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Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 8:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL!!! Reader, that is too funny!!! Peach schnapps this time of year, since peaches are hard to get. If you can get fresh peaches, blend them up and put them in the champagne! YUM!

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 8:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oooh!! Let's get drunk tonight Reader!! I just finished a super stressful Biology exam!! I can celebrate now!!



Reader234
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08-13-2000

Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL, she was sent to the frozen juice aisle for peach juice concentrate to add to the champagne -

OK eeyore, but I do need to volunteer for dd class tomorrow, its their Valentine's Day Party!! (and DD had a really bad day yesterday, so I have to straighten it out - I told dd teacher I was grounding dd, teacher said "oh, no, dont do that!!)

nope, no champagne till later... dh may get a bonus!! But I've got some Zinfendal!! :-)

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 8:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Nah, peach schapps is way better! You get an extra boost from the booze! <wink> (It's clear, too, so it makes a prettier drink!)

Carlito
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03-26-2004

Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 9:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks to both of you for spoiling tonite. I just want to know why DT only fired Kristen. I thought both PM's deserved to be fired.I thought Erin as PM should have had the professional savvy to know that soft porn with a gay theme would not be appropriate for a commercial for one the worlds largest companies. Ultimately,she accepted Brens idea and went with it.I think it really revealed so much about her character and personality because she did not think anything was wrong with the idea and she was really into the sexiness of the actors.Kristen on the other hand deserved to be fired because she was a control freak with the idea.She did not listen or involve her team in meaningful work contributions and they turned on her.Too bad!!!! Finally, is it just me or do you all also question DT's rhetoric and reasons for firing people.Tonite for example,firing Kristen because she was not a strong leader was the wrong reason.

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 9:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sorry I haven't been spoiling. I've been watching it late. Maybe next week I'll earn some bellinis banana


I thought both commercials were horrible!

It was cool to see both teams brought in to the boardroom at the same time. So not only did they have to defend themselves against their own team, they had to defend themselves against the other team!
I thought someone from each team was going to get fired.

btw - I tested the Dove Cool Moisture bar (not the body wash) a couple of years ago. I loved it and glad to see it finally hit the market! I hope they didn't change it from the product I had tested.
Can't wait to get the sample and see if it's the same :-)

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 9:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I would have fired the one on Net Worth who wouldn't shut up and fingered her PM--losing a member of her own team.

The commercials really stunk, but I think they were really thrown off by Donny putting such a huge emphasis on the commercial's being "out of the box."

The ad Dove finally used was quite conventional. If one of the teams had gone for conventional, it would have won. What was with using men to sell the body wash, anyway?

Dee
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08-08-2000

Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 10:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I love what George said about Magna... "I could say they're on the wrong path {but} they aren't ON a path!"

Muse
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08-09-2001

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 4:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In addition to the concepts of the commercials not being very good, I also have to say that I thought the production looked very poor/amateur. I kept thinking of the commercials the contestants on Richard Branson's show came up with...for the most part, *much* more professional looking.

So far I'm not seeing a lot of talent from either team. It's strange. You would think there would be better (more professional, creative, driven, etc) people on the second and third seasons of The Apprentice (more people applying and all). But so far I think the premier season has had the best talent...by far!

Maybe I'll see the talent emerge more as the season goes on. I'd like to have someone to root for.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 5:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

quote:

soft porn with a gay theme would not be appropriate for a commercial for one the worlds largest companies.




It wasn't just that. One of the ad execs really pointed it out -- who usually buys a product like Dove body wash? Women. How many women want to buy a product that makes a man walk off with his boyfriend and leaves her with a cucumber? The concept on that one was just bad, and the execution was cheesy, made worse buy the boom chicka chicka twang twang porn background music. I really think either Brandon, for coming up with such a bad idea, or Erin, as project leader letting it go through, should have been fired. There was just nothing good at all about that one, and I don't care how well the worked and played with each other -- it was bad frat boy fantasy time.

