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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 9:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Well, I'm back and now can say that both people I met with today are delightful surprises

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 10:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Glenn and I were really big buddies back when we were both guys.



Eeyoreslament
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Monday, December 19, 2005 - 3:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Newman, I think it's funny that you've worked at the post office fro 20 years. Just like in Seinfeld!! (Or is that how you picked you name?)

Newman
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09-25-2004

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That's how I picked, Eeyore.

First impressions are one thing, Kearie. We all make them, judge people at first. Then more info comes in and we canbe pleasantly surprised like Seamonkey says.

I think that's the exception, not the rule. People generally stay in their little boxes of comfort. I know I do. I'm not likely to get up in front of a bunch of people and do 5 minutes of stand up comedy. Not gonna happen. Too shy. Too fearful of rejection.

Shadoe, back to Energy. That probably can be combined with Giver/Taker. I used to have the energy to change my phone message, for example, try to be amusing or topical. A friend used to have the energy to throw Sunday Bronco football gettogethers. I still have energy to write on the internet and GIVE my opinions and observations and try to develop them or start a new thread. Maybe that's Leader/Follower ?


Shadoe
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You are assuming that those who stop using their energy to do certain things have stopped because of a loss of energy.
I used to many things that I have stopped, but not for a lack of energy. I have redirected or channeled that energy into other causes or directions.

Sometimes we realize that we are wasting energy on actions that result in a nil or negative reaction.
Why leave witty messages on your phone if you are not one to use the phone or expect/receive any calls? I had a land line, but stopped it because I hate phones. I now have a cell which is for emergencies only.

Why throw gatherings if you are no longer able, do not enjoy them, or are tired of giving and not receiving back?

I don't believe you can become a leader or follower; you are one or the other and not by your making. You can be an initiator or an instigator, but what you may start has nothing to do with who may follow.

Newman
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09-25-2004

Monday, December 19, 2005 - 6:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Newman a private message Print Post    
Shadoe, I'm not sure we disagree.

Some people are leaders. Others are followers.

Some people have energy and others (usually the followers) don't. I agree. I'll put energy into this thread or that thread and will continue if I'm getting something back.

Or I might put energy into a journal that nobody but me sees.

I guess what you're saying is that everyone has some energy. It might be for shopping. Might be for decorating. Baking. Dating. Cleaning. Writing. A lot of times you just don't get to see it because it's behind closed doors?

I think when I threw in Energy as a category it was because I admire it, almost more so than intelligence, which often times comes across as arrogance. Energy and enthusiasm almost always seems positive to me.


Shadoe
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11-04-2004

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Everyone has energy. How they use and apply that energy is different.

Leaders seem to have a clear vision, a focus for their energy and use their energy based on their own inner self-confidence in their vision and passion.

Followers seem to have a fuzzier type of vision and may not be able to 'see' as clearly as the leaders, so they may step on the bandwagon only after being shown a clear vision by the leaders.

This delayed 'seeing the light' has nothing to do with the energy levels of the followers; they have it, but just don't see ways to use it.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, December 19, 2005 - 7:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Lol I'm an ISTJ also but I don't think I judge people.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

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Shadoe, I have the Desiderata posted up on my book case here at work for all to read. Very good words to live by.
I'm open to even closed minded people but I handle them with care so that maybe they can open up just a little more.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Monday, December 19, 2005 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
I'm a why person. I just seem to always be curious about people, places, and things.

Denecee, I've always loved the Desiderata!

Mocha, I'm an idealist/teacher. I don't remember my type. I'll have to retake the test.

Here's the test if anyone is interested. I've also taken this one on paper and it's pretty accurate. Click on the two Dr's opinions after the test to get an interpretation.

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes1.htm

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Monday, December 19, 2005 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
Interesting Test....thanks for sharing. I'm an INFJ...which seemed very accurate in the two descriptions.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

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The test also said I am a Counselor/Idealist.

Reading the description, I found myself thinking of an introverted leader.

"The Counselor Idealists are abstract in thought and speech, cooperative in reaching their goals, and directive and introverted in their interpersonal roles. Counselors focus on human potentials, think in terms of ethical values, and come easily to decisions. The small number of this type (little more than 2 percent) is regrettable, since Counselors have an unusually strong desire to contribute to the welfare of others and genuinely enjoy helping their companions. Although Counselors tend to be private, sensitive people, and are not generally visible leaders, they nevertheless work quite intensely with those close to them, quietly exerting their influence behind the scenes with their families, friends, and colleagues. This type has great depth of personality; they are themselves complicated, and can understand and deal with complex issues and people."

In school, work and things of that nature, I don't see myself as trying to lead...but people tend to follow me. I want others to succeed also. I tend to be very creative, empathetic and often think outside the box. People seek out my opinions at work and school. However, most of the time I'm in my quiet, introspective world.

