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Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
But when Elin met Tiger, he had this oh-so-perfect press image. Not a whiff of scandal, right? So yeah, he's a rock star athlete, and some of 'em seem to have probs keeping things in their pants. But up to this point, he'd been able to keep a lid on things.

For Elin, she could totally go somewhere where she's out of the pap's ever present gaze.

For Tiger, he needs to address the press and his (maybe not so) adoring public and get it over with. Hiding for this long? Not so smart. Had he addressed the press, this would've been yesterday's news long ago.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 9:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I just watched Tiger Woods' statement. I have my own opinion of it, which is not necessarily positive. But... what do you all think? Discuss...

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
I didn't feel any emotions at all coming from him. It seemed so staged and I don't feel any better about him than I did before he took the stage.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 9:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
I actually viewed his statement very favorably, he seemed very sincere and contrite. Time is the only thing that will tell, though, he's right about that. Only his behavior is going to sway opinions at this point, not words.

I do believe in redemption, but if I were Elin I'd be long gone. He could redeem himself on someone else's watch.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
It's being discussed in News & Views as well

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
I believe in redemption too but I don't buy his act. Maybe I'm getting too cynical in my old age, I don't know.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I brought my post over from N&V:

I thought Tiger's statement was a yawn. I'm sorry to this person, these people, and everything that happened and will happen from now on, are private. IMO, then he should have just apologized in private. He didn't need to call a press conference. A simple written statement to the press to apologize to his fans would have sufficed.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
ITA Gal!!! I do believe in redemption, but if I were Elin I'd be long gone. He could redeem himself on someone else's watch.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 1:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I believed every word Tiger said. When he got tears in his eyes, so did I.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 4:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Well the experts at reading body language seem to feel he was totally sincere, if well coached.

And truthful when he said Elin had committed no domestic violence..

http://www.popeater.com/2010/02/19/tiger-woods-apology-body-language/

Since the public is feeling so offended, how can he apologize to them in private?

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 5:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
My problem was that it was too well rehearsed and felt too "I have to make amends". I've never done any 12 step programs nor do I know anyone who has, but if one of the steps is to make amends, I would think doing so would be more of a personal step in recovery, rather than reading a long-rehearsed speech in front of one camera and a handful of "friends".

I think he should have just released a public apology (in written form), apologized in person to those he needed to (including friends and biz associates), and gone back in to rehab. THEN he could do a public press conference and actually allow the press to be there.

Too little too late, methinks. Too rehearsed.

Serenity
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06-28-2005

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serenity a private message Print Post    
To me, I think today was all a big show to protect his image and sponsorship deals. Tiger kept saying he was sorry, but I keep getting the feeling he never would have gone to rehab if Elin hadn't caught him in the act. I still think he is sorry he got caught, but he provided a nicely worded message that he thinks people want to hear.

Serenity
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06-28-2005

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 5:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serenity a private message Print Post    
It appears from the body language article that I may be correct in my view:

From body language expert Vincent Harris: "The fact that Tiger was displaying non-verbal signs of shame only tells us he is humiliated by the disapproval of others, but not that he felt guilt about his actions before others knew about his behavior."

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 5:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I think Mr Woods did offer a written apology a couple weeks after this first broke. As for what he did in private with friends and business associates, we don't have any idea; they haven't spoken about it (and for that I am thankful).

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 5:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
For the people who were wondering who he hugged after his speech...



Tiger Woods delivered his remarks Friday before a handpicked audience that included family, close friends and members of the professional golf community.

Sitting in the front row: the athlete's mother Kultida, whom he hugged first after finishing his speech. On her right, Amy Reynolds, of Nike, cried through the speech. Kathy Battaglia, of Tiger Woods Enterprises, sat on the golfer's mother's left.

Also in the front row: Rob McNamara (in a cream-colored blazer), PGA commissioner Timothy Finchem (in a red tie) and his close friend, and fellow Stanford University grad, golfer Notah Begay III (far left).


Naja
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06-28-2003

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 5:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Did anybody else think Tiger was talking about viagra when he said he doesn't take performance enhancing drugs? I turned to DH and said I had never heard the rumors that he took viagra, and he laughed so hard he could barely compose himself to explain to me that Tiger meant he didn't take steroids. I didn't think it was far fetched for me to think he meant viagra since he is in this mess from being with so many women...LOL
Oh well, at least I gave DH a good laugh.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 6:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
The body language expert certainly may read shame, but it would be stepping beyond his ability to determine the source of that shame. They may be able to determine emotions, but it's quite a stretch for them to say they can read the mind of the person so well that they know the source of the emotions. That's just ridiculous.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 6:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Interesting that Nike was there. I kind of thought the sponsors would stay away, but I guess they deserved an apology in person.

Glenn
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07-05-2003

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 7:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Glenn a private message Print Post    
Was the lady from Nike representing Nike officially or was she there because she may have a personal relationship with Tiger and wanted to support him?

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 8:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I got the impression that it was both.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 9:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
Nike has never abandoned him in this. phil knight himself has spoken out in support of him for the long term. nike will benefit from thus cuz a year from now (as long as tiger dont screw up) he will be bak playing and winning in golf and making commercials and most of the general public will either have moved on, forgave or never cared about it in the first place.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 11:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
I believe Oregonguy is onto something.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, February 19, 2010 - 11:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Heck, someone on some talk show today mentioned that as a country we pretty much forgave Nixon, and he was in much worse hot water!

for all he did, he still got a 21 gun salute at his funeral.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 7:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I like what Jesus said, 'He who is without sin cast the first stone.'. The accusers all put down their stones and left. Fortunitely, most of all our sins are hidden and not made fodder for the media.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I actually find the general glee of much of "the public" when a celebrity screws up to be less palatable, in many cases, than the actual screw up.

I have to believe that there are people who do realize they need to change and then change and often pass along info or knowledge to or model change for, others.

Many substance abuse counselors walked in the shoes ahead of those they counsel and some of those people actually get their lives back.

I certainly know more than a few recovering (they don't say recovered) alcoholics who have decades of sobriety and I've seen them take crisis calls and talk people down and pass along the knowledge that it can be done. And that at least some people will forgive the past and help celebrate the change/recovery.

Who knows yet with Tiger, but he DOES have children who look up to him because of the Tiger Woods Academy, so if just for them, I hope he can turn things around.