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Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 2:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
I know sexual antics are nothing new in the international versions of BB. I can't help feeling like we've crossed a threshold here in the US version. Since most discussion gets lost in the Live Feed Discussion thread, I thought it might be a good idea to start a separate debate thread to talk about what is shaping up to be the biggest change in the history of our beloved show.

Couples hooking up and "falling in love" are nothing new. A little nudity, a few streaking episodes across the back yard, an intimate petting session under the covers, and yes, even intercourse....it's been done before.

The uncharted area comes with the advent of stripping, full frontal nearly nude rubbing and humping of various partners. It comes from a female housemate writhing on the floor all but nude, so intent on what she's doing that she fails to realize her tiny g-string has displaced itself and is leaving absolutely nothing to the imagination.

When the good-natured "fun" moved from the living room to the swimming pool, we were treated with the sight of a variety of partners making out with each other, all apparently interchangeable with another. The only folks who showed any distaste at all to swap spit with another was Matt for Natalie, and Ryan for anybody.

What are your thoughts? How do you feel about this corner we have turned in the history of our show?


(And welcome to my first-ever thread. Difficult subject matter to keep PG-rated, but important to note in the history of the show.)

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
alison Grodner does "Family Business" with Seymore Butts.

lots of indepth Sexual perversions, fetishes and intercourse in every orifice

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I personally feel AG tapped into the wannabee Porn star pool to find these HGs.

I also feel that BBAD has been promised sex this year. That is why they prepare themselves for some false parties and antics SPECIFICALLY to start at 9pm.

They are carefully watching the clock for midnight.

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I have no issues with smooching and galloping around halfdressed. However, i have serious issue with it being FAKE producer derived FALSE action.

Sharon's Church and family are going to be horrified LOL

Nat's church...........nope, not going there.

The guys will cheer on the girls and have rapidly lost respect for them.

anyways............my brain is still alseep. I'll stop blabbing now

Resortgirl
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09-23-2000

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 2:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Resortgirl a private message Print Post    
My husband and I were just watching Showtime After Dark, and while we are not prudes... all I can say is yuck! They went too far for too long, and we had to turn it off. I feel sorry for their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and children (someday)

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 2:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
Well, I think it's partly because of the age factor- remember, this show has been on for 9 years, and people have gotten used to the fact that if you go on this show, anything you do basically will show up online somewhere. And the fact they've cast younger and younger people as we've gone along just means they're a little more open.

I'm just a little suprised that it took so long here to get to this point- Other BB's this is a matter of course (and even more over the top- remember the UKBB "wine bottle" incident a couple of years ago?)....

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
This really doesn't bother me. They are only hurting themselves. They are ones that will have to deal with the ramifications when they get out. I think BB fans (me included) just like to complain. We complain when the house guests are boring, when they are fighting, when we think BB is playing unfairly, etc. From here on out we know what to expect from this group. I will not be shocked to see 2 couples screwing on Showtime in the near future.

You put a bunch of horny 20 year olds in a house together and this is what you get. I think we are entering a new sexual revolution. Younger people are much more casual about sex now then they were even 10 years ago. Even Amanda who is trying to stay classy and said she is a virgin, but loves to give BJ's just blows my mind.

I am not saying I agree with this behavior, I am just saying it is what it is.

I for one can wait to see what happens next.

Mrsmel
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07-04-2007

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mrsmel a private message Print Post    
Notice how they were waiting to start the chugging of beer and strip party until 9 - Showtime! in more ways than one. I think Showtime must have told BB that if they wanted this time slot again it would have to be racier. It was sad to watch Natalie begging for attention from Matt and see him push her away. She would have probably done a lot more than soft porn if he had been willing. ONE MORE THING. I know I am getting old and all but if James came anywhere near me with that big ole thingy he is swinging I WOULD RUN!!!! LOL!

Guinevere
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03-15-2001

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Guinevere a private message Print Post    

quote:

Sharon's Church and family are going to be horrified LOL

Nat's church...........nope, not going there.

The guys will cheer on the girls and have rapidly lost respect for them.




I consider Sharon's behavior (at least what I saw) to be relatively mild. Yeah, heavy kissing with several guys, but all in good fun. I guess it would depend on how strict Sharon's church and family are about such things.

And anyway, mentioning both her church and Nat's church...I don't think the girls were doing anything morally wrong. Except (perhaps) in showing a lack of self-respect. But I don't think they were hurting anyone. As I said in another thread, I think Chelsia's comments about breaking people and using peoples' personal tragedies against them to be far more offensive and morally wrong.

It's funny that nobody mentions losing respect for James with his stupid penis tricks. It's such a double standard.

I didn't know Amanda said she was a virgin. Interesting. I don't necessarily think being a virgin and enjoying giving bjs are incompatible. Being technically a virgin doesn't necessarily mean one has never done anything. (Though I myself used to wonder at the possibly apocryphal stories of girls who maintained their virginity by only having anal sex. So I guess it's all a matter of perspective.)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 4:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm more concerned when people truly hurt each other than I am by these hijinks. The only part of this whole thing that truly bothers me is Matt's treatment of Natalie, though that is partly Natalie's doing as well.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 4:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Sorry, this is typical dorm behavior, on organized party nights, etc. Sure, some droms are organized based on questionnaires that ask how "studious" a student anticipates being, and so the actual dorms are organize as being the "party dorms", etc.

I remember my friend went to McGill (Canada) and her dorm was Gardiner, and it's nickname was "GardiNERDS". Then, another dorm was actually called Molson (which is appropriately named after the famous Canadian beer brewer). I dated a guy in Molson, and have been at a bunch of parties. Yeah, this is typical dorm behavior that most parents just don't realize is happening.

