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Meli456
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05-01-2003

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 12:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meli456 a private message Print Post    
Max, I think the writer's intentions in that article was to point out that the federal government is lying to us. The article doesn't use the L-word, but verbatim quotes are placed side by side, highlighting the spin from Bush administration versus the reality of the people on the ground.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 12:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Also, I'm sorry if you did feel I attacked you. I know that there has been light political talk in this thread and it's hard to not talk about it without it, but I just think that articles that spotlight the political aspect should be in the other thread. I thought this thread was a place for people to talk about what was happening right now and how it was affecting them. If it gets too political people will quit posting in this thread.

Ddr
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08-19-2001

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 1:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ddr a private message Print Post    
Hi Guys!!! Finally got home from yesterday morning to take a bath and break. Will write later!!!









Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 3:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Thanks everyone, I really appreciate your comments. Juju, I am gonna take a break today.

Grace, Houston is at Sea level and built on bayous, should it not exist?

Az, I thought the same thing.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 4:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
I'm not going to argue with you, Meli. There is another hurricane thread where you can express your political opinion in detail.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 4:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
18,000 apartments across the state open to evacuees
Requirements waived, making families eligible to get voucher



AUSTIN - An estimated 18,000 vacant apartment units statewide opened for hurricane victims Friday when the federal government waived special income requirements, Gov. Rick Perry announced Friday

read more...
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3337506

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 4:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Religious groups launch effort to get meals to shelters in area for 30 days

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3337597

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 4:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
This looks like some very good news. It sounds like someone is in charge and really getting things organized and done down there now.

Lt. Gen. Honore a 'John Wayne dude'

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 5:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
Urgrace, I wonder the same thing.

Over 1/2 the city/area is dry with wind damage ranging from nothing to major repairs so it may come down to rebuilding parts of it but not others. The dry areas are lucky. The leevy broke on the other side of town, so they are not out of dangers way in the future.

It will be months before we hear anything but this interests me, as well.



Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 6:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Urgrace, I also wonder that as well. To me it makes no sense to build (and especially rebuild) a city that is UNDER sea level.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 7:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
There are so many cities at or below sea level. Do you not build in them? Like an earlier poster mentioned, what about the CA cities built on the fault line? Not to mention all those cities in tornado alley in the midwest..let's not build there either.

http://www.weather.com/newscenter/specialreports/hurricanes/vulnerablecities/index.html

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 7:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Why aren't the news agencies helping out? They are on site, they are there...why don't they bring in water, food and clothing?

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 7:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
One other note.. right after Charley we had every sort of semi truck filled food and water. We had hot meals from church groups, too. I know parts of those cities are still flooded, but what about the other parts? Where are the semis with food? Aren't they allowed in? By the way, the majority of food and help came from the Red Cross and private agencies. Campbell Brown on NBC this morning asked the same question. She said they were able to get into the harder hit areas. Why can't the relief groups get in, too?

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 7:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
If you would like to make a donation and know that it's going exactly where you want it. Woman's Hospital in Baton Rouge has been designated the place for all woman and babies. They need all sorts of stuff!!!!

http://www.womans.org/
I have a friend that works there and here is her email...

It is primarily a maternity hospital with the largest acute NICU in the state. We have received expectant mothers and very sick preemies from New Orleans and are bursting at the seams. Our department is gathering donations for the following items:

Diapers – all sizes
Sanitary napkins
Plus sized maternity clothes (200 – 400 # women)
Baby bottles – all sizes
Baby wipes
Any diaper rash ointment
New infant car seats


Marysafan
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08-07-2000

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 7:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marysafan a private message Print Post    
After the flood of 1993, the Mississippi river folks were told not to re-build on the flood plain. Insurance companies refused to insure them, and entire towns were moved or ceased to exist.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
Thanks Annie! I'm going to pass that one on and donate there.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 7:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
You're welcome! Thanks for helping.

Max
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08-12-2000

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
Putting on my official moderator hat now...

Folks, let's keep this thread for talking about what is happening without the political rhetoric. There's a thread in the News and Views area where you can explore the rhetoric to your heart's delight, but this one is in General Discussions and should have a different focus.

That's not to say that political issues won't surface here, but it's not the place for partisan politics, okay?

Azriel said it well, if it gets too political, some people will stop posting here. And some of those people really need the opportunity this thread, this board, this community offer to talk about the situation.

Thanks.




Lkunkel
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10-29-2003

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lkunkel a private message Print Post    
As a nation, we always seem to build in the illogical spots--Washington DC was built on swampland.

I know a number of people who were visiting Vegas from New Orleans have seen that they have nothing to go back to and, according to the interviews they're giving in the paper, have no interest in going back.

Last night, I watched more images of the children who were coloring in looted coloring books or those felt pictures until I was too sad, wondering how this was going to stay with them. What will they remember from this?