So...would I be a leader according to Newman's categories?

The word energy...could that also be Interest, or Passion? I have energy for things that interest me.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Monday, December 19, 2005 - 2:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I am:
Your Type is
ENFJ

Extroverted Intuitive Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %
67 12 38 67

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Monday, December 19, 2005 - 2:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
ISFJ

Introverted Sensing Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %
89 25 50 33

You are:
very expressed introvert
moderately expressed sensing personality
moderately expressed feeling personality
moderately expressed judging personality

Newman
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09-25-2004

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ooops...

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Monday, December 19, 2005 - 8:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
I tend to “judge” people (or at least pay more attention to it) in different situations. For example, at work or while driving I tend to put people into groups depending on their actions. Maybe words too at work, if the words and actions match.

At work, given the current groups in management, paying attention and being aware of certain groupings is a matter of job survival.

One grouping I pay attention to is honest vs. dishonest.
I think this one speaks for itself. We have managers who out and out lie, although the lies aren’t the type that can get them fired—well, not that we can prove—but we see the results of them.

Another grouping is being supportive or not being supportive.
Or current management has created a net around themselves—they set everything up so they can blame someone else—they don’t take responsibility for their choices—it’s always someone else’s fault. If someone has a valid yet controversial point, the managers will back us only to the point of not having another manager or a higher manager even think of them as being in a negative light. In the past we’ve had managers who would fight for us if we were right. They didn’t mind taking a chance of being seen as something other than a complete latke. Now these folks would fire their own mother before having to even have to answer a question as to what they might have done.

Another grouping would be folks who can keep quite and ones who can’t.
I’ll give two examples of the negative. A staff member made a negative comment about our department manager. A person over heard the comment and ran to them and told her. The person who went to her is someone who is a severe brown noser. Just so happens our current managers love that. After our new manager was hired, he was let go because of “budget reasons”.

Another person told a new employee (a person he thought he had obtained a certain level of friendship) that his old manager (my current manager) was an a-hole and a liar. He had lied about Wayne and to Wayne. This new person who he thought he could trust ran to the manager he was speaking of. Wayne wasn’t even asked what took place—he just got a letter to his file from his manager.

Another grouping are the brown nosers and those who try to advance on their own merit.
These type of workers advance only because of managers who allow it to happen. Sadly, there are those who know how to do this, and are willing to use it when they find a manager who responds in a positive way.

Ok, for driving—there are two groups I’m most worried about, and actions on the road speak volumes.

First group is those who aren’t paying attention to what they are doing for whatever reason—putting on make up, shaving, reading the paper, talking on the cell phone, etc. Some can talk on a cell and pay attention to a decent degree—many can’t. So if I see someone on a cell, I am concerned till they drive to show they area ware and able to handle things. These people will not only kill themselves, they will kill someone else.

Next are those who only care about themselves and seem to believe whatever they have going on in life is much more important than whatever anyone else is doing. They are lane changers, they cut in front of others, they don’t signal, they run red lights clearly when they could easily stop. They rush to take a parking space when someone is waiting off to the side with signal on. I consider these people someone who could easily be one of the types of work people above. They are arrogant, self centered and selfish—only they are doing it with a weapon that weighs right in at a ton. And they could care less about anyone else.

In nonwork life and when I’m not on the road, I’m not too concerned if I run into these types, because I would have the option of avoiding them. I’d just shy away from doing what they are doing and I’d move to occupy a different space. I admit to getting frustrated by those who won’t contribute to society when they are perfectly capable. I’m frustrated with folks who are into life only for themselves—that it’s ok to do anything to anyone to get ahead.

Oh, I’m ISTJ—although just barely the S. I'm one of those guardians. And I do think it's important that I'm reliable--that I can be counted on to be there. It is indeed important to me (that may be good or bad--just the way I am)

Newman
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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 6:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Newman a private message Print Post    
Didn't have time to read the whole post, Lance.

I may have to take that test again. I find it interesting that Mocha and Me (and you) are both ISTJ. It doesn't seem like Mocha and me have anything in common.

That makes me feel that all of psychology is BS.

You and I tend to make these long, involved posts whereas others do the short, one or two line jabs. Where's the commonality?

Even you and me. I don't think about other drivers much. Why? Because I tend to be jotting things down on my notepad, multitasking as it were. If I see another driver weaving, let's say, then I'll either drop back and give him room or speed past her to get out of the way.

Maybe the difference is that I'm always driving, or so it seems.

Arrggghhhh...I think the jist of the post was how can people be of the same TYPE TALK, ISTJ for instance, and be so different? Doesnt' the J stand for Judging? What was the alternative letter at the end there, if you weren't a J? Late for work...


