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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 2:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The sad thing is that all they are doing if they remove the trees is making it more of a speedway/racecourse. It is enabling and encouraging bad behavior.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 2:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Bee, maybe you should write a letter to the editor in your local newspaper and say exactly what you said here. I think it might get others thinking of other ways to solve the problem rather than cutting down beautiful old trees. I agree with Jimmer, also, that cutting down the trees will just make it more of a speedway.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
If those are grand oaks or a certain number of years old, I think they would be protected. I'd look into that. I know here you can't just up and cut down trees any more.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Thanks everyone. I'm surprised at how good it felt just to talk about it some.

War...I do get that.

Twinkie...I may just do that. And get all the Canyon folk to sign it. I bet they would.

Rissa...agreed.

Holly...I think you're right about that. I'll look into it.

Thanks so much for the constuctive input, all. Much appreciated.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
On a long stretch of road where accidents happened near us, they installed idiot bumps across the road and stop signs every mile.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 4:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Bee, the size of the canopy on those oaks as well as the circumference of the trunk is a good indication of how old they are . If you call an arborist, they should be able to give you an idea on what and how to protect them.

I brought the Feds (Dept of Environment) in on my city once. They wanted to lay new water pipes, digging right at the base of this wonderful huge oaktree in my front yard, cutting through some major feeder roots which would have, imo, either killed the tree or weakened it substantially. After me fighting with the City officials all summer, trying to stop the work, the Feds told them "No way, Jose! I'd also called a local reporter who did a Sunday bit on the environment and natural beauty spots in our local paper. He offered to get in on my fight with the city too if I needed him. I think there's tons of things you could do to stop this. Sounds like a knee-jerk reaction to this latest high-speed crash and people are very emotional. But they're obviously not thinking clearly if they feel the trees are to blame or by cutting them down they'll stop teens from speeding. I'd fight like hell for those trees which create that scenic road. I LOVE my absolutely gorgeous grand oak even though I hate the work it gives me with leaves and pollen clean up. Many a stranger has stopped on passing by to remark on how awesome it is. Go on Bee, save a tree ;)

ETA: I also had a petition ready signed by neighbors who felt the tree was more important than pipes we didn't need. I think you'd be surprised at how many people will probably agree with you.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Beekind, I agree with your opinion completely on this issue and I hope you are able to start a movement to save the trees by writing a letter to the editor or some other means of capturing like-thinking people and directing them toward hearings/legislation on the matter. However, I do think that some medium is going to have to be reached, and that may involve extreme speed-bumps. No one likes them, but if they save lives and trees at the same time . . . isn't it a sacrifice worth making? We have them here on our harbour, and they are PITA but they are better than people racing through here killing joggers, animals or themselves by vaulting into the reservoir.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 10:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Yes, I could live with speed bumps. Certainly better than taking the trees out.

I went out to dinner with a neighbor tonight, and plans are already underfoot to stop the removal of any trees and the widening of the road. I am not alone in my thoughts.

She directed me to this YouTube (WARNING: Graphic Language):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RKEn_XB-GY

That is her car turning on to our street in the beginning of the video.
The boys driving in this video, I believe, are no different than the boys that died last week, except that these boys didn't die...this time. Oddly, they even pass what appears to be another accident on the side of the road.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 8:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Did anyone else notice that he picked his boogies, rolled it around in his fingers then ate it? It was when they were talking about how fast his truck was going and how they could hit 90 on the straightaway.

Beekind, it's a beautiful stretch of road, and it doesn't look like there is any easement. The county could be in lawsuits for a long time if they tried to widen it and take out the trees.

Jewels
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09-22-2000

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 11:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jewels a private message Print Post    
I don't know the area at all, but I would be suprised if they would be willing to put speed bumps in for fire and police reasons, unfortunately. You can't have a fire truck or police car heading to a call hitting speed bumps. That is what we were told on the road we live off of, it is a 25 mph street about a mile long, people fly about 50 down, but the fire and police use it as a thoroughfare to bypass the busier roads.

Frootjuuce
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02-25-2007

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 8:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frootjuuce a private message Print Post    
New gripe...

I just moved to another state. I'm single and did everything myself - packed, hired a mover, paid for the mover, decided what I would take with me and what I would get rid of, found a new apartment, unpacked, etc. (No gripe yet.)

During this whole process, I was constantly met with a barrage of questions and comments about all of my stuff. Most of them had to do with my being single and not needing to have so much. I also moved from a two bedroom townhouse into a two bedroom apartment. (The new one is even less expensive than the old!) Yet, many of the comments center around the fact that since I am single, I could do with less. (Now for the gripe...)

I resent it that people seem to think that since I am single, I do not have the right to accumulate materials goods, like someone with a family would. Many of the things I have are sentimental to me - and some of them I just like. Whose business is it but mine - how much I have accumulated over the years? I am 48 years old. I have lived a life that I am proud of. I am self-sufficient. And
it's as okay for me to have material possessions as it is for a married couple or a family of four. I refuse to feel guilty for having things that bring me joy.

