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Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 6:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
Beyonce was talking about the cleansing diet on the Ellen show today. She said she was hungry with it.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
If you're hungry on it, you need to take more lemonade... by day three hunger is basically gone.
If it's being done with the specific goal of losing weight, don't, it's not the point but merely a side benefit.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Vacanick, how did your cleanse go? Feel better? Any comments?

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 1:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I really want to do another cleanse, but worry about the 'cleansing' part and not having great access to a bathroom while at work at 4:30 am to noon.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 5:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Tex - I really never had any URGENT needs to get to a bathroom. There was never the thought that "Oh boy, I'm gonna have an accident!"

As well, you should structure the cleanse around your shift work and meals. Technically, breakfast for you is probably at 2am, so it wouldn't necessarily interfere.

But then again, it depends on which cleanse you choose. I think the Master's Cleanse is more accident-prone in the first few days. But, you drink the laxative tea just before you go to bed, and then the VERY FIRST thing you do in the morning is the salt-water flush, and I'm telling you, you'll have taken care of the bathroom before you can even log on to TVCH. I would do that cleanse, but make sure days 2 and 3 fall on my weekend, or take time off for the beginning of THAT cleanse.

My cleanse didn't interfere AT ALL with my life, or even my energy levels.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
I was concerned about that URGENT need to go to the bathroom as well but it never happened. My cleanse was not as intensive as Eeyore's. GNC has several cleanses to choose from. My energy was good throughout the 7 days. I've continued the raw, unprocessed diet and lot's of water. I feel really good and would absolutely do it again.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 8:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I have had that salt water drink, and I know what you mean!
I can't eat at 2 am, I usually try to take something to eat while I am at work. I have a really good protein shake that I usually take.
I may check into GNC's.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 12:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
nteresting thread!! I have never done a "bought" cleanse due to allergies etc. Howver I did do a fluids and Apples only cleanse. I love apples so It wasnt hard for me. Four different kinds of apples, very filling.

To add to some prev posts. Corn isnt digested well. If you notice, corn comes out looking pretty well the same way it did going in your gut. LOL Heck, they make plastics out of corn.

HEY Eeyore, Glad to hear you are getting into Brown rice. I went thru a stage where I was eating all kinds of different rice. I wish I could remember the name but there is a short grain Brown Rice that is almost nutty flavour. Beautiful for making homemade Veggie Burgers.....or if you add a little ground chicken...a NON veggie burger.

Anyways, IF you are not supposed to have Teriyaki, Soya sauce or Tamarind...try BRAGGs AMINOs. it is a good substitute that tastes really good and isnt fermented.

I sure havent searched around here much. Is there a place we can exchange organic and natural recipes??

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
I'd be very interested in that as well. I'm sticking to mostly organic around here lately and as well a lot of raw. Those recipes are not very attractive to most though.. :-)

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 12:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
here where I live almost every store, even Big ones like Safeway, Thriftys, Superstore and Overwaitee have large Organic food/ spice sections. Jsut this year you can buy completely organic chicken and Beef as well.

There are just too many people getting sick from those drugs etc.

I think that the recipes are more what goes into them then whether it is organic. I've been to a few vegetarian recipe sites and BLECHH they sound disgusting.

i find i eat a fair amount raw as well.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I have no problem with posting those here, especially since organic foods are important on many cleanses.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
I'm a big fan of organic, especially produce, and am grateful for some of those stores getting more choice. However, if it's processed food of any kind or beef or chicken that's organic but 'grain fed' I'm not interested. I've found a local source for free range chickens and grass fed beef and even tho they haven't gone through the rigourous organic certification process (the dilution of this is starting to worry me anyway) they do have drug free chemical free product.

The other day my dad showed me his corn flakes, he was proud of them since they were organic but still full of crap - preservatives SUGAR and corn! :-) I got him back onto slow cook oatmeal andthings are moving 'along' again. LOL!

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Friday, September 15, 2006 - 9:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
I tried the Master Cleanse and by the end of day 1 I had a headache but it was manageable but by the end of day 2 the headache was too intense to endure. I stopped the cleanse at that point but still had a headache and felt awful for about a week. Any ideas or suggestions?

