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Oregonguy
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02-12-2006
| Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 6:23 pm
I will not have any baseball reports until March 1st. just Oregonguy being Oregonguy.
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Newman
Member
09-25-2004
| Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 6:36 pm
That's 'cause your team wins more often than not. My Rockies are perennial losers. Losing wears on a person. A fan needs hope. WE've never made the playoffs during a full season, ever.
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Mamapors
Member
07-29-2004
| Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 6:44 pm
LOL Oregonguy. So subtle. But I thank that date should be February 28th.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 6:50 pm
i'm in italy on my own worout regimen so i get an extra day.
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Mamapors
Member
07-29-2004
| Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 7:01 pm
Why didn't you say so? I thought you were taking care of personal business (what have you been doing the last 5 months????). OK, it is OK if I make fun of him, but no one else. So, he might show up tomorrow. (WHAT IS HE THINKING???)
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 7:44 pm
i'm talking manny, are u talking bonds?
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Mamapors
Member
07-29-2004
| Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 8:00 pm
Ok your are on. Barry will show up first. Round 1 will go to me.
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Mamapors
Member
07-29-2004
| Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 1:05 pm
I know not a lot of you care much about baseball, but I am in heaven. Spring training has started. I am watching the Giants and Cubs on WGN and listening the the other half of the Giants play Team USA in Scottsdale. I couldn=t be happier. I am off to Arizona a week from Tuesday for a week in the sun and a lot of spring training baseball.
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Julieboo
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02-05-2002
| Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 1:49 pm
Bread and Circuses by: Dudski Holy Toledo Milo-Harry Caray is Dead Feb 14, 2006 Some things you don't do. For example, picking fights with dead guys. Milo Hamilton, a Hall of Fame announcer with the Cubs, Braves, Pirates, and Astros probably knows this rule. But when you're in your late seventies and writing a book ("Making Airwaves: Sixty Years at Milo's Microphone") you may not feel that the rules apply to you. Maybe you just don't care. You may be asking yourself, who is Milo Hamilton? That's the problem. Most people don't know who Milo Hamilton is. But even casual fans know Harry Caray. Legendary voice of the Cubs and Cardinals. Larger than life personality. Through WGN and cable TV's tremendous reach, a national celebrity. And, according to Milo Hamilton, "a miserable human being." Caray's fame must eat at Hamilton. Both are in the Hall of Fame and had long careers at the microphone. Having heard both, I can tell you that Hamilton was a much better announcer. He knew the game better, was better prepared, and was much easier to listen to. But, he wasn't Harry Caray. Caray was everyone's blustery old uncle. Hamilton was a friend of the family whose name you could never quite remember. So now Hamilton gets to set the record straight. He talks about the days he worked with Caray in Chicago. Recounts how Caray, just over to the Cubs from the White Sox, tells Hamilton "Well, kid, if I were you, I'd leave town." Talks about how Caray rode players and managers. Of how some in the Tribune company didn't feel that 'someone like Caray' should work for their company. And talks about Caray criticizing him on the air for missing a game when Hamilton was being treated for leukemia. You get the idea Hamilton didn't like Caray. ''I see [the statue of Harry Caray] every time the Astros visit Wrigley Field. When I get off the bus, I say to myself, "I gotta go get some peanuts and feed the pigeons so they'll fly over the statue all day long.'' Hamilton says it's because he believes the first statue outside Wrigley should have been of Ernie Banks. I suspect it's because he wishes it had been of Milo Hamilton. A plague on both their houses. In his book, "This Ain't Brain Surgery", Astro legend Larry Dierker talks about broadcasting with Hamilton, who comes across as grouchy and self-absorbed. Dierker describes a man who loved baseball, but loved Milo Hamilton more. Who signs autographs with his catch phrase 'Holy Toledo', which ironically few would recognize as being uniquely his. Harry Caray was not without flaws or detractors. Anyone who heard him try to ride players he didn't like out of town on the air knows he wasn't the loveable guy he has been made out to be. When he was struck by a car in St. Louis he appeared at a game on crutches. The fans cheered and he threw away one crutch. They cheered more and he threw the other away. Wild applause. Later he revealed he hadn't used the crutches in weeks. Caray left St. Louis on bad terms with the Busch family, who thought he had become more than friends with one of their daughter-in-laws. He was a difficult partner for his sidekicks and at the end of his career, a caricature. Some will revile Hamilton for falsehoods. I suspect they are wrong. Hamilton's observations have the ring of truth. But they won't tip the scales toward Hamilton or give him much recognition. And they won't take away what people choose to remember about Harry Caray. It doesn't really matter who our sports heroes are in real life, what matters is what we want them to be. In the end, Hamilton's book is paper thrown at a windstorm. It won't hurt Harry Caray, but it will blow back on Milo Hamilton.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 2:38 pm
<57> Even the reviewer in the article you posted said that Hamilton's observations were probably true. Is he not entitled to his opinion?
