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Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003
| Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 12:42 pm
I'm currently on Day 1 of a 12-day detoxifying cleanse (Wild Rose). It's a good beginner cleanse, because you can eat, and you have to limit what you eat. No dairy, no gluten, no sugar. 80% of your diet revolves around fruits (non-tropical), veggies, and brown rice. 20% of your diet is meats and fish, and a few weird items like peas. I have to take 4 different types of pills/drops at breakfast and at dinner. The pills/drops are a laxative, a bile stimulant for your liver, some kind of blood cleanser, and some herb extract drops. The reason I did this was that I saw a girl I hadn't seen in a couple of months, and there was something about her face and her skin that was absolutely GLOWING. She just looked plain healthy. Normally I don't notice stuff like that, but it was hard to ignore. I told her she looked great, and she said she thinks it was because she had just finished this cleanse. A couple of weeks later, I felt like my skin wasn't as good as it usually is, and really realized my diet SUCKS. No thanks to eating convenience foods while watching BB feeds. So I decided to look up cleanses, and settled on the Wild Rose one. So I was just wondering....has anyone else done one? I know a LOT of people who do them, as it seems fairly trendy here in Vancouver. But after seeing the change in my friend, I admit, I was impressed with the results. In any case, would love to hear your experiences.
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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 12:45 pm
Ask Dahli. She does them.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 12:57 pm
My Dahli bear!!! Hopefully she reads here....
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 2:07 pm
I went on one several years ago. It was this http://www.standardprocess.com/sp_catalog_product_detail.asp you have two protein shakes with fruit and flax oil in it per day, and unlimited veggies..mostly raw but can be cooked or lightly grilled in olive oil. you are on it for 3 weeks. it's a little tough in the beginning as your body begins to detox, but afterwards i looked and felt fantastic.
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Urgrace
Member
08-19-2000
| Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 5:46 pm
We sell an all fruit smoothie which helps a lot of our customers, but it includes mangos. I didn't know it had to not have tropical fruits. Thanks for the tip. Next time someone asks I will delete the mango from their drink. It is very helpful when starting on a weight loss regimen to detox first.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 10:13 pm
I'm wondering if the tropical fruit aren't allowed because of "mould" reasons, or because of the sugar levels.
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 6:21 am
I haven't been on a detox, but I wonder... while you're doing it, can you still work out/exercise?
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 8:31 am
My nutritionist that put me on this said to do only 30 minutes of walking a day...something, but not really strenuous.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 8:32 am
I was wondering that, too, Yankee. Thanks for asking.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 8:41 am
"only 30 minutes?" Man, you say that as if it's not much. That's about what I do each day (well closer to 40 - 45 mins) and that alone about kills me!!! 
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 8:55 am
That would be the hard part for me -- not being able to go to the gym and/or get some hard exercise in.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 9:01 am
Same here. Since I started running, I have a hard time just walking. I'm kinda interested in this, though. Keep us posted, Eeyore.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 10:34 am
Well, I'll keep you posted. Apparently the first few days of this are a bit hard, because your body wants the sugar and the breads. But I don't feel low-energy yet. My gf I mentioned above said that she did everything as normal on the cleanse. The only way her life was a *bit* different was the umm...more frequent trips to the bathroom. But the good thing about this cleanse is that I am still eating. Here is the chart of foods you are allowed to eat: http://www.wrc.net/wrcnet_content/dietplans/d-tox_diet_12day.htm You can see that it's a TON of good stuff, and probably a lot of what you're already eating, if you're eating healthy already. The only things that are hard are the lack of flour products (so no bread, crackers, etc), and DRESSINGS for salads can't have any dairy or vinegars (including balsamic). So if you don't mind a lemon juice-olive oil-herbs dressing, then you're fine. I found some brown jasmine rice, and some brown basmati rice, so there is still better flavour while having the benefits of brown rice. I eat a ton of that. The meat stuff is in the 20% column, so it's a rice/veggies/salad kind of a diet. I bought a "value pack" of 10 chicken breasts, and I will marinate a breast in fresh squeezed lemon juice (Realemon has preservatives), oregano, salt & pepper, and rosemary. It basically tastes like souvlaki once I grill it. I had to go buy PURE fruit juice with no sugar or preservatives added. Actually, that wasn't that hard; Sun Rype has a 100% apple juice, and here in Vancouver, you can get those "Ceres" pure fruit juices, so I bought pear and peach. Ummmm...breakfast is the hardest for me, only because I am allergic to eggs. I am stuck with plain rice cakes with "almond butter", and an apple. LOL That said, I think eggs are in the 20% column, so a whole omelette wouldn't exactly be following the rules, but it would help me chow down the green and red peppers. And I guess you could eat a baked potato chopped up with some onion as hash browns too. So far, I am just starting day 2. I have a bit of a headache, but I'm wondering if it is that I haven't drank enough. Last night I worked, and you aren't allowed tap water (you need distilled or spring), so I brought a bottle of diluted apple juice, but it got a bit busy, so I had no time to drink. This morning my headache is going away. My gf said the first few days are the worst, then you feel recharged and amazing. I don't feel WORSE than my normal self, but I guess today and tomorrow will be the main days to feel bad. I'll keep you all posted. Feel free to ask more questions.
