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Episode 10/21/04 (Spoiler)

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Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 7:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Scary how you can find out so much about a person in a matter of minutes!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Totally off topic, but no kidding!!! Funny, too, when you find someone's googled you!! (I'm hiring, and a candidate googled me the other day before her interview. I was LOL!)

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
WOW!!!!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 8:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I didn't know you could google just regular ppl....I just googled my old friend/attny that I had disbarred for fraud and stealing my mom's money from me after her death.....anyway...I just found out he was indicted last year fro BK fraud and faces 5 yrs in prison......guess I will never get my 10,000 back now!!!!!

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 9:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
oh my!! Pamy

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 10:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK.. am I losing it? No apprentice rerun tonight? Looks like they replaced it with a Biggest Loser rerun :-(

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 10:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You are not losing it SEA.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 12:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought I missed it too! I love the remix episode.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 1:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh I am sooooooo happy that there wasn't an episode tonight!! Well, maybe not happy, but more relieved. I worked this morning, and got offered to pick up a night shift, so I haven't been home since 9 this morning. I had just ASSUMED that I would be home tonight, and so I didn't set to tape.

PHEW!!!

So.....when will the remix be aired? I saw a local channel ar a commercial for the extended boardroom footage for this Saturday. Was it just the US stations that didn't air it? Or can anyone in Canada confirm it wasn't on....?

Actually, let's just assume it wasn't on up here either, and I can continue living in my ignorant bliss.

Eacollins
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10-30-2003

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 7:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It ran last night after the Biggest Loser.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
About Stacy's firing... I know she can rub people the wrong way but I thought she got a bit of a raw deal. It didnt seem to me that she did a bad job in trying to sell her ideas to Wes... I thought it was unfair in this case for her to take the fall for his decision to stay a bad course.

I know DT said she complained too much & didnt take enough responsibility in general for her role in the team losses but I dont think the others have either unless it was painfully obvious that they had to.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Can anyone give us a rundown on the extended boardroom? PLEASE?

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 7:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
There WAS no extended board room this time

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Buggles!

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 2:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm a little bothered that Trump blamed her for not selling her idea good enough too. I understand his reasoning, but I also think there is only so much you can do if someone else just blows you off and tunes you out.

Wes had just as much responsibility to tell Stacy why he didn't like the idea. If he'd gotten his point across better, including telling her to drop the issue, maybe she would have finally shut up.

Jan
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08-01-2000

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Stacie has the age old problem of people who talk too much :-).

People quit listening to you altogether. Even if you come up with an excellent idea, no amount of selling is going to do it for you because no one listens. As soon as you start to talk, listeners tune out.

I don't know how she could have overcome this problem. ( I wish I did know how to overcome this :-))

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 6:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Pamy... OH MY!!!

Sea... I was gonna say something about you "losing it" finding out "The Biggest Loser" was on, but decided I'd probably not sound as funny in print as it did in my head! <wink!!>

Jan... ITA!! I think people just started to tune her out.

BUT... Trump's right. You've GOT to be able to sell your ideas. And to think on your feet and come up with other suggestions to increase acceptance. I think half of Stacy's problem was in her execution (or lack thereof) and foresight. I mean, really, if they had a short period of time in which to operate and a fairly limited budget, whyever would you want to spend even $100 on something? They could've made good use of those cameras simply by taking pix of pets 'n their people (you know... PetSmart does these every year with Santa). I'd pay $10 for a pic of me 'n my kids, in a park setting. (Of course, I wouldn't be taking my felines to the park, but you know what I mean.)

No matter what, I am SOOOO glad she's gone. She has bothered me more than anyone else. I kept thinking she had a Napoleon complex, but never could quite figure it out.

And how the heck does she think she's a "great attorney" if she's not been practicing???? She may MAKE a great attorney, but she's NOT one yet. Ego... <sigh>

Oh yeah... Katie Couric's interview with her. Caught up with it on the Web last night. I was totally LOL! Either Katie doesn't like the show or she really didn't like Stacy. And I suspect the latter. She really didn't hide her feelings well! Hee hee <snicker> <snort>!

