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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 9 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 9 - Part 10 (FINAL): General Discussion: Jury House Confusion: Archive through April 14, 2008 users admin

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Lorry
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08-05-2007

Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 8:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lorry a private message Print Post    
I am a little confused about the jury house. I understand that they are put into sequester to keep them from seeing what is going on. I think that is wrong is a way. First of all, I can see blocking them from reading internet chat rooms or contact by phone with outside info. My question is "Why aren't they allowed to see either the feeds or BBAD?". How can they make a decision on who to give 1/2 mil to if they only see what is shown to them from the various competitions? We know how the producers edit for the CBS show and influence the viewers (without the feeds) to their way of thinking. I'm sure the tapes for the evicted HG are also edited the way the producers feel. Afterall, these HGs can only go by what was going on when they were evicted. We, all, know how that changes day by day. Last year, when Dick won, is when I began to get a little suspicious. They said they gave it to him because he played the best game. How would they know that if they had been out of the house for various number of weeks? I just don't think they are getting a true picture in order to award this money. Does anyone else feel that way or am I wrong?

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 8:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
I see what you are saying. I think if they did get the whole picture most of them would REFUSE to vote for anyone...lol.

But yeah their hate is allowed to go on because they don't see enough of the game after they've left. I wonder how different the voting would be if they could see the live feeds during sequester.

Tresbien
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08-27-2002

Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 8:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tresbien a private message Print Post    
I take the it is what it is stance Lorry. Everyone knows the rules going in, and no one ever promised that it's fair. The jury does have the Q&A with the finalists, as well as their roundtable discussion, so they gain information from and are influenced by each of those who left after them.

As far as last season went, we debated whether or not the jury should have been told before voting that Eric was America's Player. Certainly the moves Eric was forced to make contributed substantially to Dick's win (no, I don't think he played the best game).

Sassynegal
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01-21-2005

Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 8:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassynegal a private message Print Post    
I agree letting them see the show would be awesome cuz really what it comes down to is the opinion/influence of the most outspoken person.

BUTTTT - the last season that they weren't in sequester was win Danielle got 2nd place and the reason she lost was due to her Diary Room's that they aired for the show - so even being the best player she didn't win.

Either way, it's not a perfect system. I wish they'd sequester them all separately then the fence sitters wouldn't be swayed by the outspoken ones on which way to vote.

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
Definitely not a perfect system. They do get more info when others come into the sequester house but that is extremely biased.

Lorry
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08-05-2007

Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 8:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lorry a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Guys, for responding. I guess there is no clear cut answer to my confusion. It just doesn't seem like a fair set of rules, but, hey, this is BB and who said this show was fair!!!

Kadaisy03
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02-17-2008

Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 9:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kadaisy03 a private message Print Post    
I thought part of playing the game is to wrong the least amount of people, because their last impression of you is what they take into the jury house. I think it adds more difficulty to the game, because you have to be able to manipulate people into thinking you genuinely looked out for them and played a good game. I like that they can't watch the feeds or BBAD :D

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 9:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
It's done to stop evicted houseguests knowing they've been conned by another player when they didn't have that information when they left the house. They can be suspicious, or they can choose to trust or not trust what a later evicted hg tells them, but they don't know.

Take a hypothetical case of what could have happened with Erica during the season with Will and Mike Boogie. (I know she was actually runner up so would never have gone to sequester anyway.) If she'd seen the live shows she'd have known Mike Boogie was making a fool of her. Without seeing the live shows she had Janelle telling her she was being played but she didn't quite believe it. If she'd gone to sequester and had a vote at the end she'd have probably voted for Mike Boogie to win. If she'd gone out into the real world and seen his DR clips she'd have probably voted for him to lose. They have to keep the integrity of the hgs' game play during the game.

And Sassy, above, mentions Danielle's play. She conned almost all the evicted hgs - she completely outplayed them in the game. But they didn't vote for her because when they saw she had outplayed them they had sour grapes and voted for her to lose.

