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Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 3:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
That's trying to make things work! It's so easy to get married and divorced or annulled anymore. Why even marry?

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I guess she didn't think his tractor was sexy.

I'd never heard of him before she married him. Now I can go back to that space.

This reminds me of Renee Z sending flowers to Kathy Griffin on My Life on the D List and Kathy freaking out. At least I know Ms. Z has a good sense of humour.

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 3:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
What a joke! Now, where are the picket signs about how Hollywood/Famous folks are ruining the sacred institution of marriage.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Wow that was fast. But they're as human as we are.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 4:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
Tishala, the flowers to Kathy were just hilarious! Kathy was too funny about that.

Westtexan
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07-16-2004

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 7:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Westtexan a private message Print Post    
Just heard about Renee Z and Kenny C splitting up. They are getting an annullment. How does that work? Why not a divorce? I always thought that to get an annullment, the couple had to be married less than a year(they meet that criteria) and that one of the parties had to prove that there was some sort of deceit by the other party, somehow one was mislead. Is that right? If so, I wonder who is claiming what and of course, I'm sure, we will never know.

I also thought that anullments were a Catholic thing, but I have known couples who weren't Catholic and still got an annullment.

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 7:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
hmmm, good question westtexan. i didn't take the time to google. i always thought it was you could try to get an annulment after 6 months. forget if there were any conditions.

yep, i also remember something about thinking it was a Catholic thing. hmmm, i remember a "kennedy" trying to get an annulment and thinking it was ridiculous (nothing to do with 6 months though).

my memory is failing me in so many ways on this subject. darn, i should have googled before posting, so i don't sound so stooopid.

but, i'm doing a few other things right now.

anyone?

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 7:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
okay, i did one quick search...so may not be accurate:

Grounds for annulment vary slightly from state to state. Generally, an annulment requires that at least one of the following reasons exists:

Misrepresentation or fraud -- for example, a spouse lied about the capacity to have children, falsely stated that she had reached the age of consent, or failed to say that she was still married to someone else.
Concealment -- for example, concealing an addiction to alcohol or drugs, conviction of a felony, children from a prior relationship, a sexually transmitted disease, or impotency.
Refusal or inability to consummate the marriage -- that is, refusal or inability of a spouse to have sexual intercourse with the other spouse.
Misunderstanding -- for example, one person wanted children and the other did not.
These are the grounds for civil annulments. Within the Roman Catholic Church, a couple may obtain a religious annulment after obtaining a civil divorce, so that one or both people may remarry, within the church or anywhere else, and have the second union recognized by the church.

Most annulments take place after a marriage of a very short duration -- a few weeks or months -- so there are usually no assets or debts to divide, or children for whom custody, visitation, and child support are a concern. When a long-term marriage is annulled, however, most states have provisions for dividing property and debts, as well as determining custody, visitation, child support, and alimony. Children of an annulled marriage are not considered illegitimate.

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hmmm, i imagine nevada has some sort of condition about being under the influence of drugs/alcohol. (britney?)




Westtexan
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07-16-2004

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 7:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Westtexan a private message Print Post    
Well, I googled annullment and this is what I found. (It was a quick googling and better explanations may be out there. I did read that getting a no fault divorce is often easier than proving grounds for an annullment.)
Reasons for annullment:

1. either partner does not, or can not, consumate the marriage (seriously doubt this is the reason.)

2. either partner did not consent to the marriage. (Did Kenny drug an unwitting Renee or did she force him down the aisle with a rifle)

3. either partner was not mentally competent to consent to the marriage. (too drunk on the wedding day to make a good decision)

4. either partner was suffering from a sexually-transmitted disease. (interesting!)

5. the woman was pregnant by another man. (scandalous! but obviously Renee isn't expecting)

So which one was it??? I'm betting #3. One of them or both are claiming that they weren't competent to make the decision to get married.

Westtexan
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07-16-2004

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 7:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Westtexan a private message Print Post    
Wow Abby. You posted while I was typing. Your research was better than mine. It seems like I saw a Barbara Walters special with Kenny C and he wasn't a partier at all. So I doubt the drug/alcohol addiction on his part. I might be wrong. And Renee doesn't seem to fit that profile either.

I wonder if it were the children thing. One of them doesn't want children and they never discussed this before getting married.

Maybe it's just that they decided that they just don't want to be married, not compatible, and not really anything worthy of an annullment, but because they don't want a messy divorce dividing up assets, an annullmnet is easier. Or maybe one of them is Catholic and wants to remarry and have their marriage recognized in the church.

Anyway, I like both Renee and Kenny and hoped that they would be happy. I usually don't care for flippant attitudes about other people's difficulties, but this was such a quick romance, marriage, and now split up, that I just can't help being flippant about it. I feel a little bad about not feeling a little bit bad for them, but just a little bit.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Annulment avoids the messiness of communal properties and lawyers fees attached to divorce. But then Chesney is not really allowed to sing old Tammy Wynette songs either, I guess.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 12:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
"sure was fast! too bad our editing time was shortened here at TVCH. we could have just deleted the original post about the marriage :>)"

Hilarious Abby!!!

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 8:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Britney's delivery details

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
Renee filed for annulment with fraud as the reason.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
"Fraud" for an annulment ... what does that mean? Has anyone heard of that before??

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I didn't know he was a cowboy? I didn't know he was a singer? I didn't know he was bald? I didn't know he was engaged before? He said he'd move to my house, but stayed in Tennesee?

So many things......teaches you to get to know your partner before jumping over the broomstick.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 10:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
Maybe he really isn't bald.....

Marej
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09-20-2002

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 10:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marej a private message Print Post    
I'm surprised at the fraud claim. I thought Renee was a smart cookie.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Zellweger Explains Legal Terms of Breakup

Landi
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07-29-2002

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 11:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
i was thinking along the line.. "he didn't tell me he was shooting blanks!"

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
In most states, I think, fraud is grounds for annulment (as opposed to divorce) where a misrepresentation of a material fact has taken place. There was one annulment here where the wife of a deputy sheriff had years previously stolen the identity of a nurse, and was practicing medicine on that woman's nursing license. It all came out when she swore to the fraudulent information while sitting on a murder trial jury. The murder conviction was overturned, the doctor she worked for had the shit sued out of him and the deputy sheriff got an annullment because he thought he had married one person, and it turned out she was another. He never knew his wife's real name until it showed up in the papers, I don't think. Anyway, this is an extreme case of fraud/annulment entitlement. There have long been rumors that Chesney is gay or at least bi, so if it's true and she was unaware of it, that could be the "fraud" she is alluding to.

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 11:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
Maybe his tractor wasn't as sexy as she thought it was.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
LOL!

She says the word, "fraud" is a legal term. It's not what we think.

I think it's a money thing. He probably misrepresented his income/assets and debts.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 1:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
These quick hollywood marriages such as
Brittney
Lisa Marie
Drew Barrymore
And Now Renee

Are an insult to marriage itself.

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Friday, September 16, 2005 - 7:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
lol weiner!

wasn't there a seinfeld where the tractor was suspected of transmitting a sexual disease? maybe there is a third party involved here....the tractor!