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Kearie
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07-21-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 4:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
Just for the record...

...some Christians say you can lose your Eternal Life if you continue sinning and don't change your heart.

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 4:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
As usual, you make some excellent points and ask thought provoking questions, Newman. I agree with your last paragraph, and I don't buy that either.

There are alot of folks these days saying we have to "put Christ back in Christmas." Some of those are the lousy people you talk about. To them, I would say we should put Christ back in Christianity.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 5:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Newman, I agree too. In my brand of spirituality, one of the primary areas of work is to get over any air of superiority because you are spiritual; or that somehow your "brand" of spirituality is better than any other.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 5:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Kearie, yeah, I've heard that too. But I don't buy that either. :-)

IMO, there may be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but if there is, it's because suddenly you have full awareness of what you did to hurt other people and you feel that suffering or true remorse over what you did. It's not because some Father God punishes you by throwing you into a fire.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
ITA Karuuna. Very well put.

I hate that "looking down your nose" at people attitude because they don't have the exact same thoughts. I can imagine standing at those pearly gates and saying "boy was I wrong, my face sure is red, I wish I was nicer to those (insert faith here)"

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 5:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
Somehow I completely missed Karuuna's post from 2:01 today. I must have been posting at the same time. Anyway - wow! My views are really similar to yours, except you express them with so much more elegance and detail. And then you have this most sensical explanation of the gnashing of teeth. Wow!

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 5:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
Did I come across bad in my saying some christians believe that way? (Some teach you can lose your salvation)

The main reason for that post was in response to Newman's comment that it's hard for him to buy into the fact that a Christian can be a rotten person and still go to heaven.

"My gripe with Christianity can be summed up like this. You can be a lousy person. Lie, cheat, steal, hurt people, but if you proclaim that Jesus is your savior then you get to go to heaven. And Gandhi, being a Hindu, can't?! That doesn't make sense to me."

Sorry if I came across as looking down my nose at anyone. (I could just be sensitive today)

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 5:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
Not to me. I was taught, too, that if you sin, even after being saved, and then died without repenting, you go to hell. Today, I don't buy it.

Okay, is it becoming really obvious that I was raised in a quite fundamentalist church? I remember being fascinated by how liberal the Southern Baptists were (when I switched over to being a Baptist my senior year of high school). It was particularly hard for me to grasp the "once saved, always saved" concept.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 6:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm not Catholic but my understanding was that in the Catholic faith if you do not receive the last rites before death, you will not go to heaven. Maybe this has changed?

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 6:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I don't think that is right Jimmer. It is a sacrament, but far as I know, not necessary... (like what if you die in a car crash?)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Oh I agree Julieboo. There are many ways that one could die where the last rites would not be available. That is why I'm wondering if it is still held to be true by the church (or if I had it wrong in the first place)?

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
Can you tell us more about the Jewish faith? What do they believe?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 6:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Well it looks like I was wrong about that (and I'm glad that I was wrong) because it would have been unfair to say the least.

Mameblanche
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04-13-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 6:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Karuuna (big kiss, just cuz I like the logical, fair, openminded, inclusiveness of your thinking. Now that's what I call a good Christian. :-))
Escapee, you don't have to pay to go to a service, exactly... I understand that one pays a membership for ones seat, and then pay extra on high holidays. BUT I believe that they always will accomodate someone according to need, so they might pay a portion instead. Growing up my relatives usually had seats, but we stood in the back or sat where we could find a seat because we couldn't afford a membership. But I've never heard of anyone being kept out.
Also, at Church, don't they pass the hat, as tithes, tithing?

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 6:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Thanks very much Slinky and Mame!

Kearie, thanks for explaining your post further. I didn't think you were coming across ugly at all, I was just commenting and sharing my own opinion. However, stating that it was in reference to a previous remark helped me gain a better understanding of what you were trying to say. Sometimes I lose track of these conversations, especially when they're complicated! :-)

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Slinkydog, this might help answer your questions: link. The truth is that there are many variations in Judaism--whether we keep kosher or not, how to practice, etc.--so it's impossible to say what Jews believe, especially since many of us are either agnostic or atheist! LOL.

The major differences it has with Christianity, I'd say, is that we don't really have conversations about heaven and that we don't believe the messiah has come. We also have a different way of reading our holy texts, which is not literal and is instead based in a tradition called Midrash, which is exigetical in nature. Ummmmmmm. That gets complicated....it's a tradition handed down by rabbis for centuries.

Mameblanche
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04-13-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 6:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Slinkydog... here's a site I Googled for you... seems like an excellent place to start. Being a
'lapsed' Jew myself, I'm looking forward to reading it myself. <G>

http://www.jewfaq.org/

Mameblanche
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04-13-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 7:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
LOL... I just realized that of all the millions of websites on the internet... Tish and I found the SAME one to recommend. Amazing!

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 7:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
They have an offering where you can put a donation in, but it isn't mandatory to come to church.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 8:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I glance at the name of that site and thought it was a site for gay jewish men

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
pamy, you are TOO much. lol

(p.s. i forgot to tell mention to you in another thread a few days ago....i'm going to send you a new bra. those boobs will be touching your chin once again! you won't be able to speak...but who needs to speak when they are that high! lol)

Newman
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09-25-2004

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 9:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Newman a private message Print Post    
Tish, maybe that's why you liked Syriana so much. It was exigetical in nature too (if I'm using that word that I never heard of before, correctly, lol).

Tish are you saying that Jews don't believe in a heaven or that they just don't talk about it? I thought they had a Jewish rep in the Barbara Walters special on heaven?

I always think of Christianity and Judaism as being close cousins because, afterall, Jesus was a Jew!

Isn't there that famous story about John Wayne, who led a raucous Hollywood life, but on his deathbed he re-proclaimed his Catholic faith, you know, so he could get into heaven?

I must say that those stories about near death experiences in the Barbara Walters special do get me to wondering. How could so many people have similar stories? One of them described heaven is such livid detail, how wonderful it was. I was thinking if she's that sure and it was that good why didn't she just kill herself and go there!

The phrase born again confuses me. I never heard that phrase growing up in the '50s and '60s. When was it invented? I think Jimmy Carter was considered a born again Christian. Was he an evangelical? Is that a new religion?? Does being "born again" only pertain to Evangelicals? Anyone know?


Kearie
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07-21-2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 9:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
Growing up, I never knew there were any other kinds of Christians...other than born again.

Billy Grahm was a born again evangelical.

Does evangelical mean missionary...or someone who "spreads the Word"?

LOL adding more....again...

I guess I still get confused with the word Evangelical. I always thought it was just a term used for TV personalities that preach. Or people that did musical tours...as a witnessing thing.

Someone help me please?

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 10:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
ROTF Abby!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 10:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
The root word of evangelical is a latin word (that I can't remember) that means something like "to announce the good news". I think most US churches use it to mean something like this - that an important part of their faith is the gospel of Jesus; although the original use of the word referred more to those who taught God's word (the good news).

From visiting Ted Haggard's site the other day (the national association of evangelicals) I would say they mean that they are bible believing (the bible is the inspired, inerrant word of God), the divinity of Jesus Christ, and that you must be 'born again' to be saved.