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Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
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Welcome to Hobgoblin Hall!

A place to talk about some of our favorite mythical creatures, creepies crawlies, things that go BUMP! in the night and all-around folklore. Fairies welcome!

I'll start: this is a page about the origins of all things Halloween.

http://www.wychwood.co.uk/wychwood_wych_wood.htm#goblins

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 1:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Cool, thanks! So, what is the Changeling legend/myth that was featured on Supernatural on Thursday night? And is there any reason given in that myth as to why the children are stored underground rather than killing them?

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 2:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Cool site! Thanks!

I've decided to get a new costume this year. I usually just wear my graduation robes and a witch's hat. So lame. So I ordered a lady vampire costume! Whoot!



Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
We have a Halloween party to go to and I have no idea what we will wear. I think it might be the whole family going so we were thinking a theme, maybe the Addam's family. My son is so tall, his nickname is Lurch so it would be fitting.

Landileigh
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07-29-2002

Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landileigh a private message Print Post    
elizabeth has to be Wednesday!

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 2:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
I know! LOL

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I was hoping that Calamity would come back and tell us some Changeling stories. I'll wait for her to come by.

I watched a movie called "Haunting Sarah" yesterday that was pretty good. It had a "haint" in it. In the movie, the haint was a recently-deceased child that had attached itself to a living child in order to be brought back to life, like feeding off that child's life force. The voodoo-practicing nanny saw what was going on and tried to help.

They are probably playing fast and loose with the word "haint." I looked around and it's a Southern word to mean "ghost" or "haunting," but nothing about a soul-sucking type of child spirit.

A side note, in researching I fould references to "haint blue," which African-American Southerners would use to paint their windowsills and doors. The belief is that spirits cannot travel over water, so the haint blue keeps spirits from entering the house.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Calamity mentioned coming by this thread today, I think. I'm waiting for her too. What about Shapeshifters? Are they different from Changelings, if so does anyone know the myth about them?

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
Mamie, if you put a suit on him that's too small, he would look like Lurch. Remember Lurch's clothes never fit..LOL

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
LOL Ahnicka, now the pressure's on! Calamity, take your time.

I was trying to find the source of the Ring myth the other day. Turns out that the Ring movies are based on the novels of Koji Suzuki, who is the Japenese Stephen King they say. Still, I thought the myth originated in Japanese folklore. "The Grudge" is another one that was first filmed in Japanese; that director also directed the American version.

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Interesting site, Nyheat. Thanks!

Hermione69: Do the shoes come with that costume?! I'd probably end up in the emergency room on Halloween if I tried to walk in those! Of course, I'm scared of vampires anyway so that's a moot point.

Hi there, Ahnicka: I'll try to answer your question about the changeling.

And is there any reason given in that myth as to why the children are stored underground rather than killing them?

A defining element of the changeling myth is that the abducted child is switched with a fairy imposter, not killed. And it was often believed that humans who had been taken would be spirited underground. So those parts are right out of classical folklore. But, of course, this episode was only based on the legend, the show built on those ideas and threw in some twists of its own as well. Such as the children being held so an adult changeling could feed on them *shudder*. Now, that might have been borrowed from the old belief that mortals' strength and vitality could be sapped by fairies but I'm inclined to think it was added for an extra touch of bloodsucking horror to the story. (Another reason for keeping the children alive is this way the show could have a happy ending. Well, maybe not quite happy but at least the kids could be rescued. I think Hollywood rule no. 1 should be "If you want to avoid really upsetting the audience - Don't kill any dogs, cats, or kids! Just don't do it!" Speaking for myself, I know I've still not gotten over the shock of what happened at the end of Turner & Hooch.) I've never heard of changelings in myth feeding on their human families.

I suppose changelings could be considered a type of shapeshifter since they can alter their appearance (although sometimes only temporarily) but I think when people talk of shapeshifters in world folklore and religion, they more often mean creatures such as werewolves or shamans who are believed to be able to transform into sacred animals. I'm just guessing here though.

Carl Sagan wrote a book called The Demon-Haunted World because he was dismayed by what he saw as a growing popularity and belief in what he called pseudo-science - parapsychology, ufo-ology, and other X-files type topics - at the expense of the scientific method and critical thinking. I remember a magazine article where he said that some of the weird and disturbing accounts of alien abductions concerned him because they sounded like semi-repressed memories of sexual abuse. When he mentioned that people believed they had alien babies and alien lovers I thought to myself, "I may think there's life elsewhere in the universe but these people sound a little screwy". And then I realized that what the stories reminded me of wasn't abuse but the changeling myth dressed up for the post-Space Age. Instead of fairies, people talked of aliens now. And then I saw that it wasn't limited to a few UFO believers. In our modern, sophisticated world, there's still cases of people who are convinced that people in their lives aren't whom they appear to be.

