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Twinkie
Member
09-24-2002
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 9:05 pm
OMG Pamy!!! That's hilarious!!!
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Egbok
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 9:10 pm
Hahaha, good question Eeyore! However, if you know Pamy, she's capable of doing anything...Pamy, Pamy, Pamy....you are too funny!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 9:11 pm
LOL Eeyyore! the pup had been in a cage and apparently rolled in it and it was on side of her face/neck and on her paws, so as she was licking me she had her paws on my face
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 9:29 pm
Listening to the weather guy on CNN. He seems to think that the winds are beginning to decrease intensity. Each day the highest winds are not as high as the day before. Based on this, he expects that the winds tomorrow will be much more manageable for the firefighters to work with. They should be able to get good control of a lot more of these fires over the next two days. I certainly hope he is right.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:01 pm
Pamy, you are cuter'n'shit.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:02 pm
Whew.. OK, I've had contact from everyone I was worried about!! I got an email from DH's cousin and she said her mom is fine, as is her sister. She's near some of the fires but they're not in danger, just a lot of smoke. My friend Dan called and he's moved into the city of San Diego and lives in the same neighborhood as Costa and my other friend now. He said he and his girlfriend were at the stadium volunteering yesterday and she was there again tonight, but he had to work. He said it was crazy he had just gotten to the stadium yesterday and suddenly someone came up to him with a TV crew and were asking how he was! Yep, we love our Navy and our Airforce men, but I have to put in a shout-out for the Army. Dan was a paratrooper in the Army for 5 yrs and has been out about 2yrs and there he is volunteering at the stadium. Our service people ROCK! 
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:12 pm
Glad you made contact with everyone, Watching. Good to know that family is doing alright.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:20 pm
I agree, our service people do ROCK!!! Kind of a sad letter to the editor today pointing out that in the past we had our local Marine base at El Toro and not only would some of them be involved in various disaster work, but planes would be able to refuel right there. But the base was decomissioned and the City of Irvine made quite a power grab and promise a Great Park, said to be like Balboa Park in San Diego or Central Park in NYC, but which clearly will end up costing a total fortune and gradually is getting smaller as they add in housing, businesses.. The Marines are missed in south county. I'm thinking about Bee tonight, too...
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:27 pm
Hopefully, Bee will be able to return home by the weekend. Just putting the thought out into the universe.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:32 pm
From the OC Register site; Wildfire: The latest on the Santiago fire Los Alamitos Race Course can accept up to 180 horses, but they cannot accept any other type of livestock. Enter the race track at 4961 Katella Ave. in Los Alamitos. Horse owners must bring their own supplies, including food, and will have to care for their own horses. Water is available on site. - 11:10 p.m. The Orange County Fire Authority said at 10:30 p.m. that the Santiago fire had reached 19,200 acres. - 10:49 p.m. The fire is moving east/southeast, and a strike team returned to Modjeska Canyon, battling a small flareup, concentrating on Modjeska and Cook's Corner. Fire crews had earlier pulled out because conditions were too dangerous. - 10:42 p.m. The Orange County Fire Authority estimates up to 12 houses have burned in the Modjeska Canyon area -- the total so far in the Santiago fire. Nearly 600 firefighters and 120 engines and trucks are still battling ridgeline blazes in the canyon areas. - 10:31 p.m. === This is a bit confusing, since people had reported that all of Modjeska was "gone". === Another article:
quote:Tuesday, October 23, 2007 Fire headed towards forest, authorities fear LATEST UPDATE: Cleveland National Forest announces closure as flames spread outward from Modjeska and Silverado canyons. By GWEN DRISCOLL, ERIKA CHAVEZ and KIMBERLY EDDS THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER Comments 10| Recommend 192 The Santiago fire that burned at least ten houses in Modjeska Canyon and forced the evacuation of residents in much of the canyon areas of east Orange County was headed east towards the Cleveland National Forest as of Tuesday night. The Cleveland National Forest announced it would close Tuesday evening in response to four San Diego county fires burning in its vicinity. The Santiago fire, if it reached the forest, would be the fifth. “We don't want it to be in there because we'll be fighting it for a long time,” said Kris Concepcion, a battalion chief for the Fire Authority. The fire grew by more than 2,000 acres Tuesday; fire officials estimate its overall size at nearly 18,000 acres. Nearly 600 firefighters were on the lines but fire officials said the flames were 30 percent contained, an estimate that had not changed in more than 24 hours. Orange County Fire Authority officials said they were working hard to establish a perimeter between the fire and the forest's 566,866 acres of flammable brush, trees and grass. But Concepcion said the fire may have already reached the forest. “We may already be there. The point is not to let it get too far in,” he said. The fire's movement towards the hilly and roadless area of the forest will make firefighting even harder, according to Chris Caswell, a Fire Authority spokesman. “Conditions in the canyons are perilous,” Caswell said. “Firefighters have limited entrances and exits in the rugged country, making it difficult to save homes and keeping firefighters safe.” “Everyone has to be extra cautious going in,” Caswell said. “When they decide to commit (to making a stand) they have to know how they're going to get in and how they're going to get