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Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 10:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
Sounds like they're re-running some of the CNN shows from earlier 'cause I saw Wynton Marsalis say that earlier tonight. :-) I totally agree with him.

The military are supposed to be on their way. They should be equipped with the ability to communicate via radios that the local officials probably don't have access to. FRS and GMRS radios are only good for line-of sight communication within a two to seven-mile radius, depending on the kind of radio you have. I'm not sure they would be effective given the amount of stuff going on, but it's hard to tell (and easy to second-guess :-)).

Communication and hierarchy issues are the root of many problems, not just in this situation, but in getting major things done in general. That's the core of why the levy system hasn't been fixed effectively despite years and years of the locals presenting plans for how it should be done. I hope that governments at all levels (city, county/parish, state, and national) all learn a little bit from this horrendous experience. Only time will tell, though, and it's hard to believe that career politicians will ever learn more than how to get re-elected. (Yes, I am a cynic.)

I just hope and pray that tomorrow sees some improvements in the process of getting those poor people out of there. Of course, that's just the start of things since so many have lost everything. But a start is a very good thing.

Sisalou
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07-12-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 10:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sisalou a private message Print Post    
i know that the hospitals have patients that need to be evacuated but has anyone heard what has happened to the patients at nursing homes? }

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
One of the things that can be confusing and maybe even misleading for those of us watching CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc. is that they show video over and over again and not necessarily in sequence. For example, that shot of the helicopter giving cases of bottled water to folks aired a lot today. I have no idea where that was -- could have been New Orleans or Biloxi or Baton Rouge or any number of other areas -- or even if the people getting the water were displaced folks or volunteers come to help out, much less when the shot was taken.

I keep remembering a recent episode of "Over There" where the reporter sent in his raw footage of a firefight and the station edited it in such a way that it ended up looking like something happened that really didn't.

I'm just sayin'. :-)

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Max, good post. There is plenty of blame to go around and I just hope everyone all over the country has learned how important your local and state government is and how important it is for your community/city to have a real plan for a disaster before it happens.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Max, another thing you have to remember is that we are getting our info from TV reporters who might say something with authority like they know what is happening or what is going to happen, but they might not have a freaking clue what they are talking about or may have got bad information from someone else or just be repeating rumors.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
I saw a report yesterday from Biloxi. They were talking to some people who said they were without food and water. The reporter said there was a place set up with food and water right down the road. The woman she was interviewing said she didn't have a car to get to it. The reporter ended up saying it would probably be 3 days before these people got food and water.

Well, there is food and water down the road. It's impossible for them this early in the disaster timeline to deliver food and water to ever household along the road. I thought this report was too much sensationalism.

If my family was out of water and there was water down the road, we would walk to the water. You have to take some responsibility for yourself in a disaster.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
I just heard that one of the reasons that not enough supplies were dropped at the convention center was that the helicopters that were trying to deliver the supplies were shot at. The helicopters moved to a different spot and hovered for as long as they could handing supplies out of the helicopter, but they had to leave because they were shot at again and it was too dangerous for them and the people trying to get the supplies from them.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
The buses are moving again from the Superdome.

Lkunkel
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10-29-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lkunkel a private message Print Post    
I can't link to this, because it's on AOL, but I found these two snippets interesting:

New Orleans Descends Into Anarchy
Relief Effort Called a 'National Disgrace'
By ALLEN G. BREED, AP

"Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers - many of whom from flooded areas - turning in their badges.

"'They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives,' Whitehorn said.

"Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, 'Go to hell - it's every man for himself.'"
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Sounds like the police are just as fed up and exhausted as the rest of the evacuees.

Having finally finished the 5-part report from 2002, I can more than understand why so many people are disgusted.

It also makes me more interested in finding out what Las Vegas' evacuation/emergency plan is. I think once the city determines what it is, they really need to inform their citizenry. A little knowledge beforehand would help toward making people feel less in the dark.
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Ddr
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08-19-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 2:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ddr a private message Print Post    
Hi Guys, just having a chance to check in. I'm still at the Welcome Center which is now being turned into a rest stop for the busses. We serviced uh...I don't remember anymore...how many busses today. From St. Bernard Parish, Ward 9 area, Superdome, those are the ones I remember.

Center will serve as only stopping point and is to be open 24 hours till everyone is out. We will serve water, MRE, bathroom break and will continue to give out diapers, formula (these all from donations in this area) to the babies.

We have FEMA trucks of water sitting outside and are waiting on the MRE trucks. Today we served donated food cooked locally, but with that many busses coming in we have to turn it over to MRE, we simply can't keep it up.

We were told that the last busses who stopped here were the last ones out of the Superdome. I'm not sure how accurate that is. In fact I have a hard time believing it.

I'll write more later, just wanted to give you guys an update. Everyone is so grateful and very courteous. We did have one woman who complained about a hair on her potato chip but that was about it, lol.

Probably 90% of the people who stop in are missing family members.

I'm changing my human interest tidbits to positive:

My favorite moment today: A woman who I hope I can keep in contact with after this said she just wanted a bubble bath. Went scrounged around the back and we found a small sample of bubble bath and a pack of baby wipes. She got such a kick out of that. She said thanks for making me laugh.

Oh another fav moment: Mom and Dad holding two year old. Two year old celebrated his birthday yesterday. We ran in back, grabbed a stuffed animal and all ran back in front and sang Happy Birthday to him.

Will write later, figure we should finish this by Sunday so I'll be here most of the time.



Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 2:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Thanks for checking in Ddr!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 2:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Thought this was interesting..before and after satelite pics of NO.
http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/05/09/01/satmap/satcom.html


Heyltslori
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09-15-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Heyltslori a private message Print Post    
Ddr...wow. You're an amazing person. Thank you for sharing your stories with us.

