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Tk27
Member
07-04-2004
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 4:33 pm
Can we do it here?
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Rbk10
Member
08-12-2005
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 4:43 pm
ED said he will be hosting for pov comp.. hope he will riled up on josh
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Twinkietoes
Member
02-26-2008
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 4:44 pm
You are funny Tk. I thought what we were talking about WAS current. I know you probably dont agree but Dick and Josh are both bad, but Josh definitly tries desperatly to make it as hurtfull and tastless as he can get away with and then some.
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Tk27
Member
07-04-2004
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 4:48 pm
Actually Twink I agree with you bigtime. I can't stand either one of them.
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Twinkietoes
Member
02-26-2008
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 4:50 pm
I didnt like Dick either but somehow I could see the good in him somewhere down deep, with Josh I'm still looking.
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Tk27
Member
07-04-2004
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 4:51 pm
It was hard for me because for the first few weeks Dick was my faovrite. But he lost me. Josh I couldn't stand from the get go.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 4:55 pm
I honestly don't feel it even matters (although, as I said in the other thread, I find Josh far worse as he is hitting deeply sensitive areas and being as cruel as I've ever heard anyone being. Plus he is hurting innocent family members). I think the most important thing is stopping what should have been stopped before this. I feel the real issue here is that BB made a serious mistake when they didn't reel in ED. Now we have someone taking what he did and IMHO doing it far more and in way that is deeply hurting people. If I had to compare the two, I'd say Dick was black fly season in New Hampsire (bugs that are a super pest and you feel like you can't get rid of them, but they don't do much damaage beyond being super annoying) VS mosquitos. Heck I'd even say mosquitos that seriously have the potential to be West Nile virus carriers. I see real harm and hurt coming to folks from Josh's rants, especially those not in the house. IE Sheila's son, Nat's Mom, etc. If you recall Nat was as upset as she was not because he hurt her, but because she knew it would deeply hurt her Mom. So for those reasons and more, I think Josh is far worse. And as I started saying I feel the real issue is that BB failed to stop it last year and must correct that error now or seriously shudder to think what may come next, either from him or someone after him. ETA to add one more point. With ED I felt he basically was behaving as he did in real life, good or bad. With Josh, I see these hateful attacks as being his main strategy to win the game, with any hurt or victims be damned. Not saying it's right, but I truly believe Dick has no filter and is like that in or out of BB. While I doubt Josh is a super sweet guy out of BB, I truly think he is on a mission to win by destroying other HG emotionally. And I do not care for that type of gameplay at all.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 5:05 pm
Josh does not have the skills nor the game play that Dick had. Dick never attacked unless he had some proof/truth to use against his foe. He didn't just make stuff up. Even though Josh tries to play that way when you start blackmailing to the level he did today he's lost his edge. I also think that whole "my kid will be picked on if you say that stuff" is just Sheila being Sheila. Dick's son wasn't tormented for his dad's behavior.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 5:22 pm
Sorry EM, but Dick's son wasn't a 16 or 17 year old who is being called out as being "mentally retarded" by another HG, to be followed (or so he said) by remarks about how low sexually his Mom was etc. I see the 2 as being VERY different. This is a HG telling another one that if she doesn't purposefully throw winning an HoH comp, her closest relative OUTSIDE the BB house will be attacked and potentially very hurt on live TV. To me that is a new all time BB low, an unacceptable strategy, and it's dragging an innocent minor into BB gameplay. And all that aside, now the HG can threaten others not to win HoH or a loved one gets hurt? Come on. ED never did anything even remotely close to that. So while I agree with the first part of your post, I honestly feel that Sheila's concerns are legitimate and not just gameplay. I think any mother would be horrified at what James threatened. And I would think any HG would be annoyed that they were being told if they took their fair shot at winning HoH that a loved one outside the game would be trashed.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 5:33 pm
Dick's son was tormented for his dad's behavior. In fact, there were many on this board that followed Vincent's activities and reported quite negatively on them here.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 5:49 pm
I do not condone Josh's threats, Mick did not sign up for this game and it is just wrong for Josh to even suggest that he will attack him. But I believe that Sheila herself opened up that door. Sheila is the one who likes to bring her son and the fact that she is a single mom and the fact that she has a son and that she is a mom into the conversation. Sheila is the one who has asked for support because she has a son to raise... Just saying, when you open a door, you gotta expect someone to walk in...
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 7:21 pm
Josh vs Dick. Dick was original. Love him or hate him (as many of us did) he was completely unpredictable. He could be vicious one minute and incredibly sensitive the next. Dick never stopped playing the game for one second when he was in the house, and he was handicapped by the fact that he was trying to heal a fractured relationship at the same time. He has and will always get props from me on all this. I know many posters disagree. Joshuah doesn't seem to have an ounce of conviction in his body. He doesn't appear to truly believe in anything. He's using the copycat approach to playing the game without reading the manual first. He is just copying surface actions, without taking into account the undercurrent and skillful manipulation that goes on behind the scenes. Joshuah pontificating on his self-appointed platform with an audience of one last night was just sad in the end. Sharon hasn't an original thought in her head either, so they were quite the pair during the first hour of so of BBAD. His sense of self-entitlement is so overblown that there is no reality check strong enough to real him back in. He loves to blow smoke to his minions, but I've rarely seen him take on a target that actually might bite back. I'm eagerly anticipating that moment, actually.
