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Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 4:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Think I was misunderstood. The hygienebags are a great idea but not #1 on the crisis list right now. For instance, right now the water is full of bacteria, sewage, parasites and dead bodies. In many areas No one will be wasting precious drinking water right now ...using soap and washing up.

However, I just thought of something!! If those hygienebags were sent Directly to the Hospitals and FirstAide areas WOW, that would be great as they probably dont have a supply of clean towels etc.
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I am on the West Coast. We have small earthquakes regularly and they are almost always underwater as the Fault runs thru Georgia Strait.

It is the SAME fault-line that goes down the coast thru California. There is wave action, sometimes whirlpools when even the SMALL earthquakes hit. Let me assure you...the minute a huge earthquake was detected alerts should have gone out to at least the cities who had telephone hookups. Also, many people had Cellphones in the hotels....it could have been done. No excuse.

This earthquake was supposedly over 100 times more powerful than that Quake in California where the bridges collapsed on the cars. Think about it...way MORE powerful and yet no official agencies were alerted.

((mind you, I might be dealing with old info. But i just think of the awful devastation and lives that were lost and get steamed.))

On a final note, I heard yesterday that some of the World Aide agencies are appalled at how this disaster is getting so much coverage when TWO MILLION people are dead in the Sudan. They need help too and it seems that aide is being given freely because caucasians are being shown injured/ dead on TV. If this was just the 'usual' flooding and death of locals (no white people) the media Would CHOOSE not to give it full coverage. I was surprised that someone would suggest this was a race issue.

Anyways, My heart goes out to all those peoples. Everyone must be in shock from the horror of it all.



Zachsmom
Moderator

07-13-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 4:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
well..I am in shock.

Mocha
Member

08-12-2001

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 4:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sometimes I wonder if I'm on the same planet or in the same zone...

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 5:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh heck, over 150,000 people die from curable diseases or lack of vaccinations all over the world every month, and there's no outcry.

I think the issue here is the massive devastation all at one time.

Mocha
Member

08-12-2001

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 5:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I must be in another world because after a massive devastation like that I know I would love to be able to brush my teeth.

Abby7
Member

07-17-2002

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 5:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ladytex, so very wonderful, loving and giving of you to contribute as you have. Thanks for sharing the photos.

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Not that it is a HUGE consolation, but the Minister of the Environment or Meteorology or some government agency in Indonesia was fired two days after the tsunami. Yeah, like it was only that one guy's fault, and not a messed up negligent system.

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 5:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL, Mocha. I think I might be busy trying to suck on whatever crumbs are stuck in my teeth as a form of nourishment.

is that like completely disgusting? LOL

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 5:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
On CNN right now, special report, shot of young boy brushing his teeth. Really. Oh, the irony!

Ladytex, I think you and your kids are doing a great thing, and I'm simply amazed this conversation got so weird about that. :-)

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sadly that is true.. and I heard that statement from day one.. about Sudan vs this tragedy. And of course the Sudan didn't lose all those people in one fell swoop..

And yes, it was that much stronger, truly mind-boggling.

And yes, the Pacific, where they've always known about tsumani potential due to being surrounded by the "ring of fire" and all the faults involved have prepared and not only have systems for warning but have ocean sensors so that sometimes they can tell ahead of time when a wave is coming. The actual wave is often almost invisible as it crosses the vast expanse of ocean, only when the depths become shallower as land is approached does the deadly wave loom up.

(got interrupted there.. unfortunately a few phone calls because my ceiling fell in in the back bedroom.. what a MESS)

I'm also on the west coast and would question that "almost all" are underwater.. I can't find a site for just west coast of Canada so it could be the case,but the map of the world doesn't show that for all of north america, really.. and for California:

See: THIS SITE FOR California and Nevada and you can see that the majority of the quakes occur under solid (or shakey) land..

OK.. I'm going to work out to let off some steam and then start hauling ceiling and soggy insulation out of that bedroom.. arrgh..

Twiggyish
Member

08-14-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 6:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
((Seamonkey)) I know about soggy insulation. It's nasty!

Ladytex, I love what you all are doing! Sometimes it's the basic necessities that make the difference.
I saw where a school was sending teddy bears for the children. What a great idea!! Those children need something that will help them heal within.



Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 8:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Let me start by saying that this comment is not directed at anyone here on this board. I apologise in advance if I sound upset and I don’t mean to offend anyone or diminish their wonderful contributions.

I just feel bad that it takes something of this level to motivate so many people to give so generously when there are people suffering and dying every day in North America (as well as around the world) as a result of lack of charitable funding, especially in the advancement of healthcare. These little people just don't get the publicity. It's just another person who has a small obituary. They don't get on CNN and their cause is not promoted night after night.

It would be wonderful if everyone could look at this crisis and be motivated to give to other important causes as well.

Costacat
Member

07-15-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 8:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sea, you're right. I'm on a USGS mailing list and receive notifications of earthquakes in my area. Of the last 100, I would say only 1 (ONE!) was offshore (off Rosarita Beach, Baja California).

Lady, I think that's a good thing you are doing. HOWEVER, I have heard relief agency after relief agency request money. That allows them to buy what they need THERE. And to buy items that the people THERE are used to. For example, if someone in Thailand does not speak English, how will that person read directions to use a tube of toothpaste? (JUST an example... I am in no way implying that Thai's don't know how to use a tube of toothpaste.) In addition, the money that is sent can be spent in those areas, thereby helping to support the economy. To use my toothpaste example, wouldn't it help the Thai economy more to purchase 20,000 tubes of toothpaste from stores within that country?

