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The TVClubHouse: Other Reality Shows ARCHIVES: Apprentice III: Ferbruary 3rd - **SPOILER**: Archive through February 07, 2005 users admin

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Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, February 04, 2005 - 6:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Whoami, I think you are absolutely right about Trump. If it was his idea or if he was so inclined, he would have changed the rules in a heartbeat.

But this is TV. And there should be a good deal of drama coming from Magna, post boardroom.

I pretty much thought Magna lost the minute they started promoting winning an I-pod. It seemed to me the focus for the public was drink some coffee and have a chance at winning an I –pod. I-Pod was the main draw…not Nestle Coffee.



Newman
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09-25-2004

Friday, February 04, 2005 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for that chart, Cd. That's the kind of research that is very helpful.

I'm like Jimmer. I started watching when it seemed like the only people who get fired are PMs.

Can't Trump take suggestions from his underlings? Is his ego that big? Certainly Bush takes advice from his advisers. Isn't that why we attacked Iraq instead of Iran? But I digress...

If Trump had any guts at all he would have fired Michael. From the edited version (which is what we, the audience, saw, Michael was THE ONE who deserved to be fired.

I thought Magna did a better job than Net Worth. Giving away IPods periodically makes more sense than a one time $10,000 giveaway, and then the crowd leaves!

Hot or cold, either way, Tasters Choice is just instant coffee, LOL. Give me Starbucks or Peabody's or Seattle's Best any day of the week.

What if they gave up the exemption? The show would get interesting again. Right now it's smart to lay in the weeds, try to ride under the radar as various PMs get picked off, week after week. Get rid of the exemption and then you have the drama of picking the project manager.

"I don't want to do it, you do it."

"Um, not me, I don't want to get fired, you do it"

"Look we have to decide, how about rocks, paper, scissors?"


Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, February 04, 2005 - 9:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Didn't one of the teams pick names out of a hat most of last season for PM?

If I were a "suit" with Tasters Choice I would have been disappointed in the emphasis on the i-Pods.

I thought NetWorth did a good job making the buzz about the coffee. The 10k would be perceived as a Taster's Choice gift. A far cry from sharing the spotlight with another product. That's how I would look at it if my paycheck was signed by Taster's Choice.


Finqwik
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09-16-2004

Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 7:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Happygal. I noticed that too Hmmmn ! I pondered it for a while and decided that Stephanie was just covering her a** in that diplomatic'just in case' sense. I agree the i-pod idea was also not great and probably lost them the challenge, Apple must have loved it though.

Carlito
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03-26-2004

Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Happygai,i too noticed it and wondered...hmm. I also wondered why no one thought of contacting other sources like radio announcements on local radio or pbs stations for pr announcements to encourage more people. The 2nd thing i wondered is that no one presented a complete marketing plan and strategy. They relied on an event planner to do the event and just gave away things for participating.That did not show me much talent knowlege or skill. Sorry!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 3:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, I think that's why Net Worth won. They relied on their event planner for pulling it together, but the all-American theme and the idea of tying it into the election came from the PM. She's pretty rough around the edges, but she did come up with a good idea that put the emphasis on the product and got people thinking about different ways to use it. I was just surprised that for the second time the marketing expert got shown up on a marketing assignment.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 9:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
the strange thing about this show is how The team wants a strong leader and someone to 'tell em what to do' . Yet someone like Danny who is a team player, who leads by team consensus, isnt aggressive enough for them.

Then when they DO get someone aggressive with a "my way or the highway" mentality, everyone gangs up on them for not being a teamplayer and asking for opinions LOL.

*****

What I didnt understand is how the whole team wanted Michael gone and were going to go to bat for Danny yet we were shown NONE of that in the boardroom. We also did not get to hear that the ONLY IDEA Michael had was that beautiful models should stand around while coffee was being given out.

He went on and on about the beautiful woman idea throughout the challenge yet it was NOT mentioned during the boardroom sequence. Strange!!!

