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Archive through October 02, 2004

The TVClubHouse: Other Reality Shows ARCHIVES: Apprentice II: Episode 9/29: Archive through October 02, 2004 users admin

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Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Don't forget "honky."

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Just to clarify my thoughts...
I didn't think that saying "Jewish" in itself was derogatory.
I think in the context of what Jen said, it became derogatory.

If she just said "those 2 Jewish ladies...", I wouldn't think derogatory.
But the fact that she kept referring to them in a negative manner saying "jaded old bags" and "cheap old bats" - made the reference to Jewish in the one instance derogatory.
I'm probably not explaining what I'm thinking very well.

Julieboo -
that's funny! I'm the same way. I like to transcribe to find out exactly what was said.
and I like watching TV with CC because sometimes I read things that that I wouldn't have heard - especially when there's whispering or a lot of background noise.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That could possibly be luv... But I was thinking Jen was being derogatory about the elderly ladies because they didn't agree with her about the decor. Jen was actually mad at these ladies and "finger pointed" them as the reason their score was bad on the decor!!! I found that immature and outlandish... and amazingly hilarious...

These ladies had the gall to come in there and expect a nice dinner without having to agree with some argumentative woman!!! THE NERVE OF SOME!!! LOL

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 9:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    


Jen could have called them 2 "old " ladies, of that fact she was most likely correct. She did not know if they were Jewish and had no reason to refer to them as Jewish even if they were.

They were 2 old
ladies period.

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL native!!! That was George Jefferson's fav!! I wish they had reruns of that show, I loved it!

Fabnsab
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08-07-2000

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I doubt they had enough customers where she had to add another decriptive word to those "two old ladies." I'm sure they all would have known who she was talking about.

And she wasn't sure if they were Jewish. She was assuming based on character traits they displayed. That is stereotyping.



Laura11103
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08-13-2002

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 11:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Also knowing that Stacy is jewish and spewing her garbage where Stacy could hear to me was insulting. Calling someone jewish in a description is one thing, but Jen obviously hated these ladies and was looking for adjectives to put them down, she insulted old people, jewish people, she insulted Stacy earlier by calling her a munchkin! Jen C is completely clueless and I'm glad she's gone.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 11:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
not only did Jen C get fired by Trump....she got fired by her REAL employers for her remarks on the show!

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=290861&category=REGIONOTHER&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=10/1/2004

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
wow... Whether she was being racist or not, I totally understand where her bosses are coming from. Being in the real estate business, you can't even have the impression of bigotry or biased attitudes.

Reading the article, I got the impression that Jen still doesn't get it. Jeeze...who on earth would hire her now???

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
wow...that karma boomer rang sure does get around...

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
How much you want to bet she now gets a lawyer, and sues not only her former employer, but Trump, Mark Burnette, and anyone else she can think of from the show for showing her in a negative light due to editing.

Newsanchor
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11-05-2003

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 2:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yeah she and Stacie J. She's already talking lawsuit I hear.

Gen
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08-22-2003

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This may be the first time that a person has been fired and the employer acknowledged that their behavior on a reality show was the reason. However, I really wonder how many reality show participants have ruined their present or future employment chances by their behavior or attitudes.

Sugar
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08-15-2000

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 4:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Gen, I have often wondered the same. So many of the reality show participants portray themselves in a negative fashion. Editing, sure editing exist, but to show it, they did it. Maybe not fair, however, over the last few years, TV has been fertile reality ground and many lessons could have been learned. It often seems as though the participants have never seen the game they are playing.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 5:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It was obviously anti-semitic, imho. Jennifer was associating Jewishness with negative characteristics. Most people are smart enough to describe negative Jewish stereotypes without mentioning religion--"Hollywood elites" "Upper West Side" etc.--but she didn't even have enough restraint to do that. What she did was only a step up from saying they were trying to "Jew her down" or calling them "k!kes."

But I'm just an uppity Jew in Hollywood, so what do I know?

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 5:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't agree that she was a step away from that at all. I don't think she was even several steps away. But we all have different opinions and that is great.

What I want to know is will there be additional boardroom footage this Saturday? I am guessing not because Donald fired Jen pretty fast! I don't think there was a long discussion at any of the three boardrooms (one with both teams, one with only the whole girl team and the one with just the 3.)

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 7:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
While I agree that Jennifer's comments were completely inappropriate and she needs some sensitivity training, there's more to the story about her employer. Apparently, a couple of weeks ago, they took out huge, full page ads in newspapers trading on her visibility on The Apprentice to help their business. Now, they're backtracking because that same visibility is hurting them.

Also, there's an important question here. Should a reality tv show contestant be fired from their job (that they're NOT representing) for things they do on said reality tv show? If employers start down the road of firing people, we may get fewer real people willing to participate on these shows. How many people will want to risk their jobs or future jobs for participating several weeks on a reality show?

IMO, while I can understand Jennifer's place of work being upset with her comments, she was not representing them in any way on the show. I don't see how they have any right to fire her.

What if you say something in a restaurant that gets back to your employer that they don't like and they fire you? Is that fair?

Because, in essence, that's what her employer is doing.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Interesting points Wendo... Who did she work for and what was her position? Anyone know?

Gen
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08-22-2003

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 8:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Julieboo, see Wilsonatmd's post above at 11:29a (10-01). He posted a link to an article about her firing.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 9:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Laura,
Exactly! Spoken like a true NYer

JB,
Jennifer worked for Prudential Douglas Elliman and they had taken a full page ad out in the Times publicizing her appearance on the show. She was a high-end real estate agent. I know her actions will not bode too well with the company here in NYC. So, where do you live?


Fabnsab
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08-07-2000

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 9:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wendo, I know when my sister became a real estate agent they stressed the importance of never saying anything derogatory towards people based on religion, race, age, sex, you name it. They told her not to make jokes about it in her personal life where it could be overheard because she would get fired for it.

I don't know how official or legal it is but they most definately stess it to real estate agents to be as politically correct as possible.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 10:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
How ironic..she goes on a show to GET a job and loses not one but TWO!

Luvmykitties
Member

01-02-2004

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 10:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I stumbled onto this article from Sept 14th which states that she wasn't even a good real estate broker.

And it would be interesting if Jen was picked for marketing purposes...

*I have no idea about the validity of this website

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2004/09/14/apprentice_broker_gets_paid_for_jack.php

and then if you click the link to "checked her out", her bio was removed from Elliman's website.


And for anyone interested, here is Elliman's website so you can check out the NY based company.
http://www.elliman.com/MainSite/Company/

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 01, 2004 - 11:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Luv. Check this one too...how funny/ironic!!

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2004/09/09/elliman_broker_jennifer_crisafulli_the_next_apprentice.php

Wendo
Member

08-07-2000

Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 12:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Fabnsab, I honestly don't see how it would be legal for someone to be fired for comments they made while one was not at work, on personal time and not representing the company. Perhaps a lawyer would know for sure, but imo, I don't think it's right or fair.

I don't disagree that her comments were inappropriate, but it does concern me that she's been fired. (Her name, btw, is no longer listed at the Elliman's website.)

Frankly, I don't think she's racist either. I think she used poor judgement by repeating a negative stereotype. And I think it stinks that she's being fired for it. If it hadn't happened on tv, she'd be given the opportunity for sensitivity training and likely put on probation. But because they traded on her visibility on the show to make money, they're now just covering their @sses at her expense.

People make mistakes and repeat stereotypes when they shouldn't. Should her career be destroyed because of it?

I find the situation very problematic.