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Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 11:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
True Julie, but do you tell them to get a selection of girls for you then two weeks later say you have changed your mind and now you want a selection of boys. That information came from the Malawi government.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
That's what I had issue with Maris.
Julie, I have yet to hear of any adoption agency in the US that line up either birthmothers or children for a prospective family to look over.
My friends that adopted overseas didn't just walk into an agency look around and then pick one out. They knew which child was theirs before they arrived.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
My brother and sister in law adopted a boy from Guatemala. They applied for an adoption, and after about a year they were notified a baby boy was available. That is the way it went.

I have friends who adopted chinese babies, there was no selection process. They were notified when a baby was available and they went to china and adopted the baby.

My neighbor adopted a russian girl. They didnt get a choice they applied for adoption and were notified when a child was available and they adopted a two year old gir..

In the Russian, Chinese and Guatemalan cases, there was not option of looking kids over and chosing which one you liked best.

Ginger1218
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08-31-2001

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 12:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ginger1218 a private message Print Post    
But it is Madonna, and Madonna gets whatever she wants.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Exactly Maris.
The only time I have ever heard of someone getting to 'look over the goods' was a friend of mine who was born in 1960 and adopted. Her family did go to the hospital and look over the newborns and her brother picked her out.

he later tried to return her, but that's a whole other story! LOL

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
Actors See Red on 'Grey's Anatomy' Set

Doctor doctor, give us the news. But ABC is staying mum about the reported on-set scuffle between the actors portraying Dr. McDreamy and Dr. Burke on TV's top-rated "Grey's Anatomy."

An argument between Isaiah Washington and Patrick Dempsey got physical and led to a temporary pause in production, the New York Daily News reported in its Wednesday editions.

The actors shared a heated exchange Monday about cast members delaying a scene when Washington, 43, grabbed Dempsey, 40, by the throat and shoved him, according to the newspaper.

Representatives for the actors said the two have made amends.

"Differences are inevitable," Washington's publicist, Cynthia Snyder, said in a statement. "They were aired, resolved and everyone has moved on."

Dempsey's spokeswoman echoed that sentiment: "There was an argument on set. In any close-knit family, sometimes people argue. But everybody made up and went back to work."

On-set arguments are common, said TV historian Tim Brooks, co-author of "The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and Cable TV Shows."

"Diva-like conduct is certainly not unusual," he said. "You have a lot of egos there, and you have a lot of creative people who think they're more creative than the other."

"Moonlighting," which aired from 1985 to 1989, was famous for its fighting on set, Brooks said. More recently, rumors of on-set animosity dogged ABC's "Desperate Housewives" and The WB's "Charmed."

But physical violence "is pretty unusual," he said, adding that anything that harms an actor's appearance could affect their work.

"Dr. McDreamy needs his cheekbones," Brooks said. "Real violence can lead to fictional violence that can end your job."


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Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Madonna had always said she wanted more children, however she is getting a little long in the tooth to have them naturally. So why not adopt? We are missing the bigger picture here, a child was taken into a family where he/she would ALWAYS be taken care of and needs met. As much as I dislike Madonna, I think what she did was wonderful, whether it was for publicity or not.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
In the US, (typically) you do not get a choice of infants to choose from. (There just aren't the numbers to do that.)

In many foreign countries, you will get a referral. You look at that referral (which is a child, has a photo and information about that child in it) and then decide if you want that child or not. If so, you meet the child and eventually adopt him/her. If not, they will show you another referral. Time between referrals differs. And not all countries do that.

Escapee is right. Why are the famous scrutinized so hard? Even when they do something good?

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 2:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
something to ponder:

link

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
very interesting article, Maris!

Viera wondered aloud something like "Why couldn't Madonna give money to the father, so the child wouldn't be separated from the father"?


great question!

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Because money only goes so far when it's given. Maybe the father didn't want the responsibility of caring for a child without a mother. Maybe the father wanted a better life for his child than what he could give, money or not.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Because money only goes so far when it's given.

It must go some distance (which I applaud her for) .....where she is funding the Raising Malawi centre to feed and educate Aids orphans.

As part of their studies, orphans at the centre will be taught a curriculum based on Spirituality for Kids, linked to the Kabbalah school of mysticism, of which Madonna is a follower.....Madonna plans to spend at least $3m (£1.6m) on programmes to alleviate poverty in Malawi and another $1m to fund a documentary about the plight of children in the country. She has met the former US president Bill Clinton to see whether they can work together to bring low-cost medicines to the region.

She has also teamed up with the economist Jeffrey Sachs - Bono's favourite development guru - to assist his "millennium village" programme, in which he seeks to transform the fortunes of individual villages.



interesting....
It was unclear whether Madonna, for whom Malawi waived its ban on non-resident adoptions, would leave the country with her adopted baby or whether they would be reunited at a later date.



1887694%2C00.html,http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1887694,00.html

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
did you hear about Mel Gibson's interview with 60 minutes, very contrite and he said he thought that the reason he acted the way he did was as a delayed reaction to all the criticism he took for his movie Passion and how he was treated so badly.

