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Buggles
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09-07-2002

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well said, Fruitbat

This was not a 'team player' move at all. Bradford said something like, 'Ivana performed poorly... whereas I performed great... in fact I did SO great that I would be willing to give up my exemption"

I think his later 'reasoning' in the cab was something he just made up to try to save face, and THAT'S why he didnt mention it in the boardroom.

He was ASSUMING that Trump was going to play by certain rules & risked his very survival on this. Nothing more dangerous in business... which is why Trump fired him.

Trump was very clear that while Bradford was the best candidate in other ways, it was outweighed by him being by far the greatest potential liability. The one who would be willing to risk everything impulsively when there was no reason to.

It was a fantastic lesson (imho :-)).

Though I still felt sorry for Bradford. He wouldnt have won anyway though.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
um Native...Bradford's car WON....the kids LOVED it. That was how he got the exemption. He was the boss, the others were making lousy suggestions, he took control and went with his better idea (as agreed upon by both the Mattel execs and the focus group...and even Trump).

He might not have won it, but he sure is a stronger and more intelligent business person than Stacie or Ivana, or others there, and Trump made a "shocking" choice for ratings NOT a business decision. I stand by it being a poor one. Of course Trump just lost all his casino's, so Mr. Success has had plenty of poor work too IMHO.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lurk, Bradford wanted a remote control football player. The Mattel people said they didn't think it would work. So he suggested the car with interchangeable parts. The was actually the women's idea, but he made it look like his original idea morphed into the car.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My memory is the only one that thought up or wanted a remote car was Bradford...No?

Mssilhouette
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07-11-2001

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Okay here's what i want to know. How come Stacie (she spells her name exactly like mine..so it's like I'm on the show..cept I'm not that "batty")

So now I'm going to defend my name twin just for a bit. So outside of her getting a little too excited and nervous at the first competition, what has she really done that's so dang "batty". I mean really, now. Actually I thought her idea of calling for extra bodies to sell ice cream wasn't that off the wall.
I believe she's being labed (obviously this is a reality show) as the batty one. I really didn't think the other women had ground to kick her out based on that. I'm sorry but who cares if she gave the wrong directions. Espcially if the other team was across the freaking street. How could you not see them!?

I actually think she acted pretty mature considering how the other women treated her with the big pow wow in the living room.

I did find it interesting that Ivana's friend set her up. Ms Short black hair cut, vocal cutthroat woman, set her up. And it was really silly of Ivana to take the bait. "I' would like to nominate Ivana for leader" C'mon now that wasn't because they were friends, she already knew this girl didn't have the skills.

It was actually a well planned moved. Get the two weakest people out the way. Stacie and Ivana. If Brandford had'nt been so silly trying to been General one of them would have been gone.

If not Ivana then Stacie....Branford screwed up the plan.

BTW, what is with Pamela on the other team. I know they tried to make it seem as if she was just asking a bunch of needless questions, but they did have to know how long it took for the machines to make ice cream.

Anyway, this version of Apprentice seems to be resorting to many a tricks in the old bag. LIke I noticed how the Pam from the men's team had a big drink from Dunkin Donuts even before had the brillant idea to add in donuts. Now I smell me some editing and manipulating. It can't be just random that the cup was there. Obviously they already knew what flavor they were going to make and where to get the donuts.

I'm going to take this year's APprentice with an eyebrow raise and a grain of salt. This is not a contest it's just a sitcom with a cast of characters.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Stacie tried to line up 5 temps to help them sell the ice cream. Had they done that, most of their money would have gone to salaries and why on earth did they need more people gathered around the cart?

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Was the cost of the donuts deducted from Mosaic's earnings? I seem to remember they were concerned about the cost.

Weren't there questions last season about where they got the money to spend on projects and, if so, did we ever get any answers?

Do we know if they can get advances which are deducted from the earnings or if they are alloted a certain amount?

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
They did deduct the donut price. I assume they have money to spend on these projects. Anything they need, which will of course be deducted.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 1:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What were Bradford's parting words? Perhaps shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii* ?

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 2:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for the clarification Native and Pamy! I thought I had gone nuts! LOL.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL Who!! Re: the cost...the other team didn't have to pay for ingredients, the ic company said they had all the ingredients. I guess they didn't stock donuts.

Puttergirl
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08-11-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 4:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lurknomore, it was the women who proposed the car with interchangeable parts. The following is from the episode recap on the NBC website:

"Apex, led by Bradford, had their own brainstorming powwow. At first, the women seemed to be pitching girl toys for boys (like an Easy Bake Oven for boys). In an interview, Bradford said he worried that the women would not be able to understand what little boys want in a toy. Bradford pitched a remote control football head. The women weren't sold on it. Maria raised the issue that not all kids would be into sports. The women pitched another idea: a remote control car with interchangeable parts. But Bradford stuck with his idea. And in opposition to many on his team, he said that he was making "an executive decision" and was going with the football head. Maria was a bit frustrated, to say the least. In an interview, she said, "I thought to myself, if I could just get my hands around his throat... his jugular... I would absolutely take him out right now." When Apex met with the Mattel design team, Bradford pitched his football head toy. The designers said that they had seen something similar before and didn't think the product would be a success. Bradford then backed off his brainchild and pitched a remote control car with interchangeable parts (yes, the idea that the women had come up with). The designers really liked it. They said they'd have to pull an all-nighter, but they would produce a working prototype of the toy."

