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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 1:38 pm
But factor in the mortgage crises and it's a different pix Treasure. I think what you said has some validity but it's not that cut and dry. There is a lot more to worry about until then...
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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 1:41 pm
Dovez... I hope your home is all right. I am keeping you and your neighbors in my thoughts.
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 1:52 pm
Oh, I agree Moondance. Not at all "cut and dry". Lots of variations on it and a lot of other factors to change the scenario. But that is just a kind of overview of what I observed happening over the last few years, here. And not meant as an insult to my neighbors, either. I love California. Still consider myself a California girl, even if I have lived in Arizona for over 30 years. LOL Yep, first is to get past this crisis and put some normalcy back. I do truly hate seeing all the devastation happening.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 2:24 pm
Do I hear the Beach Boys singing? How is out your way, Moonie?
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Lanative
Member
07-24-2007
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 2:44 pm
Dovez ---that list you listed is a list of homes lost in the 2003 fire. I went there to see what was listed, my father and brother live in Running Springs so we are very worried. But this is not the first time, this has become a annual event up there.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 3:27 pm
I just heard a news report that 1/3 of the State's avocado crops were burned.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 3:47 pm
What Bonza said.. NPR mentioned that about the avocado crops. Treasure, housing has taken a dive and not much is selling, or it is taking longer and bringing in less. And there is also the rental market.. NPR was talking about the effects in San Diego (they were broadcasting from the Qualcomm Stadium, where there are many people waiting to return home or, not.. and they said that many people speculated buying condos/apartments in towers in SD and NOW, for them, an upside will be that they will probably be able to rent them out.. many have been empty. Same might be said in OC, but not as much loss of homes here, so far. It is already hitting many businesses that rely on walk in or drive in customers. Costacat, glad you checked in.. I figured you were involved with your dad in some way and knew that last time he was certainly in a vulnerable area. I love that he has hoses and his own hydrants! I suspect you'd have been impressive behind a hose.. Beekindpleez is the only TVCHer I am aware of who had to evacuate and she went to her other home in Long Beach, but we haven't heard in this thread.. and I've been out driving around all day so not sure how things are going. I drove a friend to the doctor in Newport Beach and there's a pall of smoke low over the beach and the ocean.. ugly.
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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 5:59 pm
http://www.fire.ca.gov/ http://www.airnow.gov/
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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:00 pm
HI Rosie.... it is much better. Less plumes of smoke and smell but the air is still bad but we were so lucky!! How are you doing?
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:10 pm
continued thoughts and prayers to all. Continued prayers and thanks to all the volunteers and fire fighters Bill wked til 7am...and had to go back tonite at 530 and will wk til 7am...that is his schedule til further notice...
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:49 pm
Rosie, more like "California Dreaming" by the Mommas & Poppas. ehehe But I did like the Beach Boys, too. That was pure California music. ehehe
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 7:10 pm
what pamy said
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 8:24 pm
Treasure, we've lost thousands of avocado trees alone. And I'm sure just as many citrus trees. Since my home is one of the major suppliers of avocados to the rest of the states, yeah, y'all are gonna feel the pinch when you buy avocados to make guac for the holidays or Super Bowl. Sea, I dunno about people buying condos here in the city. They are exhorbitantly priced, and there just aren't that many available. There are hundreds of homes that are total losses. And not everyone is going to be able to receive full reimbursement from their insurance. Some of the stories: 1. A couple lost their home in the Cedar fire. They were living in a FEMA-supplied trailer. It's a total loss. What do they do now? Start all over yet again???? 2. A couple just finished a year-long major remodel on their home. Their insurance wasn't yet adjusted for the increase in value. 3. A couple just moved into their new (to them) home on Saturday. On Sunday, their home was destroyed. I could give a crap about the governor and the president and the frickin' Homeland Security secretary coming here. Send more planes. Send more personnel. (And quit patting yourselves on the back that the scene at Qualcomm in no way resembles the scene at the stadium during Katrina. If I see another politician spouting how wonderful it is at the Q, I'll barf. Seriously. Many of those people now have nothing!) (Sorry to vent. I'm really frustrated, the fires are still out of control, we watched a fire burn just north of us all day and it got no coverage from anyone, and every politician and his mother have to come to San Diego to "inspect" the damage.)
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 9:09 pm
Vent away, Costacat. I can only imagine the frustration to see a home and/or crop destroyed by fire and the planes aren't flying and the firefighters are working somewhere else. Yet, we do know that they all are working so hard to get control of these fires. I am sorry to know that you lost your trees. A crop of that size is truly serious business.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 9:24 pm
(((((((Costa & everyone suffering from this Inferno)))))))
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 7:18 am
Whoops. Treasure, I meant my HOMETOWN!!! I, personally, didn't lose any trees. But the areas in northern San Diego are famous for avocados, and there is a lot of devastation up there. If the farmer's market is open on Sunday, I'll be able to see which of my local growers were affected the hardest. Looks like the southern end of the Witch fire is still very close to my dad's place. But now that the sun is up we're hoping the water drops can start up again and tamp down the flareups from overnight. I'm home again, just talked to my dad, and they said right now the winds are really still. I'm on standby with bags packed by the door in case I need to head out east again, but we're keeping our fingers crossed the winds stay calm all day. (It's just barely sunrise, so it's hard to say what will happen once the sun has fully risen.) Air quality is worse today. And I'm still exhausted... emotionally and physically just drained.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 8:19 am
((((Costacat))))) My prayers and caring to you and all who are suffering through this.
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 8:20 am
ehehe Welll....there still your trees, sorta. LOL Weather seems to be greatly improved, even if it is letting the smoke accumulate in large pockets. I hope it is over very soon. Good luck to your dad, his property, and you Costa.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:43 am
Thanks guys. The winds are very still now. It's almost eerie... the smoke has settled over the city and the sunlight is orange. Kinda feels like the "day after" (what the heck was the name of that movie that was the day after a nuclear thing?). Just talked to my dad again. It's still out there. Although the Harris fire is still a threat, and the Witch fire is still moving south, they are moving slowly. President Bush just landed at Miramar, so maybe the fires will heed the presidential edict and just stop in their tracks? (<snort>)
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Treasure
Member
06-26-2002
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 1:43 pm
Well, I have a comment about that, too. During the Katrina disaster, he flew over without landing. He was given ---- by city officials and the press. So, today, he flew in, landed at Camp Pendleton then used a Marine helicopter to fly over some of the area. Then he got in a motorcade and drove to a community for a press conference and photo op. Now here is the thing. Don't know why he just did a fly over of New Orleans. Maybe because there was too much devastation and flooding to find a safe place to land and then motorcade through the city. Just guessing. But I don't think it was really a great idea to be flying anywhere near this ongoing battle with a raging fire! Why? Because the planes that were dumping water and fire retardant on these fires had to stop flying as long as he was in the air. Now...I don't know how long he was up there. I don't know how much ground, if any, was lost in the fire fight due to lack of air support for that period of time. BUT....If I was anywhere near the fire, or had a home or property threatened by the fire, I don't think I would be tooooo happy about him causing the pause in air support for ANY amount of time. Just my thoughts.
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 1:51 pm
California Prayers to all the people, places, and animals.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 3:51 pm
Does anyone else think the fires are a result of terrorism?
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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 3:57 pm
NO
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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 3:58 pm
The arsonists come out when the Santa Ana's blow ... that's when they get their kicks.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 4:00 pm
On Route 66...
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