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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 9:01 am
Grooch, I was talking about the judge who presided over the hearing this morning regarding the paternity testing.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 9:05 am
It bugged me when the judge was asking Birkhead if he thought his insistance on paternity testing would cause Anna more stress. Anna apparently wasn't concerned with Birkheads stress. Why should he have been concerned with her stress, most of which she brought on herself. He didn't know she was going to die.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 9:14 am
Thanks, NT. I didn't know they were showing that this morning.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 9:39 am
NT, I watched it last night. I thought Julia and George had the best interview. You can tell they really got into it also..they did have any of the film clip fillers the others had. I have not seen the judge on tv this am.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 9:47 am
It is true that Daniellynn is a citizen of the Bahamas, however, I don't think Anna or Howard were, in fact, they *fled* the US to avoid US law. I would think the Bahamian gov't and the US gov't would not reward that behavior.
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 10:02 am
Kar, I'm thinking that's where the problem lies. Does the fact that Anna fled US jurisdiction to avoid a court order regarding Dannielynn allow the US to have jurisdiction over Dannielynn who is the citizen of another country and had no control over what Anna did and what Howard has continued to do.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 10:08 am
Well, I wonder if the Bahamian court will look at the fact that Howard's attornies have promised over and over again to comply, and therefore let the US courts have jurisdiction. And they continue to promise they will comply, and even that they will have discussions about it privately between Howard and Larry. Of course, that could all be just "words".
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Sam
Member
05-02-2004
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 10:14 am
Danielynn may have dual citizenship as a child born to Americans outside the United States.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 10:14 am
Isn't Bahama under British rule and law?
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 10:21 am
Personally, I think they first need to do an investigation of the drugs and prescriptions provided to Anna Nicole Smith. As an officer of the court if Howard K. Stern participted in the illegal distribution of pharmaceuticals, he needs to be charged for that first. If the prescriptions were not in Anna Nicole's name as has been alleged and if he was providing drugs to her when she was pregnant and in detox then there may be other charges that could be brought against him. If they bring charges against him and arrest him he will not be able to hide or withhold the child from providing the DNA sample. Once he is in custody, get the sample, do the test. I also think that if they can bring charges against him then the Bahamanian government is more likely to cooperate with US courts because it becomes a criminal matter rather than a civil matter. The child is in the care of caregivers in the bahamas and is young enough that I think they should do this properly and methodically.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 10:24 am
Under international law, I believe the US courts have jurisdiction. The Bahamas are under British rule, and will cooperate with the US courts.... eventually.
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 10:40 am
She's a resident of the Bahamas, but she's not a citizen. Anna was a resident of the Bahamas, not a citizen. So, this would apply to Dannilynn: Persons born in The Bahamas after 9th July 1973 of non-citizen parents. 7.- (1) A person born in The Bahamas after 9th July 1973 neither of whose parents is a citizen of The Bahamas shall be entitled, upon making application on his attaining the age of eighteen years or within twelve months thereafter in such manner as may be prescribed, to be registered as a citizen of The Bahamas : Provided that if he is a citizen of some country other than The Bahamas he shall not be entitled to be registered as a citizen of The Bahamas under this Article unless he renounces his citizenship of that other country, takes the oath of allegiance and make and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed. http://www.constitution.org/cons/bahamas.htm
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 10:44 am
I think the immigration minister of the Bahamas granted Anna citizenship. He is also the one of whom the pictures were published, and who subsequently resigned, right? I'm doing this from memory, so forgive me if I get the details wrong: but I think he granted Anna citizenship based on owning a house there, but now the owner of that house claims she didn't own it. If she were not a citizen, I don't think she could have had Daniel buried there, and that will be the basis of a motion to have Daniel's body moved..... speculating here.