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 3:00 pm
He is. And so am I. <57> I heard him on a local radio station the other day and man, talk about sour grapes...<57>, I mean Harry has been dead for 8 years and now he's going to rip on him? Come on. He's gonna try and blame Harry for him not getting a job. That was up to Milo and the Cubs at the time. Too bad for him that Harry was chosen, but it's not like Harry fired him. Tell me what Harry actually did to Milo that warrants this kind of badmouthing? (Especially 8 years after the guy dies?) The only "bad" thing that I can tell is that Harry made a comment about Milo missing work when he was in the hospital for a week. So that is the main reason. Milo's telling people that Harry was a miserable human being and I don't think that is justified. Not even a little bit. Like the writer said, all this negativity will blow back on Milo.
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Mamapors
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07-29-2004
| Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 3:10 pm
I agree Julie. No reason for some of the things he said in the book. Cheap shots in my mind.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 3:25 pm
There are always two sides to every story. Here is another article on the whole thing So, Milo, tell us what you really think Autobiography not exactly kind to Dierker, Caray By BRIAN MCTAGGART Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle In his upcoming autobiography, Astros Hall of Fame broadcaster Milo Hamilton writes about his childhood in Iowa, recalls his battle with leukemia, and remembers highlights from his 60 years behind the microphone. Hamilton also doesn't mince words when discussing a pair of ex-colleagues: former Astros manager and current broadcaster Larry Dierker and former Chicago Cubs broadcaster Harry Caray......... "I'm sure a lot of people will be surprised to know what was going on, and that's why I wrote about it," Hamilton said Wednesday. "It's my book and my story, and it was time for me to say some things about some people that have been a part of my life and that I've had some bumps and bruises.".......... Hamilton and Caray worked together in St. Louis in the 1950s and again years later with the Chicago Cubs before Hamilton left for Houston in 1985 because of what the Cubs called "personality differences." Caray died in 1998. "Being around Caray, day after day, was a real challenge," Hamilton writes. "Harry's handling of people was poor, to say the least. It didn't matter if he was dealing with the starting pitcher, traveling secretary, the public relations person or an usher. He treated everyone the same way. In short, he was a miserable human being." Ibach, a former Baltimore Sun sportswriter and Cubs public relations director, recalled Wednesday a handful of examples when Caray put Hamilton through what he calls "a living hell." "When I first came to the Cubs at the end of the '81 season, (former Cubs lead announcer) Jack Brickhouse handed the baton to Milo, and it was announced on air," Ibach said. "All of a sudden, Milo got an invitation to a press conference. He shows up, and Tribune's introducing Harry Caray as lead broadcaster. Milo was shocked. To his credit, he composed himself in the back of the room that day. "Harry said, 'What are you doing? I thought you'd leave town by now.' " http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3646489.html
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 3:37 pm
I realize that Caray had a wonderful career and tons of accomplishments, but Hamilton wasn't exactly a nobody in the biz. Millions of sports fans know the dulcet tones of Milo Hamilton's melodious voice. They remember his call of baseball's most magic moment: the home run that made Hank Aaron the new home run king in 1974. However, he was also behind the mike when Roger Maris hit his 61st home run in 1961, when Stan Musial hit five home runs in one day, and when Nate Colbert duplicated Musial's feat two decades later. Now in his seventh decade at the baseball mike, Hamilton was the oldest active announcer who worked the entire 162-game schedule in 2005. Hamilton has called 11 no-hitters and two World Series, often in tandem with such broadcast legends as Jack Buck, Jack Brickhouse, and Bob Elson. Those pairings did not always prove to be perfect. In the book, Hamilton