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Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 12:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
Let's look back. Going to start way back so there is no fresh controversies.

1939--Considered the best year ever for great movies.
Winner--Gone with the Wind
Also Nominated--Dark Victory
Goodbye, Mr.Chips
Love Affair
Mr. Smith Goes To Washington
Ninotchka
Of Mice and Men
Stagecoach
The Wizard of Oz
Wuthering Heights

WOW! What a year! I love about half of these. Each has their strengths and their flaws, but are great movies! I think they got it right, but Would not have been surprised if Wuthering Heights had won.
The Wizard of Oz has benefitted by being shown on TV so many years as a special event. As kids, it was drilled into us. I love it, but it's a film that has grown in stature through time.

Landi
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07-29-2002

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
but at the time The Wizard of Oz was not a moneymaker. ALL great movies. I love about half of them also (wouldn't be surprised if we have the same list). in any given year they would have won if they were not up against this kind of tough competition. You can't disagree with Gone with the Wind though. Always in the Top 10 of any top movie list.

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
I agree. I did like how they handled the nominations, though. More than the 5 highest vote getters received nominations.
It would be very hard to argue against GWTW. Whether you've read the book, or not, it is a masterpiece of film-making. As long as it is, it could have been twice as long if they'd have shown all of what the book had. They left out on (or two) of Scarlet's other children. If you watch the documentaries about the making of it, you'd think it would have been a total disaster.

Oh, yes. Other movies eligible that year...Destry Rides Again, The Women, Only Angels Have Wings, Gunga Din, Beau Geste, The Hound Of The Baskervilles.

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
Only Angels Have Wings won first award for special effect s(for the birds flying into the airplane - and Cary Grant used "Whats Up" long before the commericals a few years ago

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 4:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington has a soft spot in my heart. I use his impassioned style of argument upon occasion. It always serves me well, cuz its unexpected. GRIN.

And I like the remake of Love Affair... with Cary Grant. Can't think of the name of it.

Wizard of Oz is iconic at this point, isn't it?

And of course what could possibly have toppled Gone With the Wind? A classic. The only problem I have with it, is that its a monster of a film. It's long, and its involving and by the end of it, I always feel exhausted. I rarely sit through it all.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 4:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Oh, and I find Dark Victory an awesome film too.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 6:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
Mames, you are thinking of An Affair To Remember.

I agree with GWTW winning. It was such a spectacular event of a movie. The scope of it alone was amazing. No matter how it followed the book or not, and I loved the book, I think it deserved to win.

I love the other movies too. I think of the actors that performed in them and they were truly amazing in their roles.

I agree about The Wizard of Oz. It's beloved and I watch it every time, but I don't see it as an Oscar film.

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 9:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
Just as background, whenever I bring up movies with people, I always obsess over 1939 - it WAS the best year ever for movies and so many could have won best picture in another year....

GWTW - I see why it won, I will always love it, it is never too long for me, it is am epic piece and had so many grand features at movie making for the time - plus I was named after India Wilkes :-)

Mr. Smith Goes to Washington - probably the movie I have seen the most out of all 1939 movies, lost count at the 30th time I saw it - it is a model of who I want to be and how I want to be - Jimmy Stewart's speech is just like Henry Ford's speech in Grapes of Wrath, you cant get more powerful than that - plus even with it being 1939, it still as real today as it was back then - I also am amazed at how different Claude Raines is in it versus Casablanca (another movie I have seen over 30 times and it took years for me to realize its the same actor) "Either I'm dead right, or I'm crazy! Care to take a vote on that?" Capra at his best!

Wuthering Heights - Lawrence Oliver as Heathcliff the year before he plays Mr Darcy in Pride and Prejudice - need I say any more - I can not imagine a better film depicting that story than this one.

Wizard of Oz – should have won any other year – it was a breakthrough movie in their production, combining black and white with color, and all the special effects – why it didn’t win for special effects I don’t know … the only movie to have a bigger cinematic effect was GWTW, and since they were the same year, that is that. but everything about it was classic to me and deserved Oscar any other year.

