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Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK I haven't seen the show, because I am out of town until Tuesday, but here is what I think about the pu$$y issue.

I think when someone say don't be a "pu$$y" it is meant as pussycat. Think of someone you know, who comes off as ferocious to everyone, but you know them better, and you can say "Oh he's just a big ol' pussycat!" That's how I feel that word is used.

I'm all for respect for the ladies (myself included), but not EVERY time that word is used, does it refer to female genitalia, and the connotations of inferiority that some people place with it. The word was originally for a young cat. Geez Louise!!

I may come off as a bit ferocious in my post here, but really if you knew me, I'm just a big ol' pu$$y. <wink, wink!>


Does anyone else see it as unoffensively as I see it?

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I totally agree about the context the word pu$$y - it wasn't meant as a comment on genatalia...it meant you were not standing up for your ideas.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am still hoping we hear the phrase Spy mentioned next week!! and I would really love someone to say it to Trump! LOL

Sweetbabygirl
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08-31-2002

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 12:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thank GOODNESS the weakest link was finally let go....nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

WHY must I see Jen C. next week? Crap!

Anyway, while "Shut up!" was hardly appropriate, I can see why Kevin said it....my gosh, how does she have a business or whatever, with her Sweet Polly Purebread attitude?

As for Andy, I was glad that his team won....I really resent the fact that because he is 22, no one seems to take him seriously; dang, he graduated from HARVARD, for pity's sake!! Kelly turned me off big time with his attitude, and I can't wait for him to be fired. I didn't like Wes for the same reason.

(Signing off now, still drooling over Raj....SHUT IT, COSTACAT!!)

Beachcomber
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08-26-2003

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tish, I noticed Kevin's package a few weeks ago when he answered the early morning phone call in his briefs Somebody call Fed Ex!

Vsmart
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02-10-2003

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This season's show has the same problem as this season's Survivor- lousy casting. Didn't Trump have any input in the selection process? Would he really want any of these people working for him?

Xena
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10-14-2004

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 3:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wouldn't think so Vsmart. Looks like there is no turning back now.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 3:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What I truly dont understand is what the Military idea had to do with 'heart and emotion'. How could anyone think that the brutality of the ad was 'warm and fuzzy'? it was a 'set up' to fail, in my opinion.

On a final note, I've worked with ineffectual people for years. The scarey part is not one of them believes that they have a problem. If something goes wrong it is always someone else's mistake. it is human nature.

At this stage of the season I am unhappy as to how things have gone. The witch-hunt to get rid of Stacey turned my stomach. The little Stacey with the mouth lasted WAY LONGER than she should have in my opinion. Andy should have been gone the week he LOST the cellphone. Absolutely inexcusable. No one would listen to what Elizabeth>?> had to say, then she'd get rattled. It WAS a mutany~!

Who will win this season? I havent got a favourite YET!! sigh


Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 6:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I could totally see why Elizabeth was fired, but I don't agree that she's someone who's used to getting by on her looks. I don't think she's the one who has shown up for assignments dressed like a high-priced call girl. She always presented a professional image. She doesn't have to rely on her looks because according to her bio, she has an excellent mind. She was certainly the only one on that team who saw they were going in the wrong direction.

Her problem in this contest was that she never recovered from the group attack that Kevin and Jenn led against her after Stacy's firing. She's spent the rest of this competition trying to recover from that and regain their respect, which just made things worse.

This morning on Regis & Kelly her comment was that her mistake was delegating the creative part of the project, and that in the real world if her creative team stood against her she could fire them. She's doing very well for herself and getting a lot more consulting jobs because of the show.

On the other subject even though I'm often considered naive, even I know that when someone uses the p word by itself they're not thinking about felines (especially when guys do it). If they did it would be used in a more complimentary way, not as an insult. I've never heard someone say "Don't be a pussycat."

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The only thing that surprised me when Raj used the "P" word was that he was using it towards a woman. I think of it as something guys say to other guys such as "Don't be such a p---y" or "wimp" as Julie said above. For that reason, I thought it just sounded dumb and was glad they left it in because I love it when Raj is shown making dumb statements.

I have no favorites at all this season but like others above, I see Andy in a much better light after this mission. I really don't care for Ivana, Maria or Raj. The only thing I see them as being adept at is dodging bullets when they are the main reason for a team losing a particular mission and for being very skilled at putting negative focus onto someone else in order to avoid any scrutiny of their own shortcomings. Am I the only one bugged by these three and their pseudo intellectual act when in reality they're just good posers?

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did someone say "pu$$y"? Did someone say "Geez Louise!!"
My darling pussykins, Louise, is here at your disposal. louise
Although I admit her Calico hissings/snarlings have sent MANY veterinarians running for the heavy gloves, a petsitter actually called her Schizoid. For me she just squeaks now, but that's a story for the cat thread.

