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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 8:17 pm
Oh yeah.. forgot to add: The first time I saw them in the pet store I asked the clerk if that's what they were since I had heard about them in "pug chat" here.. LOL Anyway, she was telling me this woman picked one up and stuck it down the back of her shirt and asked if it was a "back scratcher." She said she didn't have the heart to tell her what it was. LOL
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 8:21 pm
That would be some back scratcher! Makes "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" take on a whole new meaning!
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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 8:25 pm
Ewwwwwwwwwww! Watching, next time I go in a pet store I have got to look for them. BUT, you guys, I stopped letting Herc have pig ears cuz they did bad things to his tummy and his 'leavings.' That was pork, of course, but I don't feed Herc beef anymore either, just chicken and lamb. I do buy Herc Lamb Sticks occasionally. Don't tell me that is what these things are, as well.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 8:26 pm
Herckie had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb....
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 8:34 pm
Sun is a coward, so If mamie says I shouldn't go there, I'm not going. Charlie, in the last 24 hours, has become the ultimate lap dog. As in, he keeps jumping into my lap and scratching the heck out of my legs, I'm wearing shorts. Charlie needs a manicure. Now, I wonder if I'll wake up to pee, or pee and poop or nothing...in my bed, 'cause, of course, baby puppy has to sleep on my bed, where else would she sleep? Baby puppy has gone behind my recliner and hasn't come out for about 3 hours. OH, BIG NEWS....my family finally called. They were just devistated by the news. Wanted to know if I needed them to rush home. I said no. Seems kinda pointless now. I told my grandson that I have the 2 dogs, and that Baby puppy won't be named until he comes home to name her. They should be home in a week. Hercle, thanks for the suggestion that I will definately use. The new dog fence will have a top. The latest update on BJ is that I have a pretty good idea where his body is, due to turkey vultures and buzzards, circling a certain area. That area is so dense with berry bushes and trees, and undergrowth, there is no way anyone can get in there. Poor baby must have run in there, perhaps after he was mortally injured. (I know, crying, again.) Sorry. I hate to sound like a broken record, but the love and prayers and compassion that you all have shown to me has been beyond belief. I just don't know what I would have done without you all.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 8:42 pm
Here in Oregon, people are finally fed up with their pets being killed and the courts are starting to stand beside them.
quote: Cat owner seeks $1.4 million in pet death An elderly Portland woman is suing her neighbor for $1.4 million dollars for the death of her cat. Attorney John Dumas filed the lawsuit this week on behalf of his mother, Janet Dumas. She claims that two dogs owned by her neighbor killed her cat, Clyde. It's at least the second big lawsuit in an animal death in the Portland area this year. Last May, a Clackamas County jury ruled that an Estacada man must pay his neighbors more than $56,000 for intentionally running over their dog. The damages were far less than the $1.3 million sought by the dog's owners -- but still among the highest awarded in Oregon in a case involving a family pet.
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 8:45 pm
oh what a nice thing to let your grandson name the baby dog.. Im glad you got to speak with your family. Im glad to hear that charlie is warming up to your LAP, thats fun... I hope tomorrow goes allright...thinking of you.
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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 8:51 pm
That's the only way. Hit em in the pocketbook. That's what the City Council (working jointly with the Humane Society) did in Wilmington. No new pit bulls were allowed in city limits and all pit bulls had to be registered thru a special extra process--where pix were taken of the dog. (Dunno how that worked out with actually confirming the identity of a dog.) The owners had to renew that registration each and every year. All owners had to have homeowner's insurance. (That was a smart regulation because it prevented people less-invested in the community's well-being from moving to the city, wreaking havoc, and then changing residences.) No pit was permitted to use city parks. And all pits had to be on a leash. Any dog deemed violent (all breeds) were given 2 chances and then would be put to sleep, depending upon the severity of the attack.
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 9:08 pm
Max, first thing in the morning, my fingers are gonna be walkin. I wonder if there is a lawyer in this county who would take a case like this, I am going to find out. I have never sued, or really seriously thought of suing anyone in my life, now I am set on suing the crap out of these people. Yesterday, when George had my dead dogs in his truck, he went over and made the owner of the pit bulls, come and look at my dead dogs. The a-hole, said, "Why should I look at those dogs?" George said to him, "If you can look at what your dogs did to these dogs, and you don't feel sick, then you need to go to jail." I heard that convo while I was sitting in the Deputy's car, waiting to ID the dogs. I'm probably repeating myself, but the pit bull owner refused to allow the deputy or George, AC, on his property without a warrant. The goal tomorrow is that that do go back with a warrant.
