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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 4:42 pm
kstme, she is just beautiful. absolutely beautiful!
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 4:42 pm
Eeyore, she has 4 single points, needs 5 more and then two majors at 3 points each for a total of 15. We're very proud of her! This has been lifelong dream and it's absolutely amazing to see it's really happening. Thank you, JBean. You're little girl is pretty special, too! Yankee, thank you! I think your JRT is pretty awesome too!
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 4:51 pm
Kstme ... Cami is just beautiful! How old is she? Congratulations on her first point! And thank you for explaining how the points work. We'll be looking for more Cami points! JBean ... Lola is so adorable and so young! I agree with Landi ... she needs time and patience. We already know she's getting lots of love!
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 5:12 pm
NOw Kstme.. she could just get three majors and be done with it Ah Jbean.. well then no help coming from her breeders! Wow she's grown a little bit already, huh? What an amazing little face she has.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 5:56 pm
Aww poop. Lola is such a cutie!! And sounds like the place I got Spike.
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Spygirl
Moderator
04-23-2001
| Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:22 pm
Update on Toby... Short story - we began the long testing process to see if he has Cushing's Disease. I simply don't have the energy to type out the long version, but the orthopedic surgeon said that he does not have bone spurs. He has a torn ligament in his arm. The issue is that Cushing's leads to a deterioration in muscle tissue and weakening of those joints and such. In addition to the many other symptoms that in fact do look like he has Cushing's, we've started the diagnosis which is not easy. As for his arms, the Xrays did reveal he has a curved bone in both arms that could be corrected with surgery. After we get his pain under control and the hormone issues taken care of, we'll revist the possibility of a corrective surgery. We'd have to go to OSU Medical Center, though, for a highly specialized surgeon.
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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:32 pm
(((((spy & toby)))))
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Wargod
Moderator
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 11:04 pm
Lots of positive thoughts for you and Toby Spy!
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Egbok
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 11:56 pm
Awww Spy, I'm so sorry to hear this news about Toby. I'll keep you all in my thoughts and prayers. Please keep us posted. (((Spy & Toby & Flyboy)))
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:28 am
Sea, lol I know, but finding ONE Major can take an act of God with this breed! Van, she's 9 months old as of yesterday! {{{{Spy and Toby}}}}
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:53 am
{{{{Spy and Toby}}}}
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:57 am
I will post pictures later today once I'm home, just got a new roll developed. He's about 25lbs now, can't cradle him like a baby anymore. We had another no mess night, I really am surprised about this, maybe he views the kitchen now as his whole "crate" and just doesn't want to mess it. Does anyone have any advice regarding the biting? I think Oscar views it as a game, he attacks and grabs whatever, mom disengages and gives him an appropriate toy and the process begins, my hands are so scratched up. Any tips would be most appreciated.
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:07 am
Jasper, hold his bottom jaw down by forcing your hand towards the back of his mouth, as he begins the bite. Say, loudly and quickly, 'Ouch' then, as you release your hand tell Oscar, 'No biting'. This is a tried and true method. After he gets the idea, whenever you are playing with him and if he gets rougher than you'd like, say, 'Ouch' and he should release immediately. This can take a few days to a couple weeks to correct. Hang in there! Can't wait to see new pics!!!
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:17 am
I think with him it will take a couple of weeks, he's pretty clever about some stuff, but this so far has not worked, he seems to think it is fun, perhaps if I squeezed out a few tears, lol. As soon as I say Ow no biting and release his mouth he actually curls his lip and grabs at you again. He'll do this continually for about 10-15 mins. a couple of times each evening. Other times with other people during the day he'll grab at them once. With hubby and me I assume he's trying to be the boss as it seems to me to be rather nasty in manner. It is very strange because in all other manners and behaviour he is very laid back and mellow. Thanks for you input Kstme.
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:30 am
Jasper. Hold your hand, if you need to grip that lower jaw, do it. Thus, forcing that lower jaw down and wedge your hand all the way to back, for a few seconds longer. Do this a bit longer each time until he gets the idea. It's not cruel but it's uncomfortable. Also, you might put him on his side, once in a while, when you're doing this. This will let Oscar know you and your hubby 'are' the bosses and his biting is unacceptable behavior.
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:33 am
Jasper, another thing I would stop doing. Don't give him a toy in replacement of your hand. He's, obviously, thinking his behavior is being accepted and he's getting a reward.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:45 am
Kstme, my dog does what I think is called "mouthing" ... she doesn't really bite but she does grab and release when she's excited to see me. Is this the same thing? Can you tell me anything about "mouthing" or is this the wrong term?
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:45 am
Will do, I'll let you know how it goes, the taking him down we have been doing as well, I'll test this out tonight. He's lying at my feet at work and he is do darn sweet and agreeable and then turns into this little bugger each evening, it's hard to reconcile. Thanks for you time.
