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Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
I, too, was shocked to hear about Michael Jackson. I grew up with him, and I remember my dad asking me why I had those "colored kids" on my bedroom wall. (Tiger Beat pics, dontcha know...lol) Interspersed with the Osmond Brothers. Anyway, had to run some errands, and found a station that was tributing (is that a word? if not, it is now) MJ, and a caller asked for "We Are the World", and talked about how MJ was instrumental in that video being made. The DJ's, seriously I can't make this up, said, 'oh, I'd forgotten about "We Are the World"'. Am I just too old? Or are the DJ's idiots (my first thought)? Up until 10 years ago I still had my USA for Africa sweatshirt! It was a major accomplishment to gather all of the players in not only the music industry but film, also.
I still have my 45 of "Man in the Mirror", too.
Whatever issues Michael Jackson had in the last 10 years or so, it does not negate his musical genius.
Michael, you'll be missed.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Our local radio station was interviewing someone from Access Hollywood (not sure if it was a host, producer, etc.). He was saying that he was at the courthouse during one of Jacksons trials and was using the restroom during a break. He was standing at the urinal when a voice behind him asked him to please leave because Michael Jackson needed the washroom. He told him (bodyguard I assume) he can't stop midstream but will be done in a moment. He is thinking no big deal, if I was Michael Jackson in the middle of this type of trial I probably would want privacy in the loo as well. He finishes up, turns to wash his hands and Jackson was standing there. Asked him how he doing... not really important two second small talk and then he leaves the washroom. Outside the washroom was a line of men waiting to go in and being held back by the bodyguard. The first person in the line was Michael's father. The Access Hollywood guy was saying that after all the years of covering stories involving the Jackson family, that that moment summed up the relationship between father/son more than anything else he could say.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
It's very sad how things turned out for Michael. I have no idea whether or not the negative allegations against him were accurate but I am convinced for some reason that in his own mind he was innocent and never meant any harm.

He was a great talent and a very handsome young man. He seemed to really go down hill physically after that disastrous Pepsi commercial with the explosion and fire. I'm so sorry how things turned out for him.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Well, I do know that he had severe skin problems as a teen and his brothers made a lot of fun of his wide nose and soft voice. I imagine his dad did as well. His mother seems to me a very meek woman. Looking back, they were jealous of him, but it did a lot of damage, especially since he probably had no one in his corner or on his side.
Hadn't he already had some surgeries prior to the Pepsi incident? It does seem that it was exacerbated after that. He was very handsome in his Thriller/Beat It/Bad/Billie Jean days.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
What about the children? If Michael was treated so badly as a child then you wouldn't want the children to have to repeat that if the grandparents had them. Someone on CNN said Michael wanted the nanny to be their guardian. I remember there was some talk about him marrying her at one time...I wish he had so there would be clear guardianship. As always when there are children involved our hearts get involved!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I read that there will be specials on BET I think tonight or today on one show and tribute at the BET awards, I think this weekend?? For Michael.

I read something on PopEater (yeah, well..) about the custody of the children. Apparently, Michael had said (but did he document, make official) that he'd wand his children to stay with Grace, who had been in his employ for 20 years and was close to the children.

Also was speculated that his mother adored the kids and would want to take them, but Michael had preferred Grace..

And of course Debbie Rowe is the bio mom of the two older kids and has said that Michael was NOT the bio-dad.. that can be proven and if she's right she might have standing if she claims the two older children.

Would hate to see the three split up.

I would certainly hope he had paperwork in place to support the children, specify custody and so on.

Mimi
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04-30-2009

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mimi a private message Print Post    
Well put Escapee (at 8:01). The things parents and siblings and others say to us in our youth can stay with us forever and shape the way we turn out. Just so tragic.

I am going to date myself but I remember seeing MJ and the Jackson 5 when I was in elementary school. Watched the cartoon as well. My friend had a major crush on MJ and like Bluejax we all bought Tiger Beat magazine. I'll have to head over to my mother's and see if I can find any stored in the basement.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I don't think it was out of line at all, Barbara's questions.. you know, when you lose a loved one, you want to talk about those things, sometimes and so often no one will really TALK about the person who passed on, just dance around with platitudes.

Of COURSE if the person doesn't want to discuss any aspect, then they must be treated with respect and kindness, but Ryan had come to Barbara to DO an intimate interview and Farrah had been extremely open with her journey and had herself put out those moments into the ether, like when Redmond visited her earlier, in her own documentary.

I only heard Barbara asking the doctor what Farrah's last words had been, to the doctor.

Setting up an interview like this one is quite different than paparazzi sticking mics in your face or cirling in cars or helicopters, demanding sound bytes.

But even early in the day, when Ryan was leaving the hospital in one car, Alana in another, he had his window down in his car and spoke with the reporters there, who were not aware of her passing and when he was asked "how's she doing?" He quietly said "she's gone" and they reacted and he drove off.. Alana also put her window down but then when they tried to ask questions, she said her friend was gone, to respect that (something along that line). She sounded more sad than angry, but of course didn't have to put the window down, and she drove off. Those reporters were pretty respectful.

Anyway, I do agree that BW can ask odd questions but I think she and Ryan were already in sync on this interview.

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 10:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
MTV just showed the music video for Ryan White that MJ wrote, "Gone Too Soon".
Video
I hope it's played at his own memorial service...it's just beautiful.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Oh from last night on TV.. a few fun images..

Larry King going to an MJ concert up in the nosebleed section, could see but could hear.

Cher, dancing on the Queen Mary with Michael .. she had been on the show with the Jacksons and felt like she couldn't learn the steps as fast as Michael or his brothers but Michael encouraged her.