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 9:21 pm
Oops, should have read, "The goal tomorrow is to go back with a warrant." That was very strange.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 9:29 pm
Sun, after the case quite a few years back in San Francisco where the dogs killed a neighbor in an apartment building, I would think there would be more and more of these suits in California. Those dog owners had purchased dogs who had been bred expressly to be fighting dogs. It got a lot of press because at least one of the owners was an attorney and they had some weird ties to some inmates at Pelican Bay, who apparently gave them the name of the person from whom they purchased the dogs. Of course, those dogs killed a person, but your neighbor's dogs will do that soon enough if given the chance. Do call around. Maybe check with the local SPCA to ask about "pet-friendly" lawyers or something. There has been quite a bit of press around here lately about how pet owners are getting compensated for such things because the laws are finally starting to realize that our pets are part of our family, not just objects we own. I hope the police come back with a warrant and in addition to the dangerous dogs find all kinds of weapons and other violations in the home and cart the owners AND the dogs away. I feel bad for the dogs because it's really not their fault. Pit bulls can be very loving dogs if they are raised correctly, but they can be seriously mean if they are mistreated or if idiotic owners think it's cool to train them to be fighters. Such a shame. Anyway, I bet those owners violate lots of other rules and regulations that they don't think are important, too. People never cease to shock the shit outta me, as Julia Roberts said in 'Pretty Woman.' Let us know what happens next. Obviously while we are all sending positive thoughts in your direction, we are not so positive in our thoughts towards your neighbors!
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 10:06 pm
Max, I am quite familiar with that case. And actually, I was shocked at the verdict of guilty. As you probably know, the verdict was overturned. The Pelican Bay connection never worked for me, I'm sure that there was something there, but it didn't make sense. That a woman is dead, and that one or both of those dogs killed her is without dispute. Both dogs, in this case, in the interest of public safety, had to be destroyed. There is such a different handling of the injuring or killing of a human vs the killing of a domestic pet. It probably makes sense to the lawmakers, but it sure doesn't make sense to someone like me who comes home and finds dearly loved family members murdered in my front yard. I probably said this upthread, but I was so in shock that I called 911, I said, "This is not a life and death emergency unless you count dead dogs, but I am not capable of looking up the non-emergency number." (I was crying so hard that I literally couldn't see) The really cool thing is that they took the call. Thanks to the angels here, I have a good understanding of the law, how strange, it is the food and agriculture law, that clearly illustrates that attacks upon domestic animals (I think they had cows and horses in mind) can be prosecuted nearly as vigorously as attacks on humans.
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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 10:57 pm
You know, Sun, I would be suspicious of them using the dogs in pit bull fights. I wonder if that is why they have so many and keep replacing them. Course it could be just their mentality--remembering what you quoted the 7-year-old as saying. Defining themselves by their dogs' viciousness. I remember that case well, too. Didn't recall it had been overturned, though. Unfortunate in my mind. It WAS a strange relationship these lawyers had with the inmates. Can you refresh my memory about why it was overturned?
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 11:19 pm
Hercle, that is just exactly what they had planned, we learned that they had brought in a new male to breed more pits. No doubt that they planned them for fighting. Let me go and do some research on the San Fran case. Prob won't get back till tomorrow. I watched the case on Court TV and the link with the Pelican Bay inmates was very random and confusing.
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 11:34 pm
Justice mauled - Courts - manslaughter verdicts in San Francisco, California, dog mauling case overturned - Brief Article Advocate, The, July 23, 2002 by Dan Allen Superior court judge James Warren stunned court observers June 17 by overturning the second-degree murder conviction of Marjorie Knoller during the sentencing phase of the infamous San Francisco dog-mauling trial. Knoller and husband Robert Noel owned two presa canario dogs that fatally attacked their neighbor Diane Whipple in January 2001. In March Knoller and Noel were each found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Knoller, who was present during the attack, was also convicted of second-degree murder. Warren, who during the trial denied a defense motion to dismiss the murder charge, suddenly voided the jury's decision, apparently because it was not proved that Knoller knew the dogs would kill Whipple. Warren handed Noel the maximum four-year prison term while postponing Knoller's sentencing to allow prosecutors time to respond. "We're going to continue the fight," San Francisco deputy district attorney James Hammer told The Advocate. "But the big issue here is not the legal issue, it's [Whipple's surviving partner] Sharon Smith. She suffered so much through the first trial that to live through this again, especially having seen the judge take this away from her, I'm just not sure." Then the conviction was reinstated: Judge Reinstates Murder Conviction for Lawyer in Mauling Case A state appeals court today reinstated a second-degree murder conviction against a San Francisco lawyer whose dogs mauled a neighbor to death in 2001. The First District Court of Appeals said Superior Court Judge James Warren erred when he reduced Marjorie Knoller's conviction to manslaughter. Knoller now faces the possibility of even more prison time. Warren will now have to review the decision. Knoller and her husband, Robert Noel, were the caretakers of two Presa Canario dogs who mauled 33-year-old Diane Whipple to death in January 2001. Whipple lived in the same San Francisco apartment building as the couple. According to evidence presented in the trial, Knoller failed to intervene as Whipple was attacked and fatally injured by two large dogs. Knoller and Noel were both convicted of manslaughter, and Knoller was also convicted of second degree murder. She was present during the mauling, but Noel was not. Warren overturned the murder conviction saying Knoller was no more guilty than Noel. The appeals court today overturned that decision, saying the only standard Warren should have considered was whether Knoller knew the dogs were dangerous. The court unanimously upheld Noel's manslaughter conviction. He has been paroled after serving his sentence.
