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Rissa
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03-20-2006

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Biloxibelle, boy that sounds like a difficult relationship to maintain without coming to blows. You must be a very patient person. LOLOL My sister's best friend is a homoepathic nut. Don't get me wrong, a lot of that stuff works great (thats a whole other discussion) she just goes overboard. Her children are always sick and she just doesn't get that if what she's doing doesn't work then perhaps she should try something different. Anyway I just wanted to say that if I could suggest... never throw drugs in the trash, drop them off at the nearest pharmacy instead. Otherwise there is a risk that they will get into the water table.

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
Rissa I do have a lot of patience. To be honest it sounds a lot worse when you type it out then it truly is. All this has been over the 20 year period I have known her. It is just one of those little things we have learned to live with.

The bottom line is I am genuinely worried she is going to really ruin her health with these practices.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Biloxi I am halfway like your MIL, lol. My mom does the saving antiobiotics thing and I rarely take them if she sends me any. She is healthy as a horse anyway and has never had major health issues. I don't save pills but I have lost faith in antibiotics. I think the kind we get from general practitioners are just weak and ineffective.

I have my own issues with antibiotics...I took 3 (prescribed) courses for an ear infection this summer and they did nothing to help. This time I have an ear infection and took nothing--it has gotten better on its own. I also have a problem with doctors throwing pills at a problem that they have not taken the time to thoroughly investigate. This is also my fault because I don't keep going back and back. I can't afford it and I get frustrated with doctors. I have trust issues with them and end up thinking they don't know what they are doing. I have been to some pretty incompetent ones.

I will probably end up like your mother in law with the big physician's book lol. But I am not anti-medicine. I just don't have the money to follow-up. But if it came to surgery you bet I would be there with bells on.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I am both pleased and horrified at the same time. I use the CPS Canadian Pharmaceutical Guide a lot but am not nutty enough to buy one when every doctor's office and pharmacy has one so you can check the details.

I'm pleased that she is confident enough to read the CPS however A pharmacist goes to school LONGER technically, than a doctor. There is no way that woman UNDERSTANDS any of the details. I doubt if she even understands the technical language fully.

That scares the crap out of me. Especially deciding she knows better than Drs/ Pharmacists and Getting her own pills. We've had people DIE up here when using those wholesale nonpharmacy pills. I'd love to know how she crosses the border with those meds LOL

anyways, the pills are virtually useless after a certain time period, usually two years and COULD cause Physical damage if you take them after the chemicals change into other forms. Most meds are cleared by the liver or Kidney.

If you really wanted to 'get her riled up', the next time she starts going on and on about the meds ASK her to show you where she read it.
"Really? you can use the pills past the expiry date???? Can you show me in the guide where it says that?"

if you say it like she is really helping you out, She might have to ADMIT that it doesnt say that anywhere.

It could take the wind out of her sails.

If she really gets irritating you could tell her that you will report her for practicing medicine without a licence. The many times she has chosen not to go to dr, or let her husband go to dr and SHE has diagnosed and treated with meds...that is practicing without a licence and is illegal.

IN the USA though, there may be more tolerance for Self-medicating since the medical system is so screwed up.

MOST conditions and infections due to germs are selflimiting. In other words, resolve on their own with no treatment at all.

MY fear is that this headstrong woman is taking Antibiotics and meds when she DOESNT need to. and that is what is causing so many of these mutations.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 7:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Student's death likely caused by staph infection

A new case, this is local for me. I saw it on the news and sadly you can tell that this staph preys on the weak, the kid looked weakly beforehand. Turns out he had had previous illnesses. The infection does not hop from person to person, but preys on the weakest. It's awful but true.

If you and your loved ones are healthy then there is less to worry about. If you have had a recent illness and a weakened immune system, try your best to get no cuts and take extra precautions.

They said he broke out in boils as the staph spread, which is exactly what happened to me when I left India. Looking back, I am probably lucky to be alive.

Disclaimer: This is my opinion regarding how the infection spreads. I am not a professional and have zero medical training, but I had a form of this and its all too familiar.

ETA: Eccinechea is a natural enemy of staph--i bought it in lotion form at it helped control the infection.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/10/25/bacteria.staph/index.html

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 7:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
sorry, echinacea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinacea

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 11:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
opportunistic pathogen


Many of the bacteria in our normal flora will act as pathogens IF the body flora goes out of balance.

ie/ yeast infection/ Gangrene (sometimes)/ strep throat/ a break in the skin can lead to multiple infections as the natural bacteria in our skin goes Crazy.

like teenage Acne and PMS . it isnt because of being dirty. it is the hormonal imbalance

HEY, I never knew that about Echinacea...I knew tea tree oil is good though

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 11:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
that CNN article was kinda incorrect. The stat given for people carrying Staph was NOT applicable to the MRSA staph. That is not commonly cultured as a nonpathogen/carrier


Mind you, maybe things have gotten crazy, I've been out of micro for years.

Kstme
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08-14-2000

Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kstme a private message Print Post    
Was trying to find someplace to put this and it looks like this thread is the place! :-)

I cut my hand with a table knife almost 2 weeks ago. Yep, it's now infected. I 'do' carry staph in my system and have had issues with staph infections all my life. BUT, this is the first time I've ever had a hand knife wound become infected.

