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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:15 pm
i was with those posters who backed jen. Jen didnt DO anything to anyone, she kept to herself. The comparison with Amanda falls short when you look at the gossip, lies and sleazy behaviour Amanda has shown on the feeds. each person had their 'go' at amanda for lots of NONpersonal, game reasons. Amanda was under tons of stress shortly before her faint. Caught redhanded Lying and fabricating gossip to cause infighting between other HGs. Jen never did such a thing.
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:36 pm
I was a Jen backer too!
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 12:10 am
I supported Jen and I support Amanda. I tend to side with the picked-on over the bullies. Even if you think that "Amanda brought it on herself" (I don't agree), I don't understand supporting the level of abuse she has received. I don't understand thinking it's okay for someone to mock her father's suicide, and that "she deserved it". YMMV.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 12:13 am
Jen lied, jen spread gossip, <sg>. I can give you examples to all of those, if you would like. Amanda wasn't caught red handed lying, people who were caught lying blamed amanda, because it was the easiest thing to do. She wasn't under undo stress, other than what is normal in the game. She had a dropping blood glucose level and no ability to do the things she would normally do to regulate it. Unless you've got a way to read Amanda's mind or a censor to determine exactly what set off her blood levels, all proclamations of cause are pure speculation. <sg>
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Kadaisy03
Member
02-17-2008
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 2:51 am
<sg> I think it's people who were watching the feeds often before the fight, and seeing Amanda's actions, and not agreeing with them. I haven't read anybody saying that she deserved to be personally attacked, or she was faking her faint. This is during the first week or so of feeds. Here is exactly why I think Amanda deserved to be called out on in the fight. (But let me make clear that I don't think she deserved the suicide comments or other personal attacks): 1) She was extremely flirty with Parker, Alex, and Matt. She wore those very revealing clothes, and rubbed up on them, made really insinuating, and sleazy comments. And then, when her own partner wanted to act on those comments, she pushed him away and found every reason to blame him, and then spread rumors around the house about him. This has gone further than the other girls, because while they wear revealing clothes, they don't go around to the different guys and act really suggestive around them. To me, Natalie and Chelsia's naked hot tub thing wasn't as bad as Amanda actually being on these guys, because you didn't actually see anything and it was more of a wild and crazy party night instead of a manipulative, seductive effort. 2) She went from person to person, and made up things about them from out of the blue. She accused James and Chelsia being brother and sister, and made a huge scene to bring everybody in the room and call them out. She had Natalie go up into the HOH room with Alex and lie in bed with him, and then walked up there, opened the door, and pretended like she walked in on them being intimate, and ran out of the room. She accused James of saying that she and Parker knew each other before, even after Alex told her he didn't say any names or insinuate anybody, and made a huge blow up scene in the backyard and got Parker screaming at him. And the list goes on. This is worse in my opinion than people just lying about their alliances or who they're going to vote for, or twisting around somebody's words. And then there's the general stuff that you see in Big Brother where people become close friends and then make fun of them behind their backs, which Amanda has done ALOT. But this isn't out of the oridinary, it's just the top of why I was glad that she was called out. The actual fight wasn't about the one comment Amanda made. It was about it all. That comment was just the last straw, even if it did turn out that Amanda was right. And I thought Amanda was definitely provoking Chelsia, because Chelsia did come out heated, but she was controlled, and even sat down with her in with her legs in the hot tub. So, those are my reasons why I thought Amanda was going above and beyond the other people. I'm sure other people share in this. People have reasons why they don't like a specific player. It's not a hunt or a huge effort to break one girl down. It's seeing what she does, and reacting. AGAIN- she didn't deserve the personal attacks and the comments on her dad. She deserved the attacks on what she said and the frustration all the houseguests had with her. Earlier that day James and somebody else went up to Alex in confidence, and told him he needs to do something about her. Obviously, their feelings were genuine, because they weren't talking about her behind her back, and they weren't calling her out in front of everybody for strategy, but they felt that she was doing enough damage that they would go to her own parter, and privately mention something. Personally, I like Amanda. Since the fight, she has become my one of my favorites. She has been playing a lot better now. I want Alex and her to win. And now, I need to get a life!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 3:36 am
