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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 4:12 pm
I'm with the mugglenet crowd - and of course I love your lists Terolyn!! Part of the reason that fuels the speculation is J K Rowling never wanting to continue the series, nor does she want anyone else to write any kind of sequel - which reminds me of the sequel I've never read - Gone with the Wind - Scarlet... some things do need to be done... and after 7 books - I'll let J K go into retirement, but I sure hope she isnt like Louise May Alcott (aka Little Woman author - she published LW in a magazine format, and readers wrote in telling how much they loved Jo and Laurie, Alcott didnt want the readers dictating her story, and so they did not marry, nor fall in love! and I havent gotten over that storyline!! lol)
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 6:56 pm
Supposedly, 500 pictures of the first 495 pages of the 794 page manuscript of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, was put up on a file-sharing website. There's also a lot of fake fictions and fanfiction out there, but they seem to be taking this one to heart and asking a ton of websites to stop posting it and other supposedly "stolen" copies (a lot of which conflict with each other) so that when the book comes out on Saturday, that's only when people will know which one was the real one. So I thought I'd tell you all to be careful. Most, if not all of these, are fake, but still it would suck to get spoiled before hand. Website here
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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 7:26 pm
so, where is this file sharing website with the 500 pictures of the first 495 pages? it wasn't given in the link. thanks.
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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 7:42 pm
i found it: http://thepiratebay.org/ then do a search for Harry Potter.
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 11:35 pm
Dumbledore said that he thought Voldemort would try and create a Horcrux when he killed Lily, James, & Harry. If not Harry's scar, then what? Being a fan of good and not evil, I hope Harry can survive and live a happy life with Ginny, but I'm very pessimistic in thinking this will happen. If JKR doesn't want FanFic to crop up all over the net, then she'll kill most of the main players...
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Reiki
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 4:44 am
Fan fiction will keep going regardless of what happens in Deathly Hallows. They will write it as "alternative universe" and keep rolling right along.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 5:29 am
JK came up with the idea of writing this book on a train ride and she says knew at that time what the ending would be. So if it was me and I was on a train ride and came up with a story for a book, the last thing on my mind would be "Gee I better kill off the main character so nobody takes my story and writes fanfic. Who could have EVER thought that this book would be so huge? If Harry does bite the dust, I don't think it would be for that. Besides if I was JK I would be worried about some deranged fan coming after me if I did kill them. I am firmly telling myself that at the end of the book, Mrs. Weasly's clock will no longer say MORTAL PERIL and all will be home safe and sound. By the way - I am rereading book 6 this week. I had totally forgot that Snape was the Dark Arts Teacher this term. And that he had to do the "Unbreakable Vow" with Narcissa. Maybe that is why he killed Dumbledore.. he had no choice. I can't wait... but I can... I am scared.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 5:52 am
Horcruxes Tom Riddle's Diary The Ring Dumbledore destroyed. This I found: Dumbledore made educated guesses about the other four possible Horcruxes. Dumbledore did tell Harry that Voldemort "liked to collect trophies" and would have "preferred objects with a powerful magical history." Dumbledore went on to speculate that Voldemort intended to secure objects previously owned by each of the four Hogwarts founders. In an interview, author J.K. Rowling indicated that one could correctly identify some of the Horcruxes by carefully rereading the books.[12] Dumbledore theorised the four remaining and active Horcruxes to be: Salazar Slytherin's locket, which appears on the cover of the UK adult edition of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.Salazar Slytherin's locket was previously owned by Merope Gaunt, having passed to Hepzibah Smith, and then believed stolen by Tom Riddle. It is described as "a heavy golden locket" with "Slytherin's mark ... an ornate, serpentine S." In an attempt to recover a Horcrux, Dumbledore and Harry find a similar locket in a potion-filled basin hidden inside a cave where Riddle once terrified other children from his orphanage. Harry discovered that the locket was not a Horcrux, but instead contained a note to the Dark Lord from someone with the initials "R.A.B.", saying "I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can". The possibilty exists that R.A.B is Sirius' brother, Regulus Black. If that is the case, then the mysterious locket might be the one found in the House of Black, which was refered to as "a heavy locket that none of them could open". Although supposedly thrown out during the cleaning, Kreacher may have rescued it and put in in hiding somewhere in the house. Helga Hufflepuff's cup, also believed to have been stolen from Hepzibah Smith by Tom Riddle. It is described as "a small golden cup with two finely wrought handles," with an engraving of a badger.[14] The current location of Hufflepuff's cup is unknown. The great snake Nagini. Dumbledore believed the final Horcrux was originally to be made upon the murder of Harry Potter, considering his importance as the "Chosen One" as foretold by Sybill Trelawney's prophecy. Since that attempt failed, Dumbledore believed that the murder of Frank Bryce in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire may have been used to produce the last Horcrux, and that Nagini became the vessel, based on her behaviour and the control Voldemort exerts over her.[15] Dumbledore also states that Nagini "underlines the Slytherin connection." An unknown relic of Rowena Ravenclaw. An unknown relic of Godric Gryffindor.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 7:00 am
