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Kizz
Member
07-26-2001
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 7:56 pm
I think what Eric might have been getting at was that if Dani didn't understand why nobody would look at her, that she might have tried (as the only one who had ANY chance to rein Dick in) getting her dad to calm the eff down.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:04 pm
Daniele has said before that she is not responsible for her father or his actions. The other HGs have tried to pin things on her. She's told them if you don't like it, do what I do... walk away. What Eric was trying to say was totally wrong. He didn't help matters at all.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:04 pm
Dani said that scene in HOH was strategy but I'm not buying it, hindsight is 20/20. I understand how people on here who don't like her would love to believe that she has no real feelings, something more to tear the young lady down. Somebody else said it up thread, Jameka and gang were accusing her of not talking to them, ha, they aren't talking to her. I have a feeling that Dick is the kind of person who could give a flying flip what we think about what kind of father he is. But, I for one believe that he is being sincere with his daughter. I would wish them the best of luck trying to mend that relationship. I also think this show is proving to be a good chance for that to happen.
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Kizz
Member
07-26-2001
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:08 pm
I get just the opposite feeling. I've said it before on other threads, I think Dani is in survival mode with Dick right now, once they are out of the house she will be looking to get far away from him again
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:09 pm
Kizz, Daniele said in her HOH blog that she knows she'll need to talk to her dad when they get out, and she's glad they are talking now.
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Kizz
Member
07-26-2001
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:17 pm
Well I hope for her sake she doesn't end up following thru on that. Speaking as someone who has some experience with this, men who are selfish enough to abandon their own children are usually only looking to later repair the damaged relationship to make themselves feel better about themselves. If Dani has made a life for herself and moved on from that uniquely hurtful rejection, good for her. She owes Dick nothing. She can make her peace and return to the life she made. Not all broken relationships need to be fixed.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:23 pm
Costacat, thank you. I adopted Dani, she doesn't know it yet, lol. And I want what is best for Dani, I just don't understand why people would want their relationship not to work.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:35 pm
This really was one of my favorite shows all season so far. That close veto was the BEST. I am not sure if it's just me, but when Danielle goes off on one her rants about taking the beating for things her dad does, she doesn't always make a lot of sense to me.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:42 pm
Well, Dick may have a foul mouth and 'to your face' attitude but he made me laugh tonight, I think he's a hoot! However, it had to end this way... at least he will have a decent way out, sacrificing himself for this daughter. Bravo to that. I liked the way Daniele went up there and confronted them... yeah, because Jameka alone with her wouldn't be good enough, she had to confront them as a group and told them a piece of her mind. Good for her. All alone against those royals up in the HOH. Hey, I'm a bit disappointed in Jen, she hasn't said a word to Daniele after their agreement to help each other out, I didn't even see her congratulate Daniele for staying in the game and she doesn't even want to try to hide her decision to vote Dick out. Yes, she planted some doubts in Jessica's mind about Dustin but that's it, she's just hoping Jessica would break the tie if Eric (just in case he is the mystery vote again), Zach and Daniele vote for Dick to stay and as HOH decides to evict Dustin. She is afraid to vote Dustin out herself. But I really don't care, Dick is happy to leave, he's done his duty and he will be leaving on Thursday. However, I am only hoping America's choice is Dustin so that the drama will continue in the house with lots of speculation as to that mystery vote.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:52 pm
they will just blame vote on Jen so it wont really matter this week
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:37 pm
Eric has no room to talk at all...all his incest talk...they have no room to talk They shouldn't be talking about this to Dani, they need to talk to Dick. Dani, just like she said, she is not Dick's mother...she can't control him. For them to put it on her...<el>
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:38 pm
OK, I just saw Eric say that the things that Dick has said have crossed the line... <77> Evidently accusing people of incest is not crossing the line....