out.” Concepcion said firefighters would increasingly have to hike in to the fire's location. Flames from the Santiago fire burned out of control for a third night in Orange County, causing an estimated $10 million in damage and moving relentlessly through the canyon areas from Silverado to Trabuco. Some 2,000 people were ordered to evacuate from Silverado Canyon; about 900 more were told to leave nearby Modjeska Canyon. Mandatory evacuation orders are in place for Modjeska, Silverado, Williams, Baker, Ladd, Black Star, Holy Jim, Trabuco and Live Oak Canyons. Among the houses that burned in Modjeska Canyon was a well-known geodesic dome house at 28041 Modjeska Grade Road. Another house, known locally as “the chateau,” burned across the ridgeline. The Orange County Fire Authority's four helicopters were joined by four air tankers Tuesday afternoon, the first time large-scale air support has been used to fight the Santiago fire since flames broke out Sunday evening. The National Weather Service predicted winds would slow towards evening. But it extended a “Red Flag” warning of extreme fire danger into Wednesday, based in part on single-digit humidity and temperatures in the 90s, and said that the region will face “explosive fire growth potential.” Concepcion said winds were now flowing from both the east and the west and that the “opposing and battling winds will make it more difficult” to fight the flames. Concepcion said local battalions were finally getting outside help, including Los Angeles city firefighters and teams from Yuba City and elsewhere. “We still have some unfilled resource requests but we're not screaming for help like we were yesterday,” said Concepcion. Cook's Corner went from being a staging area to endangered Tuesday afternoon. The landmark motorcycle tavern and restaurant was evacuated at approximately 3:30 p.m. as flames swept over the hill in Modjeska Canyon. Residents said firefighters told them to evacuate immediately. “It's coming toward us,” said Rhonda Palmeri, the tavern's event coordinator. “We're getting the food out right now.” As of 8 p.m. Tuesday night, the restaurant was still standing, Concepcion said. "They really haven't said anything other than the resources they have in there have done the best that they could," said Jessie Morris, a Modjeska Canyon resident who evacuated Monday night. "I know they're doing the best they can." Not every resident was as understanding. "There should be more planes here, the wind has died down, " said Shivji Savdharia, a resident of Wood Canyon in Silverado Canyon. Fullerton Fire Capt Dave Apple defended firefighting efforts, saying he had seen multiple water drops in the area. Fire officials said they expect to be fighting the fire at least into the weekend, and possibly for as long as two more weeks. The Santiago fire's three points of origin – all near the intersection of Silverado Canyon and Santiago Canyon Road – make county fire officials think the fire was deliberately set. Fire officials ask the public to phone in tips to the Orange County Fire Authority Arson Tip Line at 800-540-8282.
Included is Bee's area. And that address for the dome.. I lived at 28681 Modjeska Canyon Road when I was there.. but I'm not sure how close that is because numbers can be strange out there.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:35 pm
There are more links on this page, more stories LINK
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:43 pm
Very sad report, Sea.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 12:00 am
If anyone is interested in helping/supporting your wildland firefighters this is a good site. Our Story Active volunteers and supporters of wildland firefighters established the Wildland Firefighter Foundation, a 501(c)3 to maintain the Wildland Firefighters National Monument at the National Interagency Fire Center (NIFC) in Boise, Idaho. Since 1999, the Foundation has also provided emergency support services to the families of seriously injured and firefighters killed in the line of duty. Families left behind, many with young children, often find themselves with few resources, and the Foundation steps in to help. Our Mission Wildland Firefighter Foundation's main focus is to help families of firefighters killed in the line of duty and to assist injured firefighters and their families. We honor and acknowledge past, present, and future members of the wildland firefighting community, and partner with private and interagency organizations to bring recognition to wildland firefighters. Link
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:32 am
Things look like they've calmed down a bit here. There was a big scare on Monday, and I had to dash out to my father's to help him in case the fire hit his property. He lives in the far east county between Alpine and Harbison Canyon. It's very rural out there. They did get a mandatory evac order Monday night, but my father is a retired firefighter and has firehoses and hydrants all around his property. Had a fire come thru, I'd have been there to help him protect his home (this is what he did during the Cedar fire; had he not stayed he'd have lost everything). We had some time so we took advantage prior to the evac orders and cut down a couple of live oak trees that would've been a little close to his property, hauling away the trees to the far edge of his property. I got Firefighting 101 lessons, and learned that I can handle a firehose (I was a bit worried that I wouldn't be strong enough). Things had looked OK on Monday night, so I came home about 9pm. And it wasn't till I got home and got into bed that I realized... holy crap! I would've been face to face with a fire, and nothing between me and it except for a firehose!! They are still under a mandatory evac but it's looking good. The fire has changed direction and is moving east, but it's NOT moving north at the moment, so they are safe for now. I'm still on "standby" and keeping a bag packed by the door, just in case, but I think my dad's property is OK. I'm still trying to check in with some friends. I know of only one person (an ex boyfriend) who lost everything. A few others are still evacuated from their homes, but they've been able to confirm that their homes are still standing. I've not been able to get thru to a couple others, though. There are over a million people who have been evacuated and relocated to evac centers. Over 300,000 acres have burned in all. This is the worse fire we've ever had (and we thought the Cedar fire would be it). And an odd stat for you... this has been the largest evacuation of people since the Civil War. Not even Hurricanes Katrina and Rita combined caused this many evacs. Weird, huh? It's been very frightening. The air quality is still really bad, and there are still new fires starting (there's now a fire up by Camp Pendleton, a new one, and I-5 is now closed in both directions). We are not out of the woods yet, but with the wind now coming from the west, there is a potential to get a handle on things. Hopefully.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:33 am