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Emm119
Member
07-12-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 3:47 pm
I was just reading all of the comments about ED and Josh and the difference between them. The biggest difference that I can see is that Josh only picks on the women right before competitions. Maybe he thinks that he can win this way. Never picks on any of the guys, but, of course, he thinks he is far more intelligent than any of them and rules the house. He is mean spirited and remembers anything that is told to him so he can bring it back up to hurt the person that he has decided is his biggest threat. I don't recall him being up for eviction, but when the time comes and he is, you won't find him wiping the floor with anyone.
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 3:56 pm
Not trying to condone what ED said or did, but I still contend that despite how horrible many of the things ED said and done were, the purpose behind them was strategy. He was trying to intimidate the HGs and unnerve them. Josh just seems to enjoy being mean and cruel, and only targets the women. At least ED was an equal opportunity verbal assassin.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 4:02 pm
Didnt Dick dump liquid on a HGs head, I forget all their names, but I think her name was Jennifer. he terrorized her and my view at the time was that BB should have given him a penalty nomination for pouring the liquid over her head. That BB and AG have allowed these HGs progressively each year to push the envelope when it comes to verbal and psychological assault, it is just wrong. There has to be a limit set with these HGs and there isnt I never liked Dick, and from what I have seen so far I dont like any of the HGS at this point except Ryan. The only reason I like Ryan is that there is nobody else. He is the male version of Lisa from BB3
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Steviegirl
Member
07-07-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 4:38 pm
Ditto all of what Darclyte said.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 4:48 pm
The imitation is never as good as the original!
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Steviegirl
Member
07-07-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 5:29 pm
Adam just said "Josh, you are not the gay Evel Dick". Josh - "I know, ED made that clear" Adam - "I don't think he likes you." lol
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 5:30 pm
LMAO Thanks for that, Stevie!
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 6:35 pm
Didn't ED go at Amber about her daughter learning she was on dope etc? And didn't ED tell one houseguest that she needed to be raped anally until she bled? I could go on and on and remember there was no gameplay in the things he said to Amber..she wasn't any threat.
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Hooters
Member
08-26-2006
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 6:50 pm
He did say all those things Supergranny.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 6:57 pm
And more!! Josh is nothing compared to <24> Evil Dick!
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 9:15 pm
I think James is more comparable to ED this year. They should have been in the house together so AG could get her fill of bad boys and possibly had a different theme and normal HG's this year, who by the way..didn't know each other and weren't forced to play together.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 10:20 pm
he was completely unpredictable ED was predictable and obvious. He had a routine and kept it up even when his targets were gone. Heck, ED kept up the 'routine' even out of the house. Gameplay? nope. Josh- He is playing a clean game. Badmouthing Sheila's son privately to his team is not "attacking the son in sheila's face" Dick did not have material for some of the HGs so he would fabricate Rape and murder threats. Josh has not threatened to rape or kill anyone. Even Ali confessed she extrapolated the threat due to Josh's Key slash. Josh has made stupid smirky sounding jokes about wishing people would die, but that is completely different than the furiously shaking eyebulging rants Dick would do regularly. Josh has blown twice. Big Deal If this thread is for a Legitimate Comparison of ED to Josh, lets go for it. But I feel this looks like a thread for Dick fans to try to say ED didnt Start this type of gameplay. josh is small potatoes and has only worked with the material that was Offered him by the HGs themselves.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 10:26 pm
<76> Josh has wished his housemates dead, said Nat's mother needed a bullet in her head, etc. You know I am an ED fan, we debated the points last season. Others opened the door during their seasons, Dick took it to a whole level. You'll get no argument from me on that. Point is, Josh is copying what he thinks was Dick's style. He got it wrong.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 10:47 pm
Josh said those things to her face? Like ED used to do with his victims throughout the game, whether there was a comp that day or not? I agree Josh has got it wrong, he is playing it way better, more calmly and i think he isnt going to make it past final five because the Fear factor isnt there with the guys. Even Zach would tippytoe around Dick since he freaked out so easily. Josh is even keeled. He can go from a comedic rant to Laughing happily and goofy. Dick would be simmering steaming and venting for hours to anyone who would sit with him. BUT lets agree to disagree. I just want to know what happened during the POV comp. 
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 7:32 pm
Josh has gotten it completely wrong. He is TRYING to copy Dick's style, and it's not working. Dick was all about gameplay and making sure that his daughter stayed in the game. Even to the point of putting a target on his own back (however, Dustin took the bullet on that one). Josh is not nearly the gameplayer that Dick was and he never will be.
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