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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 9 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 9 - Part 10 (FINAL): Outside the House: Natalie's behavior: ARCHIVES: Archive through March 30, 2008 users admin

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Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 9:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Omgsh, I know, Beek...she is really proving how smart she really is...love it!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 9:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Beek while I always appreciate your opinion on things, I think making fun of Nat's Promiscuity and Purposeful Nudity is allowable ...in the context of the game and her choice of pretence.

Not sure why it is surprising to anyone that Christians do get naked for a bath. No one here said that Christians dont take their clothes off.

however, for the purpose of Sexual enticement, using your body to obtain wanted attention and gratification (in pictures, on stage and on TV/ Internet)is against everything that is Clearly laid out Biblically. Heck, Nat herself has read many verses out denouncing her OWN behaviour LOL

and thus we have a giggle at Nat's expense, and are allowed to express our opinions based on the Facts of the Feeds.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 9:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Nerovh, as far as I know, adam is going to donate it all.

And if I recall correctly, Chelsea was giving a chunk of hers to "make a wish Foundation" if she made it to the end.

None of the other selfish people have mentioned a thing (that i've heard anyways)

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 9:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
I didn't know it was a requirement for the HG's to tell anyone how they planned to spend the money. Its kind of like asking someone where thier paycheck is going.

Besides this is BB, can you believe any of them?

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 9:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Hmmmm, while I wouldn't claim to be a Biblical scholar, isn't there an important lesson that is clearly laid out in the Bible about "judge not lest ye be judged"?

But if I was going to ignore that, my consideration of Natalie would be how her actions seem to me to be kinder and more genuine than the other HG. While that might not be saying much in that house, it is the house we have for this BB. And also, Nat has shown to be far more strategic in her thinking than I think many have given her credit for. So I am getting more impressed with her gameplay as we go along.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
actually no, . The entire chapter and book needs to be considered.

To pick n choose bits n pieces gives a false sense of what it means.

The actual statement simplified is If you judge people, be prepared for others to judge you in a similar manner. actually Nat has even said this on the TV show quite a few times.


that is applicable to everyone.

For people professing to be christians, there are a different set of statements... which tell people it is their DUTY TO JUDGE those who are not keeping up their Christian lifestyle.

to make sure that others do not think that the behaviour is acceptable to other Christians.

I am actually quite moderate in many of my personal beliefs. But something about Nat irks me. LOL

She wants to be judged.....in the way she is judging others. Lets do it LOL

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Hmmmm interesting, because I would think the "judge not lest ye be judged" IS the broad picture. Regardless it certainly is a clear statement, so while some may continue to judge if you wish, I simply will leave that to a greater judge than I, and only comment on her gameplay in the BB house.

I will just add that since different religious beliefs vary so greatly, that it is hard to qualify what is "right" let alone to judge it. But as I said, I feel that duty belongs elsewhere. Just my belief FWIW.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
The way I see it is that instead of the lone Christian in the house, this year we are seeing a spectrum of Christianity. It is not a matter of someone bringing thier faith into the house, it is a matter of thier belief system and how that effects their everyday life.

So we go beyond judgeing and look for fruits. We are to know Christians by their fruits. What someone claims does not mean that is their heart.

It is thier fruits. Not their past, but their now. Christianity is not about perfection, it is about being human, failing, accepting forgivness and still trying.

To all....take this as you will. Only God knows a person heart.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Mummy...that is beautifully stated. Can I say AMEN to that?

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Thank you, Mummy...I got goosebumps from your post!

