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Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 4:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
But let's assume it's a fairly quiet party and the police are called. The parents would answer the door and everyone else hides the alcohol. I doubt they'd search the place...

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 4:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Right now I'm wondering what the drinking age is in the U.S. and why all these age of majority things are so inconsistent (driving a car, voting, dying for your country and having a drink)?

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 4:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Tabby, I think your daughter will get the flak if you do call but I don't know what you should do. Still thinking...

Landi
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07-29-2002

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 4:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
right now, then drive over there that night, and it it's a rolling rocking party, call the cops, and if it isn't don't.

and #1, be glad your daughter WASN'T invited!


Rosie
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11-12-2003

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Good points, Landi.

One of my concerns is that you can easily be identified by placing that call. Thus, your DD gets the flak.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 5:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Right now, I'd use call blocking on my phone and just call in a loud party.. maybe drive by first to make sure it is loud.. and even if it isn't, just a tip that there is alcohol, or may be, being served to minors who may also be driving..

I just think that if something happened to any of those kids, it would be hard to live with not having called. (or warned parents, or something).

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 5:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Not sure that you can block your number from police/emergency personnel but I agree that it would be hard to live with not having done something.

Tabby, do you know the parents of one of the invited kids that you could talk to about this?

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 5:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Rn the police aren't going to do anything on an assumption.

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 6:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
i googled 'drinking age by state' and found:

in california anyone under the age of 21 is not allowed to consume or purchase alcohol under any circumstances. some states do let parents or a spouse who is over 21 provide alcohol in a home setting. california is not one of those states.


the birthday girl's parents i know have lived in calif all their lives and were disgusted when their daughter's dance teacher was found to provide alcohol and sex to minors. she was arrested a second time the night before her trial for the first offenses!! birthday girl's mom was my dd's girl scout leader!

why people think they are doing a favor to provide the alcohol, i don't know. provide soft drinks.

i agree that the police aren't going to do something on an assumption.
if i used a cell phone to call the other girl's parents, they would get a 'unknown caller' on their i.d. dd did tell me what she thought the spelling of the girl's last name was and there is only one listing for that unusual name in the phone book.
i don't mean to be a busybody but it pisses me off. if something happened to this other girl, or to anyone (i think only the girl's boyfriend and this one girl are going to be there. the parents are supposedly going to be there too) i would feel like crap for not having done something. i wish dd hadn't told me, actually!
one of my dd's counselors is married to the police chief. i wonder if i could mention to her that i heard a rumor...and leave it up to her whether to act on it or not. since their son overdosed and died from alcohol poisoning a couple of years ago, i don't think she would 'do nothing'...
i guess i could do nothing and then sit and worry all night. what really angers me is that the parents know it's wrong enough that they are planning how much the other girl can drink! and that it sounds like they want to keep it secret from the other girl's parents...

several years ago, a san jose couple was charged when they provided champagne with the limo service they ordered for their daughter's prom. three couples, all underage, shared 2 bottles of champagne. one kid talked, and the parents were arrested. they said they 'didn't know'. they did get in trouble because ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 6:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Right now, Mocha, the best scenario would be if the party was loud, or if kids came outside with alcohol.. then the cops would come, at least. Well, at least where I live they would and where I lived in Santa Ana they did (there it depended on what else was cooking, like homicide) and actually they liked to cruise by loud parties and even shut them down if possible since so often the drive by shootings stemmed from someone "just sitting on the step or standing in front of a house during a birthday party!" Yeah, it was always a kid's birthday party but usually it was also 3am

Hmm I'd be tempted to call the counselor and talk to her and maybe call the mom of the girl involved.. I mean if all the parents really want the kids drinking, if they at least plan to DRIVE the kids around and home that would be something.

Max
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08-12-2000

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 6:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
Right now, just remember that this was a conversation overheard in a hallway and it could have all been a joke or bravado on the part of the birthday girl to look "cool" to someone else and her parents may have no such intentions.

Right now, I'd care less about DD getting found out for telling she overheard this than I would about making sure these kids are protected or at least that their parents are making an informed decision about what they are doing (meaning that they know it's frowned upon by other parents, but choose to do it anyway).

Becuase right now, all those kids are safe but after the party who knows what would happen and, right now, this is an excellent opportunity for DD to learn that sometimes doing what's right isn't always what's popular.

