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Rgw825
Member
07-29-2005
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 6:34 am
I enjoyed it, But i'm a single guy with a dirty mind lol. But does it belong in the BB House? I guess that's another topic with how the game has changed over the years. I myself was wondering if they could actually go too far. Does Showtime have a limit of what's too far? Too Racy? maybe not. I wonder if their editing team will find a way to show any of this on reg tv. That will be interesting. I also wonder what gets better ratings, The regular show or BB after dark since it's on every night. Do they have a reason to push the smut on showtime vs the gameplay on CBS, are they trying to satify both audiences, are they alienating the old fans? etc. etc. etc.
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Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 6:54 am
Wow I was little shell shocked after watching some of the video. I vote for Season 1 & 2 back. I miss the old days of BB!!
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 7:05 am
I watched the night before last night's antics as you would a train wreck- it was horrifying but I could not stop watching! Mostly I felt totally uncomfortable and embarrassed for Chelsia and Natalie. The double standard, as others have noted, is still going strong. Like so many foolish young women, they have bought into the "girls gone wild" hype that they are being fun and free-spirited. Sadly, they are just being used by CBS for profit (as with girls gone wild) and will likely live to regret it. Or at least Chelsia will. Natalie is another case entirely. She was so excited by the night's events- the attention, the random making out etc- that I really think she is an exhibitionist. But then what would you expect from someone who works in a bikini all day, lol? This cast was definitely picked for their willingness to expose themselves sexually on camera. So why for the last couple of nights when we have some real potential romance in the HOH, are we being blocked from seeing it? We can watch Chelsia writhe around almost naked licking whipped cream off Nat's breasts, but not see her kissing James? I'm beginning to think that there's something to the speculation on Joker's that Chelsia's family may have objected to her being paired with a porn actor and there are lawyers involved. When else in BB history have we not been shown couples making out in the HOH, and all the more so during the crucial hours for BBAD?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 7:40 am
Jimmer, it's not the sex stuff. If someone came to me to apply for a job and I found out about BB, I'd really question why there were applying for a job with me. Since it's obvious they all wanna be famous, and I'm not gonna make 'em famous. So yeah, I'd probably consider that and unless they were EXTREMELY well qualified, give a pass. As far as a relationship, I dunno. I pretty much hate to say never, but... Again, I have almost no respect for anyone who would go into a house to either try to earn a quick buck (or half million) or try to get famous. So I wouldn't trust anyone. Of course, if it's 15 years AFTER their BB stint, I may think differently. But within 5 years of BB? I'd probably run fast and far the other way, hollering something about saving the sharks! BTW, I am by no means a prude. However, what I've done has been in the privacy of my own or my partner's home, has not been aired for the entire world to view, and was not done for "good tv." World o' difference, ya think?
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Steeltoe
Member
05-19-2007
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 9:51 am
Some of the people on this season of Big Brother would get along great with <25> on Bad Girls Club. You know the one that did all that nasty stuff with the food. I bet James and his crew would think it was okay and join in such behavior.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 10:22 am
My point is that people do change (sometimes) and act differently when they are thirty than when they are twenty. For example, quite a few people did some pretty wild stuff in the 60's. The difference is that no one was hanging around with a video camera in a cell phone and posting stuff on the Internet for all to see. But you can bet they would have done it if they could. I guess we could argue that people should be different today and be more careful about what they do because of the Internet and technology, though that is a bit ironic. With respect to the houseguests' antics being described as soft porn, I'm not even sure that what they did even qualifies as soft porn. I've seen similar stuff in mainstream American movies.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 10:25 am
I've seen similar stuff in mainstream American movies. Wow I guess I don't get out enough... I thought you had to go behind the red curtain to get those movies...
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 10:46 am
I went to the bbcouch site! and all I can say is do these people really think the lap dance etc isn't going to be shown on the feeds? The will be the most embarrassed group when they come out
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 10:49 am
The difference is that in mainstream American movies we all know that the actors are playing a role that was written for them. Although some think this is the case with bb, I do not think they were told to strip and do gyrating lap dances on each other. This was a decision that they made for themselves. No one can make you do things like that, you chose. This program is classified as Reality TV and regardless of the scripting most of what is done is choice not contract.
