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Julieboo
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02-05-2002
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 10:13 pm
Did you see her in the scenes for next week? Looks like she actually has a sense of humor. She was laughing so hard that tears were rolling down her face! hard to believe but true...
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 10:15 pm
She's lookin' hot! She does have a bit of a sense of humor...
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 10:20 pm
Conan does a great Donald!!!! She's got a book out. (about business) Not too exciting an interview at all. Nobuddy missed nuttin'....
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 10:25 pm
my father saw her over the weekend. I think she was doing a book signing. He said she looked a lot "softer". I guess as Conan pointed out, she never smiles on the show. I love how she kept referring to the contestants this season as "frustrating and exhausting"
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Jennywa
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07-17-2003
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 10:31 pm
Pamela did great! I don't think Donald is making good choices this year. I know nothing about business , but something is hinky.... maybe ratings???
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 10:35 pm
Personally I am annoyed that people who try to take control of these high school girls are the ones who get fired. I wish that Ivana, Maria, or little Stacey would be fired, just for acting like such little kids. Pamela brought her new team almost equal success, and almost a win. When there was the point where Stacey was NOT making the decision on price, if Pamela DIDN'T make a call, and Stacey's price was eventually bad, I believe Pamela would have been blamed for not making a decision faster (if Stacey wasn't making one). I know, that was an awkward sentence. Sorry. I have never liked Pamela since the start, but I will give credit where credit is due, and she did a great job leading and coordinating those bratty girls. OT - Does anyone ELSE notice that after EVERY one of Trumps firings, Caroline says some sort of affirming comment to him? Like, "It had to be done" or "That was the right choice". Caroline, stop blowing smoke up Donald's bum. I guess the way to get far in the Trump organization is pretend to agree with him at all times.
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Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 10:45 pm
How the heck would Trump know if sponges and cleaner were too high priced? Ya think he's been at Walmart or Target lately? As far as his concerns with pricing...I'll bet that stupid "Trump Ice" water of his is a whole lot higher priced than Poland Springs. I agree with those of you who think he was off base in firing Pamela. The "you're fired" seemed very abrupt, maybe due to editing. I hope we get to see the extended version and maybe we'll find out that Pamela wouldn't shut-up or something and he just reacted. Those women are so self-destructive this year! I'm finding it hard to know who to root for. I miss Troy. 
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Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004
| Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 11:07 pm
regarding Pam getting fired... I think it was a good choice. But then again, I think any of them would have been a good choice. As someone here said, she did too much micro-managing. I don't understand why she got on Stacy for doing the job she was assigned. (regarding the legal work she was doing) Also remember, Pam was PM in the very first task, and was in the Boardroom. At the end, DT had made a comment to the effect that she has a "hard edge" (I don't remember the exact word he used) and said something like that may or may not change. (like it wasn't a good thing) I think tonight just showed her usual management style, and I don't think many people could work for someone like that. Additionally, she made fun of the kids in the first task in front of the client! Then in ice-cream task she really stunk. Maybe Saturday will show some additional footage that will add to the reason for firing Pam. It just seemed too quick this week. Last week was "an easy one" and it took a lot longer!
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Wendo
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08-07-2000
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 12:29 am
While I'm enjoying the show, I'm just not enjoying it as much as last season. I suppose that's typical. But the women this year are driving me up a wall! They behave so awfully. I do agree that, in the end, it was pricing that caused the women's team to lose. Therefore, Pam was ultimately responsible. However, I think considering the state the women WERE in, she greatly improved the performance of the team. Personally, this bunch of women stink and as they continue to go down in flames, I'll be cheering from the sidelines with my popcorn and soda. I don't think ANY of the women have shown any skills to work for Trump at this point. I wonder if the men will be upset that Pamela was fired? Speaking of "Trump Ice" water, they're selling it here I grocery shop. I've never looked at the price though; I'll check it out next time I'm there. Anyway, I'm just not digging the show as much this year. Oh, and Trump needs to remember one thing, of all the applications he could choose from, he and his cohorts chose these people. I would think that part of running a good business is finding the right people. I don't know why they chose any of the women we've seen.
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Abby7
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07-17-2002
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 1:04 am
I admire and respect Carolyn. Her resume/work ethic speaks for itself. She is a wife and mother while a business woman. I don't think she should be fired. I don't care if she looks old or young for her age. I'm sure she is not worried about it. She makes enough money to take care of her family and herself....who cares if she looks old for her age. She seems happy enough. Why in the hell should Trump fire her?
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Newsanchor
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11-05-2003
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 6:00 am
I agree with firing Pamela. She was so hard-headed about it's "my way or the highway"! Often times in business it is the wise business person who listens to his or her subordinates. I didn't see alot of flexibility in Pamela last night and also did not see her admit to any failures on her part. I agree with Stacey--if you are going to ask someone to take care of legal--then let them do it--unless you're a lawyer, which Pamela is not.
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Julieboo
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02-05-2002
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 6:13 am
Abby I don't think they will fire Carolyn. But I bet you weren't referring to her. Were you talking about Pamela? (Who said Pamela looked old for her age? Or Carolyn--or who were you talking about?)
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Marameko
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07-15-2002
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 6:28 am
I would have preferred that "little" Stacy be fired, she appeared to be totally useless for this particular task.She talks way tooo much. << She reminds me of a character Tracey Ullman would do >> The only other thing that I wish Pamela had done was to allow just a tad bit more democracy in the process and possibly used a group consensus to come up with task assignments. The manner in which Maria was removed as the on air spokesperson was not handled professionally. They should have "auditioned". I make these suggestions realizing that there were serious tome constraints.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 7:01 am
I thought Pamela was a lawyer.
