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Hermione69
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07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 5:07 am
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince will be the title. No release date yet. I remember the speculation thread we had for Book 5 and how much fun it was. Even if we end up rehashing the same theories, I would enjoy getting the discussion going again.
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Djgirl
Member
07-17-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 6:45 am
Hey you! The one thing that I do know about the book is that the Prince comment does not refer to Harry or Voldemort. I'm thinking Seamus or Dean.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 6:53 am
HEY DEEJ!!!!!!!! How do you know that? I thought it DID refer to Voldemort. Seems like I have some research to do! Yay! Anything is better than working on these stupid bulletin boards in the library!
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Moviegirl11
Member
08-25-2004
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 6:55 am
Here's what HPANA.com has gathered: -The official title is Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. - The "half-blood prince" is neither Harry Potter nor Voldemort. -The opening chapter of book 6 is actually reborn from discarded versions of early chapters removed from the first book, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. -Half-Blood Prince will be "quite a bit shorter" than Order of the Phoenix. -Mark Evans is nobody important. -Harry and friends will be in their sixth year at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, and most in his class will be 16 years old. Here's my theories Fudge leaves office or is booted out and a new minister of magic is elected (madame bones perhaps) Muggle newspapers start reporting acts of violence that they are unable to explain but that are of course, wizard related Harry doesnt spend much time with the dursleys - he spends his birthday with the weasleys Percy comes crawling back - random side-theory, he is engaged to penelope clearwater Fred and George finally get to play an active or semi-active role in the order by providing new magical methods of stealth (extendable ears and headless hats were just the beginning) Krum comes back - Hermione and he date or toy with the idea of dating - Ron gets incredibly jealous New DADA professor is Snape - he is finally granted the position and someone else comes in to take his place as potions professor. Harry did ok on his OWLs and is able to start on the auror-program (taking advanced classes) Harry tells Ron and Hermione about the prophecy Draco comes back from the summer with a lot more skill with the wand - He got served by harry at the end of OotP and his daddy got outed so he needs to do something to increase his status. He learns more dark-arts stuff. Harry, ron and hermione learn of some kind of legend of a half blood prince that once attended hogwarts and they have to uncover the relationship between the HBP and Harry or Voldemort. Kreacher goes to live with the malfoys Death Eaters escape from azkaban and go into hiding
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 7:47 am
I am so not coherent enough to do these justice. My mind has been shot all week. Who is Mark Evans, anyway? Was he in OotP? I am drawing a blank. Told ya I'm not coherent. Could Voldemort have fathered a child that hasn't shown up yet? Or is that too Star Wars? Neville is full-blood, so it can't be him even though the prophecy hints that he *may* have a bigger role than we ever suspected. Seamus is half-blood. I remember him telling them in SS. It's his mom that is a witch. The Weasleys are pure-blood. Hermione is muggle-born. I don't know much about Dean. Seamus figured more prominently into this last story. He would me a more interesting character to do something with. Just musing....
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Moviegirl11
Member
08-25-2004
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 9:02 am
mark evans was a boy that dudley and his friends beat up in book 5. His name was mentioned once and people (HP fanatics) went nuts with all these ridiculous theories because Evans is Lily Potter's maiden name. Rowling debunked the rumors and stated on the record that mark evans is in no way related to harry... he just has a common name. Dean believes himself to be muggle born. Rowling says on her website though that she had a whole background story for dean's lineage but it didnt fit into the books so she dropped it. Basically the truth about dean is that unbeknownst to him, his birth father was a wizard. Dean was raised by his mother and stepfather (both muggles) because his real dad walked out on them. What dean and possibly his mother didnt know was that his dad was a wizard and being pursued by the deatheaters (either they were trying to recruit him or they were just going after them) so he left dean and his wife because he didnt want any harm to come to them. He was killed by the deatheaters shortly after. Pretty dark story! So dean is actually a halfblood but since rowling said the dean story wasnt going to be in the books, its unlikely that he's the HBP. As for voldy - its been stated that Tom Riddle is the last of the slytherin heirs. I could be wrong on that or perhaps Rowling was tricking us but I dont believe he's hatched any spawn just yet. I wouldnt be surprised if he tries to have a child before book 7. The only thing the prophesy hinted was that at one point, "the one" could have been harry or neville but after Voldemort attacked harry and "marked him as his equal", that knocked neville out of the running. Though I do definitely think Neville will play a bigger role in the later books. He's going to be getting a new wand which could possibly improve his abilities and I think the experience at the MoM might have boosted his confidence a bit. Also, he has a score to settle with bellatrix and her husband.
