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Egbok
Member
07-13-2000
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 10:31 am
The wildfires are in Malibu this morning. I'm hearing 35+ homes have burned down thus far. We've got cold Santa Ana winds blowing through again...really strong winds. (Sorry, I don't have a link source so if you (The MODS) have to remove my post, go ahead.)
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 10:44 am
It just seems never ending, this year. I am certainly hoping they get this Malibu fire under control soon. You folks don't need any more of this.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 10:55 am
Ditto what Treasure said! 
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 11:02 am
I cannot believe I'm posting the streaming link to fire coverage... again... in Malibu. http://media.myfoxla.com/live/2/ Apparently this started around 3am this morning and they are saying as many as 3 dozen homes burned. There is a press conference about it shortly - perhaps they know the cause but no one is talking about that yet. ((Bee, I'm hoping for a little rain to wet down your ashes and all these hills!))
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 11:29 am

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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 12:34 pm
OG...after seeing that pic I'll stop complaining about my ash and just wear my mask and be grateful. These fires now happening in Malibu...unreal. It DOES seem unending this year. And Egbok is right...these Santa Anas are cold and strong. It feels unbelievably dry here. Tough year for fires here, for sure.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 12:58 pm
Bonza...I'm watching that DC10 circle and circle right now, getting ready to drop. I don't know about that. Doesn't it seem horribly dangerous for such a large aircraft to circle around Los Angeles like that? To fly so low with the winds like they are? It just seems like several smaller planes would be so much more effective than that huge one. I mean it "looks good" and all that, but it's been circling for quite some time now without dropping...even changed directions. We have GOT to figure out a better way to fight these fires. And why do they take water from private pools and then refill them when the ocean is right there? Aren't they always telling us to conserve water? Wow...I just saw the drop of Fos-Chek....HUGE line of it. Wow.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 1:44 pm
Bee - I think that, depending on the limitations of the various aircraft and the wind issues, they get water the closest place they can. If they are up in the hills and can get water from a pool vs. head back down to the ocean, the pool saves them such valuable time to drop and do it again. Yes, the DC-10 Foschek drop is so huge, it's gotta be worth it! I read that there is talk of outfitting a 747 for future firefighting. Who knows if that would ever be a reality.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 3:51 pm
Here is the Evergreen 747 firefighting tanker which can drop 20,000 gallons at a time, but its never gotten the necessary permits to do the job.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 3:53 pm
OG - wow!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 10:24 pm
Crap! I'm up north with gorgeous weather (we got clouds this afternoon) for Thanksgiving and then I was told about the wildfires in Malibu, again. I think one answer is that people MUST be willing to pay for prevention.. yes it is expensive. I read earlier that people wondered if some new standards would be passed and enforced BEFORE some of the structures were rebuilt to old standards. Look at Robinson Ranch.. That place was built to withstand fire. My brother's house in Fairfield is on a golf course, but the hills up there don't have lots of brush and their homes have concrete roofing and they don't have flammable planting. His particular place has basically no grass, no weeds, no bit bushes, nothing overhanging his home. I think there were areas in San Diego which fared better and had been built to stricter codes. This isn't just for fires. I remember maybe 20 years back a friend was building a home on Kaui'i and oh did they have to jump through hoops because they were in hurricane and flood areas. They build the whole place up on concrete "stilts", they put in the roof, held down by "hurricane hooks, they built to standards. Just weeks after they finished, Hurricane Iniki hit and they had a bit of roof leakage but that was all.. some people in Florida are putting in double roofing, care is being taken to not create vulnerablilities with large garage doors. There are known fire standards for building and for planting and clearing and it isn't cheap.. And I'm not excluding myself.. and I know it isn't always possible.. I live in a condo complex and have little say over what is done in general to our buildings and they were built in 1964 and we are in an earthquake liquifaction zone and a flood area (though some major work upstread has moved us out of mandatory flood insurance.).. Anyway, I really ache for the people in Malibu right now ..
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 11:01 pm
51 structures destroyed 4600 acres burned 25% contained Started by "human activity". 
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 11:19 pm
Bonza...have they said what "human activity" yet? Was it a ciggie? Or kids? I'm quite anxious to find out what started this one. It started around 3am, didn't it?
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 11:24 pm
Bee - yes, around 3-3:30am is when flames were first seen. The news reports have been very careful to call it "human activity" but not use terminology beyond that to call it unintentional or arson, etc. But - all day long there have been residents commenting and news reports that state that people were (reportedly) partying in the Malibu Bowl area in the early morning hours. That's where the fire started. At this point it just sounds like the authorities are being careful about the terminology they use...
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 11:27 pm
Thank you, Bonza. I appreciate your quick response. Time will tell the full story, I'm sure. Such a shame that folks can still be careless or, worse still, intentional.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 12:19 am
Grrr about "human activity". I saw a crawler on tv here I think it was CNN that mentioned another fire in Ramona I remember they used to post signs that you couldn't even smoke IN vehicles, NO barbeques during fire danger times, but some people always think it doesn't mean ME... And some habits. I saw a man driving in Fountain Valley last week and he had a cigarette, lit, and was literally driving up Brookhurst and not even smoking it, just flicking it constantly out his window.. very very strange and disturbing to me.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 1:34 am
Thoughts and prayers to all concerned. I was shocked to see there was another huge fire. I pray it (and any other)is controlled soon. I did see the huge plane and helicopters flying on a news report in the afternoon. So sad. I remember the "no smoking" zones from back in 1977. I was driving through those mountain roads while visiting my brother who lived in Thousands Oaks and my friend and I traveled all over So. Cal going to the beaches and other "attractions." I haven't been home to hear the follow-up that "human" activity had caused it. Grrrrr.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 9:48 am
OMIGOSH not again! My prayers are with you all that this is squelched quickly and doesn't drag on like the last batch of fires.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 11:04 am
They have made really good progress overnight and the weather is cooperating. Still, the number of homes lost is shocking (since it broke out in the middle of the night, the number of homes lost by dawn yesterday morning was already over 30). They expect full containment by Tuesday. 40% contained 4720 acres burned 49 homes destroyed 27 damaged Cause still under investigation and they are still reporting the phrase "human activity"
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:15 pm
Hoping the rain isn't TOO hard in the burn areas. Already hearing of heavy rains in Malibu and Wargod reported heavy in her area, which isn't that far from some bad fire areas such as Boquet Canyon. It is pretty steady here in Fountain Valley, OC Coast and I HOPE the OC burn area isn't getting anything too hard. San Diego too.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 8:03 pm
We were having a perfectly fine visit with friends at the beach house when a neighbor called and told us we better get home. This is what we found:
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 8:08 pm
Well, they're too big to post. Sea...are you around? Can I mail them to you? Can you resize them?
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Wargod
Moderator
07-16-2001
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 9:00 pm
Bee, I'm around if Sea isn't. wargod617@msn.com
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 9:04 pm
Okay, Wargod...I'll send them to you...here goes.
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Wargod
Moderator
07-16-2001
| Friday, November 30, 2007 - 9:08 pm
I have two, Bee, I'll wait a while in case you're sending more.
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