The doc has me on anti-biotics and if it isn't starting to heal in a week, I get to see a hand specialist. The darn thing is only about a quarter inch and I didn't think it was that deep. Last year, I had the staph infection in my ankle where I put that screw into it. ack! For someone who NEVER gets 'sick', this is the pits! The Lupus causes the delay in healing and since the Lupus is over-active, right now, the healing didn't happen and infection did.

So, I'm feeling very yukky about germs, at this moment!

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 4:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
(((Kstme))) Ouch, it sounds painful! Hope the antibiotics do the trick and turn this around for you before it gets more serious.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 4:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
You put a screw into your ankle??!! Oh my!!!! That sounds mighty painful

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Sorry to hear it, Kstme! So pesky these problems and bothersome when they won't go away. You know the drill--keep it clean and be careful. Please keep us posted.

I feel like I may be dealing with a parasite. Swollen glands in the neck, unexplainable biting, crawling, and itching, and finding little sand-like things in my nose. I feel general malaise, brain fog, fatigue, just out of it in general. Sorry, very, very gross! This has been the year of pests for me and I hope it ends soon because oh MY GAWD.

Urgrace
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08-19-2000

Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Urgrace a private message Print Post    
Kstme, do we have to send Wargod over there to cut things up for you so you'll stop doing stuff like that? Sending positive thoughts your way that you can nip it early and clear up the infection.

Nyheat, that sounds very uncomfortable. Good luck with clearing up your mystery.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 7:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Thanks Urgrace! So sorry I hijacked this thread with my issues. Just I never met a skin condition that didn't like me. It's my "thing."

Hope you are hanging in there Kstme.

Kstme
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08-14-2000

Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kstme a private message Print Post    
YES, send War!!!!

Well, crap! Had a MAJOR adverse reaction to the Cipro, so we're going to try getting this healed without antibiotics. LOTS of peroxide and silver-osorb. I feel so zoomed out of my mind, right now, it isn't funny. Last night, I was sick as a dog and I'm going to be so happy to have this stuff completely out of my system! :-)

Urgrace
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08-19-2000

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Calamity
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10-18-2001

Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 1:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Kstme: So sorry about your accident! If I may offer a bit of advice-learned-the-hard-way - try soaking your hand in a pan of warm (not hot) water with a bit of Dreft powder detergent mixed in. I had to have hand surgery for a cat bite that became seriously infected and the nightly Dreft baths really eased the post-surgery discomfort and helped clear what was left of the infection. Hand infections can really hurt because there's lots of nerve endings there.

Sorry you're not feeling well, Nyheat.

Kstme
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08-14-2000

Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 2:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kstme a private message Print Post    
Thank you, Calamity. I will buy some Dreft this afternoon.

Gracie, LOL, THANK YOU! I, really, truly, honestly HATE being such a klutz!!!!

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 8:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
I've heard about peroxide which has mixed reviews on cuts as it supposedly tears up the flesh, but what is silver-osorb? Is it similar to ionic or colloidal silver? That is what we use around here and that stuff heals up paper cuts and other wounds so fast it's amazing!

Hope it turns around soon for you my fellow klutz!

Kstme
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08-14-2000

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 8:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kstme a private message Print Post    
Dahli, I brought the silver stuff downstairs, so I could get the name correctly spelled. I was more of a dingbat than usual, yesterday. It is called SilvaSorb Gel Silver antimicrobial wound gel. I was given this stuff when I had the puncture wound last year and the wound doc called it a 'miracle wound healing gel'. I've kept it around the house ever since. You don't need a prescription for it, but you do have to a pharmacist order it for you.

You are right about the peroxide. Today is the last day I use it. I was supposed to use it for 3 days.

'I' think the cut is looking better...:-)

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
Yaaaay! That's very good news Kstme....

We use silver for many things and I wouldn't be without it ever. It's in a spray bottle for wounds and cuts, dropper for eye infections, orally for colds stomach aches (food poisening) and nasal spray thingy for nose - DH has not had ANY MORE sinus infections while using that. Antibiotics never worked for him and two years ago they had him on course after course... dummies!

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 12:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Superbug succeeds by blowing up defender cells, scientists learn

The aggressive antibiotic-resistant staph infection responsible for thousands of recent illnesses undermines the body's defenses by causing germ-fighting cells to explode, researchers reported Sunday. Experts say the findings may help lead to better treatments.[...]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/11/11/staph.discovery.ap/index.html

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 6:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
guess I should have checked in here before you started the Abix.

Good old fashioned warm salt water soak.

Very little can survive in the presence of salt, which is why it is a great cure for a sore throat/ cold. The Minute you get that tickle, start gargling with salted water.

Dont be surprised if you dont get the cold/ flu that everyone else you know is fighting

Racsan
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04-09-2004

Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Racsan a private message Print Post    
Are Antimicrobial Soaps Breeding Tougher Bugs?Some Experts Say Risks Outweigh Benefits

By Ranit Mishori
Special to The Washington Post
Tuesday, November 13, 2007; Page HE01

If cleanliness is next to godliness, modern America is the land of the faithful -- fighting the good fight against today's so-called superbugs with sparkling countertops and well-washed hands.

