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Landi
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07-29-2002

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 1:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
as a parent of a child with ADHD, Desoxyn is NOT an over the counter medication. it must be prescribed with a 3 part DEA form, physicians are RARE to prescribe this as Ritalin, Concerta and Strattera are less addictive. Desoxyn must be used in a medically controlled environment, and is recommended only for the morbidly obese. what you are talking about is CLINICAL methamphetamine, not chrystal meth, which is a street drug. two totally different qualities.

Mocha
Member

08-12-2001

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Thx for sharing Tiger.

Tigerfan
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11-06-2003

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tigerfan a private message Print Post    
Thank you Herckle and Mocha, I am very proud of the fact that I've overcome it and I have no desire to go back down that road. My life couldn't be better now

Landi
Member

07-29-2002

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 1:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
also, children are NOT prescribed these drugs at this young age for ADHD.

secondly, Ritalin is in the bloodstream of my daughter within 1/2 an hour. we've timed them over the years.

and your professor is starting to sound like timothy leary.


Mayajnn
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01-27-2006

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 2:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mayajnn a private message Print Post    
Well put, Tigerfan.

Imbewitched
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03-08-2002

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 2:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Imbewitched a private message Print Post    
Ditto and Amen, Tigerfan!

Wargod
Moderator

07-16-2001

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 2:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Thank you Tiger. I've been doing my chores for awhile mulling over how to put into words what I've seen with meth use and a family member and nothing I could say would come close to what you said. It is a frightening drug and horrible to watch someone destroying their life and losing everything they cared about and knowing theres nothing you can do or say to stop it.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Tiger, thanks for sharing. You should be so proud of yourself!

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 2:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
Thank you Tigerfan and congratulations! The road you've traveled is tough and I can only imagine how difficult it was for you to get back on track!

I also have a family member currently using.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 2:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Herckleperckle a private message Print Post    
The argument against criminalizing drugs has been around for a long time, and it makes sense in that it would take it out of a black market situation and become a part of the economy, just like liquor. Besides the moral turpitude angle, the argument against legalizing drugs has always been the safety factor--how to assure the safety of non-using citizens.

Anyone around my age has probably read Stranger in a Strange Land, the 1961 sci fi novel where citizens could legally check into special places with rooms where they could take their drug of choice--completely under supervision. You could legally go when attendants confirmed the effect had worn off.

Tigerfan
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11-06-2003

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 2:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tigerfan a private message Print Post    
Thank you so much everyone, I felt I needed to give you a glimpse of what it's like inside that hell. I feel a little exposed, and it makes me feel good that I'm not being condemned (sp).

War, My family tried the intervention thing 3 different times over the years and bless them for trying, but they just didn't understand the power that drug has over you, you go back to it and get better at lying and covering it up...It took my Momma dying for me to finally quit, the guilt of knowing she was watching over me and seeing me do it overwhelmed me. I completely removed myself from the enviroment.That meant leaving friends, a good job, everything behind and starting over.

I pray for anyone who is still stuck there.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 2:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Herckleperckle a private message Print Post    
Proud of you, Tiger.

Herckleperckle
Member

11-20-2003

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Herckleperckle a private message Print Post    
If you haven't checked out the Frontline link I posted, I am taking the opportunity to share these two pics (from the site)--found under the first section, How Meth Destroys the Body.

Meth Mouth

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The drug causes the salivary glands to dry out, allowing mouth acids to eat away the
enamel and cause cavities. Teeth are further damaged when users obsessively grind their
teeth, binge on sugary food and drinks, and neglect to brush or floss for long periods of time.


Tigerfan
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11-06-2003

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tigerfan a private message Print Post    
Oh yes, we wont even get into the amount of dental work I've had and still need..it absolutely destroys your teeth! They just rot and break away without warning...

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 3:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Tiger, thanks for sharing.

Eeyore, you said I just invite you to have someone take crystal meth in a clean, nurturing environment, with tons of food and a healthy living environment, where they do not have to also worry about obtaining the drug (unlimited supply).

would you want a member of your family to use meth?

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 3:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Yes Landi, a man with multiple PhDs is a BAD source compared to people on a television website who have only sensationalist experience with the drugs and the brain. A man goes through years and years of cutting and slicing brains, and reading insane amounts of scholarly literature on this very topic, and HE is the bad source.

