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Dahli
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11-27-2000

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 3:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
Well I think that it's just a matter of time then, the friend who explained how the taste of things change is absolutely right, and it is a process. You find yourself shifting your preferences and wants effortlessly.

We go to Costco and gag at the smell of baking cuz we see it so much differently now, ...grease poisen and glue. Don't push or rush, it will come, and once you 'know' I believe the mind takes better care of the body.

Balance and moderation is important it's true, and I can't stand those holier than thou extreme health freak types ;) but that said, marketing combined with habit, availability and ignorance do keep that kind of stuff attractive, you'll see as you continue to make different healthier choices more often than not, over time and with increased knowledge it changes almost on a cellular level, and it's not even a tough call, trust me.

Shadoe
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11-04-2004

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 3:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shadoe a private message Print Post    
I am thinking that you lose your taste for some things in your mouth, but you hang onto them in your mind.
I am betting that when you try to go back to those sugary things, they just will have lost the sparkle.

I am finding with cutting out bad fats and salts and many sugars plus all fast foods and junk, I now can't eat them at all.
I just wish my sense of smell and my brain would catch up with my mouth.

I am sure you could force yourself to want those sweets again, but why bother if you find they don't taste all that great anymore?

I don't know if I should try this cleanse type of activity - I am already very regular as in at least twice a day, and I have already cut out all the bad stuff in my diet.

Should a person do this cleanse activity no matter what?

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Eeyore, this cleanse diet isn't a permanent way of eating. It CAN help you to start making better food choices. Whole grains are always better than processed grains. Whole wheat pasta is wonderful! That's all I use. Think the outside of the grocery store. Fresh fruit is wonderful. I know my kids didn't like alot of cooked veggies, but love them raw.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 3:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
I agree, it's all about making better choices and eating consciously. We get in such ruts and there is so much choice as far as live real food out there. Just because something is organic though doesn't make it better if it's processed. The closer it is to the form it left the earth the ocean or the sky the better.

Shadoe, I've noticed that you seem to be very aware and informed on these issues, but as I suggested to Eeyore, www.thedoctorwithin.com website has some incredibly interesting chapters about the colon and blood detoxifying and might give you better answers than I could to that question.

If you have always eaten healthily not ever used prescription drugs, alcohol and other toxins then you likely wouldn't but there is I think always the possibility for improvement in how our bodies funtion especially as we age.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 3:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Vacanick - I'm doing the Wild Rose Herbal Detox. Check out this site: http://www.wrc.net/wrcnet_content/dietplans/d-tox_diet_12day.htm

It lists the foods you CAN and CANNOT have, and you take 6 pills and 30 drops of herb stuff in the morning and at dinner.





I DEFINITELY think the AWARENESS is a key factor in making dietary choices. I have always eaten jasmine rice, so why change? I'd never tried brown rice before the cleanse, but now that I have, it is such a simple and MUCH healthier switch that I'd find easy to make. Not to mention I found this gluten free organic brown jasmine rice, so doubly easy to switch!!

Yes, I like lots of fruits, but apparently not ones allowed on the cleanse! LOL Cantaloupe, bananas, watermelon, grapes, etc. I like apples, and it's like my main food during this clease has been apples and almond butter. It's what I munch on when sitting at my computer. I would definitely continue eating the apples too.

I agree with what my mother says about how your BODY doesn't necessarily want things, but your mind doesn't catch up as quickly. So you'll buy a burger at McDonalds, take one bite, and throw the rest away, thinking, "Why did I bother?"


Hey Dahli, you never told me why corn was bad...

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 4:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
Oops!! It's an interesting issue that corn... I don't think I am comfortable eating it because more than 70% is genetically modified. As a matter of fact GM soybeans and corn make up the largest portion of genetically engineered crops. So unless it's organic it's useless nutrition wise and I go back to the animals 'knowing' better than we do what offers value and what doesn't. A Dutch farmer left two piles of maize in a barn infested with mice, one pile GM (genetically modified), the other non-GM. The GM pile was untouched, while the non-GM pile was completely eaten up. Incredible eh?

Also corn is "universally contaminated" with fumonisin and other fungal toxins such as aflatoxin, zearalenone and ochratoxin. We were told to avoid it last year by the naturopath treating Randy.

Fumonisin and aflatoxin are known for their cancer-causing effects, while zearalenone and ochratoxin cause estrogenic and kidney-related problems, respectively. Just as corn is universally contaminated with mycotoxins, our food supply seems to be universally contaminated with corn--it’s everywhere! A typical chicken nugget at a fast food restaurant consists of a nugget of corn-fed chicken that is covered by a corn-based batter that is sweetened with corn syrup

I see it as a 'feed' crop, used to fatten up livestock since it's cheap and starchy. This is not a natural food for animals and they do suffer the consequences, but it's cheap!!

