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Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 6:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
I have been thinking a lot about germs recently. There had been a lot of local TV coverage due to the tragic loss of an 11 year old here 2 weeks ago. They first said her death was from staph. Now they are saying that is unconfirmed at this time.

The big debate on TV is one local mother wants the school the girl attended completely shut down and cleaned. They showed this mom on TV in her own home. Where she wipes down every surface more then one time a day with alcohol. She washes sheets daily among other things. Her hand washing station would put most hospital surgical prep area to shame.

Of course watching this my first thought is wow overkill. Then I realized I now too do things I never did before.

An example of this is this past weekend. We went to the local Mullet festival. I always have taken hand/baby wipes to things like that. This year I found myself also tossing in a bottle of hand sanitizer. I have noticed sanitized wipes now at the grocery store along with hand sanitizer for public use. I make a point of buying dial liquid soap for hand washing. I make sure my laundry detergent has bleach in it. I keep hand sanitizer on all the sinks. I even started buying dish liquid that contains bleach so it will kill germs.

Then I think back to not only when I was a kid but even when my oldest was little. I can remember coming in for lunch and having to wash my hands, using the bar of soap that was used by the whole family. I would have these pretty little pink clean hands while from the wrists up I looked like I had climbed through the coal mines. I don't even want to remember what I'm sure I put in my mouth or stuck up my nose while playing. I was hardly ever sick.

I can remember my oldest son chewing on the handle of the shopping cart as I pushed him around the store. Of course I would tell him no, as soon as I turned around he would be right back at it. More times then not on an outing with him all I had in my purse was a dry kleenex. He is hardly ever sick either.

Now I would probably have a heart attack If I saw my grand-daughters put their mouths on something in the store. I would be right there with hand wipes, sanitizer and mouthwash if I could. They seems to be sick a lot more then their dad was when he was a kid.

On the other hand I also remember when I was a kid and you did get sick you stayed home from school. The rule of thumb back then was no school until the fever was gone for 24 hours. The other kids in the neighborhood were sent home with your work for you. My youngest had mono last year. When I asked about school I was told sure he can go as long as he feels up to it. Now short of hospitalization or near death you have to be in school.

I am now wondering if the germs are getting worse or are we just sanitizing ourselves into bigger and worse illnesses. There was an old saying when I was a kid, something along the lines of, a ounce of dirt is worth an pound of cure. I am starting to wonder if there some truth to that.

Lumbele
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07-12-2002

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 7:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lumbele a private message Print Post    
Biloxi, my g/f's mother always said, a child had to have eaten a pound of dirt by the time they started school. Some of these old wives tales are often sneered at, yet so often true.

Sometimes, I think we are overdoing this sterile thing. Doctors have also learned that they should not be prescribing antibiotics for every little thing like they did not all that long ago.

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
Hey! Good timing! Did you happen to see the Today show today? :-)
This was on the show:

Soap up! The 12 germiest places in your life
Could your purse be making you sick? ‘Health’ magazine on lurking viruses
Updated: 3:18 p.m. ET Oct 22, 2007

Sure, there are outbreaks of microbes and viruses across the country, but some of these germs are lurking where you least expect them. “Health” magazine senior editor Frances Largeman-Roth pinpoints the 12 germiest places you’re likely to encounter during an average day and devises ways for you to keep clean. After all, the fight is in your hands. Literally. Eighty percent of infections are spread through hand contact. So wash up, people, and get ready to wage a bit of germ warfare of your own:

1. Your kitchen sink
Kitchen sinks are dirtier than most bathrooms. There are typically more than 500,000 bacteria per square inch in the drain alone. Plus your sponge, basin and faucet handles are crawling with bacteria as well.

Reduce the risk: Clean your kitchen counters and sink with an antibacterial product after preparing or cleansing food, especially raw fruits and vegetables, which carry lots of potential pathogens like salmonella, campylobacter and E. coli. Wash your hands as well with warm, soapy water for 20 seconds (long enough to sing “Happy Birthday”). Sanitize sponges by running them through the dishwasher’s drying cycle, which will kill 99.9 percent of bacteria on them. As for the sink, clean it twice a week with a solution of one tablespoon of chlorine bleach and one quart of water. Scrub the basin, the pour solution down the drain.

