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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 10:13 pm
Agree, Tana fell a bunch in my book tonight. Not impressed with her comment about immunity or her trying to take over the presentation. I wonder if that kind of stuff has happened throughout and we are just seeing it now? Bren's always about sex: cucumber commercial and babes on the cars. No. I like Craig. I would have wanted to move on too. That would have infuriated me. Kendall irritates me. She did an awesome job on the brochure and presentation. But that voice and the way she deal with people isn't all that good. I wonder, aren't Craig and Tana on the street smarts team? Neither of them were up for an all nighter. I wonder if it is their age compared to Kendall's or not having done allnighters in college? Or if that makes any sense? Chris seemed okay, yet he is young, while Alex needed a nap. Alex is terrible. He should have been fired last week, and Angie should still have been there. I don't feel strongly that any of them can do a great job. Compare them to Kwame, Amy, and Bill? They are no match.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 10:17 pm
I've never been a Tana fan ... I've felt that she was fake and a poser. Tonight's show just emphasized that to me.
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 10:25 pm
Tana has done well in some of the tasks. There were 2 things that got me tonight about her though--and to me they are things to remember about not wanting to work with someone: 1) she gave up and went to bed because she was safe (at least that was the reason she gave) 2) she acted in such a way during the presentation that it looked like she was trying to get them to think she had done the work on the presentation. I hate it when someone tries to take credit for someone else's work. It says so many things--and causes so many problems. Also to quit because you are safe and can't get fired--that shows the trait of looking out for yourself only, and not caring much at all about your team mates. Again, a real issue with me in a work setting. I think Net Worth picked really crappy pictures--some of the ones they showed from the outside shots were very striking photos. And I also believe Bren was correct in saying to put a closeup picture of that tag of the car on the cover--it would have been areal draw to turn the page and continue--and Kelly fell through on that--and used the excuse of not enough time?? Geez
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 10:29 pm
You mean Alex fell through, right? That whole excuse they didn't have enough time didn't make sense. What DID he get pictures of? It seemed like nothing!}
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 10:43 pm
Jen--sorry, you are correct--Alex fell though on getting the shot of that artist's rendition on that metal tag.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 10:47 pm
Alex was the one who got pictures of the babes, the models, didn't have time to get interior shots of the car.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 11:15 pm
Dang, I just deleted tonight's show from my DVR, but didn't their commercial have one shot WITH a "babe"? And didn't they have a closeup of the red triangular logo that they made fun of on the cover of the loser's brochure? Clearly the winning brochure was far superior. The two shouldn't have left her to do the work, although to be honest, if you are doing a job like that and are on a roll, it is often much better to ditch the rest of the people and just DO it. And as a team leader it is always a good idea to know the work styles of your group. Tana did seem to just take over the presentation by stealth, but she did a fairly good job and at least she has some sleep.. too bad she didn't spin it at 3am like.. ok.. I'll go get some sleep but I'll also prepare the presentation.. Chris was overdue to go.. George and Carolyn let Trump know this loud and clear, too!
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 5:08 am
I agree with the criticism of Tana already stated. I have thought for awhile it would be Kendra and Tana in the end and Kendra tipped the scales to her side last night. It surprised me that the men did not know that a car brochure is all about pictures; no one reads the text. You look to see what colors it comes in too, something Kendra left out. I also found it odd that the men thought a picture of the logo would have been a great cover photo. No, it wouldn't. No one cares about a logo. The dad in Trump came out last night when he saw Chris' tears. Sweet. Very kind of him to call him over, shake his hand and send him on his way with positive words. That impressed me; he has been so harsh with Chris for weeks now. Kendra has a chip on her shoulder and did not handle her team well at all. Establishing a time line is crucial. She wanted creative control and was probably thrilled to be doing the brochure on her own. It never would have gotten completed efficiently with two others giving feedback over her shoulder. She also spent too much time viewing the pictures knowing she had the ability to stay up all night. No time crunch for her. I am not fond of Kendra, at this point, and disappointed that Tana dropped from grace. She was my favorite.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 5:22 am
I thought it was more like 1am when Tana and Craig bailed? I don't think I would have felt as annoyed with them if it was already 3am, but I'm not sure now! I was also surprised at the poor team work and seeing Trump's soft side.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 6:36 am
LOL Jen you did hear that he took well over 100 pictures right? You did see the models/girls?? My thought is he focused more on the sex appeal of the girls (ala auto shows) than the car itself... I'm not able to get online at night, comcast is really bugging out on us!!
