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Spygirl
Board Administrator
04-23-2001
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 12:29 pm
Candy is the worst thing in the world to eat! Peanut butter is perfect, however. I wonder if she has ever seen a dietician to learn how to control her hypoglycemia.
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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 12:36 pm
*waves at spy* 47 degrees in Wichita (Are you still living there?) Heatwave!
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Spygirl
Board Administrator
04-23-2001
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 12:53 pm
LOL, Kswheels. I'm still here and I'm pissed at Dave Freeman. I WANT SPRING!
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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 12:54 pm
Spy - I guess you didn't get the memo when you moved here. We have two seasons: Hot and cold. No spring.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 1:04 pm
It was strange to see that Alison ran to the DR soon after her jogging and knew exactly what she wanted, asking for that specific medication (for allergy) so she knew she had some kind of allergy but still doesn't know to what food in the house, she only had slop but who knows what was in there. No one saw her swelling since she got in the DR right away and we have to take her word for it and who knows what the examining doctor or nurse is saying about that. I'm still disputing Amanda's genuine fainting spell, she may have low blood sugar levels and may have crashed before and may have learned how to put on a nice performance when needed... there is still no 100 % proof it wasn't faked and there were reports that at the hospital levels were normal... who knows!!!?? But it kept the BB show quite interesting with all that drama...
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 2:00 pm
Spunky, someone (one of the guys) saw Allison's face and said it was swollen and her lips were swollen three times their normal size, so I am guessing that her word was true.
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Scotchbright
Member
10-05-2006
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 2:47 pm
Re: "I'm still disputing Amanda's genuine fainting spell, she may have low blood sugar levels and may have crashed before and may have learned how to put on a nice performance when needed... there is still no 100 % proof it wasn't faked and there were reports that at the hospital levels were normal." By the time Amanda arrived at the hospital, she had already been given a sugar gel/glucose (I believe) to raise her blood sugar levels. It's totally possible to go from low to normal in a relative short amount of time if the correct treatment is given - although there is sometimes an after effect on the body. I don't believe her fainting, etc was an act.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 3:57 pm
After watching the show last night I found it interesting that the very first thing the nurse did when she got in the house was turn Amanda over on her back. I remembered there being discussion here that medical technicians would never do such a thing. Just struck me as quite interesting. I also found it interesting that Allison did, indeed, seem to know just what she needed. Oh...and now we know where they got all the outside info. It wasn't from the EMTs at all...it was from the POV competition. lol
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 4:02 pm
Thank you, Spy! I said peanut butter WAY upthread and everyone kept talking about sugar. (By that time I was too mad to go look up links re: protein and hypoglycemia that is NOT a result of diabetes.) And what Scotch said is true... she was given glucose before she left the house. Her blood sugar levels would have stabilized by the time she got to the hospital. I didn't think her fainting was an act, but I kinda questioned her actions in the house as soon as she got back in. And Spunky, I think Joshuah was the one who saw Allison in the DR and said her face was swollen, her lips were swollen, and she had hives on her arms. That said, however, I agree with whomever it was who said Allison must've known about some allergy. She went STRAIGHT into the DR, immediately asked for an epi-pen, and immediately said what her symptoms were (throat closing, tongue swelling). Someone who has not had an allergic reaction previously is not going to be calm enough to be able to describe those symptoms and ask for an epi. Odd, though, that the symptoms tooks so long to appear, isn't it? I lost the timeline but she was jogging around the backyard for quite some minutes before her reaction manifested, wasn't she?
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Jcsmom
Member
08-25-2006
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 4:05 pm
I thought that too Costa...I wonder if rather than a food alergy, could she have been bitten by something...are they on a lot? Are there bugs or bees in Ca this time of year?? Just a thought.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 4:17 pm
LOL Jcsmom. We have bugs and bees all year long! If she'd been stung or bitten though, we'd have seen her slap or itch at it, before she ran off to the DR, wouldn't we?
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 4:53 pm
I think it was this thread where someone said Amanda's fall was legit because she face planted. Having seen it on tv last night now, it looked pretty phony as she slouched down and caught herself with both her arms.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 5:07 pm
It didn't appear that the medical specialists thought it was phony.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 5:10 pm
I don't think medical specialists can do that, Bee. I think their first order of business is to treat what allegedly happened (fainting, saying she needed sugar). They can't spend the time to try to determine if someone is faking a fainting spell due to liability. They must treat first and verify later, yes?
