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Sarasmile
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02-09-2007
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 6:56 am
Buzz over the net is that the two people spoiled to be up may not be. It is possible they are the only ones safe. No one has anything definitive yet, but The Daily Star has removed its article about this week’s nominations- the two HMs above were cited there as being nominated.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 7:24 am
I guess with them not meant to be talking about nominations, but then allowed to, that it would be logical for them to nominate but have those nominations be opposite too. I kind of think it's wishful thinking from people who don't like the choice of nominees, but it would be good if it were true! Curious the Star story is down, although the Sun has one with the original nominees. We'll know in tick tock tick tock three hours!
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 7:35 am
Big Brother Online now has the same two nominees, and they've never been wrong.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 8:13 am
Maybe this time??? They could be wrong once???? Maybe? 
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 9:07 am
There's always a first time!
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 10:15 am
Confirmed on BBLB, Marcus and Halfwit. From the highlights show summary nominations are: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1099636 Bea: Marcus (encourages negative behaviour), David (no reason shown) Charlie: Halfwit, Marcus (no reasons shown) David: Halfwit (uses his intelligence to show people up), Marcus (no reason shown) Dogface: Marcus, Halfwit (no reasons shown) Halfwit: Marcus (he asked him to), David (no reason shown) Lisa: Halfwit, Marcus (no reasons shown) Marcus: Lisa, David (no reasons shown) Rodrigo: Halfwit, Marcus (no reasons shown) Siavash: Bea, David (no reasons shown) ~ Marcus 7 noms Freddie 5 ~ David 4 Lisa, Bea 1 Charlie, Dogface, Rodrigo, Siavash 0
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 11:27 am
<weeping> <sigh> So now they will get rid of one this week, the other next week and it will be the Lisa show all the way. Siavash is very careful not to rock the boat so he won't be much of support for whoever is left and he will go after next week. I hope Lisa isn't so stupid to believe Bea is her friend. I think Bea will be the first of that side to go. So the end will be Lisa, Charlie, Rodrigo, Sophie and David. I guess Charlie's little act will win him the show. I'd rather have Sophie win because while she is nasty, she does manage to hide it better than Charlie and besides, she has to pay for those boobs. We wouldn't want them repossessed. 
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 1:23 pm
I think if Marcus goes Freddie will stay to the final six. If Freddie goes this week there will be no way Marcus won't be up next week, and unless he's up against Bea he'll be gone and we'll have lost them both before the final. Bea's at it right now. I want her out soooo much! Straight away Bea sees a weakness, like when Freddie goes from his "courage" part where he decides to address a problem to when he gives in and decides to just apologise instead, off she goes on her "how could you do this?" rant. She's despicable. I don't think we've seen anyone quite as downright nasty as her, manipulative yes, but just so unfeelingly cruel, no. The one good thing is if this continues Marcus will definitely go over Freddie, whereas right now I'm worried about him going. And I've forgotten what I was going to say when I started typing!
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 1:24 pm
Hurrah for Marcus for honestly standing up for Freddie. That's why it's a shame both of them are up. Marcus has his bad parts but he will always stick up for someone if he thinks something wrong is happening.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 1:46 pm
Calmed down now. I would be a wreck in that house! Yes, MamaB: Siavash... I like him a lot and I think he tries to do the right thing but because, like you say, he's so careful not to do anything to put himself at risk he's not always helpful to his friends, and sometimes actually is unhelpful. Marcus was right on that, although until you and he said it (are you channeling Marcus, MamaB?) I hadn't even thought about it that way. I think we're going to get a really depressing top six. It'd be saved with a Freddie and Siavash top two, but I think it's more likely to be Charlie and Sophie up there. Sophie's obviously never put on weight before. The extra bounce goes everywhere Sophie! Oh good grief Freddie, just IGNORE her! Don't give her a second of your time, what are you doing apologising!
