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Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Definately Kady, please know we are praying.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
True Or False: E-Mails Spread Stories About Dome
False: Crime Increased Around Dome

POSTED: 3:04 pm CDT September 2, 2005
UPDATED: 3:11 pm CDT September 2, 2005

HOUSTON -- E-mail is great form of communication, but don't believe everything you read about life inside and around the Astrodome, Local 2 reported Friday.

False

One e-mail circulating refers to someone being raped inside the Astrodome.

Harris County spokesman Gloria Roemer said the Command Center has not received any reports of sexual assaults at the dome.

False

Another common e-mail says that carjackings, lootings and vandalism have occurred in the Astrodome area.

The Houston Police Department said it has not received more than the usual calls from that area.

Possibly True

Another e-mail warns that convicts were included with the Superdome evacuees.

Roemer said the Command Center was told 100 prisoners might be among those evacuated.

The Fort Bend County Sheriff's Office said it heard that inmates from the New Orleans city jail were the ones released, which would mean they were serving time on misdemeanor and not felony charges.

True Or False: E-Mails Spread Stories About Dome
False: Crime Increased Around Dome

POSTED: 3:04 pm CDT September 2, 2005
UPDATED: 3:11 pm CDT September 2, 2005

HOUSTON -- E-mail is great form of communication, but don't believe everything you read about life inside and around the Astrodome, Local 2 reported Friday.

False

One e-mail circulating refers to someone being raped inside the Astrodome.

Harris County spokesman Gloria Roemer said the Command Center has not received any reports of sexual assaults at the dome.

False

Another common e-mail says that carjackings, lootings and vandalism have occurred in the Astrodome area.

The Houston Police Department said it has not received more than the usual calls from that area.

Possibly True

Another e-mail warns that convicts were included with the Superdome evacuees.

Roemer said the Command Center was told 100 prisoners might be among those evacuated.

The Fort Bend County Sheriff's Office said it heard that inmates from the New Orleans city jail were the ones released, which would mean they were serving time on misdemeanor and not felony charges.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
((((((((Kady))))))

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Airlines To Conduct Airlifts In New Orleans

POSTED: 1:54 pm CDT September 2, 2005

DALLAS -- The nation's major airlines said Friday they have begun flights designed to airlift more than to 25,000 people stranded in New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina.

The evacuees will be taken to Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio and other sites picked by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, officials said.

The airlift was organized by the Air Transport Association, a trade group for the major carriers, after several carriers began plans to conduct their own mercy flights.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/4930301/detail.html

Lkunkel
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10-29-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lkunkel a private message Print Post    
In that case, then, it means that the federal government had no reason to not evacuate the Dome sooner. Not believing the tales means that the aid providers were dragging their collective feet.

I think they were better off letting people think it was true. Just MHO.

Meli456
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05-01-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meli456 a private message Print Post    
What LK said.

Did that come from the Ministry of Peace, Truth, or Plenty? Enquiring minds want to know!

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
WEll I wonder about one rumor from the Astrodome didnt come from reports that a man was arrested for being in the woman's shower. I saw the video of the police putting a man in the car, and an official (I cannot remember any details) said that "This will not be tolerated in Houston, we will deal with offenders"

A trucker cant afford diesal fuel stopped to volunteer, he is sweeping, carrying cases, and transporting as necessary, his vehicle was towed, but of course they will fix that...

Houston officials said they were expecting 5% of the evacuees to need medical care, its looking more like 20%, he also said they are treating approximately 150 people an hour in the Astrodome medical facilities.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
LK I dont understand your statement? When you say the aid providers were dragging their collective feet. Do you mean FEMA? or the people that were inside the Superdome?

Lkunkel
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10-29-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lkunkel a private message Print Post    
FEMA, and everyone else who promised water and food for the last three days. But were afraid to go in because of all of the violence.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
thanks for the clarification.. MSNBC just did a report from Houston. The evacuees will get a zipcode, or the Astrodome/Relliant Center so they can receive mail.

An interesting point, by not allowing the media access, it seems to have perputated the violence, out of sight out of mind? It also will esculate rumors. There is no doubt the conditions were horrific, but how are you going to figure out how many rapes? How many murders should be easy if they were with bullets, (counting bodies) but can they prove if someone jumped or was thrown off the balcony (as someone stated)
This would be another example of how rumors can escalate. One Fox reporter talking to someone who left the Superdome asked, just tell me what YOU experienced... he kept wanting to say "I heard people were gettting raped"...

again, it happened, I'm not saying that.

