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Maris
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03-28-2002
| Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 10:49 am
True but erroneously stating that a movie has an NC-17 rating can impact sales. There is a big difference between an R rating and an NC-17 rating. NC-17 is the equivalent of the old X rating. I just find it odd that the rating is incorrectly stated on this particular movie;.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 11:30 am
I agree Maris and I sent them an email in their feedback section.
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 11:33 am
We're going to see it tomorrow. I just looked up the listings in Vancouver, and it's playing in a BUNCH of theaters here -- including some multiplexes and not just the "artsy" theaters where docus usually screen. In fact, my local (mainstream) theater is playing it on two screens, even during matinee time. Sort of surprises me, but then again not really given the political makeup of western Canada...
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 11:33 am
Sounds like the reports are saying it's doing quite well at the box office.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 11:36 am
Ebert's review is up: http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/cst-ftr-moore24f.html I may have to leave work early and go. It is playing right by my house. I'm really glad to see it's playing all over town.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 11:40 am
Well Brenda, I dont know what you said but you must have scared them plenty. They now changed the rating to "G" lol.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 1:01 pm
LOL Maris -- they don't want to suffer the wrath of Brenda! I see they have it correct as R now.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, June 25, 2004 - 11:28 am
I only heard this morning that the movie we in the US get to see has been slightly re-edited from the original version which was out in Europe. (I don't know what version Canada sees.) It'd be interesting to know what was cut. Or perhaps (but unlikely) newer things were added. CNN reports this morning that F9/11 will be on 840 screens. The R rating was only decided this week, so maybe that's why it was reported incorrectly. Or maybe not .
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Ocean_islands
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, June 25, 2004 - 12:48 pm
One element included in the movie was subsequently proven not 100% correct and so Moore removed it. It had something to do with Ashcroft refusing to fly in commercial airplanes.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, June 25, 2004 - 1:48 pm
If it's only playing on 840 screens, I guess the best it can hope to do, based on a per screen average that matches top grossing films, which typically open on about 3000 screens, is about $10 million dollars. I think that would still be a break even for the production and ad costs in just its opening weekend.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Friday, June 25, 2004 - 3:30 pm
all the shows out by me are sold out for tonights shows. Will try tomorrow.
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Lkunkel
Member
10-29-2003
| Friday, June 25, 2004 - 4:09 pm
It's playing here in 8 different theaters, but it sounds like I'd better get our tickets early for the Sunday show DH and I are attending.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, June 25, 2004 - 6:05 pm
That's good then, re the cutting. I thought it was likely to be more sinister editing by the powers that be. It's playing here in three theatres, the one near me is pretty much booked out for tonight. I bought some tickets for an afternoon show tomorrow and was told that showing had already sold well too. The local news showed interviews with people leaving the movie, most said they were extremely angry, one even said he was shaking with rage.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Friday, June 25, 2004 - 9:31 pm
We went to a theater to try to see it today. 2:10 matinee. We were there a half hour early, and it wasn't sold out, but there was a line of people waiting to get in, and we still had to go grab some lunch, so we would have been the last two people to enter the theater and got the two worst seats, not together. We decided to let the hoopla die down a bit and go later. We saw White Chicks instead. Very cute if you can suspend disbelief about the resemblance of the Wayans brothers to two white chicks.
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Fabnsab
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, June 25, 2004 - 11:55 pm
I went tonight. The 7:55 show was sold out so we got tickets for the 10:40 which ended up selling out too. The news crews were all there. There were protests from both sides. They lined us up at 10:00 and it went around the building practically. What can I say? I laughed, I cried... I got so infuriated at some things that I felt my face get red and tapped my foot. There were spurts of applause throughout the movie and a big round at the end. Michael Moore just knows what he's doing. It was so good. He really cares about his subject and those who trust him to tell their story. I really admire him. As I said in my post in Bowling For Columbine many moons ago- if you're a liberal, you'll LOVE it but a conservative may not. I can't imagine someone not having their eyes opened after this but ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 8:19 pm
I thought it was an excellent movie.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 8:37 pm
I was actually a bit disappointed. I was so excited about it coming out and I hoped it would go into more depth than it actually did. Not much of it was new to me, but then of course he was preaching to the choir and little Bush could do would surprise me. But of course it was an exceptionally good movie, and very touching, heartbreaking even, in places. Unfortunately the people who need to see this won't, or if they do will assume it's all lies.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 9:33 pm
I just saw the movie tonight. It wasn't at all what I'd been led to expect from watching the news media. They seem to concentrate on a few perceived inaccuracies and other stuff that happened in the first 15 minutes of the film. I get the feeling they only watched 15 minutes and then ran out to file their reports. Honest opinion of the movie: It was heartbreaking. I was in tears for more than half the movie. Just by listening, I could hear that many others in the audience were as well. I'm from the same area of Michigan as Michael Moore, so his Flint footage and the families he showed just hit as soooo real to me. That's Michigan, and folks like that army mom, really are the backbone of this country. It was heartbreaking to see her lose her son, just as it was heartbreaking to see the Iraqi woman lose her family. Agree or disagree with his politics, this is a powerful movie that is carefully made to ensure full effect. He's removed much of his snarky and cruel humor that I saw in his first movie "Rodger & me". I disliked his methods so much in that movie I vowed to never watch another - and I haven't, until now. I thought this one was too important, that I went anyways. I'm glad I did. In the end - don't believe the hype of what the media is saying about this movie. They aren't anywhere close to captureing what it is about. If you want to know, you need to see it for yourselves.
