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Pippin04
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10-26-2007

Friday, January 15, 2010 - 9:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pippin04 a private message Print Post    
I invest in companies for a living so will be happy to look at anything and be able to tell you if it can be done.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Monday, January 18, 2010 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
Here's how I feel about planning a wedding- If there is an element that is very important to you, that you have your heart set on, like having a certain wedding dress or having a band or an elaborate cake then you can save up for that. When I got married, I said I didn't care where I got married but I wanted a traditional dress! I also got my tiara and veil from ebay brand new- plus little odds and ends like candles, sign in book, etc.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Question:
Does anyone else think that competition cheerleading (no, they don't "cheer" for an actual team) with 10 year old little girls on the team, slathered in MAC makeup, fake eyelashes and skirts cut right below their arses is oversexualizing little girls???

My niece is on a competition cheer squad. It's not a cheer squad for a sports team. Basically it's dancing and tumbling in cheerleader uniforms. She sent me a picture from the competition and my niece looked like a toddlers in tiara's reject. I said "She is way too pretty to have that much makeup on."
To which her mother replied that the light on stage were bright and if I'd attended I'd understand.

Um, what's to understand? 10 year olds shouldn't wear shorty skirts or have that much makeup on. It makes them look WAY too grown up, it's distracting from the actual dancing, and the only reason for it is to make them sexier, older looking, to appeal/flirt with the judges. I think I understand it just fine. But at the moment, I am peeved about it. I think that it's pedophile bait. She's 10. Let her be 10. YOu want her to be athletic and dance or tumble, put her in something that gets her the confidence without the sex appeal part of it.

Am I being a prude?

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Escapee, count me in your corner. I'd like to shake these mothers until their teeth chatter. It is a horrible thing to do to little children.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
My first thought was to put her in gymnastics if she wants the athletic appeal of it, but it seems now they are wearing just as much makeup. They look like clowns.

I thought gymnastics/ballet/etc. was about the dance and the art of it, not the "Look at my face" doesn't that distract from the routine.

Dfennessey
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07-25-2004

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfennessey a private message Print Post    
Escappe I agree with you too. Makeup should not be on little girls they are way too pretty for that.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I don't have kids, but if I did, I think I'd make sure my 10 year old daughter looked like a 10 year old. Pre-adolescents should never be tarted up to look like they are older than they are. I've caught that "Toddlers and Tiaras" show on random occasions, and I'm appalled at what these little girls go through. I'm sure it's fun for them, but when I see a little 10 year old bumping and grinding in her short little costume with more makeup than I ever wore when I modeled... Eesh!

I don't think I'm a prude by any means, but I guess if disagreeing with tarting your kid up puts me in the prude camp, I'm there and I'm proud! :-)

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
When it comes to kids, especially little kids, prude and proud is my camp too. Cousin is mad at me and said I don't understand. I know I shouldn't have voiced my opinion, but damn, it bugs the crap out of me. Not to mention how ridiculously expensive it is. This is the cousin/sis who had her house forclosed on but spends umpteen thousand dollars on traveling to competitions, MAC makeup (it has to be Mac, it's regulation)the uniforms are so expensive. Shoes all have to be a certain kind. It's silly to me. Plus, I asked if she could use this skill to get a scholarship or something for college. Cheer scholarships. Nope, not really. The odds are too great for that.

Now, if she was a gymnast or into ballet, that would be different. So why not work toward that? I don't get it. Remind me of this conversation when my daughter thinks she wants to do something like this. Slap me if I let her (you know, if hell starts freezing over).

Gymnastics, sure. Ballet, yep, no problem, but this is over the line.

I cheered for the youth league when I was in middle school. We were told if we wore makeup or if our skirts were too short at a competition we would be disqualified, because that wasn't what is was about.

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
My 7 (almost 8) year old niece has been cheering since she was 4. It's crazy how much her parents spend on that stuff. My mom calls it the money machine and says we should jut open a cheer academy with what spent on uniforms, accesories, dvds, trips, classes, etc..

