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The TVClubHouse: Movies/Library ARCHIVES: Movies & Library 2006: Half-Blood Prince - Spoilers
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Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 3:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
here you go

Tashakinz
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11-13-2002

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GRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! I'd heard the rumors, but hoped it wasn't true, that it was someone else...If you haven't finished the book don't scroll down or you'll to be totally spoiled...

you've been warned!







I can't believe Snape offed him! I truly believed that he was a secret agent for good and not an evil double-agent mole. Maybe he still is, maybe Dumbledore will resurrect like the phoenix some of us believe him to be, maybe it was worked about between the two of them in advance that Snape would have to kill Dumbledore in order to further the Order's master plan. For the moment though, with only the evidence before my eyes, Snape needs to be drawn, quartered, and have his entrails burned in the public square. After Draco has watched, the same can happen to him. One thing's for certain, if Hogwarts is still operating after this book's events, Draco won't be coming back and sitting for his NEWTs.

I wonder if JK got the idea for Dumbledore's demise when Richard Harris passed away or if it was all part of the plan from the beginning.?

I felt bad that Harry had to pull a Peter Parker/Mary Jane with Ginny. Ron and Hermione are still dancing around their feelings for each other which makes me wonder what secret reason JK has for keeping the two of them at arms length.

Krissn
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07-09-2005

Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 7:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Krissn a private message Print Post    
spoiler space

Me neither. I had a little thought that might be who dies but at Snape's hand! I was so flustered. I always thought deep down he was a good guy and a statement that you couldn't judge your friends by their "covers". Silly me.

Who do you think is RAB in the locket? That is driving me crazy!! The book was amazing.

Lyra
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01-01-2005

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filler...


The only RB I can think of is Regulus Black. What is it and the wizarding world and using only initials - it's gonna be hard to wait until book 7 to find out.

Tashakinz
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11-13-2002

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I think Lyra's on to something. I've been going through initials all morning trying to think of who it could be and this is a better hypothesis than I've come up with.

Faerygdds
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Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Faerygdds a private message Print Post    
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Regulus was who I thought of too. I am in mourning. I knew of course that it was the only way. the prophecy said that one has to kill the other (Harry and V). I also knew that "The only one he ever feared" was the one great barrier to this happening. In order to get to book 7 and the inevitable battle.. you have to get rid of the barrier.

I knew it logically. I have said it since book 2... that if Harry is to ever ill V, then D has to go...

But now that it's here... I am just sad.

I think the RAB will be Regulus. I think he thought he had the right idea and then he found out about the horcruxes and how he wasn't right... so he sabotaged and tried to flee... of course being caught and killed.

That's my guess...

Off to mourn.........

Neko
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08-03-2001

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Well well well, I'm quite proud of myself of reading it all even though I had to work yesterday and today...

SPOILER


I'm not even sure what to say. I knew it was coming. The books being stolen then the large amount of £50 bets gave it away..

I really hope he'll be back, but the fact Sirius didn't make a miraculous reappearance (And he's would be much easier to do seeing there was no body than this) doesn't bode well.

It did say how Harry thought he saw a phoenix fly from the flames at the funeral, but was that a smoke phoenix or a real one?

Needless to say, I REALLY hope JK doesn't keep us waiting for book 7..

ETA - Oh, and I wanted to say, as much as I want to give Malfoy a well deserved kick in the pants. It's quite obvious that J.K doesn't want us to hate him, by showing how he couldn't kill Dumbledore, and how his family was being threatened and how much physical toll he was going through the entire year.

I mean, in the beginning he was cocky!Malfoy, with all his preening and in the end, how guant and tired he seemed, not even being snobby, generally being very un-Malfoy-ish.

howqever, as much as I would like to see Malfoy end up being a key part in the bringing down of Voldermort, he doesn't seem to possess the will to take the chance.

