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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:34 am
2 people died from their injuries according to the Houston medical examiner on the bus, and one died upon arrival.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:38 am
THis makes my blood boil (from the Chicago Tribune) In the parking lot of the county complex in Gulfport was filled with motor coaches owned by FEMA and the MS Emerg Mangmt agency, restaurants, such as Outback steakhouse, set up tents in the parking lot, giving plates of hot food to hordes of rescue workers.. Residents, however were not invited... In Biloxi, rescue workers there had run so low on food and water Wed that they had to raid a grocery store across the stree for food.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:54 am
There's a doctor on now from Baton Rouge talking about the need to get everyone out of the hospital (not sure which one) in NO today. When a reporter asked about the hospital staff using food and water and not letting others who need it have the same thing, he said, "These are the most perverse decisions you can ever imagine havingn to make," and explained that those who are trained to help the sick have to stay healthy themselves or everything will crumble. He said if they don't get everyone out today, people will continue to die and he is worried about the staff as some of them are at their breaking point. ETA: I'm watching a live video stream from WWL Channel 4 out of Baton Rouge.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:54 am
Thanks for the reports, Reader, Lkunkel, and others.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:55 am
Okay, he's talking about Charity and University Hospitals which are two buildings on the same campus in NO.
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Meli456
Member
05-01-2003
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:02 am
Ugh, I'm watching NO's local WWL converage streaming online and Bush was in the background on TV. I wasn't even watching and only half listening, but I could still HEAR him smirking!!! All of those people are dying because he needed to pencil in a photo op while supplies are arriving! Rove must be so proud, I'm sure the split-screen coverage was exactly what he was shooting for. Notice Bush's body language during that one stop... he couldn't look the camera or anyone around him in the eye. Kept looking down or off to the side, shifting foot to foot, doing that crazy cud-chewing movement with his jaw. What leadership, indeed.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:13 am
And the ripples begin. A rep from the LA Dept. of Labor is saying that they have had 4,000 requests for unemployment insurance in a day and a half; that's about what they usually get in a month. They expect to have something like 750,000 requests. He acknowledges this is not a matter of life and death right now, but it is to these people. Compounding the situation is that people don't have addresses. Homes, businesses, jobs, everything is wiped out. The ripples to this are going to be immense. If you think the federal deficit is bad now. . .
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Meli456
Member
05-01-2003
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:17 am
Its just cheaper to let them dehydrate or get disease and die, isn't it? This wasn't incompetence, this was intentional! It wasn't so clear a few days ago but its plain as day now.
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:18 am
This is a message we received at work today: "Do you know anyone in Texas as an evacuee from any of the three states Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama? If so, the Texas Department of Health and Human Services will give them 2 months of Food Stamps with no questions asked. All they need to show is a drivers license. This agency will also give you information and locations where they can receive FREE GAS. Also,if you are housing anyone from one of these states you can call FEMA at (800) 621-3362 file a claim and receive assistance for your help. This is valid information directly from TDHHS. below is the site to find a location near you http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/"
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:23 am
Meil, with all due respect, I think your last statement is a bit over reactive. I understand that you're upset -- we all are. But to imply that there is some kind of plan to leave people there to die from dehydration and disease is a bit over the top. No matter what we think of the folks at the top, there are LOTS of people on scene who are doing all they can to help the victims. Certainly there are problems and there are plenty of politicians to point fingers at, but it's not fair to imply there's a plan in place to let people die.
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:23 am
Meli, as not only an American, but as a human being, I have to say your statement really offends me.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:25 am
Yall might be offended but she has a point. America was able to send a ton of aid to the Tsunami victims much quicker than they're doing here. Why is that?
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:26 am
Geez, I wish there was interactive TV where I could reach through the screen ant smack President Bush! He keeps talking about how there's going to be a "new Biloxi" out of the rubble and he keeps that smirk on his face and it makes me sick how he's patting all the leadership folks on the back verbally while people in NO and other parishes we have hardly heard from are dying. This is NOT a time for political posturing and taking "little chopper rides" to sight see. This is a time he should be saying, "Folks, I'm here to work, not have a press conference. Now, let's stop talking here so I can go and help make sure the rescue teams and supplies get deployed to where they're needed most. Thank you." Instead, he's sitting there talkinga bout how the war in Iraq is still important.
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Meli456
Member
05-01-2003
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:27 am
What about Dennis Hastert saying that we shouldn't even rebuild NO? Sorry, this is just beyond incompetence. Bush doesn't have a problem with killing people, just look at what he's done to Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention our own troops. I hope I am wrong, that's all I'll say. The American people deserve better.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:28 am
Mocha, I totally wonder that myself. I agree with what Mayor Nagle said about it in that CNN interview. And I do have to wonder if these victims in NO were from the Garden District instead of the poorer parishes if the response time would have been dramatically different.
