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Caycaye
Member
09-14-2001
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 4:27 pm
I TOTALLY AGREE Skylar..... Natalie only "judged" anyone AFTER they were horrible to her....<76> she has NEVER behaved towards anyone like Josh, James and Chelsea have behaved towards other HGs on more than one occasion.... She has every right to answer them back in kind, and she chose the "high road" but that doesn't mean she cannot point out their hypocricy.
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Napa1526
Member
07-14-2007
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 5:03 pm
You are right, she has every right to point out things said and done to her; but does she have the right to call them evil and that they don't have Christ in their lives but she does. She doesn't know what they have in their hearts. The difference in what is being done is, some of the other HG's DON'T claim to be Christian, and Team Christ so in that respect they are not being hypocrital. I do not dislike Natalie, I just don't like when people preach and act holier than thou and then turn around and act the total opposite of what they preach. That is what turned me off with Jameka last season.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 5:16 pm
I agree, Cay. I don't know a single person who could have pickle juice thrown in their face, be called numerous vulgar names, etc. and not have anything to say about it. She handled it amazingly (better than I would have) and remains friendly with them to this day. I honestly do not think James or Josh either one mind being called the "evil doers." For some reason, I think they would actually laugh about the controversy it has caused and think they really did play like ED. And Ryan was the one who named their group Team Christ as we saw on Sunday's show. They all liked it b/c they all believe in Him as Adam explained in his DR session.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 5:25 pm
You know, every season, there is some poor sod who pulls the god card (or christian card) and it (mostly) doesn't go over very well with peeps inside and outside the house. You'd think they'd learn by now. Natalie preaches what she does not practice.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 5:33 pm
Nat has spoken about being bullied in school. I think it was mostly defending her mother. She seems to retreat as I said before into her world of painting. When Chelsia was going off, BB showed her talking to herself quietly and painting. They all judge each other in the house and we do the same here if not worse and we sure as h-ll know a lot more about what is going on than they do.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 5:41 pm
I agree, Csnog and it does seem like Natalie retreated to her bible through all the Chelsia stuff too. This week, not so much. I still think she found comfort in that she at least has God's love. Ironically, we seem to be talking about it way more than her...lol. Oh well. Like Cay says...I love Natalie, faults and all.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 5:49 pm
Her best response would have been to take the high road. Instead she labeled the other team evil doers annd her team Christ. It was actually Ryan who named them Team Christ. Bible Buddies and all that. But Natalie didn't give that name. As for the high road...I do think she's taken it many times. She certainly could have gone toe to toe with Chelsia, but instead went to another room or a distant corner and simply let Chelsia go on with her tirades. Natalie did this on more than one occasion. Had she screamed back, called names back, destroyed things back, hidden things back, etc etc I might find grounds to agree. But to me, taking the high ground is walking away...which is exactly what she did.
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 5:49 pm
Csnog Getting picked on in school traumatises you! I know. Thats why I said awhile back that I thought she probably had been picked on, because when you get ridiculed so often sometimes it makes you try to hard to be liked and its sad
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Caycaye
Member
09-14-2001
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 5:55 pm
Natalie's behavior is.......just NATALIE!!!! And I love her for it! (No one is perfect, except GOD!! THAT is in the Bible too! LOL!)
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Victoryrm
Member
09-20-2007
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:01 pm
Yes yes, she did take the high road, especially with Matty. LoL
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:05 pm
She sure did...even when he was just awful to her, she still managed to take the high road. I'm so happy to see you agree with me! wheeeeeee I love it!
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:07 pm
Nat deserves someone to love her. She will make someone a happy, wonderful, funny mate. She just needs to step back and let it happen. Guys like Mat will also get their justice. Need I say more?
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Cheekychops
Member
08-12-2005
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:09 pm
Who could possibly judge someone who has love in her heart for others and for God? She has spread His word in that house more than anyone else. She speaks His word almost daily. I believe that she has given others (Sheila and Adam) inspiration and guidance through the Bible. I love her for that. Bee, I support your thoughts about Natalie taking the high road. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Jushvnfn
Member
07-29-2006
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:12 pm
Nat's like a Timex....She takes a licking and keeps on ticking....LOL I remember at her age thinking I knew sooo much. At my age now, I wish I knew half of what I thought I knew. Point being, she still has a lot to learn. I hope no one ever breaks her great spirit!
