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Rslover
Member

11-19-2002

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 6:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought some would be interested in seeing the message anyway. They had the testimony to back her intent up.

On Jan. 30, 2002, Stewart sat down as her assistant's desk and stared at a computer file containing phone messages Stewart had received on Dec. 27, 2001, the day she sold her shares of ImClone Systems, avoiding a $50,000 loss and touching off a federal investigation. She altered the text of one message from her stockbroker Peter Bacanovic concerning the sale, changing its wording, her assistant testified. Almost instantly, she stood up and said, "Put it back the way it was," and she walked away.

The altered message was innocuous: "Peter Bacanovic: re ImClone." But the original message was also innocuous, reading, "Peter Bacanovic thinks ImClone is going to start trading downward," so much so that Stewart's lawyer embraced it in his opening argument as "a very responsible message." But if the words were bland, the act of their alteration, however momentary, coupled with what happened just before and just after, left the stench of cover-up, federal prosecutors have argued.

Stewart made the change just after a half-hour phone call with her criminal defense lawyer, John Savarese, who apparently was updating her on the status of a federal investigation of her ImClone sale. Martha Stewart had never altered a phone message before, Ann Armstrong, her assistant testified. Indeed, she had never sat at her assistant's desk for any reason.

Yes, we all probably would have done the same thing, if given the chance. It is a sad statement of our justice system when rapists seem to go free. Though in our present climate of increasing white collar crimes, a statement had to be made. I believe, as the jury does, that she was clearly guilty. There are detail we don't know but it looks like they went over all the evidence carefully. All she had to do was say, "yes, my broker suggested I sell." But, it was her arrogance that skyrocketed the whole case and her attorneys probably felt cocky when the first charge was thrown out.


Starfire
Member

02-12-2003

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 6:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
its called insider trading and its illegal for everyone. I don't care who it is. you break the law you need to pay. and yes our justice system isn't fair at times but its the best in the land. She has to pay the price. I'm tired of people saying its not my fault I broke the law. Thats what is wrong with this county. People don't want to own up to what they do. And we expect the youth of today to do whats right???? ( climbs down from soapbox )

Rslover
Member

11-19-2002

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 6:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
DeeSandy,
Getting sidetracked here. What kind of cookies are you making? I know if you make Forgotten Kisses they have to stay in the oven overnight to harden.


Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Absolutely right Starfire, Can I say "Ken Lay?". Martha made a stupid mistake, but let us not forget the mistake started with her broker leaving her a message that Imclone was going to trade down. It started with her broker. If her broker hadnt called her she would have had a nice vacation in mexico.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 7:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Insider information must be information not known or available to the public. Also, it doesn't matter if someone else told you the insider information--if you use it, then you are guilty as well.

If you have insider information and do not buy or sell your stocks, you are not guilty of using insider information to gain or avoiding losing your money. Now, if the broker had sold any shares of that stock as well, then he's guilty.



Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Starfire, it's not called insider trading because Ms. Stewart was not charged with insider trading. She was charged with lying to federal investigators, conspiracy relatied to the false statements, and obstruction of justice (again related to the false statements). Interestingly, there is no underlying charge (for example "insider trading). Why? The government knew it couldn't make a case....and this is the same government that charged her for saying she was innocent and therefore, according to them--committing stock fraud! Thank goodness the judge threw that charge out, or the petty petty jurors would probably have convicted her on that, too.

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 7:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
maybe lance, but I have to be honest. If my broker called me and said IBM was going to trade down, I would sell.

Sunrvrose
Member

08-13-2001

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 11:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hi, I am so happy to see that I am not the only one who thinks Martha did nothing much different than anyone would do under the circumstances. I have thought from the get-go, that if my friend had a business, and my friend got info that the business was going to tank, AND they didn't warn me, they weren't much of a friend.

For gov prosecuters to use Martha as an example, and weren't they oohh so proud after the verdict, disgusting in MHO, when drug dealers and Ken Lay are still on the streets, is so sickening, I just can't even explain my disgust.

Ok, so for the highest and mightiest amoung us, Tell me, what would you do if your friend told you your little investment was going to tank, I suppose you would just let it, even if you didn't think that selling your interest would violate the law. I don't think so.

I, personally, am OUTRAGED at this verdict. And this outrage could have never come about unless over-zealous prosecuters had chosen to persecute and prosecute this woman.

What a sad and disgusting day. IMHO!!!!!

And What Huge Props Go To CBS for cancelling her show while letting convicted drug users still appear every night on thier shows. Aren't you so Proud CBS, WTG, <Mod hd>

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 11:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well OK Sun! You said a mouthful!

Wink
Member

10-06-2000

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 11:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just do not want to exist in a world without Martha. How the hell did she end up with such incompetent representation?

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 12:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Actually, I think there is also a civil suit pending over the insider trading.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 12:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Um.. someone mentioned CEOs.. Martha WAS a CEO.. and what other CEOs have done isn't relevant to her case, IMO.

Also "anyone" using an inside tip isn't quite the same as someone with a great deal of stock.

But the charge of insider trading wasn't on the table for this jury .. the lies DID affect a great many people because the lies eventually caused the stock of Martha Steward Omnimedia to plummet, so that affected all stockholders in that corporation and any funds that held the stock..



I would think that as long as there is a market for Martha's knowledge, she can still produce her magazines and newsletters, even from prison.