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:49 am
Vacanick, my friend's full grown Akita does this, while disconcerting to a stranger (she's a real big girl) I think it is just a bad habit, she does it to everyone. She never bites down, just leads you in by the hand. I imagine it is behaviour you don't want to have persist. But, lol, what do I know! Look what my fella is up to and those baby teeth are like daggers!! I defer to Kstme's expertise here.
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 11:42 am
Kstme has got it -- it's what worked with my dog. Saying Ouch! (I said it in a high yelpy way, sorta like the sound a dog makes when it squeals), holding his bottom jaw down, and then a stern "No Biting!" That and giving him lots of appropriate things to chew on while he was teething helped a lot. Now whenever he gets carried away with his play and he starts to use his mouth, you can say to him "ouch" OR "No Biting!" and he starts to lick you.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 1:15 pm
I bred labs and with any large dog you REALLY DO NOT want them to get into biting or even mouthing. One bottom line thing to think about.. just what if.. your dog had to go live elsewhere (and for me this would have meant that I had died, but you know, that DOES happen and young pets are sometimes orphaned).. then you want your dog to be acceptable in a new home, so even if you may sort of enjoy being lovingly mouthed and slimed, not everyone wants that.. Also, less drastic, but if you even plan to take your dog into someone's home, or out in public, the better behaved it is, the better accepted you both will be. And of course if the dog is a sporting dog they should never be mouthing stuff if they will ever be involved in hunting or trialling. They are also less likely to hurt a smaller animal or a child if they learn that it isn't acceptable to mouth or bite. Start when they are young. You have to be the pack leader. Kstme's technique is quite good, as are her suggestions. We also used squeezing their muzzle against their teeth to get them to open up and I was also taught about using the "short, sharp, shock" to get their attention in all training, but in this case especially. The idea is you don't nag at them.. like you don't stand and sort of tug on the lead and say "sit sit sit". You say SIT! and if they don't sit give them a firm tug and MAKE them sit. You aren't mean, you are firm, you are very consistent and you copiously praise anything good (and you have to consider the individual dog.. firm means something different to a lab than to a chihuahua. And even within a breed.. you have to know your dog; some are hard headed, some are sensitive. And the sensitive ones can be biters. Jasper you are so right you do not want it to persist. I got my first labs from breeders who had rather uncontrollable dogs but my second breeder who became my mentor was very good about pointing out how to train and when and reminding how large and exuberant labs can be and to start with puppies.. and of course in her case many of her pups went for hunting and she expected all of her show dogs to also be very good retrievers and to be soft mouthed with game. OK.. end of lecture but really, dogs are SO much happier with some good consistent training, plus they do love the interaction with you. I also used a crate for "time out" if they weren't taking my good advice to stop..
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 5:00 pm
Jasper, mouthing is different from biting, but as Seamonkey said, it is unacceptable behavior. Having said that, Ollie used to mouth me when I came in from being gone over ten minutes. I completely ignored both he and Mags until 'I' was ready to greet them. He realized that this type of attention seeking was not going to work and has not done it for over 2 years. This afternoon, we had the pups groomer, Cami's new handler, here working with Thekid and Cami. As Marie was leaving, Ollie started barking at her...he barks because he wants her to come back. That's when I use 'holding the muzzle shut' and tell him, 'No barking'. He'll talk and whine, but he won't bark. I only have to do it once, very quickly.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 5:32 pm
Thanks for all the information Kstme and Seamonkey! My Maggie is a rescued Silky that we've had about 6 months. We don't know her background but she is definitely more submissive than not. Does that have anything to do with her "mouthing"? If not, could you tell me what the reason might be?
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 5:51 pm
Vac, my 'own personal view' is that she may be doing this as a form of reassurance from you. Ollie will nudge my leg with his cold nose every once in a while for attention. I'mbad cause he knows he'll get a behind the ear scratch. I would try to discourage her, though. Tell her 'no mouthing' 'no slopping' or some command that is different from others you use. Take your hand away and give her a tummy rub or a paw rub. That way, she is getting attention she wants. BUT, don't do this ALL the time or she'll drive you nuts! lol Other times, simply use the command and move away from her. Use a gentle voice...much calmer than you would for biting or any other 'critical' command. I, personally, don't see this as a critical.
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Vacanick
Member
07-12-2004
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 6:06 pm
Kstme ... thank you so much! I don't see it as critical either. Hopefully, with time she'll relax and I can gently teach her to stop doing this. I have another question, a friend of mine got my Maggie a KONG toy. She says you can put peanut butter or cheese whiz in it and that dogs love them. Is this okay for a dog to eat peanut butter or cheese whiz? What's your opinion on this? I think I'm going to change this thread to ... Dogs, Ask Kstme! 
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