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Jan
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08-01-2000

Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 5:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
I can create a separate spoiler thread if you prefer or would you rather all just post together here and use the spoiler tags for spoiler info??

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 5:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
I think a spoiler thread is a good idea. That way people can discuss what happens.

Jan
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08-01-2000

Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 6:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
The Spoiler thread for the olympics is located one folder up at this LINK.

It asks that all spoilers (ie winners we know about before USA television coverage) be placed in the spoiler thread. Since a lot of the Canadian coverage is hours before the equiv American coverage please be sure and confine those winner remarks to the spoiler thread until AFTER the American coverage has aired. :-):-):-)

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 6:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
I was very bummed out to turn on NBC at 8:00 last night expecting to see the opening ceremonies as advertised and then having to wait until NBC actually chose to show it as it had been over and done with in Italy for hours by that time. This is what makes me turn off the Olympics. If you advertise an opening ceremony ~ show an opening ceremony ~ not some drama laden interview or clips from past Olympics.

By the time it finally did start, I was tired and when they started dragging the cows around, it didn't take much to switch to Professional Ballroom Dancing on PBS and I don't even like ballroom dancing!

End of rant ~ congrats to Hedrick. I can remember the videos of Heiden and his sister using inline skates to practice in the summer. If Hedrick accomplishes his goal, more power to him.

On a Heiden note ~ I was in Sacramento about twelve years ago and looked out the car at a bicycle rider. My eyes went straight to the rider's thighs and I commented "Oh look - they're just like Eric Heiden's thighs!" Later I was told that Heiden was actually living in that neighborhood and rode his bike to and from work. So while I didn't see the face of the rider, I'm 90% sure I saw his thighs! Amazing how you can recognize a person without ever looking up, eh?

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 1:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
I'm watching NBC Olympics coverage, Michelle Kwan has withdrawn from the team with a groin pull. Kwan withdrawls There is supposed to be a news conference with Kwan later today (5:30 am EST as being reported on the coverage.)

The US Olympic Committee has asked to replace her with Emily Hughes.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 2:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I just caught up to the same news.

I would almost have thought they'd have had Emily in Italy, just in case, but then this isn't just how Michelle had been but a new injury.

Sad end to her Olympic career, but she gave it all she had and luckily there is time for Emily Hughes to arrive and rest, according to the announcer.

The news conference will be on MSNBC at 5:30am ET.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 2:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
NBC interviewing Scott Hamilton about Michelle right now .. he says if Emily arrives 8 days ahead that would be ideal in terms of getting used to the ice, etc. Says she should have time despite the blizzard in Emily's area.

I'm wondering if the interview will move the press release to NBC since it is only an hour away now. But, face it, it will be repeated over and over.

Now he's saying {on the networks of NBC and on the Today show.. Right now they are just interrupting the repeat coverage that is running on NBC, at least here on the west coast.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 3:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Press conference is on MSNBC and NBC.

Apparently Emily Hughes not yet approved but that is expected and Emily says she is ready! In the middle of a NY blizzard, could take her a bit of time, but she wouldn't start competing until the 21st.

Peter Ueberroth annoucing the withdrawal. (I actually met him once)

DUE TO A NEW INJURY. Groin strain in right hip.. happened Saturday morning.

Late Athlete replacement form submitted with Emily Hughes as replacement 7:30am and she was accepted at 11am.

Michelle Kwan means more to the US Olympic committee than

she's a real loss made a courageous decision

Prsident of Us Figure Skating:
Ron Hershberger, echoes comments about Michelle made by Peter, Great Champion, admired, adored, etc. Regrettable that she sustained this new injury the first day of practice. Says they had all followed protocol so carefully and she was certified healthy and they also had her re-evaluated by another physian with monitored training and she was clearly ready to compete and then seen by two more doctors after that, just before coming to the games.

She is a true champion and will get through this.

We are delighted that Emily Hughes has continued training and she will be here later this week.

David Raith, exec, echoes all the good things said.

Says the Hughes family was at dinner, spoke to her father and then Emily, who was sad for Michelle but of course very excited.