Our culture's cleanliness obsession has been fed by a booming business in household products that promise the virtue of sterility. According to estimates by the Environmental Protection Agency, our antimicrobial crusade has us spending almost $1 billion annually on soaps and detergents, toys and cutting boards, bedsheets and toothbrushes, all of them treated with chemical compounds designed to kill the germs that cling to them. At the forefront of this product niche is the antimicrobial hand wash, commonly fortified with the bug-battling chemical triclosan.

It may be a dangerous, germ-filled world out there, but with your little bottle of -- choose one: Dial, Safeguard, Palmolive -- you can stroll worry-free through it.

Or so you may think.....

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 2:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
all of them treated with chemical compounds designed to kill the germs

and unfortunately killing us too. Those chemicals are deemed to be safe but many people like myself react to them which causes further lowering of the immune system.

I know an OCD compulsive cleaner who constantly is ill with colds and flu. I think it is the obsessive use of disinfectants in the house and hand cleaners. She has them in her purse, in the car and around the house incase the sudden urge to clean hands hits her.

Her daughter now has immune problems IMHO since she was practically sterilized from birth.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 4:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
just thought I'd throw a little old fashioned Homecure suggestion here...since my family told me that they feel like they are getting colds.

A common problem at Christmas eh>? all that running around shopping and TOUCHING stuff LOL

anyways, Viruses and most germs HATE salty water. Gargle with Warm salty water a few times a day and just before bed. A sore throat will usually be gone in a DAY and the cold you thought you were getting will leave without making you as sick as usual.

Good Luck !

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 10:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Salt water doesn't cure a cold. A cold is a virus, and salt water has no effect on viruses. Salt water can reduce the symptoms of a cold, such as a sore throat, by killing the bacteria causing the soreness. I think it also helps to remove the stuff left by a postnasal drip (mucus), which will also help relieve a sore throat. Salt water gargling doesn't cure the cold but reduces the symptoms.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
well anything that reduces the symptoms feels like a cure to me!!! :-)

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, December 31, 2007 - 11:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
thx Dr Costacat!!

Sunshyne4u
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Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 12:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
snip* Saline rinses also serve to reduce tissue swelling

½ to 1 teaspoon non-iodized salt (such as pickling or canning salt)
Pinch of baking soda (to prevent burning – can increase the amount as needed)
1 cup of warm water (filtered or previously boiled water)

An ancient yogic cleansing technique, called Jala neti, involves nasal irrigation using a neti pot, a ceramic container resembling a tea pot. It is still done today in many parts of India and Southeast Asia and the practice is now done in North America, Europe, and Australia by health conscious people.


upon rereading my post I can see where it isnt clear what I actually do. Hot Pickled Banana pepper juice from the jar OR vinegar Salty Water.

My comment is incorrect as there are some viruses that are fine with Salty water. There are salt water lakes etc that are full of viruses and bacteria...but the kind that affects our bodies are a little different than environmental kind.

I was going to post links but they are really pretty hard reading! some of that research papers sure is written difficult for laymen.

Sia
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03-11-2002

Friday, March 28, 2008 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sia a private message Print Post    
Can anyone please advise: I had MRSA last summer following a botched hernia surgery at our small-town hospital, had to have infected incision opened and drained a month after possibly defective Bard Composix Kugel hernia mesh patch was used, then finally ended up having the infected, tearing-loose hernia patch removed at OSU by professional surgeons. Anyway, how will having had MRSA affect my health long-term? Will normal bugs make me super-sick? My kids recently had a fever and virus that ran its course without medical intervetion, but the same illness (same time they had it) had me flat on my back for over a week. I thought I'd die. Does my having had MRSA have something to do with how severely this virus hit me?

Sia
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03-11-2002

Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sia a private message Print Post    
Writing to add that a good ten-minute soak in HOT-HOT water with Epsom salt is an excellent treatment for cuts and scratches--AND cat bites. Salt is so healing. Btw, I haven't been able to get my kids to brush their teeth with salt or baking soda (for the cleaning effect of these mild abrasives), so we just tried a little SUGAR on the toothbrush, followed by regular brushing with normal toothpaste. Bright, sparkling teeth; the sugar crystals were abrasive like salt crystals would have been. Anyone think this is a bad idea? It seems to work for my DD. Son is napping, but I'm gonna try when he wakes up.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Sia, I am sure that toothpaste is good enough (with flosssing) by itself. I am no expert but I just cannot imagine that brushing sugar on teeth is a good idea. I would think that would break down the enamel for sure.

And also, is your son sick? I can't imagine my son taking a nap ever! And your son is something like 3 years older than Ryan.

Also hope you feel better fast! Sounds like you went through a very tough time! I can only imagine that maybe your defenses are weakened from the MRSA?? Also, keep in mind that people who are close to alcoholics (such as wives) are often sick a lot of the time. The stress just wears them down. By the way, have you checked out that online Alanon at all yet?

Hope you are feeling better!