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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:38 pm
I also do not agree with twisting the Bible to fit our needs, I just don't think that Nat knows any better. OTOH, think of all the people researching the Bible because of her actions. Gods word will no return void.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:41 pm
Actually, I have an issue with this concept of GOOD people. According to the Bible doing Good works means nothing. Right this second Nat was verbally attacked by Chels due to her abortions. Nat said that has been forgiven for that years ago...in a snotty beligerant tone. Guess Nat Missed the Verses about a Soft Answer turneth away Wrath.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:42 pm
Sun I did miss that. All I can say is that we crave sin as much as an alcoholic craves alcohol. Some stay on the straight and narrow right away, some fall and have to pick themselves up over and over again.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:43 pm
Ok, that just gagged me, Sun! LOL As far as the bible goes, I used the word "fornication" because it's a word used. Perhaps I should have used "sexual impurity." Remember folks, the bible was written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and quite frankly, many words were not even "coined" in English. One example would be the word homosexual. It did not come into use until the around the 1860s. (Sorry if I have the date wrong, but I know it was long after the bible was written.)
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:44 pm
We just cannot judge.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:46 pm
Exactly, Mummy. I'm not judging Natalie. I'm just saying I don't care for her use of the bible. Natalie judged Josh's salvation. That is not her place nor any other humans. IMO
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:56 pm
I have always struggled with judging and discernment. We are to discern what is right and wrong and yet we are not to judge. Just got it. Discerment is the the actions, and judging is the person. So if a person's actions continually are sins, we can decide to remove ourselves from sinful people. That is not judgement. There is only one judge, and our discernment can be accurate, but God knows the heart.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 12:36 am
Regarding Natalie and her behaviour in the house. As per the judging. Corinthians 1-5 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter to have no company with sexual sinners; 5:10 yet not at all meaning with the sexual sinners of this world, or with the covetous and extortioners, or with idolaters; for then you would have to leave the world. 5:11 But as it is, I wrote to you not to associate with anyone who is called a brother who is a sexual sinner, or covetous, or an idolater, or a slanderer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner. Don't even eat with such a person. 5:12 For what have I to do with also judging those who are outside? Don't you judge those who are within? 5:13 But those who are outside, God judges. from what I've understood, a person makes a judgement of whether they want to be in a certain situation and they judge whether they want to join in. SNIP this chapter is dealing with judging blatant sin among Christians. And I do mean "blatant" (offensively conspicuous). We should be careful not to judge too quickly the motives of other Christians for it's easy to be wrong about things which can only be inferred, but if sin is blatant and measurable, it should be dealt with. This is unpopular and seldom practiced in modern "feel-good" Christianity. Christians will allow the lawlessness of other Christians to continue on unchecked. More commonly if you rebuke another Christian for sin, they will consider that itself to be sin. They may even gather other Christians together to accuse you of unChristlike behavior, simply because you rebuked someone for sin. YIKES it looks like I'm lecturing but I'm just trying to share my searches. Christians ARE supposed to judge...but ONLY other Christians }}
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 12:45 am
I always had some problems with Paul's letters in places. Jesus said judge not lest yee be judged. Of course, Peter and Paul disagreed on many things. Some things never change, eh? ;)
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 1:25 am
exactly....judge not lest ye be judged IN the same manner. And I have no problem being judged in the same manner as I know I havent done what Natalie has. anyways, I feel kinda bad for her tonight. Now that she knows the entire house knew about her Mattie BJs LOL
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:22 am
Sun I have 5 Bible translations infront of me right now. Which one are you quoting from?
