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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 7:31 pm
Earlier today, there was a confrontation in HOH between James/Adam/Ryan/Natalie. Ryan was in the middle of a tangent, we went to flames. When we returned, Ryan was gone to DR. Shortly thereafter, Nat was on a rant to James and she got called to the DR (BB forgot to flame this!). James/Adam had the opportunity to make a deal without outside interference at which time BB called Adam to DR. They kept him there until all the houseguests were locked out for the nomination ceremony. Adam has made a couple of statements since the POV about the DR making him weigh the pros/cons of his nominations. He told Ryan the DR kept him in there and wouldn't let him leave. In past seasons we've had lots of speculation about the behind the scenes interference in favor of Janelle or Evil Dick or whoever the popular player is. We've not seen proof because BB always stops them from talking or goes to flames. Apparently today we had a novice camera person who wasn't fast enough on the trigger more than once. What say you?
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 7:39 pm
Please don't take this as "baiting" but I don't agree that James in the "popular" player. In fact, I think he's one of the most UNPOPULAR players (and I heart James). Now I'll move onto my points: 1. I didn't watch the live feeds but is it possible that we went to flames when Ryan was called into DR because of someone on another camera? Like singing or whatever else they get yelled at for? 2. It is not unusual for them to call HG into the DR one right after another. 3. It's the DR's job to weigh the pros/cons of his noms. They will likely show Adam vaselating (sp?) on the TV show. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to ask him to weigh in on anything. 4. It could possibly be Ryan's imagination due to sour grapes thinking that they wouldn't "let him leave"? Even last year, when I was an avid "hater" of Evel, I didn't think the game was rigged towards him. The only (and biggest) unfair advantage he had was Danielle and it was the HG's less than best game play to not kick one of those two out way eariler in the game.

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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 7:42 pm
The YouTubes depicting these events are posted in the YouTubes Thread.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 7:42 pm
Adam said the DR wouldn't let him leave. I was a huge ED fan and I admitted TPTB wanted him to stay in the game at all costs. I'm pretty sure there was behind the scenes play there to keep him in. I freely admitted that in the only season it mattered at all to me who actually won. This year I don't have a favorite. I like James well enough, although I think he's played a very arrogant burning-bridges type of game. I've NEVER seen BB pull anyone out of a highly charged strategy confrontation in the middle of it before to come to DR.
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Ark
Member
07-10-2001
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 7:43 pm
I hope no one's bubble was burst by this revelation but it you didn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that BB has always directed the outcome of this game to go the way they want it to go. I have no doubt that Chelsia's ouster was supported and perhaps led by BB. I think they'd like a Nat/James F2 and will do all they can to get it.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 7:45 pm
The DR is partly there to mess with the HGs heads and create dissension and excitement. That is why they are called Big Brother. However, they can't make any of the HGs do anything (as seen many times over the years).
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 7:46 pm
Hopefully, I won't have to eat crow with my points (lol) and call me cynical if you want but I don't believe that they are rigging anything. I think it's a case of sour grapes on TC's behalf.
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 7:57 pm
I posted this in the current feed thread, but someone asked me to repost it here: A few things are clear. Adam got double-teamed by the producers and James and taken to school. He made a really dumb move. It is also crystal clear there is no super-secret final 2 alliance between Sheila and Adam. I give even odds this blows up in Adam's face and the net result is it is much worse off for his game. He bought the nonsense from James about wanting a chance to compete and have a competitive POV. That serves James purpose. The DR supported this, because this is going to be a what will you give up POV, and for them if everyone is in it to win it, it will make for much better tv. Not to mention they can save their favorite son James. The problem with all this fairness and the rest, and wanting everyone to compete hard for the POV (why has Adam not been competing hard for the POV?), is that it is likely to cost Adam the game. If this backfires against his (former) alliance, he loses votes that he needed to win. On top of that, he will be a prime target next week. James has never kept his word to anyone in the house, so he easily could use the POV if he won, and he could easily put up Adam next week if he won HOH. Congrats to the producers and James for orchestrating this attack on Adam and pushing him into a very poor decision. His alternative would have been to put up Sharon and James, James goes home, he is in the strongest alliance in the house with a rose-petal path to the final 3 and potentially the final 2. No way it goes now is his path going to be easier to get to the final 2 than it was if he just did what he needed to do. It was a huge mistake.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 8:01 pm
But it was still Adam's mistake. What could the DR have said that could have convinced him to make this kind of decision?
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 8:10 pm
Wow. I am always so interested in the different perspectives we all take on the same situation. lol Marks, I see you point - I really do. I just don't agree. I'm with Jimmer - what could the DR have said to "make" Adam not nominate James? I believe Adam did not nominate James because he's smarter than people think. I hope that Adam is looking ahead to the next couple of weeks & he realizes that pretty soon, TC is going to fall apart (they'll have to when it's nothing but TC int he house). If James DOES stay in the house through this and next week, he's going to need SOME kind of ally outside of TC. All of that plus, if Adam makes it to F2, he can say that he gave James a fair chance in his first HOH (by not backdooring him) and didn't nominate him the second time. He's hoping for a jury vote from James. And he knows if James is willing to give him a vote then probably Josh and Chelsia will too. Sorry but I think that it's much deeper than BB/AG "manipulating" the game. I think it's excellent strategy.