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Smokey
Member
07-08-2003
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 11:04 am
Bonbonlover Member 07-13-2000 Monday, February 25, 2008 - 4:20 pm The particular antics don't bother me... that kind of stuff has gone on for years... But I guess I regret the loss of what I know as the Big Brother experiment... Putting a number of random, diverse people together and see how they interact, clash, connect and co-exist... To me this season was targeted and cast as the R rated Big Brother with hopes of lots of sex... Where is Cowboy, Monica, Curtis, Danielle ... now those were characters!! Ditto. That's exactly how I feel. Even last year, it was more enjoyable because they were playing the game. That's why I watch, to see game playing, not lap dances. I wouldn't even mind a lap dance here or there if there was more substance, but there isn't. It seems that's all there is to these people and I for one, find it really sad. I canceled my Real Player. That's a first--I've been die-hard since season 1.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 11:29 am
Jimmer, let's play a game here. Assume that I am attending a conference with a coworker, and that we are a vendor at that conference. Assume it's a fairly well attended security conference. My coworker was on BB about five years ago, but I didn't know it. At some point during a presentation, someone says loudly, "Hey, weren't you that girl on BB? The one who gave all the guys lapdances?" (I'm being polite here!) What then? Have we lost our credibility? The focus now shifted from our presentation to what this person did in the past. Yes, people change. I know I have. But the things that *I* did in the '70's and '80's are not recorded for all posterity. Whether those x-rated vids get bumped off of YouTube, they are still posted around on other sites. There are also all sorts of other sites discussing the behavior, with or without pix. The ONLY thing that *I* did back in the '70's that was recorded was a TV interview while I was campaigning for nudity-optional at Black's Beach (and the cameraman diligently kept the camera pointing above my shoulders), and a photo in the newspaper (ditto). There are likely some photos around of me from back then, but if they've survived 30 something years in someone's personal stash, I'd be surprised. So when you google someone, and within the first two pages are 10 hits of sex antics, what do you do then? These people are not clueless. They know darned well that they are being recorded, they know that they are "starring" in BBAD, yet they persist in "putting on a show." Sorry, but at some point, ya just gots ta pay the piper.
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Napa1526
Member
07-14-2007
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 12:11 pm
Very well put, Costacat. I agree completely. I can only imagine how humiliated their families are, even though the HG's themselves seem to be clueless. I'm sure most people have done things they are not proud of, however, it wasn't done on national tv for all to see. I don't even know these people, but I'm embarrassed for them.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 12:59 pm
I don't even know these people, but I'm embarrassed for them. ITA Napa!!! Costa, I loved your post and ITA 100% too. 
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 1:17 pm
Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that what they did was a good idea. I was just trying to assess what the ramifications would be for them later in their lives and if the ramifications would be as serious as some people are suggesting. Well, let's just say that a career in politics or as a future President of the United States is probably out the window for them. With the rest …. well let's see. Will James' actions on BB have a negative affect if he wants to further pursue his career as a gay porn star? How about Sheila's career? Um …. Nope. Let's see who else we can think of. Is there anyone on this show with anything left to lose (other than his or her personal dignity but I'd say that may not be an issue with these people either)?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 1:35 pm
For the men: . Adam has already been fired, but nothing to do with this. . Alex is in the entertainment industry so I don't think he will have a problem. . Matt is a roofing foreman - no problem there. . James - well, no problem there either. And none of the men are likely to have problems personally (other than Adam) because of the whole male/female standards inequality. For the women I think it's different: . Sharon hasn't done much "wrong" really but if she's as religious as I thought they suggested she was at the beginning she could be frowned upon. I think it won't take too long for that to be fogotten about though. . Chelsia - not sure what she intends to be. Isn't she meant to be studying in Germany next year? By the time she comes back no one will really remember her or care. . Natalie - I think if she's happy continuing doing what she's been doing before the show, then she's not going to have much trouble. On a personal level she might attract more men who would use and abuse her, but sadly, I suspect she already attracts that sort of man. She might get some modelling gigs locally and make a little money.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 2:48 pm
Still being devil's advocate... What they are doing NOW is likely going to have an impact on their futures. At some point, James is not going to look on camera and his career as a "star" in movies could be fairly short lived. Alex's participation in anything like this will erode his credibility as an actor or entertainer (remember, "real" folks definitely look down upon reality show "stars"). Adam will have a hard time finding a PR job after the brouhaha over his crude comments. The consequences are their actions are far-reaching and yet to be determined. However, if any of 'em want to be more than a roofer or a "bikini barrista" it might behoove them to put a lid on some of their antics while they are being filmed in the house. I'm just sayin'. BTW, nekkid pix of me 30 years ago will certainly not affect my career now. A full frontal of a young woman campaigning for a swimsuit optional beach is a far cry from strip teases and lap dances, yes? (And I expect the pix to be so grainy that you couldn't tell it was me anyways! Hehehe!)
