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Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
I am quite ignorant about Scientology, and only know what I have heard or read of its celebrity followers. Oh, and the South Park episode a few weeks ago, which was really funny. (Anyone see that? "Why won't Tom Cruise come out of the closet?")

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
Jimmer...along with the verse Escapee wrote is John 3:16...For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believe in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. 17...for God sent not His Son to the world to condemn, but that the world, through Him, might be saved.

I was raised and believe that Jesus is the only way to eternal life...and by accepting Christ...you are spiritually 're-born'. Thus you have born-again christians.

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. Marvel not, that I say unto you...you must be born again." This is also in John 3...(I had to memorize all of John 3 as a teen.)

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
kearie isn't obnoxious but aly kat can be. LOL

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
Shuddup Chessy!!! Get back to the farm you mangy cat!!!

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
<----- leaving with tail held high to go check out the Christmas presents in the barn

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
LOL at your comment Newman about "you'll understand when you get older".

My mom always said "you'll appreciate religion when you get older." Well, let's see if I can count how many times she's been to church since I graduated high school. Maybe 5! Guess she's really appreciating it now. :-)

I don't know a thing about scientology, but if Tom Cruise is any indication, it sounds a bit odd.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
I haven't heard much about Scientology except for during the Schiavo case. Many people on the internet that I talked to believed that Scientology was behind "pulling the plug", so to speak, because of their belief that certain people who don't contribute to society...are worthless. (the mentally ill, the sick and elderly, the disabled etc....people who take up resources but give nothing back)

This is what I've heard about Scientology. It may or may not be correct.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Any religion that holds the writings and teachings of a mortal person equal to the bible is the same way a cult begins, IMO.

Think about the popular religions of today. The ones who follow the teachings of a person, and hold those teachings equal or of more value than the bible. I won't go into the specific ones, because I don't want to offend anyone.

I am still not sure how scientology is a religion. Isn't it more of just a following of L Ron Hubbard and his mental instability?

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 2:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
I could have some of my facts wrong, but what I have gathered about Scientology is there was a faraway planet that was becoming too populated so the bad aliens were sent to earth. These bad aliens enter into human beings in the form of maladies. Got a headache? It's one of the aliens. Got cancer? Ditto. I don't think they They believe that the training will ultimately make a person god-like. They take medication for phyical ailments, but psychiatric drugs are forbidden. Anyone can take the training to reach the highest level for a mere, I think, $500,000.

It should also be remembered that L. Ron Hubbard was a very successful science fiction writer back in the day.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 2:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
That is not a religion......

If it is, then so star trek conventions are church and star wars gatherings are revivals.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
If I understood my friend correctly and assuming he knows what he is talking about (a lot of assumptions here but I’m being careful), Scientology members do not consider it a religion in the same sense that Christianity is considered a religion. Also, being a Scientology member doesn’t prevent you from being a Christian and going to a Christian church.

I haven't heard anything about the "aliens", but as I said before, I haven't asked him a lot about it. He seems like a very nice, intelligent normal individual (as do many Christians for that matter ).

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
i've never read anything about scientologists fearing aliens in their bodies. here is a website that sums up their history, practices and beliefs:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/scientol.htm

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I believe Scientology recently made (and won) a court case claiming themselves to be a religion, so that they might gain religious status in the eyes of the government.

As for Christianity being the only way to salvation; there are plenty of Christians out there who believe in universal salvation and that grace does not require belief of a certain type. Christ died for *all* and uh, *all* means *all* is one way of understanding universal salvation. The act of atonement by Christ "destroyed the works of the devil" and therefore all sin is overcome in his act of sacrifice. Acts 3:20, 21, "And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of ALL things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began."

I consider myself a Christian, but I do not ascribe to the substitionary atonement philosophy - ie, we were all such crap that Christ had to take the death penalty which we deserved in order that we be saved.

Other arguments that favor universal salvation are that a God who destines some to a firey hell could not be a loving God - that any God who creates people knowing that they will be eternally damned is not a "good" God.

I am a believer in grace; and true grace cannot require anything of the recipient. It's not grace if it comes with strings. Grace is consistently referred to in the New Testament as a "free gift". A free gift cannot extract a price (not even belief of a certain kind, or being born again, or whatever).

There are many other such references of God's goodness, God's forgiveness, God's mercy, God's grace and God's love, and finally God's inclusiveness. It's just my opinion, but it seems to me that the exclusionary clauses of Christianity are man-made. :-)

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
The only place I ever heard of this alien thing was on South Park.

Escapee: "Isn't it more of just a following of L Ron Hubbard and his mental instability?" Yeah, that sure won't offend anyone. LOL

Cnd, thanks for the link. I would like to wonder through the entire site. I think it stands for what I've been trying to say.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
L Ron is dead, so if it offends him from another planet, then so be it. I don't think you should have to PAY to be a part of any religion.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Scientology has been recognized as a religion [tax exempt status for the IRS, etc] in the US since 1993.

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
Try attending Jewish High Holiday services without having purchased an expensive ticket. Yes there are free services available but they are hard to find.

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
i didn't read anything about scientologists having to pay to be part of their religion in the link above. and, i agree, paying to be a part doesn't sit well with me.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
You can be jewish and practice without having to fork over a penny. Not so with scientology.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Weiner, you're right. It's very very hard to go to high holiday services without money for the ticket. And then there are my wardrobe expenses too!

Since I've been in LA I've only gone to services at the Jewish group at UCLA. Mommy still pays for me to attend services at Society Hill Synagogue when I'm home.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I was unaware that you had to pay to go to synagogue.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
The alien chapter of Scientology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Now Tom Cruise and John Travolta are in the closet.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 4:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
Native...wow...sure that stuff isn't what his science fiction books were about? I went to the site and read a little. Very weird.

Newman
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09-25-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Newman a private message Print Post    
Any religion that gets you to jump up and down on a couch is weird, IMHO. Of course I know I'm just generalizing here, so forgive me.

Karuuna, I was struck by your use of the word "grace." God's grace. That word didn't get used in my church growing up. It's not in my working vocabulary.

That whole concept of Christ dying for my sins, when I hadn't even been born yet, is another concept that is hard for me to comprehend. Original sin is also.

Christ died for me so that I can have everlasting life? But there's a catch. I have to believe he did that?? Right? And that he rose from the dead.

Atonement is yet another word we didn't use. I find it interesting that my sect of Christianity (Unity) can be so different from so many others who write here.

Sin is yet another word we rarely used. When you're young and in Sunday School, what is a sin? Coloring outside the lines? Copying an answer off Julie's paper?

One other thing from that Barbara Walters special. Someone said "the real life is the next life." My Unity stressed this life, being good, doing good in this one. Didn't stress an afterlife either.

My gripe with Christianity can be summed up like this. You can be a lousy person. Lie, cheat, steal, hurt people, but if you proclaim that Jesus is your savior then you get to go to heaven. And Gandhi, being a Hindu, can't?! That doesn't make sense to me.