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Landi
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07-29-2002

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 9:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
i just talked to my husband about the vaccine and he said, and i quote "we don't know enough, and no way in hell is she getting it! we don't know what damage it can do to her!"

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 9:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Seriously though, get educating your daughters on HPV whether you're for or against this vaccine. Many people don't realize that MEN can be CARRIERS of HPV, and never know it. So we also need to be teaching our young ladies to wrap the whopper.

I am POSITIVE that it must be hard for a mother to talk to her daughter about sex before she thinks her daughter "should" be having sex, but plain and simple, it happens a HECK of a lot earlier than you will ever know. I was a pretty girl in high school, and opportunities started when I was 14. Yes, 14. I was a volunteer track coach of girls aged 13-17, and quite a few of the 13 year olds were having sex (and felt I was trustworthy or cool enough to talk about it around me). And those girls live in a city that is KNOWN for its high number of church-goers per capita (Abbots ford), and it was at a school where the "good" and "rich" kids went. So it's not even a demographic thing that might make you immune to such behavior.

I personally am all for the vaccine, and testing is a lot more thorough than back in the DES days 50 years ago. Heck, they were still doing frontal lobotomies at that time. And because of the thalidimide and DES problems, research and results need to be WAY more sure of a positive outcome.

If someone doesn't want to believe their daughter is having sex, at least set her up to avoid problems later on in life, because you can't control what she's doing mid-afternoon.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 9:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Eeyore, most definitely all parents should talk to both sexes of their kids about the risks of STD. At the course my daughter and I took, one thing they kept hammering home was the fact that the guy can carry it and never know how many girls he has infected. Also, the girl might not show up with symptoms/problems till much later (when they find out they are infertile for example)
I am sure the testing was thorough, but we don't know the long term side effects because the girls that the drug was tested on are still young. The long term effects concern me.
But again, this is a personal decision for everyone woman.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Yup, I understand Tex, and I'm glad you brought this thread up. It NEEDS to be talked about. Even if everyone is against the vaccine, that's fine. But I just hope it gets them thinking about their daughters (and sons for that matter) in a new light. Girls are doing dirty nasty things you'd never DREAM of doing when you were their age. It's raunchy.

If this thread gets even ONE parent sitting their child down and having a very frank discussion, then you have done a good thing.

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<100> Seriously, if a girl wears makeup, she needs to learn how to use a condom. Better safe than sorry is my way of looking at it. I'd rather scare the bejeezus out of my daughter, than have her come home with an ooops, or have warts to explain to every new man in her future.



Landi, I cannot believe your gyno won't give your daughter a pelvic because she's "not sexually active". Because nothing can go wrong BEFORE sexual activity? Pffft!!! My friend had ovarian cysts very early, and another one had cervical problems and she WAS a virgin at the time. And ESPECIALLY with your daughter's pelvic history, I'd probably want to make sure the rest of the bits were in working order. I know you guys are just going along with what is recommended by a doctor, but wow, I'm surprised a doctor would not recommend a thorough investigation.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
I agree testing is better than it was years ago; however, the Ortho patch slipped through testing, FenFen slipped through testing, etc. Many drugs get put on the market and widely touted as the new and best cure for whatever and then it turns out to not only not be but dangerous to boot.

In this state I don't think any child can go to school without all the vaccines period. My grandson goes to a private christian school and they wouldn't let him attend because he hadn't had the chicken pox vaccine. They said it was state law. Each state is probably different.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure "hard" is the right word, Eeyore. You start early talking about sex in ways they can understand like telling an older child that "mommy has a baby in her tummy and the doctor will help her get it out" and build up from there. Sure you don't want to think about your kids having sex before you are ready for them too, but realistically it's gonna happen (are we ever ready for our babies to grow up???) and you need to have an open, honest relationship with them so you can discuss sex.

Julie, it is preventitive for children that young to be getting it. The sad truth is though that horrible things can happen and some kids can grow up too fast. If this vaccine does what it says it does with no negative side effects, then it's better to be safe is my thinking. As I said though, it makes me nervous how quick it is going. I don't remember hearing about this vaccine more than a month or so ago and all of a sudden it is mandatory for one state for teh girls to get it.

Annie, what kind of course did you take with your daughter and where did you find something like that??? It sounds like a really wonderful thing for parents and their children to take together and gives each of them a good opening to discuss it at home!

Landi
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07-29-2002

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
eeyore, they did a sonogram and other tests without having to use a speculum and tear things that weren't torn yet.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
looks like California is looking to make it mandatory
BILL of the week (1/18/07)
Assembly Bill 16 (Lieber-D, Mountain View)



Eeyore, I agree with War. It's not hard, it's different LOL, but it starts way before they are preteens.
War, the course is actually called "Sex, God and Me". Our church offers it every 2 years for kids and their parents 6th grade thru 12th. It changes every time a little, but I started this course when ds was in 7th. We have had some amazing speakers, and it's most definitely not a 'don't have sex cause God says so' program.
here is a fantastic speaker. We used her video the last time.
http://www.pamstenzel.com/

we have also had these people come out.
http://www.aimforsuccess.org/

i think in fact, the last time we had this program it was Pam's video the first night and then the AIM person the next week.

here's the official site, but i don't think we use their curriculum
http://www.sexgodandme.com/

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
That's why it shouldn't be imposed on anyone.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Oh and THAT (because God says so) is the reason why many would want the choice to have the vaccine.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Annie, that sounds like a good course. Just the fact that moms and kids are talking is a GOOD thing.

But that may not be enough, is what I'm saying, for some kids. And how sad it is.

Really young kids here think they are safe with oral and anal sex, or that it isn't sex. And they often don't protect. And they can be frighteningly young.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
\it is sad. Sea. I think that education is the best protection for our kids.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Without a doubt.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
That does sound like a good course Annie! There's been frequent talks in my house lately about puberty (Caleb and Darren) but he really isn't liking talking to me much about it. I'm not too worried about it since I don't really have the same 10 year old boy experience Darren does, lol.

I agree Annie, education is the best protection for our kids. I've found it's not so hard discussing this stuff with them (again my kids are younger so our conversations haven't gotten too graphic or in depth yet) but it is harder to make sure we aren't going too fast or too far for them. It's a very delicate balance sometimes!

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 1:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Texas Gov. Urged Against Cancer Order
Monday, February 5, 2007 11:04 PM EST
The Associated Press
By LIZ AUSTIN PETERSON

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Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 5:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
War, it really is a great program. It's obviously about abstinence, but it talks about ALL the risks (HIV, pregnancy, STD, emotional damage ect) and how in the long run it's easier to say no than yes. It also deals with how alcohol and drugs effect your judgement (70% of kids' first sexual experience involved one or the other).

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 6:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Drugmaker stops lobbying efforts for STD shots