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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 6:02 pm
Well she is definitely going for attention, Costa (not that she is alone in that) but she is so actively seeking Mattie's attention, to the point where it makes them all uncomfortable. Curious.. me too.. the barrier thing/and lack thereof.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 2:37 pm
I was going to say, Natalie doesn't seem to have any boundaries and was wondering if something happened in her childhood to cause her not to learn about boundaries. But I see that speculation has come up. I also have gotten the feeling that she might try to use her body to hook men in, it seems to me she tried that with Matt. This also leads me to wonder if things happened in her childhood to make her believe that was the way to get attention/love.
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Curious1
Member
08-31-2002
| Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 3:21 pm
Dipo I have wondered the very same thing...I can't help but feel for the girl and I can't help but want to give her a hug. I hate to say it but being on national tv, and 24/7 feeds is not the best place for Natalie right now. She has boundaries that are basically non-existent and well....I just hope that people realize she has issues that probably stem from a lot of crap that likely isn't her fault at all. And the tendency that most people have to say "still she's an adult she should know better then to act this way...it's embarrassing! Well, the tendency to say that seems natural, but the problem with Natalie is I don't think she truly does know better...there was obviously something missing or going on in her childhood that she didn't learn boundaries and didn't get the love she needed to make her "whole" if that makes sense.
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Kimsue
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 10:15 am
Ok....So I am going to jump in here and defend her. She is an adult and she probably does know better. She also knows she is free to behave the way she wants. She lives her life "her way", as an open book. I've known a number of people like this and it isn't that they need attention or that they want your sympathy. They simply don't understand why it can't or shouldn't be talked about. Sex is free and legal, she is over consenting age, it is a perfectly natural thing to do so why not? The same goes for abortion, it's legal and this is not the 1960's. I think if it were we would call her a free spirit or a love child. Being an exotic dancer is nothing knew and getting naked is also easier for some then others. At least she is an attractive gal. It is what it is....just part of her life. She seems to be a happy for the most part. That's more then I could say for the rest of the HG's.....all caught up in lies and judgments. She seems harmless to me. TJMO
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Marmosquirm
Member
09-10-2003
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 5:42 am
OK, this is a little of topic but I had to say something in response to Ketchuplover's post. I'm not sure what you mean by, "I hope she didn't have the abortions just for the hell of it." First off, I agree with Kitt and can't imagine any woman would "have abortions just for the hell of it". <25> I felt that it was very disrespectful, not just towards Natalie but of any woman, to think that an abortion is something a woman would take lightly. There may be some women who do but in my experience no woman that I know would ever have or has ever had an abortion "just for the hell of it".
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 6:42 am
Marmo ... I do not feel that Ketchuplover was being disrespectful to any woman. I think his point was that Natalie does many things that other women would would not do just for the hell of it. Natalie seems to take many things lightly... Natalie doesn't think about her actions the way other women would. Ketchuplover's post may have been disrespectful of Natalie, but frankly I don't believe he has any respect for herself or deserves the respect of others.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 10:05 am
Of course she deserves the respect of others. We all do. Unless we've done something utterly heinous. Natalie doesn't have barriers. She doesn't think before she speaks. (Which is why Matt keeps telling her not to talk) But she has a heart of gold and she's trying hard to enjoy herself in that house, which is definately not an easy thing to do. She is not constantly on-game and she is not trying to use or manipulate anyone. She is like putty in their hands and they all use her for their enjoyment.
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Shoppekeeper
Member
09-02-2007
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 10:07 am
I have known many girls that behave just like Natalie. Needy in so many ways. Many of the girls I know had wonderful, loving and even protected childhoods. To me it is just a personality trate that may not stem from anything other than a birth right. Not everything is a psycolgocal thing.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 10:13 am
Sorry Bee, but I don't respect that behavior... It doesn't mean that she is not a nice person or that I wouldn't try to be there for her if she wanted help, but I do not respect her behavior and I would not want my children hanging out with her...
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Curious1
Member
08-31-2002
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 10:18 am
I certainly didn't mean to disrespect Natalie in any of my posts. Honestly she is my favorite houseguest. I admit that I have a soft spot in my heart for her and my only "judgement" of her is that she seems to have that nagging feeling in her heart of just wanting to be loved. I know the feeling and I've had it all my life. Of course, I could be wrong and maybe she doesn't feel that way at all...this is a TV show and essentially also a game show so who can possibly know how someeone truly feels outside of this game. Anyway, I really like Natalie and I do think she deserves respect. I didn't mean any disrespect to her, but yes I guess I can see how I and others have been judging her. Surely the houseguests know though that entering this house and going on this show means that their behaviors will be analyzed and judged...doesn't make it right but that's a big part of why alot of us watch this show (whether we admit it or not).
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 10:24 am
Bon...I can understand not respecting her behavior. She is often over the top. But I was responding to saying that she "doesn't deserve the respect of others". I agree that she longs to be loved and is sometimes a bit desperate about it.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 10:29 am
yah I think I didn't word that so well...