So is there anything real to it? Or is it mental illness, paranoia, a coping mechanism? A cry for attention? I don't know. But I do think that it reveals something about us, a primevel fear and fascination with identity and relationships and vulnerability. I know most people think so-called fairy tales are silly but I think they can tell us a lot, about the world and ourselves.

Kc103
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07-13-2004

Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kc103 a private message Print Post    
Are any of your familiar with Richard Crowe? If you live around Chicago or the midwest area, you may be familiar with him. He is a very well known "ghosthunter".

http://www.ghosttours.com/

I took his supernatural bus tour a few years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. He also offers cruises on Lake Michigan too. (Not being a swimmer..I don't know if I'd be able to brave that one...at night!) He really has a lot of knowledge about supernatural things and is great to listen to.

He is going to be on WGNam radio on the Steve and Johnnie Show at approx. 11:15 p.m. on Thursday, October 25th for his annual Halloween visit. I know that I'll be listening. It's become a Halloween tradition for me! If any of you are interested in this subject area, you may want to give him a listen.

This is a link to a page where you can listen to the station online:
http://wgnradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6336&Itemid=160

Smokey
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07-08-2003

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 2:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smokey a private message Print Post    
Hey, cool thread! I am glad I found it. :-)

I am a friend/acquaintance of Nick Reiter, founder of the Avalon Foundation. http://www.theavalonfoundation.org/ He is sort of a ghost hunter, but more of a paranormal investigator. He's very bright with a scientific background (I believe he's a scientist by profession), so approaches things in this way.

He has tons of stories on his website and is a very fascinating person. We shared a few experiences in regards to a haunted place about 20 minutes from my home. It was unpleasant, to say the least.

ETA: Check out the link that says "field studies". That's where you can read about his experiences and investigations.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Monday, October 22, 2007 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Thanks for coming by Calamity! I saw on Supernatural the lucky rabbit's foot superstition play out. I wonder where that myth come from.

And I saw the Grudge the other day--that is really one of the scariest movies out there. The legend in Japanese folklore is only that if a spirit dies angry it sticks around to take revenge. I was hoping for something a little more detailed. Will keep looking into it.

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Friday, October 26, 2007 - 10:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Thanks for the links, Kc103 and Smokey.

Nyheat: I've never seen The Grudge or The Ring. Horror movies in general and grisly horror movies in particular aren't my viewing preference. (Which is why I sometimes have to turn away during Supernatural.) A long time ago I read a few Japanese ghost stories and I also have a book of Japanese folklore but other than that I don't know much.

I wasn't sure if what I had posted about changelings was what you were interested in; I do know other such stories but was just trying to explain what I find fascinating about the subject. It, like stories about dopplegangers and other beings and phenomenon, is an age-old myth but still lurks at the edges of our collective imagination. I think somehow they're still part of the world.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 8:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
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A Ghost Story
by Winifred Sackville Stoner, Jr.

On a dreadful stormy night
My dear Tommy had a fight
With great Peter Snookum Snee,
Cat of fighting pedigree.

In this battle, sad to tell,
My poor Tom, alas, he fell,
Ending thus his earthly life
Through the wicked God of Strife

On the next night while in bed,
Sleepless and with aching head,
For my Tom, my precious pet,
My poor eyes with tears were wet.

Suddenly his voice I heard,
And in ghostly whispers purred,
"I am coming, mistress, dear,
Yes, 'tis true I'm very near.

"Good cat heaven have I left,
I would comfort you, bereft
For your precious Tommy pet,
I would teach you not to fret.

"Do you hear me in the hall
With my ghostly soft footfall?
Up the stairs I bound to thee,
Jumping steps from one to three.

"Now my paw is on your door,
I turn the knob one-two-three-four,
And you may see your Tommy now--
Me-ow! Me-ow! Me-ow! ow! ow!"

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 9:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Calamity you have a lot of insight into the paranormal! I used to follow Jungian psychology myself and have been fascinated by the reality we create for ourselves. I had heard about alien abuctees and the history of abuse connection. Interesting stuff.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
This was DH and I this past Saturday at a Halloween party. The picture of us with the sign is in a neighbors yard. We were uh, a bit, inebriated....





Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 5:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Thanks for the info Calamity and Nyheat!
Hmm, Dopplegangers, the only thing I know about them are that they are like an identical replica of you or something like that and they are supposed to be evil? Is that correct? LOL, I'm not well versed in it, but I find it interesting.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 6:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Escapee, you and hubby are naughty! That is such a cute outfit.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 7:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
BTW, people online are lovin' Christine Aguliera and hubby Jordan Bratman's "corpse bride" costumes. Have to say I agree.

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Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 6:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Escape you and hubby are adorable! Looks like a good time was had by all. Grin.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 8:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Well, I was told my costume was Blasphemous and Sacreligious....I felt very guilty about that.

Landileigh
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07-29-2002

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 8:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landileigh a private message Print Post    
i'm so proud of you escapee! you go, you bad girl you! did you sing "hit me baby one more time"??

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
LOL. No, and I kept on my underwear and I didn't lose custody of my children either.