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Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 1:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
ITA Karen. I most definitely wasn't AT ALL trying to justify his actions. I'm just saying if a woman is going crazy on you, a bite might have been a way to get her to recoil. The subsequent sh--kicking was absolutely uncalled for. But the reason I wrote the above post, is that people seem to think biting is just so random, like, as if someone completely uninvolved in an altercation just lunges forward and chomps. I just don't think it happened that way.

I also don't want to imply that she instigated it, or got what she had coming to her. I just wanted to say that I can understand how a bite can happen in a wrestling situation.

It's interesting how you mention the reverse assault charges. Woman-on-man violence is much more prevalent than official police statistics show. Many couples questionnaires have both sides answering that there is more verbal and physical violence from women than men. Men often refuse to hit back, let alone report BEING hit or verbally assaulted by a woman. A recent study of prime time television saw something like 4 or 5 times the number of violent acts by women upon men, than the reverse, and many of those violent or verbally abusive acts are considered the source of comedy. I'm not writing this to relate it to the Rhianna/Chris Brown situation. I just thought it was an interesting group of facts. (Note to all: I definitely am not trying to solicit a big debate on spousal abuse, nor am I saying men are justified)

As for why Chris Brown isn't "talking" to defend himself even IF Rihanna was fighting with him in the car, I think first, his lawyers have told him to <100> and lay low, and second, what good would talking about Rihanna's part do? No matter how much part Rihanna had in the start of the fight, it would never justify HIS overreaction, and therefore, why bother. People would just be like, "Oh what a dirtbag! Trying to lay blame on Rihanna!" So of course he's not talking. Not to mention, many men who have these anger management issues often feel immense guilt after the impulsive behavior, and takes full responsibility for his actions. Many wife-beaters fully agree they were wrong, were a jerk, etc., but then re-offend because they lack control over their impulsivity and anger.

I read somewhere (gossip site) that they were fighting loudly at the pre-grammy party, apparently about other women. If that continued in the car, and she was yelling at him, it is very possible she attacked him out of her own anger. Again, I still don't think it's an excuse for HIS actions, but just throwing it out there.

These two people are both still kids. 19 and 20. Sure they live an adult life, but there are many many sources out there that say that a person is still morally and intellectually developing well into their late 20s.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 5:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
he hasnt even been charged yet so I think these sponsers dropping him so quickly is uncalled for.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 6:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
from what I've read Wrigley hasn't dropped him... they've merely suspended his work until this is all cleared up.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 6:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Right, Ladytex; that's what I heard, too. Seems like a wise compromise on their part.. let the public know that they are concerned and then wait to see what develops.

Pamy, I think they cannot afford to refrain from SOME comment/action, especially "family" brands like Kellogs and milk.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 6:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I don't care if they are young. 20, 30, 40, whatever, the behavior is wrong and criminal. I don't think age should ever be an excuse. (Like when I was 20, I knew that biting a person was unacceptable. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure I knew that at 10.) And there are probably a whole lot of younger people who think Chris Brown is cool, so I do hope the ramifications of his actions are widely publicized.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 7:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I saw an older interview with him all hearts and flowers, but his close acquaitences/friends say he has a volatile temper. I was not impressed with him in any way. I swear I could sense something underneath that screamed of hidden dark depths. It was said his father abused his mother...and so it goes on, father to son. Not a very unusual scenerio.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 9:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Sorry, age is totally a factor. There are TONS of stupid things teens do, that they would say they "know" is wrong, but still do. And once they are older, they look back and think about how stupid they were.

As for the father thing, he had said his father abused his mother, and he held a lot of rage inside, and even fantasized about killing his stepfather. His stepfather tried to commit suicide by shooting himself in the head, only he was unsuccessful. The kid is only 19, and has a world of baggage. Not to mention you are combining the anger of his baggage, with the selfishness of being a teenager, and the let-celebrities-have-whatever-they-want ways of Hollywood, and it's understandable that this guy has some serious coping issues when he doesn't get his way. He was brought up with violence. I feel bad for him, knowing the life he has lived as a kid. Again, it doesn't excuse it, but until we've walked a mile in those shoes, we can't know how hard it is to break an abuse cycle like that. I am sure many whose parents were alcoholics can also attest to how hard it is to break THAT pattern.

If anything, I realllllllllly hope this kid gets real anger management counseling, to work through his latent rage, and hopefully becomes a better person. I am sorry this happened to Rihanna, and I do think he should be held accountable for sure. But I don't think people should automatically condemning the whole person either. But I guess I just want to believe in the rehabilitation portion of the system, rather than just throwing this kid away for life.

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
I'm ashamed to say this....but when my step daughter was 15 she bit someone. And yes, she knew it was wrong.