Looking at logistics of getting the family to Italy. Will be another remote conference with them later today.

DR Moeller contacted to perform assessment on Michelle at 2:15am.. took history of injury, full exam of both hips, due to findings made the assesment of acute adductor/groin strain, felt that to continue to train/compete would put her at great risk of further injury.

Perfectly clear, this type of injury is not career threatening, can recover with time and training.


Taking press questions

Q. What distiguishes this from the groin injury she already had?

Doc says she was cleared as completely recovered and he assesses this as an acute, new injury.

Q. Michelle said it was tight, so why is this a new injury and does it have to be a new injury to get Emily approved.

Doc says tightness is different, plus she felt fine when she took the ice but when she landed a certain jump, felt immediate, sudden pain.

It was not a factor in getting Emily, but they are pleased that Emily was approved so quickly. says Peter U.

Q. amazing silence!

Guess they couldn't dig out some conspiracy, LOL

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 4:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Michelle will be on soon to answer reporters.

Interview with Scott Hamilton says it is mature of Michelle to make the quick decision and not try to hold on. This gives Emily the most time to still prepare.

Michell now to answer question.s

She looks so sad, of course.

I wish I was here in better circumstances. When I petitioned I said I believed I would be in conditions and after this injury I can't compete at 100% and be at my best. (paraphrased.)

Woke up stiff yesterday, practice at 11:20, got there early ,jump rope, stretching, walk through, then on ice, still not at ease, triple flip.. knew I had done something. Attempted it again, fell, tried to skate it off, still not right, still felt stiff and uncomfortable, got ultrasound, physio, iced it, had dinner with parents, back to village..

Still didn't feel righ, so called and talked to the doctor, had it evaluated. had to make the decision, knows it is the right one, but hard.

Q. In hindsight better not to have gone to opening ceremonies. or even practice.

Michelle: it is an honor to represent country and I didn't think twice about going to the opening, and practicing, you have to do business as norma.

Someone asking about the futurre, she cant think past now..

Q Did injury grow increasingly worse, could you sleep, did you kind of know what the doctor would say, or was tha t shock.

Michelle. first practice is always tough, get feet under you. Didn't immediately think this is it. After physio, icing, ultrasound, it got worse as the day progressed, in my heart I didn't think I could be at my best, had to make a decision, so made the phone calls. As he evaluated my body, he knew I was in pain and I think you don't have to hear it from someone else that you are in pain.

Q So when he recommended you withdraw, did you think to wait another week? Will you stay here?

Michelle, no I knew I had to withdraw, best for the team, wouldn't want to be in the way of that.

Best thing for me is to go home, get better, don't want to be a distraction here

(WHAT CLASS)

Q. You did several interviews yesterday and put on a brave face, didn't mention injury, was this new?

I left LA, ready to go.. I felt stiff after practice but had obligations, interviews, but my groin didn't feel well AT ALL, this is not the same as when I left home, trying to stay positive, not alot of practice but felt good and ready to go.

Q you are 25 now, would be 29 in four years, how much of a void does this leave

Always been a dream to win the olympics, honor to represent your country, my parents arrived last night, want me to be happy, want their baby to win the gold, but I know it isn't all about the gold, the experience, if I don't win the gold, it is ok..

Q. after you found out did you walk around the village, imagine you didn't go to sleep right away

after i saw the doctor, I called my parents, told them I made the decidion, they said they would support me 100% whatever, always proud of me. Don't think I fell asleep at all. Tough night.

Q. As you talk to us now are you in physical pain of more the emotions

It is physical pain that is keeping me from performing, but emotional pain as well.. trails off.

Q.can't hear q

Says Emily will have an amazing time, will make the country proud and she's ready, the olympics is an amazing experience

over.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 4:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Wow, I had tears. Such class and grace in such a young woman, really.

BAck to Scott Hamilton, also sad..

Scott says we are in good shape and have strong women.

Time for me to sleep

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 4:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Feh, some reporter on MSNBC now ham-handedly reports exactly wrong that Michelle said it was the same nagging injury.

And another couple talking about how that doesn't matter but she wasn't ready.

