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Gen
Member
08-22-2003
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 1:08 pm
As I remember it, there was a shot of a clock with the hour hand past two and the minute hand somewhere between the 6 and the 12 - 2:30ish to 3:00ish in the morning.
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 1:09 pm
Fruitbat, I strongly disagree with your assessment of what Tana said. She said she was exempt and did not care (basically). Dalm.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 1:20 pm
I'll look for the clock when I re-watch it. One of the biggest problems with the way this show is set-up is that the Project Manager is extremely vulnerable. He or she is always Trump's first target when a competition is lost. There is virtually no incentive for the other team members to make the PM look good other than the reward at the end. In fact, if they can make the PM look bad and get away with it, they may be able to eliminate a serious competitor. The PM can not "fire" anyone on the team if they don't perform. The PM can't offer any sort of reward to the best performer. Basically, the PM has no real control. Worse, if one of the team members has immunity they can completely ignore the PM. You would think that they would have designed the game so that the PM would have more clout. It will be interesting to see how Kendra performs in the next challenge, given that she will have immunity and Tana or Craig may be PM.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 1:24 pm
Jimmer, I think they ran something along the bottom of the screen when Tana and Craig were leaving the building that showed what time it was, and I seem to recall it as being 3:30. Rslover, thank you for nailing my problem with Bren. I nearly jumped off the couch when he made that sexist remark about his team should win cause they were "three guys" and the other team was somehow less cause it was a guy and "two chicks." Puhleeze!! This is 2005! We're supposed to be over that chauvanistic ****! Grrrrrr! Man doesn't have a clue! I also hate his hair and think he needs a decent haircut, but then DT doesn't exactly model that, does he? I thought Chris showed grace and class in his taxi ride to Sequesterville. Whereas usually the fired people are blaming everyone else and whining about how it was everybody else's fault and they didn't deserve to be fired, he only had positive things to say about Trump, George, Carolyn and everyone else. He showed appreciation for the oppotunity. Now if he could only get that temper under control, he could go far!
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 1:28 pm
Jimmer said: "The PM can not "fire" anyone on the team if they don't perform. The PM can't offer any sort of reward to the best performer. Basically, the PM has no real control. Worse, if one of the team members has immunity they can completely ignore the PM." I'm not sure this is true. Remember the first season when Omarosa was so awful on that final task and Trump asked Kwame why he didn't just send her back to the suite? He said he didn't know he could. I think if somebody was not pulling their weight, the PM could just say, "Go back to the suite. You're done." I think Trump would respect that decision, especially if it was called for. I think they could do it if they wanted to.
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Kellirippa
Member
07-10-2002
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 1:37 pm
This episode was promoted (in my area at least) with a trailer that said, it's not about the task, it's not about the reward, it's not about who gets fired, it's about what happens after... ok, so What the heck was the big thing that happened after? Was it Trump telling Chris to stay off tabacco or did I switch channels too quickly?
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Jodied75
Member
08-26-2004
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 1:51 pm
Still love Tana. Especially love her line about Chris: "He's a virgin...and we're all sluts." LOL I'll have to remember that one.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 2:36 pm
Babyjaxmom, we chatted with Stephanie on the fishbowl the other night, and she was asked point blank if they could fire their teammates and she said no. The transcript of that chat should be up soon, I'll post a link when it is.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 3:14 pm
Then why do you suppose Trump asked Kwame why he didn't just send Oma back to the suite? Maybe they could send someone back to the suite, but not actually fire them? DH is always wondering the same thing!
