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Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Usually a 'whole' champion horse is retired to stud after his 3 year old season. Owners don't want to take a chance of injury to a potential gold mine. The ones that keep running for years are either cheap horses or geldings.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 10:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
3 year old season. Hmph. A horse should just be being broke and trained at about 3 years old not retired after a racing career.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
I thought for sure they would "harvest" some of Barbaro's sperm. I'm still not sure I understand why they didn't??

Very sad story!!

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 11:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
No one would pay for sperm in a bottle at possibly $100,000 per dose. A race horse has his inner lip tattooed for identification in order to make sure the bloodlines are kept pure. You can never be sure whose sperm is in a bottle. You could be paying those big bucks for sperm from Farmer Brown's mule for all you knew.

Now, the owners could have harvested some of Barbaro's sperm to get a foal for their own private enjoyment, but it would never be allowed to race. Ya gotta play by the rules. And believe me after many years in the horse racing industry, they are many and strict.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
Wow ... OG ... I had no idea! $100,000 per dose, that's amazing as well! Thank you for explaining that to me.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
OG, what if the buyer is there to witness the sperm, uh, retrieval? And couldn't testing be done to confirm that you are getting what you paid for?

Why would the foal not be allowed to race if it had the potential?

I realize this thread has gone way OT, but this is all very interesting.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
one would think with dna testing it would be easy enough to verify.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 5:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Sorry, guys, no horsing around, no racing around. Thems the rules. Who knows, with the advent of DNA they may eventually change them. It cost mucho bucks to take your mare to the stud. She usually has to stay there for several weeks until she's in season and the deed is done. They don't keep your mare for free. You have to pay for daily room and board.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 5:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
I thought it was all artifical insemination. Pay for the semen and do the rest yourself. But what do I know ... it's sounds so much more complicated!!

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 5:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Its so nice to have a stud around the barn.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 6:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
OG, do they provide photographic proof that the stud selected did indeed cover that mare.. do the deed, in fact? Otherwise it still could be other studs, to save the star.

I know with dogs you had to have some trust, but I do know some people who would literally take a picture two "tied" for proof.

AKC was allowing AI back when I was still in dogs, I think. And lots of people were freezing semen of their best studs before they got too old.

Interesting..

Landi
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07-29-2002

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
my mother was a dog breeder of show poodles. she had the #2 dog in the country at one time. there were 8 straws in the AI bank when he passed, and they sold for $1,000 each. she had certifications of authenticity from the AI bank that they were taken from this dog on that date, etc. etc.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
The things you learn here..

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 7:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Good question, Seamonkey. There would be no point in not using the stud you pay for. They want him to father foals that do well so their sire gets a good reputation for fathering winners. More winners, more mares to cover and more money to make.

If they used another horse, other than the one you paid for, and the foal was a lousy race horse that would ruin the stud's reputation and the owner would eventually start losing money.

I hope I explained this good enough to understand.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 7:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Limiting breeding to the real deal is a way to decrease competition and keep stud prices unbelievably high. DNA testing is used to verify claimed parentage.

Standardbreds do allow AI, and it has caused stud fees to go way down, meaning that the horses must do their major earning at the racetrack. The Jockey Club is savvy enough to have learned from their error. Registration of thoroughbreds is controlled by the Jockey Club, and I highly doubt they'll be changing their practices any time soon. They like the high stud fees that the big winners bring.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 8:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
It's amazing the interesting things we learn here at tvch!!!

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 9:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Herckleperckle a private message Print Post    
Best-selling author Sidney Sheldon dies

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Author Sidney Sheldon, 80, is photographed at New York's Waldorf Astoria in this October 1997 file photo. Sheldon, who won awards in three careers- Broadway theater, movies and television- before turning to writing best-selling novels, died Tuesday, Jan. 30, 2007. He was 89.

LOS ANGELES (AP): Sidney Sheldon, who won awards in three careers- Broadway theater, movies, television - then at age 50 turned to writing best-selling novels about stalwart women who triumph in a hostile world of ruthless men, has died. He was 89.

Sheldon died Tuesday afternoon of complications from pneumonia at Eisenhower Medical Center in Rancho Mirage, said Warren Cowan,his publicist of more than 25 years. His wife Alexandra and his daughter, author Mary Sheldon, were by his side.

"I've lost a long-time and dear friend," Cowan said. "In all my years in this business, I've never heard an unkind word said about him."

Sheldon's books, with titles such as "Rage of Angels," "The Other Side of Midnight," "Master of the Game" and "If Tomorrow Comes," provided his greatest fame. They were cleverly plotted with a high degree of suspense and sensuality and a device to keep the reader turning pages.

