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The TVClubHouse: Other Reality Shows ARCHIVES: Apprentice II: Episode 10/07/04: Archive through October 11, 2004 users admin

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Jen
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07-27-2003

Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 7:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh! I thought it was this season they were repeating. No worries. Thanks though!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 7:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A little late but...

I finally saw the Thursday night show on Saturday (watched my recording), and then caught the Saturday ep with the extended boardroom.

I gotta say... I agreed with Trump's firing of Pamela right off the bat. She didn't lead, she dictated. Much as I dislike Maria, Pamela WAS very condescending to the others. She didn't even try to get to know them. I think part of it may have been the way she got switched back to the female team and immediately told to lead them (can you say "massive ego"?). But part of it was she just didn't care enough to get to know them. Heck, even if they had been on the opposite teams, they were living in the same suite!

I really and truly dislike Stacy though. (First of all, petty comment alert... she needs to cut her hair, short! That haircut makes her look like she has no neck!)

Those women are really gonna self destruct. They simply cannot work together as a team. If someone was being underutilized, why do they need Pamela to tell 'em what to do? Can't they SEE what needs to be done? Can't they take initiative and just DO IT?

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 11:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm really bothered by the "she didn't get to know her team" argument. HELLO?!?! How long do you HAVE between receiving your task assignment, and starting to get to work? I thought the way Pamela did it was pretty efficient for the time she had. OK tell me where YOU feel you are strong, and what you would like to work on. If everyone had that opportunity, then it's their own FAULT for where they ended up. They controlled their own fate when they answered Pamela's question.

As for Pamela, what do you people expect of her? To take 5 hours, and go to a day spa, sit around and do each other's nails, and gt to KNOW each other? I'm sorry, but if it was the first task for a man coming on to the men's team, and the PM said, tell me your strengths and preferences, and we'll just go with it, the MEN wouldn't be chastized for making such efficient decisions.

I don't want to sound like I am one of those totally biased FANS or anything. I personally don't like ANY of them over the others, except for that really hot GUY, but that has nothing to do with the game. (heh heh heh) I actually despised Pamela until this episode when she finally corralled those bratty girls into a half-decent team.

But sometimes the arguments that are used to fired people don't wash with me, because it's usually a total double standard.

No one complains that Stacy couldn't even come up with ANY price when Pamela kept saying "just give me a price Stacey!" She kept going "well I don't know because...." Sorry, that's your job is legal and pricing. Why don't you KNOW? Grrrr.

These women INFURIATE me. I hate that these women are actually passed off as having ANY potential to work in the business world. I personally believe that most of them would be LAUGHED OUT of any reputable company. I just want to know when we will see some hair pulling. It's almost at that level for the women.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OT - I hate seeing my own spelling and grammatical errors, after it's too late to edit.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The thing that stood out for me with Pam this last task is that she went into a condescending hard edged style that Trump warned her about. She didn’t take Trump’s advice and she didn’t take her teams advice about the pricing. That is what got her fired. It had very little to do with her team.

I hope the girls are different in a real life workplace. This “Trump TV World” is not a comparable environment.

Stacy did give a tentative amount of 19.99 and it appears there was other discussions about the price. Bottom line Pam blew the pricing, at least in George, Carolyn, the folks at QVC and her team opinions.

Trumps other concern with Pam was that she didn’t get to know her team/ access her team…which goes back to Trump’s original warning of have a hard edge.


Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 5:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Bottom line for me is that these women are still using the alliance strategy even though they've been warned not to. They got together when Pamela wasn't around and said "It's either her or one of us." They decided before they got in the boardroom that they'd make it all about her because she was the outsider. If they showed as much teamwork on their tasks as they do in the boardroom meetings they'd be winning.

This loss was as close to a win as they've come since Bradford left. If they had just sold one more unit we'd be discussing where the men failed. When Bradford was leader they thought he was too dictatorial, but they won. When others lead by getting everyone's input, they lost. Seems to me that this particular team needs a tough leader or they fall apart, pointing fingers at each other because too many people had their hand in the decision making.