Love Affair - was always surprised at how good it was after falling in love with An Affair to Remember, plus all the references to it in Sleepless in Seattle – may not have deserved best picture but was a wonderful movie that should be watched.

Stagecoach – a masterpiece of western cinema by John Ford – definitely nominee worthy.

Of Mice and Men – another nominee worthy film – Lon Chaney was marvelous as Lennie and Burgess Meredith as George.

Goodbye Mr Chips and Dark Victory also were Oscar worthy films.

Other films that year that I adore are

Dodge City – Errol Flynn – as much as I am in love with him in Robin Hood, there is something about this movie that I just hang onto – and watch multiple times on my VHS. I love the newer Tombstone/Wyatt Earp movies but something about this one makes it a bit better.

Babes in Arms – happy that Mickey Rooney got nominated for best actor. (still think Stewart or Olivier should have won over Robert donat)

Young Mr Lincoln with Henry Fonda and John Ford directing – cant go wrong with that pair! And those two did it again with Drums along the Mohawk

Only Angels Have Wings – Whats’Up Cary Grant – just a pure wonderful movie.

Gunga Din – classic with Cary Grant and Douglas Fairbanks Jr

Hunchback of Notre Dame –best version ever made – and has Maureen o’hara in it

Hound of the Baskerville – best Sherlock movie ever made – Basil should of gotten a nomination if not for the competition.

Destry Rides Again – Jimmy Stewart always delivers

Adventures of Huckleberry Finn with Mickey Rooney

Little Princess with Shirley Temple

They Made Me a Criminal – not as well known but Claude Rains can do no wrong in his movies. Should have gotten best supporting actor for mr smith

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 6:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
Legal, excellent observations. This is what I hope this thread becomes...a place where people who like movies, can come and talk about them. Also, cool that you were named after India Wilkes. Why that character? I knew a lot of Scarletts growing up, and a couple of Melanies (that admitted they were named after THAT Melanie).

On Topic: A lot of 1939's films hold up well through time. Only a few of them, or even just one or two performances, seem dated.

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
agree that almost all hold up in any time period - which ones do you think may be dated?

(my dad saw GWTW when he was 12 and decided then on India)

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
I think the reason some seem dated is because the style of acting was so different from what it is now. Merle Oberon is a very old school style actress. That being said, there was never a better version of that story. Any other year, that movie would have taken home a lot of awards. Most of the other movies are about other times GWTW, Destry, Hunchback )or worlds (Wizard of Oz), so take on a timeless quality.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
I saw GWTW when I was around 16. They had rereleased it to theaters and I went with my Mom. I cannot to this day watch it on the small screen. It's just too big for tv.

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
George Reeves - who later played Superman - was one of the brothers in the opening scenes pf GWTW

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
A long time ago, I read Evelyn Keyes' autobiography. It was a good read. She played Scarlett's sister Suellen in the film.

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
yes 1939 was the very best but lets jump back one year to 1938... Jimmy Stewart in another Frank Capra movie - one of the best - but it did have a few worthy competitors that year - also i wonder if its win hurt Mr Smith goes to washington the following year


Best Picture
Winner: You Can't Take It with You (1938) - Frank Capra

Other Nominees:
Adventures of Robin Hood,
Alexander's Ragtime Band
Boys Town
Citadel, The
Four Daughters
Grande illusion, La
Jezebel
Pygmalion
Test Pilot


Best Actor in a Leading Role

Winner: Boys Town (1938) - Spencer Tracy

Other Nominees:
Algiers (1938) - Charles Boyer (I)
Angels with Dirty Faces (1938) - James Cagney
Citadel, The (1938) - Robert Donat
Pygmalion (1938) - Leslie Howard (I)