Who doesn't enjoy some fresh corn on the cob in the summer - but hey other than that I just don't think it has value. Besides my calories have to matter... at my age can't waste 'em LOL.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 1:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Eeyore, the cleanse isn't going to last forever! Sure, you can't eat those fruits now, but what are you going to do after the cleanse?

Yep, Dahli, that's pretty much my feeling on corn..if it's fed to livestock to fatten them up, is it something I really want to eat?

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 6:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
For sure Tex, that's also my feeling on cow's milk... it's used to make fat and happy baby calfs turn into big bulky cows. The lucky cows though do get it in it's alive form. Imagine if they had to drink dead pasteurized milk, which is all that is available to us. Pottinger's cows anyone? LOL!

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 9:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I broke my cleanse tonight. Not due to caving on a type of food or anything like that, but my bf came home from Greece, and the thought of not being able to go out to dinner with him and order normal food, or to spend my LAST free weekend before school starts all tied up in diet rules just didn't seem fun. I times my cleanse poorly, but will re-do the full cleanse over winter break.

Schoolmarm
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02-18-2001

Friday, September 01, 2006 - 5:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Schoolmarm a private message Print Post    
Um, folks...CORN for animals is Feed corn, and is not even close to the sweet corn that we buy at the farmer's market or store for us to eat. Seed corn is another beast all together.

Corn does have a high sugar content, and it is not on my hypoglycemic diet.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Friday, September 01, 2006 - 7:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
You did great Eeyore, and next time will be better.... how excited you must be after all that time apart I would have done the same ;)!!

Sorry Marm, corn is corn. Sweet or feed it has the same effect on us, according to Randy's doc anyway, so we stay clear, certainly doesn't mean anybody else has to.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, September 01, 2006 - 10:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Here's something crazy though....

I took all my pills yesterday at dinner (before Mike came home), so one would think I'm all normal in my office trips. But after eating normal food late at night, my morning "bus ride" never happened!!

I think the contrast in how long it takes the HEALTHY foods to travel through you, versus how long it takes breads, sugars and dairy to travel through you, definitely makes you stop and think. Just seeing that contrast makes me freak out at why my late night meal is "still in me".

I most definitely plan to add brown rice, and more veggies and apples to my regular diet. It's scar to not see things "moving" anymore!!!

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Friday, September 01, 2006 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
It's scary alright. 'Journey to the Centre of the Colon' or 'Allergies' really spells it out.

It's stunning to think how much grief we go through because of something as simple and straightforward as this, how many drugs and diseases flourish because we won't make such simple changes.
But things often do change 'once you know'...

ok /rant over

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, September 01, 2006 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Very valid rant. Sitting here right now, I'm SHOCKED at how long this bus ride is taking.

Question - do you think the Wild Rose diet was extreme? I still want to eat my cheese and bananas. If most of your diet resembles that diet, but you still enjoy the bananas and yogurt and stuff, you're still OK, right?

I could TOTALLY follow that diet, but I would want: teriyaki sauce for broccoli stir fry, yogurt for breakfast (add fruit), an tomato sauces for various things. That was the only problem I had with the diet being a continuing way of life.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Friday, September 01, 2006 - 3:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
Oh I would think so, it's truly about balance, but again if you can keep close to the 80/20 ratio alkaline to acid and really focus on fibre, nutrients and unprocessed foods and drink, using water and minerals regularly it would make a great difference.

Everybody is different and you really have to listen to your own body adn what it needs, you know more now than you did when you started and I have a feeling the learning will continue.

I don't think it was extreme per se, as it was done for a specific purpose, similar to the seasonal cleaning done around the house or to the car. You do your best to maintain and keep things 'neat' but there are times when ya go hard. ;) but that doesn't mean you completely slack off on maintenance and such the rest of the time, it's just not as intense... does that make sense?

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Friday, September 01, 2006 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
This thread has been so interesting to me ... day 6 of my 7 day cleanse & all is good. I'm curious Dahli, your so knowledgeable ... how did you get interested in this subject??

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Friday, September 01, 2006 - 6:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
Hey Vacanick! How is it going with your cleanse? Which one is it?

Long story long... :-) back in the sixties my dad used to feed us liver for breakfast... he read Adelle Davis and started to make the connection between health and food.

