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Theowl
Member
09-28-2000
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 10:01 pm
Kstme, I'm so sorry about the little boy!! I know how important it was to you. That is really great though about the Mommy Lab!! I bet that is such a cute picture!! Labs are such great dogs anyway, but to accept another mothers babies is really heartwarming!! How long will it be now before you're a mom again? 
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Monday, May 24, 2004 - 6:21 am
Owl, my friend's litter is NOT my breeder's litter. Two different people. I get confused, too! It looks like Maesin and I won't be getting our little girl until after the first of the year. Bummer, but, hopefully, it will all work out. I am just hoping we can start our breeding program BEFORE I reach 70!!!
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 6:48 am
A sad update...Darby accidentally sat on one of the pups and suffocated it. Two had to be put down due to clef palates. Turned out there were two, not one. There are now 4 boys and 1 little girl. They seem to be strong and they are taking the formula really well. My friend sent Darby home. She was a terrific sur-mom, but because she is so big, my friend didn't want to risk losing another pup. This has been so traumatic for her and her family. I am thinking very positive thoughts for all of them. The remaining pups seem very healthy and strong!
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 8:35 am
Anybody ever have experience with dogs eating Decon? My brother just called and said one of their dogs - 10 month old husky/shephard - ate 2 boxes last night. All the vet said was to put her on vitamin K. So I guess if the vet isn't worried I shouldn't be but I am.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 1:50 pm
Vitamin K is an antidote. I gave it to a dog we had when he ate rat poison. He was fine.
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Babyruth
Member
07-19-2001
| Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 2:04 pm
Serate, here is some good information for your brother: VetCentric article link an excerpt: "Vitamin K1 is the antidote for rodenticide poisoning. Vitamin K1 is given under the skin in a veterinary hospital and by mouth for at least one month after exposure. It is absolutely essential to continue the medication for a month because the vitamin K does not enhance excretion of the toxin; it only prevents its effects. If the medication is discontinued prematurely, the affected pet can relapse with bleeding problems equal to the primary toxic assault. Most treatment failures are due to the pet owner’s failure to follow the veterinarian’s instructions. Too often the pet owner discontinues the vitamin K1 before the toxic levels of the drug have been excreted. This problem is largely preventable, and quick attention to the clinical signs often results in a happy outcome. If your pet is ever exposed to rodent poison, or even if you are just suspicious that it may have consumed it, call your veterinarian immediately. Do not wait. If this happens in the middle of the night, call an emergency clinic. Collect any poison package materials so that you can help the veterinarian identify the type of poison involved. In most cases, this toxicity can be treated if caught early. It may take several days for clinical signs of poisoning to appear, but the earlier the problem is treated, the more likely a favorable outcome will result. Treatment of rodent poisoning depends on when the poison was ingested and where the event occurred. If you know that your pet has just eaten a rodent poison, your veterinarian may make the pet vomit and might administer activated charcoal to bind the toxins. The doctor will also monitor blood values for several weeks in order to detect coagulation abnormalities early. Vitamin K1 and other medication may be required even if the problem is caught early because of the potentially severe side effects."
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 11:03 pm
Newest pic of my Boys. Bomba on left, Boomer-Rang on right.....

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Citruscitygal
Member
08-07-2003
| Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 11:51 pm
My son just adopted this little guy from the Humane Society. His name is Parker, they estimate 3 years old and a Corgi/Shepard mix. We are learning more & more about his personality the more he becomes comfortable with us. He's quite a character. One problem I would appreciate advice about. He doesn't like to ride in the the car. His resistance seems to be getting stronger as time goes on. As soon as you get near the car he does what we have labeled the "flop". He plops himself down on the ground and refuses to budge. No amount of coaxing, calling, pulling or bribing with treats of any kind will make him budge. Ultimately, he gets picked up, with some difficulty because he does not cooperate at all, and put on to the seat of the car. At first he sat quietly once in the car. Now he seems agitated. We don't want to traumatize him, but sometimes a ride in the car is necessary. HELP!!!

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Citruscitygal
Member
08-07-2003
| Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 11:53 pm
Sorry, I'm still working on my picture sizing skills.
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 12:39 am
Citruscitygal, what a cutey! Great looking dogs in the thread. A few weeks back I visited my sister and her husband. They have a german shepard puppy who's just the sweetest puppy. I fell in love instantly. Thought I would post a picture of him. His name is Bauer.