Michael also made the comment that the IPOD idea was stupid because rich people drive. (WHAT!!!???)

Does he really think rich people are wandering around in the park and would be drawn to an INSTANT COFFEE demo anyways???

The guy sabatoged this challenge and got away with it in my opinion. I cant believe that DT and cohorts let him get away with it. I would have at least expected DT to name Michael as next project manager.....that would get things stirred up. Especially if the others decided to let him fail so DT would fire him.

Newman
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09-25-2004

Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 10:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Personally I don't see where Net Worth did any better than Magna. What did they win by? Who decided they won? The Nestle team that was watching?? By a 3-2 vote??

Both teams hired event planners.

I don't see where either team did a good job. Again, how do you market Tasters Choice, which is instant coffee, when you have easy access to Starbucks and other better tasting yuppie coffees?

No one drives in NYC, do they? Rich people walk too. The IPod is a very desireable item.

It is all so choreographed and edited for the TV audience. Michael was made to look like the villain by the editing. After they lost, Magna got together and like Sunshyne said and it seemed like they were all going to expose Michael in the Boardroom, for the slacker he was on this assignment.

Either that didn't happen in the Boardroom or it was edited out.

I think Danny should have just brought Michael back into the Boardroom alone. Put the entire decision on Trump changing the exemption rule. He needed strong team backing to pull this off and the unity seemed to be there for breaking the exemption rule.

However, who can tell the boss what to do? At any job?? Especially someone with as huge an ego as Trump???


Cdbga
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10-04-2004

Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I can't remember if this was part of the boardroom in the episode or just in the extended footage, but Trump did seem well aware of how Michael had performed and behaved. I think everyone on the team did voice their opinion that Michael should be fired...they all said Danny was responsible for that loss, but that Michael was the person who should be fired.

I didn't get that rich people thing, either. I guess I didn't realize "rich people" were the target audience. I would think the IPod would be desirable to everyone, especially those who aren't rich and maybe don't have the $300 to spend on a non-essential item.


Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 9:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think it is stupid that a major portion of a task is done by people not on the show (event planners). So...what did the actual TEAMS do? I didn't think this task was a test of their own ability, but more of a test of who hired the better event planner.

I need to express my disdain for the fact that people are being judged on how they LEAD people. The "Apprentice" will not be a major LEADER in the Trump company. They will be taking more orders than giving them. Personally, I'd be firing people who didn't listen to their leader. Danny the first week, Michael this week. How much can someone fight with you before it's no longer their issue? I think many of the PM's are being polite, diplomatic, and professional. If one of their "team members" blatantly doesn't cooperate, why is it the PM's fault?

I also think there is more to the "firing team members" thing that we don't know. A few times this has been mentioned in hindsight. First, they asked Kwaame why he didn't fire Omarosa, then last season they asked Wes why he didn't bench Maria, and this year they have asked Danny (or was it Todd?). In any case, I think SOMEWHERE in the rules, you can fire people on your own team. But then again, Trump is so hypocritical that he'd probably fire the PM anyways, and say he shouldn't have gotten rid of his team members.

I am really beginning to wonder how they are going to keep the teams EVEN in this game. Every season has had a "corporate shuffle" to keep things even. I wonder if they are just going to flip-flop every week (kind of like when Jeff reads the votes in Survivor).

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the project was to create the best buzz about Tasters Choice. Net Worth did a better job if for no other reason than default. Magna created a buzz about winning an i-pod.

It was so wrong to incorporate another product into the matketing. Like someone mentioned Apple must have been thrilled.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 10:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
They should have gotten a hold of those Tasters Choice people who were in the soap opera of commercials? Does anyone remember that, from the early 90's?



Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Verna left a message on her message board here

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 5:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
They were rough on her message board.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 8:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just found the whole idea of creating a buzz over an instant coffee to be very funny.

