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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 8:28 am
Thankyou Cheryln, Sun my vet also had a wealth of information about laws. The pit that lives near me got loose one day and got to a neibors little dog and they were able to take some legal action that cause theas people to loose their homeowners insurance for 3yrs and a huge fine.. if it happens again..the penalties are far higher with each offence...have the other people that have lost thier pets reported it, it takes numbers in order to get any thing done ive found out.. Im praying for you.
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Cynny
Member
06-21-2001
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 8:39 am
Sun...I read about your loss in the BB chat thread and wanted to come right away and tell you how sorry I am about your heartbreaking loss. As a fellow animal lover, I can hardly bear to imagine what you are going through. My heart and prayers go out to you, along with all of the rest of our extended family here. Much love to you.
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 8:44 am
Sun, most of the info here is about attacks on humans, but there is a little info about attacks on animals. The Food & Agriculture Code" section has info that might help you. From the infor there, it looks like those dogs would fit the legal description for "Potentially Dangerous Dog". If their previous attacks were reported, they should already have been listed as such and the owners notified. If this is the case, then they may fit the legal definition of "Vicious Dog". This would be important when you file your suit. I'm glad you will have someone knowledgable helping you with that. I know right now the legal aspects are not the most important to you. Right now you just need to deal with the loss of your babies. I am so happy to hear that you found your cats. That has to be some comfort to you, even if cat wrangling isn't any fun.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 9:10 am
Oh {{{{Sun}}}}} I don't even know what to say. I'm crying with you and I can't even imagine what you're going through. I'm just heart-broken. Add in the anger at those owners and I'm a big mess of feelings. Here, they arrest people and and rule they cannot own any pets again EVER. I do need to check on if it's just for owners who mistreat animals, but I know they have arrested people with vicious Pits and they put the Pits down after making sure they have no rabies AND they need to keep them until the person has their day in court. Please know you're in my thoughts and prayers and I pray you get all your kitties back and find your dear BJ. Sun, Cedar, Otter
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 9:23 am
Sun - I read to the bottom to where Cdba was referring and gleaned this part for you since I'm sure it's hard for you to concentrate right now. This is from the link above: " (1) Any dog that when unprovoked inflicts bites or attacks a human being or domestic animal either on public or private property, or in a vicious or terrorizing manner, approaches any person in apparent attitude of attack upon the streets, sidewalks, or any public grounds or places; or (2) Any dog with a known propensity, tendency or disposition to attack unprovoked, to cause injury or to otherwise endanger the safety of human beings or domestic animals; or (3) Any dog which engages in, or is found to have been trained to engage in, exhibitions of dog fighting; or (4) Any dog at large found to attack, menace, chase, display threatening or aggressive behavior or otherwise threaten or endanger the safety of any domestic animal or person." Hope you can get some justice with this info. {{Sun}}
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 9:35 am
Chewpito, Never thought of homeowners insurance, they probably don't have it, but I will persue it. Cdbga, they are already classified as potentially dangerous. There is a court order that they cannot leave the yard at any time, and must be muzzled when out of yard with owner. Animal control was here, with the sheriff for nearly an hour. Guy refused to let them on the property, refused to let me see the dogs to ID them. So Animal Control has now headed back to Marysville (1hour) to get the pics he has of the dogs and will bring the pics back up here for me to ID. AC also has the court order and will be bringing that back with him. The owner can be arrested with the court order. So, the goal is to get the owner arrested, then they can take the dogs, because...duh...owner in jail, no one to take care of dogs. I asked the lady at AC if George could bring me back a dog to foster or adopt. They are discussing it. I promised them that the dog would be outside only on a leash or inside the house at all times. The woman at AC said she has a dog in mind, but will have to get George to approve it. I can't stand the stillness. IN about 2 hours, hopefully those owners will be in jail and the dogs will all be gone. George took away my babies, he will photograph them and cremate them. Cedar will be cremated in his little blanki. We still can't find BJ's body, I imagine in a couple of days, it's location will become obvious. He is the size of a person, so he's gonna toss up a big odor.
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 9:37 am
Watchings, is that a federal or state law? I'm in California. Since you recognize my mental limitations at the moment, can you send the link again. Thanks
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Buttercup
Member
09-10-2000
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 9:54 am
Oh, Sunrvrose, I just read through this thread and the tears keep coming. I can't even imagine what you are going through. My heart is with you 
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 9:56 am
That was a Ca. law that I had them post Sun...
