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Dipo
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04-23-2002

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 7:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hey guys, I at least need to know who gets fired!!! Won't see the show until the weekend but have to be informed.

Any information would be appreaciated!!!!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Me, too! Me, too! Me, too!

Hellooooooo????

Anyone out there to give us a hint, just a teensy little inkling, of what went on tonight?

What was the challenge? Which team lost? Who got to hear those dreaded two words "... you're fired!"????

Keepers
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03-31-2003

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 7:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I only caught the last couple minutes of board room. Chris was fired.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh darn. Oh poop. NOT!!

Yippee! He was really getting on my nerves, so I'm glad to see him go. Although... let's see... Maria could go. Ivana could go. And I'd still be happy! <grin>

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Coata, the teams had to sell bridal dresses. The winning team got a HUGE reward...the team got to spend $50,000 at the jewelry store that Trump got his fiance's engagement ring from. Chris, the PM of the losing team, got the boot.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 8:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow! The PMs are really getting the axe this season. Almost every single PM on the losing team has gotten fired!

What a HUGE reward, Wilson!!! HUGE!! And how fun!

Thanks for the update. I can go back to work now, at peace, knowing a teensy bit of what happens tonight!

Peeper
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06-14-2004

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tonight was a totally disappointing night of reality tv. first survivor and then this.

I really wish I could smack Carolyn when she is being witchie...especially tonight when she said that Sandy's previous experience in the Bridal retail business did not help the other team. To me it seemed that Sandy's team gained alot from her knowledge.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 9:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree, Peeper. It was true that both teams were equal in terms of the actual stores, but Sandy put her team over the top with that Love Knot idea (was that the name of it?). The whole project felt lopsided. Still, Apex could've put more thought into how to reach their target with the marketing.

I felt bad for Andy still getting disrespected by his teammates. However, I was glad to see that even Trump now recognizes that Jennifer keeps skating by. It was nice to see them all get along this time, though.

Highlighter
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09-03-2003

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 9:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Peeper, you are not kidding! The *entire* reason Sandy's team one was that she knew how to advertise to-what was it?-10,000 NY women overnight via a specific bridal website.

If there was one redeeming thing, for me, in this episode, it was Trump's comment that he recognized how Jen has been flying under the radar and getting away with it, and that he chastized Chris for not including her in the boardroom (because she hadn't been any better than the other two).

Does this show seem much more competetive than the last season, or is it just the editing showing these contestants being more backstabbing, conniving, and b*y?

<nd>

Highlighter
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09-03-2003

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 9:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Doh, I know how to spell......"Sandy's team *won*".....

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 9:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think its obvious DT set Chris up to fail with this one (not that I care)

So nice to see <nd> Jennifer knocked off her pedestal. I am hoping DT is seeing something in Sandy... I always liked her.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Highlighter-FYI, you have 10 minutes to edit your post if you click on that first "E" icon right past the date and time line...

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 10:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What a brutal episode. All I had to do was watch the first ten minutes, to know the outcome. The ONLY hope I had for not falling for the foreshadowing, was Wes's accident costing them a bunch in damages.

What a COMPLETELY unfair competition.

I have to agree with Peeper, this was a big waste of a night in reality TV. Grrrr.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 10:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
No complaints here -- I thoroughly enjoyed watching the Apprentice. I think Chris's entire attitude stunk! Their "expert" gave some awesome advice -- and I'm betting had they asked her about marketing, she'd have known about the web site too!

Chris annoyed me to no end, so I was thrilled to see him fired. What kind of professional businessman goes to meetings with vendors in SHORTS??? This seemed especially "dense" when he was meeting with vendors whose entire business is based on "presentation" of product! Would you want to give your inventory to a man in shorts who had such a sour look on his face?

(I confess...I enjoyed Survivor too! Guess after dealing w/ teens for 12 hours EVERY single day this week, escapists TV is for me! LOL

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 11:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought Chris needed to go.

Once again Maria makes a major blunder but skates by because she's on the winning team. Allowing that email to go out without critical information was Maria's fault and THEN she lied about it.

