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Kitt
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09-06-2000

Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 10:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Her story was that her boobs shrank to nothing after her first abortion. So she decided she wanted implants a few years later, was booked in for the surgery and then found out she was pregnant again. She used her brother's pee for her pregnancy test so that she could go ahead with the surgery and have an abortion afterwards.

I'm not sure I entirely believe the bit about the brother's pee, because surely if they're testing for hormones it's going to show more than just that she's not pregnant - it's going to show she's male. But that's what Natalie said.

Antkaki
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07-20-2005

Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 10:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Antkaki a private message Print Post    
don't know if it affect everyone who was sexually abused that way...but in my case i could care less about attention or sex it's why i eat everything in sight most days..no attention if i'm fat! i don't think many that have been sexually abused would feel that is all they are good for...more often than not i think it would make you feel ashamed...at least in my case it did. }}


"It does affect your self worth and makes you feel as if "sex" is all you are good for, also makes you desperate for attention and a need to be loved (actually all kinds of abuse, and neglect probably have the potential to leave a person feeling this way...)"

Kswheels
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06-30-2005

Monday, March 03, 2008 - 3:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kswheels a private message Print Post    
Kitt - Minor insignificant correction, it was her boyfriend's pee.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, March 03, 2008 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Oh yes, don't know where "brother" came from! Thanks for the correction.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Monday, March 03, 2008 - 10:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
<100> Honestly, w/o stimulation, it is NOT normal for a breast to continue to be able to express milk. I have a friend who had one doctor tell it was normal (after she had stopped nursing one of her kids for quite a long time.) She went to another doctor and found she had a small tumor on her pituitary gland. As you can imagine, she was really upset. I nursed 3 kids and it takes a while to stop, but stop it does. Also, if a baby is not nursing well, it doesn't stimulate the breasts enough and the milk supply can be insufficient. She really needs to have that checked by another doctor. And yeah - why in the world would you show people who are just about strangers some of your "special tricks." Accck!

Cr8ofdata
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01-13-2004

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cr8ofdata a private message Print Post    
Girls (women) who seek male attention like she is, normally didn't have a father figure around when they were a child. And when I say that I mean one that made it known that they did not want anything to do with the child. My cousin was the same way. Any time she would be around men that would be nice to her, no matter what the age, she would take that so wrong and just hang all over them. She would hang all over my dad and he was 40 years older then her. Then when I got married she stayed over a few times and my husband was just being nice and she started hanging all over him. She started stripping, got pregnant and I don't know where she is today.

It really is a shame that Nat's self esteem is so rapped up in Matty's attention. I wish her the best, but she needs help to find her self and know that she is ok without a man to make her happy.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
At first I was thinking she was just a bit slow to catch on that he wasn't interested - which was understandable given their first few days together. Now I do agree there's something a little wrong with her emotionally that she can't leave him alone.

I wonder if BB knew and purposely paired a "player" guy with a "clingy" girl, just for "entertainment".

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 10:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Kitt, I bet they did.

Curious1
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08-31-2002

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curious1 a private message Print Post    
Antkaki...the quote you used was mine and all I was saying was that I went through a stage in my life when I was young where I did feel that all I was good for was sex and that using my body was the only way to get attention from men. I will say though that as I got older I also went through exactly what you describe and did everything I could to NOT be noticed by men and yes I ate everything in sight as a way to accomplish that. Gratefully, I learned from both stages and I guess in many ways I am more "adjusted" now. But, basically I think that sexual abuse can have many different effects on people and I was just sharing my experience and wondering if Natalie had been through something similiar. Honestly, after having more time to observe her I think she just really wants attention from Matty because she truly believed big brother when they said he was her soulmate! and I do think she craves love from a man...alot of women do...the reasons for that can be many I suppose.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
The more I learn about her, the more I wonder what the heck happened to the psych testing before casting? I really feel BB cast this group for maximum sex potential and drama - everything else be... thrown out the window... gadz she needs help, and is humilated!

Pixieduster
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09-27-2004

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 10:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pixieduster a private message Print Post    
I have an adult daughter who has schizo-affective disorder. Over the years, she's had episodes of leaking breasts. The docs diagnosed it as Galactorrhea, caused by raised levels of prolactin - a hormone related to lactation. Galactorrhea is the flow of breast milk that is NOT associated with childbirth or nursing.

She's also had a "spot" or adenoma on her pituitary gland in the past which they regulary check on to see if there's any change.

The doc believes the meds she's taking cause the breast leakage.

I don't know if Natalie is on any meds or not, but there's some remote chance she may suffer from some form mental illness (such as bipolar disorder) if there's a family history of mental illness.

My daughter is also mildly mentally retarded so she suffers from a dual diagnosis.

What's interesting is that my daughter has a neediness and continues to push things even when told "No" that we also see in Natalie. So while Natalie is obviously intelligent, demonstrating good intellectual abilities, there is some chance she's got a diagnosed or undiagnosed mental disorder.

