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Grendelsmom
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07-31-2005

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 1:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grendelsmom a private message Print Post    
It seems the best explanation for that is it didn't really happen that way. I suspect you're right, that Adam is playing them.

Toolhound
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06-22-2007

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 3:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Toolhound a private message Print Post    
I have defended Big Brother many times over the years that they do not interfere with the outcome of the game. I take it all back because this was very plain to see from the moment they called Nat to the DR. Then to call Adam in early and not let him out before doing the nominations was just sick.

I think James is playing a great game but for Big Brother to do this was unfair. The Veto game today will probably be who can pedal a bicycle the longest while wearing panties.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 3:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
The DR probably did manipulate Adam. I’m sure that they knew it would be boring for the viewers to see another week of predictable nom's.

Hopefully Adam has given the others a swift kick in the butt with these nom's.

Last week the Veto comp was so pathetic.

These people knew they were safe even if James one the veto.

They are running out of pawns and now it is do or die.

If they throw the veto comp or just not try very hard and James wins he can save Sharon and one of them is a goner.

Sheila and Ryan have been sitting back letting Nat and Adam do all the hard work.

Time to earn your spots guys.

Hooters
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08-26-2006

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 4:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hooters a private message Print Post    
So what if BB did make suggestions to Adam, he didn't have to act on them. I believe they suggested to James that he should think about keeping Matt, that it made for an interesting story line, and apparently they mentioned it to Matt also, because they talked about it. The difference, James did his own thing, while Adam chose to listen. I'm personally glad he did, like Caprica said, time for Sheila & Ryan to earn their spots.

Marmosquirm
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09-10-2003

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 4:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marmosquirm a private message Print Post    
I agree with those of you who think Adam is playing them. I think he's a lot smarter than he lets on. Now is the time the HG's have to start thinking about the F2 and getting jury votes. If Adam aligns with James they could possibly get to the F2 and I'm not sure that Adam wouldn't beat James. If James does go soon then Adam's setting up a possible jury vote from James since he wasn't the one to evict him. And by getting TC to believe BB "made" him nominate who he did he ensures there'll be no fallout from them for not putting up James. I think it was the smartest move for him to keep James and see what happens.

As far as BB interfering, of course they do! They want to create a certain storyline and they'll do whatever they can to make it happen but ultimately every HG has a mind of their own (well, most of them do! ) and doesn't have to do what BB tells them to do.

Cheekychops
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08-12-2005

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 4:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cheekychops a private message Print Post    
Here is a link from Odd and Stupid website regarding this theory:
http://www.oddandstupid.com/BB9/bb9_rigged_more_then_normal.htm

Kittyab
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07-16-2005

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 5:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I would think since Season 6 they were bad for trying to manipulate the game (talking obvious). I know Drew said in Season 5, that the DR told him if he took Diane to the end she would win the $$$.

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 6:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
Okay now Sharon says God put that in Adams head for a reason?? YEA OKAY

Mama2oliviamae
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08-16-2006

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 6:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mama2oliviamae a private message Print Post    
I think a lot of things are lost in translation. I often will see conversations on the LF and then see the HG repeat them in the DR or to another HG and depending on which "side" they're on, the story will change, important details will be left out, etc.

With Drew from S5, perhaps the DR asked him to consider the possibility that Diane would win the money if at F2 with him. And Drew maybe repeated it that way to justify his actions. I'm not saying this as fact, only speculating.

That's what I think has happened here. Ryan & Natalie, having a case of sour grapes, called foul on DR. Maybe they don't want to realize that Adam is playing HIS OWN HOH and is securing his own spot and jury votes if he gets to F2.

Adam, second guessing his nominations & upon seeing how upset the rest of TC was with him; also called foul on DR in order to keep his alliance with them just in case James does go this week.

Natalie said last night during the feeds that "if the game is rigged, it'd better be rigged towards me" or something to that effect. This is a perfect example of hypocritical behavior. She was yelling foul all night long but would be ok if the game was rigged toward her?

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 6:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
The whole premis of BB is that they control the HGs. They mess with them and put thoughts into their heads. Of course they try to create doubt in their minds, it's what they are supposed to do. They take what you think you know and then place doubt in your mind, so you think you really don't know what you thought you did. How much fun would it be to watch one group totally dominate the whole game? It isn't rigged, it's how BB works.

Acat
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03-03-2008

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 6:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Acat a private message Print Post    
well I agree with Sun...

If The DR "made" Adam make those noms they would have blocked the feeds with flames - I think Adam is exaggerating for the sake of his alliance. Good move on his part.

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 6:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
"I think Adam is exaggerating for the sake of his alliance."

I agree Adam is not a stupid man. He is totally playing this up. It's not like BB put a gun to his head and said you have to nominate these people.

Neeta
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04-01-2008

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 6:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Neeta a private message Print Post    
<55> This is a made for TV reality series.NOT a game show. THese people are PAID to perform and get ratings for the network.OF course BB has to direct them!

Neeta
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04-01-2008

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 6:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Neeta a private message Print Post    
However at night on showtime you can tell some of it is not constructed by bb..The HG try to whisper and give hand signals to each other.I actually turned it off-Im sick of hearing the same ol stuff being said.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 6:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
While I do not think the DR forced Adam to nominate certain people (or NOT nominate certain people), I cannot help but remember that these people are kind of fragile by this point in the game. I am sure they are HEAVILY influenced by any outside source they come across (ie DR). So if the DR pushes or tries to convince a HG of something, I think that HG follows much more easily than if the DR tried to convince a person not in the house. Or even that same HG if that HG were not in this closed off situation, making them so much more fragile and susceptible to suggestion...

