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Tallen
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04-18-2005

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Of coarse none of us will really now the the whole story - due to editing. I have been a total fan of Tana's until this one show. Kendra really did shine in my opinion. From the outset both Tana and Craig seemed to disagree on every idea Kendra had - how can anyone really overcome that. I notice when Craig did one of his little one on one interviews, he commented about the style and theme Kendra was going for, i.e. line item text about emotions. Craig totally knocked it and stated something to the effect of "she's not going to just have a couple of highlighted words and a little bit of text". Which is exactly what they did and was a great piece. I have a feeling that Craig would have done something like what the "guys" did - long drawn out text about the car and the engine size, power, etc.

As for Tana, her comment to Kendra about "proving herself" was really offensive to say to a team leader - especially one that is providing a chunk of creative energy.

Go Kendra!!

Ladytex
Member

09-27-2001

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Welcome Tallen ... be sure to check out other parts of the board, too...

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree fully with the newly De-lurked Tallen...Welcome!!!

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Welcome Tallen! I agree with your perspective on this (though I’d welcome you anyway if I didn’t!).

Sure, Tana and Craig must have done something to occupy their time during this task. The real question is how useful it was and how relevant it was to the final product.

Based on what they showed us, Kendra was responsible for every important winning element of this task. She came up with the original idea (which Tana and Craig opposed). She actively participated in the market research. She outlined the pictures that they should capture. She was responsible for the final design of the brochure (you could see that they completed the outline of the brochure after Tana and Craig had left). She did the writing (obviously, because it was written the way Kendra had originally proposed which Tana and Craig thought was a bad approach). She selected the final pictures (the others had left). She included a spot for the CD and business cards (the others didn’t think that was a good idea). She finished and approved everything. It is the final product that counts.

Sure Tana and Craig did something but Kendra was clearly responsible for the success of the project. As far as Kendra’s qualities as a PM and leader, I think that Craig and Tana were impossible for her to manage, no matter what she did. They were deliberately setting her up to fail, by being completely uncooperative from the start. Again it was obvious from Tana’s comments about Kendra “proving herself” before she left that she felt that Kendra was not up to the task whereas Kendra has excellent qualifications. I think that she caught them completely off guard with her incredible drive and success and it should be interesting to see what happens this week.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lexie sits next to Jimmer...

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Why thank you Lexie. Have a seat!

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
... I don't know guys.. Big difference between a control freak and a good leader.. Me thinks Kendra be the former, rather than the latter.

A good leader needs to delegate and oversee.

And as far as the other two not busting their humps to make Kendra look good, hey, Trump's not looking for the best darn good little helper.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe Kellirippa, but since Tana and Craig didn't hang around to be the "leadees" as it were, we will never really know for sure...

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think a good leader should have been able to entice them to hang around.. When they were leaving I didn't see Kendra so much as suggest that might not be a good idea. If she really were boss lady material, I think she would have put her foot down and said, you'll leave when I say you'll leave.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh yeah... And Tana and Craig would have sat down like the well behaved Apprentices that they are??? LOL...these are adults, not wayward teens. If Kendra had tried that tatic, Tana and Craig would have laughed in her face and done exactly what they did...

I agree...Tana and Craig (Craig much more than Tana) purposely tried to set Kendra up for the fall...only it backfired on them. Kendra did try to get them to stay...I distinctly remember Kendra telling Tana she really wanted her input on this project and specifically requested that she stay... but no one can MAKE someone do something they absolutely REFUSE to do... and I don't think there was anything Kendra could have said to those two that would have made a difference. Tana and Craig wanted to go to the boardroom so they could get Kendra fired....

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 1:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I recall when Tana and Craig were leaving (or just before) that Kendra specifically said that she valued their input as team members and wanted to work as a team. It was then that Tana (rather rudely IMO) asked Kendra to explain again what her background was and how she was qualified to do this work and lead the team.

As far as Kendra putting her foot down and saying that they can’t leave, the whole problem with this show is that the PM has virtually no tangible power. They don’t hire anyone, they can’t reward good work, they can’t discourage bad work or disinterest and they can’t fire anyone. If that doesn’t make it hard enough, Trump emphasises this by placing virtually the entire responsibility for success or failure on the PM.

As far as looking for a darned good little helper, unless Trump is planning to report to the winner himself, I would think that might be a factor in his decision?

I’m not dumping all of this on Tana and Craig. I like the way they have performed up until this show. There are some serious personality conflicts that have developed. And that’s understandable. I’m not sure how well I would do if I had to live and compete with my co-workers 24 hours a day!

By the way, I find this a lot of fun to argue back and forth so I hope no one here takes my comments personally. It’s not personal ….. it’s business.