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 6:39 pm
I think cleanses are great... not familiar with this one and hope you do well on it. My first couple of concerns I see here are commercial juices, distilled water and rice cakes, but I'm going to take a closer look at the link and see what's what. I would think the fruit options have a lot to do with sugar since most cleanses are assuming a certain level of candida exists in the user. With headaches I always recommend pure clean real water ( not the dead distilled stuff) and minerals. Good Luck Sweets! Any time folks decrease 'acid' producing foods it's good news to me.
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 7:06 pm
Ok, I took a look it's great list and a really good outline for what's a good way to eat but have a couple other things to say First juices are not a terrific idea, as fruit juices are on the not recommended list and commercial juices are typically pasteurized, it's just a lot of sugar is all, so unless they are fresh, consumed immediately and preferably vegetable not the best option. It lists water and I couldn't see distilled which is a relief... That's your best bet on a cleanse anyway. I'm not a big fan of rice cakes nor soy unless it's fermented and am sorry to see tofu and soy milk here.... but nut and rice milks are very nice too with things for breakfast like millet, buckwheat, and oats with fruit. I often grill a nice wild salmon fillet and then use chunks of it cold for some skin friendly breakfast protein. Also soaking stuff if you really want the enzyme activity like almonds and sunflower seeds make good snacks even chia seeds although they are a bit jelly like! LOL Have you tried Beans??!! They're my new favourite passion! All kinds and mash them and mix them with fresh lemon, garlic, olive oil, some sea salt, curry or turmeric and chopped tomatoes etc YUMMY! Yikes! I gotta stop, I'm getting carried away and hungry!
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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 7:40 pm
Ok, I just read everyone's comments and now I'm interested! Sure would be good to do leading up to my physical, too!
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Urgrace
Member
08-19-2000
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 7:58 pm
LOL I've been having a lot of fun using this.
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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 8:39 pm
ROTF!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 9:30 pm
Hey Dahli! Good to see you!!! Thanks for posting! This is most definitely a beginner's cleanse. I pretty much think it's just setting you up to eat healthier. I ALWAY eat junk food, so this is showing me that I can survive without it. LOL But you don't even KNOW how many times today I've thought, "I'd like a shortbread cookie right now". I'm wondering if pasteurization is bad with regards to the fruit juices. I guess it would be, in that it probably kills many of the nutrients. I need the apple juice, because I HATE water. I know, I'm weird. I really just can't drink it. I'm trying to use this cleanse tie to wean myself off sweet beverages. I'm diluting about 40% AJ with 60% water right now. I'm going to try to keep cutting back the juice until it's just water. I'm scared of the "beans" part of it, because the pamphlet that comes with the cleanse kit is sort of vague. Beans are listed in both columns, and I don't know which are which. I think that the beans like kidney/lima/pinto beans may be in the 20% column, because PEAS are in that column. I bought a big bag of green beans though. Another thing I find weird about this cleanse is that I can't have dairy, but I can have BUTTER, and it's in the 80% column?!! You don't even understand how tempted I am to drench my veggies in butter!!! Today was OK for me. I did nothing. I have the next 5 days off of work, and I had planned it that way, in case I had a really toxic body and had low energy and headaches and stuff. But today was really good. I could have totally done stuff, but mentally, I was just like "I need a day to putz around the house". It had NOTHING to do with my energy level. I didn't even nap at all. My breakfast was only about half a rice cake, to take pills with, and some apple juice/water mix. My lunch was late, and was more like a dinner. I had a bowl of brown rice and a bowl of corn with sea salt and butter on it. Now I am sitting at my desk snacking on two apples, sliced up, and I am dunking the slices in almond butter (although I added a ton of cinnamon to the almond butter and mixed it up, for better flavor). Dahli, I pulled out my pamphlet, and the 20% column foods are labeled "Acid Forming Foods". Column 2 (the starches) are called