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Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
Alisons, to answer your question:


In THBP, Draco used the "Expelliremus" spell to take Dumbledore's wand as he (Draco) entered the headmaster's office. This happened moments before Snape killed Dumbledore. Thus, the wand belonged to Draco; in DH, Harry captured Draco's wand, making Harry the owner of the Elder wand.

I loved the book. I too thought the epilogue was a bit "cheesy", but you know, I think she needed to write it to try and prevent further writing about the characters. I loved that H and G named their son Albus Severus. . . Kind of surprised there was no little Fred though. And Scorpius Malfoy? Hilarious.

I agree with earlier statements- I love that so many characters had something to do with Voldemort's downfall-- Percy, Luna, Kreacher and especially Neville. I love that he's the one to kill Nagini.

I hadn't thought of the fact that she kept her children "clean". Good point.

Of the deaths, it was Dobby's that caught me most off guard. Moody's surprised me too. And Fred. But I like that she didn't cop out and not kill major characters. There had to be losses for the "good guys".

Such wonderful characters. I appreciate Dumbledore even more now knowing his flaws-- and knowing that he recognized his own potential for evil.

I'm grieving the end of this phase of this wonderful series. I say this phase, though, because I can't wait to re-read it in years to come and to notice even more subtleties.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 1:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
So.. when does book 8 come out?

Dolphinschild
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06-22-2006

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dolphinschild a private message Print Post    
discussion, discussion, discussions....

I think she should write a book about the development of each character in between the 19 years. I wished she made the epiloge longer, it was to short. For instance, someone mentioned the question about Harry's grandparents. There are a lot of things missing, such as Story of Luna and others.

I saw the epiloge as not a closure to keep from other writings. I saw it as a door that could be opened for more writings. When she said, the Scar has not botherered harry for 19 years, that doesn't mean it was no longer going to bother him. I saw a door that could be opened that the scar was dorment for so many years and now all of a sudden the scar is bothering harry, which would lead to some other writing. Because to make it finite clear of ending, she should have wrote, the scar never burned or bothered Harry again. That would bring complete closure.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
It may surprise some people, but I do not want JK to write anything more beyond some kind of appendix or Hogwarts encyclopedia. I think the story needs to end exactly where it ended, otherwise it becomes just another story that goes on too long and it will be diluted and lose its magic.

Dolphinschild
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06-22-2006

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dolphinschild a private message Print Post    
I think the encyclopedia of all the character's would be fitting for the final book of this series. That way we can get all the loose ends tied up and find out about all the character's that wasn't mentioned in the epiloge. That is how I would like it to end.

I think opening a new journey with the children would be good, if she can make it seperate from their parents experience, but also have it as intriguing and entertaining as the original. If she isn't able too then she should leave it alone, with the exception of the encyclopedia.

Maybe we should write and mentioned the Encylopedia idea to her. tie up loose ends in this addition and give each character their due, but nothing more.

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
I'm with you Hermione! More is not always better. This is a magical series that will remain peerless, I think, for generations to come. More books would spoil it. I know we don't know about everything that happened to all of the characters, but that's how real life works, too.

JK Rowling has accomplished something amazing. I think trying to do more would tarnish this series.

I've been thinking of the book non-stop since finishing. Looking back, one of the most profound scenes for me is Snape's death. With his last words, he says "Look at me." At the time, I didn't understand what he wanted Harry to see. Now I see that he just wanted to see Lily's eyes one more time. How beautiful.

Have I mentioned that I love this book????

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 5:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Well, I am in the minority I guess cause I would love to have more of the characters. I told my hubby I would like a book of short stories on each character and how their life unfolds.

Albus (Harry's son) reminds me of Harry in book 1.

Scotchbright
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10-05-2006

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 6:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scotchbright a private message Print Post    
I finished the book last night - too late to get online and discuss, etc. Now, this morning, a few questions are bugging me.

