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Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I think the churches have the right idea. Many of them are just sending their church buses to the area, as close as they can get and picking people up off the streets and taking them out of there to care for them in their own towns.

Imagine how we could get help to all these people so much more quickly, if all the churches, or even just all the towns and cities would send a coupla buses down there to get some folks and bring them back to their cities to take care of them.

Better in private hands than in the hands of the government right now. At least that's what I think.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I've been out all day and the first thing I came home to was this thread. I don't often say this, but I'm glad I wasn't around my TV today. I'd be very very angry at a LOT of people [none here, bien sur]

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 3:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
I am not bothered by the looting that involves diapers, food and drink. The grinning kids, with 10 pairs of sneakers hanging off their necks, gave me pause. I still say, forget the looting. Insurance will cover the store damage and losses. Get the people out, instate Marshall law and shoot the criminals who are raping and firing at rescuers.

New Orleans could learn a lot from the state of Florida. We do hurricanes well, don't we Twiggy?

Lkunkel
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10-29-2003

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lkunkel a private message Print Post    
Cathie, that particular child is not the only one being transferred without parents. A lot of parents are shoving their infants and toddlers into the arms of non-parents who are on buses and promising to find them ASAP. Now, call me silly, but I know that if I had a mother desperately shoving her toddler to me, I would give up my seat so mother and child could go together. I know I would because even when waiting in the hot sun for a bus for an hour, the bus was packed and there was room for one, and while I had my walker, and the driver was going to let me on, I instead stepped aside for a mother and infant and waited another 45 minutes in 110-plus weather for a bus.

They need to prioritize the people evacuated and keep at least one parent with their child/ren.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 3:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
Karuuna, it is entirely possible that some churches may have thought twice about such an effort having seen and heard what some of these people are doing. I am not sure about bringing them into my community. Houston is already running into problems and it has only been hours. They have yet to police this crowd for a night. Unfortunately there are many good people but how do you know who you are getting in a random bus load?

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
Kar, I think you're spot on about the churches sending busses. This is definitely a time when it is better to beg for forgiveness than wait for permission.

I had to turn my TV off in favor of getting some work done, but first I transferred some stock and airline miles to the Red Cross. Still doesn't feel like I'm DOING anything to help, though.

The red tape involved in getting things done through government is normally frustrating, but in these conditions, it literally IS the difference between life and death for some of these people.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
God I love Anderson Cooper. See? There are positive things.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Herckleperckle a private message Print Post    
CNN's special edition on NOW (EST), introduced as saying this is going to shock you that this is happening in America. Police barricading themselves from snipers, etc.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I think Fruitbat is quite right. It is so sad that some rotten rotten people are making this so much harder than it already is.

Redstar
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07-08-2005

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redstar a private message Print Post    
I'm not ashamed of being American, and I've never been ashamed of being American any more than I would expect the average Iraqi to be ashamed of being Iraqi just because terrible things are happening in Iraq! I have been embarrassed by our government in the past, but I'm not embarrassed now. I'm just incredibly angry and frustrated.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
Our government horrifies me daily but I love this country.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
ROLF! Well she walked into the wrong fan! (CNN Anderson and the senator from LA) Oh god, this is good.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Herckleperckle a private message Print Post    
Anderson lost it there for a minute, did you notice? That baby has been found, for those of you not tuned in to CNN. The parents haven't known his whereabouts for 4 days. He is safe and sound in a hospital in Ft. Worth.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Fruit bat, I understand that, but at the very least, you could pick up folks from the Astrodome who have been screened for weapons. They say they will take everyone and then once they hit 25,000, they will still take everyone but move them on to other shelters. So go get a busload so that they can have more room there.

If you're nervous, just pick up a busload of elderly folks or women and children. There are people sitting in wheelchairs on highways!

As far as security goes, people are offering rooms in their homes! Better to bring 'em to your church and stick in the basement for awhile. We do it all the time at our church with the homeless, and these refugees fit that criteria.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Here are just some bits and pieces of emails I have gotten from friends..

From Florida...Our power was turned back on this afternoon about 4:00 and the kids are returning to school tomorrow. Our power was knocked out and we live two hundred miles away from NO.

It's hard for anyone that has not been through an evacuation or a hurricane to truly understand how the events take place. Because there is always a chance that the storm will turn away from a city, which it has for NO for many storms, it's hard to judge when to leave or to leave.

Then you have to have a vehicle and money to do so. Then if you have pets; what to do with them. We weren't in the brunt of this storm and it cost us $150. To gather water, food and gas for the vehicles and to run the generator.

When Ivan hit us last year we woke to house damage, no power, limited cell phone use, ice was low and no generator at the time. YOu can't go anywhere because power lines are down, trees are blocking roadways. Then a couple days later you start venturing out to find all stores closed, or if they are open, it is dark and everything is cash only because atms and card machines don't work.

Slowly you start to hear news on the radio where shelters are still open or places are open as drop off sites for ice, mre's and water. It seems like a slow process but it does eventually get better everyday.

However, we didn't have to deal with any floods. That of course worsens the process for NO. It slows down the search and rescue process while at the same time speeds up the contamination process.

Not to mention Slidell was hit hard, Biloxi, Gulf Port, Mobile...and all the towns in between.

I saw a water moccasion snake in our yard today. I can only imagine what is floating around in the flooded areas to our west. Icky and very dangerous.

This is our Tsunami. I haven't heard any mention from any other countries with words of support, volunteers, etc...maybe Hollywood will come around.


From NO (evacuated to Memphis)
I am at my lowest this morning. I can't stop crying.