Alkaline forming foods. And column 3 are Bluk forming "Neutral foods". That sounds like it's sort of linked to "food combining". There is a caution to use salt, rice milk, soy milk, tomato juice or V8 juice in moderation. How can they even MENTION V8 juice? It has sugar in it, AND preservatives? At least the juices I buy are JUST juice! No sugar, or anything! Honestly, this diet is ENOUGH of a change for me. Going and buying a juicer, and choking down veggie juice just isn't something I want to do yet!! LOL Tonight, I've thrown a roast (frozen) in the crock pot with some carrots, onions and potatoes, and that should be a nice lunch tomorrow. Oh and the beans in the first column are "Dried beans", so I guess that applies to all of the beans you mention.
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Schoolmarm
Member
02-18-2001
| Friday, August 25, 2006 - 4:28 am
Beans, beans the incredible fruit, The more you eat, the more you toot, The more you toot, the better you feel, So beans, beans, with every meal!
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Friday, August 25, 2006 - 6:59 am
LOL Marm!! it goes away trust me!! I hear ya on the changing Eeyore - you have my sympathy and my deep respect, it is awesome that you're even beginning this now, most folks unfortunately wait till something like a chemo lab is staring them in the face to 'get it'... My DD is planning to study for her ND degree which is pretty exciting and she is another of your generation who is deciding allopathy has it's place but there's a better way for every day...the boomers screwed this up for sure. What I understand the lists to be are foods that affect your PH level either negatively or positively, there is some controversy about this, but it's logical in a way when you look at them and see most of what you want to ingest is live or as close to that as possible. Once it's gone through any kind of processing, the value is lowered. Microwaved foods in particular are scary. You're right about V8 and other juices that are pasterized, or anything that's pasteurized, it does destroy enzymes, and no sugar is absolutely right, using the juice as you are doing, to move in the water direction is a good option. My point about fresh juice was if you are ever going to use it as nutrition, that's when you want to be careful with the source and the prep. It's all a process...every little step you take has untold huge value! V8 would not be my first choice either because it has salt and sugar (for dumb) So yes, you have to balance convenience with value, but if you do drive a car you will note that seldom do you dump whatever in it and expect it to run well if at all - ?Es Verdad? ;) Sweetie!! it's hard to get protein from rice cakes. Maybe some nuts or seeds with that? Greens are not typically favorites at breakfast but beans or fish maybe? And dried beans like pinto, black garbanzo etc soaked and slow cooked is what I meant, lima and other goobers is not. Also sprouts is quick and easy and incredible for value added snacks. I agree about butter, (good fats are our friends) but limited, a little goes a long way, and organic if possible preferably grass fed animals, but that's a lot to ask. Pasteurized dairy is good if you like liquid formica! LOL! Anyhoo, I understand what you're saying about water, but if there is one thing I would urge you to do, it is decide to love it. See it in a different way and understand that the 2 square inches that sit on the tongue do have a purpose, but contrary to popular belief they are not running the show! LOL. Most of what is wrong with folks starts with dehydration and really water is what we need. I have a good friend who started out squeezing lemons and limes and a drop of stevia, slowly cutting those back until fresh wonderful water is all she drinks! She also was a salt phobe and her intake of sea salt and sea vegetables (minerals) has increased. Her problem was chronic back pain, and it's gone, obviously she's a believer now. I am so excited for you, because you are gaining knowledge and with that comes power over your health and your future - believe it!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, August 25, 2006 - 7:51 am
