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Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
At my age now, I can honestly look back and say I was not really mature at 26. I was a mother and doing mature things but I was not mature.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I was and I had 2 kids by 26.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Well, whether we were or weren't, we did not have the life, childhood, and upbringing Britney did, so we really can't compare. I am her same age, and I have kids close in age to her two kids.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
We also had regular childhoods where we were able to just be kids.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
She may have underlying mental illness, but selfish, willful, spoiled and narcissistic figure into it in a big way, also. I have zero sympathy for her, particularly with her dragging from gas station to gas station, and hotel to hotel in order to have her picture taken. She has a complete disregard for everyone else in this world, and that particularly includes her children. I understand she has no intention of showing up for court today? Her driving alone is enough to convince me that she could care less if she kills a pedestrian, as long as she gets to the Rite Aid in time for her morning press conference.

Obviously I'm not a fan of hers. And I have some serious sympathy for her attorneys whom have yet to be given leave to withdraw.

Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
She may have a mental illness. But her parents can step in a have her put away. It happens, and if her parents truly wanted to get her help they could.

I don't feel bad for her. She puts herself out there. Okay, granted, the paps get excessive. But you know...look at Lindsey. She was out all the time, now hardly ever. This is the world we are living in, good or bad. You have to either go with the flow or constantly battle with it, which is what Brit is doing. Whatever...I don't feel bad for her. I had a mental illness and I got help because I wanted to get better...and I had it bad...I tried to commit suicide. Yes, you don't see things clearly, but you also realize that other people are happy and you can get happy to. Plus I had my parents...she needs her parents. Nobody cares, everyone is focused on Jamie right now.

If she continues to parade around, going to different gas stations, having the paps doing things for her...well then she can't expect them to just back off when she doesn't want them. Can't have your cake and eat it to.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Britney needs to go hang out with Gary Busey.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
The problem with the manic portion of bipolar is that the illness makes you think you are invincible, meglomaniacal, and able to do or obtain things that others cannot. How much her behavior is due to her irrational thinking, and how much is due to some other issues of her fame is impossible to tell without treating the illness first.

I cannot and will not judge someone who is simply physiologically incapable of seeing life rationally. If anything, we all need to be more sensitive toward mental illness. It is virtually impossible to commit someone who is an adult, unless they have tried to harm themselves or someone else. Just behaving irresponsibly or irrationally is not enough.

You can't judge folks like this by rational standards. They can't behave rationally, even if they could see rational (which they don't).

Imagine it like this - if someone fed you drugs that altered your thinking. No matter how much you wanted to see things rationally, no matter how much you might want to behave differently, you can't do it. That's what life is like for a mentally ill person.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
And it may not be a mental illness. <48>

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I'm with Mocha. <48>

I think celebrities, especially those who were child stars, lose a connection to reality and have a very skewed take on life. They have been catered to and pampered all of their lives. How can they have any concept of average life? Their lives have not been average pretty much ever.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Karuna, I agree. I do think that much of her mental illness is self induced. Like my brother, before he started doing meth, he was an outgoing, responsible father. That drug has messed his mind up. I think Britney is self medicating and I do feel sorry for her. But, it's the children who I really feel sorry for.

Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
Karuna, I agree that we need to be more sensitive towards people with a mental illness. However, there's comes a point where enough is enough. And if she can't see it (which obiviously she can't), her parents need to step in and they aren't. So blame the parents...but she bares some of the responsibility, like stop lying to herself.

Dipo
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04-23-2002

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dipo a private message Print Post    
I think what Karuna is saying is that even if she is mentally ill it is very difficult for parents to manage adult children. That is why I think they have to have her declared incompetent to handle her affairs, then I think they could get her involuntarily commited and figure out what the heck is going on with her, is she mentally ill or just a brat who doesn't want to be told what to do.

Wapland
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08-01-2000

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wapland a private message Print Post    
I guess I don't understand how if it is true that parents of an adult child can have them committed if they are a harm to themselves or others, and the events of the weekend at Britney's were true, she was hospitalized and then released. Did the medical professionals in that situation not have reason to keep her hospitalized for a three day assessment. If they didn't and she was released....is there a mental health issue as now seems to be widely reported and accepted? I am confused, but hey it is Hollywood.