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 10:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
ITA that Stacy didn't know when to shut UP! They stopped listening to her endless yammering from the very beginning 'Let's Get To Know Each Other' session there on the couch. And she was totally clueless.

Altho, I was surprised that Wes did still take the time and effort to check out the costume idea - instead of merely blowing her off - given how short of time and late start that they had.

Much as I'm tickled to see Stacy Muzzled, I think the Katie "You Asked Me to Ask..." comment was unkind. No matter how much she disliked Stacy it was like using her position to make a fool out of a guest. Stacy may have considered her school projects of 'arguing the legal stuff' to be her so called "Lawyering" experience - exaggeration is so easy these days to check out. Embarrassing, give the girl a D!

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 10:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Questions that I have: Just before DT told Stacy she was fired, she said something like 'if I could just become a PM..'. Sure, she was in the middle of getting a slew of criticism, not a good time to ask for a promotion. But at that moment, DT's & Caroline's eyes bugged out at the PM request.

I'm fairly new in watching this, but don't the teams themselves randomly pick/draw straws for who gets to be PM each week (before the next challenge is even revealed, so they can't just pick&choose the winning projects)? I didn't think that DT or Caroline have any choice in who is PM, is that correct? Given the short life span of PMs each week, does it seem like there's a bit of reluctance to get the job - so that if Stacy had eagerly stepped up to the plate in the past, wouldn't she likely have already gotten the job?

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 10:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Stacy may think she's a 'great attorney' based on her law firm performance the past couple of summers (& maybe p-t). She has probably been 'arguing' through writing briefs. The distinction between student associates & 'practicing' associates is very blurred in this field & students are called 'lawyers' by lawyers & professors all the time. Its the smallest of white lies that she hasnt been technically sworn in yet to practice law imo... she'll probably be sworn in next month.

Carlito
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03-26-2004

Monday, October 25, 2004 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I watched the last episode Saturday as well and was so disappointed.I smell false advertising and
the old bait and switch tactic.DT and NBC have advertised they would show extended BR scenes on the extended episode and havent done so for the last few extended episodes.They are rerunning episodes at least 3-4 times a week complete with advertising commercials.
I dont know about you guys but i take this as insulting. Lets all let them know they are not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes and until they resume with the extended episodes we will not be watching the other rerun episodes!!!!!


Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, October 25, 2004 - 8:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If I was Jen I would have picked people to be on my team that I could make work for me but that I also could easily outshine in the boardroom. That is one reason that I think she kept Ivana, who has already been put down by Trump and is not likely to make it to the end. I think she has been keeping a low profile but carefully evaluating all the other women to see their strengths and their weaknesses. Isn't it better to be the strongest player in a weak group than just "one of the gang" in a stronger group?

(I probably didn't word this well but hopefully you get my point.)

Upstate
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01-16-2004

Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
stacie was clueless about how ineffective her constant talking was. but it doesn't surprise me katie couric was rude. i haven't been able to watch her for years. it's like when she feels sorry for you. she will lean in and whisper and turn her head sideways and pity you. lol but she drips of sarcasim when she wants to get across she dislikes the person or what they stand for. to me that is the worse kind. she is a tv personality imo. i don't view her as a journalist.

from the beginning i have never gotten the reasons for the firings. some are on the present loss. some are judged on previous participation. they are very inconsistant.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You're right Bis. Except for when the opposite sex was designated as PM in the beginning, and when Pamela went back over to the women's team, the teams themselves pick the PMs. That's why both Donald and Carolyn look surprised, I think. It's quite obvious that Stacy never volunteered to be PM (especially since the PMs have been getting fired pretty consistently). She probably would've only had to raise her hand and volunteered, and been taken up on the offer by the other women.

Roxip, I understand completely what you meant. An interesting thought, too!

