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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, June 22, 2007 - 11:54 am
I just thought that I would start a thread so we could speculate about what will happen in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 4:35 pm
There's a "spoiler" going around the web right now. Someone who goes by the name of Gabriel, states that he hacked into an employee's computer at the publisher's in London, and got a copy of the last book, "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows." I've read it myself, and for his explanation of things, and how he states he hacked in, I don't really believe it and think it's just someone playing a joke. However, in case it, either by stroke of luck of him guessing, or in fact it is true, I'm of course putting it in a spoiler box.
Spoiler Click below to view spoiler | He states that Hagrid is killed by Snape. Voldemort kills Hermione. Supposedly Ron and Hermione flee to Privet Drive at some point, where Voldemort ambushes them. Hermione fights to try and protect Ron, but ends up being killed. Then Harry comes and saves the day. He then adds as an afterthought that Draco Malfloy starts to create a Horcrux for himself. You can read the actual posting at insecure.org. | Needless to say, I believe this one to be false, if only in my judgement of "Gabriel's" poor descriptions and bad grammer skills. 
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, June 22, 2007 - 9:54 am
Neko, I"m with you, I believe that to be false also - but I am surprised there are no other "hints" out there! (I know there are a few advanced copies that people have read!!) I'm still curious as to who will not survive - part of me thinks as an author she will kill off the main characters so no other writer will take up the storyline in the future! (remember gone with the Wind sequel?) Then there is the Soprono's last show... hmmmm wonder if that is a possibility!! (j/k) I'm so ready to read the last book! We went to see Nancy Drew yesterday and the trailer for Harry Potter, dd and I decided they showed the whole movie in the 3 min trailer!!
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Friday, June 22, 2007 - 11:05 am
Well, just to be on the safe side I shan't look at the hidden message (thanks for putting it in a spoiler box, Neko). When DH is released, I'm thinking of dropping out until I finish the book - avoiding the computer, tv, and radio as much as possible. I just remember when GoF came out and someone revealed the ending in an email subject heading. My refresher readings (well, listenings - I've been using the tapes while doing yard work) have already taken me through OotP and HBP. So I went back to GoF and am now on PoA. It's a weird order to listen, I know, but since my new car doesn't have a tape deck, I figured I'd only have time to do the last two books again before DH is released. I just didn't count on how much yard work I'd be doing, lol. Anyway, there's been many details I had forgotten or overlooked. Just to pick two from HBP - 1) Dumbledore says it would have taken two people to get the horcrux from the lake, but the boat was likely enchanted so as only one qualified wizard would be allowed to travel in it at a time. Now we all think R.A.B. was probably Regulas but who went with him? Was it a squib, a muggle, or an underage wizard? Or perhaps a magical creature who wasn't a wizard or witch? Or would the boat let them take two trips which would mean two fully qualified wizards could have gone to the island? I've thought of a few "out there" possibilities, lol. Btw, I was totally taken with the notion that Regulas could have been hiding out as Stubby Boardman (sp?) but finally realized when Kreacher obeyed Harry that there must not be any immediate members of the Black family still alive (not including extended family such as Bellatrix, Narcissa, Tonks) so that theory is shot. 2) Assuming Harry does return to Hogwarts for at least part of his seventh year, who will be the new HoH for Gryffindor? McGonagall will stay on as headmistress, I would think. The only teacher on staff we know was a Gryffindor is Hagrid but I'm having trouble picturing him being HoH, lol. Of course Lupin was a Gryffindor and it seems they need a new DADA teacher again. Or maybe it will be someone else. Lots more ideas questions but that's enough for now. P.S. Hi Reader234!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, June 22, 2007 - 11:48 am
Many people suspect that the person who went with Regulas was Kreacher, the Black family house elf.
Spoiler Click below to view spoiler | JKR gave away Kreacher's overall importance to the story by insisting that his character be included in the earlier movies when the writers were talking about leaving him out. So Kreacher will probably be doing something else important in the last book. |
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, June 22, 2007 - 12:02 pm
Another big question that I am still debating myself is: "Is Snape truly a bad guy"? On the surface it obviously appears that he is a bad guy but I think it would be more interesting if somehow he turns out to be a good guy after all.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, June 22, 2007 - 12:32 pm
I'm hoping he does turn out to be good. I've been saying all along he is but who knows?! I also think part of that is my love of Alan Rickman.