This is outrageous because these three people CLEARLY didn't listen to the press conference.

Back away from the keyboard, Lynn.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 4:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
THese people are simply misquoting EVERYTHING.. I'm off to the MSNBC site to complain.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 7:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Wonder if we should have a Canadian Olympics thread?

If it is already on TV, the news and on the radio how can it be a spoiler>? I'm puzzled.

http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/

Great olympic site with an accent on Canadian athletes.
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Glad I found this olympic thread! Loved the Opening ceremony and always end up staying up all night watching the events LOL

I really dislike this time difference...Nagano was easiest for me.

Easy to figure out though.....just look at our clock and minus three hours. If it is listed at starting at 3 pm Italian time, we then watch at 6am.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 7:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Well, I certainly feel terrible for Kwan and I don't fancy our chances of medalling in women's figure skating at this point.

Marysafan and Kappy, Colossus says I mistakenly limited Mr. Heiden's talents in my previous post - he could actually tear a phone book in half (major city yellow pages) with his thighs . My apologies to Dr. Heiden.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 7:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I don't think Kwan should have gone over to Turin and there was a lot of press at the time when Emily Hughes got bumped to allow Kwan to go to Turin about whether Kwan was really healed and in physical condition to compete.

I agree Kwan is bowing out with grace but they never should have made the exception to allow her to compete. This has been unfair to Hughes who should have been in Turin to begin with. There is no way she is getting out of NY today and it wont be that easy tomorrow. She will be days behind in terms of practice and familiarizing herself over there.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 7:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Morning Maris! I have a bit of a different point of view. I think Kwan paid it forward in '94 (or was it '92?) when she was bumped to make room for Kerrigan of the thwacked knee. Kwan was young and all ligaments, and although proficient, simply wasn't a developed world-caliber skater. Different circumstances to be sure, but in an era where Olympic champions are taking their gold, going professional, failing to reach their own potential as mature skaters and then disappearing from the radar screens (what are Tara Lipinski and Sarah Hughes doing now?), I find Kwan a refreshing change of pace. To be sure, I felt the sport had passed her by at the last Olympics, but she continued to place internationally and improve her performance at the amateur level. I guess I've always just been rooting for the girl. I don't think Emily Hughes at this point is capable of competing an Olympic level, either, and so appointing Kwan made much more sense. I hope Hughes suprises me though. Nothing against the girl for sure.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 7:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
Sarah Hughes is a full time student at Yale. Lipinski quit skating because of hip injuries I think.

given they are only allowed to take so many skaters to the olympics, I dont think that there is room for sentimentality.

Lumbele
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07-12-2002

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lumbele a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, maybe a CBC coverage thread would be nice, but that still doesn't eliminate the spoiler factor.
If someone posts a result in the first line, those with "new messages" will still see something they don't want to see yet.
Is there any way to make the "new message" line not show?

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
I agree with you Maris. It's a shame Emily wasn't in the opening ceremonies.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
As far as I know, the only way to prevent the new message line from being a spoiler in the "new messages" screen is to type something irrelevant in the first line of the message.

Note that hitting enter a couple of times to space down does not work. You actually have to type something in the first line.

Coco
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07-13-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Coco a private message Print Post    
I'm sorry to learn Michelle Kwan had to bow out. I'll have to turn on my TV and catch her Q & A session.

I have been a Michelle Kwan fan ever since I met her, her sister Karen and their parents 15 years ago at their family owned restaurant. At that time, I suspected one of the Kwan girls would be an Olympian someday. Proudly displayed on the walls of their family owned restaurant were the myriad of medals, trophies and pictures of these two talented ice skaters.

I am one of millions who has watched Michelle develop into the most elegant, graceful, technical, beautiful and classy ice skaters the world has seen.

I am selfishly thankful Michelle had continue to pursue her Olympic dream of Gold to Turin, Italy. And it saddens me that she must withdraw.


Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
Oh GAL...thanks for... um...raising Eric Heiden's thighs!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Agree with GAL about the pay-forward..