2. Airplane bathrooms
It may not be a shock that there are a huge number of germs in most public bathrooms, but experts agree the cramped and overused ones on airplanes are the worst. There are often traces of E. coli or fecal bacteria on the faucets and door handles because it’s hard to wash hands in the tiny sinks. And the volcanic flush of the commode tends to spew particles into the air, coating the floor and walls with whatever had been swirling around in it.

Reduce the risk: Toilet seats are surprisingly clean, but use the paper cover when available. After using the toilet, wash and dry your hands thoroughly, and use a paper towel to handle the toilet seat, lid, tap and doorknob. Put the lid down before you flush. If there’s no lid, turn your back to the toilet while flushing and beat a hasty retreat.

3. A load of wet laundry
Any time you transfer underwear from the washer to the dryer, you’re getting E. coli on your hands. Just one soiled undergarment can spread bacteria to the whole load and machine.

Reduce the risk: Run your washer at 150 degrees (you can check the temperature of your washing-machine water with a candy thermometer) and wash whites with bleach (not the color-safe type; it doesn’t pack the same punch), which kills 99.9 percent of bugs. Transfer wet laundry to the dryer quickly so germs don’t multiply, wash underwear separately (there’s about a gram of feces in every pair of dirty underwear) and dry for at least 45 minutes. Wash your hands after laundering.

4. Public drinking fountains
Drinking fountains are bound to be germy, but school fountains are the worst, with anywhere from 62,000 to 2.7 million bacteria per square inch on the spigot.

Reduce the risk: Send your child to school with plenty of their own beverages and tell them to wash their hands throughout the day.

5. Shopping cart handles
Saliva, bacteria and fecal matter are just a few of the substances found on shopping cart handles. Cart handles rank high on the yuck scale because they’re handled by dozens of people every day and, of course, raw food carries nasty pathogens.

Reduce the risk: Many stores have dispensers with disinfectant wipes near the carts. If your store doesn’t, bring your own wipes and give the handle a quick swab. Or carry along a cart cover like the Grip-Guard or Healthy Handle.

6. ATM buttons
If you’re not careful, you might pick up more than quick cash from your local ATM. These buttons have more gunk on them than most public-bathroom doorknobs! ATMs aren’t frequently cleaned, and are regularly touched — a perfect combination for a lot of germs.

Reduce the risk: Carry an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with you and rub it on hands after visits. Also be sure to do it after you handle paper money, which actually carries quite a few germs, too.

7. Your handbag
Recent studies found that most women’s purses had tens of thousands of bacteria on the bottom and a few were overrun with millions. Another study found bugs like pseudomonas (which can cause eye infections) and skin-infection-causing staphylococcus bacteria, as well as salmonella and E. coli.

Reduce the risk: Instead of slinging your bag on the floor, hang it on a hook whenever possible — especially in public bathrooms — and keep your bag off the kitchen counter. Stick with leather or vinyl purses, which are typically cleaner than cloth.

8. Playgrounds
There’s just no way to put this delicately: Children tend to ooze bodily fluids and then spread them around. When researchers sampled playgrounds, they found blood, mucus, saliva and urine. Pair those findings with the fact that children put their fingers in their mouths and noses more than the rest of us, and it’s easy to understand why Junior (and maybe his mom or dad) has the sniffles.

Reduce the risk: Carry alcohol wipes or hand-sanitizing gel in your purse, and clean everybody’s hands a couple of times during a park visit, especially before snacking. Pick warm sunny days for outdoor play: The sun’s ultraviolet light is actually a very effective disinfectant. Most bugs won’t survive long on surfaces that are hot and dry.

9. Mats and machines at health clubs
Antibiotic-resistant staphylococcus has been found on yoga mats and cardio and resistance machines. At high schools, antibiotic-resistant-staph infections have been transmitted through wrestling mats. The same thing could happen at health clubs.

Reduce the risk: Wipe down machines with antibacterial wipes before working out. Bring your own yoga mat or cover a loaner with your towel. Shower after a workout and soap up your skin to rinse off any bacteria you may have been exposed to, as thorough washing gets rid of antibiotic-resistant staph.