Schoolmarm
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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 6:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Schoolmarm a private message Print Post    
The alternative for J is P as in perceiving.

The initials for the categories are often misinterpreted by people. For instance, the E-I "label" of extroversion vs. introversion does not mean that you are talkative or shy, but that you get energy by being around people (E) vs. you re-charge your batteries and enjoy time alone (I). Most people who know me are surprised to find out that I am not a BIG E....oh, yeah, I'm an E, but barely.

I think that the easiest to understand is the thinking/feeling aspect of decision making. It doesn't mean that thinkers are smart or that feelers are emotional...it has to do with how you make your decisions and how you act in life.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

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Your Type is
ISTJ
Introverted Sensing Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
56 12 25 56

Qualitative analysis of your type formula

You are:

moderately expressed introvert
slightly expressed sensing personality
moderately expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed judging personality


Kearie
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07-21-2005

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I've always been interested in differences in personalities. Even as a teen I was fascinated with the Humoral Doctrines...the four temperments, sanguine, melancholy, choleric and phlegmatic.

I really like to figure out what makes people tick. Especially myself. Certain people fascinate me more than others. Some people I really admire and want to pick their brains...but I probably annoy them. Do I Lance? Most of the time I see these people as very different from me. I see Lance as similar to me in morals and ideologies, but he gets there a totally different way. I find him mentally stimulating yet at the same time, he's so many things I'm not. I don't see that as a bad thing...I see it as an opportunity to learn about people and myself.

The more I interact with Newman, the more fascinated I become. I want to understand why you seem so sad and bitter about so many things.
I sense Newman is really down and hurting emotionally. Newman seems very negative and that makes me feel sad. I want to know why? Why do you think the way you do? What makes you tick?
What makes you hurt?

Back to Lance...(I know, I'm babbling) I think Lance has a passion for people also...but he's an extrovert and I'm not. Gosh how I wish I could be an extrovert. Can you teach me how Lance?

Maybe I should quit wishing I could be an extrovert and start embracing the qualities I do have.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
I don't think psychology is BS. Newman started this thread to categorize people...that's what psychology is but based on years of research. Trying to understand human behavior/development.

Life experiences shade our perceptions of everything so even if there are basic similarities, there will be a vast array of differences. Not only in thinking, but also behaviors.

There will never be a perfect system to categorize people. That's what makes people so interesting. Don't discount psychology because people are different.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
Kearie, I'm very much an introvert. My score on the I part of ISTJ is in the 80 percentile. )My "S" is only at 1%--meaning I'm right on the line for that one) As Marm said, it's really an issue of energy level. I gain energy from interacting 1 on 1, and it really drains my energy level to be in a room full of people.

Newman commented that we both write long detailed posts. I laughed because my communication through writing has always been much different than my verbal communications. It's unusual for me ot halve a phone call longer than 3 minutes (non work related). Yet when I write, it's typically fairly long.

I wonder if the "negativity" I get from Newman's posts is from being a cynic? To me he's saying everything isn't peaches and cream and he's looking for answers. For me, it's something I do all the time, so it doesn't feel unusual to me.

Kearie, you haven't annoyed me when you have picked my brain.

Kearie, I think you make a good point that people can end up pretty much in the same place, however the path they took can be very different from that of someone else. Not good or bad--just two people being who they are.

Newman, I avoid those bad drivers too--I just get frustrated that they can think only of themselves in life.

I want people to be decent to each other. I know it won't ever be that way--but it doesn't stop me from wanting it. Just like I'll never be able to be perfect--but I'll never stop trying.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
I can't stand those selfish drivers either. But sometimes, when I'm in a hurry...I'm one of them.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

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I guess had I thought more about it, I would have recalled that you're pretty introverted in reality...like myself. On this board...I'm not so introverted.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

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SCHOOLMARM---thanks for explaining that.

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

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Your Type is
ENFJ
Extroverted Intuitive Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %
44 38 75 56

Qualitative analysis of your type formula

You are:
moderately expressed extrovert

moderately expressed intuitive personality

distinctively expressed feeling personality

moderately expressed judging personality

i will have to do more reading to see if i agree with all of this or not. the good news is that is lists both sean connery, johnny depp and tommy lee jones as the same - so is that why i am attracted to them?

Kearie
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07-21-2005

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I never posted this.

Introverted Intuitive Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %
67 12 12 44

Qualitative analysis of your type formula

You are:
distinctively expressed introvert
slightly expressed intuitive personality
slightly expressed feeling personality
moderately expressed judging personality

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
We used the test at work to help people figure out a career path. It was just one tool we used. For example..a counselor would work great with people in a caring capacity. It was amazing that a lot of caregivers and nurses had test results with that personality type.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 11:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I took the test a couple of years ago when I was in a developmental program at work but the test was more involved.