Upstate, I think some of the firings also deal with lack of respect from team members. I mean, how can you make someone CEO if no one on the team respects that person? Some of the PMs have been fired for making bad decisions (not bringing in "friends" or favored people -- who'd obviously made mistakes during the challenge -- into the BR. But technically, I do think that past performances should be taken into consideration. It works both ways... if someone's been doing a really great job (for example, Kelly) but then messes up one challenge, I'd be inclined to take past performance into consideration and give him/her a break. Sorta like you're allowed to have one bad day, y'know? <grin>

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Monday, October 25, 2004 - 5:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thank you folks for giving the input. I've never watched Katie, frankly, and now don't think I'm going looking for her show.

Costacat, that REALLY helps! I'm getting so hooked, can't believe I didn't listen to friends and start watching this sooner.

Funny, last week at the grocery cafe line, I was telling my sister about the Fashion Show stuff. The lady from the bakery, ahead of us in line, had clearly been listening to me chat then she got a really dismayed look. So I asked if she was watching. Yes, but she had to miss that segment couldn't get off work in time. So the next day I took her the VCR tape, and she was totally thrilled. I figure she was a young woman and THAT was one episode a woman wouldn't want to miss. LOL It was a much-used tape, but I made sure to watch the show a 2nd time before giving it to her. You folks talking strategies have got me so hooked!

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Monday, October 25, 2004 - 5:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Today's the day, Monday's Business section! I've started reading this article even before Dear Abby. One thing I find most interesting, is that this teacher zeros in on many of the same thoughts the TVCH posters here have ALREADY commented about:

'Apprentice' 101: Team makeovers highlight importance of temperaments

By MAUREEN MORIARTY
SPECIAL TO THE POST-INTELLIGENCER
Monday, October 25, 2004
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/196581_theapprentice25.html

The seventh episode of "The Apprentice" began with Donald Trump doing a corporate reorganization of the remaining 12 candidates. He broke up the men against the women dynamic by asking each team's project manager to choose new teams by first selecting whom they did not want on their team. The deck was shuffled and the new teams were given the task of creating a "dog business" to sell in New York's Central Park. Highest profits would determine the winner.

The recap: Mosaic's team chose a dog-washing service at one location. They got off to a late start and failed to capitalize on the prime dog-walking lunchtime hours. They posted a pathetic profit score of $122 (my 11-year-old son could have done better). Apex diversified their "dog makeovers" service, adding doggie massage with two locations, and put $307 up on the scoreboard. Trump fired Mosaic loudmouth Stacy the debater, telling her, "You are always complaining, and when you fail to sell your idea, you blame Wes."

The following are lessons learned from my armchair quarterbacking of the seventh episode:

First Downs

Corporate restructure.


Trump made a wise decision to restructure the companies. Although the women's team had begun to gel in the last episode, they had clearly demonstrated an inability to collaborate effectively.

Change is inevitable. According to Price Pritchet, more than half of all U.S. companies restructured in the 1990s. Leaders must continually analyze how to structure their organizations and teams to make the most of their potential. When conflict, plunging profits or underperformance are issues, restructuring can be a good option. One thing is for sure, companies that refuse to change and adapt will be ill-equipped to succeed in this complex fast-paced global marketplace.

Analyze strengths and weaknesses of a new team.

Jennifer, project manager for the new restructured Apex team, began by asking her team members to assess each other's strengths and weaknesses. Recognizing she lacked a direct perspective of these new team members, she asked them to assess each other to get an objective view. She then used this information to place her team members in roles that played to their strengths.

Inevitably on teams, different personality types will affect team performance. Wise leaders take the time to help team members assess communication styles and preferences. This allows team members an opportunity to understand where other team members are coming from, particularly when conflict emerges. There are several good assessment options for leaders and their teams to learn more about each other's behavior styles and preferences, including the Myers Briggs Type Indicator or the Thomas-Kilman conflict mode instrument.

One bad apple can spoil the entire box.

