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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Monday, July 17, 2006 - 3:36 pm
Supergranny, they may be yard dogs, but you can believe me when I say there is no need to feel sorry for them. What you see in the photo is about 1/4 of their fenced yard, so they have plenty of room to run and play. It is probably the better part of an acre. Honestly, they seem to like being inside of their fence. Before I moved here, they ran free and were always getting hurt somehow. Having them in a fence has saved me a bunch in vet bills. Whenever I have had to take them to the vet, they are always ready to get back into their yard. Chew, I don't scoop poop. I have a riding lawn mower, and when I mow it usually gets most of the poop in the tires, which I then rinse off. It gets pretty bad back there in the winter. On the up side, the grass grows really fast and thick back there. Probably twice as much as in the front yard. Herck, yes, I lost Alex last October, Sandy in June of 2005 and Sheba this past January or February. Since Bobby and Roxy are also getting on up there, I do spend too much time worrying about how much time they have left.
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:15 am
I call this one "Guard Dogs."
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Eris
Member
11-13-2003
| Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:34 am

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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:40 am
Supergranny, I meant to tell you how cute those Lucee and Charlie are. They have so much personality, those pugs! And your gd is adorable, too. (Must have been a bit nippy that day with her bundled up like that. So the bare feet made me smile.) Slinky, they look like I feel today--totally deflated from the heat. Isn't that funny that they all lined up like that--with their backs pressed to the fence?! Very cute pic!
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:51 pm
oh my goodness, Slinky they are too cute all lined up like that...im still cracking up thinking about the poop squishing in the wheels...OOOOhhhhhh.. Im laughing now... I wish I was on the Beach with grannies GD, that looks so nice...and cool... Granny, do your dogs like the water? .. We were up at my moms a couple weeks ago and she lives on the beach, My little pepito is scared of the water but we had fun, maybe ill get Herc to post another pic...I still cant do it, Im going nuts trying, but I wont give up.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:40 pm
Slinkydog...that picture and caption should be entered in one of those contests. That is so funny! Yes it is cool in the late afternoon here on the beach. GD is spending the week with us so she and her Grandpa take the dogs for their walk on the beach. They love the sand to walk on and all the interesting flotsam to smell and try to carry home. They really don't pay any attention to the water except to wade thru a tidal pool to get to something interesting! Thank you for the compliments Herc..these guys make us laugh about once an hour.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 9:20 pm
This is making me totally sick: "Dog found hanging in Chili backyard 7/18/2006 5:00 PM (WROC-TV) The Humane Society is offering a $2,000 reward in connection with the brutal death of a dog Monday. A West Highland Terrier was found hung from a tree in the backyard of a home on Chili Avenue in Chili. The dog's owner also found his other dog, a labrador retriever, running loose on the street. The charges carry a penalty of up to two years behind bars. For more information on this case, call 223-1330, extension 227." Dog Found Hung I can't help but feel the person who did this should suffer the same fate... even though I am a pacifist... but that is just so SICK. It also makes me more angry than I can express! One of the news reports said there was a possibility it was some kind of retaliation against the owner. To top that off, my mom told me yesterday that one of my cousin's two cats who were siblings was killed by a pitbull. The cat got out of the house and it was killed by the dog. My cousin and his wife are just sick about it, as am I. They also said it was hard to prove it was this particular dog, but they know it is. They live in FL. I just can't shake this awful feeling I have. 
