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Sia
Member

03-11-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 4:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sia a private message Print Post    
Karuuna, I did call myself inappropriate, judgmental, and shameful. I didn't say anyone else called me that. I just jumped ahead a bit because the TV is on behind me and I've been listening to the flak today over Don Imus.

The following is addressed to the community here as a whole, not to one particular individual:

It seems like nobody is allowed any more to simply speak freely. I think we should be allowed to call each other names if that's how we want to express ourselves. I want to be allowed to call Mr. Marshall a dirty old man and not be taken to task for using that term. In my opinion, and in my world, "dirty old man" is a legitimate term and it accurately describes him. So what? I'm just calling it as I see it.

If my labeling him a dirty old man means that I'm casting a stone, then that's okay by me. Guilty. I'm fine with it. If I can't be judgmental and voice my opinion about what I see on TV, read in the newspaper, then I might as well cancel my DishTV (perish the thought!) and never again pick up a newspaper or magazine.

I think I shouldn't be ashamed of having an opinion, and I shouldn't be ashamed of expressing my opinions. Unless--and until--I'm asked to keep my opinions to myself, I will continue to debate issues with intensity, integrity, and total honesty. I have REALLY missed posting here at the Clubhouse. I've been busy doing other things since Christmas, but I wanted to get in touch with some of my old cyber-buddies. I first started reading this message board way back during BB season ONE, for cryin' out loud, and you guys are an amazing source of information, assistance, friendship, support, and sometimes you're my lifeline in very troubled times. I hope you all remember that I'm not a $hit-stirrer. I just am opinionated, human, and a wonderful human being with value, too. I'm worth getting to know, I have a lot to learn, but I have something to contribute, too--if you'll let me.

Sia
Member

03-11-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sia a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, to answer your question, no, IMO, just thinking about sex doesn't make someone "dirty." Heck, I have dreams about having sex, and it certainly isn't with my husband! You're confusing the issue. Let me walk through it again:

Dirty old man = any man lusting after any woman (thanks to Cndeariso) for an excellent explanation

Adult entertainment = evil (in MY book); anyone who "entertains" himself/herself with pictures of naked bodies of either sex for sexual gratification is engaging in inappropriate behavior. Entering a ti++y-bar or strip club is wrong, no matter what man does it. I won't even go into the women who work there, because I'm sure some of them work there because the money is good and not because they get any sort of sexual gratification from it. That doesn't make the female dancers bad or evil. It just means dancing naked or semi-nude pays better than anything else they're qualified to do--or they want to earn money faster. It's sort of like crab-fishing: lots of money in a shorter time.

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Karuuna
Board Administrator

08-31-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 4:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Well, the thing is Sia, I hope you realize that other people are just posting their opinions as well, just as you are. No one (that I see) is intentionally trying to shame anyone, just disagreeing and discussing, and commenting.

Everyone IS posting freely, just as you are. :-) Sometimes that means someone will take you 'to task' because they find what you said not so great. That's part of it. It's not meant personally, tho admittedly it can be very very difficult not to see that at times.

Now as the admin: Of course, you're free to say some things, but I'll just say specifically namecalling is prohibited at TVCH. Dirty old man was borderline, but technically could have been moderated. I don't mean that to shut down conversation, but wanted to make it clear that namecalling is against the rules here, since you mentioned that specifically. :-)

Goddessatlaw
Member

07-19-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Well what about calling ourselves names, Karuuna? I heard that tar-baby routine with Imus on Al Sharpton's radio show yesterday. Imus called himself a cracker and a redneck and Sharpton told him not to come on his show and desecrate his own race. I was ROLLING. The more Imus talked the worse it got.

Topic? I'm sorry Prince Gabor wasn't the father.

Vacanick
Member

07-12-2004

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
LOL .... leave it to Goddess to bring up Prince Gabor! Oh my goodness, how funny!!!

Goddessatlaw
Member

07-19-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Poor Princess Zsa Zsa . . . next thing you know he'll be selling his "make your own princess" turkey-baster kit on ebay.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
BRAVO sia, excellent post @5:10

however, Karunna
I dont understand why it is okay for others to feel that they are entitled to "take you 'to task' because they find what you said not so great"

Why can someone's opinion not stand as is?

Why is it that certain people's opinions are better than others?

By the way Sia, we use "dirty old man" here as a common slang. I've used slang in some of my posts and had the same response as you.

Dont let it bother you. Some of us understand your point and many readers lurk without posting a response but agree.

Jimmer
Moderator

08-30-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
In certain situations (not this one though), some people's opinions are indisputably more valuable than others. I'm a little surprised to hear it suggested otherwise. I'm not going to consult my car mechanic about a medical condition and give his opinion the same weight as my Doctor's. Similarly I'm not going to consult my Doctor if I want my car repaired.

It is a discussion. People offer their opinions and others agree or disagree. Otherwise it would be a blog.

I mean dirty in the sense that the guy has impure thoughts of performing sexual acts with a woman or women to whom he is not married.

IMO, just thinking about sex doesn't make someone "dirty."


To me those two statements are contradictory.

My feeling is that there isn't enough happiness or enjoyment in the world. We can't have too much. As long as something is not hurting someone else (e.g. someone going into a strip club for example) then I see no harm in it.

Of course, we could get into a discussion regarding who is exploiting who in the strip club situation, but maybe in certain situations no one is exploiting anyone and all are benefiting in their own way.

With respect to Mr. Marshal, he married Anna Nicole. So I'm surprised that you would describe him as a dirty old man, given your definition.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I'm not going to consult my car mechanic about a medical condition and give his opinion the same weight as my Doctor's. Similarly I'm not going to consult my Doctor if I want my car repaired.


but that is what we have here. People representing themselves as people with knowledge etc when truthfully it is often just an idea or opinion.