I was engaged for a while to a doctor who told me they had less than 4 hours of training on nutrition and I understood they were very well trained in symptom management but not all that 'smart' when it came to prevention and health.

When my daughter was born in 77 I was lucky enough to have a GP who was Seventh Day Adventist, (unknown to me at the time), he had no patients in hospital prescribed only when absolutely necessary and really focused on prevention. I was able to avoid many childhood illnesses and problems with her because of his wisdom and guidance and what I fed her. He got my grams off her death bed, took her off 14 different drugs that summer with all kinds of side effects and fungus growing in her lungs and by fall she was digging her own potatoes and cleaning her attic!

When perimenopause hit in 1997 I thought this can't be right and began looking at why we suffer so much in our culture with things that should be natural.

In 2001 actually it struck me that nutrition and prevention were very important subjects to me and I enrolled in a training course to become a RHNP and I began studying.

In 05 when my DH was diagnosed with terminal cancer and my dad with parkinson's I got really busy.

It's incredible how much control and power we give away regarding our own health, and I"m on a mission with my family and friends to help them get it back.

TMI??

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Friday, September 01, 2006 - 7:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
Eeyore, here's one of my favourite articles that outlines really simply an optimal eating plan for good health. I tweak it but try to stick to it at least 5 days out of 7, (the weekends are a bit looser) as it really is easy and yummy.


Whole Grains

The whole grains food group includes brown rice, millet, oats, corn, buckwheat, rye, wheat, and alternative grains such as quinoa, spelt and kamut. About half of the grains you eat should be whole grain as opposed to flour, pasta, etc. People often choose brown rice or millet to eat as unprocessed whole grain because of their taste and ease of cooking. The other half of grains should be eaten as breakfast cereal, such as rolled oats, Ogi (a breakfast cereal made from millet), hot cereal mixtures, sprouted grains (such as Essene bread), or flour products. Grains possess enzyme inhibitors that prevent them from sprouting prematurely. These enzyme inhibitors also make grains difficult to digest for many people. This problem can be overcome by first soaking or sprouting your grains and by grinding your own flour if at all possible

Vegetables should form the next third of your diet. You should try to eat vegetables at least twice a day; in fact, many people find a hot vegetable soup in the morning very satisfying. Among vegetables, there are three types and three ways to prepare them. Try to eat at least some of each type of vegetable, prepared in each of the ways, every day.

3 types of vegetables:

Root vegetables
carrots, beets, parsnips, rutabaga, tubers such as sweet potato, onion, and any other root vegetables

Leaf & stem vegetables
lettuce, greens such as collards and kale, celery, cabbage, broccoli, and many others

“Fruit” vegetables
zucchini, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, winter squashes, and any other vegetable that emerges from the flower of the plant

3 ways to prepare vegetables:

Cooking – steaming, stir-frying (use butter, ghee or olive oil for stir-frying vegetables), baking, clay pot cooking , and blanching (a very healthful technique for cooking vegetables; blanching is done by dipping the vegetables briefly in rapidly boiling water, then straining and rinsing in cold water. Just before eating, sauté in butter, olive oil or even wine until done).

Raw – salad vegetables, carrot sticks, and celery. Raw vegetables can also be blended into soups, sprinkled on other foods, etc. Raw foods provide enzymes that are lost through cooking so include a varied repertoire of raw vegetables in your diet.

Fermented – surprisingly, lacto-fermented vegetables, prepared by allowing vegetables to ferment in a slightly salty brine, is actually the most healthful way to eat vegetables.


Studies repeatedly have shown that the daily consumption of lacto-fermented vegetables aids in digestion, relieves constipation, helps re-establish and maintain a beneficial intestinal flora and aids the immune system. A recent study in the medical journal The Lancet demonstrated that the daily consumption of fermented vegetables was associated with a decrease in allergies and infections in children. Lacto-fermented vegetables should be a part of everyone’s diet, and include sauerkraut, pickles, pickled daikon, kimchee and many other wonderful choices. Numerous recipes are found in Nourishing Traditions, or you can buy them at many health food stores. When purchasing lacto-fermented vegetables, make sure they are raw, lacto-fermented vegetables that have never been heated or canned.

Animal Foods

Although few people have difficulty accepting the beneficial properties of grains and vegetables, many question the wisdom of the consumption of animal products, such as butter and raw milk. It is important for everyone to include some animal products in their diet. Animal foods provide certain nutrients, such as vitamin B-12, cholesterol (necessary for hormone production and cellular repair), vitamin D (needed for calcium absorption) and fat-soluble vitamins, which are best absorbed when eaten in animal fat. Certainly, temporary periods without animal products can be cleansing, but all of the healthiest cultures ever studied included a liberal amount of animal products in their diets.