Seeing clips from the show allows them to see side deals or DR clips that reveal information they wouldn't be privy to if they were in the house. It's like seeing that a poker player is bluffing you and being able to change whether you decide to fold or play on.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
The problem with clips from the shows it that BB edits to tell the story they want to tell, not necesarily what really happened.

Cillysue2
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05-02-2003

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 3:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cillysue2 a private message Print Post    
Regarding the jury house. My guess is that it is in the Santa Barbara area. Poor house guests thinking it is in Hawaii.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 6:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
Can't the jurists discuss what occured in the house when they reach the jury house? Although it seems like the final 2 questioning happens right after the last juror arrives which seems unfair imo.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 7:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
My understanding is that they are not allowed to discuss the game until they are all in the sequester house. Then they have a round table discussion. But I thought they got to see the show minus the DR sessions. Don't the evicted HG bring the copy of the latest show in with them.

Of course as has been mentioned, the show is edited to show what the producers want them to see.

The problem with Danielle was the DR sessions, where she was so brutally honest in her opinions of the other HGs. She hurt a lot of feelings. Until then, the evicted houseguests just went home and there was no limits on what they could see. The only way to control that is through a sequester house.

2boysrule
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03-25-2008

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2boysrule a private message Print Post    
Allie, I think they only get clips of the HOH comp when the previous houseguest was evicted & the eviction of the person entering the sequester house. Not 100% sure on that though

They should show more clips from the whole week (not diary room confessions), it would make it interesting to see if they keep their same feeling as when they were evicted or if seeing some more footage would sway them another way.)


Bbnine
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02-16-2008

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 7:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbnine a private message Print Post    
Regarding the jury house. My guess is that it is in the Santa Barbara area.

I don't think so ... didn't see a beach ... and it would be too cold in that area. The only reason to take it out there would be to have a beach.

The house is still in california, but somewhere warm .... that house looked like the hollywood hills area to me. didn't look like the desert either. jmo though

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 8:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Um, Santa Barbara is not going to be much cooler than Hollywood Hills this time of year. The weather has been beautiful up and down California.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
The HGs see HOH comp, Nominations, POV comp and POV ceremony, and Eviction on their CD that each evicted HG brings with them.

2boysrule
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03-25-2008

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 9:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2boysrule a private message Print Post    
Thank you Beekind.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
If the jury got to see the DR's, no one would ever say anything in the DR except how much they "loved" all the other hamsters.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Didn't the houseguests change how they talked in the DRs the year after Danielle lost due to her snarky ones? I seem to recall that they suddenly seemed to get real nice when talking to BB. Then, of course, they found out the HGs wouldn't be seeing their DRs, and some houseguests reverted back to snark.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
That's how I remember it, Costa.

Govols
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07-19-2005

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Govols a private message Print Post    
I think this year everyone that goes to the jury house has already completely decided who or whom they will not vote for to win.
They don't have an Eric (last season) to "debate" issues.

Did I use the proper who/whoms?

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
You just needed "whom" :-)

I don't see any thread about the jury house itself, so I'll just Post it here.

I sure don't get a "party" feel from the inside of that house like past houses. While the house itself looked big from the outside, the rooms looked small and cramped.

Lorry
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08-05-2007

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lorry a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Kitt, that was a informative post. It, certainly, straightened out some of my confusion. I just never looked at that angle at all. I guess that is their reasoning behind the sequester, but I'm still not sure if I like it.
Geez, I've got to stop over thinking this!!

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
In season 3 Roddy called the jury and influenced their decision. Dani lost even though she played the better game. Lisa won. Marci didn't use his golden POV.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Monday, April 14, 2008 - 3:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
The jury house looks positively depressing to me. Plain walls, plain furniture, small bedrooms. It's not very pretty on the inside, while being impressive from outside.

I would definitely be in a deep state of depression there, especially with the current tenants.