Lkunkel
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10-29-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lkunkel a private message Print Post    
I posted the zipcode early today.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
msnbc is reporting on the number of patients at the airport. 800 to 1,000 people being processed. They are the weakest, most vulnerable, one man, weakly called out, I went over and he just wanted water, (shows him pouring drops of water for the elderly gentleman) The reporter went over to two younger men ( maybe in their mid twenties) they were beaten in the superdome, one of their friends was beaten to death. Talked to a woman who just began chemotherapy. "I've got bone cancer, I know without treatment, I dont have long to live"

msnbc

Meli456
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05-01-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meli456 a private message Print Post    
Still no National Guards in St. Tammany Parish (WWLTV)

Live interview with Kevin Davis, St. Tammany Parish President. He still hasn't seen any federal help, not even any contact. He has to go to Baton Rouge to beg for supplies from locals.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Aaamazing grace, how sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost, but know I am found
Was blind but now I see.


Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Just my thought but perhaps the reason the media is not being allowed full access at the Houston Astrodome is to give these poor folks some peace. Perhaps they just want them to have Sanctuary.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
nah, it's gotta be a plot against the rest of us, cause we are entitled after all to know every single ounce of those poor peoples suffering........

Meli456
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05-01-2003

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The big disconnect on New Orleans
The official version; then there's the in-the-trenches version


NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Diverging views of a crumbling New Orleans emerged Thursday. The sanitized view came from federal officials at news conferences and television appearances. But the official line was contradicted by grittier, more desperate views from the shelters and the streets.

These conflicting views came within hours, sometimes minutes of each of each other, as reflected in CNN's transcripts. The speakers include Michael Brown, chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, evacuee Raymond Cooper, CNN correspondents and others. Here's what they had to say: HERE

The misinformation is not coming from email, it's coming from the top. Spin and manipulation, all the time, and still some refuse to believe their lying eyes.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Trent Lott says he's happy with th federal response. Well, that says something, but I'm not quite sure what. On Anderson Cooper now....

It's like mary Landrieu yesterday. Just pathetic.

Meli456
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05-01-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meli456 a private message Print Post    
(AP) The evacuation of Superdome refugees was interrupted briefly when school buses rolled up so some 700 guests and employees from the Hyatt hotel. They were move to the head of the line to be evacuated -- much to the amazement of those who had been crammed in the stinking Superdome for days.

The 700 had been trapped in the Hyatt just like the others, but conditions were considerably cleaner, even without running water, than the unsanitary crush inside the dome.

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) -- U.S. Sen. David Vitter said FEMA's efforts to deal with the hurricane have been completely ineffective, and he called the federal government's response a failure.

"I think FEMA has been completely dysfunctional and is completely overwhelmed, and I don't know why. This situation was utterly predictable," said Vitter, R-Metairie. "It seems like there was no coherent plan, which I don't understand because this precise scenario has been predicted for 20 years," he said.

WWL Live updates

Lkunkel
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10-29-2003

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lkunkel a private message Print Post    
Annie, I don't want to know every second of people's suffering. I want to see the timely response of people who are paid by our taxes to go in and handle these situations.

I was furious that the media interviewed a 12YO child.

As a former journalist, I want the answers to the hard questions that the journalists are now afraid to ask and that won't be answered.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Meli, I also tried to type from a woman who was one of those that were evacuated, I was stunned. She thanked Wolf and CNN saying it was them that got them help... I think it was the Ritz she was in - but mentioned they were transfered, if I remember they were expecting 8 buses, and 18 came!

Anderson and Jesse Jackson are talking right now on CNN

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Sorry, Lk, I probably shouldn't come to this thread anymore. I am tired and exhausted and an emotional mess. I get up at 3:30 am and work then go volunteer at my church for the refugees. Yes, it's heartbreaking, but I am seeing so many good things, so many postive things, it's just hard to read the constant criticism and negativity. It seems any time someone posts about a positive, there is a barrage of contradictary posts showing negative........like I said, I probably shouldn't read here anymore.

Kady
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07-30-2000

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kady a private message Print Post    
(((Annie)))

I have a feel good story for you. On my local news they just showed the bus drivers from my parish that are headed to NO. The Superintendent of schools asked for volunteers and he said he had so many that he had to turn them down. He is driving the lead bus cause he said he wouldn't ask his drivers to do something that he wasn't willing to do himself.

They are driving in pairs. It showed them loading up coolers with water and then joining hands in prayer. It was very touching.


Lkunkel
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10-29-2003

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There are some interesting articles out there.

Slate is running good articles about the disaster. Check out: Department of Homeland Screw-Up; What is the Bush administration doing?, Ray Nagin: Mayor on the verge of a nervous breakdown, and Miracle Worker; Bush longs for James Lee Witt, the Clinton man he should have kept among other articles.

Jackson was quoted earlier: Amid images of black victims, many ask: Was race a factor? and Democrats, GOPers Lash Out At Gov't Response

Annie, I just want to actually know the truth. Not the conjecture, or what the aid folks are going to do, but what they are actually doing. I don't care if it is positive--I wish to Goddess that more of it was positive. But I'm not seeing the positive stories from the government response--and that is really saddening me.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, September 02, 2005 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Thanks Kady.