Leaders of business or football teams know that occasionally you have a rotten apple on the team -- someone with a bad attitude who is not a team player. Some people just don't play well with others. Leaders can fail their teams by allowing a bad apple's behavior bring down the morale and performance of the entire team. There are times when leaders must make hard decisions. Wes needed to get rid of Stacy. Her attitude had great potential to destroy his team.

Penalty Flags

Ownership.


Stacy was fired by Trump for her failure to take responsibility for her inability to persuade others on her team. In business and life, our ability to take responsibility and ownership for our piece is important to resolving conflict and working effectively with others.

Attitude, attitude, attitude.

Stacy's attitude had truly gone to the dogs. In this episode, she barked that she "wasn't a dog person." She doesn't appear to be a people person either. She constantly complained, blamed everyone else, interrupts others, talks over people, never took personal responsibility, debated everyone, demonstrated she was a poor listener and lacked emotional intelligence. Need I go on? Perhaps most important, she lacked the most crucial component of business and leadership success: a positive attitude.

By the way, Chris' attitude stinks too. Instead of offering better solutions, he bitterly dubbed his team's business strategy as "frigging nuts" (he has such a way with words!) and complained about the demeaning tasks he had to perform on dogs, "it was so degrading." Instead of pumping the team up when their sales were slowing down, Chris tells his team, "We're gonna lose." Would you choose this man to lead your team to victory? Whatever happened to, "When the going gets tough, the tough get going?" The true test of leadership is performance in tough times, not just good times.

Ivan Misner, best selling-author of "Masters of Success," spoke before business leaders of BNI (Business Networking International) in Seattle about the importance of attitude to business success. People aren't promoted who have lousy attitudes. One of the most important things to assess in a potential new hire or new team member is attitude because leaders can't effectively change an individual's core beliefs or personality. Aptitude can be trained, attitude cannot.

What does your target market value?

Mosaic lost despite using cause-related marketing by tying their profits to a charity. They originally attempted to tie into a New York firefighters charity. Cause-related marketing is a great way to show positive public support, but to maximize this advantage the charity or cause should be tied either to the product or the preferred charities of your target market. Surprisingly, Mosaic selected "Kitty Kind," a cat charity that lead to the greatest quip of the show by Trump, "The last thing dogs want to know is that they are helping cats!" Trump has a sense of humor after all!

Open learning.

Trump gave Stacy the feedback, but she still doesn't get the ownership concept. After being fired, she was interviewed in the taxi still determined to blame others. "Wes (project manager) tried to pin our loss on me; I was trying to help him, but I have learned a lot." Apparently not.

The No. 1 lesson Stacy should have learned from this experience is that she needs to take personal responsibility and accept accountability. In the same breath that she brags about her learning from the show, she gives us clear evidence she really didn't get it. To succeed in business and leadership, being an open learner is absolutely critical. Stacy proved she was unable to learn from her mistakes.

Stacy should go back to being a lawyer. But wait, aren't lawyers also judged on their ability to persuade?

Touchdown in the boardroom:

Wes scored a touchdown in this boardroom. Finally a project manager takes a) the right people into the boardroom; and b) clearly tells Trump the logic behind the decision. When asked by Trump who he would take into the boardroom, he said Kelly and Sandy did a great job, and since Maria had immunity, that left him with Andy and Stacy.

In a great strategic play in the boardroom, Wes allowed Stacy to hang herself with Trump. My guess is that he knew her mouth would succeed at this task. Wes refused to get caught up in Stacy's emotional outbursts and didn't get hooked into her blaming, negative rants.


ABOUT THE SERIES

What can real-world business leaders learn from the popular NBC series "The Apprentice"? That's the question the Seattle Post-Intelligencer posed to Maureen Moriarty, who uses the show as a teaching tool in her Bellevue Community College course. She'll try to answer that each week on Mondays through the show's regular season.

Maureen Moriarty is a professional accredited executive coach, corporate leadership trainer, team facilitator and founder of Pathways to Change. She is teaching a continuing education leadership course based on "The Apprentice" for Bellevue Community College.