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Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 2:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Why can't all these cruise ships there port in NO, but are now coming to other places offering cheap cruises house and feed all the refugees?????

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
Someone on CNN did say they are approaching Cruise lines for help. I suppose they are reluctant for many reasons. It would most likely put them in bankruptcy. I am surprised the military has not sent ships or anyone for that matter. That is a huge question mark. There is no military there 4 days later.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
I'm sitting here in tears, because for the first time, I am truly afraid my friend in New Orleans didn't make it. They are now talking about thousands dead, armed bands of people roaming the streets, taking years to recover from this...

I feel so helpless.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
Ddr, thank you so, so much for helping the people we care about. Do you have any information on the condition of the University of New Orleans? Glen works there.

Ddr
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08-19-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ddr a private message Print Post    
Prisoner, we've had some people trickle in that work at the University. Don't despair, phones lines are down and we cannot get through to land lines or cell phones in the 504 area.

Go to this website and post for info on him. http://www.wwltv.com/ Maybe someone will be able to read it and get back to you. Also see if you can list him by internet at the Red Cross site. We tried calling all day yesterday at the 800 lines but it was busy. (((Prisoner)))

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 5:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
I'm with Fruitbat. It's Thursday and there's little to no federal government involvement. Why has the federal government response been so poor up until this point? No offense, but this administrations response to this crisis sucks.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 5:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Went to a Jimmy Buffet concert last night. Huge crowd of very happy coconut bra and grass skirt wearing people. I figured Mr. Buffet would announce that a portion of the proceeds from the concert would go to hurricane relief and set up a means to take donations from the happy and moneyed revellers to be forwarded. No such luck. Mentioned the hurricane once or twice, that was it. I guess it's not fair to unload on Buffet since he sets a certain tone and feel during his concerts and bringing up a downer like starving and homeless people doesn't quite fit into that mood. But I don't think people would have minded, and I think they would have given generously. It was a great opportunity to raise funds for relief and it went ignored. I am (probably irrationally) irritated with Buffet for this and likely won't see another of his concerts.

Ddr
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08-19-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 5:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ddr a private message Print Post    
7:37 A.M. - (AP) The evacuation of the Superdome was suspended Thursday after shots were fired at a military helicopter, an ambulance official overseeing the operation said. No immediate injuries were reported.


"We have suspended operations until they gain control of the Superdome," said Richard Zeuschlag, head of Acadian Ambulance, which was handling the evacuation of sick and injured people from the Superdome.


He said that military would not fly out of the Superdome either because of the gunfire and that the National Guard told him that it was sending 100 military police officers to gain control.


"That's not enough," Zeuschlag. "We need a thousand."



Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 5:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
Shooting at a rescue heliocopter. Good god. I know New Orleans is a dangerous city if you wander far beyond the French Quarter and selected venues if you are a tourist. I pay heed to this sort of advice while traveling but also assume it is exaggerated because NYC gets a bad rap as being dangerous. I think 9/11 proved that city pretty spectacular.

They have been complaining that the military is not coming fast enough and they shoot at them?

I am stunned.



Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
We're starting to see the evacuees here. Quite a few of the churches have set up shelters and we've registered at least 5 kids at the schools I work at. Their stories are horrifying and heartwrenching.

Redstar
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07-08-2005

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redstar a private message Print Post    
I am so very, very angry at this administration and at Bush. The sluggish response is appaling.

In previous disasters it seemed like FEMA would be there almost instantly, getting rescue and relief efforts organized. On the news it FEMA would be mentioned constantly, but here I've hardly heard it mentioned at all. I may have missed it, but in all my hours of watching CNN, I have yet to hear a FEMA spokesperson. Has FEMA been so gutted by this administration that it cannot operate properly? Where has the money gone? "Homeland security"? What terrorist could even begin to cause the kind of devestation we're seeing due to Katrina?

I was shocked this morning when I saw the pictures of the crowds outside the Superdome. The crowd must have been 95% black. The implications of this make me heartsick. Who are the poorest of the poor? Who gets the slow response? Remember the fast and massive Hurricane Andrew relief and how white the people affected were?

And this morning one of the most arrogant statements I've ever hear from Bush, that the U.S. wouldn't ask for aid from other countries, what we could take care of our own, although if someone really wanted to help, it would be okay. It may well be true, but the way he said it (I couldn't find the exact quote when I went back to look for it) was just a slap in the face to the kind people of other countries who in their sympathy for the plight of those poor people in NO and along the coast who just want to express that sympathy and help.

I AM SOOOOOO ANGRY!!!!!

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
FEMA is there and responding. This is the largest disaster our country has ever experienced. A FEMA manager said he had been in the business for 34 years and he has never seen this much equipment and manpower on the ground.