Puttergirl
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08-11-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 4:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Speaking of the NBC episode recaps, here how they described the boardroom when Trump fired Bradford:

"... Trump then called the four back into the boardroom. Trump told Ivana that she was a lousy leader. He said that Jennifer C. always seemed to talk at the wrong time. And he said that Stacie J. was hated by all. But, he said that while he thought Bradford was "terrific" and "the best one in the room," Bradford had made a stupid, impulsive and life-altering decision by giving up his exemption. Trump said that it's that kind of single, impulsive decision that can destroy a company. So, Trump fired Bradford. Shocked, Ivana held her face in her hands and repeated, "Oh my God." Bradford, who had started the day by being exempt, was fired."

I think Trump's reasoning makes sense when you read it spelled out like this.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 4:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just don't believe that Trump never made a statement like Bradford's in a attempt at bravado when negotiating a deal. To me, Bradford's statement was equal to saying something like "if you don't accept these terms we walk".

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 4:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Bradford basically said, I am not afraid of you. I believe I am invincable because I did very well today. You won't fire me. Very arrogant.

What Trump may or may not do in the real business world has no bearing on this game. He is looking for basic skills and the way each one handles themselves as a leader, part of a team and individually in the board room.

He just didn't like what he saw in Bradford and fired him. His call.


Carlcalif
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09-17-2004

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 5:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Impulsive tactics not based on strategy, not based on "advantaging" yourself" and therefore ultimately not advantaging Trump Enterprises as a worker/leader was Bradfords undoing. Trump is looking for leadership skills based on being a "straight talker" and "pacesetter" - Bradford really hit a Trump hot button, so hot was Trump that he easily overlooked the more mediocre performances that day.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 5:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The reason I don’t think Trump would ever pick Pam as his apprentice is because she doesn’t evoke loyalty and she’s not likable.

I don’t think she has the type of personality that people would like to work for and give them their all. She’d be a great middle management type, you know, the kind that plays bad cop…every organization needs one. But, as far as leading the troops no way she doesn’t have it.

Last season for the final mission everyone on Bill’s team, with all the baggage of the game, well they still did a decent job for if because they respected him, he was likable and loyalty followed.


Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, September 17, 2004 - 7:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
One thing I noticed last night was that over the final credits it says something like "The producers discuss with Mr. Trump the possible scenarios involved in the firings.." etc. On one level I know this, but on another level I think Bradford's firing might be a production decision. But I'm prolly crazy.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 5:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh I think it was both. Production has it's eye on good entertainment value and consults with him. That is why Sam was kept on more week last season. Trump admitted that he was kept for ratings. He knew he would fire him at some point so it didn't matter.

Trump is a business man and creating this show for entertainment. He does not try to pass this off as anything else. He does say that since he is offering the winner a job he has control over the final decision and won't fire anyone he thinks will be a good employee no matter how entertaining that will be.

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 7:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Native_Texan - each team is given a certain amount of "start-up money" for each project. That money is deducted from their earnings to establish the profit.

Carolyn even made a comment about how Mosiac actually made more money ("scooped more ice-cream") because they bought ingredients AND donated a portion of their money to charity.

Last season on the official Apprentice website they used to show the Dossiers of each task which laid out the rules and amount of money the team got.

I wish the website still had that because sometimes it helped explain for some of the things we saw transpire in a task.

Like I found myself wondering if they all had to sell the gelatto at the same price? or could they chose the price to sell it at? (like the lemonade last year)
I didn't catch them discussing anything about pricing. maybe I missed it?

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
edited
posted message in other thread (Bradford's fired)

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Luv, thanks. That's what I thought. I did notice on Mosaic's cart the price was $5.00. I never heard a price for Apex. I can't imagine paying $5 for a little cup of ice cream but I guess when in New York....

Blue Homemade Vanilla and Krispy Kreme are absolute heaven!

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, September 20, 2004 - 12:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the Donald knows he can get rid of Ivana whenever he chooses. She will have a huge target on her now because the others know that she was close to getting fired (besides he HATES that name...LOL).

I think she showed a major weakness by reacting so strongly to Bradford's filing. She should have pretended that she was confident all along that she wasn't getting fired. Showing emotion and weakness doesn't win points in Trump's world. She won't last long.

Lauder
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07-14-2004

Monday, September 20, 2004 - 1:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Trump made the right decision in firing Bradford. Yes, I'm sure Trump could only be that successful by taking big risks and backing people into a corner with a decision. A big risk is worth taking if there's a potential big gain. But there's taking big risks and then there's just throwing things away. Bradford had nothing to gain by waiving his exemption except stroking his ego. It was saying he was so good that he doesn't need an exemption. How can Trump trust Bradford in charge of his multi-million dollar projects and for Bradford not to be throwing away and wasting Trump's money and resource because he wanted to show off?