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Archive through January 19, 2006

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Tishala
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08-01-2000

Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 6:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
This is a really good movie that, I think, is going to get some Oscar consideration. How many really good roles are there for men this year, anyhow? I can think of a few amazing performances off the top of my head--Joaquin Phoenix, Philip Seymour Hoffman, George Clooney--and lots of biggies haven't even come out yet.

Anyhow, it's a gay cowboy film. Jake Gyllenhaal, Heath Ledger. Directed by Ang Lee, who did The Ice Storm, Sense and Sensibility, Eat Drink Man Woman, and The Wedding Banquet. Oh. And shamefully enough, The Hulk.

I think it's a wonderful, subtle film. Ledger especially is great. If you love CGI and think creatures made by Industrial Light and Magic are a gift to filmmaking, this is prolly the wrong thing for you to see. If you like films that blossom into flowers of ravishing beauty--without green screens--this is one for you.

I saw Syriana this weekend too. George Clooney has really turned into quite a filmmaker this year! It's not as good, IMO, as Good Night and Good Luck, but it is more complex and in many ways more satisfying.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 5:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
Definitely want to see this movie and also want to see Syriana.

Laura11103
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08-13-2002

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Laura11103 a private message Print Post    
I saw this last night and loved it! It was so very moving and sad as hell. I can't stop thinking about it today. I know people may stop in to read reviews but can we spoil? Anyone wanna discuss? My next paragraph will be about specific parts...


In the end I at first thought that Jack had been found out and had been murdered but spoke to my mom and she says they think it was Ennis' flashback, that he actually saw the crime being committed on the gay man when he was a kid, I now agree with my mom. How interesting.

I found Ennis' breakdowns so intense, first when him and Jack first parted and then when they had that intense "argument" about "what happened to August?" that part made me cry... how Jack explained how hard it is... oh man, that movie was amazing and I loved how Jack's mom subtely let Ennis go up and get Jack's ashes...

heartbreaking...

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 12:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
I want to see this too but it's not here yet. Supposedly they'll be adding only a few theaters each week until mid-January when it will finally go in wide release so I don't expect it will be in my area 'til then. It can be frustrating because so many smaller or risky movies aren't in general release outside of certain cities and when we do get them, it's often for a very limited engagement.

Spangs
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10-07-2005

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spangs a private message Print Post    
The most powerful part was the shirt, placed inside the other shirt.

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 6:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
Annie Proulx tells the story behind "Brokeback Mountain"


Annie Proulx figured no magazine would touch her short story "Brokeback Mountain," the tale of two Wyoming cowboys whose romance is so intense, it sometimes leaves them black and blue. But The New Yorker published it in 1997, and it went on to win an O. Henry prize and a National Magazine Award. Now the movie version is a leading Oscar contender, with starring performances from Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal as Ennis Del Mar and Jack Twist.

In a telephone conversation with the Associated Press from her home in Wyoming, Proulx, a 70-year-old Pulitzer Prize–winner, declined to discuss the origins of her two roughneck lovers, citing an upcoming book written with screenwriters Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana. Instead, she spoke about homophobia, her fascination with rural life, and the process of making Twist and Del Mar live and breathe.

LINK to rest of interview

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Friday, December 23, 2005 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
I can only echo what's been said already; a truly wonderful and moving film. A love story that's poignant and heartbreaking, you can't help but feel empathy for Jack and Ennis. I highly recommend this movie; bring tissues! *sniff*

Muse
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08-09-2001

Friday, December 23, 2005 - 9:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Muse a private message Print Post    
Great film. Very character-driven, with some really strong performances. I thought Heath Ledger was especially good. I never realized he was so talented. It was nice to see him a movie that really gave him the opportunity to shine.

I was a bit unclear with the scene showing Jack being attacked as well, Laura. Maybe it's supposed to be left up to interpretation.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Sunday, January 01, 2006 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Beautifully done and heartbreaking!

The explanation of Jack*s "accident" sure didn*t ring true to me!

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Monday, January 02, 2006 - 4:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
After thinking about it for another day and discussing it with a friend (gay male) who saw it yesterday, I am pretty sure that Ennis' "flashback" was actually a visualization of what he "knew" must have happened to Jack at the hands of his FIL and cronies.

I also can't imagine Ennis taking the ashes - he was never one to rock the boat.

Of course, these are just my opinions, and I am looking forward to reading the story to see if I can learn more. My friend read it several months ago -

I found it encouraging that there were a number of straight males in the theatre when I saw it. My friend reported a theater 75% straight and 45% male. If my math is correct, that means 20% straight males. Perhaps we progress -

Spangs
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10-07-2005

Monday, January 02, 2006 - 7:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spangs a private message Print Post    
the ashes were indeed a part of the original story

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I thought the "flashback" version of what happened to Jack was the real one, not just Ennis' guess. The way Jack's wife said what happened in such a rehearsed and detailed way sounded like she'd been told the story she had to repeat. I presumed he'd been found out after dallying with the husband of the talkative wife.

I saw this yesterday, and the treatre was still sold out.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 12:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I saw this recently as well and found it a moving, sad story beautifully shot with amazing performances. You do tend to think about it long afterward, about the love and how they connected.

