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Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think Chris Rock owes anyone anything. He's a comedian and that's what he does best and he succeeded. But I've never been a Jude Law fan or Nicole Kidman fan and I think she's way over rated.

Hippyt
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06-15-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well,I loved it that Morgan and Jamie and Clint won. I thought Chris did a great job with what he had to work with.
Other than that,the show STUNK! Beyonce sings every twenty minutes, Hoffman goes on and on and on,getting awards in the aisles,yellow women everywhere. Gack!!!!! Sean Penn lighten up man. Antonio,please wash your head.
I don't know who directed this,but they should get the ax!

Ddr
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08-19-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yellow women everywhere, LOL! Hated the awards being given out in the aisles too.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh yeah yellow yellow everywhere. Has no one heard of tan in a can?

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
ditto what marysafan and rslover said.



Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just hope that Jamie's speech about getting whooped does does encourage angry parents to whip or beat their kids.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
There's a big difference between discipline and abuse.

Ddr
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08-19-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think parents who justify beating their kids on Jamie's acceptance speech alone, would probably beat their kids anyway.

Big difference in my eyes between beating your child and disciplining your child.

I've heard Jamie speak about his grandmother previously and didn't think twice about what he said regarding the whipping and beating. To me, Jamie has always showed his love and appreciation of the woman who cared for him since he was 7 months old and acknowledgement that had she not had such a powerful influence on his life, he may not be where he was today.

Just my opinion.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ditto that D.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
the View ladies weighed in on Jamie's speech. Joy feels that child abusers have now been given the green light since Jamie talked about being spanked.

Ddr, I saw him on the Actor's studio talk about her, and it's only with love and respect.

Mssilhouette
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07-11-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You know since when does spanking your child automatically equal child abuse. Sheesh it Foxx was talking about his experience with his grandmother who he loved dearly and how she kept in line, which didn't sound like abuse to me.

A child abuser does not need a "green light" from an Oscar winner to continue abusing a child. C'mon now that's just silly. That's like saying if he never said anything in his speech then a child wouldn't be abused.

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Now back to the oscars....


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Essence
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01-12-2002

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It doesn't sound like abuse to me either.

Give a green light? <> It's not like he said beat your kid and they'll grow up to win an oscar. <>


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Ddr
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08-19-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh, forgot to say, I hated Hilary Swank's dress. Loved Kate Winslet's.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Chris Rock is amazing. I love him something fierce. I have his stuff practically memorized, and when he says that "occasionally girls want to #$%# him, but it's to get their Visa bill paid", I can honestly say I have no Visa bills, and still like him.

*wiping drool off her Oscar tape*

Cheadle was robbed.

Marysafan
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08-07-2000

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm not a huge Joy fan either, but I think Jamie got caught up in the moment and went a bit over the top last night.

He didn't say that he was spanked. He said that he was beaten, and those beatings were academy award caliber.

In the news items that I have read about last night...I haven't seen those remarks repeated anywhere. Mercifully, they were left out of most news accounts.

The Reviews about Chris Rock's performance are very mixed.

The point that I wanted to make about Chris Rock's comment regarding Jude Law...had nothing to do with Jude Law personally. Whether you are a fan of Jude Law or not, I thought it was wrong for Chris to make those comments about an actor of that caliber. Just my personal opinion, and I will admit I am not a fan of "dis" humor. It is often not funny...just mean spirited.

If he would have said..."If you want Tom Cruise...WAIT! Don't call Adam Sandler." That would be funny....because no one is going to call Adam Sandler to do a Tom Cruise type role. NO harm...no foul...but you would call Jude Law to do that type of role.

The same could be said for Will Smith. If Chris would've said..."If you want Tom Cruise...WAIT! Don't call Will Smith." That's not funny...because Will Smith would certainly be considered for that kind of role. And if he would have said that...I would be saying that Will Smith is owed an apology ....because those kinds of remarks are not only hurtful, but also harmful to his career. And that's nothing to be taken lightly.

At least, it's something that I wouldn't take lightly in those same circumstances.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
No Jamie said he got a whipping which is the same thing as spanked which is not the same as being beaten or child abuse. These things are totally different.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
He did use the word "beat" he followed that up with "whipping."

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yeah, but Chris did have a point. In the last five years, Jude Law has been in 11 films. It does kind of make you wonder if Jude is the guy to call when no other big box office actor is available.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Either way it's still very different from child abuse.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You say potayto, I say potahto...
You say beating, I say spanking....
Tomayto, Tomahto, whipping, child abuse...
Let's call the whole thing off!!