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 6:05 pm
I was wondering earlier today how Julie Chen feels about being associated with this show, seeing as she's a "serious journalist" and all?
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 6:18 pm
I predicted this orgy-like BB house last season when we were asking ourselves how much worse it could get, now it's only a matter of outdoing the previous season, and the stripper was found to do just that... But hey, there seems to be a lot of people who actually woke up and got curious to see all the clips out there... maybe the producers got what they wanted. Babyjaxmom, I was asking myself the same thing... I'm trying to put myself in Julie's place and I would be a bit uncomfortable addressing this group of people knowing about their slutty conduct so far..
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 6:41 pm
If Julie Chen is a "serious journalist" then I'm Angelina Jolie! 
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Hiyall
Member
07-06-2005
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 6:59 pm
I worry about them having to deal with their families after all this. As a mom I would be horrified to see my child behaving in the ways that they are. This isn't just innocent flirtatious behavior, this is verging on vulgar. Like alot of others have said, I have done some pretty wild things in my past, but none of it was caught on tape (THANK GOODNESS), and these people are well aware that America is watching them and still throwing caution to the wind...I just hope they can deal with whatever happens when they get out.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 7:33 pm
Don't make me do a Branjolina joke, Costa..lol
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 8:13 pm
NOOOO! Not a Branjolina joke!! ACK!! <runs from thread!> <grin>
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 8:24 pm
You got some mighty purty lips, Costa. Nice and pillowy. I started to post in here earlier then didn't because basically I don't care. If Chelsia really gave a shit about her father she wouldn't have done what she did, and Natalie simply has no moral barometer. She seems to be perfectly ok with what she does, and that's perfectly ok with me as long as she's not my daughter. The men are all stereotypical frat-type boys. Except old enough to know better, so its not quite so forgivable. I'm glad I'm not related to any of these people. Or dating them.
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Amykat
Member
07-24-2005
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 8:40 pm
There is no way I would want my daughter to be on BB. She would never do it anyway, as she thinks it's pretty stupid. I'm pretty sure I am a prude. I don't like any of the stuff these people are doing alone or with each other-it is definitely not why I watch BB. I think some of them will really regret it when they get out. I have watched very little of the feeds and I don't watch BBAD at all, even though we have SHO2. I think there are others that did things in past BBs that they regretted as well. Didn't Maggie end up being fired after going back to work for a while or was that just a rumor-something about her being recognized a lot? I do however read the boards and get info off for my mom and she loves most of it. I loved it when all that was going on and she came in here and sat down and said, "Amy, do you know what they are doing?" And then she whispers, "they are naked"! It was so funny! I, like others, cannot find anyone for whom to root. I am sad and disgusted. ITA with others that have said bring on the strangers and the game-playing! Jimmer, in this day and age, if I had just met someone, the first thing I would do is google their name! I have been divorced for a long time and haven't dated in almost as long. I fully intend to use the internet as a way to "screen" potential suitors...should there ever be any! ROFL! I go back to how some of the houseguests' families must feel. I posted this in the live feed discussion thread after the night's antics. It may have already been posted somewhere but I hadn't seen it. I'm really feeling sorry for Chelsia's family... http://tinyurl.com/38duls
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Lancecrossfire
Animoderator
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 11:40 pm
For me it's looking at what they do in context of the game. For example I never understood attacking family members that aren't in the game. It can't have a positive affect, yet it happens just about every time. I has BBAD on and heard a number of comments that indicated this whole thing was done for the showtime show. It started at 9:00 and painfully was going on till 12:00; then they basically broke up all up on their own. So I was thinking to myself, what the heck did it do for any of their games? I just couldn't think of anything. So I look at the whole thing being a set up, since they pretty much admitted it. It's as if AG has BB the game as a lower priority than her twists and having young people on willing to get naked and make out with each other. What happened to the concept of making the twists and the cast enhance BB the game? It's almost as if AG is using the BB hour time slot to showcase her idea of a good group of people top just watch for the sake of watching. I haven't seen a lot of substance as people from them--somethimg they show to get us hooked to them, to root for them, to relate to them as people and game players. I think it's possible to have sexual activity within a good game. That wasn't what happened the other night though. If you look at when BB was considered good by most, there were players that were heavily rooted for as much as against. Roddy comes to mind. Chicken George was another. Howie had strong rooters and strong detracters. He showed charisma, he showed the kid inside of him. These folks had dimension and also played the game. It feels as if this group has little respect for the game. Soft porn alone doesn't make for intriguing players.
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