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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:28 am
Jimmer I missed the show too. I'm very thankful for all the info and links here about it.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:31 am
yes, jimmer, she just walked off rather stunned.
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Imbewitched
Member
03-08-2002
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:34 am
The music started which meant that "her" time was up. So she just walked off.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:35 am
I've read that Beyoncé graciously asked Taylor to come on stage to give her speech. Is there a link to that moment?
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:36 am
Taylor on the View said (when they asked) that she had heard not a word of apology or anything else from him) She said people backstage really helped her get it together and that she had to quickly be able to go out and perform on stage and she did. She was the first country singer on the VMAs.. Lots of apologies... and I feel Serena Williams is sincere.. but she also is facing review and could suffer more repercussions from the WTA.. she got the maximum fine of $10,000 but could be suspended. So apologies are certainly a good idea (I do think once she reviewed what she said, that would have happened anyway). Kathy, well good that she clarified but of course she gets even more publicity too since the whole thing wasn't about her (lol.. but she made it about her not about the people involved). I think celebs (and us non-celebs) have to remember that Twitter leaves that record out there and that just because the tweets may roll by and off the screen (not literally but when you refresh) people still copy and quote them..
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:36 am
Well then I fault the show producers as well for allowing an interloper to use up her time and not giving her more time to speak. Even more disgusting. Of course, she may not have been up to speaking at that point anyway.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:38 am
Kathy made it about her by sending a tweet? That has to be the silliest thing I ever heard, Seamonkey.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:42 am
I think everyone was just as stunned, and the band just did what it was supposed to do. Beyonce did invite her out when she won her award. Taylor gave her whole speech.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:49 am
I'm amazed so many misunderstood Kathy's tweet. When I posted it, I LOL'd and said lots of new material for Kathy. Oh well.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:53 am
Re Kanye, to think that only a couple of months ago he declared himself the new 'King of Pop' following MJ's death. Gollee, was he ever wrong!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 1:01 pm
Oh well I've been called worse than silly.. but yes, her tweet was about her act.. and that could have been oh good, I get to pile on Kanye, or I get to pile on Taylor, but mostly, instead of just saying this isn't acceptable, she's saying yay I get material. Clearly the fact that she had to clarify it meant that SOME people didn't interpret it the way she says she meant it.. all those other silly people and it sure wasn't me.. I don't follow her and wouldn't have commented anyway. And it may be amazing, but that is of course the difficultly with "joke" type remarks, they are often misinterpreted, especially with the short format of Tweets, no facial expression, no audio. And of course it is good that she DID clarify. The thing is that there were just as many bashes of Taylor in the comments section of that site with the Tweets as there were bashes of Kanye, so sentiment was divided (which amazed me to read). I would think that Taylor may not have been THAT quick to pull herself back together.. she said it was "live five minutes" before she had to perform. And Kanye, after the publicity from The View, reportedly HAS apologized directly to her. That seems to have happened while I was in the shower and before I came online downstairs just now. Anyway, a link to the article about Taylor's comment on The View and Kanye's call to apologize personally. LINK
quote:"He has not personally reached out or anything," she said at the time. But that has changed. After the show, West called to speak to Swift directly and apologized, Usmagazine.com reports. And the 'You Belong With Me' star accepted. "Kanye did call me. He was very sincere in his apology, and I accepted that apology," Swift told ABC News Radio. Asked if in the future, everything would be fine between the two, she replied, "Yeah, definitely." As for the rest of 'The View,' when asked what was going through her mind during the VMAs, the country singer gave an amusing picture. "Well umm I think my overall thought process went something like: 'Wow, I can't believe I won. This is awesome. Don't trip and fall. I'm going to get to thank the fans, this is so cool. Oh! Kanye West is here. Cool haircut ... what are you doing there? And then, ouch, and then I guess I'm not going to get to thank the fans.'" "I'm not going to say that I wasn't rattled by it, I had to perform live five minutes later. So I had to get myself back to the place where I could perform," Swift explained. "Hopefully, if Kanye is watching, he'll know what to do," Whoopi Goldberg added. Apparently, he was and he did.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 1:23 pm
I follow a few celebrities tweets and Taylor is always sweet, funny, kind and very mature. I wouldn't wish this sort of thing on anyone but it is a shame that it happened to her.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 1:41 pm
How very sad. ABC leaked an off the record comment of the President calling Mr West a "jackass" and now TMZ has the audio of it. smh I guess there really IS no such thing as journalistic integrity.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 1:57 pm
Why can't it just blow over? They've all apologized. The president probably said it when it first all came out, and this is going to be dragggggged along.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 1:57 pm
