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The TVClubHouse: Other Reality Shows ARCHIVES: Apprentice II: Episode 11/25/04 (Spoiler!!): Archive through November 28, 2004 users admin

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Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
When an alliance if formed not for the basis to strengthen the team or serve the company but to save your own asz then it becomes less about business and more about personal survival. Sandy probably would have gone this week if Jen and Andy didn't divert from the business at hand. Trump isn't stupid.

Sandy did poorly in her portion of the presentation. Other than that they were all fairly equal in the task. Don’t try to cover your backside by going behind your teammates back because you’re running scared.


Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Why must you constantly refer to Kevin as the black guy????????

You call the other guys by name yet you always refer to Kevin as the black guy, I find that offensive.

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 11:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kevin is BLACK?!?

Costacat
Member

07-15-2000

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was really disappointed in this show. I have decided that I don't like Kelly at all (his ego is just too darned big for any board room). I also think he makes a terrible manager, as he overrides anyone else's thoughts if they are not in alignment with his. He doesn't even listen. I don't like Ivana, either. I'm really tired of her cattiness and negativity. (Yeah, she was probably encouraged to be a witch in her confessionals, but I think she took it too far. I hope Trump gets to see that footage, too, before he hires his "apprentice.")

Sandy also didn't come across too great this episode, but I think she did show she had some fight in her. I thought it was very unprofessional of her to talk so loudly and over everyone else in the board room. (He or she who speaks loudest does NOT win!) I do think Trump was gonna fire Andy or Sandy, and on the basis of her "spunk" decided to keep her. But Andy deserved to go. It was totally degrading to see him "tip" the creative staff at PepsiCo, and to withhold their dinner. That isn't good management; it's dictatorship.

I think both Kevin and Jen are flying a tad bit under the radar, and I hope those two are the final two. Mostly by process of elimination, since I think the other three are my least favorite and the least qualified.

BTW, yes, Trump has women managing his organizations. That's what Carolyn does.

I'm with whomever said this season is not nearly as good as last. There seemed to be more variety in the contestants, but... heck, I don't know about you all, but no way would I wanna work for most of them! Ever!!!!!

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the white woman might win (just kidding ).

Seriously, does anyone get the impression that Trump is wondering how he ended up with this bunch?

Mssilhouette
Member

07-11-2001

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 12:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jimmer, I think he knows..it was the producers choice.

This season has been so much about marketing and sales and very little about anything doing with what it takes to run a business. (sure if you're running a marketing firm you're all set)

How many sponsers/tasks are we going to have to take? ice cream store(forgot name)/Crest, Dunkin Donuts, Levi, theknot.com, pepsi did I miss any?

Remember when it was about selling trump water or geting celebs for charity event or selling (no brand) lemonade? At least these tasks had a purpose.

This season, every other task seems to be about putting together a marketing plan of some type. WTF!

I'd like Kevin to win, Kelly is way too inflexiable on his ideas to really be an effect CEO. It's always his way or the highway.

Sadly, none of the women, this season were really chosen to be a CEO. When you really think about it, they were all picked to just fight and be catty.

BTW Maria and some other dark haired contestant graced the covered of Maxium. I guess she was picked for that job because again she was the one with the most experience at being semi nude on a magazine cover and she wasn't controlling.

I'm really wondering what next season (if there is one) is going to be about. I'm liking the Rebel Billionaire much better than Apprentice right now.

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The Rebel Billionaire is better than this and Survivor this year!!!

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 2:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'll put in a plug for the Rebel Billionaire as well. It's an entertaining show and for those who haven't watched it yet, it is still fairly early going and well worth catching.

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 5:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Why is referring to Kevin as black offensive?

If there were a redheaded guy in the mix, I bet he'd be referred to as "the redhead," (I am a redhead and people have ALWAYS referred to me as the redhead before they knew my name....)

Oh, I tried to see who/where "Kevin/black man" was posted, and I can't find it. Was the post offensive? Maybe that would explain it, but I honestly don't see that "Kevin is black" as offensive. Just like I do not think saying "Andy is white" is offensive.

Newman
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09-25-2004

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 6:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Julieboo, I think Pamy is angry with ME because I refer to Kevin as the "black guy", only because I can never remember his name!

I think that's good for Kevin. He's flying under the radar as has been said before. I think he has a great chance to win.

I don't see how Jen can possibly win if Trump watches his own show. I mean she's got "this" and "that" but what else? I don't see her as a great leader. Ivana I still think is innovative. Remember the Levi wheel. But maybe that's not CEO material.

I'm enjoying the second season but I only caught a couple of episodes from the first season so I have little to compare.

Liked Mssilhouette's critique of marketing campaigns for brand names being heavily stressed this time. I think that might be better to judge for future CEO material than if you can sell lemonade from a sidewalk
in Central Park.

Hukdonreality
Member

09-29-2003

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 8:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Geesh Julie, trying to stir things up in here? How the heck are ya, you trouble maker?

I knew exactly why Newman referred to Kevin as the black guy. I couldn't remember his name either. I don't see how the way he used the word black was offensive.

BTW, I was "the redhead" too...

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 11:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
ROTFL The trouble with Kevin is we are still all wondering HOW he got this far into the game considering he doesnt seem to really add much to the teams. under the radar is Perfect to describe him...hopefully he will Lead soon and show us what he is made of.

Frankly, When he told that girl to SHUT UP a few tasks ago (the one who kept changing her mind) I thought Kevin did not have the control to truly be inline for a TRUMP job win. Mind you, I thought the same thing about Troy.

*****

About this episode, I thought the plan for the Geography contest using cap liners was EXCELLENT. However, I just sat with my mouth open when I saw that HORRIFYING bottle design!!!

