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Sunrvrose
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08-13-2001

Friday, September 15, 2006 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunrvrose a private message Print Post    
Dolphinschild, the concert was so good that it is indescribable. Bo was so full of energy, he rocked the house over and over. The crowd, from 8 to 80 was on their feet a lot of the show.

He will be in Redding on 10/24. That is the only time he will be close again for a long time.

I'll send you a pm and tell you more...there is a lot to tell.

Thanks everyone for the nice words about Toby.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Friday, September 15, 2006 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
Oh look at those eyes!! Love all these pics!

Retired
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07-11-2001

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Retired a private message Print Post    
Awwww. Toby and his littermates are gorgeous!!! How could you NOT fall in love?

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yankee_in_ca a private message Print Post    
So unbelievably cute!

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 6:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
What a baby doll!! No wonder you had to have him Sunrvrose

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Also I need some help please. Charlie is giving little love nips. They hurt and he gives them to Lucy, DH, visitors etc. The nips are usually so unexpected that I scream and he runs off. We were wondering how come Lucy has started growling and jumping on him...but I saw him nip her today. This is just a recent thing. He is a horrible tease and this is probably a new exciting game but I don't like it. Any ideas? Other than hitting him...I don't allow anyone to slap him.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 7:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yankee_in_ca a private message Print Post    
How old is Charlie again?

And are you talking about sharp bites, or mouthing (putting the mouth around someone's hand, etc.)?

And when are they happening -- anytime, playtime, in anger, etc.?

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 9:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Charlie is 8 months old now..he's a little black pug. He pinches with his front teeth...his face is very flat. It's in play and when he's wrestling with Lucy. He is more like a cat, rubs against your legs and nestles his face against you. He is a real tease. Like when DH reads the paper he tries to grab a section and then runs. If you ignore him he brings it back. If I drop something he will grab it and run just so I will chase him. I think this is a variation of teasing and getting our attention but it is very annoying.

Sunrvrose
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08-13-2001

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 9:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunrvrose a private message Print Post    
Supergranny, I wouldn't let anyone slap him either, however, a tap on the nose/mouth area should be ok. Any time he nips a human, have them make a big deal out of saying OUCH, THAT HURT, and tap his mouth. Then ignore him for a bit. If you see him nip Lucy, Say NO, THAT HURTS, tap his mouth, and remove him from the room and isolate him.

Carlie will soon learn that a nip means people get mad and means no attention. That should solve the problem.

Lenzyjo
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09-04-2006

Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 9:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lenzyjo a private message Print Post    
Supergranny--- Your Dog Lucy sounds like she is exersizing her dominance with the new dog. She is probably teaching the new dog the rules...no bitting me !

I never hit my dogs....I read many, many books about dogs and dog training over the years. The best thing I ever did was to watch a video with wolves and how the pack leader interacts with the less dominant wolves. How the pack leader enforces the rules ect.....Dogs do not hit other dogs ...that is not something they understand.

At 8 months old she is only a baby. Her molars also start erupting at this age which is painful. Sounds to me like she is getting alot of attention from nipping you and visitors ( cute now, not in a year from now). You really should be consistant with this problem. Watch how your older dog deals with this... she puts a stop to it. That is what you have to do.

You can only teach her at the very moment she bites you. Remember it is if you are speaking in a foreign language to her. She does not know the words No Bite yet, so you have to say "No Bite" at the very moment she does it.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 9:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yankee_in_ca a private message Print Post    
I know this is for JRTs, but here's a site with some advice. Click on Nipping/Biting -- the information in that section should apply to any and all breeds, not just JRTs.

http://www.terrier.com/wwwboard/forum.php3

For Finnegan, when he was a pup he did bite when he was playing. I think it's normal. When he was young, what we did was do a really high-pitched "ouch!" -- the theory is that it simulates the squeal that dogs give when they've been hurt -- and it WORKED! Every time we squealed "ouch" he stopped. To this day.

If he was being particularly rambunctious, we'd hold his mouth closed and say No Bite -- but as Lenzyjo said, all of these corrections have to be at the very moment Charlie does it, or else he won't "get" that that's what you're correcting him for.

Oh, and just a little note, but ... if you get in the habit of chasing HIM in play when he gets a toy or something, it could be dangerous.

For instance, if your dog likes to be chased, you might have a horrible time getting him to "come" to you when you most need it -- say, if he accidentally gets loose outside, grabs a stick and starts running from you wanting to be chased -- and is nearing the road or something. He might run FROM you -- which is the last thing you want in that situation.

So if you can, try to not chase your dog. If you want to play chase with him, when he's being playful, try to get him to always chase YOU. I found that worked with Finnegan, and it helped whenever I needed him to "come" to me out in the off-leash park. I'd do my little "come chase ME" dance and he'd run right to me.

