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Xena
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10-14-2004

Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 9:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What do you mean "shocked" Spygirl?What was the comment you were referring to? I missed it.Let me know.

Westtexan
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07-16-2004

Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 10:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Spygirl, I didn't hear the comment. When was it made and who made it?

The point about Elizabeth maybe being a good leader in a more realistic environment is true. I did think a couple of times during the show that it is very difficult to be a leader and have control when the people you are trying to lead are your competition. But if Elizabeth could sell her idea to the team or motivate the team to follow her she would have been more effective.

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 10:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Just after the guy from the other team was coaching Elisabeth about what she should say when she gets into the board room...when the women from Elisabeth's team were expressing to him how unhappy they were with what he was doing...he said, "I just told her not to be a p^ssy".

At first, I thought I misheard, so I backed up on Tivo...nope. That's clearly what he said.

Just figured others would have been a bit surprised it was allowed through the censors.

It is possible that it wasn't caught because it might have sounded like he said "pushy", though he clearly didn't. He wasn't encouraging her not to be "pushy"...quite the opposite. He was encouraging her to be pushy - and not be pushed around...and to not be a- well, you get the idea


Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 10:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Jen and Kevin are going to be in the finals. Not sure which one will win though.

I will have to replay that part to listen for that Spygirl.

I think Elizabeth was appropriately fired.
Elizabeth was just as indecisive last time she was PM.
I can't recall her ever proving her worth - but I do have a poor memory...

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 10:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
it sounded like pushy to me..bet that is why it got by censors

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 10:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Definitely said "p*ssy." I guess if they can say "nuts" and "balls" [and even Sipowitz's "a--hole"] in prime time, the vagina had to be close behind. Or in front. Oh well. I may have said it a few times myself.

I really liked Raj's lavander shirt/green pants ensemble, but I didn't enjoy the pin striped jacket he had with it. I wish the young debater would learn how to dress. Maria always looks lovely. Kevin had quite the package in that late night meeting with the indecisive Elizabeth, n'est-ce pas? ELizabeth is gone about 5 weeks too late.

Fabnsab
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08-07-2000

Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 11:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It was definately P#ssy. I was taken aback too especially when "holy crap" is being bleeped now.

I thought Elizabeth needed to go too she was doomed from the start. The team knows she is a weak link so they will never have respect for her. They ran all over her, talking down to her, telling her no many times. The only way she would have succeeded in this is doing it all herself without opinions but that wouldve been bad too.

Andy had the same problem as she did. The team was predisposed to their opinion on him and treated him crappy for it. They assumed every time he made a decision, it was a bad one and he would go down for it. They never assumed it was a good idea or that he would do something right.

I hated Kellys highhandedness tonight. He "told" Andy that he would pitch the idea. Who does he think he is? Just because Andy is 22 doesn't make him an idiot. These teams have no respect for the project manager and they set them up to take the fall from minute one.

Part of being awell rounded leader is knowing how to take a back seat too. When these people aren't the project manager, they bully the PM and run roughshod over them. I wish Trump would call them on it. I like Kevin but he shouldn't tell his "boss" to shut up. You don't always agree with your boss but you never lose it like that. It is disrespect and these folks ooze it.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 12:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Fabnsab, ditto everything you said. I lost a lot of respect for Kevin with that "Shut up! This is what's going to happen..." All I could think was that if my manager and I were both talking at the same time the one to say "Shut up!" would definitely not be me. I was really impressed by him until then.

Both PMs really did have the same problem and it was fascinating to see how they handled it so differently. Andy dragged his team kicking and screaming to the finish line and won. Elizabeth let her team drag her along and lost. I just don't get why in the boardroom she was speaking as if she had actually stood by her convictions when in fact she did the opposite.

For a while I thought Kelly would win this, but he's got serious control issues. No matter who is PM, he assumes the role. And Maria came off as such a nitwit with her where's the sex appeal nonsense. This line of thinking explains her dog service costume last week. Notice how she tried to embarrass Andy in the same exact way that the women did to her in the QVC studio? I hope George made a mental note of that.

Can't wait to see what happens next week.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 1:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm hoping too, that George will remember Maria's phone call to Andy. Why don't these people learn from week to week that George and Carolyn are listening to everything? I'd fire her!

Disappointed in Kevin with his "shut up" comment. I don't care what his role is, the comment was not one a leader should make. I'd fire him!

Raj was SO incredibly rude, disrespectful, and argumentative during the initial team meeting. Besides that, he was the real ringleader for the military slant on the campaign. I'd fire him!

Kelly was not a team player, and he tried to and wound up pushing Andy around about presenting the material. I'd fire him!

I'm betting that Trump basically HAS to bring back some of the others. It's pretty obvious that he has no real choices left, no one worthy of hiring.

This season has such a bunch of losers! Bring back my Troy...please!!!


Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 5:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yowza!! I would agree that Elizabeth is not TRump apprentice material, but I dont think she deserved that rude treatment, Raj deserved a comedown tho, his head is too swelled with self importance, for that reason I would've had Trump do the board room to nail Raj on his behavior!! (not that I'm a Trump exec lol!!)

Was it my imagination, or didnt the previews have Trump say something like "you're an idiot" or "idiot" and I dont recall what that was in reference to... the military ad?

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 5:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was totally flabbergasted with the entire show. They all need to get a grip. Elizabeth's team should have all been fired for thier extreme unprofessional behavior. I don't care how horrid your PM is.. you do not behave like that. I was appalled!

As for the other team - They were just as bad to Andy.

Personally I hope Andy really begins to shine and blows them all away. His inexperience has caused him to take the back seat for awhile, but looks like now he might stand up to all these bullies.