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 9:58 am
The link is in cdbga 10:31am post...}
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Regee
Member
10-09-2005
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 10:16 am
Sun, I lurk every day and hardly ever post, but I am crying right now for what you are going thru. My heart, body, and soul are with you. Are you in Marysville, MO, as I am not that far from there its just out of St. Joe and I can be there in 2 hours to be with you if you want, I am in Omaha. Let me know and now I am going to go hug and kiss my 2 white boxers (both rescues) and tell them how much they mean to their "Mommy" Reg'ee
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 11:01 am
{{{{Sun}}}}
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 11:28 am
Hi Regee, no, I am in the Sierra foothills above Marysville, CA. What a generous offer, thank you so much. I am still waiting for AC to return. It is a 2 hour round trip, plus whatever time he needed while he was down there to take care of my dogs. I sure hope I don't get a call saying they can't come back till Monday. I don't even care if they think I'm a bad person, I am having a glass of chardonnay with soda while I wait. Just one, tho. I haven't eaten since lunch yesterday. I've been vomiting a lot. I get crying so hard that it makes me vomit.
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Tess
Member
04-13-2001
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 11:36 am
Sun, I'm so sorry for what happened. {{{{Sunrvrose}}}}
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 11:50 am
Oh Sun, it is too bad you don't live in Illinois. The Governor there just signed legislation that makes what happened to your dogs a felony punishable by up to 7 years (depending on the count...and your situation is multiple counts).
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Christiii
Member
07-07-2005
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 11:54 am
Im kinda near you Sunrvrose!! Im in Lodi!! our Great Pyrenees rescue group is in the Sacramento area, and always looking for people to foster or adopt....I have one that is adopted from there and he is just precious...I know when I lost my pyr Gabriel to bone cancer, the only thing that helped me get over it was adopting Beaumont.... Just wanted you to know, Im here and CLOSE if you need anything!!
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:06 pm
Chewipo, found the page and printed out all 22 pages to have ready for AC when(I hope) he returns. Christiii, that is just how I am. I need another dog, like 5 minutes ago. It's odd how differdnt people react to this devestating kind of loss. I just want another dog in my lap right this minute. I wish I'd hear something from Animal Control, it's been 2 and a half hours now. There aren't words to describe how much I loved Cedar. I loved otter way too much too, I was there the day she was born. BJ is a shepherd I rescued and had the soul of a lamb, but I wasn't as close to him. What I feel the need for right this minute is a tiny little doggie who I can hold in my lap and cuddle, like my cedar.
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:13 pm
I'm going to go sit out on the deck and cry for a while and wait for AC. I'll check back in a while. To each and Everyone of you, I really cannot express how much it means to me that you have been there with your comfort and understanding.
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Christiii
Member
07-07-2005
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:13 pm
well if the AC people dont come thru..check out www.petfinder.com we have our pyrs on there, but there are a zillion kinds..and you can see who is available in your area..its a dangerous site to browse tho...I stay away from it....2 pyrs are all I can handle!!
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Regee
Member
10-09-2005
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:23 pm
Sun: Oh how I wish it was Marysville, MO. I wish I was there like I am sure many here do that could just sit with you, do your dishes, tidy up or what ever you need. And I wish I was there so you wouldn't have to be alone at this time. Praying that the AC people get back today, but its only like 2:30ish there so there is lots time yet. Have the neighbor's said anything to you at all and most important are they dog's in? Reg'ee
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:39 pm
Im the same way Sun, I would need another dog right away too, My animals are my best friends and just thinking how in pain you are just makes me hurt with you...I hope the paper work helps some, also get the other people that had lost thier dogs to write statements or band togeather with you... It sounds to me like enoph is enoph.. I hope you find a new freind real soon to comfort you....
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 1:24 pm
I hope you get another dog soon Sun and that you and he can have some nice time together.