Mizinvanccouver
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02-22-2003

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mizinvanccouver a private message Print Post    
Eeyoreslament...In all sincerity, I think you missed your calling, you should have become a lawyer, you'd be FANTASTIC.

I too hope he gets help with his anger management however as I said earlier, I'm glad those company's aren't going to be using him in their ads. It sends a loud and clear message that his participation is unacceptable.

I'm sure if he cleans up his act he will be picked up by other company's down the road and it won't be the last we see of him.

Other actors/actresses have done bad things and it's tarnished them for a time and then they came back again.

He needs to learn from this experience and if there are no repercussions to his actions he will not try to help himself with his anger management and will likely re-offend.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
FWIW, Mr Brown HAS been charged. With a felony. And there may or may not be other charges.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 2:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Do you have a personal opinion on this yet, Tish? I'd be interested in hearing it.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 2:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I'd just repeat what others have said: that both apparently had volatile tempers and were probably not good for each other. I'm pretty sure they egged each other on in unhealthy ways--celebrity combined with beauty, money, and power has to be a combustible combination.

Yesterday, my students were talking about this before class started and, of course, I joined in. Without getting into the particulars of it, I'll just say that it was amazing to me how some students (and it was gender-based) tried to create justifications for Mr Brown's alleged behavior. Let's say mine was not a sympathetic ear.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 2:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Thanks Miz. I take that as a total compliment. I think I'd be a decent lawyer, if only I had cared about marks through university, and if only I had taken a few more critical argument/logic/philosophy courses. I have this weird personality trait where I just look at facts, and often disconnect myself from judgement. Mind you, I'm sure there are times where I am totally judgemental too, so who knows.


You know, in thinking further about this, I think the ideal situation is that Brown goes to jail for this, engages in serious counseling for his own personal issues, and can then turn this around into a positive, and possibly be a mentor or motivational speaker for victims or witnesses to domestic violence, and possible inspire teens who have witnessed family violence to get the counseling they need. Encourage teens to be proactive about the baggage you carry, see a counselor, and work through the issues, so they CAN break the cycle, and can AVOID the path that Chris Brown took.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 2:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Tish. I've seen some justifications that I'm not comfortable with also, but I just didn't feel like getting into it.

I agree that they were probably not good for each other if both had volatile tempers.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I still can't get over the biting. Besides Mike Tyson, who does that anyway in a fight? I bet it was really painful if he left bite marks on her. Ouch!

IMO, biting is something animals do, not civilized people, and no amount of "baggage" justifies or explains sinking your teeth into someone's flesh. It's barbaric.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
I've been known to do a little biting myself but in a totally different context and the men didn't mind a bit. hehehe Oh, and I didn't leave any marks....or at least not bad. LOL

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    


Holly
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Twinkie...you devil, you! lol

Seriously though, I was sitting at a bonfire on a beach with a bunch of people--most of whom I didn't know--and this really weird guy sat down beside me in the circle. Out of the blue, he suddenly decided to just bite my shoulder. It was seriously painful and he didn't break the skin or even leave teeth marks; a couple of guys in the group immediately jumped up and tackled him. Everyone there found it to be totally strange and unacceptable.

Mizinvanccouver
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02-22-2003

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 4:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mizinvanccouver a private message Print Post    
<<<Holly!>>> How terrifying that must have been for you!! Did he break your skin? Did you need medical attention? Did anyone say they knew him after the fact or anything?

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 4:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
One time my friend said "You know what? BITE ME" so I did, he never said that again.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Miz, nope I didn't know him nor did anyone else it turned out. He just walked up, sat down, and about 20 minutes later, took a bite! It really was painful and of course, I was shocked. As I said, it didn't even break the skin or leave teeth marks but it was seriously painful at the time. So I totally understand why it's taken so seriously in Day Care Centers when one kid bites another.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 4:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
I agree Holly.
It is NEVER acceptable to physically fight. It's never acceptable to hit and biting is wrong, too.

I'm so mad at Chris Brown for even touching her. Sounds like he needs serious help!!

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 4:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
Mandy Moore will tie the knot with her musician beau Ryan Adams, her publicist confirms to PEOPLE.

Details on the engagement weren't immediately available. Moore, 24, and Adams, 34, had dated off-and-on since March 2008.


Msbullwnkl
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08-16-2005

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 5:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Msbullwnkl a private message Print Post    
Didn't she just break up with DJ AM? I know they got back together after the plane crash. Seems awfully fast for me, but if she is happy...

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 7:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Besides Mike Tyson, who does that anyway in a fight?

Marv Albert.. and he was definitely no teenager..

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Latest on the afternoon news in LA.. it is thought now that the fight was prompted when he got a suggestive text message from a woman talking about hooking up later on.. and she had to cancel at least one concert.