I love the sea salt, only because I think I like saltier foods. I put it in everything. AND I buy the grey sea salt from France, that is completely unrefined. From what I've read, it is better because it is only something like 84% sodium chloride, whereas other sea salts and regular table salts are around 98% NaCl. What is Stevia? As for the beans, I think that those "varieties" of beans are the ones on the 20% side, and the ones on the 80% side are green beans. Mmmmm.....lightly steamed green beans with a bit of butter and salt! So good! Before I did this cleanse, I was looking at doing the Masters Cleanse (lemonade cleanse) and in reading up on it, I learned how many minerals and healthy things are in lemons and limes (provided they are freshly squeezed). I think I am going to try to encorporate more of them into my diet. I'm really hoping that this cleanse helps me get away from the sweet foods. I am addicted to them! I MIGHT look at doing the Candida cleanse after this one. I read that if you have a high craving for sweets, you could have an overgrowth of candida in your body. We'll see how this one goes though. I'm starting day 3, and I have a headache. I'm trying to drink more, to combat it, but I think I'm going to go back to bed for a bit. Thanks for posting to me Dahli!! I'm learning a lot, and finding new avenues to explore! Hey Dahli, do you think the prairie lifestyle (compared to the west coast lifestyle) is a contributing factor in the use of healthier foods etc in our diet? I'm Ukrainian, I grew up in Winnipeg, and I love my pork, my potatoes, my cheese, and my sour cream. Lots of comfort food. Certainly not a lot of fibre or fish. Contrast that with living in Vancouver where FISH is the main protein out here, and all kinds of rices are available. People look at me weird when I order a side of mashed potatoes, and I tell them I hate fish. LOL. It just seems to me that the prairies are all about "meat & potatoes" as the ideal meal, whereas out here they are a little more health conscious. Here, it is TRENDY to eat healthy. Seriously!
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Friday, August 25, 2006 - 8:57 am
Oh, my passion! Love this! I'm sorry your head hurts, keep up the water, and try some deep breathing exercise, expelling toxins needs vehicles in which to do it. The side effects can be viewed as progress... I do think that much of what is consumed here is heavily rooted in those european roots yes. My mother's family is Ukranian and Polish and my Grandad left Melville SK and opened a perogy factory in Richmond! It did ok, but didn't exactly thrive so you're definitely on to something. I grew up eating that stuff as well, and after doing the master cleanse for the first time back in the 80's it entirely changed my focus. I still do that cleanse and it never fails to get me salivating for fresh produce. It's crazy! I was also a fish'hater', and when I took my now DH out for dinner the first time to one of my favourite high end restaurants and he ordered fish, I thought, 'well this ain't gonna work' LOL!! why would anyone with choice have fish! I still don't find it at the top of my favourite menu items, but do love eating it when I do, since I understand what it is doing for me and especially salmon if it's wild. I envy you your location for that - you have access to much more and have incredible choices and options. Have you tried sweet potatoes? One really yummy dish we enjoy is SP fries... baked with red pepper flakes, olive oil, lime and lots of sea salt - very good! Also baked on their own with butter, good tasting, a little sweet and lots of fibre. The dried beans I use for protein and fibre not to mention all the other nutrients they contain and the green are very good as are most veggies if you can get them fresh and use them fairly quickly and lightly cooked if not raw. Dark leafy is the real focus tho, and really are good for you. Yes the sea salt you use sounds good, it should contain 50+ minerals and be untreated... it clumps and that's annoying but big deal - table salt is the debil! Craving sweets is really a vicious cycle and clearing out yeast and candida in your system can help that immnensly to break the cycle If you can find stevia (drops) try using that in herbal teas for example, it sweetens nicely (just use a little) and it can offset that craving. Hey we're not crazy here, we do pizza night (albeit homemade) go out for ice cream a couple times a summer and even order the occasional dessert to share when travelling, and really you can begin to feel the fake grease in your mouth and brain numbing tooth aching sweetness which quickly loses it's charm but it's fun once in a while. I think it's mostly about the understanding and awareness and eating consciously that is key.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, August 25, 2006 - 9:18 am
Dahli - is stevia allowed during this cleanse? or is it a form of sugar or a chemical?
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Dahli
Member
11-27-2000
| Friday, August 25, 2006 - 9:36 am
Heavens no, it's not either one, it's actually an herb... much maligned by TPTB - so I would be surprised if it was not allowed, but that's a good question. I'll see what I can find out. http://www.stevia.net/
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