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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 1:26 pm
Sunv, I am still praying you find your shepherd alive. Are you sure these people are home owners? If they are renters, perhaps you can persuade the landlord to change the lease to prohibit pets. I know this is the least of your worries, but from experience, I can tell you that if those neighbors (too good a word for them) HAVE homeowner's insurance, you can file a claim against them for (1) any monetary value you can assign to the loss of your dogs and (2) for mental health counseling to help you deal with the tragedy. If they do not have homeowner's insurance, you probably have a snowball's chance of being compensated in any way. If someone filed a claim against them before, it's likely they have no coverage that makes the insurer liable for losses caused by a pet. In our incident, several years ago: When the pitbull pushed his way past Ed (when he opened the screen door) into our home to get at Herc, my dh, Ed, dived to separate the pit from Herc. He wound up glued to the floor with his hands on the pit's jaws to keep them from clamping any further into Herc's neck--had to finally kill the pitbull. My dd Lauren was upstairs and didn't know anything was going on at first. The pit was flailing its head and ripping Herc's neck apart and nothing--not a dining room chair crashed against his body--and neither Lauren's nor Ed's full force could get him to release his jaws. My dd was hysterical and when her dad instructed her to get a knife, she became even more hysterical. But it was the only thing that would allow my dh to kill the dog and save Herc. The neighbor's homeowner's paid for counseling for both my dh and dd, as well as for replacement of our rug and curtains that were ruined in the attack. It took months for us to calm our sensitive emotions after witnessing this terrible incident. (I was at work and came screeching home after a hysterical phonecall from my dd to find the aftermath. Ed was being loaded into an ambulance (his hand was mangled and he was in shock); Lauren was hysterical; a dog lay dead in a lake (not a pool) of blood, and Herc lay limply on the floor. Policemen, the neighbor's wife, and Animal Control were all present. I kissed Ed and hustled Lauren into the car to hold Herc and raced to the vet's, with my heart in my mouth and tears streaming down my face. Are you within city limits? Often, city regulations are tougher than county (or borough) ones. The Humane Society (or AC) should take these folks to court, if indeed, they did violate laws. If so, you can expect to be called to court to testify against the owners. I would see this through to the end, and volunteer to work towards seeing that the law is changed (if it needs refinement)--as well as to prevent these people (and those like them) from ever owning any animal again.
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 3:08 pm
That had to be a horrible experiance Herc, I just can not emagine it, this whole thing just breaks my heart..the advice you gave concerning the homeowners insurance is exactly what my vet told me when I was trying to get info about my niebors dog(pit)they let it run free and it scares me to death and the owners scare me as well because they make jokes and say things like "get her" when I walk by and I just am so mad.. every thing you said Herc is just what I learned from my vet.. The problem I have with my niebors is that we have a Homeowners assc.(and every one is too afraid of theas people to get involved-well Im not)also our street is a private st..The AC will not respond to a private street unless its mortal injury..."that is so crap" so I am trying now to get out of the HOA and have our street not private..but every one has to agree and nobody wants to stir the pot...I am so angry.. but I will not stop this fight.. The one thing I am told though by the police and AC is that if I can get enough complaints (band togeather) that is allways better for your case. Right now thankyou Herc for sharing your story, and Sun I am in Chico, not sure if that is close to you or not but if you need anything please ask, I am a animal lover and can feel your pain.. I hope you are all right.
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 4:28 pm
Hercle, yes, unfortunately, they are the homeowners and there is no doubt in my mind that they wouldn't bother with insurance. However, a light just went on, if the house is financed, they have to have ins. I am thankful that I didn't see my dogs being killed. I can't imagine how difficult it was for your dh to fight off that dog and save yours. I am in the county, and tho I think the world of our boys "in tan", they can be a little wishy washy. But I'll appreciate that someday when I'm in trouble for something. So, sitting under my feet, not being ignored, is a little white dog named Charlie. There is a lady here in town who does tons of animal rescue, the AC guy went to her and had her call me, she has at least 10-15 dogs up for adoption. It just took one glance at Charlie and that was that. I have no idea what breed he is. He weighs 10 lbs or less, is just one year old, and is white to cream with long hair. Has mega-mats, but I'll get them a few at a time. Don't have a digital camera, it went on a permanent vacation, so can't do pics yet. Will go into town tomorrow and see if anyone an take a pic for me. Right now, he doesn't want to be here just about as much as I do want him here. He is very timid, but is beginning to come when I call him. Bad news is, he is definately a runner, so for a while at least I will not be able to take my eyes off of him. Needless to say, he will never go outside this house without me with him. 2 shampoos so far and Whewwwwwww 'tinky. a gazzillion fleas, and breath....I stay upwind. He's just been left out with all the other mutts for a long time. For the first time in 24 hours, my eyes aren't nearly swollen shut from crying. I think I've made it about 2 hours. I absolutely knew that this was the medicine I needed. But I seriously smell like a stinky wet dog, got to go change. I know that this won't keep me from crying myself to sleep tonight, and I don't know how long it will be till I go a whole day without crying. I'll look for a pic of a dog on the net who looks similar, but I can't imagine finding one. For now, think 7 pound white cocker spaniel.
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