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Wapland
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 11:46 am
Hi, I usually try not to get involved in discussions regarding painting, but this time I could not resist. My hubby and I own and operate a painting company. It is our professional advice NOT to paint over top of wallpaper. Can you, yes. Should you....no. The paint will often not adhere to the surface even if you prime first as Mocha suggested. Although you often see English DYI shows painting over their wallpaper please remember that they use a different "form" of glue on their wallpapers and the paint is often based differently than the paint we use here in North America. Although it is a pain to get off wallpaper, believe me when I say it is well worth the effort, because it will avoid a potential mess. Often the moisture in the paints we use overtime will cause the paper to release and then you will end up having to remove the remaining paper anyway, hence the mess. Paper Tiger (which is a patented brand name of a device) should be used to penetrate the paper, then wet a small area, let it soak in and finally scrape. This really your best bet. Don't rush the steps because each one is important. Let the water soak in the paper before you start to scrape. Good luck. Fondly, Wappy
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 12:48 pm
I have never had any problem. One room I did was the bathroom. We have been in our house 14 years. Optimally, taking down the wallpaper is the best thing to do, but painting over the wallpaper has worked very nicely for us.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 1:24 pm
Thank you all!!! I truly appreciate all your input!
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 3:06 pm
Wapland, I have seen a lot of shows where they have to paint over wallpaper because it was improperly put up in the first place. They say the sheetrock will come off with the wallpaper, is this not true?? Just curious, don't have this problem myself.
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Wapland
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 5:57 pm
Dipo, Although very rare, (in our 13 years of business, we have only seen it happen once) some wallpaper will take sheetrock with it when you try to remove it. You will know instantly when it happens and in that case, addding paint will not cause the paper to peel. In that situation when it happened for us, we put up paintable wallpaper over top of the old and then painted. Fondly, Wappy
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 7:44 am
Hmmm, maybe I should have tried that, the paintable wallpaper and then paint! Dang. Too late now... Well, the wallpaper was taking the wall down with it. So we got an oil based primer (the guy mixed it a hot pink!) That went on very nicely. It was think and had it been the color we wanted, one coat would have done it. BUT NOOOO, we wanted red. Well, now I have put at least 2 coats on and it is still streaky and mottled. You can for sure see where I trimmed the edges and where I rolled. It looks horrid! I am hoping more coats will do the trick. I have painted tons of rooms in my time, and NEVER had this happen. Is it just cuz we are doing red? Should we have gotten a gray primer? HELP!! If anyone can tell me this is normal, I will feel more hopeful. Right now I am distressed. I spent more than 10 hours yesterday and most of that was on the red areas, (Which if you look above, I only painted the wall where the sliding door is on and the wall with the pantry and that is not a lot of square footage. Though I did paint all the way to the floor in case we don't want to do the beadboard. (I also finished the pink which was basically just the soffit area and inside the refrigerator wall.)
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 7:57 am
Pink. Went on easy and looked very nice (If we wanted a pink kitchen!!!!)
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 8:00 am

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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 8:53 am
Stick with it, Julie, you'll get it perfect soon.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 9:04 am
Yes you use hotpink primer if you're painting walls red. How many coats of primer did you use?
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 9:07 am
Red takes alot of coats.
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Vee
Member
02-23-2004
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 9:17 am
What about the use of a chair rail? 
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 9:46 am
Julie, I did a berry red in my kitchen a few years ago, and had the same problem that you are having. It took three coats of the red for it to finally look good. Good luck!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 10:08 am
A chair rail will go in for sure and probably the beadboard too, you can see the horizontal lines of the border pretty easily. I think I am bummed of how dark the red is, it looks too brown to me. And I spent weeks looking at every store within 25 miles searching for the perfect red.... Thank you all for the support... This is so much more of a job than I imagined..
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Vee
Member
02-23-2004
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 1:11 pm
Hang in there, Julie. It will have been so worth it once you are done!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 1:44 pm
Did you do test swatches? I have found it always looks so different on the walls. I am sure it will work out fine.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 2:02 pm
quote:(If we wanted a pink kitchen!!!!)
OMG I absolutely love your pink kitchen!!!!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 2:37 pm
Well the multiple coat seems to be (s-l-o-w-l-y) doing the trick. Though it is darker than I wanted, but at least I think I can finish myself. This morning I was 2 seconds away from dailing a professional... I am giving up on painting the bottom and I will go with the beadboard/wainscoting. I think I will have a professional do that... Oh, one of the biggest problems was that I was using a brush and not a roller. THe brush was not giving a "clean" finish. Very liney and streaky. I was using a brush cuz the sides of the doors were not very wide... Ya live and ya learn... You can see on the redder wall (the one posted here) which only has one coat (and is the color I wanted!) that it is not super streaky. I think 2 or 3 at the most will suffice for this wall. (Unlike the other 2 that have at least 5 coats! UGGH!) It will take me many more days I think to finish...

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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 2:40 pm
Here are shots where you can see how dark the paint got after a few coats... Though looking at the bottom picture, the color is not that dark. It does not look plum like the photo shows. It is closer to the top photo. (Though everyone has a different monitor anyways...)
 
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 3:33 pm
Julie, it only looks too dark to you because of the pink. it looks gorgeous next to your trim! and get a roller!!!!!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 5:51 pm
Thanks Annie. (Rollers are my friend!) I cannot believe how much my muscles ache right now. I just took Ryan to swimming lessons and on the way home I picked up some (gasp) fast food for dinner for him, so I was in the car sitting down at least a half hour. When I got home, I could hardly get out of the car... I would actually almost be enjoying the pain, if only the whole kitchen was painted!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 5:54 pm
Do you think it will still look really good with wainscoting on the bottom half? I really like the solid walls now, but the border really does not make that a good idea. Plus I have stopped painting the bottoms and if I resumed, I am afraid the paintjob would look bad...
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 5:57 pm
bead board? i think it would look great.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, March 05, 2007 - 6:13 pm
Thanks Annie. I needed that right now!!! 
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 3:05 pm
My favorite color is red. Love what you are doing Julieboo. We painted Grammas living room red and primed with gray. It went on nicely. We did two coats of each, no mottled look. We used Kilz paint.
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