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Jan
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 10:39 am
yes, but it just doesn't sit right with me somehow.
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 10:55 am
Yeah, I really do wonder if the "job" choices were made before or after it was clear that the two finalists would be women. Guess we'll never know.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 10:58 am
I really think the jobs are selected with the two finalists in mind. I got that impression when Bill chose the Chicago job, because it just fit into his "plans" so well. I think had the two choices been overseeing the building of a skyscraper or the pagent, Tana still would have chosen the pagent...same with Kendra...she would have chosen the remodeling job because that is what she enjoys most. But I'm not really sure how overseeing the creation of a skycraper is so much "more" than renovating a multi-million dollar property? I also don't think pulling off a pagent as huge as Trump's is any small accomplishment. Why is the pagent considered less? Is it because its all about women? I guess what I'm really asking is would people be wondering if it were male apprentices handling these tasks? Do the tasks become less because they are traditionally feminine themed (home makeover, beauty pagent) and are being done by women?
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 11:00 am
Donald Trump ends Tana Goertz's quest for Apprenticeship By ERIN CRAWFORD REGISTER STAFF WRITER May 20, 2005 "I just didn't like the way you treated your team," Donald Trump told West Des Moines Mary Kay saleswoman Tana Goertz before hiring Florida real estate entrepreneur Kendra Todd on Thursday's finale of reality contest "The Apprentice." "It was a mistake judging them," admitted Tana, who infamously called her three teammates "stooges" during her final task. "I learn from my mistakes." She was less conciliatory in a post-show interview with Des Moines' WHO-TV in New York City. A combative and agitated Tana said she was naive to believe that a "street smart" person could win. She then said it was never going to happen. "It was all bull . . . ." Tana's language might be considered profanity by FCC standards, which would subject WHO-TV to enforcement action, such as fines, but the interview was broadcast after 10 p.m. Tana didn't receive the show's prize, a $250,000 job "running a company" for Trump, but she did manage to coin a phrase for the several hundred fans cheering her on at Prairie Meadows Racetrack and Casino. "Don't get me started," she told Trump with only a few minutes left in the show, as she described how she had played a key role in helping Kendra win a task for an auto company. It was enough to get the audience cheering. But the last-ditch pitch, accompanied by pumped fists and Tana's trademark enthusiasm, wasn't enough to overcome her failure at the show's final challenge, where her team misplaced an American flag and ignored New York's governor during an event promoting the state's bid for the 2012 Olympics. Before the 2012 event, Tana was one of the show's strongest leaders, wily enough to use focus groups to win a clothing design challenge and picking an unusual idea to sell an acting consulting service in another challenge. Trump still chose Kendra's college-educated "book smarts" over Tana's "street smarts." Fans of the Midwest mom booed her competition and cheered and hooted each time Tana's name was mentioned during the show's long introduction. No wonder the results made them "disappointed, disappointed, disappointed," according to one table of women who came to cheer for Tana. "We're not watching 'The Apprentice' ever again," said Lori Durrett, 46, of Des Moines. "She should have won it. Tana's more creative." Trump called Tana a "star" up until the final challenge. Some in the audience wondered why all those weeks of work didn't count more. "They concentrated too much on the last (competition)," said Vicki Nauman, 45, of Urbandale. One friend of the contestant's, Jan Castagnoli, who has helped Tana launch her children's book, wept at the results. "I feel bad," Castagnoli said. "I really thought she would win. When she left here, she said, 'I'm going to bring it home.' " But others who came to Prairie Meadows saw the result coming. "She could have won it," said Patty Toal, 49, of Altoona. "You don't bad-mouth people that are working for you. I would have sat down and tried to motivate them." Toal's husband won an "Apprentice" T-shirt at the casino, which gave away prizes. The Iowa audience also was shown live on the show, cheering, and Tana blew kisses at them. Terri Keasey, 31, of Alleman didn't need to win a T-shirt. She came wearing hers, which said, "Up to the suite. Down to the street." Keasey went to New York and bought the shirt at NBC studios and said what she thought about CEOs on "The Apprentice" who had voiced concerns that an Iowa mom might be too nice for the New York business world. "They keep saying, 'When you're from a small state like Iowa, you can't succeed,' but I think anyone can succeed," she said. Had Tana won, she would have taken a job with the Miss Universe pageant. Kendra, instead, chose a development job in Palm Beach. One thing was certain. You didn't want to get anyone in the pro-Tana audience started on the Florida competition. "(Kendra's) a crybaby," said Timothy Jacobs, 31, of Des Moines. "She cries at everything." http://www.dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050520/NEWS08/505200421/1001/NEWS
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 12:03 pm
I think a lot of work on the pageant has already been done...maybe not, but that's what I think. I think the same for the remodel, it's all set to go/is already very much in the works. I think that Trump wasn't so happy with all/most of the candidates for this season that he didn't want to give the winner a job that would require a lot of responsibility. Even though at the end of this season, Kendra was edited to seem very qualified, it really seems to me that these candidates were not of the caliber of previous candidates, especially those of season 1. I do wish Kendra and all of them the best. I hope they continue to remain very successful in life. I'm glad someone posted earlier that he will have a say in casting the next Apprentice. Now I do have some hope for that one and I will watch. I probably would have watched anyway; however, now I'll be watching with hopeful enthusiasm.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 12:12 pm