P.S. I don't have time to read this entire thread but... I hope everyone is doing OK and hasn't lost family, friends, or property. And if you're curious about people in San Diego, there's a great Google Mashup map that KPBS updates every hour.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 7:42 am
Haven't read upthread in quite a while, but just posted this in my folder, (I'll catch up next chance I get, as I'm at the office.) I want to be serious for a moment and let everyone know I've been quite worried about all of you who are LITERALLY in the line of FIRE in California. It sounds so dumb to say stay safe, I mean what's the alternative? Be Reckless? But its such a helpless feeling being so far away and watching this inferno swallow one of the most amazing places on the planet - and threaten (and in some cases hurt) so many amazing people. So please... Stay Safe, and do keep in touch - thank heavens for cellphones and laptops, etc. Although I have no idea if they are/would be working properly due to the fires. I haven't checked the Wildfires thread yet today... I am always afraid to, cuz of what I might read, but as of the last time I checked in there all our Clubhouse members were okay. IMHO some are too close for comfort - but they were okay. I don't pray often, but I have already done so twice this week. The the other night when Marie Osmond collapsed on a show, and non-stop since this horrible fire began to devour California ember by ember. Damn those Santa Ana windstorms. They are supposed to have died down by now. No idea, but I sure hope so. And WHERE are all the RELIEF firefighters from other States? Have they arrived yet? There's so much devastation already. Has the President made a statement yet and promised to send in the army or whatever? I was telling Vince that so many of our clubhouse friends live out there... we are very concerned.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 8:15 am
quote:Not even Hurricanes Katrina and Rita combined caused this many evacs.
Not to take away from the devastation caused by the wildfires, but this doesn't seem to be true. According to NPR, over a million people were evacuated with Katrina alone. http://www.npr.org/news/specials/katrina/oneyearlater/diaspora/
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Dovez
Member
08-27-2005
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 8:22 am
i was looking for a site where i might find news of friends homes up in the mountains. this is sobering when you connect each of the addresses to a family. http://fireupdate.com/recovery/burnreports.htm
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Dovez
Member
08-27-2005
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 8:38 am
oh, and click on the "ranger al's" personal list at top of that site. he is an active fire personel.
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 11:04 am
It truly boggles the mind to envision what this is doing and has done to the state of California and ALL it's people. Especially, those in the south. My heart goes out to everyone.
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 12:37 pm
The effects of this will be reaching across the country, folks. Southern California is more than ocean beaches, mega cities and big name playgrounds. It is also has a lot of agricultural areas. Citrus fruits, wine grapes, vegetables, meat, dairy, poultry.... Mostly the reports on these fires have concentrated on showing the canyon and wild lands. Talking about the thousands of homes that are being destroyed. Well, some of those homes are actually family run farms with large crops. Agricultural businesses. So the damages will also have an effect on some grocery prices. You like to have an avocado or an artichoke with your meal? Get ready to pay more for it. The other side of that coin is the economic damage to California's agricultural community. I don't know how long it takes for that to come back to normal, but I bet it isn't quick. Maybe Costacat or Sea, or some of the others could give us some thoughts on that.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 1:13 pm
You are so right, Treasure. On the other side, the housing industry will get a boost. Wind not as strong today but the smoke is much worse.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 1:23 pm
Oh, and our local channels are showing regular shows - not the fires.
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 1:32 pm
OH, yeah! I am sure there will be a sudden boom in home construction, as folks begin to rebuild their homes. But the cost of doing that is going to be a lot higher than it was before. Then the housing industry will most likely turn that profit back into building more new homes and the cost of THOSE houses will be out of reach for you and me. Then more of the people of California are going to sell their homes for very high prices, and move to Arizona. eheh They will use the funds from their sale to pay cash for a home here. That will push up the cost of a new home for most Arizonans. And the ripple effect widens. It has taken a lot of living and observation for me to figure out the economics of this.
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 1:37 pm
Rosie, I haven't had my tv on my local channels. Rarely do, now that I have moved to a place that requires satellite TV to see ANYTHING. ehehe But I have glanced at a couple of them Sunday and yesterday. They appeared to be on normal shows as well. I usually watch CNN and C-Span, now.
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