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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 7:35 am
Whoami, Citrus and Wendo...what terrific pictures!! I just LOVE puppies!! Citrus, I have a suggestion for helping your son's pup to get over his fear of cars. It's kind of a two part operation. First part...take his favorite treat or toy, be sure he sees you have it. Open both doors of the car or the front door of the travel crate. Kind of play with him back and forth/in and out of the car. Once he is comfortable 'chasing' his toy through the car, close one of the car doors. Put his treat INTO the car and make him sit for a while in the car. Finally, have him sit in his crate or seat with both doors closed. Do not do any of these exercises on a 'traveling' day. Keep working with him, making each training session no longer than 5 minutes. This may take a week or more, so don't be discouraged if he doesn't 'get it' immediately. Second part. When you've gotten him to the point, he thinks this whole thing 'might' be fun, take him on some short rides. I'm talking 3 blocks and back. Within a month, his hesitation regarding the car, should be just a memory.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 8:12 am
Oh, my gosh, Wendo. Will you ask your sis if I can have their puppy. German Shepards are the only 'true' dog IMHO.
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 10:51 am
Ophiliasgrandma, I've asked every day for him and they refuse to hand him over. LOL! I'll post more pics soon. Gotta reduce them down. However, here's one from when he was still really small. The breeder sent it to my sis so this is before they brought him home. Compare the above pic to the below. Amazing. He's only four months old!

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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 12:08 pm
Babyruth and Fruitbat - thanks for the info. It made me feel better. I sent it to my brother last night. The vet called today to check on Lucy. She's doing ok. The only symptom she had was blue-green hershey squirts, and that's stopped. The vet actually thinks this isn't the first time she's been exposed do to it because she's had the blue-green doo doo before, and that's a GOOD thing. When the cats catch a mouse they take it straight over to Lucy and watch her eat it, so he thinks there was a gradual build up in her blood. I don't think there's going to be anymore Decon. Told my brother that's why they have the 4 1/2 cats in the house! Babyruth your article confirmed what my brother had been telling me since his stroke last year [and I never believed it before]. My brother is taking Rat Poison [Coumadin]! 
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 10:20 am
Serate, Lucy is gorgeous! How is she doing? More updates from puppyville... My friend in Indiana has 4 boys and 1 female left. The female may not make it, but everyday that passes is a good sign. The pups are just over a week old. Her other female should deliver within two weeks and we've all got our fingers crossed she'll fly through her delivery. I don't think my friend could take another tragedy. My breeder in England has had some bad luck with Ollie's sister. She became very ill on Friday and Van almost lost her. She is unable to nurse her pups any longer because of the antibiotics she was given. Good news...the pups should be weaned by Wednesday...bad news...Van has had to coax them to 'try' eating for the last 4 days, every 2 hours. We definitely won't be taking one of the two females. We will take one in January from Ollie's Mum and Dad. The line is proven and we need some very good stock to start our line.
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Urgrace
Member
08-19-2000
| Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 1:03 pm
Thanks for the update Kstme. Passing some good vibes along for all the puppies and Ollie's sister too.
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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 5:00 pm
http://www.PetitionPetition.com/cgi/petition.cgi?id=6969
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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Saturday, June 05, 2004 - 7:34 pm
so my sister and bil got my niece a chihuahua puppy for her upcoming birthday. they got him today, and he is ADORABLE! he is just 6 weeks old, and he is so little! i had never seen a puppy chihauhau before. we are in LOVE with him! they named him pedro....lol!
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Saturday, June 05, 2004 - 8:44 pm
Jbean, HOW COOL!! They're so tiny as pups!! That's awesome!
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Sunday, June 06, 2004 - 9:00 am

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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, June 06, 2004 - 9:31 am
oh he is sooo cute!
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, June 06, 2004 - 4:16 pm
He's not peeing on the laptop is he? LOL! Cute one, for sure.
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Kstme
Member
08-14-2000
| Sunday, June 06, 2004 - 4:51 pm
Rosie, he's absolutely adorable! <what wendo said >
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Serate
Member
08-21-2001
| Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 11:58 am
Lucy update - she's doing just fine. No harmful effects from the DeCon. She's learned to push a kitchen chair to the counter and get into the cupboards above the counter so those have been tied shut as the bottom cupboards were weeks ago. She's a smart dog but my dad and brother just aren't stern enough with her. She's basically a little angel when I'm there even if I'm not inside. She knows she'll get into trouble with me but not them. The picture is her sleeping with Fred after they cleaned out the bowls and plates cupboard. [I think Fred gives her the idea what to get into!]