I thought the concept of the winning the race commercial had potential, but Kristen's execution of it was just bad. Done well, with the soap being washed off with water (and a woman winning the race -- remember Target Audience 101), it might have actually worked. For her to say she didn't understand it was supposed to be funny was silly to me -- how could it be anything but?

So far, the one I like the most is John. I think he did a good job the week he was PM, tried to give good advice to the PM the next week, came up with a decent idea this week, and seems to contribute well. he's the only stand-out for me so far. Well, stand out in a good way.

Cdbga
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10-04-2004

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 6:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The production quality issues stood out to me, too. I work in TV and I'm telling you we did higher quality stuff for class projects when I was still in college. I was wondering what kind of equipment they had access to and whether they could have gotten professional editing help(not that better production values would have won the task). I agree that John's race commercial had potential, if it had been correctly executed. It was funny to me that Kristen said that "we" didn't understand it was a joke, when she was pretty clearly the only one who didn't understand it.
Magna's was just bad altogether. Strange that Michael was the only person making sense this week, after his poor performance last week.

Also, how delusional is Kristen? Her comments about how well she worked with/led the team were so far from the reality of what happened on the task. They didn't just turn on her after they lost. Anyone else remember John telling her how royally she had screwed up the commercial while they were in the editing room? Also, her insistence that she knew how to direct because her boyfriend was a director and she'd been on the set with him. How silly is that? I used to date a doctor, it didn't qualify me to perform surgery!

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 6:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kristen really didn't have a clue in the end. Her team loved her? Pffttt. During the Jersey shore show her team certainly wasn't loving her.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 7:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Donald was looking for an excuse to fire someone on Net Worth and he found it when the slamming began. If he fired someone on the Magna team with the soft porn commercial, the idea of "book smarts vrs. street smarts" goes out the window.

If it was based on the project alone Magna would have lost.

Did we see inventive editing?

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Of course we did ... I don't really think that anyone from the street smarts team is going to win, do you? As badly as Trump puts down those without a college degree? What excuse did he give to Troy? No college. Last season there were a couple that he talked down to because they didn't have degrees. So am I to believe that he's had an epiphany and suddenly values street smarts? I don't ...

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Why couldn't they have had runners really outside, with race numbers on their shirts. When John presented his idea, I had that vision in my head - a 10K race, the table of water cups, and the runners splashing themselves in the face or pouring the water over their heads - then someone washing themselves with the body wash - and then pouring another cup of water to rinse, and crossing the finish line all nice and refreshed, while the other runners are all sweaty and dirty.

konashark suggested a rural cabin in the woods with flowers and an outdoor shower - zoom in on the use of the body wash, then zoom out and it's really only a conventional shower inside of a real bathroom. Yeah, I know, conventional commercial.

'squeek'

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 8:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well that makes Kristen a 2-time reality loser....and on both shows she wasn't liked too much.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 8:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think these teams are really poor, too. John does seem to have potential. Time will tell, I guess!

I also agree, if I went by commercial alone, I think Magna should have had someone fired. For people with educations, they looked like middle school kids whose teacher handed them a camcorder for the first time. Granted, Networth messed up the execution of the commercial, but it could have been reshot and fixed. There was just nothing to even salvage with the porn commercial. The PM on that teams was really creepy in the way she was oggling that guy and "washing him." Good grief... she could have played the part herself!

That being said, I did think Kristen was a terrible PM and did a poor job. I won't be missing her a bit. I do think it was the wrong choice of teams however, based on the commercials. Yep, someone from Networth HAD to be fired, obviously.

I sure hope this season picks up. If not, I may not bother again. Last season was no loss if I missed an episode and this one is only getting less compelling. I agree one would think they'd have better casts each season. I'm not impressed at all.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 9:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kona, I envisioned the exact same thing! I couldn't believe the final product!!

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I suspect shooting outside in NYC would require all sorts of permits, which would be unattainable in the time frame they had. They'd probably need to shut down part of a city street from pedestrians at a minimum.

