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Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 9:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
It would make sense.

I had another thought about who the HBP could be...what if refers to one of the Founders? Salazar Slytherin or maybe Godric himself?

Tashakinz
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11-13-2002

Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tashakinz a private message Print Post    
Nick, interesting thoughts. I don't know if it would make sense if it was Slytherin since he was the one who didn't want "mudbloods" to be admitted to the school. Although, he may have been hiding his own impurity - given that Voldemort (who was himself impure) turned out to be his heir [chamber of secrets].

By the same logic though, if Harry is the heir of Griffindor, then maybe Griffindor was also half-blood.

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 3:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
I've often wondered if the important information or "clue" in Chamber of Secrets was the discussion of Salazar Slytherin. There has been no information about what happened to him AFTER he left Hogwarts. I speculate that this is the information that leads to the present, to the prophecy, and to the conflict between Voldemort and Harry.

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Monday, June 06, 2005 - 3:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Oh I forgot to check messages in here earlier today! Glad this thread is becoming more active.

*This is just me thinking out loud so please don't take it to be referring to any specific posts here!*

I sometimes wish we hadn't been told that a character was going to die - because no matter how I try dismiss it from my mind, I now have this uncomfortably morbid anticipation of "who is it going to be?". This also happened with OotP - it was so distracting, in fact, that when Sirius went through the Veil, I remember reading the words as coldly as though they were the answer key to a quiz. "Oh, so it was Sirius.", was my initial reaction. I really didn't feel anything until Harry found the two-way mirror (and btw I still don't understand why Sirius didn't explain that handy little object to him but OotP had loads of questionable things in it - still liked the book though!).

I also went through this when GoF was released but it didn't affect me as much because I was quite sure the unlucky victim would be a minor character and, anyway, some blabbermouth had spilled the news in an email header before I got to that part of the book. (This little incident was why I stayed offline as much as possible when OotP was released!)

Ack, I don't mean to be complaining. Guess I'm just perversely sensitive to this type of hype. I hate thinking of character deaths as "ratings" gimmicks or lurid thrill hits to jolt the reader/viewer. But I still can't help speculating over the news too (although I couldn't look at the link - I don't want to know!). And to be fair, it's often we fans and the media who raise the death question, not the writers.

Weinermr: That's an excellent point about Salazar - it kind of echoes (well, in reverse) how Tom Riddle left Hogwarts and did...what?...before he came back as Lord Voldemort. I think he met up with the main dark wizard of his time but that's just a guess. I really need to think about that CoS clue - I always thought that was a better book than most did, even though it has Aragog, lol! It did make me question Harry after all.

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Monday, June 06, 2005 - 5:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
That's another possible "clue" in Chamber of Secrets. How and why did Aragog arrive? According to the movie (I can't remember if the book says exactly the same thing), he arrived, "in the pocket of a traveler."

Who is the traveler? Is that a huge clue? I wonder.

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Monday, June 06, 2005 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
Okay, I checked the book. Aragog says,

"I was not born in the castle. I come from a distant land. A traveler gave me to Hagrid when I was an egg. Hagrid was only a boy, but he cared for me, hidden in a cupboard in the castle..."

Is this important? Or is it nothing?

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, June 06, 2005 - 6:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
I never even thought about that mysterious traveler who gave Aragog to Hagrid. That would be something.

I think both of you have raised some interesting points. What happened to Slytherin after he left Hogwarts? What happened to Voldemort after he left Hogwarts? Good questions. Maybe we will find out more. I like the idea of those being fleshed out.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, June 06, 2005 - 6:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Calamity, I cried when Sirius died, but before he did, I was so sure it was going to be a Weasley, especially after Mrs. Weasley's battle with the boggart earlier on in the book.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Monday, June 06, 2005 - 8:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
Half-Blood could refer to anything. It doesn't necessarily have refer to magic.

What if we find out Harry is related to Prince Charles? ::snickering::

Half Blood could refer to parentage or heritage. It doesn't have to mean magic, right?

So, it could be somebody that has had a small role in the previous books, but is going to take off in the next and become an intregal part in Harry's battle with Voldemort.

And what if it's actually what somebody is to become as opposed to something somebody already is.

Make any sense?

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
That does make sense. It would be an interesting twist.

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 2:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
Hmmmmm. Half-blood could mean the offspring of a Gryffindor and a Slytherin. Very interesting! It could explain alot of what happens in the future.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 2:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Aack I saw new msgs and then just had to peep at the whole msg and then the others lol. My 2cents, Halfblood could be referring to the fact that Harry's mom was born to a muggle family?

Tashakinz
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11-13-2002

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 2:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tashakinz a private message Print Post    
wouldn't that be something if the half-blood prince was ... Dudley? lol

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 10:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
Oh I thought of something else. Remember when the sorting hat couldn't decide whether Harry should be in Slytherin or Gryffindor? Another piece of the puzzle?

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Yeah cause he has Voldemorts powers when V tried to kill him, instead his power transferred to Harry or something like that.

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
(First off, have to say I'm very embarrassed by my little tirade about the death talk and apologize for sounding so judgemental. No doubt that post must have seemed like it came from out of nowhere. Please chalk it up to me getting a little overwhelmed with all the bad news in the world.)