AND

Actually Michelle paid for it at the last World's by going fourth. Had she not gone fourth, our team of women singles skaters would have consisted of two women and Emily Hughes would have had no chance to go.
So, to me, and I gather to many in the skating community, she did earn the spot, or created it.

And I believe that she wouldn't have gone if she didn't think she could be 100%. They described just how many times and how recently that had been checked. The actual press conference was precise and detailed and then IMMEDIATELY after that, when US coverage switched to talking heads back home, they started changing the meaning, quoting phrases out of context, or quoting other reporters (the questions they asked not the answers giver).

Scott Hamilton said that many athletes would have chosen to remain and see what happend since the doctor had said it wasn't a career-ending injury in itself, but that Michelle clearly did the right thing. She was questioned in the press conference and said that as soon as she saw the doctor that confirmed what she knew.. she knew she was in pain but he defined it as a new injury, etc. And for the team, she immediately knew what to do and called her parents and informed them.

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One thing that has bothered me about some of the talented young women we have had on our teams is how often they don't stick around to support the US team in the next world's and several times this has cost us a place on the next team. This includes Nancy Kerrigan and Tara Lipinski (and this was LONG before she injured herself by heavily touring as a professional. I mean the very first world's after her win). Just being tired and not wanting to hang on til next worlds isn't a good excuse in my book.

So since Michelle was in this 100% and she DID actually secure the spot, and she believed and was told and certified by several sports/figure skating doctors, independent of each other, that she could compete and also was considered ok by the committee that observed her practices. She was recertified physically by both doctors as late as the 9th. She should have gone.

But when this new injory occurred, she didn't hesitate to act. That's all she could do, and it isn't her fault that the USOC didn't bring Sarah along as an alternate (but the rules governing that are not known to me).

Emily isn't expected to win anything (so says Scott Hamilton) but will get the experience and the exposure and the chance at more and be able to march in the closing. And she'll get all that first because she excelled at Nationals and was next in line and second because the spot was available thanks to Michelle's performance in the last world's.

Now that she's going, I hope she proves Scott wrong. But perhaps he is basing his comments on the knowledge of the level of her actual programs and it really isn't possible.

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GAL, I still have hopes that Sasha Cohen will pull together and if she does, she should medal. I think the medal is Irina Slutskaya's to lose. Kinda too bad Sarah Hughes didn't stick with competing; she's not exactly over the hill.

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Coco, sadly, both of Michelle's parents just arrived in Italy yesterday. They had come to share this last experience with her. After she quit her practice she had the physio therapy, ultrasound, icing and then as she said had obligations.. I know she was interviewed more than once, but then met her parents for dinner. I guess I'm glad they are there for her and were able to tell her they are proud of her and support her decision, as she returns home.

I also found it refreshing that she answered the question about hanging around in Italy by saying she didn't want to be a distractiion (and you know the press would have been after her and the spotlight should be on the team, now).

I have to see if I actually got the later press conference on one of my tapes. Last night it looked like I would but I didn't tape the spcific Morning Show.. ACK. I don't trust for a moment any reporter's interpretation after last night.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    

I agree 100% with Sea and Coco's comments. I wish Michelle all the best in her future. She deserves to go pro and make a bazillion dollars

Jan
Moderator

08-01-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
Lumbele and Sunshyne and Jimmer - I posted an answer to lumbele's question in the mod thread and will repeat it here for everyone :-):-):-) -I think of the spoiler thread as a Canadian olympic thread although it is really for all spoilers. Eg GAL used it to post internet coverage prior to TV coverage.

Jan
Moderator

08-01-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:19 am Lumbele, if you are talking about posting in the spoiler thread for the olympics , especially made for us canadians to talk about our earlier coverage of the results, then you don't have to use the spoiler box at all. Just do as CND suggests - with any words you like - about 10 words will make sure nothing shows in new messages - eg you could just say i just watched the Snowboard and great news - at that point you would be out of new message territory and can say whatever you like.

Hope that helps. I know it doesn't seem fair but since we canadian viewers are so small in membership compared to the American viewers who have no choice but to wait till later to find out - what can we do???

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:23 am Just remember that you have to write something in the first line. Spacing down a couple of times using the enter key doesn't work.