Newman
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09-25-2004

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Twiggyish, thanks for posting that link. I'll have to take the test some time. Looks like it got a lot of play from the peeps, and a lot of discussion and thought.

Lance, I liked your honest vs. dishonest grouping. That was one reason I never wanted to go into postal management. Managers have to lie. Maybe the word is more accurately pressure people. "You don't need overtime. You can do it in 8. You don't have that much mail. You're killing me, man!"

What's a "complete latke?" Well, I can guess. In the postal world our managers have never fought for us. Sometimes there is concern for the customer, service. Usually though everything is about the bottom line. Be back by 5pm so the boss can get his bonus. That's more important than losing a registered letter or so it seems.

We probably could use a whole thread on office politics.

I thought of two more groupings. One is aggressive vs. not so much. Some people, like me perhaps, really jump out there with opinions while others barely say anything or even just lurk.

On the aggessive side some people seem to have to put others down if they don't agree with their opinion. Arrgghhh...I'm fading here. Too tired to think straight. There is something I wanted to say about "group think". If you don't agree with the group you tend to get squashed.

Another area is thick skin vs. thin skin. I'm definitely of the thin variety. Sensitive. Even criticism from a stranger on the internet can ruin my whole day. Weird how that is...


Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Friday, December 23, 2005 - 6:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
It's a well known test. I think it's pretty accurate.

Dahli
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11-27-2000

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I found this to be stunningly accurate in pegging how I feel and think after answering only a few questions... since I've always thought I was an extrovert and most people would agree, this helped me understand why that perception can exist even though I'm an 'Introvert'

Beneath the quiet exterior, INFJs hold deep convictions about the weightier matters of life. Those who are activists -- INFJs gravitate toward such a role -- are there for the cause, not for personal glory or political power.
The concept of 'poetic justice' is appealing to the INFJ.

INFJs are not easily led. These are the people that you can rarely fool any of the time. Though affable and sympathetic to most, INFJs are selective about their friends. Such a friendship is a symbiotic bond that transcends mere words.

INFJs have a knack for fluency in language and facility in communication. In addition, nonverbal sensitivity enables the INFJ to know and be known by others intimately.


Introverted intuitives, INFJs enjoy a greater clarity of perception of inner, unconscious processes than all but their INTJ cousins. Just as SP types commune with the object and "live in the here and now" of the physical world, INFJs readily grasp the hidden psychological stimuli behind the more observable dynamics of behavior and affect. Their amazing ability to deduce the inner workings of the mind, will and emotions of others gives INFJs their reputation as prophets and seers.


INFJs are twice blessed with clarity of vision, both internal and external. Just as they possess inner vision which is drawn to the forms of the unconscious, they also have external sensing perception which readily takes hold of worldly objects


INFJs are distinguished by both their complexity of character and the unusual range and depth of their talents. Strongly humanitarian in outlook, INFJs tend to be idealists, and because of their J preference for closure and completion, they are generally "doers" as well as dreamers. This rare combination of vision and practicality often results in INFJs taking a disproportionate amount of responsibility in the various causes to which so many of them seem to be drawn.

INFJs are deeply concerned about their relations with individuals as well as the state of humanity at large. They are, in fact, sometimes mistaken for extroverts because they appear so outgoing and are so genuinely interested in people -- a product of the Feeling function they most readily show to the world. On the contrary, INFJs are true introverts, who can only be emotionally intimate and fulfilled with a chosen few from among their long-term friends, family, or obvious "soul mates."
Due in part to the unique perspective produced by this alternation between detachment and involvement in the lives of the people around them, INFJs may well have the clearest insights of all the types into the motivations of others, for good and for evil.


Usually self-expression comes more easily to INFJs on paper, as they tend to have strong writing skills. Since in addition they often possess a strong personal charisma, INFJs are generally well-suited to the "inspirational" professions such as teaching (especially in higher education) and religious leadership. Psychology and counseling are other obvious choices, but overall, INFJs can be exceptionally difficult to pigeonhole by their career paths.

In their own way, INFJs are just as much "systems builders" as are INTJs; the difference lies in that most INFJ "systems" are founded on human beings and human values, rather than information and technology. Their systems may for these reasons be conceptually "blurrier" than analogous NT ones, harder to measure in strict numerical terms, and easier to take for granted -- yet it is these same underlying reasons which make the resulting contributions to society so vital and profound.

Newman
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09-25-2004

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I'll try to take the test this weekend, when I have more time. I just assume I'm an "Intovert", because, well, I'm usually quite shy until I get to know someone new and feel comfortable. I don't like speaking in groups. Public speaking, ugh. And so forth.

But compared to some letter carriers I am an extrovert. I guess I shouldn't "assume" what my category is but I would be stunned if it came out as extrovert.