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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, April 20, 2007 - 11:43 am
This site has a running list of pet foods/companies that are NOT on the recall list. It's a great resource as they cover how and where (and by whom) the foods are made, if the companies contacted gave out that info. Interestingly, you will find that even in the case of some of the food lines considered tip-top or ultra-premium (blah, blah...), there are a good number listed that might manufacture their own dry line but some of their canned foods are made by Menu. They are usually quick to add that they don't use the tainted ingredients or they have their own quality control standards, etc. http://www.thepetfoodlist.com/index.htm (I think this has already been posted in this thread, but since the "who makes what" is being discussed...)
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Friday, April 20, 2007 - 12:48 pm
Thanks Bonza. It seems that it's getting easier to just see what is not on the recall list! This is a terrible situation. Re: the Innova I posted about above. It is made by Natura, maybe some of the other brands they make are lower in calories. Maybe the senior food is lower in calories too, but I don't know if the nutrition would be appropriate. Re: Wysong, our cats had that from time to time. I could only find it at our vet and one independent grocery store. They also make meat only canned cat and dog food. I realize that does not have enough vitamins. Anyway, I've read some things written by Dr. Wysong and articles quoting him. From my memory, I think he had recipes and lots of suggestions other than commercial cat and dog food. I also think he wrote that commercial pet food is a last resort (I think his first choice is raw meat with bones.) It's been over a year since I read this so my memory could be failing me some. Anyway, looking him up on the internet may give some help with feeding our very important pets in this scary recall time. I feel okay using Innova, especially since we feed our dog dry food only. (The head of the co. that makes Innova has a video on their website. Even though their canned food (or at least some of it) is made by Menu foods in a plant where they haven't had recalls, they've now sent their own company rep. to that plant for quality control for now, and they are either going to build their own production facility for canning (I think they do all their own dry food) or buy one and use it exclusively for their own brands including Innova and Evo.) I appreciated hearing him talk and address this issue.
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Retired
Member
07-11-2001
| Friday, April 20, 2007 - 1:34 pm
Just saw this in the Right Now thread. My prayers go out to Cdbga and her family. Cdbga Member 10-04-2004 Friday, April 20, 2007 - 1:49 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RN...found out yesterday my dad has cancer, this morning that the doc gives him 2 months at most, and just a few minutes ago that he's declining rapidly and they think it may be days. And right now? I'm struggling with the fact that I'd rather have the good weekend I planned than go see my dying father.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, April 20, 2007 - 3:18 pm
Costa, yeah I found Alpine first as I went thru the alpha list, LOL! But wasn't sure about all the San Diego ones. However, if you were really desperate I think some of those stores might deliver, especially if they have other customers nearby. I remember way back in my dog show days I was feeding 6 or so adult labs and I'd buy 300lb at a time of dry food and usually it was something that was hard to find (besides, back then, there were NO stores out our way in Modjeska, which was sparsely settled), but I'd order it and I was going to shows often enough that it was just as easy to have it brought to the dogs shows by the distributor, who would be set up there anyway. They'd even help or let us use their dollies to get it to the car or truck. I'm sure you can find some Costa-approved safe food locally, though. Critter does like the Blue Buffalo Spa Select, but I fear she likes the adult fish flavor better than the mature chicken flavor and at age 17 she has to be considered mature. I may have ruined her for Nutro Senior 
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, April 20, 2007 - 7:17 pm
(((Cdbga)))
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Friday, April 20, 2007 - 7:34 pm
{{Cdbga}}
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 11:24 am
Thanks for the kind thoughts, prayers and hugs. They really mean a lot. On to the pet recall news and links. No new recalls, just some further developments on some of the other stories: 1. A couple articles about the hog feed development: Tainted pet food reaches human fare Authorities hunt pork that may be tainted (sacbee log-in - user name & password: TVCLUBHOUSE) 2. The Food and Drug Administration has opened a criminal investigation in the widening pet food contamination scandal 3. Lucy Postins, a canine nutritionist for The Honest Kitchen, calls for a "Pet Food Revolution". The article contains some tips on what to look for when you choose a pet food. 4. South African Pet Food Industry Bans Chinese Gluten 5. Okay, this is only related due to some of the articles I find being from sites that require log-ins. I found a site today where people share log-ins to free sites that require registration (like the Sacramento Bee site). No registration required there, you just enter in the web address and you get a list of log-ins/passwords you can use. The site is: Bug Me Not.com
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Crzndeb
Member
07-26-2004
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 5:31 pm
Costa...You might want to check out Felidae (Canidae for dogs). Since your kids like the fishy stuff, their Plantinum canned has herring. I don't want to give you any gray hairs (LOL!) I know it is pretty overwhelming. Also, cats need Taurine...that's why home cooking doesn't work unless you are giving them a supplement that includes it.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 6:04 pm
I added that site up top, Bonza.. so we have the bad list and the sofarsogood list..
