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Blacksheep
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10-18-2003
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 10:30 am
Now that this film has been viewed at Cannes, thought I'd start a threat about it. Disney hasn't sold the rights back to Miramax yet owners are confident to be able to buy back the rights and get distribution for release this summer. Moore wanted it released for July 4th weekend, however due to the change by Disney it may be August before it hits theaters (distribution pending). There is also spectulation of the DVD release to be made shortly after the theatrical release (ie before the next election). Moore's film was given a 20 min. standing ovation at Cannes, and have seen rumors that it may play in other festivals this year (though most are after Sept. therefore irrelevant unless it isn't released to the public before hand). I know I've posted this relatively early, but due to the storm brewing over the film (extra publicity anyone?!?) and it's contents (Bush ties to Saudi & Bin Ladens family, embedded in Iraq, and the critique of the current admin., to name a few) thought it might be interesting to see opinions on such a film. Though from what I've read re: Cannes viewers comments that Moore's approach is more narrative and not so much of the in-your-face-chase-down Moore is commonly known for.
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Jan
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 11:54 am
LOL is that a freudian slip, BLacksheep..."start a threat about it"???? I am sure it will be distributed in Canada if you want to travel here to see it.
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Blacksheep
Member
10-18-2003
| Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 1:01 pm
LOL...hmm well considering "t" and "d" are not that close together..perhaps it was subliminally inserted without my conscious self being aware of the "slip" - I'd like to think it fits the topic well though, eh?! Also, seeing that I'm living in the South (why oh why!), it would mean I'd have to make a trip outta it to Canada, whereas when I was living up north, going to Canada was a road trip sorta thing (I miss those!) Though if it isn't released here, don't be surprised if I visit our neighbor to the north! Moore will get my $$ one way or another.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 4:54 pm
'Fahrenheit 9/11' Wins Palme D'Or Award at Cannes CANNES, France (Reuters) - U.S. director Michael Moore's controversial anti-Bush documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" won the Palme d'Or best film award at the Cannes film festival on Saturday in an evening otherwise dominated by Asian films. "What have you done? I'm completely overwhelmed by this," an emotional Moore said in his acceptance speech. "The last time I was on an award stage in Hollywood, all hell broke loose," he added with a laugh. Moore won a special award in Cannes two years ago for his anti-gun documentary "Bowling for Columbine," which went on to win an Oscar. Moore drew criticism for his extended acceptance speech in which he spoke out against President Bush. "Fahrenheit 9/11" attracted acres of publicity before the festival when Disney, the parent company of Miramax which produced the film, said it did not want to distribute the picture in an election year.
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Auntiemike
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09-17-2001
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 2:19 pm
I have lost all respect for Michael Moore and, after reading how he misled, over and over again, the viewers in his last effort about Columbine I am inclined to think he is unable to make a documentary; he makes political pieces that happen to suit HIS politics. If you don't care for his far left wing ideology then avoid this film. Thanks for letting me spew about this filmmaker and the movies he makes. I would never see one of his pieces again.
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Blacksheep
Member
10-18-2003
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 9:02 am
Auntiemike ~ I'm not sure if you're saying that you've seen his films or not ("...after reading how he misled.....I would never see one of his pieces again"). Either way, it is his documentary and typically these types of films are slanted to one direction (i.e. Journeys with George, 2002, Alexandra Pelosi) and I find your some comments rather inappropriate. To say that his films are overtly misleading is to be misleading - he does tend to combine truths with half-truths, of which he also is given much criticism for, but within the message he is attempting to portray there is validity in what he's saying. Whether we agree with him 100% or not does not justify equating his films to left-winged trash (this isn't a political board). My interest with Moore is that it is reassuring to know that there is a filmmaker out there that is able to reach mainstream, who is respected among his peers, and gives the rest of us something to ponder. Simply saying to avoid his films because he is a liberal and his films only suit his political beliefs is noting your political biased to anything outside your own political beliefs. This thread isn't meant to be a rant on Moore political beliefs or our own political beliefs, rather discussion on the film and the impact it may or may not have on the US in light of the on going wars – how public opinion may be affected etc. Updates on release info, and general discussion after it's release.
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Blacksheep
Member
10-18-2003
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 9:08 am
Correction: ..and I find some of your comments rather...
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Zules
Member
08-21-2000
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 9:24 am
Well, I certainly hope someone picks up distribution for this film and quick! I'll be there on opening night.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:11 am
ITA Blacksheep. IF there are half-truths in Moore's film that means there's still some truth in there and I don't feel qualified to criticize until I get to see it. What I got out of Bowling for Columbine wasn't that a bank will give you a gun when you open an account (a half truth) but that we are manipulated into fear in this country. I'm with you Zules. I will be first in line to see it.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:38 am
Blacksheep, if you find something you want to correct in your post, you have ten minutes from the time you posted it to edit your post. See where the date and time is? And the first little symbol next to it? Click on the first one, and you can edit your post, without having to make a second correcting post.
