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Tissy
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07-28-2003

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tissy a private message Print Post    

Nat and Adam still in HOH talking about how important it is for their side to win HOH this week.
Nat is saying she's going to pray for God to help her win, that Adam needs to pray for her.

less than 30 minutes ago Nat was telling Sheila how Chels asked Nat to pray for her to win POV
and Nat thought it was terrible that Chels asked Nat to pray to God for her to win something! Nat said she would pray with Chels if it was for the right reasons but not to win something!


Appears God is there to only help Natalie and her side win.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Yeah...Natalie called Chelsia fat. Very mean. LOL

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Natalie said she would pray FOR Chelsia. Natalie does believe in forgiveness. She said she would pray for Chelsia for things outside the house.

Natalie's faith has been unshakeable. It's the only comfort she has in that house, as it's obvious no one else is going to comfort her.

They're already planning their next round of attack against her this morning.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
All of us judge people in BB, that's why we're here posting. We're watching a game and we have opinions about the players in it. I think Nat is totally self-deluded on many levels. I don't give a crap what she has or hasn't done in her past any more than I do for any of the other HGs but her moralizing self-righteousness in the house gets to me. Also it really makes me uncomfortable that she has totally debased herself with Matt and is still playing the game for him.

I think that one's spiritual beliefs are private matters, I won't talk about mine here and I don't want to hear Nat preaching about hers in the house. Look at Kaysar- he had very strong religious beliefs that required real self-discipline on his part. Did he bring his religion into the game or judge anyone else based on the Koran? Did he search through his holy book to find quotes that would justify his behaviour? The same with Jason on BB3. People who have a sincere religious belief don't shove their faith in other people's faces. In contrast, time and again on BB we see HGs using religion it as a self-serving justification of their dubious behaviour in the game.

I'm not saying that others in the house are better people than Nat, right now I'm actually pretty much disliking all of them equally. I just don't think spouting random bible verses and talking about her personal god who apparently forgives everything she does all the time makes her a good person. <57>

Amykat
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07-24-2005

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Amykat a private message Print Post    
God is too busy to micro-manage

Ummm, my God isn't! He has NO limitations!!!

Beekind, I agree with you! I used a quote by Webchiq in an earlier post upthread that at the end said something like she wasn't sure Nat believed everything deep down. I should have said that I do think Nat believes it deep down, just maybe she doesn't have a grasp on it. She's got the faith part, which is huge, she just needs the guidance. Someone here in a post talked about church-about how you become saved and then they don't follow up with you. I wonder if maybe that is what happened. Unfortunately, that happens in every church from time to time.

I didn't see the Nat/Chel exchange, and from what I'm hearing I don't want to. I read the threads and that was enough. Sounds like Nat handled it the best she could.

EM, the Bible teaches we should gather with other Christians to fellowship and share our trials and our praises. We are to also look to our leader (pastor, in my case) for interpretations of the Scripture and also for guidance.

Mummy-lots of great points!!

YIKES it looks like I'm lecturing but I'm just trying to share my searches. Christians ARE supposed to judge...but ONLY other Christians
Didn't think you were lecturing at all! And yes, there are verses to cover how that is done.

my point? even belonging to a church doesn't necessarily mean you 'are' a saved Christian as per doctrine.
I agree completely! It goes back to the works thing you already pointed out.


To sum it up: I like Natalie :D
Me too!

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 11:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
God is in the details.


Very nice post, Amy.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
Self-edited- realized I was possibly being too provocative- I think I'll just stay out of here until the topic changes....

Sportsfan
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09-03-2007

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sportsfan a private message Print Post    
Chelsia came off looking like a bit of a psycho last night. I'm not sure if it was the jumping on the bed or the out of control laugh or a combo of both.

She has a lot of nerve calling Natalie white trash all the while looking like the poster child of that club.

I really hate when a woman calls another woman the 'c' word.

Lastly...I had to laugh at James telling Chelsia her behaviour will make him look bad to the others. A little later he admits to Adam and Josh that he came up with the Ice water plan when he was on the block. So moral of that story is: its ok for JAMES to do and say anything when he is on the block, but not anybody else cause he doesn;\'t want them to make him look bad....TOO late bud lol!!

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Km...I know what you mean. LOL

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
After watching the videos from last night all I can say there is no way anyone deserves what happened to Nat last night! I'm sorry but I think she is a lonely person and yes maybe she shouldnt have told her personal info but I can't judge her! I know what lonely is. And I know what it is like to try DESPERATLY to get people to like you! As a child and even young adult I let my self be bullied! And I can't stand Bullys

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
Natalie is probably the player I dislike least in the game. There are times I kind of like her, and I admire her ability to have a positive attitude about most any subject (I am woefully not able to do this). With that being said, her religious fervor is not doing her any favors in the house.

Nat appears to have a very obsessive personality. She was completely obsessed with Matt when he was in the house. Towards the end of his stay, her "God" comments became more and more frequent. Not that she didn't say them before, but they certainly were more prevalent when she realized she was losing her biggest ally.

