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Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 12:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Legal, the Astros are traitors???

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

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Well, since our A's never made it, I'm pulling for the Cards and my beloved Mark Mulder.

Gigglesalot
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08-14-2003

Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gigglesalot a private message Print Post    
Go Cardinals! Love 'em - and what a game last night. Three more games like that and we'll be in!

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 2:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
actually I have two gripes with the Astros that I cant quite get over even though I feel for some of their players

in terms of traitor - its not the Astros, only Roger Clemens, and its not even connected to my team but even I don't like what happened when he left the red sox and then how he went to the yankees after the blue jays I cant totally despise him because he did come back after leaving the Yankees to pitch in his home state and that was like a haha to the Yankees but I just never have liked him and how he has treated teams so its hard to know how to feel now since I will admit he is a different person with the Astros - but I don't want to suddenly jump on his side just because he is 43.

That being said, he is NOT the best pitcher in history - Nolan Ryan is - and the Astros treated Ryan with no respect when he came there - the angels were so so nice to him under gene autrey and then he goes to the Astros, to the state he loves and just felt total disrespect from management - the owners wouldn't even let the players' kids on the field at practice - just is wrong in my mind - and if it wasn't for the rangers saving the day and giving him a place to end in a good way, he probably would have retired much earlier since he didn't want to leave Texas and wouldn't stay with the Astros - and I side with Ryan on this one... so it hasn't been easy to root for the Astros in the playoffs - if anything I am indifferent in the National League.

(hey I crawled under 40 grownups when I was 11 just to get through and get Nolan's autograph in Baltimore, so this loyalty for Texas' true golden boy runs deep.)

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 2:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
well, that is certainly an interesting side to Nolan's story. ;)
I can see your point of view on Roger and how that it might look like he was tooling the Yanks around. I never paid much attention to his game personality up there. Just know him more for being a Houston boy and all the stuff he has done and still does here.
Personally, I think Mike Scott was one of the best Astro pitchers.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Legal, thought this might interest you.
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/sports/s_298919.html

and just for the memory of it..i was at this game!
http://www.astrosdaily.com/history/19810926/

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Wasn't there some incident where Clemens was a big baby and threw a bat at Mike Piazza? Anyone know???

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 4:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Yes it happened when Clemens was with the Yankees and Piazza broke his bat and Clemens was all amped up on roid rage or whatever it is because lots of people are now saying that it's not just the power hitters we have to look at about roids but power pitchers, too and so when Piazza broke his bat - it was really crazy - Clemens just picks the thing up and throws it at Piazza's feet as he is running down the first base line and Piazza looked at him like he was crazy, which might not have been too far from the truth because he has a history of throwing at people's heads and then he tries to defend it by saying he's just trying to brush them back, which is totally insane because there are ways to brush people back without beaning them, but he has beaned lots of people in his career because -tada! - he doesn't have to bat because he's in a league with a wimpy dh rule, which is perhaps the silliest rule ever to appear in baseball and if you do a Google search on Clemens and head hunting you get LOTS of results because that's exactly his MO. In this way I'm glad there has been so much talk among baseball writers about pitchers and steroids.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 6:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
I agree, I think all players should hit, just like they do in the national league.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
that's an interesting ryan story, now he owns the astros AAA club ...

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
thanks annie -nice to know ryan is enjoying his time and that somehow the NEW owner of the Astros (not sure how new but still, its no McMullen) was able to patch fences and get back in to the astros organization - if you ever read the bio he wrote, it is so so good and you could tell the pain he had in leaving gene autrey and the angels while wanting so much to be back in texas and then suddenly being thrown into a totally different ownership - he is a loyal guy and it wasnt easy for him to leave the astros just as it wasnt easy for him to leave the angels.

that had to be a great game you got to be at - i know i will never forget being at Cal's 2131 record breaking game - moments like that arent just sports history, they are a whole other level of memories for people to talk about for generations.

my grandfather sent me the newsclippings when Ryan finally retired - my freshmen year in college - i still have them in my scrapbook.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 4:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Yes, the team is in Round Rock and has a pretty fancy stadium, LT.
Legal, It was a very exciting moment! I have some wonderful Astro memories. I was there the day the Astrodome opened and the day it closed! My dh and I have had season tickets since 1985. I have read his book, and it's a great read. Yes, he didn't get along with McMullen, but the fact that the bullpen couldn't back him up is what cost him the Cy Young Award. He was more torn cause he wanted to help his home team, but with the team he had to work with, it just wasn't going to happen. McMullen realized that too and didn't want to pay him the money he wanted to stay on the team. It's kind of interesting, he was "limited" to around 157 pitches per game cause of his previous injuries (now, pitchers are usually limited to 100 throws per game), many times he felt good, was winning, but they would him and then the bull pen would lose the game for him. He was kind of watching his career start to come crashing down around him because of the team he was on. By moving to the Rangers, he had a better chance to have his carreer truly end on a high note. Plus, the fact that it was American League and pitchers don't bat worked in his favor too.
I like Nolan, but he's not as loyal to his town of Alvin and I have issue with that. I think he is coming around now, but for a long time, he would charge the local kid's ball club for his autograph when they were trying to do fund raisers and stuff like that. It's ok for him to hold a grudge against McMullen (who died about a week ago btw) but to treat his hometown badly isn't.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Yes, they have an awesome stadium and very reasonable prices. We love going out there ...

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
My inlaws live in Georgetown and we are dying to go, but they don't like baseball...just another reason why they are the oddest people in town........

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
thanks annie for the extra info - that is out of character in the minds of Ryan's fans that he wouldnt be better to his hometown and the kids there - cal Ripken always has done it "the oriole way" and has been so great with the kids in the community and building the amazing stadium(s) in aberdeen for the minor league ironbirds and for little league teams to come play at.


Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Yes, it's always been very confusing to me about his stance with Alvin. I do know that he didn't do that much charity wise in Dallas/Arlington either.
Just an aside on the charity thing. The younger brother of one of the boys in my son's boy scout troop got brain cancer last year. Craig Biggio is very involved with the Sunshine Kids and got to know this little boy. He introduced him to Roger Clemens and the two became close friends (in fact, he became friends with the whole family) The little boy died two weeks ago and Roger dedicated his game to him and went to the funeral. Roger is very involved in our neighbhorhood sports association too. Craig is very involved in his too but he keeps a very low profile.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 6:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
The Angels can start hitting any time now!!!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
..yeah, hittin' the showers after 9 more outs! (sure hope I didn't jinks the sox right now!)

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 7:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
See, there ya go, the Angels just got a base hit!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 7:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
bad math, now the SOX need to get the Angels out 10 more times!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 7:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Crap, I hexed the sox. I will now exit this thread til this game is over!

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 7:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Keep posting, JB! We need all the help we can get.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 7:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Sorry Rosie, but I am too afraid! (I bet this post alone is worth another Angel RBI!)

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 7:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Hope so!

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Friday, October 14, 2005 - 8:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Must admit that Garland did a good job. He is cute too. Wish he were 5 years older or I 5 years younger. lol