In the epilogue, we hear one of the kids saying that Teddy Lupin is 'snogging' their cousin, Victorie (Bill and Fluer's daughter?) on the train, right? If the epilogue is 19 years later, why is a 19½ year old Teddy Lupin on the train to Hogwarts? Did I totally miss something? I haven't had time to go back to the epilogue to re-read, but did don't most witches/wizards stop attending Hogwarts around 18? What am I missing?

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 6:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Good catch!! I didn't even think about that. I guess you could say that there is no reason to assume Teddy was heading to Hogwarts. Maybe he is at the station to *snog* his 17 yr old girlfriend or perhaps he is seeing off his younger siblings and made a friend behind the bleachers. LOL

Scotchbright
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10-05-2006

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 6:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scotchbright a private message Print Post    
He wouldn't have any younger siblings - but you're right, he could have just 'been there to snog his girlfriend' as she was leaving for Hogwarts....there are a few explanations, but I was just curious if I had missed something or not. I don't have the book in front of me (I'm at work) and I really wanted to understand why he would be there. But, Rissa, your explanation works!

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 6:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Duh, actually duh twice because again I missed the spoiler space.

Of course he wouldn't have younger siblings, that was just silly and I would appreciate it if you could forget I even mentioned it.

Scotchbright
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10-05-2006

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 6:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scotchbright a private message Print Post    
LOL - Rissa! You're such a good sport this early in the morning. I'm just glad you're here and responding so that I'm not going crazy. I have a zillion little pieces from the book zooming in my head - but I should be working!

I should have timed reading the end of the book better. Ending it at night wasn't the best plan for me. I couldn't sleep well after that - and when I did, I was dreaming of the book.

Neko
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08-03-2001

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 6:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Neko a private message Print Post    
Spoiler space I guess...

I just assumed that he was there to send Victorié off to Hogwarts and not there to go himself. It would have been nice to have a little side message from Ginny or someone saying "shouldn't he be at work?" or something to explain that he wasn't there for schooling. LOL
But that's what I assumed anyway.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Obligatory spoiler space.....

Harry's parents look to be in their mid-30's in the flashbacks but most people would have children in mid to late 20's. So at their death James' parents would likely be mid 40's to mid 60's at most. Unless something extraordinary happened they should still be alive!!! It's bugging me more than it should but did JKR overlook this angle? 'All pure-blood wizarding families are related somehow'. Except the Potters? Because Harry has zero cousins, aunts, uncles, etc coming out of the woodwork. Sirius says he loved staying at the Potters, this was when he left his own home in his late teens, right? So where are they? It would take one sentence to say they died during Voldemort's first reign of terror. Did I miss that sentence? If I could ask JKR to clear up one thing, that would be it.

Scotchbright
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10-05-2006

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 7:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scotchbright a private message Print Post    
Yeah, if we could ask JK a few questions, it would help, wouldn't it?

I also want to know what happened in the 6 or so years between the end of Deathly Hollows and the couples having babies. If Albus was just now heading to Hogwarts that means he's 11 years old - his older brother James is a year (or more) older so he's maybe 12 or 13 - but it's been 19 years since the end of DH...I wonder what Harry and Ginny (and Ron and Hermione) were doing - professionally, etc before they got married and started having kids.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 7:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
La di da doooooooo

Yeah and did Harry become an Auror?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
You guys are so entertaining.

I love details like you do and I can't get enough of trying to figure out what happened to these characters. I'm just so happy that they weren't all killed or at least that so many of them went on to share happy lives. Very good catch with Teddy. One thing that you will notice if you closely examine the earlier books is that JKR isn't infallible. Despite working out a very complex plot and story arc she does mess up occasionally on small details. Not very often though.

The question of what happened to Harry's grandparents isn't all that small a detail but I guess they also may have died in the Voldemort terror. Maybe JKR felt that would be too much for her younger readers to stand, already having to accept Harry's parents deaths?