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Blacksheep
Member
10-18-2003
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 12:18 pm
Juju - I haven't been able to get the function to work for me (could be stupid work computer!)...will try it again next time I have an error..thanks for the tip though. Brenda - most of the 'half-truths' that I refer to are along the lines of manipulating time sequences to appear that something has happened when it actually didn't (separation of time btwn events) in relation to what he's presenting or the example you gave. In Roger & Me, he twisted interviews with unemployed 'poor' locals to work into his story with the auto manufacturers, but those people didn't have any connection to the plants other than living in the city. Stuff like that and sometimes his character representation which in the big picture doesn't weaken his films (imho). Btw, I'm not arguing what you said - just adding some info to clarify 'half truths'. This type of presentation of information is often used in the media, so it's nothing new.
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 2:04 pm
"(this isn't a political board)" I find the very virtue of his films to be highly political so that if he chooses to make a film expressing his political slant than it is fair game to discuss his films regarding his slant. But I don't want to digress and argue. I value your points and perhaps my rants (as I believe I stated they were) are to be dismissed as those of the moment.....certainly I am big enough to give things more thought and not respond with such prejudice. My apologies. I will look to the release of this film, probably see it and then make another attempt at evaluating it. Just know that we all have biases and they sometimes come through in our expression of thoughts here - be they right or wrong. My intent was not to offend.
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 5:41 pm
I defend Mr Moore's right to be a **** 
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 5:45 pm
Lol lol lol...ya always come up with a way to say it succinctly, Ketch...hee hee 
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 6:30 pm
Kind of hard to offer opinions about a movie if you havent seen it. How can you form an opinion of a filmmaker without seeing his work. Look at the documentary Fog of War, great documentary certainly it had its own slant and position but it was powerful nonetheless. Michael Moore feels very passionately about what he believes in and that is what he makes movies about. He wants to make the world better for the little guy. He makes movies about kids getting killed in schools, he did a great show on medical insurance in america, big auto companies closing down plants while making record profits. That is his agenda. Trying to change things and believe it or not in Bowling for Columbine he did manage to effect a change with his camera, Kmart stopped selling bullets when Michael Moore took the boy who was paralysed in the Columbine Shootings to the Kmart corporate headquarters. I havent seen this movie yet but I plan on seeing it. I have loved all his movies and his t.v. show when it was on. I have all the episodes on DVD and they are hysterical. Who else is out there making documentaries about our world?
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Azlen
Member
08-27-2000
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:37 pm
Maris, I am sure if Rush Limbaugh were to make a documentary that you would probably have an opinion of it before seeing it. The problem with Moore is that he is very much a polarizer and thus ends up preaching to the choir most of the time. Even though I believe Bush to be a bit of a dunderhead and think the country will be better off without him in office, I have no desire to sit through a two hour negative campaign ad. I get disgusted with them from both sides in thirty second form.
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:59 pm
I'm looking forward to seeing Farnheit 911. I'm well aware of Moore's political leanings and there have been many times where I disagree with him. (ie: His political ranting at the Academy Awards; totally not the place or time for it, imo.) However, I think there's value in any documentary, whether one agrees or diagrees with it and its subject matter. If anything, it's a springboard to dialog. For that, I do respect Moore.
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Bluebug
Member
01-05-2004
| Monday, May 31, 2004 - 3:33 pm
First of all, I should say that I would most likely hate a limbaugh documentary should he make one, but I would appreciate that someone is doing SOMETHING that isn't completely neutral. Noone expresses anything any more that isn't completely, 100% neutral( except of course fox). I also think that I wouldn't judge the documentary, I would judge his political views, or at least I would judge it with some information. When I heard of The Passion Of The Christ I thought I might see it. Then I heard it was gruesomly violent. Then I decided not to see it. All i'm saying is that some people are mixing political view with film. Loved Braveheart, but dont love Gibson's political views.
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Cinnamongirl
Member
01-10-2001
| Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 8:09 am
Being released June 25th in USA
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Blacksheep
Member
10-18-2003
| Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 8:34 am
Cinnamongirl - you beat me to it!!! A little more info from Variety for anyone interested: Lions Gate, IFC to distribute controversial documentary - Micheal Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" has landed a domestic distribution deal in time to spark plenty of July 4 and pre-election fireworks. Palme D'Or winner will be released June 25, on U.S. screens through a joint venture between Lions Gate Films, IFC Films and Harvey and Bob Weinstein's Fellowship Adventure Group. Additional Release dates: Denmark.....06-Aug-04 Argentina...12-Aug-04 Italy..........27-Aug-04 Spain.........10-Sep-04 France.......01-Oct-04
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 10:42 am
FYI -- Michael Moore posted the trailer today through a link on his website.
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Blacksheep
Member
10-18-2003
| Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 1:09 pm
Fahrenheit 911 Trailer I'm just too slow lately (not coming here right away when I find out info, thanks to both Cinnamongirl & Yankee)
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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 1:42 pm
Thank you Michael Moore
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 4:26 pm
If you're interested in Fahrenheit 911: The Temperature Where Freedom Burns, you might also be interested in another documentary coming out called The Hunting of the President, which is based on te NYTimes best-selling book. You can see about it HERE [and watch the trailer!]. It's co-directed by Harry Thomason, who directed "A Man From Hope" [I think that's the name!], the documentary made in 1992 about then-candidate Clinton. More recently, he directed the excellent documentary "American Son," about then-presidential candidate Gen. Wesley Clark.
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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 5:14 pm
Wow that looks really good Tish... thanks!
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