Anyway, I love my niece but I hate that she has to wear make-up and act older than she is. I went to a meet once and learned two things: 1) Cheerleading music is only slightly quieter and less obnoxious than standing next to a jumbo jet, leaf blower, and a jackhammer; 2) The reason all the girls have those springy curls is because they're wearing "cheer hair", special hairpieces. I had wondered how long it took to get everyone's hair curled the same.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 12:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
My daughter has been on a cheer squad since she was 5 and I can tell you it is nothing like that! No makeup, fake lashes, fake hair! Not even the older comp squad. Some of them wear their normal teenage makeup they'd wear to school, but others wear none. They wear uniforms and a bow in their hair. Our cheer and tumbling class is $11 a week (only $7 if you just want to cheer), so very, very reasonably priced. I feel lucky now after hearing about what you've all seen! No, would not be happy at all to have DD dolled up like a beauty queen or a street walker.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
When I did ballet, we wore lipstick, lashes, eye shadow, etc. in performance, and the outfits are smaller than any cheer outfit could possibly be. I don't think anyone thought twice about it because it's conventional for the genre. Not clear to me how cheering, which sounds like just another form of dance, would be that much different.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
the dance recitals are very similar to that around here too Tishala. Very made up, very costumed, and very expensive. That's one of the things I like about cheerleading. Less primping and less cost. I have only had to buy one uniform for 3 years use! When she outgrew it, I traded in for a bigger size at no cost.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 1:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Heh, I have a picture hanging in the living room, Dakota's one and only tap dance recital, and even from across the room I can see the bright red lipstick she was wearing. She was all of about 3 or 4 at the time.

Dakota's bff has been doing cheer for a year or two now, does it through some school or other. During pee wee football season, they pair the cheer squads up with the football teams, then in the off season they practice and go to comps. During the football games, they actually wear sweatpants and t-shirts. For the comps they have skorts (come to just above the knees) and sneakers.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Cheer squads down here are serious business. Make-up that looks like kewpie-doll masks, expensive costumes and matching warm-ups and jackets. They travel all over the state for competitions and it's not the fun cheerleading that we used to do in school ... plus besides the cheer classes, they have to take the tumbling classes and then the insurance (cheer has more high school injuries than football) ... yikes ...

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 1:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
In ballet or gymnastics she would be in what some might consider skimpy clothing (leotard), and more than likely wearing makeup, especially in ballet. I don't see how that is different.
My daughter did musical theater starting at 5...definitely makeup and dancing around.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
See, that is the qualm I had too. Then my mom told me that the point of cheerleading was to lure 'people' to the game and then to keep the crowd excited.

I think all of these competitions would have the same effect without the makeup and skimpy outfits. Leotards I don't see as skimpy, really. I know they are tight, but they are to show the contortions and movement of the body as an art form. They are not to lure sexually. However, is this the same conversation that calls pornography and nude art the same thing? It's all about context.

Maybe the difference between bratz dolls and barbie.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 3:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I don't think the girls doing competitive cheerleading are doing it in an attempt to lure people to a game...there isn't a game at these competitions! LOL and by and large the audiences are their parents so not trying to show off their sexuality to them. they are doing it for the fun, exercise and competition of it. (and no, my daughter has never been in competitive cheerleading so i have no bias)
some colleges have all male cheer squads so I don't think all cheerleaders are there just to lure people. in fact in most schools/colleges they are there to help build up and maintain school spirit. i don't think it's fair to compare those types of cheerleaders to the ones in professional sports that are used to bring people in.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 3:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Wait: ballet isn't sexually alluring? Don't let Balanchine know.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 3:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I didn't say it wasn't, Tishala. I said is it considered art the same way nude paintings are? I don't know. I don't know if it's just a bad connotation I feel about it. I don't understand why it has to be that way. Why does it have to be so suggestive? Why do their skirts have to be sooooo short? Why do they have to wear such garish makeup?

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 3:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
the makeup is so that the people sitting way in the back can see they have a face. :-)

I remember being in dance recitals in the 70's and wearing heavy makeup. I'm not sure it's really changed all that much overall.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 3:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
are the skirts shorter than other type of cheerleader's skirts? I think the makeup is mostly for the lights/to be seen from stage and the glitter and stuff is just fun for the little ones. Our high school drill team have to all wear RED lipstick and major league blue eyeshadow. up close they look ridiculous, but from the field, they look just slightly made up. any type of stage makeup will always look over the top up close.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 3:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
LOL Tish or Baryshnikov. that man oozed sexuality.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I still think that much makeup on a little kid is ridiculous. Why is it important for the crowd to see their faces? Isn't it about the dancing/tumbling?

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Because if you're a mommy sitting 15 rows back, you want to see your baby smiling and having fun as they dance and tumble, lol.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
your telling me that if your little darling was performing on stage you would not want to see her face????


are you judging the makeup from the stage or up close?