It was 23,000 future brides that they were able to contact via TheKnot.com, at least as quoted in the program tonight.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 11:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Uggh... I see nothing redeeming about Maria.

Fabnsab
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08-07-2000

Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 11:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This show was boring. We knew the outcome the first 10 minutes. I don't think it was an unfair advantage though because Raj was in real estate and it didn't help him and noone thought it was lopsided for him that week.

The challenges put forth all the basics of good business. This challenge had nothing to do with the bridal industry. It had to do with organization, marketing, and research. If the losing team had these things in surplus then Sandy would not have made a difference. Anyone can get online and find The Knot. Its not hidden. Neither are any of the other wedding sites. They failed. Plain and simple.

I am so sick of Maria and her fluttering eyelashes when she is caught in a mistake. I am sick of Kelly and his high handed management style who thinks hes Gods gift to leadership.

This show is getting on my nerves. Andy is the only likeable one to me.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, November 12, 2004 - 8:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have to admit, I finally saw something I liked in Sandy last night, for the FIRST time in the series. I liked when she pulled Kelly outside and blew off a bit of steam. However, this task was DEFINITELY her pride and joy. A most definite advantage.

Theknot.com may be OUT THERE on the internet for anyone to find, but being in the bridal industry, and dealing with enough women, you would find out from talking to your customers WHERE they go most often for their information. If 9 out of 10 women coming in to Sandy's store say things like "well I saw on theknot.com that....", then you would know that it is the BEST site to go to, and gets the most traffic. As well, how would the other team know about the discontinued dresses, vs. regular stock for an expo?

To say that Raj had an advantage in "real estate" is not necessarily true. Real estate is a pretty umbrella term, and I am not sure it applies to what Raj does in real life. Isn't he involved in real estate on a way larger scale? Why would he know that 4 small bedrooms are better in the suburbs, etc?

Chris was pathetic in this task. This surprises me because he was so cocky last week, and knowing that he was TOLD to lead this week by Trump, you'd think he would be busting his butt to prove himself, rather than giving up so quickly. He HAD to know that his butt was on the line. Did he really think that "this was an unfair challenge" was going to excuse his team's loss? Why wouldn't he even DELEGATE to other team members, to at least defer some of the blame come boardroom time? This kind of stupidity was frustrating to watch.

Does anyone think Maria looks like one of those baby-dolls I had when I was little, where the eyes automatically closed when you laid them down, and when the doll was upright, the eyes were wide open? I think that whenever she does those wide blinks. I loved that she got caught in her lie last night. Shame!!

I thought the way Andy's team blatantly denied his interest was downright rude. I think Andy would contribute more to the team than Maria or Sandy, or both of them combined. He's gung-ho and wants to try. It's a shame that the team probably won't ever cooperate with him. It's inevitable that he will be booted soon.

Does anyone really believe that Jennifer sucks? I personally think she does a good job no matter what task she is on. Maybe I've missed an episode somewhere, but I think she's good. I don't understand why Trump was saying he might have fired her last night. I think she was a good contribution. Kevin and Ivana's securing of help from that woman was good too. Chris was the weak spot on that team for sure.



Carlito
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03-26-2004

Friday, November 12, 2004 - 8:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I totally agree with you FABNSAB and Seamonkey regarding Maria and Kelly.It was about time someone called Maria out about her deceit and lying regarding her contribution and mistakes. Kelly is too full of himself and so far hasnt brought anything of substance to the table.
I thought Sandy saved their behinds last night and if it wasnt for her they would have been in the same situation as Chris' team.

Honest,Chris sucked and deserved to fired.There was no need to bring anyone else in the BR.Chris failed because he had zero organization and planning skills for a business plan,lacked professional sales skills and customer relations skills, and definately did not understand the basic premise of leadership being able to motivate a team,exhibit leadership by example,and
had no vision or idea of how to tactically or strategically attack the project and assign tasks
based upon the strengths of the team.