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 5:14 pm
I just don't think they would have loaded her up and taken her off to the hospital if they suspected she was faking. Would they? I suppose they might...but I have seen (in RL..lol) EMTs respond to a call and not take someone off to the hospital.
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Wavewatcher
Member
09-09-2006
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 5:22 pm
I am agreeing with Marksman on this. Does anyone else suspect that Amanda has developed a habit of getting attention by having a 'fainting spell', 'cramps' (followed by gymnastics in the yard), etc. Is she the one who is a walking encyclopedia when it comes to diseases? One thing she does need is a good speech therapist, though. At first I thought that maybe she is a 'Janie wannabe'... a speech therapist can help her with that unfortunate baby voice.
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Wavewatcher
Member
09-09-2006
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 5:33 pm
About Allison's reaction: A friend has some food allergies that include certain nuts and fish. He has developed the habit of just tasting questionable things (muffins, battered items at a buffet for example) on the tip of his tongue. The reaction is quite immediate and he has been able to avoid serious problems so far. Allison's reactions were observed by some of the HGs and they appeared to be shocked at her appearance with the swelling...it will be interesting to find out what her allergies are.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 6:01 pm
Add me in to the list of people who were surprised Allison asked for an epipen, rather than just describing her symptoms. Yet she said she'd never had anything like it, it was the scariest thing that ever happened to her etc. as if it was new to her. Unless someone in her family or friends have serious allergies? I know this subject has been beaten to death, but protein and complex carbs are essential for maintaining blood sugar levels long-term, but simple sugars/glucose are what's needed when you're that close to collapsing on the floor. Step 1. remain conscious by ingesting sugar, step 2, stabilise the sugar levels with protein/complex carbs. It's no good knowing your sugar will be stable in half an hour if you've run out of sugar right now.
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Fan3
Member
07-07-2005
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 7:17 pm
I know I am allgeric to quiet a few things... and the doctor wrote a prescription for a epic pen for me to carry whenever I go on a trip... It is quiet scary and if you don't act quickly and calmly you can die.... just my 2 cents
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Sminger
Member
08-03-2007
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 7:35 pm
I simply question BB putting in someone with a medical condition. They know that slop is on the menu. I personally thought that the fainting looked a little staged. She was told to put some brown sugar on the slop and chose not too. It appeared that she came back to the house fairly quickly. Do you seriously think that anyone needing to eat 5 times a day would be put in the house and CBS would just take a chance that she would be alright? I think medical conditions play a big role in the selection process. As far as Allison and the allergic reaction, that would be hard to fake. I have had one allergic reaction to an unknown substance and thought I would die. My daughter, even as an adult, was traumatized by the experience. The epi works great but the after effects were horrible. I could not work for 2 weeks and could barely sit up in bed. I am glad she made such a quick recovery, but she had to feel pretty bad.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 8:06 pm
I'm allergic to bee stings, and then (LOL) I'm also allergic to the antivenom. Lovely, huh? Of course, thankfully, I haven't been stung by a bee since I was a teenager. Presumably, I'm to get myself to a hospital post haste or I'll die. If Amanda really is hypoglycemic and she knows her diagnosis because she got it from a doctor, she also should've received a diet plan for said doctor. And she should've disclosed her medical condition to the producers when she applied. It's a bit disingenous if she didn't. Also, I don't care how crappy slop tastes... if you have a condition that is resolved by eating, then you have to eat. Period. (My doc told me to eat six times a day.) I'm not saying Amanda faked anything. I'm just saying I'm thinking she's a bit disingenous and, well, is acting stupid if she doesn't do what she knows she's supposed to do.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 9:53 pm
I don't think Amanda was faking at all. What happened to her reminded me of what happened with my father. He HAD eaten lunch and probably a snack and was snoozing in the chair. He woke up with his arms waving wildly and couldn't speak properly. At first, my mother thought he was joking about something, but then she called me and when I heard him on the phone babbling, it was REALLY scary! My SIL is a nurse and told my mom to get him some OJ but to be careful so he didn't hurt her with his arms flailing around. Imagine my shock when I got to my parents about 15 min. later and found him sitting at the table eating a sandwich and sounding perfectly normal!! My mother managed to get him to sip some OJ and he came out of his fog and was able to go to the kitchen to eat. At the time, no one was sure it was hyopglycemia and they even kept him in the hospital for several days testing for a TIA, etc. I