Spoiler line comment:

I just wanted to mention that the reason we do a spoiler line with a few words at the start of a message is so key information doesn't appear in the first lines that are shown in a new message search. There is no need to do a spoiler line if the first line of your message doesn't contain key information.

I just wanted to thank everyone for doing such a great job of not spoiling the book for others. It shows what a great group we have here!

Scotchbright
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10-05-2006

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 8:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scotchbright a private message Print Post    
Okay - I just found some pictures of the epilogue...

and indeed James states that '.. he (Teddy) said he'd come to see her (Victorie) off' lol...so that explains why a 19 year old was at the train station. Whew. Okay - that question is definitely answered - now...how many more to go?

Jkm
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07-10-2002

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jkm a private message Print Post    
loved it loved it loved it

Lycanthrope
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09-19-2002

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 10:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lycanthrope a private message Print Post    
Spoiler line...

Harry's parents died when they were 21 years old. Born: 1960; Died: 1981. Lily was actually 2 months older than James. So in the flashbacks, they should look very young. So I guess they got to baby-making quite soon after school was out.

I also wonder about Harry's blood relatives. I guess they'd all have to be dead from something if they only relatives he had left were the Dursley's. He would have been much better off with grandparents...I would have expected them to be in their mid to late 40's or early fifties..

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
I was kind of tired by the time I finished the book. At first I read that Teddy was snogging someone named Victor. I was thinking that's quite a progressive statement for Rowling to make. . .then I re-read the name and it made a bit more sense.

I felt the Teddy Lupin character was interesting. Kind of just thrown in. But I guess he becomes the orphan for this generation, right?

Dolphinschild
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06-22-2006

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dolphinschild a private message Print Post    
I am still wanting to know the answer to a question that was asked earlier and that is:

If Riddle/Voldemort was not pure blood, WHY on earth would the pure bloods be his puppet and follow him like sick pups? Especially the Malfoys etc. That question was asked by someone on here (a tvch thread) and I have wondered that too since. Any clues?

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I need to put this thing away and get some fresh air. LOL

Dolphin, easy answer is that his followers didn't know his background and believed that he was pureblood. (she never really explains why they didn't know seeing how his last name (riddle) was not a wizarding name). Don't know if thats the RIGHT answer but it was easy. LOL I think after he got to a certain level of power and control that his followers didn't dare question even to themselves.

Beth4freedom
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10-24-2003

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 12:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beth4freedom a private message Print Post    
Spoiler line.....hope it's long enough...or do we just need two words as long as it's on one line?

Still struggling with this book, beginning with the shock of Hedwig's death. Everyone else seems to be enjoying it, and I am not. I am trying to get myself to put it away, or maybe even give it away. I had asked a friend who was elated by the book and read it in one night what was her favorite thing she took away from the book: and she said Snape's story and redemption. So I tried to focus on this, and last night jumped in with reading the first chapter. And now I can't get the image of the torture and murder of a Hogwarts teacher out of my head, especially with Snape looking calmly on.
I did move on a bit into chapter two, where Harry is cleaning out his trunk (an okay scene), but this morning am back to being tortured by the torture scene. Why is this affecting me so much differently from everyone else?

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Is anything stressfull happening in your real life Beth? I can't believe I am telling you this but I went to see Evan Almighty with my 10 yr old a couple weeks ago. I have no idea what was going on in my head that day, the movie itself was ok.. not bad, not great. I BAWLED MY EYES OUT for the entire last hour of the movie!! Was so embarrassing but everytime anything *majestic* was shown (the big field full of animals, a wide shot of the ark, etc.) I started crying all over again. I have no clue why but I am sure it had less to do with the movie itself then something else that I can't put my finger on.

Anyway, if it is bothering you that much.. just put it away for awhile. You already seem to know the end so can't be spoiled and the book does go back and forth from dark to darker to darkest for the most part. Perhaps in a couple weeks you will be in a better place or perhaps the audio version might work better.