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Friday, September 15, 2006 - 10:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
I'm sorry to hear that, as one of the most important things about this cleanse is unless the minimum 10 days can be completed it shouldn't be started, because it can be harmful, although it is hard to know what is going to happen.
Since it does cause some things to 'kick loose' throughout the body getting them eliminated is vital. His theory is having them just move and settle in other spots can cause worse issues.

How much pure plain water were you taking in? Staying very very well hydrated is important with headache management. Was your maple syrup the correct grade? You want to ensure the proper level of minerals. I used to increase all liquids especially water, as well as the lemonade also the occasional peppermint tea, but more importantly starting on a weekend in case that happened and I didn't have to work made it easier when not feeling great.

There is a theory the worse you feel the more you need it, there is a web site called The Cure Zone that has a lot of folks on this cleanse discussing it. There is also a lot of other strange stuff, but you may find answers there.

I hope you arent' too discouraged, but I'm curious to know if you read the book or not or just going on word of mouth?

Hope you're feeling better!

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Friday, September 15, 2006 - 10:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
I heard about the cleanse so I went to the local health food store and bought the book and the proper ingredients. I read the book from front to back and then did a google search and read some more before I started. I knew ahead of time that headaches could be an issue but I had no idea the headache could be so intense. And, I do have a high pain tolerance. I already drink 2 to 3 liters or more of water a day so that should not be an issue.

I am not discouraged, just backing off until I figure out a better approach. I have to wonder just how much toxin I have in my system that could cause so much pain coming out. I'm wondering if it would be better to start with a lesser cleanse or to just eliminate certain items from my diet first.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 12:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I know nothing about that cleanse, however, my medical background can assure you that it is hard on the body to drink copious amounts of Water. The headache is most likely an electrolyte imbalance.

For instance, the headache from a hangover is Electrolyte imbalance and a tiny pinch of salt in some water has helped me. IF you read ingredients in most "sports" drinks you will see that they have the sodium etc that the body needs to replenish itself. plain water is harsh on the body/kidneys if greater than the 2 litres we need a day.

Just some random thoughts, not to be taken as medical 'information'

Shadoe
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11-04-2004

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 2:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shadoe a private message Print Post    
Some medications and treatments almost demand a person consume more than 2 liters of water a day.

I was on medication for a year and if I drank less than 2 liters, I did get raging headaches. Most days I aimed for a minimum of 3 liters, but always tried for more.

In these cases and with cleanses, I feel like the water is important in flushing out from the body.

What you do during a regular day will also dictate to a certain extent how much water you should consume. I have been going to some hot yoga classes and they tell you to drink a liter of water before the class because of the loss of water you will experience in the class.

I don't think most people drink near enough water.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 2:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
In reply to the salt intake, part of the cleanse is a salt water flush in the morning which consists of 2 tsps of sea salt in a liter of water. According to my naturopathic doctor, my body does not absorb salt well as my sodium level is always low even though I eat salt on almost everything. Since there is a difference in the sea salt and regular table salt I supposed that might be part of it. The intensity of the pain makes me think it is more; however, I am not a nurse nor had any medical training. The pain is more like extreme caffeine withdrawl but since I only have one latte in the morning and if I miss a day or two it doesn't bother me, I don't think that's it either. I have gone through caffeine withdrawl when I drank pots of coffee a day so I know what that's like.

I was not taking any medications, supplements or consuming alcohol preceding or during the cleanse.

Once I made myself like water, I drink it a lot. Something I read lately said you should drink 1 ounce of water for every 2 pounds that you weigh; therefore, I should actually be drinking more since I weigh over 200. I only drink water when I want it, so I'm not forcing it down. I just like it. And, I don't have the headache when I eat and drink normally only when I was on the cleanse.

I am just wondering if there is anyone else here who had that response to the cleanse or if anyone has any suggestions. I thought possibly eliminating the latte about a week beforehand but can't think of anything else.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
I'm not clear if you mean you regularly used table salt, or sea salt?? If the former I'm wondering if your ND ok with that??

The minerals are an important factor when doing this cleanse which is why the maple syrup needs to be a good one. Was the cayenne bothersome at all?

I too use my seasalt when drinking large amounts of water for that very reason, you can create electrolyte problems if diluting your blood too much.

