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Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Friday, September 24, 2004 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Aus10, as it turned out Ivana gave Stacie the task of calling temp agencies to get her out of the way. This came up in the Sat show with the extended Board room footage.

Caroline....that is what I got out of it too. Not good business to have someone everyone dislikes on a team no matter what the reason.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Friday, September 24, 2004 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Stacie J. on the Today Show
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Nerovh
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07-27-2004

Friday, September 24, 2004 - 4:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I found Stacie J's behavior on the first show to be very strange, I can see how the others were uncomfortable and unnerved. But unless there was more that we did not see, I didn't understand all the other women claiming to be afraid and horrified. I do think Stacie was causing more trouble then she was worth, though. When she went to pick up the toothpaste, and she saw how many big boxes there were, the woman said that she had told Stacie the dimensions of the boxes, and Stacie blew that off like "Oh, I didn't pay any attention to that," like that information wasn't important at all. I felt that the other women were over the top in the way they talked about her in the boardroom, but I can see why Trump fired her.

Jedisan
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01-11-2002

Friday, September 24, 2004 - 4:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
These women do not KNOW Stacie J, and it was irresponsible of the show to allow several of the cast members (Lil Stacie comes to mind) to "diagnose" Stacie J as mentally unbalanced.
That type of labeling in that forum may effect her down the road. She is a successful business woman after all.
Those women aren't doctors, and I know they sign releases, but geez.
I think Trump did the right thing by firing her because of the team dynamic though.
I know first hand how one person that cannot get along within a team setting can upset the whole cart. It does happen.
Still, I just don't think she has a grasp with stress, I don;t think she is clinically insane, as at least Lil Stacie seemed to imply.
Just my two cents.


Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, September 24, 2004 - 5:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with you Jedi. The other night, Dr. Phil did something even worse when he "diagnosed" a kid as a potential serial killer on his silly prime time show. But at least he has some semblance of psychological knowledge, which is something those young ladies do not have. When they offered their opinions about potential schizophrenia and other personality disorders, I wanted to go Omarosa on them!

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, September 24, 2004 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree, seems to be that Trump owes her an apology for how she was portrayed. He basically kicked her out because the others claimed she was schizophrenic, thus endorsing their view. How is she going to go out there and get a job when she is now the crazy person on the apprentice.

I admit she went a little off on episode one but I think that was just the adrenaline high of being in the game and the first competition. People react differently. After that she was fine. They were all like little lords of the flies, going in for the kill. Only one of the women in the boardroom seemed a little reluctant to join on the crazy bandwagon.

I also think that Trump is meaner this season which is taking away from my enjoyment of this show. I dont want to see people humiliated. I want to see them screw up.

Moondance
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07-30-2000

Friday, September 24, 2004 - 5:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What Jedi, Tish and Maris said:-)

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Friday, September 24, 2004 - 6:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree, too. The whole team hated Omarosa last year, but Trump kept her on--"good" TV, I guess.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Friday, September 24, 2004 - 6:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I see what everyone's saying here... but I really thought Stacie wasnt very convincing defending herself

Since we didnt see everything the other women saw, I dont think its fair for us to judge their assessment. If their accusations were way out of line, then I would have expected Carolyn & George to be all over them.

DT had no choice to fire Stacie under these circumstances, like Carolyn & George nodded afterwards. Employers are legally obligated to keep the workplace reasonably safe & if they are put on notice like this & fail to act then they are leaving themselves open to a lawsuit.

Bottom line also.. I think when Trump had the other two potential firees in the room he felt it wasnt the right time to fire either of them, so Stacie was an attractive alternative. She had more of a history & clearer strikes against her.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 24, 2004 - 7:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My thoughts were along those lines, we only saw what NBC producers chose to show us, but I think DT stayed the course because those women hate each other, they dont agree on anything, but they all agreed that Stacy J went over the top at Mattel, that speaks volumes.......... to me at least and now the reports of stacy at the emmys breaking contract?

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, September 24, 2004 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wondered if maybe they didn't show ALL her crazy behavior because they were protecting her.

The comments the girls made did not fit the behavior we saw.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 3:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I heard her fave card game is crazy 8's :-)

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 5:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow, I guess we need to watch on Thursday AND Saturday. Today's show basically just glossed over the preparation/presentation of the tasks and focused on results and boardroom.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 6:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
So wait, I only caught the last 15 minutes (The Brady Bunch Marathon is on you know!) anyways, was there really 15 more minutes of boardroom? If so, then did they cut 15 mins out of the front part of the show? (in other words how did they add 15 minutes and yet make it a one hour show?)

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 6:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
So the definition of a crazy person is someone who doesn't pay taxes?