I agree with Reiki that fans will write whatever they want to write, regardless of what she does with the characters, so killing characters to prevent fan fiction will not work. Fans do what they want. Plus the books are all about magic and that gives a lot of latitude for outlandish sequels regardless of how she writes the final book. I don't know a lot about JKR's personal disposition but that might give us some insight into what she will do with the characters in the last book. From what I have heard, she truly is attached to the characters and absolutely hates writing scenes where a good character dies. Plus she has had this planned out since the first book. I also find it hard to believe that she would kill a lot of the main characters (Harry, Ron, Hermione) based on a purely commercial cynical standpoint. They still have two movies to be made and released and I'm not sure that they would be as successful commercially if she does that. Also, many younger readers will be reading the series in the future. I agree that there would be a lot of backlash if the series ends on too tragic a note. Also, it goes against the main theme of her story. Remember that "he will have power the Dark Lord knows not". I think that it will be something to do with Harry's ability to love that will help him defeat Voldemort.
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 8:50 am
I downloaded the entire book. I'm not going to say anything about it other than the fact this looks VERY real. I'm not even sure if I'm actually going to go and read it, I just want to see it. It's pictures of the already printed book, the US version. Looks very real to me. Either way, even if I read it, I'm still going to buy the book. But I'm pretty sure this is the real thing. Crazy!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 9:18 am
It's interesting that it looks real. They don't have the ending though do they? The way I look at it, it will be out in three days anyway. 
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 10:52 am
Yes, this copy has the ending with it. I'm on page 151 right now and I'm quite sure this is 100% real. It's quite amazing that someone could have gotten their hands on a copy long enough to take over 300 pictures of it.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 11:52 am
I just read that Scholastic is suing deepdiscount.com among other companies for selling the book EARLY!! They are doing it for the free publicity that it will generate! So Neko, I know that the one book that is out there may or may not be the real thing. One blogger reported that she has a copy, and is reading it, and wouldnt reccommend it to the 10 - 17 year old crowd - too much snogging!! I did read a spoiler of the ending, but reportedly that person has a grudge against the series because he feels its anti christian... I'm not convinced JK cares about the "commercial" value... Thanks Jimmer for those reminders!!! and I'll be picking up dd from her first camp experience, so no book for me at midnight as I had planned - I'll have a 6 hour drive before I can get my hands on the book!!
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 11:55 am
quote:So Neko, I know that the one book that is out there may or may not be the real thing. One blogger reported that she has a copy, and is reading it, and wouldnt reccommend it to the 10 - 17 year old crowd - too much snogging!!
Haha, 10-17 year olds are at the perfect age for a lot of snogging!! LOL
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 12:23 pm
From what I understand the version that is on the "Pirate" site has been out since end of April and from what I hear does not read like JK's previous books. Also alot of grammatical errors which is leading some to speculate it is a fanfiction. As for me .... I accidently nipped on a spoiler which I sincerely hope is not true. But I shall wait with the others and read it after midnight. I am kinda excited and sad at the same time, I don't want the series to be over.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 1:41 pm
I agree I dont want the series to be over either - I really have enjoyed the interviews of the "kids" (Harry, Hermione) for OOtP - at one point I thought Hermione hadnt signed a contract for the last two movies, but apparently she is on board... still... I'm a reader, and I do get very sad when a series ends!! (I cant imagine the other book series I'm into - Sue Grafton "A is for Alibi - all the way to Z I think she is on S, T??? still its nothing compared to Harry and the emotions we've seen come from them!) I agree Ter about the Pirate site, I posted about the deepdiscount, because I think we may be seeing new spoilers that are going to be more accurate... (I do discount that one - but of course I've read it!!) I'm not sure if the copy Neko has is or isnt "accurate"... as is the copy of that blogger I found by googling! Most of the Potter fan sites are outraged that anyone would "dare" spoil the book for others... (which of course makes me chuckle as I'm purposefully googling spoilers!! but I do respect everyone's right "not" to be spoiled..)
