasions that she was under the radar and suggested that she should have been brought into the boardroom more often cuz he would have fired her. Now he wouldmn't hire someone with whom he has said such remarks. Now if Kelly were to really screw up on this final task, Trump would have had his comments on Jen edited so that his apprentice didn't have his dispariging remarks all over.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 3:18 pm
You never know, what if DT does like Jen for those very reasons? Its a live show, there seems to be tickets given away to be at the live final, because last year the venue was too small, so I agree that it was a weird season as far as firings go, that Ivana and Jen both should've been fired earlier on, but they werent... and if DT knows the final 2, what if he structures the projects for the two finalists? Is there a place in his organization for Jen? I have no idea, but it will be interesting to see what the projects are they get to choose to apprentice to... I agree she was under the radar, and she used her sexuality to stay out of the board room, and to get ahead at the Levi corp., but that seems to be the way the real world works at times too... you never know...
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 3:28 pm
I think it interesting how out of over 1,000,000 applications, it just happens the best 18 are pretty dent looking people--young, attractive, and in most cases physically fit looking. You'd think out of 1,000,000, there would be some very qualified people that were 30 or above, balding, out of proportion, etc. I too think he has made it clear Kelly has own. Heck, if he fails because it gets rained out--well, even DT can't control the weather. I also think DT seems a lot of himself in Kelly--and there isn't anyone who impresses DT more than DT himself. As those other executives pointed out, for the job DT is looking for, Kelly has the best set of attributes. More so in the actual hands on world--although I think DT puts more stock in what a person has actually done than in their degrees when push comes to shove. Kelly's biggest hump to be successful in this task is the weather. Jen will have to deal with temperamental professional athletes and people who worry about the chairs they will be sitting in. You can't make every rump happy.
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Heyltslori
Member
09-15-2001
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 3:38 pm
"out of proportion" LOL...I love that!
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Jan
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 4:02 pm
I know that I read a spoiler before Apprentice started (and I think it was here?) that the final 2 were Jen and Kelly. I have been so hoping the spoiler was wrong. Sigh. But congrats to whomever had the spoiler info so early!!!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 4:05 pm
I think it was obvious to any of us watching that the POLO match was so straightforward and easy that the 'Workers' had nothing to do so they went and played on the field. If they were given TONS of tasks and work they wouldnt have had time to fool around until the sun went down. I just think that there is no comparison between the two tasks the finalists were given. The only thing that raised my eyebrows was how Elizabeth immediately felt that a stage was needed for Tony Bennett. Is this not a charity Polo event where celebritys come and WATCH??? Did I miss something?? All I heard was someone telling kelly that Tony Bennett was coming.......the next thing I see is plans being made like he is giving a performance. I didnt get that impression. Did anyone else Catch the convo??
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 4:15 pm
I thought that was strange also
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Westtexan
Member
07-16-2004
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 4:52 pm
"I think it interesting how out of over 1,000,000 applications, it just happens the best 18 are pretty decent looking people--young, attractive, and in most cases physically fit looking." Pretty suspicious!! But then again, I remember when it became known last year that foxy winner Bill Rancid had also applied for The Bachelor, suddenly my huge amount of respect for him dwindled because instead of seeing this highly intelligent, ambitious man, I saw a celebrity wannabe. I suppose some of these current contestants were recruited from a generic pool of reality show contestants. The producers are looking for pretty people to make good TV, and I have to wonder if they never heard of Rupert. (Although, dress anyone in a business suit over Survivor duds, and their attractiveness automatically increases. Except for Colby. I like him scruffy! Did anyone else see him on Joey last night?)
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 8:12 pm
the spoiler was here: ../156/1752246.html"#DEE7EF"> | Jami
Member
10-08-2003
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 9:14 pm
Regarding a comment above, I just wanted to point out that Kelly is 37-years-old, unless I am mistaken.
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Fabnsab
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 10:52 pm
That is true. He is 37. I think we have all seen that in reality shows, they allow for more "flaws" with the men than women. They want their women to be very attractive and fit, on average, whereas the same show will have the occasional overweight guy.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 12:25 am
I remember seeing Amy from last season on interviews after she was "fired" and she was talking about the interview process and how when she wore traditional business suits, they weren't too thrilled with her so she went in wearing a skirt as a dress and suddenly they were all interested. Yep, they want you to have some qualifications, and for women, that means being some sort of "eye candy."
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 2:48 am
mmmmmmm eye candy 
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