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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 2:19 pm
That's cause I think you have to click the shutter three times to get the bracketing. It won't do it for you (unless you have the drive mode set to continuous). 
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 2:51 pm
How does the camera know you aren't taking three different pictures if you're clicking 3 times? Hmmmm...I'll have to experiment some more....
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 3:09 pm
It doesn't know. All it is doing is for the next two pictures it is going to bracket (i.e. lower the exposure for one and raise it for the other). They could be of completely different subjects though that would defeat the purpose of bracketing and you'd end up with flaky results!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 3:18 pm
OMG I think I've been doing that!!! LOLOLOL!!!!! And you DO end up with wonky pictures!!! hahaha!!!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 3:38 pm
LOL - You wouldn't be the first!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 8:02 pm
I do play around with my G6, now even more since I know just how limited (though nice!) the 850 is. I guess it's that adage about not know what is missing til it's gone... Now the things I am about to mention, I haven't even had in about 15 years!! I miss an instantaneous "snap" of the picture! I also miss being able to focus on something and have a nice super blurry background. I miss bouncing a flash off a ceiling. Weird, huh? Oh, maybe the biggest thing I miss is turning the ring around until I get exactly what I wanted in focus. I don't mind messing with f-stops or apertures. It just seems my old non digital minolta did not have so many buttons or options. Now that camera died a long long time ago, so maybe my memory is fuzzy (like at least 15-18 years ago) but it seemed to me I did not have to mess with much at all. I remember setting aperture and f/stop, manually focusing. I know there were different speeds of film, but I always used 100. I don't remember messing with white balance or much else really. But, (and this but is why I am just toying with the idea for now) I don't know if my desire is enough to make it worth the cost. And with these 2 little kids, will I even have the time to devote to rekindling my old hobby? By the same token, these 2 little kids are awfully good subject matter!!! I do like how the Nikon has the manual right in the camera!!! I would have to say I am slightly more in the Canon camp, but Nikon seems only a short walk away... For the meantime, I am only window shopping! And I did buy a much smaller camera case for my G6. I should have done that eons ago. It really makes a big difference. But I also LOVE having the 850 in my purse! I have already gotten a lot more shots than I would have if I only had the G6 (even in its sporty new mini case.)
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 8:49 pm
Julie, If you used to use a film SLR, all the basic concepts of photography are still absolutely the same. There is very little difference so no worries there. The main difference is in the ability to post-process the images. But you already know about that.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, February 11, 2008 - 8:40 pm
Hey HP! Just wanted to say that I enjoyed those funny wedding pictures you posted the link to at the back-up site!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 10:09 pm
I don't want to go crazy in the Daily Poll thread....but I figured I'd share some of the stuff I've been doing on my walks to work, trying to take into account things I'm learning in photo class. Here is one of my Flickr sets: MY WALK TO WORK
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 11:47 am
Those are some very nice images, Eeyore. That must be a lovely way to start the day.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 8:01 am
Jimmer, DPreviews just posted the 850 review. It made me think about indoor photos. I do notice they are on the yellow/warm side, so I try to not use a flash if possible (well I do that anyways). My question to you is, can you explain how I should set my white balance when inside? It says the custom wb setting is remembered even if you turn the camera off. Can you explain that a bit? THANKS in advance! Here is the section from dpreviews: White balance The SD850 IS has five white balance presets (daylight, cloudy, tungsten, fluorescent and fluorescent H) in addition to the default auto white balance. There is also a 'custom' white balance setting, which allows you to point the camera at a white or gray object and set the white balance manually. The custom white balance setting is remembered even if you turn the camera off. In normal outdoor shooting the auto white balance works perfectly (as confirmed by our outdoor sample shots). Indoors the situation is slightly different. As we've seen with most Canon PowerShots incandescent (tungsten) lighting causes a fairly strong orange color cast (though manually choosing the right preset gives a perfectly neutral result). We've spoken to Canon about its approach to white balance and have been told that the warm colors we see when shooting under incandescent light are intentional and are intended to 'try to keep some of the warm atmosphere of this kind of shot'. Uncharacteristically for a Powershot the Auto WB performance under fluorescent light is poor as well with a strong yellowish-greenish cast on images. Again, using the WB preset will sort this out and for perfectionists there is always the Custom White Balance option.}
