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Watching2
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07-07-2001
| Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 2:55 am
She also stated she couldn't be tested until the end of the week due to all the medications in her system.
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Hiyall
Member
07-06-2005
| Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 8:25 pm
I have had hives 4 times in the last year, and we've yet to determine what is causing them, but when I do get them I almost always am given injections of steroids...prednisone or visteral, and then benadryl and zantac (or pepcid). For some reason mine usually take days to go away. I have an epi pen to carry with me, and I have gotten the hives on my tongue but so far never had my throat swell.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 11:28 pm
From My experience, after a mega dose of steroids in the ER, a patient is given a steroid dose pack that slowly weans your body of the steroid and aides the remission of the allergic reaction. Thus tapering the dose. I have seen differing reactions from myself and my son. Steroids can cause a false sense of well being (which can cause the patient to not want to finish the taper dose) and can also cause aggression. An anaphylactic reaction, such as described by the voice overs from the DR are not 'flare ups.' They are life threatening situations. Back to the New England Journal of Medicine, the likely hood of someone surviving anaphylaxis is related to how quickly an Epi-pen is administered. The source is still in the 90's, Dr. Wood I believe. Editing and show timing are always a concern with BB, but the nurse told the EMT's that Amanda went down when she was giving Allison the Epi. Hopefully other medical personal were with Allison when her throat was closing and she was near death. We get caught up in what we can see. What was happening behind the scenes that night may have been more urgent. That we have not seen it is just a matter of discretion to not show an HG as physically compromised as Allison was described by Alex. I wish we had seen it. Perhaps more people would be aware of how debilitating and life threatening anaphylaxis is. Also it is obvious that Allison knows what anaphylaxis is or she would not have been able to so clearly state her symptoms and needs. Alison knows what the cause of this reaction was. She is just not telling the other HG's or us.
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Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006
| Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 11:52 pm
Mummy...Allison said today that she is taking two Prednisone twice a day. I thought it was odd when she said it because any time I've ever taken it it was in descending amounts over a course of time. It's added to my confusion about the situation. Also, if she's still taking it today, Thursday, how can they do testing tomorrow?
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Mummy35332
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09-09-2005
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 12:31 am
Exactly Bee. I was also tested to soon after an anaphylactic reaction. The meds in her system, plus what the body does after a reaction makes allergy testing on Friday mute. They won't find anything of consequence. The histamine release and the meds will mask everything. Depending on the knowledge of the Dr, some give a taper of Prednisone for several days and some give a small dose for a longer period with an abrupt end.. MY experience is that the larger to smaller (taper) dose is more effectual. As you know with a taper dose it usually takes 7 to 10 days to wean off the steroid. Then add a month with no other anaphylactic reactions or meds to get an accurate read for allergy testing. So, I am back to Allison knows what caused it because of her statements and request for an Epi-pen immediately in the DR. As a side note, I do not think people with severe allergies should be excluded from the BB house. Curtis from season 1 had an allergic reaction to fish. It was not a life threatening anaphylactic reaction, but I sure did watch him for hours and days after he had an itchy tongue and throat. I wanted him treated so he could get over the reaction faster.
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Mummy35332
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09-09-2005
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 1:03 am
Accurate allergy testing is a bit of a misnomer. Allergy testing is not 100% accurate (surprise, most medical tests aren't). A good allergist knows that regardless of the test, if you react to something, its an allergy. If the test says you react, and you don't, then don't stay way from it. (Advise from my allergist) A good allergist is more concerned with clinical reactions than bumps from testing. OTOH, if you have had anaphylaxis in the past and your skin prick test is now negative, then it is time for more testing. I clearly remember the day when I had my son food challenged for peanuts. Conventional wisdom says you don't outgrow this allergy, but back the New England Journal of Medicine, some do 'outgrow' even a peanut allergy.
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 2:27 am
My reaction to nuts is pretty fast but the normal time frame for that type of reaction is 30 to 45 minutes. I carry an epi-pen and anyone that knows me and everyone in my family would know what throat swelling means and to ask for an epi-pen. The fact that her throat was closing and her lips and tongue were swelling is unmistakable and classic signs of a serious allergic reaction. Just had to add Watching, how lucky you were with your son. But his reaction to the peanut butter later is like how i was as a child, i just knew it was bad somehow and would never go near it. with me i can tell immediately that something has trace amounts of peanuts-my throat begins to itch. asthma and allergies go hand in hand.. Dr's tell me if you had allergies as a child your chances of developing asthma are extremely high. My first asthma attack happened a week after my allergy shots were stopped abruptly. I always tell new parents to avoid, milk,eggs,nuts and shellfish the first year..... allergies are more common if those things are introduced early.