Now that Matt is gone, she has completely went over the deep end. There is nothing wrong with being a religious person. She's behaving like a zealot now, flinging scriptures and holier-than-thou platitudes at the other players. She is using "God" in her game play almost constantly, and that's turning me off more than the Jameka/Amber show last season.

As detrimental as Chelsia's behavior the past 24 hours has been to her future in the game, I fear that Nat has alienated Adam/Ryan/Sheila with her God-play. She will find herself standing alone and will quickly be eliminated unless she snaps out of it. I don't think she can, because she's obsessed.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 11:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I agree. <76> Everywhere <Natalie> turns, people turn against her. Adam made a HUGE mistake asking her to leave HOH last night. Sheila made a HUGE mistake bashing Nat to the other HG's. I know what Sheila was up to, but it will backfire on her. Nat is the strongest person on their side. Shame on Ryan/Adam for not defending her. I don't expect anything out of Sheila, because she just doesn't have anything to give if it's not about her. However, she will end up leaving sooner if Nat goes.

Sportsfan
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09-03-2007

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sportsfan a private message Print Post    
Can you blame Natalie??? She has nothing else to fall back on. She is always getting attacked and NO ONE sticks up for her. What the heck is she supposed to do break down? Would that satisfy people? I detest Chelsia,James and Josh's bullying and am proud of Natalie because she is not giving in to it. Just because Natalie has low self esteem does not make her a bad person. If anything people should feel bad for her instead of continuing to pick her apart.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 12:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
If Natalie would tone down her comments and behavior, I think she would have more support. She would do well to keep her beliefs that God will protect her because she is a CHRISTIAN to herself. That behavior alienates her, as it did Jameka and Amber last season.

You can't continually spout this crap to everyone and expect them to have your back. When one says these things, it says to the listener "I am better than you because God is on my side".

Amykat
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07-24-2005

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Amykat a private message Print Post    
Thanks Beekind! Hope you are feeling better today! I wasn't on the lf discussion board last night for very long, so if you were feeling before you left, n/m. Ok, I think that was about clear as mud...

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 1:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I see thru mud, Amy. I gotcha. lol

Napa1526
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07-14-2007

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Napa1526 a private message Print Post    
When I hear people professing to be Christians, and quoting the Bible, and saying they are good and others are evil; then turn around and swear up a blue streak, have sex with virtual strangers, make fun of people, mock people, etc. etc., well it is a big turnoff to me. People who are on the fence and questioning their faith more times than not will turn and run further from their faith when they see someone preaching one minute and doing such immoral things the next. I've heard it said many times from many people if that is what being a Christian is, I don't want any part of it. I think in a game like this the best thing to do is pray in silence, read your Bible, and if another HG approaches you and WANTS to talk about faith, then by all means do so. But don't play holier than thou and turn around and act like heathen.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Amen Napa!

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 1:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
You are right, Napa. Those kind of people are what the bible refers to as "hypocrites".

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Napa, I just made a post in the current happenings thread that would be the perfect reply to your post. So rather than rephrase, think I'll repost it here since I think it belonged here to begin with (plus that section moves so fast it will be lost soon, and think it's a good enough point to hang around at least a few min lolol. But I do agree that I wish folks would leave God and religion out of active BB gameplay. To me true faith becomes a lifestyle and is reflected in how you act, not having God play with you. But those are my beliefs. Anyway, here goes;

OH and FWIW after I left in BB disgust late last night the difference between Nat/Chels and why I can take Nat so much more over Chels hit me but I was too tired to come back and post my ephiphany lol. So I'll share now.

I would actually bet real cash this is spot on. Nat reminds me of someone who came late to a religion and rather than learn and grow with it over a period of time, she is blindly believing in the manner of those that taught her about it, not questioning at all. It hit me that earlier yesterday she was quoting her first pastor as if he was some great spiritual leader and the point she made (per him) was wacko. So it hit me that she found the faith via someone who may not get it in the way many of us see as right.

But since a leader taught her this, she believes it in almost childlike innocence. I think the biggest lesson she needs to learn is that we need to question beliefs and leaders and find what is our truths. Even moreso to hear other GOOD interpretations so she may see why the one she grasped onto may not be the gospel (pun def intended lol).

But all that said, she was taught it this way and she truly believes it this way. Whereas Chels is using this and everything else as a weapon to turn against her. So I'll take ignorance with a good intention over knowledgable hate anyday.

And there ends "Lurk's Profound Thought Du Jour." Think I nailed it though!

Carrie92
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09-15-2003

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carrie92 a private message Print Post    
So I'll take ignorance with a good intention over knowledgable hate anyday.

That is an awesome quote!! Yes, you nailed it.

Quick question, and going completely away from the current topic:
Is there PROOF of the bj's that Natalie denied?
I don't need to see it, just knowing that there is proof is enough!

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
Carrie yes.

ETA: And there is proof in the house too. Ryan watched once.

Carrie92
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09-15-2003

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carrie92 a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Bic.
I have to say, I would deny it too.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Ryan listened.

No one has watched...it was under the covers.

Wavewatcher
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09-09-2006

Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wavewatcher a private message Print Post    
Ahhhh.....visions of Scarlet Letters dancing in the air.