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Rissa
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03-20-2006

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Absolutely Landiliegh. Its just that old cliche that "everything in moderation" that drives me batty. LOL Its just not true, there are some foods that should be avoided for some people. Absolutely not trying to argue (promise!!:-) ) And it has nothing to do with carbs. Broccoli is a carb too as are fruits and veggies in general.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
*stays out of the carb discussion*

OK so just got back from the VA hospital. Hubby had his 6 mo check up. DR was waiting on the A1C test but had the results of the other blood tests. Everything looked awesome! He lost 10lbs, cholesterol and triglycerides had dropped. Then she checked for his A1C results. He was 6.5 6 months ago - great considering he had started out at 7.3 and got it down to 7.0 last time it was checked in KY. Today it was 7.8 and he has lost some feeling in his feet. Dr told us that he is not so bad he can't get it back - just in the beginning stages. He was extremely quiet on the ride home. I'm hoping this will get him to get serious. It has to be HIS choice. I'll support him 100% but I'm not his mother I'm not going to tell him he can't have something. I'm not going to nag at him to exercise. His mom and grandma both had type 1 so he's not new to the whole diabetes scene, even when he was first diagnosed 3 1/2 years ago. He knows what uncontrollable sugars can do. We have a friend in KY who's sister is in the University of Kentucky Burn Center, body raging with infection, sugars staying around 900. But just like in Lestine's case, it is HIS decision to make.

Mak1
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08-12-2002

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mak1 a private message Print Post    
Thank you, Rissa, landi, Twinkie and Escapee for your thoughts. I am not diabetic, but dh is pre-diabetic. We haven't met with the CDE yet, and I'm just gathering all the information I can. I am adjusting my diet to lower my LDL. Between our medical concerns and food likes/dislikes, meal planning is very challenging and frustrating for me right now.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
OK came to delete what I had posted but was too late. Sorry, it sounds more like it should be in the Can I Vent thread.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I think its in exactly the right place Serate. When my dad started losing the feeling in his legs, that's when the gravity of this disease really hit him. Its important that he be extra vigilant about his feet until/if the feeling returns 100%. If he gets a cut or hangnail, etc it could get infected without his noticing. My dad's healthcare started paying for him to have his nails cut by a professional every couple weeks once his feet went a bit numb. Don't know if that is an option for your hubby. Also shoes with a wider base (more stability) help prevent stumbling or tripping. Sounds like he has been doing a lot RIGHT with the weight loss, etc so perhaps this recent test is just a blip? Best of wishes to both of you.

Landileigh
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07-29-2002

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landileigh a private message Print Post    
serate, i think it's one of those posts that should possibly be in both. you are frustrated with trying to help him when he isn't really helping himself. and yet you want us to learn from that as diabetics ourselves.

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 6:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
Sometimes we do all the right things and our health doesn't respect that input. Some people don't seem to care about their food choices and never get sick. This is all GENETIC potential.

In the case of those who do the right thing and still end up with the short end of the damn stick - I always wonder if it would have happened sooner or been worse if they weren't so health concious.
1 cup cooked turnip is only 8 g carbohydrate, 34 kcals. It may be white, but it's not a starchy vegetable.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20hY.html

Even a potato has nutritional value! 1 cup baked = ~30 g carbohydrate, 130 kcals.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20ig.html



Mak1
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08-12-2002

Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 3:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mak1 a private message Print Post    
Thank you for the information and link, Konamouse. That website is very informative.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 7:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Thank you as well Kona. My kids love them so its good to know they are a healthier alternative.

Mak1
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08-12-2002

Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 6:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mak1 a private message Print Post    
I should have worded my question more clearly. Just to clarify, by "avoid" I didn't mean that the food would be banned forever from our diet, just that it wouldn't be served as frequently.

Jagger
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08-07-2002

Friday, October 12, 2007 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jagger a private message Print Post    
Mak I'm not sure if your looking at doing the counting carbs thing like my doctor advised with the pre-diabetic stage. The nutricianist (SP?) I saw said that you can count the carbs and than minus the fiber. So a cup of cooked Turnips cubed has 8 grams of carbs, but also has 3.1 gramps of fiber so it would give you a net total of 5 grams carbs. And Cauliflower per 1/2 cup cooked has 3 grams carbs and 1.7 grams fiber, for a net carb of about 1 1/2 per 1/2 cup serving. Sounds like both of those foods would fit in great with a counted carb diet.

I picked up a book called "The Calorie, Carbohydrate, and Cholesterol Directory" Written by Martha Schueneman that has tons of information in it. It has info on meats, fish, dairy, fats and oils, nut, seeds starchy foods, fruits, veggies and even fast foods.
I love the book.
I picked it up at a local half price book store for under 10 bucks but I'm sure you could find the book on line at Amazon or any other place.