Curlyq
Member

07-10-2002

Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 11:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I guess I just don't get what the role of the event planner was in this episode. I assumed that the teams were to come up with the concept and the event planners would just be taking care of the logistics. Like for example, the team would come up with the idea of having actors put on a hot vs. cold debate and the event planner would find the actors, get the podiums, etc. I don't think the event planners were responsible for coming up with the promotions themselves or we wouldn't have seen the meetings where the Ipod idea came up and where the all-American theme was discussed. Nescafe must've just been looking for the team who could come up with the best promotional idea rather than which team was best at hiring sign makers, setting up tables, buying paper cups, etc.

Mssilhouette
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07-11-2001

Monday, February 07, 2005 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with the deal about it being who got the best event planner. I do think Net Worth did have at least halfway decent marketing plan, comparied with Manga, considering that they brought in another product to sell coffee without prior approval.

At least with the voting theme, people actually had to taste the coffee and give a response. That gave the Nestle people instant consumer response. Plus if it was hot outside the cold coffee could sell and if it was cold...well you get the idea.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Monday, February 07, 2005 - 8:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
same thing...


Nescafe giving away Apprentice coffee.
Before last night's episode of The Apprentice 3, Nescafe was already pitching its coffee, which was featured during the episode. You get "14 NESCAFÉ TASTER'S CHOICE(R) single serve packets, a $1.50 coupon & 2 recipe cards." (Apparently the single serve packets are really excitable, because every time the site talks about Taster's Choice it's in all caps.) The site also allows you to register to win "a trip to New York City for the winner and a guest to attend the production of the Season 3 final episode of The Apprentice during the month of May 2005." Companies whoring their Apprentice-placed products is nothing new, but it is an interesting strategy to give the product away to viewers, trying to get them hooked with a free sample. Of course, drug dealers have been using this strategy forever, so it's about time reality TV show sponsors got on board


http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_apprentice_3/2005_Feb_04_coffee


Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, February 07, 2005 - 8:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wouldn't drink instant coffee if you paid me and no I'm not a coffee snob.

I guess people do drink it otherwise it wouldn't be on the shelves. I wonder what percentage of coffee sales are for instant coffee. I have no idea but I'd guess it would be very low.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Monday, February 07, 2005 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with you. Instant coffee is disgusting. Only 7% of coffee drinkers use instant. Never understood why people drink it when you can easily pour hot water over ground coffee in a filtered cup.

Jasper
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09-14-2000

Monday, February 07, 2005 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
oh ick! I keep a jar on hand for use in recipes only.

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Monday, February 07, 2005 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wasn't instant coffee more popular in the 80's, before coffee makers were somewhat affordable, and coffee stores were not so prevalent? My whole family (mother, grandmother, great grandmother) drank instant. And it was a TREAT to have that special brewed coffee from the ONE coffee place in the better mall in the city.

Now, here in Vancouver, there are about 32 Startbucks' in a 6 Square block area. And I'm not exaggerating. On our main shopping street, there are two Starbucks stores at one intersection. And all the stuff you would NEED for brewed coffee is much cheaper, and in greater abundance.



Rslover
Member

11-19-2002

Monday, February 07, 2005 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My mother drank SANKA, not only disgusting but decaffeinated. Kind of defeats the purpose!

Cdbga
Member

10-04-2004

Monday, February 07, 2005 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My grandmother still only drinks instant coffee. My grandfather would get up and brew coffee every morning (because he didn't like the instant), but my grandmother would still choose the instant over the fresh brewed!

Don't know if anyone watched the extra clips, but it seems Net Worth paid about half what Magna paid for their planner. In the clips of Net Worth's event planner search, they talked to a planner named Darren who gave them a much higher quote. Chris said he felt like they were being hustled by the guy. Magna's event planner was named Darren. Makes me wonder if it was the same guy(and I'd think it had to be!).

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Monday, February 07, 2005 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Now that stuff about the event planner is interesting! If it's the same Darren--can't help wondering why they wouldn't have shown that on the show. That would be hysterical.