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Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
What is the big deal about thong underwear? I don't understand what is "wrong" with that? Is she wearing a bra?

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
The first thing kids do when they get a barbie is take the clothes off. My teenage niece thinks those bratz dolls are dressed like little hoochie momma's, lol. I tease her that I'm going to buy her one. Now my 6 yr old grandaughter(I'm the step but she doesn't know it) loves the Bratz make up doll.
Bratz dolls are dressed like a lot of the girls in music video's.
FYI, I'm not a modest person so it doesn't bother me in the least. Seeing Brittany's private parts just grossed me out, but I had to look. (bad me)

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Who's talking about embarrassment?

I just think girls who are the age to play with barbies (@ 3-10 years old), don't need that extra shove to grow up, which includes wanting to wear sexy panties and garments like their barbies and brats do.

Regular, modest and less revealing clothes are still going to sell the doll.

(BTW, my daughter is 3 1/2, and I guess that is not the appropriate age for the gift she received)

ETA: I can't believe that I am the only that sees a problem with this!

Marysafan
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08-07-2000

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marysafan a private message Print Post    
Okay, so if I'm reading this right, it's the thong underwear that is the problem. So keep the Barbie, toss the underwear, end of problem. If Barbie must wear undies, (and I'm not sure she does), there are more suitable accessories available.

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
LOL...Mary...she didn't when I was young(er) :-)

Marysafan
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08-07-2000

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marysafan a private message Print Post    
I can't remember my girls having Barbies undies. They came with swimsuits mostly and putting undies on was a chore!

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Oh, it's the plastic underwear that's part of her body, but it's made to look like she has underwear on. I guess barbie doesn't want any panty lines.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Barbie didn't used to have undies. She used to be just solid plastic, no nothing. Why did they change her?

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
No Escapee, I can see why some would have a problem with it. It's the way marketing is now, sex sells everything. I guess the only thing we can do is as consumers, not buy the products that use sex to sell it.

Marysafan
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08-07-2000

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marysafan a private message Print Post    
Are you saying that it's painted on? That makes sense then. Wouldn't "regular panties show if she wore a bathing suit? I mean where would you draw the line (literally)?

So is this an effort to cover Barbie for the little ones rather than having her exposed?

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
Do the Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan dolls come with no underwear?

Marysafan
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08-07-2000

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marysafan a private message Print Post    
Sounds to me like it's more of an effort to save costs by painting Barbie rather than having actual clothing. Now you actually have to buy the bathing suit.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
It's not even painted on. She has textured underwear on that is all part of her body, but there are lines like panties and a pattern, all textured into the plastic. But she also has a leotard on that is thong as well.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 12:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
I'm going to have to go to the store and look at one now.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 9:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Escapee, I totally understand your disgust. I was thrown when I first saw my 15-year-old niece's thong sticking out of her low-riding jeans. She was pregnant within two years and dropped out of high school shortly after giving birth. Moms, think long and hard about letting your girls buy thongs. Don't fall for the old panty line copout. If anything, thongs just give you a thong-shaped panty line. They're probably wearing them to impress someone else. We've made the stripper our feminine ideal and that's what the girls (and grown women) are trying to emulate these days. The consequences are devastating.

Modesty isn't about embarrassment. I'm quite pleased with most of my body parts, but I value them and want to retain private ownership of them. If you live in a beautiful house you don't want every Tom, Dick, and Harry running around in your yard and peeking in your windows. The most impressive mansions have the highest security. Teaching modesty isn't teaching embarrassment. It's teaching the kids to value themselves.

If I may I'd like to add my own gripe. Earlier this evening I was walking to the store. I'd just left my house when a group of about 8 kids in their early teens came around the corner on bikes and roller blades. I heard one of the boys say loudly "P-p-p-prostitute!" I ignored it hoping he was just finishing a story he'd been telling or perhaps was talking to one of the girls in the group. Later on the way home I passed a side street where this group was riding up again. As soon as I walked into their field of vision I hear "Hey, prostitute!" Now I know he was talking to me, as if this was my new nickname. As they began to ride along the street where I was walking I kept looking at them and saw one of the boys looking back at me. He said "hello" and I said "Are you calling me a prostitute or were you talking to someone else?" Of course the boy said "I didn't say that" as if he had no idea what I was talking about. I said "Someone over there keeps calling me a prostitute whenever I walk by." I then had to cross the street closer to where they were to get to my house, but I think the boy may have thought I was trying to catch up with them because he kept looking back over his shoulder at me.

To add insult to injury, when I related this story to my mother she said "He probably saw your long hair and thought you were a prostitute." Am I being overly sensitive to find that incredibly insulting? Mind you, I was dressed in very old, frumpy jeans and an old, basic top so it sure wasn't my clothes. Frankly, I suspect it's this culture that worships the bimbo that's left our boys with no respect for women.

I just don't understand what the heck is wrong with parents these days. If they don't have the time to teach their kids basic decency then they should lock them up in cages until they do have the time. Don't inflict them on the rest of us.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 10:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
Long hair equals a prostitute? Ummm....okaaaaaayyy.

No, you weren't being overly sensitive.