I'm sorry... I am not trying to denigrate anything you are doing. But I think it's a real bad idea to send American goods overseas when the goods they need are right there and available to be purchased.

Costacat
Member

07-15-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 8:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
P.S. That was Loma Prieta earthquake, in October 1989. The 'quake that destroyed the bridge in the Bay Area.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 8:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well that is certainly true, Jimmer, but the flip side is that many people are generous on a daily basis and we often don't hear a thing about it, either.

(yeah that insulation is like oatmeal, sticks to everything.. I bought some of those face masks, because I suspect there may be some asbestos involved, and rubber gloves but I haven't ventured back upstairs yet. The lighting isn't good in that room anyway, but I'm sure I'll bag some of the stuff tonight.. $500 deductible of course.. if I had the money I'd see about getting the hole patched, and the rest of the cottage cheese scraped off.. I hate to think if I hadn't punched holes in that area so that the water could run out more quickly, how much gushier it would be now.. and I'm thankful that the contractor already fixed the roof - we hope - before the next big storm arrives tomorrow)

CNN is running some specials tonight.. Anderson Cooper, Christiane Amanpour are doing the one that is on here now. and they are concentrating on children and it is breaking my heart ..



Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 8:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ah.. just got to the part where the kids were brushing their teeth.. they also showed a man using a safety razor.

Rosie
Member

11-12-2003

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 9:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ladytex, YOU DID GREAT!!!!

Karen
Member

09-07-2004

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 11:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That's a good point you make, Jimmer. Vancouver has a very large and very obvious homeless/addiction/mental health problem, and in our local paper a few days ago, there was an editorial cartoon of a bag lady with her grocery cart, and she had a thought bubble that said, "Hmm, I wonder how I can start a tsunami?"

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 11:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well I hate to be the one to SAY IT (please don't jump on me for it), but I think a lot of people would rather help out things like natural disasters.

Some folks believe that things like homelessness and addiction, and some mental health issues are controllable or avoidable, whereas how could these poor people have known the earthquake/tsunami would happen, and protect themselves and their houses.

I'm not saying I'M the one feeling this way. I'm just theorizing as to why people donate to natural disasters, over social problems.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Friday, January 07, 2005 - 1:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
http://library.thinkquest.org/03oct/00758/en/disaster/earthquake/faultlines.html?tqskip1=1

The next Big One?
Although the last giant earthquake hit Washington's coast 300 years ago, scientists say that the Cascadia Subduction Zone may be storing up energy to be released in the next catastrophic earthquake. The stresses detected OFF Washington's COAST could generate a huge earthquake (magnitude 9 or more). That would rival the largest earthquake ever recorded. (A magnitude 8.7 earthquake would release 1,000 times the energy of the magnitude 6.6 earthquake that struck Los Angeles in 1994.)

http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/sea/coast/waves/fault.html

On my Den wall is a world map with all Plates and fault-lines. Could it be possible that since the stresses have been released on the other side of the ocean, we will be less likely to be suffering on this side?? }

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Friday, January 07, 2005 - 1:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
hey I saw a great segment on the Vancouver news. I guess that a bunch of students got together and they were handing out supplies and blankets to the street people of the East End! its a nice thing to know that more people are thinking of charity and what they can do to help others!!



Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Friday, January 07, 2005 - 1:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
There was an earthquake swarm near Fontana today (sort of between Rosie and Pamy..)

I know I got 4 emails for the larger ones 3.0 and larger but there were others, in fact there were 20 in Fontana today.

Eeyoreslament
Member

07-20-2003

Friday, January 07, 2005 - 2:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sunshyne are you here in Vancouver?

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Friday, January 07, 2005 - 7:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Just to clarify my position, I wasn’t really referring to helping the homeless in North America (as that is a noble cause but one that is somewhat more controversial as Eeyore suggested). I was referring to charitable donations for health care and advancements and research. There are some very good causes where the addition of a few million dollars (note that I said a few million – not many millions) could radically change people’s lives for the better and save many many lives.

If there was a physical “enemy” attacking the United States and Canada every day and killing numerous people, you can bet that they would spend billions to defeat them, yet people don’t seem to have the same motivation to mobilise to defeat silent medical killers (diseases I mean).

I’m not at all belittling the significance of the Tsunami crisis and the misery that it has caused. I just think that it is unfortunate that many people are more motivated to contribute to high profile crisis situations that get a lot of publicity on CNN, but forget the less obvious things that affect the lives of so many people. Maybe if we could take the millions of people who are affected by “regular” health issues and line them up in a row so that CNN could film them, it would make a difference?

Once again, all I’m suggesting is that it would be wonderful if everyone could look at this crisis and be motivated to give to other important causes as well.

Costacat
Member

07-15-2000

Friday, January 07, 2005 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jimmer, I think someone already said this, but many of us DO give to other important causes. I could provide you with a list of about 20 different organizations that I donate to throughout the year. However, it's really no one's business which charities or other organizations I contribute to, nor how often or when I do it.

FWIW, when there are times of no "crisis", CNN and other networks do address other "regular" health issues.