"I try to write my books so the reader can't put them down,"he explained in a 1982 interview. "I try to construct them so when the reader gets to the end of a chapter, he or she has to read just one more chapter. It's the technique of the old Saturday afternoon serial: leave the guy hanging on the edge of the cliff at the end of the chapter."

Sheldon prided himself in the authenticity of his novels. He remarked in 1987: "If I write about a place, I have been there.If I write about a meal in Indonesia, I have eaten therein that restaurant. I don't think you can fool the reader."

Unlike other novelists who toiled over typewriters or computers, he dictated 50 pages a day to a secretary or a tape machine. He corrected the pages the following day, continuing the routine until he had 1,200 to 1,500 pages.

"Then I do a complete rewrite- 12 to 15 times," he said. "I spend a whole year rewriting."

Several of his novels became television miniseries, often with the author as producer.

Sheldon began writing as a youngster in Chicago, where he was born Feb. 17, 1917. At 10, he made his first sale: $10 for a poem. During the Depression, he worked at a variety of jobs,attended Northwestern University and contributed short plays to drama groups.

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
Molly Ivins died of breast cancer. She was 62.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 5:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
That is very sad Color, she fought for so long.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 7:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Longish Molly Ivins obit.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/31/obit.ivins.ap/index.html longer article.

The writer, who made a living poking fun at Texas politicians, whether they were in her home base of Austin, Texas, or the White House, revealed in early 2006 that she was being treated for breast cancer for the third time.

More than 400 news organizations, including CNN.com, subscribed to her nationally syndicated column, which combined strong liberal views and populist-toned humor. Ivins' illness did not seem to hurt her ability to deliver biting one-liners.

"I'm sorry to say (cancer) can kill you but it doesn't make you a better person," she said in an interview with the San Antonio Express-News in September, the same month cancer claimed her friend, former Gov. Ann Richards.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 8:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
that makes me so very sad! she was a wonderful, fiery lady.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
Rosie had a lovely, long list of quotes on her blog today about Molly. My favorite:

"I am not anti-gun. I’m pro-knife. Consider the merits of the knife. In the first place, you have to catch up with someone in order to stab him. A general substitution of knives for guns would promote physical fitness. We’d turn into a whole nation of great runners. Plus, knives don’t ricochet. And people are seldom killed while cleaning their knives."

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
Tige Andrews, Capt. Adam Greer on the "Mod Squad", died on January 27 of cardiac arrest at age 86.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 5:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Singer-actress Barbara McNair dies at 72



By Dan Whitcomb Mon Feb 5, 7:51 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Singer and actress Barbara McNair, who starred opposite Elvis Presley and
Sidney Poitier and became one of the first black women to host her own television variety show, has died at 72, her husband said on Monday.

McNair died on Sunday after a long battle with throat cancer, husband Charles Blecka told Reuters. McNair, who started singing in church as a girl, was still performing as recently as late last year.

"She was the strongest person I knew," Blecka said. "She was powerful in a strong way. If she set her sights to do something, she did it and did it in a dignified way."

McNair broke into show business as a nightclub singer and had nearly a two-decade recording career but she parlayed her early fame into a series of TV appearances and ultimately became better known as an actress.

After making her feature film debut in the 1968 crime drama "If He Hollers Let Him Go," she went on to star along with Mary Tyler Moore and Jane Elliott opposite Presley in his last movie, 1969's "Change of Habit." McNair, Moore and Elliott all played nuns and Presley portrayed a doctor.

McNair may have been best known in movies for her role as Poitier's wife in the 1970 classic "They Call Me Mister Tibbs!" and its 1971 sequel "The Organization."

She hosted a syndicated musical variety series, "The Barbara McNair Show" in 1969 when few black women were given such opportunities. Entertainers who appeared on the show during its brief run included Tony Bennett, Sonny and Cher and Bob Hope.

"A lot of people think celebrity comes with a burden," said Blecka, who also served as McNair's manager. "Barbara never did. Along with her inner strength she had this ability to just accept everybody, in all walks of life. Ask anybody in the business, she was one of the most wonderful people you'd ever want to come across."

McNair also appeared on Broadway in productions of "The Body Beautiful," "No Strings" and "The Pajama Game."

Acting roles dwindled for McNair in the 1970s and '80s but she continued to sing at nightclubs and cabarets and made occasional TV appearances on shows such as "The Jeffersons" and the "Redd Foxx Show."

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Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 5:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Here is one of my favorite photos of her, she was such a classy lady.

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