TVCH FORUMS HOME . JOIN . FAN CLUBS . ABOUT US . CONTACT . CHAT  
Bomis   Quick Links   TOPICS . TREE-VIEW . SEARCH . HELP! . NEWS . PROFILE
Archive through December 17, 2004

The TVClubHouse: Other Reality Shows ARCHIVES: Apprentice II: Episode 12/16/04 - FINALE - (Spoiler needed!!!): Archive through December 17, 2004 users admin

Author Message
Lilfair
Member

07-09-2003

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 8:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ivan defends herself by saying she's spontaneous.

Trump says would she do it again. She hems and haws for a while and Trumps screams...IVANA SAY NO! That was the best moment of the night.

They ask O about this season. She says corp America has a double standard against women. Pam shakes her head at O. As in saying she doesn't agree.

Next season Street Smarts against Book Smarts.





Costacat
Member

07-15-2000

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 8:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lil, thanks for spoiling! You have an open invite for a bellini or spiked eggnog whenever you want! Purr....

Lilfair
Member

07-09-2003

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 8:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Regis says next a big send off for Kelly and how you at home can own a part of Apprent.

Doesn't seem to be a twist to be found tonight.

Lilfair
Member

07-09-2003

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 8:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Can I have both...LOL. Spiked egg nog works.

I assure you my typing and spelling isn't as bad as it seems. I'm happy to help out.

They are off to the after party Kelly leaves with a big hoopla.

OH and they are looking for the cast of the 4th season.



Dipo
Member

04-23-2002

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
so it sounds like this show is about a half hour toooooo long!!!

Excellent job Lilfair, thanks a bunch!!

Ketchuplover
Member

08-30-2000

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Come on street smarts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Do we know how much Kelly gets paid?

Lilfair
Member

07-09-2003

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 9:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You're welcome everyone.

This was a little bitty thing to pay back all those BB live feed posters who I think should get awards and to all the other posters who do this regularly that use flowery and interesting words to describe what they are seeing.

Cheers to all.

Curlyq
Member

07-10-2002

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 9:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Didn't Bill win a car last year?

Trump really knew how to keep the suspense going. I don't believe for a second that this was even a close contest. He pretty much told them in the last episode that Kelly would have to screw up royally to lose. However, for a brief moment I thought the big surprise would be that he'd pick Pamela instead. She made Jennifer look useless.

I hope in the next season Trump will cast more serious, capable businesswomen. Jennifer's tirade at the end about her college and sorority awards was embarrassing considering how little that education had helped her in her tasks. And why did they never revisit the stunt she pulled during the Levi's challenge? I don't know how Pamela could talk about Jenn's ethics after that one.

I like the idea of the street smarts vs. book smarts teams, but fear in the end Trump will do what he always does. He always dumps the people who don't have the education.

Puzzled
Member

08-27-2001

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 9:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I found the competition interesting, but the rest of the show really boring.

The last hour was a snooze-fest, so I read the paper most of the time.

Carlito
Member

03-26-2004

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 9:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Great job once again Lil. Thanks for stepping up!
Costa,I wanted Jennifer to win also. I have to give her a lot of credit for staying professional and composed while tonite was an obvious hail Kelly nite.Is it just me or did anyone else feel as if the die had been cast and the book closed on Jenn? I'll tell you why.With the exception of John and Pamela her cast members were all jealous and envious of her final 2 status because she didnt step up and assume leadership during a very compeitive season full of petty backstabbers and cattiness. I thought it was a very good strategy and as close to the real world strategy/corporate politics as you will get to see unless you have been in it.To remain below the radar and still contribute to your team while others with a far greater sense of self importance and ego bit the dust was very smart.Its so very unfortunate that posters and the viewing audience didnt recognize that.I thought she was truthful and honest when stating the reason for her losses and the reason for Kellys wins.Remember he won 1 challenge due to Sandy who basically handed him the win.I only counted 2 situations where he directly led his team to victory.The pepsi contest and the QVC challenge where they won by $10.40.I think Jenn showed a lot of poise and class tonite and i'm sure it won't go unnoticed. Someone will pick her up and she will win in the end.I just thought Kelly had all the right credentials and experiences but there was just something about him that didnt make me want to buy him as the apprentice.Maybe the fact that he badmouthed people and lacked the courage to face people when dissing them. Oh well,c'est la vie.lol.lol.Happy Holidays All!

Annie
Member

11-10-2004

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 10:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think this show dropped a few notches for me after tonight. First of all, 3 hours?? I would have liked to see Jenn win. I thought her character throughout the show was upstanding. She didn't participate in all the sniping and back biting that the women did, and had tried to go face to face with Kelly over his snide comments. Whether you liked Jenn or not, she didn't deserve all the unkind comments from the audience, and I was glad to see John step up and compliment her on her composure. Whoever the guy was from the Trump Org., moustached, black haired male, who said he didn't like Jenn, and then couldn't find words to finish it, ummmmm, hello?? should HE be working for Trump??
I agree it was an "All hail to thee mighty Kelly" night. I didn't like him, I too thought he was arrogant, and I hope it comes back to haunt him. The good thing about Trump hiring him is we won't be seeing him anymore. Best of luck to Jenn, she won't need it though.

Dalm_dad
Member

07-06-2004

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 11:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Three hours?

I think there is a difference between drama and melodrama.

Dalm

Wendo
Member

08-07-2000

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 11:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Frankly, the show dropped a few notches for me too tonight. As many pointed out, it was way too long. Three hours was not needed for this type of show.