I think the actual words Foxx used were just colloquialisms. Some people call a regular spanking a "beating" or a "whooping". But I have to agree that he meant it as a spanking, or form of mild punishment for children. I just don't think that if he truly were abused, he would speak about it so capriciously in his acceptance speech as the Academy Awards. Nobody thanks someone for truly ABUSING them.

I just think it would be a pretty large stretch for someone to think Foxx really advocated child abuse.

JMHO!!

Mssilhouette
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07-11-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Okay Jamie Foxx's acceptance speech is posted on Oscars.com. The words "beat" and "whipping" are in a way slang to most African Americans (including myself) meaning punishment/spankings. So in a way can understand how people can jump to conclusions to the use of words.

When you say Dad/Mom "beat" you or you got a "whooping/whipping". That means spanking...just sounds harsher.

For the record: Here's Jamie Foxx's Acceptance Speech of of Oscars.com
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ACCEPTANCE SPEECH
I guess we got to do it again. "Oh, Ah!" Yeah, you're ready. That's for Ray Charles. Give it up for Ray Charles and his beautiful legacy. And thank you, Ray Charles, for living.

I got so many people to thank tonight. First I want to start it out with Taylor Hackford. Taylor, you took a chance, man. I mean that love for Ray Charles was deep, down in the earth. It's cracked open. And it's spilling. And everybody's drowning in this love. I thank you for taking a chance on this film. And thank you for waiting 15 years to get me to do it. I want to thank you.

I want to thank Crusader. I want to thank my agents. I want to thank Rick Kurtzman. I want to thank Kim Hodges. I want to thank Steve Smooke. I want to thank my managers, Jaime King and Marcus King. Let's live this African American dream. It's beautiful. I'm glad I'm with you. I ain't never leaving you. I'm glad I'm with you.

I got a chance to meet a whole lot of people, experiencing this. And other people I want to thank, I want to thank my sister. Four feet, eleven inches of nothing but pure love. I want to thank my daughter for telling me just before I got up here, "If you don't win dad, you're still good."

I'm just ... I see Oprah and I see Halle. I just want to say your names. I want to talk to you later. Both of you. Because Oprah got -- allowed me to meet somebody by the name of Sidney Poitier. And, yes, Sidney Poitier said, "I saw you once. And I looked in your eyes and there was a connection." And he says, "I give to you responsibility." So, I'm taking that responsibility tonight. And, thank you, Sidney.

This is probably going to be the toughest part of this speech. My daughter shares my grandmother's name, "Marie." My grandmother's name is Estelle Marie Talley. She's not here tonight. And this is going to be the toughest part. But she was my first acting teacher. She told me to stand up straight. Put your shoulders back. Act like you got some sense.

We would go places. And I would wild out. And she would say, "Act like you've been somewhere." And then when I would act the fool, she would beat me. She would whup me. And she could get an Oscar for the way she whupped me because she was great at it. And after she whipped me, she would talk to me and tell me why she whipped me. She said I want you to be a southern gentleman. She still talks to me now. Only now, she talks to me, in my dreams. And I can't wait to go to sleep tonight because we got a lot to talk about. I love you.

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Note that he said "She could get an Oscar for the way she "whupped" me. And that she would talk to him afterwards to explain why. Which says that he was getting a punishment.

I hope the press can get back to celebrating his win instaed of picking at his emotional filled acceptance speech.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Anyone from the "olde south" knows what a whoopin is. Its a spankin. nothing more nothing less.

I personally don't think anyone who was abused as a child would think back upon that time fondly and with so much appreciation and love as Jamie did for his Grandma. I had the opportunity to see Jamie interviewed on Bravos Inside the Actor's Studio a few months ago, right after his Grandma died. His love and devotion to her was amazing - I was blubbering by the time he finished. He is an amazing man and after seeing Ray - he deserved that Oscar.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Exactly.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My parents used to send me to Saudi Arabian prisons for beatings so that's what I thought Foxx was talking about.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
How about "I'm gonna tear that butt up."

I'll admit it. I spanked my child. It didn't work so I stopped.

There are some schools in Texas and my co-worker says also in Mississippi that have brought back corporal punishment.

And nobody's answered my question about Beyonce's jewelry either.