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Calamity
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10-18-2001
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 9:07 am
In OotP, Mark Evans was a boy that Harry said Dudley had beat up. Since Evans was Lily's maiden name, people speculated that Mark may be related to Harry. But JKR has said it was just a coincidence that she used the name Evans and that there is no connection between the Harry and Mark. It's been ages since I've kept up with HP news however...I did see people debating whether Tom Riddle (pre-Voldemort) could be the Half Blood Prince. Others have suggested Godric Gryffindor. Guess I need to start checking the HP sites again because I'm really out of the loop. Seamus is half blood. I've mentioned numerous times here that I've always had a nagging feeling about him. It will be interesting to see what may happen with his character. In the books, Dean is identified as muggle born. IIRC JKR had planned to include a plot in which he discovers that his father had been a wizard who was killed by the Death Eaters (or maybe it was Voldemort himself). But she ended up focusing on Neville instead. Moviegirl11: I agree with you about Fred & George and Draco. I've posted about that before and probably shouldn't again, lol.
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Tashakinz
Member
11-13-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 10:55 am
What are the odds that Jo will out Snape as a vampire this time out?
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 11:09 am
That man has GOT to be part vampire. LOL!
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Moviegirl11
Member
08-25-2004
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 11:21 am
I dont think snape is a vampire. I think he's just super-goth. The best theory I ever heard about snape ties into the whole "dumbledore trusts snape" concept that has been brought up in every book thus far. Basically the theory is that the reason dumbledore trusts snape is because Snape has a son. He turned spy against voldemort as part of a deal he made with dumbledore to keep his son safe. The reason this person came up with this interesting theory is based on the description of a Slytherin boy who was present during the care of magical creatures lesson with the thestrals in book 5. I forget the exact description but the boy was quiet and sort of standing off on his own. physically his description was similar to Snapes... and he could see the thestrals. I am REALLY intersted to know the truth behind why dumbledore trusts snape. In Rowlings interview that she did recently in Scotland she said we should be asking her is why didnt Voldemort die when he attacked harry as a baby and why Dumbledore didnt try to kill Voldemort? My theory on this (and I've had this one for a while now) is that while we know voldy had taken special measures using dark magic to defeat death (which is why he didnt die), there's a loophole somewhere. There's something Voldemort either didnt account for or couldnt prevent when taking these measures and ONLY harry will be capable of truly destroying Voldemort. Remember in book 4 the whole "Gleam of triumph" harry thought he saw in dumbledores eyes for a brief second just after harry told him how voldemort was about to get around the protective charm his mother put on him? I think Dumbledore was please about that because, while that charm protected Harry, it would eventually PREVENT harry from being able to destroy voldemort. The charm would make harry untouchable by voldemort but it would also mean that if voldy DID attack him, he wouldnt die, he'd just be ejected from his body again. So basically by voldy getting around that charm, he would be able to touch harry without harm to himself but in the end I think the lack of the charm will make it possible for harry to mortally wound voldemort. That was really run-on, I know and I hope it makes sense. To summarize, I think that ONLY harry is capable of killing voldemort and dumbledore knows that. Something to do with harry's heart I think. His heart saved him at the end of book 5... if harry learns to channel those mental magical abilities a bit more and use his heart I bet the combination will be voldemorts undoing.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 11:42 am
i am in a faculty meeting right now and can't post much. you are way more on top of rumors and theories than i am. i see i have a lot of catching up to do! i totally remember the "gleam" because i picked up on it immediately and ran it by everyone i knew who had read the book and it had gone right over all their heads. (you can tell i was very proud of being the one to spot it, lol!) my theory to that was that maybe by mixing harry's blood with his own, voldemort could never achieve the immortality he was always pursuing. i've also wondered about harry's mom.... in the wand shop, ollivander commented that harry's dad's wand was good for transfigurations, and lo and behold, in POA, we find out james is an animagus. harry's mom's wand was supposedly good for charms. nothing has ever came out of that. i wonder if she put some kind of spell on harry right before she died that saved him. jk has never really adequately explained, to me, how harry managed to live.
