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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 10:00 am
I am surprised that she didn't make her condition known to BB producers before entering the house, and I am surprised that she never expressed her concern before starting slop, she knew that slop is one bad thing in BB and she should have expressed some concern in the beginning of the season anyway. The fact that she seemed quite normal before her collapse is suspicious, one who is on the verge of such breakdown should give many signs hours before. She started saying she needed sugar but didn't show signs of body weakness and voila' she drops and after that she knows exactly what follows and performs it to perfection. Now they're all off slop... I think BB wants to make sure none of them have sugar problems because of their slop rule... why didn't Amanda reveal her condition... mmmm... As for Alison, it's a bit more difficult to fake a swollen tongue...
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:34 am
OMG... TWO medical emergencies at the same time?!?!?! Wow. I agree, that they should have BOTH slop and PBJ, not just one or the other.
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Scribe
Member
08-16-2000
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:36 am
well i didnt see Ryan do anything to help either of them - it was James who helped turn her over and no one held her up as she gasped for air and convulsed - they did an mri on her at the hospital I suppose to assure she had not hurt herself when she fell on her face -
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:38 am
The HGs are given thorough medical exams before entering the house. BB has never cared much about the health issues of the HGs, unfortunately. Anyone remember the long-standing ear infections apparently caused by slop? And how long it took for BB to give them medical attention? I think slop is the problem here. I hope they get rid of it once and for all.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:40 am
No, you don't get signs hours before. It can come on very suddenly. I've had to pull over on the road to cram food into my gob. What happened to Amanda is exactly how it can happen.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:46 am
LOL. If I remember correctly, the ear infections were due to a comp where slop got in their ears - not because they were eating it. LOL Slop is sorta silly - but BB and other reality TV shows learned long ago that they need to add additional stress to the situation or it gets boring. Survivor starves them, BB feeds them slop.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:49 am
Yes, Gina...because it got IN their ears. But the point is, BB didn't really jump on it to get any of them some medical attention for their ears, which were apparently quite painful.
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:54 am
Being off the slop is because of the possibility that Allison's reaction was to something in the slop not because of Amanda's problem. Amanda knew what was coming, she was even told to get some sugar into her she said no... With Amanda my problem is both she and the show knew she had this condition either she should not be there or there should have been arraignments made to monitor her. Plus she said she would do this after cross country meets. Amanda dropping to the floor was scary because it was seen by the others but the reality is Allison was in much more danger and had no control to have stopped what happened to her since she didn't know she was allergic to whatever it was. Allison was on the brink of death- not an exaggeration by any means. Amanda just needed glucose and rest. Seeing both girls it was clear they went through an ordeal. What I didn't notice until watching BBAD were the black circles under Allison's eyes, classic "allergy eyes" As for anyone using this as a reason to evict Amanda- just the opposite Josh said they can't evict her now she almost died, lol
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:57 am
There are a zillion ways to raise the stress level that are much more fun than slop. For instance, turn off various appliances every once in a while so they never know if they'll work. Same with hot water. Play muzak for an hour a day, etc.
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 12:00 pm
Amanda was aware of the situation because she brought it up the day before. I'm sure it came on her very fast but she was aware this happening was a real possibility because she talked about. The MRI was more likely done because of the convulsions-to rule out an organic reason for the episode.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 12:05 pm
I agree, BB is lackadaisical when it comes to HG safety. It's only after something bad happens that they try to correct the situation. They are also very slow to respond to anything that wouldn't be apparent to the casual viewer. Ear aches arn't worth their bother. Men holding knives to drunk women's throats? - that's worth a little bother - after the fact. CBS doesn't really care if a few fan sites are worrying over ear aches or fainting spells - they know that the HGs signed waivers and CBS has no liability. They did get concerned with the negative press the knife incident brought. (Although, the HGs this season have that incident to thank for the quick response due to the panic button.)
