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Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 3:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I wonder if the short skirts are so you can see their ass or legs from far away. I wonder if the belly shirts are so you can see their navels from past the stage....


I wonder if the hookers on Hollywood Blvd use the same reasoning.

Also, I'm sure that the majority of the 'fans' are parents....but what if some aren't? Do they do a background check on every spectator? Of course not. You pay to get in.....

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 8:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
i personally think comparing little girls competing in cheerleading to hookers is a huge stretch.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 8:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Escapee, that is true of any sporting event, dance recital, cheer comp, etc. You can't garuntee the people there are there for good reasons or cuz they belong to one of the kids participating. We have people from the surrounding neighborhoods come to watch the girls games all the time, they don't have kids playing or know any playing. Best we can do as parents is keep an eye on all the kids, make sure they aren't wandering around by themselves, and pay attention to those strangers.

They're kids participating in a sport wearing their uniform, most probably don't dress that way all the time. Can't say I'd be too happy with Dakota wearing the skimpy uniforms, luckily she's not interested in that kind of stuff and it's not an issue for us.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 8:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
cheerpic
I'm thankful that DD's cheer group doesn't seem too glamorous -- mostly concentrating on dance and tumbling skills. DD loves it, so even if it required makeup and fake hair I'd probably have a hard time draging her away.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 10:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Bren, that is so adorable, not to mention age appropriate.

In comparison, my niece's squad looks like hookers, IMO.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 10:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Thanks Escapee! We did the dance thing and she wore a neon outfit (that she loved) and danced to "Hot, hot, hot". I much prefer the cheerleading, although I'm secretly hoping she loses interest before she gets big and they start doing the really dangerous stunts.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 2:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Ok, gonna post some pics.






No one else thinks the makeup is too much and the skirts WAY short? Maybe I'm Prudence McPrude....who knows.....I just know I don't agree.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 2:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
These girls are as young as 8-10 and others are up to 14 or 15.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 2:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Looks fine to me, although the makeup looks very amateurish. More clothing than we had in most ballet performances, that's for sure.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 3:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Yes, these uniforms do not show their bellies, thank goodness. Many do.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I was expecting much worse based on your decription. They don't look any different from any other cheerleader uniform or wose than anything we wore in ballet. Heck, their tops are turtlenecks!!! And most cheerleading uniforms have special shorts/bottoms not just regular panties. Leotards are much lower cut. The makeup does look clownish up close, but from the stage shot it looks fine.

I think you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I can understand your cousin being upset if you voiced it as strongly as you have here. Would you like it if someone critisized your children or your judgement on what you allow your children to do?

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
You do realize she's 8 years old. I didn't say anything more to my cousin that I didn't like all that makeup on such a pretty girl.

The additional problem is she wants to dress like this all the time, school, etc. and wear the makeup. She wants to wear a padded bra for "shape".

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Yes, I thought the outfits would be much worse. The makeup is a bit heavy, but if you are seated far away it probably looks okay. I don't find the skirts too short -- they are doing splits and kartwheels and such, so need to be in a leotard type outfit (which is what is under the skirt). I don't find it any more revealing than a leotard a gymnast wears.

Now I will say I don't like it when I see little ones being taught dance moves that could rival a pole dancers -- but as long as the moves are not too grown up I don't mind the costume.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 3:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Escapee, I don't care for the make-up or the choreography but I am old and remember that little girls used to "play make-up" at home by wearing mom's shoes and some lipstick.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 3:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Up close the make up is not good, but from a distance (even the bottom pic which is a little closer than the top) it's not that bad.

Some of our softball teams wear shorts (especially in the hotter months) that are the same legnth as those skirts. I have a bigger problem with the shorts since most the girls like to slide into base any chance they get and end up walking away with nasty scratches all down their legs.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Kids always try to push the limits. That's when parenting comes into play and the parent says 'no, that makeup is for cheerleading only' and 'no you may not wear a padded bra'.

