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Bbnine
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02-16-2008

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 7:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbnine a private message Print Post    
I AGREE with you shop ...

there is a james LOVE thread

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
LOL - People can "love" James in this thread as well if they want to.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The other thing that I think viewers sometimes forget is the emotional moments of the game. Natalie and James were in a great competition for HOH and perhaps James was sincere at the time he told her that she and Matt were safe.

There is a difference (IMO) between telling a deliberate lie (like Matt was proposing doing at the same time) and James making an emotional statement and then later changing his mind about it.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
Well, I'm not sure what I think about James anymore but he did sort of honour his promise when he didn't put up Nat and Matt in his initial nominations.

What I don't get at all is why Matt deliberately threw a comp that sounds as if it might have been tailor-made for him. If he really trusted James not to put him up after the veto he's not playing smart. I also think Matt is seriously deluded about the amount of control he has over this game. Not that he's the only one with that attitude, lol.

Emm119
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07-12-2005

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Emm119 a private message Print Post    
I agree with shop. I was being a smart a** when I wrote from my soap box. I don't think anyone can play this game without lying. I don't like James for the words that he threw at everyone at the nomination meeting...it was like he wanted everyone to think he could play the game without ever going back on his word...which he proved that couldn't do...and he did it within the same week.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Kmjm...that was definately Matt's biggest mistake in the game. He didn't win POV because he felt over confident. He was trying to make the others think he wasn't all that strong. Bad move. If he had won POV, he wouldn't be leaving.

I think all this has gone to James' head. The coming back, the HOH win. He is playing well, albeit in a cruel manner. But it seems whoever gets power forgets that that power may not last beyond Wednesday night.

Of course, if one of his minions wins...he'll be sitting mighty pretty and will most likely win the entire game.

Bbnine
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02-16-2008

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbnine a private message Print Post    
James tells Chelsia to get into a big blow out fight with Sheila right before the HOH comp so that Sheila will be rattled

Yeah...But of course this is how James wins ... by tearing others down..... don't call that a true winner.

James says he thinks he is the first homeless reality star
this is getting old! we are on to you James!

James and Chelsia laughing about Matt crying on national television, James calls him a pu##y. what are YOU going to do if Nat wins and puts up you and Chel.... How are YOU going to react when you get bk drd again? jmo

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Bbnine...James has 4 people playing for him. Himself, Chelsia, Josh and Sharon. Any one of them would use POV on him.I almost believe if it's him and Chelsia on the block she'd use it on him instead of herself, he's got her so committed to him.
I think he's sitting pretty, even though I, personally, am not all that happy about that.

Bbnine
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02-16-2008

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbnine a private message Print Post    
Bee, of course he does .... he is pulling all there strings, and they don't even realize that they J/C/J/S are all his puppets .....They all think he is the "BB god" ...he has sucked them all in like "Cappy" did on BB6 haha!!!

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 10:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
oh I don't see a similarity between James and Cappy... please elaborate

Emm119
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07-12-2005

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Emm119 a private message Print Post    
I think maybe James may be a bit surprised when it comes to Josh though...I don't think he has him right where he thinks he does....does that make sense?

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 10:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I have been watching James carefully this week because I have never known anyone like him and the main reason I enjoy BB so much is the study of human nature it allows. I get to watch and try to analyze types of people I would never come in contact with in my real life and it fascinates me.

James is a highly intelligent person. This is evidenced by his being chosen to attend a high level school as it's first "charity" case. He was chosen to go to that school because of his intelligence and was funded for many years there. He was the "poor kid" that was friends with all the rich kids, according to him, and it was his smarts that got him there and kept him there. He left the school when he was a 16 or 17 because he was tired of the suits, no TV and the fact that the studies had taken a road he wasn't interested in (latin, advanced mathematics, etc)

He has strong powers of persuasion and a great ability to control the people around him to do what he wants them to do.

But here is the thing I am seeing in James. He does not seem to have ethics or morality. Those character traits don't seem to matter to him. He seems to think nothing of using someone's religion against them, using someone's past mistakes against them. He seems to take pleasure in being cruel and breaking down the "soul" of someone he doesn't like.

He has convinced Chelsia to put her hand to the bible and lie for him. He won't be doing that, because as he points out, nobody would believe him if he did that. But if she does it (for him) they will believe her and it will put him in the position he wants to be in.

It is hard for me, personally, not to judge someone negatively who is willing to go to that level. But it is fascinating to watch.

There are people in this world who do not see things as I do insofar as honor, dignity and honesty go. Yes, this is a "game"...but James' intensity when it comes to degrading the others, building a false trust with the others and purposefully trying to set up a situation in which the core beliefs of those he dislikes will be used to "kick them to the curb" and crush them completely is unlike anything I've ever seen. It is tough to watch, for me, because it is hard for me to believe that someone can be so cold.

Now, having said all that, it is thier own fault. They brought James back. Why they would ever do that is beyond me. Even if they thought it was Allison in the box, the entire house would have been against her and she would not have lasted more than a week...two if she had won HOH.