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 12:09 pm
I think the MRI was done to rule out any serious head injury. She said her head hurt a lot when she got back last night. They were probably concerned the fall might have hurt her. BTW - I don't think that was a seizure. She didn't convulse at all - she just seemed to be gasping for breath. Although, I'm sure the doctors had to consider the possibility since they didn't witness the event.
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 12:28 pm
Gina from the odd angle watching it I didn't think it was a seizure either but listening to James describe what was happening while he held her i believe it was. The MRI would have been done for both but it is standard after a seizure of unknown origin. (meaning if she is not a known epileptic.) And earache is hell but it is also not a life threatening situation. BB responded correctly last night and in a timely matter.. While people first thought they took to long to get in to Amanda we now know they were dealing with Allison's life threating condition at the same time (even had they both been in a hospital setting at the time Allison would have been treated first) and a nurse was on the scene in seconds. Neither girl would have gotten attention that quickly on the outside.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 1:43 pm
Amanda was out cold for 37 seconds - then she was gasping for about that long. Yes, when you watch it it seems to take forever - but really, 37 seconds?!? I really don't expect paramedics or on on-set nurse to really be able to get to anyone in 37 seconds. I think the emergency response after the faint was reasonable. However, I think BB ignoring her when she said she needed bread or fruit wasn't - even with Alison currently receiving care. I also think BB doesn't do adequate health screenings before letting HGs in the house.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 1:48 pm
I have no doubt that Allison's condition was life threatening and out of her control. I’m not sure that Amanda's condition was life threatening or out of her control. Slop has plenty of carbs and should have done the trick. Did she not actually eat or did she just drink protein shakes? It looked to me like she was trying to force BB to take her off slop. The hyperventilating just seemed a little over the top. I’m just wondering what other think about the situation.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 2:09 pm
I think in the outside world her hypoglycaemia had been a minor problem, she knew the signs and treated it before it got too bad. I doubt she'd had many episodes like this - maybe just when she was first diagnosed, and she'd have been younger then and looked after by her parents. In the house she'd probably not eaten much slop, because she didn't like it, and she'd also got the idea that slop wasn't good enough for sugar control (although we know it would have been absolutely fine if she'd eaten enough of it regularly). Because of that, she'd got herself worked up, wouldn't take sugar that would have helped her short term problem (because in her regular life her hypos didn't usually get to the point where she needed simple sugars not complex carbs) and that just exacerbated everything and led to a real problem. All supposition on my part, but that's what it seemed like to me.
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 2:26 pm
Amanda was "excited" about the slop and from what I saw she was eating it with no problem. She says this use to happen all the time after cross country meets. Allison was close to death Amanda was not. And while I argue this point on another board I'm glad their are people who get it over here. Since all i saw was her saying they wouldn't let her in the DR to ask about the fruit and bread I really can't say if BB should have acted on that faster or not.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 2:53 pm
I think the DR was full of Allison with a nurse working to get her airway open and of course at that point Amanda was just asking to get in. After she fell, the door was opened fairly quickly, though I'm sure not quickly enough for James and Alex and others. They couldn't know who was "worse" at that point and had to treat them both.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 3:12 pm
Well the HGs are saying that each one of them has "someone assigned to them" so everyone is always watched by someone. Wouldn't you think that if Amanda was saying she NEEDED something to eat that they should have known that she wasn't simply knocking on the Diary Room door to chat???
