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Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, June 06, 2008 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
<-- Watching Scooters' brain starting to smoke! :-)

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Friday, June 06, 2008 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
Ok... did I miss it? Is today National Pick on Scooter day or what???!!! Sheesh!!!

Escapee
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06-15-2004

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Oh right, you get what you deserve, miss Macaroni condom.

Can dish it out, but ya can't take it huh?

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

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Ssshhh Escapee that's how rumors get started!!!

Escapee
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06-15-2004

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Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

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Oh a dancing condom!!!

Escapee
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06-15-2004

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If that's what the condoms you use look like, it's a wonder you don't have more children.

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

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Ummm no that's the condom that the macaroni's use!!!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

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I wish I got tipped based on the way I do my job, I am friendlier and work harder than some that make more than me!

Mak1
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08-12-2002

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Pamy, you should even be tipped on the way you post at TVCH!

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

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Pamy should be tipped on her cheerfulness.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

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Oh trust me....Pamy always gets more than just the "tip".

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, June 06, 2008 - 2:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Our tax amount in California differs from county to county.. I don't think I'd necessarily want to pay a higher tip (or lower) just because some county was taxing us more or less.

I've always been told to tip on the amount before tax, but I do tend toward 20% rather than 15%

Pamy
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01-02-2002

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aaahh you guys are sooo sweet. xoxoxoxo

EEyore is on a roll today!! hahahahhahaaa

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

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You mean on a roll in the hay?

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

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Sea, maybe you didn't quite understand what I was saying. For me, the tax rate being 8% just makes figuring out the 15% pretty easy. Tax is on the actual meal amount, which as I understand, is the amount we should tip on. If your tax rate is higher or lower, maybe it would be more difficult to use my method.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Saturday, June 07, 2008 - 6:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
Somewhat related, since we're talking about servers.....

What do you all think of this story:

Waitress loses job after shaving head for cancer charity

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Saturday, June 07, 2008 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
Well talk about bad PR, either she was a crappy waitress or he's a knucklehead...

Not that I'm a big fan of fund raising for that money pit known as the useless Cancer Society, but that's for another day. She still shouldn't have lost her job for being bald.

Racsan
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04-09-2004

Saturday, June 07, 2008 - 6:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Racsan a private message Print Post    
Actually if you look at the picture she's NOT bald she just has a buz.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, June 07, 2008 - 10:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Hukd, yeah I understand what you were saying and ANY way to make it faster to figure up a tip works for me!

If I get a bill that shows the amount before taxes I just do a quick 10% and double that, but I also tend to adjust it so the total amount is even. I also tend to over tip on pizza delivery I suppose because it is often dark out and sometimes raining and my front porch light isn't working, lol.. so I feel more grateful than necessary.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Stepping out of my comfort zone here:

Sometimes tipping is based not on what the server deserves but on what I can afford. I usually tip 15% and on extraordinary service 20% but on some days I can only afford 10%. And on very rare occasions, less than that. If I cannot afford to tip, should I not eat out, if I can afford the meal?

I had a horrible fight with a close friend about that in a restaurant years ago, and I never forgot it. I could afford the meal (barely) but had no extra funds for the tip. They loudly said that I was embarrassing them by not tipping and that if I couldn't tip, I shouldn't eat out. I was mortified. My stance was that they should mind their own business and tip as they wished but not to embarrass me, by ingraciously and publicly announcing this. I always felt the classy thing to do was either tip on my behalf if they were more concerned about the waitress' situation than me, their friend. Or better yet, just QUIETLY mind their own business. And if they felt that this was a big enough issue to at least wait til we got outside the restaurant to bring it up, not publicly humiliate me there. *For the record this was about 30 years ago. But I was shocked and hurt that someone could STRONGLY believe that if you can afford a meal, but not the tip, go hungry, or stay home, but stay out of the restaurant. The public embarrasment actually traumatized me, as you can see, I never forgot it. Luckily my friend and I managed to put it behind us, but it was painful and took some time, but we got past it. For me, as always, friendship and loyalty is number one. In many ways, we've gotten closer over the years, so that's a bonus.

