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Tashakinz
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11-13-2002

Friday, July 22, 2005 - 6:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tashakinz a private message Print Post    
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I don't think the liquid was it given the message from "RAB"

Faerygdds
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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 6:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Faerygdds a private message Print Post    
Terolyn... if that were the case, then RAB has/had the Horcruxe, not D.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Friday, July 22, 2005 - 7:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
oh.. I forgot about RAB having a locket....

Hermione69
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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 7:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
la la la

I don't think Dumbledore would ever create a horcrux. It is so inherently evil to do so.

Reader234
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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
new message line to prevent spoilers appearing...

Has anyone put together guesses on RAB?

I agree Hermione, and I agree with Sage on her assesment of Snape and Dumbledore, I'm thinking another vow of some kind...

I still wonder about wizards and the afterlife, why are some ghosts (moaning mrytle etc) and some not (HP parents, Sirius...) I know Dumbledore will make an appearance somehow (that is my reference to LOTR - you're right HP is a childrens book that appeals to adults, but doesnt have the complex layers of LOTR, yet LOTR still has set the tone for so many of other books/movies! and I apologize for comparing Gandalf to Dumbledore, but I cant help it... the connection to Bilbo/Frodo - Gandalf, and HP/D teacher/mentor etc) anyway, its just me, perhaps its how the books drew me into them???

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Friday, July 22, 2005 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Spoiler space just in case


Finished the book last night

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Friday, July 22, 2005 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Spoiler space, just in case again

I was trying so hard not to ramble so I'll limit myself to one point...

They found a locket that no one could open in Grimmauld Place so that may be the Horcrux (brought there by Regulas after he decided to leave the Death Eaters).

Calamity
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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 11:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Spoiler space

Except, of course, it's surprising Molly or Sirius or some one else wouldn't have recognized it if that's what it was.

I hate this new editing thing. And my phone ringing when I'm trying to post. And being such a geek that I had to post that thing about the locket! It's been nagging at me since Wednesday night so I finally had to check OotP after finishing HBP. I've got too many other thoughts & ideas as it is so at least I got rid of that one.

(Message edited by Calamity on July 22, 2005)

(Message edited by Calamity on July 22, 2005)

Reader234
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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 12:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
HI Calamity!! I've been waiting for you over here!!

Thanks for taking on the locket for me!! I knew I was forgetting something!! I got lost in the Harry Potter Lexicon, as well as JK's "official" fan sites FAQ'a always so fascinating!! Thought I could find something on RAB, but I got sucked in the trivia!

One thing posted was the Order summoned each other by using their petronus', I didnt remember that - Dumbledore's petronus is/was the phoenix, oh, so that confused me about Tonks petronus changing - the when and the how, I think I get the why!!

Terolyn
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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Did it say that you would know that an object was a horcrux by looking at it? No one seemed to know that the diary was one until the end. If Molly and Sirus did not know about the locket being a relic and it seems that the idea of a horcrux is not widely known, or at least that is how it appears to me.

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Friday, July 22, 2005 - 1:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Hi Reader. Please excuse my crankiness in those earlier posts. Not a good day today.

Yep, at least as far back as GoF JKR alluded to using a Patronus as a messenger (when Dumbledore sent his after finding Krum had been attacked). But I think it was just described as a bird and not a phoenix, specifically.

Looks like discussion is slowing down here (did I call it or what - I finish the book and everyone's gone!). Maybe we can come up with some good ideas on our own, lol.

Terolyn: Oh I didn't mean that they ought recognize it as a Horcrux - just that they might have noted Slytherin's mark on it if that locket is indeed the same one that was seen in the Pensieve. Even though there was a lot of nasty things in Sirius' family home, something that was SS's would kinda stand out to me.

Then again, it may not be the same locket at all. I had just thought I remembered them finding one so the connection was made in my mind. And then last night I looked at my copy of the OotP and found it - but the only description of the locket is that is was heavy and no one could open it. So don't mind me and hunches, lol.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Friday, July 22, 2005 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Calamity, would something with Slytherin's mark really stand out in Sirius family home? Weren't his father and brother Slytherin?


