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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 11:37 pm
Good post watching. Not only are some of those Anti=homosexual Bible verses mistranslated, their meanings are completely changed. In a number of places the Verses are talking about Men who sleep with Boys(ancient words for that) instead, the Translators just called it Homosexuals. Pedophilia is a different sin completely IMHO. *********** On the topic of Natalie, I think I would like to share some thoughts. Her mom has a mental illness. From what I understand, a stage of the development of many Mental illnesses involves a time of Intense interest in Religion. It is very possible that Natalie was raised in a Religious household with a mom who didnt have it all together.....therefore nat has a very skewed version of what is acceptable behaviour and what isnt. in other words, she has a rudimentary knowledge of it, but truly doesnt understand most, nor has it explained to her. I know closely/ personally of three mentally ill people who went thru the Intensely religious Stage. so I aint just theorizing nor giving just an opinion on that point.
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 11:43 pm
Sunshyne4u where have you been? you were missed. My mom is pretty sure she knows which Church Natalie goes to in Salem and it is the doctrine they follow..very similar to Jameka's last year only without the "out crying and arm waving" I also think Nat is a baby Christian. And misunderstands a lot of what she is reading. I've seen a lot of churches who focus on getting people saved but not teaching them the word of God. I see that as throwing someone into the lake without teaching them how to swim.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 11:44 pm
Natalie found God three years ago. She wasn't raised in a religious household at all.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 11:51 pm
She wasn't raised in a religious household at all. we dont know that. You are guessing same as I.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 11:53 pm
Hi Kale. I'd be very interested in Knowing the sect. Anglican? United? People's Church. I find it really fascinating how each has its own ideas.
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Caycaye
Member
09-14-2001
| Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 11:57 pm
I LOVE Natalie.... At least when she makes mistakes she is coming from a "good place"...she is BY FAR the kindest, gentlest of all of these HGs....Most of the controversial things she says are in retaliation for some vulgar hateful comment made to or about her....and she says stupid things trying to defend herself...but she never strikes out at people in a mean way for absolutely no reason other than jealousy or selfishness like some of the other HGs.... Natalie obviously has had a hard life, and she is not perfect by any means, but at least she has a good and loyal heart....jmho
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 12:00 am
You are guessing same as I. Not really. I heard her talking about it one night.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 12:02 am
Sunsh...just so you know, I don't typically post things like that unless I know them/have heard them. I don't speculate on what "may have been" based on their behavior. If I am offering something to the discussion, I am offering it from a place of having heard it said, not from a place of "guessing".
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 12:05 am
Sun, I'll ask my mom tomorrow, i can't remember what she said it was (remember she thinks it at the top of the hill lol) might be Church of Christ i'll ask her in the morning.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 12:28 am
I don't really doubt what Natalie said... or do I? She's fabricated other "facts", like the Seattle Seahawks cheerleader story. But, three years or a lifetime, she still has her god-given or inborn free will and she comes across as extremely judgemental to me. She loses me with her black and white, divisive good vs evildoers and of course her homophobia cuts to the core. She's rather arrogant in her religion, "me-centric" so she trolls the Bible in search of passages that debase others and glorify herself. She seems quite willing to accept her perceived forgiveness for her own actions, while failing to hand out foregiveness to others, expect perhaps Mattie. And she is not just delusional about him but she lies.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 1:10 am
If Natalie finds strength in the bible, more power to her! I'm all for people finding strength in the bible.
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 5:22 am
Often, when conversations about Natalie come up, I skip them because I find them very difficult. Which is why this may seem like an obvious questions to the people in this thread but I'll take a shot in the dark anyway: Does Natalie divide the good vs evil in terms of religon? Does she feel like James' "group" is "bad" because of religous issues or because she doesn't like/agree with their gameplay? Of course, with the exception of Sharon because clearly Sharon is very Christan. Any thoughts...? Thanks
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 6:22 am
I'll weigh in on that Mama, because I heard her tell Adam yesterday that the house is divided between the 'good' people like her and Adam, and the 'bad' people like James the Atheist! LOL! So I do think she separates good and evil by whether you believe in god or not. She's just very simple minded, IMO.
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Buddeelove
Member
08-24-2007
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 6:46 am
hmmmmmmm, Nat thinking is why folks that think to the far right, really scare me. They all seem to be really confused
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 6:49 am
I don't want to generalize, but every born again I've met behaves the same way. I live in a small Suburban Village and we are loaded with them. They only think one way, black/white, good/bad, my way/no way..they talk the talk but rarely do they walk the walk. It's like when they found religion they weren't taught the part about kindness, tolerance, and charity. They love to dress up on Sunday mornings and walk through those church doors and for that they expect to be redeemed. If I sound bitter it's because these are the kind that give organized religions a bad name. They break nearly every commandment and then stand judge over those who don't go to church and look down on them. They cherry-pick the Bible to self-serve and hypocritally live their lives based on singing a few hymns and being where a sermon is given but never really listening. Every time a house guest prays to God to help them win a prize it sickens me.
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Bubba
Member
07-29-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 6:56 am
Earthmother, I totally agree with you.
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 7:35 am
Earthmother, ITA. And I have several of the type you just described in my own family. Lucky me.
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Bombaycat
Member
07-21-2007
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 7:48 am
Amen Earthmother!
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 8:01 am
clearly Sharon is very Christan. Not meaning to turn the conversation completely, but, how is Sharon "very Christian"?
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 8:39 am
I don't think it's bitter, it's just being equally judgemental on the other side of the fence. I try not to "judge" those who are fundamentalists. Something has happened in their life that they feel the need to seek out that type of religion. Their extreme zeal, or belief that it is their way or no way, doesn't affect me. To each their own. Natalie is an interesting character. On one hand she is dividing the house by good and evil, based on her belief in the Bible, but on the other hand she flaunts her sexuality and gives bjs under the covers, to someone she is not married to. A paradox indeed.
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Zuzuinnm
Member
07-02-2007
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 8:54 am
Natalie is a child of God. Who are we to judge her relationship with God? He loves her unconditionally. She appears to me to have tremendous faith in Him. She's still learning and growing in Him, as all seekers are. I, myself, fall short everyday. But, God knows, I keep trying. 
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 8:58 am
Well I guess I'm being judgemental then..but my gay son has been the talk of the local Baptist Church for years now. My sweet son who works with many charities to help the poor and the sick, was told by an Elder at that church that he will go to hell if he continues to live his evil lifestyle...NO NOT JUDGEMENTAL....BITTER
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 9:00 am
When Natalie constantly brings up her "relationship with god" then I can comment and judge it. If she kept her faith to herself and quit the good vs bad stuff, then I wouldn't have anything to judge, now would I?
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Zuzuinnm
Member
07-02-2007
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 9:09 am
I'm sorry. I did not mean for that to sound like I was pointing fingers!! Yikes! See, I told ya'll...I fall short daily, sometimes hourly! Earth, I have a gay brother and I totally understand. He's amazing, yet is judged all the time for being gay.
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Blueyedtexan
Member
07-17-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 9:12 am
((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))) to all that have or know gay people who go through issues everyday. I don't think they deserve to be treated like that.
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