The salt used in the flush is taken in a specific way as to not be picked up by the body and neither is the water, it just literally 'flushes' through.

If you're not drinking in ounces the number of pounds of half your body weight you may find doing that will help. That along with extra sea salt has been pretty effective for my headaches.

Can't really think of what else it could be, but will keep checking and let you know if I find out anything.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 6:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
When eating/drinking normally I use regular table salt (as in Morton's iodized). My Dr. did not ask what kind of salt it was. He just said my sodium count is low, we discussed how much salt I normally use and he said obviously my body doesn't absorb it.

When doing the salt flush I use the sea salt the health food store gave me when I told them I wanted to do the Master Cleanse. The salt water flush goes straight through me so I doubt anything could be absorbed out of it.

The health food store also gave me the maple syrup I used so I assume it was the right kind. It did say Grade B but I can't remember the brand. It came in a little light brown jug type bottle.

I did not use the cayenne as I am allergic to it. I asked the health food store about a substitute and they recommended maybe ginger. However, I did not use anything the two days I did the cleanse except lemon and maple syrup. By the end of the second day, along with the severe headache, the lemonade mixture was also making me nauseous. At first I thought it was the headache because I used to have nauseating migraines but for some reason decided it wasn't that.

As of now I am just thinking it is a stored toxin that my body needs to get rid of but maybe doesn't want to? I don't know. Any hints are most appreciated though.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
This is a bit from The Cure Zone, explaining how fasting and cleansing can affect us. I was looking for info on cayenne allergies and if this cleanse is even possible without one of the very important components.. no luck so far.

For what it's worth I'd throw out the Morton's :-)


Fasting is like preparing to build a new home. We are tearing down the old, the unneeded and the worn out (catabolism). We are preparing to build a new healthier, slimmer, better functioning body. But, what building materials are we bringing to the fast? The body is in reality constantly renewing itself, new cells are generated in the skin, bones and organs all the time. If we give our bodies nothing but unhealthy even toxic foods, think what the building blocks are. When we enter into a fast without any preparation we are poisoning ourselves with our own accumulated toxins. They will be broken down leaving even stronger toxins to deal with and eliminate. That is why so many people feel very ill or suffer pain when they fast.
Its seems so much more logical to prepare for an extended fast by beginning with a good diet with nutrient rich foods, perhaps doing occasional fasts to slowly remove old toxins. Fasting is so much easier when we are "clean". Even in the last couple of weeks I've noticed an ease in fasting when a month ago there were times I couldn't go a full day with a massive headache. Preparation is essential to a good fast. It may take weeks or months, or for some people years to get ready for a prolonged fast. That does not mean we can continue as usual though. There are many "detox" diets out there. Most are vegetarian, many of them raw only. Adapting a healthy diet before beginning a fast is absolutely necessary. Too many people have the mindset that they will fast first, then begin to eat healthy. This is the opposite of what should be done. First eat healthy. Get in some fasting experience with short fasts. Then, if it still seems necessary, a longer fast will be possible.
Excess body fat is not only an unattractive, unhealthy nuisance, it is a storehouse for bodily toxic waste. Research has shown human body fat to contain pesticides, carcinogens, environmental poisons, hormones and other waste material. Fat is not merely excess weight, it is a chemical storehouse. When the fat begins to be metabolized during a fast toxins are entering the bloodstream at an alarming rate. The liver cannot begin to process and detoxify all the poisons. Much goes directly into the excretory systems of the body. The bowels can become inflamed and no longer push out the waste, the kidneys are irritated and overwhelmed, some waste escapes through the lungs and the breath becomes foul, the skin does its part and excretes waste and body odor becoming extremely unpleasant no matter how often you bathe. Even the tongue becomes coated, the gums inflamed. The body is overwhelmed by all the poisons that has been dumped into it. True healing from fasting cannot take place during this period of being poisoned. The immune system, often already compromised by too much sugar, cannot function. The body becomes ill with fever, sore throat and muscle aches as the torrent of toxins become trapped. At this point, fasting is dangerous. Most people simply cannot tolerate this prolific release of toxins and have to break the fast.
How much easier fasting would be if these toxins and excess fats were removed more slowly and naturally before trying to fast. Then the body could concentrate on digging deep into joints, organs and (as Bragg calls it)the tubing that makes up our body. This is when fasting becomes healing. Our emotional and spiritual outlook will also be much better when we are not ill from self poisoning. Some may ask why fast if we're not toxic or overweight? Remember, none of us are perfectly clean we will always need to eliminate waste from our bodies. According to experts there are medical conditions that can best be improved through fasting, but not though fasting an overly toxic body that will become much sicker before becoming better.
Remember, fasting is not a quick weightloss plan, it is not a cure for all diseases, nor is it an instant pathway to God and spiritual enlightenment. Fasting is a tool and the more prepared we are to use that tool, the better our results will be

