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Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 11:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I would mention to the manager when you take it in that apparently something was inadvertently knocked out of place when they were working on the car. If this is the case, they can easily correct their mistake (at no charge, of course).

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 11:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
the question I have is...WHY would it affect the wipers at all?

The drivers side mirror is Electrical?? Some of them are wired for warmth. If they interrupted the power, it is possible that the Computer/ system needs to be completely reset. THey are making new cars so ridiculous!! Even the stereo can go completely wacky after work is done.

IF you had a regular mirror installed, there is no way you can prove they were under the hood.

It is possible that you already damaged the wiper transmission by having it work so hard to try to remove the snow. There are little pegs inside..like gears....that makes the wipers go back n forth.

They can snap off due to stress. I oughta know. I made the mistake of turning off my car with the windshield wipers left on, then It snowed and froze. the next day I turned on the car and Immediately the wiper motor burned out.

I like Nyheat's suggestion of making sure it isnt just the fuse first.

second thing that could be tested is whether power is going to the motor. sometimes if the hood is open you can hear it trying to work.

I would be highly suspicious of the garage as well. I'd be tempted to cancel the 'inspection' and get a second opinion/ investigation done by another place.

Wouldnt mention a word about your suspicions. I've found that mechanics all cover for each other.

I could really be nothing more than the Mirror Guys forgot to reset the system or something.

IF it is the Wiper transmission they may try to get you to buy TWO parts. You might just need one, and some are easily found in Autowrecking yards/ Autosalvage places.

I was quoted $273 for the part in the garage Plus extra for installation.

I could have got the part for $50 in the salvage.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 11:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
oh I forgot to say GOOD luck and let us know what it ended up being.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 11:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I would go back there and say that the wipers haven't worked since you picked the car up and you need them to find out what the problem is. I think it might be something simple like they knocked a wire when they were installing the mirror. They're going to be cagey and say there's no way it could have happened but hopefully they will see what it is during the inspection, it'll be simple, and they'll just fix it.

I suspect if it's something big you're going to be very firm if you want them to fix it without charge, but hopefully that won't happen. Really you can't prove anything, although it seems most likely they did it. It sucks, but I think you're just going to have to hope they are a good company. I hate stuff about the car because things like this always happen and you just have to trust that you're not being conned.

ETA I like Merrysea's wording for when you initially get there. Just don't be too agressive about it or they'll get defensive.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 11:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I should add that I vaguely remember this happening to me--the windshield wipers not working and having a mechanic say it was the windshield "motor." I had it replaced and it broke down again later. Then I found out about the fuse thing and realized I probably got bamboozled. Don't fail for that; try replacing the fuse yourself first.

But do whatever you think is best--that's just my advice/experience. Good luck!

Unfortunately, I got ripped off constantly when I had my Blazer because it kept falling apart.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 12:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
I cleaned off the windshield before I left the house so the only snow I was removing with the wipers was the loose snow blowing up from the hood, so I know it wasn't stress on the wipers. The mirror that was replaced was just the glass and not the assemblage, so they shouldn't have needed to go under the hood. The car is a 1991 so its an old car but in extremely good condition. We bought it from a friend who's a mechanic so we know for a fact it was in great shape mechanically. Maybe the wipers did just happen to quit working today but it was quite a coincident if so. I think maybe I should just act like "oh, you won't believe what happened when I left here". I don't want to act too "blaming" and make them defensive but I also don't want to pay an arm and leg for a new wiper motor. If I knew where the fuses were I'd get a fuse and change it myself. I've only had the car for a month so I don't know. Maybe, I'll "suggest" that when he was changing out the mirror it shook a wire loose. I don't know. I really hate to think someone is purposely doing this, but I've gotten more cynical in my old age. LOL

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 6:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
I would go back in and ask them - "do you think it is possible that when they were fixing the window yesterday that something got knocked loose or unplugged? When I left here, my windshield wipers did not work, and they worked on the way over. While you are checking it, could you also please check the fuse?"

I am thinking it IS their fault but it is probably something fairly simple.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 7:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Yeah, that sounds good. Thanks, Juju. My appt. is at 11. Wish me luck. This better not cost me a lot of money or I'm gonna be PO'd.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 8:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Twinkie, having dealt with lovely NY winters, and salty roads...

If you see it isn't the fuse (heck even before you try that standing on your head thing to find them!), turn on your wipers. Go out and manually try to move each one. Sometimes the salty spray from the roads just buggers up the works. If it does work, spray some WD-40 on them to keep the salt away.

Good luck to ya!

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Must be some kind of voodoo working on my wipers. When I went out to the car they worked just fine. Go figure. LOL

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Maybe they got wet from what he did and have dried. Or just gremlins. Glad you didn't have to stress at the mechanic's anyway.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Juju fixed them

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
The best of all possible outcomes--they were just being hinky. Happy Friday!

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 4:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Juju2bigdog fixed Twinkie's windshield wipers!!! Yay!!!



Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 4:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Wait till she gets the bill!

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
ROFL!!

That was some good Juju you put on them, Juju!