Anderson Cooper, very young, at a party at Studio 54 (says with a wry smile, what he was doing there is another story) and not knowing MJ but seeing him dance and thinking WOW.

Celine Dion talking about meeting Michael and being so excited and then when she was in Vegas he came to a show and came backstage to her dressing room and had a gazillion questions about performing in Vegas.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
I don't like the reporters or VJ on MTV but did like to watch some of the videos, I grew up with Thriller, etc but my favorite will always be when Michael sang with the Jackson 5- what a great voice he had!

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 11:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
The old Soul Train videos of him (or of The Jackson 5) on YouTube are awesome. Like this one:
He was 14 here, singing With A Child's Heart

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 11:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
BW asked the doctor who was at Farrah's bedside when she died.

Doctor: Ryan, who was talking to her, loving her, and reliving with her so many great experiences of life.

BW: Up until her moment of death?

Doctor: He did, right up until the very moment. Her friend Alana Stewart, who was of course, helpful to her throughout this time. (?) Murphy, her friend, and myself.

BW: Ryan was talking with Farrah. What was he saying?

Sorry, in my opinion, it was an inappropriate question. Tacky, unfeeling, and nosy. We did not need to know things that should have been private between Ryan and Farrah.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 11:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Entertainment Tonight has a blurb about Liza talking about MJ. She says, somewhat ominously, that we need to celebrate him now and all the joy he brought. "All of us who knew him well really know what he was like," she said. "And I'm sure that now the accolades are going, and I'm sure when the autopsy comes, all hell's going to break loose. So, thank God we're celebrating him now."

That really makes me sad.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Tish, I think MJ's (ex?) attorney said basically the same thing. Commented about the enablers in his life. How sad that so many people seemed to know what was going on, yet they apparently couldn't override those who enabled.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
Pure speculation.. but I was reading he was building his body for his upcoming tour. What if he was using steroids? Wouldn't that affect the heart?

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Lisa Presley has a nice write up on her blog.

My favorite MJ song was the one from Free Willy, Will you be there.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Yes, Twiggy it would. But I think it more likely that prescription drugs were the cause. Some reports (unconfirmed by the major news networks) have come out that the doc was there because he had just given him a shot of demerol.

MJ had issues with prescription pain killers since the Pepsi commercial where he was badly burned.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 12:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Yes, and they cannot find the doc. I posted the article in N&V under the Life of Michael Jackson.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 12:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Lisa Marie posted this on myspace (it's long)

Friday, June 26, 2009
He Knew.

Years ago Michael and I were having a deep conversation about life in general.

I can't recall the exact subject matter but he may have been questioning me about the circumstances of my Fathers Death.

At some point he paused, he stared at me very intensely and he stated with an almost calm certainty, "I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did."

I promptly tried to deter him from the idea, at which point he just shrugged his shoulders and nodded almost matter of fact as if to let me know, he knew what he knew and that was kind of that.

14 years later I am sitting here watching on the news an ambulance leaves the driveway of his home, the big gates, the crowds outside the gates, the coverage, the crowds outside the hospital, the Cause of death and what may have led up to it and the memory of this conversation hit me, as did the unstoppable tears.

A predicted ending by him, by loved ones and by me, but what I didn't predict was how much it was going to hurt when it finally happened.

The person I failed to help is being transferred right now to the LA County Coroners office for his Autopsy.

All of my indifference and detachment that I worked so hard to achieve over the years has just gone into the bowels of hell and right now I am gutted.

I am going to say now what I have never said before because I want the truth out there for once.

Our relationship was not "a sham" as is being reported in the press. It was an unusual relationship yes, where two unusual people who did not live or know a "Normal life" found a connection, perhaps with some suspect timing on his part. Nonetheless, I do believe he loved me as much as he could love anyone and I loved him very much.

I wanted to "save him" I wanted to save him from the inevitable which is what has just happened.

His family and his loved ones also wanted to save him from this as well but didn't know how and this was 14 years ago. We all worried that this would be the outcome then.

At that time, In trying to save him, I almost lost myself.

He was an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated.

When he used it for something good, It was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad.

Mediocrity was not a concept that would even for a second enter Michael Jackson's being or actions.

I became very ill and emotionally/ spiritually exhausted in my quest to save him from certain self-destructive behavior and from the awful vampires and leeches he would always manage to magnetize around him.

I was in over my head while trying.

I had my children to care for, I had to make a decision.

The hardest decision I have ever had to make, which was to walk away and let his fate have him, even though I desperately loved him and tried to stop or reverse it somehow.

After the Divorce, I spent a few years obsessing about him and what I could have done different, in regret.

Then I spent some angry years at the whole situation.

At some point, I truly became Indifferent, until now.

As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.

Any ill experience or words I have felt towards him in the past has just died inside of me along with him.

He was an amazing person and I am lucky to have gotten as close to him as I did and to have had the many experiences and years that we had together.

I desperately hope that he can be relieved from his pain, pressure and turmoil now.

He deserves to be free from all of that and I hope he is in a better place or will be.

I also hope that anyone else who feels they have failed to help him can be set free because he hopefully finally is.

The World is in shock but somehow he knew exactly how his fate would be played out some day more than anyone else knew, and he was right.

I really needed to say this right now, thanks for listening.

~LMP

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 12:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
CNN reported in the last hour that the doctor has been in contact with police and is being interviewed. It is also his car that was impounded at MJ's house.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Has Madonna released anything?

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 1:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Yes, Escapee...she said she can't stop crying, that she feels so bad for his children, that he was incomparable.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Tish...thank you for bringing Lisa's statement over.
Lump in throat, here.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, June 26, 2009 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Powerful statement from Lisa Marie. She's going to take a long time to get over this.