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 7:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Dahli, thank you so much for all that information. It does sound exactly like what I've been going through and I had pretty much decided to gradually eliminate things from my diet, such as caffiene, dairy, sugar, wheat.

(The body becomes ill with fever, sore throat and muscle aches as the torrent of toxins become trapped. )

Along with these symptoms I had a sudden cold sore, all my teeth hurt, the glands in my neck and chin were swollen and painful, complete fatigue and absolutely no energy since I tried the cleanse. This tells me I have a lot of cleaning to do possibly.

I did find there is a book on Amazon that goes into detail about symptoms you may experience while doing the Master Cleanse and why you have them. I will have to order it to see what it says.

Thanks again.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 7:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Dahli, thank you so much.

As best I can discover, the cayenne is to increase body heat as most people on this fast get cold. The lady at my health food store seemed to be knowledgable about this cleanse and felt that ginger may be an appropriate substitute. Since, I hardly ever get cold anymore I didn't think it would be a problem. In fact, I could use a few "cold" days.

The symptoms described in your post are a lot of what I've felt since I quit the cleanse along with extreme fatigue, total lack of energy, a sudden cold sore, swollen, painful glands in my neck and chin and all of my teeth hurt. Makes you wonder what got shaken loose in there, doesn't it.

I had already decided to gradually start eliminating things from my diet before I started the cleanse again, such as wheat, dairy, sugar, caffeine. It will be some time before I'm ready to start over but we'll see how it goes.

Thanks again for all your wonderful information.

Dahli
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Monday, September 18, 2006 - 8:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
You're most welcome, I'm more than happy to help if I can

I hope that the book you mentioned can assist you with the information and support you need to continue on your cleansing journey! Good Luck!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 1:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I don't think most people drink near enough water.


I agree. I drink my distilled water but most people I know drink coffee or tea to get their daily liquids.

HEY doesnt Latte have MILK in it?? From what I have read about Cleanses the body will often let you know if a certain food etc is causing you trouble.

I never had severe migraines from Green Peppers until after I did a semi-cleanse and avoided them for awhile. I was very surprised i couldnt eat them anymore.

By the way, I've recently read a warning about so called Natural SeaSalt. It can be contaminated with other minerals/ chemicals.

ALSO, anyone with other health problems, like chronic Fatigue syndrome or CP or Fibro....a cleanse can knock your system for a loop causing worse symptoms for awhile.

I was going to have Chelation for Metals but the Doctor wouldnt do it. He figured my system would "crash" from the strain.

Weird eh?

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 2:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Never heard of chelation for metals before. What is that?

Yes, lattes have milk in them and I am beginning to think the problem is with dairy. I had ice cream last night and it made me sick and I had a headache all morning today. Seems like last time I had ice cream it was the same story. I am weaning myself off things I think can be part of the problem and then will try the cleanse again in a week or so.

I drink at least 3 liters of water each day and sometimes more. I have a personal rule that I have to have 1 liter before I can have my latte. This is not a problem though as I normally drink it before I leave the house in the morning and then head for the espresso stand. Then when I am at my computer at night I really seem to drink a lot. I don't do distilled though because doesn't that take all the minerals out? I buy bottled water from a local distributor. While it may not be "pure" it does have the chemicals filtered out; such as chlorine and flouride. Besides I love my water dispenser; always hot and always cold.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
I'm not a fan of distilled water as it is dead, there is a place for it, but not in me...:-)

Not heard that about sea salt, can you provide more detail?

Many people have dairy and wheat intolerance and it's incredible how much better life is without them in that case.

Too much water without minerals can be dangerous. Sea vegetables are a yummy snack I can recommend!