Victoryrm
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09-20-2007

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Victoryrm a private message Print Post    
I agree with you Sun. I was raised reading the Bible and was always taught you could not just cherry pick parts that sound good to you. It is not Nat's judging others as they all have done so. It is judging while preaching the Bible and at the same time doing things herself that no serious christian woman would ever do. Like servicing Matty and emerging from the bath without covering up right away when she must know cameras are everywhere in that house. Nobody in that house has claimed to be the christian she is. I find her behavior strange and distasteful for a "christian". She likes the cameras watching her nude. IMO

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Natalie is a novice...a beginner with her grace from God. She is learning. She will continue to learn. She trusts God. That's the most important part.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
we are to know Prophets by their fruits.
If I recall the Whole chapter context - once again, one verse, taken out of a whole chapter is easy to change the meaning.

teaching of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount; it suggests that we are able to distinguish between false and genuine prophets by the things they do and say. In the same passage, Jesus calls false prophets wolves in sheep's clothing.

Nat's obsession with occult Numerology doesnt make her a prophet.


that it is hard to qualify what is "right"

it's not hard at all IMHO. There are lists of sins throughout the Bible, clearly labelled as THese Are Sins.

For all have sinned, should make us humble and Not throw it into the person's face tho. But we also shouldnt ignore it.

I do realize that many churches have diluted down what a sin even is and turn a blind eye to the difficult to follow ones (like having sex indiscriminately.

We all can believe anything we want to in real life. But as someone who has had some strong background in both Christianity and Atheism, I dont like hypocrisy.


I also like to make sure people have full information or at least enough they can do the searches themselves.

and NO i"m not a religious nut. Dont go to church as I am tired of hypocrisy.

Victoryrm
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09-20-2007

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Victoryrm a private message Print Post    
Well right now she is taking another bath for the cameras and will once again take her time covering up afterwords. It is a bit disgusting and seems very caculated. There is nothing novice about the girl imo.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
"Whoever is without sin, let him cast the first stone"

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
again, out of context

(arent I FUN!?)

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I don't find it the least bit disgusting. Wish I had felt that free about my body at that age.

Victoryrm
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09-20-2007

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Victoryrm a private message Print Post    
You are right Sun- ITA

Victoryrm
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09-20-2007

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Victoryrm a private message Print Post    
I just want to know what church on planet earth she goes to that makes this behavior free and good.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Do I have to stay in context? I don't think I can do that perfectly all the time.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Natalie's beliefs are not as ours. They are her own...and she is perfectly allowed them. She is a novice to her religion. She is learning and will continue to learn.

Why must she be berated for her beliefs? They are hers...and she, ultimately, will face her Maker in the end. He will decide whether she was true of heart or not.

I find her to be far less hateful and cruel than many of the others. I find her to be far more generous than many of the others. I could care less how often she flashes her boobies at us. She likes them...She likes her body.
She is obviously comfortable with herself, with her God, with her life.
More power to her!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
that is a chapter talking about how the Scribes were trying to trick Jesus into giving an "incorrect answer" to the usual expected Sentence given to an adulterer.

ya there is a lesson there but it is not the 'simplified' version so that no one in general public knows anything about the REAL story other than that one Catchphrase.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Vic...most churches accept the sinner. What difference could it make what church she goes to?

Victoryrm
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09-20-2007

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Victoryrm a private message Print Post    
She is not a novice in anything she does. She is very caculating just like the others and is trying to win 500k. If she haden't brought Jesus Christ into this game and named her team Christ while doing all this other stuff I would not have a problem with her.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
She is a novice to her religion

no she isnt. She professes to be a christian for many years. 'out of her mouth' I've heard it. Not an opinion

Why must she be berated for her beliefs?

Berated? harsh word.

There are people here who are not familiar with Biblical rules, and some Atheists even, who mock religion due to the hypocrisy.

to defend the hypocrisy of Natalie is to say that Christianity is False, fake and the concepts in it are to be ignored.

there is no middle ground Biblically either a person sins or they dont. Either you are sorry and commit to never do it again ....OR you are a hypocrite when you know you will do it again because you like the attention.


anyways, this thread is never fun so I'm exiting for awhile.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Churches never accept that the sin is OKAY.

of course anyone can come in thru the door, but it is Christian duty to try to correct that person out.

When Nat's letter said her family was praying for her, I took it to mean that they KNEW what crap she was doing in the house and was trying to remind her that they are watching.

and that they Know she's backslid.