Ladydewtel
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07-18-2002

Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 5:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladydewtel a private message Print Post    
okay here is my two cents.
Harry will still be able to talk to Dumbledore through his portrait in the headmistresses office.
My step-son seems to think that Snape might still be working for the Order, but I felt all along that Snape was only out for Snape. Jk herself said that too many ppl were liking him because of the actor portraying him, but that they shouldn't. No Snape is evil through and through.
It saddens me that Harry will not be going back to Hogwarts next year.
I guess I need to get a life also because here I am a 40 yr old woman crying because of a childrens book. I couldn't help it. I have come to love Harry and his friends.
All in all great book but very very sad

Djgirl
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07-17-2002

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I have successfully been spoiler free, and avoided all talk about the new book and now I can honestly say that I didn't see that coming. I was hoping against hope that it wouldn't be him, but oh, that was awful!

Ladydewtel seems to have hit on the fact that the departed headmistress/headmaster have their portraits in the headmaster's office, and D's is now hanging there. I think that Harry may have seen a pheonix rising from the flames, but was it Dumbledore??? My head hurts from crying so much. I am so ready for book 7!!!

I do like that a lot of answers were given in this book, and some extras as well. We learned a lot about Harry & Voldemort... I'll be re-reading it again over the next week or so.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

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Oh my ... I am so sad. I like DJ have spent the last 35 minutes wiping the tears from my eyes.

I had thought about the scenario of Harry speaking with Dumbledore thru the portrait but if the ending is true, Harry won't be going back to Hogwarts next year.

I will truly miss Dumbledore, I will always see him in my mind as Richard Harris :-)

And perhaps JK is right, my enjoyment of Alan Rickman playing Snape has me still hoping that this was all planned.. that and the fact I cant get my mind around the fact that Dumbledore was mistaken.

OH.. and Tonks and Lupin... I hope that works out.

Ron & Hermione...I hope they finally come together. Maybe she can write books about them later ... :-)

Alisons
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01-10-2003

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I am so annoyed at JK. First she kills D, she does it at the end of the book so that you are left feeling sad, she takes away Hogwarts and now I hear that she is not even going to start book 7 until the end of the year and it is going to be TWO YEARS before it comes out!

What does not make sense to me - if Snape wanted to kill D, he could have done so at any time over the past 6 books.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

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Not really, because if you go back to the beginning and his reasoning to the sisters it was not until the last book that he really knew Voldemort was back and in full power and that is when he made the unbreakable oath with Mrs. Malfoy to kill Dumbledore if Draco is unable to succeed.

But I can't believe we have to wait for 2 years. YUCK Well maybe the movies will catch up with the books.

Sewmommy
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07-06-2004

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As I was making gasping noises and slamming the book shut on numerous occasions last night during the last 150 pages my dh kept saying "Its only a book". WHAT!!!!! Thats like saying its just Big brother. It is a book but so well written that the characters suck you in.
All that said, I was very upset last night after finishing. While it was not a light book, I was really left with a feeling of sadness. Even at the end of book 5 there was a hopefulness at the end.
We believe at this point that Harry wont being going back to Hogwarts next year, but could the Weaslys possibly change his mind to attend for a short time? Possibly to talk to the portrait that is hanging in the headmasters office? Could there be other portraits hanging elsewhere that Harry could talk to?
Even in my eternal optimism I don't see Snape still helping the Order. I don't forsee book 7 ending "happily ever after", especially how this one ended. I do hope that everything ends up resolved. Maybe Harry can have continued access to the pensieve and get some more of Dumbledore's memories to aid in his quest of finding V.
Now I will go back and start at the beginin of the series and work my way through looking for clues that lead to book 6.

Tashakinz
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11-13-2002

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speculation ahead...