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 2:37 pm
It hurt to see how upset Freddie was. He really trusted Bea and she did ask him why she was nominated last week. He told her and she's been impossible since. She is the most insensitive person I've ever seen. She had to know how much she was upsetting him but she just kept on going. I think she realized that she'd gone over the line when Rodrigo spoke to her. But when he FINALLY refused to talk to her, she tried to pretend she gave a darn. It's really all about her isn't it? I think, even though most of them are angry at Freddy for the rules break yesterday, and many of them are quite jealous of his "position" in life, most of the housemates do like Freddie. If they can see the character assassination that Bea has done, they might put her ups next week. No one has Siavash in their sights since he goes out of his way to stay in the background and Bea is the low person on team Lisa. Wouldn't it be wonderful if next week it's Bea against Freddie? With her going of course. What's with Davina? Yesterday she said something about Bea being the best house mate ever and today she thought Freddie's breakdown was funny. Is she as insensitive as Bea?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 2:59 pm
When Davina says Bea's a "good housemate" I think she's saying that if you treat BB as a spectator sport, someone like Bea is tv gold - everyone is talking about her, everyone hates her, everyone is going to be obsessed with the show until Bea is gone. I don't think she means she thinks Bea is a nice person. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt over her retweeting that guy's twitter about finding the dramatics funny. I think she was saying when he goes into that really Shakespearian stuff (like when he was repeating what Bea had said to him) it is amusing IF you take out the emotional part and ignore the fact that he's really hurting. I don't think Davina's an unfeeling person (in fact I've seen her in other things and I know she isn't), she just seems to sometimes look at the show from the perspective of a producer, and watches for moments people will talk about rather than looking at their feelings. Not sure why I always feel the need to stand up for Davina but I do! I've been eating non stop since about the first Freddie scene in tonight's show. So upsetting to watch. I'm surprised BB didn't step in in a way, I would hope they at least had discussions about it. I know "bullying" is a word that's thrown around a lot in the UK in things like this, but it's things like this that shatter teenagers when it's done to them. I hate to think of a child who'd been victimised like that at school seeing it done on tv with no repercussions. They are very careful in dramas over there to mention helplines in the end credits of shows when the slightest thing in them might affect someone, and it really felt like this episode should have had a similar thing at the end of it, one of their "if anything in this show affected you and you would like to talk to someone about it please ring Helpline at 0800...," one of those announcements. I think it was that bad, or rather could have affected someone that deeply that they would need to talk about it that badly. Especially as some people are saying Freddie deserved it because he's so weird. The whole situation must feel so familiar to so many teens labelled that way.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 3:15 pm
Instead of calming down as I do my laundry and other chores, I'm getting angrier and angrier. Because of his dyslexia he must have been treated badly by other children. Because he was in boarding school, he didn't have the support of a family behind him on a daily basis. I think he's been putting up with the abuse he's gotten in the house from day one because it's what he's used to. In life he's found friends who support him and when Bea came in, he (and I) thought she'd be an addition to his support system in the house. She used it and turned it on him. He is emotionally immature, but it is endearing. I think he is the laid back person Bea pretended to be and couldn't wrap his head around the reality of her nastiness. Of all the housemates this year, I'd trust his integrity over any of the others. If anyone hit another in the house they'd be gone. I think verbal abuse is worse in a way because there is nothing to point at and say see the bruise. Emotional bruises are much harder to get over. I just wish he'd stop being such a gentleman and tell her that whatever she's been saying about him is not true, but is actually describing her behavior. It's almost as if he's afraid that if he starts he will hurt her. She deserves it, but I don't think he would do that.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 3:30 pm
Whatever he says, or Marcus or Siavash say, she will twist it. That's what she does. I agree, I don't think he will stick up for himself, and worse if he does stick up for himself he will do it in such an odd (to our eyes) way that he will just be criticised for that too. I don't know that there's any way out of this for him except for Big Brother to tell him they agree that Bea's behaviour was unacceptable. For the first time ever I wrote a complaint to Channel 4. They should have put something in this show to say that Bea's behaviour was unacceptable because children are watching it. Teens at risk are watching it. That's basically what I said to them, that they have a responsibility to show that what Bea did is abuse, however cleverly she words it. I think Bea deserves a formal and televised warning for what she did. It's far worse than the shouting matches we've seen. Imagine a husband treating a wife that way. Such a bad show on so many levels today.
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Tissy
Member
07-28-2003
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 4:02 pm
I wonder if one of the guys in there had treated a female in the same way would BB intervene then ? Seems they don`t care one iota for a hms mental state as long as it makes good <??> viewing. Same with Shilpa, it was only when the public started complaining about her treatment that they changed tact!! In fact it was one of the BB sideshows that started the public outcry when Dermott more or less suggested she bought their bullying behaviour on herself! Disgraceful BB !!