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Tashakinz
Member
11-13-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 3:33 pm
Moviegirl: The speculation that Snape is a vamp is based on comments made in Sorcerer's Stone (Quirrel bought a book on vampires)and Prisoner of Azkaban (Moony assigned an essay on vampires after Snape assigned an essay on werewolves [essentially outing him]). There have also been descriptors about Snape swooping in. Hermie: If Harry wasn't "the boy who lived" who would the books be about? lol I thought that Dumbledore gave the explanation that Lily Potter cast a charm over Harry which protected him.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 4:28 pm
He said it was , "Love" that saved Harry. Right? Maybe it is time to reread these books!!!! Snape HAS to be a vampire. I insist! I have a crush on Snape.
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Moviegirl11
Member
08-25-2004
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 4:54 pm
hermione, the big "charm" that lily performed was the one that saved harry's life. I dont remember the name of it (or whether or not it was actually mentioned by name) but it was a very powerful charm and considered "old magic". That's the only charm-related info we have on Lily but its a pretty good one I think! I never thought of those 2 vampire connections Tash. It would make sense that Snape being the potions master, he could have a similar potion to wolfsbane (the potion that keeps lupin at bay during "that time of the month") that satisfies his cravings for blood. But if JK went by the general rules of vampires (from the old stories and what not) then Snape wouldnt age properly. Since we know he was a regular grown teenager (from the pensieve in book 5) when James and he were at school together and I can only assume that he looks about the same age as Sirius and Lupin then that wouldnt match up. Then again, maybe rowling doesnt use that non-aging rule with her version of a vampire. 
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 5:02 pm
maybe he didn't get bitten until later in life. i was thinking about the potions thing, too, he could brew up something that could protect him from the sun. someone wrote this huge list of "evidence" that snape is a vampire and it was pretty cool, even if it comes to nothing. also in GoF ron supposedly commented at one point about how quickly snape caught up with them. ron said he didn't see how snape could have beaten them unless he flew and the suggestion was like a bat. and his name- snape... rowling often uses names of significance and snape is similiar to nape. of course it is also similar to snake. i just love vampires. i would love for him to be one! i have to go find that evidence this person wrote out.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 5:04 pm
that's a good catch about his not aging, though. as many times as i have watched buffy and angel, you'd think i would have caught that! lol!
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 5:10 pm
Vampire Speculation Good stuff!
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 5:18 pm
From Book 4, page 491-- "If Snape hadn't held me up," Harry said bitterly, "we might've got there in time. 'The Headmaster is busy, Potter ... what's this rubbish, Potter?' Why couldn't he have just got out of the way?" "Maybe he didn't want you to get there!" Ron said quickly. "Maybe -- hang on -- how fast d'you reckon he could've got down to the Forest? D'you reckon he could've beaten you and Dumbledore there?" "Not unless he can turn himself into a bat or something," said Harry. "Wouldn't put it past him," Ron muttered. Okay, I gotta go, I have company. I will talk to you guys later! Good night!!!!