I'd really like to know why it wasn't brought up in the boardroom that pricing was taken away from Stacy because she dropped the ball and refused to make a recommendation. She even had the nerve to complain about Pamela taking over the pricing. That was the perfect time for Pamela to call her out for not wanting to commit to a price.

I'd have a hard time believing that Pamela didn't get to know these women. Aren't they all living together? Most of their drama has happened at the suite so I'm sure she witnessed plenty of the ugliness and infighting, and that's probably why she was so tough with them.

Woofy
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08-09-2001

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
***** REMINDER *****

The APPRENTICE segment on QVC is this evening (Monday) at 10 p.m. Eastern, 7 p.m. Pacific time.

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's on now for those interested.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oohh, did you hear Trump's dig on The Benefactor?

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
No, I'm just half watching. (you did mean Trump made a dig on the benefactor on QVC?)

I have read articles about Trump putting down Cuban for doing "The Benefactor".

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
He made a passing comment about how so many reality shows fail, for ex. the Benefactor...

Rslover
Member

11-19-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh Gosh, Pamela wanted to sell these things for $40.00! They are $17.62.

Abby7
Member

07-17-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
thanks rslover, i missed that part. i'm watching it now though.

i've seen Cuban on interviews saying he was sick of Trump for his comments about Cuban and the benfactor. he thinks trump is being stupid about it.

Abby7
Member

07-17-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Actually, watching them use the cleaning block....it doesn't seem to clean all that well.

I know several people, here at TVCH, rave about the Mr. Clean eraser. So, I've been thinking of getting that. However, this cleaning block (that demonstration anyway) didn't seem to clean very well.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wonder if the Mr. Clean ones are made in the U.S. These are made in W. Germany. They have to wait two months for shipping! Sam said they sold $38,000 worth. They commented on her "10 carat rock" on the View too. Who is she engaged to?

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I personally love the Mr Clean eraser. But I haven't tried to tackle all of the stains that QVC did. It got rid of scuff marks on my walls with hardly any effort.

I was shocked by Pamela! She appeared so different! Funny, more personable.

I wonder why none of the other women were there?
All the [remaining] men were...


Luvmykitties
Member

01-02-2004

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was wondering about her ring also.
On EXTRA when she talked about how the show changed her life, she mentioned getting a divorce!

So she got engaged rather quickly...

Rslover
Member

11-19-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Is he going to push his water next? Hee hee

Luvmykitties
Member

01-02-2004

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Rslover -
I just checked my Mr Clean Magic Eraser and it is also made in Germany. Very interesting. I didn't know that.
(now there is a Mr Clean Magic Eraser Duo - but I haven't used mine yet)

fyi - I recommend getting on P&G's mailing list. They often offer free samples of various products - usually before they hit the market.
That's how I originally got the Mr Clean sponge - plus $1 coupon.


Woofy
Member

08-09-2001

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The Mr. Clean Magic Eraser is terrific. Here is the URL for a FREE sample:

http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/index.shtml

Rslover
Member

11-19-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Luv,
I wonder if it is manufactured by the same company - like P & G makes Tide, Cheer, etc.

Thanks Woofy

Luvmykitties
Member

01-02-2004

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The URL that Woofy posted is what I was referring to.
I highly recommend subscribing to their newsletter. I've received lots of good samples and coupons.

Luvmykitties
Member

01-02-2004

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 8:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's entirely possible Rslover.
As you pointed out, P&G makes several brands of the same type of product in different price ranges (Tide, Cheer, Dreft, Gain, Ivory Snow).

On the other hand, I couldn't find anything on the package or website that claims the sponge or solution is "patented"...


Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Whose ring are ya talking about??

Rslover
Member

11-19-2002

Monday, October 11, 2004 - 8:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That's what I figured. I signed up and checked those boxes. Those are usually the ones I don't check. Always afraid they will sell my address and I'll get more junk mail.