President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate 15 mins ago NEW YORK – President Barack Obama's candid thoughts about Kanye West are provoking a debate over standards of journalism in the Twitter age. ABC News says it was wrong for its employees to tweet that Obama had called West a "jackass" for the rapper's treatment of country singer Taylor Swift. The network said some of its employees had overheard a conversation between the president and CNBC's John Harwood and didn't realize it was considered off the record. The network apologized to the White House and CNBC. Harwood had sat down with the president to tape an interview following his appearance on Wall Street on Monday. Although they are competitors, CNBC and ABC share a fiber optic line to save money, and this enabled some ABC employees to listen in on the interview as it was being taped for later use. Their attention was drawn to chatter about West, who was widely criticized for interrupting Swift as she accepted an award at Sunday's MTV Video Music Awards to say that Beyonce deserved it. E-mails shot around among ABC employees about Obama's comments, said Jeffrey Schneider, ABC News spokesman. Before anything was reported on ABC's air or Web site, at least three network employees took to Twitter to spread the news. One was Terry Moran, a former White House correspondent. He logged on to Twitter and typed: "Pres. Obama just called Kanye West a 'jackass' for his outburst at VMAs when Taylor Swift won. Now THAT'S presidential." When ABC News authorities found out about it, they had the tweets deleted after about an hour, Schneider said. Moran declined a request to comment. But the news was out. Harwood said there was no explicit agreement with the president that those comments were off the record. But he said it is broadcast tradition that such pre-interview chatter is considered off the record until the formal interview begins. Harwood is holding to that: He would not discuss what the president said before their interview and has no plans to do so on CNBC. He said he was aware that it was likely someone outside of CNBC was listening to his conversation with the president. "It's one of those things that's unfortunate," he said. "But I think it's an honest mistake." There was no immediate response to requests for comment from White House spokesmen. Twitter, a technology that's a natural tool for reporters who love to tell people what they know whenever they know it, has raced ahead in usage before many news organizations have developed policies to govern its use, said Richard Wald, a former ABC News executive and professor at Columbia University. "You need to reinforce the sense that you have to verify before you publish," Wald said. "The policies may be very comprehensive, but they may not be adequate to the technology that news organizations have." The incident is reminiscent of past "open-mic" incidents involving politicians. President Ronald Reagan, while waiting to make a speech in 1984, joked that he had outlawed the Soviet Union and that "the bombing begins in five minutes." During the 2000 presidential campaign, George W. Bush turned to running mate Dick Cheney to point out a reporter from The New York Times and used an obscenity to describe him. "If you're sitting there with a microphone on, you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy," said Kelly McBride, an expert in journalism ethics for the Poynter Institute. "If you're a governor or president, you know that." She also questioned whether news organizations should be agreeing to go off the record with the president. Judging by the things written by other Twitter users since West's action, Obama wasn't in the minority, she said. "The president calling Kanye West a 'jackass' is perfect information for a tweet," she said. "In fact, that's the ideal format. You can do it in 140 characters. There's not much else to say." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_en_tv/us_ tv_obama_tweet
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 2:05 pm
I do think that they have to be a lot more careful about off the record. Obviously, the President has to be careful of what he says every second of the day and news organizations should be watchful of what employees are allowed to put out there. However, I really don't much care if he called him a jackass. It doesn't change my opinion of either Obama or Kanye. Not a big deal to me.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 2:13 pm
Does the phrase 'Tempest In A Teapot' resonate with anyone?
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 2:24 pm
I agree with Jimmer, but i have absolutely no doubt if the previous occupant of the White House had been caught saying this off record, people would not be blaming the press.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 2:39 pm
HAHAHA the one time I agree with Obama. Holy smoke, if Bush had said the out loud it would be a different ball of wax.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 3:49 pm
I'd guess Terry Moran is in a little trouble. I watch enough of the news magazine shows. Some (most?) of the "reporters" don't impress me a whole lot.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 3:53 pm
I thought Bush was once caught doing virtually the same thing into a mike he thought was off?
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 3:56 pm
Bush called someone an A at a campaign rally. He was talking to Cheney at the time. I don't find it "very sad" at all. What's good for the goose and all that. It is what it is. Obama called West that, and it was caught on tape. I would imagine he knows that could happen at any time. Frankly, makes me like him a little bit more.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 4:03 pm
Well, I don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but the comment to the former VP happened at a campaign rally, not in per-interview off the record conversations with a reporter.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 4:35 pm
LOL Escapee. On TMZ they said a poll said 92% of people agreed with the President. And it was his highest approval in months.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 4:39 pm
I imagine the employees who tweeted that sentiment thought it was pretty cool, not realizing it was off the record. I wonder if younger journalist.. or actually media types can get their minds around the meaning off off the record any more? I saw this late last night in a Tweet by Dr Drew Pinsky, which may have been directed to his wife, but went out to his followers, but didn't see anything in the online news at that point. And yeah, not a big deal to me.. presidents have the same thoughts we do and of course have to be careful, but they are human. Off the Record has is a time honored tradition, but I suspect in today's media there is less tradition and less honor, so if you put it out there, it is likely to be repeated at some point. Interesting about competing news sources sharing a line.. here in So Cal our paper the Orange County Register is banding together with the LA Times to share delivery people, but it seems that the LA Times delivery people will keep the jobs.. made me wonder if they might be tempted to "lose" a few Registers (the papers are politically somewhat different, the Register being of a Libertarian slant). Economic times makd for strange bedfellows, so to speak.
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