10. Your bathtub
Shocking, but true: The place you go to get clean is quite dirty. A recent study found staphylococcus bacteria, a common cause of serious skin infections, in 26 percent of the tubs tested, as compared with just 6 percent of garbage cans. Tubs typically had more than 100,000 bacteria per square inch! You’re washing germs and viruses off your body and the tub is a fairly moist environment, so bacteria can grow.

Reduce the risk: Once a week, apply a disinfecting cleaner to the tub and actually scrub. Then you need to wash the germs down the drain with water and dry the tub with a clean towel. If you leave the tub wet, germs are more likely to survive. If someone who uses the tub has a skin infection, scrub it afterward with a solution of two tablespoons bleach in one quart of water.

11. Your office phone
This is enough to make you dial 911: Office phones often have more than 25,000 germs per square inch, and your desk, computer keyboard and mouse aren’t far behind. Phones, including cell phones, can be pretty gross because they get coated with germs from your mouth and hands.

Reduce the risk: Simply cleaning your desk, phone and keyboard with a disinfecting wipe once in the middle of the day will kill 99.99 percent of the bacteria and viruses.

12. The hotel-room remote control
What’s the first thing you do when you settle in at a hotel? You grab the remote control and switch on the TV — you, and the hundreds of other guests who’ve stayed there. How dirty is it? A recent study tested various surfaces for the cold virus after a group of sick people had stayed overnight and found the virus on the remote, door handles, light switches, pens and faucet handles.

Reduce the risk: Clean the remote control, phone, clock radio, door handles and light switches with germicidal wipes.

For more ways to fight germs, visit www.health.com

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21423163/

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 8:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Oh thank cod I didn't use the bathroom on the plane...

Urgrace
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08-19-2000

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Urgrace a private message Print Post    
This is why I wish someone would manufacture attractive toothbrush holders with covers.

Truthfully though, I knew a kid (when I was in school fifty years ago) whose mom was a sanitizing nut, and that kid was always sick! The rest of us washed our hands a few times a day, but were always playing on the playground, in the dirt, and put each other's pencils or band instruments in our mouths and were rarely sick. It was while we were sick that our mother's were clean freaks.

They say there are some microorganisms essential to our wellbeing and environment that are washed away with disinfectant, so we need to educate ourselves as to when, where and how much to use.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
Legend has it that on his deathbed, Louis Pasteur (founder of pasteurization and modern disease theory) cried out, "It's not the germ; it's the terrain!" The concept of the primacy of an intact life force--is at the heart of integrative natural medicine.

Eradicating germs bacteria etc is not an option, not even a good one and we tend to forget this planet is not just all about us.

So strengthening our own immune systems and balancing our lives I believe, is the only way to maintain health. We can't be lazy about nutrition, rest, stress management, spirituality, exercise etc and expect a pill or shot to heal us over and over again. JMTCW.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I agree with Dahli's comments regarding keeping healthy...you are right!

I have become obsessed with germs/bugs too--they seem to be having a noticable negative effect on my life lately. Did we mention pillowcases? I have become fixated on dust mites. I think I have them more than usual. My family think I need to go see the "special doctor" for my "irrational fears" of things crawling on my skin. I am still figuring out how to stay healthy in what seems like a toxic environment for me, i.e. my apartment/New York City.

I caught a powerful staph infection years ago in India. I stupidly cut my leg climbing a fence when I had been drinking. The staph entered my leg and tried to get to my heart, I am not kidding. I still have it ten years later, in a much reduced form. It has lowered my immunity--while attending art school the past two years I would often get very sick while others who were exposed to the same germs were fine.

So in short, the best thing you can do is be aware of your surroundings and take care of yourself. I also advocate stronger antibiotics. I know the arguments against it, but I just think our germs have evolved and it's time to bring out the big guns.

Ginger1218
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08-31-2001

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ginger1218 a private message Print Post    
I have become neurotic about germs too. I hate to touch door handles, I will not leave a bathroom without a paper towel to open the door. On a plane, I practically clean my seat and tray, etc. I buy individually wrapped hand sanitizers at Costco or BJs and carry them with me all the time.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
We also had a neighbor who was paranoid with her youngest son and literally would follow him and if he touched anything, she'd grab him and haul him inside to wash. My mom would roll her eyes and say just wait til he starts school and sure enough, within 10 days of starting school, he became very sick.

