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Archive through October 16, 2007

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Wargod
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Slurp...slurp....slurp....slurp. Sound my kids make when they drink sodas and one reason why they rarely get to drink them. Drives me absolutely insane!

Karen
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09-07-2004

Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karen a private message Print Post    
Can I gripe about my neighbors for a minute?

If someone took it upon themselves to organize having someone come right to your front door to pick up old clothing you no longer have use for, wouldn't you be thrilled? I arranged for Big Brothers to come for a clothing pickup. They said they'd be coming in two weeks' time. I wrote up a note and pinned it in the front lobby, right beside the front entrance and the mailboxes. Everyone who lives in the building would have had to see it. My note was telling everyone that Big Brothers was coming in two weeks, and if they had anything they'd like to contribute, to leave it in the lobby the night before the scheduled pickup.

TWO WEEKS my neighbors had. There's more than 100 people living in my building. When Big Brothers came, my 5 bags were the only ones in the lobby to be collected. I'm not mad, just kinda bummed and disappointed in the inaction of so many others. Ah well... at least they got five full bags from me.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 6:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I wish I was there, I have 5 bags I need to donate somewhere!

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 11:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Just think of it as their having other charities they prefer, Karen.

I like to give to Coats for the Cold at a local Catholic church. I am neither Catholic nor particularly religious. I usually ask the neighor if they have anything if I am going to make a donation. They are Catholic. They have nothing to donate. They have other preferred charities.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 5:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
See, I would assume that since its Big Brothers they would want to collect boy's clothes. I know I couldn't come up with any boy's clothes and maybe your neighbors can't either. Or, like Juju said, maybe they do have their own charities they donate to. There are a couple that I donate to. At least you did your part.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 5:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Karen, I am mom to three rapidly growing girls with all different body types so am very limited as to what gets handed down (NOTHING! LOL) I drop off a bag of clothing every 2-3 months. A couple times a year we get a phone call from one charity or another asking for donations and I never have anything to give. Its not because I don't give but because I already have in a different way. Just trying to make you feel better about those neighbors or yours.

Karen
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09-07-2004

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karen a private message Print Post    
Thanks for making me feel better, guys. I really just figured, given the demographic of my building, there would be more. I hate when my best laid plans go awry.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 5:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 6:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Oh dear. What happened?

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 6:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
That's not good.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 6:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
(((War)))

Y2krazy
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09-17-2002

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Y2krazy a private message Print Post    
It's OK Wargod, just tell us what's wrong? Go ahead, gripe....this is where to do it. I think we're all ready to listen.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 10:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Today was a totally frustrating day where nothing went right or as planned. Most of the last year has been very stressful, one thing after another after another and through most of it I've done well not losing it. Minor annoyances and big problems, I know they won't last forever.

Ever so often though, it's the small stuff that sends me screaming. And it's usually stupid stuff.

Had plans with sis to run some errands and everythign took twice as long to do and we didn't accomplish crap (she was supposed to get her car back today and didn't.) Ended up having to pick Caleb up from track practice before it started and he wasn't happy at all about that, and had to pick Kota up late from the neighbor and we still weren't done. Little nephew and two youngest nieces who were with us were cranky and fussy (do they plan this for the same day and time?????)

And since sis didn't have her car, she couldn't cook dinner for aunt and take it over which left me scrambling to figure something out for aunt cuz I hadn't planned on cooking for her tonight. Just as I was deciding I'd pick her up some fried chicken and mashed potatoes (terribly unhealthy for her) Dakota comes in and sits down in my lap sobbing with a bad headache. Got her to lay down, got her some tylenol and a wet washcloth to put over her eyes and finally got her to sleep and that's about the point I lost it.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
There there, Wardog.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 4:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I am extremely ticked off right now. My 15 year tells me that today in her English class they will be watching the last 1/3 of Macbeth, Roman Polaski's Macbeth!!! and she wants me to keep her home. This is a child who was freaked out at Lord of the Rings and never saw parts 2 and 3. She has been having nightmares the last couple nights but didn't want me speaking to the teacher so didn't say anything. She is just so scared that she doesn't think she can watch the last 1/3. I want to lodge a complaint with the school and the school board. This is an R rated movie that I (as a parent) was not notified about (at the least) not to mention asked for permission. My daughter wants me to just keep her home and not say anything. She is afraid the teacher will take it out of her (marks wise). So I am trying to decide what to do here. I can't let my child be terrorized again, she is very sensitive about violence but I can't not complain, either. This teacher IMO has made a completely inappropriate decision in showing this movie to 14/15 yr olds.

Wargod, sorry you had such a bad yesterday! Hopefully today will be calmer.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 9:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I would complain to the school via phone call and not give your name, if you can get by with that. I mean, if this teacher is doing this without your permission, what else are they being taught that you don't know about?!!?!