Hope this helps somewhat.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 4:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Here's Charlie
Thanks for all the tips, we are trying them out and here is a picture of Charlie thinking about his new rules!

Sunrvrose
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08-13-2001

Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 10:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunrvrose a private message Print Post    
Well Supergranny, he is obviously a dignified young fellow, I am cerain he will catch on very quickly.

The loud "OUCH" is usually effective. I know it works with my cats. They like to Kneed me, and my Baily Sweet Pea likes to give love bites. A single Ouch usually does the trick when they get too rough.

Secretsmile
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08-19-2002

Monday, September 18, 2006 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Secretsmile a private message Print Post    
Adding my support of the advice Yankee gave you. Riley often nipped while playing when he was younger and even now he'll get reckless when he's really wound up. We yell OUCH and then turn our back on him. Nothing is worse than for the play to stop and to be ignored, he's all sorry faced and trying to kiss us.

As far as him nipping Lucy though, I think he needs to learn from her what the limits are. In my own experience, animals take care of that sort of thing between themselves. She'll put him in his place.

Sunrvrose
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08-13-2001

Monday, September 18, 2006 - 9:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunrvrose a private message Print Post    
Ok, fellow furbaby lovers, here is what I hope is the final installment in the Pit Bull saga.

We all went to court today. As I said above, the owner of the pits had appealed.

The new judge listened to the appealant, then the county council presented the County's case.

The complaints and the reports of attacks by the pits went back much farther than I knew. And I learned that the horse whose face/head had been mutalited by the pits in april had to be put down. I didn't know that before, for some reason I thought it had survived.

The judge said that the law required a preponderance of evidence to support the original decision. She said that in this case, the evidence was simply overwhelming.

She reaffirmed the decision at the original hearing. The two pits who killed my dogs will be destroyed and the owner will not be allowed to own, control, or even dog-sit any dogs for 2 years.

There is no joy in this for me. It breaks my heart. But she had already gotten one or two new pits and had a litter of pits. They obviously were planning on a breeding/fighting operation.

This will put a stop to that. Unfortunately, because of the appeal, they now have 30 more days to get rid of all their dogs.

The judge ordered the immediate destruction of the pits that were already in custody of AC, and as far as I know, this was carried out earlier this evening.

No one left that courtroom today with any sense of victory. Two dogs had to die, and the only person responsible, their owner, refused to accept any responsibility whatsoever.

I will continue to be vigilant until I know that all of the pits, and the german shepherd (who was eyewitnessed to be involved in the horse attack) are gone.

Thank you again for all of your support. This is a sad day for all of us who just love furbabies.

(please excuse my legal term misspellings, I really didn't want to look them all up.)

Saxywildcat
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05-30-2005

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saxywildcat a private message Print Post    
*HUGZ* to you Sun. I am glad that those people are not allowed to have animals for 2 years. I wish it was FOREVER. What is to stop them from getting more pit bulls two years down the road?

Anywho, It is sad that 2 dogs had to die. Stupid owners for training them to be that way!! GRRRR

I am glad that that stuff is over now, though.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yankee_in_ca a private message Print Post    
Agree with what Saxy said.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 9:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
I'm glad the court is over now and you don't have to face that. I guess I do not understand the fascination with the pit bulls for some people. I just got thru reading The Dogs Who Found Me by Ken Foster. He writes about several pit bull rescues along with other mixed breeds. The book was good but I still don't see why someone would want to have a time bomb like that in their home.

Sunrvrose
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08-13-2001

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 10:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunrvrose a private message Print Post    
The reason this makes me so sad is that I know that some pit bulls are docile and loving pets.

I rented a house once on a property where a pit bull had been dumped. The first time I saw him, I ran into my house, terrified. He had a huge head and chest, a typical brindle pit bull.

I realized in a very few days that this dog was much more afraid of me, than I was of him.

Then, being the furbaby lover that I am, I decided to make him into a pet. I set out food, I talked to him, and after weeks, I finally got him to come into the house.

That animal was so gentle, so fearful, so wonderful.

Then the owner of the property was forced to apply for custody of his grandchild. Social Services came out to do a home assessment. They saw the Pit, whom I had named Bear, and they said that they would not allow the grandpa to have the child, unless the pit was gone.

So a gentle and loving animal was taken away by animal control, and most likely destroyed, based on nothing but his breed.

I'm sure that is a huge part of the regret that I feel about the death sentence on these pit bulls

As I mentioned before, once AC had the pits in custody, they craved attention. They were stuck there from 7/24 until yesterday. George and the rest of the AC staff really came to like the dogs, the dogs loved humans and craved attention.
Yet, even in the shelter, the two pits had to be kept separated, and they would go totally crazy anytime any dog was even walked in front of their kennels, lunging toward the gate, trying to get the animal that was walking past.