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:36 am
Also, if we are only to judge other christians, who are we do judge who a christian is? Only God knows. I have meet many people who claim to be christians, that I would not 'judge' to be chirstians. Therefore I do not judge.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:46 am
I think I deleted my hx?? sorry Mum. I just grabbed a Bible quotation Website. The Corinthian quote seems to be the Standard? Not sure what version it is. Which of your five Bibles matched up? *** I completely understand what you mean. when you say How do we judge who a christian is, I assume you mean strangers. Nat has declared herself a Christian, as has a few other BB cast thru the years. Therefore, by that Self declaration we can assume they 'are' Christian or at least trying. But yes, in real life it is impossible to really know who is and isnt. Heck, I know of a lady who goes to Church cause she likes the singing. Smokes tons of pot too LOL my point? even belonging to a church doesnt neccessarily mean you 'are' a saved Christian as per doctrine.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 6:35 am
To be a saved Christian you don't ever need to enter a church. Why would you need (could be one of the biggest sinners of all) Minister intrepting the Bible for you. Your closet at home can be your church and your discussions only need to be between you and your maker.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 7:14 am
Nat went down in my eyes a lot last night from reading the sniping between her and Chels...and I feel sad for her because she's into Matt so much it's wrecked her game (I wouldn't be surprised, if Chels goes Wednesday, that she tries to jigger it so she "sacrifices" herself next week so she can get to sequester with Matt and Chels because she thinks she should "protect" Matt from Chels...)...
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Hooters
Member
08-26-2006
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 7:38 am
Wilson, I was thinking the same thing as I was catching up on all that went on last night, then I did read that she told Adam to put her up, she's ready to go. I believe it's nothing more than jealousy. I know that Matt kept insisting to her that they were just friends, but by letting her "service" him over & over, he led her to believe otherwise.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 7:41 am
Adam won't do that Hoot (He needs to get rid of Chels just because of the alliance numbers; he'd be stupid to put Nat up)- she might try next week however...
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 9:17 am
Nat went down in my eyes a lot last night from reading the sniping between her and Chels Chelsia attacked Natalie in a vicious and cruel manner last night.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 9:24 am
true- but what about "turning the other cheek"? (Matthew 5:38-42 and Luke 6:27-31).
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Sandra
Member
07-06-2004
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 9:25 am
Wilsonatmd, did you watch the clips? The fight? Nat tried to hide from Chelsia. What made her go down in your eyes? What did she do? Forgive I don't have the live feeds but I can't find a thing where Nat did something wrong?
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 9:35 am
I admit I haven't seen the clips yet (I'm at work), but Nat is letting Chels get to her, especially with the Matt card. I thought she was made of stronger stuff than that..
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 9:42 am
Wilson...Natalie tried. She tried to go into HOH. She tried to hide upstairs. She tried to go into the boat room. Chelsia chased her down. Turn the other cheek? Yeah...and Chelsia will slap that other cheek even harder.
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Kadaisy03
Member
02-17-2008
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 9:50 am
Edit: I think I misread somebody's post, but I'll leave the first paragraph here anyway, because if I delete it, it will mess up my flow lol. (Natalie didn't go to Adam last night, and tell him to put her up. She was talking with Sheila, saying that she didn't like the people there, and she just didn't want to deal with Chelsia, and after Chelsia- Josh and James. She felt like she and Sheila are always targeted, so she would rather be in sequester where somebody likes her and is nice to her. She also said that Matt would never do Chelsia because she's fat. So, I took all that as her being frustrated, and fed up. People have said they wanted out before. Sheila has, Danielle from last season did... I don't think it was an act to save Matt from Chelsia or anything. Just frustration speaking.) As far as judging goes, I personally try to follow the -do not judge at all- message conveyed in the new testament. That means Christians and non-Christians alike. I have no idea what other people have been through. I don't know their histories, their feelings, their impulses, ANYTHING that motivates them. Some people struggle more with certain issues of morality than others. I struggle with being as nice and as postive as Natalie, but I don't have her issues with sexuality. It's pretty effortless. So I'm a "bad" Christian too, if we're going to measure it this way. I personally admire Natalie's effort in making God an active part of her life and trying to do the right thing. I also think that all things in the Big Brother house are exxagerated- people's good sides and bad sides, and religion too. To sum it up: I like Natalie :D
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 10:21 am
LOL...I just read a quote from a book by Janet Evanovich which applies to Natalie. "God is too busy to micro-manage". I was laughing so hard at myself for being able to find passages in my book that apply to BB!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 10:39 am
I love Nat and I think she handled herself well. There was all kinds of ways she could have handled Chelsea and she choose to remain calm. Yes, she said some mean things but nothing compared to the vile things Chelsea said or wanted to do! Chel is such a pretty girl, looks are so deceiving
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