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Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Monday, July 05, 2004 - 8:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
7 in the theater opening week, Marm????? Now, that IS a conservative Republican town!

Kaili
Member

08-31-2000

Tuesday, July 06, 2004 - 5:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My mom, stepdad, Tim, and I went to see it in celebration of the 4th of July

I have a hard time saying it's a good movie just because of the subject matter. I call entertaining movies good- I can't do that with this. But it was very well made and certainly getsit's point across.

After seeing it, yeah. I can see where it's easy to manipulate film footage for effect BUT the facts were all there, laid out and packaged together very nicely. Not a ton of new information, but old information that was in bits and pieces compiled all together so you can see it for what it is.

And yep. Standing ovation at the end of a packed 7 pm July 4th show.

Meemo
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08-22-2002

Friday, July 16, 2004 - 6:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Theater Invites GOP to 'Fahrenheit'
Jul 15, 3:04 PM EST

The Associated Press

LEWISBURG, Pa. -- Theater operator Eric Faden has had a hard time persuading Republicans to see "Fahrenheit 9/11." So he's inviting them to a special showing.

What's more, he'll even buy tickets for any card-carrying Republicans who come to see Michael Moore's assault on President Bush's actions regarding the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Hopefully, some people will come out," said Faden, executive director of the nonprofit Campus Theatre in downtown Lewisburg and an assistant professor of film studies at Bucknell University.

"That is the sincere intent of this."

Faden isn't trying to convince anybody that Moore is right. He's ambivalent toward "Fahrenheit 9/11," describing it as "both a fantastic film and a fantastically flawed film."

"There's, obviously, a lot in the film that was very provoking and intriguing, but there was also a lot in the film that I questioned," Faden said.

Faden heard liberal patrons praising the film, but when he sought the opinions of his conservative friends, he found most hadn't seen it, often because they didn't want to support Moore financially. That's why he's willing to ante up.

One local GOP leader said he hoped people would take Faden up on the offer.

John Meckley, Republican Party chairman of neighboring Northumberland County, saw "Fahrenheit 9/11" last week and described the movie as "intellectually dishonest as a documentary." But he also said he would encourage local Republicans to see the film so they can participate in an informed debate.

"I called Eric to applaud him for doing this," Meckley said. "I think what he's doing is he's really trying to open the doors to make the film available to more people, so that he can open the debate. And in this country, debate has always been a positive thing."

Even a free showing might not be enough to persuade some to see the film. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll found 63 percent of Republicans had no plans to see "Fahrenheit 9/11," compared with 38 percent of independents and 27 percent of Democrats.

"We'll see what happens on Saturday," Faden said. "I think it's going to be one of two things — it's either going to be packed and I'm going to be really poor, or no one's going to show up."



Skootz
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07-23-2003

Friday, July 16, 2004 - 8:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
DH and I are going to see this movie tonite. ITA Kaili...I am sure it is not a "good" movie..we are looking forward to watching it to understand more the subject matter behind the attack etc., (We are Canadians

Jan
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08-01-2000

Friday, July 16, 2004 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A friend and I went to the Wed matinee this week. We always go to a weekday matinee because the theatre is always empty and we feel like it is a private viewing. Imagine our surprise when, this late in it's run, in a small theatre in northern Ontario Canada, on a wednesday afternoon, we had 50 people in the theatre with us.

I thought it was a great movie. For me, the time went very quickly. (of course, I can understand that people who do not have the same viewpoint would not feel that way. If I went to a documentary made by Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly, I would hate it also and want to leave)

I tried to talk my Republican American parents into going to see it but they said no way, it is full of lies and not to believe everything I see. I laughed and told my Mom I would promise to be very sceptical of this movie if she would promise to do the same every time she listens to Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly. She, of course, can't see the comparison. Oh well.