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 1:50 pm
Neko, It would be pretty funny if you read the whole thing and it wasn't real. Of course, if it is good it might be like getting a free book. You could take your choice on which is better. It's hard to imagine that someone would go to the trouble of faking it but I guess it might be a way for someone who enjoys writing to have a laugh. He or she would have to be pretty obsessed though.
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 2:26 pm
I'm now on page 436. The writing style, and the storyline is far to...perfect...to not be J.K Rowling's. I can understand why people are upset, especially the publishers, because they do all these things to keep the secret, so everyone can find out at the same time, and to have the book be put up online before it's officially out.. It's got to be frustrating.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 2:54 pm
I guess now is as good a time as any to mention this. The toughest part with this book is avoiding being spoiled before we read it ourselves. I'm asking everyone as a Moderator but more importantly as a fan, to please not spoil the books without first creating designated spoiler threads. You can go by Chapters if you like or the whole thing but please make it clear that it is a spoiler thread and do not type any relevent information in the first line to avoid spoiling anyone who uses the New Messages Search. Posts that start with "Harry is dead" will not be received fondly. Thanks. (Note: I in no way expect the above. It was just an example).
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 3:02 pm
LOL Thanks for the reminder, and I wholeheartly agree - esp about Harry ;) I debated on putting some of my thoughts in the spoiler tag - but I honestly feel that the things I've carefully worded and typed were speculation - but it is bordering on spoiler...
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Scotchbright
Member
10-05-2006
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 3:25 pm
Thanks Jimmer for the posting the reminder - I've been fearful of coming back in here, or online anywhere as a matter of fact, to make sure I didn't accidentally read a spoiler. I did just read an article about around 120 books were shipped early and how one person has one of the books up for bid on Ebay - to be FedEx'd tomorrow. I'm anxious to read it - but not that anxious! Especially when I've waited this long and the book will be out in just a few more days!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 3:55 pm
You're welcome! There's nothing wrong with openly speculating as we have been doing. It will just be a little tougher once we are all at different stages of reading the book. At TVCH anyway, I think we can count on everyone being respectful, having fun discussing what they have read and at the same time avoiding spoiling people who haven't read that part of the book yet.
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 3:55 pm
There's also a book store that because of the online copies going around, broke their agreement and started selling them today. I don't know the full story, but I'm sure if you googled it, it'd come up.
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 3:58 pm
Thanks so much, Jimmer! And Scotchbright, will you be my friend? Anyone who has even slight reservations about Snape and is spoiler-phobic is my kind of TVCH-er, lol! I can certainly wait the few more days 'til DH is released because my super anticipation is matched by my super sadness that this is the final book. I'm going to pace my reading so as to make it last. Well, I'll try to, at any rate. I figure there'll be surprising revelations about some characters, Hermione will beam at some point, there should be mentions of dragons and socks, details from the past returning, and oh loads more things I'm wondering/expecting to happen. I'm certainly concerned about the fates of favorite characters but believe that good will triumph over evil. I sincerely hope anyone who has illegally posted any part of book seven online be held responsible. I think it's disrespectful to treat the ideas, imagination, and creative hard work of artists as not valuable or important. It's not as if JKR is secretly hoarding the cure for cancer or anything like that, she just doesn't want her story spoiled before its official release. A fair request from someone who's entertained and touched so many of us around the world, I think. Today I checked a HP message board I joined seven years ago but haven't visited in ages. Apparently last night an individual spammed the list with dozens of purported spoilers from those book page scans. Fortunately moderators caught the posts and deleted them. But it shows that there's jerks out there who deliberately want to ruin things for others and that's not cool, imho.
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Dolphinschild
Member
06-22-2006
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 4:11 pm
Calamity, I am being a little brain dead. This is second time I read DH released. Can you please explain? (Yes I am a blonde hiding out as a brunette sometimes and today is one of them DAYS!)
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