I sat in a small, but very full theater with an amazing amount of older couples.

Now onto *** spoilers ***
I think the vision that Ennis saw was Jack being killed. I agree with Kitt that the story Jack's wife gave was too rehearsed -- she was hiding what really happened and Ennis knew it. Jack must have hit on the wrong person or been found out. Secondly, the only thing I saw Ennis take from Jack's parents home was the two shirts. Didn't see anything about the ashes. I felt if he had taken the ashes we'd have seen a weepy scene of him on the mountain pouring them out. Since we didn't get that, the ashes remain with the parents. Lastly, one of the more powerful scenes for me was when the two men meet up and can't contain themselves and are kissing while Ennis' wife is upstairs.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 5:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
My dear friend (see above) dropped his copy of the story off for me today. I am anxious to read it for myself - how to do that with tears in my eyes may be a problem!

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Are you talking about the Collection "Close Range", Tntitanfan? That's the book I've requested from the library, but not surprisingly there's a queue on it. Is it in another book do you know?

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 6:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
I have "Close Range." It is also in the 1998 O. Henry Award collection, I believe.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 6:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Yep, here is the full reference:

Prize stories, 1998 : the O. Henry awards / edited and with an introduction by Larry Dark ImprintNew York : Doubleday, c1998Edition1st Anchor Books ed
8 holds on First Copy Returned
LOCATION CALL # STATUS   Main Library, Popular  Fiction Prize 1998    DUE 01-21-06  Green Hills  Fiction Prize 1998    IN TRANSIT +1 HOLD
Call #Fiction Prize 1998Descriptxviii, 446 p. ; 21 cmNote"The best of 1998"--Cover"Anchor books."ContentsPeople like that are the only people here / Lorrie Moore -- The knife thrower / Steven Millhauser -- The children stay / Alice Munro -- Flower children / Maxine Swann -- Two brothers / Brian Evenson -- Winky / George Saunders -- Me and my enemy / Karen Heuler -- Tarantula / Thom Jones -- Gare du nord / Suketu Mehta -- Eating dirt / Carolyn Cooke -- Relief / Peter Ho Davies -- Boot / Reginald McKnight -- Crimson / Josip Novakovich -- Movietone : detour / Peter Weltner -- Cosmopolitan / Akhil Sharma -- Ashes / D.R. MacDonald -- The myth of the bears / Rick Bass -- Satan : hijacker of a planet / Louise Erdrich -- The chimpanzees of Wyoming Territory / Don Zancanella -- Brokeback Mountain / Annie ProulxSubjectShort stories, American Co-authorDark, Larry Add titleO. Henry awards0385489587 (pbk.)

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 10:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
My library doesn't seem to have the copy for that year - oh well, I might like some of Proulx's other stories when I get her book. Thanks for looking that up for me, Tn :-).

Spangs
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10-07-2005

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 5:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spangs a private message Print Post    
Kitt you can go to newyorker.com, and in their archives they have Brokeback Mountain

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 2:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
It won Best Picture on the Critics choice thingy last night.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Monday, January 16, 2006 - 3:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
A well-deserved award! Did anyone see it this weekend? After I read the short story I was even more impressed with the movie -

Sugar
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08-15-2000

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sugar a private message Print Post    
I simply could wait no longer to go to the bathromm even though I knew I was going to miss the end of the movie!!!!!!!!!!!! Dang Large Coca-Cola!!!!
I left when his daughter came over to his trailer and got back when she left so saw the last couple minutes. I don't think he had the ashes, just his shirt and Jacks jacket. Jacks mom knew it was important.

I didn't think the FIL did it, he would have done years ealier. I'd go along with the vision Ennis had of being most likely, a gay bashing, it summed up his greatest fear. I also think the Jacks wife had long been aware of Jack and Ennis being lovers.

Deanofwords
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09-13-2005

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 6:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Deanofwords a private message Print Post    
Everyone I know has loved it !! The only exception is somone who only action movies -guns /fights etc . I was just trying to imagine it all. Too bad they did not live together. Great acting by all . Great scenery in Alberta.It should win some awards as did last night at the Golden Globes.

Marysafan
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08-07-2000

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 9:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marysafan a private message Print Post    
Last night Heath Ledger was on the Tonight Show. Jay remarked that it was amazing how he mastered the dialect and wondered about the tense way he seemed to hold his mouth.

Heath said that Ennis was a man of few words and he knew that he had a lot of inner turmoil, but couldn't express it verbally so he wanted to show it by making it like the words were fighting their way out of his mouth. He also said that he worked with an exceptional dialect coach.

After listening to his normal speech and then seeing the clip after his explanation, I could truly appreciate his remarkable acting ability.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
For what it is worth - in the short story the FIL is already dead when Jack is murdered.

Re the ashes:
"Bumping down the washboard road Ennis passed the country cemetary fenced with sagging sheep wire, a tiny fenced square on the welling prairie, a few graves bright with plastic flowers, and didn't want to know Jack was going in there, to be buried on the grieving plain."

This is the final paragraph about Ennis' visit to Jack's parents' home.