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Kirstenk
Member
07-14-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:38 pm
I just finished watching the show. I must say I saw excellent game play by Dick and Dani. Dani speaking in the HOH about her Dad was great for her game. Dick playing to America in the DR came off totally sincere. However, Dick taking himself off the block was not good game. Hope his bad move gets him evicted but if Dustin goes that is OK too cuz he also made a boner move.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:52 pm
sorry, mods, I didn't realize what I said was not allowed. <That's fine ~77>
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Dedonjo
Member
08-20-2006
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:31 pm
After watching tonight's episode, it is clear to me that America isn't controlling Eric's vote and thus having some say in the game, CBS is totally controlling America's vote and thus Eric's, via clever and careful editing. Not so different than how I am sure they manage their hg's in the dr. The person who wins this game will be the person CBS chooses, not the person who played the game the best. AP was not for America, it was to give CBS a little more control over at least one player. Eric is not America's player, he is CBS's player. He's doing exactly what they want, for their manufactured story lines. I definitely now expect Dick and Daniele in the final 2, should I be watching at that point...will be amazed to see anyone else. Dustin will be gone on Thursday, no doubt in my mind, CBS signed, sealed, and delivered him through their portrayals, and, I wouldn't be surprised if they've been pumping him in the dr to get him to feel safe, etc... Poor sweet Dick and his poor misunderstood and victimized daughter. Gag. We the voting audience are not Big Brother, as so many people seem to think, CBS is, America is being watched and manipulated just as much as those in the house. Pretty incredible, actually. Brilliant, even, look at the ratings. Pretty much takes the fun out of it for me though, IMO...
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:05 pm
Sorry.. I left right away to take a walk to make up for not going to work out earlier and also to get some dinner.. Lurk, looks like you got your link posted. Jen.. i was talking about seasn one,when all voting was by phone for 99 cents a call.. that was the only way to vote. As for wishing I could text.. that is the only way to get in more than the 10 votes per computer/isp.. With two computers I can get 30 votes in. or 40.
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Kirstenk
Member
07-14-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:16 pm
After last week with Eric staying and if Dustin goes this week, I think I will have to agree with you Dedonjo. CBS is over manipulating this season.
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Dedonjo
Member
08-20-2006
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:21 pm
I'm still watching, and tonight I'm even voting which I've only done once or twice before...hoping I'm wrong. But, I am pretty convinced at this point, and I am betting that they get record votes tonight, whatever the outcome...
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:23 pm
I thought Dick was really funny tonight. And as for Eric getting on Daniele for not reining in her dad when he was going off: Well how about Dustin and him acting so brave when Dick was going off on Jameka? They were acting so brave they stayed outside and didn't do a thing to help Jameka. They just ripped Dick to shreds outside of his hearing range. They also didn't show the vile things Eric has said on the show either. One thing I don't get is this: Dick was very young (early 20s) with two little ones. His wife took off and he tried the best he could to take care of his kids and knew he couldn't do it. So he gives custody to his mother which seems to me to be the responsible thing to do and the best for the kids. Now why is it an unmarried mother who gives up her baby/child for adoption is doing the responsible thing which is what is best for the child? Seem like a double standard to me. Is Amber any better for being addicted to drugs and having her daughter live w/her? I don't know the whole story, it's just a "what if." Perhaps her mother did take over major responsibility for her child. None of us really know. I'm not giving Dick the father of the year award as he is now from what I've seen. The one thing I can't look down on him for his giving his mother the custody of the kids when he knew he couldn't do right by them. 
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:15 am
Sea! You did fabulous! Thanks for doing that. Kizz: I can't agree. Even when I hated my Dad, I didn't want him out of my life completely and I'd never "hope" that any child would do that. There may come a time that she'd regret not having him in her life so I do hope they go to counseling or keep talking outside of the BB house. No one ever said it was going to be easy but Dick does sincerely seem to want the best for Daniele so I hope that she doesn't just walk away from him after this.
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:22 am
And one comment on the show and the comments here: I can't agree that Eric was making excellent points. First, Daniele did give him the HOH room and tell her Dad to back off once Eric was up on the block. Second, as someone just said upstream, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Not only did he and Dustin not help when Dick was attacking Jameka and Amber, they were all guilty of not stepping in with Dick the first few weeks when he was wailing on Kail and Jen. Daniele is no more personally responsible for the man than they are and, as she said, she has more at risk in standing up to him than they do. If they couldn't do it, they can't blame her for not being able to do it. (Of course, I know the truth is that they were encouraging him to do it but, again, the double standard stands.) And, finally, Eric KNOWS Daniele had good reason to suspect him and her "attack" of him was based on legitimate suspicions. I don't expect him to admit that but I did think it was pretty low of him to use her correct suspicions against her in this situation. There was enough going on that he could have just kept quiet instead of adding to it.