If RB is Regulus, then Kreacher may be the key to the lost Horocrux.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

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oooh good one

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

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I'm with you Terolyn in seeing Snape as Alan Rickman, whom I just adore. I still think Snape is working for the good side. There was just something in the way it all went down when he was fighting off Harry. I also think it's not the last we've seen of Dumbledore.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

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What got me was how Dumbledore reacted when Snape showed up. I don't have the book with me so I can't remember what he said exactly, but like he was telling Snape to just get it done, to do it. Not even attempting to show his disappointment or to dialog as he usually does when faced with events. Made it seem planned somehow. I don't know, maybe I am just hoping that this is all planned so that Snape will be accepted on the inside of V camp and find out what and where the other containers of V souls are. I mean how will Harry every find them otherwise? And perhaps the death had to be that harsh so that V would know thru Harry that Dumbledore is really dead and he blames Snape for it. Dumbledore sacrificed himself.

I am babbling..... 2 years to wait? are we sure?

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

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Terolyn, I agree with your babbling! That's what I think!

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

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thanks Mamie :-)

Another thing.. why would Dumbledore petrify Harry? I mean if I was going into a trap I certainly would not petrify someone who could help. He didn't do it when they fought at the ministry so why now?

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

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Like they all said, there was some reason that Dumbledore trusted Snape so very much and I don't think it was just because he came clean telling him about telling Voldemort about the prophecy when he attacked Harry's family. (That was a long run-on sentence!) There's something between them that hopefully we will find out in a couple of years!

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

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2 years....sigh.......

Wargod
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07-16-2001

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Ok, I agree with you guys, Terolyn and Mamie! Only you guys said it better than I did when I typed up a post last night and couldn't keep it under 15 papagraphs, lol.

He was begging Snape, "Please" amost like he'd reminded Harry that he'd promised to follow his orders when they were in the cave and kept pushing him to keep his promise.

Plus I just think it's too obvious for Snape to doublecross Dumbledore and the Order. When he made the Unbreakable Oath, I was thinking, but we expect him to be bad! No one at all beilieves in Snape, they believe in Dumbledore and I at least have expected him to turn through the last few books.

I had figured when I heard about another death that it would be Dumbledore. Only time I really thought it wasn't going to be was when they got back from the cave and the deathmark was over Hogwarts. I really wondered then if it was going to be Hagrid or McGonagall.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

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Wargod, I too worried when they said the deathmark was over Hogwarts that it would be Hagrid. And then his house was on fire and I thought for sure but that was close. I am wondering how many more people she will off in the final battle.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

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New messages filler, blah blah blah

I’m still out of town, am on my parents dial up and get kicked off frequently, but I am going to try to make a post or two….

About halfway through the book, I had a very strong feeling that Snape was going to turn out to be the Half Blood Prince. I had speculated about that in the spoiler thread. BUT, I really thought Snape, and the Half-Blood Prince, would turn out to be good. I wanted him to be good, so the ending was a very bitter pill for me to swallow. I don’t think he is going to come back as good. Not after killing Dumbledore. The only way I can see that happening is if he and Dumbledore had an Unbreakable Vow for Snape to kill Dumbledore if it meant keeping Snape’s cover with Voldemort. But that is just a bit too implausible for me. Someone else from the Order would have to be in on it and it would just get too complicated. Nope, I hate to say it, but I think Snape is rotten to the core.

I’m reeling over there being no Hogwarts next year. How can that be? I’m sure the school will come into play somehow. It has to! Maybe it will be the headquarters for the fight.

I read the spoilers so I knew Dumbledore was going to die. My brother did NOT read the spoilers and he predicted a Dumbledore death because he feels Harry is going to have to fight Voldemort alone in the end and the only way to do that is for Dumbledore to die. That made perfect sense to me, even though I hated to see it happen.

I’m kind of glad they left Hermione and Ron still not officially “hooked up.” Gives me something to look forward to. And I hope Harry can end up with Ginny when this is all over.


Mamie316
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07-08-2003

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Well my dear friend, I have to disagree with you because I do believe that Snape is going to be the biggest help to Harry in the end. He's been helping him all along. Even during their fighting at the end of the book, Snape kept saying Harry, Please. He didn't hurt him. I truly believe that Dumbledore will be back in some form. But he did have to be gone for Harry to battle Voldemort alone in the end. I think they will have to have Hogwarts in the last book somehow because Ron and Hermoine will be there.