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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:07 pm
Victims of a broken system...tsk tsk
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:17 pm
Escapee, I don't get your "tsk tsk". What do you mean? (truly not offended or being sarcastic..I just don't understand) (eta, I know what tsk means, just not sure how it applies here)
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:18 pm
That it's a shame that the system failed these people and look at the results.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:19 pm
ok, I was looking at your reaction from a different direction. Now I see.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:31 pm
I have all the compassion in the world for her, but what she says above is NOT true...she brought a violent criminal into the lives of her mother, her brother and her SON! She did NOT protect her child against all evil. Oh this makes me so mad! As a single mother I feel my first job is to protect my child. I don't bring men into her life until I have known them FOREVER! And any man that even has potential to come into my child's life has to pass a stringent set of criteria...so I guess that is why I'm 50 years old and not currently in a relationship...but I have a child to protect. Her need for a stable and safe environment is a lot more important to me than my own needs. She will only be a child for such a short time longer (she is 11)...I need to provide as safe and loving environment as I can. There is NO WAY I would bring this kind of man into contact with my beloved child (and not my family either by the way).
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:32 pm
Roxi, I totally see your point. Look at the price she's paid as a result of her actions. IMO, the punishment doesn't fit the crime here.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:37 pm
Oh, I totally agree. She has paid an enormous price and will continue paying for the rest of her life. She certainly doesn't need judgmental people (like me). I'm not even judging her per se, I'm just saying that other women should take a lesson from this. No matter how smooth a guy is, how good he looks, how much he sweet talks and promises you the world...as a woman that used to come on Oprah used to say (I think her name was Iyanla van Zandt)...When you see trouble walking toward you down the street CROSS OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE! Bless her heart, she's 29. I pity her. I can't imagine living one day of any day of the rest of my life without my beautiful daughter. My parents are elderly (heck, her mother wasn't that much older than me!) and I'm not even wanting to think about a future when they aren't with me.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:43 pm
OMG, she's only a year older than me. I still feel that it's kinda blaming the victim, here, though. I realize he was a "bad" guy, but I don't think she knew he was capable of this kind of horrific act. Did he have a past history of violence, or just drugs?
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Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:43 pm
I do not have children, BUT I would never do anything to hurt a child.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:44 pm
Yes, Escapee, he was in prison for 7 years on attempted murder! She knew what he had done! (eta, he was out on parole when they got married)
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:46 pm
ACK Naja! This is so bad, so bad. I can't fathom doing anything to HARM an innocent child, nor would I be married to anyone who was capable to do such a thing!
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 2:57 pm
I think I feel a little connected to this because I grew up on the south side of Chicago until I was 11 (not too far from Jennifer's family). There were murders around, but mom moved us to the south'west' side once a murder happened right on our block to someone we personally knew. That was in the late 70s.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 3:00 pm
ok, here we go... Documents show that a suspect in the Chicago murders of three members of Jennifer Hudson's family was arrested for drug possession in June, but state officials didn't revoke his parole. LINK
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Curious1
Member
08-31-2002
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 3:13 pm
I can totally see where you are coming from Roxip, but I do think it is blaming the victim a bit too. When this girl Julia married this man she was not making the best decision no doubt, but hind sight is 20/20. She was/is young and likely was trying to look past the actions that this man did when he was 18 (convicted of attempted murder at 17 or 18) and tried to see the good in him. In all likelihood, she grew up in a neighborhood where many young men are involved in terrible crimes, and it seems that her family was also very religious and may have tended to believe in forgiveness, especially for mistakes made as 17 or 18 year old. I should add that I agree with you though and I would never personally let this man into my life or my child's but I grew up with a different world view and someone who has been convicted of attempted murder would be a complete shock to me, I have never known anyone who has a charge even similar to that, she likely has... Hopefully other women will learn from this and think twice before forgiving or trusting someone with such a charge so easily...but I don't think we can totally blame her and say that she intentionally placed her family or child in harms way.