As with vegetables, there are three ways of eating animal products, and again it is wise to include something from each category in your daily diet. Also, it is especially important to choose organically grown animal products raised under the best conditions possible, prepared with minimal processing. This includes avoiding techniques that remove the fat, such as in skim milk or low-fat dairy products. The fat contains the necessary nutrients for absorption and utilization of the nutrients, including the protein and minerals. Do not make the mistake of eating low-fat animal products!

The three ways of preparing animal products are:

Raw – While it is foreign to most Americans to think of eating raw animal products, in fact, raw animal foods are the richest sources of the valuable food enzymes so important to our health. The best source of raw animal foods is dairy products. Especially beneficial is raw milk (especially for children), kefir (made from raw milk) and raw-milk cheese and butter. Fish can be eaten raw in various sushi dishes, and raw meat dishes (e.g. steak tartare and kibbeh) are the national foods of many cultures. Please consult the guidelines in Nourishing Traditions for advice on the best and safest way to prepare raw animal food dishes.

Cooked – This is the usual way of preparing animal foods, with a variety of cooking options. The only caveat I would add here is that, traditionally, the organ meats were the most prized part of the animal and considered the healthiest. Animal meat, whether beef, lamb, pork or poultry, does not need to be eaten in great quantities but rather should be alternated with eggs, organ meats and various dairy products.

Soup broth – In healthy, traditional cultures, when an animal was slaughtered, all the parts were put to use, including the bones, and to make mineral-rich broth. Our modern diet, having largely forgotten the use of broth as the basis of our cooking, is estimated to have less than half the mineral content of more traditional diets. This rich mineral content and the fact that soup broths greatly aid digestion are just two of the many reasons why everyone should make soup broth a part of their daily diet.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, September 01, 2006 - 9:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
This is scary. I ate all good food today, and STILL haven't been to the office yet!! I'm VERY freaked out!! The transit time went from 8 hours to not at all!! LOL

Is that normal coming off a cleanse? Did I 'clean out' so many of my colon ridges that all future food is being stuffed back into the nooks and crannies?

Shadoe
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11-04-2004

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 2:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shadoe a private message Print Post    
I have a cleanse question:
What if the quizes you can do say you may not need to do any cleanse?
I did one and scored 1 out of 16; I am already eating this crappy good food and love love my oatmeal at least once or twice a day, am very regular as in at least twice a day, so maybe I don't need this cleanse?
What do you think?

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Depends what you are cleansing for. There are many of them. Some are colon cleanses (which is what most beginners should do), then there are liver and kidney cleanses, heavy metal cleanses (complete with Megadeath CD), and blood cleanses.

From what I understand, the Master's Cleanse starts out as a colon cleanse, and the longer you stay one it, the further it goes in cleaning the blood and repairing bodily injuries. They say you should do a minimum of 10 days on it, and the longest I've seen is 60 days. They say your old injuries from 10 yrs ago begin to hurt again, as the body starts eating away at unnecessary scar tissue and stuff like that. But the Master's cleanse is DEFINITELY for the true MASTERS of cleansing. It is very hard. The only thing you are ingesting for weeks is lemon juice, organic grade b maple syrup, and cayenne pepper in water. An herbal laxative tea at night, and a sea salt water flush in the morning.

Dahli could probably talk more about the MC experience, as she's completed it more than once or twice.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
Wow that's amazing that your body can do that Eeyore! Mine was a simple 7 day colon cleanse. I was trying to jump start my metabolism because it has slowed down so much. I don't even know if it will help but we'll see.

Dahli, your experience and knowledge is so interesting! Thank you so much for sharing with all of us.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 11:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
Eeyore, was there instructions on how to come off this? Often there is a transition but this seemed to be not all that extreme.

Extra magnesium or 1000 mg Vit C every hour to bowel tolerance can get things moving FAST... if you want a quick fix. Walking, water and random held squats :-) are helpful as well.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Funny we're talking about cleanses: there's an article on the Master's cleanse in Maclean's magazine this week, on page 73. However, it is fluffy; it talks about how Beyonce lost 22 lbs on it, Howard Stern's co-host lost 77 pounds on it, and Rachael MacAdams used it to lose weight on it. Then it compares the results to "placebo effect" citing mind over matter, and likens it to the trendiness of the Atkins diet.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 3:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dahli a private message Print Post    
It's not a weight loss diet... sheesh is that ever annoying. It's just what you said above but why confuse the issue with facts, eh? :-) Macleans tsk tsk...