Having said all that, I do know adults who can't take no for an answer and I would say it's simply a learned behavior rather than any mental disorder.

Curious1
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08-31-2002

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curious1 a private message Print Post    
I have a question though...from what I have read on the live feeds it seems that Matt was edited VERY well during last nights show and it didn't show how mean he can actually be to Natalie or how he may have been giving her mixed signals (at least in the beginning). What does everyone else think? Did Natalie's behavior regarding the "can't take a no" issue seem a bit more off the wall during the POV show last night because Matt got a good edit?

Kswheels
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06-30-2005

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kswheels a private message Print Post    
Curious - Yes he got a good edit, but she can't take no for an answer.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I did think Matt got a good edit. Last episode they made out like she had been pestering him for a kiss which resulted in him giving in and kissing her briefly in bed in that one clip (and then saying something like "that's all you get") and that's all it took for her to be desperate for his attention this episode. They even had Matt saying "since I kissed Natalie" like that was the only time. It really seemed like they'd told him how they were going to edit the showmance and what he should say to go along with their script.

Pixie, that's interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience. Natalie might well be taking some sort of medication that causes the milk flow. It just doesn't seem like it would be caused by anything "normal".

Steeltoe
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05-19-2007

Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Steeltoe a private message Print Post    
Last night, Natalie did not appear to be as bad as she had been before. I was even shocked to see her stand up to Mattie. I really hope that being single is only going to help her become a better player. By the way, her friends described her just the way I thought, and she is a wonderful artist. Go Natalie.

Lucymatucy
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02-28-2008

Friday, March 07, 2008 - 10:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymatucy a private message Print Post    
The paintings they had up at the coffee house where Natalie worked were really good. She kinda looks like a mermaid in these pics of her.
http://www.breaktv.com/tropic/ht2001usa/Natalie_Lynn_Cunial.htmls

Lucymatucy
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02-28-2008

Friday, March 07, 2008 - 10:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymatucy a private message Print Post    
oops.

http://www.breaktv.com/tropic/ht2001usa/Natalie_Lynn_Cunial.html

Surfgirl
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10-11-2003

Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 12:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Surfgirl a private message Print Post    
Thanks for the link Lucy!

What I found odd is the description of Nat's man of her dreams and her turn off of men.. Matt definitely fits in the turn off category!

"The man of my dreams would consist of a comical person, who
is intelligent, athletic, outgoing, and very open-minded. Ways that men
turn me off are ignorance, self-absorbed, close-minded, anal, and hateful


Stopthemadness
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07-15-2005

Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 12:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stopthemadness a private message Print Post    
Nat's behavior is caused by sniffing to much nail polish. That stuff is toxic in closed rooms, and she sniffs it all the time with her drawings.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 12:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
I caught that too Surf.

OTOH, sometimes who we love doesn't fit our dreams.

Momof3fl
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02-25-2008

Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 7:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Momof3fl a private message Print Post    
don't know if it affect everyone who was sexually abused that way...but in my case i could care less about attention or sex it's why i eat everything in sight most days..no attention if i'm fat! i don't think many that have been sexually abused would feel that is all they are good for...more often than not i think it would make you feel ashamed...at least in my case it did. }}


"It does affect your self worth and makes you feel as if "sex" is all you are good for, also makes you desperate for attention and a need to be loved (actually all kinds of abuse, and neglect probably have the potential to leave a person feeling this way...)"your so right i think thats why i been fat realy fat all my life from teens on

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Is Nat playing the game or not. Sometimes it looks like she is working someone then she turns around and becomes someone elses tool.

She talks about being a great player while behind her back they laugh at her because she is helping them more than herself.

Just watching her toot her own horn and then playing into the boys hands makes me sick.

She needs to go.ASAP

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Natalie is confusing me most of all as well. One minute she's having a conversation when she seems to understand completely what's going on, next minute she blabs it all to Matt and spoils everything. Weird.

Kadaisy03
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02-17-2008

Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 10:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kadaisy03 a private message Print Post    
Natalie confuses me so much too! I was listening to her tell Sheila how it was for her growing up, and it was just phenomenal the things she went through and how she lived her life. It kind of makes me understand why she would go into stripping, because seriously, you can get alot of money without having to slave away compared to other jobs you can get when you're younger.

But then she takes things too far, and it can get disgusting to listen to her.

But everybody has a bad side and a good side. I don't think she's despicable or a pushover or anything like that. I think that she's living life in a different way than most people decide to. I kind of feel bad that people think she's mentally ill because of this.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
cant remember where i saw this but someone said that natalie's behavior was partly due to living in the small town of salem out in the woods.
salem is atually our states capital and is the 3rd largest city in the state. it is not a boondock town even there are many in the state, salem is not one of them.