If you have other foods your not sure of just post them and someone will try to supply you with the information.
I'm glad I found this thread, I pretty much check in here everyday to read what others have posted about Diabetis

Mak1
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08-12-2002

Friday, October 12, 2007 - 4:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mak1 a private message Print Post    
Thank you for all the info, Jagger. We haven't met with the nutritionist yet, so I'm just trying to gather all the info I can. It helps to read here and learn from everyone. I appreciate all the sharing in this thread.

Our doctor offered no information on nutrition but did recommend exercise and weight loss. When dh was hospitalized (not pre-diabetes related) last month, and I told the internist that he is pre-diabetic, they kept a close watch on his sugar and gave him a couple shots of insulin during that time. The CDE also gave him a glucose monitor and taught him to use it. We plan to attend her diabetic classes later this month.

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 12, 2007 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
Very few doctors have a handle on real nutrition information nor the time to provide the proper education.

That is why a good physician will refer their patients to a Registered Dietitian.



Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Friday, October 12, 2007 - 5:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
... or a good Diabetes Educator (RN). If you find a good one, you have it made.

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 12, 2007 - 10:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
*cough* some good Diabetes Educators are Dietitians *cough*



Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Friday, October 12, 2007 - 10:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
A great doctor knows when to call in a dietician and an OT and a PT.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
So I vented about my husband's A1C being so high and the DR being surprised as he has lost weight, and all his other stuff has went down. Friday night he went to the VA hospital for a sleep study. [Has had his CPAP for 8 years and no follow up, typical VA crap.] They tried everything they could think of with both CPAP and BIPAP and no go. When they got his sleep apnea under control it relaxed him so much he quit breathing - some other kind of apnea that my husband couldn't remember the name of. So for now he stays on what he was until they decide what they are going to do. Why am I brining this up in the diabetes thread? Because there is a link between diabetes, sleep apnea, and PTSD; it's a viscous circle, they feed off of each other for lack of better words. So the DR there said that it indeed could be the reason his A1C was up so high even tho everything else would have led his reg DR to believe that it would have stayed the same or even gone down.

Landileigh
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07-29-2002

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landileigh a private message Print Post    
very interesting serate. i have sleep apnea and diabetes also. no PTSD though. wonder what the connection is?

Serate
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08-21-2001

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 10:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
landileigh just sleep apnea and diabetes could be connected too I'm not sure but it would not surprise me. He found the connection between PTSD and sleep apnea while working with a disabled Veteran and then asked a doctor in KY about it. The doctor in KY told him about the "viscous circle". I'll see if he has any articles I can post links to.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
OK so I emailed my husband and patience is NOT a virtue of mine. So I went searching. Here's some articles I found.

Sleep apnea may increase risk of diabetes

Approximately 60% of Type 2 diabetes patients have sleep apnea.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Dr. Botros said that although it is not known exactly what the link is between sleep apnea and diabetes, it is thought that sleep apnea activates the body’s fight-or-flight response. This triggers a cascade of events, including the production of high levels of the hormone cortisol that ultimately leads to insulin resistance and glucose intolerance, pre-diabetic conditions that, if left untreated, can lead to the development of diabetes. Low oxygen levels also appear to play an important role.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Well, I hate to join this club (since I already have T-cell lymphoma, am a breast cancer survivor, and have 3 herniated discs so I'm in ENOUGH clubs...) but I was told on Friday that I am now a diabetic. My BG was 115 (up from 106, 3 months ago), and AC1 was 6.6. My father's mother and my mother's father both were type II, and both died from complications of diabetes. Of course this was eons ago and I know there is much more help and better meds out there now.

I'll be visiting this thread, probably silently for a while, and am trying to learn what I can to help myself right now.

Do I get a pin or a sticker or something from membership? I already know what the dues are (and they're too high), but I like pins and stickers.

Serate
Member

08-21-2001

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 12:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Well Huk'd I'd guess you will be getting a pin and sticker from the doc if you haven't already. A pin to stickyer finger with!!!! ok sorry bad joke!

Hopefully you found out soon enough before there was too much damage done.

Landileigh
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07-29-2002

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landileigh a private message Print Post    
oh lori, you're just trying to be like me and follow me around from thread to thread. you fluffernutter copycat you!

Landileigh
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07-29-2002

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landileigh a private message Print Post    
serate, thanks for the info. i'll read it tonight when i can actually think of other things than accounts payable/receivable. GAWD I HATE MONDAYS!