<forwarding bill to Jimmer>

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Oh no!!!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 3:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
they were frozen!
and now they've thawed....Thats my theory, i'm stickin to it LOL

good timing, can you imagine how embarrassing it would have been to tell them that the wipers werent working and they actually DO! Mechanics look down on us regular folks already...heck, they never believe us when we tell them about Knocks, thunks and whines.

I think every time I've had something wrong its taken four trips into the garage. SIGH

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 3:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
NEW QUESTION:

I got this email from a good friend. She has sent me several before with the same sentiment. I let the first few go, because she really is a sweet and good person. But I am getting more and more irritated that she seems so insensitive to illegal aliens.

I want to reply to her (as well as all the others she sent this to). I really do not want to come across too condescending or outraged. I would like to be gentle and just make her think about it. Read it here, then I will post what I am thinking of replying with.

>> Please read to the bottom and forward it to someone, anyone.   Don't  just delete.  The 1000th person to sign should send to the  President.
>>
>> Subject:  Social Security
>>
>> Mom was a homemaker and Dad worked all his life and paid into SS. 
>> Dad  has passed away and now Mom can barely make ends meet.  While  the 
>> possible 'illegal' alien in front of her at the grocery store 
>> buys  the name brands, Mom goes for the generic brands and day 
>> old' breads.
>>
>> She doesn't have out of state calling on her phone, because she 
>> can't afford it and shops at the thrift shops and dollar stores.  
>> She  considers having a pizza delivered once a week 'eating out'. 
>> She grew  up during the depression, watched her husband go 
>> overseas to fight in  WW II a year after their marriage, an d then 
>> they went on to raise,  feed and clothe 5 children, struggling to 
>> pay tuition for parochial  schools.
>>
>> The Senate voted this week to allow 'illegal' aliens access to 
>> Social Security benefits. I'm sorry, but how can the Senate 
>> justify this  slap in the face to born and bred, or naturalized, 
>> citizens. It is  already impossible to live on Social Security 
>> alone. If they give  benefits to 'illegal' aliens who have never 
>> contributed, where does  that leave those of us who have paid into 
>> Social Security all our  working lives?
>>
>> This is an opportunity to sign a petition that requires 
>> citizenship  for eligibility to receive Social Services.  If you 
>> do not wish to  sign the petition yourself, please forward on to 
>> anyone you think  might be interested.
>>
>> If you don't forward the petition and just stop it, we will lose 
>> all these names.
>>
>> If you do not want to sign it, please just forward it to anyone 
>> who  might want a voice.  Thank you!
>>
>> To add your name, click on 'forward.' You will be able to add 
>> your  name at the bottom of the list and then forward it to your 
>> friends.
>>
>> WILL THE 1,000th PERSON TO SIGN, PLEASE SEND IT ON TO THE 
>> FOLLOWING E- MAIL ADDRESS:
>> President@WhiteHouse.gov  ( mail to:President@WhiteHouse.gov )
>>
>> PETITION FOR PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH
>> Mr. President: The petition below is a protest against the recent  
>> vote of the senate which was to allow illegal aliens access to 
>> our  social security!  We demand that you and all congressional  
>> representatives require citizenship for anyone to be eligible for  
>> social services in the United States.
>>
>> 1. Mary Takami , Calif.
>> 2. Connie Dodd , Calif.
>> 3. Frank Beirau , Calif.

it goes on and on til number 929...


So I want to say something like who are we to judge that "mom" is more deserving that the illegal alien? Plus how do you know that person is "illegal" and would that really make a difference in your eyes? OR what if you knew this illegal alien had a 10x harder life than "mom?" OR At least "mom" lived her whole life in the USA where she had the opportunity to open a savings account or invest in the stock market or save for her retirement. I doubt this "illegal alien" had the same opportunities. (Not to mention it seems that the "illegal alien" is being judged by their looks. Isn't that racist?)

I really want to say something short and sweet, yet something that gets my meaning across. Any ideas or should I just let it go???

Thanks for any input!

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Julie...maybe your friend is just forwarding it without actually reading it through.
Maybe you could ask her if she's just forwarding, or if she'd like to discuss the content with you; and maybe you could suggest that she read things thoroughly before forwarding it to you.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Julie, my Uncle was sending me a ton of Hillary bashing e-mails. I wrote to him and asked him to stop sending me anything like that because she is my choice for President. I told him that I was not going to open any more e-mails that even hinted they were about politics.

Just be forthright with your friend and tell her what you believe. It's the only way to stop people from shoving garbage down your throat.

Nyheat
Member

08-09-2006

Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 4:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I think that the bill has been misrepresented--Snopes and other debunking sites say that's not quite what that bill was about.

In brief, the vote asked whether illegal immigrants who had used false Soc. Sec. #s and had thus paid into the system should therefore receive benefits, as in reality they had paid in--just not as legal citizens.

Further, it seems that the real issue was that in the future, these illegals would become legal if this broader bill was passed and therefore they should be allowed access to Soc. Sec. regardless.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/socialsecurity.asp

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 5:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Oh, and to further give some advice--well, personally I hate spam, any spam, whether dumb joke e-mails or political ones or what have you. I always tell my sister or anyone else who sends me spam that I never open it and delete it immediately, no matter what the content. Usually they eventually stop.