I dont know but it sounds like he is blaming those damn jews again

He ought to just go away

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 5:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Well phoney contrite to this 'damn jew' is better than not contrite at all. There's a saying, ACT AS IF, and if he ACTS contrite enough, maybe one day it will sink in and become a reality, and who's to say it hasn't already... (shrug) although personally I doubt it. Mind you, he's finally speaking from his gut, and it makes sense that he was p'od cuz we all didn't roll over and agree with the underlying theme of his film which painted the Jewish people so negatively etc etc, and caused so much grief to so many. I want him to continue to apologize until we both believe it, he and I. Cuz I for one was tremendously hurt and angered by his film and by his drunken rant.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 7:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I wonder if the bad feelings over Madonna have more to do with our disgust that Celebrities who seem to already have it all, always seem to get special privledges that us regular Joe's don't.

I know someone adopting from Kazacstan (spell?) and when they travel, they do not have a specific child picked out for them. When the get to the orphanage, they are shown a child and at that time they are allowed to say "no thanks" and be shown another child. It is quite different than it used to be when another friend adopted and was given a referral and a specific child before she travelled.

I'm not so offended by Madonna "picking" the child. Isn't that what went on years ago in the Romanian orphanages (long before they closed to international adoption). In the US birthmothers get to pick adoptive families. Women get to pick egg donors or sperm donors from a catalog. I know it's somewhat different....

What's frustrating is that special consideration is given to celebrities with open wallets to adopt from countries that you and I cannot.

Snee
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06-26-2001

Friday, October 13, 2006 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Snee a private message Print Post    
chinese officials matched snickle with me. they did a great job. i would not have wanted to have to choose. they sent a referral--snickle's medical and developmental information along with two pictures. after seeing her pix though, and knowing who she was, there would have been no way i would have refused the referral. i understand that that is usually the case.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Monday, October 16, 2006 - 2:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
I hope Madonna treats this child the same as the other two.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Monday, October 16, 2006 - 3:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Buggles a private message Print Post    
Madonna faces court battle to adopt child

· Human rights groups in Malawi seek injunction
· Child's father says he is bewildered by star's action

1923475%2C00.html,http://society.guardian.co.uk/children/story/0,,1923475,00.html

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Monday, October 16, 2006 - 3:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Buggles a private message Print Post    
uh oh - sorry that link doesn't work

you can link to the story from this page

http://society.guardian.co.uk/

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Monday, October 16, 2006 - 3:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
First, we don't know that Madonna is a good parent. She could be another Mommie Dearest for all we know.

Second, if she wants a child so bad why doesn't she adopt one from a country where it is legal for foreigners to adopt. There are plenty and then some to go around.

I don't understand why the child would be in an orphanage if he has a living father. It sounds like there are many real orphans in this country who need help.

A friend of mine wanted to adopt a Russian baby. They sent her profiles as the children became available. She chose one, flew over and it fell through. They sent her another profile, she flew over, found out the baby had a brother so she adopted both. She chose those two boys because they each extensive medical problems and she was a nurse in the neonatal hospital. Each boy has had several surgeries to correct problems. Apparently, at that time, Alaska reimbursed a lot of the costs for Russian adoptions.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, October 16, 2006 - 5:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Twiggy, why wouldn't she?

Chilli, the father has no money and cannot support the child. That child is in need as much as a "real" orphan.

Maris, it depends on the organization that you work with and also what country you work with. Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan and some eastern european countries do usually show you children til you "pick" one. But they show one at a time (not a group). Guatemala, China, Taiwan, Korea, etc, will let you chose a sex (well, China doesn't really have any healthy infant boys), but they match you up.

Now if you look at a site like this:

http://www.adopting.com/photolisting/index.shtml

then you obviously can pick and choose...

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Monday, October 16, 2006 - 5:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
Julie, I wonder about her motivation for adopting him.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, October 16, 2006 - 5:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Personally, I think it is wonderful that one more child will have a home. Madonna's past, or whatever bothers people about her, are not really our concern. If she falls in love with a child and wants to better his/her life, bravo!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, October 16, 2006 - 5:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I agree Hukd!

I also think it is good that it might result in some "regular joes" in adopting a needy child. There are a lot out there.

The biggest obstacle is that it can cost a pretty penny to adopt. Plus there usually is a lot of travel involved. In Russia or Ukraine for example, there are usually two trips involved, up to 10 or 12 weeks total. In China, it is one trip, usually 17-21 days. A lot of people cannot get that time off of work. And in most cases, BOTH parents have to travel. There are some countries where an escort is provided, but that is more expensive...

THere are also a TON of foster kids who desperately need homes. Problem there is that a lot of those foster kids, especially the older they are, often have a lot of emotional problems. The govt does pay for their "room and board" though...

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, October 16, 2006 - 5:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
First, we don't know that Madonna is a good parent. She could be another Mommie Dearest for all we know.

Sorry, but you could insert any single person's name in place of Madonna's...even any one of us from TVCH. We see about Madonna what the media wants us to see.