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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 10:43 am
Thought maybe we could use a thread for this discussion since it seems to come up in so many other threads. Josh has continually mentioned how he is using Dick's tactics throughout this game and comparing himself and his gameplay to Dick's. I don't see it as Dick's game at all. Dick had purpose to his tactics. He didn't do things simply for the "shock factor" of doing them. He did them to further himself in the game, to guide him to a position of power and to turn houseguests against other houseguests and save himself or Daniele or even the others he had short-term alliances with. Josh, on the other hand, uses these bashing techniques only for the value of the bashing itself. His tactics have not furthered him or turned anyone against a certain person on their own. Yes, Amanda took the brunt of his attacks and was voted out, but by that point the others had already turned on her anyways. Josh has now begun what he calls the Josh in the Morning show in which he steps outside, says a prayer to God to help him deal with the "idiots" (his word) of the house, then sits down and talks for about a half an hour in a most vile way about each and every one of them. Sorry, but to me, the Dick at Night show was a way for Dick to get his thought process clear and for us to better understand his ultimate gameplay and the reasoning behind his actions. Josh is just talking for the sake of talking and because he thinks we will find this kind of extreme "ugly talk" entertaining. I know many feel that Dick and Josh have the same game, but I don't see that at all. I would value others' point of view on this.
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Justalittlebean
Member
08-15-2003
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 10:46 am
I don't see Josh and Dick playing the same way because Josh seems to have a very bad anger issue. If you watch him when he's ranting, he's like a caged animal. I swear his head is going to explode.

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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 10:47 am
Yes..into a pile of glitter. LOL
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Steviegirl
Member
07-07-2005
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 10:52 am
I don't see this as playing "Dick" at all. I think Josh only heard the rantings Dick did, and missed the gameplay behind it completely. These people are not itimidated by Josh. He is a joke. He runs nothing in that household. And because he compares himself to Dick, these tactics will not get him further in the game. With Dick we weren't sure what to expect next. Josh is predictable. I was NOT a Dick fan a lot of the time last season. But I can admit he played one heck of a game. It can't be repeated, especially not by Josh.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 11:05 am
I don't see him playing anywhere near the game Dick played. Josh has jumped on things that were hearsay, unlike Dick, who made sure his attacks were substantiated with some facts. Dick was able to take information and with Dani's help puzzle that info into truth. I don't see Josh having those instincts. I think Josh is playing more like Dustin. He's Cocky, mean spirted, never has the facts, and easily manipulated without even knowing it until he has that "deer in the headlights look", when he gets duped.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 11:15 am
I think that Josh's attacks are strategic in nature. Josh uses more verbal attacks than threats of physical violence. Josh compares himself to Dick only to let people in the house know that he is allowed to do the things he is doing. Unfortunately he has forgotten the most important part of Dick's game. America's Player.
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Spitfire
Member
07-18-2002
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 11:29 am
This is what I posted about this before..... Spitfire Member 07-18-2002 Monday, March 03, 2008 - 6:52 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nice to know I'm not the only one that doesn't like his nasties. Eeyore your post is spot on about how I feel and Pamy your right...inside ugly is hard to get rid of. What they aired on Sunday night made me so angry towards him. Again, I don't watch live feeds but Dick never seemed to bother me as much. I always took his comments as in terrible taste but got the feeling he knew what he was doing was wrong and hurtful. He wanted to portray a tough guy. To me, Josh is just simply crass and has no care about others feelings. He lives in his own Josh bubble of complete perfectness or something.
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Steeltoe
Member
05-19-2007
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 11:31 am
Trust me, Josh is no Dick. There is no way he can ever be Dick not even in his dreams, is he on Dick's level. Besides, I liked Dick and really dislike Josh.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 12:02 pm
Josh's "strategy" is just as successful as Dick's "strategy". Neither one of them makes a whole lot of sense to anyone who is an outside observer. Ranting and attacking never got Dick anywhere. He never shook anyone up, he never took anyone off their game. His dumping of tea on Jen was not done as a reaction to being nominated or even to "call anyone out" it was strictly because he lost it and behaved like a child. His tantrum after being nominated was supposedly so they would evict him instead of Dani, but even as it was occurring, the targets of this supposed strategy had already decided that they would evict Dani, because she was the stronger competitor. The irony of people claiming that Josh has "anger issues" and Dick doesn't is that both Allison G., producer, and Dick himself have said that the network didn't want Dick on the show BECAUSE of his anger issues. Dick revealed on the live feeds that he had to go to an anger management class before they would let him in the house. But the mythology that Dick was just using pure strategy lives on. I think Josh believes he is using Dick's strategy, but as Caprica said, he doesn't realize that Dick's strategy only worked because of the careful editing that gave him a leg up in the America's Player votes and gave him 3 votes in the house...his own, Dani's and AP. But, because Josh only watched DVDs of the show, he has no idea of how ineffective Dick's strategy really was.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 12:05 pm
thanks for the validation
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 12:11 pm
You spoke the truth 
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 12:12 pm
I agree with Earthmother that Josh is playing Dustin's game. He has no strategy to his attacks and no reason to jump on people when he does. He's not loyal to anyone, and he's not honest about what he's doing. He believes that he is the "good" person who needs to rid the house of "evil." Dick was never delusional about who he was or what he was doing.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 12:18 pm
the targets of this supposed strategy had already decided that they would evict Dani, because she was the stronger competitor Exactly why he did it. By the end of that week, they would have evicted him and not her. Dick was just using pure strategy lives on Didn't say it was "pure" strategy...just that, for the most part, it had purpose whereas Josh's doesn't. AP was not the sole factor for Dick winning. AP was one vote, and as we all know, Eric could have convinced the others to vote him out at any time even though he was forced to vote to keep him in. Dick won HOHs and POVs when he had to, used his tactics when he had to. AP did not hand Dick the game.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 12:24 pm
AP is the reason Dustin not Dick was evicted.