I could understand Kevin's reaction.
Like he said, Eliz already had everyone spend ?13-14? hours coming up with the project. THEN she didn't like it. THEN she had him spend time until 2 in the morning (when he could have been sleeping like everyone else) and coming out saying OH YES, THIS IS IT! THEN later, when he was trying to tell her that she had a mutiny on her hands, it was clear her eyes were spinning towards yet another tangent. spinning

About the only way to get her attention at that point would have been to toss a bucket of ice water at her (IMO, Kevin saying "shut up" was equivalent to ice water. He's ALWAYS been respectful towards everyone, from what I've seen.)

In the boardroom, even though Kevin had the most grievances perhaps, did you notice HE didn't say anything until the end when push came to shove. Kevin's always worked the hardest on other PM's projects to make them a success, clear down to hugging snarling dogs getting their toenails trimmed.

MY opinion is that DT has noticed that Kevin stands up for the little people and doesn't do the backbiting. So, when Kevin came out saying the project was a fiasco, it appeared that's when DT agreed that enough time had been wasted already.


Upstate
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01-16-2004

Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
keven was the only one on his team besides this weeks leader who was working to try and make it a success. he was angier then the others because he had stayed up most of the night coming up with a great idea. and elizabeth flipped on him.

raj is all show. he talks the talk. not the walk. he was disruptive with the clothing design show. didn't really do that much with the dogs. and was down right awful on this assignment. they were given a heads up on what was wanted from them. warm and fuzzy.
the whole don't be a puzzy wasn't a big deal imo. i think these things are said in our society but when you hear them on television it plays differently.



Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
article in NYPost

Elizabeth still doesn't get it shame

I think George and Carolyn would've said how amazing I was on previous tasks," said Jarosz. "They had the ability to see me lead very well."

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 4:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This cracked me up. Check it out.
SAM'S COMMENTARY

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
No extended footage tonight? No repeat at all?

That Sam thing was funny Rslover.


Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 7:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Loved BOTH the articles, Thanks!

I agree with Sam, Maria is about at warm as a 3 day old corpse. Personally, I think Raj is WAY too immature and growing younger by the week. I sure hope Raj & Maria are the next to go!

Did anyone else notice? The music selected by Apex for their military type commercial, sounded just like the music from one of the 9/11 Specials, back then. I think it might have been background music for the story about 2 photographers that were in the process of doing a documentary of an Apprentice Fireman in training for recruiting purposes. When the planes hit the Twin Towers, the Apprentice Fireman was left the only person manning his station and answering phones. The photographers followed the Chief and filmed inside the Trade Ctr. Outstanding documentary.

I could swear it was the same music used by Apex. Definitely nothing warm and fuzzy in their commercial - it just brought up memories of that awful day, no wonder none of the New Yorkers liked it. No wonder DT didn't waste any time firing her!

Jasper
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09-14-2000

Monday, November 01, 2004 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought it was a good ep. It was however the first one that I have disliked Kelly, his attitude towards Andy was demeaning, and Maria was her usual self. It was just as Andy said after the phonecall, they were looking for an out in case they lost. They would have heaped the lack of sex appeal on Andy and said that was why the loss. He was great in how he handled Maria.

It was Wes I beleive who made the remark to Eliz. She looked so shocked to get fired, I couldn't beleive she was surprised. They did go pretty heavy on her though. Kevin I think had reached the end of his tether when he told her to shut up, perhaps it was the only thing he thought she might respond to, although she just continued on.

Next weeks task sounds a little unfair, with the running of a bridal shop, hope Sandy is the pm and loses to Raj, lol.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Monday, November 01, 2004 - 5:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
'Apprentice' 101: Learn a thing or two on passion, vision

Monday, November 1, 2004
By MAUREEN MORIARTY
SPECIAL TO THE POST-INTELLIGENCER Business Section

"A Tale of Two Leaders" was the title of the eighth episode of "The Apprentice." With 11 candidates left, Donald Trump's task of the week for the two teams was to develop a recruitment campaign for the New York City Police Department.

Donny Deutsch of Deutsch Advertising was put in charge of picking the best campaign. Deutsch instructed the teams to develop a campaign that spoke to the "heart and emotions" -- addressing what would make recruits want to serve with New York's finest.

The recap: Mosaic won by a landslide with freshman quarterback Andy as the project manager. The team's ad campaign focused on emotions and heart with slogans such as, "When was the last time you saved a life and made your family proud?"

Apex, under the incredibly weak and indecisive leadership of Elizabeth, presented a campaign based on the fear of terrorism.

Both Trump and Deutsch challenged the wisdom of a campaign designed to scare New Yorkers. Trump fired Elizabeth on the spot, choosing not to waste time with his traditional routine of allowing the project manager to pick other candidates to face potential firing in his boardroom.

This week, picking the loser was a no brainer for Trump and the audience. We can all agree on this one.

The following are lessons learned from my armchair quarterbacking of last week's episode:


Touchdown

-- Leadership with vision, passion, emotional intelligence and backbone.

Andy gets my vote as the strongest candidate and leader this week.

