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The TVClubHouse: Movies/Library ARCHIVES: Movies & Library 2006: Half-Blood Prince - Spoilers
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Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
I don't know, hopefully not the main 3...but we won't know for 2 WHOLE YEARS.... sigh.....

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Mamie, Ron & Hermoine both said at the end that they were going with Harry not back to Hogwarts, but first they had to go to the burrow for the wedding.

This book has me asking more questions than all the others put together. Well done JK.. well done.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Hi Mamie!! I was trying to reread all 5 books before Book 6 came out and only got 1/3 way through Book 4. So my plan now is to go back and finish Books 4 and 5 and then reread Book 6. Maybe I will come away with a different take on Snape. But for now, I do think he is bad, bad, BAD! And I hate it! I want him to be good, but I just don't see it anymore. I was his advocate for the longest time. I can't come up with a scenario that I would swallow. But of course, this is JK Rowling we are talking about and she is magic. She can make me believe anything!

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
See thats how I'm thinking too Mamie. I really think Harry has to be alone to battle Voldemort, yet Snape will have some hand in helping him. And the fact that I just can't see Dumbledore being wrong, LOL.

Hermi, I was thinking about you when I was reading the book, lol. I thought about your hope that Snape was a vampire when I was reading about their first day in the DADA class. The curtains were drawn, Snape walking around batlike! I hadn't really thought too much about it til then, but I read that and got to wondering a little more about it.

I didn't know know that Snape was the half-blood Prince, but I wasn't too surprised when I found that out. It seemed to fit somehow. Maybe because Snape is so good with potions.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Terolyn, I agree. JK did a superb job. My head is spinning with questions!

I loved Tonks and Lupin! I liked how Mrs. Weasley accepted Fleur at the end.

And I think Neville and Luna are going to hook up also. I just love both of those characters.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
And Harry has his potion book with all his notes!

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
The funeral was beautifully written with the centaurs bowing and shooting the arrows... Hagrids brother hitting him so his chair sunk.. I was crying and then laughed (scared the cat) and then started crying again. And what about the Phoenix that rose out of the smoke? What was that all about?



Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
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Wargod, I'm starting to think if Snape was a vampire, it would have come out by now, but it does seem to fit, doesn't it?

Terolyn, yes, the funeral was beautiful done.

And I forgot about the Phoenix rising from the ashes. That would indicate a resurrection of some sort. Maybe as a ghost?

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Okay, I am getting offline. Will catch you guys later! :-)

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
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I took the Phoenix to mean something or someone would rise from the ashes.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
But if Snape was a vampire he would not be able to be out during the day would he. He is always at the quidditch matches. And of course it talked about how his mom was a witch at Hogwarts and that his dad was a muggle. I would think that it would have come out before now, perhaps in book 3 with Lupin being a werewolf.

Djgirl
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07-17-2002

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Djgirl a private message Print Post    
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I have to agree with Hermione - Snape is bad... I re-read the entire series and finished just a week ago so it's still all fresh in my mind. Unless we learn the absolute truth about the secret that Dumbledore knows about Snape, there's nothing that will change my mind about the double-cross. I am still in shock over the whole thing, and just feel sad.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Here is an interesting thing I found on the web regarding Snape. The interview was with JK and she infers that Snape was not muggle born (?)

http://whysnape.tripod.com/rowlingtranscript.htm

Question from the public: Apart from Harry, Snape is my favourite character because he is so complex and I just love him. Can he see the Thestrals, and if so, why? Also, is he a pure blood wizard?

Rowling: Snape's ancestry is hinted at. He was a Death Eater, so clearly he is no Muggle born, because Muggle borns are not allowed to be Death Eaters, except in rare circumstances. You have some information about his ancestry there.

He can see Thestrals, but in my imagination most of the older people at Hogwarts would be able to see them because, obviously, as you go through life you do lose people and understand what death is. But you must not forget that Snape was a Death Eater. He will have seen things that...

Why do you love him? Why do people love Snape? I do not understand this. Again, it's bad boy syndrome, isn't it? It's very depressing. [Laughter] One of my best friends watched the film and she said, "You know who's really attractive? I said, "Who?" She said, "Lucius Malfoy!"


Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 11:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Terolyn, but don't forget, Snape is also a potions master. If he can brew a potion to help Lupin retain his humanity as a werewolf, he could probably brew a potion to enable him to go out in the sun when necessary.