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 10:42 am
Julie, I haven't noticed that problem in particular. Most people tend to prefer a warmer white balance even if it may be less accurate. One thing that many pros eventually figure out is that accurate colors may not be the most visually appealing colors. In any event, if the auto white balance isn't visually appealing to you under these conditions you will want to pick a white balance setting that gives you the results you want. If you are indoors and the room is lit by regular lamps and you are not using flash then you would want to choose tungsten. Auto white balance generally has a problem fully compensating for tungsten lighting. I notice that this camera doesn't provide a white balance setting for flash. You might want to try the daylight white balance when you use flash (as flash is generally designed to mimic the sun). Finally, you can do a custom white balance. In order to do that you need to find something that is a neutral color and large enough to fill the center of your image and follow the instructions in the manual. The trick is finding something that is neutral. Some photographers use white balance and grey cards for that sort of thing. I don't bother professionally because I always shoot in raw format. If you don't want to use a card for this then pick something that should be white and use that. But once again, accurate neutral colors may not produce the most appealing image.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 12:32 pm
Tripod question - are the quick release plates on tripods also sold separately? Are they of a universal design, that one could use one plate on their camera, then just hop from tripod to tripod? No matter the make or model?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 1:33 pm
There are different types of quick releases. Are they sold separately? It depends on the make but generally they are sold separately for the better tripod makes.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 2:39 pm
Nah, it came with my kit, and I never really even opened the box, because I was not a fan of carrying it around. I have this 10" long one that can expand to about 3 feet, and I like it because it at least still fits in a purse. LOL But then I was going to go do some sunset stuff, and while the little tripod works with my P&S, it would never hold the weight of the SLR. So today, I pulled the big tripod box out of the closet, and I quite like it. It's probably not a great one, as it came with the kit, but for someone who isn't THAT serious, it's more than good enough. I actually like it, AND I didn't even know it comes with a carrying case, like for a yoga mat! LOL It's a targus, and it is 66", with two levels, and a bunch of other stuff. I expanded it, and pushed it around, and it's really sturdy, not flimsy. Anyways, it has a quick release, and something that was on the box made me think you could buy multiple quick release plates, just to keep attached to your various cameras, and then interchange them on the tripod base. Not that I even HAVE multiple cameras, but it make me wonder anyways....LOL
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 2:50 pm
Sure you could buy multiple quick release plates. That's what I do. Most of the non-pro quick releases aren't very well engineered (in fact they are terrible). All they do is rely on a piece of cork or plastic at the base and you tighten a screw to prevent the camera from rotating. But as soon as you rotate the camera to a portrait position, if you have a heavier lens, the camera slips. The good pro ones simply have a little edge over the front of the plate that rests against the camera body so the camera doesn't slip when rotated. Of course the regular ones work fine if you shoot landscape.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 8:55 pm
Don't forget to change the time for your cameras to DST (like I usually forget to do!).
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 9:36 pm
TESS!!! Did you ever get your camera? What did you end up going with? Ahhh good point Jimmer! I'll have a look.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 10:15 pm
While I'm in here, I've decided I hate my current tripod. I'm not sure if it's just the one I have, because it's not some 600 dollar thing, but I just am not adept with adjusting it as perfectly as a camera would be adjusted in my hands. I haven't looked at other tripod designs, but I would imagine that a tripod that puts your camera on a ball-joint type of base would be cool, because you could tilt it on any axis without having to readjust the entire piece of equipment. I think I have many axes available to me but I was trying to take pics over the weekend, and just could never set up the tripod correctly. I guess practice makes perfect, but it's certainly frustrating to learn right now!
