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Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Yes, he really is. I remember that homerun too! I think that is one of those 'do you remember what you were doing?' moments ...

Retired
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07-11-2001

Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Retired a private message Print Post    
LT, thanks for the info. I saw that happen too.

BTW, nothing more in the local paper about Imus except the national news stories. Coach Stringer issued a statement about his comments and that was it. I think it was in that link I posted. If you can't find it, let me know, and I'll hunt it up for you. The man and his producer should be fired!

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Retired, I read her statement. She is such a classy lady. And I agree about him and his producer.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 6:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Roots is on tonight on TVOne.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
On Michael Baisden's show yesterday they were talking bout the Inmus issue and this young lady(i think she's 16) recited this poem she wrote. It's very powerful imo:

Violent
By Yvonne Espinoza


We’re violent because this is all we know
You taught us this along time ago
We’re violent because you made us this way
You beat us naked, you hung our people,
Raped our kids and stripped us of our pride
And you now wanna ask why?
Give us a reason not to be
You can’t, it’s impossible

Because to give us a reason, you’d have to right all the wrong you’ve done
But you can’t and if you could then
You’ve only just begun
You’d have to beg for mercy, plead and cry
You’d have to feel the pain we felt
The pain that took lives

You go through the hardships,
The trials and tribulations,
The suffering, the heartache, the dying babies
You sit on a boat full of hundreds of sick,
Old people living to die
How about you dance to make money
Look ignorant on t.v.
Go to jail for nothing
Harassed because others don’t like what they see

Have your people get beat to death
By those who get paid to protect
You eat trash to survive
How about you watch your people and babies die
Get sold for a dime
Kill themselves because they don’t want to live this life

We went through it then and we go through it now
And you know it’s true, and you still ask why?
How dare you have the audacity
Who made you king?

Despite common belief and despite what you think
There is only one king, one God
And he walks with me, with us
The ones who were forced to live in grief
Who were cut, killed, raped and beat
Like animals, brainwashed to think like you

You hacked away, pulled and dragged us down
Until we didn’t want to be Black or Brown
We didn’t want to be Colored or Negroes
We wanted to be High, Suddity, White Folk
We though if we looked, smelled, and act like you
We could live a regular life, and though we tried
You still continued to beat and lay us out
To hang us from our necks, to laugh at our bodies

You could never blame us for being this way
Because you taught us violence
So how dare you think of forming any kind of alliance
Now we know that two wrongs don’t make a right
But since we have none,
Why should we spare your life?

It’s your fault for all of this
And if you didn’t teach us violence
Then who did?
It couldn’t have been us
Because, remember, we’re ignorant!

You should be careful what you say
Because your words have power
Say it enough and it’ll come true…
I know you’ve heard of karma
God have mercy on you.


Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 7:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Don Imus's Show Permanently Dropped by MSNBC

Don Imus's radio show has been dropped permanently from MSNBC, the network announced Wednesday.

"Effective immediately, MSNBC will no longer simulcast the Imus in the Morning radio program," said a statement from NBC news. "This decision comes as a result of an ongoing review process, which initially included the announcement of a suspension. It also takes into account many conversations with our own employees "




found on the People site whose links don't work here...

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 11:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
MSNBC’s action came after a growing list of sponsors — including American Express Co., Sprint Nextel Corp., Staples Inc., Procter & Gamble Co., and General Motors Corp. — said they were pulling ads from Imus’ show for the indefinite future.

I think this is a link for Eeyore's post -
http://tinyurl.com/2gg34b

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 12:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
i heard about this a few hours ago. i waited to post here (so i could find a link). i see links have been provided.

for now it's just MSNBC. even though this only happened because of $$$$$$$$$$ ,it's a huge step forward. the fact that this happened, must mean the majority of the public are outraged and responded. still a long way to go, though. sadly, it's all about money. but, like i said, it's a huge step forward.

i'm not complaining. i'm happy and grateful. this wouldn't have happened if there wasn't a huge outcry.


Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 6:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm not necessarily trying to redirect anyone from discussing this here but for those who are interested there has been an extensive discussion of this subject in

Time to Discuss the Media

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 8:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
"The other n-word": nappy
By Lolly Bowean
Chicago Tribune

CHICAGO — For African-American women, hair has been the battleground for definitions of beauty. And when it comes to their hair, no word is more incendiary than "nappy."

So when Don Imus described members of Rutgers University's women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos," he not only devalued a talented group of young women with a misogynistic term. He also stepped into a fray over "good hair" vs. "bad hair" that has gone on for generations in the black community, stirring up pain and anger over a word that little black girls still lob at one another each other as an insult.

" 'Nappy-headed' means you don't look good. They used that word on slaves, like we don't have hair that's good enough," said Tina Branch, a hair stylist on Chicago's South Side.

The negative meaning of nappy — a reference to tightly curled hair — has been attacked over the years as Afros, dreadlocks and other natural styles celebrated the coarse texture of most African hair.

Yet, despite tote bags, shirts and books that proclaim "Happy to Be Nappy," for some blacks the word implies that people are not beautiful unless their hair is straight.
<snip>

link

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I had no idea how the Term Nappy came about until I looked it up. I thought it was a hairstyle I was quite surprised to find out it had a few meanings.


But there are plenty of Causasians and others who have frizzy/ kinky hair. The definition of Nappy itself isnt the problem is it?

Surely it is the negative historical connotation that is the problem?

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Did you read what I posted above Sunshyne?

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 10:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I don't know where you get that it has a FEW meanings. I read only one, and it isn't nice.