I think Dahli has it right.

And I worry more about shaking hands with someone or someone with a cold using my phone or keyboard than I do about some other things.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 4:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I have read that the increased use of antibacterial wipes and gels and such is likely to lead to the creation of more resistant bacteria...

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 4:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Lol after reading here I cleaned my desk phone and the keys on the fax machine at work.

Urgrace
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08-19-2000

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 5:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Urgrace a private message Print Post    
Mocha, I am watching NCIS and they have an agent on there tonight who is a germaphobe! LOL

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
Lum, I agree with you about old wives tales. There are some that have some merit. I also agree you on antibiotics. I am also a stickler for taking every single on that is prescribed until they are all gone. I also make sure they are taken around the clock. If it 3 times a day, I dose them every 8 hours. Same thing if they are 4 times a day, then it is every 6 hours around the clock. My MIL was/is the worst about saving some in case she gets sick at a later date. IMO all she is doing is making her illnesses stronger until no antibiotic will work on her. I told her that too of course she is going to do whatever she wants.

Babyruth, I didn't watch the Early Show, those are the reports that make me want to wear gloves, masks and wrap myself and family in bubble wrap. Guess who won't be going potty on an airplane any longer? Mad dash on landing though.

That was a good post Dahli. That kind of brings me back to earth and say "oh yeah". I am a big one on a good nights sleep. Of course that is an easy one for me. My husband and youngest son have a terrible time sleeping at night.

LOL Mocha. All my bathrooms were cleaned to the hilt yesterday. All the sheets and bedding were washed and the kitchen floor is going to be down on hands and knees washed today.

Ginger1218
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08-31-2001

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 7:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ginger1218 a private message Print Post    
When I go on the plane tomorrow, I am going to be wearing a plastic bag around myself LOL

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
We don't use antibiotics anymore, unless absolutely the last resort and they have an antifungal alongside. It's been a while and taking heavy duty probiotics and prebiotics before and after is a must. Have had good luck with oil of oregano and colloidal silver. knock on wood.

LOL Ginger you might be better off ( and less conspicuous) making sure you're well hydrated and lubed up by rubbing some almond oil or similar inside your nose before take off. Avoid touching your eyes ears and nose as much as possible and have fun!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 4:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
are we just sanitizing ourselves into bigger and worse illnesses.

yes, I have a friend with OCD who cleans and disinfects. Her child has had immune problems since she was a baby. neither my friend or her husband have this in their family.

I feel strongly it is due to the child being raised in a virtually sterile environment and being overly washed/ sanitized as a child.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 4:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
okay, I've now read the rest of the thread.

The place you go to get clean is quite dirty.

having some bacteria present is not dirty! until people change their view, this silliness will continue. DIRT is dirty, Greasy is greasy, having bacteria present will not kill you, it is off of your body.....so what if some will come back to live on your body. NORMAL FLORA is called normal because it IS normal to have bacterial life on our skin. Without this Normal layer of bacteria we would be in very bad condition.

A recent study found staphylococcus bacteria, a common cause of serious skin infections, in 26 percent of the tubs tested, as compared with just 6 percent of garbage cans.

some staph has toxins which are expelled by the bacteria. Staph, itself, is not considered a bad bacteria. Many of us right now carry staph in our noses so everytime we breathe, including when cooking, we are spraying the bacteria out infront of us.

as a person who has been trained in Microbiology and understand the issues I get really upset at the paranoia that the Cleaning Companies have caused in individulas.

Most of the so-called BAD bacteria do nothing but give you a bit of the runs if you happen to ingest something 'off'. Even the haemorragic E.coli is only a risk to the very old/ immunosuppressed or Young children who do not have fully functional immuno-systems.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 4:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
IMO all she is doing is making her illnesses stronger until no antibiotic will work on her.

she is correct. your premise is incorrect. in my opinion based on Bacteria knowledge.