I do not believe that any breed is born evil. The people who owned these dogs trained them to be evil.

Retired
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07-11-2001

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 5:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Retired a private message Print Post    
Sun, I agree. I'm glad court is over and that you have Toby.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I believe that some breeds, more than others have a tendancy to turn vicious with no provocation.

Read this story below:
http://www.appeal-democrat.com

Dog attacks Yuba girl
By John Dickey/Appeal-Democrat

Robert Bijold has heard plenty of news stories about pit bull attacks.

But this weekend, Bijold suddenly found himself fighting a 60-pound pit bull-boxer mix that had his 3-year-old daughter, Jessie, in its jaws.

“It was the most horrifying thing a parent can go through,” said Bijold.

The Bijolds were at a family get-together Saturday evening on Park Avenue in Yuba City when the dog, which belongs to a relative, attacked Jessie in the backyard. Other children were playing with it only minutes before.

Bijold was horrified when he saw the dog grab Jessie's head and shake the little girl.

“All I saw was her feet in the air,” said Bijold.

Bijold ran as fast as he could and grabbed the dog. His father-in-law Ralph Mueller shielded the little girl from the dog, while Margaret Mueller, his mother-in-law, whisked the child inside the house. Jessie's uncle, Sam Miller, helped subdue the dog.

Bijold said the dog did not bite anyone else. But to the family's horror, it kept trying to get at Jessie, ignoring the other people. He had no idea what provoked the dog.

“The fact that it was going around my father, trying to get at her - it's sickening,” said Rachel Bijold, Jessie's mother.

Jessie was taken to Rideout Memorial Hospital, where she spent four hours, receiving 40 to 50 stitches.

The healing has gone well, doctors said. The swelling has gone down in her face, and Jessie's spirit has come back. But she suffers from nightmares. The Bijolds are thankful their child is alive and didn't lose an eye.

But Robert Bijold said he was troubled by one thing his daughter told him: she said she didn't want to look “weird.”

“It tore my heart out,” he said.

The Bijolds, of Olivehurst, were shocked to learn that the dog might not be destroyed. It is in 12-day quarantine and can be released if it does not have signs of disease, Robert Bijold said.

State law allows three attacks before a dog is euthanized. Saturday's incident was the first. The couple who own the dog are split over whether to destroy the animal, said Robert Bijold.

One of the owners spoke with the Appeal-Democrat but declined comment.

Sunrvrose
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08-13-2001

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunrvrose a private message Print Post    
Escapee, that child attack, and the attack on the older woman, within a couple of weeks, by totally different breeds, really tells the story.

The owner of the rot/mixs (3 of them) who attacked the older woman gave up her dogs, immediately, to be euthanised. Good on her.

Regarding the attack on the 3-year old, it is not true that 3 attacks are required. It only takes one human, especially a child, attack. Trust me, those dogs are history.

And the second to last paragraph in your post, tells all you need to know about "owners".

If I owned a dog that savagly attacked anything, the dog would be put down. That's It. One time is all it takes.

Owners like the owners of the dogs who killed my dogs, who say, oh, my dogs arent vicious, they wouldn't hurt a fly, in the face of horrible evidence, and who are not willing or are not able to confine their dogs, are the real evil in the circumstances. (that has to be the longest run-on sentence I've ever done)

The owner of the dogs in my case was sobbing before the judge, asking why her Shepherd has to be taken away from her. She begged the court to go ahead and order the "killing" of the pits they had in custody. But to deny the order that she may not own ANY dogs for 2 years.

She didn't bother to tell the court that she has at least one or two other pits, plus a litter of pit puppies. I am quite sure that it is that "cash crop" of pits that she wanted to be able to keep.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 8:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
{{{{{Sun}}}}}} I'm glad it's over, but those owners just make my skin crawl.

Saxywildcat
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05-30-2005

Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saxywildcat a private message Print Post    
Sun, I know you feel guilty about those pits being put down, but do you think their owners feel guilty about the losses you had? I doubt it. I know it is in your kind nature to feel this way, but you can't let that get you down. It is sad that these animals have to die for how they were raised and trained by their owners, but they will die in a much more humane way than your beloved parted ones. *HUGZ*

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, September 22, 2006 - 5:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I noticed this morning when I took the dogs outside that Angel's tinkling blood. I did some googling and didn't like what I read. I was thinking on my drive to work, I wonder if dogs can drink cranberry juice? I'll be calling the vet this morning and hope I can take him in tomorrow. He is way past due on his appts and shots which is totally my fault.

Oh he's still acting the same though, eating and drinking and playing...