That said, right now, you should remember that I don't have kids, so it's real easy for me to give advice! :-)

Oh, and right now, I have to say that I grew up witha California Sheriff for a dad and providing alcohol to a minor, whether or not it's your kid, is not something the law looks kindly upon. If it's your own kid, you're endangering a minor. If it's other people's kids, you're contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

Irishtxgrl
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12-07-2005

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 6:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Irishtxgrl a private message Print Post    
RN worrying about hubby's grandmother she is in the ER please put her in your prayers...we aren't sure what is wrong with her yet but she is having problems breathing

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
RN, you got it Irish! I'll think breath-enhancing thoughts; she must be so scared, huh?

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
"the birthday girl's parents i know have lived in calif all their lives and were disgusted when their daughter's dance teacher was found to provide alcohol and sex to minors."

"(i think only the girl's boyfriend and this one girl are going to be there. the parents are supposedly going to be there too)"

Tabby, with this further information, the birthday girl could have just been joking around?

This no longer sounds like an all out drinking party with lots of kids. Doubt the police would check out a party with only 3 kids attending.

If the birthday girl's parents were so upset over the above incident, why would they allow alcohol for minor's in their own home?

Something does not make sense here.

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 7:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
RN, so sorry irish. i will pray for her.

max, yep, it was a conversation at school, and yep, the girl does talk loud to make herself important, but i have never known her to lie.
i think it was supposed to be 'secret' and she couldn't resist talking about it.
of course, if you know it's a secret and that your parents have decided what your friend can drink, because they know she isn't a drinker, blah, blah, and not letting her 'parents find out because they'd be upset'...it really does sound like a real something going to happen. way too much information.
my dd isn't worried about doing the right thing, as it turns out. i think she told me so i would do something about it.
i really think my best choice is to call the counselor and ask her advice about something overheard at school. if she wants the names, she'll ask for them. she could maybe just have her husband drive by or have a patrol officer go by. i don't think the kids will be out and about, but it sounds so sneaky, to hide it indoors. the parents know it's wrong, but want to be cool to their kid. who is 3 years away from the drinking age.
now, my son's friend, who just turned 21, drank in iraq and afganistan at age 20 when he was stationed there. that doesn't bother me. grown up and fighting a war makes that kid grown up to me and he is where it's allowed at his age. but when he came to see me a month before his 21st bd, i did not serve him alcohol.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 7:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Right now: Thanks everyone for the care and wondering about my situation. This baby was due on the 17th. Hopefully the pitocin takes and I have a new baby girl tomorrow. I will let everyone know what is happening as soon as I can. Any bets on size, length, time of birth?

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 8:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Also RN: Call the damn police. IT's your job as a parent, even if your kid isn't in attendance. What if your phone call saves a child's life. I can't believe how willing parents are to allow kids to break the law.

Saxywildcat
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05-30-2005

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 8:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saxywildcat a private message Print Post    
RN I like the idea of calling the counselor, Tabby.

RN I am watching RENT and drinking a concoction I made up.. Chocolate milk with irish cream and butterscotch schnapps. mmmmm

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
Right now ... crossing my fingers that tomorrow you have your baby girl in your arms! I'll say 7 pounds 8 ounces, ?? length, time 3:30 pm.

Sending you happy thoughts for a speedy and healthy delivery!

Saxywildcat
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05-30-2005

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saxywildcat a private message Print Post    
RIght now, one more thing, Taye Diggs.. HOTHOTHOT!

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 8:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
RN: Ah thanks. I am thinking somewhere around 7.5 pounds and 21 inches long and at about 12:45 p.m.

PS Tabby, you can have the cops do a "drive by" and check out the situation, they'll even knock on the door. It will in no way get back to you.

Saxywildcat
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05-30-2005

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 8:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saxywildcat a private message Print Post    
RN, Escapee, good to hear from you, but I was hoping we wouldn't hear anything, that you'd be having that baby!!

Another PS for Tabby, I was thinking, along the lines of calling the cops... If you ask them to not say anything about who made the call, I have a feeling they will honor that. If they do find minors with alcohol, they don't need anything else but that to get the parents.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 8:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
RN Also, if minors think that there are cops in the vicinity, they are less likely to drink and drive. Or, they will get caught and maybe spared their lives or someone elses. Let the cops know the whole situation, they will respect that you called and be glad to "hang" about in the vicinity.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 8:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Right now I'm fascinated by how different American attitudes are about drinking compared to Europe or even Canada.

Landi
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07-29-2002

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 8:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
right now, as queen of the 911 calls, they cannot divulge who made the call, and you are a parent who "drove by". DRIVE BY on the night of the party and call it in! also talk to the counselor. it's akin to seeing child abuse and not reporting it. think of the life (or lives) you may be saving.