It just pisses me off that you guys are going to scream the sky is falling over this drug, when HOW MANY people smoke, and not only harm their own bodies, but put SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE in danger too.

The media has decided this drug is satan's reincarnation, and I find it very yellow to just believe them. I don't deny the drug has caused problems for some people, but I just don't think this is what we should be focusing our energies on.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 3:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Oh give me a break. Would I want someone in my family to take meth. It is a drug used to escape reality. So would I want someone in my family to feel like they needed to escape reality? Probably not. Mind you, I HAVE family members who were VERY into the drug scene at one time. Doesn't change how I see things.

Here's a question for all of you ladies sitting here lamenting this apocolyptic drug: So you think it's so bad, what are you going to do to change things? Are you going to go volunteer at a shelter in the druggie areas of town? Or help out in a treatment facility? Are you going to donate to charities that help these people get off the drug? Are you going to call your local politician and say you think this is a priority?

Or are you going to just sit here on a discussion board, pushing around sensationalized ideas to scare each other, and just cry "woe is me" to live in this crazy drug world, while never doing anything about it?

It bothers me that there's this "who can scare people more" mentality. Ewww look at THIS drug problem! Ewww...look at this other social problem! Ewww....look at these criminals! Ewww....look at all the troubles in the world! But with your jaws gaping, you sit and do nothing about it. Can't be much of a problem, if it doesn't mobilize you.


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Tiger - I'm sorry you dealt with those bad times. Good to see things are looking up for you.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 3:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Lol I really won't dignify your questions with a response Eeyore. Frankly I don't think anyone is screaming the sky is falling...

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
Okay, Eeyore since you asked ... let's see I've visited my sister in jail the many times she's been arrested, I've also visited her in rehab. I've admitted her to the hospital several times when she's OD'd. I care for her child on a regular basis as she is unable to provide for him. Over the past 20 years she has lived with many family members, including myself, but has been kicked out due to her stealing or using. I have called the police on dealers who I know sell to her.

Nothing that I do keeps her from using the drug! If there was something I could do to make her stop, I would.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 3:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Judging from this chart http://oas.samhsa.gov/NHSDA/2k3NSDUH/appg.htm meth use doesn't even reach statistically significant levels in the US. (Unlike other drugs)

Kind of interesting that the amounts used between 2002 and 2003 are going DOWN. So is it REALLY A "growing epidemic"?

I also notice that only 0.6% of the people used in the last year, and only 0.3% in the last month.

Worth taking a look, and maybe straightening out the facts. But maybe it's not facts we are looking for. Maybe we are just looking for shocking pictures. I'd love to tell you about the visuals of my friend who, at 19, had her lungs drained as a smoker. The black goop was disgusting. Oh, I'm sure all the different lung cancers are a pleasure to look at. Luckily, the ugliness of nicotine use is INSIDE, so we can pretend not to worry about smoking as a REAL problem. We can pretend smoking around kids doesn't make THEIR lungs all black and goopy too.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 3:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I'm sorry you are dealing with that Vacanick. No I don't wish it on ANYONE. And if anyone is taking that as my message, you need to go back and read. I just think the media sensationalizes things that may not be as big a problem as other things.

Landi
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07-29-2002

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
eeyore, you need to do your research before you go berating me. i stated AND i quote:

quote:

and your professor is starting to sound like timothy leary.



you need to look up timothy leary next time and realize he was a doctor who advocted drug use. check that out and i'm speaking AS A PARENT of an ADHD child, not as someone is uniformed.

in one post at Friday, April 07, 2006 - 11:32 am you stated that Desoxyn was an OVER THE COUNTER MEDICATION. then you retracted that at Friday, April 07, 2006 - 12:25 pm and said it was BY PRESCRIPTION ONLY. inconsistancy.


Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
Ok, time to go back to the issues and not each other. <takes striped ref's shirt off>

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Just one thing, smokers don't usually steal from their family and friends to get more smokes.
Unfortunately, I have not seen the answer to any drug addictions including alcohol and cigarettes.
What I don't understand about the meth users, is why don't they just pop some diet pills to get that rush or whatever it is. Sad, but true the diet pill is very addictive also.

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Friday, April 07, 2006 - 4:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Does that mean you have no shirt on at the moment, Lance?

Landi, I used my words wrong. I meant OTC in that it was available by prescription. I always forget about the distinction. I am not veering from my views or giving a cloudy or wish-washy opinion.