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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 9:21 am
Hypocracy really does rankle. I remember discussing it with my minister many years ago - I had asked why there are so many hypocrites at church. He said - "What better place for them? God works in mysterious ways and eventually something may sink in." It does make a strange kind of sense. Most of the nastiest people I have ever met I have met in church. Earthmother, I can relate to your story about your gay son because a very good friend of mine who is gay was fired from his job as a church organist for being gay. He was very talented, but there were a bunch of people on the vestry who wanted to make the church "more family oriented." (Note - I am an Episcopalian and it is supposed to be OK to be gay at our church.) Disgusting. I have not stepped foot in that church since.
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 9:26 am
Yes, I was told that I was going to die at judgment day because I married outside my childhood church. I've been completely disowned by my entire family, and all of the people that I thought were my friends, for that choice. They walk past me on the street and look right through me, like they don't know me. Yes, my immediate family, too. I choose to let them be that way and I can't bring myself to bitterness, really more it pity that they are missing out on my wonderful children. Life is wonderful and what they say doesn't matter!
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 9:32 am
Webchiq, you're right, it doesn't matter what they say. If they disowned you for marrying for love, then they are the ones who are acting bitter. And I don't get the 'die at judgement day' thing? Supposedly if you are at 'judgement day', aren't you already dead? 
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 10:16 am
That church didn't believe that you were already dead on that day. I see them as fearful of anything different than themselves or anyone who makes choices outside of their realm of comfort. It is really sad for them! Back to Natalie, to me, she doesn't seem like one of those fundamentalists, she seems more like she picks up what she hears and speaks it back out like it's her own truth but I don't know if she really believes those things, deep down inside. Because it's so incongruous, I feel like she is just repeating what she's heard in church.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 10:25 am
I don't tend to get bothered by peoples religious beliefs. Over the top radical makes me roll my eyes sometimes. My parents had me in high school in a very small town and were disowned by their church. I was raised to have a good moral compass and to believe how I wish. I tend to be judgemental when it comes to the morals one chooses to display or live by, I try to keep it to myself but it clouds my opinion. Natalie definitely clouds my opinion. The one thing that confuses me about her is this, I can't decide if I find her hypocritical and this is really her or if the religion thing is a TV act and she is not sharp enough to really pull it all off.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 10:31 am
That could be true Stacey, but unfortunately then there are a lot of born again Christians who are not sharp enough to pull it off.
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Bubba
Member
07-29-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:09 am
If God was really against homosexauls, don't you think he would have mentioned it in the Ten Commanments? It seems to be a bigger issue with so called Christans than with God.
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Carochar
Member
07-25-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:14 am
It seems to me that Natalie will do ANYTHING to fit in and be liked. The people whom she perceives to be "bad" haven't really accepted her so she finds anything she can to tear them down. The "good" people make her feel liked for who she is. It's this neediness for constant approval that worries me about her.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:19 am
The Bible doesn't speak against homosexuals...it speaks against some homosexual activities, it also speaks against some heterosexual activities....so it is the activity or action that is spoken against, not the person.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:25 am
exactly Boberg, which is why I have a problem with the BIBLE junkies who cherry pick the word to fit their own agendas, while professing to be the good people. Persecution of others is not Christian and if you think it is then obviously you are only talking the talk. I have only respect for those who walk the walk.
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:25 am
It never ceases to amaze me how we have a thread about Nats Behaviour in the house and I dont see one about Chelsea and how her and James act in the house! Did no one see them even last night? <76> And Bible reading Sharon who eggs on Josh's behaviour towards the other girls! Hello!!!!!
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:29 am
I hear ya Seattlemom!
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Upstate
Member
02-11-2007
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:35 am
I agree %100 too. Seems our society is much more accepting Chelsia and her behavior. She never seems to miss an opertunity to cut someone down. IMO sharon could NEVER of been able to take Joshie's rants the way Nat has. And Sharon is well aware of that too. <76> but I do like her. wouldn't want to be in a house 24/7 with her. The only hg I think I could be with for any length of time is Ryan.
