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Colordeagua
Member
10-24-2003
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 1:01 pm
Until you make a baby that child doesn't exist. It's not a logical argument to say that person would rather have existed that not existed, if it didn't exist then there is no choice possible. I would be 100% for Elton and David adopting a baby, they can provide well for it and I'm sure will be loving parents, even if Elton's time with the child might be limited. But with many needy children in the world they created a baby when it is pretty much guaranteed that it will be in for an unusual amount of pain in the first 20 years of its life. Yes, sad/non-ideal things could happen to anyone, but to my mind it's a bit selfish to create a human being for yourself when you're 63. Very well stated, Kitt. Better than I.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 1:12 pm
So my neighbor who is pregnant shouldn't have a baby because she should adopt?
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 1:32 pm
So the child is better off dead or non-existing? You would prefer it that way? I just can't work my mind around to that sort of logic. Perhaps we could find a poll of people with older parents and ask them if they would rather not have been born at all? It's like saying single Moms shouldn't have kids. Is it wrong of Jodie Foster to have children? I believe this is the first post that mentioned single Moms. This thread has taken on a life of its own...nobody has said that single Moms shouldn't have children (at least not that I see!). I don't know why it isn't o.k. with some that myself and others think Elton John is too old for a newborn. I know he's a beloved superstar and all, but nobody can tell me that a 5 year old starting kindergarten having a 68 year old father is not going to be without it's difficulties. But I suppose nannies will raise the child anyway.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 1:39 pm
Twiggy, I don't think anyone said that, however since neither Elton or David are physically equipped to get pregnant, they could adopt, as many who are not capable of getting pregnant do. Now, I wonder if they were unable to adopt or if they wanted a biological. I don't begrudge them for wanting a biological child at all. However, if that was a non-issue, then why were they against adoption?
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 1:42 pm
I thought they tried to adopt and were turned down.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 2:04 pm
Through divorce and moving cross country I lost my father when I was 7. At my age I still feel the loss of growing up without a daddy.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 2:08 pm
Many countries still have trouble recognizing civil unions between gay couples, which is why they were turned down from adopting the boy in the Ukraine. Elton has pledged to fund the boy through adulthood and has done so as far as I know. Honestly, I thought this was a feel-good story when I read it and was happy for the couple. Kind of mystified at the direction it took. Whatever. I'm not for Angelina Jolie adopting 10 token children either, and some people probably think that's the greatest thing ever. To each their own.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 2:12 pm
I don't see the difference between Elton and his partner having a biological child and anyone else choosing to have one biologically. As to age, that isn't fair. We cannot know how long anyone will live. We could live a long life or a short one. However, we make the most of what we have. That child will be loved and well cared for. Age makes no difference. IMO.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 2:19 pm
I don't begrudge them for wanting their own, especially if they tried to adopt first. They probably wanted to adopt, couldn't, and opted for this route.
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Maris
Member
03-27-2002
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 2:41 pm
I remember when Elton and his partner tried to adopt an aids afflicted toddler internationally and were turned down. They bonded with the child in an orphanage. It was such a tragedy because I am sure that child is most likely still in an institution.. Re age, look at Larry King.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 2:55 pm
Or how old was Tony Randall when he finally got married and had kids? I think he was in his 70s.
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Texannie
Member
07-15-2001
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 2:59 pm
and I thought he was too old too! LOL
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 3:05 pm
Speaking as a Moderator, this is a discussion board. We discuss things here and that is why we are discussing this. And it is okay to think and say what you want and it is equally okay for people to say something different and/or take the discussion in a different direction. The thing that is not okay is telling people what to post. --------------------------- Until you make a baby that child doesn't exist. It's not a logical argument to say that person would rather have existed that not existed, if it didn't exist then there is no choice possible. That goes beyond my level of comprehension. Of course, we can't ask people who never existed if they wanted to exist. However, we can certainly ask people who have older parents if they are happy that they exist or wish they had never been born. And there are numerous people that I know who have older parents or are the off-spring of children with older parents who are extremely happy that they exist. With respect to introducing the single mother question, all I am saying is there is no end to where we could go in questioning whether it is proper for a person to have children.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 3:11 pm
My mother was 20 when she had me, her second child. Father was 30. I was orphaned at 19. Both parents died of natural causes a year apart. Bigdog's parents were both 43 when he was born. Bigdog's Momma is still alive and of sound mind at 106.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 3:33 pm
Oh, I understand what you were saying Jimmer, but it looked like there were arguments discussions about whether that was right or wrong, as if someone had suggested that it was.
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Maris
Member
03-27-2002
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 3:58 pm
I have to say, re the age issue. I pretty ;much want to throw up at the whole Hugh Heffner and fiancee, bleech. 84 is way to old to have a twenty something wife.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 4:14 pm
It was suggested Huk, if you are referring to my post. There was an implication that single mothers have children because they somehow think men are unnecessary, and I took issue with that implication. If you read the post differently than I did, that's certainly possible.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 4:15 pm
Juju, am I hallucinatin' again? I thought you once said big dog's mom was 50 when she had him. Or maybe she had a sibling of his at 50?? (Or is this also a figment of your imagination???)
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 4:17 pm
Thanks Hukd. I agree that the Hefner thing sounds gross. However, I must say that Hefner is a rather interesting guy. Obviously, I knew about Playboy and the mansion, etc. but I didn't know a whole lot about him. Then I read a blog/article by Roger Ebert of all people and a bit to my surprise he was extremely positive about Hefner. LOL – So I started following Hefner and Crystal on Twitter and I have to confess that I find them rather entertaining. I do think he is far too old for her by any standard but she does seem like a sweet person.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 4:45 pm
Yes, thanks Lexie, I mean that a child who is born to a 63 year old parent is clearly going to have some issues that children born to sprightlier parents don't have, and most likely in their 20s, which many would call the prime of life, is going to have to deal with the things most of us, thankfully, don't face until their 40s or 50s - dealing with the physical and emotional drains of having a sick or less able parent. I wouldn't want to visit that on someone in their early 20s, who maybe is in their first career jobs, or busy in college, or starting their own family. To me that's their time to be young, and as their parent I wouldn't want them to be worrying about me at that time in their life.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 5:21 pm
and then there is my uncle who is going on 93 and in excellent health. I saw him at Christmas and he was a riot!! He drinks a Manhattan every day and follows no particular health regime..LOL A person could be young and have health issues, too. Who is to say Elton will be sickly? My gosh 63 these days isn't that old!
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Bluejaxrock
Member
04-23-2004
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 6:03 pm
I had my first child at 26, and my second at 39, and there are definitely differences in what I did with the first and what I can do with the second. For instance, going to amusement parks, the zoo, and the state fair. I can't handle heat and crowds, and there's no way you'd get me on a ride nowadays. Fortunately, my second daughter has a BFF whose family includes her in a lot of their activities. Would I trade my second DD for anything? Absolutely not. Would I have taken precautions if I thought I could get pregnant at that age (numerous fertility problems when I was younger and thought pregnancy was an impossibility)? Absolutely.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 6:04 pm
63 isn't, but 83 is, and that's how old he'll be when the boy is 20. I know there are always exceptions to every rule, but more than likely that child is going to struggle with the issues of an aging parent when they are still very young.
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Texannie
Member
07-15-2001
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 6:55 pm
My grandmother lived to be 100, my great grandmother 101, my mom only till 72. i would have thought any of them too old to have a baby at 63!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 7:11 pm
Hef has contributed greatly to saving the HOLLYWOOD sign. Thumbs up for that.
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