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Vee
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02-23-2004
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 7:14 am
I would have fired Stacey and then Maria before firing Pamela. Credit where credit is due...Pamela did shape those women up considerably. I also think that with the numbers that close, it should be considered a tie. Don't know how that would work, but... Pamela said this morning on the TODAY show that she called Stacey last night to apologize for speaking to her the way that she did. She had not realized how it came across until she saw the show for herself.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 7:22 am
I'm with you Abby on Carolyn... Personally, I think she rocks!!! I think that's why I love the Saturday night show so much - I love watching Carolyn getting in their faces - which you don't see as much on the Thurs episodes.
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Weinermr
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08-18-2001
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 7:31 am
I thought Elizabeth did a great job last night after getting into trouble a week or two ago.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 7:44 am
I think Pamelas downfall was when Trump moved her over to the team and basically said your the one who can whip this team into shape, your the best.. blah blah blah. She came in with guns blazing and a huge power trip and rode right over all the ideas and opinions of the others. Then to have them walkie/talkie that info about how the other girl sucked on the rehearsal was way off base. You just don't do that. She had no tact or diplomacy and as far as I am concerned that is a huge part of management. Had she kept her style but remained open to others input and did not have attitude that they were all idiots, she may have done great. I would have fired her too.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 7:56 am
It would serve Trump right if for some reason he ended up with one of the non-males as his apprentice ...
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 10:00 am
Julieboo, I saw Carolyn on Dateline or something a few days or so ago. She reminded me a lot of Princess Di. I never thought that while watching her on the Apprentice though. I am still enjoying the show, but not as much as I enjoyed the first season. I wish they'd show more of the guys. The women really bug me, that is why I don't like the show as well. They are so unprofessional. Most everyone was quite professional for the most part during the first season. Because this is actually a job interview for a very prestigious job, I think we, the viewers, expect a lot more professionalism than the women have shown us this season. I do think Pamela should have been fired. I think Carolyn has probably wanted her gone since she made fun of the boy's hair in the toy challenge. I think Pamela did a good job on the task, but she did lose. One of the teams has to lose. Her team lost. She was the PM. She is the one who chose Stacey and Maria to come into the board room with her. They didn't choose her, so, I do not agree that the other girls ganged up on her because she didn't participate in their sorority. Had she not been the PM, I think they would have ganged up on her to get her fired. However, she was the PM. Being the PM, she had to automatically go into the board room. Trump did tell her she was switching and was going to be the PM. This was a chance for her to shine. If her team had won, I think she would have received a lot of praise from Trump. Plus, she would have been exempt from the firing next week. It does seem unfair that because of $10 out of $17,000, she got fired. But it isn't really unfair because one team has to lose and one person has to get fired. Out of Maria, Stacey, and Pamela, it was really Pamela most directly responsible for the loss because she was the PM. I do think the women need someone in charge to direct them. Pamela did that. However, she was too condesending to them. I don't like Maria, but I see her point that she doesn't need someone her same age talking to her like she was a child. The manner in which Maria find out that she wasn't coming across well on camera was unprofessional, but I thought maybe unintentional. I don't think Elizabeth knew that her voice would be broadcast all over the set. Perhaps someone had an earpiece and Elizabeth just wanted to give Maria a heads up that Pamela was on her way and not pleased.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 10:34 am
They discussed, with of course Stacy as the instigator, making sure that Pamela was fired instead of one of them, making sure that in the boardroom she looked as bad as possible. Of course Ms Stacy didn't admit that she failed at the pricing, Ms Maria didn't admit that she failed in front of the camera. None of them admitted that without Pamela there riding herd on them they would have lost as badly as usual.
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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:09 am
I have disliked Pamela since the toy challenge when she was so awful about the kids. I was glad she went.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:35 am
I thought that Ivana made sure that Maria overheard it on purpose. In my opinion Ivana is the instigator to a lot of trouble - she is just very subtle about it. I'm pretty sure that George and Caroline saw that happen though so it did not go unnoticed.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 1:54 pm
I think Trump was gunning for Pam or at least testing her. After Pam walked Mosaic into their first and only loss at Toys r Us Trump told her that he didn’t like her in your face hard edged style and he thought she may not be able to change. He WARNED her at that point that he didn’t appreciate or condone her style. He made her PM of Apex last night and told her to fix the team. Instead of doing a little team building she acted in a harsh management style that separated her from the team. She didn’t heed Trumps warning. She didn’t try to be less harsh as Trump suggested to her when she found herself in the boardroom after the first task. I don’t think Trump has room for someone who doesn’t take his advice. Therefore I think Trump put her as PM as a test to see if she had heard what he said to her the very first task. Maybe if Pam took Trumps advice and even if the QVC outcome were the same, Trump might have kept her around because she showed she was able to hear and take Trumps not so subtle recommendations, but I’m afraid it was all too much for Pam to grasp.
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Penguinchic
Member
11-05-2003
| Friday, October 08, 2004 - 5:12 pm
With the women I keep noticing one thing. None of them know how to be managed. None of them are taking advantage of learning from Trump. Almost all of them are reminded to let DT, C or G finish a sentence because of interruptions. One thing I have learned in the business world is that you let your boss tear you apart then you defend yourself. It just ticks the boss off when you won't respect them enough to let them talk. And, when they do defend themselves they complain, they don't talk about action. Egads, no wonder, DT is so fed up with them. I felt like Pam was set up to fail on this task. She did have the opportunity for success, but I suspect that DT didn't think she would be able to manage those women. My conspiracy side wondered if he made sure that the men sold enough to be over the women.
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