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Costacat
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07-15-2000
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 6:59 am
Mummy, I'm not sure of the exact timeline but it appeared that Allison went in to the DR asking for an epi, the nurse gave her an epi and asked her if she was feeling better. AFTER that was when Amanda went down. So the nurse already knew that Allison was reacting well to the epi, they'd likely already called for EMTs, and so I'm sure she felt it was OK to go check out Amanda. I think you can follow the timeline fairly easily as we didn't see what was going on in the DR, but could hear their voices.
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Hiyall
Member
07-06-2005
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 8:52 pm
I have been given the two a day dose of the steroids and it's never worked as well as the large amount on the first day followed by 5 days of smaller doses.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 12:45 am
Apparently Allison has had her testing done and she is allergic to slop.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 7:05 am
Does that mean no more slop in the house? It would be unfair to the rest of the hamsters for her to be excluded from slop while they were forced to eat it.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 7:16 am
Allergic to slop? Somehow that is ironically hilarious! BB fed them peanut butter for years - a food that is notorious for causing severe allergic reactions. Now they switch to an oatmeal concoction and they nearly kill someone?!?! LOL. Maybe it is time for BB to figure out a different way to torture them than food.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 8:55 am
It seems odd that she wold be tested and they would say she is allergic to slop... woldn't they test her for the ingredients and say she was allergic to aots, or to XYZ... but SLOP???
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 9:01 am
Some of the other folks who've been tested would know better than me - but I think they actually test real stuff - so, if they knew she was eating slop - they would actually test it, rather than a subset of its ingredients. In the end, the information most useful to her will be to know what to avoid. If any part of slop makes her sick, the quickest, easiest, and most accurate way to figure that out is to test actual SLOP. Down the road, she might want to get more specific about it - flaxseed or what not. But knowing if she can eat slop or not - is kinda extremely important at the moment.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 9:10 am
hummm... maybe. But when DH and DD got tested they were tested for the ingredients... unless the offending ingredient is particular to slop, the reaction could easily happen again... If as someone surmises there may be flaxseed in the slop which could have caused a reaction. then BB could easily mistake and give her some chips or crackers with flaxseed. Flax has become hugely popular and it is in many things now...from crackers, chips, bread, cereal...
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Trlynchntd
Member
08-25-2007
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 9:48 am
Regarding Allison faking her allergy reaction....she definately knows about allergies. I found this in her bio.... "She currently works in pharmaceutical sales where she works with specialists in the pulmonology/allergy sector" very interesting!
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:12 am
If Allison had faked her allergic reaction I think BB would have jumped on that and even started asking others in the house if they thought it was real. The nurse would have know whether she was faking or not. Amanda's condition would have been much easier to fake by the way. When doing allergy testing they usually test a wide range of possible allergens. She was probably positive for more than one ingredient in slop.
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Sidecar
Member
07-23-2007
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:19 am
What if she already KNEW she was allergic and brought on the reaction? SHe had a small amount of slop, then when running, to bring on the reaction, she then proceeded directly to the DR and asked for the Epi-pen. She seemed pretty calm through the whole thing....
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:23 am
I did think it was odd that she asked for the epi-pen,seemed like she knew that would do the trick. She could just know her stuff when it comes to meds though.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:30 am
I just saw on you-tube that they only did a skin test for mayo,mustard and slop. Why no peanut test? Did they know for sure it was the slop? She was not even on slop at the time.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:32 am
Every student, teacher, administrator, staff, and parent knows about epi-pens and their usage at my childs school... so many children have life-threatening allergies, we have epi-pent in every classroom and many other strategic locations... Every door is labeled with a big sign which says EPI PEN INSIDE. Every girl scout outing and field trip is accompanied by an epi pen. It doesn't surprise me that she knew exactly what to ask for!!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:49 am
Wait a second? When did they go on slop? It wasn't the same day that Allison had her reaction, was it? Didn't she (and all the others) taste the slop the day it was brought into the house? (Sorry, I'm just suspicious of a "sudden" allergic reaction to something that had been in the house for a couple of days.) As far as the epi-pen, it wasn't just that... she quickly went directly to the diary room, asked for an epi, and then described her symptoms. Other than her background in pharma, I don't think there's any way she would've known that her throat closing up was an allergic reaction unless she'd had that reaction before. I'm sure I wouldn't have been as calm if it had been the first time it had happened to me, and I do know about allergies (I'm also older than Allison). ETA: Just checked the threads, and the first food comp was during the day on Thursday the 21st. Allison had her allergic reaction early evening (not yet dusk) on Friday the 22nd. Over twenty-four hours later.