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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 11:50 pm
Thanks, Sunv. So it was upheld--and he served his time. Yay on that. Now go to bed with your pups, hon.
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Monday, July 10, 2006 - 12:22 am
Herckle, oddly, I slept a lot on Friday and Saturday, but tonight, sleep seems out of the question I want a new name for charlie. That name just doesn't fit him. His little face looks like a baby seal. If I had to rethink about what he looks like, instead of a 7 lb. cocker spaniel, I'd say, more like a 7 lb Great Pyrenies (I know, misspelled) I want a good strong name, but a name that refletcs his totally baby seal face. That should be a real challenge. It sure is for me.
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Monday, July 10, 2006 - 1:07 am
One of my favorite dog names - was of one of my first dogs, when I was in my teen thru 20s yrs, I named him Rontu after the dog in The Island of The Blue Dolphins...and then of course, Rontu a roo.... I cant sleep eather...
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, July 10, 2006 - 2:55 am
Sun, I am happy to hear Charlie is settling in, I am sure puppy will feel right at home soon. (((Sun)))
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Dlmmo
Member
11-20-2003
| Monday, July 10, 2006 - 3:37 am
Sunrv it is so good to hear you sound so much stronger. Maybe you are moving quickly through the stages of grief. I am moving (if my assumptions are correct) with you from the puddle of emotions to really, really MAD. I am so glad that you heard from your family and felt strong enough not to need them to come home right away. Keep doing what you are and GET THEM. Sorry the anger is coming out now, lol. I will keep thinking of a name that seems to fit Charlie better. I have to go work now, but will check in later.
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Retired
Member
07-11-2001
| Monday, July 10, 2006 - 4:26 am
Sun, glad to hear you're doing better. Congrats on the new puppy! Maybe your grandson can come up with another name for Charlie.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Monday, July 10, 2006 - 4:49 am
Thinking of you, Sun. 
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Cdbga
Member
10-04-2004
| Monday, July 10, 2006 - 5:06 am
Sun, I am so glad to hear how much better you are doing (and so sorry to hear about poor BJ). It is so great that you were able to get the 2 new dogs to help you through this. There is a lot to be said about the power of the unconditional love you get from a pet. I'm glad to hear that Charlie is warming up to you. Good luck on picking out a new name. If you want something seal-related, perhaps you could do some research on seals and see if there is a particular species or something that has a cool name that you could use (or use a variation on). The National Marine Mammal Laboratory website has tons of seal info, so that might be a good place to look if you like that idea. I dropped Whitney off at the vet today. She's having her teeth cleaned, among other things. Since she has to be put under for the teeth cleaning, we are going ahead and taking care of some of the other tests she'd have to be put under for. She's getting her EKG (which is just too funny...my mom was a cardiac techinician and used to do EKGs, I think she'd get a kick out of the fact that they do them for dogs...she'd have probably tried to talk me into sneaking Whit into her lab at the hospital so that she could do it! I really miss my mom sometimes...I mean, I always wish she was still with us, just sometimes it is so much more present in my mind. It is hard to believe that it has been 15 years, yet sometimes it seems like so much longer. Okay, this is making me sad and is SO not dog-related) a urinalysis, and possibly...and I only mention it because it has been a hot topic here recently...her anal glands expressed. They asked if I wanted it done and I said to do it if she needs it. I don't think she does...but why take chances! Anyhoo, I thought the antihistamines she was taking had done the trick, but last night she was up most of the night again itching. She got her first bath with the allergy shampoo yesterday, so I'm wondering if that might have been too strong for her. It is possible I should have diluted it more (the dilution is optional). Would be ironic if she was allergic to the allergy shampoo (at least I think that would be ironic...I am sometimes wrong about what constitutes irony). I hate seeing her so miserable and feeling so helpless to do anything.
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Christiii
Member
07-07-2005
| Monday, July 10, 2006 - 5:59 am
oh Sun!!! a mini great Pyrenees!! A puppy outta my own heart!! wow!! I named my rescue Pyr Beaumount, which means Beautiful Mountain in french, a cool but strong name...you are welcome to use it!! I just call him Beau for short....I also love Bailey for a boy, and of course my Pyr that passed from bone cancer was named Gabriel, because he ws my angel..which sounds like Charlie is yours as well!! Anything you choose will be awesome, and being a Great Pyrenees girl, just lemme know if you need more Pyr names!!
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Regee
Member
10-09-2005
| Monday, July 10, 2006 - 6:25 am
Morning SUn, and new babies I am so glad to hear about everything, so how did the new baby do last night. I am also so happy to hear about the AC guy keeping on top of this. I would still go to the paper's and the TV as this will get the point across. Here in Omaha you can't have Pits at all and if you do you can't get homeowner's insurance until they get rid of the dog(s). Wish I had also know about your family vacationing in CO, as my brother who lives in Colorado Springs has been in Law Enforcement for over 25 years could of found your family. Can't wait I am leaving to go there next Monday for about 2 weeks, Love that area. Love, hug's, and kisses to all of you. Reg'ee
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