I stopped reading the thread in the first archive, but want to make my comments.. I find it interesting that Tana is so majorly dinged for her attitude toward her team (and that is legitimate) when Donald Trump introduced the synopsis of the tasks by saying that he gave each of them the three most difficult team members from their original team. So they came in, by definition, as diffucult, as lesser. Of course she didn't handle that situation well at all, but she did get kinda of crappy support, too. The best thing is it was limited to an hour!! And I erased the recording about 10 seconds after he said Kendra was hired, thus, saving even more time. Given the two in the finals and the way the final task unfolded, it was clear he would hire Kendra. I'm just happy I don't have to work with her. As for the brochure, so Kendra admits that Tana created the shape. As I recall, Kendra didn't help create the pictures, either, and wanted Craig and Tana to sit while she picked them. So she created the text on her own. Woo. But, as team leader, and the one who pulled the allnighter, she gets the credit. I think she'll have to learn to take chances, step up sooner and I'd value that aspect of Tana far more. You have to take chances and even fail at times to grow. For a COMPETITION, "under the radar" or not stepping up until many of the early leaders had been eliminated (Kendra admitted to that strategy) worked, but only because of Tana's messup in the finale. Both George and Carolyn (and Trump, too) mentioned Kendra not stepping up. Anyway, I think it is more that Tana lost than that Kendra won. Of the two, I
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 12:23 pm
the ultimate worst for me (when Tana jumped off of my pedestal) was when she went temporarily insane and started "woo-ing" and putting her fist in the air over and over again when she was going gaga over being recognized for coming up with the circular shape for the brochure...
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 12:35 pm
Katie Couric asked Trump about assigning the difficult members to each team and he said he did it on purpose...that in business you don't always work with people you like or even respect but you have to work together to get the job done.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 12:36 pm
Agreed Julie. Sadly that was another example of lack of professionalism. With respect to the brochure, I agree that Tana and Craig had some input, but Kendra ran the entire project. In fact, many of the ideas that were most liked by the client were ones that Tana and Craig opposed (the brief text, the bright colors, the spot for a CD, the spot for business cards, etc.). And Kendra managed the project. Remember how Craig was annoyed at her involvement with the pictures? That was part of her keeping the project on track and that's one of the reasons that Chris lost (he didn't check on his team).
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 12:54 pm
yes, the 2 guys supposedly won overseeing the construction of skyscrapers - but what are the actually doing? Bill - seems like he is a glorified sales person for the Chicago Condos. Kelly - selling/marketing(?) Trump Water. At least Kendra's background is real estate so maybe she'll actually get to do what she is supposedly hired for.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 1:03 pm
Tex, yeah of course he would say that, but in real business, if you are a good team leader, you also protect the WHOLE team and at least try to negotiate a GOOD team. Face it, he also did it to make better TV.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 1:05 pm
Or.. what he thinks is better tv, anyway.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 1:22 pm
I think that was his point, Sea. Tana didn't do that at all.
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Riviere
Member
09-09-2000
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 2:59 pm
Was rooting for Tana but now admit, Kendra flew under the radar enough and ultimately deserved to be hired.. Tana blew it by talking to Carolyn as a "down home girlfriend" putting her ex teammates and crew down. She came off as the petty gossipy small minded person in charge giving little to credit anyone but herself. While cutting them down to make herself seem all the better. Women like that have no place in big business, nor in any business, really. I watched the rerun where Carolyn said Tana was "nice" and I laughed.. It doesn't take a genius to see Trump would hire the college grad. Kendra never went out of her way to diss her crew, she rallied them. Tana merely got lost by opening her mouth in final days. If only I coulda told her, shut up already! Do the job, oversee your crew, do not ever speak of bad thoughts you have about anyone near a microphone. Congrats to Kendra, you'll earn every cent!!!
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 3:08 pm
I really do not believe there are still people that stick up for Tana....even after last night. Last night vindicated she is all about herself, as the show has shown ALL season. Oh well. Dalm.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 4:09 pm
Tana suggested the shape of the brochure. Pontiac loved the shape. Craig oversaw the pictures and the other team said they took 150 to 200 pictures so I would think that Craig took the same amount. The people on the street provided the text when Kendra and Tana asked them what they thought of the car. I saw them write one large word describing the car with smaller text written next to it. That's what was used on the brochure. Kendra wanted the disk. I think it was done by the entire team but they edited to make us and DT think Kendra did it all by herself. Tana had the harder last mission with more people to make happy. One thing I thought about was that DT or the producers put the fired teamates on the last task and are told to goof off to see how they handle them. Remember how terrible Omarosa was and I don't think the other people are that bad at working a task. I found out that all the players film their exit before they start the show and the same 2 cabs are used to drive them off. The jobs offered? Who cares if the salary is the same. Remember the theme? Money, money, money?
