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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:47 pm
I haven't watched the YouTubes, but it is my understanding they are there for all to see. Also, one or more of our members "witnessed" one or more and there was a LFP which captured the first one as delicately as possible. LOL
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:54 pm
Beek, he could see the covers moving, it was pretty obvious to me. I know he had his back to them for the majority of it, but at the end he and Matt looked at each other and sort of mentally high fived each other.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 2:58 pm
FWIW - I think there is a misconception that some of us do not like Natalie at all because of her bible intrepretation and how she uses her faith, etc. When I first posted that she was driving me crazy with what she was doing, I made no reference to how much I liked or disliked her, only that her actions "in this particular manner" were driving me batty. I was not juding her as being nice, mean, certainly not worse than others, only how I felt about her use of the bible and religion in the house. PERIOD.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 3:00 pm
Yeah, Bic. I know. I was just saying that no one, not even us, has actually "watched".
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 3:03 pm
No, thank goodness. I guess BB draws the line at showing the actual act, or we would have seen a lot more of Chelsia/James. I'm sorry that Nat made the decision to give Matt that gift. My initial impression of her was that she had very little self-esteem. I still think that. But she has a huge ego. If she would take the God stuff out of her game play, I might even become a fan. She loses points for denying the bj thing. Own it girl, it's not like all your housemates won't know the truth when they get out of the house.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 3:14 pm
its her yabbering on and on about stupid stuff that irks me. She can be as hypocritical as she wants. it doesnt affect me at all. However, when I see her judging the other HGs and claiming they are jealous of her because of her Big Boobs and relationship with mattie...Gadzooks, She really irks me LOL I witnessed feeds last night. I have two of the She/Nat Bed talk to watch but I never saw Chels go over any line nor threaten nat. Nat learned a lot last night. That everyone knew about her BJs. That matt fiddled around with more than just Sharon, he groped Chels as well. Nat learned that Ryan and Baller will boot her out of the HOH room, go outside for a smoke and make her to handle her own problems. We shall see if any of this information changeshow nat plays the game. This truly IS a pivotal week
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 3:15 pm
Well after seeing the clips, I take back what I said earlier- Chels went way, WAY over the line here...I'm now actually surprised Nat didn't slug Chels.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 3:23 pm
Actually I recall seeing a YouTube of what I think was the first BJ..it went on for a VERY long time, and Mattie was just horrid to her afterwards. This was early on in the game. As I said last nite, I was sorry to hear Nat lie so earnestly to Sheila about it. And Sheila was trusting her and thinking Ryan lied to her. I don't see the need for that, esp since the truth will def come out when they leave the house. I didn't see why Nat didn't just own up to it w/Sheila. But seems with this group if a lie will work they'll choose that over any truth. Sad but true. And Carrie...TYVM!
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Llkoolaid
Member
08-01-2001
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 3:30 pm
Wilson, there is a line in that house, wow, I haven't seen one this year, I think they put it outside the gates.
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Wavewatcher
Member
09-09-2006
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 3:38 pm
I was just wondering...is a BJ a criminal offense in the US? I know some people figured it would get a president impeached (the denying part ) but I am wondering...so maybe it is the denying part?? hmmmm

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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 3:50 pm
Well obviously it isn't a criminal offense or Clinton/Lewinski would have been prosecuted! Since it isn't a criminal offense, and it was performed in front of millions of watchers on live feeds, I see no reason not to OWN it and tell it like it is. If one was hiding in the bathroom doing it, that would be different. But when it occurs in a multiple bed bedroom with others presumably sleeping (but how could you be sure?) right next to you.... it's public.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 4:52 pm
Wilson...I am so glad to see your post after watching the YouTubes. Thank you for coming back and posting about it.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 5:05 pm
But I'm sure anyone who watches youtubes realizes that it is just bits n pieces of what happens. Often there is an hour or two or stuff all around the "incidents" in which the lines are blurred as to whom is the innocent party.