Best Actress in a Leading Role

Winner:
Jezebel (1938) - Bette Davis

Other Nominees:
Marie Antoinette (1938) - Norma Shearer
Pygmalion (1938) - Wendy Hiller
Three Comrades (1938) - Margaret Sullavan
White Banners (1938) - Fay Bainter

Best Actor in a Supporting Role
Winner: Kentucky (1938) - Walter Brennan
Other Nominees:
Algiers (1938) - Gene Lockhart
Four Daughters (1938) - John Garfield (I)
If I Were King (1938) - Basil Rathbone
Marie Antoinette (1938) - Robert Morley (I)

Best Actress in a Supporting Role
Winner: Jezebel (1938) - Fay Bainter
Other Nominees:
Great Waltz, The (1938) - Miliza Korjus
Merrily We Live (1938) - Billie Burke
Of Human Hearts (1938) - Beulah Bondi
You Can't Take It with You (1938) - Spring Byington

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Friday, September 29, 2006 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
That was going to be my next year, Legal. Also a good year for movies. Jezebel and the Adventures of Robin Hood are two of my favorite movies from that year. I liked Marie Antoinette, but see it more as a movie done to put Norma Shearer in a movie, rather than a movie that happens to have a star in it.

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Friday, September 29, 2006 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
will always love the staircase scene in Robin Hood

Boys Town is a classic too and glad that Spencer won for that role ... although ....

Leslie Howard would have warranted the win just as much for Pygmalion. He was such a great actor (loved him in 1934's The Scarlet Pimpernel) and if not for all the other 1939 movies, i could have seen him nominated for best supporting actor for Ashley (yup i will always love Ashley) ... he died much too young in 1943

i think "You Cant Take It with you" was the first Stewart/Capra movie and it is funny to see Lionel Barrymore in a loving role in that one versus evil Mr Potter in Its A Wonderful Life... also Eddie Arnold and Jean Arthur were in it which must have worked out good since Jimmy, Eddie and Jean all were in "Mr Smith goes to washington" the following year again with Capra :-)

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Friday, September 29, 2006 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
You Can't Take It With You was such great fun! I love Capra films.

Jezebel would have to be my favorite out of all the nominees. I haven't seen Boys Town in such a long time. These posts are making me crave some good old movies.

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Monday, October 02, 2006 - 2:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
I love Jezebel, too, Mamie. But for you it's more of a role model, isn't it?

Let's jump years. 1954.

The winner (Best Picture)--On The Waterfront
Nominated--The Caine Mutiny
The Country Girl
Seven Brides For Seven Brothers
Three Coins In A Fountain

Films from that year, but not nominated--
A Star Is Born
Carmen Jones
Sabrina
Magnificent Obsession
Rear Window

This is also the year of the controversy of Best Actress. Grace Kelly beat out Judy Garland in A Star Is Born, Dorothy Dandridge in Carmen Jones, Audrey Hepburn in Sabrina, and Jane Wyman in Magnificent Obsession.
(Left out that year, Judy Holiday in It Should Happen To You. Grace Kelly did Rear Window that year. I think that that should have been her nominated film performance for this year.)

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Monday, October 02, 2006 - 3:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
seven brides for seven brothers was terrific - with a very young russ tamblyn who later was Riff in west Side Story - great dance scenes

caine mutiny was a classic as well with bogey and Lee Marvin, even fred macmurray was in it (hard to see him outside disney movies)

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Monday, October 02, 2006 - 3:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
Interestingly, Fred MacMurray usually played darker parts until his Disney stint. I'd have to re-watch Three Coins. I always thought of it as just a precursor for Where The Boys Are. I think that nomination could have been better spent on Rear Window, or A Star Is Born.

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Monday, October 02, 2006 - 3:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
all hitchcock movies deserve nominations :-)

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Monday, October 02, 2006 - 7:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
I remember watching Magnificent Obsession with my Mom, every time it came on.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 1:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
I like all the Hepburn Tracey films... great banter.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
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