HBO, in coordination with the BBC, just did a special on the children of Beslan (the small town in Russia taken over by the Chechen terrorist on September 1, 2004). To see the footage of the children before and after the event, and hearing the children themselves say that on that day as they watched their friends, parents, and other adults they knew die in front of them that they became adults on that day, makes me think we'll be seeing some of the same reactions from the affected children.

Unfortunately, no amount of donations will bring back any of their innocence. One little one from Breslan, 7YO, said that each child received 15,000 roubles (that's how they spelled it; I thought it was rubles) while the adults received 20,000. He wondered how they determined the value of life.

As we hear about the Gulf Coast kids wading past bodies, or playing near bodies, I wonder what the children are learning about the value of life. I noticed that they interviewed one nearly hysterical 12YO; I couldn't believe they did that.

I wonder if anyone in charge is thinking about the future when PTSD sets in? Right now, people are either numb or angry.

Anyway, I'm just thinking aloud. A victim of not enough sleep myself I think. It will be an interesting to see how the long-term reactions manifest themselves and how we as a country support the evacuees months and years from now.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 9:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
I just got a call from BiloxiBelle. They are all ok, physically. Her house is flooded, but they are ok. She says its a war zone down there. National Guard is there. They have to watch over their homes to make sure they don't get robbed. Her son (pardon my short term memory, but I'm pretty sure she said it was her son) works at Pepsi, and they can't get out of their compound. She says as soon as she can send out text messages, she'll do so. I'm assuming cell phone service would still be sketchy down there now too.

I told her we are all thinking of her, and passed along our love to her. She says she loves us back. Bless her heart for calling. Amongst all she's going through, to think of us and let us know how she is.

Not1worry
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07-30-2002

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Not1worry a private message Print Post    
My cousin has expressed the desire to live in New Orleans again someday. He was born and raised in the Midwest and moved to NO after high school. I knew he loved it there, but it seemed it was the old, antique, historical NO that he loved.

My aunt and uncle who have moved near their daughter in Iowa, do not think they will return. Of course they only moved to NO last month!

My kids were trying to figure out where you could live that would be relatively free of natural disasters. I guess it depends on your opinion of blizzards.

My cousin was trying to rent a car so they could leave the kind lady that was housing them in New Iberia, LA. Naturally, there were no rental cars in most of the southeast. A flight would have been around $1200. Rationalizing that he would be needing to replace his car, he went ahead and purchased a new Saturn. Apparently the dealership was very compassionate and helpful to them.

Now that the shock has worn off, it is reported that they are considering this a fresh, exciting start and looking forward to what the future holds.

I wish that could be true for others.

Schoolmarm
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02-18-2001

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Schoolmarm a private message Print Post    
I'm wishing that I could send BiloxiBelle a case of industrial strenghth Lysol (used for cleaning barns), a breathing mask, two shovels and a dumpster for when she gets to cleaning out her home.

What the newspeople haven't been telling us is about the stench from flood water and sewage contamination. The mold will grow everywhere, and things will smell like dead fish for a long time. The heat down there will make the problems with contamination even worse.

Disease will be hard to control.

I am very concerned about the road system. Flooding will move or weaken bridge pilings and roadways. There may be many roads that are impassible, even with a four-wheel drive. I think that there are lots of bridges in the hurricane area. You can't get supplies in if the roads or bridges cannot take the weight of supply trucks. I am hoping that all the busses evacuating people all get out safely.

Hang in there, Biloxi and all of our southern friends.

And now, if ANY of us are EVER ordered to evacuate....do it! It is so much better to be safe that sorry. I was on a bus of sandbaggers when we were moved to higher ground during the flood of 1993. We ran to the bus when we go word that the levee would break. The water came up so fast, and up through the floor of the bus. We barely got out. <Marm doesn't mess with mother nature anymore!>



Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
The mold is overwhelming. It took us months to rid our home of it and the smell is horrible.

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
I feel pretty safe here in the Chicago area. There is an occasional tornado. Never experienced that myself. Remember strong winds with damage from fallen limbs and trees during my childhood years ('50s) -- not so much these days. As Not1 said -- blizzards. Guess I've experienced two, but only the big snow of January '67 made an impression. Got home from work fine on the Thursday when it started. Stayed home Friday. Back to work on Monday. Snow gets pushed around and melts. The biggest damage from it was the roof caving in on the local bowling alley. That was the end of the Villa Bowl.

Marysafan
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08-07-2000

Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marysafan a private message Print Post    
I am watching NASCAR Busch series qualifying. Justin Labonte who is sponsored by the Coast Guard said that he was told this morning that the Coast Guard has already rescued over 10,000 people. This is almost double the number of rescues they did all last year.