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Maris
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03-28-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
Now virgie is speaking, and she just wants to be the grandmother and is looking forward to being a part of raising Dannielynn. Looks like custody fight brewing.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Whew.. one down, at least. Best of the possible fathers. 99.999% that Larry is the dad, says Larry.

"I'm going to a toy store!"

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Michael Baird, Phd, the DNA expert who did the testing in Ohio. 99.999999%!

Back in court on Friday afternoon, per Larry's Bahamas attorney.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Meh. Some states have grandparents rights laws where occasional visitation is ordered following the death of the natural parent. That's about the best she can hope for, though, unless somehow Larry is proven to be unfit and incapable of raising his own daughter. GP Rights laws are generally viewed with disfavor by courts because they interfere with the parents' decision making process regarding children. If Larry can show visitation would be against Anna's wishes and that it would be harmful to the child, he has a chance of fending off an order of visitation. For the most part I think Virgie is SOL unless she can get Larry to lighten up towards her.

Sia
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03-11-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sia a private message Print Post    
I'm just glad that Larry Birkhead is the biological father rather than Howard K. Stern. I can't judge what kind of parent Birkhead will be, but almost any person, in my opinion, would have to be better than Stern. My negative view of Stern is based on the things that have been reported in the media about him and the "clown video." He clearly knew Anna was under the influence of drugs, and he filmed it as if he found it amusing. Wasn't she pregnant then? Shameful behavior on his part. He should have tried to get her to stop taking drugs of any sort.

Also in my opinion there should never under any circumstances be any reason why a court would ever waste its time even pondering allowing Virgie Arthur to have any contact with baby Dannielynn. Anna Nicole clearly wanted nothing to do with her mother. If Anna had wanted to have her mother in her life, Virgie would have been part of her life. In the video footage shot after Daniel's death Anna seems to be in complete possession of her faculties, and she clearly expressed that she didn't want Virgie to have any contact with her new baby.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
GAL, in the Bahamas, the grandmother is queen and for custody they consider the petitioner's significant other, family, experience, RELIGION, etc. So what would be a shoo-in for Larry in the US.. and hopefully will be for him in the Bahamas, perhaps, perhaps not.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Keeping my knees crossed that they'll transfer jurisdiction to the California courts, Seamonkey. I hadn't heard that about Bahamian law.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
But of course there is another grandmother, Larry's. And he had quite a bit of family with him, including children, probably nephews/neices, sister, brother, with him in court.

Virgie's Bahamian attorney says often in this jurisdiction there can be double or two guardians and she is the only relative on the mother's side.. so clearly a custody battle or guardianship.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Me too, GAL.. crossing various parts of anatomy.

Court TV has been covering the Bahamian customs.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Anna's relationship with her mother has nothing to do with Dannielynns possible relationship with her.

Just because Anna didn't want contact with her mother and maybe didn't want her mother to have anything to do with her child, should have no bearing in court, really. Regardless of how we feel about Vergie or how Anna felt about her, she so far has done nothing to prove herself unfit for visitation.

Here in CA grandparents have rights. Just because a parent doesn't want their parent to see the child makes no difference. It is the child's right to have or not have visitation, not the parents say.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Beg to differ, Escapee. A parent's opinion on whom their child should be exposed to is of paramount consideration, doesn't matter who you are to them. Now the reasons for their opinions might be taken into consideration, also, such as Anna was a drug addict and hated anyone who interfered with her drug habit, including her mother. Nonetheless, unless and until Anna's opinions and Larry's opinion on the subject can be shown to be based on biased and unfounded reasoning, their opinions can and WILL be considered. There may be impediments based on hearsay and dead man's statutes issues regarding Anna's wishes, but just about everyone in the world has heard Anna say she did not want her daughter to be exposed to her mother.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
That may be true, but they will also take Anna's feelings into consideration and evidently, one or two others of Virgie's children haven't exactly turned out so well.. something about one using her gun in a kidnapping and if she tried to get too nasty that would come in. However hopefully, she and Larry will be able to agree and at least in the past he didn't seem like HE planned to keep Virgie away from his daughter.