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 3:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
I think the short skirts are ok if the undergarment/panty is the same fabric, so it's all part of the outfit.
The makeup looks really bad (and I agree de-values their athleticism) but if it's worn as part of a "cheering show" only, why not. Would not allow it elsewhere.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
Have you seen the pageant girls? Yikes, they wear too much make-up. I do think the make-up is a bit heavy in those pictures, but their uniforms look like all the others.
My daughter has been in music/dance school in the past, and I've seen costumes of every type over the years. Em had singing lessons, so she never had to wear the costumes.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Oh bras.

By the time Dakota was 8/9 (4th grade,) about 25% of the girls were wearing at least training bras and actually needed them. By 5th grade, it was closer to 75% wearing bras and needed them. And I can tell you from personal experience (still complaining about it) it's very hard to find even training bras that aren't padded unless you're buying sports bras. Sis has been going through it with oldest niece (who is 10 now, but in 4th grade) because she wants to wear a bra like most her classmates, but cuz she has nothing to actually stuff in a bra, sis ain't getting her any.

Rissa
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03-19-2006

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
ITA with Wargod!!! As the mother of three daughters, it is damn near impossible to find non-padded bras in those small sizes. The only alternative is those athletic shapeless uniboob (can I say that? LOL) bras that have zero support and give at least one of my daughter's severe backaches (because of the razorback straps).

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 4:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I see some of the girls that age who need a padded bra. Not for shape or enhancing, but because "they" tend to stick out akwardly and leave nothing to be desired even in a t shirt. Sometimes nipples grow faster than boobs and that can look very odd and unflattering on a young, developing girl.

I know that when I did dance (tap/ballet) and cheer we were told that garrish makeup would distract from the routine, and the point of us being there was the routine. We were allowed a little blush and some lipstick so we didn't look like ghosts on stage, but that was it. In cheer comp we were told we would be disqualified for ANY makeup and if our skirts were hiked up too short because it set a bad example for the younger girls and we were considered roll models. Apparently that's an old school way of thinking now.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 4:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
It might be old school, but it'd have to be older school than me because we had professionals there to apply makeup when we performed and my ballet instructor was very, very respected. Foundation. Blush. Shadow. Liner. Lashes. Blush. Brows. Lips. The whole shebang.

Ballet performers have been performing that way for years.

I can't believe 75% of kids are wearing bras in 5th grade, though. Wow. I wasn't in 5th grade THAT long ago and, not to be mean, but only the fat girls had bras at that age. Almost everyone wore them in 7th, but 5th? Just goes to show how messed up our diets (and the hormones in them, etc) are these days.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 4:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Tish, don't you think though that ballet dancers and cheerleaders are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to being viewed as sexual objects? I've never seen a poster of a ballerina on a young guy's wall or in a girly magazine but have seen cheerleaders in both. Didn't the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders set the bar for that? I definitely think there's a strong undercurrent of sexual objectivity with regard to cheerleading that just doesn't exist in ballet. Maybe it's that that's getting Escapee's back up? I could see that too.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Why are they even called cheerleaders in this instance...they are neither cheering nor leading cheers.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 4:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Tish, when I was that age I was one of the few who needed a bra (and wasn't fat at that age,) but very different now. Heck, couple years ago the kids started to see a new dentist, I can't remember what exactly led to it, but we were discussing puberty happening earlier and earlier now and she told me besides the typical puberty type changes you expect to see in kids (like growing breasts) she was starting to see more kids at 9 and 10 who were getting their second set of molars already (usually happens around 12.) Her thought was the hormones in our foods as well.

Caleb certainly started puberty by about 10 and a half. Dakota has one friend that when I first met her I would have sworn she was at least 13 or 14 (and she's on the slim side) because of how developed she was except that the girls were in 4th grade at the time and she was 10.

The only good thing I've seen...when I was in 5th grade and needed to wear a bra (I totally skipped the training bra stage,) I was extremelly self concious for a couple years until the other girls started to catch up. Big shirts or sweaters during summer to hide what I had that the other girls didn't. Don't see much of that now, they're pretty comfortable with themselves and I think it's cuz well, they're not alone.