I was finally impressed with Jen and Ivana last night because Ivana is a worker.She does not deserve to be the apprentice but she will compete tasks.Jen comes across as very polished and showed
great customer relations skills.The same with Kevin.The main reason the team lost was Chris did not understand he needed to understand their market and did not think of assigning someone to develop a target marketing strategy. The team did all the work without any input from Chris.Where were the marketing people on the team or did they let Chris dig his own hole to climb into?Hmmmmm?

Phase2
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04-21-2004

Friday, November 12, 2004 - 10:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"Does anyone think Maria looks like one of those baby-dolls I had when I was little, where the eyes automatically closed when you laid them down, and when the doll was upright, the eyes were wide open? I think that whenever she does those wide blinks."


OMG, I almost died laughing. Hilarious!
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Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Friday, November 12, 2004 - 11:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Eeyoreslament, I think what they have all begun to feel about Jennifer is that she's all show and no substance. When Chris brought up how the vendors said she'd make a good salesperson, Carolyn pointed out that with only two dress sales all day she couldn't be that good. I haven't really seen her do anything above average since she took over the demonstration in the QVC project, and even then the board complained that she didn't take initiative to do anything beyond that. It's easy to not have any big blunders on your record if you're not taking risks. What she's good at is deflecting negative attention onto other people, and convincing PM's not to even consider her for the boardroom.

Hey, does anyone think Trump may fire the last three Apex members next week? I was thinking about that preview and then remembered when Carolyn joked "Send them all home."


Appletalk
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03-27-2003

Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 1:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What I find annoying is that Kelly as project manager is exempt next week - even tho he is not really the one that led the team to victory - it was I think Sandy. To me this happens all to often the P.M. sucks the rest of the team not wanting to loose pulls together and sometimes comes up with the win. Maria (I agree with the above poster about her looking like the doll from our childhood) has straight out lied twice and gotten away with it. Jen M stays under the radar and she has not yet been P.M. I think she is going to be criticized by Donald Trump for this as soon as he gets an opportunity. These people aren't getting the picture that Project Managers are being fired for making wrong choices on who to bring to the boardroom. Oh well just may rambling opinion.

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 1:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Eeyore -
I was also thinking that Sandy's team might lose because of Wes' accident! Additionally, the way the dresses were tossed around the back of the truck, and the way the guys were handling them, I though for sure they were going to take some big losses there!

I don't think Jen sucks. I thought she was a good PM. I don't find her to be nearly as backstabbing as many of the others. And she (like Kevin) didn't go along with that "mob mentality". She was the only one that didn't jump on the "Stacy J is crazy - she needs to go" bandwagon.
She may not be the best, but I think others are worse than her.
Maybe I'm just not remembering things in regards to her.

Maria definitely needs to go. This is the 2nd time she screwed up her responsibility (remember the Crest printing debacle?). And the blinking eyes drive me nuts too!

Chris - what's up with that mouth?! They criticized Heidi for dropping the "f-bomb"; he cursed like every other word! Didn't matter who he was in the presence of. And what was up with the "this is impossible" (and looking miserable) attitude?
He does not seem very corporate/professional at all.

My impression of Ivana is that she will do the work, but doesn't really bring anything to the table. She was a horrible PM. Plus, it seems like anytime she opens her mouth - it's to make a negative comment about others - and when it's not even necessary. Inappropriate! (DT called her out on it)

Overall, I was pretty bored with this episode. But it was one of the few episodes that I totally agreed with who got fired!

Did anyone else notice that after Chris got fired and did the walk-of-shame, they didn't cut back to Donald talking to George and Carolyn (like when he says "that was easy" or "that was hard")

I wonder if & when they'll bring back people from season 1? Remember at the live finale it was mentioned that some people would be back (or something like that)?

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 2:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Appletalk -
Jen was PM a couple of weeks ago. She was PM for the Doggie Day Care task and won
http://apprentice.tv.yahoo.com/theshow/tasks/episode7.html

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Curlyq...I thought when Carolyn said "send them all home" that those three were all leaving this past show! Did I hear Trump saying there were 5 more weeks left? I think that included this past episode. If so, then there are only 4 weeks left now. If they stay with firing one per week, that leaves too many people, right? I'm not sure about the scheduling...about how much longer the Apprentice has in this season as far as NBC goes.