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Archive through December 14, 2004

The TVClubHouse: Other Reality Shows ARCHIVES: Apprentice II: Episode 12/09/04 (Spoiler needed!!!): Archive through December 14, 2004 users admin

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Boberg
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10-04-2002

Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 7:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"I also think DT seems a lot of himself in Kelly--and there isn't anyone who impresses DT more than DT himself."

ROFLMAO...love that line Lance...so true

Jan
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08-01-2000

Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 8:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Great sleuthing. Luvmykitties!!!! I was pretty sure that I had read it here

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hmm is being 37 a disadvantage? On the one hand, he is older, on the other, is it fair to compete against someone with 10 yrs less experience...

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"I will not hold my opponents youth against him"

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
One of the best debate lines ever!

They sure are making it look like Kelly is the winner????

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 6:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought last year there was a cut-off age, way below 37 for the Apprentice and it was said it was because Trump wanted someone young enough who would give more years to his organization or not be too "something" (I forget! lol)

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 7:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
DT and the group were positively gushing about Kelly being trained in the Military and how that helps him as a Leader or as a follower.

Yet, I never noticed these qualities in Kelly when he lead the teams. Instead I found him ineffectual in many ways, winning ONLY because the other team really messed up their task.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 12:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A couple of inconsistencies I noticed. DT said Kevin was essentially the most overeducated person he had ever seen but Kelly has the same (??) Also he told Ivana she couldnt advance to the F4 because she lost too much but Kwame always lost (??)

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 12:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sun, ditto what you said re Kelly! I cant stand assumptions that are made in interviews... e.g. Sandy is an entrepreneur so she probably cant take orders but Kelly can because he was in the military. Why even bother with the 'interview' if you are going to judge them on the basis of stereotypes instead of their performance??

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 4:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
On Kelly's website, he has a place to contact him/his business for appearances, hirings etc. Do you think that he would be ALLOWED to do that, if he won? I guess technically, they don't yet KNOW who won, so maybe they are free to go "back to work", but I think it's fishy that Kelly is available. If he won, wouldn't running his business at the same time be a conflict of interest?

Just a thought.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I didn't think Trump said that Kevin was "overeducated", I just thought he said that Kevin was one of the most educated people he's met...or something like that. I could be wrong though.

Fabnsab
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08-07-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 10:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think that was DTs way of saying, " I don't really have a good enough reason to fire you over Jen so I'll just sweettalk you."

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 1:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
But Buggles, Kwame never dropped trou in a misguided attempt to try and win. Aside from the fact that Ivana lost every project she managed, she did the unforgivable. Can you imagine working for someone (an apprentice, no less) who dropped her skirt on national TV in order to try to win? I'd quit my job in a heartbeat.

I think Kevin's problem was that he never seemed to have a particular goal in mind. It's all well and good to go to school, but at some point you have to say "OK, I've got all the education I need, let's do something about real-world experience." A professional student has always seemed like (in my opinion) someone who either has no direction or no courage. (Obviously, my opinion!!! No flames!)

I think Kelly's military background will, ultimately, be his downfall. You saw it when he managed projects... it was his way or now way at all. He's not a good "leader" -- he's good at ordering. Huge difference!

Although I'm not so impressed with Jen's management skills (so far, what we've seen of this final project), I really hope she gets to hear "you're hired!" I think she has more "apprentice like" qualities than Kelly. Kelly wouldn't be an apprentice; he'd want to be the be all and end all.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The winner hasn't been decided yet, has it? Isn't the finale live? I could be wrong but that is my impression. I think until then the contestants are free to do what they choose, short of giving away the winner or in any other way breaking their contract.

But again, I'm sure y'all let me know if I'm wrong...LOL!

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's all well and good to go to school, but at some point you have to say "OK, I've got all the education I need, let's do something about real-world experience." A professional student has always seemed like (in my opinion) someone who either has no direction or no courage.

Asa someone who probably qualifies as a "professional student"--I can't really imagine a more derogatory term for someone who pursues education and knowledge--I can confirm that most of us interact with the real world on a daily basis. But my professional student-dom is only in service of a doctorate, so perhaps I can be forgiven for my lack of courage. I will tell my friends who are J.D., M.D.s or M.D., Ph.D.s [or in pursuit thereof] that they should reexamine their "lack of direction" and try to figure out other ways to disappoint their mothers...that is, besides having both a doctorate and a M.D.

I personally honor Kevin's commitment to education almost as much as I honor his sacrifice to his brother.

Gumby
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08-14-2004

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 4:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tishala, it appears there is a big difference in Kevin and you when it comes to education. You have a definite goal in mind, your doctorate. Kevin went to law school and then stated he had no interest in being an attorney. I think that is what Costa meant by being a professional student...it appears he has no goal. I commend you for all your hard work towards your doctorate. I only wish I had gone further than I had with my education. Good luck and congratulations in advance!

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 6:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The thing is that Kevin told them he DID have a goal in mind... being a well-equipped chief operating officer. I think it was completely unfair of them to dismiss that. I dont know if it served as an easy excuse to characterize him as someone with 'no direction' or if they simply could not grasp his foresight.

Ironically Kelly has both a JD & an MBA but this wasnt even mentioned. Instead DT oddly said something like Kevin was the most educated person he had ever met (???)

I think if Trump didnt want Kevin, he should have just told him that he inspired less confidence with his comparative lack of business experience. It didnt make sense to me to characterize his education as a negative.

Fabnsab
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08-07-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 8:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Trump referred to Kevins education versus his work experience. He just put it in different words.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 8:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tishala. I said it was my opinion. I'm entitled to my opinion.

Upstate
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01-16-2004

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 9:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
it was stated kelly is a great team player. i thought he was one of the worse. kelly was always about the bottom line.......his bottom. his first priority imo was covering himself for the boardroom. then a distant 2nd was completing and winning the task. andy pointed this out very clearly when he was manager.......the time he won. i think that is why kelly and ivana got on so well.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 10:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Costa, I understand and I respect that. My opinion differs from yours.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Monday, December 13, 2004 - 11:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Costa, I just saw your post above... I agree that Ivana should have been fired for dropping trou, absolutely! I was just referencing DT's comments regarding her losing record. If I were her I would have noted that it paralleled Kwame's. Personally I think they both deserved to be fired. I actually cant believe DT was considering Kwame with that performance record.

Fabnsab
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08-07-2000

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 1:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This show is called the Apprentice yet they constantly state they're looking for the next CEO of one of DTs companies- an immediate position. These are conflicting terms and positions. You can't be both! If you want a ready made CEO, Kellys your guy. If you want someone who you are going to mold into a CEO down the road, Kevin or Andy are good choices.

This show has to truly define what position they're looking to fill. Until that happens, we'll often wonder why one gets chosen over another.



Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 1:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The apprentice is just a catchy title. Like Branson's Quest for the Best 'rebel millionaire' is a very POOR title...which is why no one is watching it,imho.

so far was a great show though....but doesnt have the same feel as the Apprentice.

Mssilhouette
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07-11-2001

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well if we're talking about the name of the show you can also mention that DT says "You're fired" when actually aren't they on a job interview so technically no one has been hired so therefore one cannot be "fired"

But hey that's just mashing taters.

Kelly as a CEO would be very single minded. I don't know if that's supposed to be good or not, somehow I think not. I'd rather work for Kevin who would take in ideas of his executives. But then again we're talking about Trump. So he just wants someone to follow orders period.

I'm waiting for them to cancel or improve this show back to the first season....wait I take that back. Just end it already. :-)