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Archive through January 26, 2006

The TVClubHouse: General Discussions ARCHIVES: 2005 Dec. ~ 2006 Feb.: Free Expression: Fact or Crap?? (ARCHIVES): Archive through January 26, 2006 users admin

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Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Crap.

Coco
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07-13-2000

Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 8:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Coco a private message Print Post    
Fact

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
Fact.

'squeek'

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 9:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
fact

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 10:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Fact.

Heyltslori
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09-15-2001

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 5:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Heyltslori a private message Print Post    
Crap

Jagger
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08-07-2002

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 6:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jagger a private message Print Post    
I'll go with the minority and say it's crap, just too many people are thinking it is fact and I always like to be different.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 6:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Crap, its not the first "printed" book, but the first on a machine.

SO I go with CRAP just cause I am being picky in my definition of the question.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I actually did have a bit of a problem with this one... if you go into the semantics of it, it can be a bit difficult to actually define the word "printed". But since I know Max is using something that probably takes a bit o' liberty with the words -- remember the flag question? -- I too liberty, too! Hehehe!

Edited to add: Mama! Thanks but... I may not be smart on this one! We'll see! <grin>

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 7:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I'm going to say crap and you'll be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. How could we ever know for sure? <--can you tell I'm a skeptic?

Jeep
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10-17-2001

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 8:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeep a private message Print Post    
Fact. I agree with Costacat. Max didn't say what type of print, it's the first printed with movable type. Of course, I nit-picked the flag question, why change now?

P.S. I remember this being an issue in the movie "Day After Tomorrow" where New York froze over due to global weather change. The people who found shelter in the top floor of a library would not let one of the guys burn the Gutenberg Bible for heat because of its historical value. Yeah, I have a good memory. Sometimes it's a curse.

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 8:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
jeep, that is what i'm basing my guess off of also! too weird.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I think Max is going to be too scared to tell us the answer to this one!

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
LOL She's probably laughing at us!

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 3:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
I think it's Fact. But my track record in this thread is piss-poor!

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 4:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
Good Thursday afternoon to all you FoCers!

Yesterday's question generated some marvelous confusion. Y'all are a highly suspicious/skeptical group! :-) As a refresher, here's the question:

[Was] the Gutenberg Bible the world's first printed book?"
(Grammar corrected by moi.)

There was some discussion amongst you FoCers regarding the context/meaning of the word "printed" here. Regardless, here's how you voted:
Fact 12
Crap 6
Now, this is one on which I'm going to confess I have issues with the Calendar Corps. First, the mangled the grammar in forming the question at all. You simply cannot use present and past tense in the same sentence. It's confusing and awkward! Second, I think they've gone a bit far in being vague about the term "printed," just as many of you pointed out. The generic "printed" could mean anything from block letters etched by hand with some sort of writing instrument, to block printing done by carving letters out of something like a potato, to modern printing presses and many things in between. It's just too bloody vague for anyone to guess correctly (other than by chance) what the Calendar Corps really meant.

So, I declare you all winners today and the Calendar Corps a bunch of misguided folks who need to go back to English class! So there!

However, for the record, here's the correct answer:

They say it's CRAP! "It's the first printed book in metal movable type. The very first printed book was actually a Buddhist sutra, done by block printing in 868, by the Chinese. The Chinese predate Gutenberg in movable type as well; they started printing from clay movable type in 1040, but ended up discarding the method."

So you see, ALL of you were right in one aspect or another because the Calendar Corps couldn't seem to find a way to phrase the question properly! (Good grief, I'm starting to sound like my brother the attorney!) :-)

Okay, so onward we go! Here's the FoC for Thursday, January 26, 2006:

On the TV show The Dukes of Hazzard, the muscle car driven by the Dukes was called "General Grant."

FACT or CRAP? Discuss!


Oh, and bonus points if you can name the year, make and model of the car. After all, the movie came out not long ago and got a lot of press, so y'all should know this! :-)


Serenity
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06-28-2005

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 4:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serenity a private message Print Post    
I know this one!!!! It is CRAP!
Don't know the bonus questions though...

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 4:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    

Crap!

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 4:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
Um, some editing occurred above for reasons that I shall not mention! :-)

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
ROFL! Sorry!

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

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crap, 69 dodge charger (pure guessing here)

Mamapors
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07-29-2004

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 5:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamapors a private message Print Post    
OK Crap and I don't know the car. I so want to Google this, but I didn't before I answered, but I am going to now!!!

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 5:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Half fact, half crap. General/fact Grant/crap

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 5:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
Wow, Ophiliasgrandma, that's the biggest hedged bet I've seen so far! LOL :-)

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 5:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
wasn't it <..>? i never watched it, but i think it's 'generally' accepted that was the name...
maybe? :-)

Are you saying 'fact' or 'crap', Tabby?