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Rissa can you ask other parents from your daughter's class and see if they think it's a problem? The school would more likely listen to a group. I haven't seen the Macbeth in question but I'm sure it was rated R for a reason.

Hugs to Wargod. I know what you mean about it being the little ongoing things that finally get to you. I hope today is better.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
R rated is R rated, and unless these kids are over 17, they aren't to see it without parental supervision or parental consent, IYAM. This teacher took a great liberty. I saw MacBeth in school, but it was the older, not R rated version because my english teacher didn't want us to lose focus on the story and be distracted by the violence and gore. She figured we could get the point that it was violent without the "ick" factor.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I am so angry about it you can't imagine. I have found out that there were three english classes shown this film (same teacher). I am writing to the school board and will cc the school without identifying myself or my daughter. In part what I have written so far is how angry I am that this teacher dared to substitute his own obviously flawed judgement for my parental rights. I am also sick and tired of the teachers using film in general as a substitute for actually teaching the subject matter but that's a whole other subject. LOL There are many versions of Macbeth out there. Escapee, you and I probably saw the same one in school but if not then I also saw a older version that looked more like a filmed stage production and lacked the gore factor.

As a parent I know there have been times when we have sat down to watch something and there will be language, violence or sex that I didn't anticipate and your heart just jumps and off it goes. It kills me that the teacher never had a similiar uh-oh moment watching the film with the kids even if his brain was in sleep mode when he selected it. Bottom line is what Escapee said.. R rated is R rated and no-one but a parent has a right to make the decision to show that to a child.

Lumbele
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07-12-2002

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 12:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lumbele a private message Print Post    
Rissa, I respect your right as a parent to choose whether or not your children see certain movies.

As the mother of an English teacher, may I suggest talking directly to this teacher - at the next conference, perhaps. He/she may have specific reasons for choosing this particular edition.

It is not easy motivating teens into anything not modern. To foster any kind of real interest, much less enthusiasm, a teacher has to dig deep at times to stop these students from tuning out.

Today's 14/15 y-o's are generally quite a "visual" lot, and most have become insensitive to gore. Yet, that and possibly present-day movie idols (sorry, haven't seen the movie myself) will hold their interest more than an older version that they can't relate to quite as easily.
It may not have crossed this teacher's mind that there are still some who cannot handle the gore at that age.

I am not saying this is the case here, or that this is this particular teacher's thinking. Just trying to interject that there may be more than plain old thoughtlessness behind his "madness".

Any chance your dd can have her seat neighbour nudge her so she can reopen her eyes when the gorey stuff is over with? I peek from behind my eye lashes all the time watching CSI etc.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
I'm sorry but I totally disagree with it being ok for the teacher to show the R rated film w/o parental consent. These kids are under the age of 17. It doesn't matter whether most kids are insensitive to gore or not. It matters that it is the parent's right to decide if an R rated movie is acceptable for their child to see.

I think talking to the teacher might be an option, but I still think that no matter what the teacher's intentions a teacher should not show an R rated movie w/o parent's permission. IMO this teacher, no matter what the reasons, showed poor judgement.

Rissa's daughter has valid concern for the teacher finding out it was she who had the problem with the film. Besides, it shouldn't matter who had the problem. There are teachers who take things out on their students or grade a little bit harder on those who they consider problems. There might be kids who did not have a problem with the film, but who's parents would have a problem with it if they knew about it. And if it gets out that the daughter is the one who had the problem with it, she might get ridiculed by her peers. An anonymous letter seems the right thing to do in this situation.

Just because some kids are insensitive to blood and gore, murder, fighting, etc, does the school system need to add to this by showing these kinds of movies?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Just on a positive note, the movie may be violent and gory but it is not a stupid movie. It is very well done.

Plus keep in mind that there is no getting away from the fact that Macbeth is violent. No one here seems upset that they are studying Macbeth?

I saw the film when I was in Grade 12 (most of the class was 17 at the time, though I was 16). It was the only film I recall seeing in English where the class actually applauded at the end. We were amazed. What some people had thought was a dry dull Play had suddenly come to life.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 1:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
This film was made in 1971. Jimmer brings up a great point. Why is there no uproar if the book/play is violent but there is uproar if the movie is?

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I must admit that I have not seen the movie and don't remember the story of Macbeth.
You know as long as there is an adult with the under 17 yr old viewer, anybody under 17 can go to an R rated movie, doesn't have to be the parent, just saying.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 1:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I can't remember if I saw the movie Macbeth or not but we did read it. My only suggestion is to talk to the teacher first and then if need be follow the chain of command.