Unfortunately she's the voter and I'm the Canadian!! :-):-)

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Monday, October 04, 2004 - 6:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This is being released tomorrow on video/DVD

DVD Special Features:

**Available subtitles: English
**Available Audio Tracks: English (Dolby Digital 5.1)

"The Release of Fahrenheit 9/11" featurette

"Iraq, Pre-War" featurette: The people of Iraq on the eve of invasion

"Homeland security, Miami style" featurette: Footage of the old men who patrol the Florida coast lookng for terrorists as part of the homeland security plan

"Outside Abu Ghraib Prison"

Eyewitness account from Samara, Iraq

"Lila, D.C.": Lila Lipscomb at the Washington, D.C. premiere

Arab-American comedians: Their acts and experiences after 9/11

Extended interview: More with Abdul Henderson

"Condi 9/11": Condoleezza Rice's 9/11 Commission testimony

"Bush Rose Garden": George W. Bush's full press briefing after 9/11 Commission appearance


Tashakinz
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11-13-2002

Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I watched this yesterday. I felt so bad for that mom at the end of the movie having that woman come up to her and accuse her of "staging" her grief in DC. It was painful to watch at times, but the "My Pet Goat" footage proved (to me) just how unprepared Bush is to run the country.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 10:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If anyone can get hold of this on dvd I would recommend watching the extra features, they are as illuminating as the movie. Scary.

Cameramanbob
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09-10-2002

Monday, October 25, 2004 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hi you guys - I ordinarily do not post anywhere but the BB forums, so excuse me for being generally 'unavailable' and for posting comments in a thread where I have not invested much time or study.

I'd just like to say I have always loved to see MM's movies anytime (mass media free-speech critiques are far too few...) even though I find Mr. Moore socially abusive to anyone that suits his camera. So I like him and I don't like him. That said, I would like to post a link here to a Canadian (CBC) television show that did exactly the same expose as F/911, but FAIRLY.

It was broadcast before F/911 was released, and it kindly and fairly offers all the possible interpretations of the same conspiracy theories MM examines. In other words, the show asks all the right questions and does not force any conclusions on the viewer. It is SUCH quality journalism, and I am heartily recommending anyone here (who has time) read the website that accompanied the tv show. - Cheers. - CMB

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/index.html


Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Monday, October 25, 2004 - 10:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hi Everyone! I didn't even realize that this thread was here, until the last couple of posts 'bumped' it up. I waited until my birthday weekend, at the end of July, to see this when my sister came from Arizona on vacation & could share the experience. We BOTH loved it and will be buying the DVD!

After all the inferences in the beginning from Bush & Co. that 'anyone who wasn't FOR the War on Iraq must be unPatriotic', it was refreshing to see this F911 movie exorcise a LOT of the propaganda we Americans were supposed to swallow blindly. Some of the info shown was from a time where so many of us were in shock and horror, everything was surreal. MM reminded and explained things like, how American planes weren't allowed to fly right after 9/11, but it was okay to charter home the Saudis and Bin Laden's family without even questioning them.

I think, someday down the road in history (when Bush gets rustled back to TX) Michael Moore may go down as a True Patriot for blowing the whistle! Especially, after more of the dirty little secrets start creeping into the daylight - like happened today in our newspaper:

U.N.: 400 tons of Iraq explosives missing

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=Nuclear%20Agency%20Iraq
Monday, October 25, 2004 · Last updated 8:51 p.m. PT

VIENNA, Austria -- The U.N. nuclear agency warned Monday that insurgents in Iraq may have obtained nearly 400 tons of missing explosives that can be used in the kind of car bomb attacks that have targeted U.S.-led coalition forces for months.

International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei reported the disappearance to the U.N. Security Council on Monday, two weeks after he said Iraq told the nuclear agency that the explosives had vanished from the former Iraqi military installation as a result of "theft and looting ... due to lack of security."

The disappearance raised questions about why the United States didn't do more to secure the Al-Qaqaa facility 30 miles south of Baghdad and failed to allow full international inspections to resume after the March 2003 invasion.

The White House played down the significance of the missing weapons, but Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry accused President Bush of "incredible incompetence" and his campaign said the administration "must answer for what may be the most grave and catastrophic mistake in a tragic series of blunders in Iraq."

Al-Qaqaa is near Youssifiyah, an area rife with ambush attacks. An Associated Press Television News crew that drove past the compound Monday saw no visible security at the gates of the site, a jumble of low-slung, yellow-colored storage buildings that appeared deserted.

"The most immediate concern here is that these explosives could have fallen into the wrong hands," IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said.

The agency first placed a seal over Al-Qaqaa storage bunkers holding the explosives in 1991 as part of U.N. sanctions that ordered the dismantlement of Iraq's nuclear program after the Gulf War.