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Reiki
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Friday, June 22, 2007 - 1:40 pm
This is the one book that I will need to be spoiled for, so that I can prepare myself for whatever comes. I can understand why the author would want to kill off her main character so that no one else could ever write a sequel, but I'm not sure if that does justice to the story. The story must come first, the needs of the author second. I just can't wrap my head around what the end resulting story is if Harry dies. Tolkien faced this same problem when he was writing the Lord of the Rings and his first impulse was to have Frodo die with Gollum, throwing the ring into the fire. Frodo would have completed the quest, but would have died to do it. Tolkien couldn't do it. It would have made it a much different story. Instead good triumphs over evil. I hope Harry gets to triumph too.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, June 22, 2007 - 2:11 pm
I agree. It could send a bad message if Harry dies. Plus people might continue to write more books anyway. And it would be very depressing. I've read the whole series twice and I'm in the process of reading it again. LOL - I know that I need to get a life but I am also a very very fast reader so it's not as bad as it sounds. I'm fascinated by all the clues that I have picked up the second time around. She was very clever in writing these. Things that I ignored the first time stand out a lot more.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Friday, June 22, 2007 - 5:02 pm
LOL Calamity...you threw me for a minute when I read your post! When DH is released, I'm thinking of dropping out until I finish the book - avoiding the computer, tv, and radio as much as possible. I immediately thought "oh no is her husband in the hospital or jail?" Poor Calamity and then I read on and it dawned on me you meant Deathly Hallows. I am so relieved!
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Friday, June 22, 2007 - 8:27 pm
ROFLMAO Supergranny!!!!!!!!
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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 11:53 am
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Monday, June 25, 2007 - 1:54 pm
Lol, Supergranny! I actually wondered if that abbreviation would cause confusion but figured, what the heck, they'll figure it out. Jimmer: Ah, I think Kreacher is the most likely suspect too (although some far out candidates have occurred to me too, lol). If it was Kreacher, that could explain why the locket had been saved. I've always loathed Snape (I think I've mentioned that before) but must admit he is perhaps the most enigmatic and compelling character in the books since we don't know where his allegiance actually lies. I've always figured he was a renegade agent using both Dumbledore and Voldemort for his own plans. But re-reading HBP this latest time, I've concluded he probably will be revealed as truly having been working for Dumbledore's side, albeit reluctantly, perhaps. I still think he's a b*stard though, so hateful to Harry, Neville, and others. Two others whose loyalities/fates I'm wondering about are Draco and Percy. I like the Weasley family so much that I can't help hoping Percy comes back to the fold. I hate Draco for, well, lots of things, but especially for trying to have Buckbeak executed. But is there a chance he will turn away from the Death Eaters?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 8:30 am
I think that Draco has already turned away from the Death Eaters when he did not kill Dumbledore. By not killing Dumbledore, he effectively refused to follow Voldemort's command. So I think Draco is stuck between a rock and a hard place! IMO Percy is one of the least likable characters in the book. It is possible that JK will have him redeem himself in some way in the final book. I think (and hope) that Snape will end up doing something good in the final book. Although he has been outwardly nasty in various ways (particularly to Harry), I have always felt some sympathy for him, being an outcast and the butt of James' and Sirius' teasing and humiliation.
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Reiki
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 9:03 am
House unity has been an important message in the previous books. Remember the sorting hat had a whole new song about house unity and a reminder of what close friends Salazar Slytheran and Godric Gryffindor were before their falling out. Either Snape and/or Draco have a role to play in the outcome of this story. Draco has done some terrible things over the years, but he has had some terrible thing done to him as well. I have to admit that I am hoping for a favorable outcome for both Snape and Draco in the end.