I have over 20 yrs in the medical field and had people here argue points that it was obvious they had no deep knowledge or training in.

Just an example.

Costacat
Member

07-15-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I thought to come in here to see what's the latest on the Anna Nicole Smith saga. I'm leaving immediately, but suffice it to say... if I am a dirty woman (having never been married and yet having had sex), so be it. It's my life, it was consenting, and no one has the right to judge me. I don't judge the relationship between others, as long as that relationship doesn't hurt anyone. Sexual or not.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
according to ANS diaries, Mr Marshall bugged her for years to marry him etc.

nowadays we'd call that stalking? possibly

Jimmer
Moderator

08-30-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I have over 20 yrs in the medical field and had people here argue points that it was obvious they had no deep knowledge or training in.

And that is why I was so astonished that you took the position you did in asking why is it that certain people's opinions are better than others.

Because I do think that on certain subjects, experts in the field have more valuable opinions.

Now I'm not sure that any of us are experts on morals, so that is why I think that everyone's opinions are equally valid on moral issues.

Karuuna
Board Administrator

08-31-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, it's not necessarily taking to task if someone offers a different opinion. It's all in how you perceive it.

If you don't want people to respond to your posts, you shouldn't post them. This is a "discussion" board, that's what people do here, they 'discuss'. That means you have to accept that someone may disagree with you, or not like what you have to say.

Admin hat here: No more discussion about discussion. That is off topic. Further off topics posts will regretfully have to be removed.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
((self deleted after reading above post not allowing discussion))

and I guess I've drifted off topic yet again. Larry sure looked happy today. HKS looked like he needed some antianxiety meds! poor man, I do feel a little sorry for him.

he truly WAS set for life when ANS was alive.

Karuuna
Board Administrator

08-31-2000

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Watched a bit of Donna Hogan on Dr. Phil today. Boy, he was all over her like flies on manure. She's now complaining that she didn't know she was gonna be 'attacked' about her book.

Hypermom
Member

08-13-2001

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
Kar, I Tivo'd it, but haven't watched yet. Wasn't her book wrote a few years ago, but after Anna's death she added to it and re-released it?

I read the first chapter online:
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=9464

If any of this is true, I can understand why ANS wanted to stay away from her family.

Seamonkey
Moderator

09-07-2000

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 7:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
It was interesting that the half sister was invited to Bahamas for the funeral by Vergie and then un-invited, considering that even if Anna "would have wanted" that to happen, she wouldn't have wanted Vergie there either. Vergie, according to the half-sister used most of her alloted seats for press, but it was reported long ago that Vergie's third of the church was still half empty. So Vergie, who is supposedly all about family, excluded family at will from the funeral.

Of course I have not a shred of respect for relatives coming out of the woodwork to write tell all books and make money. Kind of like Jodie Foster's brother did.

Native_texan
Member

08-24-2004

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 8:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
My mom told me this evening that she heard Donna Hogan cancelled her appearance on Larry King Live.

She watched Dr. Phil today and said that the Trim Spa people were there also and that someone accused her of trying to make herself look like Anna Nicole.

Hypermom
Member

08-13-2001

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 10:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
NT, yes, Monique Goen asked her that. DH contradicted herself quite a bit. When I read the first chapter of her book, she repeatedly said that she had been envious of Anna growing up. I think that's why she wrote this tabloid book.

Sea, I agree. Virgie had all those seats and gave them to the press....not much of the press took her up on her offer. I know Greta said Virgie offered her a ticket, but she declined.

Twinkie
Member

09-24-2002

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 10:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
The smartest thing Anna ever did in her life was to get far away from her family. I wouldn't trust a single one of them as far as I could throw them.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 10:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I heard on the radio that the Half-sister met ANS Once ever. And even then, it was just while standing in line during a store event of some kind.

one thing I'd like to add though. There is much conjecture as to ANS family, direct and extended.

there are lots of disfunctional families out there. ANS trusted her mom enough to allow her to raise daniel from when he was a baby.

However, i do question the stability/ self esteem of a woman who has been married/ divorced so many times. Somewhere i read that ANS used to party with her mom.

I knew kids in school like that. I always thought it was sad how the parent would try to be 'best friends' with their kids.


It usually was embarrassing as well. Adults trying to be kids or, in my friend's case' adult males hitting on the young girls.

I was 16 at the time, my friend 14 and her dad's new girlfriend.....18 and in our school! Wow it was awkward LOL

******

Hypermom
Member

08-13-2001

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 11:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
http://tinyurl.com/272gts

All I can say is WOW!

Hukdonreality
Member

09-29-2003

Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 2:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I second that WOW. I don't doubt Donna Hogan wrote the words at that link. Her grammar is horrible, so it is pretty obvious she didn't have a ghost writer (unless the ghost writer was in 4th grade).

Poor Anna Nicole was surrounded by idiots on all fronts.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 3:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
well, hell...Anna didn't give me a house either, I am writing a book!

Rissa
Member

03-20-2006

Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 4:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
I was so NOT pleased when I saw Dr Phil doing yet another show on ANS. But have to say I am impressed with the way he really ripped Donna's book to shreds. Just one of many examples is when Dr Phil pointed out that there was only one photo of her and ANS together and she really slipped up and agreed that the publisher MADE her put that in to prove that she had actually MET Anna. I am a suck when it comes to embarrassing people and in spite of myself was feeling sorry for that woman until she decided to change tacts and started the crying. And who else was laughing coffee out their noses when she kept trying to bond with Stern's sister? LOL