James seems to me to have a deep sense of entitlement, perhaps because of his youth, where it seems he was given a valued place in society because of his intelligence and charm. I believe this sense of entitlement was boosted by him being able to return to the game. He is now out for vengence at any cost...but really, his vengence is misguided. He has a personal vendetta against Matt, and that's fine. Matt will be leaving by James' hand this week. Such is the game.

But James will continue to use God and all that is held highly in each HGs life against them and will have no qualms about doing so.

It is a fascinating thing to watch someone who is without any real conviction in their lives use the convictions of others against them.

Cokegirl
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03-08-2004

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cokegirl a private message Print Post    
Emm119 yes it makes sense but I don't see it that way. I think if James, Chelsia, Josh are f3 that James is sitting pretty good because I believe either Josh or Chelsia will take James to F2. I think James needs to worry about Sharon more than Josh.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 11:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Geez, Beekind. I sure wish you were against Dick last year. You write so eloquently, I could have used your help, lol.

You are absolutely correct about James. It seems the help he was given couldn't change the person he is at his core. There's something missing in him...I can't quite put my finger on it yet. He's seems damaged in some way.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
Beek, is it the false swearing on the bible that is your main concern about James? Because if you're not religious, then that wouldn't mean much at all to you. The Bible would just be the same as any old book. Might as well swear on a dictionary.

I do actually agree with a lot of your analysis about James. I didn't know about him being admitted as a "charity case" to that elite school. That's a great opportunity, but also could give him a big chip on his shoulder against the rich kids he was in school with, plus a sense that he is entitled to what they have. He certainly seems to come from a troubled family and he displays a lot of immaturity and poor judgement. I have always thought that James was highly intelligent and that is what I find appealing about him. I've said it before, but in a lot of ways he reminds me of Will Kirby, but Will has more social graces and the polish that comes from a more advantaged upbringing. He doesn't have dumb tattoos, he removes them. But that cold clarity of intelligent rationality is similar in both.

James is, however, a very young person and he is playing BB. I do see him at times be really sweetly affectionate with Chelsea despite their more disgusting moments and he doesn't pressure her for more sex than she is willing to give. I don't think we can be entirely sure what his moral values might be on the outside, despite what he says, half of which is likely BS. I have some optimism that he could turn out OK in the end. He's smart enough to learn, like Will has, that in the real world you have to curb your behaviour and not tell lies or you end up looking like a big jerk. (And even Will forgets this at times, lol!)

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Km...James will not be swearing on the bible. He has convinced Chelsia to do that. If James did it, it would be meaningless, obviously. It is James that comes up with the techniques to crush the others, to use their weakest points against them. And yet, he is not the one to do it...he is telling the others to do it and they are doing it for him.
As I said, he has a great ability to persuade others to do his bidding. That is what will probably garner him the win in this game.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 11:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Well said, Kmjm. We've only seen James in the house, and he's playing a GAME. The rules have been set by BB that pretty much anything goes except physical attacks. Everyone in the house is playing the game to win, and James is playing within the rules to achieve that. I don't think his morals, within the game, are relevant to who he is outside the game. If we wanted a game of morals we'd have given up on BB many seasons ago.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 11:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I think that James is a lot like Will too, and I agree that he is a lot...hmmm....what's the right term? Coarser? perhaps? in his methods.

But he's playing against a different breed of person too. These "kids" don't seem to have the same level of civility that the earlier generation BB players have. They seemed to have lost the restraints that are taught against immoral behavior and maintaining at least a minimum sense of propriety. His methods seem to work because that is the type of person he is trying to manipulate. I don't know if he would be as effective against an older cast, but then again he has shown an amazing ability to be chameleon-like and change with the feelings of the house. I know one thing for sure -- he was caught napping (ALOT) last week and I doubt he will let that happen again. He may not make it to the end but it certainly will not be because he was not paying attention.

Come to think of it this would make him a PERFECT Survivor castmate...LOL!

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Interestingly, Chelsia has said she will have her toes crossed and asked America not to hate her.

So, obviously, she is going against her own beliefs to do this for James.

As I said, he has amazing powers of persuasion. Imagine the good he could really do with his charm if he meant what he said about biking for peace, etc.

I don't believe he means that in light of the way he's spoken of it.
It's really just a mission for him to be able to party his way thru life on other people's generosity. He has said that many times. He just wraps it up in what he thinks will sound good to those he comes across. His little pamphlet says: James is biking around the world to spread a message of peace and prosperity.
Uh...no...James is biking around the world to party for free on the backs of those who buy his rhetoric.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 11:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Yes, propriety is the perfect word, Roxip. They just don't feel the same way we (most of us) do about excessive nudity, coarse behaviour, talking about abortions, etc. It's not morals, it's just a different code of behaviour, equally valid.

Oaktree
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03-16-2008

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oaktree a private message Print Post    
I don't think he has "amazing powers of persuasion". He's <24> on a bike. That's it.

Oaktree
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03-16-2008

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oaktree a private message Print Post    
James is nothing like Will at all <24>.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Oak...if he can manage to bullshit his way across this country on a bike, he obviously has amazing powers of persuasion.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Bee, I don't think we can say what his motives are for doing the biking. I kind of believe him when he says that's why he's doing it. I think he's naive and immature to think like that, as he's not actually doing any good to anyone, but it's typical "hippy" kind of young adult talk, where they think they are more significant than they actually are.