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:13 pm
Cheeky. I just don't take too much offense to Natalie. She's a pretty decent gal overall...and who among us hasn't made mistakes? Hasn't said things that are somewhat contrary to our beliefs? Such is life. You live...and you learn. I see Natalie as a learner. And I guess I will continue to defend her ...
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:14 pm
Jus...we were posting at the same time about the learning. GMTA!
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Jushvnfn
Member
07-29-2006
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:21 pm
Like the saying goes...there are no atheists in fox holes! Anyone catch what James said the other night? Nat said, "I'm done with lying." James responded, "Thank God"
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Countrydaze
Member
11-07-2003
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:22 pm
Of all the people in the house, I think that Nat is the most genuine and kindhearted and I personally hope that she wins.
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Jushvnfn
Member
07-29-2006
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:24 pm
Can't resist....lol 
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:26 pm
Jus
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:31 pm
Nat is a little ray of sunshine, I just love her
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 10:17 am
It was actually Ryan who named them Team Christ I agree - good catch. He definitely was the first one to say it ( I was watching on Live Feeds) but Natalie First talked about Jesus and how he failed them, she didnt pray hard enough and how Ryan should have come pray with her before the comp. Something like that. Ryan did come up with it right after Nat talked about team Jesus. But I'm not sure if I've heard him refer to their group that way himself. MInd you, I dont watch feeds as closely as I've done other years. LOL Walking around iwth headphones on outside so I dont miss anything good!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 11:44 am
whoa, I just learned something new. I decided to do some searching since there was a debate as to Bible verses and Nat's Behaviour. Guess I should ahve looked this up before cause on first reading the definition of Fornicate is sexual contact/relations between unmarried people. But, upon digging much deeper I see that the Origin of the word from 1300 is strictly "having sex with a prostitute!" 'Forni' relates to the arches that Hookers would hang out under. Now if that one word is misquoted from the original ancient texts, it changes the tone of MANY Bible verses. it would be interesting to know what the real word is in the ancient text and how the experts decided upon the english word fornicate. History is sure fascinating and the origins of words has always interested me.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 3:46 pm
Someone up above said Nat didn't judge Josh for being gay. She certainly did. I heard her say Josh will never get into heaven because he is gay. That kind of judging drives me up a wall!!! It's really a pet peeve of mine since I worked w/many gay people who thought God hated them because they were gay and some went as far as considering suicide and some have actually done it. They figure as long as God hates them anyway, there's no reason to live. Most of these folks came from really conservative religious up-bringings. I spent many years studying the bible, the exegesis - meaning, the time it was written and the customs of the day and the language scripture was written in. Our modern-day translations are the result of the person(s) who decided was the best translation. One only needs to see how many different translations there are to see my point. Many people hold gay people to what is written in Leviticus yet disregard all that is written which could apply to most of us. They say that doesn't apply anymore since Jesus came and died for our sins. So according to them, gay people should be put to death because of Leviticus yet the fact they eat shell fish, pork, talk back to parents, etc., etc., doesn't apply anymore. Sorry, I can't go by that. Also above someone posted, "Go and sin no more." Well, that doesn't "seem" to apply to those who would judge gay people, but does apply to gay people. They just keep saying they're sorry, but continue to repeat what they know is wrong. I don't have a problem w/Nat's behavior IF she didn't pull out the bible verses and apply them to others, but not herself. When she does that, she is holding herself up to a higher standard than one who perhaps has a "quiet faith" and has not brought the bible and Christ into the BB games. Action for action, others have been more cruel and disgusting at times. I'll give Nat that. However, the others are not holding themselves up as being super Christians. They simply state they are. I might find something really awful any one of them have done, including Natalie, but it's only the quoting of scripture and talking about Christ within the context of the BB game that I can't stand year after year. It's all about walking the talk. Jason of BB3 was the only person I can recall in BB who truly walked the talk and yet, he never preached at anyone either. Natalie has a good heart. Just stop using the bible and Christ in your game Nat, and you can do whatever you want and I'll have no problem with you. 
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 6:06 pm
Watching, I actually agree 100% with your next to the last statement. ETA: I don't agree about the good heart though. I think she is a lot more calculating that many believe.
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