IAEA inspectors last saw the explosives in January 2003 when they took an inventory and placed fresh seals on the bunkers, Fleming said. Inspectors visited the site again in March 2003, but didn't view the explosives because the seals were not broken, she said.

Nuclear agency experts pulled out of Iraq just before the U.S.-led invasion later that month, and have not yet been able to return for general inspections despite ElBaradei's repeated urging that they be allowed to finish their work. Although IAEA inspectors have made two trips to Iraq since the war at U.S. requests, Russia and other Security Council members have pressed for their full-time return - so far unsuccessfully.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said coalition forces were present in the vicinity of the site both during and after major combat operations, which ended May 1, 2003 - and searched the facility but found none of the explosives material in question. That raised the possibility that the explosives had disappeared before U.S. soldiers could secure the site in the immediate invasion aftermath.

The Pentagon would not say whether it had informed the nuclear agency at that point that the conventional explosives were not where they were supposed to be.

Saddam Hussein's regime used Al-Qaqaa as a key part of its effort to build a nuclear bomb. Although the missing materials are conventional explosives known as HMX and RDX, the Vienna-based IAEA became involved because HMX is a "dual use" substance powerful enough to ignite the fissile material in an atomic bomb and set off a nuclear chain reaction.

Both are key components in plastic explosives such as C-4 and Semtex, which are so powerful that Libyan terrorists needed just a pound to blow up Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, killing 170 people.

Insurgents targeting coalition forces in Iraq have made widespread use of plastic explosives in a bloody spate of car bomb attacks. Officials were unable to link the missing explosives directly to the recent car bombings, but the revelations that they could have fallen into enemy hands caused a stir in the last week of the U.S. presidential campaign.

"These explosives can be used to blow up airplanes, level buildings, attack our troops and detonate nuclear weapons," senior Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart said in a statement. "The Bush administration knew where this stockpile was, but took no action to secure the site."

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said the administration's first concern was whether the disappearance constituted a nuclear proliferation threat. He said it did not.

"We have destroyed more than 243,000 munitions" in Iraq, he said. "We've secured another nearly 163,000 that will be destroyed."

McClellan said the IAEA informed U.S. mission in Vienna on Oct. 15 about the missing explosives at Al-Qaqaa. He said national security adviser Condoleeza Rice was notified "days after that," and she then informed President Bush.

ElBaradei told the council the agency had been trying to give the U.S.-led multinational force and Iraq's interim government "an opportunity to attempt to recover the explosives before this matter was put into the public domain."

But since the disappearance was reported Monday in The New York Times, ElBaradei said he wanted the Security Council to have the letter dated Oct. 10 that he received from Mohammed J. Abbas, a senior official at Iraq's Ministry of Science and Technology, reporting the theft of 377 tons of explosives.

The letter from Abbas informed the IAEA that since April 9, 2003, looting at the Al-Qaqaa installation had resulted in the loss of 215 tons of HMX, 156 tons of RDX and six tons of PETN explosives.

Diplomats said there was nothing to suggest that ElBaradei, who had irritated the Bush administration before the war by insisting there was no evidence that Saddam had revived his nuclear program, had intended to keep the report a secret until after the Nov. 2 election.



No Wonder Bush doesn't believe the war on terror can be won - we've opened Pandora's Box and now added to the arsenal BIG TIME!!



Azriel
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 2:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Some of the info shown was from a time where so many of us were in shock and horror, everything was surreal. MM reminded and explained things like, how American planes weren't allowed to fly right after 9/11, but it was okay to charter home the Saudis and Bin Laden's family without even questioning them.

Biscotti, unfortunately that was one of the film's many distortions of the truth. National air space was reopened on Sept 13. The 9/11 report stated that the Bin Laden's family plane did not take off until Sept 20th. The report also stated that the FBI screened the passengers.

9/11 Commission Report Page 556

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 3:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That should be page 556 and 557. :-)

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for clarifying Azriel.

I think what bothers me the most about this entire film and the commentary is that Michael Moore clearly wants to present his particular point of view and has picked and chosen very specifically for his film. He can edit and manipulate many aspects of his film. I saw him do that in Columbine movie (and, yes, I enjoyed that one and it made me think). It scares me to think that people are actually basing their entire vote for President on Michael Moore's film.

Let's get real; check out all the facts; look at history; listen with open ears and vote according to OUR knowledge and understanding.