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Weinermr
Member
08-18-2001
| Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 7:50 pm
In the last six months, I've become a Harry Potter fanatic. Eagerly awaiting Book Six with the rest of you. I'm not good at speculation, but I'm fascinated about who the half-blood prince might be.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 6:02 am
From one of my favorite Harry Potter sites, more info, but mostly exactly as has been posted... Lexicon and here's a background on Lily > Lily
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 6:07 am
More on old magic.. The old magic, also referred to as ancient magic, is magic which is not cast by wizards with wands. It is part of the "magical-ness" of the universe. There are a number of examples: Dumbledore's protections around Harry, connected somehow to his only living relatives, the Dursleys. Lily's sacrifice of herself for Harry created a protection Voldemort could not break through. In fact, the sacrifice infused his skin with that love and Voldemort and Quirrell when under Voldemort's control couldn't even touch him. When one wizard saves another wizard's life, it creates a certain bond between them, a "life debt." James Potter saved Snape's life many years ago, but the effects of it still influence Snape's life. Harry spared the life of Peter Pettigrew, with consequences we have yet to see played out. Certainly Pettigrew's hesitant suggestions to Voldemort that they find an alternate victim for his rebirth spell came from Pettigrew's sense of life debt to Harry. "Pettigrew owes his life to you. You have sent Voldemort a deputy who is in your debt...When one wizard saves another wizard's life, it creates a certain bond between them... and I'm much mistaken if Voldemort wants his servant in the debt of Harry Potter." "I don't want a connection with Pettigrew!" said Harry. "He betrayed my parents!" "This is magic at its deepest, its most impenetrable, Harry. But trust me... the time may come when you will be very glad you saved Pettigrew's life." (PA and more interesting reading.... A comparison is inevitable between the Old Magic of the Harry Potter universe and the Magic From Before the Dawn of Time from C. S. Lewis's Narnia books. Clearly there are similarities between the two, although they are not identical. Both the Harry Potter and the Narnia versions serve as a stronger, more intrinsic form of magic than the common everyday variety which is cast as spells from books or by wands. This ancient kind of magic is, in a sense, built into the very fabric of reality. It manifests itself from the true, heart-felt actions of people and cannot be manipulated to ends other than those to which it is intended. Lily sacrifices herself for her son and the result is a protection stronger than the curse of death itself. This is almost a Christ image, but almost certainly Rowling did not intend it specifically as such, since she is not writing an allegory. Lewis is writing an allegory, however, which means that his brand of Old Magic certainly does stand for something else in his Christian world view. He tells of a reality where there is a clear Other Place and Time, representing the realm of God, and it is from this source that his most powerful magic comes. Aslan sacrifices himself as payment for Edmund's treachery and as a result Aslan is reborn stronger than ever. This is clearly a Christ image and the magic which makes it possible just as certainly is God's power. With Lewis, this connection is intentional. In Rowling's fictional reality, there is no Other Place and Time. Magic is not a mystical, channeled power from some occult or supernatural source. It's completely, utterly mundane in the truest sense of that word. It is just as simple and common and even boring as the wheel and the inclined plane and electric circuits are to us. Even the Old Magic, while impressive and powerful, is no more than simply magical technology at its strongest and most advanced. And this difference between Narnia and the world of Harry Potter is critical to any comparison between the two series.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 6:18 am
Here's the page on Snape... Snape but I'm not sure what WBD is? Snape appears to have resumed his potentially deadly work as a spy among the Death Eaters; exactly how he managed this is unknown, given that Dumbledore defended him publicly during Karkaroff's trial in the 1980s by revealing that Snape had been a spy. Once Voldemort was persuaded to give Snape a hearing, however, Snape's skills as an Occlumens would have protected him from exposure via Voldemort's use of Legilimency. Contrary to the assumptions of some, Snape is not a vampire, although he does in some way resemble those creatures. (WBD) and I'll add this (this site's author does have contact with JK at times, and I get totally obsorbed in this site btw!!) However, he is an expert potions brewer and he holds a position of some authority and respect under Dumbledore. Just what event in Snape's past has earned him this level of respect is unknown, but it is clear that the Headmaster has given Snape a second chance, as he has done with so many others. Snape has told Dumbledore his story, whatever that story is, and the Headmaster believes him. (WBD)
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 6:58 pm
Ok...this is my first post in this folder and I'm on an entirely different page than any of you. Hagrid is the Half-Blood prince. He is half-human, half-giant. I have a feeling Hagrid will be made out to be the Half-Blood Prince of the Giants and will bring them over to Dumbledore's side. My wife and I talked about it...and it has some possibilites. Then again...I could be way off track here.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Monday, August 30, 2004 - 3:24 am
I think that is brilliant! Did his mother have royal giant blood? I can't remember.
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Tashakinz
Member
11-13-2002
| Monday, August 30, 2004 - 6:29 am
I like the idea of Hagrid as the prince. = )
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