Naja
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06-28-2003

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 6:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Last night about 20 minutes before BBAD ended, Nat says "only 20 more minutes", and someone said back "for what?". Then BB cut to another room really quick before she could answer.

In my mind I could here her answer as "Only 20 more minutes we have to put on this charade for showtime"...LOL

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 7:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Every year, when a HG does something that an outsider thinks is a stupid choice, or a HG that someone doesn't like appears to be able to stay in the houser, someone cries foul. Every year. Same story, different time.

First of all, I believe what Kaysar said. It's nmot manipulation. It's just bouncing ideas off, playing devil's advocate. But it's still the HG's decision as to what to do.

Secondly, even if there WAS manipulation, what's the big deal? You get upset because YOUR favorite player may be going home? Or the HGs get upset because their friend is nominated? (I actually agree with the sour grapes/CYA theory, btw.)

It's a game. The only "rules" are those in the book the HGs occasionally refer to. If you don't like the game, then don't watch. Easy breezy...

Every year. Same thing. There is no conspiracy. There is no favorite player. If there was, there wouldn't be a season that lasts 3 months. It'd be three weeks, and everyone would be kicked out by a panel of judges, that does not include the public, except for the "producer's favorite."

Redpen
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07-24-2003

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 7:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redpen a private message Print Post    
I would bet money that James will win the POV. My godson knows a staffer on BB. Since Allison took primary control, she has picked her favorite for the season before it starts and all the competitions are selected accordingly. She tried twice to get Janie to win (why there were 4 (!!!!) players from her season on AS); she selected ED to win (remember how ED and Dani had dinner at her house before the season?); and this year we have James.

Obviously, production cannot engineer the outcome to guarantee the eventual winner, but they influence as much as possible. If James doesn't win BB9, it will be because AG couldn't control the HGs as much as she wanted.

Govols
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07-19-2005

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 7:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Govols a private message Print Post    
Dick and Dani had dinner at AG' house before the season????
Wow!

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
After checking out the overnights from Morty's and Odd and Stupid, it appears Ryan left the HOH room of his own accord during the flamage.

It's been mentioned more than once here that if TVCH viewer becomes unhappy with the turn of events in the house against their favorite (or group of), they cry foul. I don't have a favorite or group of them this year, so that would NOT the reason for this thread. Until recently I disliked them all equally! I'm genuinely interested in what others think about the blatant proof after so many years of speculation regarding subtle manipulation by the behind-the-scenes crew.

I'm satisfied in the knowledge that most folks think they strive to keep the more controversial players in the game for as long as possible. This, of course, makes for the best TV (remember Erika/Boogie or Jun/Alison final 2? Watching paint dry was more fascinating.)

In the end, it was Adam's decision to make. Personally, I think it has the potential to be the biggest blockhead move in BB history as far as the detriment to his team. But he certainly livened things up and lit a fire under every person in that house to re-energize their game play. It also got their blood pumping and the tempers flying which made for fascinating LF watching last night. Mission Accomplished.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
Can you say....."Howie".

Cheekychops
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08-12-2005

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 8:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cheekychops a private message Print Post    
Well Allison Grodner and the producers can do what they want because BB is not a game show according to the FCC. They see it as entertainment program. BB is a pseudo-contest where the outcome is fully or in part, predetermined.

I am sure that the cast have some sort of understanding of this before they go into that house. That is probably what attracts most of the people who have taken part in this show. Yeah, they are doing it for the chance to maybe win some cash but most do it for exposure. Most of them are involved in some aspect of showbusiness - past or present.

I just wish AG and the producers wouldn't make it look so obvious. I also wish they'd pick someone who was deserving and played with the thinking of "good guys finish last" and/or "its not whether you win or lose but how you play the game" for a change. Anoyone harrassing, bullying and throwing beverages at others shouldn't be considered a good player.

Bbnine
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02-16-2008

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbnine a private message Print Post    
This conversation last night proves it .... DR cheated Adam

adam was saying the DR tricked him to not put james up - allen

by asking him over and over whats best for you do whats best for you,, ryan pointed out to adam that if james wins and uses veto to take sharon down that they will control the vote and one of them will go home. ryan saying you got the james CON big time he will break his word and use the veto if he wins it, and sheila wont vote for you
anymore,

adam says he was telling bb to let him out of the room so he could go talk NT
Adam says they (DR) would not let him talk about his decision and that he had a bad feling about it. NT


It is really sad that they screwed Adam over like this ..... they should have let him out of the DR..

This makes me think the DR told James to go and USE Adam's vulnerablity for the TEARS..... then they made sure to call Ryan and Nat out of DR......

this is what James told sharon last night at HT:

james told sharon "I'm not gonna use the veto on you.

shame on you AG/BB/DR ...couldn't let them play there own game could you....

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I'm amused that none of you think Adam can think for himself. Why is that?

Tvwatcher
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04-17-2004

Friday, April 04, 2008 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvwatcher a private message Print Post    
I want to ask why AG would pick James, but when I ask myself who *I* would pick, there isn't a single one of them I would choose for the win. LOL