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 7:25 am
I practically yelled the word "WHAT" so loud it was heard across the street, when I heard Craig say "WE" did really good on this task. I could not believe how much Craig has stonewalled Kendra, in this and other tasks. He apparently doesn't like her, for whatever reason, and apparently has no desire to hide his dislike of her. It seems he is ALWAYS disagreeing with everything she says...no matter what she says. He is majorly critical of any of her ideas, its almost like he writes them off two seconds before she gets to express them. What is up with that??? Yes, Craig was able to turn his team around and get them to work with him. But he wasn't dealing with other "Craigs". I honestly believe there is absolutely nothing Kendra could have said or done that would have gotten Craig on board with her ideas. He definitely has it in for her. Tana suprised the heck out of me last night. I didn't care much for her "teamskills" early on, but I've come to respect her postive attitude and marketing talents. But I'm willing to give Tana the benefit of the doubt, because anyone can have a bad day. Craig on the other hand appears to be having a bad 14 weeks.... (I mean when it comes to Kendra) Watching Trump last night reminded me of the DT from previous shows. In previous boardrooms on past seasons, Trump always seemed to get his point across before while still managing to not make the people feel like total losers. I do not care for the "dramatic" Trump of this season, and was so glad to see evidence of the old Trump I've come to know and like a lot!!! Now that Chris is gone, the only player I don't care for is Craig... I hope Trump sends him packing next.
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Sassynegal
Member
01-21-2005
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 7:39 am
I almost felt bad for Chris last night. You can tell he took the whole experience to heart. As far as the Kendra vs. Tana/Craig thing I still go back to when Alex, Bren & Kendra were all together and in my mind they treated the two of them as if they weren't good enough so I understand why they don't like Kendra and made things hard on her. Not that I think it's right and I was yelling at Tana ( my fav till this point) to pull her head out and do the right thing. I think as we get closer to the end they are editing some of the previous superstars in a more negative light so we don't like them as much and are ok with it when they get fired. I remember in the first Appr when Troy was the superstar and a few weeks before he was fired they were always showing the negative interviews about him, or his screw ups and no more positive stuff. IMO
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 7:46 am
Even though they were on the losing team, I am not overly fond of Alex nor Brin. Neither one of them have "all that" and what it takes to fill the shoes of an apprentice, in my opinion. I think Tana was edited to come across badly last night. Quite frankly I had a real problem with Kendra and her style. She had a good idea and was able to carry it out but she is not a leader nor a team player. She doesn't have the people skills and always looks oh, so pouty and like a spoiled little girl that didn't get her way. She did a great job on the brochure and for that I am glad. However, I am not so sure I've seen her do "great" jobs on other projects; not consistent. Alex is looking weaker and weaker to me and Brin doesn't have enough common sense to pull this off. Doesn't leave many more to consider, does it?
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Sassynegal
Member
01-21-2005
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 8:03 am
Gosh will we see a 2 female finale??? Tana and Kendra??? That could be interesting.
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 8:08 am
I have to disagree with the comments about Tana stealing the spotlight - I say that because to me, the only place we get that thought from is because Kendra said it, not because we actually saw it happen. IN MY EYES, we just saw Tana start to talk to the execs as she does a lot of the time, and Kendra saw it in a biased way since she thinks its all her project and if Tana and Craig talked about it it meant they were trying to take the credit - but the truth is, they were trying to SELL THE PRODUCT - that is the role of the team and just because you talk about a project doesn’t mean you are taking the credit - not to mention you ACT LIKE A TEAM when presenting - you don’t try to direct the glory or blame on anyone during a presentation - you act like it was completed by the team and that everyone is in support of it, win lose or draw.. that is what Tana was doing and in my mind, that was the piece Kendra failed on - by focusing on her own work instead of focusing on the brochure itself because at the end of the day that is all that matters - if they were to ask who wrote the text, who did this, who did that, then give direct answers and give Kendra the credit but when you walk in as 3 people, you act like a team in the presentation because if you don’t it makes the work look questionable, no matter how good the outcome was. The other thing is. We don’t know if it was decided how to do the presentation - we don’t know if they had decided to do it as 3, if they decided for Tana to start off, if Kendra was supposed to start or if no decision had made at all (which if so, is bad management) - it would be one thing if they had decided for Kendra to start the presentation and Tana started talking but that doesn’t seem to be the case - we would have heard or seen if that decision had been made - but I just think Kendra was proud of her product (as she should be) but she was also possessive of it and felt like only she could explain it and that the spotlight should ONLY be on her - when as I said before, the spotlight needed to be on the brochure and to me, that is what Tana was doing - putting the focus on the product! but that is just my view
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 8:08 am
I really hope the wheels fall off the Tana bandwagon after last night. I have said quietly from the beginning she is over-rated and that she is her own biggest fan. "I don't pull all nighters". You are on the Apprentice, shooting for this incredible job and opportunity. You should be willing, for a brief period of time, to walk across burning coals to reach that goal and prove you are worthy. Kendra is fiesty and just the type of person that we love in business. It needs to get done, so I will do it whatever it takes. You can have your meetings, timetables, and strategy sessions and spend the day with those. I will achieve results. It is form over substance. Go Kendra. Dalm.