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Meli456
Member
05-01-2003
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:32 am
I'm sure some of you have seen this on the CNN coverage. I can't figure out how to post the link because its java, but you can browse the CNN video archive for this clip from yesterday: 'Modern day genocide' New Orleans resident Alan Gould describes the dire situation for the thousands holed up inside the New Orleans convention center (Sept 2)
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:33 am
When a dear friend lost her home in a storm I was "Johnny on the spot" to help her, get her assistance, clean up etc. But when my own place was damaged it was a different story - the logistics was overwhelming, the shock, trees everywhere, no power.... it was hard to cope and get it together. I think it is sometimes easier to help when you are on the outside looking in then when you are on the inside looking out.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:34 am
You know, for all President Clinton's faults, I sure wish it was him we were hearing talk about the situation instead of President Bush. President Bush just does NOT come across as sincere or caring to me. He smirks, he laughs inappropriately, he just does not seem to address the issues that are most important to the people directly involved. He always turns it back around to boost his own political agenda. President Clinton, for all his faults, has an ability to come across as sincere and caring and earnest. He's very charismatic, while President Bush simply is not. I don't know that Clinton would be doing things any better -- it's impossible to tell -- but I sure would rather listen/see him talk than Bush.
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Lkunkel
Member
10-29-2003
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:34 am
Yankee: I posted that articles a day or two ago. Scary isn't it? Meli: I've come to believe that that is true. Max: I think that was the same doctor on earlier who I quoted.
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Max
Moderator
08-12-2000
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:21 pm
Some good news: They're talking with a woman from Charity hospital. She's saying that evacuations are under way "full swing" and that the last of their critical patients was evacuated a little bit ago. She was surprised to hear that there had been reports of civil unrest in the area suspending evacuations earlier. She said people are getting out now and it's going well. Says no staff has left yet, they will be last to go. Family members are starting to go, but some are refusing to go without their staff member relatives. She said that was just a momentary emotional thing and will be resolved. Staff is still busy with patients. She said, to her knowledge, no one has died there that wouldn't have died anyway -- in other words, no one has died from causes directly related to the disaster. They are short on water and food, but are still getting enough. The doctor earlier who had reported about conditions there had said the staff was using IVs to sustain themselves; she hasn't heard that at all. She said they could probably hold out for another two or three days if needed, but they are hoping to get out by tomorrow. She says there are ceiling tiles and such that have fallen and some broken glass, but nothing that can't be pushed out of the way. They did not lose all their windows, only some of them. The staff that is there has been there since Sunday morning. There's water in the basement, but the first floor is dry. All in all, it sounds like another communication breakdown occurred here. That is, the doctor in Baton Rouge (I think that's where he was) earlier painted a much bleaker picture of conditions at Charity Hospital than this person who is actually there is reporting. That's good news, but still another example of communications breakdown.
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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:32 pm
Well, I did hear that at Charity, the nurses were having to hand pump (oxygen?) to patients on ventilators due to the power shortage. So that was an ongoing duty that had to be fulfilled for about (I think) 14 patients.
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Meli456
Member
05-01-2003
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:32 pm
Katrina Aftermath Raises Questions of Race Largely Poor, Black Survivors Deal With Charges of Lawlessness, Loaded History Today, some civil rights leaders joined in questioning whether race played a part in the emphasis being placed on targeting those who have been labeled as looters... In an exclusive interview with President Bush Thursday, ABC News' Diane Sawyer also addressed the issue of the looters. "Many of them going in have said, 'We're only going in because we're desperate. We need shoes to walk around in because our feet are being cut. We need for our children.'" "I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this," answered the president. Two photographs, which were distributed this week, also added to the tension surrounding the looters. One, which was distributed by the Associated Press, showed a black man in chest high water and included the phrase, "after looting a grocery store," in its caption. A second photograph, which was distributed by another agency, showed a white man and woman. Its caption included the words, "after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store." That description has since been changed. MORE
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Ginger1218
Member
08-31-2001
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:36 pm
Intentional??? Intentional? I am absolutely amazed at that statement.
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Ginger1218
Member
08-31-2001
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:36 pm
And find it extremely offensive.
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Meli456
Member
05-01-2003
| Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:42 pm
"When you are offended at any man's fault, turn to yourself and study your own failings. Then you will forget your anger." ~ Epictetus
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