Redstar
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07-08-2005

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 5:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redstar a private message Print Post    
Ddr, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for taking the time to post!!! I hope your family is absolutely pampering you when you get the chance to go home for some rest.

In a strange way I'm kind of jealous of you. I am so frustrated by what I'm seeing on the news, and I bet I'm not the only one here who wishes she was closer and in a position to be able to help directly. I feel so helpless!

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Herckleperckle a private message Print Post    
Redstar, I second that.

Now we hear that the reports of the snipers was unconfirmed by the reporters, tv crews--and that the rumors circulating have been overblown--causing ambulance drivers to refuse to go into the area, etc.

The conclusion the Hardball guy (forget his name) who appeared on the Today Show is that the bottom line here is that racism is the root of the delays in this situation.

Lkunkel
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10-29-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lkunkel a private message Print Post    
I know that Task Force 1 [our group of specialists (Search & Rescue guys, doctors, etc.)] drove 30 hours from Vegas to help with finding survivors and bodies, and help with the medical stuff--plus they have a lot of supplies with them.

They have been diverted to Dallas and are on stand-by until they are allowed in. It is being considered too dangerous for search and rescue, according to TPTB.
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Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Herckleperckle a private message Print Post    
The black reporter who positioned himself (for NBC) at the Convention Center when he got a call from someone (a friend?) who was at the Superdome--who convinced him THAT was where the story was---said he witnessed for himself that only 2 helicopters have been there, that the water and meals were literally kicked out of the copter---like they were feeding cattle.

He said people did surge toward the food and water, but that no one was violent, just hungry. He said he and someone told them to make a chain, to allay fears that it was dangerous to come there. Not sure if they did from what he said. But the reporter said there is absolutely no danger at the Convention Center and these helicopters need to come now and bring supplies.

This is just so heartbreaking to me. I almost hope it turns out that the sniping WAS real, if you follow. To confirm the alternative feels even more horrific.

Mameblanche
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04-13-2005

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
At times like this, I am especially proud to be a Canadian. We love our American neighbours to the South, and when they suffer, we are always eager to help. Just like we did in 9/11 when we opened our doors to stranded airline passengers, when planes couldn't land in the States. Here's the latest news about our offer of assistance. Evidently Bush hasn't jumped at the offer. Um, what is he waiting for?
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/09/01/1197922-cp.html

Not sure if anyone is aware or not, but Fats Domino who was missing, has been rescued.
The only New Orleans resident I know of is Anne Rice (author Interview with the Vampire). I emailed her at her website, (haven't heard back, didn't expect to) and hope she is okay. Anyone have a clue how's she's doing?

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    

quote:

They have been diverted to Dallas and are on stand-by until they are allowed in. It is being considered too dangerous for search and rescue, according to TPTB.




I am just so angry right now. Why isn't there a battalion of Marines marching down the I-10 into New Orleans? Why aren't there paratroopers jumping out of planes with food, water, medicine and supplies?

Get in there, get the peace restored, make our friends, and family and countrymen safe, and GET THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF THERE!

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Anne Rice hasn't lived in NO for years; she lives in a gated community in Florida.

Members of Donna Brazille's family are missing, however.

Lkunkel
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10-29-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lkunkel a private message Print Post    
I think it is very telling that the reporters can go into the crowds and talk to people, and yet the police, etc. are afraid to.

I think people are swarming vehicles--not to commit violent acts--but to get out of there.

Watching CBS and the female reporter indicated that she saw no violence, just frustrated people trying to help each other.

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
Mameblanche, thank you and all of Canada for my Tamoxifen at a reasonable price.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
On the Today show, the reporter said that the looting reports are greatly exaggerated.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Ddr - again, I say prayers for you and all those that are in the center with you, and for all the lives you touch, with your healing presence of spirit, God Bless you indeed!! I have so many other words wanting pour out of my heart and into yours, but they just seem to pale in comparison to the actions you are doing. God be with you!! {{hugs}}

Thank you for the information from St Bernard Parish, yesterday on one of the news stations they had a call/report that no one was getting any help from St Bernard

The report from Charity hospital is horrifying.

I know there is a lot of debate on the "shoot to kill" from the Govenor. I only hope that it is for those that are snipers shooting at the rescuers. Someone on our radio from a suburb of NO was able to get a call from a neighbor, who was hysterical syaing that there are people with guns driving down the road, smashing into the houses, taking stuff, and leaving. The people that were looting for food and water, I believe ahve gotten any thing and everything that they could, so I believe there are a few "gangs" (as there are in any city - every city, and suburb) that are getting away with horrific crimes, that has to stop...

They showed pictures of Fats Domino and his family getting off a boat, he asked for privacy, but he is fine.

Solidad O'Brian (didnt she start at GMA, then Today Weekend?) She is on CNN, when she got ahold of the Director of FEMA, she let him have it, saying its now 5 days sir, with all due respect, he would interrupt and give a company line, she grabbed on to the basic fact and nailed him... later President Bush said the response was unacceptable.


There is a report on CNN talking about trying to help Charity Hospital, they are getting fuel now, Lifeteam is donating time and man hours to get people from hospitals out.


Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
That's right, when talking to Solidad, he did blame the levees for all the problems, Solidad talked about communication, what's being done, he kept going back to the levee breaks, then she asked about the 15,000 at the convention center, and he said there are so many pockets of refugees that they dont know about - - that's when Solidad lost it, getting angry saying we showed those pictures on Tuesday, its Friday sir, what are you doing for those people, dropping food from the sky one time is not helping the situation - and she made some comment about watching the reports, and they would help cooridate with their reporters in the field!!