Anyhow, I digress:

I generally put my tip beside my plate so the waitstaff knows that it's MY tip. If the other person doesn't want to, it's not my business. Especially if they can't afford it, I may choose to cover their tip, (and I have done this MANY times over the years, if I can afford it, it's no big deal) either I offer to, or I quietly leave extra money with my tip. Because their friendship means more to me than the restaurant or the personnel there! I will add that if I find someone who can afford it is just being cheap and expects me to pay the entire tip (dream on! unless the entire meal is my treat), I might QUIETLY whisper to them, 'Oh you forgot to leave your tip', But I would NEVER publicly embarrass them. And if they said they couldn't afford it, I'd probably cover it for them.

I WISH the tips were included in the price of the meal to avoid this kind of BS. I agree with those who say restaurants should fold the tips into the price of the meal,for all the reasons stated above by other posters. It annoys the crap out of me why other companies scrape by paying their employees a fair wage while restaurants dump that burdon on their customers.

Let me say for the record that most waitstaff like Eeyore are likely very hard-working individuals. But then so are other folks who work in other lines of business, either low paying jobs and/or customer service and we don't get tipped. Sometimes I feel resentment that I am subsidizing someone who makes more than me - and that's when I am working in a lowpaying job. When I am not working, sometimes tipping is simply a hardship.

To answer my own question that I posed near the top of my post: If I can afford the advertised price of a meal on the menu, plus the government's taxes, then I have every right to enter the restaurant and order and consume a meal there - TIPPING OPTIONAL! In my single days when I was stony broke, I'd leave my favourite waitress the magazine I was reading and an apology. She was always gracious about it - and became a friend! When I was writing a weekly column, she'd always save it til I was there and ask me to autograph it for her. She even helped me hunt for an apartment in her fabulous neighbourhood years ago, and to this day I still live accross the street from her. (She's retired now.)

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
no offense to you cuz ya know I love ya.

for me personally I wouldnt go to a restaraunt that had wait staff serving tables if I couldnt afford a tip.

I know tipping is optional but I just wouldnt feel right not leaving a tip. Even when we have bad service I leave a little something and talk to manager or write to the company. It would really kill me if I had the best service ever and couldnt leave a tip. This is just me personally. I dont fault you or others for their own way of looking at the situation.

It's funny now since Dylan is older (12) he is very aware of tipping and wants to have his college job as a waiter cuz he has seen how much money can be made in a high end restaraunt. He sometimes wants us to tip over 20% if he really likes the server(ie: its a hot chick) LOL

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 10:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I would never publicly embarrass anyone for that reason.

I have to agree with Pamy that tipping is part of paying for the meal and I wouldn't consider eating out at a restaurant where I knew I couldn't afford to leave a reasonable tip.

Regardless of whether or not tipping is included in the price of the meal, we still would end up paying one way or another. People can't be expected to work for free.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I'm with Pamy on that. I cannot afford a place if I cannot afford to tip the wait staff. If I'm tight on money I'll go for fast food or bring home takeout or order less.

I certainly wouldn't try to embarrass anyone else, but would feel better with separate checks so I can deal with my own payment/tip amount.

Pamy, that's cute about Dylan. My brother worked in restaurants in all sorts of capacities so I learned early to see things through his eyes about tipping. Actually I probably learned about tipping from my dad, who also put in time as a waiter (although that tended to make him more critical, standards for waiters being higher in "his" day, in his opinion :-) )

Lumbele
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07-12-2002

Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lumbele a private message Print Post    
When tips are included in meal prices, wait staff still expect the extra perk. In my experience, it is usually given, too, but as a *true* gratuity, commensurate with the quality of service.