Weinermr: Good question about the traveler. Have to admit I try to put most anything Aragog-related out of my mind, lol. But I do think that Harry discovering some of Voldemort's powers had been transferred to him probably was one of the clues in CoS. Along with the info about Tom Riddle (JKR has said Book Six will have more about Riddle's birth) - including Riddle saying there were strange similarities between himself and Harry. A notion from which Harry, to his credit, recoiled. Remember what Dumbledore said, that it's one choices that really matter. And Harry and Riddle made very different choices.

Also related to Riddle - the possibility that Lucius Malfoy knew Voldemort's original identity (since Malfoy was the one who slipped Riddle's diary to Ginny).

And along with Lucius, who else did we meet in CoS? Well, Dobby, of course. Maybe he's the Prince, lol. He sure seems different than the other house elves! And Colin, I wonder if he's a half-blood? We know his dad was a Muggle but I don't recall anything about his mom. Given that his brother is also a wizard, perhaps his mother is/was a witch and the family didn't know that (sort of like how Dean thinks he's Muggle-born but JKR revealed that his dad was actually a wizard). There was also Myrtle, Lockhart, and Fawkes, plus seeing Dumbledore's office for the first time. Hmm...there's lots of other stuff too but it's getting late!

One other thing...it's also is CoS that we get the clue about "only a true Gryffindor". If Harry is related to Godric, presumably it would be on his father's side which may explain why Voldemort went after James & Harry (they being his last heirs) but seemingly only killed Lily because she wouldn't get out off the way. And since Lily's sacrifice was what protected Harry, killing her turned out to be very unlucky for Voldy.

Enough for today!

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Like Calamity just said, Dumbledore told Harry at the end of the CoS that only a true Gryffindor could have pulled the sword out of the hat. I keep coming back to that. Obviously as I keep repeating it. I do think it means Harry is Gryffindor's heir.

I think Lily's story needs to be fleshed out more also. We have a much better picture of his dad than of his mom. I think it is very significant that Lily was able to save Harry. How? "Love," according to Dumbledore, but I think there is more there.

I want half-blood to refer to Snape being half vampire, LOL. I love that little pet theory of mine, can't ya tell? But then what would "prince" signify?

I wonder if Viktor Krum will return in some role. Maybe he is the prince. Hermione is still in touch with him.

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 2:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Hermione: I think there's a good chance Viktor will be back...both because of his friendship with Hermione and because Durmstrang (sp?) teaches the Dark Arts.

I want to know more about Lily's story too. Maybe Aunt Petunia will reveal something. Oh, have you read the theory the Lupin was in love with Lily back when they were in school? Some say it was hinted at in the PoA movie (I only saw the movie once so I can't say for sure). And it seems JKR said she was surprised when watching movie 3 because it contained some foreshadowing of what's to come. Only whatever the foreshadowing may have been, it wasn't anything she had told anyone about. Btw, this is used as evidence that Lupin really is evil so it depresses me, lol.

I hope Snape is half-vamp just to make you happy! :-)

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Well when you think of it werewolves are inherently evil as they have to make a kill before they change back. Lupin is a werewolf yes? Sorry I have a thing for werewolves and vamps. Ignore me lol.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Oh dear heavens, NO! Lupin can't be evil! NOOOOOOooooooo! I would be so upset.

Interesting that POA contains unintentional foreshadowing. I don't know what that could be.

Oh, but did you notice (more on the half-vamp thing) that when Snape subs for Lupin, when he strides into the classroom barking out orders, he shuts the blinds/curtains on each window as he passes them. You know vamps don't like sunlight!! I know he has been in direct sunlight before like at Quidditch, but as Potions master maybe he was able to make something for him to drink at such times.

I hadn't heard the theory that Lupin was in love with Lily, but I have heard the theory that Snape was and that is part of why he hates James so very much. Can you imagine Snape in love with anyone?!

I know you don't like Snape. I don't know why he fascinates me so much!

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 2:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
I've been "Buffyfied" when it comes to werewolves. I tend to think of werewolves as being like Oz, ROFL! Are they really supposed to make a kill before they can change back? I did not know that!

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 2:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Yep.

Found an interesting spoiler site, not sure if it was mentioned before. (I must be losing my mind I never read book spoilers lol.)

link

Oh Lupin himself I don't think is evil, it's the wolf side that is.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
Lily was kind to Snape when they were young so I'm sure he cared for her.

I'm with you on the Buffyfied. I think of vampires as Spike and werewolves are as cute as Seth Green!

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Ohhh, good spoilers! Good reading. I like this one--

"JK has said that giving away the form of Snape's boggart and patronus says too much. We'll definitely find out what Snape's worst fear is, and it'll be important."

A stake! Crosses! Holy water! Come on, JK, don't let me down!

And if that paragraph truly describes the half-blood prince, he must be an adult (streaks of grey in his hair, etc.)

I hope I don't tee anyone off talking about spoilers, but it does say POSSIBLE SPOILERS in the thread title. :-)

Also this one-- "In books 6 and 7 we will find out exactly why JK killed off Sirius." A lot of people don't think Sirius is really dead.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 2:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Yeah thats why I posted the link here cause it does say spoilers as well as speculation. But if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will point that out.