The antibiotics start to work promptly , usually within a day or two, and the prescription is always for 'overkill' in order to try to guarantee complete bacteria death.

unfortunately this affects the whole body and often there is a secondary infection, sometimes yeast, because the body's normal flora has been killed.

if a person keeps getting the same exact bacterial infection over and over again, it shows that either they arent taking the full dose of Antibiotic OR a different form of bacteria has taken over.

for instance, a person can have pneumonia and it is klebsiella oxytoca. It is treated then a few weeks later it is Klebs. again. BUT the serogroup is different. It is not the same bacteria that was killed off a few weeks early. it is completely different.

POO! I didnt want this to become a lecture but most things arent going to kill us. It is sort of russian roulette but with very very low odds.

GREAT example I caught a powerful staph infection years ago in India. I stupidly cut my leg climbing a fence when I had been drinking. The staph entered my leg and tried to get to my heart, I am not kidding.

being drunk meant that your immunesystem was impaired for a couple of days, that allowed the Bacteria to multiply. If it was a routine type of staphy it probably wouldnt have been an issue but it sounds like you were septic, it got into your blood stream.

I am wondering if you feel you still have it, How do you know? have you had positive blood cultures due to the endocarditis?

Just curious.

a good longterm interveneous IV antibiotic regime should kill it off. just pills will not do it, in this case IMHO.

hope I'm helping and not just P*ssing people off.

I'm allergic to most store disinfectants. Good old fashioned Bleach, Borax, ammonia and 100% strength vinegar are my choices for cleaning....when I clean.

Sunshyne4u
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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 4:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html

The normal flora of humans is exceedingly complex and consists of more than 200 species of bacteria.

TABLE 1. BACTERIA COMMONLY FOUND ON THE SURFACES OF THE HUMAN BODY
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BACTERIUM Skin Conjunctiva Nose Pharynx Mouth Lower Intestine Anterior urethra Vagina


Staphylococcus epidermidis (1) ++ + ++ ++ ++ + ++ ++
Staphylococcus aureus* (2) + +/- + + + ++ +/- +
Streptococcus mitis + ++ +/- + +
Streptococcus salivarius ++ ++
Streptococcus mutans* (3) + ++
Enterococcus faecalis* (4) +/- + ++ + +
Streptococcus pneumoniae* (5) +/- +/- + + +/-
Streptococcus pyogenes* (6) +/- +/- + + +/- +/-
Neisseria sp. (7) + + ++ + + +
Neisseria meningitidis* (8) + ++ + +
Veillonellae sp. + +/-
Enterobacteriaceae* (Escherichia coli) (9) +/- +/- +/- + ++ + +
Proteus sp. +/- + + + + + +
Pseudomonas aeruginosa* (10) +/- +/- + +/-
Haemophilus influenzae* (11) +/- + + +
Bacteroides sp.* ++ + +/-
Bifidobacterium bifidum (12) ++
Lactobacillus sp. (13) + ++ ++ ++
Clostridium sp.* (14) +/- ++
Clostridium tetani (15) +/-
Corynebacteria (16) ++ + ++ + + + + +
Mycobacteria + +/- +/- + +
Actinomycetes + +
Spirochetes + ++ ++
Mycoplasmas + + + +/- +

Snip* The Benefits OF normal Flora

1. The normal flora synthesize and excrete vitamins in excess of their own needs, which can be absorbed as nutrients by the host. For example, enteric bacteria secrete Vitamin K and Vitamin B12, and lactic acid bacteria produce certain B-vitamins. Germ-free animals may be deficient in Vitamin K to the extent that it is necessary to supplement their diets.

2. The normal flora prevent colonization by pathogens by competing for attachment sites or for essential nutrients. This is thought to be their most important beneficial effect, which has been demonstrated in the oral cavity, the intestine, the skin, and the vaginal epithelium.

In some experiments, germ-free animals can be infected by 10 Salmonella bacteria, while the infectious dose for conventional animals is near 10 to the 6th (10,000,000) cells.


in other words HAVING bacteria keeps you resistant to some diseases.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 5:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Thanks for the diagnosis, Sun! I can still see it on my skin for time to time...those staph little grapes. India has some pretty strong germs...most Westerners I knew there got very sick with something or other. Guess it goes along with the theory that if you go from a relatively less germy area to a much more germy one you will catch something straight away. Mostly the staph is gone by a strong dose of Accutane...that really helped weaken it. Unfortunately my immune system is shot from it all.