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 3:17 pm
Maybe she didn't ask. Obviously Kwame didn't ask if he could fire Omarosa. And it wouldn't really be firing, just sidelining them. Of course if they sideline someone on a task they'd better make sure that it is warranted and that George or Carolyn sees it happen, because likely it would explode back on the team leader if they go to the boardroom.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 3:30 pm
Dalm, I was just speaking to what works best if you can use the work styles to good advantage or even, if you are stuck with someone on a team , even send them home if they are actually impeding progress by the team. And I was speaking as a working team leader, definitely not a meeting holder, paper shuffler type of boss. I've had the type of boss you mentioned, or even more toxic, and bosses who did dictate work style, to the detriment of the company and project. That's a toxic way to work, though. I was also thinking more of special projects where you can just go all out to completion, which isn't often the case in most jobs, but was the case for the apprentices.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 6:29 pm
Bad on Tana I was rooting for Kendra this time but she has been naughty too. I can't believe I liked Alex the other week at all. Now I can't stand him. Was almost wishing he would get fired over Chris. On the bright side, the finale is shaping up to be much more interesting. Should be a trip watching DT angrily hire one of these 'losers' to 'run one of his companies' lol 
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 7:46 pm
Didn't Omarosa end up on Kwame's team after she had been "fired" by DT? Didn't they bring back some of the fired group to perform on one more task? I could be wrong, but if that is the case, then Kwame may not have understood he could boot her to the curb, so to speak. Ah well, all that is history now anyway. A PM can choose to ignore the other team members and do it themselves, just as Kendra did. But, what does that say about their ability to be a team leader?!!? I agree with you, Buggles, about Alex. He is quickly loosing all my respect and admiration. I really haven't seen him perform and excel...he's been O.K. but not exceptional.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 7:54 pm
Is Chris going to be interviewed on the Today Show? I taped it this morning, and didn't see him. 'squeek'
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Gen
Member
08-22-2003
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 8:11 pm
He was interviewed during the later segment, around 9:30 I think. When asked about the tears, he said he did cry and was not ashamed to admit it. He said that he is a passionate guy! About the arrest in Tampa, he said that it was a misunderstanding on his part - that he was used to extras in the casinos in Vegas, which were not available at the Tampa casino.
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 9:50 pm
and then he decked Matt Lauer 
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Babyboo
Member
06-16-2003
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 10:10 pm
lmao
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 10:17 pm
OMG I'm just watching the end of the episode NOW, and awwwwwwww I feel so bad for Chris. Poor guy. I just want to give him a hugh. As crazy as that may sound. (I think my maternal clock is kicking in.)
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 2:30 am
I think even if the PM had the power to effectively "fire" a team mate from a project, they would be reluctant to do so. They might think that Trump would interpret the "firing" as the PM's inability to motivate or work with people. If I was a PM and was considering taking someone off the project, I know I would be thinking about that.
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Justalittlebean
Member
08-15-2003
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 5:51 am
Chris was also on CNN Showbiz last night. On Today and Showbiz he said he does not have a problem with his temper. Just the way it was edited. 
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 7:39 am
I know there seems to be the view that the Donald was all paternal with Chris at the end. I thought he was a little condencending and lecturing and that was all done for the Donald's and not for Chris' benefit. Just my view. Dalm
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 12:26 pm
Have to agree with Fruitbat that Tana did not make a flippant remark about being exempt so she did not have to stay up and work. She was at her wit's and strength's end at 2:30 a.m. and was unable to help Kendra any further when she said it. The remark was made by way of explaining that she had already gone beyond her limits and couldn't stay awake anymore. And yes, they did show a clock or some sort of time reference. Tana and Craig went to bed at 3:30 a.m., got wakened by Kendra at 8:30.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 12:32 pm
Why make the remark at all about being exempt? It was totally unnecessary and all it did was make her look bad.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 1:47 pm
I agree Jimmer. I couldn't believe she blew it like that (in my mind). Clearly she didn't bother to read his books either or she would have known his philosophy about this. He says people who allow themselves the luxury of sleep just can't compete with winners like himself who run on a few hours/night (or something like this). As for people saying 'well, it's better to be refreshed.' Than to have a brochure???? There was NO option but to stay up & finish.... or be a 'loser' I'm sure that millions would have done so if given this amazing opportunity. I've pulled countless all-nighters for faaaaaar less. It is so strange to me.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 2:26 pm
I think Craig was far worse than Tana or anyone in this particular event. He was a sourpuss from the get-go. At least Tana did her share in the presentation and Tana also gave Kendra lots of compliments when she saw the brochure... I think Alex did worse than Chris this time 'round. He didn't get more than ONE interior shot? Come on. And then his excuse was they didn't have any time? Come on!
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