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Saguaro
Member
06-21-2005
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 7:07 pm
In each case it seems the woman on the team has been the main one that has brought them to eviction. Jen brought down Parker, Amanda took out Alex, and now it looks like Allison will be the demise of Ryan. The only exception seemed to be Jacob who was the reason that Sharon left.
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 7:42 pm
I noticed that trend too. I think without Jen, Parker would have gone down eventually too. But, I feel bad for Alex, and now for Ryan. Sharon seems to be the only woman in the house with her head screwed on straight!
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 7:52 pm
I think that Matt will actually be the downfall of Nat. He's playing too many sides and his coming on to the women is pretty clear to everyone. Josh is I think the weaker side of his partnership too. Alex deserved to go- although very cute, he was a pretty bad player. He had great info on Matt but he held back at the end and was not persuasive. Almost every year, the women are judged way more harshly both by us and their fellow houseguests. It seems to be easier to target women and they are often the first to go.
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 8:24 pm
It's cuz we are naturally more talkative. If the house was full of men BB wouldn't have enough footage to do one episode a week, much less three!
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 9:41 pm
Most of the women this season just can't keep their mouths shut. Maybe it's because they are trying to play hardcore to soon and just put targets on themselves. I've noticed that the guys are laying low and are still in buddy mode.
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Govols
Member
07-19-2005
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:17 pm
ditto Caprica. GOSSIP~gets them in trouble inside the house just like it is posion outside the house.
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 11:00 pm
Yes, and because they are secluded there's nothing else to talk about but each other.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 7:20 am
Because it seems these men really hate their women in there (except James and Josh) and the women feel it and react accordingly, unfortunately they're not very good at shifting the blame to the men.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 9:41 am
Every season we see these young women do this stuff. They act like a bunch of hens, gossiping and not knowing when to shut the hell up. No slam to men, but I always thought that women were smarter, but from season's past to present it seems I'm wrong. What really scares me is that the All Mighty chose them to bear and nuture children, so how do we ever expect to have a generation of higher level intelligence. I think the ignorant gene will always be factor. I guess what bothers me the most is their obvious need for attention. I can't stand NEEDY women.
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Kimsue
Member
07-08-2005
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 10:13 am
It isn't the "women" it is the type of women that participate in the show. BB wants pretty women for the camera factor. On top of that, just how many women do you know that have the time to take months out of their personal lives to participate. Plus they have to be a bit aggressive to be able to play the game. If you add this together, you get a lot of young, pretty, twenty somethings that work low paying jobs and are still sewing their wild oats. With very few exceptions, have women with families and real responsibilities not to mention careers, done well at this game. This type of women simply does not have the time to participate.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 11:59 am
Another thing to consider is that for the most part only women who are bikini-perfect are chosen. Not only that, but they must be OK with parading around almost nude and feel comfortable doing it. It selects out a certain type of young, self-absorbed female. In contrast, we have guys who are only average in looks- I mean honestly what males in that house right now are real knock-outs? Ryan and Josh are pudgy, James is freaky (but cute), Matt has this lazy eye thing going on and his personality is obnoxious. I won't even start on Adam! Alex was attractive, I'll concede, but he was a lousy player and not too smart. I actually think that Parker was one of the best looking but he had his own personality issues, don't put all the blame on Jen! With all her problems, I actually think that Nat is an asset to Matt, he just can't see this. Everyone likes her and she's fun and oddly sweet. He has contributed to her looking bad by going on and on about her pursuing him- a situation that he created by coming on so strong to her and exploiting her sexually. I'm sure if he was nice to her he could turn it around to a friendship partnership, but he wants to shake her off so he can make other conquests in the house. Allison is very problematic, I'll agree, but if Ryan had an ounce of game in him, he could have worked with her instead of riding her coattails and then complaining about her later. Both Ryan and Matt would rather complain about their partners than acknowledge their own bad game playing- they boost their male egos by blaming everything on "their" women.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 1:04 pm
I think, kmjm, that you have it a big part of it. The guys blame the females because it's easiest to do so. It protects their egos AND it allows the other HGs to have an easy scapegoat. M/A and A/A were going up on the block as soon as C/J won that HOH. Sure, Amanda was the excuse, but it was all about getting out the "upstairs" people, the strong males who were perceived as a threat. The "downstairs" people didn't want the others to know about this alliance, in case the "upstairs" people ended up back in power, so they used an easy excuse. Allison voting out A/A had NOTHING to do with Amanda and everything to do with Matt making an F2 deal with Allison. Alex refused to campaign. Later, Allison needed to cover her butt as to why she was turning on J/S and she used Amanda as an excuse. Alex was happy to let Amanda be his excuse, because he never has to admit how ridiculous his insistence on putting up a member of his own alliance, and then refusing to campaign to stay, was. Allison and Ryan getting voted out now is because Allison AND Ryan decided to flip the vote. Ryan knew it was a risk and decided to gamble. It didn't pay off and now he can blame Allison's behavior for his own bad game play. So, overall, it's not that the women are the downfall of their team. It's that the women have been blamed for the strategic blunders of their teams because the males all sit around and stroke each others' egos about what great guys they are.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 2:36 pm
You make some excellent arguments, Onlyhuman, ITA.
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Upstate
Member
02-11-2007
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 5:14 pm
Me too Onlyhumna.....They are still using Amanda for a scapegoat. It's amazingly funnly that when someone gets caught in a lie they blame good old Amanda.
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Monday, March 03, 2008 - 1:43 pm
I was noticing that too - when Matt was trying to shine Sharon on in the HOH room (Saturday night?), he said that Amanda had made up the bj story (uh, no - not only was it a true story, but Matt himself was the one to spread it around). They were blaming Amanda for spreading some other story, too. She's become an even more convenient scapegoat since she's no longer around to defend herself, I think. The ladies are a little louder in their troublemaking, but I think the men have brought on some of their own problems. I remember hearing that Parker and Jen actually got evicted over Ryan and Allison because the house didn't like Parker's negative attitude. So while Jen may have been the reason they were put up, Parker was the reason they actually got chosen over A/R to go.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Monday, March 03, 2008 - 2:24 pm
To answer the thread topic question: They aren't.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Monday, March 03, 2008 - 7:22 pm
It could be perceived that the women are the downfall, but I blame BB for forcing women to be with so called 'soulmates' and the men resenting them, thus playing on their emotions. Look at Sheila and Adam, Natalie and Matt...Sheila and Matt spend so much time hating their partners that they've lost site of the game. Jen was so worried about Ryan, then worried about herself that she blew the one advantage they could have had by revealing their relationship. Placing Ex's in the house (Sharon & Jacob) also brought tender emotions into the game, distracting THEM. BB turned the game upside down, and NOT in a good way, IMO.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 8:57 am
The soul mates thing is an illusion. They can't possibly have a big enough pool of applicants to REALLY find anyone's "soul mate". Unfortunately, the girls think they ARE paired with theirs while the boys understand it's (mostly) a joke.
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