The production quality wasn't an issue for me; after all, they aren't going to be video producers and didn't have the experience even a college TV production class would have. If their basic concepts had been good or executed properly, then things like lighting or camera angles or editing room stuff wouldn't be a big problem.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 10:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the company's are looking for ideas more than production quality.

If the Street outsmarts the Book what would Donald do to even the teams. Nothing can be done yet to let them become individual players so they edited to show dissension on the Street side.

I can't believe that the Book side was only asked 2 questions and Erin was let off the hook, except for the fact that the show needs to keep the teams even.

I also suspect that the Don will be pressured to seek a female winner this time.



Cdbga
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10-04-2004

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yeah, I'm sure the task wasn't about the production quality, too...its just something that stands out to me because I'm in the field. But, of all the video projects I've seen on various reality shows(including past seasons of this one), this episode was the first time I remember seeing something that was so noticeaby bad to me. Even that awful militaristic ad for the NYPD that Elizabeth & her team did last season looked a lot better.

Mssilhouette
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07-11-2001

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I only saw bits and pieces of this episode but I did see those crappy commercials. What happened from last season when they had to do commercias for the NYPD? That was at least good quality to a degree. And they had a lot of help as far people and equipment.

This time they only had a few models and what was up with the actress who was supposed to be "pissed" that she was kept waiting.
So what struggling actress gets pissy because they have to wait for an hour on a job...a paid job at that? She was getting paid for her time so if she ahd to wait for 4 hours then she had better wait or walk out and not get paid. That seemed very set up to me and for no reason but to cause drama where there was none.

Bad doesn't even begin to cover those commericals. Did they both forget that they were marketing to women? Did they also forget that sex doesn't need to sell a body wash. Clean and refreshed is all I want to know about when it comes to some dang soap. Did NO ONE on either team know what body wash was for?

The runner using it on his face...now that was just nasty. I won't tell you what type of bodily fluid it looked like..but I think you can guess, overall just nasty.

My interest in this season is starting to fall off in huge scumy soap covered clumps.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
So what struggling actress gets pissy because they have to wait for an hour on a job...a paid job at that?

A New York actress!!




Hey what's with Alex and Craig on either team? They seem to be the under-the-radar people this season. (I might be inclined to include Stephanie in there too)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Very bad performances all around. Once again I am amazed by the mediocrity on this show. If I were Trump or the add agency I would be embarrassed. Congratulations to the add guy for telling it like it is. What on earth did Dove think of having two awful commercials shown over and over again? About all they got out of this was exposure – and it wasn’t good exposure.

I do think that Trump made the right decision in firing Kristen. If he was going to fire the Magna PM for using a bad idea then he would have to fire the entire team because the entire team supported the idea and went with it. So he had the choice of firing a PM who essentially followed a bad idea but did a good leadership job with her team’s support vs. firing a PM who had no one’s support, showed poor leadership and essentially messed up a potentially good idea.

So I think Trump got it right – even if he was just balancing out the teams.

With respect to the contestants, I agree that John is looking pretty good at this point. I also was surprised at the actress being so upset. Why does she care as long as they are paying her by the hour! (LOL over the NY actress comment!)

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I fell asleep on the couch and missed the whole episode! I'll have to watch this tonight on the rerun. I hope it's as horrible as it sounds!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 6:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
They spent way too much time on that actress throwing a hissy fit, since it was completely irrelevant to the way things played out in the end. If I'd been Erin I would've let the girl walk, especially considering she looked nothing at all like her headshot led them to believe. Okay, that was catty, but still true. Either she was coached to behave like that or she's really delusional and thinks she's a VIP.

Aren't commercials usually filmed instead of videotaped? That looked so cheap.

Regarding Carlito's question, I've almost always questioned Trump's reasons for firing people, especially in the first two seasons when it seemed so arbitrary. The only reasoning I can see this time is that he was hoping to see the teams compete in the boardroom instead of selling out their own team members. It looked like Chris was the only one smart enough to point out the opposing team's failure. Kristen and Audrey showed how their lack of teamwork would distract them from nailing the competition. Since Trump is always mindful of how they handle the competition, this probably really did bother him more than the porn commercial. Kristen should've spent her time coaching her team to blast Magna's commercial instead of trying to conspire with Tana to make Audrey the scapegoat.