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 12:33 am
I felt it was a very interesting movie as well. Unlike some here, there were a couple things the movie highlighted that I did not know or realize. For instance, the fact that only 11,500 troops have been sent to Afghanistan. When you compare that to the number of troops deployed in Iraq it seems so ridiculous. Bin Laden is in Afghanistan. Why weren't more troops sent there first? All the connections the Bush family has to the Saudi government. I knew they existed, but didn't realize the depth of them. (After the movie I went and bought the book "House of Bush, House of Saud".) And, as Gina points out, the palpable grief of the woman who lost her son. God, I felt it in my heart. People like her and her family that serve are the backbone of this nation. It's certainly a powerful movie. I hope all Americans go out and see it, despite ones politics. PS. Gina, "Bowling for Columbine" was an excellent film, I highly recommend it.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 1:08 am
Fahrenheit 9/11 is a love story. I know many people have heard reporters telling them that it is a movie about a hatred of the resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but I think that's an incorrect judgement. Instead, it is a paean to classic American values of egalitarianism, access, and homogeneity and a hope that those values don't need a eulogy instead. A disclaimer: I don't know much about politics, really, and I don't want to talk about them in relation to this film, at least directly; nor will I talk about the truthfulness of Mr. Moore's claims in the film any more than I would talk about the spectre of anti-semitism that surrounded the release of The Passion of the Christ. I don't think that those are important considerations, anyhow, because our concern with film is imagistic and narrative rather than veracity. John Adams wrote a letter many years ago to Thomas Jefferson that said "Democracy is Lovelace and the people are Clarissa... The artful villain will pursue the innocent lovely girl to her ruin and her death." For those who aren't up on Samuel Richardson, Clarissa was an innocent 18th century girl who fell for the romantic discourse of Lovelace, her underhanded suitor who wants to deflower her and leave her in the lurch. Midway through Richardson's epistolary 1200 page novel, Clarissa is raped (off page, of course) and the rest of the letters that constitute the body of the novel show her gradual disintegration. Mr. Moore reiterates Adams' famous point about Clarissa by showing us that the nation has fallen for a suitor whose mastery for a particular discourse--in the case of our leader, it is purloined from cowboy dramas and 50s cop shows; in Lovelace's case, it was "romantic discourse" within 18th century culture--and that it constitutes the real threat to our sense of ourselves as a nation. He sees in the ersatz Lovelace all the problems associated with contemporary political culture: access to money and influence that reach from Texas to Afghanistan, an abiding sense of privilege, and a less-than-stellar work ethic. These, for Mr. Moore, threaten to ruin America. But if it starts out with a classic protagonist who threatens the order, it provides us with the American hero, who is--it should not surprise us--the American people itself. Moore loves the people who represent the broad swath of America, from whatever part of the political spectrum. They are African American, working class and middle class whites, and those who reject jingoistic appeals. He interviews a group of young African American kids in Flint MI who have thought about the military as a stepping stone to college. He shows footage of congresspeople who opposed the certification of the 2000 election, none more vehement than the Congressional Black Caucus, whose members could not find a single Senator--not Kennedy, not Feingold, not Wellstone (may he rest in peace), and not Byrd--would agree to halt the certification process. Here in Los Angeles, the crowd cheered when Maxine Waters, the congresswoman from Watts, told the Senate "I don't care about the rules!" only to be gaveled into silence by VP Gore, who was acting as President of the Senate. But nobody is more affecting than Lela, a self-described "conservative democrat" who asked her children to join the military because she couldn't afford to send them to college and because the military would allow them to see parts of the world they wouldn't otherwise see. I won't say what finally happens to Lela, but it is the most deeply affecting part of the film because it is the narrative where we see someone actually fall in love with America. Lela moves away from jingoism and becomes a citizen who loves her country by doing what citizens are supposed to do: question it and ask critical questions. It is a great solace that her son did the same, and we cry with his realization. Are there problems with this film? Yes, but there are with all great love affairs. The first hour goes by a bit too quickly perhaps and inundates us with information. We might want to see more of the "back story" to our American Lovelace and to spend more time examining the depth and reach of influence. But it also provides us with some of the most indelible images and direction we will see. Who thought the attacks on September 11th could seem nw again, as inured as we are to their violence? And yet, but turning his attention away from the buildings, by just allowing us to hear the sounds for a couple minutes, and then by looking at the faces of horrified onlookers, we have a wholly different understanding of the attacks. When we see two elderly women talking about Haliburton in their nursing home, we see the depths of patriotism and love for the nation we frequently forget. And when we finally see Lela go to the White House, partially hidden behind a green wall, presumably to protect it against another terrorist attack but also keeping Lela at bay, we are reminded of a demand by a departed president who demanded that his ideological opponent "tear down this wall."
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 8:12 am
Right, wrong or indifferent...I have to say I admire Michael Moore for his outspokeness. He is using Freedom Of Speech to the fullest.
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 9:06 am
I second that emotion 
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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 9:51 am
Wow Tishla that was so beautiful... thank you!
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 10:31 am
Agreed, Moondance. Who thought a movie review at tvch could make me cry? And I wasn't prepared for the thought that I am going to have to take a bunch of tissues to the movie. I will now. Probably going Tuesday.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 10:36 am
Rupert, amen!
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 3:30 pm
A very interesting review and analysis of the film Tishala.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 3:37 pm
Thanks, y'all. But I noticed that I screwed up Lila's name throughout the review. I'd had a couple glasses of wine when I was typing and it was late.
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