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Sidecar
Member
07-23-2007
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 11:11 am
Im with you Costa. We may never know for sure, but it just seemed a bit too choreographed to garner sympathy. She is very manipulative, and as the days go by, I am even more suspicious of everything she does.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 1:01 pm
I think it's pretty obvious that Allison wasn't faking her condition based on Alex's statement that her face and lips were all swollen. I have a friend who has had an allergic reaction like she described, and I think that in a similar situation to Allison's, where it came on suddenly, I would also think that's what I was having. If she works in the allergy section of a pharmaceutical company, then of course she would be familiar with the symptoms and be able to describe her condition as a probable allergy. I don't think she would know that she was allergic to slop, and I don't think that she would put her life at risk for the game, especially because she was safe that week. She had no reason to try to garner sympathy.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 1:05 pm
She had no reason to try to garner sympathy. She had just had a huge blow-up with Sheila and knew the others were talking about her in a bad light. Not that I think she did anything purposefully, certainly not in the vein of threatening her own life... But she DID have a reason to try to get some sympathy. And she DID talk and talk about how much more critical she was than Amanda was.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 1:07 pm
And, interestingly, at this very moment Sheila is talking about Allison suggesting she's "dirty" because of the yeast infection. That is what started the blow-up.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 2:45 pm
Clearly a conspiracy as everyone has been proved here. Good thing the allergy testers and the BB nurse were in on it too - otherwise, how else could she have had a positive test result regarding slop?
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Steviegirl
Member
07-07-2005
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 3:39 pm
Was Allison actually even on slop at that time? Because she just tested Alex's slop that he made with Mayo and Mustard, so she wasn't making it for herself. That would explain the time that passed before the slop diet started. I don't see any conspiracys here. She tried someone's slop, she has an allergic reaction that obviously you can't fake (unless you can suddenly make your tongue 3x its size by yourself.) They tested the 3 things in the slop (slop, mayo, mustard) the slop caused the reaction, and she said they may or may not break down the ingredients to do further testing.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 6:33 pm
I never said anything about a conspiracy. I questioned the slop "diagnosis" because Allison WASN'T on slop. (I'm also questioning it cause it's a heckuva great way to get out of being on slop, ever.) And I questioned the length of time until her reaction. I also never questioned her reaction, I questioned that she didn't know she had an allergy. Please reread my posts.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 8:24 pm
I still think it very strange they wouldn't have included peanuts in her allergy testing.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 8:25 pm
That's true, Wilson. After all, she did also eat a peanut in that timeframe.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 12:47 am
Do any of you actually think the FDA has an approved allergy test for Slop? My son is allergic to milk. Some bread has milk, some don't. You can't test him for a bread allergy. To be tested for slop the allergist had to come up with a homebrew testing agent. This type of allergy testing has been used on natural latex allergic patients. They react to the gloves they were subjected to, but not the gloves the Allergist made the homebrew from. The testing has to be ingredient specific. OTOH CBS has to cover their behinds, so we may have seen the last of slop. Regarding everyone knowing about anaphylactic allergic reactions through schools. I am happy that you know, but that is not what I have experienced. We are the pioneers here that teach the younger children and adults. Not everyone has learned. By the way, my son was refused admittance to the Boy Scouts because of his allergy 10 years ago. But times are changing and that fate is not now the norm.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 1:06 am
Sorry, I forgot the peanuts........Any adult can suddenly develop an anaphylactic reaction to any food. Been, there, done that. What is more likely with an adult is a fish or shell fish allergy, not peanuts (legumes, not nuts). Remember the words 'more likely'.
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