Plain Cartoonlike Globes at each end of a bottle?? Andy deserved to be fired just for okaying such a pathetic NON-hip NON-exciting NON-youthful design.

As for Jen, I like her. The ability to say what needs to be said and basically keep out of the fray has worked for her so-far. Ivana seems very jealous and what is with her constant comments about Jen's Chest??? Bizarre.

I was glad to see the end of Andy. His youthful inexperience was evident from the first episode, he never should have made it this far as he took someone else's position, in my opinion.

OH, and I never caught DT talking about Jen at all in the beginning of the show. Funny how we hear different things.

Gumby
Member

08-14-2004

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm not trying to speak for Pamy here, but I think her point is we all take the time to learn the other players names, but not Kevin's and she's wondering why that is? Maybe it's because he's not as visible on the show as some of the other players and we have difficulty remembering his name? Personally I don't find it offensive, but when I step back and think about what she means,I can understand why it may be considered offensive.

I don't see Kevin as flying under the radar. He's been project manager and has also been in the boardroom. He's willing to step up and disagree with a PM when he sees a project getting off track, just like he did with Elizabeth. Out of everyone left, he's my favorite to win.

Newman
Member

09-25-2004

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Can we be HONEST here? Pamy is upset because Pamy is black.

Why do the hypersensitive people in this world get all the attention? Why is that fair? Just because she is super-sensitive...maybe the answer is to grow a thicker skin.

Newman couldn't think of Kevin's name. Is that a HATE CRIME? Maybe Newman doesn't get paid as much as the other writers on this site. Maybe he is just plain LAZIER and didn't bother referring to his notes to remember the black guy's name! Geeeeeeze, it's not like he called him the N word. Let's not over-react.

Newman had trouble remembering Kelly's name too. To Newman he's just another white guy, nothing special.

This method of picking the next Apprentice seems so flawed to me. If you're not the Project Manager, how do we know if you can lead? If you are the PM you are in grave danger of being fired.

Isn't Bradford a better choice than Ivana? He got fired in week 1 because of over confidence! How stupid is that?! Why should players who fly under the radar be rewarded? That's like being rewarded for not taking chances.

PS I hope Newman didn't upset Pamy anymore. What about Newman's feelings? He doesn't like being called a racist :-(


Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 8:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hi Hukd!

Gumby, are you saying those who do not know Kevin by name, just don't take the time to learn his name because he is black? If you don't mean that, then why do we take the time to learn the others' names? Maybe because there is nothing that "sticks out" or makes them different from the others?

I really do not want to stir this pot. I just do not understand why someone would be offended by saying someone is black. It is a description, not a put down.

Pamy, I hope you know I am not trying to give you are hard time. I hope you don't think I am trying to mess with you.

Anyways, I actually think Kevin is the best out of the remaining 5. And I had this bizarre dream last night, where I threw Ivana out of a public bathroom, without her pants on!!!

Actually the only 2 remaining people that I think are even close to professional are Kevin and Kelly. (Even if Kelly does have a girl name!)




Luvmyjrt
Member

09-18-2003

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 8:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ummm, Newman, .....well, uh, I believe I have seen pictures of Pamy posted on the board before and um, well, I don't think she's black. Not that that matters. I just think that before you make such broad statements, you might want to clarify your facts.......

Personally, I find this whole conversation ridiculous!

Hukdonreality
Member

09-29-2003

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hey Newman, are you a Seinfeld fan? I see you're a mail carrier and you speak in the third person like Jimmy did on Seinfeld. I loved that episode!

You're right Luv (sounds like I'm getting a little personal here!) about the conversation being ridiculous.

BTW, I honestly can't always remember the people on Survivor either. Thank heavens I can remember Scout and Ami's names and don't have to say "the older/younger lesbian." I wouldn't want to be called homophobic any more than Newman wants to be considered (even remotely) "racist."

Nuff said by me, I'm running back under my rock

Gumby
Member

08-14-2004

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 11:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Julie, I'm not saying that at all. I was trying to understand Pamy's point, and from everything that she's said about it, that's what I understood her to mean. Newman, I don't think you are a racist. I have trouble with names too and I am just as guilty as the next as using descriptions when I don't know the name. Personally, I couldn't care less what anyones race is on this board. I just enjoy the conversations about The Apprentice. I apologize for stirring the pot a little further and for jumping in a middle of a conversation I wasn't a part of. I guess the peacemaker in me somtimes goes a little too far. I'm sorry.

Westtexan
Member

07-16-2004

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
So far, I'm rooting for Kelly (the white guy) or Kevin (the black guy) to win, but just kinda half-heartedly rooting since I've just recently and reluctantly accepted the fact that Bradford (the bald guy) probably isn't going to pull off a win since Trump (the bad hair guy) decided to fire him. Just hoping Jennifer (the busty, blond), Sandy (the noisy, blond) and Ivana (the asian-looking chick)don't fly under the radar all the way to the end. (I'm an equal opportunity offender.)



Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL. Awesome post Westtexan. I particularly liked your description for Trump.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ok--back to topic folks.

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm just generally disappointed in the qualities that these contestants are showing, particularly with leadership and teamwork skills. They just don't seem to be effective.

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was going to come in here and tell Newman, thanks for clarifying until I read his last post.

It doesn't matter what color I am and MY color has nothing to do with what I wrote!

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 1:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I will clarify...Like Gumby said, the show is over half over and we know all the names except Kevin's???

There are other ways to describe a person beside their color.

I must admit I hadn't seen Newman post except in here and thought he was deliberatly trying to start trouble by constantly refering to Kevin as the black guy.

Welcome to the board Newman!

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well I tried to get back to the topic.