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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 3:16 pm
Serate, glad to hear Lucy's doing fine! Cute picture. Here's an article that's seeing pickup today in various news orgs, that might be of interest to those reading this thread. http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/06/10/dog.language.ap/index.html Is it just me, or is this something that dog owners have ALWAYS known? I know that my JRT knows TONS of words -- he knows a different word for every single toy he has (well over a dozen -- and can easily distinguish between the words for 4-5 different types of ball -- he has a "catch" ball, a "soccer" ball, a "hockey" ball, etc.), can put words together (he truly comprehends and reacts to 2-3 word phrases) and is very quick to learn new words. And it's not just my JRT. My last dog, a basset hound -- (who are loveable, but not considered the smartest dogs ever -- hope I don't offend anyone cause I love the breed and don't mean to) -- could do the same thing. It's funny to me how often "science" is behind the ball of common knowledge when it comes to animals (great ape intelligence is another example). Anyways, here's the article: --------------- Study finds dogs understand language Thursday, June 10, 2004 Posted: 10:16 AM EDT (1416 GMT) Rico, a dog with a "vocabulary" of nearly 200 words, can learn the names of unfamiliar toys after just one exposure to the new word-toy combination. WASHINGTON (AP) -- As many a dog owner will attest, our furry friends are listening. Now, for the doubters, there is scientific proof they understand much of what they hear. German researchers have found a border collie named Rico who understands more than 200 words and can learn new ones as quickly as many children. Patti Strand, an American Kennel Club board member, called the report "good news for those of us who talk to our dogs." "Like parents of toddlers, we learned long ago the importance of spelling key words like bath, pill or vet when speaking in front of our dogs," Strand said. "Thanks to the researchers who've proven that people who talk to their dogs are cutting-edge communicators, not just a bunch of eccentrics." The researchers found that Rico knows the names of dozens of play toys and can find the one called for by his owner. That is a vocabulary size about the same as apes, dolphins and parrots trained to understand words, the researchers say. Rico can even take the next step, figuring out what a new word means. The researchers put several known toys in a room along with one that Rico had not seen before. From a different room, Rico's owner asked him to fetch a toy, using a name for the toy the dog had never heard. The border collie, a breed known primarily for its herding ability, was able to go to the room with the toys and, seven times out of 10, bring back the one he had not seen before. The dog seemingly understood that because he knew the names of all the other toys, the new one must be the one with the unfamiliar name. "Apparently he was able to link the novel word to the novel item based on exclusion learning, either because he knew that the familiar items already had names or because they were not novel," said the researchers, led by Julia Fischer of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig. A month later, he still remembered the name of that new toy three out of six times, even without having seen it since that first test. That is a rate the scientists said was equivalent to that of a 3-year-old. Rico's learning ability may indicate that some parts of speech comprehension developed separately from human speech, the scientists said. "You don't have to be able to talk to understand a lot," Fischer said. The team noted that dogs have evolved with humans and have been selected for their ability to respond to the communications of people. Katrina Kelner, Science's deputy editor for life sciences, said "such fast, one-trial learning in dogs is remarkable. This ability suggests that the brain structures that support this kind of learning are not unique to humans and may have formed the evolutionary basis of some of the advanced language abilities of humans." Perhaps, although Paul Bloom of Yale University urges caution. "Children can understand words used in a range of contexts. Rico's understanding is manifested in his fetching behavior," Bloom writes in a commentary, also in Science. Bloom calls for further experiments to answer several questions: Can Rico learn a word for something other than a small object to be fetched? Can he display knowledge of a word in some way other than fetching? Can he follow an instruction not to fetch something? Fischer and her colleagues are still working with Rico to see if he can understand requests to put toys in boxes or to bring them to certain people. Rico was born in December 1994 and lives with his owners. He was tested at home. Funding for this research was provided in part by the German Research Foundation.
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