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Govols
Member
07-19-2005
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 12:30 pm
Saguaro Member 06-21-2005 Monday, March 10, 2008 - 10:10 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Danielle just said that on House Calls ... saying Josh needs to come up with his own game instead of copying Dick.
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 1:12 pm
Josh has said he has taken a page from Dicks book NOT Dicks whole game strategy. Dick got emotional in his attacks only against Jen-IMO that stemmed from the first food comp. when Jen made the "don't let the old man touch you" comment. Josh is playing 75% emotional when he has his outbursts. he other way Josh is playing like Dick, only doing it a bit better is how he outs all the "secrets" that he hears.. Dick brought a lot of things to the fore front but Josh has managed to do it much better.. (which is part of the problem with what is happening right now.. he isn't hearing Sheila's lies so he can't out them) The difference in the outbursts for me is simple.. Dick was a man attacking a woman, Josh is just one of the girls going after one of his own. And if he was a man of smaller stature i think people would have seen it that way, as they never would have seen him as a "scary" guy at all. Just imagine Beau doing the same things Josh is-the internet would have been laughing the collective buts off- and never seen him as a threat to hurt anyone physically. I like both Josh and Dick and I say again the one with real issues in that house is Matt, and his have nothing to so with his game play.
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Steeltoe
Member
05-19-2007
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 1:23 pm
I don't really care for Josh's game, he seems to be letting his feelings get in the way of his game play. If he had not seen James throw something on Natalie, I do not think he would have thrown the water. He seems to be on the path of doing some serious harm to someone and I do not like his game play. He is only attacking women if he were really following Dick's game play he would do the same to the men. <77>
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 2:25 pm
I think opinions of Dick's "strategy" may be colored by the fact that he won BB8. Most of the vile and disgusting things Dick said had no strategic value that I can recall. What was the strategic value of expressing his desire to rape Carol's corpse? Or expressing his desire to rape various female HGs anally and make them bleed? Sorry, I don't see strategy there. <77> I don't know that I can compare their games. Josh seems to think he's playing Dick's game (and Chelsia has also expressed the idea that she might shake someone up before a competition in order to throw them off of their game). Right now, it doesn't look like he's in a good position, so he and his alliance need to win some HoHs to keep him in the game.
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Shopstomuch
Member
07-09-2007
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 2:36 pm
I think that there were times that you could actually see a good and decent side to Dick, maybe because his daughter was in there, whereas with Josh you see NONE of that. He has ZERO empathy towards anyone. There is something very very cold and cruel and angry about Josh that Dick showed America at times. Yes, Dick attacked but MANY of the times he did, they were very very premeditated in many many cases. I see Josh trying desperately at playing Dick's game, but failing miserably <77> Like when he was going after Amanda... while watching I could actually see that he wanted to do her harm... throwing the water at her from the hot tub and the towel. He is a long way off from even being comparable to Dick because there were times that even if you hated Dick you could see he had the ability to feel empathy, compassion and be funny. <77>
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 2:52 pm
In response, I would say that SOME people couldn't see a good and decent side with Dick and SOME can see that in Josh. Dick was put in the house with his own child and allowed to pretend to be a good father. People found that somehow endearing, that he chose to try to be her father in the house. I didn't and felt that most of the time he was just putting on a show. I freely admit that that was my interpretation of his actions and that others may have seen it differently. If Josh was put in the house with his mother or father or someone he actually cares about, we would probably see him appear to show kindness, empathy and compassion. I doubt that he is as lacking as people claim. I just think that this particular group, for whatever reason, is highly reactive and judgmental and that feeds into some of Joshuah's worst behavior patterns. Personally, I don't really like Josh and I'm not rooting for him simply because I don't like Dick's "techniques" and I'd prefer people not to copy them. At the same time, I don't really see him as "worse" than Dick or anyone else in the house for that matter.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 2:55 pm
Dick never claimed to be a good father or even pretend to be one. He often spoke of how he wasn't a good father.
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Shopstomuch
Member
07-09-2007
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 3:16 pm
Dick did say many times how he had made many mistakes in being a father... but, I do think you were able to see both the good and bad w/ him whereas w/ Josh we are only seeing the bad.
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Bbpeach
Member
07-07-2005
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 3:31 pm
I think Josh truly believes he is better than the rest. Last nite when he was having his little show in the hot tub alone, he was putting down everything about these people. He said things about no one having an education, that they don't buy expensive things (Prada, etc.), that they all come from broken homes, "he's a roofer" like he was just disgusted. If he would at least giggle about it or something, I could chalk it up to cattiness, which with people like Marcellus and Amy, I thought was hysterical. But he has such a hatred about it, that I just find it deplorable. As for him just being one of the girls, he says things that I've never heard even a group of girls say!! Dick was a rebel. He expected to get out and have many people hate him. Josh expects to get out and be loved.
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 3:56 pm
I just find it sad that he and others are getting away with a lot more this season, because "Dick did it last year". On the other hand, I find it refreshing to listen to the feeds and not hear spitting every few seconds.
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Bbnine
Member
02-16-2008
| Monday, March 10, 2008 - 4:08 pm
The difference in Josh and Dick ..... Dick was being himself .... Josh is trying to be like Dick .... he is coming in and copying Dick .... Josh is just another Dustin with bad manners and bad language.....<24> he needs to go next!
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