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 4:15 pm
Tissy, you just reminded me of something. Except that she doesn't swear, Bea is just like Evel Dick was on BB US. Unrelentingly going after everyone who didn't earn his favor, but singling out one person to heap abuse on. The problem is that TPTB and the general population seem to think that old childhood ditty, "sticks and stone can break your bones but words can never hurt you." To me, harmful words are far more lasting that physical punishment. There are those who can really take it and everything others say rolls right off, but most people have a soft spot and/or a person who gets to them. Some, like Freddie, wear their hearts on their sleeves and are easily harmed. The very least BB should have done is brought in a psychologist to talk to Freddie. He needs to know that in this particular situation he did nothing wrong and that she is completely out of order.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 5:07 pm
I can't imagine they would have let a male do that with a female crying in bed. They even protected Sree when Marcus parroted him. The BB voice that spoke to him did sound especially caring, but I agree, he needs to talk to someone about this because he doesn't have his usual support system or a means of getting away from the situation. Plus I really want any kids who are watching and are in a similar position to know that it isn't ok and they shouldn't just have to suffer through it. I wonder what's gone on today. If they haven't done anything about it then it's all a little too late.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:18 am
BB is looking for trouble. They are having an impersonator of the Queen come in to have tea with Rodrigo. If the housemates can convince Rod that it is the real Queen, they will win tokens and gifts. What will Rod do when he finally finds out it wasn't the Queen? If he gets so upset when Charlie plays pranks on him, how will he feel when BB pulls a giant prank like this. Last I heard, they have "security dogs" sniffing in the garden. They are going all out to make sure Rod thinks it is the real Queen. If he falls for it he is an idiot. He's lived there long enough to understand that it is unlikely. His innocence is a big act, but will he keep it up long enough for them to get their prizes?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:50 am
I think he'd believe it was true. He's going to feel so humiliated when he finds out. He just doesn't have a sense of humour about this sort of thing.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:09 am
Brian Belo talks sense.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:34 am
When Davina says Bea's a "good housemate" I think she's saying that if you treat BB as a spectator sport, someone like Bea is tv gold - everyone is talking about her, everyone hates her, everyone is going to be obsessed with the show until Bea is gone. I don't think she means she thinks Bea is a nice person. I agree with this, Kitt. I thought one of men guests said something similar last week or the week before. Bea is someone who will keep viewers with her behavior. I'm mad that Marcus is controlling the vote this week. He was asking people to nom him? I guess he feels he'll get more attention being booted than just walking? I almost wish the viewers wouldn't boot him, but Freddie instead. I'd like to see if Freddie would lose that fake exterior and actually get mad @ Marcus. I'd really like to see the real Freddie just once.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:36 am
Bea is so bad she could be on BB US, lol.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:40 am
I've been eating non stop since about the first Freddie scene in tonight's show. So upsetting to watch. I'm surprised BB didn't step in in a way, I would hope they at least had discussions about it. I know "bullying" is a word that's thrown around a lot in the UK in things like this, but it's things like this that shatter teenagers when it's done to them. I hate to think of a child who'd been victimised like that at school seeing it done on tv with no repercussions. They are very careful in dramas over there to mention helplines in the end credits of shows when the slightest thing in them might affect someone, and it really felt like this episode should have had a similar thing at the end of it, one of their "if anything in this show affected you and you would like to talk to someone about it please ring Helpline at 0800...," one of those announcements. I think it was that bad, or rather could have affected someone that deeply that they would need to talk about it that badly. Especially as some people are saying Freddie deserved it because he's so weird. The whole situation must feel so familiar to so many teens labelled that way. Kitt, was this Tuesday's Live Updates (which I missed) or was it the show one can watch @ the other place two hours later? Are you talking about Bea dressing down Freddie? I saw the Monday one (I think.) Did she go after him again? I'll check out the Tuesday show.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:49 am
Does anyone know why Freddie was nommed? Did he ask to be as well or did Bea orchestrate it. Or..is it just them going back to nomming Freddie every week? What's up with Marcus now being angry with Siavash. Is he trying to break the Siavash/Freddie friendship up?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 12:16 pm
It was Tuesday's 9pm show, the hour long one. It should be on that youtube-like place by now. Bea was doing more of the same, just on and on and it really broke Freddie. It was horrible to watch. Freddie being Freddie though, seems more or less back to normal in the small updates on the Ch4 site today. Doesn't mean he is normal of course, but at least he's out of bed. I don't think I would have been. For the nominations, my feeling is that Bea orchestrated it, as she knew Lisa and co's buttons as she watched the first half of the series before she entered the house. If she hadn't focused on someone else they might have targeted her, so she had to put the attention onto someone she knew they would happily get behind. Marcus and Siavash... I think part of it's from the Noirin thing, but Marcus is also right that Siavash was the one who wouldn't nominate, and that started the whole nightmare that's been the last week or so. Yet because Siavash tries to be nice and agreeable to everyone Marcus and Freddie take the blame. It's lucky Marcus has made it clear he wants to go and be on the outside shows before the end, because otherwise I'd be sad to see either go.
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