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 8:05 pm
Wow. What else can be said? I was surprised at the way The Donald laid into Tana right from the beginning. It was almost vitriolic. Not to say I blame him, just surprised. The graciousness of all of the losing candidates was very impressive IMHO. The generosity of George's compliments especially for Tana tweaked my image of him. I am happy for Kendra. I know some here do not like her, but I do and think she has a lot to offer. It is nice to not only see a woman win, but a 20-something IMHO 
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 10:21 pm
Is anyone watching Tana on Conan O'Brian? She is out of control. 
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, May 20, 2005 - 10:52 pm
In what way, Luvmykitties? Is she drooling? 
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 6:59 am
Yeh, please do tell Was she shaking her fist??
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 7:45 am
Tana seems so different than what I first imagined her to be. Her dissing of her team mates in the final task was her "sense of humor" being taken out of context? Uh, ok. And her appearance on Conan.....I only saw it in the "background" as I was doing other things at the time. But, seems like she was basically saying Trump wants a "Yes Man," and since that's not her personality, that's why she wasn't hired, and is why Kendra was hired.
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Dalm_dad
Member
07-06-2004
| Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 7:46 am
Did anyone see Tana on Fox & Friends this morning. She has a severe case of sore loser/sour grapes syndrome. She was droning on about the "agenda" against her. Dalm.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 7:51 am
I especially like George (and Carolyn), though if I was working a task I'd rather have George as the observer (Carolyn is tough). It's a shame that Tana seems to be acting the way she is now. She had built up a lot of goodwill and respect in the early part of the season, which she could easily have used and built upon to her advantage and instead she seems to be tearing it apart. 
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 9:31 am
Tana=delusional. She has shown herself to be more and more unprofessional. That's why DT didn't hire her.
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 10:24 am
I believe they replay the Conan show early morning weekdays (3:30am here EST) yes, she came out doing her "Arsenio-Hall-shaking-fist-in-the-air" she definitely seems bitter, and we're definitely seeing another side of her. She got kind of "street" attitude (like in the finale when she said "don't get me started") saying that she tells it like it is and she's not a "yes sir" like Kendra is and that's why she didn't get hired. She also talked about the task with L'il John and his Crunk Juice and that she loves rap - but I'm not going to transcribe all that. Conan asked her if she would do anything differently. Conan: there's a lot of people that think you maybe sassed Trump. You talked back to Trump. Do you think that's a fair criticism? Tana: oh yeah. I gave it to him. And I think I absolutely freaked his stuff out. When he saw what I was giving him, he was like 'that wasn't in my script'. I think I absolutely freaked everybody's a$$ out last night because the producers were coming up going 'we got to put a muzzle on her. she's taking the show'" Conan: Right right right. Well here's the thing. I know Trump - he's been on the show many times - and you can't talk back to that guy. Tana: That's why I didn't get the job HA HA HA (pointing her finger at Conan) Conan: exactly exactly. That's the problem. That thing you did (gesturing with the pointing his finger at her) -right there where you talked back to me Tana: (pointing her finger in Conan's face) I said I'M GETTING CRAZY MAN. you heard me. Conan: you can't do that to Trump. He won't have it Tana: right. he wants 'yes sir'. I'm not the "yes sir girl". I'm gonna tell it like it is. he saw what he was getting with me and he didn't want me so God Bless. Conan: Now come on. But wasn't there a part where you thought OK, I know I'm a "tell-it-like-it-is-girl", but just for a couple more hours and be like "yea sure Mr. Trump" (in a "girly" voice) Tana: (indignant tone) Oh never, are you kidding me? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? That was why Kendra won. Absolutely not. What you see is what you get with me. I don't... audience starts booing Tana: (looking out to audience) hey - what's that all about? What's that about? Conan: Now you have to yell at them (imitating Tana's gesturing with the pointing of the finger) "you people are crazy. I tell it like it is. You don't boo me" Tana: yeah. I'm not going to be the kind of person that strokes you (making the obscene "stroking" hand gesture) Conan: OH MY GOD lots of laughing Tana laughing throws her fist in the air again and says "you're damn right!" Conan: I'm calling the papers. She did WHAT to him? Tana: (laughing) no no no no no. I'm just not that way. Conan: it's going to be in all the papers tomorrow. Tana: what I mean Conan... Conan: I may get Trump to come on our show. he segues into his Trump imitation - and they talk about Trump for a minute Tana: what I meant by that is I'm not going to stroke someone's ego to get a job. I will get a job on my merits, my skills, my brains, um, whatever else it takes to get a job, but I'm not going to blow smoke up somebody's a$$ to get a job. audience is chuckling Conan: Ookay. Well then our time here is over. (says jokingly) Then he goes on to ask her about the task where they work with rappers. sorry for any typos.
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