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 3:58 pm
glad to see people are finally agreeing with me. She started saying she needed sugar but didn't show signs of body weakness Glad to have posted the proof in the Youtube thread. I was watching during the preceding hour in which Amanda was under immense stress due to being caught lying, once again, and gossipmongering. This fact alone can cause sugar level drops in normal people giving them Hypoglycemic symptoms. I agree with Puzzled post that a dizzy feeling like you are going to pass out can come on quite quickly.....but like Puzzled's post, you KNOW it is coming on and can eat to prevent it. Amanda refused. she did nothing to try to stop the event. a game decision? You know it isnt lifethreatening so I can truly see a hardcore player going for it. ((NOT saying she did, just that it is a vague possibility)) I timed her. She spent over two mins wandering around whining about needing to eat. However, you will notice in the youtube that Alex kinda dismisses her and Nat is trying to be polite but Amanda just got caught setting her up, so SHE is also not giving Amanda the attention she is craving. indeed, Instead of eating Amanda states she wants to go lay down. I'll suggest right now that Amanda's blood sugar was not low enough to cause such a theatric collapse. She stated that she was up to 150 in the hosp. Well I would sugget that shows that her base level must have been low normal before the Bolus and IV. Any of us will pass out if we hyperventilate due to stress for a longish period of time. We will also gasp and choke if someone turns us onto our BACK! so that the airway closes off
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 4:16 pm
going off slop makes no sense - unless they are testing it for contamination. It seems highly suspicious that THREE HGs are sick all at the same time. SLOP ingredients Natural oats, proprietary blend of whey protein concentrate, soy protein isolate, wheat protein isolate, milk protein isolate, natural and artificial flavors, vitamins and minerals (vitamin A palmitate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, cyanocobalamin, vitamin D3, alpha tocopherol, niacin, biotin, pantothenic acid, calcium carbonate, magnesium oxide, zinc oxide, copper gluconate, manganese sulfate, ferrous sulfate, folic acid, potassium iodide), cellulose gum, salt and acesulfame potassium. There is nothing in slop which IF a person is allergic WOULDNT crossreact with almost any other food found in that kitchen. Milk, oats, flour. mind you, some allergic reactions can be caused by stress believe it or not. Once that cascade of reaction starts, it just goes!
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 4:21 pm
Any of us will pass out if we hyperventilate Sunsh...Amanda was not hyperventilating before she passed out. That happened when she came-to.
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Dovez
Member
08-27-2005
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 4:24 pm
well, i for one am hypoglycemic and have had episodes where the onset of extreme symptoms came on so suddenly that i barely pulled off a freeway before i passed out. and in re "the whining" : when the situation esculates, one is often unable to think clearly or articulate what is needed. the fact that she was wandering around does not, to me, mean that she only wanted attention. she actually needed that attention to get someone to help her get the neccesary nutrients to get her out of her physical dilemna. i want to give her the benefit of the doubt in this. ironically i've also had an allergic reation like allisons so deeply sympathize with her, too.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 4:24 pm
What bothers me is Amanda had been asking for permission to have fruit or bread for awhile. It wasn't just that last time when they were dealing with Allison. Also to clarify what someone said above, Amanda didn't just blindly turn down sugar. She said something like, "it wouldn't be enough." Seems she knew what she needed but they wouldn't let her have it. I suppose we could question if sugar water would have been better than nothing, but that said, I can't see any way BB isn't 100% in the wrong when you have a hypoglycemic person saying they don't feel well and MUST have fruit or bread and they are ignoring her repeatedly. VERY SCARY imho. I am certain they had to know about the hypoglycemia before hand. I'd be very curious to know what their dietician said about that and slop. Sure sounds like they didn't take it seriously or have a good plan. BUT I did hear Amanda saying how the nurse was trying to get her to swallow some sugar gel, so sounds like they did have something on hand if she needed it, showing they knew it might come up! As for slop in general, I feel it's on of the things AG feels is great that none of the viewers see the same way. They are always so hot on it. I really don't think they get how disinterested the viewers are by it. I think it would be MUCH more interesting to see them play for how much they can spend then fight over it sort of like BB1. While I've seen folks pissy from slop, I can't say I've ever seen it truly alter the game (if you don't count last nite lol). And my idea of fun isn't watching folks complaining for days about how slop sucks!
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Christiii
Member
07-07-2005
| Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 4:42 pm
they keep talking about how much this medical stuff is going to cost them, Nat has bad insurance and James has none if something were to happen to him. Uhhh, dontcha think that BB would cover the bill?? it happened on their property during "work" time
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