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 6:24 pm
My dogs food isn't on either list. We use IVD Venison and Potato. Limited ingredients and no additives. I keep hoping we're lucky.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 6:47 pm
Here is another excellent recall list. Thank you to Jinksy. I see it was last updated 4/18 so the very newest ones are not on there yet. But it's an easy to read format and they track the salmonella contamination (in some treats no too long ago) in addition to the melamine issue. (Stop the madness.) http://www.howl911.com/petfoodrecall_list.htm
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 7:29 pm
We got Charlie Chan from a South African veterinarian who is on the Royal Canin SA Board. All his dogs are on Royal Canin and he recommended we feed it to Charlie. Thank heavens we were already feeding the Bil-Jac to Lucee. I keep wondering if his dogs are sick. This is all so sad.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 7:50 pm
Thanks Crzn! I'll check it out. FWIW, the spoonful of canned food they get each night (a 3 oz can lasts two days) is really a treat. Their main source of food (and nutrients) is from their dry (prescription) food. So I'm less worried about nutrients and more worried about what they'll eat. (There's the other thing... I'm a vegetarian. I'm not so wild about having to buy and cook chicken and fish for the brats. If I can't find a canned food that I feel is safe, I will have to though, huh?) Sea, I gave 'em a half can of the Spa Select tonight (some fishy flavor) and they both ate every last bit. On a lighter note... there's a recalled cat food brand called Schnucks. I dunno, but I think on principle of the thing, I just couldn't give my kids anything called Schnucks! It just cracks me up! Schnucks! LMAO!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 8:15 pm
Costa, I know they have a tuna and something and a salmon and something. Angelina, and this was in her last days when she had to feel completely crappy, did her best to snarf down every morsel of that spa select canned food I offered. I'll be forever grateful for that, that she had something (besides sitting on top of me and being gently smooched on) that she could enjoy at that point. Both Angelina and Critter also liked the dry food. Critter's been trying to get up hairballs lately so I dug out my ancient tube of "Kittymalt" (they don't even make that exact brand anymore) and she adores that.. I have to be careful, she licks it off and if I don't move my fingers, she'll start to use her teeth, she wants it ALL.
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 8:31 pm
LOL Costa, Schnucks is a chain grocery store in the midwest. It must be their store brand. 
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 8:32 pm
My dog threw up once today. And I was ready to blame the exchanged food. But he's been fine ever since. So I'm puttin my dukes down for now.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 10:03 pm
I was thinking about the times I would catch a toddler tasting the pet food...I think we have all had that gagging moment! I would grab them up and wash out the mouths. Now today the thought that it is poison and some baby might get ahold of it...makes me scared.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 11:43 pm
Thanks Bonza and Jinksy.. that site has chews and stuff too, the salmonella recalls. I don't use chews anymore but did see something awhile back and posted about the bull pizzles chews but the exact one is listed on that site.
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 6:47 am
The FDA's latest update. No new recalls added, just some info on the developments from the past week. I'm not seeing anything new this morning, which is not a bad thing. I'll be heading to Macon soon, so no more postings from me until tomorrow evening at the earliest.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 9:50 am
Take care, Cdbga. 
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 1:58 pm
Anyone feeding their kids AvoDerm? I picked up a can of some fishy stuff to try on the kids. I checked their Web site and it says: quote:4/18/07 - AvoDerm Natural™ is NOT involved in any recall. We do not use wheat gluten, rice gluten, or rice protein concentrate in any of our dry or canned dog and cat foods. All ingredients in our foods are from certified sources within the United States, with the exception of the Premium New Zealand Lamb and 3 oz. canned cat foods. We have been making high quality natural pet food in our plant for sixty years.
It's the "exception of... 3 oz. canned cat foods" that gives me hiccups. But looking at their ingredients, they are all natural, no added sources of protein besides fish stuff...
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 2:09 pm
Maybe you could contact them and ask what they mean about the cans. I have heard of that brand, though I think it was back when I was breeding labs.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 4:24 pm
Yeah, I did (left a message since, well, obviously, they're closed today!). They have two different types of canned cat foods -- one is called "choice" and I think has chunks of fish or whatever in. And the other is the "classic" canned style. The ingredients list for the "choice" looks almost like human food, though. I also ordered a couple of cans of Paul Newman's organic cat food today. So we'll see if the kids like them, when I get 'em. BTW, for those of you who suggested Innova... sorry, I can't do it! I couldn't find a 3 oz. can. The brats get only a spoonful a night, and a 3 oz. can lasts two days. A 5 oz. can I'd end up throwing out the extra. 
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Monday, April 23, 2007 - 10:24 am
{{Cdbga}}
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 5:37 pm
Good evening all. I just checked in on "borrowed internet" time and found out that tons of stuff has come up in the last couple of days...some of it is pretty scary. I haven't had time to really read any of these articles, but wanted to get them posted. I should be back on normal posting schedule tomorrow or the next day. In the meantime, here are the links: 1. LiveSmart Weight Management Chicken and Brown Rice Recall 2. A second company likely imported rice protein from China that was contaminated with a chemical linked to a major pet food recall 3. China on Monday gave American regulators permission to enter the country 4. Pig Contamination Expands to NY Utah NC SC and Possibly Ohio 5. U.S. Food Supply at High Risk of Terrorist or Profit Driven Tampering - House Hears Testimony on Pet Food Poisonings 6. U.S. health officials are now looking at whether humans may have consumed food containing a chemical linked to a recall of pet foods and livestock feed, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration said on Tuesday That's all I have time for tonight. My dad died yesterday morning, I posted a bit more about it in my folder. I'll be back home tomorrow, I think, and will post more then.
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