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:37 pm
Chewpito wrote a nice email to me, inquiring how things were going for me. I replyed, and am posting a copy of the reply here, to update all of you who were so generous with your well wishes and sympathy, I apologize for not coming back to the board and updating everyone. You were all so kind to me. Yes, a lot has been going on. As many people on TVCH know, I am a caregiver. It was just a very unhappy coincidence that right after my dogs were killed, my job suddenly needed me and I was available, because I didn't have to get home every night to care for my dogs. So I have worked a lot of 24-hour shifts the last 10 days. There isn't a computer at the house where I work. Thank you for your continuing concern and caring. I was subpoenaed by the Superior Court for Monday morning. The people are being prosecuted. It breaks my heart that the end result, if the "good guys" win, is that the pit bulls will be destroyed. But, we all know that once they have the "taste" for killing, there is no going back. The court is also being asked to prevent them from owning any dogs for 3 years. That means that the other pit that they have obtained for breeding will have to be surrendered and a German Shepherd that they have will also have to be surrendered. Those dogs will not be destroyed. Maybe they can give them to relatives or something. So far, those dogs have not killed anything. Tho Animal Control has had some complaints about the shepherd. I have been told that the 3 children of the family have been removed from the home by CPS. This had nothing to do with the dogs, but I don't know why they were taken away. I guess that one can assume that if someone allows their dogs to go out and kill, over and over, one might also assume that the children were similarly discounted. As I told you all on TVCH, when the pit bulls killed my neighbor's dog, who was tied, and helpless in his own yard, the little 7 year old girl was bragging at the school bus stop that her dogs had, " kicked (Rex's dogs ass or Rip's (Rex's dog's name) ass" The pit bulls had actually nearly taken his head off, just as they did with my dogs.And she was totally laughing about it, we knew there was a BIGGER problem. As you may have read, in probably my last post to the Dog Thread, I am now dog less. First I took the puppy back because, in my opinion, she hadn't been weaned enough, so got sick from eating food. Then, Charlie, the little white dog, got out of my house, through a very small opening I had in a window to let the cats come in and out. I totally panicked, and went and got the lady I got him from, and thank goodness, she came over here and called him and he came to her. She was so upset that she took him back home with her. I definitely don't blame her one bit. I would have done exactly the same thing. Now, I think that I will wait a while before getting another dog. Court is going to be difficult on Monday morning. The County Council will ask me to tell the court everything that happened on July 7. George, the AC officer, tried to be helpful by letting me know that if I needed to make any notes to keep my recollections clear, that it would be fine for me to do so, and that I could refer to them during the questioning. I told him that will not be necessary. Every day when I come home from work and Cedar isn't crying for me to come and get him, and isn't running across the grass, the whole thing replays in my mind. Everytime I get in my car, and Cedar isn't with me, it is very fresh in my mind. I haven't slept in my bed for days, because Cedar isn't there with me. I sleep on the couch, because he never spent much time with me there, because it was too small. I haven't been able to go down to the other house where the dog kennal is, because, Otter isn't there, being all wiggly and happy to see me, even when she couldn't see me anymore. And BJ isn't there being so strong and brave and so so loving and affectionate, despite his severe arthritis that must have been so painful for him. Well, I guess I just made some notes to take to court. I don't know if the criminal proceeding will allow the emotional testimony, but I am pretty sure that a civil court will. I intend to sue them, but what can a court award for an 11-year old arthritic german shepherd, and a blind 7-year old mix breed, and a 3-year old "deformed" mix breed? My dogs are regarded by the court as personal property. I guess that the gate and fence that the pits destroyed will be given more value than my dogs. So, I guess that is all that there is to report. Once again, I am sorry I'm not a very faithful poster, but, I don't know how I would have made it through those first few days without you. So, even when I don't post, you are always on my mind, and I will never forget the strength you poured my way.
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Retired
Member
07-11-2001
| Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 5:15 am
Will be thinking of you on Monday and hoping court goes well. It's good that you are keeping busy with work but has to be hell coming home to no dogs. Hopefully, in time, that will change.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:55 am
{{{Sunr}}} I think you may be able to sue for emotional distress as well, but I'm not all that up on what is/isn't allowed depending on the suit/case. I'll be thinking of you Monday and hope it goes well, too. One thing I'm thinking is that the children were removed because if these dogs have attacked other animals, there is a chance they can attack the children as well. We've had cases like that here, actually. There's even been cases where the dog(s) have never attacked before and suddenly turned on the children and even adults. My old girl is getting sort of strange about things in her old age and I'm more careful about things w/her since she'll snap at the cat for no reason and she's nipped at some of my DSs friends when they go down in the basement helping him carry his music equipment. She hasn't hurt anyone, but I don't trust that she won't. She turns into Cujo if she has a special chew bone, so I don't get those for her anymore. My DH said she just about took his hand off when he tried to get it from her and she's showed her teeth and growled at me, but not snapped. Although I do go about getting it different - get ahold of her by the back of her neck, etc. and wait until she gives it up. She does a lot of things she never did and I think it's because her sight and even hearing just aren't what they once were. She's always been bad about having her nails clipped, but the last few years have been horrific and they get so long at times because she goes ballistic about it, they I'm afraid people will think she's neglected. The vet didn't yell at me or anything when I told him about it when she had her spell and he could see them. He also didn't do anything to her because of the state she was in. When a dog gets old and has some health problems, it's a worry to even medicate them or stress them too much. The longer than should be nails are the least of her worries. I did manage to get the longest one clipped on her a couple of weeks ago but I was doing major "tricks" to do it. She yelps (and sometimes snaps at you)even if you haven't touched her! Arrgh! Take care of yourself!