Unfortunately I haven't had those tests done...no health insurance. But I know you know your stuff so I appreciate the advice.

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 5:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
IMO all she is doing is making her illnesses stronger until no antibiotic will work on her.

she is correct. your premise is incorrect. in my opinion based on Bacteria knowledge.


Wow Sun, thanks! I guess it is a good thing she does what she wants to do LOL. I love TVCH I learn something new almost everyday.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i'm thinking that she leaves the pills from the last day or two.

I am just guessing!! if she only takes them for Two days instead of two weeks then she IS Foolish. LOL Some bacterial infections are bad enough to warrant the full regime and NO stopping early. Depends what location it is and whether it is a repeat offender.

I'd hate to think that I'm endorsing someone's idiosy. My Mom used to save pills and I confess, i too will often stop meds a day or so before I'm supposed to.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
YIKES Nyheat. I aint diagnosing you!! i aint a doctor although I must seem just as arrogant LOL
I was trying to figure out what you mean about it 'almost' going to your heart.

Before you ask your doctor to be tested for Endocarditis (they'll think you are nutz LOL) I would make sure that the next two Skin infections are lanced and cultured. It would be interesting to know if it really is the same organism.

an ecg can pick up heart damage if you did have it affect you. I have no idea of whether you have ever discussed it with your doctor.

Good luck.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
By the way, did anyone notice the opportunistic pathogens on that posted list of NORMAL flora?

that is one of the reasons I am very against overly disinfecting the house and being too clean with skin/ genital areas. (douching)

So many people get upset when they hear about Meningitis yet look at the list, it can be Normally found in the Upper respiratory tract and wont cause a problem.

Ever have a cold and it seems to start getting better (especially if given antibiotics) and you feel almost okay, but still this weird cough stays for a couple of months.

Mycoplasma is a simple organism which moves in after a person is weakened. I used to get it everytime I had antibiotics for pneumonia. SIGH. now I'm overweight and just plain dont get colds/ flu anymore LOL


Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 7:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
See Sun that is the thing. She likes to think of herself as knowing more then then the doctors. She will actually tell you that. She says if she could write her own prescriptions she wouldn't even need them. Anyway she does only take them for a day or two once she feels better she saves for whatever the next infection might be. She will also have her husband under dose so she can save his pills. She likes to share pills with the family. My husband had a kidney stone which he tends to get. Of course she rushed over her with some of her "saved" antibiotics insisting he start on them so an infection doesn't set in. When I told her no that I had called the doctor she was quite offended. Her husband went as far as making the comment that if I had money to burn for a doctors appointment go right ahead. That afternoon they admitted him so they could remove the stone. My sister-in-law got a call from them saying it was all my fault. If I had listened to my mother-in-law all that could have been prevented.

Years ago she ordered a Physicians Desk Reference Book. She seems to think that made her a doctor and a Pharmacist. Her husband is in awe of just how much she knows.

The worst of times were when she would head over to Mexico and buy drugs by the trunk load. She would buy pain pills, arthritis medication, antibiotics and anything else she could get her hands on. She would try her damnest to shove it out on everyone. It caused many arguments between us. The worst and final one was when she sent over about 4 sheets of the arthritis meds. In January of 1991 my husband fell off a ladder and broke his hip, pelvis and wrist. They did no surgery and treated him with 10 weeks of traction. 4 weeks in the hospital and 6 weeks at home with the hospital set up in our living room. She was sure arthritis was going to set in, since she has it. Anyway these sheets of meds were expired by almost 2 years to begin with, not that I would have let him take them anyway. A month or so later she asked if I had any left she wanted to give some to my brother-in-law and I told her no I had tossed them in the trash. Oh my you should seen and heard the fireworks over that one. Maybe I was wrong to just throw them away but I still think that was the best place for them. I would have just refused them if she had handed them to me. I found them on my husbands bedside tray with hand written instructions on how he was suppose to take them after she had left.

BTW my husband has no trouble with that hip and arthritis has not set in.