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Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
I'm really looking forward to seeing this. I'm hoping I can go see it on Friday, if not, then sometime next weekend. In watching the previews though, I really wish they had given Voldemort a nose. I know it makes him look all snakelike, but I would have preferred a nose.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm looking forward to this one too. So you would prefer a more handsome evil Voldemort?

In general, I think they have done a good job casting for the movies (particularly Harry, Hermione and Ron).

Pamplemousse
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09-28-2003

Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 2:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamplemousse a private message Print Post    
LOL I may be too sick to work on Wed so I can hit an early show. (nah i won't do that) but if i can find a midnight or 3:00AM showing.....may be drinking a lot of coffee at work. even DH is excited & he does not read the books

then in a couple weeks book 7 is out. life is good, big brother & two harry potter items all in the same month!

Faerygdds
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08-29-2000

Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 9:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Faerygdds a private message Print Post    
I took a half day of PTO on Wednesday in order to have my "date" with my nephew. HP movie opening day shows are our tradition! I have tickets to the IMAX in 3D! :-) I missed out on the 8:15 pm showing, so I opted to go early and take time off of work!

The funny thing is that busy season "starts" Monday and we're not supposed to take time off if we can help it.... but my boss is a HUGE HP book fan and said I should go and have a great time. :-)

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 9:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
I also have the tradition of going to see the HP movies with my niece and nephew. They live about 4 hours away but are coming to visit my Mom on the 20th so we will go then.

Beth4freedom
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10-24-2003

Monday, July 09, 2007 - 2:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beth4freedom a private message Print Post    
The Family Channel on cable here ran a "mini-marathon" of most of the Potter flicks all weekend (some were shown twice). I just relish them...and am amazed at some of the little dashes of humour I missed first or 2nd time through. I was having hysterics over Harry's understated line about the teacher who periodically turns into a werwolf: "Professor Mooney's having a bad night."

Another piece of excellent casting is Alan? Ricke as Snape and Maggie (my mind is failing me, I KNOW her last name, just can't conjour it right now) as the spells teacher.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Monday, July 09, 2007 - 2:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
We've been watching. The fourth one is tomorrow night. While we were watching, I decided Snape really has to be on the good side! Moonie and Sirius (I spelled that wrong I think) were fighting as dog and werewolf and Snape jumped in front of Harry, Ron, and Hermione with his arms stretched out to sheild them. I've seen the movie and read the book several times each and that was the first time it struck me that was a good guy act!

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 09, 2007 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
or perhaps he knew that Harry had to be saved in order to use his blood to bring Voldemort back as shown in book/movie 4.

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 9:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
No, not more handsome. Just with a nose. That's all I ask. lol

Msbullwnkl
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08-16-2005

Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Msbullwnkl a private message Print Post    
I must be in the minority. I didn't like the movie as much as I thought I would. I thought they cut out and changed too much (poetic license).

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Anyone have a recommendation on the age level for this? My daughter 9 really wants to see this. She has seen 1-4, but on DVD only. Not sure if this one will be too dark.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The books get progressively darker and each one is darker than the preceding one. Have you read the books, Terolyn?

I think it pretty much depends on what your daughter is like. There are no hard and fast rules for this.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Yes, I have read them. But I was wondering if this one was not "off the wall" dark since it is only a PG 13.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I agree that they cut out a LOT but then they also cut loads from past movies as well. Maybe it's bothering me more this time because what was cut were some of my favorite moments from the book (no swamp or shrinking baby's head LOL)

I read a review the other day (think it was Ebert) that I just loved. Described Helena Bonham Carter's portrayal of Belletrix as 'the double for all three of MacBeth's witches'. Just loved that line, so perfect.

Terolyn, I just came home from seeing it with my 10 year old. She loved it and didn't have a single moment of fear. I actually think it was less dark then the last movie... maybe I am less sensitive with my daughter being older this time though.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Thanks Rissa! That helps.

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 11:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
We saw it last night. I think if your daughter knows the story she probably should be okay although there are a few spooky moments. I recall only one "graphic" scene and it's all quick cuts and edits so you really don't see much.