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Mysti
Member
09-28-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:49 am
Seattlemom ITA ~ I don't get it either.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 12:18 pm
I think it's the hypocrisy that's the problem. People don't like it when people claim to be one thing and act like another. With Chelsia she doesn't claim to be anything other than what she is. (And there is a thread about Chelsia and more than one about James.)
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 12:20 pm
Kitt...Chelsia has huge double standards...<76>
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 12:29 pm
Very true, but not in the same holier than thou way. Just in a normal warped-sense-of-reality-houseguest way!
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Amykat
Member
07-24-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 12:55 pm
Reading thru this thread, I keep thinking, "It's the BEHAVIOR not the PERSON!!" Thank you Boberg for stating that! God may not have stated it in the Ten Commandments, but He did list it elsewhere as an abomination. We had this same discussion last year. I guess I am a "so called Christian" and I consider homosexuality a sin. I AM NOT against the PERSON. My DD has two wonderful young gay men as friends. I welcome them with open arms into my home. They know I love them dearly. They also know how I feel. It doesn't bother either of us, as they know I am not their Judge in life. I may have OPINIONS as to their lifestyle, but they know how I feel about THEM. As I said before, I consider homosexuality a sin. That DOES NOT in any way, shape, form or fashion mean that I think gay people are going to Hell, for no other reason than that they are gay. If I believed that way, there would be no way for me to get to Heaven, as, like Zuzu said, I sin on a daily, even hourly basis. Sin is sin. The Bible gives no weighted difference to the sin of murder or the sin of telling a lie. I believe the Bible to be the infallible Word of God. The Bible says the only sin not forgiven in rejection of His Son. EM, I am so sorry your son was treated that way at church. It still amazes me how that can happen. I go to a very conservative Baptist church. One would think we would check people at the door almost! LOL! Instead, we have an incredible pastor that truly has a heart for God and welcomes everyone and only wants them to know God and His Son and to learn to walk daily with Them. As for Natalie, I would love to have two weeks with her...show her a different take on what she is reading. I do not agree with her dividing the people into the good and the bad based on their beliefs. I know some, just...incredible people who have no interest whatsoever in God and I know some really, really bad acting Christians. I'm sure we all do! I think Webchiq said it very well: she seems more like she picks up what she hears and speaks it back out like it's her own truth but I don't know if she really believes those things, deep down inside. There is a very fine line between opinion on behaviour and judging. I think most of what we do here, talking about the HGs is opinion. That is why we have rules and are moderated when we get to posting about a HG in a personal way, (to me, that crosses the line into judging). Sometimes that line gets a little blurred. That's one of the reasons I don't like the word "tolerance". I always get a chuckle when I'm told I HAVE TO BE tolerant. Irony, much?
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Bubba
Member
07-29-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 1:31 pm
"The Bible gives no weighted difference to the sin of murder or the sin of telling a lie." A life for a life, is kinda weighted.
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 1:59 pm
Amykat, VERY well spoken. I totally agree. Also, someone mentioned either here or in another thread, that the bible talks more on heterosexual sin than it does on homosexual sin, and that is very true. And very telling, to those who judge.
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Amykat
Member
07-24-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 2:02 pm
It is to you and me, Bubba, but God puts no difference in the sin itself. We look at sins differently than He does. That's why you don't go to jail for telling a lie to a person on the street, but you kill that person, you do. For Him, a sin is a sin, no matter what the sin. One is just as grievous as the other.
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Amykat
Member
07-24-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 2:15 pm
Thanks Carrie! Yes, it does...and quite clearly.
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Amykat
Member
07-24-2005
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 2:19 pm
I shouldn't say we look at sins differently. I should say we look at things in life differently. To most people, telling a little white lie is no big deal. Murder is a different story!
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 3:10 pm
I like Natalie. She has done some odd things in the house(many I do not agree with) but I respect her beliefs however odd they be. The Book of Leviticus puts homosexual acts in the same catagory as eating pork or shell fish.
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Lyn
Member
08-07-2002
| Friday, March 21, 2008 - 3:11 pm
The Book of Leviticus puts homosexual acts in the same catagory as eating pork or shell fish. What?
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