Fondly,
Wappy

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I'm all for being sensitive to mental illness, but I also think we need to see her as a definite danger to society. She is driving around, and while sometimes she may drive slowly to court the paparazzi, she also snaps and decides she doesn't WANT the attention, and then speeds off. Not only have we seen the video evidence of her breaking driving laws DOZENS of times, I am also concerned that the paparazzi are breaking those laws too. This means that LA is filled with 1 erratic driver being followed by about 40 other erratic drivers, just for the sake of entertainment.

I think they need to take her license away. Then she can be mentally ill from a passenger's seat.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
ETONLINE indicates she showed up at court this morning, but not in so many words.

Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
They had her committed to Promises...if they truly wanted to, they could send her away and have her committed. She doesn't need something like Promises, she needs something that won't have the Hollywood flash in it. Her parents could do it...if they wanted to.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Involuntary commitment requires that you are shown to be a danger to others, or an imminent danger to yourself. If you are capable of making it on your own, even to a tiny degree, you cannot be committed.

While it may be opinion that Britney is dangerous to others, that doesn't rise to the level of the legal proof necessary for involuntary commitment. If she continues to break driving laws, she should lose her license, for sure!

You can hold someone for 72 hours in most states to determine whether that person is a danger to him/herself or others; but in order to have longer term commitment, you must seek a court order.

Simply being diagnosed with bipolar or psychoses is not sufficient; you can have all kinds of hallucinations and psychotic thinking - but unless you've actually planned to kill someone or yourself, treatment can't be forced on you. And even if you are involuntarily commited, you still have the right to refuse the medications that would help you be more sane.

Stacey718995
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07-06-2007

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 3:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
I don't have a clue if she is mentally ill or not, none of us do frankly.

If she is then I don't know that I am more sympathetic but I wish she could get some help and I don't think it is as easy as just showing her there is help.

I at least have enough understanding of the mentally ill to know that it isn't rational to hold them responsible for all their behaviors. Her behavior would be easier to explain if she was mentally ill at this point. I don't think it excuses her behaviors but it changes how you look at them and how you help them.

I think that the bigger people to blame is the system. I think that people are trying to reach out and help Britney but the system is still allowing most of this nonsense to go on. She should have lost those kids and her right to drive ages ago just based on the behaviors we see in the public. The system is the one that failed in this situation in my opinion.

If she is out like some say using this as a publicity stunt and seeking attention and is truly not mentally ill then shame on Britney.

If she is out like some say out of her mind and crazy and no one appears to be helping her then shame on the system.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 3:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Re Britney and Promises - she was not involuntarily committed to Promises. She checked herself in, and out again.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 3:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Notice that with all the commotion and news about Britney, not much heat or attention is being given to her little pregnant sister.
Maybe Britney is smart as a fox and doing this to help her sister lay low.
lol

Wapland
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08-01-2000

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 3:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wapland a private message Print Post    
Again I ask....what happened to her 72 hours? It just seems that at least at that point, she's not self medicating and maybe some clarity would creep in.

Believe me, I know what it is like to try and force someone who is not ready for help to get it, but eventually, and it would seem Britney's circumstances of late would demonstrate, the police or any emergency room physicians could have committed her for 72 hours observation. Why did this not happen? If I were the parents, I would be furious.

And Eeyore, no surprise, I agree about the driving thing. Just not sure how they could prove her negligance without stopping her themselves.

Fondly,
Wappy

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 3:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
excellent posts here

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 3:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
"Re Britney and Promises - she was not involuntarily committed to Promises. She checked herself in, and out again."

Also before she went to Promises she was checked into Eric Clapton's rehab (http://crossroadsantigua.org/website/index.html) in the Caribbean, but I think she only stayed 24 hours, left..... then checked she into Promises.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, January 14, 2008 - 3:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think the proof is all of the paparazzi video footage of her breaking traffic laws.

I know here in BC, if I want to report someone running a red light, but a cop wasn't there, all I have to do is be in court to testify against them. I'm not sure how much my "word" in court is valid, but a cop told me that once.