spent the night with him in the ED and his levels were on the low side, so they kept bringing him juice, but never the messure with the glucose as the nurse had done with Amanda. We've come to the conclusion it was hypoglycemia. He is Type II. As far as Allison goes: Since this is the first time she reacted, it could have taken a while for whatever it was to get through her system. My son is deathly allergic to peanuts as well as other nuts. He didn't react immediately after I first fed it to him since I went to the store after. When I got back, my DH met me at the car saying something was wrong. He had hives the size of tennis balls all over him and he was wheezing. Still the pediatrician on call (whom I didn't like) made light of the situation and said it was probably the new asthma medication he was given the day before which contained yellow dye #5. I went for a couple of years reading every label to make sure it wasn't in it until he was allergy tested. Because he had been hospitalized 2x with severe asthma, I had to start his diet over from scratch several times. It wasn't until he was 17 mo. old that I tried giving him peanut butter again. He screamed and didn't want it and I thought it was because of the texture. Around his mouth was red, but he had been playing in the snow and I thought it was irritated. A few days later I tried again and he screamed and didn't want it. I tried to just give him a dab of it and he got a welt next to his mouth. BINGO!!!!!! He kept trying to tell me and I had no idea! Fast forward - He came up 4+++++ in allergy testing for peanuts. He's fortunate in that he'll usually get a funny feeling in his mouth or he'll vomit if he actually gets something in almost immediately. There was one exception and the last time he was at the ED. It was a tiny amount of peanut/nut mixed into a cookie. He didn't react imediately, but within a half-hour he was vomiting, his throat was sweling, etc. After an epi-pen and a trip to the ED where they gave him prednisone, he was much better. By the next day he kept insisting he didn't need to finish the prednisone since he was FINE. Needless to say, I made him finish it explaining it helped keep the inflammation down. Sorry for writing a book here, but this topic has sort of been bothering me and it all just came out. I don't think any of us can really know exactly what happened, we can only give opinions. From what I've seen in my life, it is all very possible it was all real. FWIW
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 9:53 pm
I'll admit I haven't had time to read this whole thread, so forgive my possible redundancy.... I have had what I believe are hypoglycemic-type reactions. I won't say that I AM hypoglycemic, cause I've never been diagnosed as such (don't exactly visit the doc regularly). But I have, on occasion, had the shaky hands, slightly dizzy feeling described if I haven't eaten that day. All it takes is a piece of bread, some crackers (those peanut butter/cheese cracker things in vending machines work quite well), a handful of peanuts, or something of that sort to make the dizziness go away. But I also can go all day without eating (just having dinner at night) on a regular basis with no ill effects. This hypoglycemic-like reaction just hits me once in a while, probably if I've been drinking coffee all day without eating anything with it. Anyway, when I do get that reaction, the very last thing in the world I want is something sweet. That's why I was a bit perplexed that Amanda kept crying "all I need is some sugar." For me anyway, that would just make me worse. Not sure where I'm going with this post. When I started it I thought I was going to add something else after I typed what I did, but for the life of me I don't remember what that is now, if there even was any more to add. LOL. I did have a mini-episode a while ago. I'd started typing stuff if the Football Pool thread, and felt my hands shake as I tried to type, so I stopped and ate something. LOL, maybe my brain was afflicted too, and I don't remember. At least my hands are steady enough to type now! 
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 11:46 pm
Well, since I have both conditions, I feel I must say something. I don't think either episode was fake. I remember years ago passing out every afternoon and the Dr. not knowing why. Thankfully I recovered daily in spite of the Dr's incompetence. We see feeds/program clips of Amanda, but not Allison. Since I have both conditions, I belive Allison was in more danger than Amanda. There is a study in the New England Journal of Medicine about exercise induced anaphylaxis (90's). It documents a food eaten and then exercise causing the anaphylaxis. The food alone, nor the exercise alone caused anaphylaxis, but together, anaphylaxis occurred. Testing Allison for allergies right now is a waste of time. Her histamine levels are to high right now. Hopefully she is on a steroid taper to help with what she went through. Watch for behavior changes with her because of the meds. Lay persons experience.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 11:59 pm
If the timing shown in the show was right (and it might not be of course) it seemed like Allison was running round to de-stress after her big blow up with Sheila, so the adrenalin from the fight, plus the exercise plus whatever she ate, might have induced the flare up. It freaks me out a bit - what if she was jogging down a street with no one around and that happened? I don't know what a steroid taper is but she did say she had been given steroids as well as the antihistamines.
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