Starfire
Member

02-12-2003

Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 5:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I would NOT break the law. And I don't dislike Martha, just never had the time or use for her. I will tell you something very funny about what my dear mother did. She buys alot of Martha's stuff and she told me "now I will have to cut Martha's name out of all my stuff!" I couldn't believe it! I told her she is not the anti-christ. Her name isn't a dirty word. But my mom is 74 yrs. old and from a diffent generation who hold honesty as a very high value. I told my mom Martha did wrong so she will be punished and hopefully will learn a lesson from this. Its not like she murdered someone. Hopefully Martha will be able to continue doing what she does cause alot of people like her. imo I think why her shows were pulled is cause the product ad people are afaid they will lose money being associated with her name. You can't blame them for looking out for their buisness.

Deesandy
Member

08-12-2003

Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 6:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Rslover, what are Forgotten Kisses cookies? I have several bags of Hershey Kisses I would love to use. Thanks!

Deesandy
Member

08-12-2003

Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 8:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am about to make dozens of meringue cookies today. I have three different recipes for three different kinds. Each one has a different ending. One is to leave them in the oven overnight. One is ot leave them in for an hour. One is to store them in an airtight container as soon as they cool.

Are any of these instructions better than the other, and are they different because of the flavors?


Lumbele
Member

07-12-2002

Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Dee, again I can only refer to my experience with regular run-of-the-mill meringues. One of my recipes for those also requires to leave them in the oven overnight with a wooden spoon holding the door open just a smidge. I also have a quick-bake recipe and both work well, although I tend to use the overnight one.
As for storing meringues, I have never stored them in airtight containers. Just in something to keep the dust off. But then your cookie recipes may really require that, so I'd stick to the instructions for now.

Rslover
Member

11-19-2002

Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
DeeSandy,
Here is the Forgotten Kisses recipe. These are the cookies that were mentioned on the O.C. and I did a search out of curiosity but haven't made them. If you do, let me know how they come out.
http://www.cook4ever.com/dessert/forgotnkiss.htm

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 3:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm always available for taste-testing :-)

Costacat
Member

07-15-2000

Monday, March 08, 2004 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
To answer the question in the subject line... try looking for her at the probation office! <snicker>

Starfire
Member

02-12-2003

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 1:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Someone needs a time out. Costacat, find a cornor. lol

Deesandy
Member

08-12-2003

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just baked my first batch of lemon meringues and I am disappointed in the pale color. Should I add food coloring, and will that happen to the strawberry ones as well?

*stressing over here!*

Max
Member

08-12-2000

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Meringues will usually have a pale color to them. You can add food coloring to brighten them, but they will generally be a pastel shade. Taste is what counts, isn't it? :-)

Deesandy
Member

08-12-2003

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 3:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Max, thank you again!

Yes taste is the most important but I am going for a yellow and pink Hello Kitty theme.

Thanks again, I will let you know if it was successful.

Deesandy
Member

08-12-2003

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
MAX! I have looked everywhere for an icing that you can use to make roses like in the bakery. I believe it is called a royal icing. Any ideas?



Max
Member

08-12-2000

Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 4:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If you have a Michael's craft store or any other place nearby that sells Wilton cake decorating supplies, you can purchase a Royal Icing mix. That's the easy way out. :-)

Here are two different versions for making your own:
(from Christmas Cookies, a Joy of Cooking book)

2 tablespoons meringue powder mixed with 1/4 cup warm water *
1/2 teaspoon freshly squeezed lemon juice
2-1/2 cups (8.25 ounces) powdered sugar plus more as needed

* You can get meringue powder where Wilton products are sold. You can use uncooked egg whites instead, if you want. Substitute a generous 1/4 cup of egg whites for the meringue powder/water mixture. Make sure there is NOT ONE BIT of yolk in it, though, or it won't work correctly. :-)

In a large mixing bowl, combine the meringue powder/water mixture with the lemon juice and beat on low speed until frothy.

Gradually beat in the powdered sugar. Whip on high speed until mixture stands in stiff peaks adn is very glossy, 3-5 minutes. If mixture is too stiff to spread easily, beat in a bit of water; if too runny, beat in a bit more powdered sugar. Cover the bowl of icing with a damp tea towel to prevent it from drying out before use. You can add color using drops of food coloring, powdered coloring, or food paste color (more Wilton stuff here). The powdered and paste coloring will give you a much more intense color.

The icing can be made up to 4 days in advance and refrigerated, tightly covered, until needed.

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Cooked Royal Icing

In a microwasve-proof bowl, stir until thoroughly combined:
2 large egg whites (no yolk at ALL)
1-1/3 cups (4.25 ounces) powdered sugar

Microwave on high until the mixture reaches 160 degrees F but does not exceed 175 degrees F on an instant-read thermometer, about 1-1/2 to 2 minutes. Check every 30 to 45 seconds, remembering to remove the thermometer before restarting the microwave. If the first temperature readings do not reach 160 degrees F, wash the thermometer thoroughly before taking additional readings.

Add 1-1/3 cups (4.25 ounces) powdered sugar.

Using an electric mixer, beat at high speed until the icing is cool and holds stiff peaks hwen beaters are lifted.

Again, you can add color with food coloring, powder, or paste and you can store the icing in a tightly covered container in the refrigerator for up to 4 days before use.

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As a side note: I've made icing roses out of buttercream frosting, too. They are better on cakes than cookies, though, because they don't harden the way Royal icing does.

Enjoy!