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 3:20 pm
The system only protects those with perceived value, in that they don't cost 'society' much and are able to afford to live and breathe in a relatively safe environment. These people including the little boy are disposable in the large scheme of things and their plight continues to spin the wheels of law enforcement, the court system and the media to name just a couple, so the system is working just fine for those who are running it all. Reminds me of Katrina... That is the true crime to me. As always YMMV.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 3:37 pm
That's awful. I cannot relate to things like that, as I do not see that in my own community and it breaks my heart that things like this go on in other parts of the country. Things "overlooked" swept under the rug. All children matter and not one is disposable.
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 3:46 pm
the more awful thing escapee...in a few months...we will have moved on and those people will still be living like that...and still having to deal with murders all the time. unfortunately, unless something drastic happens, you won't see a change in society from this. there has to be better programs for youth (and not cheesy) that will make them stay away from violence...solution just won't come over night.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 7:07 pm
I have been sad all day but reading her MySpace post has me bawling. God be with her. Its times like these that I cant wait to understand why God took him so soon. I give her so much respect for finding strength in the Lord and knowing her baby is with her mom and the Lord. I know I hugged Dylan a little tighter last nite and I am going to try and remember to let little things go, life is too short. FYI on Jen's man, I am almost sure that the show he was on was scripted and he played a part. He actually was one of the good guys.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 9:50 pm
I give her so much respect for finding strength in the Lord and knowing her baby is with her mom and the Lord. me too, pamy. i was heartened to read this almost every time i turn on my local news, a child is missing or has been murdered. i agree with beckie re programs for youth. i also know that obama cares and understands the dynamics ... am hoping that he wins and his policies and leadership will help
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 7:29 am
I know that I sound (and probably am) judgmental of her choices (but I would also like to point out that she ISN'T that young...29 is old enough to know better). But don't let my musings on the choices that we make where we should know better let you think that I don't have the highest level of compassion for her as she has to deal with the loss of the majority of her close family. I truly do hope that she and Jennifer can go on. My biggest point in this is that I hope at some point in the future she can use what she has learned - at such an ENORMOUS price - to educate other young women to make better choices in the people they allow in their children's lives. She has the platform because of Jennifer Hudson's notoriety to get a message out there to young women (and older women for that fact...age doesn't necessarily impart wisdom) that our first job as mothers is to protect our children. I'm sure Oprah or Dr. Phil's producers are already on the phone. And this would be an Oprah I would even watch.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 1:48 pm
Yes, they lived in a more crime prone area due to drugs, but things like this murder can happen anywhere. People in more expensive neighborhoods do drugs, too. I'm sure many of us would be shocked to learn what goes on behind closed doors, even in the "BEST" areas! From what I've read from Julia's Myspace, she's not being easy on herself. I feel so bad for her. I certainly would not put myself in judgement of her, as I don't know everything. All I can say is my thoughts and prayers are with her and family.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 9:42 pm
I do judge some of her choices, but of course nothing warranted what was done to her family and I feel such deep sorrow over the loss of that child 
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 10:04 pm
Read back through the thread and the myspace entry.. how sad. I am glad that the two sisters still have each other.. I can only begin to imagine how much worse it would be if Jennifer had also lost her sister, or her sister didn't have Jennifer in her life. Also good for Julian's mom to have her sister who also loved her son and they can remember him (all three of them) together. ==== I do have a few qualms with all the coverage; so often it mentions Jennifer Hudson's nephew, but I always keep in mind that his mother is grieving and sustained the biggest loss. === I'm on the Rot in Hell train with a few others...
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 10:35 pm
i know this comes from tmz...but http://www.tmz.com/2008/10/29/drug-raid-at-hudson-murder-house-in-2002/ We've obtained arrest reports and other docs in connection with a sting operation in Chicago. On March 4, 2002, Chicago cops targeted Jason Hudson, Jennifer's murdered brother, and Gregory King, the father of Julian, the murdered 7-year-old boy. Both men allegedly sold crack cocaine to a registered informant. Cops then raided the very home where Jason was murdered last week. According to documents, Jason, Gregory and Julia (Jennifer's sister) were all arrested. <snip>
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 11:03 pm
and this has what to do with the tragic family situation, other than cast negative aspirations? because they were arrested 6 years ago for crack somehow this means what?
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