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 9:01 am
Sun, please, please remember the precedent was set in Oregon this year that pets can now be considered 'companions', not just property. That make the money won in a law suit much, much larger.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 9:18 am
{{Sun}} Thanks for coming and posting an update. I've been thinking of you and wondering how you were doing and how the case was proceeding. I'll be thinking of you on Monday as you go to court. 
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 10:59 am
Sunrvrose Watching & Ophiliasgrandma, I agree with both. Animal abusers, of any age, deserve no mercy in my opinion.
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 2:27 pm
Best of luck with everything on Monday, Sun. You'll be in my thoughts, too. To lighten things up a bit, I have some new Whitney pics. I finally got her to wear her Doggles long enough for a picture...
but she had them off as soon as she could...she doesn't seem to mind wearing them this way:
In addition to Doggles, I've also become one of those people who buy their dog clothes...I used to make fun of those people! I resisted as long as I could, but Petco & Petsmart have their seasonal clearance going on and I cannot resist a deal! I got all three coats pictured for under $20 total. They are just too cute. They are a little too big, but I sew, so I can alter them (she's an in-between size, so Small is always too small, but medium is too big). Whitney didn't seem to mind wearing them, so much as she got tired of me changing them (as you can seen from the look she's giving me in the last picture)...she just wanted to sleep!
Anyhoo, hope you all enjoy the pics!
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 4:31 pm
A pet behavior question for all of you: I've noticed the past few days that before Whitney will lie down on anything covered in a sheet or pillowcase, she scratches it for a while first. She does this in my bed (but only if she is going to lie down on the sheet, not if she is on the comforter) and does this on the large pillow in my computer room (but again, only on this pillowcased one..not on the quilt beside it, or the roll pillow behind it that is not in a pillowcase.). She scratches, then finally lies down and curls up. Is this normal behavior or does it point to some kind of problem? Any help you all can give will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 7:30 pm
I dont think it means any thing bad, My dogs do it all the time and my little one will twist,turn,scratch and roll all over till he finds just the right position and then he suddenly settles in to nap... Oh, I just noticed that you said only on a sheet, well it could be that its just soft or maybe its cooler because of the heat (is it hot where you are) I dont think its any thing to worry about, but as allways will wait to see what others have to say... We have fun with my little one (he is a goof) I will spray a little purfume or scent on the carpet or floor and he will race to it and roll all over in it as to cover himself in the scent..its so funny to watch...
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 7:37 pm
Oh, I love the pictures, they are so cute. Keep them comming.
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 8:11 pm
Ophiliasgrandma, I'm afraid that that ruling may apply only in Oregon. Here in California, the laws regarding animals vary drastically even between counties. For Instance, San Francisco's laws are much stricter, due to that famous case. However, I will definately look into it and I appreciate you reminding me, I had forgotten that you had mentioned it before. I'm sure that these folks have not a dime left. The fines that have been and will be levied by the courts are already in the thousands. I know that sometimes when people sue, and say that it's not about the money, it really is and they are just trying to look good. In this case, it really isn't about the money, I'm sure there is none to get, and no amount would be enough. But if these folks have judgements against them in the years to come, they will be forced to remember the devistation that their irresponsibility caused to myself and many others. I want to hit them hard enough that they never again consider creating, having, or breeding vicious dogs. Regarding the scratching the sheets question, in my experience, my dogs always wanted to rough up anything they layed on. It was hell on couch cushions. So, the comforter would already be like a deep place to lay in, but something covered with a smooth sheet needs to be fluffed up some. That's my guess. If it was a heat thing, I think they would leave the sheets flat, therefore cooler. In warm weather, my dogs would not lay on anything that was fabric, not the couch, not the carpet on the floor. I always found them in the bathroom, laying on the tile floor. Watchings, I know that you have probably shown pics and talked about your old girl a lot, but I haven't seen them. What breed is she? Some breeds are known to become kinda mean in their old age. German Shepherds are a perfect example. I've known so many people who had shepherds who were loving and never had one bad moment, then, suddenly when they turned 10, they turned mean. My BJ never did, that