Carlito
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03-26-2004

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 6:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Julie they condensed the first 30 minutes and added the additional 15 minutes for the boardroom.
I don't know about most of you here but i was outraged at the way Stacie J had character assination successfully conducted by her team with 2 exceptions.I am also outraged at the way Trump allowed them to gang up on Stacie and the way he accepted it and led them in for the kill by
announcing the responses he wanted verified.He should have first and foremost stayed on point with Elizabeth and Maria and then listened to what people volunteered about Stacie..One of them needed to be fired not Stacie.He should have recognized what was really happening to Stacie and i'm sure as someone else stated he had access to the tapes of her behavior. I have seen this too may times in companies where under performing employees and managers use this tactic to get rid of the person that they feel is their obstacle and preventing them from receiving reward or praise and recognition. It is a very very harmful and damaging thing to do to someone.I know personally because i have seen a person literally destroyed professionally and psychologically by people like that team.You can't imagine the devastation until you witness it firsthand.In one situation that i witnessed,a young woman actually had a nervous breakdown and was committed to an institution.
Trump and the producers should have known better
and if Stacie's behavior was threatening,handle it in a much different way.They sent the message to the team and millions of viewers that such a tactic is acceptable no matter what the underlying causes or issues were. Finally a message was also sent stating that group mentality
can overcome a serious task or skill deficiency such as was the case with Elizabeth, Maria,and Ivana.What do you all think?

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 6:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Carlito-thanks! Also, what/who are your 2 exceptions?

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 9:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Carlito ~ ditto to everything you said as well as those who expressed similar things above. I just saw the show and was very disturbed at how Apex played this out. The only sign I saw of Stacey J acting any differently then anyone else was when the rest had a private meeting in last week's episode without her to discuss getting rid of her. She sensed it and reacted to that just as anyone else would have.

What I found even more disturbing in this episode is that Trump didn't have someone view the tapes from that time period to see if she seriously needed help or not. Instead he just bought into the group mentality and went along with it. The one woman was right when she said Marie is very adept at switching blame over to someone else. Marie should have been gone. Stacey J. should not have even been in the boardroom.

I truly hope she goes back to her business and is very successful because she didn't deserve an exit in this manner.

As a female, there is not woman on this show I like or can root for. A few showed hints of breaking from the group mentality but until they do, there's no one on that team I can root for. How bad is that?

Vsmart
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02-10-2003

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 10:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Last season the contestants were chosen by Trump because they had the potential to work for his company. All of this group were chosen for reality tv drama potential. Did they try out for Survivor first?

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 10:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm confused. One of the women said there had only been one incident.

I remember her freaking out waiting for a decision the first week. I thought she was kinda weird but I chalked it up to nerves.

Last week when the women stopped talking when she walked up, she got into it with - was it Maria or Jen - about whether or not she was going to be put up for firing.

But I don't remember her walking up to each person pointing her finger at them.

I was really liking Maria even though she seemed a little uppity. But since seeing her in the boardroom this week, I wouldn't trust her for a second as a coworker.


Newsanchor
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11-05-2003

Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 8:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Carlito, my husband and I said the exact same thing after seeing this episode! His comment was ..."I can't believe Trump just sat there and let those (expletive deleted--use your imaginations) __________ railroad her."

My thought was that after working in a business that is pretty cut-throat (broadcasting) I know how women can be and was not surprised!

Shelb724
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10-20-2002

Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 8:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i did watch the repeat of thursday's episode (did not watch thursday, but someone taped for me, i haven't watched it yet). IMO--i hope the girls lose (they are not women, they are immature little bratty girls). stacey was doing the right thing, by just sitting there and letting them cat fight. she was the only truly mature woman in all of that infighting. it will be surprising to see if stacey j comes to the final show. if i were her, i wouldn't ever want to see those b*****s again.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 9:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Do they film them 24/7 anyone know? (Cuz maybe they didn't have the finger pointing on tape...?)

Ramsfan
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01-27-2004

Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The only woman I am rooting for is the one who said that Stacie's behavior made her nervous, but that she would vote for Maria (Sandy maybe?)

This whole situation makes me like the guys even more. I really hope the ladies fail miserably on the next task, because after all, who will they blame it on?

Pamela made a smart move by switching teams.

Beachcomber
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08-26-2003

Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
ITA with everyone. I saw Stacie J on the Today Show and on Tony Danza. Both times she presented herself professionally and expressed her shock that DT made his decision based on the team's "assessment" of her behaviour. She stated that she went through a battery of psychological tests before being accepted for the show and passed with flying colors. She said she acted that way to try and motivate the team.

Maybe the Apex team members are too uptight and do not realize that creative thinking requires nuttiness and fun at times to stimulate new ideas. She defended herself very well and in the end DT is the one that looks like an idiot on this firing.

However, if there is footage that we are not being shown that shows her to be physically and verbally threatening to the team, then I think DT should have stated this and fired her. But don't leave it vague for the viewer to speculate.