But if you want to be more specific, maybe tell her there is more than meets the eye in these immigration policies and direct her to the US Senate web page, whcih expains every bill in full, who voted for it, and whether or not it passed.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 5:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I have tried two approaches with a FIL whose spam is out of control. Neither has worked for me (sigh) but perhaps you will have better luck.

1) I have told him that (like Nyheat) I do not read or open anything that resembles Spam but I would love it he would drop me a note from time to time and let me know how he is doing.

2) I have completely played dumb and told him that I must have misunderstood the point of the email because it came across as completely rascist and intolerant and I am sure he would never send me anything like that.

Like I said, hasn't worked for me. LOL

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 8:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Julieboo, I just went through the same decision with a former neighbor of mine whose daughter married a man of Mexican origin and who has three grandchildren who appear very Mexican in appearance. I was appalled that she would be sending out immigrant hate e-mails. After about the third one, I finally sent her this reply:
(the original article was in the Miami Herald and was reprinted in The Brownsville, TX Herald)
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I don't enjoy reading these anti-immigrant e-mails, mainly for the reasons set out under Myth Number Two. It encourages the now popular notion that it is okay for Americans to hate and discriminate against all Hispanic looking people.

Here is a good opinion piece on the subject:

THE OPPENHEIMER REPORT
Five myths of anti-immigration talk
Sun, Jan. 13, 2008
BY ANDRES OPPENHEIMER

It's time to debunk the biggest myths of the antiimmigration movement that has swept this country over the past two years, and may still have an impact on the 2008 presidential race: that they are not anti-Hispanic nor oppose legal immigration, but are only against ''illegal'' immigration.

Before we get into why most U.S. Republican presidential hopefuls -- with the exception of Sen. John McCain -- and cable television anti-immigration crusaders on CNN and Fox News are deceiving the public with their claim that they are only against ''illegal'' immigration, let me tell you what brings me to address this issue.

Last week, after I wrote about the loss of ''antiimmigration'' candidates in the New Hampshire primary, I was instantly flooded with more than 100 e-mails that almost unanimously criticized me for labeling Republican hopefuls Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and others as ''anti-immigration'' candidates.

They are not ''anti-immigration,'' but anti-''illegal'' immigration, the readers said, almost in unison. So here goes my respectful response to this and other big myths of the anti-immigration movement:

• Myth No. 1: ''We are only against illegal immigration. Undocumented immigrants should get in line for visas.'' That's deceptive because you can't demand that people get into line when, for the most part, there is no line to get into.

While the U.S. labor market is demanding 1.5 million mostly low-skilled immigrants a year -- and will demand many more in coming years, as the U.S. population becomes increasingly educated -- the current immigration system allows into the U.S. an average of one million legal immigrants a year, and most of them are already here.

''There is a huge mismatch between what the U.S. labor market needs and the supply of immigration visas,'' says Frank Sharry, head of the National Immigration Forum, which advocates both secure borders and a path to legal residence for many of the 12 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

On top of that, most anti-immigration groups want to reduce legal immigration. The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a favorite of radio and cable television Hispanic immigrant-bashing news shows, wants to reduce legal immigration from the current 1 million a year to about 300,000, with a 20-year cooling-off period.

• Myth No. 2: ''Anti-immigration advocates are not anti-Hispanic.'' Maybe many aren't, but when was the last time you heard anti-immigration Republican hopefuls or cable television talk show hosts lashing out against illegal immigrants from Canada?

In addition, the escalating immigration hysteria has created an ugly environment that affects all Hispanics -- both legal and undocumented -- in many parts of the country, as recent studies by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center have shown.

''We are seeing more discrimination and harassment,'' says Michele Waslin, of the Immigration Policy Center. ``Anybody who is Hispanic-looking or has an Hispanic last name is being treated as an undocumented immigrant.''

• Myth No. 3: ''We are a nation of laws, and the law says you have to enter the country legally.'' Yes, but we are also a nation of immigrants. And, by the way, nearly half of all undocumented immigrants enter the country legally, and overstay their visas.

• Myth No. 4: ''Building a border fence will solve the problem.'' Wrong. As long as the per capita income in the United States is five times bigger than that of Mexico, and as long as U.S. labor market demands millions of low-skilled jobs that Americans won't fill, people will jump over the fence, dig tunnels under it or come through Canada.

• Myth No. 5: Those of us who criticize anti-immigration groups are ''amnesty'' and ''open borders'' supporters. Baloney. I, for one, support both border protection and an earned path to legalization for millions of undocumented workers who pay taxes and are willing to learn English.

My conclusion: Let's call things by their names, and agree that most opponents of a comprehensive immigration package are anti-immigration.

The only way to solve the current immigration crisis will be to legalize undocumented workers who have paid their dues, and to increase economic integration with Mexico and the rest of Latin America in order to reduce poverty and emigration pressures south of the border. The rest is, for the most part, populist demagoguery.
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