And my having two bedrooms has always allowed these same people somewhere to stay to avoid hotel costs. Hmmm, maybe I COULD do with less...
LOL.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 8:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Call me confused. If you hired movers, who was commenting? (I am assuming it wasn't them.)

It is no one's business but your own. Tell whomever is offering this barrage of questions to buzz off. (are they jealous maybe??--and why do you even care?)

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Froot...people are so strange, aren't they? Instead of telling you they're happy for you, they're a little envious of you, they're nosy about you, they like to make barbs that they probably don't even realize might be hurting you some.

This is why I'll never move. LOL Like you, I have a lifetime of accumulation. All things I treasure and enjoy.
Don't let others make you question yourself. Just make their room really pretty, filled with all sorts of sweet things! That'll show 'em. LOL

I totally get your vent.

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 8:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
frootjuuce.. Im single and have been for ever!!!!.... I get the same thing, "why are you alone, why arnt you married, agggggg.....because Im just fine the way I am....People that ask stupid question's piss me off...... its none of thier buisness...... I have my reasons and Im just FINE>>>>>..... you go girl....do your thing and dont let stupid people get you down.....if they do..... contact me..... I understand.........good luck..

Frootjuuce
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02-25-2007

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 8:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frootjuuce a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Beek. I have been holding that in for a month. I knew that someone here would understand me...

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 8:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Even if someone feels confident that they are doing the right thing, hurtful comments can still hurt. I would never judge others for what they possess or what they spend their money on. As I've often said, once I start living my life like Mother Teresa did, I may be in a better moral position to judge (though I doubt that Mother Teresa judged anyone anyway).

And yet people judge other people for their possessions or personal spending all the time without considering for a moment that they may possess items or spend in ways that other people might consider unnecessary, unsuitable or frivolous. Same thing with personal decisions with respect to staying single, getting married, having children, even where to get a dog, etc. People should understand that others don't have the same interests and priorities that they do. So I totally get it too, Froot.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 8:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Doesn't it feel SOOO good to get it out? I griped and man, oh, man...I feel SO much better today!
I might have to visit this thread more often. LOL

And, YEAH! What Chew said!

Frootjuuce
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02-25-2007

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 8:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frootjuuce a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Chewpito. I needed you guys tonight...

Frootjuuce
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02-25-2007

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 8:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frootjuuce a private message Print Post    
Okay, I have to stop thanking people individually. :-) I feel so much better now. Thanks, all!

Frootjuuce
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02-25-2007

Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frootjuuce a private message Print Post    
I've been thinking about this all day, so I guess I am not done. :-)

The thing is...the things I have actually purchased, I have searched for until I found the perfect thing either on craigslist, ebay, or at yard sales. I am pretty frugal like that. So I know that I have not been wasteful or anything like that with my money. It's the idea that someone else feels that they have the right to tell me that I have "too much" that gets me. The mover really ticked me off when he started. I paid this company to move me and I get a lecture on owning too much stuff? (He also added that I should not need that much "as a woman". I truly believe that he had some cultural issues.)

But, my friends are the ones that blow me away. One of them actually remarked that I should have taken an efficiency apartment and gotten rid of all my stuff when I took this new job. "After all" she said "it's not like you have family or anything." I could not even respond to her! She said that I wasted the 1200.00 it took for me to move it all with me. Yet it would have cost me far more than that to replace it! For example, my sleeper sofa is huge but super nice. The cushions look brand new and the mattress is 6 inches thick with springs (no kidding...it sleeps like a regular bed.) I got it on Ebay for 200.00. How can I replace that? Plus, I really like it!

I finally did come up with a response to my friend, though. I told her that the next time I move, she can come over and I will tell her the story of how I came to own each item that I have and she can tell me which things she thinks that I should part with. Should I give away the things that were left to me by another friend when she died? Should I give away the small things that the children I have worked with over the years gave to me to remember them by? Maybe I should give away the things that this fussy friend has given me over the twenty years that we have known each other...

Thanks for listening, you guys. My feelings about this have just been building for awhile. Not just with this move either. I was told by someone once that my role as as single person was to be of service to married people. This rant has been a long time coming... I'm not letting the experiences change who I am, but it sure was time to talk about it.

Thanks again Jimmer, Beek and Chewpito.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 2:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Froot, I'm single and live in a 3 bedroom duplex. I have things in every room. If anyone ever told me how many things I "should" own, I'd tell them to mind their own business. And if anyone ever said the "because you're a woman" thing to me, you don't even want to know what I'd say!

Try not to let these losers bother you so much. If a simple response like "it's my business" doesn't shut them up, then invite them to drink a nice big cup of shut the hell up!

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 2:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
My favorite response to people who tell me stuff that they have no business telling me is this:

"Well, it's a good thing I didn't ask for your opinion."

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 3:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
It always blows me away when folks want to tell you what is right or wrong for you. I really don't get that.
Froot...this is your one and only life. Live is as you choose to live it.

I like Escapee and Huk's sayings...but mine is this:
You know, I think you're absolutely right.