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 8:39 am
Bren and his sexist views really get on my nerves. He implied that the 3 amigos would know more about cars than the guy and "2 chicks." I remember reading that in a couple, it is usually the woman who makes the car buying decisions. I guess Bren was confused since that brochure with the "babe" seemed to be targeting male purchasers only. Not to mention a hum drum brochure with blurry photos. I still like Tana despite her comments. We all know by now that they can get whatever response they want depending on how they direct the question. I like Kendra too and would like both women as the final two. Kendra also made a smart move during the motel task and purchased the furniture at a good price. This was unaired but shown on the yahoo exclusive video.
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Cousin_jake
Member
07-04-2002
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 8:46 am
As soon as I saw that the "boys" had hired models to sit on the car I knew they's lose. Who has sexy women in their brochures these days? Nobody! That car would appeal to as many women as men.
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Gen
Member
08-22-2003
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 8:52 am
I have to agree with Legalboxer about Kendra. It has been implied that Craig and Tana did nothing, which isn't true. Craig managed the photographs, while Tana managed the marketing. Kendra said she had a vision, but to me, she was never able to explain it to her teammates so that they could see the plan. Plus, as someone said, she doesn't seem to be good with managing people. As anyone who has pulled all nighters knows, most of the time it is better to get a few hours sleep. It is far better to be fresh than exhausted. Tana and Craig left around 2:30a, so they did not totally desert her. And, during the presentation, Tana looked and acted far fresher and more alert than Kendra did. JMHO.
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 8:57 am
Legalboxer, you said it very well. Totally agree. (Agree with you too, Gen).
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 9:28 am
Legal, very well said! I would also add that I think Kendra herself did the stealing the presentation thing in the past and maybe she couldn't get that Tana wasn't really stealing anything.. she didn't say "I", she didn't take credit except as a team. Dalm, I guess it depends on what the business is.. I know I always worked best on my own and that worked well for my programming work and maintaining systems, but when we were designing features we had to work well with people in marketing, installation, QA, etc. and no matter how little they "got" what we needed to do for the target customers, we had to work as a team, they had to buy into and own what we were creating, so then it was best for me to take time to work with them so that they were presenting what I wanted them to present, or even making it better.. this isn't always possible, but that is the ideal. If Kendra grows up to be a leader of larger efforts she simply cannot dictate work styles.. she CAN do it but it would be better for her to work WITH the styles. Back when Tana was almost nodding off (if not much sooner) she should have asked Tana and Craig what they WANTED to work on.. or have suggested earlier.. why don't you go work on the presentation; I'll narrow down these scores of photos to a managable bunch.. do either of you have some you really really like? OK, well, do you want me to touch base with you later or should I just do the brochure? Let's spend 5 minutes to nail down our key phrases to make sure I'm going in the same direction as your presentation.. Might not have worked, but just dawdling with three of them sitting staring at those photos might have been fine for Kendra because, as others have noted, she was in it to pull a dramatic overnighter. I DO understand her frustration with them, but her attitude, which has been there all along, wasn't good. She went into the presentation with a winner and good thing that the other team produced a loser..
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 10:10 am
Seamonkey, I have nothing against teamwork. I am just saying that formality over actual work is silly. I had a former boss who was more concerned with meeting agendas and minutes than actual results. We obviously did not get along. Who was known for having work pass through their in-box faster, well take a guess. However, I am the disgrunteled ex-employee. :-P The fact that I am an ex-employee also indicated, Seamonkee, that the leader can dictate work styles. Dalm.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 11:19 am
I watched again and found that Tana was not saying she was not going to pull her weight or work hard on the task because she was exempt. She was exhausted and frustrated and was not going to extreme measures to save the leader. Kendra did no leading at all.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 11:49 am
I forgot to add that it was probably close to 3am when she said that.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, April 15, 2005 - 12:24 pm
How do you know what time it was? People keep saying 3:00 AM. Did they show a clock? What makes you think it was 3:00 AM as opposed to 10:00 PM? I'm not saying you're wrong because I don't know - just wondering what people are basing this on? Thanks.
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