(Message edited by azriel on July 22, 2005)

Sillycalimomma
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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sillycalimomma a private message Print Post    
Lalalalalalalalalalala........



Okay. Well it is nearly 1am here. I set off to finish the book and I have....and my heart could not be heavier. Luckily I put dd to bed after reading a good chapter and I was in good spirits (when Harry kissed Ginny)
I have steared clear of all spoiling, but I still saw that one coming-but not at the hands of Snape.
As I read the last half of the book though all I could think was how wonderful JK is at putting in so many life messages and meaning into the Harry Potter books. That bit about how Harry realized he had to do this now all on his own and no longer hide behind the shields of those who loved him (kind of like growing up,eh?) And Malfoy...here is a character I have despised from day one and yet in this book I felt pitty for him and wanted to give him a new family. He reminds me of a child I know who really is good at heart, just raised by evil.
I bought a magazine this morning that was entirely dedicated to HP. Gave all these timelines and inside scoops/interviews. I only got through the first few pages, but JK did confirm in the interview with that magazine that she is wishing to play "mom" for a bit, but that it will not be terribly long before her fingers ache to pick up the pen again. She has the ideas in her head for book 7 but only the last chapter written. I really hope she doesn't take two years, but I have a feeling it might.
I will read the entire magazine tomorrow and see what else I can find out!
Right now I need a knleenex


Westtexan
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07-16-2004

Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Westtexan a private message Print Post    
I wonder how JK goes about writing these books. Did she plan, for example, that the diary from book 2 would play a role in the future books as far as being a horcrux (sp), or did she think up the idea of horcruxes and then try to pull in previous books into the storyline? I just can't imagine how she could tie everything together over the years of writing unless she knew from the very beginning how she wanting the story to play out. Make sense what I'm saying?

I wonder if she is not trying to gain sympathy for Draco, but rather trying to make him look more pathetic and less likable by showing him as a coward.

I did not want to hear any spoilers before I read the book, purposefully staying away from leaks, but I caught a Katie Curic (sp) interview with JK the other day and am a little peeved at Katie. She asked JK if about the rumors that Dumbledore was the character who dies. Of course, JK wouldn't say, but there you go, planted that seed in my mind before I was able to even purchase the book. I was hoping that rumor was way off. Katie should have never asked that question!!!!

Sage
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07-20-2000

Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sage a private message Print Post    
Silly, what is the name of the magazine? I am thinking I'd like to read it too!

Sage
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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sage a private message Print Post    
Westie, I have an idea that she knows exactly what goes in each book. I'm sure she has a complete outline of the entire story with all relevant content. I read somewhere some time ago, that she has the outlines locked up somewhere in her home for safe keeping. I'd be interested myself in knowing what her method is in writing this story. I am in awe of her talent for storytelling.

Sillycalimomma
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11-13-2003

Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sillycalimomma a private message Print Post    
Sage-I found it at LONGS at is was called Time Story (in block writing like TIME magazine) MOVIE MAGIC. If you aren't able to find it let me know and I will send you my copy once I finish reading it!

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
LA la LA la la LA la

Azriel: Ack, I think I must not be expressing myself well here :-) . I had re-read OotP a few months ago, this time focusing more on the little details as I already knew the storyline. So that bit about the locket that no one could open leapt out at me. And then I promptly forgot about it. But when I was reading about the locket in HBP, it reminded me of something, I just couldn't think of what at first (but I did post in an earlier thread about how I so wanted to know what was in it). And then when it's revealed that the piece Harry & Dumbledore *sniff* retrieved was a fake, I suddenly recalled that there was mention of another locket in OotP and realized RAB could be Regulas's initials.

So I didn't mean to imply that it isn't the Horcrux. In fact, once I made the connection I was quite positive that it is one of the missing piece.

The only reason - okay, the only two reasons - that I remarked about no one recognizing the locket as something that belonged to Salazar himself was: 1) such as item would have to be very rare and since it was marked I would have thought someone would have noticed it (imagine not commenting on Gryffindor's sword as being, well, Gryffindor's); and 2) I was just pointing out before anyone else could that there may a flaw in my theory, lol.

