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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:22 pm
Here is a video which shows both James throwing the pickles and Dick pouring the tea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neN-8Q_frfk Do you think they are equal? Is one worse than the other?
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Charlottesmom
Member
01-03-2008
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:33 pm
Wow Bee. I have never seen it from that angle. James hurled it at Nat with huge force, right in her face, aggressively. Dick dumped tea on Jen's head. BIG difference between the two IMO. Wow, thanks for finding that.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:42 pm
Wow I agree. The two aren't comparable at all. Was that a glass container? If it had slipped out of James' hands he could have hurt her quite badly. James was much much more aggressive.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:51 pm
When placed side by side like that, showing only a few seconds of what happened, James's behaviour looks much worse. However, placed in context I think it was much less threatening than Dick's action. Both should have got in trouble for what they did, however. No one should be throwing anything at anybody on BB.
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Upstate
Member
02-11-2007
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:52 pm
Beek why is it so important that we have to decide which is worst? I guess I just don't get it. remember bekindpleez lol
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:54 pm
Why isn't it?
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:54 pm
Upstate...I don't think it's important. There has been much discussion about it in many threads. I just thought I'd start a place where we could carry on that discussion without losing it within the CHH or other threads. And, Upstate...I didn't say decide which is worse...I asked if they were equal or if it was thought that one was worse than the other.
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Bbnine
Member
02-16-2008
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:57 pm
Neither is appropriate .... but there is a huge difference with the way it was intended. Nat could of been seriously hurt becasue James was so vicious. jmo
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 4:04 pm
Still waiting for Matty to bust out the pickles....
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Sminger
Member
08-03-2007
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 4:19 pm
Anyone ever try fishing pickles out of a jar? They don't come out easily. I also don't think she looked doused in the juice. She did not wipe her eyes or her face from what I could see. It was mean and thrown in an aggressive way yes. I would have been livid. I hate to quote Sheila, but I think it was a "knee jerk reation". Nobody had to endure the viscous attacks that Jen did from Dick. And I seem to remember that Dick was loved by a lot of people! He was a real potty mouth and as far as I know producers never complained once.
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Sportsfan
Member
09-03-2007
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 4:21 pm
James really looked like he lost it when he threw the pickles, the difference is he launched it at Nat with force. Dick very calmly dumped iced tea over Jen's head. Both were wrong however one clearly was worse in my opinion.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 4:30 pm
What I want to know is where is the line? Objects (pickles, ice cubes) were thrown at Nat. Whats next? Is a cup still small enough? A plate? Or is it only wrong when they they throw furniture? I believe a line was crossed. I don't understand why BB doesn't see it that way. I don't think they can toss anyone for throwing anything after allowing this.
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Steviegirl
Member
07-07-2005
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 4:31 pm
It does make me wonder . . . since James was trying to not get kicked out of the game, if this had been outside of the house, would he have just hauled off and hit her? He was obviously furious, but had to hold back because of the "rules". Dick's move was more like "I'm tired of you, maybe this will shut you up."
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Bbnine
Member
02-16-2008
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 5:02 pm
if this had been outside of the house, would he have just hauled off and hit her? He was obviously furious, but had to hold back because of the "rules". from the look of ANGER on his face and actions ...no doubt in my mind he would of hit her if it had been outside of house, I think he holds in alot of anger. jmo
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 6:19 pm
He was obviously furious, but had to hold back because of the "rules". I guess I missed that part. I hadn't seen anywhere that the reason he "held back" was because of the BB rules... I had assumed that he was upset and gave it his worst... If he was "holding back" how did you know it was because of BB rules, rather than his own personal line??? If you have that conversation on video I wold love to see it
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Hiyall
Member
07-06-2005
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 6:23 pm
I thought the pickle incident was worse. For one as others have stated Dick calmly just poured the glass of tea over Jen's head. He didn't throw it at her. Two I don't think Dick would have done that had he not thought Jen was attacking his daughter and in his own weird way I think he was defending her. I watched the clip and James seem to do that out of nowhere. Maybe I missed it but I didn't even see him talking before he did it. Having said all of that I still think they were both bad incidents, BUT we were asked to say which we thought was worse and in this case the pickle one was definitely worse IMO.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 6:27 pm
You were not asked to say which you thought was worse. You were asked if you thought they were equal or IF one was worse than the other.
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Hiyall
Member
07-06-2005
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 6:31 pm
Oh sorry, yes I thought one was worse.
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Lyn
Member
08-07-2002
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 7:47 pm
James was much worse
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Craftyme
Member
03-07-2008
| Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 8:46 pm
I don't agree with either, but I definitely thought James was worse.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Monday, March 17, 2008 - 5:35 am
I don't agree with either, I just want to know where the line is. How many objects or what size do they need to be before it is unacceptable to BB.?
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Cheekychops
Member
08-12-2005
| Monday, March 17, 2008 - 6:15 am
and to add insult to injury we have Josh immediately throwing a glass of water on her. I think BB needs to start handing out penalty noms for HG's who do things like that. If they don't, future HG's will think its an acceptable form of aggression and, like some have mentioned already, there are chances the container used could cause serious bodily harm and could be considered assault.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Monday, March 17, 2008 - 7:09 am
BB showed ED doing it but has not showed James as of yet...to me that speaks volumes. Neither were appropriate, but James was much worse. As others have pointed out, the look on James' face was anger, maybe even rage. And it was thrown at her, not dumped on her like the tea incidence. Thank goodness the glass container didn't slip and hurt Natalie.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, March 17, 2008 - 8:53 am
I would hope that they have recognised they erred this season by not telling the hgs there would be no repeat of last season's antics. There's nothing they can do now with this cast, but hopefully this summer's cast will have different contracts and be told that NOW that is NOT acceptable.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Monday, March 17, 2008 - 9:59 am
Why do adults need a contract to know that it is unacceptable to throw things at people?
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