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Citadelle
Member
07-06-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:34 pm
Zach's move wasn't smart game play, though. He's a third wheel.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:35 pm
Stacey, my problem with Zach is that he's one of those that seems highly intelligent, but has no common sense. He keeps saying how happy he will be to sit beside either Donato, while never even considering the fact he won't get there. It's mind boggling. Earlier in the game, he was pushing for one of them to go, so I just don't get his current thinking.
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:35 pm
Zach just wanted a "group" and to have friends.
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:36 pm
Well, I mean, if D/D had stuck to their word Zach would have been in danger... of course he stuck with them because they were breaking their word to E/J to keep their word to him. I do think that it probably would have been more cautious to get rid of Daniele when Zach had that chance so that there'd be no guaranteed alliances in the house at this point. However, there's no way Dick would have been on Zach's side at that point and, with Daniele gone, suddenly the others might decide it'd be better to go with Dick to the F2 because of how he's behaved. There are too many factors involved here to say that Zach's choice here was obviously wrong.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:37 pm
Where Eric/Jess went wrong this week was in not pounding it into Zach's head that THEY were in a F4 alliance with D/D and Jen had been in an alliance with Dani and she turned on Jen. They should have made Zach see what he was up against in his dreams of going to the F2 with a Donato.
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:37 pm
I really loved Eric's statements with Julie Chen. I think he hit it dead on. The Donatos are both still there because of the way America made him vote in some of the earlier evictions. Well it was a nice run while it lasted, I hope those who weren't supporters of Eric are now happy - because we now don't have a vote inside that house, and anything goes.
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Nutsy
Member
08-14-2001
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:40 pm
Obviously, those who weren't supporters of Eric are happy he's gone. If you didn't support him, you didn't like him, ergo you didn't want him to win, ergo you're happy he won't.
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Citadelle
Member
07-06-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:40 pm
I think they are OK with it, Loppes! AP got the Donatos an advantage in the final four, it's up to them to take it the rest of the way. For me, I'll miss Eric and Jess.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:40 pm
From our point of view you are right it was not a smart game play, I don't think he will get past those two. But WE are not playing the game, if you were Zach in that house, this was smart game play in his mind. I am not saying he has common sense but if you were him, no one has ever tried to latch on to the guy. He has tried many times to latch on and no one cared or took him up on it. So, to suddenly have that opportunity, this was a smart move in his eyes. I don't think he is winning the game and would be disappointed if he did, but I do think he furthered himself in the game by this deal and for Zach that was a smart move.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:41 pm
Eric did have a choice. He could have attempted the convincing tasks hard core or he could have attempted the tasks half-heartedly. He wanted to rack up completed tasks for his own gain (nothing wrong with that), so stop blaming AMERICA already.
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:42 pm
I'm not sure who you are saying that to Nutsy but I could care less who is gone. I would have said the same thing if Jameka had gone instead of Eric. I don't think Zach using the veto was a slam dunk way to get rid of both D/D. Especially because, yet again, Eric would have been stuck having to go with America's choice.
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Nutsy
Member
08-14-2001
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:45 pm
Raen - I was just discussing Loppes' 6:37pm comment above mine. hope those who weren't supporters of Eric are now happy - because we now don't have a vote inside that house, and anything goes.
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Citadelle
Member
07-06-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:45 pm
Rehtse, when he did what he wanted (Nick's eviction) people went NUTS saying he wasn't doing his job! Eric was screwed either way, I think.
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:46 pm
Ahh, ok Nutsy... just wanted to clear up that my thoughts had nothing to do with Eric. 
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:46 pm
Yes, but Eric did not know that everyone went nuts. He only knew what he saw and lived through in the house. Don't blame America (Eric), that is all I am saying.
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Nutsy
Member
08-14-2001
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:47 pm
De nada Raen. 
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Shopstomuch
Member
07-09-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:48 pm
I am not sad Eric is gone... I didn't like him and didn't care for him and if I had my way, he would have been gone weeks ago. I found him just icky personally. Also, during the POV comp I saw him being beyond aggresive shoving several of them out of the way. I always said he more than Dick really concerned me w/ his attitude and temprament.
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Tanith
Member
08-25-2006
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:50 pm
Rehste, he was ripped every time he half heartedly did a task.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:51 pm
For inside-the-house-Eric, who cares what the public thought?
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:51 pm
I agree with Citadelle on that one. Eric had learned that he had to stick with America's choice or it was going to be trouble for him since he'd have to explain his votes now that there was no way to hide from how he was voting. I don't have a problem with "blaming" America because they made their choice... but like with many voting situations not everyone votes the way the majority does. If I'm going to feel sorry for anyone because of the AP thing, it'd be Jess. She could have stood up to Eric but she also was trusting him to make decisions that would be best for both of them and that's not what he was doing. I don't blame him for keeping the alliance with her but it did end up screwing her because there was no real way for her to discover his secret "alliance" when he pretty much admitted that he knew America choosing the Donatos was going to be trouble for them.
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Citadelle
Member
07-06-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:53 pm
You don't think Eric was told by the DR that he better step it up on trying to complete the tasks? I kind of assumed he was.
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:53 pm
Eric made 40,000.00 more than those he is meeting in sequester. So, no, I do not feel sorry for him at all.
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Shopstomuch
Member
07-09-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:53 pm
I actually agree Raen, I think Jess got damaged by the America's choice thing almost worse than Eric or the ppl he got evicted.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:54 pm
Eric did have a choice. He could have attempted the convincing tasks hard core or he could have attempted the tasks half-heartedly. He wanted to rack up completed tasks for his own gain (nothing wrong with that), so stop blaming AMERICA already. Did he not have a choice about performing some tasks???
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:57 pm
Well, Rehtse, he didn't have a choice bout his votes and those were the ones that would have gotten him kicked out of the house if he kept voted opposite of the way his alliance was. In that way, he didn't have a choice but to try and make sure his alliance as voting for America's Choice. (Note: Of course, this was the way it was intended to work so Eric did make that CHOICE when to go along with it when he agreed to be AP.)
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