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 10:44 am
lol
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, February 29, 2008 - 11:11 pm
Isn't Natalie the one who shared through tears on maybe the first night or so of the feeds that she bascially raised herself because her mother was schizophrenic? I recall her crying and saying, "No one knows all I've been through," and then said she was doing this for her mom and her mom was so proud of her. I could see her childhood lacking the attention she needed make her behave very needy and also feeling the need to be loved as she's gotten older. I often just cringe when I hear her say things and see her do things with no regard to boundaries.
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Steeltoe
Member
05-19-2007
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 9:41 am
I understand that Natalie might have been lacking things as a child. While she may have been force to be mature for her age and take care of mother, as well as herself; I think she is far better than what comes to eye. If you hear Nat speak she never really talks of any adult situations that are dragging her down. She worked in Vegas and you can not be that slow and work their and be successful. I am starting to think that behaving the way she has been is her way of getting through the game. She acts like an nagging and annoying person that can not take no for an answer with Matt, but maybe that is what she wants him to think. If she were really the ditz she wants us to believe in when Amanda fainted she would have passed it off as a joke. If she were really that slow she would not have realized that Allison was playing her--when she tried to confront her Matt told her not to. It is just that I am starting to see her as the girl that will do anything to win even if that means showing us her ENTIRE BODY...
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Cillysue2
Member
05-02-2003
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:55 am
Nat is a good hearted person, having a mom who had mental disabilities, well sometimes those are heridetary. Hope not in this case. I grew up in a kind loving family. But there was never any hugs or kisses or affections shown except for words. As I grew up I became sexually active and had many partners, I was searching for someone to love me. Didn't realize it until I was older. Now settled into my adult married life, everything is cool. I see this in Natalie. She feels this is the only tool she has to attract a man, so she is using it. She could use some gentle counseling to get over this. And to stand up to Matt and not let him talk to her like a child. For her self-esteem I would love to see them or her win the game. But even if they become singles, I doubt she will let Matty go and he will play her, if he makes it that long. Juat my opinion.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 11:09 am
Part of me thinks Natalie has a lot of issues from childhood that has her being way to open and free with herself. Her actions show me she has little to no respect for herself. But....then I watch her last evening....Mattie made it so clear he wanted time away from her....but she kept hunting him down and plobbling her self in the mist of his convos...he would leave and she would hunt him down again and repeat herself. She refused to take the hint....personally I see this as either extremely stupid...meaning any lack of intelligence, OR very manipulative, insisting on having her way and what she wants no matter what the other person desires. But you know, in this house, Natalie isn't all that weird considering the company she keeps...lol
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Chewpito
Member
01-04-2004
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 11:39 am
Im with you Cillysue2, I had kinda the same upbringing as you, only take away the loving part... I too grew up way to fast and was searching for love.... It took me untill I had my daughter to really relize what my life was and had become.... I grew up fast and think Im pretty decent now... So I think Nat will be allright (I Hope)... The only thing that Nat needs to realy get over right now is the "stalker" thing...that kinda scary... Hope thats just game play, otherwise that could be her biggest downfall, cause thats a dangerous game to play...
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Kittyab
Member
07-16-2005
| Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 1:40 pm
Honestly, I think Natalie, is looking for someone to love & protect her. But she is going about it the wrong way.
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Steeltoe
Member
05-19-2007
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 8:01 am
After watching Nat last night, I think that she is not what she seems. She is a nice person, but I really think she is playing the game as the ditz. I think she is aware of everything and knows more than she lets on. She really did not take all of the crap that Matt was feeding her and she does have a wonderful sense of humor--her and Josh last night priceless.
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 5:40 pm
I just have to ask - what is the freaking deal with the breast milk? Does she really think she's being cute? And why aren't the HG's grossed out by it? And on a scientific note - how is she able to produce it? Yes, I heard she had abortions but I think they were in the early stages of pregnancy, right? I'm a mom, and I didn't produce breast milk (that I know of) until AFTER my son was born. Is her "situation" common?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 5:43 pm
She says she spoke to her doctor and he said it was normal. I suspect she does it quite often in real life, or she'd have dried up by now. Just my guess.
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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 5:44 pm
Carrie - She seems to think it's because she had breast implants while pregnant, before the abortion.
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Steeltoe
Member
05-19-2007
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 9:02 pm
Poor Natalie just wants attention, and I really feel sorry for her. However, like I said before I really think she is playing dumb and is actually smarter than they think. Last night she really did not let Matt shut her up she questioned his every suggestion. Maybe she is realizing that Matt is not the world...At first I liked the kid, but after seeing how he treats Nat, as though she is below him, I can not stand him...
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 10:22 pm
Carrie - She seems to think it's because she had breast implants while pregnant, before the abortion. Why would anyone do that?? I'm surprised her surgeon was okay with that, unless she lied to him..or she didn't know she was pregnant. What these young girls don't realize is most often their boobs will get bigger after having children. They don't necessarily need to get boob jobs.
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