I still hope he gets sole custody/guardianship. He is the parent and he should have the ultimate word in matters ragarding his daughter.

It wasn't just the baby Anna wanted kept away but the money too. (although there is some thought that there actually could be debt rather than fortune if court cases continue to be fought and Anna's estate/Dannilynn end up on the losing end of things.)

Maris
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03-28-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
Hasnt proven herself unfit??? Hello??? she raised Daniel - died of an overdose. She raised Anna, died of an overdose. Not exactly a banner for mother of the year. I wouldnt leave my kid alone with that woman for an hour.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Right, Maris, and apparently at least one son who went very wrong as well.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
I still remember Virgie make a big production of helping with Anna's burial.... and then stomping across her grave.

If anyone has any doubt about Anna's wishes, all they have to do is watch the video of her watching Virgie at Daniel's grave. If she didn't want that woman at her dead son's grave, what makes anyone think she would she want Virgie near her live daughter.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
It seems both of those things happened while they were adults, and not under Vergies care.

Now, I am no Vergie fan, believe me, but it seems as though Anna was a way way less fit mother than Vergie. I just don't think it's fair to deny Vergie any rights because of things Anna said, which may or may not be true. But it's Anna's words against hers, and seeing as how we only know about her what Anna told Howard and what Anna told the press, we don't really know.

Anna apparently didn't see a problem leaving or abandoning Danny, with her for long periods of time. Why now? Could it be because her mom took issue with their drug use?

Sometimes kids are just little sh*ts regardless of how well they were raised. I believe that Anna was this way, and it's possible that Danny wasn't a "user" until he went back to Anna.

This is just how it seems to me.

I should have clarified some:
The parents of the non-custodial parents have rights and can petition for visitation of a grandchild here in CA, and are usually granted it unless they are proven unfit.

I have seen it happen time and time again. However, the rights are not the same for the parents of the custodial parent, but since Anna Nicole is dead, she is no longer the custodial parent.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Sorry, but i think Vergie proved she was a bad mom just by virtue of not making sure Anna went to school. Didn't she not make it past 8th or 9th grade?

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I wonder what the law is about that. Some states you don't have to go after age 14 if you don't want to. It makes me wonder what kind of kid Anna was and if it was a direct result of parenting or lack thereof.

Not everything is a result of parenting or bad parenting.

Good parents don't produce good children anymore than bad parents produce bad children.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Per Anna's diaries, Vergie used to 'party' with Anna. I would assume that has something to do with everyone's later dependence on drugs.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
While there are always exceptions, I do think that good parents (and good parenting) will raise good kids... and vice versa.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Escapee, I do agree that children are not always a product of their raising.

In Texas, a child has to attend school until the age of 17. Not only did she not ensure your daughter went to school, she sent her to live with I think it was an aunt. If I remember correctly Virgie gave two different reasons for that, one of them being that Anna was hanging out with the wrong crowd and I want to say the other was because they were not getting along.

Now, I know my mom and I didn't always get along (she started menopause as I started my rebellious years) and my friends weren't always the cream of society but my parents did not ship me off to be someone else's problem. My parents wouldn't even go anywhere they couldn't take us.

I hope I don't step on any toes here but I know too many people (the ex being one of them) who were raised by someone other than their parent simply because they didn't want to be bothered (and in some cases went on to have other children as did both parents of the ex and a few others I know) and it had a definite negative affect on their life.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Ah there you are, Kar.. I was about to mention that too.. Vergie partying with Anna.

I sure don't think she should have custody.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Some people frightfulty misuse their children. It appears that Vergie was one of them. Isn't 'partying' a euphanism for drinking and drugs?

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
That would be it, OG.

And yeah, if the son was an adult when he kidnapped someone, he's an adult, but how did he get hold of Vergie's service revolver?

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Virgie has never failed to capitalize on her daughter's fame. She is not a person I would want around my children. Anna certainly was no saint, but she did see her mother very clearly.