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 10:48 am
Kar, I believe the citizenship to Anna was revoked because she did not own the house...plus the scandal with the immigration minister. ETA: The birth certificate was filed in the Bahamas. No certificate was filed in the U.S.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 11:05 am
New Broward judge questions whether he can hear Anna Nicole Smith paternity case Associated Press Posted February 23 2007, 11:50 AM EST FORT LAUDERDALE -- A skeptical judge said Friday he doubted he had jurisdiction to enter the paternity dispute over Anna Nicole Smith's baby daughter, a day after the starlet's remains were ordered buried in the Bahamas next to those of her son. Smith's boyfriend Howard K. Stern is listed on Dannielynn's birth certificate as her father, but two other men claim paternity. Los Angeles-based photographer Larry Birkhead wants the court here to enforce a California judge's orders so he can get DNA samples from Smith's body and the baby. LocalLinks Circuit Judge Lawrence Korda seemed at a loss as to how the case had landed in his Broward County courtroom. The girl lives in the Bahamas with Stern. ``This child is in the Bahamas. The jurisdiction is in the Bahamas,'' he said, but added that he would examine the issue further before giving a ruling ``soon.'' Before then, Birkhead's attorneys said they had sent doctors to the Bahamas to do the paternity test, and that the doctors were turned away because they did not have work permits and then were refused them. Birkhead attorney Debra Opri urged Korda to order the paternity test ``so Dannielynn can find her way home.'' His attorneys said they planned to go to the Bahamas on Monday to request custody of the 5-month old girl. ``I'll go anywhere I have to,'' Birkhead said outside the courtroom. The developments were the latest in the saga surrounding Smith's death of still-undetermined causes. Three issues remain: whether Smith will be buried in the Bahamas with an appeal in sight, who will get custody of Dannielynn and who is her biological father? On Thursday, a tearful Circuit Judge Larry Seidlin let Dannielynn's court-appointed attorney, Richard Milstein, decide where to bury Smith. He gave no time frame for his choice to do so in the Bahamas, but Smith's estranged mother planned to appeal Friday. Milstein told NBC's ``Today'' show Friday that under Florida law, the girl's rights are paramount in the case. He earlier said that testimony during the hearing made it clear Smith should be buried next to her son, as her Stern wanted. But the mother, Virgie Arthur, wanted Smith brought to her native Texas, and she planned to appeal in a West Palm Beach court Friday. She criticized the judge's scene-stealing antics in the courtroom: ``Maybe he wants to be a movie star,'' she told NBC. Stern attorney Krista Barth expressed frustration at the mother's desire to appeal. Seidlin made it abundantly clear what he felt should be done in giving custody of the body to Milstein. ``I want her buried with her son in the Bahamas,'' he said through tears. ``I want them to be together.'' Seidlin made a surprise decision in a dispute that became more urgent by the day when the medical examiner warned that Smith's body was rapidly decomposing. Stern had been hunched over a table with his hands folded as he listened to Seidlin's ruling and wiped away tears afterward. Arthur covered her eyes. Outside court, Stern joined Arthur and Birkhead before dozens of reporters, and they pledged to work together on funeral arrangements. Seidlin teared up earlier Thursday when he abruptly cut short the proceedings to say he had made up his mind. In a sometimes rambling statement, he said ``I've been trying to figure out, in a spiritual sense, how to bring it all together.'' Milstein, who works for the Miami office of the Akerman Senterfitt law firm, was appointed by Seidlin last week. He has 30 years of experience and specializes in guardianship, probate and mediation, according to the firm's Web site. The judge began Thursday's hearing with a long diatribe, saying Smith's relationships with her mother and Birkhead soured because of overuse of prescription drugs, and referred to Stern as ``maybe an enabler.'' Birkhead testified earlier that he attempted to curb the model's drug use by urging her to seek treatment. When he visited the Bahamas home Smith and Stern shared last year, he said he became increasingly concerned about her medicine use. Testimony in the case has been peppered with details of Smith's sexual liaisons and the deals allegedly being pursued to profit from the deaths of her and her son. Smith married Texas oil tycoon J. Howard Marshall II in 1994 when he was 89 and she was 26. She had been fighting his family over his estimated $500 million fortune since his death in 1995. Story Link Newspaper home link Sorry, I can't make the first link work to the actual page. Maybe a mod can fix it for me. *Links fixed. Kar. 
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 4:41 pm
Finally, Kimmie speaks. Her interview is on www.perezhilton.com or pagesix.com
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 5:09 pm
Why hasn't the paternity test already been done? What's up with dragging the feet? Of course Stern is not the father, or he and Anna wouldn't have been holding it up. While listening to a show on Fox the other night, one of the guests was a good friend of Anna's and she said Anna told her she would never have sex with Stern. Sounds like their relationship was platonic. Also, in listening to Larry on the stand, it sounds like he's the father. This girlfriend also said Anna wanted a blond baby, like her and Daniel. I just don't understand why Larry can't get them to do the paternity test. The more I hear about Stern, that baby needs to be away from him. When asked on the stand what his income was, he stated: "I'm living off money I borrowed from my parents." Huh? How old is this guy? Isn't he a lawyer? Get that baby to her real father now!
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 5:20 pm
My first thought during the Anna Nicole show was "Why does she need a 24 hour a day lawyer?" and "Why doesn't he have any other clients?" Can you say "riding the coattails?"
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 5:20 pm
Cricket, was the woman Jackie Hatten? I have a very hard time believing anything she says. Her brother is in prison for threatening and stalking ANS...and also hitting a neighbor of ANS's that came to help when he was trying to get into her home. Jackie is close to ANS's mother.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 5:26 pm
it is not in Howard's best interest to allow that to happen. he holds the baby, he hold the cards.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 5:33 pm
Howard also testified that Anna paid his rent (even while she was in a relationship and living with Larry), and if he needed a new pair of shoes, guess who paid for those?
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 5:39 pm
an interesting point was brought up on one of the news shows. the judge in Florida is a probate judge. And a probate judge is more of a mediator than a trial judge. The role of mediator is more conversational than a 'regular' judge and it isn't out of the norm for a probate judge to do the questioning of the parties.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 5:47 pm
Well, another interesting point - the judge attached or referenced in his decision, prior case law by a three judge appellate court setting a clear precedent in Florida law that an underage child not only can but *should* be declared the next of kin in cases of who owns the remains, and in cases where the child is too young, it is quite appropriate to appoint a guardian and award the remains to the guardian. So, as much as he was a camera hog, his decision appears to be quite sound, and unlikely to be overturned.
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 8:29 pm
Oops
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, February 23, 2007 - 10:13 pm
okay, i've been really patient, but this is getting ridiculous. now there is ANS discussion in TWO threads. i want our regular Hollywood Gossip thread back. how about there is a thread dedicated to ANC and we can get this one back to our regular celebrity gossip???? Please????

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