(Well actually it’s all in fun!)

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jimmer I agree with everything you said EXCEPT the part about Craig performing well up until this show. I have't seen anything from him. (Except the toybox.) I think he is very disrespectful to Kendra. Too laid back.

Jami
Member

10-08-2003

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 2:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wouldn't it be great if the winning PM could have the power to take the reward away from someone each task?

Gen
Member

08-22-2003

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Curlyq said on 4-18, 8:32p
Now that I realize the walls in that suite don't go all the way up, and that they can hear into neighboring rooms, I wonder if Tana and/or Craig got wind of that conversation between Alex, Kendra, and Bren about cutting them out.

Curlyq, what was the conversation between Alex, Kendra and Bren about? How did they plan to cut out Tana and Craig? When did this happen?


Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 4:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Trump is offering as a prize for these people the opportunity to run a company for him.. on their own.. independantly.. not make brochures. They need to command respect from their subordinates.. If a contestant on this show can't even get 2 of their roomates to respect them then I don't think they're likely the person to fill the position.

Ok Jimmer..commence with jumping all over my point.

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh Kelli ... that is just too tempting to respond to!

I just find that most of the people on The Apprentice are not very good in support roles. Now you can argue who cares about that if you are looking for a leader, but even leaders ultimately report to and receive direction from someone else (unless they own the entire company). I find it a little disappointing that Trump and the show, place such little emphasis on teamwork and support. The structure of the show makes it very difficult to lead successfully.

That’s an interesting idea Jami. I think that the show would benefit if the winning PM had some way to reward his or her best team performer.

Kelli, I hope I haven’t offended you. Believe it or not some of my favourite people here are ones that I sometimes disagree with.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Gen, I was referring to the conversation in a previous episode. Right before Alex was moved to Net Worth, he pulled Kendra and Bren aside in the suite and the three of them made a pact to stick together against Craig and Tana because they weren't really Magna (in their eyes). I can only guess that this would mean they were planning to hang them out to dry in the boardroom if it came to that, but then both Alex and Bren were pulled to Net Worth leaving Kendra alone with Tana and Craig.

To clarify my comment about last year's restaurant task, my point was that it's about time management, not about hiring out. If their time had been budgeted well and the work delegated properly, they could've gotten the job done and still been rested for the presentation. Maybe the brochure wouldn't have been the exact one Kendra had in mind, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't have been a winner. It's great that Kendra was young enough and on the ball enough to do her presentation without pulling an Angie, but if she had and lost the task because of it you'd better believe Trump would've scolded her for not budgeting her time and delegating more of the work.

For me it goes back to the leadership issue. Kendra's response to Tana and Craig was something like "I appreciate your honesty and I'm offended by it." What? That wasn't the time to complain about hurt feelings. That was the time to remind them that Trump would not be impressed if they left her alone, and that Trump already fired someone else after he took advantage of an exemption.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I liked Tana as well and was surprised at her snotty comment about not having to continue working because she was exempt from Firing.

that is a pretty poor attitude and work ethic, in my opinion.

Csnog
Member

07-18-2002

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 6:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tana and Kendra made snide remarks during filming of the show and both worked well together in other episodes.

We are beating a dead horse based on this episode. Editing takes away knowledge.

We should be narrowing our discussion to who would be the better qualified canditate for the position.

The true test will come during the interview process and the final event plan.

Kendra has less people skills, less screen time until now and has a degree. She has the background Trump is looking for.

Tanya is better with people, persuasive, keeps her teamates inline, and no degree. Her editing may be setting her up to lose.

Craig will need to be PM on the next task. People skills are low and I don't think he makes finals.

Alex's editing is that he is a bumbler. Negative editing.

Bren editing is smarmy. Negative also.

JMO





Gen
Member

08-22-2003

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 7:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Curlyq said on 4-19, 10:11p
Right before Alex was moved to Net Worth, he pulled Kendra and Bren aside in the suite and the three of them made a pact to stick together against Craig and Tana because they weren't really Magna (in their eyes).

Thanks for the info Curlyq! Somehow, I missed that conversation. If Tana and/or Craig overheard this converation it would explain their attitudes toward Kendra and gang.

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Tana and Bren will do the best in the interviews. Bren's whole job is about sounding GOOD spontaneously. I think he will argue his case very well with the interviewers. Tana is a sales person, and I don't think hard questions will throw her or a loop. I think Kendra and Craig will bumble in the interviews, and I am not sure what Alex is like just quite yet.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 11:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I can't remember who goes to the interviews. The final 2, 3 or 4?

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 11:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i think 4.

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yup 4. And two get fired that episode.

Fruitbat
Member

08-07-2000

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks.