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Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Here is a video which shows both James throwing the pickles and Dick pouring the tea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neN-8Q_frfk

Do you think they are equal? Is one worse than the other?

Charlottesmom
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01-03-2008

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Charlottesmom a private message Print Post    
Wow Bee. I have never seen it from that angle. James hurled it at Nat with huge force, right in her face, aggressively. Dick dumped tea on Jen's head. BIG difference between the two IMO. Wow, thanks for finding that.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Wow I agree. The two aren't comparable at all. Was that a glass container? If it had slipped out of James' hands he could have hurt her quite badly. James was much much more aggressive.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
When placed side by side like that, showing only a few seconds of what happened, James's behaviour looks much worse. However, placed in context I think it was much less threatening than Dick's action.

Both should have got in trouble for what they did, however. No one should be throwing anything at anybody on BB.

Upstate
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02-11-2007

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Upstate a private message Print Post    
Beek why is it so important that we have to decide which is worst? I guess I just don't get it. remember bekindpleez lol

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Why isn't it?

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Upstate...I don't think it's important. There has been much discussion about it in many threads. I just thought I'd start a place where we could carry on that discussion without losing it within the CHH or other threads.

And, Upstate...I didn't say decide which is worse...I asked if they were equal or if it was thought that one was worse than the other.


Bbnine
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02-16-2008

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 3:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbnine a private message Print Post    
Neither is appropriate .... but there is a huge difference with the way it was intended. Nat could of been seriously hurt becasue James was so vicious. jmo

Carrie92
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09-15-2003

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 4:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carrie92 a private message Print Post    
Still waiting for Matty to bust out the pickles....

Sminger
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08-03-2007

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 4:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sminger a private message Print Post    
Anyone ever try fishing pickles out of a jar? They don't come out easily. I also don't think she looked doused in the juice. She did not wipe her eyes or her face from what I could see. It was mean and thrown in an aggressive way yes. I would have been livid. I hate to quote Sheila, but I think it was a "knee jerk reation". Nobody had to endure the viscous attacks that Jen did from Dick. And I seem to remember that Dick was loved by a lot of people! He was a real potty mouth and as far as I know producers never complained once.

Sportsfan
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09-03-2007

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sportsfan a private message Print Post    
James really looked like he lost it when he threw the pickles, the difference is he launched it at Nat with force.

Dick very calmly dumped iced tea over Jen's head.

Both were wrong however one clearly was worse in my opinion.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 4:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
What I want to know is where is the line? Objects (pickles, ice cubes) were thrown at Nat. Whats next? Is a cup still small enough? A plate? Or is it only wrong when they they throw furniture?

I believe a line was crossed. I don't understand why BB doesn't see it that way. I don't think they can toss anyone for throwing anything after allowing this.

Steviegirl
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07-07-2005

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 4:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Steviegirl a private message Print Post    
It does make me wonder . . . since James was trying to not get kicked out of the game, if this had been outside of the house, would he have just hauled off and hit her? He was obviously furious, but had to hold back because of the "rules".

Dick's move was more like "I'm tired of you, maybe this will shut you up."

Bbnine
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02-16-2008

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 5:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbnine a private message Print Post    
if this had been outside of the house, would he have just hauled off and hit her? He was obviously furious, but had to hold back because of the "rules".


from the look of ANGER on his face and actions ...no doubt in my mind he would of hit her if it had been outside of house, I think he holds in alot of anger. jmo

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 6:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
He was obviously furious, but had to hold back because of the "rules".

I guess I missed that part. I hadn't seen anywhere that the reason he "held back" was because of the BB rules... I had assumed that he was upset and gave it his worst... If he was "holding back" how did you know it was because of BB rules, rather than his own personal line??? If you have that conversation on video I wold love to see it

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 6:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
I thought the pickle incident was worse. For one as others have stated Dick calmly just poured the glass of tea over Jen's head. He didn't throw it at her. Two I don't think Dick would have done that had he not thought Jen was attacking his daughter and in his own weird way I think he was defending her.

I watched the clip and James seem to do that out of nowhere. Maybe I missed it but I didn't even see him talking before he did it.

Having said all of that I still think they were both bad incidents, BUT we were asked to say which we thought was worse and in this case the pickle one was definitely worse IMO.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 6:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
You were not asked to say which you thought was worse. You were asked if you thought they were equal or IF one was worse than the other.

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 6:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
Oh sorry, yes I thought one was worse.

Lyn
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08-07-2002

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 7:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lyn a private message Print Post    
James was much worse

Craftyme
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03-07-2008

Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 8:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Craftyme a private message Print Post    
I don't agree with either, but I definitely thought James was worse.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Monday, March 17, 2008 - 5:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
I don't agree with either, I just want to know where the line is.

How many objects or what size do they need to be before it is unacceptable to BB.?

Cheekychops
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08-12-2005

Monday, March 17, 2008 - 6:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cheekychops a private message Print Post    
and to add insult to injury we have Josh immediately throwing a glass of water on her.

I think BB needs to start handing out penalty noms for HG's who do things like that. If they don't, future HG's will think its an acceptable form of aggression and, like some have mentioned already, there are chances the container used could cause serious bodily harm and could be considered assault.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Monday, March 17, 2008 - 7:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
BB showed ED doing it but has not showed James as of yet...to me that speaks volumes. Neither were appropriate, but James was much worse. As others have pointed out, the look on James' face was anger, maybe even rage. And it was thrown at her, not dumped on her like the tea incidence. Thank goodness the glass container didn't slip and hurt Natalie.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, March 17, 2008 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I would hope that they have recognised they erred this season by not telling the hgs there would be no repeat of last season's antics. There's nothing they can do now with this cast, but hopefully this summer's cast will have different contracts and be told that NOW that is NOT acceptable.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Monday, March 17, 2008 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Why do adults need a contract to know that it is unacceptable to throw things at people?