Which of course means: You're an idiot.
LOL

Sugar
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08-15-2000

Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 3:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sugar a private message Print Post    
Froot, I have been in your shoes and have often been appalled at what people say. I married for the 1st time 2 years ago and I am clinging to my 40's. The "you don't have a family" line sends my blood pressure from 0 to 1000. It was often uttered by people who were jealous or overwhelmed by their commitments who fail to recognize we all need food, shelter and clothing. I also ended up working a lot of holidays or OT so the "family" people could have it off. I quit that some years ago.
Complain to the moving company.

Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
my gripe. (again)

this is why i won't buy breeder dogs again. i will always rescue or buy from shelter. i just wish there was more i could do.

A Letter from a Shelter Manager

I think our society needs a huge "Wake-up" call. As a shelter manager, I am going to share a little insight with you all...a view from the inside if you will.

First off, all of you breeders/sellers should be made to work in the "back" of an animal shelter for just one day. Maybe if you saw the life drain from a few sad, lost, confused eyes, you would change your mind about breeding and selling to people you don't even know.

That puppy you just sold will most likely end up in my shelter when it's not a cute little puppy anymore. So how would you feel if you knew that there's about a 90% chance that dog will never walk out of the shelter it is going to be dumped at? Purebred or not! About 50% of all of the dogs that are "owner surrenders" or "strays", that come into my shelter are purebred dogs.

The most common excuses I hear are; "We are moving and we can't take our dog (or cat)." Really? Where are you moving too that doesn't allow pets? Or they say "The dog got bigger than we thought it would". How big did you think a German Shepherd would get? "We don't have time for her". Really? I work a 10-12 hour day and still have time for my 6 dogs! "She's tearing up our yard". How about making her a part of your family? They always tell me "We just don't want to have to stress about finding a place for her we know she'll get adopted, she's a good dog".

Odds are your pet won't get adopted & how stressful do you think being in a shelter is? Well, let me tell you, your pet has 72 hours to find a new family from the moment you drop it off. Sometimes a little longer if the shelter isn't full and your dog manages to stay completely healthy. If it sniffles, it dies. Your pet will be confined to a small run/kennel in a room with about 25 other barking or crying animals. It will have to relieve itself where it eats and sleeps. It will be depressed and it will cry constantly for the family that abandoned it. If your pet is lucky, I will have enough volunteers in that day to take him/her for a walk. If I don't, your pet won't get any attention besides having a bowl of food slid under the kennel door and the waste sprayed out of its pen with a high-powered hose. If your dog is big, black or any of the "Bully" breeds (pit bull, rottie, mastiff, etc) it was pretty much dead when you walked it through the front door.

Those dogs just don't get adopted. It doesn't matter how 'sweet' or 'well behaved' they are.

If your dog doesn't get adopted within its 72 hours and the shelter is full, it will be destroyed. If the shelter isn't full and your dog is good enough, and of a desirable enough breed it may get a stay of execution, but not for long . Most dogs get very kennel protective after about a week and are destroyed for showing aggression. Even the sweetest dogs will turn in this environment. If your pet makes it over all of those hurdles chances are it will get kennel cough or an upper respiratory infection and will be destroyed because shelters just don't have the funds to pay for even a $100 treatment.

Here's a little euthanasia 101 for those of you that have never witnessed a perfectly healthy, scared animal being "put-down".

First, your pet will be taken from its kennel on a leash. They always look like they think they are going for a walk happy, wagging their tails. Until they get to "The Room", every one of them freaks out and puts on the brakes when we get to the door. It must smell like death or they can feel the sad souls that are left in there, it's strange, but it happens with every one of them. Your dog or cat will be restrained, held down by 1 or 2 vet techs depending on the size and how freaked out they are. Then a euthanasia tech or a vet will start the process. They will find a vein in the front leg and inject a lethal dose of the "pink stuff". Hopefully your pet doesn't panic from being restrained and jerk. I've seen the needles tear out of a leg and been covered with the resulting blood and been deafened by the yelps and screams. They all don't just "go to sleep", sometimes they spasm for a while, gasp for air and defecate on themselves.

When it all ends, your pets corpse will be stacked like firewood in a large freezer in the back with all of the other animals that were killed waiting to be picked up like garbage. What happens next? Cremated? Taken to the dump? Rendered into pet food? You'll never know and it probably won't even cross your mind. It was just an animal and you can always buy another one, right?

I hope that those of you that have read this are bawling your eyes out and can't get the pictures out of your head I deal with everyday on the way home from work.

I hate my job, I hate that it exists & I hate that it will always be there unless you people make some changes and realize that the lives you are affecting go much farther than the pets you dump at a shelter.

Between 9 and 11 MILLION animals die every year in shelters and only you can stop it. I do my best to save every life I can but rescues are always full, and there are more animals coming in everyday than there are homes.

My point to all of this DON'T BREED OR BUY WHILE SHELTER PETS DIE!

Hate me if you want to. The truth hurts and reality is what it is. I just hope I maybe changed one persons mind about breeding their dog, taking their loving pet to a shelter, or buying a dog. I hope that someone will walk into my shelter and say "I saw this and it made me want to adopt". THAT WOULD MAKE IT WORTH IT