I haven't read anybody saying that she deserved to be personally attacked, or she was faking her faint. thank you - Frankly, anyone who has the ability to chameleon their way back into everyone's good graces may end up final Three!! it will all depend if the drama can end. People have reasons why they don't like a specific player. the only player I dont like is Sheila. I didnt like how she glommed into the Ali and Amanda when they came into the house after being sick. I dont see that she is playing a 'decent' game. amanda and ali are playing hard regardless of their health.}
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 10:13 am
>Jen caused zero drama in her season, other than being a target for dick.< Were we watching the same show? I don't want to get into a whole ED vs Jen thing, but Jen created all sorts of drama with her crying about her picture, the things she said about Nick and Danielle, the stories she told about her life, and the way she acted towards most of the house...usually indifferent and bemused. I'm not saying she was evil incarnate, but she did create her fair share of drama. ED's antics just dwarfed hers by comparison, but she was no wall flower. She also did not create half the drama that Jen, Amanda, Allison, Parker and Sheila have. If it were not for ED, Sheila could be viewed as the most vicious HGs for the way she treated Adam from Day One. Adam has not helped his own cause, but Sheila is just playing the game in a completely erratic fashion. At least ED had reasons and plans for his behavior, as bad as it was (I don't condone it, but at least I could understand what he was doing, as vile as it was.) Sheila just seems to have lost whatever marbles she came into the house with.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 11:33 am
quote:I haven't read anybody saying that she deserved to be personally attacked, or she was faking her faint.
I have - all over this board.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 11:48 am
me too, big time
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Kittyab
Member
07-16-2005
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 3:38 pm
I am hypoglycemic, and I dont get much of a warning if my sugars are low. It will hit me a ton of bricks. I never passed out, but I have had to sit down because I felt faint, weak, etc. When I was pg, I really had issues. I am surprised that BB dont dont medical work ups on these people. They are a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 3:46 pm
I'm glad you added your two cents worth Kitty, many of us who have posted Also have hypoglycemia and all of us talk about how we respond when a low sugar hits us.
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Kittyab
Member
07-16-2005
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 3:59 pm
I have a dumb question to ask... Allison had to said earlier she has a peanut allergy. Why the heck did they have peanut butter in the house???? Sunshyne, its really funny how quick it can hit you. You can be standing in line somewhere and all of a sudden it gets dark and you feel the need to sit down asap. That happened to me at a fast food place. I had find my way to the lady's room to splash water in my face so I wouldnt pass out. So I can believe that Amanda didnt fake it BUT BB Should had known better. They could had put fruit in the slop.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 5:07 pm
I HAVE the condition. it is really embarrassing to be working in Emerg and then Be overcome LOL I felt like an idiot but it would get so busy you'd lose track of time and eating. HECK you were lucky if ya got a pee break! Then I started sipping Coke all night LOL ***** no one said amanda faked it Kitty, believe me. I was on for hours during that time period. but ONLINE Chelsia and Alison did wonder if she kinda set it up. Chelsia said she had seen her hyperventilating (or soemthing like that, I cant rmember word for word)
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Kittyab
Member
07-16-2005
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 5:48 pm
Sunshyne, why didnt BB know about Amanda's condition and Allison's peanut allergy? Amanda told them in the DR and was ignored.
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 5:57 pm
I don't think Allison has a peanut allergy-she ate one. *ed-I think she said she didn't have one...sorry
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 6:00 pm
I didnt see that, when I was watching Amanda she was trying to get into the storage room because she wanted fruit and they wouldnt let her because she is supposed to be on slop/condiments. She then told them she was Hypoglycemic. She went to alex and nat, both encouraged her to eat/drink something sweet and she refused proceeding to walk around for about another 15 mins before collapse. AManda may have gone into DR another time and told them, But I wasnt watching then so I'm not sure how much they knew. OH and Alison said she ate peanuts all the time. They were guessing it was a peanut she ate off of the ground. I havent listened hardly to anything today. Hope I helped.