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Lizzie58
Member
03-22-2008
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 5:59 pm
I almost think Nat is acting like she is heading for a nervous break down ..seriously I do hope BB's shrink has spoken to her. This can't be her game play right?
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Dee
Member
08-08-2000
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 6:48 pm
I looked at some of the videos of Matt & Nat under the sheets at Youtube and wonder if Matt ever returned the favor or was Nat doing all of the giving?
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 6:57 pm
Dee, that's it what I don't get! Why o why would a woman not demand the treatment back? Me and my sisters don't roll that way, lol.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 7:02 pm
If it's any consolation, he did say he fingered her. I think she got a little one night because she whispered to him that it had been so long.
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Hooters
Member
08-26-2006
| Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 8:14 pm
What a guy...don't you all wish we had one just like him?????? ;)
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 11:44 pm
She proudly told Adam and Ryan (as she sat in her red underwear on the bed yesterday that there was some "body kissing". Guess that is one way to spin it.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Monday, March 24, 2008 - 8:45 am
Natalie seems to be a very insecure person who doesn't know how to differentiate between positive and negative attention. If I had to guess, I would say Natalie didn't believe she could win Matt over by just being who she is, so she used other means. I personally found it very sad. I wonder if Natalie is deep down embarrassed by the way Matt treated her, so she tries to make others think there was more to it than there really was so as not to look completely foolish. I know it's not working, but still. Just an idea. IMHO, Natalie has been picked on/made fun of pretty bad by some of the other houseguests causing her to go into defense mode and point out what is good about her. Sadly, her faith seems to be her only come back (like that's okay b/c God loves me). Maybe that is the only thing Natalie is truly confident about, so she clings to it? At any rate, I really don't believe Natalie thinks she is better than anyone else. In fact, I think the opposite. Natalie has so much more to offer than her body and I hope after the show she realizes that no man is worth sacrificing her dignity. JMO.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 6:18 am
Sun, if Natalie really thought it was okay to do what she did with Matt, why wouldn't she just own up to it??? I've never heard her say it's okay. I've also never heard her say it's okay to strip. In fact, I heard her very adamantly say she didn't feel right about it, so she stopped. She did what she felt she needed to do to go to art school and hasn't gone back since. Natalie may very well have a "weak grasp" on Christianity, but I still say kudos for believing and making an effort to learn through her bible. And I really hope her Pastor and/or a seasoned Christian does take the time to work with Natalie, help her learn from her mistakes (instead of judging her for them), and to grow in her faith. I really wish Natalie would have kept her faith to herself in this game. IMHO, she seems to be held to a higher standard than everyone else b/c of it. This is perhaps why I was taught to keep religion talk to a minimum.
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Sidecar
Member
07-23-2007
| Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 6:33 am
I will give Natalie a "pass" on the religion talk as I will give all the houseguests a bit of leeway on some of the off the wall behavior they are exhibiting. I think that the nature of their circumstance warrants the extreme behavior and tends to magnify certain personality traits. For Natalie, its evident she has used religion and the bible as her comfort in the past. In the house, with no TV, no other books or magazines, no pastor or congregation to guide her, she is left to her own devices and interpretation on the bible and religion. As far as her lying about Mattie and her relationship, I dont really see anything nefarious in her responses either. She is no doubt embarrassed and hurt that her attempts to create a bond with him didnt bring the desired results. What purpose would it serve for her to openly admit she was taken for a fool?
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 6:37 am
Is there a youtube some where of Natalie discussing her abortions???
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 6:40 am
Well put, Sidecar.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 7:26 am
I don't see why Nat should get either praise or blame for her religion. It's her personal choice, and let's not forget that there are many other religions besides Christianity, all of which, in their ideal form, are forces for good. Secular humanism is also a viable moral option. Supposedly Nat said last night that someone who doesn't follow her religion doesn't deserve to win the game. Now that bugs me. I felt sorry for Nat and was really liking her before she got into this religious obsession. Now her self-righteousness just drives me up the wall.
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