guy was so darn gentle that there is nothing you could do to make him mad. Never once did he growl at anything or anyone, or snap. Regarding the nail clipping, We were never able to clip BJ's nails. He would scream like we were killing him, and pretend he couldn't walk. So the only way we could have it done was at the vet, under anesthesia. The cost was hard to bear. And, just as you said, once he was 10, or so, the danger of anesthesia outweighed the benefits of clipping his nails. So, when he was killed, some of his nails were at least 1-1/2 to 2 inches long. I too was worried that someone looking at him would think he was being neglected. It's just like people, when they are so old and in a weakened condition, do you really want to make them go get a perm? (One of the issues I confront in my work, more frequently than you might imagine.) Ok, I'm done for now. I'm sure I'll be back before Monday. Thanks, I will feel stronger knowing that so many true furby lovers will be sending me their good wishes and strength.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Friday, July 21, 2006 - 7:07 am
Sun, presidents set in other states do carry weight in all the courts in the land. If you ever do get into court, you may not get any money, but you may help get a judgment that animals are companions, not property. That will make it easier for the next victim to win their day in court. Good luck!
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Friday, July 21, 2006 - 8:21 pm
Thinking of you Sun, My thoughts are with you and hope you are well....
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 2:17 pm
Sun, I think you may be right about Whitney just wanting to rough things up. The things she scratches are really smooth, but the comforter, quilt, couch, and the "rug" pillow are all naturally rougher. So, maybe she just likes to lay on something with a rougher texture. Last night on our evening walk, we came on a couple of girls who asked if they could pet Whitney. So, I stopped and sat down with them and let them pet her. She LOVES being the center of attention, so she was really enjoying it...just sitting there being adorable and sweet and soaking up the love. Before long, 3 other kids had joined in and Whitney was just in petting heaven. And then, she decided she'd had enough and just stood up and started walking...so I had to get up and go with her. I just got off the phone with my aunt, who passed on the sad news that her cat, Jasper was killed today by her own dogs (they got out of their pen). I posted a long thing about in the Memoriam thread, so I won't go into it here, but it is a very sad thing.
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 1:04 pm
One of the many faces of my Oscar. He tends to make very funny faces if he smells something that is not agreeable. He actually curls his lip and shakes his head with his tongue out licking the air, almost like saying eww that's gross.

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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 2:26 pm
That's so funny Jasper! I've seen Kellie make similar faces, but not very often. Sun - Kellie is a mixed breed of what, we're not sure! I adopted her from the Humane Society. They thought she was shepherd/sheltie..something something! She was a stray and they thought she was about 3-4 yrs and when I took her to our vet he said, more like 3-4, so if I use 3 as the age, it would make her about 16 - although we adopted her in November so the kids counted that as her b-day! I've had people ask me if she was a border collie in her sleeker days and we've also noticed how the water seems to roll off her upper coat and well, we've just done a lot of guesses, so I'll just go with good ole American mutt. Most of her problems are because of fear. She has never liked a ball. I think someone threw things at her, either where she lived or when she was running stray. She used to play chase and catch with a fabric frisbee, but never, never a ball! She ducks! She's very sensitive and got more fearful after I had her anal glands removed (and here I thought I was doing a good thing for her!) because she was in so much pain after. I slept on the floor with her for a week! She used to do really well in obedience training and I went to some small trials with her and one thing that really blew it for her on one was the judge was wearing a hat and she ducked some when he ran his hand down her back. I always loved that she was so good in class compared to her full breed pals there. She used to be able to do this awesome "flip finish" instead of just "going around" to sit at the heal position. Cdba - Kellie does that every so often, even in places she's been sleeping all along and suddenly decides she has to do "something" to make it more comfortable! Sometimes I can't figure out what the heck she's doing or even what the noise is and then I realize it's her. Whitney is adorable!! Here's some pics of Kellie (and Misha when she was a baby)

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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 4:14 pm
Whitney and Kellie are such cuties!
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 4:15 pm
Oh, and Jasper too. Such a handsome guy!
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