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:32 am
Oh, I wanted to say that I, too, felt bad for Jessica. But I don't think her night without any sleep was doing her any favors there. She cried several times that day and I've never really seen her cry in the house before. Plus, her talk in the DR about not knowing who to put up and the way she came off as struggling just without the thought of making a decision reminded me of how I get when I've had no sleep... my brain stops functioning and it it's a huge effort to work through anything much less making decisions.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:54 am
Good point, Raen. She did seem to be floundering a bit, like she couldn't quite focus on the problem at hand. I think she did fine, though, by nominating Dustin! 
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:54 am
I'm always surprised season after season at how people complain about CBS manipulating the game. Big Brother never justed watched in Orwell's 1984; Big Brother manipulated people's lives and thoughts and defined what truth was. It's exactly what the producers are doing on the show.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:58 am
But the difference is they've essentially claimed it's all HGs. No manipulation by BB.
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Kirstenk
Member
07-14-2005
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:00 am
CBS has always used manipulation. It keeps things interesting but this year it seems they have crossed a line. If Dick stays it will be evident, especially after Eric staying. Nudging hg's is one thing but pushing them to the point that they get angry is another. I don't like it and will let them know. No....I won't bother emailing them haha.......I will not pick up the feeds next year. Money talks.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 10:49 am
I agree Rean about Eric's words to Danielle. Why didn't he just sit there with his mouth shut! Dani was basically saying "you can't blame me for what my dad does" and Eric sits there basically saying "oh yes we can and besides YOU trashed my character saying I did things I didn't do!" WAIT! He Did do them! This is what I don't like about Eric's game play at times. Just sit there, with your mouth closed please, and let Dani vent. He made himself look bad to all of us who know he was guilty of everything Dani suspected him of. And then he wonders why America is not voting the way he wants them to?
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Accalia
Member
09-07-2006
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 10:58 am
I don't have the feeds so I'm not sure if this is a correct statement or not, maybe someone can clear it up for me..... I haven't read on the transcripts or seen on the clips where BB is constantly telling the HG to NOT talk about diary sessions like they have in the past. If they are indeed not saying it as often maybe that's why the DR manipulation seem so much more this year. 
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 11:59 am
The thing about relationships between parents and children is that sometimes children do have to choose separation and it can be the best decision to make. Recently, I heard it described this way. If you know that someone has a contagious virus, you avoid that person, if you know that someone only bring emotional illness into your life, you sometimes have to avoid that person. I don't hate my parents but I do not have them in my life. It is for my protection and the protection of my children. It took a long time for me to realize that was the correct choice. I can't judge Dick and Daniele's relationship. He seems to really care about her and doesn't seem to be trying to damage her, so I hope that they do find a way to work through it all and continue a relationship at whatever level works for both of them.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 1:12 pm
Brenda, I totally agree. In fact, I think I said something about Eric's comments when it aired on the show. I think he was trying to be the big man and it failed miserably. Accalia, yes, when they start to talk about DR sessions (like when Zach, Jen, and Dick/Dani were talking about the DR trying to convince them to keep Eric last week), they are told "You are not to discuss your diary room sessions." And then we get vortex. I can't, and won't judge Dick's and Daniele's relationship. We don't know anything other than what we see in the house. He really does seem to care about her, and she does about him. So they are dysfunctional? Who isn't?
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Kizz
Member
07-26-2001
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 5:42 pm
Webchiq that is a very good analogy. And I WOULD hope that there would be a way Dick and Dani could mend their fences. I just get the feeling that this has been attempted in the past without a lot of success. And the only thing worse than the initial pain of rejection is letting your guard down and being hurt again. Dick just strikes me as the type of person who likes the idea of repairing his damaged relationship with Dani for the way it will reflect on HIM for doing it. However, he is far too opinionated and controlling to allow Dani to live her life without him letting her know how HE FEELS about decisions she makes. I'd imagine Dani feels, and rightly so, that he has forfeited his right to be in her business. And around they go. BTW this sword cuts both ways. I work in banking, and I see parents who are getting older who should be cutting off their leeches, I mean adult children, too.
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