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 4:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
I understand it is dorm behavior but aren't most of these people out of college?

I don't mind seeing them go at it but what I didn't like was the girls trying to force Sharon to kiss another girl and then making fun of those that did not join their "activities"

Guinevere
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03-15-2001

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 4:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Guinevere a private message Print Post    
But it's a little different, don't you think, when you know that you're being recorded for posterity? And that who knows how many people can see you on the internet or BBAD?

Not that I think it's morally wrong...but I do wonder about these people's judgment. Of course, I wonder about their judgment even going on BB in the first place...

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 4:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
I have no doubt that this type of behavior occurs a lot of places where young, wild and uninhibited come together for an evening of drinking and fun.

The thing I have difficulty wrapping my head around is that this is playing out on 24/7 video feed coverage for the world to see. In seasons past, we've seen the players forget about the cameras from time to time, especially when telling a bit of their history to someone in confidence, like Amber's unfortunate incidents last year. But when it comes to the sexual arena, the players have mostly been very camera aware, stopping or covering up before it went too far.

The shelf life for porn on the internet will outlive the show by decades. Those videos and photos will always be out there for the world to see, when these younguns have wrinkly skin and pot bellies, and grandchildren underfoot.

My opinion is that at least one of the players, Natalie, hopes to get a porn deal out of her stint here. Possibly James as a second, his ummm size is quite impressive. Even though he has dabbled in the genre previously, he may be hoping for a bigger audience and more offers.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 4:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
My point exactly Guinevere. It's one thing to go to a party and behave this way versus on National Television for all your friends and family to see.

Cablejockey
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12-27-2001

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 4:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cablejockey a private message Print Post    
Somebody posted that this a new sexual revolution and people are more casual about sex than ever before---and that is true to a point. What I also noticed going on with the guys is the age old double standard where the women are marked negatively as <24> whe they act and dress in a sexually casual manner! Its also apparent that the guys talk to each other about controlling the women---'talk to your girl' was mentioned, and 'control your woman' I think was said.
The more things change, the more they remain the same.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 4:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
people mention Morals.

thats interesting.

however, I wanna hear more about Eeyore's Parties....Got pics?


I'm just KIDDING!

Steeltoe
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05-19-2007

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 4:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Steeltoe a private message Print Post    
I think that they are doing these things to make good television. However, they should realize that they are only looking like disgusting animals.

There are times when some of the things they do are okay, but some things really make you feel uneasy just watching. Sometimes I feel as though I am watching XXX material. It is just not normal...

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 5:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
The particular antics don't bother me... that kind of stuff has gone on for years... But I guess I regret the loss of what I know as the Big Brother experiment... Putting a number of random, diverse people together and see how they interact, clash, connect and co-exist... To me this season was targeted and cast as the R rated Big Brother with hopes of lots of sex... Where is Cowboy, Monica, Curtis, Danielle ... now those were characters!!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 5:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Cowboy and the hat trick?

The thing that people have to remember today is that technology has totally changed things. What used to be a wild moment that someone might regret but that a few people who happened to be present knew about has turned into something completely different today with cell phones, recording technology and the Internet.

Irishcoffee
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08-23-2007

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 5:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Irishcoffee a private message Print Post    
I have been highly surprised and mildly amused by this year's guests. As others, I've noticed they are very aware of when 9:00 rolls around and they have to "put on a show".

I could repeat what other's have said about some of the house, but something that struck me...pardon the pun...about last night has to do with Chelsea. The way she would occasionally hit the guys (and ladies?) when performing, and some of her other moves, made me wonder if she might not be a dominatrix or at least have leanings that way.

Jeneane
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05-18-2005

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 5:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeneane a private message Print Post    
I am just disappointed that a show I enjoyed because of the personalities and the added enjoyment of the board here with all the discussions and opinions has been ruined for me because I am not amused by watching the porn auditions. It was not great when they were all actress wanna-bes but now I can't even watch. I miss what used to be fun.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 6:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Well, I can see the posterity argument from both sides. First, it WILL be out there forever. But then again, who has ever really cared about a Big Brother contestant for more than a few years really. Seriously, these people are nobodies, prostituting themselves on national TV, but they lack the personality or charisma of a person like Janelle and even she is still a relative nobody, on the mainstream notoriety scale.

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
I think it's rather sad that this behavior really isn't that shocking. I think there are a few on there who are going to have trouble living with the consequences of what they've allowed themselves to get into.

For some reason I can picture one of them on the Maury showing wanting to know who her babies daddy is...lol.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Isn't there a difference between making "good TV" and "good pornographic TV"? Especially with this group, I'd think they'd realize their every antic will be YouTubed for decades to come. And not in a good way unless you want to star in movies such as James has starred in.

Charlottesmom
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01-02-2008

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Charlottesmom a private message Print Post    
Youtube doesn't allow nudity but I agree that last night will be on the net for quite a while. We have already had the "biggest fight in BB history" this season and now "the most nudity." If they think their loved ones won't see it on one site or another (not to mention the friends/family members who DVRed Sho2 last night) they are deluding themselves.

I bet Amanda, Ali and Sheila will be glad they did not participate.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 7:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
FAMILIARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT

I am finding this season's group contemptible cuz while we are getting to know them as individuals they are eagerly debasing themselves. They aren't just faceless orgiasts like those partiers on WildOn... which makes it painfully embarrassing to watch. Mind you I have no patience for shows like WildOn anyways. LOL. It must be my age showing...