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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 12:21 pm
For the love of God NO CHICKEN GEORGE! He should have been booted the first week of Allstars!
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Glitterae
Member
08-02-2005
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 1:03 pm
Rosem and others....The WHOLE premise of "Big Brother" is loosely based on George Orwell's "1984" Meaning YES Big Brother is supposed to manipulate and try to contol you!! Yes, even up to the last minute...to see if you can be manipulated or stand with your own convictions and not waiver.....no matter how many times they try to fill your head with other scenarios. If you are to change that aspect of the game.....then it is NOT "Big Brother" anymore. I guess you could just call it "Houseguests Gone Wild"...lol Anyway my point is that this is what Big Brother is supposed to do...contain, manipulate, and control until the houseguest breaks or doesn't...They have "free will" and no one holds a gun to thier heads...It's just who is strong enough to endure. So really the WHOLE game is an endurance contest!!! This isn't even my opinion it is a FACT about what the game is!!
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 1:16 pm
I just watched Joshy's after interview over at welovebigbrother, and guess what? He did his BB audition interview wearing only his underwear, a cowboy hat, and cowboy boots. (It immediately reminded about Bbnine's earlier post about casting)
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 1:32 pm
The political slant on casting sounds interesting. Of course they'll be banned from discussing politics lol.
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Fredi
Member
04-01-2008
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 1:38 pm
I don't think the original cowboy inference was about Josh <55>. Glitterae. You are very correct in your assessment of what the show is based on. Many do not realize or except the part Big Brother has to play to be true to Orwell's conception. If the show was not based on that then they would have named it something else. I hope your insite clears these matters up once and for all. Thank You.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 1:43 pm
Fred, I took the original cowboy post to be about someone who knows someone who may get on BB10. That's why I thought it a funny coincidence the story I just heard Joshy tell about his own audition for BB9.
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Jeneane
Member
05-18-2005
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 2:13 pm
Well if BB is going to be involved, which I am not saying is good or bad, and it is based on the book premise then don't try to cover it up Play it up and make it an addition to the show. It may play better than the stupid twists they keep trying.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 2:15 pm
Scoot...I can take a leave of absence from my job, and was ready to do so in 2001. Except they changed the show to focus more on sex, so I guess I would not have fit into their 'vision'. LOL! But, there are stay at home moms and dads, teachers who get the summer off, and I'm sure there are others out there like me that can get a leave from their jobs if they really wanted to. I just don't buy that argument, especially after seeing the BB Australia cast. Diversity all around! Wilsonatmd posted this link is the BB AU thread: http://www.behindbigbrother.com/ Waaaa, why can't we have THAT??
Oh, and Glitterae and Fredi, as I've said before, I KNOW what BB and 1984 is about. My issue with the producers is that as a PAYING customer, I want to be IN ON the manipulation of the HG. I feel like they're leaving us out of the fun, and thereby manipulating US! I don't like it.

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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 2:20 pm
Oh, and another thought on the Orwell book and supposedly staying true to 1984: There was NO slop or food comps, NO games for luxuries, and NO HOH or VETO competitions! I don't even think there was a diary room in the book. So I don't actually think they are trying to remain true to that story.
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Fredi
Member
04-01-2008
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 2:21 pm
As long as the public doesn't get to vote I'm ok with CBS and how the show stands now. If the public voted everybody contraversal would be out right away. That is what happened in BB1 and why it was changed. Nobody wants total boredom.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 2:25 pm
Oh, I don't care to vote either, Fredi. The voting to give James the $25,000 was a joke - only East Coast people were able to vote, and even then, some folks had problems getting through! They can continue to vote each other out, as they copied that from Survivor, but I still want to be privy to DR sessions and competitions online. I hate that BB blocks the internet whenever they feel like it. (and yes, I know that you must agree to it in order to get the feeds...still...I don't like it )
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Fredi
Member
04-01-2008
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 2:27 pm
Lots of us are quite happy with the James vote. I guess it depends on who one is rooting for. It's all good for me.
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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 3:03 pm
I agree with almost everything in that article (except the cameras in the shower thing....please keep the cameras out!) And you have a great point, Gritterae....what bugs me is if they made that aspect (the Orwell Big Brother) of the show more transparent, I think it would be a better show. I would love to see them in the diary room, mixing truth and lies. I would love them playing each of them against the other and putting doubts in their head. I think it could be real entertaining. In fact, they could have some guest "Big Brothers" to attempt to manipulate the game. Fans, former houseguests, etc. A new one every day. Maybe even their family members with their voices disguised. Would they believe what they tell them? It would be fun to see. I think with doing this the casting may matter less. Normal people in abnormal situations are interesting. Would the houseguests bond with each other and tell all? Or would they pick and choose what they believe and share and what they don't? And we'd get to see which wanna-be actors really have acting chops....can they make the others believe something other than the truth? And even mix up the weeks...no guarantee that they get to pick who leaves every week. Maybe they pick, maybe America picks. Maybe a random TVCH member who has watched every show picks! They should honor a houseguest a week...and be told that it is America's Choice for whatever reason is deemed interesting at the moment. And once again, throw in a few true America's Choice. For example, if they would have said the "Sheila you came in second" to an America's Choice earlier in the game, can you imagine how that would change Sheila's gameplay? She would have changed and the others would have changed in response to her. All interesing. The eye on hamsters in a cage. In fact, that's another thing. Have a sociologist come and set up an experiment and see if they prove it. The options are endless.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 3:15 pm
Yesitsme, I love your ideas! Maybe YOU could produce the show. It just kills me that this could be so much better, but the producers want to keep everything a secret from us. I would still watch the show, even knowing who won a comp. With all the time and energy they spend setting up the competitions, its a darn shame that we only get to see a couple of minutes of it on the show. And...we know who won as soon as the feeds come back! Makes no sense.
