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Maris
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03-28-2002

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 2:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I agree Seamonkey, I would also add to the fact that the Travolta's attorneys came out very quickly, with statements about the family's grief, sent an album of photos to show they were a loving family. It seems like the attorneys were on a scientology type media blitz.

I dont think there is any question that the family is grief stricken but it seems to me like they anticipated questions being raised about scientology and got the pr machine running. just my impression.

When Anna Nicole's son died of an overdose in her hospital room people werent screaming about her privacy because she was a tabloid's dream and everyone speculated about where he got the drugs, did he get them from her, etc. John Travolta is revered so therefore it is unseemly to offer up questions regarding the sons illness and their connection to scientology.

The autopsy results came out pretty quickly - no waiting for toxicology results and a simple determination, seizure. Nobody will ever know if scientology played a role in his early death.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 3:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
That was discussed on Larry King, that the results were WAY too quick to come up with a cause of death. The expert there said that of course, just because Jett was quickly cremated didn't mean that they hadn't DONE the tests that should be done and that there wouldn't be results later, but that it was quite premature to have an announcement this quickly. The answer from the Bahamas was that the coroner there was educated in the US and top of her class.. the expert on Larry King said that wasn't the point.

I guess just a bit of protesting too much makes people ask more questions.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 6:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Was he cremated already? Is that customary with Scientology? If he were my child, I would want answers and would possibly want an autopsy. Even if just to help one other kid somehow. Just to find some kind of silver lining somehow.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 6:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I saw on a show this morning that it is customary to cremate the remains of Scientology members. It is also supposed to be a celebration of sorts because they believe we come back in another's body (or something like that).

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 6:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I'm sure the docs already have tissue samples an performed an autopsy before cremation, if he has already been cremated. They can run tests anytime.

Also I think it depends on how high profile you are on how fast you get test results back. They just got results back from Dr Dre's son an he died awhile ago. Heroin an something with an m, moriphene maybe?

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 7:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
Mocha, it was morphine.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 7:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Thx Mamie!!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 7:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
the autopsy has been done. I am not a member of scientology and want to be creamated. i don't think anything should be made of that.
as far as the concept of the public learning something if we are privvy to the personal details of this family's life and the child's death, isn't it really to assure us that it won't happen to us? like when a drug overdose happens. we want details so we can wrap our brains around it; not for any greater good.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
That's EXACTLY why people want to know. So they can reassure themselves that nothing like that could ever happen to them.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 7:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Reminds me of a sad situation that happened about 2 years ago in my sister's neighborhood. A mom had put her 2 year old in the bathtub as that kid was sick and just had bad poop, so she put her child in the tub. Then apparently she ran downstairs to throw the bad poopy pull-up out in the garage. When she came back the child had drown. Now I never did find out the exact details, but I know she was majorly condemned by her neighbors (just about all but my sister)--at least BEHIND this lady's back.

There was an outcry of how could you leave your 2 year old unattended, etc (and I am not for one single second suggesting that it is okay to leave a 2 year old unattended in a bathtub). But I think everyone got so up in arms about it because they just wanted to place blame on something specific because otherwise it was just random and could happen to them.

Hope that all makes sense. But I think a lot of the questioning of this Travolta situation is similar. Some people want to find something specific to blame, so they can say, well we NEVER do that, therefor our child would never die like that... (again hope I make sense...)

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 8:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
That's EXACTLY why people want to know. So they can reassure themselves that nothing like that could ever happen to them.

but does that really give us the right to know?

i think that's why SIDS is so frightening and threatening...there is no answer.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 8:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I am totally not trying to be adverarial, it just boggles my mind that it is any business of anyone else's other than who THEY choose to discuss this with.

Can any of you say that you'd be willing to write a letter to John Travolta, his wife, his agent, his lawyer, the coroner etc...and ask them to provide you with the details of how he died and to name what sorts of treatments they provided him over the years (being Scientologists and all) and what his REAL diagnosis was? And you'd have to tell them that you're interested just so you can reassure yourself that nothing like that could ever happen to you?

Imagine how difficult it would be to word your letter in a way as to not anger them, upset them, or come across as a nosy person! Basically though, that's what's being asked of them. People want them to disclose specific details of their child's death as if not knowing how it happened puts your own children at risk!

Maybe I'm not making myself very clear...but I am just absolutely floored that this child's death must become a learning experience. It is so sad!

Sugar
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08-15-2000

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sugar a private message Print Post    
Agreed. Nobody's business. Let them mourn and grieve in their own way and time.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 9:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
i completely agree with you Huk'd!

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I think some people are just nosey an want to know each tidbit an take the gossip thats out there as fact. An this is on other stuff not just about this issue.

Dfennessey
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07-25-2004

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfennessey a private message Print Post    
Maybe they wanted to try to keep their childrens lives out of the public spotlight. Maybe they wanted to try and give their children a normal childhood. I can toltaly respect them. So what if he was autistic that does not make them bad parents.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
While I agree that it is their own business (provided a crime was not committed and there is no indication of that) at the same time I don't think it is necessarily wrong for people to want to understand what happened. Of course, they have the right not to divulge any information if they prefer not to share it.

There are many reasons people might want to know more. Some people want to know simply because they enjoy gossip. Other people have watched John Travolta throughout the years and while they don't know him personally they feel a connection to him and care about him and his family for that reason. Other people are facing similar issues with their kids.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Maybe so, Jimmer, but every answer we find on the internet or hear on the news, causes people to ask why they did or didn't do something else. Or why they are trying to hide something, or to criticize the way of the Scientologists.

I can't understand Jehovah's Witnesses stance on not taking blood products even if it was the only thing that would save their life...but it's their business and their beliefs. I feel the same way about Scientology. I don't get it, but if they're happy with it's teachings, so be it.

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 9:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
I have to agree that the Travolta family's loss is nobody's business. It's obvious the kid was born with some developmental problems, and that he was very well cared for and loved.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I added more to my previous post before I saw your post, Hukdon. As I mentioned, I think there are different reasons that people want to know.

I'm not referring to anything posted on the board here but I agree that there is somewhat unfair criticism and derision of some Scientology beliefs when some of the same people doing the critiquing don't have a great factual foundation for their own beliefs.

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
Well, I don't have any beliefs that don't include a factual foundation, and I think Scientology is nothing more than a money making scheme that preys upon people in spiritual and psychological need.

Ed: My feelings about Scientology do not outweigh my sense of the right to privacy for this family.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
It seems in this case scientology helped his condition instead of hindering it.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
heck, i am nosey and have certainly listened to the news stories. i get that! it's just there seems to be an attitude by some that they are ENTITLED to the info and are rather angry that the Travolta's aren't providing it or are casting judgement against them for not.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 10:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
What if this had happened to a regular non-famous family? Would there have been so many questions regarding the child's death? Would it have mattered if they cremated their child immediately?
It's just a tragedy no matter how you think about it.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
If this happened to a non-famous family, I'm sure social services would have been all over it, making sure there wasn't abuse, etc. I'm quite certain an autopsy would have been mandated.

I don't think anyone here thinks the Travolta's owe us an explanation. But as public figures with a son who had obvious problems, they are open to speculation. If you are not willing to share the full story then the speculation will continue. This is the gossip thread after all!

And yes, those of us with kids want to be able to reassure ourselves that our kids are not at risk. That's just human nature. We are horrified at the loss of a child. Knowing that Jett was on anti-seizure medicine for a while and that those meds stopped working makes me very sad that some seizures still are not able to be medically controlled. I feel very bad for the family.