speaks frankly about his tenuous relationship with Harry Caray when the two were paired together in St. Louis during the mid-1950's and again in Chicago during the early 1980's. He also discusses his rocky relationship with former Astros broadcaster and manager Larry Dierker. The talented but brash Hamilton was certainly known to sometimes make waves in addition to airwaves, but his work was so well-received that he was enshrined into the broadcasters' wing of the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1992. He received an even more unexpected honor eight years later - election to the exclusive Radio Hall of Fame, of which only seven other baseball broadcasters belong. . http://www.sportspublishingllc.com/book.cfm?id=797
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 3:53 pm
So explain to me, what fault Harry had for Milo not getting that job? That was the Tribune's fault for letting Milo take a hit like that, not Harry. All I see are sour grapes and cheap shots.
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Mamapors
Member
07-29-2004
| Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 3:55 pm
I have read most of the book. I just feel Milo took many cheap shots at many people, not just Carey. I don't like people who take their shots in a book (while they are trying to make $$$$$). Do it another way, if you must!!!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 3:56 pm
And I am not saying Milo was a bad broadcaster. I think he has a great voice and I know he knows baseball. I just think he made himself look so bad by badmouthing Harry (and some others too!) so badly.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 4:01 pm
Cheap maybe, but inaccurate? It doesn't seem that many are disputing that, just whether or not he should be saying them at all. Even Larry Dierker has said that Milo's criticisms of him were probably accurate. Frankly, I think this has probably been eating at him for years and since his wife died last year and he is pretty much retired, he figured what the heck. He has also gotten alot like Caray in his later years..old and crotchety.
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Jagger
Member
08-07-2002
| Monday, March 06, 2006 - 5:17 pm
For any of the Minnesota Twins fans, or Kirby Puckett fans they just reported that he passed away this afternoon from a stock he suffered yesterday. He was one of the greatest ball players this state has ever seen.
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Nancy
Member
08-01-2000
| Monday, March 06, 2006 - 5:40 pm
I used to love hearing his name called over the p.a. system Kirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Mamapors
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07-29-2004
| Monday, March 06, 2006 - 6:07 pm
That makes me so sad. I so hoping he was going to recover.
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Mamie316
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07-08-2003
| Monday, March 06, 2006 - 6:23 pm
Nancy, I was just saying to my husband how I just always loved his name.
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Tigerfan
Member
11-06-2003
| Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 11:31 am
Finally! The truth comes out... I hope they not only kick him out of Baseball, I hope he's banned from the Hall of Fame. . . http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/03/06/news.excerpt/index.html
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Mamapors
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07-29-2004
| Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 6:57 pm
I don't care. I want to shout it from the mountain tops, I DON"T CARE!!! The article rehashed old information and old accusations and old hearsay information and old leaks, etc. Nice timing. Season to start, Babe should be passed in the first few weeks. Don't want to play the race card, but hey, maybe someone needs to play it. The whole thing makes me sick!!!!
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Ladytex
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09-27-2001
| Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 10:03 pm
I know I'm in the minority around here, but I'm loving the World Baseball Classic. I love seeing the guys playing for more than just money. This is an all star tourney! WooHoo!!!
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