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 11:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Of course Mr. Moore never says in the film that the bin Laden family was allowed to fly without anyone questioning them nor does he distort the truth--instead, people distort what he says. He talks to an expert, instead, who suggests that the bin Ladens were not sufficiently vetted.
[...] In the days following September 11th, all commercial and private airline traffic was grounded.

VOICEOVER: The FAA has taken action to close all of the airports in the United States.

VOICEOVER: Even grounding the President's father, former President Bush, on a flight forced to land in Milwaukee. Dozens of travelers stranded, among them, Ricky Martin, due to perform at tonight's Latin Grammy awards.

NARRATOR: Not even Ricky Martin would fly. But really, who wanted to fly? No one. Except the bin Ladens.

(video of plane taking off... song, "We've got to get out of this place")

SEN. BYRON DORGAN: We had some airplanes authorized at the highest levels of our government to fly to pick up Osama bin Laden's family members and others from Saudi Arabia; transport them out of this country.

NARRATOR: It turns out that the White House approved planes to pick up the bin Ladens and numerous other Saudis. At least six private jets and nearly two dozen commercial plans carried the Saudis and the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after September 13th. In all, 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country.

(video of Osama bin Laden)

CRAIG UNGER: Osama has always been portrayed as the bad apple, the black sheep of the family and that they cut off all relationship with him around 1994. In fact things are much more complicated than that.

NARRATOR: You mean Osama has had contact with other family members?

CRAIG UNGER: That's right. In the summer of 2001 just before 9/11 one of Osama's sons got married in Afghanistan and several family members showed up at the wedding.

NARRATOR: Bin Ladens?

CRAIG UNGER: That's right. They have not cut off completely; that's really an exaggeration.

LARRY KING: We now welcome to Larry King Live, it's good to see him again, Prince Bandar, the Ambassador of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to the United States.

PRINCE BANDAR: We have about twenty-four members of bin Laden's family and uh...

LARRY KING: Here?

PRINCE BANDER: In America. Students and his majesty felt it was not fair for those innocent people to be subjected to any harm. On the other hand, we understood had the high emotions. So in cooperation with the FBI, we got them out.

NARRATOR: This is retired FBI agent Jack Cloonan. Before 9/11 he was a senior agent on the joint FBI-CIA al Qaeda task force.

JACK CLOONAN: I as an investigator would not want these people to have left. ... I think in the case of the bin Laden family I think it would have been prudent, hand the subpoenas out, have 'em come in, get on the record. You know, get on the record.

NARRATOR: That's the proper procedure.

JACK CLOONAN: Yeah. ... How many people were pulled off of the airlines after that coming into the country who were what, that were from the Middle East or they fit a very general picture.

NARRATOR: We held hundreds of, ...

JACK CLOONAN: We held hundreds and I...

NARRATOR: ...weeks and months at a time.

(cut to Craig Unger)

NARRATOR: Did the authorities do anything when the bin Ladens tried to leave the country?

CRAIG UNGER: No, they were identified at the airport, they looked at their passports, and they were identified.

NARRATOR: But that's what would happen to you or I if we were...

CRAIG UNGER: Exactly. Exactly.

NARRATOR: "So a little interview, check the passport, what else?"

CRAIG UNGER: Nothing.

(cut to Dragnet song)

NARRATOR: I don't know about you, but usually when the police can't find a murderer don't they usually want to talk to the family members to find out where they think he might be? link
What's worse: Misrepresenting something Mr. Moore says or Mr. Moore misrepresenting something--even though he misrepresents NOTHING there? What was the name of Al Franken's last book?

Jan
Member

08-01-2000

Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 6:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

Website Offers Free Copies of 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000468.html


A San Bruno, CA man has admitted that he has spent $2,000 for high-speed Internet connectivity to his website so that people can download Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 for free. Marc Perkel told the London Independent that he does not expect to be sued for copyright infringement. "Michael Moore wants me to distribute this," he said, while admitting that he has never actually spoken to Moore. (Moore said in July: "I don't agree with the copyright laws and I don't have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people as long as they're not trying to make a profit off my labor.") So far, Perkel said, the film has been downloaded 337,756 times (http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000468.html). "But I don't count downloads, I count votes. How many voters are converted or how many people are motivated to actually vote? "

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