The episode began with Andy returning from the boardroom only to overhear his teammates predicting that he would be the next fired. He said he "felt like the kid who never gets picked to play dodgeball on the team." We all know from football and other sports that underdogs often emerge victorious due to their great resolve and determination to win despite the odds.

Andy overcame his team's lack of confidence in his abilities and led his team to victory. No easy task. How did he do it? He led with vision, passion, emotional intelligence and backbone.

Andy began with a clear vision based soundly on the expectations set by the customer. He led with passion for his own creative idea, and passion breeds courage in a leader.

Even in the face of challenge by his team members, he demonstrated clear authority, influence and confidence that inspired his team to rally behind his vision.

Andy again displayed emotional intelligence.

While under great stress and with little time to shoot a commercial because of bad weather, Andy remained calm and composed. This ability to remain calm under stress is critical for leaders.

Followers need leaders to provide order and protection. Leaders who allow themselves to be "emotionally hijacked" (a phrase coined by Daniel Goleman, author of "Primal Leadership: Realizing the Power of Emotional Intelligence") while under stress are doomed.

Emotional hijacking occurs when our limbic, or emotional, areas of the brain overtake the neocortex, or the thinking brain. Having a leader lose their composure and control can be devastating to a team.

Leaders must be mindful of the impact of their emotions on the team and master strategies to maintain and demonstrate composure under stress. Andy proved he could lead a team, even through a storm.

He also demonstrated that leaders can compromise without giving up control. He was able to maintain a precarious balance of backbone and compromise. He allowed Kelly to give the main pitch but insisted on doing the introduction himself.

He demonstrated maturity by not caving in to another strong leader, but was willing to compromise as a strategy to maintain his leadership.

-- Give your customers what they ask for.

Mosaic won this task because they listened to their customer. Their campaign capitalized on the emotion and heart theme that Deutsch clearly wanted. This counts as a penalty flag for Apex who instead, delivered a fear-based campaign.

Companies who don't listen to their customers will fail. This is not complex, but, surprisingly, many companies fail to master this simple business formula.

Penalty Flags

-- Leadership is influence.

A leadership proverb: "He who thinketh he leadeth and hath no one following him is only taking a walk." This sums up Elizabeth who was a weak, indecisive leader. She failed to influence her team to the point that they were inspired to mutiny.

Successful leadership is about the ability to influence. Just because you have the position of authority does not mean that you are a leader. A leader is nothing without followers. The good news is that influence is a skill that can be developed through coaching, training and experience.

-- Where's the vision?

Elizabeth's failed to communicate a clear vision and direction with conviction and passion.

This was unfortunate for Apex because even though she was opposed to her team's military theme idea (the idea that lost them the game), she was never able to lead her team to clearly identify an alternative compelling vision. She continually flipped back and forth between ideas which drove her sole ally, Kevin, to finally declare: "Our project manager sucks."

Elizabeth never led an effective team process to identify a winning campaign strategy.

She was correct that the terrorism theme was not a winning strategy. Where she failed was in her inability to convince her team and lead them through a process of identifying a winning campaign idea. Her direction was wishy-washy, which inspired open rebellion.

-- One dysfunctional team member can turn a team in the wrong direction.

Raj displayed several dysfunctional team behaviors, including clowning around and bullying Elizabeth into submitting to his military idea -- an idea that resulted in the team's loss. Instead of holding her own structure, vision and order in meetings, Elizabeth caved to Raj's unruly behavior.

It is not uncommon in workplace teams to have individuals forcefully ramrod their ideas on the group.

How do you deal with someone whose behavior disrupts the team? High performing teams adopt agreed upon group norms or rules to help control unruly team member behavior.

Effective leaders also use intervention techniques to alter disruptive patterns. For example, Elizabeth might have tried this approach: "Raj, I notice that you are yelling out your ideas and cutting others off. This behavior is stifling our creative process. I am going to lead a brainstorming process to come up with alternative ideas. Please hold your thoughts until we have had a chance to hear and consider other ideas."

Elizabeth then could have given each team member an opportunity to vote on the ideas that best met the criteria of the customer or she could have announced that as the leader, she was going to make the decision and assume responsibility for the consequences.

From the sidelines: Andy may be the freshman quarterback, but he has displayed his talent, skill and firm grasp of the fundamentals of effective leadership in this episode.

Although his age has made him a target with his competition, don't count him out yet. He now has immunity for the next episode and has successfully avoided being fired by Trump several times. Trump seems to like him and though he may be 23, remember, the point of this competition is to hire an apprentice. Typically, apprentices are young.


ABOUT THE SERIES

What can real-world business leaders learn from the popular NBC series "The Apprentice"? That's the question the Seattle Post-Intelligencer posed to Maureen Moriarty, who uses the show as a teaching tool in her Bellevue Community College course. She'll try to answer that each week on Mondays through the show's regular season.


Maureen Moriarty is a professional accredited executive coach, corporate leadership trainer, team facilitator and founder of Pathways to Change. She is teaching a continuing education leadership course based on "The Apprentice" for Bellevue Community College.