Btw, I got my Entertainment Weekly in the mail and in their HP feature they make the exact same connection so maybe I'm not too far out there with this idea, lol.

Okay please tell me that made sense this time.

Sillycalimomma: I haven't even had the heart to discuss what happened to Dumbledore as I'm still depressed about it. I have some thoughts but just am not in the mood to post them yet. This year has been difficult for me with deaths among my family and friends plus all the heartbreaking news coming from around the world and I've just become way too sensitive about the subject.

How is your daughter liking the book?

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
La la la

From Calamity "They found a locket that no one could open in Grimmauld Place so that may be the Horcrux (brought there by Regulas after he decided to leave the Death Eaters)."

OH MY HECK, Calamity! Fancy you remembering that! That HAS to be the Horcrux. It fits too well not too be, what with the RAB and all. Good catch!

Sage
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07-20-2000

Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sage a private message Print Post    
Thanks Silly! I'll go look at our local Hasting's and B & N bookstores to see if I can find it. Thanks for your offer to mail it to me! I'll let you know if I'll need you to do that. :-)

Sillycalimomma
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11-13-2003

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Ob La Di...Ob La Da




Calamity~I know exactly what you mean. I don't want to believe that he is "truly" gone and in my mind (whether HP addicts agree and the signs point to it or not) I am convinced that there will be some way for Dumbledore and Sirius to come back to Harry. I just can not stand all of the heartache Harry has had to endure. I know it is a good model for children reading the book on how to Persevere through life's hard times, but it just breaks my heart. Actually, I had a harder time reading The Order of the Phoenix. I cried for eternity over that one. Silly, I know.

DD is actually trying to finish up book four and move onto book five. She is only eight. The fourth is the first one she is reading all on her own so it is taking a bit. Although she is almost done and just picked it up when summer began. I bought her the fifth and sixth one on CD so she can follow along while she reads and maybe it will go a bit faster. She's a great reader, but "made up" words or words that she doesn't here often here in our sheltered cali world, confuse her.

Sage, I just have a few pages to get through in the magazine. There are 40 pages dedicated to HP with a lot of fun facts that I haven't even seen before...some fun stuff on the new movie to. I would be more then happy to send it your way if you can't find it where you are at (or to anyone else for that matter, if Sage does end up finding it)
Just let me know!
hagrid

Calamity
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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 1:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Hermione: Yeah, I can remember about a locket in OotP but can't figure out how to set up a decent financial portfolio for myself. I think my priorities are out of wack, lol.

Sillycalimomma: Thanks :-) . Glad your daughter loves reading.

Reader234
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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 1:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
For other info on HP go to JK official site - esp the FAQ's, (she answers rumors etc) and of course the Lexicon site for Harry Potter, you'll get lost there too!!

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 3:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Silly let me know how it works with the cd and following along in the book. I've been thinking about that for Dakota, who at page 100 in Sorcerer's Stone is starting to show signs of wearing down trying to figure out all the words and running to us for help.

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 4:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
La la la la la la la

Well I'm just bummed that Dumbledore died, or seems to have died, even though I like the various scenarios that bring him back in some form to help Harry defeat Lord You-Know-Who in Book 7.

The compelling issues for me are:
1. Dumbledore's unswerving faith in Snape
2. The puff of smoke phoenix that Harry spotted when Dumbledore's body went up in flames.
3. Snape's description in Book 1 of a draught that could make sleep look like death.
4. The Unbreakable Vow didn't require Snape to kill Dumbledore, but "...to carry out the deed that the Dark Lord has ordered Draco to perform." There is wiggle room there. lol

I just don't want to give up on Snape yet. Or on Dumbledore being a presence in Book 7.

I have many thoughts on this book, the primary one being that it was far too short. It could have been twice as long and I would have enjoyed it.

Sage
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07-20-2000

Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 5:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sage a private message Print Post    
Silly, I wasn't able to find the magazine, so I'll pm you my address. You are such a dear to send it me! Thanks so much.

Sillycalimomma
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11-13-2003

Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sillycalimomma a private message Print Post    
No problem Sage! I'll keep a look out for the PM!