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 7:36 am
I was wondering if I could ask a camera question. My 17 year old is very interested in journalism and is now wanting to branch out into photography. The problem is he has parents that know nothing about this. I own one PHD (push here dummy) camera. Any suggestions on what a decent starting out camera would be? Equipment he would need? Also are there any good books on the subject?
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 9:15 am
Biloxi I would start off by checking out some websites like these: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/ http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/?tag=glnav and just browse thru the different cameras to get a feel of what different ones offer as well as get some idea of what some negative aspects are of different cameras. Then I'd go to your library and check out some digital camera books. Any kind of a "Digital Cameras for Dummies" is a good start. If your son is really serious about photography, I would recommend the Nikon D40. Though I believe there is a newer version, the D60. Others to consider are the canon rebel and Pentax K200D. Now all the above cameras are rather pricey. The D40 and D40x are the cheapest at about $450-ish. So if that is way above what you are thinking, then he might want to look at non-slrs. But there are too many to list. He needs to find out what kind of features he'd want. (things to consider include how much manual control he'd want, how much zoom, how much wide angle, etc.. Best thing is read up first of all. I would not go to a camera shop right away. I'd get a bit educated first. Cuz if you go into a camera shop right off the bat, tehy;d likely lead you to something they think you need. And I think you find out what you want/need first. Hope that helps. One book that I just got (have not read) that I heard was a really good idea to read is by Bryan Peterson: UNDERSTANDING EXPOSURE Revised Edition (How to Shoot Great Photography with a Film or Digital Camera)
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 10:19 am
Thanks Julie. I think I will pick up some books. Great suggestion about reading before buying. If nothing else it will show me how interested he really is. Instead of just running out and plunking down money on a camera.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 10:45 am
If he is just starting out, I would first determine how much money that you want to spend on a camera before anything else. The camera is not what makes the photographer, it is their understanding of how to make a photograph. So, you really don't need a super-duper expensive camera to start. He will eventually grow out of a basic camera and move to something that meets his needs. The D40 will run about $500 which might be too much to spend starting out. You might also check out used cameras online from a reputable dealer. I have bought used from KEH.com fairly successfully. They rank the cameras and lenses. I would stay with the like new +, Like New to start. That will save a few dollars on the purchase if you go that route. So, I'm the opposite of Julieboo. I would go to multiple camera shops (not best buy, Wolf Camera or any chain camera store) but local ones that are geared specifically for all ranges of photographers. Their salesmen are photographers and they will be happy to answer your questions. Just let them know up front that you are doing research and plan to buy at a later date. I have bought about 4 cameras in my life. For each one, I went to at least 3 stores and compare and contrast what each store says. You will find that there are some stores that are geared totally towards CANON, while others favor NIKON. At least, it will give you a base to go online to do the research that Julie talks about. That research is really valuable in helping you to decide what camera to buy, but there is nothing like holding the camera in your hand to make the final decision. If your son is really interested in photography, he should interact with others in learning how to 'see' the world through the viewfinder. He might look to taking a basic photography class, perhaps at a community college or through his school to learn all the ins and outs of photography. Or, find a local photography club and attend a couple of meetings to see what others are doing. Everyone there would help and talk photography with him. He will have a blast. Good luck.
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 3:39 pm
Kookliebird, thanks for the information. Actually one of the camera chain stores would have been my first choice. I am glad you told me different.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 4:53 pm
You might get a better price at the Chain stores, but if you want information you need to go to what I call a 'real' camera store. Frankly, after I decide what camera I want, then I look for the best price. Also, don't get too caught up in the megapixels. Anything 7 or 8MP would be fine for beginning. There's not a real noticable difference from between a 7mp to a 10mp except price and the storage space it requires from your computer. As your son gets further into it, he might want the higher megapixels, but it is probably not very critical right now. I have been shooting with an 8mp camera and am pretty successful at it.
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