It's just fun to speculate. I do think it would have come out by now. I really thought it would come out in this book if that were the case, so I am no longer leaning towards him being a vampire, but I did love speculating about it. A lot of it seemed to fit.

I think Lucius Malfoy is HOT! ROFL!

The fact that Rowling is so down on Snape also makes me think he is rotten to the core. I just can't see him turning out to be good.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Nope me either. too bad cause I really like that swooping around, darkness that Alan Rickman does with Snape. BUT... I will still hold out that all is not as it appears with Snape and Dumbledores death.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 12:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Oh oh, you guys keep reminding me of things I keep forgetting!

I love Tonks and Lupin together! Also glad Ron and Hermione haven't hooked up yet. Still feel bad about Harry keep getting caught in the middle though. I was also glad that Harry and Ginny got together for a bit and hope they will again in the end (I'm a romantic at heart, lol.)

I don't really think Snape is a vampire, but thought it was funny that after seeing Hermi post and speculate about it those little statements were in the book. Did give me something to think about for a bit though.

I'm not sure if I find Draco sad or redemable, or what. I was fully prepared to hate him, especially after the incident on the Hogwart's Express, but in the end I find him pathetic and feel pity for him. He doesn't really have anyone to turn to and probably doesn't see anyway out of anything (I'm still not sure he does really want out but it didn't seem like he was too willing standing there with Dumbledore and not striking when he could.) Does he have anymore choice in his destiny than Harry? Harry can walk away and never look back, so could Draco, but neither one of them will, so what choices do they have?

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
That reminded me of the scenes of Draco in the bathroom with Moaning Myrtle. JK did not expound on it but only that he had somehow struck up a connection with Myrtle and had been crying and talking with her in the boys room. Maybe just maybe Draco might be more than we thought.... nope I refuse to believe it... of course Draco could have a change of heart and then turn on Snape and kill him.... Whoa I need to take a nap.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
LOL Terolyn, that was one of the scenes I was thinking about when I typed that. It strikes me as sad and pathetic that the only person he had to go to, was a ghost. His little circle of friends, his mother, even Snape and he had no one to turn to. Now that is on him, he could have turned to someone who would help him but he probably didn't see that as an option.

Tashakinz
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11-13-2002

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tashakinz a private message Print Post    
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I always expect the worst from Draco, so I immediately was trying to figure out ways that Draco could be attempting to manipulate Myrtle to help him in his task.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
me too, but after the fight JK never mentioned it again. Now I can only think of a lonely kid, stuck with this huge family burden, no one to talk to except a ghost in a bathroom....Almost makes me feel sorry for him. Perhaps that is what Dumbledore has always seen.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 1:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
something just occured to me to make me think Dumbledore had this all planned. At the very beginning of the book Dumbledore made it a point to speak with the Dursleys, making sure that Harry would have a place to go once school was out. Odd, he has never done this before.

Lyra
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01-01-2005

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lyra a private message Print Post    
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I think that was because Dumbledore wanted to make sure Harry got the remaining protection owed to him through the blood bond Petunia agreed to. That bond and protection expires when Harry comes of age on his 17th birthday, if I remember correctly.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 1:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
yes, I agree - but he had never done that before, why now. Just speculating but I just can't get past the idea that this was somehow either a) foreknown by Dumbledore or b) planned by himself.



Lycanthrope
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09-19-2002

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 3:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lycanthrope a private message Print Post    
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I keep trying to work out in my head that that wasn't Dumbledore who was killed, but an imposter using Polyjuice Potion. The only evidence I have is that when Harry came to his office with Slughorn's memory, he said something like "I've got Slughorn's memory!". He didn't call him 'Professor' Slughorn, and that's the only time I can remember Dumbledore not correcting him...it's a stretch, I know...

There are all sorts of possibilities for the conclusion...

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Monday, July 18, 2005 - 4:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
I just finished the book






I had a feeling the HBP was Snape, but obviously different reasons than were given. I thought it might have more to do with his heritage than just his father was a Muggle.

I think there is more to Dumbledore's death than meets the eye. Dumbledore himself said he knew what Malfoy was up to...what's to say that Dumbledore had his own plan in place. Even the trip to the cave with Harry seemed a little more staged than needed.

Malfoy called Snape a double-agent. So evidently, Voldemort and Dumbledore were both using him. The murder of Dumbledore would say where is loyalties lie...but I can't get over the fact that Dumbledore had complete trust in him. There is more to it.