Also - I think Stacey looks like Scary Spice. :-)

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 5:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hukdon... I agree,

BRING BACK TROY

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 6:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
As far as the pússy comment, it was no doubt "pússy" when I used the mute/closed caption feature, it even spelled it out.

I think it went through without censoring because it was not used in the vulgar sense. It was used more like "don't be a wimp" than something with a more sexual tone....

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 7:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If that was the logic used, then I'll expect next week will include, "Don't be a d*ckhead" because that wouldn't have a sexual overtone, it would just be telling someone not to be mean.

Hukdonreality
Member

09-29-2003

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Omg, Spy, that is sooo funny!

Just an aside story...a number of years back there was an episode of the Drew Carey show when he had a ton of gas during some meeting. I happened to have my closed caption on, and the way they described the sounds were, "fart," "long fart," "rumbling fart," etc. I laughed so hard at that, and I MADE some of my friends watch my tape because I couldn't believe how hysterical it was!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 7:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL!!!

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 7:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree that Elizabeth's team did not respect her and treated her horribly. But Andy had pretty much the same kind of team. His team definitely was out to get him, called him on every decision and tried to undermine him. The difference between Andy and Elizabeth was Andy maintained control of his team. He exercised leadership skills and remained on task.

I don't think Trump was wrong in his assessment of Elizabeth. CEO's have to be able to direct and manage everyone in an organization, even those who don't like or respect them. Elizabeth had the right idea. She was on target with what the "client" wanted for their ad campaign, but she allowed herself to be ruled by the others, which resulted in the loss.

In contrast, no one liked Andy's idea either. But Andy made the decisions and made them stick. Andy wasn't afraid to take responsiblity for his actions and knew if it went bad he was a goner. I think Andy showed true leadership skills. Its easy to lead people who like you, but it takes real talent to lead like Andy did.

KUDO's to Andy....



Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 7:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Everyone on this show has wanted to get rid of Elizabeth and Andy from the beginning and it was never more evident than last night. Both teams set these two up to fall. The result was Andy shined brighter than ever - he ignored what was going on and did what he wanted to do. Elizabeth completely lost control trying to pacify everyone. While I understand he was at his wit's end, Kevin was completely out of line telling her to "shut up."

Last season, when Omarosa messed up the last task, I seem to remember Trump asking (can't think of his name at this moment) why he didn't fire her. Was it ever found out if the PM could really do this? I think last night would have been the perfect time to do this to a few of this people.



Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 7:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Here's to Andy!



Skypilot
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10-11-2002

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You know what I didn't get about last night? Maria trying to push the whole "sex appeal" thing, especially after they guy from the ad agency specifically said that he wanted something that appealed to the emotions. They are trying to get police recruits for a city that recently withstood a terrorist attack and lost a good number of policeman. I didn't think that all Maria's talk about "sex appeal" was relevant or appropriate. It was especially annoying when Andy was trying to drive the point home about the emotional impact they were going for and Maria was like, "Yeah, yeah, we got it" and then in the next breath starts talking about sex appeal. Didn't sound to me as if she "got it" at all.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree and I loved how Andy handled her, he cracked me up with his comments! 'you don't join the police force to get laid!' LOL!!!!!!

Andy went way up in my book last nite, he showed how good he was.



Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought Jen called Elizabeth a p*ssy too in the board room, but I could be wrong.

I'm telling you - Jen is setting everybody else up to lose so she can come out looking like a winner. She wasn't the least bit interested in the project last night because she knew she was exempt and she wanted to watch her team self-destruct. That girl is smart.

Highlighter
Member

09-03-2003

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ohhhhhhhhh. So that's why Jennifer came across as such a B*. I don't think this "game" is very accurate if the contestants learn that the goal is to make your PM look as bad as possible, and none of the supporting cast gets kudos if they do a *good* job. If DT's right-hand people are observing, then DT should be at least be aware of those who are supportive and constructive (Kevin) vs those who are being destructive (although DT did say something about it, it didn't seem strong enough to prevent future such childish behavior).

Like, FI, when Bradford was immune, he was still such a good player that he thought he should have been safe irregardless of his immunity. I don't care what DT thought, I'd much prefer to work for Bradford, who put forth 100%, than Jennifer, who was a b* unless she it directly benefited her.

Carlito
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03-26-2004

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Watched Elizabeth on Tony Danza's show earlier today.She still does not have a clue how bad she performed or how little regard her team had for her.She reminds me of women i have worked with who felt they could get by on their looks alone.
In her previous assignments or career,she probably did get by based on her attractiveness alone. Unfortunately, she is in with a peer group of young people who have also benefitted from their looks and are having to figure out how to win a competition by exercising sound judgement and demonstrating leadership skills not popularity.
I have to disagree with those who thought Kevin was out of line telling Elizabeth to shut up. I thought he exercised extreme patience and reserve
considering she had just wasted hours of his time
staying late into the night to help her come up with an ad campaign she felt ownership of.
When Elizabeth was not able to sell her concept to the team and changed the campaign to gain their approval,she was doomed to fail and kevin was through helping her.The fact that she did not
tell him in advance she was changing or acknowledge his contribution only made matters worse. Elizabeth needed to have the courage to stand up to the team knowing they were not there to help her and would turn on her in the BR if they lost. For her to make the statements in the BR,in the cab, and on Tony Danza's show simply solidified my impression that Donald was right in what he said about her and she deserved to be fired this time.


Terolyn
Member

05-06-2004

Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I totally agree that she needed to be fired. However I do think the rest of the team were extremely unprofessional. I can however understand Kevins frustration, but I do not think he was in the right by telling her to shut up. In my eyes it lack polish and professionalism. But that's my