I like the way you worded the "...this culture that worships the bimbo...." Very adeptly put.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 12:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Curlyq, it's not you. When I pick my 14 year old up at school I watch the kids and see how they're dressed. It may be -20° and there are always some girls out there dressed like hoochy mammas IMO; no coats, trashy high heels sandals, skin tight hiphugger jeans with skin tight see through sweater-type shirts and a black bra underneath. When did it become the norm for your underwear to show through your clothes? I said something to Jonathon about it and he said I was crazy; those were normal clothes and there was nothing wrong with them. He told me I was just old. He can still breath but barely.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 12:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
LOL! Thanks, Chiliwilli. I really needed a good laugh.

That's another thing that gets me, though. These young girls are dressing like that and here I am in my frumpy dumpy jeans and fuddy-duddy shirt and I'm the one being called a prostitute. If they had shouted "nerd" at least I could've owned that.

Whoami, my mother has been wanting me to cut off my hair since I was a teenager. She came of age in the 50's when ladies wore their hair short. Still, this is the first time she's suggested that I have hooker hair.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 1:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Well, I would ask where are their parents but someone has to be paying for those clothes. I would assume their parents have seen them. Do you buy a teenage girl black lace bras to wear to school under see-through shirts? Probably so if it matches the thong, right?

I don't know which is worse though. That same day I saw a morbidly obese girl come out of the school. She was dressed in baggy capri pants and flipflops with a parka zipped up around her face and her face pushed down into the ruff to keep it warm. Does she not have shoes for crying out loud. I wanted to ask her but then I saw she had gone out to a vehicle and gotten a pair of tennis shoes to put on; however, she was still wearing very light weight capri pants at -20°.

Oldtex
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03-06-2006

Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 9:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oldtex a private message Print Post    
Curlyq, OK I got nosey and looked at your profile. You DO NOT look like a prostitute, your hair is absolutely beautiful and flatters your face and lovely smile.

I had long hair, down to middle of my back. It was (and still is) always clean, thick and shiney. When I turned 40, I had it cut to just below my shoulders (baby steps) and now in my 50's it's just below my chin. Sometimes I really miss my long hair and YES my mother also was after me to cut it. I always received compliments on my hair. But I'm really OK with it at this length, just as long as I can put it in a pony tail.

Don't pay any attention to those young punks calling you names. I know that's hard to do, but if my dh was awake right now I'm sure he would agree with me that you look very classy and beautiful.

Keep your chin up and when (if ever) you decide to cut your hair, do it in "baby steps".

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 10:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Thank you, Oldtex. That was sweet of you. I used to say I'd cut my hair in my 30's and then when I hit 30 I pushed it back to 40, but now I find myself wanting to push it back even further than that. I had short hair before and I just looked like a boy.

That incident just haunted me all night and cost me several hours sleep. I kept wondering if he said that because maybe the kids have been spreading that rumor around the neighborhood. We've had trouble with the kids around here in the past, and they might've decided to get even by spreading a nasty rumor. Then in the light of day I decided I was probably just being paranoid, and that these kids probably never give me a second thought.

I'm still having a little trouble not obsessing about it, though. I find myself questioning everything I put on, like whether my makeup is too heavy. I hate that someone else's comment can have so much power over me, but I'm a highly sensitive person and I can't remember ever being the target of that kind of nastiness before, even when I was a kid.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 10:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
I hear ya about being highly sensitive. I'm the same way.

FWIW, I also sneaked a peek at your profile, and I think your hair is gorgeous! I have curly kinky fuzzy frizzy hair. And if I could get mine to look even half as good as yours I'd be ecstatic!

I lived all my childhood with my hair short cause it was ordained that was the only way I could wear it since it was so nasty otherwise. Then when I was in my 20's (or was it 30's?) a friend took me to her hairdresser for my birthday and had my hair relaxed. I've been able to grow it out long since, but it still looks nothing like yours. Of course, its been a few years since I've been able to afford to have it relaxed again (and I sure would love to try that newer Japanese procedure called thermo-something-or-other...can't remember it right now). Even the best relaxing job I've ever gotten though still doesn't compare to your beautiful hair!

Anyway, I understand why you wouldn't want to go short. I have been resisting the idea that its time to go short myself. I'll admit that now that I'm starting to go grey and stuff, and I'm approaching 50, I wonder if I should give up and go short again. OK, not really "starting" to go grey....seems I've gotten a pretty good handle on that lately.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 11:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
I know what you mean, Whoami. I got my first gray hair in middle school, and it really started multiplying in college. Let's hear it for Clairol! Woohoo!

Thank you for your compliments. Here's my favorite website for curly hair: http://naturallycurly.com

They have articles, product reviews, and forums where members trade tips on what products and techniques give the best results. So many people with naturally curly hair were never taught how to make the most of it, and what not to do (like brushing it when it's dry). Personally, I just scrunch in some mousse and gel from the drugstore to define my curls and dry with a diffuser.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, December 22, 2006 - 6:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Curlyq, I know you said that it got to you cause your mom has made comments about your hair length too, buu I don't know why in the world you are letting those nasty little children or frankly your mom get to you! Your hair is gorgeous and you are neither too old for long hair or more importantly do you look too old for long hair. You are just gorgeous!!!! I am almost 50 and I have friends with hair longer than yours.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Friday, December 22, 2006 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
I looked, too. :-) You're not only NO prostitute looking lady, you're down-right gorgeous! Keep the hair, keep your chin up, and knock those nay-sayers on their butt by your beauty! :-)