My son called last night, he is stuck in Hammond, no food, no gas, no drinking water, no water, no money, no power. FEMA gave them one bag of ice and 5 MRE's yesterday, it is gone. I have no way to get help to him. Can't even call him, phones are out, when he called they happened to be where a landline was.

And, I just tracked my boss down @ his friends' house, he is heading home to get certain things, will pass thru Hammond, and pretty much refused to help son - after 25 years, this is what I get! Also told me to file for unemployment, no job now.

I a so upset right now, I don't know what to do!


From Baton Rouge...
For others, I honestly don't know what is needed right now. It's pretty much utter chaos and I don't know if anyone knows. When I find out a tangible way for you all to help, other than donation through Red Cross and stuff like that, I'll let you know.

There are starting to be a lot of riots at the shelters here, it's suggested that we don;t go to the grocery store alone because people are robbing for food. It's very desparate. I was called in to work today--like anyone really wants emergency speech therapy, but here I sit. I am on the list to go volunteer at the main hospital (I work at a clinic apart from the hospital) since we've taken in a lot of neonates and expectant mothers. We're a womens and childrens hospital.

I think the govt is probably doing the best they can under the circumstances. The mayor of N.O. has been absolutely phenomenal!! The governor and state senators, etc. are jumping in and working on evacuating people, getting supplies in, etc. it is just the incredible logistics of the whole thing.

***********


My heart hurts.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Herckleperckle a private message Print Post    
Gawd, this is breaking me up.

Jmm
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08-16-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jmm a private message Print Post    
Cathie, Can the baby they are talking about on CNN be the baby you all got? They are talking about a little newborn named Zachary.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Anderson is making me cry today. First with Sen. Landrieu and now this. As much as I complain about the media, some of it has been just wonderful in dealing with this tragedy.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Herckleperckle a private message Print Post    
He is honestly enraged--and totally engaged with the people victimized by this situation, isn't he?

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
Yes, I hear you Kar. Great idea. I was just musing that the situation **could** cause some would be rescuers to pause. That is all.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
Anderson is very emotional. Sweet man.

Cathie
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08-16-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cathie a private message Print Post    
Lkunkel, I understand and agree with what you posted above regarding parents pushing their kids on a bus by themselves. My original response was to your statement regarding children transferred without parents being told. The baby in Dallas is the only one of these I have heard about, but there could be many more.

Jmm, yes, I believe that is the baby at Dallas Children's. We received more patients at Cook Children's (Ft. Worth) as I was leaving work and they expect three more planes this evening, with patients of all ages. They are flying them in to the former Carswell AFB and they are being triaged there for distribution to area hospitals. There were 70 patients on the last flight, at least a couple of hundred more expected.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Want to know if your neighborhood flooded?
The Federal Emergency Management Agency has released helpful graphics showing flooded areas of five Louisiana Parishes on Tuesday and Wednesday, when floodwaters crested.

They also have county maps in Alabama, Florida and Mississippi. For former residents of those areas, the maps should provide a decent indication of whether their neighborhood flooded.

Blue, obviously, indicates flooded areas. Sadly, there's a lot of blue on the maps.

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
The 40-year-old Astrodome, once called the Eighth Wonder of the World, prepared for as many as 23,000 refugees.
The length of the evacuees' stay in the Dome is unknown. Some areas of New Orleans may not be habitable for months.

The Astrodome's new residents will be issued passes that will allow them to leave and return as they please, something that wasn't permitted in New Orleans. Organizers also plan to find ways to help the refugees contact relatives.

Stadium managers are working to get TVs for those who want to keep up with the latest on their drowning city. Organizers plan to use Astrodome kitchens and locker rooms to keep refugees fed and clean.

The Astrodome is prepared to accommodate refugees for a month and perhaps up to 90 days. Eckels said officials of the Federal Emergency Management Agency will try to move evacuees into temporary facilities closer to New Orleans in weeks, if not days. In many instances, the Dome will serve as a short-term shelter until more suitable quarters can be found, he said.



The Red Cross will run the Dome shelter. Evacuees will shower in four locker rooms once used by pro athletes.

They will dine from scores of buffet tables set up on one of the Dome's concourses. Aramark, which holds the concession contract at Reliant Park, will prepare hot breakfasts, cold lunches and hot dinners at Reliant Stadium and Reliant Center, the convention hall, and transport them to the Dome.

Aramark is food provider for the Houston Independent School District and several local hospitals and has the personnel to provide three meals and two snacks daily to the refugee contingent, said company spokeswoman Kathleen Keenan. It will bring in as many as 800 local workers to do the job.

When evacuees arrive, they will go through a screening that will steer the ill and contagious to hospitals, said Tim Kidwell, head of the Red Cross' local disaster services.

The Red Cross also was setting up a clinic, mental counseling services and a nursery.

FEMA will reimburse the county's costs, Eckels said.

The county also may make a second building available to evacuees. County officials will ask the Red Cross if it wants to house refugees in the former county jail on Franklin next to the Criminal Justice Center. The building has as many as 3,500 bunks.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory2/3334057



Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Desperate pleas for help (Keith Olbermann) link

If you have not yet seen the desperate pleas from people at the New Orleans Convention Center to NBC cameraman Tony Zumbado, they will run in full on Countdown tonight at 8 p.m. ET, and Tony is scheduled to join us.

We don't often 'pitch' you on specific items in the program but what Tony captured constitute transcendant images and comments from Americans who followed the rules and saw the system break down around them. [...]

And we'll premiere tonight a segment called "I'm Okay" — a small public service, suggested by a viewer, for victims who have not been able to contact relatives and friends in other cities, at the end of the hour.

E-mail: KOlbermann@msnbc.com