Isn't it interesting that last week Erin was offended by the idea of beautiful women handing out coffee, but not by Bren's repugnant commercial? I would've liked to have heard Trump ask her why she brought Michael back to the board room when he was the only one who objected to the bad idea. At least she didn't get an exemption.

Hummingbird
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08-21-2002

Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Both commercials were awful and Trump should have fired someone from each team.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The Body Wash said on the bottle 'can be used on face'.

One of the Network girls brought that point up when Kristen was directing the commerical.

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The Magma commercial could have been really funny and acceptable with a few changes.

Get rid of the porno cuke and have regular vegetables and fruit being washed, while googly eyes are being made.

What was with the whole table full of Dove Bodywash that the Female cook was standing by?? It made me think that the product was for washing food LOL

That commercial did have some promise ...but it seemed that a simple concept was thrown forward for discussion and nothing better was derived from the other team0members.

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Oh, by the way, the racing concept of the Networth commercial has been done here in Canada. It is Like the Tour De France bicycle race and everyone is being handed water while they race by. One man ends up being handed a bottle extra virgin Olive Oil instead of water.....so he pours it over his bicycle chain which is squeaking...then WINS! It is funnier than it sounds...especially when he takes a big squig of olive oil instead of water LOL

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I finally had the chance to watch last week's tape (the Taster's Choice one). I didn't realize that the bad idea of giving out iPods was Bren's. The bad porn movie idea this week was also Bren's. I'd say the Magna folk better stop listening to Bren's bad ideas, cause they are what leads to the team's failures.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 4:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Good catch, Whoami. I didn't realize the iPod idea was Bren's. Yeah, they need to stop listening to the guy who thought bowties were a good idea.

I agree it would've been nice to see one person fired from both teams since they both lost, but since Verna quit they probably didn't want to lose yet another round of the competition by firing an extra person. Maybe next season they can have alternates waiting in the wings in case they lose someone unexpectedly.

I just didn't get the point of the restaurant ad as it relates to the product. If it was a vegetable wash maybe I could understand. As a joke I didn't really see the humor in a woman stroking a cucumber and then getting rejected. I had to laugh at the comment by the woman who said that after seeing that commercial she didn't want that product and didn't want her husband using it either. The women should've stepped up to the plate on this one instead of letting the men dictate the ideas. These soap ads are usually shown during daytime anyway, and are targeting women. The men were trying to come up with the kind of comedic stuff you'd see during the Superbowl.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 8:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The wash was a cucumber wash.. that's probably where the cucumber idea first appeared and why the other team also dressed in cucumber green..

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Whether or not the packaging says you can put a product on your face, if it says BODY WASH, I'd kind of like to see it being used appropriately.

Riviere
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09-09-2000

Monday, February 14, 2005 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Knew the second I heard "body wash" that Magna was going to mess up their promotion! Then, oh, they surprised me. Made it all about food and showed up to pitch their idea wearing silly chef uniforms too! Dumb, dumb, dumb idea.. The Dove products have been around forever and aim for women. The old college boy sophomoric attitude about a good body wash product was to make a soft porn joke of a commercial to sell it? Seeing the kitchen set my first thought was they were trying to pitch a vegetable slicer!
Clip of the week: Carolyn's double take watching the models fondling the cucumber.
Net Worth wasn't much better. Seeing the real final commercial Dove made, that team could have incorporated a marathon race sequence and even included a man, as in, Dove Body Wash is for all people.. The spots showing women in make up and working, then morphing into clean refreshed shots of them relaxing, it was tasteful and got to the point delivering the product message. It didn't have to be humorous nor have any punch line. It didn't have to show anyone in a shower either!
Noticed a lot of cheesy ideas come from Magna and yeah, I expected 2 firings this week since neither team won the challenge..
I'm rooting for the Net Worth team. Even if so far they're not using their full potential.