Azriel
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Also, if anyone is wondering why Bush does not send troops into NO, he can't unless the governor signs an order requesting it. Martial law only allows the National Guard to come in.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Redstar, yesterday on CNN a FEMA person said that it will be another three days until they get water to Biloxi! Another three days! The water's there, they say, but then they have to go through all the channels, etc. Another three days! For people who have been without water for so long already.

What really gets me is that the people we are seeing on the news are the people we want to pretend don't exist to begin with--the people who are so poor they can't afford even to leave their city. The people who can't afford medications. This tragedy should say something to us about how the poorest of the poor in America live and it is too close to the way people live in third world countries.

I'm glad other countries have offered aid, but it does no good if we are not willing to be gracious and humble enough to accept it. How sad.

Ocean_islands
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09-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ocean_islands a private message Print Post    
It exposes to Americans, and to the world, that the idea that 'Americans care about people' is a farce.

Americans only care about people they see on television. That's why we care now, when they are on television. Think about it.

The sick, uninsured poor black people, when hidden at home, get short shrift from everyone.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
Yes, most of the people who remained in New Orleans are poor but not all. The city withstood a catagory 5 hurricane decades ago and that was the reference for staying. No one anticiapted the levy breaking. That is the reason the entire city is flooded and most of the houses submerged and destroyed.

As is common, urban living does not require a car to work and live comfortably. A small percentage of New Yorkers own cars. That paired with a false confidence is a major reason there are so many left there.

Azriel, the military tried to rescue this morning but aborted the effort because of guns fired at them. They red tape for that is done.

I wonder if the few (in the scope of things) who are firing and raping are experiencing drug withdrawal. It makes no sense.

I wonder what will happen to Houston as a result of their generosity. This is going to be huge for Houston to incorporate so many thousands all at once. It is not going to be good.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
Well I've heard that they made provisions to evacuate the 20,000 at the superdome, plus the hospital patients... this morning they had app 60,000 people at the superdome (not sure what they are basing that number on, but even if its doubled...) They said people are pouring out of hotels that have nothing, as well as people that have been walking on the highway (high ground) Desperation and days without food or water...

A military helicopter with supplies refused to land due to shots being fired, and gunman seen on the ground.

I now do understand why they cant do food/water drops from helicopters, too many guns and lawlessness... do they wait till they are so sick from drinking the water that is available? If you are starving and you are standing in water, would you drink it? They showed a man walking with an empty gallon and he was walking, and looking, he stopped and filled his jug, it wasnt black, the newsman ran to him and said "sir dont drink that water... the man had a dazed expression and said.. uh ok, no I need to wash, the newsman walks away and the man started to bring the jug to his face... the newsman gave him a bottle of water...

Desperation.

I've been yelling at the TV for 2 days saying this is the 21st cent. where are the navy ships? How long does it take??? Well I guess maybe 5 days now...

And I do appreciate the problems Houston will be facing, one lady was interviewed today, stunned, they wont let her stay at the astrodome, they gave her papers to contact the Red Cross, and a list of shelters... who and how are they deciding who stays?

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
One of the Senators, Rep or someone from Louisiana was on the radio here this morning and said that most of NO is poor and their median income is $16,000 per year. And that income is mostly derived from tourism.

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 6:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kaili a private message Print Post    
I noticed on the news clips right after the hurricane passed that a lot of water towers seemed to be standing despite little else being standing. They're well built. I know they don't have power to pump the water, but shouldn't there be some way to access the water in the towers? Unless pipes or something broke and they drained, or they were suspected of being contaminated. I don't really know how water towers work, but...?????

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 7:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Fruitbat, the National Guard is in NO, not the federal troops. Blanco has not asked for federal military assistance yet, she has only asked for National Guard assistance.

Grannyg
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05-28-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 7:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grannyg a private message Print Post    
Ddr, I've tried to get a hold of Fred Allen but can't get through. He could check on the daughter of that grandmother. Send me some info in an email and when I get a hold of him, I will give him the info and see if he can find out anything for you. Love you!!

Ocean_islands
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09-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 7:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ocean_islands a private message Print Post    
Water in water towers is there to increase water pressure, not for drinking. It's never drunk and does not flow in and out!

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
Thanks AZ. She needs her head examined, clearly.

Just heard that Houston has said they only want the refugees in the dome a few weeks; they are going to concentrate on creating temporary shelters closer to NO. Good Luck! That sounds like a plan that could take a year at the very least. You couldnt get a piece of plywood in Florida for many months and the devastation was not as serious.

Ocean_islands
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09-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 7:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ocean_islands a private message Print Post    
Those people are not going back to New Orleans for a long, long time.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 7:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fruitbat a private message Print Post    
If ever.