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Kittyab
Member
07-16-2005
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 7:01 pm
I wonder what her allergy is then? Amanda is right, refined sugars will not help her. Fruit or even juice is better then pop.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 7:14 pm
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hypoglycemia/DS00198 Snip* Hypoglycemia is commonly associated with diabetes. However, a wide variety of conditions, many of them rare, can cause low blood sugar in people without diabetes. Like fever, hypoglycemia isn't a disease itself — it's an indicator of a health problem. Signs and symptoms Your brain needs a steady supply of sugar (glucose), for it neither stores nor manufactures its own energy supply. If glucose levels become too low, as occurs with hypoglycemia, it can have these effects on your brain: Confusion, abnormal behavior or both, such as the inability to complete routine tasks Visual disturbances, such as double vision and blurred vision Seizures, though uncommon Loss of consciousness, though uncommon
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Faerygdds
Member
08-29-2000
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 8:47 pm
I had no idea anything had happened until I saw a commercial on TV and had to come catch up. I used to be hypoclycemic from childhood until my late 20's. After I had a car accident and was in chronic pain (read that as chronic stress)... and due to genetics, it turned into diabetes. My medication keeps me well stabilized, but can make me drop too low. Reactions are different, although my reactions to low blood sugar have been the same my whole life. About 30 minutes before I'm in real danger I start to get what I call the tunnel effect. Where (this will make no sense) things on the periphery of my world start to get fuzzy. About 15 minutes after that I start whining about I think I need to eat something. THe problem is that the fuzzy feeling isn't really profound enough if I am sitting still. If I am walking, I can feel it! But if I am stationary. I totally miss it. Then I start realizing that I need food... badly. The problem is that by that point the brain has ceased functioning. I know I need food. Protein and carbs in combination, but I can't think about WHAT I need to eat. It's like my brain just shuts down. About 5-10 minutes after that I start to feel cold and shaky. At this point I am at the point fo no return. It's at this point that if you don't get 4 oz of OJ down me... I'm going down. And amazingly enough... if I'm having a sugar attack... all I want to do is go and lie down... which is the one thing I shouldn't do! My DH and I watched the video... she didn't fake it and he and I were going, "uh oh" the whole 5 minutes leading up to her passing out. We've seen it before. Thank goodness I have a husband who feeds me when I forget to eat! Oh and btw... when your sugar crashes and you really NEED food... two things happen... you aren't really hungry although you sense that you need to eat... and you get nauseous, so nothing sounds palatable. So it doesn't surprise me that she refused everything offered to her except fruit. It was the one thing her brain was focusing on at the time and therefore the only thing that made sense to her. Just my 2 cents...
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 9:01 pm
Watching the feeds last night the group was talking about something coming up and Amanda commented "I'll still be on slop so I probably won't eat that day" Did she not learn anything at all? It is kind of hard to feel sorry for her when she won't take care of herself. (watching the other view of her collapse it is clear she was having a seizure without question- or she should be at the Kodak theater picking up her Oscar right now) But I do hold my doubts about how she got to that point.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 9:06 pm
Thank you for a very informative post, Faerygdds. I now have a better understanding of how it must affect a person's ability to make decisions. I have some experience in this area but I guess that needed to be reinforced. If you don't mind my asking, what is your blood sugar reading under those circumstances?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 9:48 pm
Since this happened I keep reading concern as to the seriousness of the Syncope. I think it is quite important to understand the situation as 'not really a big deal' which is Why Amanda is not overly emotional or Concerned about the event. I dont think Amanda should be criticized for going back on Slop. I only wish the whole situation didnt occur to start with.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 10:03 pm
blood glucose level is maintained between about 4 and 8 mmol/L (70 to 150 mg/dL). my 3.3 result looks to be around 59. just an example of how individuals react to low sugar
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 10:25 pm
Very interesting post, Faerygdds. I have never been diagnosed as hypoglycemic, but I do have to eat regularly, or I get all out of it. I know exactly what you mean when you refuse food even though you know you have to have it. Bigdog and I call it "too hungry to eat." And like you, I am lucky enough to have a husband who knows what is going on and makes sure I get food, especially when I am "too hungry to eat."
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Landileigh
Member
07-29-2002
| Monday, February 25, 2008 - 1:33 am
having T1 diabetes, i get like Julia Roberts in Steel Magnolias if my sugar gets too low. i can usually get some juice or some fast acting glucose the minute the shakes start.
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