Interesting article Mocha. I never knew it had its origins in slavery, I always thought it was a newer word meaning unkempt. Thanks for sharing.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
of course i did Mocha. that is why I asked my question.
Surely it is the negative historical connotation that is the problem?

eeyore,
I get it has a FEW meanings by actually looking up the various combinations of the word in various sites.

I never realized it had a Negative connotation but did know it didnt mean 'messy or unkempt' ....Frizzy and Kinky is the meaning.

That is why I was surprised. I always thought it was a hairstyle....like Dreadlocks or a Braided Weave AKA Bo Derek in TEN.

If nappy means messy in current slang, I wish it was clearly written.

In our world it is very easy to get oversensitive when certain words are used.

I wouldnt get upset if someone told me I had a Ratsnest on the back of my head for instance. I get them when i wear certain hoodies...I dont take it as a negative slurr, I take it as a 'description' of how my hair is.

Only talking about my personal experience, I have never heard Nappyheaded used in any conversation OTHER than between African Americans on TV. Had no idea that the word ITSELF is considered almost as bad as the N word.

Glad I came here and read all your posts!!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
nap·py3 / nap-ee] – 1. covered with nap; downy.
2. (of hair) kinky.


defintion of NAP which is the origin of the word Nappy.

nap2 /næp/ noun, verb, napped, nap·ping.
–noun 1. the short fuzzy ends of fibers on the surface of cloth, drawn up in napping.
2. any downy coating, as on plants.

–verb (used with object)
3. to raise a nap on.


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[Origin: 1400–50; late ME noppe, OE -hnoppa (as in wullknoppa, mistake for *wullhnoppa tuft of wool), c. MD, MLG noppe; akin to OE hnoppian to pluck]



In my searching I discovered that Nappy was considered a derogitory term by 1950.

However, i am dealing with ONLINE research. We all know to take most of that with a grain of salt.

Considering how slaves were considered stock by Landowners, there is no doubt in my mind that they would have been described with negative connotations.

Like i've said many times in the past, I just cant imagine the extreme bigotry that exists since I jsut plain have never seen it in my neck of the woods. maybe cause we are so multicultural around here...as well as lots of exchange students from Africa. I'd be shocked if I ever heard someone say the N word.

JUST me! I am sure you all ahve completely different experiences.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, April 13, 2007 - 4:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Well being black in America I definately have completely different experiences lol.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, April 13, 2007 - 5:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Bo Derek did not have nappy hair in 10, she had braids, cornrows

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, April 13, 2007 - 5:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Right that was not a braided weave.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Commentary: Nappy hair is beautiful, calling names isn't

This is such a neat commentary, I really enjoyed it.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Excellent commentary.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 4:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Awwwww, that was sweet. Brenda is a lucky child, okay a lucky fictional child.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
How Civil War soldiers saw slavery

The link is a book review on "What This Cruel War is Over" by Chandra Manning, a history professor at Georgetown University.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 3:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Today in African American History:

April 15, 1947 - Jackie Robinson walked onto a baseball field and changed the world.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Jackie Robinson

Jack (John) Roosevelt Robinson was born on January 31, 1919 in Cairo, Georgia. In 1920, his family moved to Pasadena, California. After graduating from John Muir Technical High School, Robinson attended Pasadena Community College. He then transferred to the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). While at UCLA, Robinson played baseball, football, basketball, and track.

In 1942, Robinson was drafted into the Army. He served in Kansas and Texas. He eventually became a second lieutenant. While serving in Fort Hood, Texas, Robinson refused to obey an order to move to the back of the bus. Because this was a violation of Army regulations, a court martial heard the matter. However, Robinson was acquitted.

When Robinson left the Army in 1944, he wanted to play baseball. At the time, baseball teams were segregated and had been since the early 1900s. Therefore, African American baseball players played in Latin America and in the Negro Leagues. Not unlike other African American players, Robinson also joined the Negro Leagues. He began playing for the Kansas City Monarchs.

However, Robinson's career in the Negro Leagues was short. In 1945, Branch Rickey, the manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, requested a meeting with Robinson. Rickey wanted to integrate the major leagues and was looking for a player who could withstand the hostility that would be faced. After determining that Robinson was up to the task, he asked him to first play for the minor league team, the Montreal Royals. On October 23, 1945, it became official when Robinson signed a contract with the team.

After a successful year playing for the Montreal Royals, Robinson was issued a Dodgers' uniform in April 1947. As expected, his entrance into the major leagues was not without controversy. Some fans were hostile, while others were enthusiastic. Regardless of the reaction, Robinson excelled on the team. For the first few years, Robinson did not respond to the insults. But in 1949, he began speaking out against racism. He attacked the jim crow laws in the South and promoted the desegregation of southern hotels and ballparks.

In 1947, The Sporting News, which had initially been opposed to the integration of the major leagues, awarded him its first Rookie of the Year Award. In 1949, he was also awarded the National League Most Valuable Player. In 1956, Robinson retired. From 1957 to 1964, he worked as vice president of personnel at Chock Full O' Nuts. Robinson was also active in the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. He was awarded the Spingarn Medal in 1956. He died in Stamford, Connecticut on October 24, 1972.

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Egbok
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07-13-2000

Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 5:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Egbok a private message Print Post    
Egbob and I are watching the Dodgers vs Padres game on ESPN.

The announcers have been speaking with Rachel Robinson about her early days as a Dodger wife with a 5 month old baby son and about Jackie as a man and baseball player. She always has called him "Jack" and told us that "Jackie" was his stage name, which she giggled as she told. All I can say is what a grand lady and I'm enjoying the conversation immensly!

All the Dodger players are wearing #42 on their jerseys, front and back. They're all Jackie Robinson today.

Now I wish we could have attended today's game.