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Ginger1218
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08-31-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ginger1218 a private message Print Post    
I am offended by your statement, not by any man's Fault.

Meli456
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05-01-2003

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I'm offended by people who voted for Bush and allowed this catastrophe to happen, not to mention I am offended by Bush lying to us in the face of reality yet again, so we're even.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

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We should be too big to take offense and too noble to give it.
Abraham Lincoln

Ginger1218
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08-31-2001

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<shaking my head> pathetic

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

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That's a really good quote Terolyn.

Meli456
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05-01-2003

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Critical thinkin', like presidentin', is *hard work*.

~ Meli456

Beachcomber
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08-26-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beachcomber a private message Print Post    
Louisiana has a Democrat governor and NO has a Democrat mayor, shouldn't they be responsible for what has happened also? For goodness sakes, lets don't turn this into a cheap political discussion.

What has happened in Ms and Al and other parts of La is a catastrophic disaster, but what has happened in NO is a disaster that has been waiting to happen for over 100 years and the poor planning and disaster recovery of the city and state has certainly been a key part in what we are seeing. The state and city knew that the Army Corps of Engineers and the Fed Govt were cutting back work on the levees for years, why did they not plan accordingly to evacuate and care for displaced residents in case of a disaster?

Redstar
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07-08-2005

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Kids, we're edging close to personal attacks here... everyone take a deep breath and remember that emotions are running high, but let's not attack each other. We are not each other's enemies, here.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

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Julie, its one of my favorites.


Meli456
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05-01-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meli456 a private message Print Post    
Why did the the Army Corps of Engineers and the Federal Govt cut funding for the levees that they knew were going to break? We have $1 billion per day to throw away in Iraq and we can't secure a major American city? The funds were diverted to Iraq and the local politicians have been begging for money since 2003. It's not laying blame, its about something that did not have to happen and we can't just say "oh well" when it could have been prevented.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

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Quotes to ponder by Abraham Lincoln

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Abraham Lincoln

I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.


I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong.


Meli456
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05-01-2003

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Remain Silent! LINK

As they've done after every crisis, right-wingers are insisting that to question the Bush administration is unpatriotic. But no one should be afraid to hold our incompetent leaders to account.

For the third time since George W. Bush became president, Americans are paying a catastrophic price for bad government. As the costs are tallied once more in death and dollars, we are being told that the wise and patriotic thing to do is shut up -- as if good citizens are obliged to remain silent about unwise and incompetent leadership.

Honest political debate over how and why we lost the great city of New Orleans, according to the latest dictates from the right, means "an excess of recrimination," "finger-pointing" and "villain hunting." Such a "vulgar" exercise risks overshadowing our normal national unity and generosity in confronting disaster with "divisiveness" and "partisanship." We are piously advised instead to do good and find common ground, to "be humble, compassionate and helpful." Thus speak the sages of the New York Post and the Wall Street Journal....

So we are not to mention the downgrading of the Federal Emergency Management Agency from a Cabinet-level agency to a neglected sideline of the Department of Homeland Security. We must not say that FEMA was turned away from its mission when the president replaced its superb director, James Lee Witt, with political cronies who knew nothing about disaster planning. We cannot talk about the consistent underfunding of the Army Corps of Engineers, whose efforts to rebuild the Louisiana levees practically halted because of budget cuts last year. Above all, we must never, ever ask whether global warming might be making the annual perils of tropical weather systems much, much worse.

Beachcomber
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08-26-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beachcomber a private message Print Post    
It would be wonderful if NO had levees that withstood Cat 5 Hurricanes, but they don't and is it really the fed govt's responsibility to upgrade those levees from its current Cat 3 level to a Cat 5 level? IMO, no.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

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Well, the efficacy of the levee required review. Upon review, it was found to be lacking; it needed 'fixing.' The federal government issues bonds and grants and loans to cities because that is part of what we choose to do with our tax money. They DO and DID have a responsibility, but so did the local government. It is going to be far more expensive to resolve this situation NOW than it would have been to 'fix' it earlier--and not just in terms of money.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
BTW per Dennis Hastert, he did say it, but he did apologize, I believe I heard his explanation as being that it was so catostrophic that he didnt want to put the people in harms way again as the levees werent holding etc... but again, he is apologizing, I'm sure many people looking and walking thru the devestation may have thought the same thing, but then no way...


I believe I overheard Justice Sandra Day O'connor on the first day asking about NO< and making the statement that the city is the most unique in America and we have to do everything to save it.

Meli456
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05-01-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meli456 a private message Print Post    
Yes it is, an act of Congress was passed in 1996 to deal with it and prepare LA for a catagory 5 hurricane. Bush slashed the funding to complete the project knowing what the consequences were:

Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen?

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Also, Ed McMahon was on talking about 8 hours of the telethon monies will go to the hurricane - and he is really concerned because "we need the money too" last year we were down 1 million dollars because we couldnt broadcast to FL, only 1 station in all of Florida. If your were going to give $20, give $20, but give $10 to the hurricane too...

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Hindsight is always 20/20.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
also on CNN "The black caucus stands for ALL americans" I am tired of the media calling them refugees, they pay taxes like ALL AMERICANs, this is AMericans" call them Americans...

they are evacuated and they look like they could come from somalia,

thats right, but they are AMERICANS

(talking about race factor, had it happened in a pred white the govt would have responded faster says Wolf)

He is talking about reconstruct, and talking extremely positive, later, what if, do the best we can with what we've got. People are in pain, we must stand up for the people, by the way the people that are calling us are ALL AMericans that dont like what they are seeing!!

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
For some reason the Black Caucus group is making the most sense, they are not screaming blame, they have been very articulate, and not blaming, or pointing, they are trying to get the basics done,

people in a civic center and we cant get diapers, or water to them "Give me a break" I didnt catch his name, but he is a Congressman and the head of the black caucus group...

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
A woman fell down, the police just shrug, they have no recourses, they are putting dead bodies in the restrooms, they are just sitting there in the sun, rotting

Not sure where this reporter is... "we've heard wild reports at night, the tide has turned here the rioting and looting has stopped, a huge presence, just there presence on the street has made a huge difference, they are now getting food and water as long as they can walk, many cannot, and if they fall, no one is there to help them, one lady just fell, and began culvulsing, but there is nothing or no one to help her...



Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Btw the Congressman talking I quoted above was Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, D-Md.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Mississippi river is open to commercial traffic on a limited basis... restrictions..

CNN showing an update from the coast guard etc...

A graphic report from an AP reporter, fromhis dispatch... Necessity has forced police to become looters, naked babies wail for food as many get drunk on stolen liquor. Punctuated by moments of grace.

President is on the ground in NO - with the MAYOR!!

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
(that was according to CNN, then they cut to comercial!)

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I'm offended by people who voted for Bush and allowed this catastrophe to happen,

Because all of Bush's voters were psychic, meli.