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Dolphinschild
Member
06-22-2006
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 4:07 pm
This is my speculation of some events so far: The main character's that are speculated to die in this book I believe are Ron, Hermione and Harry. Reason for the first two, is Voldemort is going to strike at Harry to weaken him more by taking out the people he loves the most. Parents are already gone, and two more beloved character's. (one from book 5 and 6) so that leaves only Ron and Hermione. I think the prophecy from book 5 is a key to book 7. I think the prophecy is not really about one having to kill the other (Voldermort and Harry), but for one to die, so does the other. So I believe Harry will have to die in book 7, for Voldemort to truely die. I ordered my book and already put $10.00 down to guarantee a copy at my local book store, so I will see in a few weeks. It would be interesting to see if Snape was really on Dumbledore's side, especially after his last act in book 6. (trying to not say anything in case no one has read book 5 and 6) That act alone begs to differ and has me puzzled. Before reading book 6, I thought he was putting on a act by playing good guy, but I was hoping he wasn't. That deep down, good over came him. *sigh* I guess in a few weeks will find out huh?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 4:20 pm
Wow that is an interesting prediction! I find it hard to believe that all three will die. Although it is an advanced series and the characters are getting older and the books are getting correspondingly sophisticated, they are still to a degree children's books. I find it hard to believe that JKR would kill off the three main favorite characters in the last book. I'm not certain that Harry will survive and I have a lot of fear for Ginny, but I can't see her killing all three. I'm still holding out hope that Snape is a good guy for a number of reasons, despite his killing Dumbledore in the last book. Dumbledore's actions were not those of a man that wished to live. (I think that we can safely talk about what happened in The Half-Blood Prince because I think it is safe to say that anyone looking in this area should probably have read all the books).
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Dolphinschild
Member
06-22-2006
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 5:09 pm
Thanks Jimmer. Your right Ginny is at risk, because she is pretty powerful in her own right. Being it is a children series, I still wouldn't have expected her to have Snipe kill off Dumbledore either. Each book gets darker and darker, so it will be interesting to see where she is going to take it. She has had all 7 books planned from beginning to end. I am hoping Snape deep down is a good guy too, and I have always hoped Draco would be UNLIKE his father. I always try to look for the good in everything and everyone, but it is hard when so many has not stepped up lol. So you think Dumbledore was growing to tired? There is a roomer that one of the main character's who died comes back. We know he is in the painting. There is also more power in being a martyr too.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 5:26 pm
I'm not sure if it was because Dumbledore was too tired. He just didn't do the things that he could have done in order to survive. Between him and Harry they could have easily defeated Draco and flown off. Fawkes was no where to be seen and he could have been a huge help. He spent a seemingly endless amount of time chatting with Draco. He just didn't do what he should have done to survive. Interesting about a main character returning. I thought that might be Sirius returning in some form. He and Harry never used the mirror that he gave him. I also think that there is a chance for redemption for Draco and I think Snape will be a good guy (not perfect obviously but a good guy).
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Dolphinschild
Member
06-22-2006
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 5:46 pm
There were a few spots in the previous books I was like: "HUH" And what you stated about Dumbledore not doing what he needed to do to survive was one of them. Dumbledore was quite capable to stop that whole scenerio from happening as it did. I hope that RK reveals the reason for writing it that way in book 7. She has certainly left us puzzled through all the series.
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 9:33 pm
We know Voldemort was making Horcruxes, and Dumbledore said he thought that Voldemort created a Horcrux when he killed Lily & James. Upon re-reading, I am wondering if Voldemort didn't accidentally create a Horcrux when he created Harry's scar? That would mean what many have speculated to be true, that Harry has to die for Voldemort to die. It would be dark, but it would also show that JKR did indeed have the entire story planned, with only a few variations available.
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Dolphinschild
Member
06-22-2006
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 10:10 pm
That is where my theory comes from Lycan and I think the key is the prophecy from book 5, and the Horcrux story line from book 6 supports it. It is also stated in the book that wasn't really stated in detail in the movie about how connected Harry and Voldemort are connected. The book describes it better then the movie does. Linked as one. When I watched the movie and the prophecy spoke of "One can not be without the other", (paraphrasing) I took it as; for one to die so does/must the other. She said that she has had the story planned from beginning to end, and she wasn't able to deviate from the story at all. That is why she wasn't able to rewrite Sirius or Dumbledore dying in it. Her husband was upset because she cried so much writing their deaths and he tried to get her to rewrite the stories, but she wouldn't because they were planned from the beginning.
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 10:51 pm
So if that's true, then Harry will have to die to kill Voldemort. I don't like that ending, but I can see why it has to be...
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Dolphinschild
Member
06-22-2006
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 11:08 pm
I don't like it either, but we will see in a few weeks.
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Dolphinschild
Member
06-22-2006
| Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 11:13 pm
If I remember right, Dumbledore told Harry that when Voldemort tried to kill Harry and gave him the scar, he gave Harry some of his power, without realizing he was doing it. He didn't realize him and Harry would become linked. That is why Harry was able to speak to the HUGE snake before (snake tongue). Only Voldemort was able to do that before, a rare gift.
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