***Spoiler space***

I enjoyed the movie but don't think it was as good as the film versions of PoA and GoF. Harry has really matured as an actor. New characters Tonks, Bellatrix, Kingsley, Luna, and Umbridge were all good. But I didn't care for Mrs. Figg.

The effects were quite excellent (they still must have trouble with centaurs though). I thought the most impressive looking scenes were the opening when the storm closes in on Harry and Dudley; Harry and Order flying across the river in London; and the Order arriving at the Ministry in white smoke (nifty contrast to the Deatheaters' black smoke, btw their deathmasks were a nicely sinister costume detail). I loved the DA's Patronuses, the train station in the woods, and the Thestrals (didn't explain them well though). And Crookshanks playing with the extendable ear was hysterical ("Hermione, I hate your cat") . Maybe you have to have cats to get why, lol.

Bit disappointed Fred & George's grand exit was so scaled down. Missed Quidditch too.

Obviously with this being a film and the book being so long, things would be cut and changed but I was still bothered by some of the decisions. What about Regulas? No locket? No two-way mirror? Or did I miss them somehow? The newspaper headlines just didn't build up the sense of dread about all the things that were happening. Neville's backstory suffered too.

Snape certainly came off well in this movie and James came off even worse than he did in the book (that very brief glimpse of him reminded me of Draco's nastiness). You know it's bad when I'm rooting for Snape, for heaven's sake.

As for Sirius, I never realized he had been Avada Kedavra-ed. In the book it says he's hit by a red blast from Bellatrix's wand and then he falls through the arch. I thought it was the falling through the arch that really did him in but now I'm confused.


Trailers:
Bee Movie - Buzz. BuzzBuzzBuzz. Lol.
The Golden Compass - Neither Nicole Kidman nor Daniel Craig are how I pictured their characters but they're both great actors so I'm willing to give them a chance. Can't wait to see this.
The Dark Is Rising - "I know this", I was thinking as I watched this trailer but couldn't place it until the title was revealed. Read the first book in the series as a kid, didn't know a movie had been made. Now I really want to see it (and read the other books).
The Water Horse - looks very cute, love the baby loch ness monster.
Fred Claus - Holiday movie, yea!
Get Smart - Don't know if it'll be any good but Steve Carrell's deadpan expression in the phone booth cracked me up right away.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 12:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Great review Calamity!

** Movie Spoiler Below **

I thought in the books that Sirius shall we say "left where we are and went somewhere else" when he fell through the arch. That the spell didn't kill him.

Also I didn't think that Avada Kedavra spells would make a person fall backwards. Plus in the book didn't he have a look of fear and surprise on his face when he fell through? So he wasn't dead. I thought the person just dropped dead on the spot with an Avada Kedavra. Was he hit with a green blast in the movie?

Schoolmarm
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02-18-2001

Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Schoolmarm a private message Print Post    
LOVED Bellatrix...that actress really nailed it!

Tonks was interesting, but much younger and funkier than I imagined.

I thought that the cuts they did were fine.

LOVED the ears and the flying and the ministry of magic.

Thought that the ending was a little weak. I think that 4 is still my favorite.

I am going to try to see it again. I went to an English theater, and I might try it in German!

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 12:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Thanks!

***Spoiler Space***

Yeah, that's why I was confused. I don't remember the blast in the movie being green. But Bellatrix definitely says "Avada Kedavra". Sirius gets hit, looks shocked, and then falls into the arch, rises up a little in the misty space beyond it, then fades away, iirc.

***End Spoiler Space***

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I haven't seen the movie yet myself though I plan to go see it. I kind of have a love / hate relationship with the movies in general. I generally like the actors that they picked for the roles and I think that the movies are well made.

Having said that, they leave so much out of the movies and so much is lost as a result. They don't have much choice about it though. The latter books are very long and they could almost make them into mini-series.