Secondly, I found the way Jen was treated tonight seriously unprofessional and appalling. The numerous negative comments toward Jen and excessive Kelly cheerleading, imo, were degrading and belittling. I have to give Jen credit, I don't think I would've been able to sit there. (Kudos to John for pointing this out as she was "thrown under the bus.")

It's one thing to choose a winner among two finalists and applaud their accomplishments. It's something else to embarass someone purposfully. It was so unneccessary.

And Annie, totally agree about the Trump employee who stated how much he didn't like Jen. So unprofessional and tasteless.

My sister loved the Apprentice 1 and watched this season too. She, too, was appalled by tonights show.

After tonight, I honestly don't know if I'm still interested in this show. I don't enjoy watching someone runover and then, runover again. Bleh.

Tabbyking
Member

03-11-2002

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 11:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
the trump employee was a <LC> who couldn't finish a sentence to save his life. he said absolutely nothing after saying he didn't like jen. it was as if he had a script he couldn't remember...how much of their lines are written for them? and knowing their boss was going to choose kelly over jen, would anyone say something against kelly? just wonderin'....
i didn't really like any of this apprentice group, but i felt bad for jen sitting there and hearing all the kelly kudos....

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Friday, December 17, 2004 - 1:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i found this final hard to stomach. Kelly showed the same NON-leadership style as he did when Kelly lead the team in the past.

I found it appalling that the fact that Kelly happened to be 'part' of a winning team more often was even considered. Jenn made her point very clearly; by staying out of the petty backstabbing she performed within her strict rules of integrity. I was pleased she referred to the Stacey witchhunt which made many of the girl's team furious when Jennifer wouldnt JOIN IN.

What bothered me the most was the painting of Kelly as an incredible leader and follower yet I sure never saw that at all. Some of the comments from the audience made me think that they werent watching the same show we were.

Jennifer should have won at the Final Boardroom, in my opinion, because Kelly was his usual nonarticulate self. I felt it was unprofessional and cruel to tease Jennifer like that at the very end. It was almost like DT wanted to make her suffer more.

DT got to where he is by taking Long Shots. Jennifer was the long shot. Kelly was functional.

Lets face it...this show is ALSO a popularity contest. A firm male is showing leadership and focus, a firm female is abrasive and bossy. This show has dropped its credibility, in my opinion.

I thought Jennifer should have won....but then again, She will succeed in anything she chooses.

Thiry18
Member

09-18-2004

Friday, December 17, 2004 - 3:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
sunshyne, i totally agree

Dalm_dad
Member

07-06-2004

Friday, December 17, 2004 - 6:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yet another thing that bothered me about the show is the so-called "indecision" on the Donald's part.

We are supposed to believe that.

First, if it was not even close according to Donald's respected posse who know the Donald well, then you know it would not have been close in the Donald's mind. Also, not only did he happen to have all those experts on hand to give him the advice he suddenly needed, but they even had the teleprompter up and running. And, if he would have been able to make up his mind would they have ended the show early.

They really think we are idiots.

I liked season 1 more. This season was more "produced" for forced and simple-minded entertainment value.

Dalm.

Ladytex
Member

09-27-2001

Friday, December 17, 2004 - 7:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The show was pretty bad last night. The Kelly luvin and Jenn bashing was totally unprofessional and un called for. Shame on Mark Burnett and the Trump organization, show some class, y'all ...

Highlighter
Member

09-03-2003

Friday, December 17, 2004 - 7:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Carlito says we need to "introspect" as to why some of us didn't want Jen to win. Ummmmmm, because she didn't deserve to? I'm a female, and truly, I have nothing against a woman winning. But I've said it before and I'll say it again, at least in the editing, Jen came across as "too foofy". Like the time they show her putting make up on when the team was trying to come up with the police slogan. She just took a backseat too much. I never saw her supporting her teammates. I respect someone *much* more (like Kevin) who works hard at all they do. Jen-as others have pointed out-just slid by. In fact, if you want to talk about arrogant, I think *she* was very arrogant thinking that her qualifications on paper made her better than others. I'm disappointed that she was the representative for the females in the finale.

Tashakinz
Member

11-13-2002

Friday, December 17, 2004 - 7:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wonder if Jen had pointed out that this wasn't a game (Kelly's word) but a job interview at the end of the argument phase if it would have swung Donald back the other way.

March
Member

10-02-2003

Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I totally agree LadyTex, that was unprofessional and uncalled for.
Kudos to Jennifer for sitting there/listening to all the love Kelly and then to walk out onto the stage. Don't think I could have done it.
The other players (whatever you want to call them) didn't seem to like Jenn much BUT no PM ever took her into the final boardroom so she must have been doing something right.


Auntiemike
Member

09-17-2001

Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, here's the deal: if Kelly is indeed unable to perform to Donald's requirements on that big Manhatten project then what is to keep DT from saying,
'You're fired!" at some point in the future? I would assume DT always has the option of changing his choices. It is survival as a business man that is important to him. He does not like to fail; nor would he want people working for him to fail. Kelly has a chance to prove himself...or not. Time will tell.

Dalm_dad
Member

07-06-2004

Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Auntie,

1. Would Donald ever admit he made the wrong pic?

2. Do you think the sucess of the Manhattan project will really depend on Kelly's performance?

Dalm.

Xena
Member

10-14-2004

Friday, December 17, 2004 - 9:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kelly seemed way to nervous.His voice was quivering. I think both of them would have been a good choice. Jen does a great job defending herself. She smoked everyone that came in her path,even Kelly.