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Needmylifeback
Member
08-14-2000
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 8:17 pm
Well if Wednesday night is a double eviction night .. look for the subsequent HOH and VETO comp to be something that James is good at ... like laying in bed ... or .. well never mind...
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 8:37 pm
I don't think it's so much what the DR said to Adam as what they did. They knew he would waffle if they let him spend any time with Nat/Ryan. Once he made the decision THEY wanted him to (by pulling Ryan and then Nat from the Summit) they kept him away from them in the DR til time for the ceremony. Brilliant!
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 8:39 pm
I don't like any of the guests. I think it was a stupid move for Adam to not nominate James. It's gonna come back on him. But at the same time, Adam is a grown man. Even if the DR wouldn't let him out to talk to others, they didn't manipulate his mouth to say "I nominate Sheila and Sharon".
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Goldie
Member
04-01-2008
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 8:44 pm
Do they all get to play for POV?
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Steeltoe
Member
05-19-2007
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 9:06 pm
<77> Really makes me mad, they need to stop with all of their suggestions and let the houseguest make their own minds up as to what should be done.
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Steeltoe
Member
05-19-2007
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 9:15 pm
Natalie is pissed she thinks that they are trying to keep James in the house. They = the producers. She feels that it is not fair and they should have given her time to talk to Adam before nominations...
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Jamesdiego
Member
03-25-2008
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 9:21 pm
Just a thought all of you.... This is BIG BROTHER... and Big Brother can do what BIG BROTHER wants... that is the whole premise of BB... you are watched and told what to do.. and how to do it IT PART OF THE Scenario of what BB is..... for the life of me i have red to tqo years now that the producers are interfering... well that is what it is all about.... NO FREEDOM OF WILL =BB
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 9:38 pm
Kaysar explained it the best. A HG goes into the DR. The DR asks them about the current house situation and about the HG's plans to affect it. The HG tells them their thoughts and plans. The DR then asks why they did this or that and asks if they would do this or that what might be the outcome and offers several different scenarios and asks the HG what they would do in each situation. As Kaysar put it, the DR is playing "devil's advocate" and if the HG then changes their plans based upon the conversation in the DR, then maybe they are weak willed and probably shouldn't win the game. He didn't think it was "manipulation," he thought it allowed the HG a chance to see things in a different way, but ultimately he felt that the HG should "go with their gut." Ultimately, no matter what the DR people talk about, it is up to the HG to make their own decisions.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:02 pm
The truth is that none of us here know what is said in the dr. For all we know, a hg could become a favorite of one of the staff and be fed info. Or a staff member could keep a hg in the dr questioning them until it is time for noms. Of course a hg could be easily swayed to do whatever the last person wanted.
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Alliet
Member
07-11-2005
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:03 pm
The DR not allowing Adam ANY time to talk to his alliance (so unpredictable - NOT) after the whole James begging/crying spate and the DR coercion emphasized that they did NOT want Adam's mind swayed by the logic of his own alliance. This has cost him the game if he's up against James in F2 because not even his 'alliance' will give him the money now.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:10 pm
I think that is what disturbs me, Alliet. The complete manipulation to control the outcome of the nominations by removing Nat/Ryan from the HOH confrontation, followed by the refusal to allow Adam to leave the DR and speak to his alliance before noms. I don't give two beans what they actually said to him when he was in there. It's more the actual physical control that bugs me.
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Afitchguy22
Member
07-13-2007
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:27 pm
Since when has BB given them Alcohol before a comp? I think they want to get Ryan/Nat/Shelia/Adam hung over before the comp.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:31 pm
and no one here thinks Adam is making sure that the target and bad feelings are OFF his back and Focused directly onto BigBrother AKA the Diary Room?? smart move. ryan and Nat are going right along with the Inference and actually feeling SORRY for Adam since he was 'talked into' Sharon and Sheila. ROTFLMAO adam is playing a good game. He needed to win this week to ensure James or Sharon didnt get it. BUT, he also had to appear bumbling and unsure which would make Adam seem less threatening. IF Adam seemed like a brilliant Powerhouse of a guy, He'd be next gunned for when James was gone.
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Aerojunki
Member
06-30-2004
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:33 pm
Adam just said a little bit ago that Ryan should of stayed up there with him & Nat said he was just so upset..So it sounds like he (Ryan) left on his own & was not called to the DR. Ryan, Nat & Shelia were giving him hell about even thinking about keeping James..Adam knew very well how they felt before he went into the DR. Adam was called into the DR because he is HOH and they were getting ready for noms..BB isn't going to stop and let him run out to talk to them again. BB sets up all the competitions long before the guest even come into the house. This stuff starts every year when people have someone in the house they hate winning..BB sets them up!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:49 pm
what I dont understand is why the Camera continues thru rant after rant when Nat and Ryan claim the Diary Room interfered with Adam's mind. any other time the FLAMES blast us....but nat has been making cutsy but angry comments all night and I've not noticed lots of flames. but....havent watched much. Most if recorded and I'm catching up now.
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