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2boysrule
Member
03-25-2008
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 3:21 pm
As long as the public doesn't get to vote I'm ok with CBS and how the show stands now. If the public voted everybody contraversal would be out right away. That is what happened in BB1 and why it was changed. Nobody wants total boredom. --------------------------------------- I agree Fredi. I really enjoyed this season. Each season the hg grow on me.....but this is the first year I had the live feeds so I really felt like I knew the hg....Sharon & Ryan were boring but the others were pretty interesting, to say the least....
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 3:42 pm
BBUK is great. The house guests are called into the diary room and they have to nominate two people. They are not allowed to talk about who they nominate or they will replace a nomination. Once the two nominees are picked the public votes out one of the two. I think it is a great idea. It is different than the US because they arent allowed to strategize on on nominees, it is a complete surprise who is nominated and the HGs have no idea who nominated who and at the very end it is the viewers who decide which of the two should go.
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Tvwatcher
Member
04-17-2004
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 4:17 pm
I'm glad there is no public voting and don't think there ever will be in the U.S. however, THAT is the *true* premise of endemol's Big Brother people here are comparing Orwell's Big Brother to the tv show - but Orwell's Big Brother is not totally what was intended when endemol created THEIR version of Big Brother, so I don't think it's really a fair comparison. BB1 is the TRUE Big Brother, as endemol created. from about BB4 onwards is Big Brother as AS/AG created one barely resembles the other so if one wants to stay true to what was intended, it's BB1 that one would want
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Glitterae
Member
08-02-2005
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 4:21 pm
America voting is how they did season 1.. Rosem...I never said true to the book..I said loosely based on...but if you take away the manipulation you take away the whole concept of "Big Brother"...Again Big Bother is supposed to be watching, manipulating and controlling minds. But who has the the strongest free will to not be controlled...and of course there has to be comps and food restrictions and so on...it is also a game show for TV!...It would make no sense to be TRUE to the book but it has to stay based on the Big Brother concept or it's NOT Big Brother! And why does it matter idf we see the DR's...we do know what is going on in there just not word for word...I guess if it bothered me so much I wouldn't buy the feeds.
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Tvwatcher
Member
04-17-2004
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 4:33 pm
here's a description of the original concept - there's also a promo video that I found enjoyable http://www.endemol.com/Main%20business%20areas/default.aspx?fID=7103&prID=1
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 4:36 pm
I found this an interesting take on Big Brother. I'm not sure I agree with all the suggestions on how to improve it, but I thought it was worth sharing. if this has already been posted, my apologies: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24343903/
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 4:55 pm
Fill the house with lawyers and engineers. I promise it would be hysterical, and all about the game.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 4:57 pm
Tv, I like that original concept description. I really like how they start off those three paragraphs with the words "YOU Know...". Yes, we are supposed to KNOW, that's what we pay for. And that's what annoys me about it, I'm a voyeur, and they are depriving me of my voyeurism with false promises (24/7 live feed!). I may try to get the BB Australia feeds. They have stuck to the original concept, like all the other countries who have BB, and they are hugely successful.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 6:51 pm
I think the biggest problem with our BB is that they only have to fill up 3 hours of "produced" TV content every week, and they can barely fit the meager interesting happenings into that, so there is no need to do anything to make it more interesting. Plus, they seem to be more fond of re-capping than new content. Foreign BBs are on almost every day, and sometimes twice a day, so they keep their houseguests quite busy. Chores, punishments, challenges. You almost can't keep up with it all, even if it's just the TV shows you watch without the feeds. (You can't count BBAD because that's just unaltered feeds. It's not an edited produced type of show.) Anyway, my point is that their only concern is to have something for those 3 hours of network tv a week, nothing else.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 6:57 pm
78 more days!
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Stopthemadness
Member
07-15-2005
| Monday, April 28, 2008 - 7:59 pm
I always thought of us the viewers more as big brother then the DR. I wouldn't mind if the DR controlled more of the action of the game if it were more like what Yesitsme suggested. What I don't like about how the DR (producers) contro;s the game now is that they manipulate the hampsters to change their minds just to go with who they want to win. I was watching when they decieded to evict Sharon over Nat, Ryan went into the DR and came out ready to vote out Nat. I also saw them decied to evict Sheila, Adam went to the DR and came out with the idea that it would be better to get rid of Sharon. That is what I don't like about them controlling the game. I wish we could vote, all the public voting to count as one additional vote on evection night.
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