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Bbnine
Member
02-16-2008
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:38 pm
DR said to James he had to respect "personal space" and couldn't rub his penis on anybody or masterbate - he's to do that in private. Nat and Matts bj's were consentual ... not even to be compared to James's discusting behavior towards Nat....
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:40 pm
She could have gone inside, but what's to stop James from following her in there? If she left the area it would let James know he was getting to her. It's not like she can leave the house! I think the difference between Nat giving Matt a bj, or stripping for the HG, and James doing what he did today is a matter of CONSENT. Natalie wanted to do the bj and the stripping, she did not want this kind of attention from James, and he forced it on her in this situation.
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Bbnine
Member
02-16-2008
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:41 pm
So James didn't actually TOUCH Natalie? He just sat there naked? Seriously? And that's illegal? That not alll he did .. he swung it at Nat and asked her to suck it ... this isn't hin the privacy of his OWN back yard it is a work place.... there would be no question if he was ONLY walking around naked ...
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:41 pm
Would someone be fired from their job for what James did today?
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:41 pm
If this is deemed to be a "workplace" then it arguably would be sexual harassment... but so would the orgy a few weeks back. And just because someone didn't vocalize a complaint does not mean it was not sexual harassment. Sexual harassment at work occurs whenever unwelcome conduct on the basis of gender affects a person's job... so if the HG's felt they had to go along with the free for all orgy night so as to not loose their "job" it too would be sexual harassment... ETA: I just think AG has gone down the wrong path...
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:42 pm
I saw the tapes of the "strip tease orgy". It appeared the event was consensual by ALL the parties, both men and women. They were having fun and it was for the mutual entertainment of all. I don't think that episode has anything to do with James' lewd and suggesstive behavior towards Nat. James wasn't trying to "entertain" and his actions weren't meant for Nat's enjoyment. James' actions were meant to humiliate and embarrass Nat. Nat's previous relationships do not give any man the right to humiliate or hurt her. Not touching her has nothing to do with it. James specifically set out to hurt Nat, and that's just wrong. I know James is liked and can be a nice person...but this time, he was just wrong.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:44 pm
And creates a hostile and offensive working environment, Bon.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:45 pm
I didn't see all of it, just some of it...but James was scooting himself closer and closer to her even though she was saying no. And he was making comments about "sucking it" and so on. It seems to me that if someone is telling you "NO" and you continue doing it, it's inappropriate. I don't think Natalie, or anyone else, should be forced to sit next to a nude man. She did get up and go to another lounger, and then got up again and dragged that lounger closer to where Ryan was lying in the boat lounger. I think that's about as far away as she could get at the moment. But, just simple courtesy would suggest that if Natalie doesn't want to play with James when he's nude, she shouldn't have to.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:45 pm
Kep... Amanda, Sheila and wasn't there someone else that didn't think it was so fun and entertaining... and for those that "appeared" to enjoy it, that is not the criteria. Sometimes people who are sexually harasses go along and appear to enjoy so as not to loose their job... be the party pooper...
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:46 pm
James seems like the type to have no respect for others. He said he hates these people but what he really means is that he hates these people because they are evicting him(at least he thinks they are evicting him.) If I were Sharon's parents, I'd have a few words for James and not kind words. At this point, if Sharon leaves instead of James, it would not hurt my feelings at all. James has said and done at least two things I consider worse than anything ED did. One, saying to the other guys that they should just kill Nat and the other thing is naked dong on Sharon. Ed told Jen he hoped she died a long and painful death but that isn't the same as saying "we should kill her"
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:46 pm
Klaw... are you saying you don't think they are in a hostile and offensive working environment?
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:49 pm
That maybe true Bonbon... but I still don't think the "orgy" relates to James' behavior because of the intent behind it. The orgy didn't take place specifically to humiliate or embarrass anyone... they were having fun that got a bit out of control... James' intent was to humiliate and embarrass Nat, no other reason. That's what makes it so very wrong in my eyes...
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:49 pm
The Big Brother house is not a workplace and their stipend is not intended to be a "paycheck" or "salary." It's like the stipend you get when you attend a focus group... reimbursement for time you spent there. In order for it to be a hostile and offensive working environment, those who are within the environment need to speak up. But it is NOT a work environment, so the harrassment laws don't prevail. And you can bet that was in their contracts.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:49 pm
This is the entertaining show that BB has become. Get used to it....it'll be worse next season.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:50 pm
Not at all, Bon...I absolutely think that did create a hostile environment for Natalie. She said she felt like she needed to isolate herself from the others to avoid any more attacks.
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Taysmomcj
Member
03-24-2008
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:52 pm
Costcat.. sexual harrassment is not limited to the workplace. That is just one place where is does frequently happen. As someone who has bee in that position, I totally feel for Nat.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:52 pm
Nat, get yourself a little wet towel and ready yourself. He will put his TW on to protect his only future income.
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Oaktree
Member
03-16-2008
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:53 pm
If someone put their junk in my face, I'd nail it to their forehead.
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Tissy
Member
07-28-2003
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:54 pm
This is the entertaining show that BB has become. Get used to it....it'll be worse next season. I really dont get why they`ve gone down this path. It was a great show with all the game play, competitions etc, why go and spoil it 
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Bbnine
Member
02-16-2008
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:55 pm
A whip with a wet towel in his "man parts" would definately teach him a lesson .... LOL! or maybe not ...
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:55 pm
I think Costa is right... A stipend is a payment to an individual for some training. The one who pays the individual does not control the product and does not employ the individual... No taxes are removed from stipends. A salary is payment for services where the center has control of the individuals product. An employee-employer relationship is set up and Federal Income Tax is taken from a salary....
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:56 pm
It just occurred to me that both James and Chelsia have put their junk in Natalie's face! What a pair...they deserve each other.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:56 pm
I think the best defense as a victim of this type of behavior would be to laugh it off and not let 'em see ya sweat. It's incredibly difficult to do, I know. But once you let someone who is behaving like a schoolyard bully know that their behavior somehow intimidates you, it's all downhill from that point forward. It would be smart to engage in a conversation with him as if this was the most entertaining thing ever, and he was brilliant to think of a way to help them get through their day with some humor. Ask him questions about how it must feel to be so disproportioned. Show pity and sympathy for his obvious abnormalities. Discuss the fact that he must be embarrassed to have not been able to find a good tattoo artist, and had to settle for the hacks that marred up his body with inferior works. Natalie should treat this as part of her game strategy and not react as she would in the real world. Playing the victim in this house doesn't work. BB doesn't interfere unless there is physical danger involved. They won't interfere with what would be considered harassment outside the house. The rules simply aren't the same there. She could win this battle. Outsmart him.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 3:56 pm
For money.
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