** Movie Spoiler Below **

I don't like that they are being inconsistent with the book. There was no mention of Sirius getting hit with an Avada Kedavra and Harry and Lupin don't react as if Sirius was hit with an Avada Kedavra. I still think there is a possibility that Sirius will return (in some form) in the final book but if he was hit with an Avada Kedavra that is less likely to say the least.

Karen
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09-07-2004

Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karen a private message Print Post    
LOL, this is fascinating. I've never read the books and made it about twenty minutes into the first movie... that's my knowledge of Harry Potter.

These conversations are funny as heck for a 'muggle'(??) like me. Avada Kedavra? Like, Abra Kadabra? Hee hee... never mind me...

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 5:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
LOL - I love these books. I'm so glad that I read them so I could find out if my girls would enjoy them.

Karen
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09-07-2004

Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 7:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karen a private message Print Post    
Are they worth reading? I feel like I'm missing out on a cultural phenomenon, but I've tried and I just can't do the movies.

Same with Lord of the Rings... I've only read The Hobbitt, but I loved it. But I fell asleep through all three (that I tried to watch, for BF's sake). I've also tried to read the Wheel of Time books, but can't get into that fantasy kind of story. I'm just wondering if I'd enjoy HP in printed form more than I would on the big screen..., or if it's the genre in general that I don't get/enjoy.

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Friday, July 13, 2007 - 6:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kaili a private message Print Post    
The books are for sure better than the movies- I can see the Lord of the Rings parallel but they're really nothing alike. The series (books and movies) gets better as it goes on. I watched the first Harry Potter movie again and I hated it (cheesy, fluffy, kiddie....). I think as new ones come out, I like the old ones less (I think I prefer the kids being older).

Do you drive a lot? Maybe go to the library and pick it up on CD to listen to while you drive. The guy who reads it on the CDs does a good job. Or, in any case, they're quick reads so just try it out.

I didn't start reading them until probably the third book was already out. Then I read them all. I don't comb through and examine them for little clues and stuff like a lot of people do- I don't put that much into them- but I do think they're kind of fun. I'm just saying- the first one really is a little corny (my opinion) looking back, given where the story is at now.

BTW- I had to laugh when I saw in new messages just "Are they worth reading?" posted in a thread that you know is filled with Harry Potter addicts. LOL. A girl I work with told me yesterday that she and her friends went to the first midnight showing and got all dressed up for it. I'll see the movie, but i'm in no rush.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, July 13, 2007 - 6:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
What do you mean are they worth reading?!?!?!?!

Just kidding of course. It's a good question, as they are known as "children's books".

I think they are wonderful fantasy stories that most adults would enjoy. She has created a wonderful diverse world filled with interesting characters and a very complex well thought out story arc over seven books. Of course, you have to be able to temporarily suspend your disbelief and accept a world where magic exists. However, you have to suspend your disbelief with a lot of stories that are larger than life.

One thing that you will notice and have to keep in mind when you read the series is that unlike many series, she ages the characters by one year with each book. So Harry and his friends are eleven years old in the first book and while they are intelligent interesting kids, they have the characters of eleven-year-olds. Not that the first book isn't intense. After all, we hear about Harry's parents' deaths in the very first chapter. As the books progress, the characters mature and the story gets much darker and more intense. By the seventh book, the main characters are seventeen and the books are correspondingly mature. Of course, that doesn't mean that the early books aren't great to read. There are mature characters throughout the series.

As I mentioned before, I started reading them mostly to see if my kids would like them and because it was such a huge cultural phenomenon. I understand your concern with the books if you have tried to watch the movies. I tried watching one of the movies before I read the books and I was completely confused and have to admit that I fell asleep watching it. Because the books are so long and complicated it is impossible to translate them to movies without leaving huge gaps and losing a lot of the character of the books. So while the movies are fun and they have done a reasonably good job with them, the books are on a different scale. Although I have only seen one of the movies (Goblet of Fire) I think it's not that the movies are bad – it's more that the books are just so good.

I'd certainly recommend starting with the first book if you are going to read the series. The first three books are considerable shorter than the last four so you can get through them quickly.